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What Is DELGO, And Why Did Moriarty Have To Go To Atlanta To Learn More?!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

Several weeks back, I took a trip to Atlanta. As with many of my adventures of the last few years, this one began with a call from The Dude.

That phone call in early 2001 summoned me to a restaurant to meet Marc Adler and Jennifer Jones. I learned a long time ago what when Jeff “The Dude” Dowd calls, you need to go and see what he’s calling about. His whole job is to find things that other people are going to be talking about in a few years, and to identify those things now. He’s a talent scout, an artist’s rep, a pipeline for people who are trying to get attention for deserving projects. All he told me up front about Adler and Jones is that they were part of an independent animated film, and that I’d like them. Over lunch, he busied himself with a plateful of salmon, and Adler was the one left doing all the talking, a mile a minute, as he told me about his vision for something called DELGO.

Jennifer, a charming Southern belle, gave me an art package with some early designs to look at. I looked everything over later, and what struck me most was that they had a hell of a long road ahead of them. It seemed ambitious, but at that point, it seemed like they were just getting started, and I held off writing about the film because, to be honest, I wasn’t sure it was really a film yet.

As time passed, I would peek in at their website on occasion. They were trying something unusual and even potentially deadly for a small start-up company, opening themselves up to scrutiny from the outside, inviting it even. They were posting their progress online, and not in the form of sanitized press releases or occasional images. They were actually using their site to post dailies, rough footage, fragments of animation as they were being scrutinized, polished, and reworked.

About eight months ago, I got a call from Jennifer, her honeysuckle accent instantly recognizable. She told me Marc was going to be in Los Angeles and wanted to update me on the film’s progress face to face. We met at Jerry’s Deli by the Beverly Center, where I arrived early enough to be able to watch Heather Donahue of BLAIR WITCH PROJECT fame meeting with several people. She was polished, prettier than I remembered, and there was a desperate quality to her manner in the meeting that I could pick up five tables away. Seeing her there and realizing just how completely she vanished after that first burst of fame was a stark reminder of the fickle nature of this business, and I was in the midst of some business turmoil of my own at the time. As a result, I was a wee bit melancholy when Marc showed up, and we ended up talking frankly about how much longer the film was taking them than they originally thought it would. He was, if anything, more dedicated to the project than before, though. It was like the hard lessons had given him fuel to continue. It was obvious that a few year’s worth of work had been an education for everyone associated with the film, and that there was still a hell of a lot of hard work to be done.

Which brings us full-circle, back to that trip to Atlanta, where I finally got a look at what Adler and his associates are up to.

The trip was Marc’s idea. After our lunch together, Marc got it in his head to bring me in so he could show me the studio, so I could meet his collaborators, and so he could preview some of the marketing materials for me. There was an apparent sense of pride in his descriptions of the work they were doing, but a description only goes so far. I wanted to go, but my schedule made it a problem several times. It was only through extraordinary effort on the part of Jennifer Jones that we finally found two free days where I could visit, and I found myself flying into Atlanta late on a Thursday night.

A lovely temperate Los Angeles afternoon left me totally unprepared for the snow in the air when I stepped out of the Atlanta airport. Marc was there to meet me himself, even though it was after midnight. One of the things I determined over the course of the trip is that Marc, like me, never sleeps. He dropped me off at my hotel, and when Jennifer picked me up the next morning, she told me that Marc was already at the office.

That office turned out to be several floors of a nearby building, where Marc’s primary business is housed. Macquarium is part web-design, part advertising agency, and they’ve won awards for their multi-million dollar campaigns and serviced some major corporate clients. Marc’s one of those guys who, no matter what you’ve accomplished and how young you are, will make you feel like you’ve been wasting your time. He’s rolling in dough, he’s younger than I am, and his social life seems to be a sort of delicious blur. And on top of all of it, he’s happy with what he’s doing. As he showed me around Macquarium, I saw a different Marc than I’d seen before. He was in his element, and I could see how he’d managed to build this company and his client base.

”This is what convinced me to work here in the first place,” Jennifer said as we headed to the ground floor of the building, where they’ve got a state of the art digital screening room. This is where I got my first glimpse of many at the state of DELGO right now, which I guess raises the question for you, the reader:

Just what the hell is DELGO, anyway?

Well, it’s the culmination of Marc Adler’s lifelong dream, for one thing.

It’s also an independently financed feature-length computer animated film.

It’s a fantasy story about tolerance and understanding, and it’s a bit of a test case to see if a regionally located producer can stand toe to toe and compete with PDI, Blue Sky, Pixar, or even Disney.

It’s a Quixotic effort, a swing for the back wall of the ballpark, and as long a long shot as long shots get.

And maybe... just maybe... it’s going to work.

As I walked from room to room at Fathom Studios, the animation arm of Macquarium, I paid close attention to the desks of each of the animators. I love how creative people wear their influences, surrounding themselves with things they love or that have meaning for them, decorating their workspaces so as to kickstart the artistic impulse. One after another, the animators I spoke with talked about Pixar in the same reverent tones that were once reserved for mention of Disney’s Nine Old Men. Today, it’s guys John Lassiter and Andrew Stanton and Joe Ranft who cast long shadows over everyone else working in the medium.

I didn’t even have to look on the desk of Jason Maurer to sniff out a particular title that I mentioned to him, and his broad smile was answer enough. “Oh, man, I love THE DARK CRYSTAL,” he said, and he was able to quickly produce his DVD copy out of a stack of pretty much every major (or minor, for that matter) fantasy film from the last 20 years. DELGO’s got a surprisingly dense and alien ecosystem, one of my favorite things about their design of the world. If you take a look at the trailer for the film, it’s that ecosystem that you’ll see first. Another similarity I noticed when looking at the footage was to the ODDWORLD line of videogames. The story for DELGO, written by Adler, Jones, and Maurer, looks like it plays safely within the basic Josephy Campbell/STAR WARS archetype, but the look of the film is definitely post-Playstation-chic. And that’s not a put-down. I’m genuinely impressed by what this team is putting together with such a small staff. Hell... I’m inspired by it.

Back in the early ‘90s, Harry Lime and I worked with a pair of close friends of ours to try and get an independent animated film off the ground. We had some nibbles, interest expressed at different times to different degrees by different companies. What kept the doors closed was the inevitable moment when the numbers got crunched. No matter how excited we got them creatively, they would choke on the real figures involved, and that would be that. Even the best-case scenarios were cripplingly expensive. There’s a technological infrastructure required before a single frame of film can be created, and in most cases, that’s just too much for people to attempt.

One of the reasons Peter Jackson’s LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy was possible is because of the warm-up work WETA did on the HERCULES and XENA series. Fathom’s the same way, producing animation for broadcast and industrial clients since 1994. They took two years creating a proof-of-concept test, ninety seconds of animation that gave Adler and his team the confidence and the financial muscle to take on the challenge of making a movie completely outside the Hollywood system.

They’re just now recording the actual cast performances. Michael Clarke Duncan is the first cast member announced, and they recently recorded his work here in LA. This is an important step for Fathom. They’ve got to start thinking about distribution now and how they’re going to market the film, not only to the eventual audiences, but also to the companies they’re going to need if they’re ever going to get the film into theaters. They’re signing recognizable, bankable names, and they’re going to roll their cast announcements out gradually, trying to get maximum bang for their bucks.

Right now, the thing I would encourage you to spend time looking at, particularly if you’re interested in the technological side of animation, is the Digital Dailies. What you’ll see is a group of people all working together to do something that accepted wisdom says they shouldn’t be able to do. Normally, when people talk about independent films, they’re talking about dark, edgy material for adults. DELGO may be an optimistic fable aimed squarely at an all-audiences market, but make no mistake: it’s as risky as anything that unspooled at Sundance this year, if not more so based on the size of the stakes they’re gambling.

And if that risk pays off in the end, then maybe ten years from now, some other group of determined artists will be citing Marc Adler and Jason Maurer and the entire DELGO crew as their inspiration as they follow their own dreams.

Special thanks to Jeff Dowd and Jennifer Jones for their help in putting this piece together.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • April 3, 2003, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Fascinating tidbits, but a little more info would be nice

    by Heleno

    You know, a bit more on the plot or something and less musing on life the universe and everything? Also, wasn't Heather Donahue in Taken recently? So she can't be THAT desperate - can she?

  • April 3, 2003, 5:18 a.m. CST

    looks good

    by Lazarus Long

    trailer is cool, seems like it has much more heart than Final Fantasy. Let's hope it actually has a decent script, because if FF could do any business, this is going to require some great word of mouth. Any independent group taking on Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, whoever gets a thumbs up in my book.

  • April 3, 2003, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Looks...well, OK...

    by Dog Of Mystery

    I'll wait until the final product comes out before I criticize the dialogue...but damn fine animation on an indy budget!

  • April 3, 2003, 8:24 a.m. CST

    nice work! strange character design though... may grow on me

    by quamb

    the characters look a little too 'friendly'- though that is some TIGHT work being done there. cant wait for the final product!

  • April 3, 2003, 8:25 a.m. CST


    by wgrubb

    there's a lot more coming, so keep an eye out for cast announcements, new glimpses into the heart of the story, etc. it's so hard to fit it all in a trailer.

  • April 3, 2003, 8:32 a.m. CST

    How very interesting...

    by EvilNight

    I for one am looking forward to the day when the bar gets low enough to let in a crowd of fresh blood. This is the sort of thing I'd be doing for fun if I had won the lottery. ;) I wonder if they are looking for writers...

  • April 3, 2003, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Looks cool!

    by nottoo

    Very nice to see something different. Cudos for the underdog who is dedicated enough to make dreams a reality.

  • April 3, 2003, 9:55 a.m. CST

    This is the kind of thing websites like this should be supportin

    by AnyaOrmsby

    I hope other sites follow your lead here. The images for this film look great. The story seems a little routine, but as long as it's told well, that's what matters. Movies like this (and Waking Life, Spirited Away, Etc.) should be supported if only to open more avenues of expression through animation. There's a virtual monopoly on animation. Most of what we see is kid stuff. Nothing wrong with the kid stuff, but here's hoping the medium will be afforded the space to expand into adult fantasy, drama, horror, romance, and even docudrama. The possibilities are endless.

  • April 3, 2003, 10:30 a.m. CST

    by fattestcat

    any (animated) features produced by new studios is a good thing. i hope they add something new to the mix though. i remember when dreamworks released "prince of egypt" i thought it was pretty heavy compared to the disney stuff but, i think they've gone a little too mainstream with subsequent releases. it's always healthy to have a broad range of studios, as long as they all create diverse films. no point having a dozen different studios churning out the same old sh1t & competing for the same audience. anywayz, i hope them the best.

  • April 3, 2003, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Best of luck cracking the glass ceiling

    by turk128

    Looks very Oddworld-ish and look how sucessful that franchise is. The characters remind me of those Warriors of Virtue kangaroos, too. Man, this is just asking for a game conversion.

  • April 3, 2003, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Self-Promoting Egotistical Fraud

    by no1monkey

    I can tell you right off the bat this movie has been in concept so long that it is laughable. The story itself is like something a child would write which is more or less what Adler is. He has been backed by his well financed father for years. If you knew the inner workings of his business you would understand how hard it is for his biz model to make any money. Let alone pay for all of the yes-people he employs. The guy has bank and certainly enough to pay 5 or more employess to sit around for at least 4 years making, well nothing we havent seen before. When and if this movie ever gets made the original work done on it will be so stale they will have to do it over again just to make it look current. Oh yeah. Everyone gets the tour of that studio. I bet the fake security guard scared the hell out of you.

  • April 3, 2003, 11:12 a.m. CST

    CGI in the next five years

    by imageburn13

    Will become some shit that will blow our colloective FUCKING minds. We're gonna see fully rendered WORLDS and CREATURES that we cannot even fathom yet...the future is shaping up nicely.

  • April 3, 2003, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Moriarty, you bastard!

    by rev_skarekroe

    You came to Atlanta and you didn't call me? Every night our baby says "Mommy, when is Daddy coming home?" and I have to say "I don't know, child. I don't know." sk

  • April 3, 2003, noon CST

    Looks cool. . .too bad though

    by BigPoppi

    For an independent production this looks great. However, since it's animated it will automatically not do as well as it should. It will be concieved as a kids flick and it looks to me like it's dealing with issues and situations that are of an adult nature. That's the problem. Look at other films like this made by the "Big Boys": Atlantis, Titan A.E., Treasure Planet. All of them tanked. We just haven't learned that animation is just as viable a medium for expressing adult themes and situations and making valid points on said themes and situations yet. Hopefully some day we will. But, I'm not holding my breath.

  • April 3, 2003, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Who cares where the $ came from? It's cool!

    by jamie_892000

    I don't give a rats ass if Mark got the dough from his dad or the lottery. He's using it to make a movie. That's the cool part. I say good luck and congratulations to Delgo! The animation looks great and I like the postings on the site-bold move! Can't wait to see more!

  • April 3, 2003, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Don't worry about these ignorant class Warriors, guys...

    by Dagan

    There couldn't be anything more irrelevant than where the money is coming from. Who cares? What matters is that somebody is using his resources to pursue a dream - trying to do something that very few people have ever attempted, and forging ahead despite the challenges. This is the kind of thing that makes the human spirit such a wonderful thing. Judge this endeavor on its balls, grit and effort for now, as that's currently all we have to go on. Judge it on the film once we actually get to see it. Again, jealousy of somebody's good fortune only makes you look like an ass, class warriors.

  • April 3, 2003, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Super Cool! Knock Em Dead Delgo!

    by alias_90002000

    This is what AICN is all about! What a great site. Thanks for telling us about it Moriarty. The movie looks super cool. I can't wait to see more! I can't believe this came from an indy. If this has even a little success it can change the genre so much. What a world we live in, eh? To everyone at Delgo-keep it up!

  • April 3, 2003, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I care where the money comes from.

    by no1monkey

    It's a matter of positioning. He plays himself off as if he is some independent genius. The truth is he is not. This is not some small struggling studio. This place is well financed and could afford to do better. It's one thing when a small studio puts out something with love and really struggle. It shows in the work. It's a completely different thing when a well financed studio puts out a body of work. Is it entertainment? Yes. It will be judged differently by critics and it should. That is why I wonder why this is being posittioned like it's some little picture. It's cost millions at this point hasnt it. Between the studio and all of the people and all of the time. (Should we believe that Marc went out and courted all fo this money or that he made it in the internet business. Shouldnt that money have gone to keeping that business afloat during the collapse. What about Mister Art?) I mean come on Jamie. Just cause you work there doesnt mean you should overlook the truth or except subterfuge. This movie is about what every other "Hollywood" picture is about. Money and Ego. Dont sell me shit and tell me it's bubblegum.

  • April 3, 2003, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to see more!

    by sam_simatie

    This is great animation! The trailer looks fun, lots of action. I wonder what the age group is, seems more for young boys than for girls, but that's not necesarly a bad thing. The characters are very cool. Never seen anything like it. I like the fighting in air. That's cool. Good luck to Delgo! And, Moriarty, how can I get a phone number for Jenifer? I got to hear that voice!

  • April 3, 2003, 12:39 p.m. CST filthy whore....

    by CutterJohnn

    ...did the hookers in Atlanta give you a discount out of professional curtousy? I bet they could have flown you there, wined and dined you and then shown you a shoe box filled with their own shit and you would have proclamed it "Ground breaking, innovative art...the trend of all art in the future!!!" I could see this getting some positive feedback from "joe blow" off the street who didn't know any better. But from you...well it's just sad. This, to me, is proof that you guys truelly are nothing but a bunch of sellouts offering your oppinions to the highest bidder.

  • April 3, 2003, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by josh_mayer2000

    I went to this site a long time ago and was impressed then. Now they have so much more on there! The new trailer is fantastic! It's cool to get the story on these folks. They must have brass balls a plenty! Hope the story holds up, can't really tell too much from what you gave us, but the characters look fantastic. It's about time they started getting the attention they deserve!

  • April 3, 2003, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Cool trailer

    by franko

    I'd get very stoned and go see this movie. I for one don't care where the money comes from -- more power to you for following a dream. Good luck with it (though I do agree that animated films with adult themes/characters have struggled to find an audience lately -- TITAN A.E., TREASURE PLANET, FINAL FANTASY, etc.).

  • April 3, 2003, 2:38 p.m. CST

    This Has Nothing To Do With Delgo, But...

    by JackCarter2000

    The Matrix Reloaded is debuting at Cannes. It's strange that AICN hasn't said a word about it yet, hopefully they'll post a tidbit in the coming hours. No news on Kill Bill...but it's still pretty cool, ain't it Harry? Hehehe.

  • April 3, 2003, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Go Delgo Go!

    by ryan_suso

    This movie looks cool as hell! And if it is a theme of judge people by what's on the inside, I don't know why you think that doesn't work for all ages, hello, Shrek? At least this looks original and fun. Frankly, you all sound like a bunch of bitching and moaning ex-employees who think trashing Mark will help your sorry asses. I say it looks cool and as far as the story, we gotta wait and see the final movie.

  • April 3, 2003, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Let me guess, evilrara...

    by numberface

    a) You were fired from this company. b) You were rivals with the guy who made it when you were kids. c)You're a jilted ex-girlfriend. d)You want to blow the guy who made it, but he's not into you. He may be a "spoilt rich kid" but the truth is he's doing it and you're posting on talkback. WHO'S THE LOSER NOW???

  • April 3, 2003, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Looks cool.

    by dead_eye_dick_02

    This looks very cool. Wild to see they have Michael Clark Duncan. Hope Delgo has success, would be great for animation. Let us know more you can.

  • April 3, 2003, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Ladies and germs, I present the next STAR WARS!!!

    by Skylord2

    George Lucas, eat your heart out. I've been a Star Wars fan since I was 7. That's 26 years. I think that Delgo is now going to become to the...ummm...00's what STAR WARS was to the 70's (and 80's). I can' twait for this flick.

  • April 3, 2003, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by Prankster

    Moriarty is the guy who brought "Iron Giant" to all our attentions...but...I have to admit, the stuff I'm actually seeing about this film doesn't really inspire me. If it was some daringly original film, something that tried to push the boundaries of animation in a way that Disney or its ilk wouldn't have the guts to do, then I'd say rock on. But unfortunately, animators often tend to be rather myopic people without a strong sense of original stories, who'd rather pack a film with geeky stuff than bother to make something that could really appeal to the average viewer. This film, I'm afraid, looks like more of this. The thing that makes Pixar and other great animation studios so great is that they go in a direction that's at once fresh and accessible to all. But this "Delgo" seems like the kind of inbred anime/Playstation/RPG stuff that gives geeks a bad name. Question: if this movie's concept was broken down into 50 words or less, would it seem comprehensible and interesting? If so, then go for it. But you have to admit, even "The Dark Crystal" (unquestionably a masterpiece) must have looked pretty limp as a script--what saved it were the stunning and original visuals and the sense of a fleshed-out alien "world". But what I see on the "Delgo" site are some pretty darned ugly character designs, and some graphics that (while impressive at times) don't seem much different than your average Playstation game. The thing is, there are actually a LOT of these kinds of projects kicking around out there--plenty of animaton studios want to produce a film. The trouble is, most of them are unimaginative crap, which is why they can't get funding. (There's a reason "Toy Story" was willingly funded by Disney--it was very well-written.) I fear "Delgo" is more of the same, but of course I'll wait and see...

  • April 3, 2003, 3:39 p.m. CST

    DARK CRYSTAL rocks

    by Cyco_Clown

    Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal is one of my favorite childhood movies, it's visuals and creature design are still some of the best ever on fantasy films and the music was awesome. About Delgo, the trailer is looking great, the story seems to borrow pieces of many other films but I'll reserve judgement when I see the final cut. Good luck for the Delgo team. Support independent animation!

  • April 3, 2003, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Kicks Ass!

    by Brett_williamson

    I haven't seen anything like this since Dark Crystal and Neverending Story. I think the trailer kicks ass! Can't tell too much on the story but it looks like fun to me. There's something I saw from a company in Seattle that was coming out too. I don't remember the name of it, but I'm pretty sure it was an indy to. If anyone knows, shout it out. But, good luck to the guys at Delgo. Looks great to me!

  • April 3, 2003, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Its not very good...

    by figgpuddy@yahoo.

    I don't want to sound negative...but I've seen more than the showreal and the people who are saying negative things about the film are right. It is not very good.

  • April 3, 2003, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Way Cool

    by R_Minor

    This is very cool! I can't believe their making this independently. The characters are wild and different. I loved this! I can't wait to see the whole thing!

  • April 3, 2003, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I'm applying to this actually!!!

    by empyreal0

    Computer animator in Maya applying for this

  • April 3, 2003, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by Ray Garraty #47

    Uh. I just watched the trailer for this piece of shit and I realized that the cutscenes during the XBOX game "Halo" actually look better. It's a shame that people are working so hard on will not succeed. When I got to the DELGO homepage I immediately felt gay just for looking at it.

  • April 3, 2003, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Losers everywhere eh?

    by no1monkey

    If posting on this makes you a loser than well everyone here is a loser I guess. As far as being negative about this film well... it is a bad story and mediocre animation already. Plus this has taken years to do. Plus in Animation voice work comes first. If you dont do that it just will never look right. it's just true. Do not compare this with Shrek. A very well executed film. Please feel free to compare it with Treasure Planet and Titan AE. They both stunk up the place and I am a big Joss Whedon and Ben Edlund fan. By the way. Who dares compare this with Star Wars. Even if you made this Delgo it is just sad to say something like that. I mean come on? Have a little dignity. Also to all of the employees posting to this site. I hope Marc is paying you for each one. Suck that shiny bald man dry. I dont really care where the money comes from either. Just so long as he doesnt lie about it. You know like his fake Mercedes or the staged presentations that you do when the media comes aorund.

  • April 3, 2003, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Naysayers, get off it. This is great! I want in! Fathom Studi

    by empyreal0

    The scope of this story is absolutely fantastic for an independently funded project. I really hope this does well. Really well, if for no other reason than to reward the hard efforts of all the artists involved and to encourage this kind of thing in the future. THIS is where I'd like to be working (instead of doing odd graphics work for video production places around here and making various short animated films.) And as for all the naysayers, I'd love to see you do better. Honestly. Get out there and do some animation yourself for a while and see just how marvelous you are. Stop fucking around with your Flash, your Poser and your Bryce, and maybe try your hands at a real program or two. Pick up a pencil and draw something. Until you're a senior animator at Pixar, you have absolutely no room to talk. What I saw in this trailer, though a bit stiffer than your typical Pixar production, was nothing short of spectacular for such a small operation, and I'd personally like nothing more than to be a part of it.

  • April 3, 2003, 5:45 p.m. CST

    No room to talk

    by no1monkey

    Ummm just because you dont animate doesnt mean you cant judge if you think it is good or not. By your thinking if I dont make soda I can tell you that I like Pepsi or not. By the way if you want a job at this place you might want to prepare yourself for long spells of doing nothing.

  • April 3, 2003, 6:34 p.m. CST

    All I can say is wow.

    by elbow_gator

    This is a great article in the middle of all the other Hollywood hype! The trailer is exciting. More power to the Delgo team for making this happen! Can't wait to see more. Hope the other film sites will pick up on it.

  • April 3, 2003, 6:47 p.m. CST

    More Powerful than Ghandi. Better than Cats. More Pathos thhan S

    by no1monkey

    Gosh this film is so good I cant wait to take all 12 of my children to see it. A real triumph for the little guy. God you people. Your just as original as I remember you. Jason when are you going to get that albatross off your neck?

  • April 3, 2003, 9:34 p.m. CST

    worst cg flick ever

    by delgo_suks

    Well, I didn't know so many of us who work for Jason and Adler hated this project. Just to give you an idea of how good this project could have been. Fathom recently LAID OFF there best talent. When they say there under 50 or under 150 in staff, what they really mean is under 20! They laid off seven people who are now at places like: Blur, Digital Domain, Disney, DreamWorks, and ReelFX just to name a few! They had four others quit, including our best character animator and our best TD. We only had two art directors, one quit and the other was LAID OFF as well. I know of no company that looses all there art directors before VO has been recorded. And did you see there movie poster credit list. Directed by Adler, Written by Adler, Produced by Adler. Maybe Adler should work long hours for low pay and make up for the talent he got rid of!

  • April 3, 2003, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Marc Adler, Super Genius.

    by no1monkey

    I have been out of Atlanta for a few years and when I came back there was a cover story in the local paper about this film. I actually laughed out loud because I couldnt believe it wasnt done yet. That he wasnt done yet. How did they survive the bubbleburst? Then to hear him pushing to get done the same film that he hasnt gotten produced in what 5 years? I mean what is the hold up? Is he hoping for some huge Gone With the Wind opening at The Fox? Is wasnt due to not having enough people do work on it. Was it? Actually I think it was his ego and overwhelming social calender. Trying to make himself into an local Atlanta media darling. Yep! Marc Adler, Super Genius.

  • April 3, 2003, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Its too bad.....

    by mrpooh

    Yeah..... I was one of those laid off back in December and I can speak for the rest of us when I say it was the best thing that ever happened to us. We all landed at the best companies in the industry. It was disappointing not to finish the project......I dont like leaving things in the middle of production. But I still have some artist friends there and hope them the best....... And that "elbow_gator" sounds like there PR chick at Fathom....her favorite movie was albino alligator... ah well...

  • April 4, 2003, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Hey, have you SEEN Heavy Metal2k?

    by turk128

    Talk about an ego trip, I know your wife is fine and all but there's no excuse to making bad animated T&A. I mean, animaters dream of being able to animate hot ass babes but I think all the animators on HM2k was either gay or from the same sweat shop that animates Reign.*****As for Shrek, they didn't even have a script! They kept on changing the story up until the due date loomed. It was just a bunch of cool jokes and ideas clobbered together by very talented people, reminds me alot of the classic WB :)

  • April 4, 2003, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Hey, "Delgo sux"...

    by empyreal0's taking them 4 or 5 years? Maybe I should write them and tell them that I just finished a 30-minute special effects flick that took me and 1 other friend 3 1/2 years - that aughta be a selling point. Seriously tho, if they've fired tons o talent, I'll go there. I'm noob. I've oodles of talent and little experience (and I'm humble too). I'll work long hours. I don't care. It's a foot in someone's door. Frankly, I'm sick of the freelance in Phoenix thing. My degree means nothing here. So right now... I'll take anything and this is a whole lot better than 'anything'.

  • April 4, 2003, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Main characters faces look like the Master Control Program from

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    You will be de-rezzed, Flynn. END OF LINE.

  • April 4, 2003, 3 a.m. CST

    Character Designs are Unique

    by Pyner

    Dunno if their dog, lizzard, ape or something else...but I like.

  • April 4, 2003, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Interesting, but....................

    by The Dude Abides

    The story sounds kinda weak and I'm a bigger fan of more sinister-looking villains. I kind of felt like they were going for a Maleficent approach, but just didn't pull it off. Best of luck!

  • April 4, 2003, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Go Moriarty!

    by Scuba_Steve

    These R the kind of stories that make AICN great. Never heard of this film before and am not an animation buff but if this flick ever makes it to a theatre near me they've got my $7 (well, $5 with my student discout).

  • April 4, 2003, 3:35 a.m. CST

    1 small step for creativity

    by larryboy

    ...1 huge leap for creative people. This project sounds way coool! If a smal group of tinsel-town outsiders can do this today, it's only a matter of time till 1 guy in a barn in Kansas will create the next Shrek. And, yes, I liked Simone - so fuck you if you dont.

  • April 4, 2003, 3:51 a.m. CST

    More power to them!!!

    by Azlam Orlandu

    I'm in the same boat trying to produce something without funding and without the big names to market it. I think that's the only way to create anything that has that feel that, well I don't need to explain to you all here at AICN. Fuck you naysayers! Go watch the Matrix for the 300th time! When the towers fall the ones who will arise won't be the ones you expect. One Azlam Orlandu to rule all! Muah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ughh. (awakens from power trip dream) Danzig is buff. -Az

  • April 4, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST

    budget = megabucks

    by spamoni

    This thing must cost a fortune. I guess INDEPENDENT isn't "made with a maxed out CC" in this case.

  • April 4, 2003, 4:41 a.m. CST

    This is cool... but RUSTBOY is cooler. ;-)


    With all due respect...

  • April 4, 2003, 4:42 a.m. CST

    no animal characters?

    by speed

    uh oh! spells death for this movie. You can't put star trek characters in a cgi flick. either have them as human or not at all. no sub-human species. in fact correct me if i'm wrong but pretty much isn't that why pixar have stuck to animals, monsters, toys etc.? it's good that an indie is trying to get a foot in, but with a story like this? and if they are looking for feedback by having this on aicn then to be honest the story needs a lot of work. at the moment it stands at very very corny and might entertain some 12 year old boys into fantasy. good story can overcome bad animation. BUT really nice scenery i guess. something with pirates in it...yeah that would be cool. or dragons or how about an underwater theme where a father loses his son and must go on a search to find him and in the process finds himself...sigh. morality tales without the sugar please.

  • April 4, 2003, 8:30 a.m. CST

    So Are Those Temporary Voices? Still Very Cool

    by Drath

    I watched this first without any sound, and at first it was, well, kind of Smurf-esque, but by the end of the trailer I was impressed by how much was going on. Visually, it seems to cover a lot of ground, from the cute to the exotic to the flat out epic. So when I listened to the sound finally, I was pleased by the story that was being set up. Just one problem though, are these not the final voices? They sounded great to me. I especially liked the guy doing Delgo for that last joke. Please, DON'T redub him with someone like Matt Damon!! He's a good actor, but his voice work sucks(monotoned and bored-sounding) and isn't worth the money of the name recongition. Anyway, this *seems* like a step up from movies like Final Fantasy Spirits Within where the story and characters took a back seat to making things look photorealistic. I hope it's not dripping with formulaic mediocrity like Dinosaur. Shit, even Lucas has forgotten that we DID see the flaws when we watched the original Star Wars, but we didn't care because the story was too damn good, and that's all that should ever matter to a storyteller.

  • April 4, 2003, 9:17 a.m. CST

    No, it is not like Star Wars you chump.

    by no1monkey

    Seriously this thing si going to stink up the place. It is barely worthy of a 30 minute cartoon. All these comparisons to Final Fantasy? Well that movie stunk! I mean the animation was good but the storyline...Yuk! Plus whoever keeps comparing this to Star Wars. Please. Marc... Jason you are not George Lucas and never will be. Wouldnt it make more sense to try to be yoruself. I think at this point you have actually started to believe the dribble that you spout out to the press. This is not an independent. If you have tons of money and are waiting to put your film out so you can have poorly dubbed name recognition. Guess what? Just more big budget Hollywood crap. Save yoru money and see a real film. Moriarty....your never going to get in Jennifer's pants so quit kissing ass.

  • April 4, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by tbarnes

    This thing has Miramax written all over it. Harvey is the only guy in town who can think outside the box and avoid standard formula dredge. I doubt any major studio would have the balls to pick this up for wide release.

  • April 4, 2003, 10:07 a.m. CST

    The Money...the money

    by no1monkey

    When you rely on someone to give you your paycheck a lot of people will say what ever it takes to get it. I wont. Does it matter. Only if you position it as if it some amazing feat that the film was produced because of it's independent nature. It is not an independent film. It has a lot of money behind it and a lot of time behind it. The story line is trite and being made up for the most part as they go along. You be the judge when you see it. I recommend you rent it if it ever gets done. I re iterate. This is about telling the truth not sour grapes. This is being positioned as something that it is not . If they can spread around flashoods than I say God Bless AICN for allowing people to post a counter argument. it's not about where the money comes from. It's about lying about it. It is also abotu a sub par movie that is being touted as the next Star Wars even though it is not even done yet.

  • April 4, 2003, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Not sure about the pants

    by no1monkey

    I am not sure if Moriarty would fit in the pants but I do know he wont get a chance. Just trust me all bitching aside. This movie will have all of the impact of Treasure Planet. I mean if you ever set through the presentaion you will need an insulin shot afterwards. I wonder if they are going to have a rapping character. that would be so cool.

  • April 4, 2003, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Independent? I do not think that word means what you think it me

    by Godling

    no1monkey, you seem to be spending an awful lot of time trying to tear down something that looks pretty damn cool - do you have some personal grudge or something? As for this not being an independent film, I thought that 'independent' meant that a film is not associated with one of the big traditional movie studios. I don't ever remember the concept being defined as 'underfunded', although that may be the case sometimes. Since I don't see any claimed affiliation with a movie studio on the Delgo site, I'm guessing that the 'independent' label is a nice fit. Who cares where the funding comes from, what matters is that the triumphs and mistakes are for Fathom Studios to make, not Disney or Paramount or whoever. I think it's obvious to anyone here, especially those who've dreamed of a venture like this, that it takes desire, an intense amount of work, and, yes, MONEY to make this happen. Let 'em go for it, and they will sink or surf on the quality of the film. All this sniping from the peanut gallery is just petty.

  • April 4, 2003, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I belileve i said as much...this film stinks

    by no1monkey

    The money doesnt matter. The lies ar what matter. The only reason why I keep posting is because I dont want people to come to this page and the first thing they see is how great this film is.'s the thousand monkeys scenario. If you have enough money than you can nake something. If your an actually independent film maker you have to make concessions. I told the truth about the money. I have said to make the decision for yourselves. I have. If people want to read this and decide based on what I told them that is there prerogative. I mean if Adler can spin the truth to try to get people to watch this film you cant fault me for telling the truth. I am actually basing my opinion on what I have seen. On what I know. I know people that have owrked on this film and say it will suck. Spend your money the way you want to but you are not supporting some small struggling studio here. I mean hell even Pixar made short films first. What the hell have these guys done.

  • April 4, 2003, 10:57 a.m. CST

    If Independent means not made in Hollywood than...

    by no1monkey

    Wouldnt that mean that all foreign films are independent? Does that mean that all fo Golden Harvest films are Independent. How about Lions Gate? Would you consider Terry Gilliam films to be on the same level as say....Slackers or The Dangerous LIves of Alter Boys. Plus is The Dangerous Lives of Alter Boys independent even though ti is backed by Jody Foster? Anyway soemthing to think about.

  • April 4, 2003, 11 a.m. CST

    Ummm Fett that wasnt me

    by no1monkey

    Hey dont attack my nobillity. I dont work for that guy and I never said I did. If you think he is noble talk to the 20 odd people he fired from Fathom studio. I wasnt one of them. Plus I didnt say anything about Albino Alligator. I do know who it is though. I also never said it was oil money. That was evilrara. I forgive you though.

  • April 4, 2003, 11:19 a.m. CST

    The infallible Fett made an error

    by no1monkey

    No Mr Pooh said that. he also said he was an ex-employee. Evillrara said that she worked there. I never said any such thing. I said he got money form his father. Not how his father made his money. Wouldnt matter to me if he made it in the feminine hygiene market. You made a mistake. Now go back and read the reviews again. By Law subtitled films suck huh?

  • April 4, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I thought that was strange Fett

    by no1monkey

    I have seen you posted through out the forums before and you didnt strike me as being this way. At least I knew you got it right about who said what. Thanks for clearing it up. This movis is going to stink by the way. : )

  • April 4, 2003, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Fett please dont pass judgement on the employees

    by no1monkey

    I may be talking about nobility but some people need there jobs. Unfortunately they probably will be fired if they are found out. This place is not a good place to work. They usualy hire people straight out of school and pay them very little than they expect them to work 70 hours a week. Marc is all but absent from the company as he is usually out promoting himself for having done nothing of substance yet. I know people who worked there and honestly said, "hey at least you dont have to worry about the company going under. we are supported by a millionaire." Which seems to imply a certain indifference to work.

  • April 4, 2003, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Well We're Still Waiting To Be Baffled

    by Drath

    Sorry, Pappa, I couldn't resist

  • April 4, 2003, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Leggo of my Delgo!

    by DiscreetLogic

    One interesting question being raised all this is what is the definition of an independent film? Is LOTR an indendent film because it was made outside the hollywood system - or is it NOT an indy because it was fueled by hollywood dollars. Would that make an Independantly funded film made in Hollywood an "indy"? Does it just mean a film not made by the major studies? If so, if Exxon or Coke decided to make a movie - would they be able to dip into some Indy cache? Can you buy the term "indy" and thereby coopt the "hip" aspect of being an independent filmmaker? ___ All that being said, having some behind scenes knowledge of the project I can understand why people are a little upset - the film is entirely second-rate and the story makes you think a purple dinosaur will pop out at you any moment. I'm sorry, but they should of had a VO that said "In a world full of Jar-Jar's...". I think what is upsetting to people who know more about the project than just the PR - is the fact that they are using the term Independent Film as an attempt to market this garbage. As someone who respects what indy films stand for - I find their attempts to "co-opt" the term offensive - because now they have to make someone's indulgent hobby a 'hit'. ---- I really wish that a little number appeared by each posters name indicating how many times they have posted before and when they signed on. All these posts that say things like 'way-cool' and so-on sound very suspicious especially when you consider that the folks producing it are an interactive agency who attempt co-op the community aspect of the internet to create buzz. Jesus, they sound like 50 year-old men trying to hit on teenage girls by sounding "with-it".

  • April 4, 2003, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Okay making money makes a film good?

    by no1monkey

  • April 4, 2003, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Okay making money makes a film good? Oh yeah and this movie stin

    by no1monkey

    What the hell kind of statement is that. Making money makes a film worth the effort by the financial backers but it does not make a film good. Also I loved LOTR it was a fantastic filmm and by no means an Independent. When you have an entire country at your disposal it owudl be hard to say it was an independent. I would say Discreet Logic has hit the nail on the head. Also to the real Fett. let me explain. Macquarium is a company made up of several companies that all work in the same place for th same person. So even though you might have intimate knowledge of the film it doesnt mean you personally worked on the film. Trust me this guy is a joke. Ask people that work there about his Mercedes. Which if it is the one I am thinking of it is a fake. He had the logos put on it to make it appear as if it were a higher end car. This is the mentallity of this company. I dont know if this is a true story but let's just say that the person who told me this story actually has a vested interest in the succes of the film so why owuld he lie to me about it.

  • April 4, 2003, 1:37 p.m. CST

    oh like Boys Dont Cry?

    by no1monkey

  • April 4, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST

    This movie stinks and your an idiot fake Fett

    by no1monkey

    Sometimes people will jjust see movies because they have nothing to do that day. just because someone spent money on it doesnt make it good any more than a movie doesnt suck just because it doesnt make money. Your logic makes no sense and you dont sound like have a very mature opinion on things. By your thinking Daredevil ( which i saw and it sucked ) was on par with the Godfather because they made money. Star Wars Episode one was better than the first because it made more money? Man I am not prone to stooping to this level but you my friend are an idiot. This is for the fake Fett not the real Fett who seems to form a objective opinion.

  • April 4, 2003, 1:48 p.m. CST

    By Boys Dont Cry I mean

    by no1monkey

    It wasnt a huge commercial success but it was a great film that deserved all the credit it got and it was an independent. thats what I mean

  • April 4, 2003, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Bite me Fake Fett

    by no1monkey

    it's people like you that are bringing the industry down. I know people who saw Daredevil just because Ben Affleck was wearing a leather outfit. Does that mean the film was good. No. My point also was that just because I paid to see it didnt automatically make it good. Jesus are you brain dead. I mena let me ask you this. Do you like steak? Well does it mean that a McDonald's hamburger taste better than a steak just because they have sold millions of them? No! Sure taste is subjective. It's why Farscape got cancelled and SG1 is still on. Does that make SG1 better? Hell no! As far as I am concerned you can have all of the SG1 and McRibs that you want. I'll eat my Black Angus and watch Amelie again. Super Troopers rules...or maybe it doesnt because it didnt make any money.

  • April 4, 2003, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Yes Fake Fett has gotten off topic. This movie sucks

    by no1monkey

    for reasons that have nothing to with where the money comes from or how phoney the guy is. It is a childish theme that is long outdated. I dont think it is about anything really exceot for the look at what I do factor. Oh and there is the whole nerdy boy gets hot powerful chick factor. Something I am sure is always in the forethought of the creators mind. Write me Evilrara. I would love to hear from you. I am obviously not a Spy for the company.

  • April 4, 2003, 2:27 p.m. CST

    far from new and I am not Brian C.

    by no1monkey

    Keep digging because your way off base. If McDonalds made filet mignon for 99cents it would be a shitty steak. Although you would still eat it and think that you were actually eating Filet Mignon. You are a person just trying to get some attention so good day to you. Amelie rules! About Farscape. It is my opinion and the show wasnt for everyone. Overrated. Well if that is true than why isnt it still on. It is better than Stargate though. Daredevil sucks Fake Fett I am done with you.

  • April 4, 2003, 2:35 p.m. CST

    back on topic - This movie sucks

    by no1monkey

    Did you know that the reason that most of the animation staff ws fired was because of low morale. Which means they fired most of the people that worked on it. These are the same people who tried to get Jason Maur replaced. Oh yeah this is going to be a great film

  • April 4, 2003, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Stop playa hatin' from the sidelines!

    by Arby

    a little A T L speak for you... no1monkey posted: Do you like steak? Well does it mean that a McDonald's hamburger taste better than a steak just because they have sold millions of them? HORRIBLE! This place is polluted w/ your ignorance. Stop. Please? I hope Delgo makes it b/c there has been and will be a lot of hard work involved. I hope ex-employees who are scarred by their experiences here are off to greener pastures. And I hope no1monkey stops posting. That is all. Thank you.

  • April 4, 2003, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I dont feel you have proven anything. It stinks

    by no1monkey

    It is also presumptious to assume that I am on the sidelines of anything. A lot of hard work? Yes and they were fired for it. All of this is moot though. I know about the film I know people that have worked on it. I have seen more clips than most people and I think it stinks. I would also hazard to guess that most people will think the same thing. This is setting aside any feelings about who made the film and what happened in the making of the film. By the way.. this is what started all of this "it

  • April 4, 2003, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Man, kinda depressing...

    by Nocturnaloner

    Because even though a lot of money has obviously been spent, face it, the animation sucks. The voice acting sucks. The humanoid character design sucks. Nice textures and lighting though.

  • April 4, 2003, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Well i have already said that I think the film lacks merit.

    by no1monkey

    I have a very negative opinion of this film. It is mostly the childlike approach to the script. I mean come on? By the way I will be here all day. Wait until the night show folks. When we talk about the fatc that all of the companies holding are in Texas not Atlanta to avoid having to be the local taxes. Quit using Atlanta Marc if you dont want to pay the piper.

  • April 4, 2003, 2:59 p.m. CST

    no1monkey, I *wrote* "Please?"

    by Arby

    *rolling eyes* They were not fired for their hard work.

  • April 4, 2003, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Arby you should read more

    by no1monkey

    I didnt say they were fired for there hard work. I said they were fired for low morale. As the copied notes that were handed out at Fathom stated. By the way you never actually said please. Once again though back to the film.

  • April 4, 2003, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by Arby

    You're too easy, monkeyboy... Delgo's going to rock your pantz off though. You love the film. ADMIT IT! bah ha ha ha...BWA HA HAH *stumbling, drunk off your idiocy*

  • April 4, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Arby : Employee of the month

    by no1monkey

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls...Know what I mean Arby? By the way I am not Brian C. in case you still thought that. Yes I am an idiot and do not have a valid opinion. Best not to listen to a professional film reviewer (yes its true) instead listen to an employee of the company who wont even use a real email addy. This film if it is succesful will still not fill that empty void in your life.

  • April 4, 2003, 3:24 p.m. CST

    hmmm...perhaps I will fill that empty void...

    by Arby

    with you use of the word professional! Wait...still empty. *shrugs* And my email is real. Email me! Let's cyber! I *heart* u! im 4 real! l8r! Who is Brian C.?

  • April 4, 2003, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Brian C

    by mrpooh

    For those not in the know.... Brian C is Brian Chaikin...who used to work at Fathom/Macq....great guy and great friend of alot of old timers there... Im sure people over at Fathom are wracking there brains tryin to figure out who no1monkey is... Well it isnt ME! and its not Chaikin or Jango!! so guess again

  • April 4, 2003, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Delgo the best movie since Showgirls

    by no1monkey

    it is truely groundbreaking stuff this animation. my goodness i hope i can grow up to be just like everyone at Macquarium. Did you know that Marc Adler invented the Macquarium? You know the fish tank thaat goes inside of a Macintosh computer? Oh wait. No he didnt. Thats just what the PR people say. My mistake. Sometimes I just get confused with reality because of all the lies.

  • April 4, 2003, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Brain C ruled

    by no1monkey

    He was/is a very cool guy and he is not me. You guys dont know me. I just know you. Not all of you though. The old crew was cool and I empathize with their frustration. They will never get the credit they deserve on this film but I am sure it will come to them from many of the other projects that they are working on. It also wont take years to happen.

  • April 4, 2003, 3:44 p.m. CST

    But Elizabeth Berkley had SUCH a nice, flat ass!!!

    by Arby

    OK, I'm going to stop now. I was having some fun b/c it's Friday, but there is obviously too much hurt in here. I wish everyone here the best of luck, Delgo or non-Delgo. TGIF, right? Where's Urkle when you need him the most???

  • April 4, 2003, 3:45 p.m. CST

    But Elizabeth Berkley had SUCH a nice, flat ass!!!

    by Arby

    OK, I'm going to stop now. I was having some fun b/c it's Friday, but there is obviously too much hurt in here. I wish everyone here the best of luck, Delgo or non-Delgo. TGIF, right? Where's Urkle when you need him the most???

  • April 4, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST

    i wish you guys good luck!

    by drjones

    those guys look like a tabaluga fake(a german musical about a dragon with SUCH a biiig heart)!but fathom studios..fathom...fathom....fathom...fathom studios... it seems to me as this company would be pretty famous and i had heard this name 1000 times before...

  • April 4, 2003, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I know his name

    by Loudness

    no1monkey, a simple whois on your e-mail domain shows you to either be Mark Moffitt (ex-Macquarium), or a friend of Mark's. I'm guessing you're Moffitt. Very childish of you, sir.

  • April 4, 2003, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Been watchin' all day...

    by MysticOracle

    Well, after watching this board all day, and debating whether or not I should say something, I've registered. This'll probably be one of the few posts I make 'cause I'm not a very social "joiner" so to speak. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I definately do not want to make any assumptions as to who is who. I just want to give my point of view - the point of view from someone who is very happy here at Fathom. There have been rough times, sure, but there are rough times everywhere, in whatever field you happen to be working in. In past jobs, I have never been given the kind of respect I get here from management and other artists. I have felt welcome to give my opinions and have always felt like part of a big family. Even those people who clashed with my personality - I still had nothing but the upmost respect for their talent and opinions. And I really feel like its the same vica versa. I truly believe in this project and have put my heart and soul into it and know of many other employees who have done the same. It's been a lot of fun, and I wouldn't trade my worst day here at Fathom with my best day at any of my other jobs. Anyway, I hope that everyone has found what they are looking for in their career and lives. Well, that's it. Thanks for listening.

  • April 4, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    oh, one more thing...

    by MysticOracle

    Hey MrPooh! What are you up to these days. I heard you're at Pixar now. Is that right?

  • April 7, 2003, 1:42 a.m. CST

    about Adler's company

    by valour

    I used to work for MacQuarium, so I can tell you first hand some stupid misconceptions you're stating herein: -It's not an entirely white staff who are producing Delgo. -Marc Adler's holding companies are in Texas because that's where he's from. -The Mercedes story is bullshit, and both of these last two points have nothing to do with the production of Delgo, even if they were true. Just because you can draw a parallel doesn't make it true. I've not been overly impressed by the Delgo stuff, but I don't think it's horrible either. Why do people always have to go to the extremes? Is it that hard for you to have a viewpoint which incorporates more than one perspective?

  • April 7, 2003, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Interesting stuff

    by jb_michigan

    I doubt I can get some budweiser product placement in this one, but I'll definately take the kids to it.

  • April 7, 2003, 3:42 p.m. CST

    To Valour : I never said....

    by no1monkey

    I dont know if you were talking to me or not but I can tell you I never said it was an all white crew. I am not sure if anyone did. I know someone mentioned something about irony. Maybe Evilrara. I did say that his holding are all based out of Texas. Which is only relevant when he starts trying to play up his Atlanta angle. I dont really care how he does business. As far as the Mercedes goes iI am jsut reporting what was told to me by people that were closer to hm than me. How would you know it was bullshit? Plus I have been trying to get everyone on track with talking about the film. But I also wanted to say that if it has nothing to do with the film. Then why are all of these points being brought up in the reviews and articles. He is not some independent goldne boy just trying to live out his life long dream. He is a self promoting opportunists who has been milking his companies dry with bad business decisions for years. If not for the money his Dad puts into the business he would have folded long ago. All of this aside I would never imply that he was remotely racist. He is not! repeat Marc Adler is not a racist. Just like he is not an independent film maker. he is just another guy with more money than sense and the movie industry is full of them.

  • Dec. 16, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Why is this movie coming out NOW??

    by LotusGeek

    at the end of 2008? reports that it had the worst opening weekend EVER.

  • Dec. 20, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Well now...

    by filmicdrummer17

    This is interesting. I thought I had remembered this happly little flick getting a mention on AICN, and, like a horrible trainwreck, I couldn't NOT look for it. If anybody so deeply entrenched in the above talkback ever sees this... my condolences. They can't all be winners. Even if you worked (however briefly) on the biggest loser of all time.