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Peter Jackson clears up the arrival of a RETURN OF THE KING trailer and the TWO TOWERS Dvd!

Hey folks, Harry here... When TheOneRing.Net got a rumor about a trailer being stuck on the end of TWO TOWERS in two weeks, I decided to contact Peter Jackson to see if the rumors were true. Would we be getting a special RETURN OF THE KING preview like we got of TWO TOWERS on FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING? Here's the response I got...

Hi Harry,

None of these stories have any truth.

As far as I'm aware the first ROTK trailer will hit cinemas about May or June.

We're not doing a ROTK trailer for the end of Two Towers like we did last year. The reason is that the TT extended DVD has been so complex this year, it would have taken too many resources away from trying to get that finished.

The FOTR extended cut had 35 extra CG shots - the TT extended cut has over 150. Weta are plowing through those, plus starting ROTK. We have a huge TT extended cut sound mix in a few weeks. It's all very complex and we deemed an early ROTK trailer as simply too much to take on this time around.

I am loving cutting ROTK! Very happy.


Peter J

So there ya have it...


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  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Two Towers DVD

    by soundingbrass

    Is there an projected release date for the Two Towers extended DVD yet?

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:22 p.m. CST


    by Dannychico

    While I'm sad I won't have a legitimate excuse to go see TTT for a sixth time, I'm glad PJ is dedicating his resources to TTT extended and ROTK. I'm glad he's enjoying himself.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by K|LLDOZER

    i think PJ is just being lazy. just kidding, no i don't.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by Pulzar711

    I was looking forward to that trailer!!!! Dammmit, I can't wait til JUNE!!!!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Well, I guess I should feel sort of cheated, but i'm not

    by 007-11

    Would have been nice though, oh well, only two more months then.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by LordWeymont

    Man his scenes were raped hard... he and the ENTS best have some extended scenes... on a lighter note.... YOU HAVE TO CHECK THIS OUT....PREPARE TO FUCKING LAUGH FUCKING VERY FUCKING HARD:

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:25 p.m. CST

    this should fill up quick

    by imageburn13

    time cant go slow enough, can it...

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by scooby doo-doo

    The TTT DVD is going to be a belter! Can't wait, oh the agony!!

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:30 p.m. CST

    PJ would be the perfect choice to shoot the Illiad and the Odyss

    by Pvt. Duke

    That would rule.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 5:35 p.m. CST

    release dates

    by semuta

    same as last year. 2dvd theatrical set in August, 4dvd extended edition in November. The wait until May-June for a trailer is going to suck. At least PJ isn't wasting time fishing for an oscar this year.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 6:02 p.m. CST

    So, you just called him up. YOU CALLED PETER JACKSON! what, yo

    by T-MACK 1.01

    I swear, I'm getting fed up with you and your connections. You should have asked him about the TTT:EE DVD. Like what's to be on it, and the length. And it's not 'Dvd'. It's 'DVD'.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 6:21 p.m. CST

    I'LL TAKE IT !!

    by Pallando Blue

    Woo-hoo, works fer me! :) Keep on the stuff that MATTERS, PJ. (Trailers are fun, but, c'mon.) Especially ROTK, oooooh yeah. 150 new Two Towers F/X shots...? Okay!

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 6:41 p.m. CST

    How do Elrond and Galadriel communicate?

    by Shagrat999

    There are three possibilities. 1) There are three elven rings. Elrond has one, Galadriel has one and the third is yet to be shown. 2) Galadriel has the mirror, and since all the "communication" was a soliloquy, maybe she only sent, but did not receive. 3) If the Aragorn/Arwen stuff was more than just a dream, this may be an inate ability of the high elves. I have not seen this ability detailed in the book anywhere, however, Galadriel did know before Celeborn that Gandalf had fallen (both book and film), so it is most likely connected to her ring.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Gandalf! Noooooooo!!!!!!

    by Jon314159

    Sorry, but I always feel I have to attach 'Gandalf!' in front whenever I utter a loud, prolonged 'No'. Well, at least he has a good reason but it's still going to be a heck of a long year of waiting...first for the trailer then the TTT DVD then the TTT EE DVD...etc, etc. Oh, and soundingbrass, they are planning to release the TT extended edition at around the same date they released the FotR, likely in November.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Re: Shagrat999

    by Nazg

    Yeah, I am pretty sure Elrond and Galadriel can communicate using their three elven rings (the other belongs to Gandalf). I wonder if they will reveal that in ROTK? Oh well, we will just have to wait until May. Hopefully, it will be an awesome full-length trailer, and not a 1 min teaser trailer. At least there will be X-2 and Reloaded to hold us over until next december. I wonder what scenes will get more screen time in the TTT extended edition?

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 7:11 p.m. CST

    This sounds very encouraging

    by daughter of time

    Much as I would like to see the ROTK trailer on the big screen, and as soon as possible, the idea that editing the TTT SEV is such a complex task as to override all other concerns (other than ROTK itself) gives me hope.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    They're not gonna release a TT DVD and then come out with a "sup

    by truthseekr1488

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 7:47 p.m. CST

    P.S. FIRST!!! (I know I'm not but it sounds good so why not.)

    by truthseekr1488

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 7:56 p.m. CST

    150 new F/X shots??

    by HomelessG

    WTF? Why don't they FIX all the shoddy compositing and BAD CGI in the theatrical first...and if ROTK is even more complex, why don't they focus on making sure those special effects are done? WTF is PJ thinking?

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 7:58 p.m. CST

    EE DVD work, Trailers, PR...

    by HomelessG

    I''m pretty sure that's why TTT had so many "unfinished" looking effects shots.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Better Structure, Please

    by odysseus

    I was one of several people I know who was a bit let down by TTT -- mostly due to the fact that the pacing and structure (until the last 45 minutes) felt extremely awkward. I'm hoping that PJ will take some time to rethink the overall plot structure, and re-edit the film to make it flow better. BTW, I don't know how he'd fix the Ent scenes -- for while I wanted to see more of them, and feel a greater sense of awe about the Ents, they were unfortunately quite dull. Does anyone else agree with me... without getting into an idiotic "sucks"/"rocks" debate?

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 8:15 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Anybody who disses Harry for saying that he called up Peter Jackson is trying too hard. What did you want him to say? "Uh...uh...hunh....Peter Jackson, ladies and gentlemen!" Or would you rather he said "Here is some information from a reliable source." I mean, yes, sometimes Harry seems like he's flaunting his connections, and most likely he's doing so (at least on some level) in this case, as well. But are you gonna try and demolish him for everything? This is actually news. It's not a mega-scoop, but it's progress info from the director of a movie. Harry just gave us a little background information, and if he comes across as fatuous about it, who gives a shit? I seriously think that the only reason some people come to this site anymore is so that they can try desperately, unctuously, to dig some insult out of all of Harry's scoops, even when there's nothing really there, just in order to make the Facer happy. Christ.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 8:17 p.m. CST

    November 4

    by The Outlander

    TTT Extended Edition DVD

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

    My, my, my...

    by Evil Chicken

    The Peter Jackson stuff is wonderful. I can't wait for the collectors edition! LordWeymont Had to check out the site. It's good to see that the Special Olympics are still at work in the community at large. :)

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 8:28 p.m. CST

    An extra 150+ CG shots? Holy shit! And PJ rules.

    by a goonie

    "I am loving cutting ROTK!" What a great line. I can't wait for the summer so I can pick up my copy of TT on DVD, then Nov. or Dec. (which one is it again?) for the extended version. This is awesome. And oh shit, I cannot wait until the ROTK trailer comes out!

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 9:30 p.m. CST

    The site...

    by LordWeymont

    Aren't those fuckers sorry? SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY. I love thuggy-little-white-boy-kiddy-boos. Yah, I agree the end of TT was choppy and fast... PJ should improve it. The ENTS were way back on the burner too. Here is the site if anyone wants to know what I am talking about:

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 9:50 p.m. CST

    To Shagrat999

    by Barron34

    I am rather certain that the communication between Elrond and Galadriel is due to them each holding one of the three Elven rings. I do not recall it happening in th ebooks, but I remember growing up on Tolkein's works and always wondering about things, such as what can the Elven rings actually do? This kind of empathic contact between Galadriel and Elrond is just one such type of thing that I always imagined, and which makes perfect sense. Barron out.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 9:50 p.m. CST

    To Shagrat999

    by Barron34

    I am rather certain that the communication between Elrond and Galadriel is due to them each holding one of the three Elven rings. I do not recall it happening in th ebooks, but I remember growing up on Tolkein's works and always wondering about things, such as what can the Elven rings actually do? This kind of empathic contact between Galadriel and Elrond is just one such type of thing that I always imagined, and which makes perfect sense. Barron out.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I Just Want To Reiterate To Peter Jackson

    by Barron34

    Thanks once more to Peter Jackson and his great troupe of filmmakers for these wonderful films. I don't want to get all mawkish, but I grew up on Tolkein's works; they were a central part of my childhood. I just loved the books as a kid, and they gave me great happiness. Now, as a somewhat jaded adult, it is wonderful to feel like a kid again for the few hours when I sit and watch these movies, transported to a wonderful place that I haven't been to in a long time. Thanks again, Mr. Jackson, and thanks to all the great folks who made this movie.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Heh heh

    by Ribbons

    From now on, I'm ending all wordz that once had an 's' in them with a 'z,' cuz I'm icy hot, beeotch! Don't hate, appreciate.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:16 p.m. CST

    by Starbuck1975

    While there are some things Jackson simply can't fix since he deviated from the book quite significantly...elves at Helm's Deep, no Ents at Helm's Deep, the fact that Gandalf and not Theoden suggested they retreat to Helm's Deep (in the book, Theoden leads an intense battle to prevent the Uruk-Hai from crossing the river Isen), and the botched up job with extended cut could perhaps help the pacing a bit.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks HarryIlluvatar...

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Sorry to see the trailer gone, but if the Two Towers SEV makes up for it, I won't be too upset... I've read that the Theatrical TTT will be coming out in August 03 and the SEV around the same time in November as the FOTR SEV. Galadriel and Elrond were communicating telepathically I thought that seemed pretty straight forward. Beware of Spoilers now, (to some maybe...) In ROTK the book, after the war of the ring ends, Galadriel, Elrons, Gandalf and CELEBORN sit around and discus a number of things without talking. This seems to indicate that the Eldar (High ELves) and Maiar (Gandalf)innately possess the ability to communicate telepathically, given that Celeborn never possessed one of the 3 Elven Rings, whether he possessed one of the 'lesser' rings or not is never explained, but I tend to think that the Eldar, being "greater in stature and mind than mortal man," possessed this ability, irregardless of whether or not they wore a ring of power. Cheers.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I've seen TTT twice already and will see it again before it leav

    by Noriko Takaya

    It, and Fellowship, are truly magnificent works of Art. Let the Lord of the Rings trilogy stand for all time as a ringing rebuke against those who say that art and commerce cannot mix or that movies must always appeal to that which is lowest and basest in us in order to make money. Wrong, chumps. I cannot wait until Return of the King! Oh yeah, and just to piss off the flamers: Attack of the Clones kicked maximum ass and Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions will rule the earth. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-haa! Toppu o Nerae!

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:31 p.m. CST


    by Walken's Oscar

    When will it be attached? Did I miss a time frame? I want to wait until the ROTK trailer is a attached before I see TTT one last time in theater.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by greyspecter i getting tired of the "star wars rip off" crowd. in point of fact, Tolkien wrote the Holy Trilogy about 25-30 years prior to Lucas' theft. though not to say that Tolkien didn't borrow some ideas from, oh, say, Beowulf. or maybe The WEll AT THE END OF THE WORLD. (i'm not yelling, by the by; read the book and you'll understand). three cheers for PJ, for giving me hope that genre films can be better than Lucas' crap. (first three, superb, last three, crapola). 2 matrix movies, and RotK? ahh, it's great to be alive.... i'm out

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by Walken's Oscar

    I didn't read that right... NEVER? Well that sucks, but perhaps focusing on ROTK and not trailers or awards will allow him to make a better film than TTT. The weakest book is so far the weakest movie. Better than most other films I saw last year, but no FOTR. Last year FOTR got screwed by "Give an Oscar to Opie", but this year TTT, doesn't really deserve it over Chicago, About a Boy or Adaptation.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Ummm....maybe you should check the guy's name, greyspecter

    by Ribbons

    'Supertroll!' should probably count for something, but oh, well...and yes, it is a great time to be alive...for us to go see cool movies and forget about our lives.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Celeborn's Ring

    by Forbidden_Donut

    Celeborn bore the Ring of Fire, he passed it on to Gandalf when Gandalf first arrived from the West at the Havens, I believe at the beginning of the Third Age, this is one of the things he wished to speak to Gandalf about in the extended version. Now whether or not this gives him the ability of telepathic communication even without the ring I have no clue.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Anybody else notice the sound effects "borrowed" from the earlie

    by Monkey_King

    The Ents growling was taken from Smaug in THE HOBBIT and thre were other noises as well. Listen closely and you'll see what I mean. PJ is very sneaky and clever. Let's hope his KING KONG film is the shiznit. Bring Rick Baker back to do Kong. Let WETA do the rest.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 11:17 p.m. CST

    My Tolkien Lore is weak, I am shamed

    by Forbidden_Donut

    Cirdan the Ship-wright had the Ring of Fire, apologies, no idea how Celeborn communicates telepathically then.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Some clarifications on LOTR and Tolkien

    by tritium

    There has been some posts discussing the telepathic connections between Galadriel, Celeborn, Gandalf. This occurs in the chapter "Many Partings". Here is an excerpt: "They had journeyed thus far by the west-ways, for they had much to speak of with Elrond and with Gandalf (i.e. Celeborn and Galadriel), and here they lingered still in converse with their friends. Often long after the hobbits were wrapped in sleep they would sit together under the stars, recalling the ages that were gone and all their joys and labours in the world, or holding council, concerning the days to come. If any wanderer had chanced to pass, litle would he have seen or heard, and it would have seemed to him only that he saw grey figures, carved in stone, memorials of forgotten things now lost in unpeopled lands. For they did not move or speak with mouth, looking from mind to mind; and only their shining eyes stirred and kindled as their thoughts went to and fro." WOW--classic Tolkien, conveying so much imagery and detail in such a short, almost lyrical passage. Anyways...about the telepathic communication... I do believe Tolkien intended that the "instrument" for this ESP-like coummunication was in PART due to the rings. Of the three Elven Rings, Galadriel wielded Nenya. Elrond wielded Vilya, the mighties of the Three. Previously this was worn by Gil-Galad, but before he died he gave the ring to Elrond. Gandalf wielded Narya, the ring of Fire. Narya was given to Gandalf by Cirdan, the Elven Ship-wright, when Gandalf of the Istari first appeared in Middle-Earth. "For Cirdan saw further and deeper than any other in Middle0earth, and he welcomed Mithrandir (Gandalf) at the Grey Havens, knowing whence he came and whither he would return. 'Take this ring, Master,' he said, 'for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you in the weariness that you have taken upon yourself. For this is the Ring of Fire, and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill. But as for me, my heart is with the Sea, and I will dwell by the grey shores until the last ship sails. I will await you' " The key clue that the rings themsevles imparted hyper visionary and communicative powers comes during Frodo's meeting with Galadriel at "The Mirror of Galadriel". Galadriel is able to see what Frodo has seen in the mirror, and to read his thoughts. Frodo's senses are also hightened by him being the Ringbearer. He is able to percieve the ring that Galadriel wears. Sam only thought he saw a star shining thru her fingers. Note: Like in so many places, PJ departs from the book. In the movie FOTR, Sam does not occompany Frodo to the meeting with Galadriel at her mirror. This kind of sucks, since in the book, Sam also looks in the mirror and sees the foreshadow of the Scouring of the Shire, as well as Frodo lying "asleep" after the Shelob incident. Of course, one should also note that the ability of the High Elves and Gandalf (a Mair) to see things into the past and future (altough all things were not revealed to them) and the ability to read the minds of others (although only partly)...could also be an inate "ability" of the High Elves and especially Gandalf, being an Angelic being. Another point of interest. There are many places in the movie version of FOTR and TTT where bits of dialogue are taken almost verbatim from the books, but used in completely different locations and time. Also, the narration by Cate Blanchett during the FOTR Prologue "steals" this great bit of dialogue from Treebeard in Return of the King: "Then Treebeard said farewell to each of them in turn, and he bowed three times slowly and with great reverence to Celeborn and Galadriel. 'It is long, long since we met by stock or by stone, A vanimar, vanimalion nostari!' he said. 'It is sad that we should meet only thus at the ending. For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air..." Cheers, Tritium

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Why Ents should be better...

    by Tokyo Joe

    Two Towers theatrical was aiming for the super fast pacing of Fellowship, but couldn't get away with cutting out the Ents altogether without risking fan warfare. Ents by their very nature don't work well at super hasty speeds. Which is why I have lots of hope for the SE DVD. Which can take it's time with the story, show Ents not being too hasty, without distracting from the awsomeness of Helms Deep. I kind of agree with another poster above (or below??!) me. The Ent scene should have been more awsome. I think the Ents themselves were cool, but as Treebeard announces the last march of the Ents, Howard Shore's music soars the camera moves upwards and Pippin turns to witness the whole of Fangorn forest marching upon Isengard. It'd be nice to see Fangorn turn up at Helms Deep to eat the few remaining orc survivors at the beginning of Return of the King, but I don't suppose that's gonna happen either. :(

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:38 a.m. CST

    They already did Rambo 4 its coming out this march,its just call

    by kicker_of_elves

    First Posters eat shit and die u fuckers!

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:42 a.m. CST


    by kicker_of_elves

    i gotta stop getting online when im drunk...

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Halbarad in Rotk

    by KouKzm

    Does anybody know if Halbarad, a Ranger of the Northlands will be in Rotk? I heard rumor that he will.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:51 a.m. CST


    by Drowned God

    Nicely put Tritium. Tokyo Joe, Treebeard wasnt at Helms Deep, that was the Huorns(Evil Ents) sent by Treebeard. And anyone who says LOTR is a rip off of Star Wars, needs help.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:53 a.m. CST

    by Drowned God

    Sorry tokyo, I obvisously cant read lol(You didnt say treebeard:) And yes that would be very cool too see.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 3:22 a.m. CST

    damn you, PJ!

    by cake or death?

    this is both good and bad news. good news because of the attention being paid to the SE DVD and ROTK and bad news because how the hell are we supposed to wait until may or june to see the trailer??? sweet sweet agony.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Response to Jack Aubrey AND a crap jike

    by Henry's Cat

    New Zealand voted a couple of years ago to do without knighthoods (I suppose to break with the Queen, who dishes them out) so PJ was awarded the highest civilian honour instead (order of the kiwi?). But it's good to get some recognition anyway. Right, now for that joke.... A German guy approaches a prostitute. "I vish to buy sex viz you." "OK" says the girl, "I charge 20 euro an hour." "Ist gut, but I must varn you, I am a little kinky." "No problem" she replies cautiously, "I can do kinky." So off they go to the girl's flat, where the German produces four large bedsprings and a duck caller. "I vant you to tie ze springs to each of your limbs." The girl finds this most odd, but complies, fastening the springs to her hands and knees. Now you vill get on your hans und knees." She duly does this, balancing on the springs. "You vill please blow zis vistle as I make love to you." She finds this odd, but figures it's harmless, and the guy is paying. The sex is fantastic. She is bounced all over the room by the energetic German,allthe time honking on the duck caller. The climax is the most sensational thatshe has ever experienced, and it is several minutes before she has recoveredthe breath to say: "That was totally amazing, what do you call that?" . . "Ah," says the German, "four-sprung duck technique"

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 4:49 a.m. CST


    by Dan James

    Hey Supertroll, how can LoTR be a ripoff of Star Wars when LoTR was finished 20 years beforehand??

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 5:44 a.m. CST


    by ElrondPeredhil

    was gonna post a few exerpts from Silmarillion concerning the telepathic abilities of the Three, but scanning through i note that Tritium has beaten me to it :/ in response to Tritium, i am in work at the minute discussing the pro's and con's of the "misplaced" dialogue in relation to the story and the characters. i have to say that i think the film adaptation holds water. i especially liked Galadriel's introduction to FotR, with Fangorn's line from RotK, "I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air ..." truly sets the mood for the film! on the whole i am pleased with the adaptations, but, like the book, they are far too short.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 6:05 a.m. CST

    I love TTT at the movies...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    But what I could really do with is more Hobbits (and Ents), which hopefully the EE will provide. Did Harry ask what was gonna be extended on the divida? 'Cos I get cranky when I don't get enough crying midgets.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 9:40 a.m. CST

    harry knowles address book

    by DavidCamp

    I wish i could hack into his email, purely to see all the amazing famous people addresses.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Don't you just love it when....

    by Raider

    Someone trying to be so smart says LOTR is just a cheap knock-off of Wagner. Hey, guess what, Wagner didn't come up with that whole story right off the top of his head. He borrowed heavily from German mythology, then added many of his own elements into the story! Much like Tolkien. So if you're going to accuse Tolkien of being a no-talent hack simply ripping off older works, at least accuse him of ripping off the right stories. And while you're at it, you might as well accuse Wagner of being a no-talent ripoff too. Stupid, right? Indeed it is.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Saint Peter

    by TheJake

    God bless you Peter Jackson. You make good movies.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Worth the wait

    by Shawn F.

    Oh well, it would have been cool to see a Return of the King trailer attached to The Two Towers, but since the actual film is only nine months away and the trailer itself will hit in two months, I think we can all wait without dying. Keep up the great work Mr. Jackson, you have made two great pieces of entertainment and have gone quite a distance in reaffirming my faith that the cinema world hasn't completely lost its ability to deliver event films that actually deliver on their hype promise.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by Big Papa

    Go back and watch that 10-minute preview for TTT that was on the first FotR dvd. There's a scene where Elrond is IN LOTHLORIEN talking to Galadriel and he says "if we do not trust to the strength of Men, then we trust to the victory of Sauron". PJ just didn't have enough time to show the elves travel all the way to Lorien and have a council, and not slow the movie down, so he had to cut it. Maybe it will be in the EE.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Look at the leaves - IT'S A PLANT

    by Damitol

    PLANT ALERT "I am loving cutting ROTK! Very happy." Sure - yeah - SO WHY CAN'T WE SEE A PREVIEW NOW? I'll tell you why - becuase it's all bad and this Jackson guy is just a studio shill trying to put a positive spin on everything. Well Mr. Planter Jacksplant, I am an educated TalkBacker and can tell from this one line that RotK will suck balls. And that picture of those guys I saw on another web site PROVES that the effects will be so obviously CGI that it will take me right out of the movie. Don't waste your money on this turd. When plants like this are in bloom, it's a sure sign the movie is in SERIOUS trouble.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 12:56 p.m. CST

    So sick of LOTR it's not even funny...

    by TDHArtist72

    I swear, If someone praises Jackson one more time, I'll shit on a plate and feed it to him.... with his fat ass, he'd probably eat it. Yea, they're great films, I enjoyed them, but you people seem to live and die by them. He didn't write the books or create the Characters... Shit, he didn't even do the designs... they've existed for years...only being expanded on. He went to ILM and Lucas for advice on effects and shooting with such heavy effects, so for all you Hobbit-Blowin' fucks out there totally excited at the notion of LOTR beating out AOTC for the Oscar, they wouldn't be nominated without ILM OR Lucas... Even Jackson would tell you that. And being a Computer Animator, I can tell you that NOTHING about Gollum is special. He is as realisitic as Yoda or Watto. The difference, Gollum was acted out in a Motion Capture suit. His motions are done by an actor and then transmitted direct into a computer. Yoda, on the other hand is raw, computer movements and looks amazing. Anyone who knows anything about these things should know that ILM's work is far superior to anything that came out this year. Am I a Star Wars fan? Yes. Did I think AOTC was wonderful and amazing, Nope. But do I think the effects were the best of the year, yes, and close 2nd was Minority Report. I have nothing against LOTR or Jackson personally... He made and is making a wonderful series, but get off your knees and stop suckin on his junk!

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 12:57 p.m. CST

    you guys that tell the ending for us that hadn't read the books

    by jellis10

    I can't believe that you would sit here and tell people how the movies end...

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:24 p.m. CST

    An open letter to Peter Jackson

    by funkybritches

    First off, I love that you're taking the time and putting the extra effort into TTT DVD. And ROTK - take your time. Make it beautiful. You've kicked ass so far. Far beyond what I could ever hope would be made in today's cinematic environment. But dude. Seriously. THROW ME A FRIGGIN BONE HERE. Don't take this the wrong way. But when you make a movie trilogy that creates a craving somewhat akin to what heroin addicts must feel whilst waiting for the next chapter, you gotta give a little away! The last trailer at the end of fellowship was GREAT. Just what I needed to hang on for another eight months. But, PJ, please. Don't hold back on my precious trailers. We wants it. We needs it. Oh, and just for the record, don't mind the geeks who say it's not true to the original, that Star Wars was better, etc. Someday, when they move out from their mother's house, box up their AD&D games, and find something better to do than hang out and nitpick a perfect film.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Good Catch, Big Papa!

    by daughter of time

    One of my hopes for the extended version is that we will get more of the dialogue heard in the previews, such as the line you cited, and also, "He fears what you may become," "Gandalf thinks he has found the lost king of Gondor," etc., which seemed watching the previews to be far more powerful dramatically than some of what we were given - and certainly restores a greater sense of contending powers, not just military struggles.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for SUPERMAN director! Anyone with me? Anyone...

    by JohnnyTremaine

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 4:29 p.m. CST

    rotk trailer

    by orlandobloomfan

    ok if theres gonna be a ROTK trailer on the end of TTT, PJ has 2 put it on VERY SOON. because its only February 28th (almost March). & if u ppl are saying the trailer's going 2 be out in April-June they need 2 do it soon! 'cause its already out of most theaters here in arizona.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 4:59 p.m. CST

    dont do this to me

    by Dragonfire

    May/June? do you have any idea how far away that is? You gotta give us something, even if its a small trailer. I cant wait that long. I prefered TTT to FOTR and dont give a shit about any of the changes PJ made. they all made the story more film-like and even though the books will always be better simply because no film can compare to the film in our imaginations, I think all the changes in TTT were cool and the freedom allowed him to make a more solid film. Any changes PJ made to the characters weren't major changes and they could still have fitted in with the rest of the story. In fact I think if Tolkien had seen the film he might have thought "why didnt I think of that" about a lot of the changes. The ironic thing is I bet he'd be more open-minded about the whole thing then a lot of the fans. Better to make the story more dramatic rather than less dramatic, which is what PJ's changes did. Take the Faramir thing for example. I was surprised by how he portrayed Faramir but when you think about it: he's lost his brother, his father thinks he should died instead of his brother and his homeland's in danger of being destroyed. I'd say his reaction in the film was more realistic than his reaction in the book, and at the end he let frodo go so you cant say PJ portrayed him as evil, and he set it up for ROTK perfectly. The only thing I was disappointed with was that there wasnt enough talk about Aragorn being king as the fan appreciation preview made it look like there was going to be ie. "Sauron is not so powerful that he is above fear. He fears you Aragorn, he fears what you might become". Why wasnt that in the movie? that would have been cool. Anyway, TTT made me more excited for ROTK than FOTR made me for TTT and I really need a trailer....badly.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Attention Damitol...

    by devil0509

    Your post was perhaps the stupidest I have ever seen on AICN talkbacks. To call a post from a director of a given movie a plant is simply asinine. It's like reading a post from the head of marketing of a film and shouting "PLANT!" This is not a plant. This is the director of a movie saying, hey, I'm having fun putting this movie together, it'll be great. The man is not trying to hide his identity to fool you into thinking a neutral observer thinks the movie will be good. He signs the fucking post, Peter Jackson. Do you really think its not patently obvious that PJ has a motivation to say the movie's good? Are you enlightening anyone by pointing that out? Is he an evil man for going online and saying he likes what he's doing with the movie. I would sincerely hope that any director, even Simon West, thinks they're making a good movie. I don't think Jackson is going to come on line and say, "hey fellas, sorry, but ROTK is looking like one big festering pile of shit at this point." You have to be the world's biggest dweeb to shout plant at this post. I'm very sorry for you.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Two Towers

    by megan

    i want to know when the Two Towers comming out, the extended version? and if there are going to be and goof ups on it or anything like that, or if your ever going to show any goof ups?

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 11:41 p.m. CST

    LOTR and IRAC v. US

    by NakedMonk

    Want to read some great Middle Earth satire/parody?

  • March 1, 2003, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Oooh, some learned Tolkien people eh?

    by Conan_the_Humble

    But, what did Celeborn do during these discussions Tritium, if the Rings confered the ability to 'speak' telepathically? I noticed you left out a line or 2 in your quote noticeably, "Soon Celeborn and Galadriel and their folk would turn eastward, and so pass by the Redhorn Gate and down the Dimrill Stair to the Silverlode and to their own country. They had journeyed thus far by the west-ways, for THEY had much to speak of with Elrond and with Gandalf, and here they lingered in converse with their friends." Also in the Silmarillion when Finrod Felagund first discovers man, he discovered that he could "read in the minds of men such thoughts as they wished to to reveal in speech." Seems like telepathy no? And there were certainly no rings of pwer in those days. Cheers.

  • March 1, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by hubisi

    Hello Mr. Jackson, Please, please, please, please get that f***** trailer online. Please, please, please, please. We can't wait until may or june. Are you crazy? thats far too long!!!! get a trailer online now!!!!

  • March 1, 2003, 8:38 p.m. CST

    This report gives me hope...

    by Orson W

    My hope rests on the word "complex" in relation to the task of making the TTT EE. My dream is that PJ is actually re-cutting the entire movie and making it better: removing all the scenes that are poorly conceived and executed. Last night I watched Tim Burton's mediocre re-make of Planet Of The Apes and gnashed my teeth to find yet another movie that uses the same Hollywood cliches that are to be found in PJ's TTT. The apes' assault on the sackcloth-wearing bad-wig villagers is an exact replica of the dull, lifeless Helm's Deep sequence - virtually blow-for-blow. Even more galling is the fact that the massed army of apes looks ten times more convincing than the CGI orc army in TTT...... But this report creates a tiny glimmer of hope. Could it be possible that PJ is making history by producing an extended cut that is RADICALLY DIFFERENT from the theatrical cut? I remain CONVINCED that there is a GREAT MOVIE trapped inside TTT just crying to get out - all it needs is a decent edit which removes the plot holes, the cliches and the empty Spielbergisms. Please, PJ, make it so! ****** DoT - in reply to your last post on the previous talkback: well, we're basically all engaged in filling in the time before ROTK with idle speculation. Notice that I did qualify my predictions with "from PJ's point of view". Now, obviously it's impossible for either of us to second-guess PJ, but on the other hand we can see certain patterns in his approach to adapting Tolkien's text. You think it is impossible that he would jump straight from the last scene of TTT to Shelob's Lair? Well, as evidence to the contrary, I present the leap-frog from Buckleberry Ferry to Bree! Or from Caradhras to the gates of Moria! ***** As for my point about not re-using a 'stairs' sequence: well, yes, PJ has repeatedly used certain SHOTS (to my extreme annoyance) - trees falling into the caverns of Isengard; Uruk-hai being dug up; a hand clasping/unclasping the ring/white jewel etc, but from his commentary on the FOTR SEV he seems very reluctant to repeat whole SEQUENCES. Again, from HIS POINT OF VIEW, I think he will decide to leave out the endless stair in the theatrical cut - there is far too much other stuff to fit into the movie! Of course, I fully admit that I am typing these musings purely to fill the gap between now and December!

  • March 1, 2003, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Back from #10

    by daughter of time

    (Unless I've lost count.) I watched the first half of the SEV last night (o bliss, o rapture), thinking to watch the second half tonight, and go to TTT tomorrow, but then my weekend got rearranged - and it's not as if I can't follow the plot - no thanks to the Rowok look-alike woman and her two kids who were seated a few seats down from me.... I was tolerant for the first two hours, despite the kids (who were not old enough to read) squirming in their seats, demanding food (one asked for a strawberry - which, for all I knew, the woman had, as she kept digging into bags) and loudly demanding plot explanations and translations of subtitles. I could just barely handle the woman gasping, clapping and saying "Awww, isn't he CUTE!" every time Gollum appeared on screen. Plus, she identified Faramir as "Strider's brother," so the kids thought that Faramir thought he'd died when he fell off the cliff.) I even made it half an hour beyond where the kids started to whine, "When is this going to be over?" But an hour before the end, I leaned over and said, "Don't you think they are a BIT YOUNG for this movie?" She responded with great hostility, "My kids are NOT too young for this movie!" - however, miraculously, it shut them all up for the final hour, which proved she could have been controlling them all along. ***Anyway, the movie.... I had even more appreciation for the way Eomer sizes our heroes up on first meeting - you can see him taking in their sincerety and loyalty to each other and grief over the hobbits. One would not have expected him to be more intuitive than Faramir... who, by the way, really did strike me as having a streak of cruelty, particularly when martyred Frodo looks up at him on the cliff, after Gollum is led away struggling from the pool, and Faramir almost smirks. All he had to do at that moment is look disturbed or be unable to meet Frodo's eyes, or somehow to register that pushing Frodo into an act that makes him look dishonored DOES make him feel a bit dirty himself, but he doesn't. And the way he advances on Frodo with his sword point is menacing WAY beyond the needs of the moment - armed men at his beck and call, an unarmed captive the size of a child - and he DOES use the sword to deliberately back Frodo against the wall and emphasize his own power and Frodo's helplessness, not as if he is just using the blade to keep the Ring at arm's distance. (I'm surprised Sam doesn't bite him!) I will be interested to see in the SEV if Sam gets a few more words in before that annoying lieutenant interrupts the scene, because there is a sense there could be another sentence or two there. I do love the scene before that, particularly the look on Frodo's face when he tells Sam, "You were right." Oh, boy, is that going to be a freeze-frame moment. And so is Eomer's god-like moment poised with Gandalf before the charge. ***Additional note of brilliant Grima loathesomeness - he sits right down on Theodred's bed next to the corpse, as if the body of the king's late son is no more to him than the sheets. How callous is THAT? ***Though mostly I want more hobbits, we really should see what Eowyn is doing during the Helm's Deep sequence, as we don't even see her trying to comfort the women in the cave, and it seems very odd that when they are completely up against it, she isn't demanding to fight - a problem Tolkien didn't have, since she wasn't there. But since she took a whack at an orc in the preview, it IS an odd bit to cut, as it leaves her completely absent after the revisions took the trouble to get her there. ***Orson, I'm still hoping for the stairs - at least a fragment of them as the hobbits emerge from a long climb. After all, these are entirely different stairs - not free-standing, but either hugging the cliff or almost ladder-like (shudder) so PJ really wouldn't be repeating himself, and all it would take would be an establishing shot or two showing what they've climbed -and their level of exhaustion - to establish the peril, without having to show the whole climb. And then they could collapse and preserve a bit of the book's dialogue. Yes, I know, all speculation... but we're looking at three months of nothing, so why not? I wish I knew when TTT was leaving the theatres, so I could pace myself. ***Oh, by the way, I was watching Aragorn float into shore, thinking how miraculous he didn't sink in his sodden leather clothes and boots, and wondering if someone had retrieved his sword from the battlefield - when I noticed it was STRAPPED TO HIS HIP. Which means: 1) he definitely should have drowned, and 2) it's pretty amazing that while being dragged by his hand off a cliff by a tumbling warg, he had the coordination to sheath his sword. I really think the continuity people should have had Gimli retrieve the dropped sword while Legolas saves the necklace.

  • March 1, 2003, 9:46 p.m. CST

    One More Note

    by daughter of time

    I am now convinced that the map scene in Faramir's cave was consciously inspired by the map scene in "Spartacus." Which is fine by me.

  • March 1, 2003, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Ah but MorGoth,

    by Conan_the_Humble

    as I pointed out with my above quote, Celeborn WAS present during their telepathic discussions, unless of course you are referring to the movie telepathic discussion as opposed to the book discussion, in which case you are correct. The word that decides the debate is 'they.' The immediate preceeding sentence is talking about Galadriel and Celeborn. It then goes on to state 'they' had much to discuss etc... So it would seem that Celeborn being of the Moriquendi (I believe) though definitely Sindarin (depending on which of Tolkien's stories you feel is the most 'correct') possesses the ability to communicate with at least Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel, via telepathic means, as you mentioned it is quite an interesting subject. If one Sindarin Elf possessed this power, did they all? Cheers.

  • March 2, 2003, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by januar

    I don't understand why many people say that the lord of the rings is a ripp off from star wars. Are those people not aware that the lord of the rings was written many years before anyone even had heard of star wars?

  • March 2, 2003, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by daughter of time

    Miami, I think the thing about facial expressions is that we can read into them what we will - as do you. Faramir knows he has caught Frodo in a lie before he ever has him brought to the pool - Sam's expression gave that much away, even if Frodo's hadn't. And Frodo has already acknowledged his lie in asking that he not have Gollum shot. However, regardless of Frodo's lie (and even I don't think Faramir is so stupid or shallow as to assume that a captive lying to him means he is allied with the Enemy, and could have no better motive), Faramir DOES know he has forced Frodo into an act that his "guide" sees as betrayal, and that Frodo is feeling great anguish over this. And he shows not a flicker of compassion for Frodo at this point, which certainly plays into how I interpret his on-screen personna. Frodo's very anguish should TELL Faramir that he is dealing with an honorable person. I just don't know why the theatrical version has apparently leant over backwards NOT to give Faramir (or his men) any positive, unambiguous moments of decency toward their captives - such as I hope to see in the SEV. ***By the way, I'd love to see the moment Sam wakes up in the cave and realizes Frodo is missing, or even better, sees Gollum being dragged in, with Frodo STILL missing. It must have been a horrible few minutes for him, and I'd love to know what Frodo said to him when they are put into the inner cave, BEFORE Sam begins urging him to use the Ring to escape. ***Bjarki, I second your last post.

  • March 3, 2003, 7 a.m. CST

    Indeed MorGoth,

    by Conan_the_Humble

    We are not as far as I can discover, told of the origin of the ring of Barahir. It certainly had an amazing history, but I believe it had no innate power, but was simply symbolic of the relationship and history between men (the Edain in particular) and the Elves. I think it's mentioned in the Silmarillion though I can't quite lay my hands on a copy of it at the moment, that the Ring of Barahir had no particular power. I recall it being mentioned during the downfall of Arnor when the remants were forced to endure a harsh winter, whilst 'hiding' from the Witchking's forces. Perhaps you remember this part better. I definitely enjoyed seeing Aragorn wearing the Ring of Barahir, in the movie, but one wonders, why would someone wear something of such ancientry and value, 'in the field'? It could so easily be lost... Cheers.

  • March 3, 2003, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Hobbit? Please???

    by Outburst78

    Anyone know of any plans for a The Hobbit movie? I know Peter Jackson has already said he won't do it (PLEASE CHANGE YOUR MIND!!!) but I was wondering if someone has the license for it (probably New Line, considering...). In my opinion, I think a CG version of The Hobbit would rock. I would go absolutely nuts if Blizzard Entertainment (AWESOME CG for the Diablo, StarCraft and WarCraft games for the few of you not in the know) would do it, but it would probably take ten years if they started today, knowing their commitment to perfection (that's what makes them the best!). It has about as much chance of happening as SW: Episode 7 getting made, but I thought I thought I'd throw it out there. Later!

  • March 3, 2003, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Wargs and so on...

    by Orson W

    DoT: that was a hideous screening you experienced! Personally I used to operate on the "three strikes and you're out" system. If I saw that people were shaping up to talk all the way through the movie, I would tell them off. It always did the trick - except then I would feel uncomfortable with the tension afterwards! Last time I just moved elsewhere and that worked out fine. **** Yup, I noticed Aragorn's magical re-appearing sword too. Basically we are being asked to believe that he managed to sheath it whilst attached to the warg and fighting its rider. Sigh. ***** Yeah, the wargs don't really look that brilliant. Something more wolf-like would have been scarier. Having said that, the warg attack is well choreographed compared to PJ's action scenes so far. Whilst I think the other fighting/battle scenes reach about 30% of their potential, I think the Warg attack makes it up to around 70%, so for me, it's actually one of the movie's highlights. Now if only we could have seen the wargs eating a few of those dratted Rowoks **** The comparisons between Star Wars and PJ's LOTR is not so far-fetched. I feel that TTT's style leans too far towards the sensibilities of The Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones for my liking. If the midichlorians had raised their ugly heads in TTT, it really wouldn't have seemed out of place to me. **** Howe desiigned the monsters and Lee the locations, but there is a THIRD artist who did some (uncredited) design work on LOTR. That man is Ted Nasmith. Now Newline didn't go to the trouble of actually hiring him - but they did make liberal use of his work. Some of PJ's shots are taken directly from his paintings without changing a thing. Check out to see where PJ got the following sequences from: The pass of Caradhras; Gollum leading F+S through the marshes; the smoking plains of Mordor and Mount Doom; the Glittering Caves....

  • March 3, 2003, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Faramir (Sigh)

    by daughter of time

    Mortsleam, your "stern, somewhat amused" description of Faramir's expression is perfectly valid - my point is that for purposes of making the character sympathetic (assuming we WANT him to be sympathetic, which I think we do, if only for Eowyn's sake!), the way to do it is not to make him oblivious to the pain he has caused an even more sympathetic and vulnerable character, because he is so busy congratulating himself on having scored against him (never mind toying with him at swordpoint later). Amusement is just not appropriate here. In another setting, in an adaptation of a different book, the Faramir of the cool raised eyebrow might work for me. And he is internally consistent; just not particularly likeable. In Tolkien, Faramir is yet another example of the instinct in the good for pity and compassion - not to mention the ability to sense instinctively the trustworthiness of others. Eomer, a much sterner warrior, has at least this latter ability, or the good sense to size up even suspect races encroaching on his turf and find in their need and grief grounds for aid and sympathy. If he can do this in mere minutes, why not allow this same trait to Faramir? Oh, yes... Frodo lied. Just WATCH the way he is captured with nary a struggle and no chance to draw his sword -and then, when he is already pinioned and helpless, is picked up and hurled violently to the ground. This isn't some strained interpretation of how Faramir's men behave.... It is what we see on screen. My breakfast companions yesterday, only one of which has even read the book and that too long ago to remember any of it, both had strong negative reactions to Faramir and his men, based purely on what was in the film, and wondered why they weren't presented as more inherently decent, if they are supposed to represent the good guys. One of them brought up Boromir, and how we were at least made to feel his point of view even if we didn't agree with it - and noted that in the SEV, he became even more sympathetic. Which we all hope to see happen to Faramir in the extended TTT. At any rate, he is no more "my" beloved Faramir than the beloved Faramir of millions of readers, many of whom (on TORN and elsewhere) have been equally vocal about the changes to his character - some of them, in words more outraged than mine. I don't think film Faramir is beyond redemption, but I have yet to see evidence of the wonderful character arc that was supposed to make THIS version so much more dramatically interesting than Tolkien's. ***Frija, I do find myself missing Saruman's voice, which permeated FOTR with a stronger sense of over-arching evil than any number of orcs.

  • March 3, 2003, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Sam's Speech to Faramir

    by daughter of time

    In the film, Sam loses it with Faramir and says that Boromir swore an oath to protect Frodo and tried to kill him. Since Sam wasn't there at the time, and what we saw was Boromir violently trying to wrestle the Ring from Frodo, but NOT trying to kill him, is this: 1) poetic license, or did 2) Frodo lie to Sam about the severity of the incident, or 3) Sam assume that's what happened, based on Frodo's trauma and/or silence about the whole thing? Any thoughts?

  • March 3, 2003, 5:17 p.m. CST

    You are right, Frija

    by daughter of time

    Somehow, study hobbit as Sam is, he seems to have a very over-active imagination, perhaps in reaction to Frodo being threatened. Frodo, at any rate, recognized that Boromir was "not himself" and knew the Ring was liable to act on any member of the party (he does tell Aragorn, "The Ring has taken Boromir" and flinches back even from him, before allowing him to come close), but I somehow don't see him reporting a distorted version of events to Sam. And after all, neither of them were there when Boromir died. They don't know that he HAS died, until Faramir tells Frodo, nor anything about the manner of his death. (Frodo's questions are not answered, at least in the theatrical version.) Sam's claiming to know how Boromir died should, if anything, tell against them - as proof that they were lying earlier.

  • March 3, 2003, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Sam's world of make-believe....

    by Orson W

    Frija, I totally agree with your earlier posts on the wargs. As for PJ's action scenes - it's hard to put my finger on what exactly is wrong with them - it's something to do with their rhythm and pacing. Of course, the PG rating doesn't help - and I give PJ the benefit of the doubt for this - but that's not the only reason. I find that I have to adjust myself to his erratic sense of timing - he often seems to cut shots several frames too soon for them to register properly. For me, I only "get" his action scenes on the fourth or fifth viewing and even then I'm left with a sense of dissatisfaction. If I were to go a bit further I would say they are not PERCUSSIVE enough - his fight scenes tend to go off with a whimper rather than with a bang. Helm's Deep to me is totally a damp squib. ****** Re: Sam's speech about Boromir's death - yes this bothered me a lot too. What on earth is Sam talking about? He is literally introducing a new sub-plot that only he knows about. It makes no sense at all! Boromir tried to kill Frodo? When? And in what way did this cause his own death? Now I've seen FOTR many times and I'm quite certain Boromir was slain by orc arrows whilst defending Merry and Pippin. He could hardly have died a nobler death! And in any case, Sam can not know how Boromir died - he wasn't there! Which leads me onto a related point: When Frodo hears that Boromir is dead his reaction is of complete shock and surprise. "Dead?!! How?? When???" he says. Er, doesn't he remember that the last time he saw his friends, they were being set upon by hundreds of Uruk-hai (from whom he himself only barely excaped!). Now shouldn't Frodo suspect that this has something to do with Boromir's death? And that not only Boromir, but the whole Fellowship may be dead? I could never understand why he whimsically said at the end of FOTR, "Mordor. I hope the others find a safer road...". Er, Frodo, your friends are right where you left them five minutes ago - making a desperate last stand against hordes of Uruk-hai! They may be dying right now for all you know!Strange, strange...When I was in school, my English teacher used to say, "Before you hand up any work, ALWAYS read over it to spot the mistakes. You THINK you've made no mistakes, but BELIEVE ME - you HAVE". Sound advice: by re-reading my essays I always found mistakes and inconsistencies that needed to be rectified - otherwise my essay would not make a whole lot of sense. Now why couldn't PJ & Co apply this simple principle? Do they actually read what they've written? Or to go further - do they actually watch the movie they've made?

  • March 4, 2003, 1:59 a.m. CST

    We are now off the page

    by daughter of time

    So this is officially territory claimed by the Tailenders. ***Yes, the trouble with the writing in some scenes is that it is written in terms of what sounds good IN THAT SCENE, without any reference to what the characters know or should know at that place in the STORY. It's dramatically effective - I actually love "May the others find a safer road," as delivered - but that line really only makes sense if the party was still quietly camped when Frodo last saw them, not being set upon by innumerable orcs. This was, after all, filmed and put together as "a jigsaw puzzle," to quote Elijah. It can be difficult enough as the mere omniscient author to remember how much your characters don't know that you do and to keep them ignorant; here, the process is complicated by directors, editors, script revisions and multiple versions - not to mention that desire for the dramatic at the expense of the plausible - but yes, there's no getting around the fact that Frodo, Sam and Faramir all seem to know far too much, or too little, and that continuity seems to have been the least of the filmmakers' concerns. (I would still like to know what telegraph service informed Faramir that Theoden had gone to Helm's Deep! More visions?) When Frodo last saw Aragorn, he was drawing his sword against a solid wall of orcs, to buy time for Frodo to get away. Merry and Pippin were in the process of sacrificing themselves to draw yet more orcs away from the Ringbearer. And Sam hadn't seen a thing, but had certainly heard the battle in progress as he ran for the boat. Of course, you could argue that, compared to Mordor, this was still a "safer road"! And you could also argue that Frodo had such faith in Strider that he assumed Strider did "take care of them," whatever the odds. But it definitely feels more like the filmmakers forgot or didn't care that Frodo doesn't know what we/they know. I didn't question it myself, in the final scene of FOTR - or at least I brushed it off when I did think of it - because the scene "felt right" to me; in fact, it felt and still feels absolutely perfect. After all, in the book, Frodo doesn't know - he left BEFORE the orc attack. I could accept it the way readers seem to accept that Faramir knows Boromir is dead, because it's in the book (and a big "ha!" to treating book and film separately; even the filmmakers have given up on that, when they tell US to fill in the blanks). I could accept it more easily than watching Sam give an optimistic speech that only makes sense because it's superimposed on OUR knowledge of victories just won - a knowledge that Sam doesn't have. I was less bothered by Sam's giving a false version of a death he hadn't witnessed (it was, after all, a desperate move to stop Faramir taking the Ring to Gondor), than I was by the fact that they were talking about the Ring AT ALL in front of half Ithilien. Is there anyone on the East Bank of the Anduin - Nazgul included - that doesn't know Frodo has the Ring? My preference would have been for some fierce, sotto voce conversations between the principals.... But in the end, I don't suppose the inconsistencies matter much. We can, after all, assemble our own mental jigsaws with the wealth of material provided, and forgive people who have compared the process to laying the track as the train almost rolls over them, if it doesn't always make sense. ***All of this is also an argument for PJ and company to take their time - take whatever time it takes - with the TTT SEV and above all, with ROTK, so that the continuity train doesn't roll over them.

  • March 4, 2003, 11:45 a.m. CST

    So now it is officially my fault for hosing the TB

    by mortsleam

    The shape of the world was changed yet again, however, Mortsleam is back through the fire and darkness. Thinking of changing my UserID to "SumTeeMrBoinfoint". Still think that David Bowie would be great as Thranduil. There are plenty of others who were bandied about during the LOTR casting wars that could still be considered. How about Brian Blessed as Bard or Beorn?

  • March 4, 2003, 2:10 p.m. CST

    When will I learn to keep my mouth shut about those damn Marsupi

    by mortsleam

    If Newline somehow gets the rights to the Silmarillion, we could conceivably see Hugo Weaving as Elrond in five or six movies. *** I could have sworn that in The Hobbit Gandalf reveals that while Bilbo and the Dwarves were hiding out in Erebor, Gandalf was busy battling the Necromancer. I suppose I assumed it was in Dol Guldur because of the segment of the Unfinished Tales "Of The Istari" where Gandalf is described infiltrating Dol Guldur, where he discovers that the 'Necromancer' is Sauron. I don't know if it's necessarily 'canon' or not, but at any rate I thought the White Council, Gandalf's meeting with Thorin at Bree, and the fight in Mirkwood would tie neatly into LOTR, especially if we could somehow sneak in cameos by Cate Blanchett & Christopher Lee. Hell, you could even put Radagast and the Blue Wizards in there. I'm sure Pallando would enjoy that.

  • March 4, 2003, 2:11 p.m. CST

    The enigma-coded map of Ithilien and other top secrets...

    by Orson W

    DoT, that's an excellent reply to concerns over plot holes, inconsistencies and continuity errors in these movies - that PJ & Co are laying down the tracks as the train rolls on top of them - well, I guess it's hardly surprising that things aren't perfect. They pretty much got away with it in FOTR, but in TTT the train began to come off the rails a bit...****** What to say though, of the "map" that Faramir and his men use to chart the progress of the war? I must say it makes me chuckle every time to see grown military men using what looks like a playskool drawing to mount their military campaign. LOL! Not exactly a detailed chart of the topography of Ithilien, now is it? What if it should fall into enemy hands! Lol! Their cover would be blown! LOL! Oh stop it.

  • March 4, 2003, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Action Sequences

    by daughter of time

    I still think the best action sequence in the LOTR movies so far was the battle with the orcs at the end of FOTR - it was tense, exciting, clear to watch, full of cool moves by all participants (including the hobbits), well-edited, etc. And the weakest have been much of the battle with the cave troll (blurry, choppy, out of focus, and filled with unreal CGI movements) and the fighting on the wall and on the ground in Helm's Deep (same problems). The Warg battle is right in the middle for me - it's clear, easy to follow, exciting, has some nice humor with Gimli being buried under the growing pile of corpses... but marred by unreal GCI of leaping wargs - and the fact that they are so obviously larger, heavier AND faster than the horses, not to mention more vicious and with enormous teeth, so that they should have torn the horses (and their riders) to shreds within seconds. The combat as pictured just looks too unreal for the Rohirrim to have stood a chance - and I wondered why Legolas abandoned archery for hand-to-hand combat, when the former would have been far more effective (based on his rate of fire and deadly accuracy). Actually, the same goes for Helm's Deep - the Elvish archers should have just withdrawn to the higher wall and fired into the pit, not wasted their skills charging pikes. The funny thing is, out of everything in LOTR so far, PJ seems to be to be weakest at what he seems proudest of - the up-close, densely-populated CGI fight scenes, when what he (and his team) excel at are the sweeping canvases (the orcs approaching Helm's Deep, for example, or the Destruction of Isengard), the intimate fights (Aragorn on Weathertop and vs. Lurtz), the set pieces of pure artistry (Arwen at Aragorn's tomb, Frodo with the Nazgul) and the quietly intense character scenes.

  • March 4, 2003, 3:48 p.m. CST

    The Map

    by daughter of time

    The map scene works for me only for two reasons: 1) it's clearly only there for viewers who don't have the book's maps burned into their brains (not many of US) and 2) it is obviously suggested by the map scene in "Spartacus" and performs a similar function of showing how trapped the characters are by opposing forces - except that in "Spartacus" the few sweeping gestures (Crassus is marching from Rome, Pompey landing at Brindisium, and we're trapped between them unless we move to MEET Crassus) made SENSE. I still can't get over Faramir knowing so much, as if he has a telegraph or carrier pigeons or is using the eagles to tell him what is going on simultaneously hundreds of miles away (never mind his ability to direct troop movements in Osgiliath from his cave). If his visions are THAT good, he shouldn't have to be told about Frodo! The films really have lost all that sense of scattered groups of characters never at any moment knowing whether they might be standing entirely alone. Perhaps the filmmakers cannot truly imagine not being part of an electronic age, when news of battles came days or weeks later. Or perhaps they are just willing to lose that sense of isolation to bring their "threads" more obviously together.

  • March 4, 2003, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I defer to your judgement, O Sooty One

    by mortsleam

    No, there is nothing more than a cursory account of the Dol Guldur thingy. I think I must have just somehow stuck on the phrase "drove him out" and expanded on it until it became some epic struggle between the 'Necromancer' and the combined forces of the White Council. I imagine this is the same kind of extrapolation that led PJ to believe the Rohan Refugees were attacked by Wargs, forcing Aragorn to do some extra-curricular cliff diving. Which means I should just stick to the Sci-Marillion Script. Right now, Turin Doommaster, Galactic Rebel Outlaw, stands before the Cybernetically enhanced Draconian Darth Glaurung. GLAURUNG: "Obi-Beleg Stronglazer never told you what happened to your sister, did he?"

  • March 4, 2003, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Concerning trolls, wargs and pixels...

    by Orson W

    As for the Wargs not looking "real" - well, funnily enough I can forgive such lapses in the FX. Yes, the wargs have that blurry/watery motion that bad CGI has. But I totally accept that WETA ploughed all their resources into making a superb CG Gollum. And if they had to leave all other FX shots to the kids doing work experience, then that's fine by me - and some of the FX shots DO look amateurish - particularly when Aragorn sees the approaching army of orcs following his fall off the cliff: a still shot of toy soldiers would have looked more convinving. (Speaking of which - has anyone noticed that the quality of matte paintings in movies has plummeted since they started doing it on computer rather than with paintbrush + canvas? In the old days Matte paintings used to be virtually undetectable. Now you can spot their wishy-washy photoshopped flatness a mile off...). But WETA have made history with Gollum, so it's a reasonable price to pay. ***** The cave troll: yup, I know what you all mean: DoT made a very good point a while back that PJ had no business shoehorning a "homage to Harryhausen" into the middle of LOTR as this story is about honouring TOLKIEN - not HARRYHAUSEN! But then I said to myself: well, this is the price we have to pay for Peter Jackson to adapt this book in the first place - remember that his favorite movie of all time is KING KONG! So it's a given that we're going to get a stop-motion style monster whether we want it or not! So I'm prepared to let PJ have his moment of fun so long as he gets things right where it counts. He mostly did in FOTR - and ocasionally did in TTT. ***** Ah, Helm's Deep......why doesn't it work? That's the $64,000 question. Now, some parts of it DO work: namely (for me) the charge of the light brigade at the end - an unexpected moment of cinematic grandeur after all that has gone before. BUT, apart from that, HD is a shockingly missed opportunity. PJ has the right idea - to create a sense of tension through the vulnerability and hopelessness of the beseiged defenders etc. But then he completely pulls the rug out from under himself in several ways: (1) Too many tearful shots of the Rowoks; (2) Gimli's inappropriate humour. Now some of Gimli's moments are genuinely funny. But boy do they destroy the tension! (3)The complete invulnerability of Gimli, Aragorn and Legolas. Throwing themselves onto pikes from great heights? Why not go the whole way and have Hulk Hogan hit Aragorn with a chair? Just destroy the illusion that this is real, why don't ya? (4) The Uruk Hai are mincing panseys. Seriously! Despite their body-building, their armour and their ferocity, they are just not any kind of serious threat. If you blow on one he'll fall down. DoT and I, standing back to back and armed with daisies could kill at least fifty of them. (4) Lack of involvement by the fighters. There is no sense of urgency, of desperation in the faces of the defenders (with the possible exception of Aragorn). This seige SHOULD have the intensity of the opening of Saving Private Ryan. And I'm not talking about explicit gore, decapitations etc - I'm talking about the actors behaving like this battle is REAL and is HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. (6) What I like to call the MASSIVE let-down. After all the hype and the hugely impressive previews - remember that extraordinary FX woman demonstrating different fighting styles on the LOTR website? - the MASSIVE technology quite simply failed to turn up! There were some reasnably impressive group marching shots - but nothing as good as say, in Braveheart or Tim Burton's PLanet Of The Apes, movies where they just cut-and-pasted the same fifty or so extras all over the screen. And no sign of the promised armies fighting each other, making their own decisions, selecting oponents, exhibiting any kind of crowd behavior, etc etc. In the computer industry, items such as the MASSIVE software are known as "vapourware". They promise the earth but either never turn up, or when they do turn out to be damp squibs. ****** Yeah, DoT, I get the point about the map - it's a useful scene to indicate the big picture to the non-Tolkien fans. I'm just having a bit of fun with it, because it just looks so non-military.

  • March 4, 2003, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Battened down for Mardi Gras

    by daughter of time

    Yes, once again, it's gridlock in downtown San Diego.... Orson, let's just make sure the daisies have florist wire on the stems! And by the way, I AM reading Shippey and enjoying it. ***But I think you've hit on something about Helm's Deep: they're just having too much fun. After all the dialogue about hoping to live through the night, I want to see the desperation, the shock, the fatigue as it goes on and on.... I don't want absurd leaps onto pikes; I want guys stumbling because their knees are giving out. Military historian John Keegan once calculated that a man in good condition can swing a broadsword for about 15 minutes before collapsing - the length of most medieval battles. (Anyone here see "Robin and Marian"?) I don't understand why SO much time is devoted to establishing fear and hopelessness before the battle, if DURING the battle we don't see that translated into real back-to-the-wall desperation - the sense that (as was done so beautifully at Amon Hen) each movement is a life-or-death decision. ***I keep ranting and editing this back, so I will quit, or I'll have no evening left. ***Orson, I do get your point, and humor, about the map. ***If we can't get previews in March, could we get a few more photos? Please? ***Keep talking, everyone. It gets so boring at work if nobody posts.

  • March 4, 2003, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Frija and Elanor

    by daughter of time

    How did this talkback get to be so long? And so hosed? Oh, well, what did I want with an evening.... Frija, just found your post, and I completely agree with what you said about hand-held cameras: "They don't draw me closer into the picture, they make me realize I'm watching a movie. Which is the opposite effect." I couldn't watch certain critically-acclaimed television shows because the camera kept violenting shifting my focus for me.... It is not realistic. It is nauseating. As you said, in real life, your brain adjusts because YOU are telling your eyes where to focus. I like deep focus and smooth camera-work, and THEN I can forget I'm watching a movie. Horrible thought: they WON'T give us shakycam with Shelob, will they? ***Elanor, that's a tough question. Will they assume by then that there's nothing left to give away? I don't mind a montage, as long as it's an intelligent montage. There have been years when they've allotted clips for the photography and costumes (rarely) - but I forget, neither was nominated! And no acting.... (Broods a moment, over the travesty of Elijah Wood going so-far unrecognized, except by Sci Fi magazine, which split its Best Actor between him and Viggo.) They could open with Saruman and the pull-back from Isengard... and maybe end with Frodo and the Nazgul (the second long shot), because the first is so grand and terrifying, and the second so lonely and terrifying and beautiful, and it would make a nice fade-out. And it never gets included in trailers.... As for Arwen, the tomb sequence; Aragorn pushing open the doors; Gandalf galloping through the stables.... A bit of the coney scene would be nice, for some humor. How much time do they get? Thirty seconds? A minute? Time enough for dialogue clips, or just quick visuals? They usually show the most UN-impressive clips at the Oscar, or the scene you've seen in every preview. I suppose something of Helm's Deep must be there - drawn up just before the battle? If it's just one scene, though.... That's especially tough, in such an ensemble effort. But you know my preferences: hobbits forever. And the scene must contain Gollum, as their triumph of art-and-acting. If they had ten minutes, I'd say the whole schizo-Gollum through the coney scene to the oliphaunts, ending in "We've lingered here too long." It showcases Gollum, Elijah (and his wonderful reactions), Sam, the art design, the lighting (cool blues to daylight), and it's a crowd pleaser. But if they only have a minute or two.... What about the scene at the Black Gate, where Gollum is stroking/clutching Frodo's cloak and telling him about the other way? That shows off all three, CGI and acting; it's easily understood out of context AND it's riveting drama. Anyway, my bet is they go with a montage.

  • March 5, 2003, 6:42 a.m. CST

    More idle musings until ROTK....

    by Orson W

    Oooh, DoT - putting a wire in your daisies, that's nasty! At least give the poor Uruks a fair chance! Now that I think of it, it occurs to me that if Theoden had unleashed the cowering rowoks on the uruks, the battle would have been over very quickly. He was obviously holding back the heavy artillary as a last resort.**** Glad you're enjoying Shippey. I worked myelf up so much talking to you about it that I went and dug it up again to refresh my memory. It's fascinating how Tolkien joined the dots beween fragments of lost poems and created his imaginary-but-strangely-familiar world... ***** On a different topic, have you seen the movie Excalibur? I have it on DVD and I think it's excellent. I mention it because John Boorman originally wanted to make LOTR but Bakshi got there first. So Boorman used the pre-production work he had done to adapt the King Arthur legend instead. The movie gives us an intriguing glimpse into what his version of LOTR would have been like - very good, I'd say! Less 'realistic' - more dreamlike and symbolic. On the other hand his intention was to make ONE movie of the whole book. I have a suspicion he would still have made a good job of it, though I suspect he would have dropped Merry, Pippin, Faramir - probably the whole Rohan thing etc.

  • March 5, 2003, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Oscar clip

    by Orson W

    I think the oscar clip is obvious: Sam's teary "oscar clip" speech in Osgiliath: "I think I understand now, Mr Frodo. The folks in those stories had many chances of turning back only they didn't because they were holding onto something....that there's some GOOD in the world, Mr Frodo and it's worth fighting for." Not a dry eye in th house. Multiple oscars all around.

  • March 5, 2003, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Well that answers my question,

    by Conan_the_Humble

    you obviously DO know the story of the Ring of Barahir much better than I do, MorGoth... Now to your question. The only artifacts of the Dunedain that I can think of at the moment, are the shards of Narsil, The ring of Barahir, the Elendilmir (not sure of the exact spelling, but I mean that (Those?) Green gems...) the Palantiri and perhaps the Sceptre of Annuminas. (Again not sure of the spelling) You could also possibly be refering to the Winged Crown of Gondor, however these add up to 6 items, so I'm obviously wrong somewhere... How I'd do MorGy? Not that I need the free tickets anyway... Cheers.

  • March 5, 2003, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah and the map,

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Orson, not to belittle you, but I'm not sure topography was particularly advanced in Middle Earth at that time... Granted a better map would have been used in 'real' life, but it certainly would have been 'great.' Even in these 'modern' times a lot of maps leave a lot to be desired. I remember reading a story about British SAS troops in the Gulf War. The best maps they could come up with were 1:500 000 aerial maps, that dated back to the 1950's!!! Fine for flying an aircraft with, a "little" bit different walking around on the ground though... Cheers.

  • March 5, 2003, 3:41 p.m. CST

    They Don't Vote at the Oscar Ceremony

    by daughter of time

    So why give them Sam's speech? I'd rather remind them of the REAL brilliance in TTT. By that time, it will be too late, and the ones that didn't vote for it can kick themselves as they watch Frodo and the Nazgul. ***Orson, I'm afraid you lose me with "Excalibur," and one of the things I MOST disliked about it was the silly, shiny armour (worn over no padding - ouch!). Most of my dislike, though, is based on purely personal tastes and interests, which I won't inflict on this board, and which have nothing to do with its objective quality. I do recall thinking was Helen Mirren was wonderful as Morgan. ***Re: "The Hobbit" Discussions of whether or not they will do a movie seem to be agree it is on some kind of direct continuum with LOTR (as if it were the first of four equivalent books), whereas it is something quite different in style and characterization. (See the excellent discussion in "Master of Middle Earth," which points out that even important characters and races are barely recognizable as what they evolve into in the enormous creative leap Tolkien makes between "Hobbit" and "LOTR.") If they are going to make "The Hobbit," I would rather see an attempt to fit it out retroactively with some of the depth and substance of LOTR, rather than the reverse of sticking faithfully to "The Hobbit"'s much more rudimentary view of Middle-earth, not to mention its frequently avuncular/patronizing narrative tone.

  • March 5, 2003, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by daughter of time

    Will join you on the Hobbit trailer talkback, but first - you CAN'T leave out the Entmoot, because then you have to leave out Merry and Pippin talking about the Shire and the exceptionally beautiful reprise of the hobbit theme that underlies it, which is one of the FEW moments in TTT that made me cry. But yes, as Entmoots go, it's not very impressive, and the other ents are MUCH too distorted and "cartoony" instead of being creatures of great age and dignity - aside from being made to look clueless. ***As for Helm's Deep, I think I cut short my rant last night, but I'd like to have seen ONE fresh-faced kid be killed or at least seriously wounded, and a few more wounded lying around inside the hall, and just generally, a lot less "we're heroes; we can do anything!" I do not know why they take so much time establishing how desperate things are BEFORE the battle, only to undercut it DURING the battle. ***By the way, I've decided to make a running tally of Random Ringer Reviews (which I tend to pop in and out of during the day) to see how they feel about the new Faramir - going by what they write, not how many rings they give various categories. In the interests of fairness, I have divided the votes into categories of 1) Hate (Faramir), 2) Dislike, 3) Tolerate, 4) Like/Think he's an improvement over the book, 5) Don't Mention, or 6) Disliked All Changes (without singling out Faramir). Just thought it would be interesting.... So far, in 24 hours and out of 12 reviewers, the tallies are: 1) Three, 2) Two, 3) One, 4) Zero, 5) Four, and 6) Two. (And I have yet to see anyone who liked Aragorn's tumble over the cliff, though they like his horse.) Will keep this up for a few days, for my amusement, if no one else's. It's a long time until ROTK.

  • Glad you agree with me, Frija - mind you, I'm not saying Helm's Deep is a total loss. My favorite bit is when Theoden leads the charge out onto the rampart, knocking the orcs like ninepins. From this point onwards it suddenly becomes quite spectacular. Pity that this is the very end of the battle! Maybe they'll make it more intense in the SEV...**** "Rowoks" is a term used by DoT and myself to describe the sackcloth-wearing villagers who cower in terror. Initially I was comparing them to the Ewoks in Return Of The Jedi in terms of their sillyness and how they lower the tone of the proceedings. **** DoT, we part company at last! Well, I can understand how you feel about Excalibur. It's an offbeat movie that has grown on me. I think that Boorman treads a very fine line between the sublime and the ridiculous - and alternately puts a foot in both camps. But there are some truly uplifting scenes and some gorgeous landscapes (filmed around Ireland don't you know - with almost no special effects.). There is a stunning bit towards the end where one of the knights on the fruitless quest for the grail falls into a river and is dragged down by his armour. He pulls it off underwater, piece by piece, accompanied by terrific music. The scene plays like a cross between Isildur's death, Frodo falling into the Dead Marshes and the scene where Theoden puts on his armour (but in reverse). Really symbolic and moving. There is also some strong evidence of cross-over with LOTR - many of Merlin's lines are extremely similar to those spoken by PJ's Gandalf and Elrond; and at one point Arthur becomes like the picture of PJ's Theoden when we first see him - until the aforementioned knight returns with the Holy Grail to break the spell.....Now, who is influencing whom? ***** Intrigued by the idea of The Hobbit and whether they would keep the more familiar 'childish' tone. I mean, if they don't they're betraying the spirit of the book, right? There is the potential to do something a little more comical, and eccentric. And that could be perfect for some-one like Terry Gilliam. And I'm sure he'd like to do it - he is a loud admirer of PJ's FOTR.

  • March 9, 2003, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Well that explains it.

    by RowanM

    For the past while I've been scouring this site for any info on ROTK Trailer. I even went to see TTT for a 3rd time incase I missed it. Now I have an explaination, and to be honest, I'm not bothered at all. Take your time Peter. Having read a lot of the posts, a few things have been brought to light in my mind that were lurking somewhere in the depths for a while. The Entmoot for example. Treebeard was impressive but the rest looked like rabbits caught in head lights. I thought that Helms Deep ended abruptly once Gandalf showed. Before you say it, I'm sure this will be remedied in the EE.While Peter is at it, can he look into fixing that Legolas jumping on horse scene.It defies physics.Walking on snow does too but he is an Elf after all. The Isengard theme is by far one of the best pieces of theme music I have ever heard.That scene where the Wargs attack had me bopping my head back and forth like an idiot. It carries a lot of menace. DADADA DUM DUM DUM. Way Cool. I asssume we wont be hearing this anymore now that Saruman's army has been defeated. Pity. Like Peter said about the ROTK trailer. Can you at least give us a few pictures while your working on it. Something to help our cravings. We needs a fix we does. Cheers.

  • Sept. 10, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Where did you contact PJ?

    by OB Crazy

    Harry where did you contact Peter Jackson? I am writing a business letter for school, and I need his address. Please help!