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Hey folks, Harry here... Sometimes on a film it never rains, but it pours... Haven't had much on UNDERWORLD then one morning I wake up with nearly 20 images from two different sources and plot synopsis and all of a sudden, I'm really really interested in the film. The more colorful images below are striking... and I like that there seems to be practical werewolves instead of digital. Well, here ya go... Thanks goes out to Mr Atomic (ya know who you are)!
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Now I've popped wood
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Why am I suddenly feeling the need to leave my office, don a long black leather coat, and start wandering the streets? I don't know how the actual story is going to come across (I have hope, though)but I'll bet the art direction and the sets in general will kick ass.
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movie may be great though... who knows?
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Like the handle. What type are you?
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...I say, welcome back Hammer Films. We seem to be enjoying a second coming of horror films that take themselves seriously and aim for a gothic feel and look. I welcome them, good or bad, but I'd prefer them to be aimed at adults rather than teenagers. Done wrong, vampire movies can be so stupid, but in the right hands, (insert Hammer Studios logo here,) they can be a lot of fun. I'll be in the theater for Underworld, opening day. WooHoo!
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We need a return to the vampires of folk legends, terrifying supernatural monsters, not leather-clad superheroes with fangs. sk
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you know what the deal is with crapo actors like Jean-Claude Van Damme and Steven Seagal? Their big fuckin'ego, they only want the leading role never a small role in a movie. They don't care if they appear in crap-movies, they just kick on being first-listed and popping their big floating heads on videocovers.
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Someone out there thought I was going to say 'make my day', didn't they? Rev - lets roll out that traditional horror film where vampires are neither pretty to look at nor sophisticated. I'd like to see that, too, but in the meantime - I don't see anything wrong with leather and decadence. Hey - its sells, man.
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Looks like they're going with effects a la the mighty DOGSOLDIERS, which could be cool. What with news of a sequel for that in the offing and "Werewolf by Night" picking up an interesting writer, the future for werewolves looks bright (in a fullmoon, not a daylight, sorta way... erm, I'm rambling).
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What's 'Werewolves by Night'? Whatever it is, I'm interested...
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Doesn't zat remind anyone ov Blade? Zis whole "his blood holds the key to us becomink godlike" fing? I like the look of it but I am not conwinced that it's goink be vorth vatchink. Und Kate Beckinsdale might vork as a wampire, but Scott iss too pretty und boyish to be a verevolf I fink, or to proyect any darkness und menace at oll. Transslyvaaania out.
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Hence the name of the movie?
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The director Len Wiseman did our bands video. Top talented guy.
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Anyone able to confirm this?
I know they did a TV series based on the Whitewolf universe called Kindred: The Embraced, but a action film with the budget it can bring would be frickin' cool! -
It's another one of Marvel's lesser known comics (in a nutshell - A man coming to terms with the lycanthropy he inherits from his father - only darker than teenwolf), and with the current scramble to cach-in on the Company's hotstreak it's been picked up by Dimension Films and given to Robert Nelson Jacobs to pen, apparently. If it's anywhere near as good as the previous attempts at gothic, obscure Marvel characters i.e. Blade, it could be worth keeping an eye on.
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I'm a little tired of the leather-clad, depeche mode reject variety of vamps who convey typical European arrogance in their portrayals and do more to annoy than scare with their dumbed-down poetic bullshit and amibguous sexual posturing. While many are good actors, their overbearing "fear me for I am this and that" rhetoic only succeeds to illuminate their true insecurity, which reminds me of of the boneheaded false sense of security that many of us of African descent find in horse and yak hair, and whatever overpriced, flavor of the month clothing designer they feel that it's necessary to neglect their children, living conditions, and job security for. Perhaps my point would be more clear if I had some kind of Tommy Hilfiger-esque version to reference from. Can you imagine?
In my mind a centuries old being would probably be closer to a blatant sociopath, like Henry Lee Lucas or Dahmer, an unassuming loner who'd kill without a moments hesitation or a tired monologue, but then that wouldn't inspire bullshit lamenting put to music by angst-ridden pussys looking to enlighten us to their pain.
How about tapping into legends from the vast arena of cultures whose roots date back further than western civilization than rehashing the same shit, changing the rules around then claiming that it's a new and refreshing take on an old myth. Many, if not most cultures are replete with stories of otherwise normal people who sprout fangs, or have the ability to shape-shift.
How about giving people like Carl Franklin, or Antoine Fuqua a turn at the genre.
Oh yeah, and someone please tell Jet Li to stick to what he does best, which are period movies. The only thing that Cradle 2 the Grave will accomplish is making someone as gifted as Mark Dacoscos (who is probably a stronger real fighter than Jet) look like a fool with all that unnecessary wire-work and flashy outfits.
And stop hiring Yuen Woo Ping. Philip (Lizard) Kwok did a much better job at conveying real power with his turn as choreographer in The Brotherhood of the Wolf. Then, of course there's Liu Chia Liang who is by far a better choreographer than Woo Ping and more grounded in realism. Check out the last 20 mins. of My Young Auntie to see what I mean.
As a real martial artist for the past 11 years I think the moviegoing public is being mislead by all this rapid-fire editing and wires.
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than wearing lace collars and fuckin' capes. There's some respectable talent in this flick, so I've got hope. Honestly, I'm a monster movie whore - I'll watch anything, in the hopes that there will be a nugget of wonder in there somewhere.
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I, for one, was not aware that all movies were supposed to teach us anything about reality. Its nice when some movies portray things as they are in real life, rather it be martial arts, history, a biography - whatever. But movies are a type of an art form, and this is just one of many possible ideas of what these supernatural creatures are (which obviously are NOT real, so I don't know how you can compare these vampires to some other more 'real' version of vampires). If ideas and perspective of things always stopped evolving when they were thought of the first time, we wouldn't get anywhere, would we? Something that's said in these talkbacks over and over - just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't a valid form of expression. Geez. Lighten up. Its just a movie.
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You're right the decadence is tiresome, unfortunately the western world seems to continually churn out the kind of malcontent, black makeup wearing youths to continually digest it. I could also defend it by go into the philosophy that hundreds of year old vampires have an old fashioned decadence because they ARE hundreds of years old, because that was how their lives could be lived when they became vampires so why should they (the eternal) change? and that "new" vampires portrayed in films (such as Deacon Frost in Blade) are exactly the kind of sociopath you're after, because their informative society is different (i.e. the same as ours). But all this seems kinda geek-overload. Personally I think you should just watch "Wendigo", that might make you happy.
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Feb 26, 2003 11:25:12 AM CST
If ideas and perspective of things always stopped evolving when
by thefuckingdevil
They have, which was my point. Not that they are real, just that it's about time for another interpretation, and since movies do attempt to tap into what scares, titilates, repulses us in order to provide some sort of escapist thrill I'd say exploring the habits of real monsters is not a bad idea for a change.
If just about every vampire (And I do like the genre) movie represented a segment of the population (in their actions, speech, history etc.) that you didn't belong to I think you'd be a little sick of it as well.
At the very least they could hire more formidable or unstable looking actors than these pretentious looking fucks. I think it would make for a more memorable perfomance, like Willem Dafoe in Shadow of the Vampire, or even Chris Sarandon who conveyed a laid-back sort of danger perfectly in Fright Night.
What pisses me off about the fake martial arts shit is that we are usually inundated with idiots coming to our school soon after the release of one of these terrible flicks looking to do flips and run horizontally across the chests of a circle of thugs. And as a Kung Fu practioner I find that I have to constantly prove myself when sparring with people from other styles because of the watered down idea they have of Kung Fu based on these images. Then you have the people who take a few classes and get their asses kicked or worse in the street because they overestimated their abilities and tried to do some flashy bullshit instead of being quick and efficient. Not to say that there aren't any good examples out there. There are many. And there's nothing wrong with a little flash as well. Unfortunately it's the utter crap that get's all the exposure. Kinda like Hip-Hop.
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I think I liked Dog Soldiers more than you, but you make a valid point. I thought the dialogue was well written, but I also like to see a horror movie that is more horror and less comedy. That was more horror-action than straight horror. THis looks like Blade meets The Howling meets West Side Story. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. But I think you'll be getting your hopes up if you're expecting a straight up horror movie, which is something that is in decline these days. I think that this, like Dog Soldiers, could be a good movie, as long as, like Dog soldiers also, you accept it for what it is, and not compare it to a preconceived notion.
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what a cute li'l doggie! so far, he seems to be the least GAY thing in this picture. 'course, i haven't seen him sniffing another man's crotch yet.
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Feb 26, 2003 2:40:24 PM CST
If just about every vampire (And I do like the genre) movie repr
by 10th_muse
While I find it a bit presumptuous of you to assume that you have any idea of what I do or do not belong to, I guess I see your point. It would be interesting to take it further. Always. As for the idiots on the streets and in the martial arts classes? There will always be idiots, you can't do much about that. Idiots influenced by stupid movies are the worst variety - I'll give you that.
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Feb 26, 2003 2:59:05 PM CST
What's missing is a Frankenstein monster, a mummy, and Abbot and
by trav mcgee
HUFF, HUFF, HUFF "Hey, Abbot, it's dark and creepy enough in here, stop breat'n' down my neck." [from the next room] "What'd ya say, Lou? Shaddap and keep lookin for clues!" HUFF, HUFF, HUFF "But if y--... and then who--... and the... with the... wha... who... Ooooohhh, boy." [turns around, next exhale blows tie up in face] "WHOOAA! HEEEEEYYY ABBBO-O-O-O-O-OT!!!"
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Feb 26, 2003 3:41:00 PM CST
While I find it a bit presumptuous of you to assume that you hav
by thefuckingdevil
Yeah, I guess you got me there Muse. It is nice for a change to disagree with someone on this site and not have it turn into a juvenile name-calling tirade.
The pics from this movie remind me of that Mario Van Peebles crap-fest, Full Eclipse which started off as a good idea then quickly went south. I think Bruce Payne studied under the same overacting coach as Armand "I am AK-TING!" Asanti.
By the way, I thought Dog Soldiers was ok. Sure the werewolves looked a little like extras from CATS, but I could overlook it. At least they didn't look like a bear(Silver Bullet) or a giant newborn hampster(Ginger Snaps)or a puppy (Dee Wallace Stone at the end of the Howling, although the rest of the movie got it right)or a complete, furry mess (Full Eclipse)
With all the progress people like Rick Baker have made with Apes and such why can't someone get these things right anymore?
Although the flick was bad (I forget the name) the werewolf in that slurmaster, Michael Pare's film almost got it...almost. Too bad it suffered from the same affliction that made Rawhead Rex seem to face the sky all the time.
The werewolf in the above pic looks a little suspect if you ask me.
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Looks like Kate finally got her teeth fixed, good for her. The last thing the world needs is a Matrix wannabe Vampire film. -
..is a movie I haven't seen, but I've been berated by a couple of my friends for it ever since I started saying I wanted to see a GOOD movie about werewolves. Giant newborn hamsters, you say? Heheh. I'll have to repeat that.
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I actually thought Ginger Snaps was fairly decent right up until they started slathering on the heavy prosthetics. And in addition to looking like a hamster it (the werewolf) had that perpetual snarl that a lot of the bad ones tend to be stricken with.
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Wasn't the entire American Werewolf in Paris movie a complete joke? I admit - it gave me just a tiny thrill, but it was nothing like what happened in London....
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... they all have the ability to TRAVEL THROUGH TIME! And they should all be seeking some sort of jewels which, when put together, will create a DOOMSDAY DEVICE!!
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I agree. Even the star annoyed me.
I still think the Howling and American Werewolf in London showcased the best examples of screen werewolves to date. The old-school Monster Squad werewolf wasn't bad though. I know I'm leaving out a few good examples, but that's what happens when you've taken too many punches/kicks to the head.
And speaking of Jonathan (underrated) Gries, his Fright Night 2 werewolf was terrible but then again so was the rest of the flick. Julie Carmen has about as much charisma as a floater.
I guess Near Dark was sort of a good example of semi-realistic vamps. That kid/old man was a bit annoying though.
This is a little off the subject, but has anyone out there ever seen an old, black and white flick from called Lady in a Cage? Surprisingly brutal in tone for a flick made in 64' -
Feb 26, 2003 7:48:57 PM CST
I don't know, that one set pic looks more brothel than aristocra
by 007-11
I'm of course drawing on my extensive studies in vampire dwellings and brothels to come to this conclusion.
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I WANT TO HEAR MORE ON HER OTHER VAMPYR MOVIE!
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"I actually thought Ginger Snaps was fairly decent right up until they started slathering on the heavy prosthetics"
No question GS was a hot ticket right up until the last 10 minutes or so, when it lapsed into a conventional werewolf movie. Gotta give it lotsa credit for trying, though. Nothing beats the werewolves in LONDON and HOWLING. -
"you know what the deal is with crapo actors like Jean-Claude Van Damme and Steven Seagal? Their big fuckin'ego, they only want the leading role never a small role in a movie."
To give fat boy credit, he did what amounted to a cameo in EXECUTIVE DECISION. His abrupt and tragic death 10 minutes in made this one of his most memorable roles. -
Wicked, can't wait!
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Feb 27, 2003 1:51:11 AM CST
Oooh, even more pretty pictures promising me death and mayhem!
by noriko takaya
I will *so* see this. And yes, I will be head-to-toe in solid black. "I love the dead before they rise/no farewells, no goodbyes/I never even knew your now-rotting face/While friends and lovers mourn your silly grave...I have other uses for you darling/*I* love the dead/yes *I* love the dead/sooo much!" Toppu o Alice Cooper!
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LONG WIDE SHOTS. No quick cuts. No grunting faces. No *whiff* *whaff* fight sounds as the actors flail their arms around. Show us the first duel from Seven Samurai. Show us people taking a silent beating. From a distance. Get the actors to actually *ACT* the damn thing out, and this movie will rock. DareDevil (hate to mention it, but must) could have been decent (not great, but decent) without the lame-ass over the top fight-scenes and *thunk* noises whenever anyone hit someone in the stomach. This doesn't need to channel the Crow, the 'depeche mode rejects' are fine (I was listening to DM when I read that, too), the Deacon Frosts and 'Viktor's on-screen are all fine -- just remove the wire-fu, keep the camera well back, and show us werewolves and vamps fighting in the streets (film-makers: we don't need to count the hairs in their nostrils). It's been *WAY* too long since we got a good 'black, white, and red all over' movie (Brotherhood exempted, and Blade 1 was... Ok.) Oh, and durhay, I cracked up when I read your post.
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Vampires and werewolves together and apart, seen in deep, clear detail and in stadium-sized LARPs, shadowed throughout by the influence of wire-fu gun-kata.
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this sounds more akin to the "anita blake vampire hunter" books than anything else...always thought anita's world would translate well to the screen, but she has too much freaky sex for the today's movie audiences
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These people are obviously just trying to cash in on the current trend of flicks that have come out recently. I'm guessing that if I watch Dog Soldiers, Blade 2 , X-men and the Matrix back to back--that's basically the same experience I'll get with this movie. But seriously, is it too late to throw in Dennis Miller into the story and have him reprise his role from Bordello of Blood? How about James Woods from John Carpenter's Vampires? Now those guys would make this shit interesting.
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I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE OF YOU MENTION THE BEST VAMPIRE MOVIE EVER. . .RAVENOUS!!! GOD I LOVE THAT MOVIE!
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This is such an obvious rip-off of Rein-Hagen's popular role-playing game "Vampire: The Masquerade". I see nothing wrong with making a movie based on it (and Kate Beckinsale looks hot in leather), but to do this movie without owning the rights to the game seems to invite a lawsuit. I mean, it is an obvious rip-off. Why didn't the production company just buy the movie rights to the game? It's obviously theft of Rein-Hagen's work otherwise.
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