Feb. 4, 2003, 12:57 p.m. CST
He got arrested yesterday for murder, but I didn't see who did it.
Feb. 4, 2003, 12:59 p.m. CST
I'm sure if I see a picture I'll remember, but right now face isn't coming to me. Can anyone post a link to her pic? Also I'm assuming this has to do with Spector arrest?
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:01 p.m. CST
by Sod Off Baldric
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:01 p.m. CST
Checked BBC online - it's Phil Spector, but they said there was no official comment on the relationship.
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:02 p.m. CST
by Nimzo Larson
what better way to honor the life of this brilliant actress than by showing you her breasts: http://members.fortunecity.com/oops86/oops_lana_clarkson.html
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:03 p.m. CST
by Cutter's Way
Celebrities think they can do anything they want and get away with it - only because they can and do. They live in a different world with different rules and my enormous hate for them is only tempered by my enormous envy. Don't act like you're any different.
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:09 p.m. CST
by Darth Brooks
as Mrs. Vargas, the biology teacher's Stepford Wife, on "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" - (suddenly there's bunches of people going "oh - - HER!")
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:35 p.m. CST
I read that they found the body of a dead woman in his home, but they didn't identify her. What a shit
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:39 p.m. CST
So he's been arrested on suspicion of murder and will be tried. Shouldn't we wait until he's proven guilty before condeming him? Details are still very sketchy at this point. Nice to see Father Geek giving as much credit to Texas as George Bush Jr.
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:41 p.m. CST
by Trav McGee
That's who Spector shot? MotherFUCKER. And just last night I was poring through the Rolling Stone story about the recovered "Let It Be" tapes. So, that's two beautiful things he's killed now.
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:43 p.m. CST
Phil Spector was a famous record producer, best known for creating a "wall of sound" on the songs he produced. You may know Phil's work in '60's girl-group songs like Ronnie Spector's "Be My Baby," or from the Beatle's "Let It Be" album. He was quite a studio tyrant, known for drinking heavily and brandishing guns openly. Strange, sad story. sk
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:44 p.m. CST
...identifying Clarkson as the person Phil Spector (allegedly) killed.
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:49 p.m. CST
The death of Lana Clarkson is tragic, but some are worrying that the tragedy may be compounded by Phil Spector possibly getting off if he's charged with this, because it's 1) a celebrity murder 2) anything can happen nowadays and 3) he has a history of mental problems. Add to that, he's got Robert Shapiro, the first lawyer kept by O.J. after Juice butchered his ex-wife and her friend. But, Lana fans (and B-movie fans, including Notch here), take heart. There's no "mysterious stranger card" here, it looks like the police showed up after the shots, there was no one in the house other than the dead body and Spector, there were no signs of struggle or forced entry (at least from early reports), and there's no race card to play. What's Phil gonna do, get a jury full of 60's burn-outs and play the "music fan" card? "I made lots of cool songs under the 'Wall of Sound', so I can't commit murder." It won't work, even with undereducated jurors. Why does everyone go back to "O.J. got away with it, so why not Robert Blake or Spector, etc.?" Because O.J. was a unique case, race card. I'm part Hispanic, I hate to admit it, but I don't think many of the O.J. jurors would have convicted him even if God Almighty floated down and testified in all His glory that he witnessed O.J. butcher the victims. And as much as I despise Jerry Falwell, he had the best line of the O.J. criminal case....."I don't think if Mother Teresa filmed the murder with a camcorder, would that jury have convicted him." Falwell is scum, but that summed up the Simpson case in pure, brutal truth. Now, let's watch what happens here, but justice will likely prevail. I love Spector's music, even though I'm not even 30 yet, he was awesome in his day, but that doesn't give him a free pass to murder, any more than a lame Heismann Trophy means some chump gets two knifing freebies. Notch out.
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:54 p.m. CST
I loved those sword & sandal films of hers, lots of fun! On another note though..... "pavemental" Father Geek has accused NO ONE of this death, her makes NO mention of the accused name in his obit. You're out of line here not him.
Feb. 4, 2003, 1:56 p.m. CST
Does anyone else notice that, again, thank God, the standard of proof for conviction has not had to remain at "O.J. Simpson levels" after that disgraceful acquital of the Juice. The amount of evidence in the O.J. case was HUGE compared to most murder cases. Many murderers have been convicted based on 2 or 3 pieces of evidence, sometimes just one or two specks of blood or just a fingerprint in blood. It was ALWAYS like that, and most educated people are not gonna act like Simpson apologists and demand a impossibly large mountain of evidence every time someone is charged with a crime. That's why I cringe when I see TV "experts" begrudge the amount of evidence collected in cases....it's never enough for some of these "experts," but it's usually enough for (sane and educated) jurors.
Feb. 4, 2003, 2:36 p.m. CST
here's hoping the little bitch FRIES for this. or at least spends a really, really long time in prison. IF they prove he did it, in the wake of OJ...wait, what am I saying, The Juice was innocent, right? At least that's what a 12 people who THOUGHT they were his peers said. By the way, did everyone hear the DeeDee Ramone story...
Feb. 4, 2003, 3:03 p.m. CST
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a judicial concept, meaning the burden of proof is on the prosecution. It does NOT mean that ordinary people can't have an opinion that some asshole standing over a dead girl with a smoking gun is a murderer.
Feb. 4, 2003, 3:17 p.m. CST
I always come here instead due to the AICN group being of a more superior minded ilk, if you will....ain't nothin sacred no more?
Feb. 4, 2003, 3:19 p.m. CST
by Silvio Dante
meager million dollars. I don't know if you can get away with murder, but if you're rich you have a headstart.
Feb. 4, 2003, 3:23 p.m. CST
by Silvio Dante
even million bucks couldn't fix the talkback order.
Feb. 4, 2003, 3:57 p.m. CST
I worked with her on "Barbarian Queen" and a few other Corman flicks. She was a sweetheart! We met again at the Monsters Among Us show, talked about the good times we had on those cheesey films and were supposed to get together for a cup of coffee when we had time. This is just too unbelieveable!
Feb. 4, 2003, 4:10 p.m. CST
I had read in the past that Crowe had a script and that Cruise can mimick Spector perfectly. The only thing that has been holding up the project is that Crowe couldn't find the right ending for the script. I think Phil Spector just gave him one.
Feb. 4, 2003, 4:34 p.m. CST
He posted 1 million bail. I thought then, this bitch is gonna run. But he did the next best thing if you are guilty of murder. Hire Robert Shapiro.
Feb. 4, 2003, 4:44 p.m. CST
Here is a link to a Yahoo news story stating that Clarkson was the victim. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=579&e=3&cid=638&u=/nm/20030204/en_nm/crime_spector_dc
Feb. 4, 2003, 4:56 p.m. CST
Feb. 4, 2003, 5:23 p.m. CST
by Darth Brooks
>>>Close friends are expressing shock that he has been accused of murder. His friend Marvin Mitchelson spoke to Good Morning America and had this to say about his friend, "It's not just as a lawyer speaking, it is a friend speaking. I know his personality. He didn't do it." Mitchelson believes that Spector had put his wild days behind him. He said, "Phil stopped drinking about four years ago and he is about as together as anyone I know."<<<<<<<< Jeez, that Mitchelson guy better find different friend, if he thinks Phil's got it "together."
Feb. 4, 2003, 6 p.m. CST
My first question was what were they doing up all night long and then why were their 3 shots fired? And the car parked in the driveway with the door ajar? Was it Lana's? Did Lana come over picking a fight? It's all so strange. It takes one shot to kill someone. Three sounds like someone really angry. I'm curious what went down.
Feb. 4, 2003, 6:44 p.m. CST
by Billy Talent
Obviously it's no excuse for this heinous crime, but no one seems to be acknowledging that Spector is one of the most brilliant and influential figures in the history of Rock & Roll, the Stanley Kubrick of Pop. He's always been crazy, there's no doubt about that. Check out Tom Wolfe's article 'The First Tycoon of Teen'. Now he is apparently a murderer. However he is also a genius, responsible for some of the most incredible music ever heard, songs that last three minutes and forever.
Feb. 4, 2003, 7:12 p.m. CST
by Billy Talent
Yeah Stan, I always assumed PTA intended the boy geniuses name as an homage to Kubrick and Phil.
Feb. 4, 2003, 7:24 p.m. CST
Lana Clarkson is going to be missed. She didn't deserve this. Not many people do, outside of a few terrorist. I don't know if Phil Spector shot her dead or not. All I know is what the media has said about this between the Columbia tragedy newsblitz. "Beyond" wasn't the only film parody of Phil Spector. There is also The Cool Ones. Roddy McDowall plays Tony Krum, an ecentric, boy genius record producer based on Spector. Movie sucks, but Mr. McDowall is spot on brillant.
Feb. 4, 2003, 8:13 p.m. CST
by SLEAZY DINOSAUR
I remember Lana Clarkson from her bit part in Fast Times At Ridgemont High, she didn't have any lines, she was the wife of Mr Vargas. She stood out because she was so hot and Mr Vargas was so odd looking.
Feb. 4, 2003, 8:52 p.m. CST
The problem with not knowing who Phil Spector is
Feb. 4, 2003, 9:34 p.m. CST
This is indeed a tragedy, and based on what is publicly known, Spector probably did it and should get what he deserves. That might be a murder conviction, though it might be manslaughter, given Spector's history of mixing booze with guns. It is my understanding, however, that Shapiro has been Spector's lawyer before this (plenty of royalty suits against him), so I don't attach much import to it...in fact, it might work against Spector in this case. As for Spector's musical impact, I would note that, as has been demonstrated here, most listeners do not know record producers... though in addition to the Neptunes, I could add Steve Albini, Butch Vig, Flood, Steve Lilywhite, Flood, and many more. That Spector is among the most famous (1989 RnR Hall of Fame inductee), and that so much of his work is still recognized by the general public, demonstrates how extraordinary his production talent was. Moreover, the musicians he employed were among the best in the biz; the media focus on Sonny, Cher, Leon Redbone and Glen Campbell, but they really ought to note Hal Blaine (one of the best rock/pop drummers ever) and Carol Kaye (one of the most inventive bass players in rock or pop). Of course, as a human being, his problems are almost equally well documented. Ronnie Spector's book documents quite a bit of it, of course. And he was nearly as reclusive as Beach Boys wunderkind Brian Wilson (who names "Be My Baby" as his favorite song). In addition, Spector not only pulled a gun on the Ramones, but also on Leonard Cohen and on John Lennon (when Lennon wanted tapes Spector produced for his "Rock 'N' Roll" LP... Lennon ended up having to rerecord the material, though the Spector versions have surfaced as bootlegs). In the interest of accuracy, however, I must note that Marky Ramone has been quoted as saying that the incident with that band was not really life-threatening, and Cohen has made similar remarks. As for today's music, I myself like quite a few of the bands y'all have mentioned. But I would add that many of them would never have been heard or would not exist if it weren't for some of the other bands getting run down in this thread. For example, Camper Van Beethoven was (and still was last month on their reunion tour) fabulous, and I bought the first edition of their first LP, but many more people got exposed to them when R.E.M. took them on as an opening act. R.E.M. did this for a lot of bands that deeply shaped the music of today...Sonic Youth, the Replacements and Husker Du, to name just three. And Thom Yorke of Radiohead would be glad to explain why R.E.M. does not "suck ass." And I'm not even a big R.E.M. fan these days, but their import and influence cannot be disputed. I'll close with a few more bands worth mentioning: Guided by Voices; Fountains of Wayne; the Mooney Suzuki; and Pavement.
Feb. 4, 2003, 10:17 p.m. CST
This isn't the first time Phil committed murder. He killed "Let It Be" after Lennon brought him in as a producer. That's why the album is being remixed for reissue later this year. It was always intened to be a raw album and Spector destroyed the whole project. What he did for Tina Turner on "River Deep, Mountain High" was brilliant. Adding female choirs to Beatles' tunes constitutes a high crime. If Shapiro gets him off for taking away Lana Clarkson maybe Chuck Barris can take him out for what he did to "Let It Be".
Feb. 4, 2003, 10:20 p.m. CST
Check out the link to Corona's Untitled Phil Spector Project http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/philspectorbio.html Timely. Never heard of the actress. Thats a damn shame. She was in Fast Times at Ridgmenont. I wonder if she met Cameron Crowe on the set? Weird how it works.
Feb. 4, 2003, 11:29 p.m. CST
What a shame that her life was taken at such a young age. If you want one last look at her beauty, visit her website. While I've always admired Spector's work, IF the man is guilty let him burn. Just because you have talent doesn't give you the right to take someone's life.
Feb. 4, 2003, 11:48 p.m. CST
Pretty disturbing the way this poor woman's name and screen work is completely ignored on all the stories I have seen, so far. Letterman really pissed me off with his comments, tomight, which I don't really care 'bout much: something like... "Phil Spector was arrested after a woman was found dead in his house. Unlike Robert who at least takes out his victins to dinner" definitely not verbatim. I thought it was crass since the woman is known, even if only for "bimbo" roles, she deserved a little more respect or at least acknowledgement of her existence beyond a punch line for celebrity murderers.
Feb. 5, 2003, 12:53 a.m. CST
by Eugene O
This has been a long time coming to those of us who have followed the guy's weird trail of psychosis. He has needed serious help for years.
Feb. 5, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST
by Billy Talent
TO MY BELOVED AND DEAR FRIEND, JOEY RAMONE Dear Joey: It is not often in a lifetime that one meets such a beautiful and free Spirit, as you, who so loved life and music; and who did things in his own life, and his own way. And who, when we were working together, taught me that it is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye Losing you like this is so very hard to understand, and there are no words that can truly ease the pain. And though there is great sadness in parting with someone as dear to my heart as you were, I find some comfort, as I hope your family does, in the thought that you, our beloved Joey, are now in a place of peace. I want you to know that I, and everyone else whose life you touched, will always think of you in the most loving way, and with deep gratitude and appreciation for the very spiritual essence of love and caring that you brought into our lives. And what the heat has seen, it can see again in a memory. For memories are gifts left to us by our loved ones. And I shall be sustained by your gifts Joey. And even though I am crying for you, I know if the eyes had no tears, the soul would have no rainbow. And, I would be remiss if I did not mention to you that my little boy Phillip Jr. is up there waiting for you. So look for him, Joey. And you'll know him right away. Just look and listen for the loudest little angel and that's him. I know the two of you will take good care of each other. And so my dearly beloved Joey, if I may quote, and paraphrase from Antoine de Saint-Exupery, "In one of the stars you shall be living. In one of them you shall be laughing. And so it will be as if all the stars were laughing when I look at the sky at night. " Goodbye Joey. May you have eternal peace, and God bless you. Your devoted, and loving friend, PHIL SPECTOR
Feb. 5, 2003, 5:40 a.m. CST
He is a sick man. He allegedly has a different gun to go with each of his various costumes and once pulled a gun on Stevie Wonder during a recording session, though how much this would have affected a blind man wearing headphones is up for debate. Sickest of all, he has actually hired O.J. Simpson's lawyer to defend him.
Feb. 5, 2003, 8:38 a.m. CST
"Encore Presentation, presented without commercial interruptions thanks to Ford" if this happens im going to go and hide under a rock with a fake ring for bout 500 years..of course i wont have any say in moving after i die around 70 but all the same..
Feb. 5, 2003, 12:41 p.m. CST
He certainly looked like shit in the photo of him being arrested. If he's guilty--my, how the mighty have fallen--I hope they turn him INTO shit.
Feb. 5, 2003, 6:05 p.m. CST
Dude, I have just read a gob of the talk backs and am seeing some commmentary on Specter's contributions and one that even suggested this may be manslaughter b/c of drugs alcohol. Guys get the hell over it, if this guy committed murder (and it sure as shit looks like he did), then he should be taken out in front of a firing squad... Fuck Specter and his "contributions"...and fuck "manslaughter" that word is not synonomous with "shot 3 times"...try m-u-r-d-e-r...and try burning in hell for a while you bastard Specter. I mean damn, who cares what he produced if he killed an innocent woman...he's famous for brandishing his guns at people...and that ain't funny, it ain't wild and crazy...it's simply fucked up...
Feb. 6, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST
the Fox News site is reporting that miss Clarkson's body is undergoing tests for illegal drugs while poor Mr Spectors spin docs are characterizing her as a "B movie actress who worked in a Sunset Strip bar" sounds kinda familiar huh? gotta wonder if the cops are testing HIM for drugs.
Feb. 6, 2003, 2:39 p.m. CST
Phil Spector has admitted that he shot Lana Clarkson, but that he did it "purely for research", and had no intentions of killing the B-movie star. Apparently, Mr. Spector was preparing for production on Pete Townshend's next album, which if released, promises to be thoroughly researched.
April 10, 2003, 10:03 p.m. CST
I am an haitian journalist who interviewed lana Carkson for a local newspaper here. I am devastated and outraged by her death. She was a good person. A good human being. He death is very very sad. Condolences to her family and friends.