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Another Key Clue About That BUFFY Spinoff!!

Published at: Feb. 25, 2003, 8:56 a.m. CST by staff

I am – Hercules!!

More evidence emerges this morning that Eliza Dushku will not play Faith the vampire slayer (at least on a regular basis) in any “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” spinoff.

Variety reports that Dushku will play the lead in an another potential series, an untitled Fox network pilot from Jon Feldman (“American Dreams”) and Rob Cohen (“The Fast and the Furious”) about a grad student who discovers she can save lives by altering the course of events.

Though the pilot may not necessarily go to series, Dushku’s commitment to it likely does prohibit the “Buffy” braintrust from building a series around Buffy’s darker counterpart.

Dushku has signed to guest star this year in three upcoming episodes of “Buffy” spinoff “Angel” and the final five episodes of “Buffy” itself. “Buffy” now looks to end its seven-season run on May 20.

A few reports, including one from Britain’s BBC News picked up an erroneous item in the London Express indicating that a Faith series was already a done deal.

So what will producers pitch as a new Buffiverse series? Something, likely, with potential.

I am – Hercules!!





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  • Feb. 25, 2003, 9:02 a.m. CST

    If not Faith...

    by jj5150

    Then what?

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Then nothing

    by Josef K

    All good things must come to an end...

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Oh good - its on Fox !

    by Aud

    So it most likely won't last long.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Damn it, not again!!!

    by T. Earl Grey

    [sarcasm] This is exactly the same thing that happened with Scott Bakula and "Enterprise." Remember when he signed on to replace Burt Reynolds on CBS' "Late Bloomers" and totally left the Trek people hanging? If only hadn't signed to do that pilot! He would have been Capt. Archer rather than Tony Danza. [/sarcasm] *** Folks, this is just a _pilot_ she's signed on for. Pilots get made all the time and aren't picked up. The Faith spin-off, while not a done deal by any stretch of the imagination, isn't harmed by this. It's still an idea that in play.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 10:50 a.m. CST

    What's next for ME

    by lord_lc

    Heres a clue for them. Make a show about the Vampire...not the slayer

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Hmmm..

    by HoldenCaulfield

    You say they should make a show about a vampire? Hmmm. That sounds like a great idea. Perhaps a show about a vampire with a soul! Wait, where have I seen that before???

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Something, likely, with potential.

    by KingSpike

    I guess that is the clue. One of the potential Slayers will get their own series.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I've figured it out . . .

    by Hamlet3145

    They are going to make a pre-quel a la Enterprise. A 19th century slayer. Yep. Thaz it.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Please, oh, please ...

    by MertWarson

    Don't let it be Kennedy the Vampire Slayer! Everytime I see that annoying little bitch I just want to kick the set in!

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Ridiculous conspiracy theory

    by coop

    Is it a coincidence that Eliza just happens to be doing a pilot for a tv show for Fox now? She could have had a show for years but now when Joss wants her she signs on for a pilot that has no potential. Hmmmm. I still say it smells of cover story. Back, and to the left...back, and to the left!!

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Please Not a Freakin' Kennedy Series!

    by Gorf

    Kennedy is annoying, and the thought of her getting her own show is downright scary. Actually, a show about any of the boring potentials should probably be avoided. Just carry on with Angel and let the new Buffy spinoff die. Or how about a show about Spike?

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 12:13 p.m. CST

    No... not a potential.

    by viola123

    I didn't want a Faith series, but I don't want a potential one either. No way. Ick. I don't like any of them, and the only chance they had for me to like a potential was if they made Dawn one. But it's good that they didn't 'cause she's much better as the researcher. She's always been into that anyway so it makes sense. But all the potentials are annoying and I really can't see anyone wanting to follow one of these girls' instructions. Please. I still can't get over Kennedy telling Spike in the last episode that they were "trained," implying that they'd be better off going after the demon than Spike? Oh my gosh, hold me back! So if this is "Buffy"'s last season, then that's good -- perhaps we should just let it stay that way instead of creating a new series that will no doubt be connected to "Buffy" and maybe mess with what it is. I love it and it should stay true. But if it's about Spike, then I will watch, but if about a potential -- no!! Can you imagine any of them featured in the opening credits? Like think about Buffy in hers and Angel in his. Just sets the tone for the whole show. Now imagine any one of the potentials. Noo! None of them have the "leader" thing going on. None. But about Eliza's show - that's good for her. It sounds like it's inspired by "Buffy" -- her saving the world and all -- but she's not Faith. What's going to happen to Faith? I hope she doesn't steal any of the light from the main characters. That's just wrong...

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Sunnydale

    by awhitenoisemaker

    Why not just let Buffy go, the character not the series. Let her go back with Giles to refound the Watchers and train potentials while the others remain in Sunnydale. Just rename the show "Sunnydale," it's always been on the border of being an ensemble show anyway.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Buffy Spinoff

    by Cory849

    I am excited at the thought of any Buffy-verse spinoff. It's the first mythology since Star Trek to have the flexibility to keep making new series forever. In fact it is more flexible. However, I hope there is no Faith the Vampire Slayer. I hope they do a new show with a 100% or almost 100% new cast set in a new location and some new perspective. Doing Faith the VS is not really different enough from the original series to allow the writers a lot of new creativity. while she's apparently a really popular character for some reason, I've always hated her. Really don't get the appeal - especially when so much scope for the brand new exists in the Buffy-verse. If they do spin off existing characters I think the most viable is Alexis Denisoff. Wesley rocks. I say take him on the road. (I have a soft spot for Willow too. and here they are married in real life) The other series that could work with tweaking is The Initiative. In either case it would be great if they took the series on the road. The protagonist going to trouble spots rather than waiting at the Hellmouth. My fave would be Wesley flying from place to place killing things. woohoo. I'd like a Willow spin Off but can't quite figure out how to make it work. She's either too powerful or not powerful enough (The Silver Slayer? witching it through the cosmos with Kennedy sitting behind her on the board?) Still her kicking magic ass would be awesome. I love Dark Willow. I'd just like her to be kinda Dark Willow Lite. Anyway, these are my random, ill formed lunch time thoughts on this. Now I shall go back to trying to figure out what the @%@! is up with Cordelia. (Don't tell me. Im avoiding the Spoilers)

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 1:05 p.m. CST

    They'd Better back up the fucking dumptruck of $$ 4 Elisa then.

    by BannthisUcommies

    I always though

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 1:30 p.m. CST

    My problem with this

    by JackBristow

    The words of "still in discussions" are still being used regarding a Faith spinoff, so I din't think this ends anything. And as someone else said, pilots are made all the time. Then they go through a lot of testing and prodding, and things get changed. Heck, Willow was a different actress in the unaired Buffy pilot. And if 20th Century Fox gets a choice between a new show that might not keep viewers, and a Faith spinoff that is GOING to have a following, I think they'd choose the spinoff.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 1:40 p.m. CST

    I think Eliza should do a spinoff of Bring It On called Bikini C

    by Lord Shatner

    Will Ferrell could do a cameo as a nudist customer

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Hamlet has an interesting idea

    by ArchDiver

    A prequel would be a fresh avenue to explore, but budget considerations may make it very difficult to pull off. As to the ED pilot deal, I'll wait and see. A Faith spinoff is still tops on my list. Flawed heroes and redemptive arcs are bread and butter for ME, and Faith has a lot of story to cover in this area. AD out

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Buffy 2: Electric Boogaloo!!!!

    by BRTick

    I'll just keep reading the comic with the old scooby gang thanks! maybe i'll get to do that with firefly soon too? http://darkhorse.com/community/boards/topic.tpl?_messageID=406903538092365

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 2:43 p.m. CST

    spinoffs

    by paulrichard

    If there going to do a spinoff why not something completely different like Riley and the military fighting demons? Did everybody hate those characters? The potentials are annoying, and we already have a show with a vampire with a soul.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Why SHOULD Eliza do the spinoff?

    by actionbrown

    Honestly...doing a spinoff of one of the lowest rated shows on television, that even its die hard fans acknowledge is past its prime, on the least-watched network with the most narrow audience demographic base that some cities dont even carry, playing a character that shes already played on and off for the past 4 years...this is hardly the dream of most up and coming actresses. at least on the new show, she has an opportunity to work with new creative people- including Phillip Noyce, she can potentially widen her fan base on a network that can pull in large audiences, and she can prove her viability by carrying her own franchise without interference from the shadow of her predecessor, Sarah Michelle Gellar. Realistically, her career means more to her probably than maintaining the history of a show that refused to offer her a regular paycheck.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Okay, I know you talkbackers aren't STUPID

    by The Alienist

    but dudes! You're acting as if Joss, Eliza, anyone at ME wanted it there would be a definite Buffy spinoff. Whether it be Faith, Kennedy, Dawn TVS, or even The Willow Show--the franchise costs way to much and is not profitable. Joss might want Eliza but that doesn't mean UPN does. Eliza is doing a pilot. She's a working actress whose movie career did not turn out as she hoped (presumably). She is doing something that might actually go to series. Joss is an auteur of TV's highest grade, but he doesn't have the hit cred that Steve Botchko or David Kelly have. Chris Carter practically saved Fox and he can't get his pitches even to pilot. Neither UPN or the WB care about the Buffyverse. Our only hope is if one of the major nets decide to hip up thier lineup and take a chance on a Joss/VS show. Which is highly unlikely. I know this is a fantasy world, but guys. You live in the real world.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I know you talkbackers aren't STUPID

    by The Alienist

    but dudes! You're acting as if Joss, Eliza, anyone at ME wanted it there would be a definite Buffy spinoff. Whether it be Faith, Kennedy, Dawn TVS, or even The Willow Show--the franchise costs way to much and is not profitable. Joss might want Eliza but that doesn't mean UPN does. Eliza is doing a pilot. She's a working actress whose movie career did not turn out as she hoped (presumably). She is doing something that might actually go to series. Joss is an auteur of TV's highest grade, but he doesn't have the hit cred that Steve Botchko or David Kelly have. Chris Carter practically saved Fox and he can't get his pitches even to pilot. Neither UPN or the WB care about the Buffyverse. Our only hope is if one of the major nets decide to hip up their lineup and take a chance on a Joss/VS show. Which is highly unlikely. I know this is a fantasy world, but guys. You live in the real world.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I would watch...

    by Big Papa

    ...a show about Faith, but I would prefer if they started over with something completely different like Fray (as cool as Faith is, I fear the series would be too much like Angel...all about redemption and all; and as cool as Spike is, a show about him, too, would be too much like Angel...a vampire with a soul fighting evil). The only problem with doing Fray is, someone has to first get rid of all the vampires!! It's NOT going to happen at the end of Buffy S7, because then Angel would have to end, too. I wouldn't want them to do Fray until they've finished with the story of the Slayer who got rid of all the demons (my theory is that this will come at the end of the last season of Angel...and that's how he will turn human again).

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I would watch...

    by Big Papa

    ...a show about Faith, but I would prefer if they started over with something completely different like Fray (as cool as Faith is, I fear the series would be too much like Angel...all about redemption and all; and as cool as Spike is, a show about him, too, would be too much like Angel...a vampire with a soul fighting evil). The only problem with doing Fray is, someone has to first get rid of all the vampires!! It's NOT going to happen at the end of Buffy S7, because then Angel would have to end, too. I wouldn't want them to do Fray until they've finished with the story of the Slayer who got rid of all the demons (my theory is that this will come at the end of the last season of Angel...and that's how he will turn human again).

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    This is profoundly disappointing...

    by robogeek.com

    I, like so many other Buffy fans, have been wishing and hoping for a "Faith" spin-off since season 3. It's just so damn obvious (more so than an "Angel" spin-off ever was). And after being teased with the very real possibility that we would at long last be rewarded for our patience, this hurts. At least we're getting eight "virtual" episodes of "Faith" in the coming weeks (the next three of "Angel" and the final five of "Buffy"), which is some consolation... and yet I suspect that will only make our collective disappointment all the more painful. "Faith" could've taken the Buffy-verse to a whole new level of dramatic intensity, and seriously raised the stakes (pun semi-intended). But I suspect Fox/UPN preferred to regress to teen-ville demographics, and Dushku wanted to spread her wings on the former's larger network with some name creative talent... so I guess (per Herc's headline clue) that we'll be getting a "Dawn" spin-off instead. I'll give it a shot, and wish Michelle and ME the best (thank God they aren't doing a "Kennedy" show or something similarly stupid; none of the potentials have any star power, and she's particularly annoying). But over the next eight weeks I'll be clued to my tube, transfixed by What Might Have Been. (Which is more than we were ever allowed to see of Tim McCanlies' "Bruce Wayne" and Tom DeSanto's "Battlestar Galactica".)

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 4:42 p.m. CST

    T. Earl Grey

    by narky

    i actually had to WATCH that "Late Bloomers" crap at a test screening! oh man it was so horrible, scott bakula with a mustache. all you star trek fans should thank me for writing horrible things in the survey, so you can have your Captain Archer.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I don't know

    by Bryan

    I thought about them doing FRAY, but that would mean they'd have to lose the whole cast. I think Buffy fans would keep watching a show with Willow and Xander and the others, but a lot of people wouldn't be as interested in an all new cast in the future (plus the cost of the show would probably go up considerably). If they were to substitute one of the potentials or Faith for Buffy it would be a problem too because it would just seem like a lesser Buffy, a substitute teacher. It would be kind of sad. The only solution for a spinoff is to change the premise somewhat. If it is indeed about the potentials, my guess is that it is about Willow, Xander, Dawn and friends training potential slayers. I think the hellmouth will be sealed off and Buffy will travel the world tracking the monsters since they no longer congregate as much in Sunnydale.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Well if it's not about Spike or Faith, why bother?

    by Drath

    Spike and Faith are the only two characters, other than Giles of course, who are strong enough to carry on their own adventures and not lose too many points with the average viewer for being spin offs. Both characters are big hits with the fans, have a strong presence on the screen, and bring enough baggage to fit the needs of a weekly series. Willow may be a fun character, but I don't see her carrying her own show. Dawn and Xander even less so. We already know Emma Caulfield isn't doing Anya anymore. And none of the potential slayers are going to work. I don't know what happened to Ripper, or Watcher, or whatever the Giles show was going to be, but it's apparently no longer happening. Seriously, Spike and Faith were my choices for scoring a cool new post-Buffy series. Alone either one could have ruled the planet, together they'd have been the ultimate follow up to the pairing of Angel and Buffy. But obviously something that good is never ever ever going to happen. And I should comfort myself with the fact that even if such a series were attempted, there's no guaranteeing it would have lived up to its potential. Angel certainly hasn't.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 6:27 p.m. CST

    oh lord

    by cooper2000

    the show sounds horrendous. Is this Dawsons creek meets Final Destination? Anything that Rob Cohen has been involved with the last 5 years has stunk. He going to get Paul Walker for a guest appearance??? Ugggh. I am really against a spinoff. End a series when the cast dont want to do it anymore. Case in point X-files and even a non genre show like Melrose Place. If people start leaving and its a mere shadow of what it used to be and its being carried on just for money purposes, then go out on Top. Are you listneing Joss????

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Willow Covens vs. Kennedy Potentials vs. Gov't Reilly Clones!

    by SkiffyPup

    Other than a FtVS, and the aforementioned prequel... This is the only other idea I got.*** Then, they make it into a Nintendo game for 3 players... whichever team defeats the most bigbads wins. LOLOLOL ick. I want FAITH! The pilot sounds like that show where the guy gets tomorrow's paper. Been there... seen that.**** Must be making it a grad student to get the fastfood/junkfood comercials! Only sector of the economy doing well.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 8:23 p.m. CST

    F Dushku

    by poopdusk

    Dushku is a talentless, money-grubbing attention whore. Just becuase she's all randomly hot in Boffy you b0ners get all excited at the ideer of an hour-long Faith boobfest. STFU U losers, Dooshku makes far better $$$$ not showing her nipples in her crappy movies. Okay, JAY AND SILENT BOB may be an exception. IF FAITH WAS IN FIREFLY ITD STILL BE ON FRIDAY NIGHTS! WHAT A TIME SLOT! JOSS U SUCK

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    THE WATCHER SERIES

    by MDBOMBERX

    Does anyone remember The Watcher series Whedon was developing for the BBC staring Anthony Stewart Head? This series never took off so that is still another option to explore. To be honest though, you guys need to let this show go as well as any other possible spinoffs that come our way. Why? Because they will never be as good as how you remember Buffy being. And these message boards will be filled with people saying how much this new show sucks compared to Buffy.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 9:03 p.m. CST

    silveragent

    by coop

    Huh? what? could you clarify a bit? That made absolutely no sense. --- "She goes from being the commanding hero on AtS to being basically set up as Spike's sultry girlfriend on BtVS".--- Who Faith? No she didn't. What the hell are you talking about?

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Possible Spinoff

    by Stellar1

    I've thought for a long time that there should be a Riley spin-off. While I didn't care for him so much in the original Riley arc. I think when he came back with his wife it opened up an opportunity for the Slayerverse to go world-wide. The adventures of Riley and his wife and a small band of commandos traveling the world. Landing at a moments notice where-ever Evil rears its ugly face. AGENTS:FINN - DEMON HUNTERS. Stellarion The Future is Fixed...The Past, Always Changing.

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Alter the course of events, huh?

    by Johnny Dagger

    So, she's going to save some lives by "altering the course of events"? I think I liked the show better when it was called "Quantum Leap". And later when it was called "Dead Zone: The Series".

  • Feb. 25, 2003, 10:46 p.m. CST

    For those who think Dushku will succeed in a spinoff...

    by Darth Brooks

    Remember the Party of Five spinoff, "Time of Your Life?" Jennifer Love Hewitt? That went about four episodes before it went completely Hindenburg. Bye-bye Ms. Dushku. You're a soon-to-be has-been of the likes of Jessica Alba.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 12:22 a.m. CST

    what about an Oz spinoff?

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    it's not like greg the bunny lasted, or that seth green is playing the lead in any succesful movies. i'm sure the second banana roles are profitable for seth, but i'd like to see a series with Oz, perhaps with him meeting up with Druscilla or something. of course the show would have to be called something besides Oz, perhaps Daniel Osbourne Rock'N'Roll Werewolf!!

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 2:43 a.m. CST

    The Kennedy Connection

    by John Winger

    I agree about that Kennedy character....what an annoying biaaaatch....don't we have enough characters that are actually good and we don't need this whiny trollop taking up valuable screen time...She is annoying as the Kennedy from Blossom and the Kennedy from MTV (can we see a thread here people?) But there is no other SIT that is halfway interesting either....I agree with other posters, concentrate on saving Angel for now and maybe in a year when the Dushku pilot (Early Edition anyone?) is over, we can all start this train up anew

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Early Edition 2????

    by skitch

    What an original idea...someone who can alter the future?...this was done better with the aforementioned show as well as Quantum Leap...can these people think of nothing original?

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Spike, Willow and Xander spin offs would run out of Ideas very q

    by The Outlander

    Fray would be very cool and you wouldn't have to fill in the blanks between Buffy and Fray if it was set in the distant future, but it would be a show that would probably be too expensive. Dawn is not interesting enough to base a show on. I like the Idea of an Anya show, but I think I would be the only one watching. I would love a Faith show, it would kick ass on every level. Unlike some people I believe that Eliza is one of the best actors on Buffy and without a doubt the best actor ever to show up on Angel. In the Buffy episode where Faith changed bodies with buffy Eliza gives an absolutely brilliant performance. She was very believable as Buffy trapped in Faith's body. On the other hand SMG performance mediocre at best.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 4:32 a.m. CST

    I guess that means that Joss is trying to go for a Dawn spin-off

    by spike fan

    Sorry but I have no interest in the Dawn charachter and would not be watching that show even if Joss gets it aired which is doubtfull. For me it was Faith or nothing while this year has of BtVS has been mediocre at best.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 5:16 a.m. CST

    A Faith series would have ROCKED!

    by ChristianNYC

    Eliza Dushku was the best thing to EVER grace Buffy the Vampire Slayer! Why did Eliza D. go sign on or another series? I'm so fucking depressed that it isn't funny. Buffy this year started out very promising, but kind of got boring with the "Do I love Spike? Do I hate Spike?" storyline this season. "Buffy" totally went wrong with the pairing of Buffy and Spike. It was watching porn. I do love my porn but NOT on my favorite tv show! Sarah Michelle Gellar looks pretty tired of playing "Buffy"so maybe it was time to call it quits. Hopefully they'll keep Angel the series on at least one more season so I could get my Buffyverse fix. If there is a spinof it better NOT be Spike or Kennedy! I was liking Kennedy in the beginning but she is starting to grate me. And seeing her and Willow kiss makes my stomach do flip flops. Anyway take care guys!

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Spike is so much cooler then angel EVER was...

    by ElvenPrincess

    sorry, but it's true!! Some of you are saying that Spike is like Angel just not as cool or, something. Which isn't true. The difference between Spike and Angel is that spike was not only waaay more interesting as a vamp then angel, but waaay WAY more interesting as a souless vamp! He doesn't go around following buffy on a freaken leash giving her puppy dog eyes. Spike is funny - which angel NEVER was. Spike is sexy, which, in my opinion, angel never was. Spike is fun to watch and if he were to make his own spinoff it would rock! And if it were to have faith in it that would make it 10 times better. She has the charisma that sarah has lost lately (or maybe it's just the boring speeches...?). The reason i'm saying all this is because if Angel could get his own spinoff, then why couldn't spike?! He NEEDS his own spinoff! He isn't all goody-goody like Angel, he's bad (when it comes to demons) and again, really funny! And if they don't give him his own show and Angel does continue, then why not put him on angel? I think, not only would it boost the ratings, but it would be great for spike fas as well as angel fans. It may not seem like it now, but together they could make a kick ass team. Oh, and here are my ideas on spinoffs and why they should and shouldn't happen... Kennedy - OH GOD, do i even have to say something here?! That remark to spike made me wish soo bad that a bringer would jump in and gut her. Plus, i'm still getting over Tara being gone..at least willow and Tara had chemestry..i mean, eww! Dawn - Maybe if they devolped her charecter The Scoobies - Xander, after a good 7 years is becoming intolerable. Willow would be really cool if she kept with the magic. Bad willow kicked ass. Principal Wood or Giles - Ok, Wood needs to get his ass kicked - BADLY. And giles needs to turn back into the Giles of seasons 1-5. Seriously, sex deprivation? Anyways, thats just me.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Angel is THE Spinoff. Get Over It.

    by Mr. Smegma

    As much as I'd like to see Faith and Spike and SOME of the Scoobs again, when Buffy ends in 90 DAYS the only place we'll see em again is on Angel -- if there is an Angel. Joss has NO juice to pull another series right now, especially not one without a semi-bankable ass like Eliza's -- totally bangable, though. I also can't help but think that "Storyteller" -- a great ep BTW -- was sending us a big fat hint that the writers and cast want to move on. Don't want that one-more-time feeling do we? I think Angel has two, maaaybe three great years left in it. That would give us a helluva dense, thick Buffyverse. But first we gotta save Angel. If you're not watching Angel, your not part of solution.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 9:40 a.m. CST

    It's official....

    by Greener44

    SMG is leaving Buffy according to CNN. Angel's future is also uncertain.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    The Ultimate SpinOff!!!

    by Lyingman

    Andrew the not quite straight, but not quite gay, not quite a genius, Vampire Slayer!!! While it might not be heroic it might be really funny to have him fight evil alongside Dawn.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Here's an idea...

    by Theta

    Willow and Kennedy with their own show. It's a good balance, I feel. You add two new characters, a Watcher-type for Kennedy and another male, preferably somebody who can fight better than Xander, and go. Either that, or the Spike Show. Otherwise...who cares?

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Cast List for last Buffy

    by JeffPA007

    : Eliza Dushku (Faith) David Boreanaz (Angel) Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) J. August Richards (Gunn) Amy Acker (Fred) Vincent Kartheiser (Connor) Alexis Denisof (Wesley) Andy Hallett (Lorne) Tom Lenk (Andrew) Elizabeth Anne Allen (Amy) Mercedes McNab (Harmony) Anthony Stewart Head (Rupert Giles) Danny Strong (Jonathan) Adam Busch (Warren) Mark Metcalf (The Master) Clare Kramer (Glory) Juliet Landau (Drusilla) Iyari Limon (Kennedy) Robia La Morte (Jenny Calendar) DB Woodside (Principal Robin Wood)

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Lots of News

    by DarkZero

    The Associated Press is reporting that not only is Buffy definitely ending this season, but that Angel WILL be on Buffy during the five part ending and that Joss Whedon really is working on a spin-off that will be pitched to uPN. ---http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/5268263.htm

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 7:46 p.m. CST

    can't we just let it be over??

    by CookieGirl

    Spinoffs are not what the Buffyverse needs. Let a spectacular show end. Let it rest in peace. No spinoff would do the original justice. Lets look for a great ending and let it go. It's not like you don't have the DVD's anyway.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Spike Cooler than Angel? Sorry don't see it.

    by ChristianNYC

    Spike isn't cooler than Angel in my world. Actually he's an "Angel wannabe" he went to get a soul to get Buffy in bed. EVERYTHING Spike does is for a "woman" ie: Drusilla, Buffy to a much smaller degree Harmony.. That makes Spike the dog on a leash. Angel can make decisions on his own NOT Spike! Spike is always connected to a female. Now we get to see Spke connected to another female..... Spoilers here..... 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 His mother! Spike in a spinoff will not work. He's way too connected to Buffy. He's like a baby NOT a man. "Spike: Everything I do it's all about you Buffy" doesn't make him macho or very independant in the least. He needs to get a grip on himself, and no not his penis, and become a man finally. He's gotten to wimpy and wus like. In layman's terms "LAME"

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Fray is the best option

    by Rex,theTyranoMan

    But not as a live action series...that would be impossible and would look stupid. Do an animated series or a computer animated series. Cartoon Network? FOX? Joss, drop Buffy. No more spin-offs. It's a dead show....There's nothing left to say. Please. Fray is a freh new spin on the mythology. Have ASH do the voice of Melaka's demon non-watcher (whom I think is supposed to be Giles, anyway...he looks just like Giles did when he became a demon.) Either that, or have Square animation do a CGI Asian slayer series, very period. Like Crouching Tiger with Shogun vamps. Please, let the characters of Buffy fade away with some grace.

  • Feb. 26, 2003, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Animated Fray

    by Rex,theTyranoMan

    This is the answer...any spin-off is a dead spin-off at this point. Let Angel take the Buffyverse out with a bang...after one or two more seasons, maybe? I'd love to see Xander on Angel. Maybe Willow, but Xander more. Cartoon Network or FOX should do an animated or CGI Fray series. Or have Square Animation do a period Asian Slayer series like Crouching Tiger with ninja and samurai vamps and demons. Change the tone of the show. Get NEW WRITERS. The mythology is great, but the writing has killed a lot of the potential. That reminds me, kill all the potentials by the end of the season. I will never watch a new VS series...maybe Faith, but not likely that either.

  • Feb. 27, 2003, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Theta...

    by FEENXFIRE

    Where'd you get that cast list? Sounds very, very cool. Wishing for OZ, but I guess it's too late. Woo... I WANT Buffy to end, if only to see the last ep; should be something.

  • Feb. 28, 2003, 2:46 a.m. CST

    a new kind of spin

    by Eve-ilbitch

    I reckon the best thing to do is to kill Buffy for good (come on it's been running for over 6 years!) and start off with something Fresh. It'll be cool if they did a spin off called "Slayers", about PTB choosing Five slayer chicks instead of one. Faith should be the lead and Dawn should be revealed as a Slayer (in the end season) and three other girls should be introduced. A streetwise demon picks them all out, and each of them is unique. Like maybe one could be called Raven and she's like half demon half-human and, another one Eve and she could be like this chick with strange witch powers and maybe the other could be called Callista. The fight scenes would be like Charlie

  • March 1, 2003, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Farewell to a beloved slayer...

    by Buff_Angel

    It has been a good 7 year run, but like all good things, this too must come to an end. Fortunately, we will be able to keep Buffy in our hearts and not-so-distant memories thanks to the technology of DVD. I haven't purchased any yet, but will be doing so before the prices start to sky rocket due to the cancellation of the show. It's amazing how these characters have evolved from season one. I did get Angel's first season and can see how Cordelia and Wes have changed during the 4 year stint. Wesley for the good, Cordelia, well, not so good. She was a lot more fun when she first started working with Angel. I guess she has matured, and unfortunately right out of her personality. As far as Buffy, I must admit to preferring the first 3 years to the last 4. Although, this season has been better than last, with the exception of last weeks episode. It's called BUFFY the Vampire Slayer...so I guess I prefer a show more dedicated to her than a sniveling little weirdo like Andrew. But I know that some of you folks like him, I am just stating my opinion. Farewell Buffy and Friends...you will forever live in our hearts.

  • March 2, 2003, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Is this a stupid...

    by Jrzlee

    question? Anyone, what is FRAY?

  • March 16, 2003, 1:33 a.m. CST

    so what if hes 40!!!!!! and also answer to What is Fray

    by Sg-Fg-Sg1

    Someone up there said james Marsters was 40... i belive he is 31 or 32. But oh well thats not the main reason I'm saying this its because they said that james marsters was 40 as in because he was 40 he couldn't make a tv series that would last. Hello anywone in here watch STARGATE SG1?!?!?! Richard Dean Anderson was past 40 when they started the series and its going to start filming on season 7 very shortly(season 7 will air in June on Sc-Fi)) so thats no excuse. Also on the Fray Q shes a comic book character I believe. Shes a slayer that has no friends. Street smart pucnk slayer I believe.

  • March 16, 2003, 1:57 a.m. CST

    What about an ensamble spin off

    by Sg-Fg-Sg1

    I think this would be the best idea. They could have buffy off somewhere else, dead, gone, ect. Everyone else could be left in SD picking up the pieces. OR they could delve in dawns keyness and have some sort of thing where the returning sctors go through dimensions for some reason((to much like that show sliders though)) it be a better idea if any for an ensamble spin off. i'll say one thing though if the spin off has any orig cast i'll watch the first few eps. If spikes in it I'll watch itt to the end.

  • March 21, 2003, 7:06 p.m. CST

    After Buffy

    by david915915

    I think that Buffy should die with no way that Willow or anyone or anything else can bring her back from the dead, but Kenedy and Willow be in their own series, also with Spike and Dawn, also have Conner from Angel be a main character, not too sure about Xander though, allthough anyone of these people could get killed in the end, I think that survivors should carry on, as for a title, cant really call it Kenedy the Vampire Slayer or Willow the Witch or even just call it SPIKE. Besides if Buffy Beats THE FIRST then a spin off cant happen because all Evil will be gone, Angel cant carry on, so really buffy needs to die by the first and the first needs to go back to whatever it was doing. By the way, in Season Three of Buffy, when THE FIRST came in for one episode, why did they try to kill Angel for again, why him, maybe Angel will play a improtant role at the end of Buffy.