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Some News On The New REN & STIMPY!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

I loved the first batch of REN & STIMPY cartoons. There are phrases from those shows that still find their way into usage between my friends and I, and when Nickelodeon wrestled control away from John K., it was heartbreaking. Here on my desk, I have a hand-drawn cartoon by John K. of Ren and Stimpy, both laughing hysterically, as Ren says, “Your last name is MCWHAT?!?!?!?!” To me, any news about his return to these characters is good news, even if it does make me sad that he and Billy West can’t work together this time out.

Hey there,

I noticed Animation Magazine has a feature on the new Ren & Stimpy show. Well, a few paragraphs actually, but apparently that was enough to warrant cover art. The 6 new episodes are aimed squarely at adult audiences, with jokes involving kicking bums in the "ball sack." Also of note, the voice cast includes John Kricfaluci & *not* Billy West. I didn't recognize the name, but my assumption is that this other guy will be voicing Stimpy. I'm not stunned since I understand Kricfaluci & West had a falling out, but it is a bit sad. The article also discusses Stripperella & Gary the Rat. All three of these shows will debut on TNN in June.

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I am Kirkunit

Thanks, man. Can’t wait to see if John K. can recapture some of the original madness that made the series so great.

"Moriarty" out.





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  • April 7, 2003, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Gross, lack of Stimpy's voice, etc.

    by 007-11

    I've watched some of the re-runs of this show and I don't know how I sat through an episode. This show was so fucking disgusting, occasionally it was really good without being vomit enducing, even when it was sick it was still good. But it was just gross as hell. Stimpy's voice is pretty key, I don't know if I can listen to someone else do the "Happy Happy Joy Joy" song. Well, we'll see.

  • April 7, 2003, 9:14 a.m. CST

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

    by Terry_1978

    I've been waiting for this, man. You have no idea how long I have been waiting(which should give you a clear idea of how much of a life I have going). Those eps. after John left the show didn't have that same kick as his, and you can tell his trademark from his work on those Yogi Bear shorts he did for CN a couple years back. Don't know the whole story, but I find it hard to believe that Billy West could actually have it in his heart to have a falling out with John K., since technically he gave the man his start, and now he's voicing too many popular characters to count as of late. I'm down with the Ripping Friends(uncut version only), though some of the plots are kinda weak. Bring on Striperella!!!!

  • April 7, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST

    No Billy West???

    by IFartOnYourGrave

    That sucks! Does anyone know what the falling out was about. I thought I saw Billy on something like VH-1 this year doing intros & outros for the old series. A thinner Billy as well. Does it have to do with John being kicked out during the run & Billy doing both voices?

  • April 7, 2003, 9:21 a.m. CST

    007-11...

    by IFartOnYourGrave

    You have to realise at the time nothing like it had ever been done or seen. They're been quite a few copycats over the years since it went off. I have to admit the 2 episodes that never aired originally (Stimpy's fart-son) turned my stomach.

  • April 7, 2003, 9:24 a.m. CST

    You look like a man who could use some rubber nipples

    by General Idea

    Joy! I had no idea they were doing new episodes. Wonder who's doing Stimpy's voice...

  • April 7, 2003, 10:17 a.m. CST

    No Billy West, eh. Hmmmm.

    by Trav McGee

    No sir, I don't like it. [Creepiest moment in toons, and, incidentally, possibly my favorite: HORSE: "...Do you have any rubber WALRUS protectors?" WALRUS: "Caaall the poliiiiice..."]

  • April 7, 2003, 10:17 a.m. CST

    First twelve episodes were some of the greatest cartoons EVER.

    by AnyaOrmsby

    Any Ren & Stimpy haters out there who didn't discover this show when it first aired back in '92 have no idea. The thing was like a fucking revelation, I shit you not. We would laugh tears of joy over and over again at gags (pun intended) like the inflated udders from "Stimpy and the Beanstalk", the ice cream sandich bit from "Space Madness", or the mysterious Crocostimpy from the Galapagos Islands. It wasn't just wacky drawings and toilet humor that made R&S great. The comic timing of those first episodes was PERFECT. Whoever put together the rescue sequence for "FireDogs" deserves a friggin' Emmy for editing (and if no such catagory exists, create it just for this one time). All that said, John's going to have a hard time recapturing the lightning in the bottle. Even when he was still on the show, it started to lose something with the Army/PowderedToastman/Pope episode. Let's hope it's closer to a Godfather 2 than a Godfather 3.

  • April 7, 2003, 10:23 a.m. CST

    So, you whizzed on the electric fence."

    by Osmosis Jones

    No Billy West will CRIPPLE this batch of new eps, Krisfaulisi or no. "I'm gonna be a MONKEY, a Monkey-monkey-MON-KEY!"

  • April 7, 2003, 10:59 a.m. CST

    The original "Ren & Stimpy" episodes were great, but "Ripping Fr

    by Elgyn6655321

    I hope John K. has still "got it". "Ripping Friends" is occasionally amusing, but too much of it seems like toilet humor just for the sake of toilet humor. "Ren & Stimpy" changed the face of American animation. EVERY single animated show since owes something to "R&S". Even "Powerpuff Girls" and "Dexter". Not to mention all the blatant copycats like "Cow & Chicken", "2 Stupid Dogs", "The Angry Beavers", etc. All the lame copycats are the reason people don`t recognize "R&S" for the classic it is.

  • April 7, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Thanks for not flaming me, but....

    by 007-11

    I was there man, I saw it all. You don't have to tell me about time and place, I lived it. And I watched all the subsequent copycats that came nipping at their heels,coughROCKOSMODERNLIFEcough. It's like Jackass, I can't watch much of that show anymore either.

  • April 7, 2003, 12:14 p.m. CST

    more than a little sad...

    by KONG33

    WHat are the details of this falling out? When you reference soemthing on a site post, you should explain it.

  • April 7, 2003, 12:34 p.m. CST

    We're not hitchhiking anymore -- we're riding!

    by Duck of Death

    After having seen Ripping Friends for the first time on DVD last weekend, I'm a lot less enthused about the prospect of new Ren & Stimpy as I might have been a few years ago. Man, was that a letdown. If RF is any indication, John K hasn't developed much as an animator, and in fact has let his penchant for gross-out jokes overwhelm any sense of comic timing or storytelling ability. It was this same problem that made John K's "Yogi the Bear" updates such a mixed bag -- he's all too willing to leach the energy out of an otherwise brilliant sequence by bookending it with pointless gross-out gags that bring the momentum of the story to a lurching halt. In retrospect, I think the heavyhanded censoring forces of Nickelodeon were the best thing that could have happened to Ren & Stimpy -- it toned down the gratuitous gross-out moments so that they had more impact when they did occur, and they allowed the other, superior comic elements of John K's style shine through. Left to his own devices, I don't know if he has the discipline or perspective to focus on what actually makes his cartoons great. Even in the original series, you could see the trend -- the first episodes were masterpieces of subtlety and originality, but toward the end of his tenure on the show, the jokes started becoming more pointless and more "gross for grossness' sake." Compare the first appearance of Powdered Toast Man to his second -- big difference, and not for the better. I've been a fan of John K's for years, so I'm still hopeful, but comments he's made about the new R&S, like "It's just like the old days -- only ruder!" don't fill me with a lot of optimism.

  • April 7, 2003, 12:34 p.m. CST

    What about the Writers?

    by KONG33

    I mean, Kricfalusi came up with everything? Are they going to try to imitate Stimpy's voice? Harry, get an INTERVIEW with John K

  • April 7, 2003, 12:54 p.m. CST

    some artists need something to push against.

    by peter1a

  • April 7, 2003, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Ren is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet

    by dougmac

    This tb just felt like it was missing something (see also: Ren has a beer and cheets on Stimpy)

  • April 7, 2003, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Chet Donnelly...

    by IFartOnYourGrave

    Did you know that they did a second movie other than "B&B do America"? I heard they were thinking about releasing it. It's been on the shelf since the first movie.

  • April 7, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST

    it could work

    by neckbone

    "The fact that you WANT to see Beavis and Butthead speaks volumes of your ignorance and incredible lack of taste", facer, did you actaully post that statement within a ren and stimpy thread? tell me you're joking?!?! like R&S, B&B was a brilliant show. i whole-heartedly agree w/ the need for B&B complete WITH their video commentaries - i suspect the licensing issues with the artists & mtv will forever render this impossible. since everyone else is weighing in w/memory lane, i'd have to say the wrestling episode was my fave. mad dog hoek and killer cadooogan!!!! beware of the always dangerous finishing move - the 'flying butt pliers'. anyone know the name of the music they played during that sequence? classic

  • April 7, 2003, 2:42 p.m. CST

    RENNNN--Tell me a story!

    by MasterShake

    John K, pleeeease include at least one Fractured Fairy tale episode.Oh, and throw in a Captain Ren and Space Cadet Stimpy episode while you're at it.

  • April 7, 2003, 3:08 p.m. CST

    "do ya have any rubber WALRUS protectors?" ".....caaaalll the po

    by XTheCrovvX

    Sorry...couldnt resist...i think everybody has their favorite R&S line......bring on new episodes...

  • April 7, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST

    No Billy?!?!?!?! Hmmmm....

    by Damitol

    I watched the show religiously back in the day and have been looking forward to the new ones since they were announced, but I have to admit that learning Billy West is not involved lessened my interest level a point or two. I've been a Billy West fan since the Howard Stern days and love his wonderful work on Futurama. Sure you can find someone who can imitate the Stimpy voice, but will they have the talent necessary to "be" Stimpy as well? A testement to Billy's talent is how seemlessly he took over John K's original Ren. Not just the sound, but the attitude as well. I'll give the new R&S a chance, but I fear it will be a little like watching more recent Warner Bros. cartoons being voiced by "not Mel Blanc".

  • April 7, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    neckbone

    by Terry_1978

    That music during the wrestling match..I forgot the name of it, but it was that piece that the old Looney Toons shorts were famous for...Ren and Stimpy had a habit of using classic toon music from WB in quite a few of their episodes, which made them all the more cool.

  • April 7, 2003, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Why aren't Kricfalusi's Mighty Mouse cartoons from the late 80's

    by RoobyRoo

    That show was great. Does anyone else remember it? The first time I saw Ren and Stimpy I thought "wow, this seems just like that Mighty Mouse show" (in style, obviously not content). I'm up for seeing some more Kricfalusi Ren and Stimpy, especially if he's allowed the freedom to be more "adult" since it's not on Nickelodeon.

  • April 7, 2003, 5:37 p.m. CST

    SPUMCO.com?

    by mzilla

    does anybody know what happened to the brilliant online home of spumco? it disappeared about a year ago.....

  • April 7, 2003, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Is it Stinky? Favorite Line from that Moon episode.

    by Corporateplant

    When the space cabbage is served.... Damn I loved this show.

  • April 7, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST

    "The terrible...fearsome... CROCOSTIMPY!"

    by Puddin' Taine

    I for one can't wait for the new John K. episodes. The show went downhill after John was booted, IMO. This is gonna be great, very good news! "Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you circus midgets."

  • April 7, 2003, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Billy west's and John K.'s falling out

    by spider-ham

    For those who don't know, What happen is after Nick fired John k, Billy West stayed on to do the voices of Ren & Stimpy. John K took it as a personal insult. There was a brief reunion on the Howard Stern show where Howard thought he was doing West a favor, trying to get the two to make up but instead it erupted in a huge fight between the three. John K even got personal and brought Billy's wife into the argument. I honestly don't think the two will ever work together again.

  • April 7, 2003, 9:25 p.m. CST

    I actually used a Ren and Stimpy quote in my high school year bo

    by Mad_Radhu

    In the section where they get the quotes from the graduating seniors, which are usually always just a bunch of "deep" words of wisdom from 17-year olds, I gave the timeless advice "Remember, don't whizz on the electric fence." This was made all the funnier by the fact that I was the valedictorian.

  • April 7, 2003, 9:57 p.m. CST

    CONNECTING THE DOTS

    by TomVee

    "EVERY single animated show since owes something to "R&S". Even "Powerpuff Girls" and "Dexter". Not to mention all the blatant copycats like "Cow & Chicken", "2 Stupid Dogs", "The Angry Beavers", etc." I agree wholeheartedly. You can feel, even taste and touch, the R&S influence on all of these shows, even when they appear to have no direct connection to R&S, like "Dexter" and "Spongebob."

  • April 7, 2003, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Billy West rules

    by Tall_Boy

    his voice work on Futurama was amazing. the original Ren and Stimpy cartoons ruled as well. hopefully one outta 2 isn't bad, but Billy West's vocal craziness is what makes him gold.

  • April 7, 2003, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Ren and Stimpy started the whole gross out humor trend on animat

    by Terry_1978

    cartoon shows didn't really start getting that "adult" humor until Ren and Stimpy, with their bathtub bubbles and mucuous hanging from every pore.

  • April 7, 2003, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Hey, yeah, couldja bring back Invader Zim while you're at it?

    by SpacePhil

    ... yeah.

  • April 7, 2003, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Answer for neckbone re: Ren & Stimpy music

    by Osmosis Jones

    I don't know the exact tune you're referring to in the wrestling ep, but a lot of R&S episodes featured music by Raymond Scott, a 30's jazz musician who's bizzare little compositions later found new life in Carl Stalling's brilliant Looney Toons scores ("Powerhouse" would always accompany any scene involving a conveyor belt, for instance). The thing about R&S is that it used the actual, archival 30's recordings of Scott's music. There's a great CD, "Reckless Nights & Turkish Twilights", that collects some of Scott's finest work from the period.

  • April 7, 2003, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Who would win in a fight: Ren or the Taco Bell Chihuahua?

    by Darth Christ

    That damn mongrel stole Ren's identity and we all know it!

  • April 7, 2003, 11:42 p.m. CST

    LOL..and Ren stole his personality from Kirk Douglas

    by Terry_1978

    John K. said in an interview I read in Wizard a few years back that he based him on Kirk Douglas from Spartacus.

  • April 8, 2003, 12:08 a.m. CST

    POWDERED TOAST MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by BlackBeltJones

    If they have Powdered Toast Man in it, I am there. But you have to get Gary Owens for it to be perfect.

  • April 8, 2003, 12:38 a.m. CST

    so 1991

    by mr. smith

    yeah, i thought r&s was fricking genius 12 years ago. had a couple of t-shirts.(who didn't?) wish the ex hadn't stolen them. really don't think i could care less anymore. but if they really want to do this right(and they won't, whichever way you look at it) john k. and billy just neet to change their diapers and give this a real shot. it didn't work without john as ren and it wont work without billy as stimpy. oh, well. it is 12 years later, after all. maybe john k. should try something NEW... oh and by the way... fuck the naysayers - Beavis and Butthead rocked in it's day. even frank zappa thought so...

  • April 8, 2003, 12:52 a.m. CST

    fra-la-laaaaaa... fra-la-frolic! Pluckypluckypluckyplucky!!!

    by empyreal0

    Ah, the show that really proved that Nick was not only gross, not only crazy, but on some really powerful crack.

  • April 8, 2003, 1:35 a.m. CST

    TNN BETTER NOT SQUASH THESE DOWN AND HAVE THAT STUPID BLACK BAR

    by Smeg For Brains

    I despise TNN because they have to distort every show on the network and leave that pathetic black bar at the bottom of the screen. I can't watch it. As a visual artist myself, I am constantly looking at form and composition differently than the average person, and the squashing effect is too much. It is impossible for me to NOT see the distortion. Sure, the average Baywatch fan wouldn't care, but then again they are watching Baywatch. Any animation fan should write TNN and demand that these shows be UNSQUASHED! Why is it that the same people who would never want to watch a widescreen movie would not care about the squashing and black bars on TNN and a few other idiotic cable channels?

  • April 8, 2003, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Has nobody mentioned the brilliant parody that was "log"?

    by empyreal0

    It's better than bad, it's good!

  • April 8, 2003, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Also about the brilliance of Beavis and Butthead.

    by Smeg For Brains

    Anyone who thinks Beavis and Butthead was a stupid show doesn't understand. Sure a lot of idiots liked it for the stupidity, but that show was very intelligent. The earliest episodes were mostly about the stupidity, but after a short while, they had nothing else to do, and started focusing on the OTHER people around B&B. Not focusing the story on them, but the stories are all about how regular people react to B&B. It is a great commentary on the real people out there who are actually like B&B. Of course those same people liked the show because they thought B&B were "cool". The real humor is in what happens around B&B. Mike Judge didn't start the show off like that on accident. He is extremely intelligent, and obviously wouldn't just do idiotic stuff for no reason. Heck the entire B&B movie is nothing but a cross country look at how people react to B&B. Also, look at Office Space. Goofy, yes, but extremely intelligent, and very well thought out. It is the most honest portrayal of office life out there. Wacky, but totally grounded in reality. King of the Hill is the same way. As weird as the stories might be they are incredible glances into real life things that everyone can relate to.

  • April 8, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Ren! you're sticky with filth.

    by Jack Ryder

    loved the first batch of shows but by the "Haunted House" and Stimpy's son" episodes it had lost a lot of it's charm. If you can find a copy of the George Liquor buys Ren & Stimpy at a pet store ep.,grab it! But if Ripping Friends is a good gage of how he writes now (even though he was pushing it as his next project after R&S 10 years ago.) then it might have been best to leave us those first great eps. John K. has got to have the biggest ego ever, he got mad at Nickelodeon for telling him to tone down his cartoon, That he was producing for a CHILDREN'S channel. he feels betrayed by Billy West for not walking away from his first REAL job away from the Howard Stern show ( yes, I'm sure someone else could do Larry from the stooges voice, but no one else ever thought of doing it before West). And he doesn't even see how important it would be to get West back. not that he'd come back, but it would be nice if he gave ANYBODY else some credit for R&S's success. Speaking of credit,is Bob Camp (is that the right name?) working on the new ,toons? He did a lot of the story boards and directing on those old eps. too.

  • April 8, 2003, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Of course it will work without Billy West

    by St.Buggering

    You people are giving the guy way too much credit. Yes, his Stimpy was great, but he's just a voice. What made "Ren & Stimpy" work was the writing and the art. There are literally hundreds of voice actors out there who can do what West does.

  • I'll make you wizz on the elkectric fence, brother!

  • April 8, 2003, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Anybody who even dares to suggest R&S sucks is a bloated sack of

    by Wild At Heart

    You poor bastards...I really do pity you. Granted, during its laziest and leanest Kricfalusi-less period R&S could be awfully lacklustre, but at its ZENITH it was a thing of pulchritudinous magnificence that simply blew all else away. And it was more than just gross fart 'n snot jokes too. 'Stimpy's Fan Club', where Ren plunges into an abyss of despair and murderous psychosis when faced with the stark reality that nobody likes him, except his sweet-natured idot-pal Stimpy, is cartoon bliss and an utter classic. And the style that Kricfalusi defined - the extraordinary complex range of character expressions and poses - has become the template for every 'out-there' animated show since!By all means bring some constructive criticism to the table, as many have, but piss off with the inane BITCHING or I'll beat you up with my hee-yuge pectoral muscles.

  • April 8, 2003, 5:15 p.m. CST

    billy west vs. john-k

    by milpheyyu

    is r&s going to be horrible without west? i think the nixing of john-k from the original is a million times worse than west from this one.

  • April 8, 2003, 6:50 p.m. CST

    West was important to Ren and Stimpy.

    by Smeg For Brains

    It was worse to get rid of John K., the soul behind the show, but West will be missed. All of Stimpys vocalizations were West's creation (Imagine how Stimpy said "just how you like it!" to Ren when he asked if the cabbage was stinky. You can write that in a script, but not the way he said it. I'm sure West came up with all of those readings). Anybody doing Stimpy now will just be doing an impersonation of West, and though it may be passable, it will mean that we are missing out on anything new and funny West could bring to the show. Anyone who has seen his brilliant work on Futurama will know that he is an incredibly creative voice artist, and the character of Stimpy belonged to him. That is how animation works. Once the writers get to know the way the voice actors do the characters they start tailoring the writing to what will work best with the actor. The actor shapes the character as much as the writing. Of course they could find an equally good unknown actor to do the new Stimpy, and it could be just as good. Different, but just as good. Here's to hoping for the best, AND NO GOD DAMN BLACK BAR SHIT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN TNN YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 9, 2003, 12:09 p.m. CST

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  • April 9, 2003, 10:43 p.m. CST

    somebody please remind me WTF "Ripping Friends" was...

    by mr. smith

    'cause i think i remember it but am not sure...

  • April 9, 2003, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Ripping Friends...

    by Smeg For Brains

    ...was Spumco's last TV show. It was about a group of manly super hero brothers, who were all 32, except the runt (who was 31), because that is the manliest age. It was very much gross out humour, but quite different from Ren and Stimpy. It was more along the lines of what they used to do with Powdered Toast Man. It was good, but not great. Uncut episodes air on Cartoon Network in the Adult Swim block on Sundays.

  • April 9, 2003, 11:44 p.m. CST

    I know John K, he's no egomanic

    by Hate_Speech

    furthest from it really. Very introverted guy with a great sense of humor and wit. For you to state he's an egomaniac is laughable. I too look forward to the new cartoons. "It is not I who am crazy, eeet is I who is MAAAAAAAAAAD!"

  • April 11, 2003, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Dehhh...HE IS OLLY, YOU ARE SVEN!

    by K0NY

    "Hey Sven, let's play Circus! I'll be the sword swallower. GULP!" and with that line, Ren & Stimpy were changed forever. Fortunately for me, I was dating a hunchback chick that worked at Nickelodeon at the time. She got me all the free R&S tapes a guy could want. She also unplugged her fridge every time she left her apartment. Oh well.

  • April 12, 2003, 5:52 p.m. CST

    OH YEAH!!!

    by Halloween68

    Ren and Stimpy is the funniest animated show ever. "Every day it's walk d' fly, walk d' fly..."