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Lucas declares that the Original Star Wars Trilogy will NEVER be released in DVD as Originally Seen in theaters!!!

Harry here... All I have to say is Fuck This, Fuck Lucas and Fuck These DVDs! Sigh... Ok, so I do have more to say. Gone for all time will be the original work of John Dykstra and his innovative motion control work in the original Star Wars. Gone will be the original beauty of the Death Star explosion. Gone will be the original rhythm of the Cantina scene and the exchange between Solo and Greedo. Future generations will never know the wondrous model work, we'll never have preserved the initial miracles that the wizards at ILM created. Those original editions, those mistakes, they're glorious. They are the original footprints that led special effects out of darker times. All that artistry is lost on George Lucas. It was all errors, mistakes... the efforts of the original founders of ILM, the men and women that carved the imaginations of generations... All of that means nothing to him. That work isn't timeless to George Lucas. His complete and utter disregard for his own history, the work that EARNED THAT SPECIAL OSCAR... It all means nothing to him. That work, what possible harm is there in giving us that extra disc, making us pay for it. WE CARE! WE WANT IT! And I will never buy a DVD that doesn't have it. I suggest you do the same.

Hey Harry,  

Just got back from  the opening night of the ILM/Skywalker Sound tribute at the American Cinematheque @ the Egyptian Theatre.  While it was real cool seeing Lucas in person, there really wasn't a whole lot discussed that would be enlightening to most fans.  Much of the Q&A revolved around topics that we have seen or heard in the many commentaries or interviews from the last twenty years.  Still, it was pretty damn awesome seeing the man, albeit he's kinda of short in person.   

Anyway, about the only major piece of info to come from this night may upset the purists.  THERE WILL BE NO ORIGINAL VERSIONS ON DVD!!!   Lucas flat out said that we won't see the originals on DVD and I'm guessing any format other than those it already exists, ie laserdisc and video.  I have both the originals and specials on laserdisc.  Of course, you could get bootlegs but that isn't legal, unless the Emperor makes it legal.  This news was met with very little snickering or hissing.  Lucas feels the originals weren't complete so the special editions are the versions he intended to make 20 years ago.  

That's about it, until next time.

The Film Maven

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  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Don't Worry, the Originals Will be Released Eventually

    by VictorC

    My guess is that bootlegs of dvds of the original vhs versions of the Star Wars films will become hot items. Lucas will want to cash in and release a super-duper deluxe edition of the trilogy so we'll all have to buy it again.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Lucas is a clusterfuck!

    by Budo64

    George Lucas is a complete moron surrounded by ass sniffers like Rick Macallum. This news does not surprise me in the least! Remember midichlorians...

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:34 a.m. CST

    It's really not surprising.

    by Johnny Anarchy

    I think I remember hearing him say something to that effect when they released the Special Editions years ago. Of course, as a fan you hope he was just blowing smoke up your ass. That really fucking blows that he isn't. I am sure I will still buy them...but it won't be with an absolute raving need though thats for sure. It will be something I will just "get around" to buying. Fuck, I hope he changes his mind. I want to be able to not see Han Solo walk around Jabba again and watching him make that stupid face. Agh...Yeah.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:35 a.m. CST

    I've thought about selling laserdiscs...

    by FD Resurrected

    Now after this news, I'm keeping Star Wars Trilogy Definitive Collection edition. I'm more of a purist, since Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition have some horrible CG effects (notably Hans Solo's utterly fake stepping on Jabba Hutt's tail scene) that take me out of viewing pleasure. I know, I'm supposed not to nitpick but I LOATHE bad and botched CG effects.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:38 a.m. CST

    This fucker is just as bad as Michael Jackson, just that he's fu

    by ParanoidPornstar

    What can I say.... after watching that special about MJ, all people that abuse children should die. Lucas is suffering from that same dillusion that he's still on top and can't let that go. Thanks for nothing, dickhead

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by WayOutWest

    Never would have suspected Lucas would be so vain. I'd have thought he'd make both available and let the market decide. About the only people who will be happy to hear this will be those auctioning off Laserdiscs on Ebay.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Walkie-Talkies instead of lightsabers?

    by Siguy

    I liked the Special Edition Star Wars films quite a bit, but for god's sake, if I don't want to watch Han Solo miraculously dodge Greedo's LASER then Lucas should give me the option.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:45 a.m. CST

    This is old news Harry...

    by Dead Kid

    You're such the Star Wars purist yet you don't pay attention to what's already been stated numerous times by LFL before. But it was about time in the AICN update schedule for another typical 'rant' post from you. Not every story you write on this site will influence film studios, especially LFL, to change their minds... but good luck anyway. My advice, just deal with it and keep a VCR handy in the future. -Solo shot first.

  • I have the only versions of Star Wars and Empire that are legitimate, and whatever Lucas does now is immaterial to me. He can prefer the horrible PC "Greedo shoots first" version all he likes. I never have to see it. Shame the originals won't get the DVD treatment (not to mention HD-DVD when that comes out), but all that means is that there is about to be a very rich bootlegger somewhere in the world.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Does this suck?

    by Toonimator

    I think it does. So, Lucas always intended Greedo to shoot first, and for the exteriors of Mos Eisley to be a big bustle of CG critters scampering around, chittering all the while, with CG Dewbacks dancing in the background making more noise than a group of siamangs at the zoo at feeding time. The originals had that charm. The only bits in the Special Edition I liked--the ONLY bits--were the updated space battles. As impressive as the originals were, they feel painfully slow compared to the more dynamic upgrade. All the rest of the "enhancements" were either hamfisted by today's standards, or so minor that they made the errors left unchanged (Obi-Wan's saber blade in the duel, Vader's white blade as Luke blasts the door) all the more noticable. Or they were just Lucas getting off with his newfound ability to change stuff around. We all practically wet our pants over getting to see the Jabba scene, before seeing the cartoony castration of Jabba as a menace with his reaction as Han stepped on his tail (a precursor to Jar-Jar's antics), and the side-effect of auditory repetition when we hear Han repeat the "Even I get boarded sometimes" line he JUST SPOKE while at the table with Greedo, while getting his blaster ready. A line taken from the Jabba scene & plugged in there after the original Jabba was cut (then again, the original cut had a repetition of Ben's "The Force will be with you"). I hope fanboy pride won't keep folks from being honest about this decision. It's a bad one. Think of it as if ONLY the colorized Casablanca was released on DVD, the B&W original never to be seen in digital format. That's what this amounts to. I LIKE seeing the old extreme-closeup Wampa. I LIKE Darth Vader's speedy return to the Executor, without a non-James-Earl-Jones line tossed in among footage snagged from ROTJ. I LIKED Sy Snootles boppin around like a stiff rod-puppet, without cartoony eyes & a rock-music video complete with extreme-closeups of some CG guy's molars. I LIKED the Yub-yub song (well... okay it was pretty cheesy, and the new ending grew on me except the painfully obvious & overbearing CG celebration cutaways that honestly make no sense storywise). Lucas is being stubborn. I fear many fans will likewise be stubborn, because worshipping him has consumed so much of their lives.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Provided he fixes the gaffes from the ORIGINAL Special Editions.

    by Mirthquake

    ... like Greedo shooting first, and replaces the Daffy Duck-looking Jabba in ANH with the MUCH better model from "Phantom Menace," I'm OK with this... I have my autographed Definitive Edition LVD set to fall back on if I want to fret my geek on, old school.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Forget Saddam!!

    by slaterc3

    The U.S. Government should forget about North Korea, scrap Iraq, give up on terrorists, and use all of its power against that dictatorial, fascist state of "Skywalker Ranch", crucify George Lucas and his ugly adopted children to sandal-wood, get the fucking rights to Star Wars, and hand them over to the Criterion Collection. Now there's a war worth fighting. I'm not even going to SEE episode 3 if this bullshit is true. That motherfucker probably thinks the prequels are BETTER than the originals! What do you want to bet? Fucking "incomplete vision" and shit. Damn that pretentious toad-neck to that part of hell where the devil shoves red-hot axl rods up your ass! Wait! He might like that!! FUCK!!!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:57 a.m. CST


    by Darth Siskel III

    They'll eventually sell the original versions, because if they don't, the pirated version will prosper, and be readily available to anyone that wants it.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Well, fuck.

    by VoteRoslin08

    All I know is, if he's giving us all SE DVD's he had better go back a fix all the crazy-bad CGI in em.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:03 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by VoteRoslin08

    You heard it here first... I'm predicting a scene in Ep 3 where Anikan dangles a baby Leia off a balcony. Just a though.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:04 a.m. CST


    by tbrosz

    I just took my original VHS boxed set of the original series and made sure it was in a very safe place.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Yep, I completely agree with Harry on this one...but...

    by Shabbadoo

    Well, first of all; sure you wouldn't BUY them on DVD, Harry, but I think they'd end up in your collection anyway (because, after all, accepting them is totally different, right?). Secondly, don't worry, big guy. This all just won't be true in a few years. I'd bet my ass on it. After the fans respond, I can't imagine Lucas going against their wishes, no matter how good/bad a businessman he is. Trust me, man.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:17 a.m. CST


    by CASE

    I too have the Definitive Collection on Laserdisc. Now I just have to buy that DVD recorder...

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:26 a.m. CST


    by VoteRoslin08

    Some1 help me figure this out... I posted two messages, one right after the other a few minutes ago. All the previous messages are listed below mine, which would lead me to believe that the messages are posted with most recenst at the top... However my first message is above my second one... IS ANYONE ELSE SEEING THIS TYPE OF THING HAPPEN... Also sometimes, my message is posted in the middle of a bunch of messages. WTF? If you are as sick as I am of this retarded stone-age method of talkback e-mail harry or the tech guy listed in the "contact us" section and let them know you want talkback updated to have the abiblity to reply to postings.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Not being on DVD isn't the worst....

    by NJM

    It's the fact that I will be stuck with pan-and-scan versions of the original trilogy FOREVER! I only have the widescreen versions of the SE trilogy. This is HORRIBLE! I despise pan-and-scan! This is depressing. I've seen homemade CGI look better than the so-called special edition Jabba. Also, to paraphrase a line by Dr. McCoy in "Star Trek III", "how can Greedo be such a bad shot with EYES like that?!" I mean, it's practically point blank range! Who's gonna miss that shot?! Truthfully? Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder couldn't miss Han at that range! It's truly ridiculous! The only things that really added to anything in the SE trilogy were the enhanced space battles, the Wampa Ice creature, and the enhanced interiors of Bespin. If you threw out the rest of it, I doubt that I'd mind. I was just greatly pleased that they didn't touch ONE frame of the ROTJ space battle because THAT is a classic cinematic masterpiece! It outdoes every space battle in the film history! Well, all we can hope for is that Lucas, at least, updates the CGI in the special editions so they don't look like some 2nd or 3rd rate digital effects company handled it because that's how they look only six years later. -NJM Visit Michalak.Org!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Looks like George is back on the menu boys!

    by JAGUART

    What about the bootlegs? He don't need them. They're fresh.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Are you kidding?

    by Calastir

    I'm trying to forget all about that 'midichlorian' bullshit! The force is an energy field, not some bunch of amoebe. Damn you George!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Easy Solution Harry!

    by BTWR

    Go to ebay and buy the import VCD/DVDs! Hehehe, I know. it's not the same, but you can't directly reply to me anyway because this talkback will have 100s of posts and you refuse to thread these talkbacks!!! ***AUFT: AICN-Users-For-Threading***

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Jedi Rocks

    by Playhouse

    I agree. Jedi Rocks was absolutely horrendous. It didn't belong. Bring back the damn Ewoks song. It made for a much better ending.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:50 a.m. CST


    by Blueline Geek

    I would love it when the SE comes out as long as he takes out all the shit people hate. Greedo shoots first Ewoks dancing and the whole RotJ end

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:50 a.m. CST

    George Lucas, the ONE HIT WONDER ?

    by Robert Blake

    Okay, just one hit is too harsh. THX-1138, American Graffiti, Star Wars ep.4... yes, three movies. This is his whole career as a respectable director. After that, I don't know what happened to his brain, but he came up with those pathetic prequels. I mean, puh-leeze! I've seen videogames with far better plots and acting!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:58 a.m. CST

    How can Lucas be so selfish?

    by RogueScribner

    The Special Editions are kind of neat, but why can't we be guaranteed the original versions of the movies we love on DVD. Clean them up, add DTS tracks, whatever but don't add in new scenes or change the meaning behind any of the old scenes. I look at these Special Editions as curiosities, not replacements. The theatrical version should always be made available. Otherwise it's rewriting history and my memory is shit anyway. I loathe Lucas for stating the the original versions will never see the light of day on digital format. He's effectively stealing my childhood away from me and I hate that. Why he can't offer both versions is beyond me. I'm sure there'd be money in it. I wish I could meet him just to explain that to him. I didn't fall in love with the Star Wars of 1997, I fell in love with the Star Wars of 1977! I'm a purist. Shoot me. L8r

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:03 a.m. CST

    yeah, i'm with mirthquake,...

    by jetdjango

    george, rick, if you're listening,... the special editions were a joy to behold for many of us star wars fans around the world but please let han shoot first, and give us a better looking jabba as he looked so good the second time around (in TPM). part of what made han so great as a character was his impetuousness and ruthlessness. all in all having him wait for greedo to miss a point blank shot seems a bit childish even for the kid in me. i, for one absolutely adored the original musical numbers in ROTJ (debatably my only real criminal act was shoplifting the soundtrack on a grade 9 field trip!) and what would be so hard about making them available (or any of the original space battles for instance) on an extra dvd much like peter jackson gave us with lord of the rings -or even as a viewing option so that they are capable of being watched in tandem with the whole movie -much like a directors' commentary available on the dvd's main menu? Let's face it a lot of us own these movies already in at least one or 2 formats. It'd be great if we're going to buy them a third time if they'd let us have our cake and eat it too! lucasfilm, please let me watch han shoot first as a viewing option in the (real) first movie or i swear to god i won't buy it or any other lucasfilm dvd's from now on!!!! (No matter what i've spent to date on star wars toys!). A lot of us adult fans who have kids now can only take so much revisionism in the original storylines. Boba shouldn't have been so close to those girls in RotJ as it showed his weakness. (Greed aside that is) His appeal (much like Han's) lay in the coldness of his ambitions -even when he acted boldly to fulfill them. In that scene you could almost see him smiling under the helmet (I would have been!)and somehow that came off as wrong to me. If Jango could have held out for a clone son rather than make love and conceive a child with a woman something tells me Boba could have passed on jabba's gals (undoubtedly some of the galaxy's less wholesome ones, after all!!) Whaddaya say George? one for the adult in us overgrown kids? Thanks for listening!!! -ps -anyone know if Jango got his name from Django the gypsy guitarist like my son and I did? Jet

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:11 a.m. CST

    George, you incredible piece of dogsh*t...

    by Villa Restil

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:12 a.m. CST

    yeah, i'm with mirthquake,...

    by jetdjango

    george, rick, if you're listening,... the special editions were a joy to behold for many of us star wars fans around the world but please let han shoot first, and give us a better looking jabba as he looked so good the second time around (in TPM). part of what made han so great as a character was his impetuousness and ruthlessness. all in all having him wait for greedo to miss a point blank shot seems a bit childish even for the kid in me. i, for one absolutely adored the original musical numbers in ROTJ (debatably my only real criminal act was shoplifting the soundtrack on a grade 9 field trip!) and what would be so hard about making them available (or any of the original space battles for instance) on an extra dvd much like peter jackson gave us with lord of the rings -or even as a viewing option so that they are capable of being watched in tandem with the whole movie -much like a directors' commentary available on the dvd's main menu? Let's face it a lot of us own these movies already in at least one or 2 formats. It'd be great if we're going to buy them a third time if they'd let us have our cake and eat it too! lucasfilm, please let me watch han shoot first as a viewing option in the (real) first movie or i swear to god i won't buy it or any other lucasfilm dvd's from now on!!!! (No matter what i've spent to date on star wars toys!). A lot of us adult fans who have kids now can only take so much revisionism in the original storylines. Boba shouldn't have been so close to those girls in RotJ as it showed his weakness. (Greed aside that is) His appeal (much like Han's) lay in the coldness of his ambitions -even when he acted boldly to fulfill them. In that scene you could almost see him smiling under the helmet (I would have been!)and somehow that came off as wrong to me. If Jango could have held out for a clone son rather than make love and conceive a child with a woman something tells me Boba could have passed on jabba's gals (undoubtedly some of the galaxy's less wholesome ones, after all!!) Whaddaya say George? one for the adult in us overgrown kids? Thanks for listening!!! -ps -anyone know if Jango got his name from Django the gypsy guitarist like my son and I did? Jet

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:21 a.m. CST

    George, you incredible piece of dogsh*t...

    by Villa Restil

    Let's try that again. I saw the original Star Wars 12 times in the theatre. I loved it. Now, thanks to all the tampering you've done and that grim piece of "kid saves the day" crud, Fandom Menace, you've sullied this franchise to the point that I just DON'T CARE ANYMORE. I didn't go see Send in the Clones, and I'm not going to see the next movie. I've come to the conclusion that your earlier success was due in large part to being surrounded by good people, most notably your ex-wife/editor. If it were the Trek franchise, I'd simply say two words, "No, Trelane."

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Hear it yourself ...the complete Q&A on a audio file

    by jedislave

    Hey guys Just letting you know that if you want to hear the entire Q&A session its over at They posted them on wav files. check it out

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    by C.C. Baxter

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Have both versions please!!!

    by C.C. Baxter

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Testify, Shabbadoo ...

    by MickXII

    No way in hell George Lucas will NOT put the originals on DVD. First, it wouldn't be difficult at all to put it on a disc. Second, there is money to be made, which is proven that Luca$ will do anything for a buck. Spielberg put the original E.T. on DVD (if I recall, it was a last minute thing to put it on the disc, because the fans wanted it). I'm not a rabid fanboy at all.. I'd definitely watch both the original, and the SE (in fact I'd prefer both be on the disc/in a bundle, just to see updated effects and such..). Anyway, what I'm saying is DON'T GET BENT OUT OF SHAPE ABOUT THIS! The originals will be put on DVD. Word will spread. George isn't THAT crazy. He's more into the DVD format than Spielberg (Steven doesn't like audio commentaries, because they "take away from the movie experience"). Keep the outcries going, folks, just to send the message. But don't overdo it calling him every name in the book. I have faith that he will see the light (of fanboy toy lightsabres being ignited in rage of hearing this news) and put the originals on DVD. Ok, rant over.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Oh my god...

    by The Z-Frame

    As a hardcore fan of Star Wars for many years, I can honestly say, I don't care. I have the original trilogy on VHS. They way it should be. The unedited, outdated graphics belong on an outdated format. Ten years from, we'll be showing our youth the old special effects on the old video format, killing two birds with one stone. "See Jimmy, thats how things used to be."

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST

    I waited in line to see the very 1st movie, and...

    by SkiffyPup

    I absolutely loved it! And the second one even more! The third??? Uh, all I can say is... all good but the sentient teddy bears. **** Given all that: What this fool has done to our ( yes, OUR) story is so gawdawful BAD... I just don't care anymore. Really. Sad, so very sad.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:16 a.m. CST


    by MechaGhost

    You know, I have to admire the man for his utter contempt for the fans. And I mean that seriously. I understand why everyone wants the original cuts, but I also think it's within Lucas' rights as the *creator* to do whatever he damn well pleases with his filmes - fans be damned. Of course, it'd be better if Lucas weren't insane... Ah well.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:21 a.m. CST

    don't worry folks, all we have to do is wait until he's dead

    by hank_scorpio

    Then fox will raid his ranch and get the original negatives back, just have patience.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Thank you, Fatboy Roberts

    by Lazarus Long

    My sentiments exactly. People are putting the originals on WAY too high a pedestal, especially Jedi. ROTJ is by far the worst film in the series, so it really doesn't matter what was added to it or changed. The Luke/Vader/Emperor stuff makes it worth watching, but that's about it. TPM by contrast has more great moments throughout the length of the film; unfortunately they are interspersed with a lot of bad ones too. The best point Fatboy made was that if the OT effects weren't cleaned up, they would look bad to new/younger viewers next to the new trilogy. Ultimately, we all knew this was going to happen, and the idea of this talkback is idiotic--just so people can vent on Lucas once again. The person who said Lucas will do anything for $$$ is a fucking idiot. If that was the case the DVDs would ALREADY be available. And AOTC would have opened AFTER Spider-Man. And Leonardo DiCaprio WOULD have been cast as anything. Call Lucas an idiot, but you look foolish by calling him moneygrubbing. The guy has put all of his money back into his business to make ALL films better for the audience (THX, anyone?). If it wasn't for him other filmmakers wouldn't have the use of ILM or Skywalker Sound. He is still worthy of admiration in my book. If he made some questionable editorial choices on the SE, such as Greedo & Jabba, that's a fairly small crime compared to the Jabba's palace dance number (in either version), or the abomination that is the Ewoks, and they have MUCH more screen time to boot.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:38 a.m. CST

    You mean people still care about Star Wars?

    by FreeJack

    I gave up caring about this series after Phantom Menace; after several younger filmmakers picked up the mantle once owned by Lucas. Wachowski, Jackson, etc... At this moment, I don't care if I ever see the originals on DVD - the "new breed" of Star Wars has killed it for me.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Bring on Episode 3

    by Sane_Man

    When you walk out of the cinema after watching Episode 3, you wont be able to watch the original trilogy again without thinking to yourself "Darth Vader is just a young, skinny dickhead in a big black helmet".

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:55 a.m. CST

    I have the OT on VHS so I don't care

    by spike fan

    Seriously I just hope that fan boys will not buy the watered down version of the once great OT. When the DVD sales stay Low Luca$ will soon change him mind. Anyone remember TPM he was not going to relase it on to DVD but VHS sales were not that high so there was the DVD. As for the the prequels what a bunch of crap it tells less the fall of Anakin Skywalker and more the fall of George Luca$. Anyway who cares when there is the Lord of the Rings trilogy thats real filmmaking.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Damn you, Lucas. DAMN YOU TO HELL!


    Your legacy diminishes by the day. May the cinematic gods punish you to the limits of their collective imagination.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Star wars original

    by bouncing ball

    I'm glad the original wont be released- I was 8 when I saw it and I thought it sucked even then. I have never thought much of John Dykstras work- witness the difference between his work and Doug Trumballs on ST:TMP. As for the rest- its just rose coloured lenses and al that.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Fuck Lucas

    by MRE

    He's just a guy who lucked out in 1977. With the release of Lord of the Rings, and Lucas' new trilogy Lucas' uselessness is now complete. The fans can ignore all the little crap he peddles. I am boycotting all of Lucas products. I will not see the last of his lame ass trilogy. I'll download it on Kazaa, I'm sure someone will post a DVD screener. Tbis fat reclusive billionaire, living with fat adopted kids, in a Michael Jackson type secluded Neverland ranch, thinks after years of living in a fantasy world he can all of the sudden write and direct three major motion pictures. Sure he has the RIGHT to do this. BUT WHAT MAKE HIM THINK IT"S NOT GOING TO SUCK? Return of the Jedi was just a hint of how talentless he was. And that was before he went insane. The fact is Lucas hates Star Wars fans and he wants to slowly torture them with the god awful crap he writes and directs. Jar Jar was a big fuck you to the fans. Because Lucas had a spoiled brat adopted kid he has to model Anakin after him thus ruining Darth Vader forever. He's just li'l Annie. He's punishing the fans because his wife left him and he's shooting blanks. Thank god that Lucas is just the producer in the Indiana Jones films.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:25 a.m. CST

    the corruption of classics..

    by magnumshaft

    If a director wants to rework his older films and butcher them (i.e. "LucAss" with star wars, or "Spillberg" with E.T.) then it's fine by me, just so long as he still shows the original (REAL)version of the film some damn respect and doesn't try to pretend it was some sort of rough draft or something... and what does that say about a director if he puts out a film that he considers incomplete...

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:27 a.m. CST

    VHS- to DVD

    by koosbane

    Once DVD burners come down in price, I'm going to burn a copy of my original VHS. It isn't widescreen, but it will have to do.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:45 a.m. CST

    this reeks of Bullshit!

    by BJC0410

    yeah i'm sure he's not going to release the orignal theatrical versions... my ass. Spielberg released ET with the original and the new version... lucas will do the same. This guy who's reporting is full of shit.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:15 a.m. CST

    No justice in this world

    by DouglasAH

    If Lucas hadn't lost his fucking mind years ago, and if he'd lifted a finger trying to get Eps.7-9 made, instead of some silly-ass prequels, or if he'd respected the original trilogy and embarked on a crusade to preserve them for the ages... then he'd be dead by now. A heart attack, a plane crash, a car wreck, a terminal illness, or some fuckhead ambushing him outside an awards ceremony. But now that he's a twisted little insane prick, he's fucking invincible. We could send him in single-handed to go put his foot up Saddam's ass, and he'd come back with a necklace of human ears, and not a scratch for his trouble. He could fly around the world on nothing but rickety turboprops with one engine feathered, right through tropical storms. The man just will not fucking die, he's like Neo. Fuck fuck fuck fuck!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:22 a.m. CST

    My fav version to watch

    by T-gasm

    Is the old version I have that was taped off of network TV back in the 80's, hosted by mark hamil, and the floating yellow cube cox in space that had interviewees inside talking about starwars. BTW.. Yeah, Georges decision is beyond me. I would be banging my head against a wall if I upset people like this.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:29 a.m. CST

    How about Lucas putting out a DVD collection like Spieberg did f

    by Monkey_King

    one disc would be the spanking new version, the other disc would be the supplementary stuff and disc three would the orginal "unaltered" version seen in theatres. Yeah, it's yet another version, but it would satisfy me.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:38 a.m. CST


    by radio1_mike

    No original "The Empire Strikes Back" on DVD. Man, what gives? I like Star Wars, and Jedi was okay, but Empire... Whoa nelly, and not to have original version on DVD as an OPTION? As my wife says, "What the frig?!"

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Want to make a difference?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Hit George in the only place that he listens to, his wallet. Don't buy the shit special editions and eventually he'll realize what the fans want. It's boycott time...or I guess it will be in 6 years when we get these on DVD.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:55 a.m. CST

    OV of the OT...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Maybe Lucas is expecting to make big bucks as a divida bootlegger. In any case, it does kind of suck, and is kind of incomprehensible as a business decision. Possibly there is some kind of financial implications to releasing the OT in their original versions, whereas the SE is more favourable to him and an original version release might hurt its market. But I don't know anything about that, it's just a guess. It doesn't bother me much, as I have my VHS, and to be honest, my favourite, ESB, actually did okay in terms of the SE treatment. The CGI is nothing like as invasive as it was in ANH, where comedy critters squeal and carry on to the point where they are actually obscuring the lead actors and their dialogue - how's that for fucked-up priorities. I think that (Enigma - I think they said it) was right in that George probably does feel betrayed by his fans. And probably a little mystified. He caught lightning in a bottle once, like Chris Carter or Joss Whedon did, and his attempts to do that with other creations since have all fallen down (I know about Indiana Jones, but still find Indy a profoundly Spielbergian experience - when exactly did GL fall out of love with morally vague cool gun/whiptoters? Probably shortly before we all fell out of love with *him*). In any case, his true talent is clearly in FX, both visual and sound, and organising these technologies is clearly where his heart lies, and after the OT, where his legacy will ultimately spring from. But no way am I paying good money for a fucked-up ANH. Just so you know.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:57 a.m. CST

    I liked TESB Special Edition but

    by Avon

    what Lucas did for Star Wars was and is over the top. I remember seeing the redone Tatooine shot with the big droid that hits the floating droid to the ground and feeling that things were going wrong. If Lucas had just stuck to being more understated and made small improvements to explosions and touch ups then I would have been happier with that. Empire was a good special edition as the existing effects were merely touched up. The Cantina scene where Han is seen to be "goody goody" was severly bastardised as well. I'd rather Lucas released every edition for DVD to keep all happy.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Ignorance is followed by ignorance, repetition, diminishing sens

    by XTheCrovvX

    I'm usually the guy to stay as far the hell away from the "Lucas is an assclown" chant as scientifically possible...but I gotta say...Lucas is a fucking assclown on this issue....personally, i dont see how hard it can fucking be to just put BOTH versions on a disc....its been done before (the ID4 5-Star Ed., The Abyss Special Ed., T2 Ultimate Ed.)....Lucas can't be this fucking selfish and ignorant of his audience....granted, I dont hate the Special Editions for anything EXCEPT Greedo shooting first, but just as Harry said....they may be mistakes, but they are classic mistakes...and they are the way w experienced the film prior to some fuckin' intelligence you plaid-wearin' peen-arse!! And get Solo to shoot first again, goddammit! Revolution is still my fucking name...and God bless Asian bootlegs!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Holy Hell!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Just noticed something. Have I stumbled across the one unhosed TB in the universe? Oh shit, I've jinxed it!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:21 a.m. CST

    I really think you guy

    by THX5334

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:22 a.m. CST

    It's a movie. Get over it.

    by KingOfCrows

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:24 a.m. CST


    by Avon

    Oh but I do understand so well. Those SFX in the Special Editions already look outdated by today's standards taking Jabba as an example. Those extra Jawa screeches and squeals are vomit inducing and the only thing that you could say is superior about the Special Editions are the space battles and understated touch ups. Yes...even having Han miraculously dodge out of the way of a shot at point blank range is inferior to the original trilogy.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Whoa, people! Chill!

    by THX5334

    Yeah, Greedo shooting first sucked cock. Yeah, the emperor scream being put into Luke's body at the end of Empire and the "Bring My Shuttle" being taken out is fucking wack. Amen to that Fatboy. However, I really think the man is playing you. He is getting you sooooo hyped up that you will NEVER be able to have them, and then you know what will happen? Around 2008/2009 When Lucas needs some major cashflow to bankroll something he's big on, he'll release the classic additions on DVD FOR A LIMITED TIME!!! Just like Disney. He may even have it go through Fox or something to save face and just make the profits. But I gaurantee he is just setting you all up so that he will spring the classic editions on DVD when the well is bone-fucking dry. And here's the thing that pisses me off about the Greedo/Han debacle. Lucas always claims that he changed it because he felt like Han came off like a cold blooded killer. However, if you pay attention to the last line Greedo says, He infers that he is going to kill Han. So Han shoots first in self defense. It's implied in the WRITING. SIMPLE FUCKIN' DRAMATIC STRUCTURE! Christ, I got that when I was 4 years old and saw the movie, and I get it now.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:40 a.m. CST

    I'll say it...

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    You know, I actually read Campbell's seminal work. And I have to tell you, I think Campbell is ass. His observations are far too relentlessly general to be useful to anybody. There's the occasional interesting idea, but no way is it a the comprehensive mapping of the human mythical experience its adherents pretend it to be. I saw "Star Wars: The Power of Myth" exhibition in London before TPM came out, and it suffered from the same thematic generality - it could hardly not, under the circumstances. Ah, those heady days when I actually gave that much of a shit. I was always under the impression that the works of Carlos Casteneda had had more impact on the OT than Campbell anyway. Maybe that's what George should do - drop a whole load of peyote, hang out in the desert for a few days, and THEN come back and write Ep. 3. I'd be front and centre on opening night. Even if it were appalling, it would be interesting, and not this cookie cutter Campbellian bullshit.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:49 a.m. CST

    For a man who talks about preserving our cinema heritage

    by RenoNevada2000

    Lucas just seems to be talking out his ass. He needs to have a little sit down with his buddy Stevie Spielberg and have a long discussion why Spielberg included BOTH verions of ET on the recent DVD release. I find it scary that I had a conversation with my 14 year old nephew this past Christmas and he had not only not seen the original version of the old trilogy, he never knew that the versions he saw were altered. When I explained some of the changes to him, he realized that they were crap. Thankfully, a friend has all three on laser disc so in about 18 months to two years when the price of DVD burners drop, I already know that I have a copy of each film they way I, a fan of film history, not bullcrap revisionism, want to see the films.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:09 a.m. CST

    National Film Registry

    by RenoNevada2000

    In 1989 (pre-Special Edition) Star Wars was placed on the National Film Registry. Shouldn't being placed here be similar to a location being declared a National Historic Site where its really hard for anyone to make changes to a building or location? Really, what's the point if Lucas can still go back and keep using the films as lab experiments for ILM?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Hey Lucas, I already got them on DVD bootleg you cuntfucker!!

    by Horseflesh

    You're a whore.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Do you really believe that Lucas wrote the first trilogy based o

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    And do you suppose anyone in the world would give a toss about the prequels if there had been no OT? That they would even have been made?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:30 a.m. CST

    For once Harry I complelty agree with you

    by brundle

    Fuck the fucking special editions, Lucas should have his balls cut off for that Greedo scene alone. buying the DVDs? - Fuck No.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:33 a.m. CST

    I support Lucas's decision, because...

    by Some Dude

    ...hearing the endless crying of the fanboys brings warmth to my jaded heart.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:33 a.m. CST


    by Bluemilk

    LUCAS IS A CUNT< IM GONNA KILL THAT FUCKER< GONNA DRIVE MY XP38 UP TO HIS RAUNCH AND BEAT HIM TO DEATH WITH A JAR JAR DOLL. THE PREQUALS WERE FUCKING SHIT, NOW HE WANTS TO KILL THE STAR WARS I LIKE, MY LASERDISC IS WEARING OUT!!! Sharon says: greedo Sharon says: jabba Sharon says: bungee jumper Sharon says: death star ring Sharon says: swinging jawas Sharon says: big fucking mos eisley monster filling the screen WOT A CUNT

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by Indiana Clones

    The additions to the SEs suck. every single one. They don't fit the tone/rhythm/look of the film. But if you takes out the bad jabba scene and the bad greedo scene it would be 99% better right there. Then take all the other crap out. Thanks. I like the prequels. Bye

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Lucas, Dont come to Weedon Bec

    by Bluemilk

    Sharon says: lucas is a fucking lucas Sharon says: o god Sharon says: damned Sharon says: lucass repeat Sharon says: lucas is a fucking lucas Sharon says: o god Sharon says: damned Sharon says: lucass Sharon says: i really want to kill him

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:13 a.m. CST

    This week's special Star Wars SE dvd's 89.99 -- 2 weeks later..

    by fraggleroc

    he will put out the Special Editions on dvd for an outrageous price, which we will all pay! Then a few weeks or months later there will be an exclusive extra special especially special foil cover dvd of the original! then a few weeks later an extremely rare hard to find (WALMART) essentially especially specially dvd set of the original trilogy and the special editions which you must add to your especially special 3rd remake of Phantom Menace to go along with your etc, etc, etc... FUCK YOU Lucas! Here's my money!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:14 a.m. CST

    This week's special Star Wars SE dvd's 89.99 -- 2 weeks later..

    by fraggleroc

    he will put out the Special Editions on dvd for an outrageous price, which we will all pay! Then a few weeks or months later there will be an exclusive extra special especially special foil cover dvd of the original! then a few weeks later an extremely rare hard to find (WALMART) essentially especially specially dvd set of the original trilogy and the special editions which you must add to your especially special 3rd remake of Phantom Menace to go along with your etc, etc, etc... FUCK YOU Lucas! Here's my money!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:14 a.m. CST

    My own personal complaint on this...

    by godric

    is that half the time the old effects look better to me than CGI, sopmly because of the fact that the models and miniatures were all real existing objects, whereas CGI is an imitation of a real object. It just doesn't yet look real to my eye--as impressive and vast as the designs in Eps 1 & 2 are, none of them look as real as half the stuff in the original trilogy. Granted, the speeder bike chase in Jedi looks fake, but...Gollum is the first CGI anything I've ever been convinced by.

  • It is simply another way for Lucas to create revenue. Five years after the redo is on DVD then he will release the original just like he did with video so he can keep sucking 100's of millions out of you morons. Fett you like to sound smarter than you are(which isn't very hard) because its damn easy for Lucas to do the transfer with the materials he has right now. If you have any doubt that it has anything to do with anything but money then look at the two turds he hoisted on us. Fett, you are a foul mouthed pig and I will find a way to drive you off this TB forum for good.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I believe Lucas intends to be economical about this.

    by Lobanhaki

    First, we must ask, do the negatives for the original films even exist in any usable form? Star Wars doesn't. Much of it was damaged by years of 20th Century Fox neglect. The other two films probably have usable negatives but they are so substantially similar to their originals that releasing the originals would be an exercize in redundancy. From a filmgoer's perspective it might be a loss, and I agree, but from his perspective, he may very well believe that he would have to do a second restoration- essentially go through every bit of footage again and put the original parts back together. In the case of Star Wars, he may very well believe it impossible due to the loss of original elements to time and neglect. Then, when time came to put the original versions on DVD, he would end up effectively having to scan six films onto the computers (a difficult and painstaking process) half of which he no longer believes has a right to be there.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Hey maybe 50 years ago, George's parents intended to make a chil

    by BannthisUcommies

    Commie command economy where assholes like you determine what we can and can

  • That is right! "The Two Towers" is not only better, but shows how a real movie should be. Good acting, better directing and a great story. George said that he doesn't care about dialogue,so don't get your hopes up for Episode III! Star Wars is dead, plain and simple. YOU LOSER FANS needs to get a life and find something else to do, instead of waiting for Star Wars to get better!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:30 a.m. CST

    What I really want to know is....

    by I HATE YOU

    How does fettarific find the time to post in this talkback when he's got Lucas' cock in his mouth? Doesn't it take two hands? One on Lucas' member and one up his own ass?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Does anyone remember???

    by Horsefly

    Is this idea that the original trilogy will not be released really NEW news??? Way back before the Special Editions were released, the entire ad campaign for the repackaged videos of the original trilogy was, "Own the Original Trilogy... One Last Time." This was announced way back then, so it is not really a ground breaking news. I personally liked most of the changes, except that the idea of Greedo shooting first, but not because it looked terrible, but because it trashed the idea of any character development from a lone scounral to someone of friendship and value. And the addition of Jabba with Han on Tatooine. This was originally planned to be in the flick, and it was originally planned to be changed later. I just do not like the way Jabba did not look anything like he did in the other movies. As for the rest of the changes, IMHO I thought theye were just fine. The backgrounds on Bespin looked GREAT. After the Episode III hits the DVD market, I believe George will re-re-release the original trilogy BACK into the theaters, once again tweaked. Once again to go along with his 'original vision', and make them flow better to match the new trilogy. Then probably just like the new trilogy DVD releases, the originals will hit the DVD market about 9 months after they hit the theaters... ONE LAST TIME... as a Definitive, Special, Uber, Deluxe, Neato Editions of The Oorginal Trilogy on DVD.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Was no one paying attention...

    by CorranHorn

    when it was stated over and over during the VHS release of the digitally remastered OT that this would be the last time Star Wars would be available in its original version?

  • Those adorable little Emperor's slugs, never again. The blue screen lines around the snowspeeders--gone. The washed-out 70s film color. Wow am I gonna miss that. WAAAAAH! This is all complete bullshit! THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS WILL BE INCLUDED!!! Harry why do you drop matches into the nuclear reactor like this. You want to crash your system?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by Praetor

    At least those who owned the original laserdiscs will make a fucking fortune on the resale in ten years time. Oh, but wait, Star Wars won't mean a damn by then...

  • Those adorable little Emperor's slugs, never again. The blue screen lines around the snowspeeders--gone. The washed-out 70s film color. Wow am I gonna miss that. WAAAAAH! This is all complete bullshit! THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS WILL BE INCLUDED!!! Harry why do you drop matches into the nuclear reactor like this. You want to crash your system?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Star Wars fans overreact again!!

    by Salem Hanna

    First things first: They're his movie, he can do what he likes with them. Secondly, hasn't it occurred to anyone that most old films are digitally restored before re-release anyway? Lucas touched up the original trilogy BEFORE the special editions for a mid-90s VHS re-release, if I recall. So what's released on DVD would never have been the 'pure' cinematic original anyway. Thirdly, next to most of the ILM FX-heavy blockbusters in most DVD collections, the original versions would look tame, I'm guessing George doesn't want that which is why he's putting out what he considers to be the best version there is. And lastly, I don't believe for ONE SECOND that Harry won't buy the DVDs just because they're not the originals. That's BS. I remember when he posted a list of his DVD collection a few years ago on this site, there was loads of obscure stuff I'd never heard of before, sounded like a load of cheap martial arts B movies in fact. You really think he won't buy the most popular trilogy ever but is willing to make room in his collection for those? No chance.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Oh! One more thing...

    by Salem Hanna

    A BRILLIANT Lucas quote I read in Empire once: "I haven't devoted my life to Star Wars. Not compared to some of the people I meet on the internet". Says it all. George always saw his franchise as a popcorn-flick creation, it's 25 years of nostalgia that has elevated it to something more.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    In a day and age where most filmmakers are pussy-whipped slaves

    by Lobanhaki

    You want to extend that pussy-whipped condition to two of the most bold and innovative filmmakers of the twentieth century? Really. Lucas may have made a few bad choices in his restoration, but he's updated and improved The original Star Wars movies so they could stand besides the massively scaled effects extravaganzas that are the prequels. Heck, Star Wars was beginning to feel small-scaled in relation to Empire and Jedi; what do you think it would have looked like next to a massive project like Attack of the Clones? As for Spielberg and ET, I hardly see any problem with the changes he made. A few ET animations went overboard, but that's it. For anybody who's really worried about film history, Star Wars has been preserved in the national film registry and Spielberg has included the original ET on the DVD. But I digress. It takes a great deal of willpower to do revisions of this nature on one's own movie, knowing you will be judged for the results. Most filmmakeers won't take the chance of being wrong. And that tends to extend to their other work. They'll string together cliches and call it a movie, and perhaps produce it in an original manner. But in the end, they will fall into their rut, and they will take you with with them, and you will see nothing to write home to momma about in the theatres. The daring, original voices, giving you the exciting and rich work you want will be replaced by stifled and formulaic voices giving you the tired old work they think you want and believe you deserve. The question is, do you trust your filmmakers to make good movies? If so, trust them to revise them, the way a literary audience trusts the author to make his or her work definitive. Otherwise, just keep on keeping your low expectations, which feed into the power of those who are too lazy to fulfill anything else.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Weedon Bec made my bus route longer

    by Rod Hull

    There really is more pressing things to get worked up about. Although Lucas is a bit of a capatalist whore in the way he releases Special Edition after edition and so forth, he has been honest about his intentions. When I bought my ridiculously overpriced Executor VHS boxset I knew it was the last time I'd be able to get my mits on the original Trilogy because Lucas stated that it would be. Similarly Peter Jackson told everyone he'd be releasing two versions of LOTR in the space of three months but nobody seemed that bothered. And as for all of this raping childhood wank, the Special Editions only really fucked up in the Greedo/Han scene. The song in ROTJ was equally bad to the already appalling original version, likewise to the Victory Celebrations. Yub Nub was fun but rather underwhelming considering what they'd achieved. Empire on the other hand was nothing if not improved greatly what with the Snow Speeders looking less unreal (and transparent), the Wampa actually looking like a monster rather than a viscious arm and Cloud City looking like a city rather than an inhabited hub cap. People, chill out. Even though they've been tinkered with the original trilogy still rule over any pretender for the story and superb acting from Messrs Ford, Fisher, Jones and Guiness and that's always going to be safe. I hope.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Thank God for technology

    by RickP66

    To paraphrase Jesus, "the bootlegs you will always have with you." To paraphrase Lucas "the bootlegs will be with you...always."

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by _Mohss

    We should all make a point to Lucas that he's fucked with something precious to us twenty/thirty somethings. I've gone to both 'prequels' hoping for the love that was in the original I saw and re-visit every year on on my limited edition VHS. Every time I experience it groaning, sighing, rolling my eyes. I mean, the last one was better than the first, but it was still a piece of shit as far as film-making goes. If he won't give me the original -- the movie that me and several other million people saw time and time again, ENSURING it's success -- if he won't reward ME for making his film successful, then I take off my glove, slap him in the face and in my best possible French accent say 'Ferk you, monsieur.' We all need to band together to show Lucas how big a dildo he is.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    M. Jackson's kid calls SW2 'BORING'!

    by KONG33

    I thought that was hilarious, and MJ said, 'I think he's got a good point there.' HaHa! Anyway, GL should work more than every 25 years for his money, stop jerking people around.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Fuck Rick and Silent George, Fuck them up their stupid asses

    by Randall Flagg

    I have both versions on LD. Fuck the DVD. As Gwar once said "Let the battle cry go forth, which is give the people what they want, and what the people want could only be [BOTH FUCKING VERSIONS ON DVD]!" Excellent advice Harry. I will not be buying the DVD unless GL pulls his head out of his ass and listens to his fans for a change.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Wow, this is a crying shame

    by Andel Crodo

    Well, it is.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Meh - Lucus says alot of things

    by spider15

    For example, if anyone else is old enough to remember, a few months into the original theatrical release of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" in 1981, an ad campaign for the film appeared insisting that the only way anyone would ever be able to see the film would in a theater, vowing that the film would never be released on video or shown or cable- or broadcast TV. So what happened within five years? "Raiders" was available on video, and being shown on TV. So who knows? Lucus might just be blowing smoke again. Let's hope.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:02 a.m. CST

    George here

    by Mr Lucas

    has anyone seen my neck? It was around here somewhere. I think I lost it some time in the mid-eighties. . . my neck I mean . . .

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by Tetsuo_2000

    fuck george lucas i hope he dies in a buring inferno of skywalker racn while he watches his wife drive off with another man

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by Bad Guy

    I own the original trilogy on widescreen vhs and on laserdiscs. Looks like I'm getting into the bootlegging business. Ebay, here I come! Thanks George. Muaaahaaaahaaaaahaaa!!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by RenoNevada2000

    Sure the first film is on the National Registry, but not all three. Besides, what does that really mean? There's a copy of it at the Library of Congress (I think), but that's it! Unless the Registry launches its own line of DVDs (Which, due to all the rights issues involved I doubt would ever happen), we, the general film audience, aren't going to see it! Hell, I could start a "Reno's Registry of Great Movies" and name the original, unaltered trilogy, the 8 hour cut of Greed, London After Midnight and Gilliam's The Man Who Killed Don Quixote to the list. I just doesn't mean anyones going to get to see any of those films.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:15 a.m. CST

    When did you internet geeks suddenly have a say in how a directo

    by HansDelbruck

    I like to come to this site to check out the 'cool news' and maybe good scoop here and there, but I swore I'd never participate in one of these childish talkbacks; but enough is enough. George Lucas CREATED a wonderful universe that we all fell in love with in 1977. I'm not going to debate where that magic came from, whether it was the effects, the story, the characters or whatever. The fact is it was magic then and I think it still is. The amount of work that it takes to write these stories and get them onto the big screen is enormous. Stop and think anout it. Hundreds of people, thousands and thousands of man-hours, millions of dollars, -in short, getting a movie made (even shitty ones) is a HUGE undertaking. Yet you geeks, who think its a big fuckin' deal just to get a sentence or two on the internet, feel like you have some kind of say in this mans decisions. Now you're gonna say 'I spent my childhood and all my money on Lucas' movies, he owes me something in return'. BULLSHIT. It's his creative vision. In the end he has to please himself. In fact I give the man immense credit for sticking to his guns after all these years of taking shit from every little self-appointed movie critic with a computer. Imagine sinking all the time and effort into a film only to have it picked apart piece by piece like NO OTHER FILMS IN HISTORY. "He should've done this... Why did he do that?..." He didn't HAVE to do any of it, I think he probably has enough cash to live on for the rest of his life don't you? Which is another good point to talk about while i'm pissed off- the 'Lucas is just GREEDY' attitude. If this guy was out to make as much money as possible don't you think he'd give in to all of the 'make the films darker, more violent, less kiddie stuff' suggestions? If the prequels were rated 'R' with lots of bloody battles, lots of swearing and if Amidala got her tits out once or twice they'd be the most the most amazing movies ever! Right? WRONG! I'm glad Georgie Boy has the stones to keep things true to his vision. Do I think the prequels are as good as the originals? Sure. It's all one big story to me. The prequels have given me those same chills when the pieces start to fall together. Of course I'd rather not have the fart jokes, the slapstick droid routine etc. But thats always been part of the STAR WARS universe. Look at the original trilogy with the same eyes as the prequels and you'll see plenty of the same things you people bitch about in the prequels. Even in the precious ESB... 'oh look I thought we were in a cave but wait-WE'RE IN A WORM! - If that scene were in the prequels it would be laughed at more than Jar Jar. And if Yoda were introduced today with his 'Fozzie Bear' voice? - forget about it! When did this 'I dare you to entertain me' attitude come about? And this utter hatred of someone who makes something that strays even a little from what we expect. It's really kind of frightening - or pathetic. I hope George puts these DVD's out whenever and however he damn well pleases. He's gonna catch shit from you geeks either way. I remember that George's original plan was not to release any DVD's until the whole saga was complete and he could put them out in a final official 'STAR WARS SAGA the way it was meant to be' set. But you people bitched - 'we want them now, we can't wait any longer for these films that we seem to hate so much'. And so Lucas relents and gives you the prequel DVD's early-a good thing right? WRONG! The very same people who wanted them early are saying 'THE GREEDY BASTARD IS MAKING US BUY THEM NOW WHEN HE KNOW'S WE'LL BUY THE WHOLE SET LATER!! Am I right? I say be happy you're getting anything because if I were George Lucas I'd be so pissed off at my 'Loyal Fan Base' that I wouldn't even make Episode III! What's the point he's gonna get cussed out, screamed at and bashed apart no matter what he does, just for furthering his vision. Love Ya George. (You knit-pickers can bitch about my grammar and writing skills if you wish but I've said what I have to say.)

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:17 a.m. CST

    And one more thing-Harry's not gona buy the DVD's-who the fuck d

    by HansDelbruck

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:21 a.m. CST

    FUCK HIM. Lucas will not get ONE PENNY of my money, I'll happil

    by minderbinder

    If he wants to released updated versions, fine that's his perogative. But the movies I love are the originals, not the inconsistent ranging from cool to completely shitty new ones. THE ONLY WAY HE'LL LISTEN IS TO HIT HIM WHERE IT HURTS: His pocketbook. Boycott the SW dvd's unless the originals are released (and get a bootleg instead if you need it).

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:37 a.m. CST

    What no more Jabba?

    by Ewokwarrior

    I can't believe this! We'll never again see the part where Jabba eats Bubba Fett's jetpack and burps flames, or the scene where Chewbawka has dinner with his family of Twookies! This is the worst news the Ewok has gotten since he found out that Darf Nader was Luka's uncle! Oh well, what else can I say but, "Jub jub?"

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Actually would it really be illegal for someone who owns the mov

    by Smeg For Brains

    When you buy the film in any form you are buying the rights to view it, not just own that video tape. It's the same as downloading mp3's of music you own in another format. If you own the original in one form or another it is technically not illegal to download an mp3 to listen to on your PC, or mp3 player. It just saves you the trouble of recording the mp3 from your legit album or tape. You have the right to make backups for personal use of anything you buy, so if you own the widescreen original trilogy tape set, then having a bootleg DVD set is only having a backup of what you already own in a different format. You could make them yourself, but the quality wouldn't be as good from VHS. Even if I can't get a bootleg DVD set of the original versions (so far all the dvds I've seen on ebay are special editions) once I get a DVD burner I am eventually going to make DVD copies of my tapes to preserve them for the future. I legally can do that, and so can everyone else. Lucas is losing out on a HUGE amount of money here, and I think that when the bootlegs of the originals become rampant he will try to crack down on them bigtime, but I also hope he realizes that he could put out the originals and do two things. 1. make that money himself. 2. make all his fans HAPPY! I have no problem with him prefering the SE, and even using those in the official continuity of the serise, but that doesn't mean that the originals should just disolve into the ether. He should realize that they won't anyway, and he should put them out in some DVD form. I would gladdly buy them and the Special Editions in seperate sets. I'm going to anyway with a (legal for me to have) bootleg set.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Glad I have the Holy Trilogy on THX Laserdisc

    by Silver Shamrock

    They laughed at my big silver discs that look like cap't america's shield. Well who's laughing now motherfucks??

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:52 a.m. CST

    My pitiful fan's two cents worth

    by WarDog

    George Lucas, you FUCKING MORON! Can't you at the very least give us diehard fans who made you what you are today a choice? Even that pussy Spielberg is allowing two versions of E.T. on DVD! DAMN IT! Well, I guess I'll just have to keep my ORIGINAL VERSIONS on VHS until I die.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Wow, it's shocking how many people are DEFENDING George.

    by minderbinder

    Let's see, he's only taken some of the most beloved films of all time and refused to release the versions that made him a billionaire. If you want to watch the new versions, that's great, but what POSSIBLE argument can you make for not releasing the originals as well. This whole "the originals weren't finished" arguement is complete bullshit - IF THE OT WASN'T FINISHED, HE SHOULDN'T HAVE FUCKING RELEASED THEM.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, noon CST

    Ms. Alice, thank you....

    by DocPazuzu

    ... for stating a truth that has over the years become labeled as unassailable -- that Campbell is, in fact, anything but a master of the bloody obvious. While there certainly are som parallels that can be drawn between his work and SW, it never rises to the level of actually becoming clever or even marginally interesting. Like you stated, it's far too general and sweeping to amount to anything. Campbell is the pompous, empty anthropological and cultural equivalent to George Plimpton and Aaron Brown. Doc out.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 12:12 p.m. CST

    THX Laserdiscs = definitive edition...

    by James Bond

    ...and I've got 'em. Fock the CAV mongo version as changing discs 3 times is stoopid. My LD player flips sides automatically so I change the disc ONCE throughout each film, and that's better than watching the Special Bastardization Edition on DVD. Bought the prequels as curiosities. Not gonna buy the SBEs. Sorry George, but you suck.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Of course, that should be "NOTHING but a master of the bloody obvious"..

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Koosbane has the solution.

    by Johnny Dagger

    It's very simple - take a DVD recorder, and make your own DVDs of the originals. True, it won't be widescreen, and you won't get any fancy extras on the DVD, and then there's the fact that the only DVD recorders I've seen so far cost around 800 / 900 dollars....but still, if you want to save your beloved original trilogy from this avaricious BUTCHER, burning your own DVDs may be the only way to go.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 12:26 p.m. CST

    addendum 2

    by DocPazuzu

    err... I mean "anything"... sorry, coffee hasn't taken hold yet...

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Fine, I'll kill him and ransom his skin until it happens.

    by Gary Yogurt


  • Feb. 7, 2003, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by :-o

    THANK you!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Who gives a toss?!

    by TheGinger Twit

    I've got them all on Video in Widescreen, and in the far future, when we learn that all this spectacular DVD technology is only good for 20 years before they deteriorate and jump ,skip and fart... well - we'll all be wishing for the days back when we could sit back with a video, beer in one hand, tit in the other, saying I remember when this world was clean.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by 007-11

    This man has been living a lie, the special editions SUCKED. You hear me you pompadoured fuck?! I don't want to see any fucking dance routines in Jabba's lair, I don't want all of the new crappy extras, I want the real stuff!!!! Here we've all been under the assumption that this man created something amazing and wonderful, and it turns out it's all bullshit. I'm not some fatassed over 30 year old living in his parents basement. I was born the year Jedi came out. An underground ring of video to DVD transfers must be created. I'm really glad my family got that last video set of the originals Lucas put out. Of all the oppurtunities to make money he passes on. Just go fuck yourself you hack. By the way, I didn't want to say anything before but now, on a TV screen as opposed to a computer screen your Hulk looks pathetically cartoonish. The Aussies still rule your lame ass.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Surprised ? No. Disappointed ? (sigh) Yes !

    by RobinP

    They're Lucas's property so I guess he can release whatever version he likes. My guess is that there'll be some more tinkering and fine tuning before they see the light of day on DVD. I heard a rumor that he's been filming scenes, while on location for TPM & AOTC to be added in to the original trilogy already to make them fit in better with the continuity, so be warned. It's a damn shame, though that he won't re-release the original versions. Still, I have my VHS boxed set to comfort me in my old age. Harry, sad to say fella, you must be delusional if you feel that the shiney disc buying public will heed your call to arms and refuse to buy the set when it comes. They'll be the biggest DVD event of all time. Let's just hope that the set will be once and for all DEFINITIVE !

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Star Whores!

    by mtoast

    Star Whores. Ha. "Whores!" Ha. It's a rhyme and it's funny AND it really makes you think. Really. Think about it. Hey, this comment is as intelligent as any dialogue in the last two movies. I mean, if you're an idiot, you don't have to be pretentious about it. I like Count Chocula cereal and my Wonder Twins Underoos(TM) are tattered and stained!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 1:55 p.m. CST

    by Real Deal

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2 p.m. CST

    Harry, why do you condone CENSORSHIP?

    by Vonn - the Omen

    When an outisde entity forces an artist to release a version of his/her art that is against the wishes of the artist, is this not censorship? Your argument that George should release the originals because they were the ones that won the awards is flawed. Stanley Kubrick's films were released to the theaters in widescreen, but on DVD (due to the director's wishes) all but 2001 are full frame, definitely to the detriment of those of us owning widescreen TVs, and currently, there never will be widescreen DVD versions of Full Metal Jacket or Eyes Wide Shut or Dr. Strangelove (thedigitalbits mentions that this was originally shown in widescreen, inspite of the movie's mulitple aspect ratios). The widescreen editions of those were the ones up for awards and consideration. Some of those films are the best ever made (certainly in the case of Full Metal Jacket and Dr. Strangelove), but Kubrick made the artistic choice that the widescreen version will be lost. But, you have not said a word on this. Imagine the outcry if Lucas decided never to release a widescreen version of SW on DVD. You know, you would be the first to complain. Universal's cut of American Griffiti (not Lucas') was the one up for the Academy Awards. Now, Lucas' cut is the one that is released on DVD, not the one that was up for the awards. Yet you remain silent on that issue as well. You simply detest the way Kubrick had to put digital figures in Eyes Wide Shut ( though even he approved the change in the US version). You proclaimed it as censorship that the artist had to succomb to outside forces. But, here, you are demanding that Georg Lucas (one of the most visionary filmmakers ever) succomb to outside forces and release the version he does NOT approve of. Sure, some of his changes you may not like, but you should at least respect the artist's intent. If Da Vinci put a mustache on the Mona Lisa, would you dare demand that he release both the one with the mustache and the one without? There has to be a point when the artist has the final word on his own work. George didn't intend to change the world or create a cult with Star Wars ( inspite of Franci Coppola's insistence that he should make the force a real religion). He didn't intend for an entire generation to grow up literally worshipping his work. He has said it over and over again, he wanted Star Wars to impart the morals of right and wrong. He did not say he wanted Star Wars to shape the childhoods of millions of people. He doesn't want that, and he doesn't cater to it. He still sees Star Wars as his art, and he wants it to be complete. As I said before, there has to be a point when the artist has the final word on his own work (whether you like the changes or not), and I implore you, Harry, to rethink your argument on this and maintain some consistency. You cannot abhor one form of censorship and openly embrace another. Forcing George to release a version of his work that he sees as unfinished and inferior is the SAME thing as CENSORSHIP. What you are trying to do, Harry, is the same thing Universal did to Brazil, and if you ask Terry Gilliam, I bet you he would say he wishes Criterion never preserved Universal's cut of that film.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:01 p.m. CST

    by GypsyTRobot

    Seemed like an appropriate time to repost the link. Oh and some of us sophisticated, mature geeks actually appreciate older movies, yes even black & white, even silents. We can handle the old FX from Shreck's Nosferatu to Harryhausen's skeletons. It's the soul not the $$$ which makes a movie good, that's why Jason & The Argonauts will always be better than some big budget piece of shit like The Haunting. I wish some of you CGI-worshippers could have seen the Star Wars models up close, they're fucking amazing, and for my money they look more realistic on film than any CGI I've ever seen.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Old vs New

    by Real Deal

    You guys do remember that these are his films. To do with what ever he wants. To hear Harry talk you would think he made Star Wars. I have the SEs on laserdisc and aside from one scene ( you know the one I'm talking about : those aren't the droids you're looking for ) where I found the extra stuff distracting from the dialog I think they are superior. I remember even back in 77 thinking the Death Star explosion was underwhelming. The new version is much better and has more impact. And yes I'm still sore about Mr. Ego's review of Nemesis.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Hear George for yourself.

    by jedislave

    You can download the mp3's of lastnight tribute over at check it out

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Uncle, I think we collectively jumped the shark

    by GypsyTRobot

    We will always remember System Maintenance with fondness. The only way Harry can save the TB realm is throwing out a series of Superman movie articles (with manufactured rumors if need be). Everyone feels better after a romp through the outraged posts of comic book geeks.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:22 p.m. CST

    This is a shock?

    by usagibrian

    Is ANYONE surprised by this? I'm certainly not. It's a great pity too. There were two things that made the IMAX AOTC superior to the theatrical release: 1) pace--AOTC had to be cut to two hours, no more, to fit on the IMAX platter, which did nothing but help it and 2) matte lines--several of the enlarged shots were blow up so far you could see the joints in the effects shots and all of a sudden it looked like a Star Wars movie instead of a cartoon. It's a stupid decision, but they belong to Lucas, and he's free to make whatever stupid decision he wants concerning their disposition.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:25 p.m. CST

    The only Special Edition that I didn't like was A NEW HOPE

    by Voice O. Reason

    The other two were just fine by me. The changes made to A NEW HOPE were lame, and there's no way you'll ever convince me that Lucas always intended for Greedo to shoot first. We've all heard that this is the way it was "meant to be", but I say that's a major crock. (I do like the extra Biggs dialogue, though.)

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Lucas loves sodomizing the fanboys

    by Moosehead1867

    Anyone notice the similarities between Michael Jackson and George Lucas? Both are repressed anal loners. Both are attracted to little children and both enjoy sodomy. If the fanboys stopped buying their shit then they would disappear but no, they keep evil alive.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:26 p.m. CST

    jarjar25 your an idiot

    by dogfish112

    I'm glad you think that the two towers was better than episode 2 but this is a talkback about the original trilogy on DVD. If you hate starwars so much why are you reading this story? Go away

  • Star Wars "special editions" were maimed by an incompetent director much like NOTLD where as the Abyss, Aliens and T2 were all new scenes added that were usually shot at or close to the time by the director at the top of his game. If they had a special edition of Star Wars with extra scenes that Lucas filmed AT THE TIME (like the one of Luke watching the opening scene from the planet) then I would be there. But this is akin to John Carpenter (who's is way past his prime) going back and shooting stuff for Escape from NY. That would suck ass and ruin the film if he "improved" it so NO I wouldn't watch that SE DVD. BUT if they restored a scene that was shot at the time by him then I would be there. I would also be more apt to see "new" footage from guys like Jackson and the Wachowskis who are on the top of their game then guys like Speilberg and Carpenter and Lucas who's films now blow and are trying to recapture PAST glory. Cause that's all it feels like. If Jackson NEVER has another real hit and goes back to LOTR in 20 years and starts reshooting shit and all of his "new" films look like crap at the time I would be equally alarmed and not want to see it. LUCKILY. I have my box set of LOTR Fellowship...

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by ripper t. jones

    I imagine we WILL see the orgional versions on DVD, when and ONLY when Lucas needs to bankroll another project.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by Raul Endymion

    1. If you have to use profanity in lieu of evocative adjectives and adverbs, you have no right to criticize anyone else, especially an accomplished professional. In the words of Woody Allen, you're "Sub-Mental". Try again when you can walk without using your knuckles. 2. Think about the SW Saga in a hundred years. It will look to future generations the way that Flash Gordon serials look to us now, outdated camp. Stop criticizing Lucas for YOUR OWN limitations. It's just a movie. Spend some time figuring out what makes the saga resonate with you and millions of persons from hundreds of different cultures. Do like Lucas has suggested and pick up a copy of Joseph Campbell's Hero of a Thousand Faces. Expand your mind. Save your criticism for things that matter. Criticizing Lucas is small and petty. 3. BTW, Anakin is a clone of either the Emperor or Dooku. I still havent decided which. Chew on that one oh Fannish Ones!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 2:49 p.m. CST

    EATER OF SCROTUMS!!!!!!!!!

    by General Idea

    this of course comes as a surprise to no one...

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by epitone

    "It takes a great deal of willpower to do revisions of this nature on one's own movie.." No, it takes a great deal of willpower NOT to do revisions of this nature on one's own movie. It shows that Lucas doesn't enough faith in himself or his work to let his movies stand the way they are.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Do you know how George Lucas first came into being?

    by Bastard Bunny

    He was a film-maker once. He crafted gems like THX1138 and American Graffiti. Then he made Star Wars, a film which was good at the time but now looks insipid and childish, with poor dialogue, mostly bad acting and a leading man so anti-charismatic he leaches any vitality from a scene he is in. Why can't he just let it go? He must know that he's just a stock joke by now. He reminds me very much of Michael Jackson, cocooned by wealth and yes-men, insulated from harsh reality and denying the truth that his talent has long since faded away.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Sammy Says...

    by EvilSamNeill! As AICN's official studio shill, I laugh at you in your pockmarked, sagging little faces! I spit in the general direction of your outdated special effects fetishes and your putrid love of keeping the Holy Writ of "Greedo Shoots First" above that of the God That Is A Man, George Lucas's wants and needs! Go back and cry on your outdated frisbees and video tape collections! The studios have your dreams hostage! And they're not giving them back without NITRO HOT CASH INJECTIONS...or a sad, but heartwarming E-Mail campaign where thousands of geeks, freaks and weirdos pouring their hearts out for our amusement! BOW AND SCRAPE! Then we might just give you what you want. Till then, Sammy loves long as you love me 5 times as much back.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:40 p.m. CST

    What is wrong with Lucas?

    by cyber

    Do you know how much money Lucas would make if he put out a boxset with both versions of the trilogy? What an idiot!! Good thing I saved my lds

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Yet another reason why Spielberg is better than Lucas.

    by Rollo Tomassi

    Spielberg's decision to include the original theatrical version of "E.T." on the DVD, as opposed to this news from Lucas, is a further sign of which is the better artist/filmmaker.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Lucas a clone?

    by Kid Z

    If only! At least clones are replicas of human beings. Though laboratory-manipulated, clones still have human DNA. Deep down, they still share the hopes, fears and dreams of any humanoid being. Lucas has none of that. He doesn't even register any sort of personality at all. He is an automaton, sans the programming for human interaction. Let's face it... Lucas is a "moisture vaporator"!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:07 p.m. CST

    my vhs are safe!

    by drjones

    i have to agree with harry on this...really sad news! and i can`t really add anything to your words. except that he`s the "artist" of that whole stuff he "manipulates". though....... shouldn`t rather the directors of esb and rotj be asked. i mean george is the creator but i don`t really think he`s got the right to do that fuck!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:08 p.m. CST

    glad i have the LDs!

    by duo2sonic

    i'm sure glad i got the final regular editions on dvd in widescreen. i had a feeling i was doing the right thing. in fact, i just watched all 3 this week on a kick ass widescreen tv and it made me sad thinking future generations may not have that experience. this just confirms that. at least if i have kids they'll see the proper versions!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Harry is clearly ignorant of DVD technology!!!

    by Robertblood

    And to all of you who think they are buying some timeless document of film history for $20, I am here to tell you that DVD's, just like CD's DETERIORATE OVER TIME!!!Natural atrophy, albeit less so than VHS,occurs on the play surface of DVD's causing a NOTICIABLE DETERIORATION AFTER JUST 10 YEARS! The first CD's I ever bought all sound like complete shit now. Harry, get a clue and realize there are more mediums to come and other chances for the originals to be released. I would also like to point out that since owning the ET DVD, I have watched the original version exactly 0 times!!! Sure the walkie-talkies suck, but the DTS and remastered video rules.

  • Authors have been doing this kind of thing for almost...well, for almost as long as there have been written works. That's why there are second editions of books, third, fourth, etc. If George Lucas wants to make changes, he's the creater, why the hell shouldn't he? Don't like it? Don't buy the damn things. For my part, I think the original trilogy of films (well, ANH and ESB, at any rate) are important enough contributions to cinema and American culture in general to belong in my DVD collection in whatever form their creator decides they should have, so I'm buying 'em. Ya'll are free to stand on your fanboy soapboxes and continue to be the arrogant obsessive asses that give all fans a bad name. Or you could just shut up and not buy them if you're pissed. Whichever.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Han shot first!

    by ArchDiver

    And he will always shoot first on my video copy of the trilogy, which will remain encased in shrinkwrap for all eternity. I may dip it in lucite and bury it in an artic wasteland, so that there will always be an original version out there. And Lucas' ghost will be cursed to walk the Earth for eternity, constantly searching for that last original version that he wishes to have expunged!**** I'm not in the pissing on Lucas camp, I agree with Enigma on this point. You fanboys treat him like the Athenians treated Alcibiades, alternately bestowing laurels and issuing death warrants. It's ridiculous. He has done too much and given us too much to deserve such a fate. But I will not spend my money on the SE DVDs. I don't like that I won't be able to get the originals on DVD (legally), but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over it. (I still think in 5 years the original version DVDs will be released after SE sales wane. It will be a mondo version with both original and SE cuts in it, as well as extensive behind the scenes material. It'll be about a 9-disc set, and will first sell for about $299. We'll pony up the cash, won't we?) AD out

  • George has always said that Star Wars is one story told in 6 chapters. He is not going to release the OT or the OT-SE on DVD - hs is going to release the final three chapters. What will they be? Films that resemble the movies you remember from childhood for the most part, but that have been reworked so that they have the "look" of Chapters 1, 2 and 3. The OT is and always has been a work in progress, until Lucas was finally able to present his six part story to the world. Don't fool yourself. The OT has been scanned into ILM computers, digitized and cleaned up, and as you read this a small team of ILM artists are in the process of sexing them up to look more like Lucas' 21st century version of the Star Wars universe. The explosions will be bigger and more exciting. The Millennium Falcon will sound amazing as it flys from the front of your living room to the back. Digital props and actors will be dropped in here and there to fill up any empty space on the screen. Minor edits, dialog changes and reworked plot points will be made to better match up with the prequels. And then they will take their place in history as the final three chapters of the Star Wars saga. A handful of aging fanboys will cry, scream and write hate letters that will never be read by anyone that matters, but the rest of the human population will view and accept Lucas' final vision as the one and true Star Wars. Maybe it will be wonderful or maybe it was suck so hard that Star Wars will become a footnote in film history - but that is how it will happen.

  • This is ridiculous. I can't believe this. I just... can't... fucking... believe this. I may not be the Star Wars fan that Harry is, but I'm still a pretty damn big SW nut. First, the shit that is Attack of the Clones. Now this. Fuck Lucas.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Bootleggers, you know what to do...

    by mthiel1977

    ...or if you don't now what to do, rip all 3 films from the 1995 Widescreen laserdiscs, and put them on DVD-R or CD-R. Distribute them on P2P networks like eDonkey and eMule. Give Lucas the message that we won't accept the SE changes!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Remember the new Coke??

    by Darth Hall

    I wouldn't get your panties in a wad just yet. Remember back in the eighties when the new "improved" formula Coca-cola came out and replaced the old formula. The Coca-cola company vowed to never make the old style Coke ever again. Well, guess what? Coke Classic came out faster than you can say, Chapter 11. I'm sure the fanboys of the world (myself included) will inundate Mr Lucas with piles of letters and emails showing just what a tremendous mistake this will be. If for some unGodly reason he chooses to never see the light, at least some of us can rest assured with the fact that we are lucky enough to own the Definitive Collection on LaserDisc. Sucks to be the rest of you. Sorry. Perhaps someone will make a bootleg copy on DVD from the LaserDiscs. That seems to be the only real way to get Georges attention. If someone else starts making money off his beloved Star Wars, you can bet your ass he'll take notice then. Stand up and be counted. We want our Star Wars!!! The REAL Star Wars!!! Dammnit George, listen to the fans for once. Please!!! Peace out all. Go Buccaneers!!!!

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Harry is obviously right

    by Bryan

    I know everybody has to prove that they aren't a nerd by attacking anyone who cares about this. But you're just being silly. I mean how can you seriously argue that this is a good idea? Personally, I am not an obsessive Star Wars fan, but I do enjoy the movies and they were a big part of my childhood. In fact, I'm not even as picky as most people - I enjoyed both prequels on some level, and thought some of the changes in the Special Editions were good ideas. But others were mistakes. Say goodbye to the musical number in Jabba's palace, widely imitated on the playgrounds of the mid-'80s and infinitely superior to the clueless cgi "Jedi Rocks" sequence that replaced it. Gone also is the Ewok song, the originality of the "monster that is just a hole" (now a venus flytrap) and other things that to me made these movies great. Nobody is saying this is the Taliban blowing up the Buddha statues. But that doesn't mean it's not stupid. I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked the special editions better than the originals. There is no reason not to include the actual movies that everyone loves as a special bonus disc or as a separate release (unless they'd be embarassed by it outselling the special editions).

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by FearMonkey

    He was forced to release them by the studios. Now that's he's an independently wealthy independent fimmaker, he can do whatever the hell he wants to with HIS movies. I love the SEs. The only thing I dislike is Greedo shooting first. Big deal. Greedo still dies. It doesn't really affect the overall story. Just like taking Tom Bombadil out of LOTR doesn't really affect the overall story.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST

    "You should really begin to rethink your life....

    by chickenmonkey

    If you sell death sticks and illegal spice. Obey your thirst and drink some sprite. Just before a duel or just before a fight. Adventure and excitement a Jedi craves not. Resist the carnal pleasures of crack and pot. Danger you should never seek. By riding on an angry Reek. Fight the urge to dance and sing. For balance to the Force, you must bring." Barry, I take back every negative thing I ever said about you. This work of genius (Ep IV reduced to 30 pithy lines!) actually, honestly, puts George Lucas to shame. Your gift of storytelling outshines his in all respects. Your rhythmic devices kept my interest and propelled the plot in a way Lucas's flashy graphics and over-the-top melodrama could never achieve. The cohesiveness and terseness of your narrative surpasses any of his weak and belabored plotting. Keep up the good work, my friend. And if the apocalypse comes, I promise I will beep you.

  • The SEs kicked fucking ass, ok, the original versions were good, but how in hell can someone say "I like looking at Tie Fighters dangaling on string" or "The beauty of the Death Star blowing up" Come on, it looked like crap. It is one thing to say "I wish I could get the non SEs on DVD" I sure would, but it is another to say "The SEs fucking blew, because I enjoy crappy effects because that is the way I first saw it" And Lucas should just cut that Greedo shooting first out.

  • The SEs kicked fucking ass, ok, the original versions were good, but how in hell can someone say "I like looking at Tie Fighters dangaling on string" or "The beauty of the Death Star blowing up" Come on, it looked like crap. It is one thing to say "I wish I could get the non SEs on DVD" I sure would, but it is another to say "The SEs fucking blew, because I enjoy crappy effects because that is the way I first saw it" And Lucas should just cut that Greedo shooting first out.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST

    BOYCOTT Raul Endymion!

    by minderbinder

    The fuck can't even spell "boycott".

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:02 p.m. CST

    "When an outisde entity forces an artist to release a version of

    by minderbinder

    At this point, there's no way in hell I consider Lucas an "artist". All current evidence seems to support the idea of a hack who had good people helping him out and got lucky. I hate to say this, but Lucas makes an enormous case AGAINST filmmakers having creative control and FOR giving studios (committees?) the final say. Censorship my ass. If he wants to have creative control, let him spend his own money...oh, wait...he's done that and we've ended up with the shit prequels (hell, AOTC didn't even do all that well at the box office...#4 for the year). BOYCOTT ALL LUCAS PRODUCT. Bootlegs, here I come.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Lucas u stupid fuck

    by themidnighter23

    who do I write to to bitch out Lucas and company? <p> this is a very stupid idea and he should hear about it from all his (scratch that, Star Wars) fans. If he continues with this stupid idea of just the special edition, then the hell with him... Ill find it bootlegged and I will never give him money ever again... <p>goodbye Indiana Jones goodbye star wars toys goodbye goodbye, you were more fun when money wasnt your goal.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:05 p.m. CST


    by starlore2001

    I thought Lucas would come to his senses and just release the original movies on DVD just to shut us up! The SE's suck and he knows it. Hopefully he dies soon because he's making shit movies now and destroying the good ones he's made. I usually do not wish death on anyone, cause it's bad karma, but he is basically telling anyone who loves the original movies that they don't matter. And that PISSES me off to no end. Just the fact he is going out of his way to piss so many people off is unforgivable. Fine, you don't like the original movies, we get the point. Why do you have to be a prick and release every kind of bullshit merchandise slapped with a Star Wars logo on it, but you will not release the one thing that matters. You deserve death. All I can say is buy the bootlegs. As soon as I have a DVD burner, I will spread as many copies as possible. Fuck profit, It's personal. And for all of you Lucas bootlickers, go fuck yourself with some Jar Jar Episode III condoms. God bless Spielberg for keeping a classic alive---

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:19 p.m. CST

    "When did you internet geeks suddenly have a say in how a direct

    by minderbinder

    Where the fuck do you think George gets the money to make these movies? Ticket sales. And who pays for those? THE FANS. The fans paid for his mansion. And his cars. And his shitty prequels. I think it's pretty fucking IRONIC that George keeps fucking whining about how the original releases were so inferior, but he's perfectly happy keeping the hundreds of millions of dollars he made from them. At this point, I say fuck episode 3, don't even fucking bother to make it.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:26 p.m. CST

    When will he be satisfied?

    by ncc7475

    Why is it so stupid to want to see the original version of Star Wars? Thats the movie I remember seeing in 1977 when I was 11. Back then it wasn't Episode IV or A New Hope; it was just Star Wars. It's the one that won praise around the world. It's the one that won the Academy Awards. I've seen the Special Edition a number of times but it just doesn't "feel" right. Will I buy the "new improved" version? Yes. Will I like it better than the original version? NO!!! I'm glad I have the laserdisc version.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:45 p.m. CST

    At least you can still look foward to Turkish Star Wars 2

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:47 p.m. CST

    At least you can still look foward to Turkish Star Wars 2

    by Declan_Swartz

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Woodward- I love the Star Wars universe too but when you find yo

    by Stifler's Mom

    Movies. Only movies.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Lucas has just made many Malaysian and Chinese DVD bootleggers v

    by creepykid

    OT DVDs will soon be the hottest item on Ebay and at comic conventions that you have ever seen. The set I currently have is very good. Animated menus, trailers, you name it. I will certainly upgrade them when a better set comes out. All money that I would gladly put in Lucas' pockets if he would let me. From a purely financial perspective, it's an extrememly unintelligent decision. Stupid stupid man.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Hey MINDERBINDER. I'M AN ASSHOLE? Your ridiculous arrogance jus

    by HansDelbruck

    You bought tickets so you should have a say? What? When did that happen? All movies would be MUCH better if every single person who paid for a ticket got to have a hand in the production of, and decisions regarding, every other movie made by that director. BRILLIANT! Why didn't I think of that? BECAUSE IT'S ASSININE-THAT'S WHY!! Here ladies and gentlemen we have another no-talent, left-brained smart-ass telling someone creative what they should be doing. When you've created something that millions of people give a shit about then we'll talk. I paid for tickets too fuckface! You don't like the prequels? Don't go see 'em! But I guess to feel like a man you need to throw around a little hatred at a guy who is only trying to entertain you for a few hours. That's exactly what this world needs - more bad attitude loud-mouths attacking someone who didn't do a goddamn thing to you. Oh thats right he made a movie you didn't like! Call the fuckin' firing squad! I could spend all night explaining why your logic makes absolutely no sense but it would be a waste of my time. I've already let you drag me down far enough into this stupid-ass 'my opinion is fact' battle of words, and that makes me just as bad as you and I'm embarassed. Besides I have a gig to play tonight and then I'm gonna fuck my lovely wife. What are you gonna do?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Guess there will be 3 Star Wars DVDs I won't buy.

    by Daredevil

    Hopefully enough people out there do the same and send a real message to George. I'll buy the DVDs of Eps 1-3, but I'll stick with my THX widescreen copies on tape for Eps 4-6. If enough people would boycott these special edition versions, George may actually get the hint and put out the originals. And you know, all I was wanting was a double sided disc with the original on one side and the special edition on the other, like they sometimes do with widescreen/pan&scan. Then viewers could pick which version they watched. They could have even charged extra for it and I would have bought it....

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Agree with Ancient Lights

    by WayOutWest

    Anyone who camped out and was then given Jar Jar in The Phantom Menace, yet continues to care about this worn out franchise should ball up their fist and start hitting themselves in the head - hard. As my one friend's older brother says, "You deserve what you accept." Don't support any of Lucas' DVD offerings or any new movies he makes.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Colossal Mistake Mr. Lucas

    by one9deuce

    Instead of making the Prequel Trilogy like the Original Trilogy, he is making the Original Trilogy like the Prequel Trilogy. Why? George Lucas was an amazing filmmaker when he was young. Why does extreme wealth, fame, and adulation make people INSANE? The Michael Jackson/George Lucas analogy is so incredibly accurate.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Episode 7,8,9 are coming!!!

    by MJAYACE

    Yes, they are! When do you say? I have no fears that there will be a 7,8,9 in about 25 years or so after Lucas has passed on and the folks at Lucasfilm will be in a bit of a jam for some cash. Always remember this folks, whether it be his kids, his friends or whatever, someone will have the rights to Star Wars in the future and they will need the cash sometime. Someday in the future someone will also remake the originals... Probably when I am about 70 (I'm 30 now). And as for the originals versions not being on DVD--I don't care too much. The only scenes I hated changed was the Solo-Greedo thing, and the "Broadway" show in Jedi. I actually like all the stuff they did in Empire, as well as the end scene of Jedi where they visit the other planets. The rest is small stuff. Out here.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Lucas getting passed by.......bye bye Georgie

    by JMJ

    I think Ol' magic man G. Luc saw the Two Towers, saw Gollum and realized he had just been outdone by the digital wondery. Thats all we needed, Lucas to see someone do digital effects better than him. Now he's really gonna fuck up his movies. "Script, what script?? I'm moving back to silent films." He is so nuts that elephants try to eat him. Hey George, everyones got special effects now. You can go back to somewhat focusing on plot and character. Paging Mr. Ford.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Lucas getting passed by.......bye bye Georgie

    by JMJ

    I think Ol' magic man G. Luc saw the Two Towers, saw Gollum and realized he had just been outdone by the digital wondery. Thats all we needed, Lucas to see someone do digital effects better than him. Now he's really gonna fuck up his movies. "Script, what script?? I'm moving back to silent films." He is so nuts that elephants try to eat him. Hey George, everyones got special effects now. You can go back to somewhat focusing on plot and character. Paging Mr. Ford.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:10 p.m. CST

    One more thing

    by No. 41

    If kids today get exposed to the original cut of "A New Hope," they'll probably laugh at it. The story might still be ok but after seeing the likes of, oh, let's see, dozens of films like ID4 and Armageddon and T2 and the Abyss and LOTR and TTT and, yes, TPM and AOTC...they'd laugh at the effects, even a lot of them in the Special Editions. It'd be like yanking a kid away from his XBox or PS2 and putting them down in front of an Atari 2600. They'd look at you like "What the fuck?" even though they might not even know the word "fuck." Why shouldn't Lucas redo the effects and add new stuff to the background. Hell, in the Special Editions, you still had the fake fireballs when X-Wings crashed into the plastic- and balsa-wood surface of the Death Star. In that sense, he didn't go far ENOUGH with the Special Editions, he should've redone ALL the effects. Yeah, sure, the work on the original films was pioneering stuff, but that's what your tapes are for. Cling to the past if you must. If it's going to be brought forward into DVD, he oughta clean that shit up, honestly, some of it looks terrible. If you can do something better today than you could yesterday, why not do it?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:15 p.m. CST

    I must now bid farewell to the Star Wars galaxy!

    by sprocket-bot

    No more!!! I refuse to see Ep. 3, I will NOT purchase anymore Lucas related products and I will hold dearly my UNFUCKED version of the original trilogy LaserDisc is now my true precious...Lucas has lost what the true Star Wars fan has not, the very soul that is the original trilogy, to those who understand this statement, you are amongst the true fans, the 'touched', to those who sneer at this statement, you are the deprived whom hang on Lucas' every ass hair,..I don't hate you, I merely feel sorry.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:24 p.m. CST

    My God, South Park was right

    by DomisInnerChild

    What's next, all the black and white versions of Night of the Living Dead will be destroyed?

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:24 p.m. CST

    I have NEVER...

    by Evil McSatan

    ...seen a filmmaker who continuously shows such contempt for his fans. What an asshole.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Lucas-Lord of the Asses

    by 900LBGorilla

    Well, Really it is no surprise...George Lucas has been for a long time, is now, and ever shall be, one of the biggest ASSES on the face of the earth...and this is coming from someone who holds ANH and ESB as tied for his favorite movies of aaaaaalll time. Although not a retard-o fanboy that places the newer drivel on a par with LOTR (among MANY other movies), I think that ESB and ANH were the best... GL has PROVEN over and over in the Special Editions and the Prequels that the braincells he has lost over the last few decades were the ones that allowed him to create Star Wars in the fist place...plain and simple Geoarge is now a vacant moron who fucked up both the special editions and the prequels with a grandeur only the insane or idiodic can truly appreciate...yeah Ep II wasn't "bad", it was in fact enjoyable...but a classic it ain't..and really it mainly looks as good as it does because it directly follows the Star Wars movie version of the infamous Star Wars christmas Special...sing Leiah SING! Bottom line...Lucas thinks nothing of the Fans...not one long as we lick his boots and don't criticize him he will deign to acknowledge our existence...otherwise eat what he serves or shut the hell up... BOTTOM LINE: ANH Special Edition and ROT-Jedi Special Edistions SUCKED...the changes were HORRIBLE...Jabba in ANH ruined the character's credibility and continuity for the entire trilogy...Han verbally kicked his slapstick ass around like a bitch the entire scene before stepping on him like a dog...and THIS is what Han is Running from in ESB, and the second greatest villain in ROTJ? I don't think so... ROTJ/SE...won't waste my breath...I'm with Harry on this one...and IF I buy a DVD of this trilogy when it is out...(and I may cave) It will only be a pirated version purchased in a way that will send no $ Geaorge Jackass's way....nope... Lucas's minions could have released a DVD verision of the OT YEARS ago...he would have made a bundle AND he'd make a fortune when he released his updated version....but nope...he would rather be an ass...thanks for the memories George...the fond thoughts when your name was mentioned through the 70 through much of the 90's....and thanks for leaving a taste in many mouths close to shit as the old memories were good when your name is mentioned... ...George is The ULTIMATE poster-boy for fan disrespect in the history of cinema...hey Harry, are you SURE Lucas is not the "brains" behind the D.C. division over at Warner Brothers? I CANNOT BELEIVE that there is more than one person that high up the movie making chain who could fuck the fans with such zealous and effective abandon....couldn't even be planned by the greatest ciminal mind of all time... On another note the guy behind the grassy knoll was rumered to have a beard and be kinda short...hmmmm....

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Get the fuck over it and make your own movie.

    by Azlam Orlandu

    What happens if your LaserDisk player breaks down? Find something else to do. Oh god the humanity! -Az

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:50 p.m. CST

    This talkback is so damn long no one is going to read this, but.

    by JustAnotherGuy

    I'd just like to remind everyone that the best film Lucas has directed is still American Graffiti.

  • Feb. 7, 2003, 11:52 p.m. CST

    No matter what Lucas does with the Double Trilogy

    by Darth Brooks

    it still ends with dancing Teddy Bears. Bwahp-bwap.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Lucas is doing the right thing. It is simple common-sense.

    by AusDan

    I can't believe the stupidity of some people. The special editions are exactly the same as the originals with the only changes being a few small details to improve the effects, and of course some tiny scenes (like the Jabba scene) which I'm sure we ALL want, anyway. If you want to watch the originals, and therefore NOT see the Jaba scene, fine. Why you would want do this, is beyonfd my comprehension. Sure, the changes to the Han/Greedo scene is one we don't like, but big deal. It is nothing. The point is, since the special editions were released on videao a few years ago, I have not once watched the original editions. Not once. I reckon most people on here would be in the same boat. Why watch the originals, when the special editions are exactly the same, but improved (except for the Greedo scene, but like I said who cares?) Harry is crapping on about never again being able to witness the 1977 special effects. WTF?? The vision behind making any movie is to transport the viewer into that world. The moment we start thinking what we are seeing is a special effect we lose that. The special editions fixed that up, cleaned up the movies, and improved them visually. Why in the name of fuck would we even want to see the old versions? Why does anyone want to see X-Wing motion control models instead of improved CGI? Why? The CGI is better. Who here on this site would rather watch the originals when the special editions are the same fucking thing but improved? The special editions were still made and filmed in 1977, 1980 and 1983 respetively. The only difference is that they were improved and cleaned up in 1997. And now because the older versions won't be on dvd, you all complain!! Harry says we won't be able to see the original Death Star explosion! Good! It's crap! The new one is an improved explosion, with the shock wave thing, which is more realistic to what would have happened if a 3,000 mile diamater space station exploded. What in the hell is so good about watching the originals and seeing the old explosion? Why is it so "good" to see this? In the special editions we have the same thing, but improved. I'll bet, since the special editions came out, most of us would have not even watcehd the original editions. And why would we, when they are the same thing as the 1997 versions, but inferior? Wow, I get to see model Tie-fighters instead of CGI. Fantastic. *rolls eyes* Lucas is relaeasing the movies he intended to release. It is simple common-sense that he is only releasing the special edtions. Some of you people have rocks in your heads.The movies are basiclaly the same as what was relaed 25 years ago. The changes are bnot that big, but lie is said, wit the exception of the Greedo scene, the changes have improved the picture. That is why, when we pop Star Wars into our VCR we put in the special editions, and not the inferior originals.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Lucas didn't ruin Star Wars

    by The Z-Frame

    Lucas is Star Wars. Lucas created Star Wars. Lucas does whatever he wants with Star Wars. It's his. I don't own Star Wars, I just buy all the stuff that is related to it. Praise Lucas for giving us the gift of watching and collecting Star Wars. Lucas can do no wrong.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Remember the good old days...

    by Pat Buddha

    When Star Wars was only compared with Star Trek. Now the Lord of the Rings films have been thrown into the mix. I disagree with that poll that says Two Towers was a better film than AOTC. I haven't seen Two Towers, but what I can say from having seen Fellowship is that in truth the prequels and Peter Jackson's movies are comparable in terms of their overall quality. The only difference is that Lord of the Rings is the shiny new toy. It's your perfect new girlfriend who is every bit the person your naggy ex-wife wasn't. At least that's how you percieve it for now. While the books precede Star Wars by 30 or something years, this is the first time they've been given the proper cinematic treatment. Fret not, fellow geeks. Keep bitching away about how the original versions of the OT will never be pressed onto DVD because I think Lucas will cave in. Remember how he wasn't even going to bother releasing any of the movies, even the prequels,until 2005?

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 2:33 a.m. CST

    you people act like this is somehow a big deal

    by jules windex

    OH NO! Inferior fx shots are gone forever! OH NO! A Jabba scene that's easily skippable will always be there! OH NO! Greedo shoots first! What will we do with our lives! Granted, I'd like a ROTJ SE w/o the damn musical number, but you people need to get a damn grip, cuz you all know you're gonna buy these DVDs when they come out.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST


    by loc

    The first thing I want to say is fuck all of y'all who say that Star Wars is dead. I'm sorry to dissappoint you but Star Wars is coming back with a vengeance. Everytime I hear a negative comment about Star Wars it just fills me with joy about how much bullshit they are going to have to swallow when EP3 becomes the biggest motherfucking movie of all times. Mark my words, Star Wars will never die.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 2:47 a.m. CST

    It would be nice to have the originals on DVD but...

    by Jack Ryder

    He told you all before that the old version of Ep.4,5 & 6 were gone and replaced by the specials. If he released the originals again you'd all be bitching about how much of a whore he is to go back on his word. you know, the whore who paid to make his own movies when he had every studio lined up to pay for them. and they would've spent twice what he did to make them. you know, the whore who kept cranking out Star Wars films every 2 years just to cash in on his rabid fan base. oh wait, that's Trek. "From a purely financial perspective, it's an extrememly unintelligent decision. Stupid stupid man. " but, isn't he a whore? Peter Jackson releases 2 versions of his film on DVD, Tarintino is on the 3rd or 4th version of Pulp Fiction and their geniuses. but George is a whore for NOT giving us an other version to buy on DVD. Lucas isn't "hard up for cash" and probably never will be. even if he never makes another Star Wars movie. Lucas runs an empire. he doesn't just sit around making movies from time to time to keep himself he's not like Michael Jackson. Yes it would be nice if Lucas took this opportunity to fix the Greedo scene, and the lightsaber shots where you can see the sticks. "How about if Hitchcock went back and colorized "Psycho" because once he saw color film," hey film buff,Hitchcock remade some of his earlier movies and no one bitches about how much better the old ones were. you people say Lucas has no respect for his fans, can you blame him after reading what's on the thread, foul name calling and death threats. you can hate his decisions but come on people, death threats? worse language than in the South Park movie? how can you people post such crap and expect any one to take you seriously?

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Old school

    by Tuba the Hutt

    I personally would like the original versions released on DVD...growing up seeing them in the theater it is of course BIG nostalgia and would look to high a good quality DVD with the original on it.....I agree that as a fan that is all I am and not one to control the destiny of Lucas or ILM....but I do so love geeking out and talking bout movies....have fun and don't take life too seriously, that's what beer is for

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Any thruth?

    by bouncing ball

    I've heard from friends ( And I work in the effects industry ) that the original 3 films are actually being uprated again so that they bear muster with the prequels. so much so that the effects are being completely replaced with new updated ones. Is this true?

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 6:19 a.m. CST


    by cerebraledema

    instead of all this bullshit rhetoric, why dont you start a petitioning campaign to have both versions put on dvd. that way every asshole that enjoys the star wars movies, special edition or original can be happy...all these stupid comments are getting boring!

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 7:02 a.m. CST


    by Red Raider

    I'll just have someone copy the original, untouched trilogy from videotape(the one released around 1992) to blank dvd disks. _______Memo to George Lucas: I'm sorry you're too stupid to realize there are actually some Star Wars fans who preferred the original trilogy un-enhanced, ie "warts & all". Even Spielberg gave fans the choice of original or enhanced on his dvd release of E.T.! Why is this so hard to do with you. It's not like you don't have the money to accomplish the task. Oh what the fuck, I'm shouting at a wall. FUCK YOU LUCAS!!!

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 8 a.m. CST

    Once again we travel down fuck you George Lucas Blvd.

    by Weeble

    Thank you Harry. And this journey is brought to you by old news. Who shot first? Han or Greedo? Who cares. There are plenty of scenes in the trilogy for Han to show his true colors. All this anger for a scene that wasn't supposed to be in the movie in the first place? Unbeliveable. Leave the furballs alone, you all laughed when that little guy was humping Han's leg and you know it. What good are Boycott's and Bootlegs going to do. Star Wars has always been able to draw people in who don't usually like Sci-Fi or Fantasy. They know some big battle is going to happen in the end and that's why they go. Shit my brother always borrows my SW movies and FF to the last 30 min., and he dosn't even like SW, but he loves the Death Star battle. I don't belive he's ever seen a whole SW movie. Every movie made has a bootleg copy made. Hell, harry wrote his review for ATOC off a bootleg copy, and low and behold, it still made a shit load of money. You can't beat the guy, no matter how good your intentions. After watching the orginal so many times I was happy to see something new, even if it wasn't all that great. But come on guys, aren't making mountains out of molehill's here. The really weren't that bad. Beside's, if anything needs to come out on DVD, it's the Holiday Special. I haven't seen that shit stain since, it first appeared on TV, and god dammit, I miss it. It's so bad it's good.

  • A New Underground Industry Will Be Created Because Of This. As You Read This The Video Pirates Our Cashing In On This News.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Someone Start An Online Petition

    by Roger Thornhill

    If there isn't already one. I want my ORIGINAL VERSIONS of Star Wars on DVD as well as the special editions. The original versions are a part of film history and SHOULD NOT be erased from existence.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 1:30 p.m. CST

    There is only one reason for this

    by ManosTHOF

    Lucas doesn't care what you think. Period. Yes, it is a crock..... Even the pro Lucas camp on this issue must realize that releasing the "new" version of the films along with the "originals" would satisfy EVERYONE and make even more money for Lucasfilm. Spielberg understood that people didn't like his changes to E.T. for example, and made both versions available. Lucas is supposedly a shrewd businessman, and yet he is alienating a big portion of his clientelle. Remember the saying "the customer is always right?" There is money to be made and I think this decision is just pompous and foolish. Whether you liked the SE and "super special upcoming SE" or not, it is just bad business to ram one version down everyone's throats when the original version is what a lot of people want. Hell, many would even own both I am sure! But NO ONE likes to be forced, or told what to buy. It is just money lost, plain and simple. Unless I buy the VCD that is available or some LD bootlegs, I will stick with my videos, thanks........ I have said this before--changing the cantina scene is the equivalent of the Sword Guy shooting at Indy first in Raiders. Don't take a space cowboy and turn him into a PC wimp. Leave that for ROTJ, where it belongs.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by ManosTHOF

    It isn't just the Special Editions that are a problem. And I personally have no "big" problem with the SE, as long as the originals are available. They are like a pice of history. It is like if Michaelangelo was alive today and decided he didn't like the nose on =his "David" statue and gave it the Michael Jackson treatment. But the problem reaches farther than that...... Lucas is already adding stuff into the first three films to "tie it all together". If you want to see Jar-Jar on the Death Star arguing with Tarkin, (or something equally ridiculous)be my guest. I can't wait for Vader and Luke to have the dicsussion on Bespin about how they are father and son because he passed his Mydichlorians onto Luke. Won't that be peachy.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Come on George!

    by Puddin' Taine

    How hard could it be to put both versions on a double sided DVD!? On another note: Lucas also said he won't be releasing the better version of The Phantom Menace on DVD either.

  • Sure, it might be "George Lucas's film." But what about the guy back in 1977 who spend months working on a motion control shot that's been replaced by a CGI ship in the Special Edition? Isn't that "his art" too? Does Lucas have the right to eradicate that shot he worked so hard on from film history?

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 3:20 p.m. CST

    And this is a surprise?

    by St.Buggering

    Didn't we already know that? Hasn't he said this a hundred times already? Are we just looking for reasons to be pissed off all over again now? Hello? Let it go, people. It's just Chinatown.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by empyreal0

    Fine. He wants to fuck over the OT like he's fucked over any hope for the PT, then he can go right ahead. I'll burn my own fucking DVDs of Star Wars, where Greedo doesn't shoot first, there' no fucking bullshit additions to make the OT blend with the PT because Lucas can't create a consistent story to save his fat ass, and I'll fucking keep em for myself. If the flannel-wearing dickless wonder thinks he can just shit all over what little he's done that we actually love, then I don't want to be any part of it.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 5 p.m. CST


    by fettitular

    George, if you don't release the original versions of star wars, I swear to buddha that I will mutilate your left tit.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Hey Lucas I already got the DVD's

    by Dobre

    I got perfectly nice bootleg DVDs of Star Wars, Empire and Jedi, in Thailand, and not one red cent goes to your bank account! You are....over----rated----

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Sign this petition

    by guittarjedi

    Don't just sit on your ass all pissed off, do something about it. Go here There is only about 60 sigs right now so sign it.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Emporer Lucas...

    by nevada

    ...hhmmm think they got it right here

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Send your movies back

    by handydave

    Here's a novel idea. Let start a campaign where everyone that had the original Star Wars film on Laser Disk or VHS, send it to Lucas with a letter stating that we would like him to release the original three movies in their original , untouched format on DVD. I may not do much, but I'm sure Lucas receive thousands of movies back would get his attention. Any one have a mailing address?

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 7:21 p.m. CST

    If I have to go to a bootleg,

    by Toht

    then I will. And I think others should do the same. In principle generally, I hate video piracy, but in being obstinate about refusing to release the original versions of the classic Star Wars trilogy, Lucas is kind of holding hostage some films that I, like many, have an enormous sentimental attachment to. If the demand for bootleg versions of this film force Lucas to take notice and react, then that's got to be a good thing, right?

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Responses to different issues.

    by Lobanhaki

    1)"The groundbreaking original work will be lost for all time, because he didn't put it on the DVD" I would buy this argument if he was burning the negatives for all the SW films, and removing all the non-digital effects. He kept an awful lot, dropped an awful lot- you'll still see the models here and there. The movie just doesn't rely on it as much anymore.----------------------------------------2)"Star Wars is ours because we paid the money to see it." This is where we get into quantum physics territory, because it asserts that Star Wars is what it is because people saw it. No. The movie had to be created first, and somebody had to put this together. In that sense, the movie had to be someone's before the audience ever laid claim to it. Somebody had to bring it together in their mind, first as a script, then as an edited, composited completed film. We know who that is. Star Wars is George Lucas's in a way that it will never belong to his fans. Yes, the images and events of it are ones that we are greatly attached to, and have spent much upon, but we can't buy the experience, the knowledge, the wisdom that was George Lucas's when Star Wars was born. You can't buy the inspiration, the pure spirit of Star Wars. It was never yours in that way, nor can it ever be. My advice, is that if you want to improve Star Wars, don't. Write an original science fiction work yourself, and try to do better. Don't be the guy watching the Jedi, be the Jedi.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 10:43 p.m. CST

    who cares?

    by BAMF

    Those of us who have it on VHS and LD are sweetly giggling that nobody else saw this coming. Revisionist moviemaking is tired.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 10:57 p.m. CST

    In 50 years or so, we'll all have died, anyway...

    by B_FERR1

    ...taking all of our memories of ILM's groundbreaking work, the memories of Han shooting first, the memories of jerky motion control models and visible matte lines along with us...and nothing that anyone has written here will mean a damn thing. Just a little perspective for you, that's all.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 12:10 a.m. CST

    No hyperdrive star sequence in Episode 3

    by jedislave

    One thing that I truly missed in the prequels so far was the hyperdrive star stretch sequence that we loved so much in the original trilogy. According to the audio files from the ILM tribute that posted were are not going to see them ever again. Listen to it for yourself.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Hey Lucas, screw SW, but if you fuck up the Indy DVD's...

    by Wally Palnuts

    Who am I kidding? He'll go two for two on turning great trilogies into shite, and the fanboys will bitch and moan all the way to the store as they blow their load and their wad on the final (and this time, I really mean it until a better super special double secret edition is announced) edition. Thanks George, you ass.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Revisionist fim editing

    by Electric Tsunami

    Funny to see how many films in the "National Registry" have been retroactively edited (Star Wars, ET, and Fantasia among them). So much in preserving something for "posterity". In music recordings it is not uncommon for the "hit" versions of songs to be replaced with different mixes (more with 1950s and 1960s songs but it happens with later recordings too). For me the only Star Wars film is the one from 1977. Empire a better film? It doesn't have an ending, it leaves a bunch of threads unresolved. Then what? Have to watch Jedi end endure that Ewok ending and a film that does not better 1 or 2. Looking to the prequel trilogy we have a 3 film story arch that follows the life of young Darth Vader from "got to save the farm" mechanic/racer to evil leader and a number of amazing coincidences of characters associating (yet having no recollection in the later trilogy). Nope, I'll stick with just the first one for personal enjoyment and as such do not need to see its effects "brought up to par" with the other films.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Weedon Bec smells funny

    by Kieran

    I just thought that needed clearing up.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 10:20 a.m. CST

    At least I have them on DVD already...

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    I have multiple sets of Star Wars on DVD. They are all differently mastered and most are great quality. Some are of the "originals" and some are of the "Special Editions". I love having the choice of watching what I want. But I will still buy the OFFICIAL STAR WARS DVD BOXSET on the day of release because I'm a fan. Fuck all you faggots that bitch about Lucas.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is SO over.......

    by the flashlight

    My interest level in Star Wars is so low that I have a hard time caring about this story. So Lucas doesn't want the original versions to ever see the light of day again? I suppose that's his perogative. It's also my perogative to not spend my money on his product. Funny how it was OK with Spielberg, a director of infinitely more talent and creative vision, to include the original version of E.T. on that dvd. Whatever....I know of a lot of better uses for my money than throwing it away on butchered PC versions of the films.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Well said St.Buggering!

    by BigW

    This is very old news. Why don't we also get upset with Japan: I just heard that they bombed Pearl Harbor!

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Why the fuss?

    by ROB1

    I mean, yer actually discussing this like the world is gonna change or something... Sheesh. So Lucas made some changes. They are not that significant, and if you hear hum explain why he made those changes (hey, they come with my video copy, didn't you hear 'em?) they actually make sense. The only one that kinda bothered me was Sy Snootles, who seemed more 'real' in the original ROTJ. But hey, that's me.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Support your local pirate

    by JT_Ripper

    Look... Someone will make DVD masters of the original set from the LD box set, then someone will compress them and put them on the net. People will be trading them, people will be buying them... Someone will say to Lucas, "We're losing a TON of money..." and that, as usual will get him all flustery... The originals WILL be released on DVD, just not for a while. Remember, George Lucas is all about money now.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 4:38 p.m. CST

    why lucas blows

    by cheshirekat5865

    I've been on the star Wars bandwagon since childhood like every other guy born in the seventies and early eighties. Will I miss the matte frames behind the ships? No. Do I wince every time I watch Greedo shoot first? Into the fucking ceiling?! Hells yes.

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 6:43 p.m. CST

    hahahah...The Matrix?!?

    by Nibbs

    Look, I'll agree that Menace and Clones were nowhere near as well done as the Original Trilogy, but whenever people mention film trilogies, Star Wars will ALWAYS top the list. It just will. Accept it. If nothing else, do you honestly think that a movie that relies solely on special effects and KEANU REEVES has a chance at being as popular in 30 years as Star Wars is today?

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 5:03 a.m. CST


    by CaptainHendry

    I saw Star Wars opening weekend with my father. I was ten. The same goes for Empire at 13. Jedi -- I snuck out of High School to see it on opening day. Star Wars filled my youth with adventure, romance, excitement and, most of all, anticipation. Many Christmases and Birthdays were made more wonderful through your imagination, George. May I offer my sincerest thanks for all the happy memories. It's precisely because those times were so special for me that I'm writing. As an adult, I look forward to the day when I can show my daughter these films. I know you have daughters. Perhaps, like me, you had certain ages in mind for them to see various films. My little girl, Emma, is just two and only recently saw her first movie in a theater (Lion King). But I've already decided Star Wars will be perfect for age 7 (girls mature faster) and I'm determined to hold out and not let her see it chopped up by commercials on TV. I'll make a big to-do about it and let her hold the program my father bought me 26 years ago. I'll try my best to recreate the magic. But a big part of that is showing her what I actually saw and loved. Showing her refurbished films that came out 20 years later short-circuits the whole experience. So I'm sorry, George, but one way or another, she'll be seeing the originals in 2008. Your movies belong to you. But my memories belong to me. To me and Emma. I hope you'll reconsider.

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Lucas-a very stupid,stupid man

    by krist

    George Lucas can't release the original Star Wars on DVD- cause he cut up the original negatives of Star Wars to make the Special Editions. He also has a new edit of Star Wars which noone has seen yet. This will most likely be the version on the DVD.

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 8:30 a.m. CST

    HansDelbruck: " I'M AN ASSHOLE?" I'll clarify for you: yes you

    by minderbinder

    "You bought tickets so you should have a say?" All "my say" is that George should actually RELEASE the movies that people spent hundreds of millions to see. I guess that's crazy talk to a Lucas sycophant.

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 8:45 a.m. CST

    "Why watch the originals, when the special editions are exactly

    by minderbinder

    Hey, the Wizard of Oz is looking pretty dated...let's replace everything with CGI!

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 8:58 a.m. CST

    " If he released the originals again you'd all be bitching about

    by minderbinder

    What do you mean AGAIN? He's never released the originals on DVD. "the whore who paid to make his own movies when he had every studio lined up to pay for them" So he could take 90% of the profits instead of 50%...yep, purely to make more money. "Peter Jackson releases 2 versions of his film" And he announced the details of both versions upfront (hint: so the consumer can decide and only buy ONE). Compare this to lucas, who LIED and said that TPM wouldn't be on DVD for years so fans would be suckered into buying it twice. WHORE. Or when he released the widescreen version at twice the price of the pan 'n scan. WHORE. "Hitchcock remade some of his earlier movies and no one bitches" Funny, I don't remember Hitchcock BLOCKING the originals from distribution. Oh, and I think Lucas WILL release the "rough cuts" eventually if he wants the money badly enough (or if his kids do after he's passed on), but only after the SW fans have already bought copies. Sorry George, I'll already have my asian bootlegs.

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 9:06 a.m. CST

    "do you honestly think that a movie that relies solely on specia

    by minderbinder

    That's really funny when you realize that you're defending a movie that relies solely on special effects and MARK HAMILL.

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    money talks, bullsh*t sucks...

    by d0kk

    The difference between the ET Special Edition and the re-release of Eps IV-VI is that ET tanked while Lucas was vindicated by healthy box office. Spielberg was recouping his expenses with the multi-version DVD, but Lucas doesn't have to do that. I saw this coming a long time ago, that's why I bought a laserdisc player and the trilogy on THX LD. Personally I prefer the original. Solo shot first. End of story.

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Why doesn't someone explain to Lucas,

    by numberface

    that his "incomplete" versions are better than the so-called finished ones? If the special editions and the prequels are the films he "really wanted to make" than it's apparent that Lucas sucks.

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by Jon Zuckerman


  • Feb. 10, 2003, 12:42 p.m. CST

    ALERT - Star Wars censordhi[p you might not be aware of...

    by Zeddd Go to this link and find the star wars sections. This perfectly illustrates how the entire star wars film was cleaned up to remove 'violence'...uhhhh yea right. THIS IS NOT THE STAR WARS I SAW IN 77 nor is it the star wars that was nominated for a ton of awards. This is the result of someone who is falling off the rocker. My advice - don'y buy it till they cough up the original complete with blaster hits etc. or proudly support your oprtion to buy bootleg until Lucas gives us proper options. - it was this sort of cool attention to detail that had me gaga eyes as a 10 year old AND the precise kind of mindset that causes the new films to be wildly inferior...I don

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Lucas, Berman and Hammer

    by cooper2000

    The three things I hate about Sci Fi today and the three things they have in common.... They all shit on the people who made them. Lucas and his fans over the Star Wars Saga (we want the originals), Rick Berman who continues to ignore fans who want a good Star Trek show and Bonnie Hammer of the Sci Fi channel who cancelled the best sci fi show and has not listened too all the people that are rallying to get it back./// Thats gratitude for ya!!!

  • Feb. 10, 2003, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Who cares?!!

    by hoorayforeric

    The SEs are cleaned up and clear! After I bought the OT:SE on tape...I never once went back to watch the original versions. Why? They're old and dull looking. The additions are fine and Lucas still needs to finish the final battle in "A New Hope"! Compared to's rather crappy! I wouldn't watch the original versions if they were released on DVD. AND I wouldn't want my kids to see SW in that way, as well. If you want to see them so bad..convert your old copies to DVD and enjoy your fucking head off!! I just hope they fix Jabba in "A New Hope"! He sucked! And LOTR is boring and tired. I still haven't bought the DVD of FOTR nor will I. It's long and dull!! Same goes for TTT.

  • Feb. 12, 2003, 1:15 a.m. CST

    cor blimey gov`ner

    by Lee3p0

    I must say my interest in getting the original trilogy on DVD runs at about 100% for the special editions that drops to about 25%. I already own both boxsets on video only what to get the originals again.

  • Feb. 13, 2003, 9:02 a.m. CST


    by eternalshogunx

    I just read this news about Lucas not allowing the release of the originals on DVD...all I can say is...DENIED! I can't believe he did this. The whole Star Wars phenomenon STARTED with the original versions and, frankly, I like the original versions BETTER than the "revised" versions! I mean, sure, the newer versions have better special effects, but you can tell that the spec. effects team worked EXTRA hard in the original versions and they REALLY put their hearts and souls into it. Well, I guess this destroys my idea about waiting for the original DVDS to come out..guess I have to be content with the special editions...yeesh...thanks a lot, Lucas. -Emilio "Shogun Emperor" Diaz

  • Feb. 14, 2003, 11:42 a.m. CST

    It's cause of you

    by Stringfellow

    that Fatneck thinks he can get away with pushing this altered version of the original trilogy on us. You guys that buy the dvd's with the special edition are the ones at fault for ol' Fatneck continuing to screw the fan base over. If you say you want the original on dvd, then show some backbone and don't buy the special edition and force Fatneck to see we mean business when we say we want the original on dvd. You jelly fish really make me sick. You're a bunch of Fatneck enablers. You make his crappy new trilogy a success, moneywise, because you have no backbone to demand better quality from Mr. Fatneck. You can bet I won't buy, not accept as a gift, any dvd with the altered editon of the original Star Wars on it. If Fatneck finally decides to put the original in the same set of dvd's as the altered crappy version, I'll make sure I toss out the altered version.