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Hey folks, Harry here with an image provided by a spy I'll call... Oda Nobunaga! Folks, knowing that INNOCENCE: GHOST IN THE SHELL 2 is still a year away... is agonizing. Seeing this poster and the absolutely lovely image it gives us... torture. Mamoru Oshii is one of the true gifted filmmakers, the type that don't just make quality films, but make influential films that change the future of the medium. All this hoopla for THE MATRIX... it would be nothing without Oshii's work. To many, it is still nothing, because of Oshii's work. After watching his AVALON around 20 times, I'm staggered to think what Mamoru could do if given a real budget to work with. This is an awesomely gifted talent, the studio that realizes it, trusts him and gives him the resources... will be rewarded with a film that'll shake us to the very core of our geek gland! Here's the poster for INNOCENCE:










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  • March 23, 2003, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Nice

    by Waspo

    I love Ghost in the Shell, it's a great movie, and the Manga is great as well. I can't wait for the OVA series as well.

  • March 23, 2003, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Sweet...

    by Neon_Noodle

    "Oshii is the only animator who seems to like dogs. He thinks he's a dog himself..." -FLCL

  • March 23, 2003, 1:28 a.m. CST

    I need to go back and watch the whole first movie

    by oasis1485

    Never say the whole thing. Withe the way everyone talks about it maybe i oughta see it again.

  • March 23, 2003, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Why Is Anime So Choppy?

    by franco

    Figure this is as good a place to ask as any. I DO appreciate the creativity in most anime I've seen, but even in big names like "Spirited Away," "Akira," and "Ghost in the Shell," the animation itself is often so choppy (not flowing). Sorry if this question seems a bit ignorant, but, I guess in regards to anime, I am a newbie and therefore, AM ignorant...

  • March 23, 2003, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Wowzer

    by TALK DROID

    Is that a cyber basset hound?

  • March 23, 2003, 1:48 a.m. CST

    I just wish my first viewing of Ghost In The Shell wasn't ruined

    by Smeg For Brains

    I absolutely hated it the first time I saw it. As a huge fan of the comic I was very dissappointed with the film in general, and I despised the dub job they did on it. The only good thing about it was seeing the beautiful animation on the big screen. Of course the computer enhanced animation of more recent films can't hold anything to the beautiful animation of Akira as far as pure cell animation awe goes, but it is nice looking none the less. Anyways I eventually did see the film again subbed, and though it still was a let down from the great comic, it stands on it's own as a very good film. Too bad I didn't even buy the new comic sequel, as I looked through it and absolutely hated the computer rendered backgrounds. What a waste of Masamune Shirow's great art talent. Hand drawn characters over crude computer renderings looks horrible. I know I should give the story a try, and I still might, but it was such a let down that I couldn't bear to buy that book. Oshii's other work has been amazing though. Avalon is terrific, and Jin Roh is awesome. And though he only wrote it, I actually think it is far better than Ghost in the Shell in every way. The Moral is.... English dubbing is wrong. If you prefer dubbing then you don't care about the director, or writer. You don't care that everything they worked for can be destroyed by some idiot with no talent who dubs movies with no care for quality. Learn to read and enjoy a movie as close to the way it was meant to be seen as possible.

  • March 23, 2003, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Anime is just not done in a "normal" American style.

    by Smeg For Brains

    And I'm not just talking about drawing style, but if you watch a lot of animation you will notice differen't styles of animation (as far as movement goes). A lot of American and European styles of animation are very fluid, and smooth, where as a lot of Japanese animation is mor based on stillness and quick movements. As for television anime, this chopiness might just be because less frames were animated in order to save money. Speed Racer was notorious for using very few frames. Sometimes as few as four frames a second for movements, and often just still frames of facial expressions with grunts and such over them. Normal television animation is twelve frames a second. As for movies, Akira actually used more frames a second than almost any movie up to that point. It looks differen't because the animators used a more stiff, and actually realistic aproach to the animation. I mean when somebody is running you don't see every bit of cloth flow over them as if it was loose silk. American animation has traditionally been focused on making the movements animated as smoothly as possible, but this doesn't always look more real. That is that problem with a lot of computer animation. They are so focused on smooth animation that they forget that not all natural movements are smooth, and therefore the movements of their realistic computer models look unnatural, and it ruins the effect. It is also why the Japanese are able to do much faster looking action in their cartoons, and do it a lot cheaper. I mean Dragon Ball Z almost never repeated. There was a new show every weak. for years at a time. It had to be done fast and cheap, and it still looked good. I've been watching anime for close to twenty years, so I guess I've grown so used to what you call the chopiness that I actually see it the opposite way. I more notice the smoothness of other animation. I'm a huge animation fan in general, and LOVE old Lonney Tunes, so I love all kinds of animation. I figure if you like Anime and keep watching it you will get used to it, and it won't look as odd to you anymore.

  • March 23, 2003, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Dubbing for idiots?

    by FakeTrout

    I can appreciate there being some poor choices for dub talent over the years, but there are some talented Voice Actors who care a lot about the work and I woulnd't put them down. Look at the following for Cowboy Bebop. the fans demanded the US dub cast be brough back on board for the movie instead of Sony subtitling it. Thats a pretty big deal and speaks volumes that a dub is not a bad thing by definition. I'd also put Pioneer's new Lupin the 3rd cast up a great interpretation of the classic characters.

  • March 23, 2003, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Innocence

    by Grand Digital

    Looks cool. Can't wait. That's it.

  • March 23, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Oshii

    by hellboy15

    I really do normally love his work, his animes are wonderful pieces of film, so I was incredibly exited to see avalon, and boy was I dissapointed. I know he has a tendency to be slow and diliberate, but this was just monotony. The colors, slow pace, and general lack of story for a very large part of the movie make this an exercise in tedium.

  • March 23, 2003, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Shirow

    by hellboy15

    Can we not talk about Ghost in the Shell without Talking about Masamune Shirow. The man created it for god sakes, credit where credit is due please.

  • March 23, 2003, 4:21 a.m. CST

    WOWie...

    by jedimast3r

    Yes, that's perhaps something I never even realized before, even after dozens of times popping in my Shell DVD...its yet another film the Matrix takes its thunder from. Yeeeesh I can't wait for this one.

  • March 23, 2003, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by jedimast3r

    Is Kusanagi going to be in this one I wonder? Can't wait for the guys to grab some plot details.

  • March 23, 2003, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Japanese style...and animation

    by CASE

    hellboy15, that long boring style you mention is typical of Japanese filmmakers. They always try too hard to make things poignant. I think this is why Kurosawa was considered, by the Japanese, to have a Western style of filmmaking... cause he transcended the Japanese style that, to us, drags a film down. As far as the choppiness of Anime goes... I don't see it in Akira. That film looks perfect to me. Ghost in the Shell uses a lot of Anime tricks to minimize effort, e.g. when people talk, nothing moves but their mouths, and it's never in sync. But I think this allowed them to make the action look more fluid. I haven't seen Sprited Away yet, but what I saw in the trailer didn't look choppy to me. I think what you're seeing is traditional animation, as opposed to most of the contemporary American animation, that all looks rotoscoped. All the Disney shit I see looks like it's all TRACED. Haha.

  • March 23, 2003, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Dubbed Anime

    by john5

    I don't think you are dissing the anime's creators by watching the dubbed versions. I don't like being forced to watch one or the other, which is why DVD is great, you can pick and choose. The End of Evangelion movie had an excellent dub, although, one's opinion of it becomes tainted if you listen to Amanda Winn-Lee's commentary on the DVD, and realise just how insane some anime fans are.... My major complain about dubs is the proliferation of some voice actors in the medium. Is it just me, or does the guy who did Leonardo's voice in Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles seem to be in everything from Akira, to Macross, to Gundam? I think they should get him to be Bato in the new GitS....

  • March 23, 2003, 6:26 a.m. CST

    HOLY FRAGGEN COW!!! I sure hope that ain't the "Major"

    by RickSlamu2

    The only Plot points i have seen so far Have been and criptic blurb on the official Production IG web site. ANd oh sure i know that dosen't look like the "Major" but rember if this film is a succossor to the original (BUT why should it be Sence THE MANGA is not a true sequal either) the Major took off in a little kids body! Looked a lot like that! That and the only charecter from the first film to be seen here is that stupid trashman's DOG!! WTF!!! For everything you wanted to knoe about GITS (in the most criptic way possible of course): http://www.productionig.com/

  • March 23, 2003, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Ehh...cant agree, Smeg.....

    by XTheCrovvX

    As a movie itself, obviously, the anime suffers a bit, because so much was required to be taken out from the manga(all anime fans know that the mighty Akira suffers from the same problem)...however, it should be of note that this is, arguably, the point. What Mamoru Oshii did was take the tyical manga style humor out of Shirow's work....and played the film completely straightlaced....and personally, I think this makes the movie a bit stronger in terms of its tone....it feels far more natural in the movie instead of jumping from concept to concept....as for the dub, yes, I normally prefer subs to dubs.....but the English dub for GITS is one of the few i can actually tolerate.....aside from the guy who missed the trash truck sounding a little too much like Don Knotts, and the questionable change from "must be my period" to "must be a loose wire", i thought they did a damn good job with it...especially the guy they got to do the Puppet Master. Can you explain what your problem was with the dub, aside from it being a dub, just for the sake of posterity? Revolution is my name...

  • March 23, 2003, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Glad you mentioned Ghost in the Shell as the INFLUENCE!

    by FD Resurrected

    There have been so many ripoffs of The Matrix, and at one point I even accused The Matrix of ripping off Ghost in the Shell in terms of storyline, style, scenes...and production design. I realized The Matrix actually paid the homage to GitS because the Wachowski brothers are huge fans of anime and Mamoru Oshii in general (so is James Cameron - he interviewed Oshii for Japanese edition of Playboy - when was that?). I for one cannot wait to see Ghost in the Shell 2, I've bought the first two issues of GitS 2 English adapted comic books. I remember going to see and being blown away by Ghost in the Shell movie at an arthouse in Arizona in February 1996 like last night. It's as memorable as Spirited Away. I would highly recommend Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade produced by Oshii and the team of Production I.G. - it's a humanist masterpiece with Orwellian and Fascist overtones. Sadly, Avalon blew because it's muddled, is riddled with subpar character development and has shitty acting from Polish actors. Still, it was cool to see Mamoru Oshii defy convention and expectation to make a weird, off-the-wall science fiction film spoken in Polish language - overpraised by Jim Cameron and Wachowski brothers in an early Japanese trailer.

  • March 23, 2003, 10:13 a.m. CST

    ...

    by Mr Brownstone

    That is a very, VERY cool poster. I want one.

  • March 23, 2003, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Japanese on the poster meaning, "I didn't want to be a doll."

    by Aronld Scazziger

    Can't wait ... such a HUGE fan!

  • March 23, 2003, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Yes DVD is great for offering both dub and sub...

    by Smeg For Brains

    ...But I still stand by my belief that dubbing destroys the artistry of the original. Of course it could still be argued that the only true way to view it then is to learn the actual language and then watch it, but subbing is the closest you can get without doing that. Most dubs are bad. Not just some in the past. Almost all still are awful. Cowboy Beebop, and Dragon Ball are probably the only newer exceptions. Both are excellent dubs, but the subtitled versions are still better. Also I highly doubt that Sony ever considered releasing the Cowboy Beebop movie in american theaters with subtitles (though that would have been awesome). Since that was most likely never a posiibility then the only intelligent thing to do would be to bring back the american voice cast from the series. Granted Animation is a lot easier to stomache dubbed. Live action should NEVER be dubbed. Anyway, this is all just my opinion, and with DVD the whole dub vs. sub debate is not important anymore. Watch it the way you want. I just have a lot of memories of the unfair higher prices on subbed videos, and the threat of things never being released subbed. I still hate Manga Video from when they first started and had the idiotic idea that there was no market for subbed videos. They were very arrogant in the way they acted like they didn't care about the sub fans, and the huge fan outcry against them, and threats of boycot quickly changed their minds. I was extremely angry at the idea of Macross Plus being released only dubbed.

  • March 23, 2003, 1:32 p.m. CST

    It's that damn dog again!

    by GazH1

    Anyone who's seen Avalon will know what I'm talking about. I read somewhere that Oshii has a basset hound appearing in all his films as a running theme.

  • March 23, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Choppiness

    by Christopher3

    The reason anime looks choppy to western auds is because western animation attempts to mimic live-action film while depicting movement. As a result, any sort of deviation from smooth, life-like motion is perceived by Disney-conditioned/brainwashed moviegoers to be an abberation. The Japanese don't attempt to emulate live-action motion, and instead *take advantage* of one of the artifices of animation, ie. the complete control an animator has over timeflow. Ironically, while distorted timeflow is catching on in live-action films with the advent of CGI, Bullet Time has always been easy to when you have to draw every frame.

  • March 23, 2003, 1:56 p.m. CST

    My dislike of the dub

    by Smeg For Brains

    As I haven't seen the film dubbed since it first came out my memories on the specifics of why I hated the dub are hazy, but I remember numerous times when I actually felt embarrased by how baddly the lines were delivered. I think my comment to a friend at the time was that one of Motoko's monologues sounded like she was a dazed eight grader giving her first public speach in debate class, or something like that. At this time I preffered subs to dubs, but at this time it was still a mixed bag of what was available in america, and what I could get my hands on. I had watched and enjoyed more dubs than subs (thanks mostly to TV), and had no hatred of dubs outright. The original dub of Akira, as bad as I now think it is, was far more watchable than GitS. Of course I never thought I could like Akira more until I saw it subbtitled. Such an improvement It's hard to imagine. As far as the Ghost in the Shell movie verses the comic, I agree with what you say accept that I still preffer the comic version. I have grown to like the film quite a bit since that horrible first impression, but the comic will always be a favorite of mine. I just hope they do Appleseed justice in the film version.

  • March 23, 2003, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Hope it's half as good as Man Machine Interface

    by Wino-Forever

  • March 23, 2003, 3:43 p.m. CST

    ahh

    by hellboy15

    In response to case, I am well aware of every one of your points, being an anime and asian film junkie, but that doesn't change the fact the avalon was a major dissapointment to me. Its not that I didn't understand the cultural tendencies of japanese film, it's that this one sucked.

  • March 23, 2003, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I hope Oshii is directing this one.

    by kdashf

    For those of you that don't know about the ups and downs of this genius let us take a closerlook. In his hayday when Oshii wrote and directed his features he focus on various messages dealing from politics: Patlabor movies 1&2 to spirituality with GITS. Amazing movies that propelled his name to godlike status but it seems he has been trying to pass the torch to the directors of today so he created his own company titled 'Team Oshii' and have taken a backseat to just producing his projects.And what do we get from this, we get Blood the Last Vampire and Avelon both complete pieces of shit. I do not know the production aspects of the sequel but let us hope that he has taken back the directors chair with this one.

  • March 23, 2003, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Avalon WAS directed by Oshii

    by talbuckin

    Wether you like or not, he was the director. Check the docummentary Days Of Avalon and you will see good old Mamoru directing each and everyday, even sick and cold. The doco lasts one hour and a half and covers the shooting in a very detailed way. You might like it or not but no doubt is Oshii

  • March 23, 2003, 4:42 p.m. CST

    the dog

    by legion9

    if i remember, and i do remember this well the dog you see on the poster is the same (kind) of dog as in avalon. as avalon and ghost. were related theme wise (the ghost) maybe they are aiming for a strange kind of trilogy.

  • March 23, 2003, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Akira is not "choppy"

    by RadicalEdward

    Ed thinks your an ignorant fool, just like Vin Deisals stupid face. GIT2 will be cool, but the Cowboy Bebop movie is coming out in April!

  • March 23, 2003, 7:50 p.m. CST

    It found a bark... now it needs a tail and a wet nose

    by Subversive01057

  • March 23, 2003, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Dont mean to go off topic, but since there's no frickin TB for t

    by XTheCrovvX

    SPIRITED AWAY WON!!!!!!! FUCK YES!!!!!!! Right from the start, no less.....good work.....voters did the right thing...for once....now, give Charlie Kaufman the award for Adaptation, and LOTR best Picture, and all is right with the universe....now where's our frickin TB???

  • March 23, 2003, 10:56 p.m. CST

    No Akira is not choppy, but it isn't as flowing as a lot of othe

    by Smeg For Brains

    Overly smooth, and flowing animation isn't realistic. Akira is animated in a more realistic manner, and doesn't distort the characters to achieve the smooth quality. Since they aren't really able to give the frames the motion blurs they would need to really make the movement look more real it ends up with a slight strobe effect, much like stop motion animation.

  • March 24, 2003, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Eastern and Western animations -- I like 'em both.

    by Oh Hell

    Peter Chung, the creator of AEON FLUX, made a striking observation comparing Western and Eastern animations on this site: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00A7Oa >>>>>>>>>>>> "...I can assure you that the character animation in Disney films is labored over with a degree of meticulousness that would bring most Japanese or Korean animators to their knees. Again, that's not to say it's always better. For myself, I often prefer the flawed, but spontaneous gestures of animation done under restrictive means. It's like the difference between a jazz improvisation and the polished performance of a classical musician who's honed his notes over countless rehearsals." <<<<<<<<<<<

  • March 24, 2003, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Smeg ..damn your right

    by RadicalEdward

    Smeg knows his stuff. Listen up and give him de props.

  • March 24, 2003, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Dog explained

    by Bregna

    Foolish people. Oshii includes that dog in all his films because he has one just like it; it's his equivalent of a Hitchcock cameo. Goodchild

  • March 24, 2003, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Shirow is not very good and he shouldn't be praised

    by RunningDevil

    Ok the reason why Oshii is such a great director is he managed to bring together such a brilliant story out of the pulphenticrap Shirow is know for. Have you read the comic? it's terrible, I can't believe everyone praises this guy. also the categorisation of putting everything done from asia as anime is crazy, there are so many styles of animation that come from the asian region you can't say that they are all the same. It also seems that when something is done right its done in a westerner way. Watch akira and look at the cinematography (I know it's an animation but that term still applies) it's looks just like a hong kong film. It's beautiful, this is something all us westerners have been trying to rip off for years but it is distinctly an asian style. As for why anime is choppy, there's a couple of answers. 1 I think america has a different frame rate and 2 they animate at a lower ratio than say a disney film, this is probably due to working with higher detail and having less money. oh and as for that peter chung quote, well as much as I like the man he's just plain stupid. He can't have gone to every single animation company in asia. Once again you can't categorise, each film and company works different. The company Gainax (evangelion) for example call themselves the otaku (fans of anime) and they are trying to evolve the medium (FLCL a good example) watch each film on its own merits and realise that there will be an animated film out there that you will love if only you give it a chance. I recommend cowboybebop if you're a brucelee fan

  • March 24, 2003, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Why Is Anime So Choppy? It's often done at a low frame rate, I

    by minderbinder

    Look at the Spirited Away clip they showed on the Oscars, looks choppy as hell, I'm guessing it's not over 8 frames per second. Personally I don't like it, it looks cheap and schlocky. It would be nice if they could afford to do it at at least 12 fps.

  • March 24, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    yeah, that bugs me too, why does Leonardo do so many voice dubs?

    by Tall_Boy

    its very unsettling. Anyway, I really should watch Spirited Away, considering how I've had it downloaded on my computer for a month and all...

  • March 24, 2003, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Not Ghost In The Shell 2

    by Urge to Kill

    GOD DAMMIT!!! This is not GITS 2 it is Ghost In The Shell:Innocence it is inspired by stories from the first GITS manga. Man/Machine Interface is Ghost In The Shell 2, Oshii has even made it a point to state that on several occasions. The first GITS movie only covered about a quarter of the story from the original manga.

  • March 24, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Reason for choppiness.

    by kyle81

    Its pretty damn simple. Americans spend 50-60 million on one stupid kid animated flick that takes 2-3 years to make. Most expensive Japanese anime film was about 18 million only and are done much quicker. As for anime being choppy? I think thats a bunch of BS. American animation has to many frames of animation making the images to be very fake and in essence cartoony. Smoothness is there but animators have no idea how to even attempt realism as character glide around in unrealistic fashions.

  • March 24, 2003, 9:33 p.m. CST

    3-D

    by scificomicguy

    They should make it 3-D like the original release of Space Adventure Cobra. I'm not a big fan of anime, I find most of it boring ad slow, but I liked Macross and Voltron a lot. I really think it's time that they bring back 3-D movies though and if I remember the original correctly, there were lots of scenes in it that would've been cool in 3-D. Oh yeah, and it needs to be real 3-D, not that lame assed stuff I saw when I donned my 3-D glasses while watching the home releases of Space Adventure Cobra, Freddy's Dead and SpaceHunter.

  • March 24, 2003, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Most television Anime is low frame rate, but a lot of movies get

    by Smeg For Brains

    Akira was animated at 24 Fps, which is the same as a live action film. I'm not sure, but I would doubt that any Miyazaki film is animated at anything but the best framrate (24fps) of film. It has a lot more to do with the style of movement they are aiming for in the animation. if you want an arm to swing smoothly in animation you distort the drawings in the frames of motion to fake the smoothness of the motion, but if you want an arm to swing realistically you draw the arm the way it looks realistically in all frames. Like I said before this means there is no motion blur, simulated or otherwise, and it looks slightly choppy. It is by no means cheaper to do it this way, as you are still drawing very detailed images for each frame, but I could see how you probably could spend a lot of time laboring over getting the distortion right in the smooth technique of animation. I also watched the Oscar clip for Spirited Away (Thank god that won!) last night, and you can see the effect in it. It isn't as smooth, but man is it beautiful looking. Also as far as animation cost goes, animation is like anything. If it is done in the American, or Hollywood system it is outrageously expensive compared to foreign costs. I mean all three Lord of the Rings movies cost nothing compared to what is spent on movies made in the Hollywood system. The same can be said of Disney. A $60 million animated disney film takes longer than the Japanese equivalent because they have fewer people working on it, and costs more because it is animated in America at Disney. In Japan they send a lot of the animation to Korea, and save that way. Budgets of any American made films are always much higher than foreign made films. It doesn't mean all of that money is up on the screen.

  • March 24, 2003, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Most television Anime is low frame rate, but a lot of movies get

    by Smeg For Brains

    Akira was animated at 24 Fps, which is the same as a live action film. I'm not sure, but I would doubt that any Miyazaki film is animated at anything but the best framrate (24fps) of film. It has a lot more to do with the style of movement they are aiming for in the animation. if you want an arm to swing smoothly in animation you distort the drawings in the frames of motion to fake the smoothness of the motion, but if you want an arm to swing realistically you draw the arm the way it looks realistically in all frames. Like I said before this means there is no motion blur, simulated or otherwise, and it looks slightly choppy. It is by no means cheaper to do it this way, as you are still drawing very detailed images for each frame, but I could see how you probably could spend a lot of time laboring over getting the distortion right in the smooth technique of animation. I also watched the Oscar clip for Spirited Away (Thank god that won!) last night, and you can see the effect in it. It isn't as smooth, but man is it beautiful looking. Also as far as animation cost goes, animation is like anything. If it is done in the American, or Hollywood system it is outrageously expensive compared to foreign costs. I mean all three Lord of the Rings movies cost nothing compared to what is spent on movies made in the Hollywood system. The same can be said of Disney. A $60 million animated disney film takes longer than the Japanese equivalent because they have fewer people working on it, and costs more because it is animated in America at Disney. In Japan they send a lot of the animation to Korea, and save that way. Budgets of any American made films are always much higher than foreign made films. It doesn't mean all of that money is up on the screen.

  • March 25, 2003, 4:44 a.m. CST

    My fellow animators...

    by ShinRyoga

    It's truly a sad (and intimidating) day when someone says AKIRA looks choppy. >_<

  • March 25, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST

    There's no way in hell that Spirited Away clip on the oscars was

    by minderbinder

    " I would doubt that any Miyazaki film is animated at anything but the best framrate (24fps) of film." Did you see it? There's no way it was 24fps, it was slow enough to see the individual frames. And Hardly any 2d animation is at 24fps, even disney does everything at 12. And how can anyone claim that lower framerate looks MORE realistic? Are you on crack? Watch someone walk around, do you see individual frames?

  • March 31, 2003, 1:57 a.m. CST

    WHY GOD WHY?!!!

    by fuchikoma

    How did Oshii get his grubby little hands on another GITS movie? I mean, I'm sure he's talented in his own right. I have Avalon, but I've yet to watch it. But every time he gets his hands on someone else's work, he RUINS it! He's almost as bad as Hideaki Anno! He took the Urusei Yatsura movies, based on a slapstick romance comedy, and turned them into boring, bleak, depressing crap! He took the Patlabor movies, based on another funny show, and removed ALL humor from them, and made them grim and slow. Then he took Ghost in the Shell, a brilliant manga that spans countless technological, political, spiritual, philosophical etc... topics, a whole range of moods (again, including humor), and characters with the depth you'd expect from Shirow, and what came out? A bleak, depressing movie with characters about as deep as the cels they were painted on (and some key characters removed entirely, I guess because they may have added some humor) which covered... a brief blip in the manga. I mean, it's like he has to completely trash an artist's work just to mark it as his own! Now I see his "trademark" on the poster of this upcoming movie, along with a damaged cyborg (He once said in an interview something along the lines of "I find self-destruction quite arousing, and in the end I am completely fulfilled." (WTF?!) Why do they keep letting this guy direct movies?!

  • Aug. 8, 2003, 5:01 p.m. CST

    re: WHY GOD WHY

    by gridsleep

    Oh, they're probably just getting back at us for ruining their party at Midway.