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Content "You should have said 'Anyone in here who supports the bombings, stand up now.'" That would have fixed those cocksuckers that booed him.

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Content MOORE FOR PRESIDENT!

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Content I'm very liberal, bordering on socialist, so I generally agree with Moore's basic assertions. This one, though, could be rough. As much as I dislike the current Bush administration's policies, I think they believe they're doing what's right for the security of the country. I happen to think they're going to end up damaging it more in the long run, though. Still, this seems a bit too venomous, even for me. Maybe if this film was made in fifty years...This is a very very raw, sore subject. I wonder if Bradbury would even let them get away with that title?

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Content You should be upset with him for using emotion and rhetoric in the place of facts and objectivity, then calling it a documentary. I mean it was nominated for best original screenplay for God's sake. Bowling for columbine was entertaining, nothing more.

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Content his films suck and so does he tell him to move to iraq see how it feels

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Content Something bad is going to happen soon. Something big. Something that's going to actually change life as we know it. I don't know what it is or when it's going to happen, but it's going to be big and it's going to happen soon. Something like the worst natural diaster the human world has ever seen. Peek this: We got Pearl Harbor and then September 11th happened. We got Band of Brothers, and now we have the War. Now we have the Core. And Signs. The Patriots won the Superbowl. Something's coming. SMOKE EM IF YOU GOT EM.

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Content He's fucking right and he's got the fucking facts to back it up. I think it's a plus that he's opinionated and passionate. I'm so fucking sick of the 24-7 war coverage that I don't even watch it anymore. This isn't a "war," it's a fucking invasion. GRANTED, Saddam is an evil fuck who deserves to die and burn in Hell. But I'm not one to sit around and regurgitate what the goddamn press has to say about the War and Iraq. You're a fucking moron and a coward if you believe everything George W. Bush says. You need to learn to think for yourself. Don't believe the hype, man. Figure it out for yourself, don't just believe what you see on TV and in the newspapers and repeat it to everyone you know. Come up with your own opinion for once, and get some real fucking facts to back it up. As for Moore's films sucking? Well, you're a cretin. You either put money in Moore's pocket by paying to see his movies or you've never seen one of his films and you really have no right to make a judgement. Yeah, yeah, you didn't have to pay to see it, right? Whatever. I don't believe you. God, get off the fucking couch and vote once in a while, you fucking shrivs you.

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Content Is that animation up there of Harry supposed to be chemical weapons melting his flesh off?

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Content but when you're claiming to be making a documentary, asking leading questions with no counterpoints, editing footage to simulate time lapses that are inaccurate, and making yourself and your opinions the focus of the movie is terrible movie-making. At least from the standpoint of making a documentary.

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Content Maybe if we nuke Iraq Bush can ride the bomb down like Slim Pickens?

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Content http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

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Content Can't say I'm much of a documentary watcher, but that is a really great title. And anything that pans the hide of Bush is something I'll support.

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Content Can't wait to see that next Moore flick. As for Moore's filmmaking, just watching how all those crypto-fascist ultra conservatives who equal not sharing their views with 'twisting the facts' or 'not being objective', very funny that, but then again they are a joke so that fits. Yeah folks, only in America! One worry though, I hope Moore starts looking over his shoulder when he makes the movie. Seeing as how well equipped a lot of American brains are with handling different views, something very bad might happen to him (to sort of insure democracy and nobody violates it by abusing the freedom of speech to say anything they just goddamn want!). Yep, things are getting ugly outthere.

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Content Everyone with any sense knows Bush is using the aftermath of 9/11 to further his own personal agenda. I can't believe that man is allowed the be in charge of the most powerful nation in the world. I wish there were more people like Moore out there exposing the shocking truths. I think Bush (both of them) should be charged for their crimes against humanity. Yes I want the world to be rid of Saddam too, but in a way that doesnt kill so many innocents (I'm sure for 75 billion you could easily hire some assassins and sneak them into the country!). And while I'm here, can someone please explain to me why your country is giving 10 billion to Israel???

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Content That was an unrealistic comment. Do you really think that a terrorist who is willing to blow himself up really cares that the US can nuke his country? I agree Sadam must go (at least now that the war has actually begun) but as far as scaring any would be terrorists, I don't think this war will do that. In fact it may cause the opposite to happen, that being creating more support in the Arab world for more terrorists with an axe to grind with the US and the rest of the west.

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Content ummmmmm......MICHAEL MOORE IS A DREAMBOAT...LOOK AT HIM...HE'S GOT A GREAT ASS!.....I'D LIKE TO POKE THAT ASS!......I'D LIKE TO GET HIM A LITTLE DRUNK AND HAVE MY WAY WITH HIM!...YESSIREEBOB!!!...HE IS THE KINDA MAN THAT MAKES ME GO GAY! HE MAKES EVERYBODY GO GAY! HE MAKES ME WANNA SPEW MY JOY CREAM ALL OVER HIS MAN BOOBS AND RUBB RUBB RUBB!!!! OOO-EEE! I'D LIKE TO GET IN A HOT TUB WITH HIM, BE ALL STEAMY AND SHINY LIKE A COUPLE OF BOILED POTATOES AND SPEAD EACH OTHER WITH BUTTER!!!!! YEAH!!!! MIKE JUST MAKES ME HOTT!!!!! DAMN!.....And thus, I must make fun of all the political shit! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

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Content For me, this war comes down to two very simple principles: either you think it's wrong to fly warplanes over a heavily populated city and drop bombs on its inhabitants, or you don't. Personally, I see no acceptable justification for that. As someone else said, if Hussein is the problem, and not Iraq itself, hire a damn assassin. There's no reason that Iraqi families and American servicemen have to die, particularly for what amounts to a corporate takeover. If anyone still believed in the purity of Bush's motives, the Halliburton move should have woke you the hell up. If not, just keep your head in the sand for another two years, as you're obviously happiest that way.

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Content Michael Moore is not a champion of freedom. He is a champion of hate. He is a fat fraud who has made himself infamous through a body of work that are lies from one end to the other. We who are not hopelessly leftwing do like Moore for one thing. He makes demonizing the left impossible as he does it himself so much better than anything Rush Limbaugh could manage.

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Content God I hate that guy. He is so ashamed of being a white middle aged American. What a pathetic life he leads.

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Content When did we forget that the easiest thing in the world to do is point out a fault or a misdoing? Mr. Moore's films are unwatchable for me (yes, I tried)for one huge reason. If you are going to hop on the proverbial high horse, your stance is only valid if you PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE!!!!!!!!! Mr. Moore takes the easy way out. He picks a hot topic (the presidency, 9/11, columbine), and reinforces what we already know about the worst aspect of that particular topic. ONCE, I'd like to hear a valid, insightful alternative from the fool. Here's one for you fans of Mr. Moore: He's done this for one thing; MONEY! If his feelings were as he claims, he would not live in this country.

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Content The most boring thing I've ever heard is criticizing those who "believe everything GW says". Did you "believe everything Bill Clinton said". Those people aren't naive saps. Most Americans have at least a certain level of skepticism regarding every President they've listened to. It's impossible to find a leader who will make every decisions the way YOU, as an individual, want it to go. I really am not a big fan of GW, but I think there are things he hasn't told us that are actually to our benefit as well as things which are mistruths. Sorry for the cliche, but I hope this war ends swiftly with minimal casualties and Hussein's regime decimated. hmmmmm..... I wonder what it would be like to dig into Michael Moore's past and expose it to the world? Like EVERYONE....there are ways to make him look bad. Congrats on cashing in on taking the easy way out, Moore!

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Content Stealing the spotlight at the Oscars? I guess if you use the term "stealing the spotlight" loosely. Steve Martin stole the spotlight with a brilliantly prepared hosting. Michael Moore found some extremist, if slightly clever, wording to show his stance on the war which was booed by possibly the largest gathering of Democrats besides the actual convention. Not quite spotlight material. I only regret them cutting him off. I really would have liked to see him hang homself even more!

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Content Michael Moore being fat, have to do with his films or his beliefs? You people are fools, nearly every last one of you that simply say, "Moore is a big, fat liar" or "Harry is a big fat dumb ass" move on to smarter topics like, "Michael Moore is challenging people to think" and "Harry has a website dedicated to fanboys (and girls), but instead they'd rather talk about his weight." The sad part is that most of you that are complaining about Michael Moore, probably didn't even watch BOWLING..., and if you did, you would realize the film didn't have one un-American slur in it, and it's too bad he had to go to the Great White North to have it funded.

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Content ...that you guys are willing to allow your propagandist to foam at the mouth, and openly, and KNOWINGLY neglect the facts, but when we liberals put out any kind of propaganda, well, that's shocking. Such hypocrisy. Michael Moore is way better than any of those weavers of lies and discontent, because he is actually trying to do some good out there. Roger & Me was about him taking on the modern corporate disregard for the workers of this country in particular, and their employees in general. Bowling for Columbine was not about a gun culture gone wild (Moore reveals that Canadians have just as many guns if not more than we do down here), but instead a society locked in a constant state of fear and loathing of their fellow man. We imagine Willy Horton and Old Dirty Bastard kicking down the doors, cleaning us out, raping our wives and girlfriends, then killing us all. We imagine that the Gangs are going to run wild, like all those movies had them doing. We have taken what the movies show us to be the reality of our situation. We look at our media and we see doom, gloom, and the apocalypse coming. We also look at it and see violence as the only way to deal with these problems. Fact is, where one in ten people are victims of a crime in the media, in real life, maybe one in hundred are. They intentionally pay more attention to the death, crime, and violence, because our fear sells. In the mean time, we are told again and again that we are a subhuman generation, incapable of dealing with our impulses, and incapable of rising to greater virtues. It's easy to agree with that, and simply, lazily stop trying, but in the end we are so much better than that, and we can do so much better than that. We do not have to live in fear. We do not have to make concessions to vested economic interests every time we try and make the world a better place. We can do better than this.

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Content If I remember correctly, there were people cheering him as much as there were people booing him, and it's just that its so much more juicier if the people are only booing him. Trust me, I saw it. People were cheering for him.

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Content "Excuse me, Mr. President: are you joking or are you just that stupid?" "I garantee you - that I'm not joking".

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Content "Personally, I see no acceptable justification [to] fly warplanes over a heavily populated city and drop bombs on its inhabitants." Thank you, Neville Chamberlin.

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Content I pity the poor bastards who believe a single word of what President Dubya says, but I pity even more those who believe statistics.

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Content One day you'll grow up and not want to be a modern day peacenick-hippie left wing radical. Oh, wait a minute, we're talking about Harry, the guy who wants nothing more in life than to be soooooooo "Hollywood". You fit right in, well except that you're morbidly obeese and not funny and that you're a underground cult favorite, but not to the level of actually being cool like Bruce Campbell or even Clint Howard. Damnit Harry, I liked you until you started mixing movies with politics.

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Content you just have to take him as what he is ...a provocateur. sometimes he goes a bit over the top but that`s ok...he has to do that!!! that`s some kind of stylistic device. i hear noone(almost noone) of you complaining about all those fucking over-patriotic fox or radio morons...people who are against the uno, nato, all nations not participating in this war.....

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Content Once again we see Michael Moore producing a film consisting of lies, innuendo and character assasination of his betters and calling it documentary. He should have won an Oscar for Worst Propoganda Film, not documentary. Documentary implies facts were involved in the filmmaking. I proudly wear my "Michael Moore is a Big, Fat Idiot" T shirt and I wish I could add an addendum that said "and Harry Knowles sucks his dick on odd Tuesdays."

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Content I was going to post some riotous invective to follow that up, but I'll trust Teddy's words to make my point.

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Content SULAYMANIYAH, Iraq

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Content I find it hard to take Moore's bullshit seriously. He's "fictitious" speech at the ISA and Oscar's is the ultimate in one-sided reporting. What about the 5,000 "fictitious" Kurds Hussein "fictitiously" gassed, or the hundreds of thousands of "fictitious" Iraqis he slaughtered after the first Gulf War(which was because of the mistake our gov't made by not finishing him off--something wich Bush Sr. admitted he made the mistake), or the 3,000 "fictional" people that died on 9/11. Dubya may have a lazy, southern drawl, but Moore dresses and looks like fifty pounds of shit in a forty pound bag--so who would you trust? Come on, people--everyone--even people who you may violently disagree with--has a right to put their two-cents in, no matter how unlearned we may think it is. But how can anyone take what anyone in Hollywood says seriously? The most intelligent thing that Jennifer Anniston had to say about the war was that Bush is a "fucking asshole". Imagine Bruce Willis said that about Clinton? Why should anyone listen to George Clooney's views of politics and world suffering? The toughest decision this guy has to make is what supermodel he's going to fuck this week? I'm for the war and anyone who's not I disagree with, but that's cool. However, I beg everyone to not get their facts from Hollywood or Michael Moore?

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Content I love your site, love the movie news, previews, and reviews. I don't come here to hear yet another person preach their ideas on politics and war. I come here to hopefully get away from that, maybe read some interesting gossip. You're a liberal, and I'm willing to overlook that. But when you plaster it up all over the place, as you have now for a few weeks...it sours what should be an engaging escape. Have your politics, hell go out and protest and puke on the sidewalk, for all I care. You don't seem to understand that one of the great things about movies is that people who will disagree violently in their political views will stil love the same movie. Until you can curb it and get back to doing what you do best, I'm outta here. Just as with Michael Moore, a large portion of your audience is booing you, Harry. I'm sure you don't care, but your sponsors might.

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Content Bush said "F&$* Saddam...We're taking him out" to one of his advisors or someone like that... Hussein having "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is just his excuse to try and get revenge on "dat sumbitch who tried ta kill ma daddie"...

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Content Although 99% of what he said was absolutely rubbish, I hope he goes on more talk shows and says more of the same things. The more he talks, the worse he makes his arguments look. He threw his little tantrum because he is mad that Al Gore lost the election. He's also mad that over 70% of Americans believe Bush is doing the right thing in Iraq. He's also scared of what will happen once the war is over. When the military confiscates tons of chemical weapons that could've been used to harm us and when we hear the tearful stories of how - thanks to us - the Iraqi children can now grow up not living under a brutal dictatorship...well, Bush's poll numbers are going to go through the roof and his re-election is all but guaranteed. And that scares the hell out Michael Moore. So let him talk. All his lies and half-truths aren't going to mean a thing once Iraq is liberated. Regardless of your feelings on the war, history will show - just like with WWII - that we were on the right side and we did THE RIGHT THING.

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Content dude, i live for RIOTOUS INVECTIVE - bring it on!

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Content ...is that he lets himself get so caught up in his own conspiracy theories, that he massages the truth to make his point. He employs the same tactics tabloid newspapers use to pull down celebrities: make a few claims that are nothing new, nothing exciting, but easily proved, then slip a totally fabricated claim, which is assumed to be true by association. He mostly talks bullshit. He lies, people. He lies just as much as anybody with a political agenda. Check his "facts" and you'll see. It's easy.

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Content Just read this article from the Wall Street Journal. Moore should not have won the Academy Award. He is a fucking liar and a hypocrite. Read on: Unmoored From Reality An ideological con artist is the favorite for an Oscar. Friday, March 21, 2003 12:01 a.m. With Hollywood in a fever pitch against the war in Iraq, Michael Moore is likely to win the Oscar for Best Documentary at Sunday's Academy Awards. "Bowling for Columbine," Mr. Moore's work of anti-American propaganda, has grossed over $15 million, an amazing sum for a film billed as a documentary. But the film, a merry dissection of America's "culture of fear" and love of guns, is filled with so many inaccuracies and distortions that it ought to be classed as a work of fiction. Mr. Moore is naturally a big hit among the French. The jury at the Cannes Film Festival created a special, one-time only award to honor his film and then gave it a 13-minute standing ovation. "Not since Gore Vidal and Norman Mailer have we seen such a successful export of anti-Americanism," observes Andrew Sullivan in London's Sunday Times. Mr. Moore plays into all of the worst stereotypes and distortions about America. "Bowling for Columbine" attempts to explain interventions by the U.S. military as rooted in an inherently violent domestic culture. "I agree with the National Rifle Association when they say, 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people,' " he told NBC's "Today" show. "Except I would alter that to say, 'Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people.' We're the only country that does this, and we do it on an personal level in our neighborhoods and within our families and our schools, and we do it on a global level. The American attitude is that we believe we have a right to just go in and bomb another country. This is where Bush is going right now, right?" To make this strained connection, Mr. Moore tries to make us believe that the two mentally disturbed high school students who massacred their fellow students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., grew up in a community that has a sinister connection to the military-industrial complex. A Lockheed Martin factory in Littleton manufactures "weapons of mass destruction," Mr. Moore claims. The factory actually makes rockets that carry TV satellites into space. And the very title of Mr. Moore's film is based on a deception. It refers to the bowling class that the Columbine killers supposedly took the morning they committed their murders. The only problem is that they actually cut the class. Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new Weatherby," a rifle. But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks." Mr. Moore makes the preposterous claim that a Michigan program by which welfare recipients were required to work was responsible for an incident in which a six-year-old Flint boy shot a girl to death at school. Mr. Moore doesn't mention that the boy's mother had sent him to live in a crack house where her brother and a friend kept both drugs and guns--a frequently lethal combination. Some of the fact-bending and omissions of "Bowling for Columbine" could charitably be chalked up to really sloppy research. (I called the chief archivist for Mr. Moore's film, Carl Deal, yesterday, but he hasn't called back.) Others show a willful aversion to the truth. Mr. Moore repeats the canard that the United States gave the Taliban $245 million in aid in 2000 and 2001, somehow implying we were in cahoots with them. But that money actually went to U.N.-affiliated humanitarian organizations that were completely independent of the Taliban. David Hardy, a former Interior Department lawyer who delights in debunking government officials and pompous celebrities, has uncovered even more evidence of Mr. Moore's distortions. The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness. Another speech is described as being given immediately after the Flint shooting . In reality, it was made almost a year later. All of these and more inaccuracies can be found at Mr. Hardy's comprehensive Web site. Ben Fritz ofSpinsanity.org also notes that Mr. Moore has "apparently altered footage of an ad run by the Bush/Quayle campaign in 1988" to buttress his claim that racial symbolism is frequently misused in American politics. His leading example is the case of Willie Horton, a murderer who became a major issue in the 1988 presidential campaign. Mr. Moore shows the Bush ad that generically attacked a prison furlough program in Michael Dukakis's Massachusetts . Superimposed over the footage of prisoners entering and exiting a prison are the words "Willie Horton released. Then kills again." While the caption appears to be part of the original ad, Mr. Moore actually inserted it; the ad made no mention of Horton. (Another ad, sponsored by the National Security Political Action Committee, a conservative group independent of the Bush campaign, did mention Horton; it aired only briefly in a few cable markets.) The phony Moore caption also is inaccurate; Horton brutalized a Maryland couple and raped the wife, but didn't kill anybody while on furlough. In print, too, Mr. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts. In his "Stupid White Men," his best-selling book, he blithely states that five-sixths of the U.S. defense budget in 2001 went toward the construction of a single type of plane and that two-thirds of the $190 million that President Bush raised in his 2000 campaign came from just over 700 individuals, a preposterous assertion given that the limit for individual contributions at the time was $1,000. When CNN's Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off the quesiton. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I mean, I don't respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said. "Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said. "No, I don't. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?" Mr. Moore would deserve an Academy Award if there were an Oscar for Best Cinematic Con Job. If "Bowling for Columbine" is a comedy, most of its fans don't know it. They actually believe they're watching something that is in rough accord with reality. Copyright

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Content I suppose seeing the film TRUE LIES was pure torture for you, right? Bullshit!!! You enjoyed EVERY FUCKING MINUTE of that gun toting, arab slaughtering flick! Admit it! And you'll be first in line for the sequel. Oh yeah, didn't that movie star two of hollywood's biggest conservatives, Arnold Swarzenegger & Chuck Heston? As I said Harry, it must've been pure torture....

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Content Beware of the neo-conservatives, that have Dubya's ear. These neo-cons consider Pat Buchanan an anti-American liberal. These neo-con chickenhawks don't have a clue. Not only are they lying to the country, but themselves. They actually believe bombing Iraq will make all the countries in the Middle East America-loving democracies. I pray for our troops. The Iraqs are feeding them! Because the supply line has been disrupted and Rumsfield was too fucking stupid to have enough manpower (2/3 less troops than 1st Gulf War) to watch their flank. The Pentagon and the CIA told him so, but Rummy knows best-NOT! Can we say Quagmire?

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Content ... not a drop was found. None. Zero. Nada. The best lead US troops have so far is a couple of masks and suits. Hell, if so, american troops are irregular as hell, 'cause every single alliance trooper is carrying its own set of rubber shit. Saddam is a fucking slaughterer and should be humping the Devil in Hell, but US should learn to take care of its own business. "Protect our people", yeah, right. Madman Hussein can't hit a fucking mall in Kuwait properly, let alone drop mustard gas over you fine american people. Talk about beating a dead horse. Wonder why they don't hit North Korea, Iran or Pakistan instead. Oh, wait, I know why...

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Content Am I missing something here...? As for michael moore, go anywhere outside of america and you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who disagreed with him on oscar night... I even suspect going out your front door would hold the same result. Maybe instead of spending all your net time on aint it cool and porn sites you should start reading up on sites that really cover the war. In fact, go to moores site and read his news links. Go to whatreallyhappened.com you'll see some great photo's of mangled children and street drainage running red with blood. Ask them how thankful they are to their liberators. Yeah I know, who cares, they're only evil iraqis

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Content "Yes, our president is a cowboy. He's fucking Clint Eastwood. You piss him off and he blows up your country. Well, you know what? I love it!!! "

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Content Moore officially "jumped the shark" with his Oscar diatribe. We can continue to "spin" the truth with his movies but now we know his real agenda. BTW, I love TV Nation.

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Content http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html I actually agree with the idea that the largest cause of violence in this country is our own so-called "news" which glorifies it. I can watch an hour of any "news" program on TV and hear only 5 minutes worth of factual information and the other 55 minutes is commercials, speculation, theories, interviews, and other human-interest bullshit. That's not news, it's entertainment. P.S. While I agree with the conclusion that Michael Moore came to, the man is a complete dumbass who cares more about fame and fortune than anything else. Oh, and yes, being had and stupid are directly related to each other. Only a stupid person would eat 4000 calories a day, look in the mirror and notice they're about 50 pounds over weight, increase intake to 4500 calories, six months later notice they're 100 pounds overweight, then increase food intake to 5000 calories a day..... If you think eating less and getting your ass off the couch 3 times a week is too much to ask of yourself, then you are a stupid person.

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Content "This isn't a war, it's an invasion." Huh? What's your point? I didn't know that war and invasion were contradictory terms. Feel free to check out Michael Moore's facts and speak intelligently on topics

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Content This has got to be an early April Fools Joke! I like Michael Moores Documentaries, but he burned too many bridges with his foolish Oscars Tirade. This will never happen!

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Content You know this world has gone crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, France is accusing the US of arrogance and Germany doesn't want to go to war.". Seriously, I think its totally possible to support our troops and YET be AGAINST this war. I completely love the fact that we live in a country where a Michael Moore can insult the president and not be thrown in jail...or worse. I support our troops. I also see the liberation of the Iraqi people ultimately as a good thing. BUT I do not see Iraq as a threat to world peace. I'm totally with Moore on that one. I think Bush is there for ficticious reasons. And yes...he was elected ficticiously. It is about the Oil. Heck, even the name of the operation was going to be called Operation Iraqi Liberation, until the administration realised it stood for O.I.L. ! Not everything is black and white. I believe we as Americans have a RIGHT to look deeper. To ASK questions, without being labeled as un patriotic. I assert that to NOT be allowed to do so is UN-patriotic. As much as you may disagree. I'm against the war, and the other day there was this peace rally where a Columbia University professor got up and said how American soldiers should be shot...that they were the real enemies and that the suicide bombers were the heroes. I booed him. I think both extremes are whack. As americans we all have a right to say what we feel.

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Content Have you guys actually been following the news? Israel is killing and occupying the middle east, America keeps sending them billions of your tax money to do it. America called for Iraq to disarm, The UN was making progress, now the US goes and attacks after the UN successfully destroyed saddams missiles - The US should have backed the UN, They were keeping the peace! Now North Korea is pissed of because they have been threatened the same way Iraw was, they are not going to disarm. they, and the world have seen what America does when a country starts to disarm on it's command - they go and bomb the hell out of them. Korea says it wont suffer the same miserable fate as iraq. The troops are struggling, morale is down, and now a holt has been ordered because supplies are down, and meals are down to 1 a day. Bush still goes on TV about how honerable his troops are and how democracy and freedom will soon be with the iraqies... BULLSHIT! ok. BULLSHIT!! And you guys just stand behind him and believe it all. This is a game. A massive, mussle flexing, look how big our dick is game. And real people are dying, not saddams troops, not militants, real people. Bombs are falling and people are being killed left right centre. Stray bombs are going into iran, syria, turkey, and UAE... these are the same smart precision bombs that are supposed to enter a window and fly right up saddams clakka. Call off your Dog now, because someone here said that they can feel something big about to happen, and let me tell you now, he's not the only one who feels it. The whole world is both scared and extremely pissed off at your boy bush. Moores speach was not rubbish, Bush is a fictitious president. This is a fictitious war. The Iraqis could no more mount a successful campaign against america than America can on iraq. Where are all these chemical and biological weopons? Why aren't they being used? Something has got to give here, and trust me now, it wont be a peaceful and democratic resolution. The world is NOT happy. And you Americans have to see that!

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Content I have no problem with Moore making movies, but calling them "documentaries" is a little generous. "Bowling" was littered with errors, as was "Roger." I'm a Flint, MI native as welll as an attorney, and I can tell you that many local Flint residents sued Michael Moore following "Roger" and won.

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Content 3,000 lives would probably have not been lost if Clinton had taken out Bin Laden when he had the chance. Furthermore, I'm a conservative Republican who thinks Bush is making terrible domestic policy if he's even worrying about domestic problems at all, so don't call me a naive sap. Lastly, what the hell is wrong with the pushing of a conservative agenda by a conservative president? That would be like me complaining that Clinton tried to push a liberal agenda just because he was president. It's just ridiculous. The president has the right to push whatever agenda he (or she, if we ever get a female president) wants to. And to those who think Bush is an illegitimate president, two things: 1.) No president was ever elected by popular vote (I think I said this, no?); 2.) I don't care, and neither would you if a Democrat or other liberal had won under the same circumstances, I'll bet. Lastly, I seem to remember someone posting something about the conservatives making a concerted effort to prevent voting or to throw out votes by ex-convicts in South Florida in the 2000 election, thereby excluding the votes of a lot of minorities. Maybe someone could clarify that for me because I'm certainly not quoting. My response in any case is: So what? Is it the conservatives' fault that a lot of minorities have been in prison? And correct me if I'm wrong (and I may well be, I'm not sure), but I didn't think ex-convicts were allowed to vote, at least not until they'd been out of prison for a while.

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Content Just a quick note about W. Bush's real through the roof polling. while over 70% approve of his handling of the war, he would only win a presidential election 51% to 48% (with an unknown Democrat). His father was in the high eighties at this point, mid war and he still lost his chance for a second term. Republicans have all the power, a growing war, a world that hates us, the beginning of a double recession, and the possibility of renewed terrorist action stateside. Not to mention poorly planned budget war plans that have left our troops vulnerable to harm and capture. That body count is only going to go up. Oh yes! your right George W. is right on track and victorious. Come home soon guys, thank you and be safe.

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Content "It doesn't matter what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. Just the same, ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting the ultimate practitioner." Cormac McCarthy in Blood Meridian

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Content americans wake up! i love the USA, but fuck that administration. the USA is reigned by rich-ass-hell right-wing asshole conservatives. somebody has to stop them!! vote the Greens!

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Content Despite your opinion, Moore has everyone thinking. Thomas Jefferson once said America needs a revolution every 20 years. Maybe this is one of those times. Moore does not want to change the world, but for the first time in some time, everyone is thinking again about the government and why we do the things we do. Dont make fun of a "fat, bloated Moore." People are smart enough to form there own opinions, and Moore uses an exterme opinion to help people think about there ideals

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Content Anybody who thinks that America *isn't* turning into a culture of hate and loathing of our fellow human beings needs to go back and read this Talkback over again. Almost nobody on here has anything to say except obscene insults for the enemy (whether the enemy is Michael Moore or George W. Bush depends solely on your ideology).

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Content hey, you Brits used to have a world EMPIRE, and now you've got what, a lousy half of Ireland? what's up with that?

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Content you would think we'd learn our lesson, coming to a website that is based in reporting and arguing half truths and rumors, but this constant bickering from both sides is nauseating at best. i love that both sides argue as if they have all the answers. "this is all for oil!" "bush is trying to liberate the iraqis!" let's be honest, none of us know the whole truth. saddam could've been dead for a decade and this is all some CGI sideshow put together by the powers that be to entertain the world. Reality TV 2003. it's all to sell commercials and drive up ratings. "the french are buying oil from iraq" "no, america buys oil from iraq" "russia sold supplies to iraq" "no, america sold supplies to iraq" juvenile. petty. ridiculous. just admit it, none of us all know shit. this will all be over soon and everyone can return to their lives. as for gingertwat, wake up shit head, america was hated long before bush II. i dont remember his foreign policy having much of an effect on 9/11. what revisionist bullshit history. whenever you have the most toys, everyone hates you. but you'll watch our movies, listen to your music, eat our mcdonalds and buy our fords. so shut the fuck up and enjoy our propaganda.

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Content It sounds as if you're suggesting we, the civilians, should invade England...

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Content Whether all of us completley agree with what he says or not, God bless him. He's definetley the guy with the tie-dye T-shirt in a world of black and white, and that is why we need Michael Moore.

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Content Man, everyone used to love America, they'd be all wanting to move there and doing impressions of great American icons like James Dean and Frank Sinatra or whoever. Now everyone hates you guys because youve got a fucking hilbilly telling you all what to do. Michael Moore, George Clooney, Martin Sheene et al are the only sensible celebrities youve got left.

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Content for years now, ive started each day with a cup of coffe and aint-it-cool. never again. the filthy hippie, wicca, cry baby liberal, anti-American rants here have me so god-dammed angry, its just not worth it. and frankly, its not that great a loss, since harrys fat-ass is constantly being tricked into posting fake scoops and self-serving script reviews. this fat bastard couldnt tell that those Indy V and 'silver strike' scoops were fake, yet you inbreds are gonna let him interpret the news for you and tell you what to think about politics? fine. to hell with you. people so dumb and out of touch deserve each other.

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Content I'm not a big fan of Michael Moore, and I think his speech at the oscars was ill timed. But you have to listen to what he has to say, even if you dont agree with it. and if he's going to be fair , have him go to the middle east and ask those same questions of his. I'd Like to see him do that.Then I'd take him serious.

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Content Everyone can keep slamming each other, but learn the truth. We are enraged at the French for not backing us in this "war". How dare they want to see proof before we attack? In this country we have an "Innocent until proven guilty" thing going on. However, I guess it doesn't apply when it comes to attacking other countries. Yeah, the Iraqis probably do have weapons of Mass Destruction. But until we had proof, we could've waited. What was the point of going on in? Why couldn't we have given the inspectors more time? If there was something of such importance that we HAD to go in right away, why haven't we been told about it? Because we went ahead without proof, we are now the most hated country on the face of the earth. Why? You have to keep asking why. You know what else, Michael Moore probably didn't check all his facts before he made "Bowling for Columbine". That doesn't stop the movie from being entertaining and thought-provoking. Speaking of which. Although I disagree with Harry on several things, I also agree with him on several things. And if he posts something that provokes thoughts in fan-boys, all the better. What does that make me? It makes me my own man. I think for myself. I read every article I can find on any subject that interests me. I read the conservative opinions and the liberal opinions. I watch the news from several different sources. (look around the net and you can find english language stations from around the globe). Don't worship the ground at George Dubya's feet. Don't believe everything that comes out of his mouth. He has put our nation in a precarious position. God bless our troops. I hope they kick Saddam's ass and blow his Republican Guard off the planet. But I question the reason we went in. I love the United States. I am a real patriot. I will speak out when I feel things are wrong. It is my right. I'm not a country music fan, but I went out and bought the Dixie Chicks CD after the boycott started. These so-called defenders of America who back George Dubya seem to be the first to want to trample on people's first amendment rights. No, don't speak out against the President. No, don't you dare wear a peace T-Shirt in my mall. No, don't you dare make a movie that might say something bad about the Bush family. I noticed right after the oscars, someone said Michael Moore didn't know his math when he called Bush a fictious president. He went on the say that Bush won both the popular and electorial vote. To that person, I say you don't know your recent history. Yes, Bush did win the electoral votes, but he lost the popular vote to Al "Why couldn't I be this funny during the election" Gore. Once again, I support our troops, but I, like Natalie Maynes, am ashamed of our President. Let the bashing begin.

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Content why does everyone keep talking about Michael Moore being fat? who gives a shit? He's an American, you all have a constitunional right to be fat. Use this freedom of paunch. Go! Eat all you can! Store it inside your cheeks like a hamster and duct tape yourselves in your mobile homes so that when them stinking arabs invade you can still feed your selves. The Bush family tree looks like a spiders web. Were all fucked. thanks for letting him get into power. No really, we all appreciate what youve done for humanity.

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Content If the U.S. goal was to kill women and children why wouldn't we just drop a nuke on the city and call it done. Come on people use your head. We could lay waste to the city and the entire population very easy if that was our goal. I see this as being the most carefully fought war in history (to avoid civilians) and yet still everyone bags on us. Why does no one bag on Saddam and his reign's tactics? Why does a significant portion of the world's population root for Hussein? I guess because no one has had to live under someone like him. I give up, very exasperated. I support the troops and wish them a safe and quick return. Out here.

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Content I love it when the talkbalks turn political, its always good for a laugh. Hearing the political "opinions" of uninformed geeks that still live in their parents' basement brings a smile to my face. Here are three basic arguments/retorts: a) Fuck you, I'm right! b)Fuck you, you're wrong! c)Fuck you, bloody yanks, Bush is Hitler and America is evil! Hearing Harry and Co. talk about politics is like 3rd graders talking about sex on the playground after they heard bigger boys talking about it; misinformed and just plain funny.

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Content If his crap was edited for actual truth there'd be 5 minutes, opening credits and closing credits. Its not about being an American its about socialism. The first thing any oppresive regieme goes after is the guns. Hitler, Stalin, Mao,their first acts were to collect up all the guns. And anyone who can in any way support Saddam, a guy who throws people into plastic shredders, is off their fucking rockers. This bullshit, "I love America" but hate everything it stands for shit is fooling no one. You want to protest, be my fucking guest. But have some balls and protest in Iraq. See what happens to you over there. Shitheads.

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Content so moore thinks Bush is using 9.11 to promote his own poliotical agenda, huh. so what does 'farenheit 911' say about moore http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

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Content Having read Stupid White Men, I'm glad to see someone of Moore's passion is still around. I hope more rally to his cause!

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Content thanks for one of the few sensible posts i've seen here lately. i think the reason alot of these anti-american bashers (outside the USA) hate us so much is SHAME, because at one point or another we either kicked, or saved, their asses. LISTEN UP, LOSERS: a great many nations in this world could have been top dog now, if they hadn't just ROLLED OVER AND DIED. lucky for the US, europe has embraced socialism, which pretty much guarantees it will never again amount to much.

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Content They pretty much rant and rave about GW Bush. But of the multiple posts pointing out what a lying POS Michael Moore is, there is no factual rebuttal. ------ So if you are a rabid socialist please shut up and leave the US. You are not convincing anybody and it is only a matter of time before someone discriminates (Legally) against you and you end up even more marginalized as a productive citzen of the US.

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Content Well...this is one of the strangest talkbacks ever....after taking the last hour or so reading all of the commentary, I conclude that everyone enjoys reading what they type, but sure as shit isn't reading anything else...to prove my point of how little this is being read, I will now list the eleven secret herbs and spices of Kentucky Fried Chicken (knowing no one will ever read them here)......salt, paprika, white pepper, thyme, garlic, onion, bay leaves, oregeno, ginger, black pepper, and parmesian cheese....enjoy.....And thus, I have made fun of the talkabck again! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

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Content Hey, Harry- siding with Micheal Moore isn't exactly helping your credibility problem here. Honestly, with this talkback AICN has reached a new low, and that's saying something. Sadly, it's only going to get worse since posting crap like this as 'cool news' will attract morons like dumping chum in the ocean will attract sharks. Onto why I posted- **Anyone out there know of any GOOD movies news sites that I can go to? If you do, please tell me, because I desperately need a replacement for this one.**

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Content from the wall street journal www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233 more facts about the jackass living in 'fictitous times' where deliberate and deceptive lies win you awards and pay for your mansion.

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Content It's sad that people that support this war gives Americans like me a bad name. Now when I go to other countries they will judge me by the actions of the Bush Administration and not as me as an individual.

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Content When Saddam INVADED Iraq WE went to WAR with him. You see how that works? These are two different words with two different definitions. You see, that's the problem with the American government. It's all black and white, all either/or. I've noticed that all Republican arguements are the same: a lot of declaritive statements with no real facts to support them. And the democrats are the same: anything that the Republicans say is wrong. And from the Greens: we told you so. Like I said before: stop simply repeating what Rush Limbaugh and Fox News Channel say and build your own opinions. Sure, it was a tradgedy that 3000 people died on Sept. 11th, but how many innocent Iraqi civilians have died so far or will die as a result of this invasion? That's what Fox, MSNBC, CNN etc aren't telling us. And why won't we just NUKE Iraq? Because NOBODY in thier right mind would support the use of nuclear weapons in a largely unprovoked war. If you think this war would still be going on if there was no oil in Iraq then you are lying to yourself. And that quote that someone posted by Teddy Roosevelt is absolutely right fucking on.

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Content You've become as rapid, and damn near as revolting as your hero of a sow, Michael Moore. "The ties between the Bush family and The Bin Laden family?" Where do you liberals get your conspiracys? Maybe if you would watch a little more Fox network, and little less of the Food Channel, you would actually learn something. Neither you nor Michael Moore have an American bone in your bodies. And if you love it so much, why do you talk so bad about it?

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Content BannthisUcommies "The first thing any oppresive regieme goes after is the guns. Hitler, Stalin, Mao,their first acts were to collect up all the guns." And what about England and Japan? Both are democratic and both have extremly restrictive gun laws. For crying out loud the English Police don't even have guns! The Japanese police, only the male policemen have guns and then not even all of them! And before you go crying I am some bleeding heart libearal who doesn't understand....my AR-15, 2 9mm Brownings and Mossberg 500A 12 Gauge would disagree. You know what though? I wouldn't cry to hard if they told me I couldn't have them anymore. I mean the fact that a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to kill the owner than the intruder, I mean that doesn't mean anything I guess.

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Content props to Moore for saying something that wouldn't come to light otherwise. Sure, he's mean and publicity spotlight whore, but he's getting things out there that wouldn't be said otherwise. An alternative viewpoint is always a good one to have.

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Content Much like Jerry Falwell using christianity to forward his own twisted shit.

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Content Or perhaps it's the Wall Street Journal. It's been awhile since i've seen "Bowling", but I rememberr that Moore was trying to make the point that the boy WOULDN"T have been in that crackhouse filled with guns if the mother had been able to stay home and just draw a welfare check rather than being forced into a program where she had to work 12 hours a day. And who cares if you have to wait 10 days to get a gun? YOU'RE STILL GETTING A GUN FROM A BANK!!!!!

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Content I find it ironic that the u.s government sticks by their intent to 'free' the iraqi people and bring an end to injustices such as wrongful imprisonment. While all the while the 500 and change prisoners and so-called terrorists against the united states are being held at guantanamo bay indefinately without ever being charged for any crime. They are being denied legal aid, and have also been given less than humane treatment, proof of some pictures released to the media. If the United States claims these prisoners to be prisoners of the U.S. then by all rights they should be allowed the same fundamental american rights embedded in the constitution. Amnesty should focus its efforts to force the american legal system forward to face this situation. The Western Justice System has just set back 200 years

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Content It's shocking to find out that part of Rumsfeld's war plans was built around the idea that the Iraqis WOULDN'T FIGHT BACK!!! We are doomed, if our victory was contigent on that. Rumsfeld is a goddamn fool. He was under-secretary of Defense during 'Nam, and helped lose that war, too. Bush is an idiot for picking a man who was involved in the failure of 'Nam. I can just imagine that drunk Texas frat-boy babbling through a mug of beer: "Well goddamn it, ol' Rummy did such a great job with 'Nam, let's give him another go! Yee Haw!" George Bush, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, and all these stupid flag-suckers are UN-AMERICAN. And all you people that support them are fucking traitors too. I had friends that died in the WTC... it sickens me to see how Bush has used their blood to further a personal vendetta that is de-stabilizing the entire Middle East and wrecking the American economy. And not saying word one about Osama... remember his promise that we would "Catch him running?" Ha! Bush is a goddamn liar. He's so crooked he has to have servants screw his pants on every morning. Bush likes to prattle on about Jesus and God, well I got some news for him: he's gonna go to hell for what he's doing.

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Content Bowling for Columbine is so full of bold face lies I'm surprised it didn't win best picture instead of best documentary. What historical events can Moore skew for his next movie? I guess we'll all find out.

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Content I say GO MOORE..somehow it was ok for any right wing crackpot to blame and crate wild accusations about Clinton but when the shoe is on the other foot we see what a bunch of thin skinned pussys you bush bootlickers are..You fucks are worse than the stepford wives when it comes to beliveing and agreeing with anything Bush or his propaganda arm FOX news tells you..Somehow i would not trust a news sorce that wakes up everyday to lick the dinglebrerys out of the the fat bloated Republican elephants crack..Being spoon fed and pandered to is just the same for being taken for a moron and FOX news gives to you in spades..MOORE has every right to question some sorrounding facts about Bin Ladins ties to the Bush's..Heck the republicans used 120 Million taxpayer dollars were used to bring down CLinton YET only 3 million taxpayer dollars were used to investage 9/11. Bush has OPENLY called for limits to the 9/11 investagtion..But just keep watching FOX news you brianwashed fucks and watch americans being shot at with wepons and resorces that were given to Suddam by the Reagan/Bush Adminstation..While your at it why dont you pick up a copy of the Rev Sung Youn Moon's ( you know the cult leader )Right wing washington Times to further insulate your brian from the truth...Oh and by the by i dont agree with MIKE MOORE %100 there are some things that he has done or said that i think are wrong. And heck i may not like this movie...But you know that whay having indipendant thought can do. Oh and to those people who are leaveing beacuse harry ( GASP ) has an opinon you dont agree with.. GET LOST! Movies are ART and right wingers sure as heck dont like art..( Art that makes you think anyway)..You people just dont seem to get that BUSH is a bad leader he cant win a PR battle SUDDAM HUSSAIN in the court of world opinon, He wants more tax cuts and for you to drive your big honking SUV when the war is costing america BILLIONS per day, Jobs are being lost by the THOUSANDS each week, The Econamy and stock market are in the crapper, Amrecans now have to say they are canadian when they travel abrod beacuse the WORLD HATES US and BUSH cant seem to figure out a good reason why we are in IRAQ..Is it the Wepons of mass destruction that have not been found yet? The Ties to Bin Ladin that have not been proven yet? Or is it the Libiration of Oil..Er i mean IRAQ to a democracy or will Bush install another right wing zelot that the US has been known to do? God the way and how many times BUSH and his cronies say the words WEPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION you would think its a cult chat...Now shine up those tounges right wingers Bushes boots are dirty!

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Content Moors Oscar speech was way off, but it was intended to be. And it doesn't change that US has a gun problem! Moore exposed it well Bowling for Columbine. Your war on terror has led you to attack a country that had nothing to do with 9.11!!!! The worldwide sympathy and cooperation after 9.11 is evaporating. And is there anybody who doesn't think the Bushes were closer in dealigs with Bin Laden then Saddam is today? Surly there is material for a documentary here.

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Content And it's true to an extent that if people are making a documentary the footage they choose to include will potentially reflect some of their opinions. But what Michael Moore does is completely on the other end of the spectrum. he doesn't just include footage that helps his argument, he basically makes a 2 hour opinion piece, and it's wrong to call it a documentary, period. He's no better than Geraldo Rivera, just that he's a lot funnier. And when's the last time you saw a documentary that ended up seemingly about the actual maker of the documentary?

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Content Whats up with Harry this past year? Poor angry fat man... Whether or not you approve of this war, it doesnt matter. Civilians are lost in any war, its just the facts of life. The Iraqi people are loving us for what we are doing, they are happy we are overthrowing their cruel dictator, so that they can start to live without fear. The U.S. is the light and hope of a dark world. This cruel man will be dealt with, and his weapons will be disarmed, and oh yea, take it to the bank when I tell you, this man has some serious shit stockpiled somewhere...

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Content We are living in precarious times, fellow Americans. Since the attacks on Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941, the U.S. Government has been using vague rhetoric, double-speak, and disjointed foreign policy to sell us a bill of goods that our Baby Boomer parents have bought hook, line, and sinker. Our worldwide policing is often justified with confusing verbiage and half-truths, and plays out like a demented game of

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Content Marxist and a Lenninist." -david Horowitz isn't funny how hippies grow up to be smart moderates that lean to the right. fuck all you anti bush commies. find a different cause. bush is going to be re-elected easily. go back to huggin trees and smoking pot on your fat smelly dreaded asses watchin shit like star trek and evil dead. fuckin ignorant dorks.

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Content It's hard to believe but apparently there are still some on the Left who think Bush stole the election. They're still whining. To understand why, maybe we need to go back and get a little perspective. Follow me here. Remember proposition 187? That was the voter initiative that said we would stop handing out entitlements to illegal aliens. It passed by a majority and was clearly the "will of the people". It would have seriously curtailed the Democrats ability to buy party loyalty and future votes with handouts. So it was overturned by liberals and lawyers, in a courtroom. Remember proposition 209? That was the voter initiative that ended affirmative action and racial preferences. It passed by a majority and was again the "will of the people". But it hampered the Democrats ability to play the race games they so love to play. So it was attacked by liberals and lawyers, in a courtroom. Does anyone remember voting to ban the Boy Scouts from our schools and our community buildings? To cut off their funding? Of course not. Clearly NOT the "will of the people" The Scouts refused to submit to the radical gay lobby so they got hosed. How you ask? You got it. Liberals and lawyers, in a courtroom. Remember the mantra: Every vote should count? Doesn

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Content My laundry list about Michael Moore and the War on Iraq. 1.Yes, Moore is a stark raving liberal. But can you name one so-called democrat in Congress who is? Is any one in government willing to stand up to Bush for their ideals? 2. Documentaries, like news, have biases. Documentaries deal with true subjects, and the true people involved. The documentarian then arranges the shots in order to get across a point of view. Therefore Bowling For Columbine is a documentary whether you agree with Moore or not. 3.People who disagree with the PTBs are scared stiff about speaking out. The few hundreds of thousands who come out for peace rallies are truly brave. Moore has nuts of granite to get on stage in front of billions to "show his cards". 4.Anti-war does not mean Pro-Saddam, or Pro-evil, or Pro-Dictators, or Pro-Killing-Americans. Nobody wants to see American or Allied soldiers die. But we also don't want to see innocent Iraqis die in a war started for suspect reasons. 5. I like Bush, he seems nice, like someone you could easily call buddy if you got to know him, but I think he's being misguided by forces in his own cabinet; especially Cheney and Rumsfield. Remember when Powell used to be a moderate, then suddenly he was the point man for US policy in the Security Council. Something's fishy here. Just some thoughts.

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Content Saddam is an evil fuck, but he is nothing compared to Kim Jong Il. The people that have been able to get out of North Korea have some of the worst horror stories since the concentration camps and Stalin's Russia. Cannibalism because he refuses to feed the people, or let humanitarian aid in. People are shot in the street just because they happen to be their and are left to rot. It's like the Warsaw ghetto and the Donner Party put together. The North Koreans are buzzing our planes, shooting missles over Japan, selling nuclear materials to Yemen, and can easily hit California. Saddam is the least of the world's worries.

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Content I liked The Big One and loved Roger & Me. I bought Stupid White Men at Barnes & Nobles in March 2002. I'm happy that Michael Moore's at it again, raising more ruckus and hatred among pro-war and pro-Bush than ever with the infamous Oscar speech (almost cut off by that old fart prune of a producer) and now Farenheit 911. It sure helps add fuel to the fire. You obsessive Moore-hating conservative (even blindly patriotic liberals) pundits cannot accept what Jack Nicholson screamed in A Few Good Men: "You can't handle the truth!" I trust corsor.org and whatreallyhappened.com rather than bullshit American mass media coverage of the war, economy and Fox News/media whores/Bush administration's spindoctoring (I won't watch cable or broadcast news oon the war anymore because truth is secondary to lies, censorship and hype). Here's a further proof of anti-war sentiment that's bound to raise your blood pressure to a boiling point - http://ericblumrich.com/antiwar2.swf

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Content Did you even read my post? Never once did I say that Michael Moore was an Al Gore supporter, I said he was mad that Gore lost the election! I guess you were too busy hurling insults to actually read and comprehend the contents of my post which is evident since you ignored about 95% of the truthful points I made.

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Content You may honestly disagree with what we are doing but the debate is over. We've been debating this for over a year and that's what elections are for. Bush made his intentions known and if enough people disagreed with him they could have voted the Democrats to a huge victory. We have 2004 to get rid of Bush and Michael Moore should concentrate on persuading people then instead of even pissing off people that don't support the war but were offended by the fool he made of himself. I also challenge the ridiculous theory that the whole world was with us after September 11th. The countries that hate us now have long hated us and some of them even gloated back then. It's plain outrageous that we pretty much support and pay for the UN and much of the world but 3rd World countries like Guinea and France can decide what's in our best interests.

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Content After reading MICHAEL MOORE's book "STUPID WHITE MEN", I came to the realization that Clinton wasn't much better than Bush. He was just more charismatic about it. The Democrats are fucking us just as bad. Any intelligent person today is an independent. As Moore said, "Democrats these days are just Republicans in bad suits." Read the man's book.

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Content As a 22 Year old Proud Conservative, it only makes me more delighted to see how bent out of shape all the Liberals and Socialists get over this stuff. For the past 60 Years, the Lib's have dominated our Social Structure, from the Media to our classrooms. Now we have a few select outlets that are spreading the Truth, and they hate it. Lets face it folks, Socialism & Liberalism are dead. People are starting to see through all the smoke and mirrors, and wake up to what it was that made this country great. Long Live America, the Home of the Free and Brave ( And some leftover Socialists like Harry and Mike Moore) God Bless America!

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Content George W. Bush, while probably well-meaning, was and still is too naive to be President and should never have had the nomination. While entertaining, the way radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity cover for him when he has one of the largest budgets in history is sickening. So much for "reducing spending" in Washington, huh? I wouldn't tolerate it if a Democrat were president and I don't tolerate it now that a Republican is, at least not anymore. And as most everyone here who remembers reading something I've posted knows (and I'm just arrogant enough to say something like that), I'm a staunchly conservative Republican, so fair warning, don't lump all conservatives and Republicans in the "narrow-minded" or "naive" or "gullible" category. That's a generalization and like most generalizations, displays nothing but stupidity, which is tragic considering that probably 70% of you are naturally more intelligent, at least, than I am regardless of personal beliefs or political affiliations. That's the great thing about the freedom of speech. It allows both Moores and Mooreses to speak their minds and both risk being flat-out wrong.

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Content Like most of the ant-war movement he was silent during ALL of Clinton's troop deployments and he is playing to a VERY small fringe. As far as that guy who pointed out that only 40% know who the VP is, I'll bet you they were all Democrats. If you voted for Bush you'd know who Cheney was. I know, I know, only about 50% of the people vote so that comes to about 25%, but that's just proof that Presidents shouldn't follow opinion polls and people who don't vote really shouldn't expect to be listened to. If you took time to vote, your man would be in there!!!

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Content While Moore's Oscar speech was a little extreme, the man has the right to speak his mind and say what he believes, whether you agree with him or not. It's not anti-American to disagree with the president, and it's not anti-American to speak out against the war. However, what IS anti-American is not allowing Americans to say what they belive without being ridiculed and called a "commie" or a "hippy". When a person can be arrested for wearing a shirt simply and politely asking for peace (which happened in my state), this is no longer America.

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Content michael moore is about the only one making sense these days.

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Content "remember most of this war is perpetrated by a leader the majority of the American people didn't even vote for." Truer words were never spoken. I hope and pray other countries realize Americans are being held hostage by this man.

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Content http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233 "When CNN's Lou Dobbs asked Mr. Moore about his inaccuracies, he shrugged off the quesiton. "You know, look, this is a book of political humor. So, I mean, I don't respond to that sort of stuff, you know," he said. "Glaring inaccuracies?" Mr. Dobbs said. "No, I don't. Why should I? How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?" Mr. Moore would deserve an Academy Award if there were an Oscar for Best Cinematic Con Job. If "Bowling for Columbine" is a comedy, most of its fans don't know it. They actually believe they're watching something that is in rough accord with reality." I love Lou Dobbs.

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Content ...and even to say it to whoever he wants to, and I have the right to call his opinions stupid, ill-informed, bigoted, prejudiced, idiotic and ridiculous. You have the right to claim that Bush was selected, not elected and I have the right to tell you that your opinions are silly, petty and immature. You have the right to say that Hook and Toys were bad movies and I have the right to say that I like Robin Williams work, even if the rest of the movie he's in is a little flat. You have the right to voice any stupid opinion you want to... God Bless America. *****

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Content Anybody notice that everytime anything pertaining to Michael Moore appears on a website, be it a book listing at amazon.com or an article at AICN, hundreds of Moore-fearing Republicans appear out of nowhere? These people are like an army sent by their bonehead leaders (Bill O'Reilley, Rush Limbaugh, etc.) to shut the oppositon up. 70% of these posts are clearly not from legitimate AICN readers. Totally fucking transparent.

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Content What you talkin' 'bout Willis? Do you honestly believe everyone who frequents this site has the same set of beliefs that you do? Grow up.

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Content He used to be in love with his wife, but now he even hates her. He called clinton in his newest book, a republican, and also in the show, The Awful Truth, he spoke out against clinton's war actions, and claimed that there were still attacks against the iraqi peoples during his administration. Also, in the wonderful world montage, they mention at least one attrocity that happened during the clinton presidency. The man is no democrat, he punched it for nader in 2000, and even blames himself for Al Gore losing in florida in one of the last chapters of his new book. Alot of the anti-moore press that is coming out recently is distorted and unfair, an attempt by our media to debunk a man whose drive it is to make americans think for themselves rather than having their thoughts given to them from televised media and the clear channel radio. He wants more voices to be free to have a forum in which to speak about how they feel, and he has worked really damn hard to get his own. People try to cite inaccuracies in Bowling, but what they dont realize is that when he does things like show a speach from a heston speach that happened a year later, he is taking liscense. When the biography shows on e!, vh1 and a&e come on, they take similar liscenses too. If they talk about their subject as being a real jerk, they may show a clip from a movie where they were acting off colored, or even take a frame from a clip of them sneezing so they look like they have an angry face. This is a tool that documentarians use all the time. Watch American Movie, and when Mark's brother says he should work in a factory, that clip was taken out of context, because his brother actually goes on to support him in an unshown scene, but it was used that way for the sake of the narrative, and to show what mark is up against. Moore did the same thing to heston, while I felt that it was a moot point, after establishing that canada had guns too, and no violence. Reguardless, here we have ourselves in a McCarthy era once again. Everyone is afraid to speak their minds, and those who do are debunked unjustly, or silenced. toj out

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Content Apparently, many of those who like BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE are unfazed by the reality that the movie was full of lies, factual errors, misleading editing, slander, and vitriol. Moore will be held responsible for the hatred he is stirring up against America. More innocent American civilians, and more Jews in Israel, will be murdered because of him and his anti-American propaganda. Either you care about Truth or you don't. No one has the right to spread lies and slander, which is what Moore excells at in his agitprop neo-Commie diatribes. Shame on Hollywood, and shame on AICN, for giving this evil man a forum to spout his vitriolic, crypto-fascist lies!

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Content not that it matters, im sure, but the winner of the presidential race rarely recieves a majority over (over 50%) Clinton beat Bush with 47 percent, then beat Dole with 42 percent. funny how his agenda or legitamacy was never questioned by the liberal media. one more thing, someone earlier said "thats why we live in a democracy." if anyone else thinks that, i need to hit you with a civics book. the United States is a republic (ie - elected representatives run the government), not a democracy (ie - the people, all of them, run the government). does "and to the republic, for which it stands" ring a bell. class dismissed.

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Content Wouldn't he be unable to make this film?

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Content just so there's no misunderstanding, i'm a LIBERTARIAN. i care any more for the right than i do the left, altho given the choice between the lesser of two evils, i have to go with the Republicans. i didn't like GB the first (sorry lying 'no new taxes' sellout), and i ain't all that keen on GB the second. that being said, why is it that anything a REpublican says is a lie, yet everything a democrat says is the goddess's truth? why is it that the leftists of the world, who hate America today, had no problem with us when Clinton was in office? why is it that the left, which demonizes "white males of european descent", are the first to spout off about how great european culture is? how much of the new anti-americanism is simply anti-semitism in diguise? just curious. QUILL - unless he has suffered a major head injury, there is no way that RON SILVER supports GWB. could you have meant JOEL SILVER?

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Content Huh? You mean Rush Limbaugh is still around? What -- cutting ribbons for new Wal-Marts and tasting jam at the county fair?

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Content Oh yes, the Bush administration is "anti freedom" and Osama Bin Laden is actually, Dubya's BROTHER!!! It's interesting to listen to theories, but you have to take them at face value, you have to accept that most of them probably aren't true. Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy folks. Too much X-Files guys, sheesh! Ofcourse the Bush administration is using 911 to champion their political ideology, why wouldn't they, and how is this a bad thing? It was the most spectacular fucking castastrophe the free world has ever seen and politicans aren't supposed to use it to get people passionate about putting an end to crime? This is only a bad thing to people who support criminals and their rights over the rights of 3,000 civilians being brutally massacured out of the blue, with no warning, for no reason at all. And if we continue to let criminals like Hussein roam the world, you better believe more shit will happen, maybe not tommorrow but someday. How niave can a person be? These people DON'T LIKE US! I just hope he doesn't brutally kill someone you care about before you finally decide we should try to stop criminals. How many more Iraqis does Hussein have to kill? How many more people must suffer before we deicde we must stop these criminals? I'm not sure why Harry is covering a propaganda film like this and not covering something THAT ACTUALLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ART OF FILMAKING. But it's his site and he can do what he wants. --MOri Report OUT

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Content Does anyone else find it terribly ironic that Michael Moore is hailed as a "champion" of freedom when he in fact is an admitted proponent of the elimination of many of the basic freedoms we have in the country he supposedly loves so much? Even if we forget for a moment that he proposes the the revocation of the right to bare arms, the man is still a knwn socialist and therefore (as an inherent quality of the philosophy to which he ascribes) advocates the violation of man's basic freedom to exist as a free and independent entity in a free society where all relationships are chosen, and negotiated for mutual benefit. Therefore no one can fail to see the irony (or should I say hypocrisy) in the fact that Moore uses freedom of speech to advocate the violation of the basic human rights from which his freedoms are derrived. So I ask you Harry, is Moore Freedom's champion, or one of it's most well voiced enemies and greatest threats? For anyone to believe that such a question still remains to be answered, they must first have abandoned reason to such an extent that they are beyond the possibility of redemption. Michael Moore is the anti-American.

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Content ...a movie about the connections between Jacques Chirac and Saddam Hussein? >:-\

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Content ...best post I've read here today!

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Content This is the last bit of time any of us should waste on this crap. THE ELECTION IS OVER!!!!!!!! Focus people! Come on! What is the point of arguing this point anymore? Who cares? You want to do something right? You want to do something worthwhile? Come up with a solution! Bitching on a talkback is not serving the country you profess to love. Making a sour grapes speech on a fluff awards show DOES NOTHING except get your name in the paper. I wonder what the actual percentage is of the people marching in the protests who actually voted in the last 10 years. How many posters on this site voted? How many Americans have done ONE DAMN THING in actual service of this country that they profess to love? We have become spoiled by our own success, feeding at an all-you-can-eat prosperity buffet, and now it's time to pay the check. Lip service is no longer enough. Tear yourself away from American Idol long enough to take a stand and get pro-active in your beliefs.

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Content This is the guy who liked Armageddon. If you dont like Fox news, dont watch it. I certainly wont watch anything from Michael Moore again, and I have a sneaky suspicion many others wont too.

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Content There's nothing we can do about the current situation, everyone just needs to get out and vote their asses off. A 40% voter turnout, whether for Gore or against can hardly be called the will of the people. Considering all the shit that flew around last time I doubt anyone will be able to screw with the results. Now's a good as time as any to vote.

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Content I am an EMS worker in NY. I cannot tell you how much it physically pains me to see Harry say anything positive about a man who makes an ass of himself in front of millions of people. While this is America, and we have the freedoms to say what we want about our ELECTED leaders*, there are appropriate times and places to do so. The Oscars? During a war? Not even close. Harry, a lot of very good people died on 9-11. Some of them were AICNers. And when I come home after riding long hours on an ambulance, and I read your words of adulation...I hear fallen comrades sadly shake their heads and cry. *Sorry, Micheal, there was an election, and just because it didn't end the way you wanted it doesn't change the result. And historically speaking, crybabies didn't change any other disputed election. Not in 1800, not in 1824, not in 1876, not in 1888, not even in 1960. But then, how would a high school drop out like you know this?

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Content Somewhere in the Swiss Alps....a conspiracy unfolds. A shadowy figure emerges from a secret underground fortress. Another, slightly plump figure approaches him. The shadow speaks, "Yee-haw! Er, Ah mean, what's the password boy?" The plump man responds "Operation Fahrenheit 911, mother fucker!" he exclaims as he rips off his mask to reveal...Secret Agent Michael Moore! "Your dastardly plan is fouled once again" he continues as he reaches over to the shadowy man and rips off his mask "George Dubya Bushfeld!" "MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" Bush laughs "So, you think a fat hippie like you could save the world, eh Agent Moore? Oh, I liked you so much better when you were being played by Jane Fonda!" An enraged Agent Moore swings on the evil Bushfeld hitting him square in the jaw and sending his head flying clear off his shoulders. "A fembot! I knew it! The Republican party is being controlled by Microsoft!" Then suddenly a mechanized voice responds from behind him "Boy Howdy Bitch!" the man thing exclaims. Moore swivels around, whipping out his Walther PPK and vouging the cool Roger Moore shooting stance. But there hovering before him is the evil Billy Gates in his robosuit! "Mwahahahahaha! Now nothing can stop us Republicans from taking over the world and destroying freedom! Why you ask? Well, it's quite simple you see...freedom failed! Mwahahahahaha!" Agent Moore had heard enough, he fires straight at Robo-Gates head "Take this you capitalist pig!" Unfortunately the bullets are neutralized in the force field built into Robo-gates Robosuit. "I will no longer tolerate you kind hearted liberals from trying to expose the truth! My ninja midgets will finish you! I will enjoy reading of your demise on MSNBC, FOXNews and AM radio" the robot nerd pronounced as he motioned over his shoulder to his band of ninja midgets. Luckily, Agent Moore was always one step ahead. He reached inside his jacket and pressed a button. His bulk then proceeded to inflate to three times his already gargantuan size and he began to float. A shocked Robogates snarled, "What type of non American technology is this?" The suave secreat agent replied "Not technology, but psychedelics. I used this new psychedelic drug made from Martian plants we discovered under the ice to increase my mind powers to wear I can manipulate my physical matter into any size or shape I wish it to be!" In awe, Robogates replied "Oh, cool like the Wonder Twins from SuperFriends? If so, then why not will yourself to weigh less than your normal size of 400 pounds?" "No, no, it's not like the Wonder Twins from Superfriends. Ugh, you Republican nerds just don't understand the power of mind altering drugs, but alas a new world is afoot, one where us peace loving left wing film loving hippies can be free to just make love, ingest drugs, watch cool films, and, and, make love all day long!" Suddenly, out of nowhere a dart screams from the finger tips of a ninja midget and into the side of Agent Moore's massive floating bulk. He begins to deflate, the rate of deflation sends him plummeting high up into the air and out of sight, in much the same fashion a deflating balloon would. Several minutes later, Agent Moore, now deflated, lands in a health spa, hundreds of miles away in the French Alps frequented by many beautiful French bimbos. His naked, gelatinous mass of flesh lying there in full view of all the beautiful women, the secret agent quips "Ah, I see my suits GPS brought me back safely." Behind him, a voice declares "Indeed it has, and you shall be paid handsomely by the French government." "Indeed," Moore smiles, "your governments Operation Harrypussy is working brilliantly, soon America, England, and the Middle Eastern nations will be engaged in a nuclear Armageddon and France will be free to reign supreme." >>>cue title graphics and music.

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Content I heard a rumour that in the wake of the French standing up to Bush some americans have renamed french fries freedom fries. Is this true? Someone refered to France as a third world country in an earlier post! What is with you guys? If you are so pissed at the French why dont you give them the Statue of Liberty back?

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Content Damn can this dude lie to himself anymore. Hey, let me ask you Cisco? How is the war going in your alternative dimension? Because in this one Coalition Forces are maintaining a more than 1000 to 1 kill ratio againt the Iraqi pieces of shit and are surrounding Baghdad from all sides? War is not going well? Man! You must love to lie to yourself! Hell, the only way those Iraqi filth can seemingly even score kills onm our forces is by using cowardly tactics like engaging in Suicide Bombings and and dressing up as civilians, but hey you are probably cool with all that right dude? Hey I got a great idea why don't you try and convince yourself that the sky is falling or possibly that the Planet Earth is really flat. you'd probably have an easier time making yourself believe those things than that this war isn't going well. Two finalo points: 1) Harry only likes Moore because he is obese like Moore. Just like the way Harry loves all fat assed filmakers lik Pete Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro, etc.. 2) Michael Moore should be forces to lick some of those Antrax-laced envelopes. That is all! Rogue Leader is jumping into hyperspace!

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Content ::applause:: Thank you, Donnie! And Rearden, it's the right to BEAR arms, not the right to bare arms.

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Content That's a damn fine point destructo

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Content Michael Moore is the worst kind of documentarian. One that skews facts to fit his own predetermined point of view on a particular issue. If he were a scientist, he'd think that man should never fly or that the world was round. Witness his Oscar winning Bowling for Facts ... er Columbine, where he skews facts about guns in order to fit into his point of view that they are evil and must be eliminated. He'll do no less in exploring an alledged connection between Bush and Bin Laden. And when he doesn't have any facts at his side (which will be many in this case) he'll simply make them up to support his specious contentions. This man has a hard-on for Bush and will obsess and obsess and scream and scream until people watch. One can only hope that Gibson's Icon will sew of the rights and never release this fictional non fiction film.

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Content Last time I checked, President Clinton was found to have PERJURED HIMSELF before a FEDERAL JUDGE, had to pay in a settlement, and lost his license to practice law. He's not in jail, granted, but I'd call that a vindication of those "wild accusations." Oh, that, and the convictions of Jim Guy Tucker and about 25 others in the investigation along with about $50 million in fines. Yeah, "wild accusations."

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Content Not that I blame the guy. Being married to Hillary would make any man yearn to stray! I personally would love to take Monica Lewinsky and, as Velma says from the Cell Block Tango in Chicago: "do #21, the Spread Eagle!"

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Content ...by looking at his military set up, he's going to pull an Alamo. Why do you think it was so easy to take the ground we did in such a short time? He let us. Think about it. If any country is invaded, the first skirmish is at the borders. There were none. My guess is, he's got the bio weapons inside Bhagdad and he'll blow them when we take the city. He doesn't care aout his people. They're expendable. What kind of human being would use women and children as shields as well as hide a T-72 tank in a hospital which is against the Geneva Convention? He'd kill his own people to prove his point. We have several troops that have been captured. One is a woman. You think Saadam's army is going to give her croissants and cappacino on a silver platter? Think what she's going through right now. I don't see any anti-war protestors asking Saadam to release her. Real tough anti-war protestors talk all they want, but when it comes down to a protest againt human rights for a female military soldier, they run and hide. I say we go in with a strike force, get our POW'S back to church and obliterate the entire place off the face of the map with MOAB. If he detonates those bio weapons, we'll have more casualites then we'll know what to do with which will give him the opportunity to roll right over us. If we stop the war right now and back off, the US will look like cowards, which will make him look strong and he'll gain more support from the other UAE countries who will in turn, blackmail us with their overinflated priced oil. Saadam will regroup and come back more defiant. I say we take this despot out, right now, that's it. Its over with. Enemies of this country will think twice before attacking it again. It may not be a perfect country, but its a lot better then some third world dump. I find it very interesting how after 911 everyone had to have flag waving or attached to their car. Yet, now, there are hardly any out there when they're needed the most; supporting our troops. You don't have to agree with the war, that's your right, but do not denegrate any member of the armed services. They are the ones that protect you while you're sleeping, that allow you the freedoms that you take for granted. Right now there's some kid freezing his ass off in a guard shack in Alaska or another dealing with the hot desert sun and sand getting shot at. How quickly most of the US citizens forgot about the World Trade Center. The people who died. The AMERICAN people. There is a reason why we're going after Saadam. People say he doesn't like Al Queda and vice versa. That may be, but in life, money talks. Money exchanges hands with enemies all the time.

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Content Michael Moore has announced his next project after the Bush-Bin Laden fantasy expose. It's tentatively entitled "Fahrenheight WWI" in which he will expose the ties between the Queen of England, The Czar of Russia, and the Kaiser of Germany. Michael Moore was shocked to learn they come from the same family and is determined to expose the connection between this family, World War 1, and the Bush war on terror (since there must be some soft of connection somewhere, right? Obviously, it's Moore's reason for living). "For one family to bring the World to War must mean that Bush is an evil man. And I'll get to the bottom of it." Moore was quoted as saying ... After which, he hopes to expose the connection between John Wayne Gacey, Ted Bundy, Gun Control, and, of course, George W. Bush.

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Content Since Bowling for Columbine proves facts are irrelivent to him, I cant wait to see this movie. This is the guy that said on his web site "If they wanted to get back at Bush why did they kill so many Gore voters." And he hoped the brokers on wall street choke on the rotting corpses at ground zero. Plus he said we went to war with Afhganistan for a pipe line. The only reason.

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Content In the past i accepted Michael Moore for his word. I believed in his cause, but lately I have found him a bit heavy handed. Resembling someone from the far right then a reasonble social activist. If one thing I hate more then anything else is dishonest activists, whether it comes from the right or left. It scares me that so many people believe opinions without checking the factual basis for them. Statements like "Bush set up 9-11". My fucking dad made that statement. When I asked him what basis of fact he made that statment he said " I heard it on KPFA radio (a local leftwind radio station) Now mind you I also find statments from the likes of Michael Savig too be just as stupid and unfounded. Prove your fucken arguments or least provide some documentation. Michael Moore is now off my list of reasonble folks.........him and Michael Savige should hang out...they argue the same way....with emotion and not fact. W

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Content Unfortunately a few places in the States have renamed French Fries to Freedom Fries as a sort of inane protest against the French. At first I found it amusing, but then I realized it's trivial and immature. Some Americans can't just accept the fact that our old French allies differ with us on this issue. Sure, the French may be more interested in their business dealings with Iraq than saving lives, but renaming French Fries to Freedom Fries? Come on, that's just silly. And to all those who say the French owe us for World War II, well, we owe them for the American Revolution and the aid they gave us. My personal thoughts on Iraq is that I couldn't see them as a clear and present danger. The Gulf War ended in 1991 and in that time span no terrorist attack on America was linked back to Saddam's brutal regime. So my question is, what's the urgency? Sure, Saddam is a sack of shit, but does the cost of war outweigh the benefits? I think it does, since Iraq does not seem to pose an immediate threat. I don't see the rush to getting rid of Saddam. But then again, I probably don't have all the information that Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush have on Saddam's regime. Nonetheless, I think that we should not have launched this war. Too many lives will be lost for something that really doesn't seem necessary. And I know that the sanctions have killed 60,000 Iraqis since they were imposed after the Gulf War and that they've done nothing to injure Saddam's regime. I wish we'd just removed the sanctions and avoided a war. That way the Iraqis are no longer starving and Saddam can't say, "Oh it's because of the Americans and British that you're dying." That's all water under the bridge now. The war has been launched. So I hope for a quick end to it and I support the coalition troops. I'd rather have them not be there fighting an unnecessary war, but I will support them as long as they are. Hopefully peace will be around the corner.

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Content Michael Moore is nothing more than a conspiracy theorist and a gadfly. And he needs a good swatting. In the linked article, he claims that the financial success of his projects is proof that most people agree with him. This is patently absurd. The attraction of a Moore film is the circus geek at the center, never the politics. Moreover, Moore's claim is strikingly hypocritical considering the fact that he is an unashamedly bedwetting liberal. Does he actually believe that his values are justified merely because they generate cash?! Besides being gauche, this notion is not even logical. The profitability of Moore's enterprises has derived from the pocketbooks of a tiny segment of the population, and even among these, there is no reason to assume that they condone what they are watching. I suspect, in fact, that many are just rubbernecking, as at the scene of an accident. Moore, after all, makes gloriously entertaining trainwrecks, but compelling treatises? Hardly. In truth, the majority of Americans have never read his book, have never seen his film, have never even heard of Moore, much less agree with his insanely convoluted rants. This is all no surprise, though. Moore's true cause is, and always has been, self-promotion. To wit, the self-important grandstanding Oscar speech, followed by his pathetic defense that the boos came from his own friends! Of course, none of this is news in the Industry, where it is widely acknowledged that Moore is a selfish and intolerable prick. His role as a vanguard of free speech must be placed alongside the likes of the Ku Klux Klan; while one must support his right to shoot from the lip, it is difficult to defend the content of his phillipics. That said, if Moore truly cares about the causes he promotes (this is somewhat doubtful), then he should self censor. His wildly chimerical homiletics can not be taken seriously by anyone with a conscience, and so they actually serve to undermine the ideas which they seek to promote. Moore's films are a disservice to liberal politics and an insult to human intelligence.

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Content Sit down, Michael. Americans are spilling their blood for your freedom and lifestyle.

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Content 1)I love it how the talkbacks grow huge once more as soon as the Facer removes the ability to post on his site...about bloody time. 2)I don't agree with Michael Moore on his stance against the state of America, but I'm glad he's making this movie. Hopefully, he'll be able to explain his feelings in a cogent fashion without using the smoke-and-mirrors propoganda that he accuses this regime of employing. And HARRY KNOWLES READ THIS: some people disagree with Michael Moore. I love that he has the right to express his mind, but the fact that you are trying to tell us that we are wrong is just another example of how you alienate readers. I understand why Michael Moore said what he said more than most, and I don't think he did it for the sake of being a psuedo-intellectual "hipster," I think he really is impassioned about his convictions, and in that respect, I agree with everything you have to say. But to tell us all that Moore is the last bastion of freedom and, basically, that we're all subservient sheep is untrue, unfair, and unnecessary. You have a right to speak your mind as much as the next guy. But that's a pretty condescending statement for you to make. We all love this country and realize it has the potential to be more than it is right now. But it all seems kind of self-important to me to say something like that when there's a war going on. As long as you can live with it, so can I, but the only fans you're making by tooting your own horn are sheep of a different wool.

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Content ...is going to be a really splendid work of fiction.

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Content Food for thought at andrewsullivan.com... http://andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20030310 Clnton and Bush have basically the exact same foreign policy - on Iraq, Kyoto, everything else - but noboby cried and whined with Clinton. This is not about anti-war, it's about anti-conservative. Plain as day. That's why none of you assheads protested at all when we bombed the hell out of civilian cities in Bosnia.

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Content 1)Al-Jazeera is more subjective than CNN or MSNBC or FNC. Even though all three of those channels are more one-sided than they need to be. 2)Once you guys read the letters CNN you probably scrolled down to the next post. 3)Adrien Brody really is a class act. His observation of Michael Moore on The Tonight Show was probably the most even-headed and thoughtful one I've heard all week, as opposed to James "Urmmm...don't listen to that jackass!" Woods. 4)The Simpsons had a funny episode tonight that regarded, among other things, documentaries. This really is the best season, they've had in a while, I'm Hoe (get it? Hardy har har).

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Content You know, if you just skill through all the impassioned name calling, you can actually learn some stuff. That "Truth About Bowling" link was very informative. I'd like to rewatch Moore's film now, to see how he edited Heston's speeches and so on. However, all you nationalists need to calm the fuck down and realize that this country is all sorts of fucked up. So Moore is a liar. Okay, I accept that. His credibility is pretty much shit in my book. However, some of what he says is true. Read Greg Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy." It's only about $14. Learn what your "enemies" use for their arguments!

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Content And if the media is so liberal, then why is it all owned by huge corporations, including the biggest defense contractor? Give me a break with that liberal media bullshit. To republican assholes the only thing that is not liberal is pure Nazi-ism. Besides, since when is being a liberal a bad thing? Who puts out the idea that being liberal is a bad thing? The corporate owned, conservative run "liberal media". Standing up against what you think is wrong is THE BASIS OF AMERICA. Michael Moore is doing what any good American would do. He is speaking out against what he thinks is wrong with America. Even if you don't agree with what he says, if you consider yourself a real American you still have to support his right to say it.---- Oh, and by the way, I don't consider myself a liberal. I won't lump all of my beliefs into what someone else says is a correct combination. I will admit that I do follow one true belief of mine I am an anti-republican. I consider republicans the antithesis of anything good in america. They lie about things that people care about, like religion, and family, to get the weak ones to support them, and then they do the opposite of what they say they will do. They promote killing, and racism, and work against family values. All they have to do is say they are Christian, and then they can do the opposite of what a Christian should do. Tell me, would Jesus support cutting wellfare programs, making peoples lives worse, and then spending a thousand times more than that on weapons that will kill millions when used? I doubt it.

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Content ...have ANY idea whatsoever how the media works? THERE IS BIAS IN POPULAR MEDIA. OTHERWISE, IT WOULD NOT BE POPULAR. Is "Bowling For Columbine" edited in such a way that it presents Heston, the NRA, etc., in the worst possible light? Of course. Is the Truth About Columbine website guilty of the same thing? Of course. **** I'm not a democrat. I'm an avid gun rights activist. I'm a journalist. I've seen "Bowling," and to be honest, most of the arguments presented in the "Truth About..." website are subjective observations; the author wanted supplemental information that Moore did not present. Maybe he wanted a disclaimer pointing out that the events chronicled in the "documentary" weren't arranged in chronological order, and that quotes were spliced to together, and that blah blah blah. Tough nachos. **** This is what we media folks do, because WE SELL THINGS. I'm not advocating crooked, or even overtly biased, journalism. But as long as someone is writing checks, that's what you'll get. Moore's "lies" were no more egregious than anything that appears in the major newspaper I work for, or on any major cable news network (Fox News is particularly guilty). Fans of such news outlets should be honest enough with themselves to realize this. It's pragmatic. It's business. **** Was "Bowling" deceitful? Well, damn it, we all know that Moore is a blatant liberal. A responsible viewer will digest his work with that in mind. I did, and despite the bias, I came out unscathed. Hell, the bastard even made a few points worth thinking about. **** Take ANYTHING you read/hear/watch with an appropriate amount of salt, be it a documentary, criticism of said documentary, or talkbacks about said documentary. Hell, do the same with politicians, because they're selling, too. Ever met an honest salesman? (Jeezus, people are stupid.)

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Content why not? I mean it's not like he wrote a book about how much he hates everything and everyone republican and everything and everyone having to do with the GW presidency..

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Content And God knows, we need a Spider Jersusalem right now.

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Content because he's a fucking jerk. can you imagine MM and Harry having sex?

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Content When in England, at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush. He answered by saying that, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return." It became very quiet in the room.

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Content Boy, people on this site sure do love to feel smart. It's as if they've already decided what they were going to say in response to a group of people before even having anything to respond to. Naturally, I mentioned subjectivity in the media, so I'm the poor soul who gets reamed. Listen to me: Al-Jazeera is more subjective than CNN OR FNC OR MSNBC, but ALL 3 of those stations are MORE ONE-SIDED THAN THEY NEED TO BE. The media is not "liberal," popular media present a stance that they think will make them more popular. I acknowledged that. But to all of you bitching about the propoganda of certain news channels, realize that it could be a lot worse. Because Americans have the right to speak out about what they want to hear the media is, for better or worse, tailored to appeal to as many people as possible. Because of that, there is an inordinate amount of flag-waving. But there is also a lot more reflection than you could possibly hope to get in other countries for the exact same reason. I mean, Putin arrested a puppeteer for making fun of him on a kid's show, for pete's sake. Right now, Al-Jazeera is probably broadcasting the buildings that the Iraqi military lit on fire and telling its audience "Saddam claims it was the Americans." Never mind the fact that we help restore their running water. That's all I was saying. But this is a Big Issue, so people stand with their fingers poised to dance across the keyboard, hoping for any statement to construe as adverse to their own. I hope you all feel really proud that you have a good beat on the war. For a bunch of armchair politicians, surely you must have more important things to do than shoot down anonymous people's opinions on a movie website at these ungodly hours.

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Content the point is profusely apparent to most people..sigh.. Contrary, to what has been said earlier(both expressly and implicitly), the United States is not an imperialistic world conqueror..

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Content I guess what's great about America is that barely 1 1/2 years after the greatest mass murder of men, women, and children on American soil, it is absorbed into our usual gridlocked political debate about whose President is the villain of the last 10 years(Clinton, Bush), and which party is holier than thou. From the left side, do you think that Michael Moore will really make a film about those 9/11 murders that treats the topic with any real fairness or consideration? It'll be about Michael Moore. Always remember that the hijackers of those planes -- using techniques developed in previous air-jackings, tied helpless female flight attendants up and then slashed their throats to draw the pilots out of the cockpits for slaughter. Those flight attendants were hardly trained soldiers. This was just the begining of the carnage that day, and to utilize it for debate --either right or left -- so soon after its occurrence is a sad exploitation of a great tragedy for political gain. MY beef, BTW, with Hollywood stars taking up liberal/socialist causes is their pay. Does any human being deserve, in this world, in this day, to make $25 to $60 million for eight weeks of work making a movie? (Then taking the rest of the year off?) $100 million for a few years spouting jokes on a TV show? This is ultra-captalism, not socialism. It is this essential guilt about their obscene pay that compels stars to affiliate with "little guys." P.S. Moore said no one "on the floor" booed him. The multi-millionaires on the floor didn't boo him. The working people stagehands -- the "little guys" for whom Moore supposedly stands -- booed him.

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Content I've seen Bowling twice, once downloaded, and because it was entertaining, once in the cheap seats. It was an interesting bit of propaganda, but nothing more. I say this as someone who, more or less, agrees with the gist of what Moore says. The thing that pisses me off about him is that when the truth isn't convenient, he'll just rewrite history to suit him. Most cases, his statistics have no source to go back to, and no actual sources support what he says! (Often by a fair amount...) Perhaps the definitive case of his BS is when he remixed a few of Charlton Heston's speeches, taking snippets here and there to make a speech that never happened!!! ( http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html ) For that alone, he has lost my respect through utter lack of integrity. I start off on his side, but find it hard to stay there through all the lies. I can only hope he hires someone to clean up all the BS in his new movie, because it's an issue that needs attention. Maybe people will realize what Bush (or rather his subordinates) are doing, whether they're convinced through loads of BS or simply looking around them.

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Content *Sighs heavily* Harry, tsk tsk, you have finally let me down, my love. You are usually SO right on the money. But not this time. I cannot agree more with Mike1949. You people need to seriously wake up!Thank you, Mike, for your detailed post. Finally, someone with truth AND common sense. Micheal Moore is a hypocrit, Bowling for Columbine is proof in and of itsself. All you need to do is watch it to see. Harry, precious, you are my link to all that is movieland. The coolest of the cool. Please remove that black cloud that is misjudgement from your eyes. Don't break my heart again. Bring me more info on how 'At The Mountains of Madness' is coming along,hmm? And Harry, dahlin',*kiss kiss* ..... Call me :) -Diva

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Content As a former Austinite, Harry let me say you are The Man! "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military- industrial complex." President Dwight D. Eisenhower I like Ike. Lest we forget... when America's vital national interests were endangered by the imminent threat of invasion by the Viet Cong.. here's what today's warmongers (or would that be industrialists looking to make a buck out of "reconstructing Iraq"??) were doing. http://www.freeworldalliance.com/newsflash/2002/02newsflash1442.htm

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Content I would pay seriously long bank to see that debate. Toppu o Nerae!

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Content He did a sort of stand up show in the Roundhouse in London, and came up with some absolutely fascinating parallels between Bush and Bin Laden. There were a few things in there that I can't see making it on screen - not least the bit where he had the entire audience give him their reward cards from supermarkets, which he then shredded live on stage - but if even half of it does it will be a fascinating film, and one which the world could do with seeing.

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Content First of all, Moore is a polemicist rather than a propagandist. He is left wing in only the loosest and most American sense of the word, and would not qualify as such in most other countries. Secondly, there is nothing inherently more terrible in 9/11 than in any of the other tragedies which Moore discussed in Bowling for Columbine or which are discussed by other filmmakers daily around the world - it just had a greater impact on many of you by virtue of its scale and unprecedented effects on American life. All the more reason, then, to discuss it. Thirdly, if Moore gets you thinking about it even enough to try to prove him wrong, that's a result. The guy who wrote the definitive work on the documentary and physical evidence of the Holocaust did so in an attempt to prove that it never happened. Fourthly, stop quibbling over the definition of a documentary and discuss the damn issues.

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Content Just remember your stance when the next terrorist attack on this country happens. It will happen again, and we all know it, as we're not as naive as we were before 9/11. When New York gets hit again, or Chicago, or Los Angeles, and thousands more Americans lose their lives for no reason other than simply being American, just remember that it's views like yours - that it's OK to murder our fellow man for your cause - that propogate this madness. How many of you are Christians? Do Christians support the killing of thousands of human beings like yourselves? You say that we're simply defending ourselves against a evil empire? Ask yourself: Who killed first? Perhaps it's time to calm your emotions and think clearly. This is not about politics - its about humanity. If a pilot in the Iraqi army or the USAF gets killed, he never gets the chance to go to medical school and discover the cure for cancer that's slowly and painfully eating a member of your family alive. How ironic is that?

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Content America and the administration is wrong. Mark my words. The truth will prevail! WE NEED MORE MOORE! the last true American! And stop assuming we anti-war folk are uninformed.

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Content just a thought here from another canadian . you americans just love to hate us these days , just like anybody who disagree with you ( France , Germany, and 90 % of mankind ;) ) A lot of you talk about liberalism , socialism, conservatives, communists, etc. I just think that a lot of you dont really know what the fuck they're talking about be it on the political or economic aspect of these terms . People also tend to confuse the profound meanings of political liberalism ( liberty, equality, property, free speech, do what the hell you want as long as it doesnt bother anybody ) and the economic side of that term ( the whole concept of free market ). When americans talk about lib vs cons , they refer to the political aspect and tend to confuse a lot of concepts , economic liberals are thrown into the same basket as communists and socialists , and that is just not correct

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Content YOYOYO!!!! LET'S JUST CHILL OUT!!! TAKE A CHILL!!! Just looking at this talk back makes me see the flaws of a world driven by a democracy that's driven by hatred. It's horrible!!! I mean if this continues then we all might be facing a very, VERY bleak future that even Micheal Moore won't save us from!!! And on the subject of Michael Moore, he taught me to question everything. Now i think it's time HE answered a few questions!!!

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Content ...judging by the number of completely ignorant American red-neck retards posting up here. I wonder how many of the gung-ho pro war folks can find Iraq on a map let alone actually served in the military? Every active duty military guy I know thinks this war is the stupidest one yet but they're over there now, doing their duty to the rousing cheers of the ignorant beer swilling masses. Maybe if W. had spent less time snorting coke and more time paying attention to his father at work we'd have more than one or two allies in this one with use. Thanks W, you inept useless excuse for a dplomat and president. You've thorughly embarassed the USA. I look forward to the red-nuck talk back replies. Save your breath, put another flag on your pickup truck.

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Content Just curious. It seems to be that we all have a lot of conflicting 'facts' re the war/the world in general. Is it possible that we are all being 'lied to' by someone.(whether you're conservative, liberal, whatever). I'm not a conspiracy theorist but seriously, how do you know your sources are absolute fact when you don't trust other peoples? Anyone?

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Content Interesting to note the talkbacks that mention MM's weight with regard to whether he should be taken seriously. Wow - you lot really haven't been conditioned by Madison Avenue's finest, have you?

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Content As Mr. Garrison would say, "You go to hell, you go to hell and die!"

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Content ...are starting to show leaves what with it being springtime and everything. I hope you have all put your clocks forward. http://thesmokehammer.com/

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Content Oh dear. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but being a college drop-out does not make one stupid. Although talking about "liberal lies" as if the two words were synonymous probably does.

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Content I imagine Michael Moore would be in the Lord of the Rings camp, whereas Bush is probably leaning to Episodes I and II.

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Content Next they'll be giving it to Oliver Stone....

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Content Anyone noticed how Moore gets more TB inches than anything else not involving lightsabers, hobbits, or robots ruling the earth? And even then it's a close thing. I'd say his work here is done.

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Content Nevermind Harry that both of Moore's commercial success stories have been entirely and completely broken asunder by the invading armies of truth and reality. It is well and widely documented that he flubs facts, ignores facts, and in some cases, COMPLETELY MAKES UP THE FACTS. Praise him and award him, but all the while, your credibility falls down go boom. I dont care about his politics and I dont care about whether you like fox news or not - all I care about is that a very important and vital aspect of film (documentaries) is being raped anally by Moore and his lack of a personal committment to telling the truth instead of trying to sell tickets. And sorry Harry, but you're being a blind-eyed kool-aid drinking liberal if your only motive in supporting Moore is that you share his political ideals. He doesn't film the truth Harry. You know it and we know it - and your decision to ignore this and praise him just to further a political opinion, is juvenile and dishonest. Thats why people aren't buying your book - you ignore real issues when those issues might damage your political predispositions.

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Content "Why of course the people don't want war. . . . That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." --Hermann Goering, Nazi officer, during his Nuremberg war crimes trial

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Content I don't think you can discount the man's opinion because of his weight. That should go without saying; however, one's weight is an excellent barometer for self image. The fact is, that anyone who can let themselves bloat to an unhealthy disgusting corpulence has either no self control, or is substituting food for something that is missing in their lives. We can all pretend that "big is beautiful" but in point of fact it most certainly is not. It is quite the opposite, and pretending otherwise will do no one any good. Now Michael Moore is low on this scale as he is of an "average" overweight status, and not obese, but still it can't be healthy to be that doughy and out of shape. So please can we all stop pretending that different things are the same? That isn't equality; it's fantasy. As far as his films go, I have always liked them, I haven't always agreed with him, but that really isn't the point now is it? yes, he skews things to his own liberal slant, but anyone with a minimal intelligence can see that and filter it through their own beliefs. If he challenges those beliefs then good. Beliefs that have never been challenged are merely theory. I don't have to agree with Michael Moore to find his films compelling and funny.

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Content ...AMERICA is the issue. Hide behind whatever political denominational smokescreen you choose, but you'd be missing the point. Whether Moore is pumping up percentages or indulging paranoid fantasies (personally, I don't believe he is doing either) is not really relevant -- the film's messages are what's important. Highlighting some painful facts: America HAS A GUN PROBLEM. America continues to SUFFER A RACIAL DIVIDE, fuelled by irrational hate and ridiculous paranoia. America is basically A PARANOID COUNTRY whose administration seems more predisposed to go to war than that of any other western nation (and don't give me that "But we're a superpower" shit). I'm not at all anti-American -- as someone in this talkback previously mentioned, America used to be great, the envy of the Earth -- but things have changed a way since then... and I don't have to tell you all that. No matter how Moore chooses to put it, or where he finds his information, it remains that the three painful facts I mentioned earlier have all got to change. Look within, America... Look within and EVOLVE. (Apologies to Bill Hicks.) That's all Moore's saying. Anyone that has America's best interest in heart has to be treasured, preserved and valued. Look within and evolve. Please.

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Content then he should go to Iraq right now and start taking notes on this "fictious" war! Regardless of how you feel about the war,you should support the troops-those people are risking their lives so that you disagree with your government without fear. To call this war "fictious" is insulting-I'm a New Yorker and for him to use 9/11 as a forum to bash Bush is a disgrace to those who died that day. Oh,and yes, Bush is the president-GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!! If the Hellmouth is going to open up,it'll choke on me:D!

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Content At least Rush was drawing true connections when he was dissing Bubba not self serving fantasies like that fat lesbian looking whore michael moore. Fuck off and die liberal cunts!

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Content -- Peter Jennings dropped out of fucking PREP SCHOOL, and he's still one smart motherfucker!

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Content Bush is not politicizing 9-11 -- he stood up and acted like a LEADER. Must've been a shock to all those people kissing Clinton's poll-watching ass for the last 8 years. MOORE is using 9-11 for his own purposes, not the President. Shame on him. "Bowling" was NOT a documentary - it was fiction; if he handles 9-11 in the same way (faking edits & cuts to rearrange the facts), he will be committing a serious crime against those who were truly affected by the horror of those events. This guy has sadly misused his 15 minutes.

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Content Just like all his other films where he takes subjects out of context and edits to suit his views. He's a mook.

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Content ...He would probably have dusted Bin Laden by now, instead of having decommissioned the missile launching battleship in the Persian Gulf that was just waiting for sufficient targeting information to launch a volley at the bastard (as Junior did). 911 would have never happened because Gore's policies were already in play, no need for a "Reichstag Fire" to facilitate a christer/fascist takeover (like the one Junior's henchtrogs engineered).

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Content Hi everyone, first time I post here, and already feeling like I'm gonna have my ass severely kicked : yes, I have to admit it, I'm french. I personnally am against this whole mess mister Bush is causing almost everywhere on the planet, simply because he believes he's got God on his side. I'm pretty pessimistic, to tell the truth. Things are not going to get better. Can only get worse, with what W. has to offer the world. I thought the USA had had their share of tragedy with the N

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Content This is exactly what I dont need the political ramblings of a bunch of talkbackers. Worthless

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Content doesn't anyone think the mere idea of a war on terrorism is ludicrous? you can't fight terror. nothing bush does will prevent further terrorist attacks. that said it would be nice to see the back of saddam (and barbara streisand come to think of it but the french would probably veto that... oh yeah who gives a shit about international law or law in general! lets have streisand locked up)

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Content I also love how Harry posts crap like this and then messes with the TB order so people can't debate. Harry should stick to schilling movies instead of politics.

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Content Supporting the troops is not synonymous with supporting the war. You can say that the current war is wrong (and it is illegal, unquestionably, in international law) without impunging in any way on the troops who are carrying it out. Blame the people who started it - the army are just poor boys who do what they're told. As for the rest of the Moore-naysayers out there, you don't have to agree with him. You don't have to like him. But he does make some valid points which are worth a least a little thought of even the most brain-challenged amongst you. I realise your brain time is precious, but please don't use it spouting slogans you heard in Ignorance Is Us daily or whatever it is that you subscribe to.

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Content ...First off a few things must be accepted. 1) HALF of the voters out there voted for Bush and HALF of them voted for Gore (minus a small amount for Nader) give or take a very miniscule percentage point. I know that one half wants to think that the other half are stupid idiots but that's just not the case on either side. Very bright, intelligent people voted for their favorite candidate and Bush won according to the rules. 2) ANY ADMINISTRATION will have access to intel that they're not going to reveal to the public for many good reasons. 3) Our ELECTED leaders (and Bush was elected under our agreed-upon election laws) are supposed to act in our best interests because a) that's how they get re-elected and b) that's their job! If they don't do that then they get kicked out in the next round of elections. ***** This war is being protested primarily, if not almost completely, by Bush-haters. Why do they hate Bush? Because he's not an extension on the previous administration. See, the Bush haters are mostly people who like to 1) do drugs 2) party hard with alcohol and 3) cheat on their spouses/significant others. Basically immoral people. IMMORAL, you ask indignantly? Yes, immoral. They desperately wanted Al Gore to win, a man who at one time knew that baby-killing was wrong and was against it, but then decided that if killing babies would get him votes, then let the babies die. Haven't you always wondered why they are against the immoral people being put to death (murderers) but are all for the innocent dying? ***** So Bush, a man who represents America's desire to put the past President's days of immorality behind them, is hated by the drug-using, alcohol-abusing swinging baby-killers. Are these people afraid that we, the people who don't do these things, are going to start persecuting them? Maybe that's why they're on the attack, to keep us on the defense so that we can't muster up an attack on their cherished immoralites. Well guess what, you crackheads, we've got bigger fish to fry. Just go on home and look forward to 4:20 everyday while the real people, those who are too busy at work to come out and counter-protest your idiotic Bush protests, support our President that WE elected and Trust. That last word gets to the heart of the matter, doesn't it... who do you trust? Me? I trust George Bush and his administration, at least until he gives me a reason to not trust him. ***** Here's a little mental exercise... if 1) Gore had been elected and 2) 9-11 happened and 3) Gore had access to the exact same intel that our current administration has and 4) Gore reached the same conclusions that Bush did and 5) the U.N. snafu had happened the same way, then would you still be against the war? It's very possible, people, that if Gore were indeed (shudder) the President that he would be doing the exact same thing, just in a more condescending voice.

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Content because he is not the only source of information in the world. that's like saying that Harry and Moriarty are neglecting their responsibility to inform us about sports. if i wanted to learn about sports, I'd go to any major corporate media outlet. as I want to learn about movies in production, i go to this site and a number of other similar sites. if i want learn the the war story according to the government, I go to any one of the corporate media outlets. If I wanted to learn the anti-war story, then I go to Moore's site, wbai.org, counterpunch.org, read Chomsky and Zinn and other similar sites. oh, some of you radio fans might find this interesting: overheard in a resturant: "did you know that the pro-war demonstrations were funded by a media corporation? somebody called clear channel." saying that the media is pro war is like saying that sony is pro spiderman 2. this is their blockbuster, only much more expensive and, last but not least, real people die.

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Content It's strange that you think all 'bush haters' are drug dealers/party animals who drink excessively/people who cheat on their spouses. Don't you know that Bush was an alcholic party animal until he was 40? By your logic he must hate himself, and who wants a leader with that many insecurities? Just goes to show where generalisations will get you. And lets face it, unfortunately there's infidelity on both sides of the political fence.

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Content The hour gag only happened because Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene.

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Content Harry you really are a piece of shit. So is Micheal Moore. I would love to see the both of you deposited in Bagdad and ejected from our country forever. This site is removed from my favorites and I hope others do the same. Hasta. Last post EVAR.

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Content To show my support for Harry and AICN's view of the world, I will be doubly sure from now on to not click on ANY advertising links I see here, nor purchase any products they promote from this site. That way I can enjoy the same Marxist-socialist collectivism as espoused by Harry and MM. I get to still enjoy all the content - and screw capitalism! Yeah! Let's all agree from now on to join Harry, MM and their People's Republic of AICN to NOT support the evils of this Amercian system that exploits the workers. Heil Harry! Heil Michael Moore! Death to America's imperialist running dogs!

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Content "LanPB01 Subject: Proof that our public education system is failing Comment:The fact that anyone can listen to the liberal lies and half-wit comments from COLLEGE DROP-OUT Michael Moore (should people this stupid even be allowed to talk about September 11?) without popping a blood vessel in anger is proof that we need to overhaul the public education system in this country." What exactly does being a college dropout have to do with anything here? You say it like it may be the lowest form of human on Earth. Let's see, I dropped out of college yet I own my own successful business. Let's see, I dropped out of college yet my house is paid off. Let's see, I dropped out of college but my business does well enough to send me to Japan at least once a year on business AND it built me a totally brand new building this year from the ground up. Boy, being a college dropout has really hurt me. Oh lordy lordy whatever am I going to do with my unedumekated self. I guess I should have stuck with it so I could have gotten myself an English degree, because everyone knows those are SO useful! Or I could be like my former employee who is in his 10TH year of schooling because he FINALLY decided to be a lawyer, but oh yeah, HE FAILED THE BAR! Gotta love those professional students. Man....I never knew being a COLLEGE DROPOUT was so harmful. Thanks for showing me the light LanPB01!

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Content Micheal Moore is a lying biased moron. C,mon "anytime you have the Popee and the Dixie Chicks Against you". What the hell? "He probably hates the pope (religious sex scandal) and who doesnt hate the Dixie Chicks. He's a fucking idiot, high school drpout. C'mon Mikey, go get your GED, get a clue, and get fucking lost

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Content You can say what you like ejcarter9, but you're negating your own point by doing so. Michael Moore has, unfortunately, done the same thing. Most people on this sight seem to be making there opinions/knowledge useless by throwing in a couple of projected insults at people they disagree with. Middle ground anyone? there is one you know.

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Content There sure is middle ground, but those who espouse it aren't listened to, just the extremists. I know they make good copy and they sell airtime, but God, people, most of America is in the middle, looking for solutions, not just rants about the problem. I realized this as a teen years and years ago while watching Geraldo one summer afternoon... none of these shows talk about solutions, just about the problems and who's to blame. I'd love to see a show that spent 10 minutes describing the problem and the balance of the show discussing and debating the solution. I've even considered starting a website like that but I'm just not sure how to get that ball rolling.

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Content Look out your window occaisionally. Change your point of focus to protect your eyesight. Here's an idea for a film. What if only one person was writing these Talkbacks. And didn't realise. Call it 'TALKBACK TERROR' One mans struggle with himself. And cast a CGI Andy Serkis. Voiced by Douglas Rain. "We are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectivley" BILL HICKS Imagine that fucker at the oscars.

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Content ...but then they always pop back up, ALL DAY LONG, about how much they hate AICN, they're going to boycott this or that. Boycott what - Bend It Like Beckham? The Good Thief? Oh, you were itching to see those films? You previously clicked on all these banner ads and now you'll take a strong non-clicking policy? Bullshit. These articles give Harry more traffic than anything other than Star Wars or LOTR, regardless if you click on the ads or not. I was leaning towards the anti-Harry side after some perceived suspect dealings with studios, but after all these con swine bitching and moaning about how they want to leave, I'm all about AICN love! You con losers aren't going anywhere and neither am I.

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Content I support a society where people can say what they want without being 'blacklisted' and a free media that can report the truth instead of political propoganda. Michael Moore is a wanted and needed component is a free society.

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Content I've said it before and I'll say it again - Moore is a polemicist. Sure, he often presents only one side of the story - but guess what? He generally does so when the other side has been presented to death by the mainstream media. I am not saying he's always right to do so, because he isn't. But he is trying to get people to think and act for themselves, and there is nothing wrong with that - hell, the US constitution enshrines his right and indeed obligation to do so. As for those of you who equate the anti-war movement with Gore, god help us. There are people in countries all over the world who have never heard of Al Gore and are still anti-war. The "what if he had been president" is so much hypothesis and not relevant, ultimately. That's a whole other topic of discussion. And I have, I am afraid, nothing but contempt for those of you who equate liberalism and criticism of Bush with drinking, doing drugs, spousal abuse and "baby-killing". I hesitate to describe anyone's opinions as crass uninformed stupidity so extreme as to verge on malicious slander, but I will make an exception in this case.

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Content While Film makers and Journalists enjoy the freedom of speech given to us by soldiers who died to protect those freedoms, that does not mean they are not obligated to give us the honest truth in film and any other media of reporting. Documentaries by definition are movies about reality - real subjects and real events. Moore himself said so when he took the Oscar that was assigned to him (vice being voted in his favor). He claims he films reality in "fictional times" yet will not address the outright lies and fiction contained within movies he proports to be 'reality.' Remember, this is a guy who says the WTC towers fell because there weren't any "black people [sic]" on the jet planes. He's right about that, tho. There weren't "black people" or "white people" or yellow people" - those planes were full of Americans. Shame on Moore for failing to see the real story behind 9-11 and I look forward to seeing Harry continue to erode the minute levels of credibility he has as a "fan" (vice expert) of films and film making. To support someone who makes fictional documentaries and promotes them as the truth, is hypocritical. If Moore was a conservative and was doing documentaries on the Clinton presidency, you can bet your ass(es) that he wouldn't be praising them even if they were masterfully filmed and written - suddenly, the focus would be on the incorrect facts and misleading insinuations instead of the film's supposed validity as an art form. Harry you are transparent on this one, and in the arena of 'movie review' you are a sell out. Thats right a sell out. You know that Moore makes lousy documentaries because a documentary is, by definition, a film of reality and fact and truth. To do anything other than criticize Moore for his inability to check his facts, and his penchant for intentionally misrepresenting them to further the predetermined conclusions of his initial hypothesis, all to promote a political comraderie - is the very definition of "sell out." Welcome to capitalism, Harry. You're far more conservative than you realize.

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Content If you can't take someone else's viewpoint, then pack your shit up and get out. Just keep on boycotting and all your problems will be gone. Just like before the Civil Rights Movement, keeping those damn darkies out of stores and restaurants made everything nice and neat didn't it? Out of sight out, you're out of your fucking minds

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Content You're liberal, bordering on socialist? Yet you take advantage of the benefits of free enterprise and free commerce that this country offers (I assume you're an American...if not, I apologize). Unless, of course, you live in government housing, take in government assistance, and live on nothing but government cheese. Because we all know how wonderful and lovely and utopian it would be to live that way...hell, it worked in the Soviet Union for fifty years, and it only killed tens of millions of people!

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Content Wahoo! Hurray for Michael Moore!

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Content Here's one conservative "pig" who means what he says. Harry, just as you have every right to politicize your web site by being president of the Michael-Moore-fan-club, I have every right to stop visiting your web site. Your site is no longer of any use to me. Goodbye Harry.

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Content it was best said by thomas paine (founding father) in the face of british tyranny -- "it is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." given that, is it more patriotic to support your government (public servants), no matter what, or to speak out against your government when you don't agree with it? hitler was popular too. educate yourselves before knocking moore's desire to present his research to you. here are some sources of interest: prisonplanet.com, infowars.com, fromthewilderness.com, guerrillanews.com . a conservative is one who supports small federal government and a more powerful state government. are you sure you neo-cons don't belong in the middle with the rest of us, basing each decision on the facts at hand instead of straight down the "party line"? wake up.

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Content . . . to those too dim to bother reading any of his work. But, hey, if that's what Rush tells you to think, I suppose it beats the eyestrain of cracking open an actual book.

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Content "should people this stupid even be allowed to talk about September 11?". That raises an interesting point, since George W. "nukular" Bush, a man without even the most basic knowledge in history, economics or diplomacy (let alone geography) keeps referencing it. Then again, he's also inflicting something much like 9/11 himself. Yes, people, believe it or not, war is like 9/11 - 24/7. Even if Fox news isn't showing disfigured bodies of families in their own blood. It's fun to keep track, though: http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

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Content '' I'm even more amazed at how no one has mentioned how much of a racist Michael Moore really is'' this is just stupi and unjustified

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Content Not that I admit that's what this is. Anyway, these are issues on which there are different sides and different shades of opinion and I do not see many of you picking apart the mainstream media in this way. So get a grip already, balance your views and don't rant. And someone for god's sake post some film news so I can stop tuning in to this talkback and read something about other films.

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Content I'm in the US Air Force (recently enlisted), not because of Iraq, and not because of 9/11 (though I would be lying to say that it didn't at least play a small part), and I'm disgusted by Michael Moore's comments at the Oscars. Then all you people who get all gushy and call him a true patriot disgust me even more. Nice job of spitting not only on the people who died to give you and me the freedoms we all enjoy (and I for one, am eternally grateful for), but on the people in government and in the American military who are working and fighting right now to protect this country and the ingrates who live in it. I won't say that Bush is the greatest president we've had, but he is doing the right thing. And maybe if you people would wake up and realize that even people as well educated and devoted as Colin Powell and Condoleeza (SP?) Rice are in support of this war, you'd notice that maybe we ARE doing the right thing. Let me tell you people something else: Those of us in the military are not violent warmongers like the lefties make us out to be. Unlike them, we just have the will to fight and crawl through shit for our country. But if this makes you feel better: don't worry, we're not fighting to defend YOU; we're fighting to defend our friends and families. You people are just the undeserving side effects.

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Content hey hey I m a bit off the subject here but I just learned something that some of you might find interesting. did you know that the state of Texas has a law that prohibits sodomy between two men . yeah you heard me right , homosexuality is considered Illegal in Texas. As well as in Kansas, Oklahoma and Missouri What is this ? the 19th century?

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Content dig out the things others whitewash, question authority, get a second opinion, apply skepticism to the mainstream messages piped out of all media outlets verbatim so every one of them says the same things. why do some of you get so upset? it's pretty shrill. like, some of us don't want to hear bad news, yet it's all bad anyway. we should sympathize, please don't let it be any worse than it is already. is that what some of us fear, on either side of the fault line? that it's worse? shouldn't you let it out, talk about it? don't ask me, I'm just repeating what they told us in kindergarten, those pesky liberals. asl questions and speak up for ourselves. of course there was always that punk who was a loudmouth who just wanted to beat every one up, he was the most vocal. but he had a horrible home life, his dad beat him and his mom was a wh...i digress. yes we shouyld all be in agreement with the status quo, whatever it may be. there, "don't be hatin," it's all better zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Content ya know i have friends in the armed forces, they don't see themselves as above civilians. just so no one reads this board and gets wrong impressions. and right side peeps ought to stop painting liberals against war as against troops, cuz it's only a simplification and it isn't true. sorry to make you mad. really. somewhere it became a trend to turn posters and other people in general into things just to vent. wacky!

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Content ''See, the Bush haters are mostly people who like to 1) do drugs 2) party hard with alcohol and 3) cheat on their spouses/significant others. Basically immoral people. IMMORAL, you ask indignantly? Yes, immoral. They desperately wanted Al Gore to win, a man who at one time knew that baby-killing was wrong and was against it, but then decided that if killing babies would get him votes, then let the babies die. '' Oh god , I sincerely hope you re joking

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Content Yep. Would never download an MP3 or a movie because personally, I feel it's a violation of the atrist's rights, record labels be damned. However, I would download and freely distribute any of Mr. Moore's materials, as I now subscribe to his theory that laws are ficticious. I will not see his voice silenced! So, please pirates, steal, copy, whatever it takes of his body of work, and spread it to the masses! Praise Harry for helping me understand this!

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Content And Algore was the one attempting grand larceny. He lost any way you count it, but he wasn't man enough to concede until he was forced to.

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Content the fact that people call the films that he makes documentaries astounds me. he willingly distorts facts to get his point of view across and the when he is called on it he brushes it off as inconsequential. I don't care if he has a certain point of view that he want to push, but he has no credibility when he has to lie to do that like he did in roger & Me and Bowling fo Columbine. Michael Moore has no credibility.

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Content Tired of it. Nuff said.

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Content Harry & Michael Moore should stick to the topic they know best; "how to become morbidly obese while living in the greatest nation on Earth" . How could Michael Moore accuse George W for exploiting the 9/11 victims when Michael Moore is doing the same thing by making a movie about George W exploiting the 9/11 victims? What's worse, Michael Moore is making money to stick in his own giant (tent-like) pockets so he can buy more cheeseburgers and twinkies.

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Content Saddam is done. One less socialist, murdering fuck in the world. Face it your kind is going the way of the dodo, one way or another.

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Content The only reason he went in the first place was to help his pro-stalinist father win re-election. Hes Hammer's bitch to thisday.

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Content They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists.

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Content awww, but hes a nice socialist right?

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Content I say that as a fucking good thing. Right on Michael. Oh and I know its been said before but it bares repeating. We are not in support of Sadam. We hate Sadam. But this war is illigal and will make the world a much more dangerous place.

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Content Should be, Michael Moore is the most goddamn punk motherfucker I know. Ok. Fuck yeah. Moore fucks me up my ass and I like it.

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Content Every single one of his documentaries are pure fabrications, and "Bowling" was one of his biggest. The Academy should SERIOUSLY look into the situation and if they actually believe that Doucmentaries should be based on fact, strip him of his oscar. Why the media isn't covering this is beyond me. BTW, I agree, this place has just gone too weird for me.

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Content Why doesn't Michael Moore travel to the frontlines of Iraq with the US Army and Marines while they fight the Iraqi hardliners? I'd be interested in hearing what he'd have to say about all the Iraqi soldiers surrendering with their gas masks on. Seriously, if Iraq has no chemical weapons then why are so many of their soldeirs surrendering or getting captured wearing gas masks? I'm a liberal and, in the past, have agreed with Michael Moore on most topics. However, I'm also affiliated with the military and, to tell you the truth, was offended by his speech at the Oscars as well as all the trendy celebrity peace protesting that's going on. I'm a firm believer in speaking your mind but the time for discussion has ended. The whining and complaining by all these celebrities and hippies is not going to stop a war that's already started, nor was it ever going to effectively disarm the Iraqis. We need to win this war now and all this preaching and whining by self-righteous celebrities like Michael Moore isn't going to help. What do you think Saddam Hussein's strategy in this war is? He knows he can't beat the US in a war. His strategy is to hold up against the Americans until the war starts becoming unpopular back home and the peacniks like Michael Moore get their way. As crazy as it sounds, participating in a peace rally is actually helping Saddam Hussein. It's called the tactical strategy of exhaustion. This isn't like Vietnam. The Vietnamese people posed no physical threat to us. This is different. Saddam Hussein does pose a physical threat to us. Just ask the Kurds in Northern Iraq. They're Iraqis and Muslims and yet Hussein used mustard and vx nerve gas against them. I guarantee none of the peace protesters have ever seen the results of a chemical weapons attack. Take 9-11 and multiply 1000 times and you'll get what Saddam Hussein is capable of doing to us. But, then again, what do I know? Michael Moore is a celebrity who makes documentaries and is therefore infallible. I, on the other hand, am just an average joe.

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Content Mike's newest project sounds like a 9-11 conspiracy theory "fict-umentary" to me. I guess I'll just have to post this link as well. http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html Makes me sick knowing that this guy is being hearalded as a genius and he's nothing more than a fraud. Whoever did the research for that preceding link is a true genius. Everything researched, and all BEFORE he won the oscar too. So shut up.

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Content Point-Counterpoint: The War On Iraq By Nathan Eckert George W. Bush may think that a war against Iraq is the solution to our problems, but the reality is, it will only serve to create far more. This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan the flames of hatred even higher. It will not end the threat of weapons of mass destruction; it will make possible their further proliferation. And it will not lay the groundwork for the flourishing of democracy throughout the Mideast; it will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e. U.S.) influence. If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S. and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin Ladens will bloom. And what exactly is our endgame here? Do we really believe that we can install Gen. Tommy Franks as the ruler of Iraq? Is our arrogance and hubris so great that we actually believe that a U.S. provisional military regime will be welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people? Democracy cannot possibly thrive under coercion. To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy. And it is doomed to fail. A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated disaster. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Bob Sheffer No it won't. It just won't. None of that will happen. You're getting worked up over nothing. Everything is going to be fine. So just relax, okay? You're really overreacting. "This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan the flames of hatred even higher"? It won't. "It will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e. U.S.) influence"? Not really. "A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated disaster"? Sorry, no, I disagree. "To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy"? You are completely wrong. Trust me, it's all going to work out perfect. Nothing bad is going to happen. It's all under control. Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there's trouble looming, and I really don't sense that right now. We're in control of this situation, and we know what we're doing. So stop being so pessimistic. Look, you've been proven wrong, so stop talking. You've had your say already. Be quiet, okay? Everything's fine. You're wrong.

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Content Here's the deal. People all around the world read/watch/experience what they want to. Very rarely do people seek information or ideas that conflict with their deeply held beliefs. It's human nature; a Conservative isn't going to suddenly start following the Village Voice's take on the War with Iraq the same way a Liberal isn't going to listen to Bill O'Reilley's tirades on Fox. Having said that, the American people, nay, the people of the World, need to see the truth behind "Bowling for Columbine". The fact is that I disagree with the war in Iraq, but for different reasons than most, and I think Moore's speech at the Oscar's was hardly anything to write home about - he stated his opinion, and walked off. What he should have done was thanked the Academy, then given the statue back, revealing the Awful Truth...much of "Bowling for Columbine" is fabricated and staged. I know, people will say that it's mean spirited bashing, or so-and-so has done worse, but this "documentary" is adored by so many, yet it is clearly fictitious. Moore will undoubtedly fabricate his next project as well. If the shoe was on the other foot, if someone did a documentary about anti-abortion activists or something, and kneaded the facts into any shape they wanted, the Hollywood elite would be hypercritical. My point - people read/watch/experience what they want, and they wanted "Bowling for Columbine". True or false, they got what they wanted. These sites below have some fair and insightful research on the subject. Enjoy! http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html http://www.moorewatch.com/ http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233

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Content While we're on the subject of celebrity elitism, let's talk about how Michael Moore's bodyguards are allowed to own and carry firearms while average joe schmo, according to Bowling for Columbine, should not. I liked Rogar and Me, Tv Nation and his show on the Bravo Network, but Bowling for Columbine was self-righteous garbage. Stupid gun control laws only keep guns out of the hands of responsible citizens, criminals, in case anyone else has noticed, are still getting their hands on this stuff through the black market. I own a couple unregistered firearms, do you see me going on a killing spree? No I just want to be able to protect myself in case the cops could never get to me in time. I thought the "liberal" meant you wanted less government restriction in your personal business. Self-defense is my own personal business and I don't need Michael Moore telling me I can't own a gun while his bodyguards can.

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Content Moore has abandoned the Canadian backers of "Columbine" in favour of bigger bucks from Mel Gibson's Icon Productions. He'll find out we Canucks hold grudges... BTW, I'm a liberal who supports the war, so what does make me?

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Content Bravo to Harry for not only presenting his point of view (good to see he has the balls to do so, unlike so many wimps in the Democratic Party) but allowing a bunch of crude warmongers to insult him! Harry must respect that most precious of our freedoms - freedom of speech: his, Michael Moore's, even that of the semi-literate Rush Limbaugh crowd. I'm very amused to see Saddam Hussein described as a "socialist" in this thread. Honey, Saddam's a fascist, a fascist just like the people on here who would deprive others of freedom of speech, freedom to oppose an idiotic war that will only result in the creation of a whole new generation of terrorists.

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Content Yeah, right! Did you know, that as we speak, the US government is already handing out oil contracts to American companies? And then afterwards they let the Iraqis pay with oil for the war which they didn't ask for in the first place and then for the rebuilding , ahem... "nation building", of the country necessary after the US first strangled the country with a 12 year embargo that killed about 1.5 million citizens in Iraq, most of them women and children, and of course necessary after having bombed and destroyed the country back to the stone age before they're done. And the socalled "mistake" by Bush sr. to let the Shiites rot and betray them after they rose up against Sadam wasn't a mistake at all. The US wanted a permanent base in the Middle East to keep some control over the oil there. And guess what, leaving the continued threat of Sadam in power made such a base a necessity. Even Schwartzkopf was completely stunned they didn't finish the job in '91. According to his own words, they could have been in Basra within 24 hours and been in Bagdad within 24 hours after that. It was Bush sr. who made the decision and all of a sudden called the whole damn thing off. Also, by keeping Sadam in power, US weapons merchants by playing on the fear of Iraq's neighbouring countries, was able to increase weapons sales by billions of dollars. No fiction, these facts can be checked. No mistake then, not a liberation war now, it's simple dollars and power.

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Content First I was just curious how killing scores of innocent civilians is doing the "right thing" when statistics show that American led forces have killed more Iraqis in the last 15 years than Saddam? Also How does attacking a country and creating an army of suicide bombers against us, protect national security, while real threats to this country like North Korea are completely ignored? Finally, yes, while you(assuming "you" are actually in the military) may be willing to lay down your life without a moment's thought, because that is your job and that is what you were trained to do, keep in mind that you and the rest of the military are an important resource to this country and its freedom. A resource that should not be squandered so frivoulously on a pointless war which will only get everyone involved (with the exception of Halliburton or any other former Bush/Cheney owned corporation, which will come out of this filty rich) negative results.

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Content Actually nothing on this site convinced me that there was anything in Bowling that's less objective than your average Newscast. And even the Heston quotes that are out of context don't exactly put on a radically different meaning. The one thing I did wonder about were the gun statistics. Kind of hard to track down actual statistics, but I found this old CNN article: http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html . I don't know about exact numbers, but it doesn't seem to contradict Moore's thesis. At all. But he's fat, so much is true.

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Content By the way, the fact that George Bush has never fought in war is such a MacGuffen. Almost every President in modern history has used our troops at some point and less than half of them ever saw battle themselves. Bill Clinton certainly never saw battle and none of you spoiled hypocrites had anything to say about him using troops. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe FDR, Truman, or Wilson served in the military but they ended two World Wars. Your arguments are BS!!!!!!!!!

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Content At least Fox News identifies who its libs and cons are. True they have a lot of conservatives but they also have almost as many liberals. For every O'Reilly, Hannity, and Hume they have Geraldo, Colmes, and Greta. You can't say that about the other major outlets who have a token Republican here and there. George Will on ABC. Can you name one other con on ABC News? CNN's got 2 guys on Crossfire. Can you name any other cons on that network?

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Content Congratulations! You've just made the war argument even more compelling you arrogant, hypocritical liar. It must be tough trusting every government in the world except for your own. I guess after 8 years of Clinton you're just used to being lied to. By the way, Saddam was making money off his oil for all 12 years of sanctions and decided that building more palaces and shrines to himself was more important than feeding his own people. Saddam Hussein is sitting on billions of dollars. YOUR POINT IS MOOT!!!! Saddam Husseing AGREED to the sanctions as terms of his surrender! He AGREED to all the resolutions to disarm!!! He then failed to do what he agreed to do and the only way to get him to disarm him is by force!!! PS - I wonder why we keed finding all these gas masks these troops have. Why do they need them?

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Content Debate, intelligent or otherwise, is not only a basic right and freedom in our country, it is a tradition, so grand and valid that is upheld in our constitution and has been practiced since the beginning of our political history. That said, the crass, personal and all too often abusive tones taken in this TB baffle me. NOT, because I don't understand how passionately all individuals on any side of these issues feel. And NOT, because I don't have opinions of my own. I am surprised by how willing parties on all (note I do not say "both" oversimplification along party lines helped get us into this mess)sides of these issues are willing to abandon even the attempt or pretense of intelligent, constructive debate. We do remember debate don't we?: The presentation of one's ideas and opinions backed by facts and arguments of logic; points and counterpoints of intrisic relevance; lack of name-calling etc. I've never posted here before, and, goodness knows, I miss like hell the days when people, primarily, wrote about films. I also understand that when volatile subject matter is posted, this sort of discussion is inevitable and, on some level, healthy. I'm just wondering, are people posting in order to say the opinion of their "opposition," present their argument with passion and clarity regardless of who agrees, or just spew some venom 'cause we're all bored at our work desks and this is anonymous?

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Content Bush 41, Prez 89 thru 93. Gulf War Winter 90 thru Spring 91. Did he mail the anthrax? PS-Just a joke!

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Content 1. No one critizized the Clinton bombings? Yes, they certainly did. ESPECIALLY Michael Moore. That's kind of his point in BFC (and if any of the pro-war people have seen it, they will confirm this)- how can you preach nonviolence while bombing another country? Also, if you ever watch the Awful Truth or read his book, you see that he doesn't really like Clinton. 2. On removing Saddam without war. Well, first of all, the inspections were working. Yes, I know Bush and Blair said every day on television that they weren't, but I'm inclined to believe the people who supervised the actual disarming process more. But okay, just in theory: Let's say that there was a) actual proof of WMD in Iraq and b) the Iraquis were to expel inspectors again or they simply refused to fulfil their requests. Say, everything else fails. Going in with US troops is still the worst possible option. Even people who hated Saddam (pretty much the entire Arab world including Iraqs citizens) are now with him. All the Alliances forged after 9/11 are just being pissed on by the Bush administration. Rumsfeld keeps accusing and insulting one ally after another. Images of dead Iraquis are on television in the entire Arab world and keep stirring hatred against America. People actually flock to Iraq and sign up for suicide bombings. So how exactly does that provide security? It all looks like a good plan if you rely on Fox news but from every other angle this war is a total humanittarian and political disaster that puts every US citizen in peril and the whole world on the edge of World War 3.

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Content First of all, the Iraqi people do not control or benefit from the oil in their country as it is, only Saddam Hussein's Mafia govt does. Second of all, the only legal authority that counts is our constitution which states that Congress has the power to declare war. Congress voted to let Bush use his power as Commander-In-Chief. Don't give me the UN and international law BS either. Bill Clinton NEVER got a UN vote for his military actions (which in reality he didn't need to) but the UN Security Council voted UNAMINOUSLY that if Saddam Hussein did not totally disarm by last December, there would be "serious consequence". The fact that France, Germany, and Russia didn't really mean this and backed down is irrelevant. France stabbed us in the back and went out of its way to embarrass us by courting 4th world countries to oppose us. They agreed to this back in November and this is the only conclusion because Saddam is lying about what he has and never intended to disarm. Saddam Hussein is the on thumbing his nose at Internatioal Law.

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Content 1. Shut the fuck up. 2. No, it's not. 3. Okay, answer me this (insert cut and paste article from wacky conservative website). 4. Michael Moore is fat. Harry is fat. You are fat. Therefore, all of his/her/your arguments are hereby invalidated. (Of course, since the totality of my military experience consists of me playing Splinter Cell all day, I am a self-loathing fatass.) 5. SHUT THE FUCK UP! 6. _________ is a liar/fraud! Check this out: (insert cut and paste article from wacky conservative website). 7. Leave the country/go to Iraq/get a cave in Afghanistan/ if you don't love the freedom these soldiers are fighting for! You better love that damn freedom, just don't go getting smart and exercising it. 8. Suht teh FUK Upp! 9. Michael Moore/Peter Arnett/Harry/You should be shot as a traitor! 10. If we were in Iraq, you'd be shot as a traitor for speaking out against your country!

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Content First, for Guadalupe: one of the things I find most amusing about individuals on the left end of the political spectrum is the may they LOVE to throw the word fascism around. Do you know where fascism came from? Socialism. Nazi stands for Nationalist Socialist Party. It was socialism on a national scale instead of a world-wide scale. And when it comes to denying freedoms, the Soviet Union was some paragon of liberty? Oh, that's why Stalin killed around 10 million of his own people. Liberty. --------------------- VoxMillenium: Bush Sr., rightly or wrongly, followed the U.N. mandate to liberate Kuwait. That's why he didn't pursue the Iraqis into Iraq. Should he have? Yeah, so we wouldn't be dealing with this mess today. How exactly did Bush Sr., SPECIFICALLY, prop Hussein up with weapons? I mean Bush Sr., by the way. That's what you claimed. Let's hear some factual support, not blind rhetoric. --------------------- mooreman: What statistics are you citing that the U.S. has killed more Iraqi civillians in the last, you said, 15 years than Hussein? Could you please provide a reference? Just curious. ----------------- Shepher Wong: Most everyone is a hypocrite at some point or another. To claim that "all right-wingers" are is a bit of hyperbole. After all, the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives in modern politics is that liberals believe that truth and reality are determined by the individual. Which is why it's hard to call them hypocritical, since you have to have a solid foundation of morality that determines your perspective that you ultimately deny or betray to be a hypocrite. Liberals tend not to believe in morality, so they can blow with the winds of popular opinion or whatever other determinate they choose. That's why organizations like NOW can call for Sen. Packwood's head (rightly so) when he committed adultery as a senator and used his position to gain sexual favors from subordinates; yet in the same situation, with Clinton, the head of NOW can makes statements like "He's the president and he runs our country. If he needs to ravish a woman every so oftern, the so be it." They can support Kosovo in one breath and scream illegality for this war. When you have no base, you have nothing to betray. So, in effect, to be liberal is, by definition, to be a hypocrite. --------------------- Sweet Sweetback: I understand the need to want to see "the other guy's perspective" in certain situations. But third world countries who have political histories of instability, violance, dictatorships and abuse of people should not be allowed to procure nuclear weapons. Especially those that are sympathetic to terrorists (like Iraq that has, it has been seen recently, been harboring terrorist camps of large proportions, including some closely linked to al-Queda - the camp recently discovered in Northeast Iraq). Yeah, giving Roger Mugabe nuclear/biological weapons is a *great* idea. How 'bout in Kenya? Don't think so. ---------------------------------- A few other random points: first, who said Bill O'Reilly is some raving conservative? Why, because he's more conservative than you lot? I'd say he's more of a libertarian with some conservative leanings on some issues and more liberal ones (homosexual marraige, the environment) in others. I mean, is that how liberal you guys are that Bill O'Reilly is some far-right-wing demon? Damn, that would put you somewhere to the left of Stalin. Second, I keep hearing about the "illegality" of this war. That may be a point to discuss, but how is it illegal? Can you cite some law? Can you cite precedent? Please, I would love (this is not sarcastic, by the way) to hear some actual rationalization of the views of those against the war instead of trite ramblings and rants regarding Bush being an oil-hungry blah blah blah, etc. Also, someone made mention that the U.S. government is already handing out contracts for the oil drilling in Iraq. Could you cite some specifics, or tell us how you came by that information or any example of such a contract? I do understand that companies have recieved contracts to put out oil fires, but I've yet to seen any evidence that oil drilling contracts have been signed. Oh, yeah, and for those who claim that Bush failed at diplomacy, would you please elaborate? I would appreciate specifics, not this "he should have tried harder to work with the world community" or "he needed to try more peaceful solutions." If you wanted more time for the inspectors, great. Fine. Yeah, 200 inspectors could do a great job finding illegal weapons in a country the size of California when Hussein successfully hid them from what, over 6,000 inspectors the previous 12 years? That's effective. Do you mean work more closely with other countries? Other countries that refused, before they were even proposed, ANY resolutions that would eventually, even in the distant future, authorize force to make Iraq comply with the terms of its '91 surrender, and the 17 subsequent U.N. resolutions? How do you work with that? Oh, and about Moore: he fabricated and staged much of the movie. I've seen it, I've read the articles and statements by those that appeared in the movie that claim he misrepresented what happened. It's not a documentary. It's propaganda. Which is fine, he can make it and try to make his point. But let's, for once, be honest about what it was.

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Content This will probably be my last post. I need to go watch a movie or something. I'm not saying I totally agree with everything we're doing right now. I don't think there's a completely right answer. But I have to believe that letting inspections go on forever while we destroy 10 missles a year and not find any of his chemical weapons is a hell of a lot worse than what we're doing now. I respect those of you that honestly disagree with our current policies but it's just plain ridiculous to expect people to believe Bush is doing this as a power and money grab. The man was a target to be killed Sep 11th. He saw first hand all the death at Ground Zero and the Pentagon. He and the people around him see this as saving American lives which is his Constitutional obligation. These so called "Peace Protesters" are horrible, rotten people. They are for the most part being run by socialist and communist organizations that are using this war to attack an individual that they diagree with his politics. They were no where to be found protesting Clinton. Sheryl Crow not only din't protest Clinton, she entertained troops in, I think Bosnia, with Hillary Clinton. They are giving people with honest disagreement a bad name and it is backfiring as more people are supporting this war and hunkering down for a possible extended conflict. They all hold signs denouncing Bush and calling him Hitler while saying nothing about Saddam's 25 year reign of terror. That's the point I'm trying to make. Also, why is it so easy to believe all the worst is going to happen but nothing good. It probably won't be all rosy but there will be mostly good.

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Content Whoa, whoa, whoa, Clinton was changing Cuba from the inside out? How was he doing this? Can you cite specific actions? I can't. Of course, I could be wrong, but nothing I saw during the Clinton presidency indicated any kind of political or regime change in Cuba. All he did was encourage Castro to keep up his same old ways through giving him praise (thank you, Jimmy Carter, that wonderful architect of the North Korean non-proliferation treaty). And how could we change another country from the inside out through our culture? First, most middle-Eastern countries hate our culture (and not always without reason). It seems clear to me that you have study middle-Eastern culture not at all to make such a statement. When the government runs the culture and won't allow your influence, what do you do then? When children are raised in schools that teach violence, hatred and death, how do you slip in a McDonald's? Allowing the Iraqi's to choose their own way is probably the only gift we can give them. And trust me, if we don't defeat Hussein, allow the Iraqi people to set up their own government for themselves (and not ask that the voters vote in blood), and then get the hell out of Iraq, the whole world's gonna be jumping down our throats (and it should). I have no doubt that this country will do all it can to free Iraq, return power to the people and then get out. If we don't, then we are colonialists. And I would do everything I could to fight it. But I also recognize that aiding the Iraqi people should probably last more than just a few weeks past liberation. How long were we (or, are we still?) in Europe after WWII, after we rebuilt the continent? Maybe we should get out, maybe it would be best if we pulled our troops out of the world and let each country go whatever way the wind blows, whatever way whichever invading army moves. I don't know, it just gets frustrating hearing people scream about U.S. imperialists and then demanding we send more trillions of dollars out into the world to solve other peoples' problems.

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Content Rumsfeld was Sec. of Defense during the Reagan years, when Bush Sr. was VP. Along with The Joint Chiefs (Ollie North et al), in an unprecedented abuse of the power of the Executive Branch, Rumsfeld and Bush helped to sell arms to Saddam's regime and fund military training for his troops to battle Iran. Why? Saddam is not a fundamental Muslim, but a Stalinist politically opposed to the fundamentalist overthrow in Iran against the American backed Uncle Tom government. They used the money received from selling arms to Saddam and other Arab coalitions (incl. the ones who had just bombed the Marine barracks in Beirut) to purchase and sell drugs to finance the war against democracy and democratically elected governments in S. America. All this under the guise of fighting communism, all the while fostering anti-American hate in the exact places they wished to "liberate". Sound familiar?

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Content "Whatever those reasons, once they started blowing up busses and buildings INTENTIONALLY to kill innocents, they LOST THE RIGHT TO DIALOGUE. They deserve to be wiped out. DESERVE IT." Interesting point. Now if I only knew who "they who deserve to be wiped out" are... probably "them dirty Arabs". To be honest, you do sound a little bit like a dumbass hick who's high on propaganda. Funny trhat the extrimist morons on both sides use EXACTLY the same rhetoric.

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Content Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't that evil regime of Reagan, et al., simply use the money from the alleged arms sales to directly fight the so-called democracies in S. America directly? If they were clever enough to do all this without anyone finding out until years later, why go through all the trouble of covering it up through drug traffiking? I mean, how many links did they need? Seems a little incongruous - they're smart enough to figure out the scheme but not smart enough to keep out of the drug trade (notorious for treachery and double-dealing), thus exposing themselves to weaknesses to any chance to declare plausible deniability? Sounds like someone has been reading too many conspiracy theories. Again, if there is solid proof (bank accounts, individuals who can say: we sold arms here, in this city, with this person, and bought drugs from this person here, etc.), I would be willing to give the theory some credit. However, flailing accusations of such "power moves" fails to persuade. Oh, wait, all of the informants and sources have been mysteriously killed, you say? How convenient. If there was any real evidence of you allegations, people need to hang for it. But, absent that, could you please try to stay in the real world. If not, please provide some backing to what you're saying. Oh, yeah: who keeps down the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do!!

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Content JUST ONCE, Michael Moore would offer some kind of solution rather than just using his white liberal guilt to exploit the tragedies of others to make money. That's right folks, Moore can't pretend that at least one of his primary motives is the long green, but I bet he doesn't really think about that as he commutes between his nice expensive manhattan apartmant and the gumdrop house he sublets on lollipop lane.

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Content I really don't see the point in even having these things if you can't follow the flow of who's saying what to whom

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Content How can Michael Moore complain about Bush? HE HELPED ELECT HIM. Wasn't it him who bugged the shit out of people to vote for Nader, thus drawing votes away from Gore and helping W win the electoral vote? I mean it would be a moot point if it weren't THE CLOSEST ELECTION EVER and everyone knew it would be! I'm sorry, I always start to want to get on board with this guy, but he really doesn't think anything through and just chooses to live in his fairy tale world of hand-holding and denouncing evil, EEEEEEVIL (mwahaha), politicians who are really doing the best job they can (sadly)

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Content You jerk. I'm sorry you're a jackass. First of all, I thought that you were being ironic when mentioning the use of foreign land to bury American soldiers Powell and people in the same administration sent over to die. I mean, it's not like there are morons on this site who talk about American baby-killers, or idolize a man that shames our president for sending people to war, right? For all I knew, you could have been one of those pricks. Either that, or you meant that Bush was not a world conquerer in your eyes, which it turns out was the case. I was just trying to get you to clarify which of these two motives was your own, because golly gee, it just wasn't profusely apparent to me. Why, pray tell, are you "sorry that I didn't get it?" Does making fun of my analytical prowess make you feel special? Poor me, I can't be graced with the perspicacity to discern people's muddled intentions like you. I guess I'm just a waste of oxygen. If that's the case, then at least I'm not slumming it. Fuckers like you really need to stop shooting down people to make yourselves feel more significant. The close-minded regard some of you have for other people's lives is profoundly disturbing. I guess if you're under the impression that this empire of psuedononymous reputation and cock-measuring contests is the most important thing one can do or feel as a person, then you have nothing truly meaningful of your own. Don't feel sorry for me because I'm not clever enough to keep up for you. Feel sorry for yourself if something like that is what you truly want.

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Content Sir, I would have to agree that no one wants innocents to die (except terrorists). Raging accusations of U.S. troops "targeting civilians" is isane. Never has war been fought when one side tried so hard not to kill ANYONE on the other side, including the combatants. This is truly unique in history. But I would also say that innocents do get caught in the crossfire. It is lamentable, and I would hope and pray (yeah, I said it) that those losses would be kept to a minimum. Unfortunately, that's not always easy, especially when the Fedayeen terrorists and certain members of the Republican Guard are shooting Iraqi civilians. There is even speculation (and just that, at this point) that most, if not all, of those "missile strikes" in civilian areas of Baghdad are from the Republican Guard misfiring or purposely firing into their own people to create international sympathy. While I'll await further proof regarding that, it wouldn't surprise me. Individuals who have no qualms about putting their own people into plastic shredders in front of their loved ones wouldn't have a very hard time, methinks, launching missiles into their own civilian areas, and then blaming it on the U.S. and coalition forcers, to create international outcries of support. And by the by, I don't know how many LOTR or U2 fans there could be in Iraq. Listening to such western, Satanic music and watching such degredation as LOTR would be against the Hadiths. Wouldn't want to go against the state sponsered fatwas, would we? I just can't believe these poor people have been strong enough to stay alive in the conditions they've been living under for so many years. Also, someone mentioned earlier that Hussein was a Stalinist. True, but he hand no qualms about using Islam as a tool to further his political purposes (such a politician thing to do), as long as it supported his power. Another thing about Michael Moore: what's with his blaming the media for the violent culture? I thought that was a very anti-liberal position? Does Harry support that opinion? That media (T.V., music, news, movies) creates a culture of fear and violence? I thought that was kinda the point of the movie.

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Content Don't get angry at me just because you don't understand simple posts...I'm glad you took the high road and decided not to reduce an intellectual dicussion to name calling...However, I can tell that you are a classy guy so I will refrain from dwindling to that level

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Content You asked me about facts concerning the supply of arms to Iraq by Bush sr. A bit of history, a bit long, but I think it's important to get the complete picture: It is one of the bitter paradoxes of the American-Iraq conflict: the weapons of mass destruction that George Bush Jr. objects so much to have been supplied to Iraq by amongst others his father George H.W. In the years 1985-1989 America sold weapons to Iraq for billions of dollars among which were chemical weapons, nuclear parts and biological cultures that could cause diseases like tetanus, botulism and plague. Even more curious: none less than the present US minister of defense Donald H. Rumsfeld played a key role in this. In december 1983 het travelled to the Middle Easr as a special emissary to Reagan and befriended Saddam Hussein. According to a document recently disclosed by the Washington Post a month before his visit the CIA had reported to the White House that Saddam on an "almost daily basis" used chemical weapons forbidden by international law. On a by now notorious picture you can see a smiling Rumsfeld together with Saddam. Again and again Rumsfeld has indicated to the Congress to recall little of his days as a presidential emissary to Iraq. The US and Iraq remained allies until the Iraqi invasion in Kuwait in 1990. Terrorism The friendship between Iraq and the US bloomed after ayatollah Khomeini drove away the pro-American sjah from Iran in 1979 and established an anti-western muslim state. While Jimmy Carter still had Iraq blacklisted as a terrorist country, Reagon took it of. Reagon saw Iraq as a powerful block against radical islam. Oil was the main driving force behind this policy: The US imports a lot of oil from the Middle-East and has vested interests and political friendships in the region. On september 22nd 1980 Saddam invaded Iran, which was the beginning of one of the most bloody wars of the modern age. Ironically Saddam faced an enemy that had also been supplied by the US. In the 70's the US sold weapons worth billions of dollars to the sjah. Initially the US didn't have a position on the Iran-Iraq war. But this changed in 1982 when Iraq had been driven back in a defensive position. Afraid to lose Iraq the US started to support Saddam both directly and indirectly and were various weapon transactions allowed by both Reagan and Bush sr. The US also supplied Saddam with satellite foto's on which Iran troop movements could be seen. What followed was one of the stangest and shameful adventures from recent history. Part of the transactions went in secret: Reagan and Bush sr. sold helicopters and trucks to Saddam through an American agricultural fund and through "third parties". Besdies that Iraq bought from the US trucks, helicopters, rockets, radar installations, airplanes, landmines and clusterbombs. More painful were deliveries of poisons, gasses and bacterial agents forbidden by iternational law. Only in the backwash of the Gulfwar, in 1994, came to light what American chemical companies had been supplying to Iraq, when a US senate committee researched possible causes of the socalled "Gulf syndrome": the complex of diseases from which many veterans of that war are suffering. The list resulting from that inquiry featured bacterial agents that among other things cause botulism, tetanus and plague and various other diseases. The US had ok'ed these shipments because a "dual use" was involved: the substances could also be used for peaceful applications in science, like the pharmaceutical industry and agriculture. The US might have easily known better officials that had been involved later readily admitted. "We were concerned. If Iraq would have lost the war with Iran, it could have threatened the rest of the Persian Gulf", as statetin a recent interview by former ambassador David Newton. "Our hope was that Hussein on a long term basis would become more responsible". Supercanon Not the US, but France and Russia were Saddam's most important weapon suppliers. Other countries got involved as well. Great Brittain for example sold rocket parts to Saddam - plus the parts for Saddams notorious and never completed "super cannon". Italy supplied navy vessels, landmines and remarkably enough nuclear experts and necessities for Saddams nuclear program. According to analists there was a fierce competition in Iraq between mainly American and Russian weapons suppliers. Meantime Saddams erratic behaviour at times put the US in a seriously aquad position. For example between 1984-1988 Saddam at several occasions used American nerve gas against Iran forces, from 1987 onwards against Northern-Iraq Kurds. The gas was sometimes deployed from American Bell-helicopters. Despite complaints from Amnesty International the US official position remained that Iraq was a befriended power. As late as december 1988 the American chemical company Dow Chemicals exported 1.5 million worth of raw materials to be used in chemical weapons to Iraq, having been given the green light by the US Trade Department. Kuwait The friendship between Bush sr. and Saddam ended abruptly end of 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait. Shortly before that invasion Saddam called for the US ambassador April Glasspie and told her in a now famous conversation that he planned to invade Kuwait. Glasspie told Saddam that the US had "no opinion" about the matter. This of course later lead to all kinds of conspiracy theories: America had consciously set a trap for Iraq. More likely there was a misunderstanding. Saddam would have misjudged the situation and ambassador Glasspie would not have expected Saddam to march into Kuwait with so much noise. Documents UN-Inspectors promised not to publicly mention any weapon deliveries of the US to Iraq. The documents with weapon's programs that Iraq handed over in december should contain overviews of which American companies had been in business with Saddam.

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Content Also I wouldn't let some comment that was written by a complete stranger on some movie talkback bother you so much...It's just not healthy

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Content ..and so is Moore. Flint MI, to be exact, I've actually met the man a couple of times and thought he came across as well spoken and polite as anyone I've ever met. He does, however, smell really, really bad. I am not joking here, the man STINKS. To high Heaven. No kidding.

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Content Nobody in this country knowingly supplied Saddam Hussein anything they knew would be made into chemical weapons. It's outrageous to say. But even if this happened, it follows that it would be our responsilbility to disarm him. You're furthering the case for war!!! I love how certain folk always like to try to paint the US as evil in the past and then not follow through this thought and say we should fix the problems. You can't take a leading stage in the world and be an isolationist at the same time.

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Content "Doubt me, commies?" HAHAHAHAHAHA!! that's gold!!!

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Content Harry, I tune in to this site to get the latest on movies I may want to see. My hero worship of Bruce Campbell notwithstanding, your rim licking of Michael Moore is perverse and scary. This guy is an egomaniac looking for any reason to jump up and down and yell "conspiracy" where there is none. I'm a New Yorker, and I know lots of people who lost loved ones on 9/11. Lucky for me, I didn't lose anyone in my family. But that day, and the people that died, were a warning to STOP sitting idly by. Say what you want about Bush, it ain't about oil, it ain't about his daddy, it's about doing what should be done. Here's to hoping Michael Moore gets dragged through the streets like he deserves.... Now that I've got that off my chest, any news on Mad Max 4?

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Content if there are no chemical weapons involved. American soldiers take an oath to defend the United States not to liberate 2nd World citizens. If that liberation is the by-product of us exterminating a madman's chemcial weapons cache then so be it. But if we go over there, find nothing and then try to spin this war into an Iraqi freedom story to hell with Bush. I could care less about any Iraqi civilian when it comes to the safety of American soldiers.

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Content Although who can tell what the shape of a conversation is on this website? Anyways, a friend of mine lives in New York City, and the week after 9/11, he bought a $19 DOLLAR GAS MASK! Shit, and we call each other foolish. A $19 dollar gas mask? Good thing he hasn't put that thing to use yet.

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Content I'm not really pissed at you, just demeaning talkbackers in general. Well, I am kinda pissed at you, but not enough to write up a post were it not indicative of how others behave on this website. Look, I thought your first post was unclear, but I wasn't trying to make that your problem in the first place.

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Content what everyone thinks of this site... http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html formerly posted by FingerLickinGod. Nobody replied to that with their stupid fucking Moore praise. The man is a liar.

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Content I'm an exiled Facerian as well. Guess who?

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Content I think that the Academy nominated BfC for Best Documentary because it doesn't real fit it to any other category. They wanted to do their good deed by rewarding it, but they didn't really know what else to do with it.

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Content ...give me a believable scenario where the invasion of Iraq could possibly lead to an apocalypse? The end-of-the-world argument is a tired one.

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Content http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/1845076

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Content "Beware of the neo-conservatives, that have Dubya's ear. These neo-cons consider Pat Buchanan an anti-American liberal." Actually if you read any of their writings, you'd know they consider him to be a far right nutcase like just about everyone else. By the way, anyone who uses the word "quagmire" after being at war all of 11 days isn't even worthy of the term "armchair general." Also they didn't just find chemical suits, they found info showing the soldiers were being trained to use chemical weapons - http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/29/international/worldspecial/29CHEM.html?ex=1049518800&en=f78d04aaa03d8115&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE Now for more of the lies and distortions of Michael Moore... http://www.spinsanity.org/topics/#MichaelMoore

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Content I didn't say Rumsfeld was Reagan's defense secretary; he was a special emissary to the Middle-East for Reagan in the eighties. Before you start insulting people, please take the trouble to actually read what they say, otherwise you come accross as somewhat of a fool.

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Content I would actually claim the opposite. No, a soldiers life is not WORTH anything less than a civilians (and if you think American lives are worth more than Iraqui lives, you a a racist pig). But soldiers sign on to kill and be killed, civilians don't. It's a risk they deliberately take because they believe in what they do (or sometimes don't know what else to do). A killed civilian is always infinitely more tragic. 3000 dead Iraquis are JUST AS tragic as 9/11. But then the projected number of civilian casualties is 500.000.

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Content Last thing I want to say about all this is, that though I am against the war, now that it has started the coalition has little choice but to see it through and I hope they do it as quickly as possible with as few casualties as possible, both on the Iraq side as well as on the coalition side. I just hope and if I were a religious man I would pray, that none of the chemical/biological shit will ever be used. I don't know, I guess I am sad, pissed off and extremely worried all at the same time. I will never be convinced that all this crap was necessary.

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Content This war is not about fighting for freedom, that'll come next year when the bush administration is exposed for what it is... but the truth is it has been already, It's you who is the undesired side effect of all this.

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Content I read most of the site posted by FingerLickinGod, and I thought it was total bullshit. The site says something like, 'How can he say that video games and movies don't promote violence, but news does?' EASY...news is real stuff that has happened, and it scares us, and makes us fear everyone up to our neighbors. Video games and movies aren't real, but what we see on the news, as far as murders, and violent acts commited in the US, most of that is true. Since we are spoon fed this shit on the news so much, people begin to think that they will be killed if they aren't "strapped". I personally loved Bowling For Columbine, and I love Michael Moore's new book, "Stupid White Men...". 99% of the people in the US who support the war 100% are just idiots who sit and watch FoxNews Channel 24/7, and believe every word of B.S. that people like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity throw at them. The people that support this war are idiots, just like Bush, who don't think for themselves, but just listen to whatever Bush and Rumsfeld, and the gay ass anchors on FoxNews have to say, and that is what they base their opinions on. Just wait you conservative bastards, once this war is over, and Bush totally leaves the people of Iraq hanging in the wind, you'll see how stupid this war was from the beginning. But as for now, live it up, tell everyone "I told you so", and come on the internet and rip on Liberals...but soon enough, you'll all be proved wrong, one way or another!

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Content It goes like this: Bush asks the pentagon if he can use nuclear weapons on Asia and the middle east. Pentagon says no. Bush says "do me up a plan to anyways" Bush goes on TV and speaks of nuclear pre-emption of north Korea, Iraq and Iran. These three countries all look to America and say "What the fuck?" Next thing Bush is telling everyone he's going to start with Iraq, Iraq calls on world for help, UN steps in and says we'll disarm them peacefully, no one has to die. America says 'No fuck you, we wanna use out bombs.' Meanwhile, as Iraq tries desperately not to end up a smoking pit of dead bodies, North Korea starts to build up it's nuclear weapons, scared shitless that America will come after them next. Next thing, the WHOLE world is saying "back off America, call off your dog!" But America just keeps blabbing on, "We will not back off, the whole world wants saddam to disarm." America then cuts off Oil shipments to Korea and threatens sanctions. North Korea say "Fuck you!" And start testing missiles. UN starts to disarm Saddam by destroying his piss weak arsenal that are there as defence from a promised 12 year long America invasion. Next thing, America goes in. Fully aware that Iraq has no weapons that can strike America, and fully aware that they can mount this mission with little resistance. Well, then North Korea says it will not disarm and face the same miserable fate as Iraq. Syria, Iran and the entire arab world all promise vengence on america for this outrage. Meanwhile, America finds itself facing strong resistance from Iraqis, They are not happy that America is there to save them from Saddam, They see America as an invasion force that has been striking them for 12 years and holding them down in economic sanctions, designed to starve the people and force Saddam to resign from power. Now, Americans are starting to get heavy casualties, they are low on supplies, and 100,000 more troops are on the way. How can this escalate into an appocolypse you ask? It's really quite simple. America will keep bombing, this war will not be over anytime soon, And the troops will always be under fire. America will keep the media propaganda going, claiming they haven't lost, but in actual fact they will have no choice but to get out. This could piss off Bush, He could go and use his Weapons of MASS distruction, and the second America drops a nuclear war head, North Korea will use its. America will retaliate and before long, everyone will be dropping their nuclear weopons on everyone. That will be the appocolypse, that will be the end and it'll all be AMERICA'S fault and it'll be all of you 'We're right, you're wrong' Talkbackers fault too. Call me paranoid, but unless America stands down and makes it's sorry arse hang it's head in shame, then THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN!! But even if I'm wrong about America dropping the nuclear bomb first, there's always the chance Someone could drop the bomb on America first, either way - that will be the result of Bush's reign. That will be the outcome of his desire to rule the world. And that is what is GOING to happen. So lets just keep arguing about how right this war is. Lets keep bashing the peace nicks, what the hell do they know, and while we're at it... go to this site right now http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm

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Content All you left/right wing nutcases make me laugh. You all see conspiracies from the other so much, you don't listen to what the other side has to say anymore. No wonder crap gets done in the Congress; you're too busy countering the opposites ideas, you can't pass any sensible laws!

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Content So let me see if I understand this, you're the country that invented FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and yet as per Moriarty's post, free speech is now only allowed if it doesn't attack the govt. Isn't that one of the main functions? To ensure that all sides are heard? To ensure that minorities or majorities can never be oppressed? Oh well, I guess the experiment failed America, time for you to turn Fox News back on, yeeee-haaaw!

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Content i mean seriously man, you got some good well thought out views, but i detect some sarcasm and/or raging bile in your argument, thanks for giving me a laugh man. everybody else, i think you should all go home and weep into your rubber underpants as there is NOTHING you can do about any of this war. my views i wont reveal, cos they're mine and just cos everyone has an opinion doesn't mean they should voice those opinions EVERYWHERE. and anyway an opinion is just that, a subjective perception by an individual. so by definition an opinion can't be right OR wrong, it just is. like reece witherspoon.

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Content I'm not political, but for all the Bush-slammers (no pun intended) who spout off nonsense about how Bush is the anti-christ, etc. etc....just put the signs down for a second and consider this: what if Al Gore had become president? Alas, if we could only gaze into the flickering viewscope of the 'What if? Machine'. There we'd see Mr. Gore, face bloodied, clothes burned, standing in front of the crater where Washington, D.C. used to be talking about how he should've done more to prevent it. I'm glad we have a president with the courage and foresight to handle threats now, and not when it's too late. You know folks, sometimes the right thing to do is not always pleasant. Or easy. If anyone should be ashamed, it's Michael Moore.

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Content I know a few things for sure in life. One of those things is that if Michael Moore can't find the evidence to prove his theories then he's bound to make something up. It's a tactic he's used in all his films to cover up for the fact that he has nothing to say beyond the fashionable Bush-Bashing. How oppressive can a country be if they still let a pushy, smug and arrogant loudmouth like Michael Moore run around free selling fiction as truth and making money at it. I'm also pretty damn sure that he wouldn't be allowed to do what he does in any of the regimes he admires.

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Content so of course Harry is going to champion Moore..

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Content For all of the people saying that "Bowling for Columbine" is not a documentary, by definition, you really need to research better. I spent a semester studying the history and progression of documentaries. I read literally thousands of pages on the subject, including Michael Renov's excellent resource on the subject, "Theorizing Documentary." And I have seen countless more film documentaries than most of the readers on this site. And after all of that, I can honestly say that "Bowling for Columbine" is indeed a documentary. The term was originally penned by John Grierson, who defined it as a "creative treatment of actuality." But that definition has spurred debate since, both in how it is interpreted or whether it is accurate or not. But there is much more to the field of documentary film-making than just pure observational documentaries (which are a fallacy to begin with...objectivity is compromised the second the shot is composed), just as there is much more to fictional film-making than westerns. There are genres and subgenres of documentary film-making, just as there are in fiction film. Go to this site, or better yet to the articles and books referenced at the bottom of this site: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA01/Huffman/Frontier/define.html. After you have taken the time to actually read up and explore the subject, then you can argue the film's validity as a documentary. Until then, stick to discussing the merits of "Head of State." Also, people here should be less abusive of the "college dropout" term. Too many people define college by the piece of paper they obtain but never really bother to get an education. Just learn and forget. Go to frat parties and leave studies for the last minute. Many drop-outs actually give more attention to their studies, hence retaining more, and still find the institution to be unsuitable to too confining for their needs. College is not for everyone. Just because you don't go to or finish college doesn't mean you are illiterate, poorly informed, etc. And as most film students will tell you, its the time youi spend on a set that counts. All the years of theory really mean nothing when it comes to making your movie.

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Content Just to point something out... if Fox News wasn't as popular as it is, then you wouldn't bother bashing it. It's popular because there's a large segment of the population watching it, and if you believe that all of those viewers are a bunch of red-neck inbred idiots, then you've checked your brain at the door, my friends.