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T3 --- Could It Be Really Good'
Hey folks, Harry here... There's a lot of negativity about TERMINATOR 3 out there... Most of it that I've been hearing has been coming from sources I have over at Warner Brothers, but the negativity may in fact be coming from a bad draft and continued secrecy, even at the studio level.
I don't WANT to be negative on TERMINATOR 3, and frankly... of every film coming out this summer, TERMINATOR 3 has the chance to kick my ass the hardest, simply because... If Mostow miraculously saved this film with the writing help of John Brancato and Michael Ferris (the screenwriting pair behind THE GAME) well then it would blow me away. And I'd be the happiest boy in town.
You see folks, I don't really try to root against films, I'm an optimist at heart, but here at AICN, there's been a lot of negativity about this project. Tonight, I found out some stuff about just why that may have been. 1st... Warner Brothers was kept pretty far out of the loop. How? Well the film was being heavily controlled by INTERMEDIA and Mostow/Lieberman. Reportedly the shooting draft (which never leaked, due to rampant paranoia) was seen only at Warners by Alan Horn and Lorenzo DiBonaventura.
Turns out that very very few people have seen the whole film at this point. It was screened for top executives at Warner Brothers and Sony by Jonathan and the results of that screening was him being told "not to change a thing." Word was that the Execs flipped for the film. SO -- The folks that had been talking to me, prior to today, claimed they had seen the movie, but I do know that while at Warners - I wouldn't say they were the TOP BRASS, so there is a chance that they saw pieces they didn't like... or felt out of the process and decided to shit on the film, or something along those lines. There is a habit that lower execs that are not directly involved in a project, playing a project down, simply to make another project look even better... That IS a possibility.
Right now, the picture is locked. Yup, the film is done in terms of editing, way the hell in advance of its July 2nd opening date. The scoring sessions are going on, and the final effects are being delivered. The huge AMERICAN trailer is due on THE MATRIX RELOADED, will that be the one?
Apparently the biggest secret on the film thus far has been the last 20 minutes. They've kept it quiet because as Mostow, Brancato and Ferris have structured this... They didn't want you to know what was going to happen to the very last page, and they wanted those last 20 minutes to be harrowing as hell. DID THEY DO IT?
Here's the thing... I think most of us like Jonathan Mostow as a director. I know that I absolutely love BREAKDOWN, and U-571... if you move past the historical issues that the UK-ers had with the film... well, it was the last damn fine Submarine movie we had. (BELOW - while set on a Submarine is a Haunted House movie predominately in my mind) When Mostow came aboard T3, I desperately wanted him to make a good TERMINATOR movie, because... a new TERMINATOR movie was going to happen with or without James Cameron. Handing the project over to a Mostow... A director very much in the style of Cameron, just with out that... Magic Big Movie under his belt. I wanted this to be that film, and it might be.
I liked the trailer that came out before the SUPER BOWL spot, didn't care for the Super Bowl spot - and it was at and around that time that the negativity that I was hearing stepped up a notch. About a month and a half ago, it got a little worse. Has someone that I absolutely trust seen the film yet? No.
This summer is looking like it could be a great one for big geeky cool movies. It is actually very important that TERMINATOR 3 not flop... One, it would hurt Mostow's career. Two, it would cast a shadow over KING CONAN for Milius. And third... I know several producers in town, that are rooting for TERMINATOR 3 to hit (and BAD BOYS 2) because they are R - rated summer fare, and if those two... In tandem with the MATRIX RELOADED performed gigantic... Then, there would be a chance that other... tougher... meaner... and rougher projects could go forward.
Ultimately, I just want this to work. I don't want to walk out this movie with that feeling I had when I walked out of ALIEN 3 or ALIEN RESURRECTION. I don't want this to fail, I want to believe in this film. That latest trailer helped. An email I got today from someone inside the production that I am familiar with and have a degree of trust in helps... But I'm still nervous. I'd love nothing more than for my jaw to crack from the fall to the floor it could take if they did their job. That's a medical bill I want.
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yeah but the trailer still has the line "she'll be back" that was the point I decided to remain unintersted
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So is "Terminator 3" going to be rated R? I've heard rumors that they were gunning for a PG-13...
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everything I've seen and read about this movie suggests it will have a few cool moments which drown in a sea of suckiness. They should have closed the book on the terminator
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Apr 17, 2003 7:21:14 AM CDT
Quite frankly, with all the WELL DOCUMENTED CRAP in the theatres
by jettison
Hopefully it WILL be good and a reason to go back to the theatres which are so phucking dreadfull lately.
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I hope it'll be quality too but thats hard when everyone involved in the project (read recent interviews doing the rounds with Schwarznegger, Mostow and Cameron) saying it's sooooo "Ca-Ching for the money BABY yeah". Ok thats the way Hollywood works but with T3 did they have to make it look so blantantly cynically? Couldnt they have at least pretended to care about the franchise? True it could have been worse than Mostow (Paul Anderson was probably busy trashing the Resident Evil franchise at the time. Likewise James Gunn hacking Dawn of The Dead to bits) but that doesn't escape the fact that the two originals were a perfect continuation into each other and the ending a bleak yet satisfying conclusion.
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I too want this bad boy to work but when I look at the various trailers, I never get that "This-is-a-Terminator-movie" feeling. Arnold looks to old (I'm sorry to say) and it feels like a knock-off. Even T3-D at Universal in Orlando had more of a Terminator feel to it. I think T3 is going to be the biggest disappointment of the year. I hope I'm wrong.
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...too much seemed lacking (ie Cameron, Furlong, Hamilton) the TX seemd to be scraping the T barrel (OK we've done a big muscly guy, a little weedy guy, what next?) and more importantly there's some SERIOUS competition this summer. But, that trailer did it's job and now my interest is piqued. You'll all go see it anyway, alongside everything else.
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Any *true* Conan fan will tell you Milius' scripts are shite. he took a character that was wily, formidable, and a force of nature, and turned him into a buffoon. Fuck Milius. His first draft of King Conan was utter trash and ripped off Robert E. Howard's stories (actually, "raped" the stories is more like it) in the worst way. If the Wachowskis have any brains at all (which they seem to), they'll keep Milius' taint as far away from King Conan as possible. And they rejected his first draft, so there's hope yet.
I'm really hoping T3 is a hit. Like Harry, I want so much for this movie to be awesome. Sure, T2 had a couple of flaws (the kid was a fucking annoying brat), but I remember the audiences I saw the movie with when it first came out, and you could feel the thrill in the crowd. I want to feel the same thing with T3. Unlike Harry, I don't have man-breasts. ;) -
i would be the happiest tomboy beanpole on the planet!
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Apr 17, 2003 7:44:04 AM CDT
Harry, you finally figured out A LOT is TWO words! Congrads!
by the other man
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Nothing I have seen points to anything other than a PG-13 rating. The hair over the TX's boobies (yes, I said boobies), plasma gun (no blood), HUGE FUCKING BUDGET which points to commercial SUICIDE if it gets an R rating. But I'm getting more confident that this might be good. Lets hope. But damn-it, it needs to be an "R".
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........you people wised up.
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...any Arnie story was greeted by a plethora of Arnie impressions in the TB's. Also I preferred them when they were IN FUCKING ORDER.
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The robots win.
I hope that this movie is actually going to be good. From the trailer it actually doesn't look that different from T1 or T2 to me, hopefully the storyline's alot different.. I don't want to see a movie with the same plot reused.
Terminator protects John Conner.. again.. From the new Terminator on the block.. again. They run and run and try to destroy techonolgy.. again. -
http://sonypictures.com/intl/t3/quicktime/t33_intl_trailer_300k.mov
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Apr 17, 2003 8:13:32 AM CDT
"U-571... if you move past the historical issues that the UK-ers
by charlie & tex
Historical issues? Fuck you, Harry! It was yet another example of how real-life events have been distorted to make it more box-office friendly in the US.
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Apr 17, 2003 8:30:11 AM CDT
U-571--Is it just me or does the first twenty minutes look like
by andy travis
Up until they actually get on the sub, the whole beginning looked a lot like a TV movie, the sets, the lighting, the directing.
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Awful. Watch Das Boot, and then try to watch U-571 with a straight face. Hell, watch the submarine sequence in Michael York's Three Musketeers movie and then try to watch U-571 with a straight face. That movie was awful. Awful.
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...but after seeing that new International trailer yesterday-I've never been so hyped to see an Arnie movie! I can't wait to see that TX show up nekkid!
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Even though I am looking forward to this, I wish they went with some new characters rather than the same old shit-different day. It worked on some of those "Terminator:Burning Earth" comics.
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Apr 17, 2003 8:42:22 AM CDT
This will look old and decrepit compared to the monster that is
by bowendesign
I swear, films have changed a LOT since the release of the Matrix. I for one am sick of cack Matrix rip-off's, but in order to pull it off T3 has gotta have more kinetic engergy than T2 ever did. Don't get me wrong, T2 was amazing and still is, but if it was released today it'd be a real clunky picture. The jury's still out, but there'd have to be many more indiviual reports saying it's pretty frickin' something to make me sit up and take notice. It's also sad that Harry states in order for other films to do well this one has to be massive. I'm looking forward to the possibility of a grand King Conan film... it deserves to be released without a crutch to support it. It'd do well. Oh yeah, and U571 stank more than the shitweasels in Dreamcatcher.
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Finally some interesting info about this project!
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But that Harry animation at the top is the most grotesque thing since Dolph Lundgren's Punisher....
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Apr 17, 2003 8:54:32 AM CDT
Yeah, but if the trailers keep trotting out those moldy old line
by lance rock
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U571 was really poor, "#1 US Box Office Smash" in the middle of an even poorer release schedule of films! Say no more...
Main point. Is it just me or does that T-X Endoskeleton look pathetic-menancing??-pah! I dont think so, they've got it all wrong.
What they shoulda done was bumped that ever increasing budget up and cast Vin Diesel as the newer model Terminator-now that woulda been COOL. Imagine Arnie and Vin going at it.... T850 Vs T850 on steroids!! -
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I am not sure I even want to see this. Every shot I have scene looks like absolute re-tread and trash.
It's bad news when the creator wasn't even a part of this. Arnie should have stuck to his guns about not doing a T3 without James Cameron.
Senseless!
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Apr 17, 2003 9:54:04 AM CDT
Will Harry walk outof T3 happy? I guess it depends if they buy a
by sundown
Seriously Harry you don't like to root against movies? What about Resident Evil or anything Paul Anderson or Freddie Prinze or anything anyone who hasn't kissed your ass has made? Godzilla (the American crap) you root for though... All this bullshit about top brass seeing it and yadda yadda yadda means NOTHING. Its Harry covering for a crappy film yet again. Breakdown and U571 were so AVERAGE it hurt. They were by the numbers CRAP. I wouldn't use U571 to balance my copy of Below. Fact is the wire work with the chick LOOKS HORRIBLE. The scene where she jumps on the car awful. The chick looks STUPID! Arnold looks OLD!!! The crappy arm opening up scene looks like stright to video garbage and the rockets eye view sequence at the end of the trailor looks like shit. As for Harrys bullshit (and it is bullshit) about the last 20 minutes-let me break cause I bet the trailor gave it away. The last 20 minutes the T-whatever chases them as they ride in a hearse with Johns Mom, some other historical person that the Twhatever needs for some reason and ends in a grave yard DURING THE DAY no less. Lame. I bet that rocket is the start of the lame ass end sequence. This movie will suck so hard the screen will implode. This movie will be this years Planet of the Apes...and I like to root for movies but this and Bruckheimers shitty Pirate movie will be the flops...I bet Hulk is a surprise hit (actual quality filmaker) along with X2 and Matrix Reloaded. Screw this movie!!!!
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Harry said he doesn't try to root against movies... I guess that's IF they aren't helmed by Paul Anderson. Man, he slams that guy, and why? Why punish him for directing a movie that you wanted Romero to direct?... it isn't his fault Romero got dumped. Resident Evil is not a bad movie.. yeah, coulda been more over-the-top violent, but the fact that it wasn't actually gives it a wider appeal. I thought it was very true to the game.
As for T3, I imagine it will be just fine... yeah, it's mostly just a rehash of T2... but I bet it's exciting and action-packed. It doesn't have to have Cameron's involvement at this point.. he established such a good premise and characters. It's no different than HIS taking on the Alien franchise. It didn't begin with him, but he added one of the best chapters to it.
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somethings amiss...we could have a rock and roll action movie trifecta on our hands...I wouldn't mind!
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I just watched the international trailer. And my jaw dropped and I probably will have a medical bill from it. This movie looks like it will kick so much ass this summer. Check this out and let me know your opinion. Here is the link.
http://www.terminator3-themovie.co.uk/trailer.html
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Apr 17, 2003 10:19:38 AM CDT
This Talkback has the official approval of the US Army.
by grand digital
You've all made Les Brownlee very happy. http://www.army.mil/leaders/USA/BrownleeOfficial.jpg
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Harry, I just knew you had bad inside people feeding you SHIT about T3! I'm VERY HAPPY you did this article! Hey, seems like you already must have found out T3 is rated R! Yes...it's the only rating a TERMINATOR film should have! Are you listening WB!
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First, sorry for my bad English. With all the respect I have towards people who still criticize T3, I don't want to touch your conscience but the latest int'l trailer looks amazing, easily surpassing the "kung-fu" Matrix one. The movie, story, FX, acting, etc. looks great, it doesn't have any weak moment. I've got nothing against the Matrix sequels, but HOW you can say Matrix II+III WILL BE GREAT MOVIES WHILE T3 IS SH..???? Has anybody here already seen them??? Answer is very very simple: NO! Please, try to "cross the border" and be a little bit more fair, sometimes you're so funny with your "strong" comments on T3 & Arnie. Get back to the Earth! Regards from Prague.
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know what this movie needs? Terminator Dogs. C'mon. You know you want them.
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Articles like this are the main reason I come here -- not just for the geek-gasms, but for some actual analysis. This is interesting stuff to know and it puts a lot of what is going on into perspective. More like this, please :)
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It will not be half as good as Episode 3!!! Nothing can compare with the gorgeous hunk, Hayden! Arnolds muscles and Keanu pale by comparrison!
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All you Arnold haters will be eating your own words come June. T3 will kick arse, and hopefully should spawn a great Conan movie to finish that series off as well. Arnie can go play Govenor once that's done. Cheers.
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I hate Jonathan Mostow. I hated U-571. And I hate the new Terminator 3 trailer. But I'm going to watch this movie anyway. You've got to love Hollywood! hehehe. It's a good thing I get my movies for free. :D
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wasn't cyberdyne, skynet et al destroyed in t2, therefore meaning the terminator technology could never become developed? so, how are there even machines to rise in t3, since the guy who created them blew himself and the factory up in that fuck-off huge explosion in t2? also, as a further point, what on earth is on the point of a female terminator? she's a robot, this isnt species, anyone can see that making the terminator (sorry, terminatrix) femlae is just one big gimmick designed to sell the story to stupid studio execs who dont realise that a robot doesn't need to be female to fuckin kick it. if t3 was meant to be, cameron and linda hamilton would be involved. they're not, but arnie is because he hasnt made a good movie for nearly 10 years now (i count true lies as his last really good one, doubt many would disagree) and as a result he's lost his star power and bankability. i expect i'll see this, if only out of curiosity, i dont have any hopes of it being any good, mostow is no cameron.
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That's fucking scary. I at first thought you were pretty much on the mark, but exagerating. Then the best I could come up with was Pirates of the Caribbean, based on a fucking RIDE. The only thing to look forward to is a new James Cameron project, and that may be Alien 5 anyway (if Ridley doesn't get there first (as Sigourney reckoned on Radio over here the other day)). Oh well, at least I like comics...
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They should have about 3/4 of the film take place in the future and show the intracacies of the human and machine culture as they battle one another. They always hint at the future in the first two films, I'd like to see a film set entirely in that bleak world.
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Underworld, for which I hold out a little hope, and Van Helsing come to that.
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Will they have the strength of five gooorillaas? Will they be taller than five feet nothing? Will they have X-Ray vision or that cloak thing? Will they have titanium teeth and eat tires instead of licorce?
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--I haven't been too impressed with what I've seen and heard from T3, but I do still live in hope that it could be a fun movie. One little nitpick, though...saying that "U-571" is the last good submarine flick is the type of critical insight I expect from Larry King or whomever is reviewing for '60 Second Preview' this week, especially if you say that "Below" doesn't count. How many submarine films have we had since "U-571" then? "K-19: The Widowmaker" is the only one that leaps to mind. You might as well have said that "Breakdown" was the best thriller about a man dealing with a crazy truck driver since "Duel", but you didn't really consider "Joy Ride" to be much of a thriller.
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lower execs bad mouth projects they don't want to see hit because it will help their careers???
someone got a clue
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I sure hope so because that was really good! T3 proves that you can never have enough killer cyborgs from the future traveling back to the past to complete their neverending assignments. But what's even better are Harry's man boobs, they are totally sexy. I'm sure Phoebe Cates is not only jealous but she's probably jerking herself off to that highly stimulating and erotic image of Harry, he's never looked sexier or more desirable. Harry you should really be a Chippendales dancer and go on the road with them then do a striptease for frigid housewives from the midwest who travel to Vegas for some weekend excitement. Then you will have achieved your true potential as a sex symbol.
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There has really never been any reason to believe that T3 would be bad. Most people are very excited about this movie --- except for the Aint-it-cool-news talkbackers. Make no mistake about it, the negativity is contained here. The rest of the world wants to see this movie.
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Look at how small his package is! Harry I would complain to whoever made that animation, they gave you great big tits but the unit of a 10-year old. Kind of reminds me of that SNL sketch with Chris Farley and Patrick Swayze. Although Harry would make Chris Farley SEEM like Swayze by comparison, so I don't think there is any future for him in the adult entertainment industry.
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Apr 17, 2003 12:07:13 PM CDT
T3 and Matrix: T3 wins, at least in terms of anticipation.
by thing-fish
Nice article, Harry, I agree with all of your points. Especially with needing an Arnold hit to increase the chances that King Conan will be made. But I don't agree with people on this board. People say that T3 will suck and the Matrix sequels will rock, but I justdon't see things that way. The matrix (the first one) was good if you closed your eyes to the gaping plot holes, but certainly not great; but more importantly, it was a *finished story*. I just can't see them making that story more interesting by adding stuff to it - the only exception being a severe plot twist like Neo being a machine ("He's a machine!" someone yells at some point in the first matrix movie) or something like that. Otherwise, it'll just be a bunch of effects and an ad hoc, pointless story. Which is precisely the thing that the matrix movie makers are accusing Star Wars to be (yuk, how cheap, trying to come across as great by pulling down someone else). ________ As for the Terminator, there are ways in which the Terminator story isn't finished yet, we haven't seen anything of the future in which humans are fighting machines (I guess that's before they take over and start growing people as batteries, isn't it?) So there's quite a possibility that the new Terminator will offer something new, if the film makers are clever (or maybe we'll get to see that in Terminator 4 when this oneturns out to be a success?). Then there is of course the possibility that they will BOTH suck, which would be a shame. In short, I have more hope for the Terminator than for the Matrix.
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I guess they bought the advertising bar on top of the page for next month. Can't badmouth the sponsors!!
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Aside from The Two Towers, I haven't seen special effects match the work done in the final set piece of this film. It's simply flawless! When did this film come out again? 94? If he had been able to direct Spiderman, could you imagine how fucking awesome the action would have looked just JUDGING by the harrier scene in True Lies? Why I bring this up is because James Cameron knew WHEN to use CGI, and most importantly HOW. The difference between Cameron from other big action directors is he only uses CGI either to mask the seams in practical effects. Was the T-1000 TOTALLY CGI? Hell no! Watch the film again, and you'll see that aside from some of the morphing a lot of it actually was practical. And the big intro to T2 was all models for all I could tell. What's bothering me about T3's trailers are that the T-500s (or whatever they are called) have all been replaced by CGI, and it's pretty obvious. Here's hoping that Mostow really does show us a film worthy of the Terminator franchise. And as for Cameron's next feature, I have faith it will blow our minds.
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Guess what? The terminator films are B-movies. Good films, sure, but the whole concept is B-movie level stuff, which Mostow understands. I thought I was a movie snob, but Christ, some people do like to bitch for nothing. Just because Das Boot is the definitive sub movie and one of the greatest films ever, that doesn't mean that nobody can ever make a sub movie again unless it surpasses Peterson's work. Breakdown and U-571 were way above average studio fare, according to most sensible folks, so T3 might very well not be a total POS.
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Bradley Hamilton is spot on about the lack of new ideas in LA. At least, though, there's some real brassy ambition in the execution of many of these "safe" projects. With the advances in CGI and other FX technologies, people are saying: "Now we can finally give X-men a shot; or LOTR; etc." Once that love-in period is over we'll hopefully see something new. I'd say in 3 years there won't be any superheroes left to put on film. Then the creative gates will open out of neccessity. Good luck, T3. Strike while the iron is hot.
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I don't even notice the Keira Knightley picture anymore
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And why did she need shadows!!? Arnold didn't have shadows!
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Apr 17, 2003 1:25:36 PM CDT
renewed faith after this trialer... maybe it wont suck ass
by schmiggy jk
I too was totally worried about this flick, reading all the "insider" news... But after seeing this trailer, maybe it wont be all that bad.
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Hey everybody! I can't wait to watch this movie! I will eat a big tub of popcorn and laugh at the jokes and cry at the sad and yell at the crazy action. I like movies! I think everyone here is a super fella and I want to tell you all that I am ready to be best friends. Please email me with jokes and your best regards. I have a phone line in my basement room -- so I CAN GET EMAIL YES! Now I will do a fun dance and make crank calls to the hardware store. I would like to watch porn, but my mom scrambled all the dirty channels. You can kind of see the boobs, but they are all jumbly -- like my tummy on the roller coaster. Yippy me!
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Nuff said!
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makes me laugh when some idiot says T3 will be a rehash of T2... Like they saw the film last night. Weve been told countless times that The story for T3 is Great, So stop fucking moaning!!! Weve waiting 12 fucking years for this! now its coming out all i hear is "but the storys sucks" and "but matrix will rule" I have full faith in T3. 1 last thing i must say is well done to Harry for at least giving it a chance.
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Apr 17, 2003 2:28:15 PM CDT
Superman III, Batman Forever, Lethal Weapon 3, Alien 3, Beverley
by antiriad
...need i go on?
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Fett is telling the truth. I am not him. Whatever you think of that guy's opinions, I don't think I've ever seen him intentionally pick a fight or directly antagonize you. I'm just someone who got tired of you and your stupidity. And I will be posting no further in your former guise. It feels cold and clammy in here anyway. And this whole stolen ID thing was never funny in the first place.
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Apr 17, 2003 2:38:49 PM CDT
I said that I would never, ever watch U-571 and I've kept to my
by gabba-uk
"Historical inaccuracies (sp)?" My arse!! That movie was a fucking great big lie from beginning to end. The moment I heard that in the film the American's captured and decoded enigma, when every school kid in Britain who paid attention during History knows it was our boys who did it, I was incensed. Captured by the crew of the HMS Sword if memory serves (can't be bothered to do a google search at the mo, much like the researchers for U-571). Having said that I heard that it was a well structured sub movie with a good sence of suspence in it. Shame it took such huge liberties with History, I would have seen it. I do hope that T3 is at the very least good, I really do. The new trailer increase's my hope's but that 'She'll be back' tag-line is still a worry to me....
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. . . set this film in the future when the machines have already taken over. That's what everyone really wants to see (and by "everyone" I mean just me). Do we really need to see yet another terminator travel back to modern-day Los Angeles? I guess filming on a modern-day Los Angeles street is a lot cheaper than trying to depict the future, but I'm tired of watching cars parked on the street curb being smashed by a speeding truck, and such tired action shots like an explosion making the fire truck jump 8 feet in the air. Maybe I couldn't do any better myself, but the film makers are highly-paid professionals, aren't they? If the scenes in the trailers are really from this movie, I can't see it doing very well.
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Nobody really wants to see a BAD Terminator movie, I just think we lost our faith in the project when we heard all that crap about the lousy script and budget problems. I think they have a great cast for this thing and that Nick Stahl was a perfect choice for John Conner (and I haven't seen the talented Claire Danes in anything for a while). Unlike some people, I'm not immediately put off the by the idea of a female Terminator. None of those things are a real problem for me... but you can't hold it against me if I have high expectations, those are BIG shoes to fill. Let's all hope for the best.
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Apr 17, 2003 2:55:32 PM CDT
Bradley Hamilton - So this is the name to look for when there is
by dr_zoidberg
Shame really. Now that you have all been banned, AGAIN, you can now at least try to tolerate each other. As for T3, I've just read Darko's post and it 'might' have a good story after all. I always liked the idea that the terminators were modelled after a real person.
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Reloaded is the one I am most looking forward to, then X2, then T3...thanks Harry for the heads-up, but really, I think the franchise died when Cameron jumped ship, even if you do deem Mostow like The Second Bearded One (with Mr Lucas being the first of course). I also have to say that I don't care much for Hulk (is it The Hulk or Hulk...I swear it changes every day), but I think that there are too many comic book to screen transitions coming out of Hollywood at the mo, so skipping one or two isn't a bad idea.
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You jackass, Chet DonneLLy. You couldn't even do it right. And then you defend that ignorant prick Fett?? Ha!! Dickhead. You really showed Chet didn't ya? You guys are so in over your head. Do you know the type of Talkbacker's your dealing with? Bradley...your fantasy team needs you. Did you talk to Supernova??
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i'd have to disagree with thing-fish on his points. first of all, the matrix sequels are not add-ons. the story was written as a trilogy. i don't think the terminator series was planned as a trilogy.
and how are we seeing something new in T3? the original terminator is back. he both bad (as in the first movie) and good (like in part 2) and then there's another, more advanced terminator to stop him and kill the future leader of the resistance (T2, again).
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Surely not, could it be?
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A lot of people are saying that T3 would be good if James Cameron was on board????? Fuck that, i don't want "I'm the king of the world" shit in a Terminator movie.
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Goldfinger, Supercop (aka "Police Story 3"), The Enforcer, and buckle up for Once Upon a Time in Mexico. Also, should we extrapolate from your earlier post that Matrix Revolutions will suck too?
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I dunno ... most of the people I know don't frequent any of these movie sites, and I've not heard one person expecting T3 to be any good. And I've heard a lot of opinions from both camps.
Time will tell. I won't be seeing it in theatres because I'm protesting Warner Brothers for the waste of my money that was Dreamcatcher (and I'm NOT boycotting The Matrix; I'd rather boycott what looks to be a crap movie from WB instead of what will undoubtedly be a good movie). -
1) The trailers depict a stale, uninterestingly shot rehash of T2. Who needs that?
_____________________2) This is not a series installment but a generational sequel. We'd expect less of a Part III than a 3.0. What's the difference? In a trilogy/duology or whatnot that is released in tandem, it's okay to see roughly the same stuff. But Cameron's T2 already got away with as much rehash of the first film as we really needed, while at the same time making us expect big leaps in scale and techology between films. So Cameron did you a double disservice in what you needed to do for a third. He dazzled on the FX side and left a deficit on the story side.
_____________________3) The Terminator movies, this one included we assume, have been fairly personal stories in the slasher movie mode. The epic apocalyptic trimmings are merely to create a claustrophobia for the tight inner circle of the hunt. But what you need to realize as you contemplate a fourth, is what Harry has said. We want to see the War.
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We want the movie to be about those battles we've seen only glimpses of. Sure, you need the backdrop of the present-day world to provide sympathetic soft targets. The way to have it both ways is integral to the plot of the earlier films. Each has required us to believe that Skynet constructed a time machine but only had it operational for long enough to send back a single terminator; and den John Connor took control and sent back a good guy too. A single good guy. That's a heckuva thing to happen just so; twice. For a fourth film (and you may be addressing this already in your edge-of-the-seat climax this time around) it's obvious that Skynet and/or Future-Conner ought to send back an ARMY to fight the last great battle of the future in the present day.
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OR better yet just drop this series because the rights are so fubar and the themes are dated and played out. Do something new and original. The economic incentive to stick with tried and true material is understood, but there are plenty of great science fiction novels, even dating back to the forties and fifties, that have fresher spins on terminator's ideas than your likely to find through the studio script mill. "A Is For Anything": Damon Knight. "Tiger!Tiger!/The Stars My Destination": Alfred Bester. Check them out for starters. Both are epic with strong hard-edged personal stories and aren't -quite- like anything we've seen on film.
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Apparently it's the kind who still doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're." Shit, you should be writing reviews for this site Bill! Good luck at the spelling bee.
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...because this will be just as much of an abomination. And I LOVED T2, mind you. The Terminator franchise, I think, was the one brilliant gem to come out of the 80's orgy of horror slasher flicks, because it actually had an intelligent backstory (forwardstory?). Let's face it: we wouldn't have Matrix without Terminator making the rise of the machines storyline as omnipresent as it is these days in scifi. But I am seriously afraid for this movie. The writing sounds terrible. The acting, especially by the kid and by the T-X, looks like a typical TV movie. The trailer already shows us several bits that look ABSOLUTELY PHOTOCOPIED from T2, like Arnie getting shut down (complete with villian standing over him), a huge truck chase through downtown, breaking into a secret facility by the main characters, etc. It looks to me like they're doing the same protect-john-so-he-can-save-the-world-later story. And frankly... that just seems stupid. They've protected John. Let's see Independence Day with terminators. Hey wait, they have a shot from ID4 in there too. *sigh* I just don't know what to think. I'm still cringing Harry. I'm still afraid.
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You never know, he could be from the future sent back here to distract us all with a wacky website while the robot cyborgs are hard at work taking over the world. On the other boob he could be a defective fembot that didn't turn out right, an experimental fembot and he was tossed out of an airplane over Texas late one night and he landed in the Knowles front yard. You know like Superman, Pa Knowles and Ma Knowles knew they had a special something so they adopted him and raised him as a boy but he's really a big fat fembot!
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You never know, he could be from the future sent back here to distract us all with a wacky website while the robot cyborgs are hard at work taking over the world. On the other boob he could be a defective fembot that didn't turn out right, an experimental fembot and he was tossed out of an airplane over Texas late one night and he landed in the Knowles front yard. You know like Superman, Pa Knowles and Ma Knowles knew they had a special something so they adopted him and raised him as a boy but he's really a big fat fembot!
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You never know, he could be from the future sent back here to distract us all with a wacky website while the robot cyborgs are hard at work taking over the world. On the other boob he could be a defective fembot that didn't turn out right, an experimental fembot and he was tossed out of an airplane over Texas late one night and he landed in the Knowles front yard. You know like Superman, Pa Knowles and Ma Knowles knew they had a special something so they adopted him and raised him as a boy but he's really a big fat fembot!
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it makes me nuts. i mean i try to stay away from these sort of things and then i innocently follow those links and arrive at x2 clips. i could just handle to close the window...
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Apr 17, 2003 5:04:01 PM CDT
Where the negativity is coming from, also regarding ALIEN CUBED:
by vegas
The negativity towards T3 comes from Cameron not being involved, pure and simple. TERMINATOR is CAMERON'S BABY. He wrote it, he directed it, he BUILT it, and it just doesn't FEEL right to have a third one made A) without him, and B) when the ending to the second film tied everything up so nicely. To me, it feels like my beloved Houston Rocket Hakeem Olajuwon going to the Toronto Raptors. It's just not RIGHT, I tells ya! HOWEVER, this does not apply with ALIEN CUBED (my favorite of the Alien trilogy, because I think it ends things perfectly). ALIEN was NOT Cameron's baby. He was in no way involved with the writing or directing of the first film, so when people talk about Fincher betraying him with the opening of ALIEN CUBED, I can't help but think "Fuck Cameron. It's Fincher's movie now." One of the things I liked about ALIEN was that it was a director's franchise, and that it felt kind of like an old campfire horror tale where your friend starts it, passes it on to you to continue, and you pass it on to a friend to finish. It had that feel, so I don't think Fincher was out of line with his opening. I love that opening, because it says from the get-go that "Nobody is safe in this movie." It's a surprise! Remember surprises, back when every aspect of a movie wasn't spoiled before you sat down at the theater? Before you had read the whole shooting script months before buying the popcorn? Yeah, I remember surprises, try to stay spoiler free as much as I can, and I love the surprise in ALIEN CUBED. I don't know why Harry can hate that movie and love a piece of shit like Daredevil, but c'est la vie, and to each their own I guess.
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Apr 17, 2003 5:25:23 PM CDT
I think a better headline for this article would've been "T3 --
by ribbons
Heh heh. I kid, I kid.
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is that in his last few movies he's tryed to play "regular guys"..But he looks nothing like a regular guy! Hopefully a return to playing a complete badass will get him back on track. Although I have to say this movie is in the back of my mind right now, WAAAAY behind Matrix:reloaded and X-2, because those 2 flicks will rule all.
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This Looks Like T2 Rehashed
No crazy mom with stupid dialogue, but girlfriend.
New T-droid with gadgets and abilities from which T-Arnold is protecting the intended victim. Plenty o' super strength fight scenes. Somebody dies (I Bet). Over the top locations. (I'll bet there's even a scene where the heros think they've destroyed the T? whatever, only to see that it comes back. I wonder if they'll be some clever verbiage moment - no doubt. I wonder if the plot will ever so slightly be open ended for another installment.
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WB:Knowles you bad mouthed T3 in the article for the trailor.
Fatty:But we all know it will suck, I am allowed to have an opinion.
WB:You are only allowed to have our opinion. No Matrix for you.
Fatty:I am sorry master, I will print a retraction that essentially has no facts and is based on hersay.
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It's true that a lot of second sequels have been crappy though. I think a lot of first sequels have had people trying to improve on the first movie and actually succeeding in many cases. But third movies it seems a lot of times they are just going through the motions. The thing I think with this franchise is that neither of the first two were truly great movies. They were very groundbreaking and effective and had a lot of neat ideas in them but they weren't great movies in the way that a lot of other franchise's first couple films were. So there's room for improvement. That's one of the reasons I'd like to seem them continue the franchise. Plus the fact that we understand so much more now about artificial intelligence now and where it's all going than we did in 91 and 84. The events in these films now can seem so much more plausible now than they did 12 or 20 years ago. Plus they have a female Terminator played by a beautiful unknown actress. Yes!! Plus, Claire Danes! I think the negative buzz on this film thus far has been extremely unjustified and is due to the negative side of Internet fans overanalyzing films in production to death. The major thing I was worried about was that they might do a PG-13 on us but it looks like that isn't going to happen.
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Apr 17, 2003 6:25:12 PM CDT
There is no interest for T3 out in the mainstream. Whether it is
by spacesheik
There is not much of an interest out there for this film. It is more of the same but with a female terminator. Arnold seems to have lost his bond with audiences and quite frankly, THE MATRIX and X MEN 2 will pull in the crowds, not this flick. The trailers look more of the same, lots of L.A. locations and car chases and fights. Nothing in T3 will match the novelty of the "morphing" fx in T2 or the big scale aspect of that film, when Arnold was King, in the early 90s. Things are different now. A different audience. Had T3 been a film set in the future, a whole new look, a whole new world instead of Arnold in a black leather jacket saying stupid lines like "You're terminated" I would have given it a chance. This will be the ROBOCOP III of the Terminator series.
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Apr 17, 2003 7:18:32 PM CDT
"Arnold really needs another Danny Devito buddy flick right now.
by spacesheik
HAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA
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Apr 17, 2003 7:53:52 PM CDT
Linda Hamilton isn't in this, is she? I actually haven't heard m
by jeff batt
Also, is Cameron involved in any way? I seem to recall someone saying he's producing. I'm not particularly all giddy about this and didn't think there needed to be a 3rd one, especially the way T2 was wrapped up it seemed to close the door on the series. But I guess if the can keep bringing Jason Vorhees and Michael Myers back after total body mutilations and dismemberments, anythings possible...
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I think that the Matrix movies have more potential as sequals, because there IS more story to tell. If Neo is The One, then they must find some way to defeat the machines and free the humans. Whereas, at the end of T2, they pretty much destroyed all evidence of the machines, which means, that the terminators should never come to be. Although, I am curious about what happened to Arnold's arm when it was ripped off in the gears. What I'm trying to say, really, is that I think, the Matrix is more open-ended, where the Terminator is closed. Either way, I want to see both.
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Looking at that smokin' hot terminatrix just about says it all.
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I bet he's giving T3 so much hopeful praise because they've paid in advance for T3 ads to be run on the site.
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and it all originates from AICN. Don't underesrimate the power of the netsite. The Bad word on T3 is pretty much because of the bum rap it got here. So no turncoat act please. You hated it, no you're willing to give a chance, dunno why? don't give us the old I knew this would be great treatment. Mostow's submarine flick was run of the mill and you know it. I just can't see him doing the leap from that to owning Terminator. If I'm proven wrong, I'm glad but don't turn the coat now before even seeing the film...
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Apr 17, 2003 9:48:36 PM CDT
They should retitle this "Terminator: Nemesis" and put a dune bu
by fluffyunbound
I will buy this in the remainder bin at Best Buy for $4.99. $4.99 Canadian. It not only isn't exciting or compelling, it actually makes me a little sad. It's just so tired and worn.
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It's Arnie and it's a Terminator flick, so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. I'm not expecting anything Cameron-level, but just a decent actioner on the order of Die Hard II. If that's all I get then I'm happy. Toppu o Nerae!
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and U-571 had a good DTS track. Thats all that can be said.
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With the guys who wrote THE GAME and the director of BREAKDOWN, this could potentially be the best TERMINATOR movie yet; maybe even one of the best action movies of all time. Ah, wishful thinking ---- hope I haven't jinxed it.
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Okay, it's a list of one: Goldfinger was the third James Bond movie, and widely regarded to be the height of the series. I have hopes that the third Matrix movie will buck the trend, and if they follow the book as closely as they did for the first two, "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" should as well.
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as much potential as the crap that I will be dropping in my toilet tomorrow morning. Exactly how different does this Terminator movie look from the last 2: NOTHING. They even had to get some hot model to play the new "evil" Terminator just to pique our interest. And Harry, that little Flash thing at the top with your man-mmaries is really making me nauseous.
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Have we all forgotten Jaws 3-D, Poltergeist III, and Psycho III? I know I tried to. And in my prior post I neglected to include "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade," which was FAR better than "Temple of Doom." So the list of good third movies stands at two and counting...
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Apr 18, 2003 12:31:16 AM CDT
Was that Arnie Terminator posing in front of an American flag?
by nazismasher
Hey, I'm going to be totaly open-minded where T3 is concerned, but I really hope this doesn't mean it's going over the top to dig for brownie points out of the current wave of jingoism. My feeling has nothing to do with any political consideration either! It's just that the Terminator universe is supposed to be struggle of machine vs. humanity without any nation taking precedence. If anything the machine war would have made those nationalistic identities meaningless since ALL of manking was in danger of extinction, so I'm just hoping they don't try bringing in some element that never existed in the first place just to pander to people's sense of patriotism. No big deal I guess (it's not going to break or make the film for me), but just a complaint.
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With some neat effects. Stop glorifying the King of the World. He can do that on his own. Whatever T3 is, it isn't likely to be much worse than T2 or the original.
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Is the incredibly disturbing animation Harry's using at the moment. Geez, that's some pretty repulsive stuff, Har. Between that and the "Eyes Wide Shut" animation, I am increasingly inclined to technicolor yawn when visiting this site.
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Is the incredibly disturbing animation Harry's using at the moment. Geez, that's some pretty repulsive stuff, Har. Between that and the "Eyes Wide Shut" animation, I am increasingly inclined to technicolor yawn when visiting this site.
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Apr 18, 2003 3:37:40 AM CDT
CaptDanielRoe, you got any other suggestions for scifi novels?
by the dude abides
i've only read stuff like herbert, heinlein and crichton in the past, but i'm interested in finding a few good things in that genre to read. truthfully, for reading, the genre scares me a little bit because it can be so damned intimidating with the science aspect. but, i'd be happy to hear any suggestions for a budding scifi reader.
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Any film that kills off Jon Bon Jovi can't be all bad.
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How can you even doubt the coolness of this movie? It's a friggin' Terminator movie. Terminator movies with Arnold cannot suck, it's a law of nature! This movie had a budget of 180,000,000$ which means that the effects-wizzards MUST have put something extraordinary together. In the trailer we don't see ANYTHING that a 50-60 mill. dollar movie couldn't do, and that must mean we are in for the best to come! This movie will blow us away and even if the acting's poor and the script blows, the action sequences and the effects will make us flock to the theater to see this again and again. I really do believe that we are in for a groundbreaking experience! (soory for my poor english, but I am from Denmark)
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How can anyone say that. Arnold has been making washed up crap ever since True Lies, which was nine (Nine!) years ago.
Meanwhile the Matrix preview is about as gorgeous as it comes. And its level of special effects/innovation has established Matrix as THE dominant species of action-movie... T2 was it back in the day.
No Longer...
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Um..,didn't anyone watch the second movie!? There is no need for this movie- the war never happened!! Ah well, I guess with American audiences, it doesn't really matter....tee hee.
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Hey AdonisFigure, (and others), that's not what I meant. When I wrote "T3 wins in terms of anticipation", I was talking about myself only. Of course you are right in that the Matrix sequels are more anticipated than T3 in the eyes of the public-at-large. Sorry for the confusion, didn't mean to tick you off. Mea culpa.
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Hello there - thanks for your serious replies, I appreciate that. First off, I didn't know that the Matrix was written as a trilogy, thanks for pointing that out. That quite surprises me, to be honest, and it does change my views somewhat. (It might also increase the likelihood of serious plot twists - like the "He's a machine!" statement). The reason I think that the first Matrix movie is a complete story is that it is a "savior" plot (often used in sci-fi stories, much like Dune). It ends with the promise of liberation for the people. I think it just woulnd't "add" much to show Neo freeing the people (without problems - why would there be any if he can bend the Matrix to his will, including the agents?), everyone waking up, and fighting the machines. Somehow I don't think they should be part of the mythology. The thing here (I think, at least) is that the Matrix (like the Force in Star Wars) bases itself on a mixture of western and eastern religious "myths", and I think they'll have to (and are going to) stick to that in the sequels. Now, I don't think the war against the machines "fits" such a background. But if you think I'm wrong, the only way to solve the issue is to await the movies. ;-) The terminator story doesn't have that "burden", so I think showing the war might actually make sense. ____ Second, plot holes. Like you point out, there are plenty of plot holes in the Terminator movies, as well - if all evidence of the terminators and Skynet gets destroyed at the end of T2, from what future do those terminators come from if they will have never existed? Maybe Skynet gets resurrected, who knows. They will probably make something up so that it appears tofit if you don't think about it too much. Just like they'll probably do with the Matrix sequels. ____ Anyway, I'm sure you'll agree with me that it would be wonderful if *both* sequels would be great. Sorry for the long babbling answer; hope i make some sense.
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Although I have no doubt that T3 will be an uninspired rehash of the second film (which wasn't very original to begin with), I suppose the obligatory guessing of the film's "surprise" revelation should begin. My guess would be that John Connor discovers that he is, in fact, the cause of the war that results in the "Rise of the Machines". Realizing this, John could attempt to avert the war by sending terminator(s) back into the past - to kill himself! Skynet would then be forced to send other terminators (or human 'drones') back into the past to protect him? Of course, the humans (Kyle Reese) would have to use deceit and subterfuge to convince both Sarah (in the first movie) and John (in the second and third) to stay alive. But this scenario would be WAY to risky for the franchise, so my guess is that it will be something lame like John Connor and his girlfriend/wife eventually fathering Kyle Reese - thus making himself his own grandfather ( a science-fiction cliche). Yep, totally uninspired and unoriginal in keeping with the film itself.
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I'm with Harry, hoping this film will kick some ass. Unfortunately, I'm pessimistic about the possibility of it actually kicking my ass. The trailers I've watched seemed hackneyed and uninspired. The female terminator seems to be a silly choice, although there might be a reason she's hot. Maybe she's supposed to lure someone into having sex with her, ultimately cutting them to pieces in an attempt to preserve the upcoming war. If this is not the case, however, the choice of a hot female terminator is ancillary to the plot, thus lowering my opinion of it by about 1000 points on principle alone. I'm hoping the action sequences will hold my attention, but I don't actually expect to care about any of the characters, so whatev. My last point: the reason "Reloaded" remains so tantilizing is because it reflects a dark view of the future, thus a believable view of the future. In addition, thank god there's no fucking fairy-tale time travel bullshit involved in "Reloaded" like there will be in T3. I hope T3 is quality, but I don't expect it to be.
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Sci-fi book recommendations:
1. "Hyperion" by Dan Simmons
2. "Starfish" by Peter Watts
3. "Revelation Space" by Alastair Reynolds
4. "Calculating God" by Robert J. Sawyer
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check this. how can you even think that t3 will surpass matrix reloaded. its a shame how people think that any terminator flik is worth seeing just because it has gayguy arnold in it. look at the reloaded trailoer and compare that to the matrix reloaded, you see two totally different directors with one goal....to try and beat eachother at making the best damn movie of the year. not only will t3 end this year but when they see how horrifying that girl acts in t3, itll bomb like the rest of the wack movies coming out in the summer. matrix reloaded not only begins its sequel later this year but comes out with the animatrix to satisfy our visual pleasure. so, all you kids that think t3 will beat reloaded this year, ha...bite me because at the end of the year your going to see films catching on to what the wachowski brothers did.
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I'll check those out.
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In addition to those mentioned, check out Neuromancer and anything by Neal Stephenson (especially Snow Crash and The Diamond Age).
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Apr 18, 2003 8:55:51 PM CDT
They aren't flogging a dead horse...because there IS potential,
by wee_paul
Like the rest of you, I
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Apr 18, 2003 9:04:40 PM CDT
RE: CaptDanielRoe, you got any other suggestions for scifi novel
by captdanielroe
You asked about Science Fiction novel recommendations on AICN.
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Rule One:
I believe it was Arthur C. Clarke who said 97% of science fiction is crap.
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Rule Two:
More than other genres, it seems SciFi authors are unpredictable; the same author can pen a gem or a lump of coal.
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Rule Three:
"Genres" exist as a selling point, and genre alone is a selling point to its core readership, often the book can limp along on less merit than would be required to publish it without the genre crutch.
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Based on your stated preference for Heinlein thus far, my pics in no particular order:
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Weaveworld by Clive Barker
-It's more or less a fantasy/horror book but what the hey. Inconsistent throughout like all the author's work. One minute its the best damn novel you can remember, then 18 pages later you can barely find the strength to proceed. But still recommended for those who like Heinlein's earthbound fantasies.
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Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove
-Afrikaaners supply AK47s to the Confederacy to help them tip the historical tide. Told from Lee's point of view. Simple, laconic in the best Civil War tradition, and oddly comforting.
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The Urth of the New Sun Series by Gene Wolfe
-It's far future SciFi but has similarities to Tolkein. Wolfe too is an old professor with a Catholic background reflected in this, his epic work. But he's prolific, so watch out for the later installments. There is a two-volume trade paperback collection of the first four in the series, which I recommend. These are: Shadow of the Torturer, Sword of the Lictor, Claw of the Conciliator, Citadel of the Autarch. The work has a rhythm that may feel repetitive, like you are going in circles, but trust me it's an expanding spiral that takes you quite far...
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Hyperion? Trouble free suggestion. 2001 on steroids, with lots of jazzy trappings. Ultimately I didn't find the work very enriching, though.
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Snow Crash? This, not Neuromancer, is the definitive cyberpunk novel. It's a must read. You'll be really hungry for more and will plow ahead into his follow-up, Diamond Age, which will get off to a great start but ultimately leave you scratching your head. Cryptonomicon? OMG WTF! But Neal Stephenson is smart and extremely amusing.
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1984. The best SciFi novel ever written should be read even more than it is. Clearly everybody in news journalism and government has read it (and took notes). It's doublethink, people! Ah... Why bother.
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The Chronicles of Amber by Roger Zelazny. Ever heard of a fluffernutter? Here's the literary equivalent; barely more substantial than Piers Anthony. But it's good clean fun; I note it because it is reminiscent of Heinlein. This could be a heckuva contender for the Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings treatment, and quite frankly is smack dab betwist the two thematically. Again it's more fantasy really than science fiction.
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Asimov's Foundation Trilogy. Actually is a stunning piece of work. Look at the publication date and weep that Hollywood has wasted the last fifty years ripping it off, and falling far short, in its space epics.
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Dune. Another obvious one but classics got that way for a reason, sometimes. Read the first one and never consider picking up another. Dune is somehow very timely... Who else caught the US Officer on CNN with Shai Hulud written on his helmet? Too cool.
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Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game and all its sequels. This is great stuff. Movie in the works.
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The works of Philip K. Dick. That Dick's works have had such runaway success in Hollywood is amazing. Blade Runner, Total Recall, Minority Report... Especially when you consider that he rights novels without heroes or set-piece coolness. He was a druggy who wrote about everymen in similar twisted and paranoia-inducing circumnstances. He seemed to alternate between good and bad books but bad is relative. The Transmigration of Timothy Archer, about martian colonists who get release from their surroundings by pretending (?) to live through the eyes of their Barbie Dolls, is my favorite. Sounded crazy then I bet but today we have... Sims. -
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Army of Darkness,
Alien 3(give it another shot, it's good),
Rouge,
Samurai III: Duel At Ganryu Island,
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly;
Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade,
Adventures of Baron Munchausen (I know that's pushing it, but it IS part of a trilogy in Gilliam's wonderfully weird world),
Godfather III (it really ain't that bad),
Day of the Dead (excessively talky, but has a brilliant opening and ending),
Exorcist III (much better than the second one),
Moulin Rouge (Third in the "Red Curtain" trilogy),
Goldfinger,
Star Trek III (the most underrated ST film that happens to be sandwiched between the best trek film and the most popular one),
Return of the Jedi (come on, the Ewoks aren't that bad...and yes the overly happy ending is silly but otherwise it's an exciting film with a superb confrontation between Luke, the Emperor and Vader),
Third film in the Decalogue "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy,"
Rio Grande (the third in Ford's sublime cavalry trilogy)
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That's all I can think of. Please don't bash me too hard.
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they NEVER should have make it. it will be sad to see arnold get his *ss kicked by matrix reloaded. btw those CANCUN ads look like porno ads!
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Negativity towards the T3 project? Yep, there has been. No matter how negative it's been here on the boards the simple fact is that everyone will buy a ticket to see it opening night (in most cases) or at least opening weekend. T3 will have a huge opening weekend, whether it sucks or not. At one point before production was a gleam in the studio's eye, Arnold said that he couldn't imagine doing a Terminator film without James Cameron. The thought of career revival changed his mind. It's the same with the geek world. It's hard to imagine a Terminator film without James Cameron. The studio may have a good story with Mostow as the director but they've got some awfully big shoes to fill and story to deliver before T3 becomes legend. Not to add to the negativity, however, a quick word about U-571... awful.
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You know what, Roger Thornhill: you are right about Return of the Jedi, I think it's underappreciated. The Ewoks aren't that bad, IMHO, and the confrontation between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor is brilliant, maybe the best scenes from the entire Original Trilogy. I hope that the upcoming third installments, T3, the new Matrix movies, Return of the King, and in two year's time, Harry Potter & the prisoner of Azkaban and Star Wars ep 3, will ALL be fantastic.
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Meyer, Horn, and Robinov are notorious for championing crap. They wouldn't know a decent movie if it walked up and kicked them in the cojones with one of them Rosa Klebb spike-shoes.
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Coming from a 12 year old whos seen the film, lol. T3 will own this summer so i cant wait to visit this anti T3 site and read "I knew it would be good", "i was only joking when i said it would suck"
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Apr 19, 2003 2:31:12 PM CDT
"look at the reloaded trailoer and compare that to the matrix r
by si@yippiekiyay
Oh dear.. another 12 year old who cant spell and knows nothing about T3. again this makes me laugh, one of the reasons i visit this site
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Apr 19, 2003 4:20:00 PM CDT
The word on this film would have to be pretty doggone BAD for me
by jdanielp
I really hope that "T3" does well and for good reason, ... as in "IT BEING GOOD!" I plan to see "T3" along with the two Matrix sequels, "HULK", and "X2". -- But I really hate this "dry spell" from James Cameron, whom I'd love to see direct a major superhero (individual or team) movie. C'mon, Jim!!! Get jiggy wid it!!! (How about "Aliens 2"??? "Batman vs. Superman"???)
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i like your taste in science fiction.
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if JAMES CAMERON were involved. his day is past, he has sold his sci-fi soul for fame and fortune. no doubt that's the real reason LINDA HAMILTON left him. the trailer looked decent to me. the only original ideas left in the world are ON MY HARD DRIVE (no, not this one), which i believe i have mentioned before, but none of the hollywood idiots who surf this site will take me seriously. by the way, i work in a data center, and believe me, EVERYTHING is redundantly backed up OFFSITE.
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