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Moriarty Mongers Some SUPERMAN Rumors, Ganders At LXG Trailers, And Wonders About A WOMAN!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

Y’know, it never fails. In the long history of AICN, I’ve posted dozens of links to stories that Michael Fleming has written for VARIETY. There’s a reason he writes the “Dish” column for the industry’s biggest trade paper... he’s a good writer, and he’s well-connected. Of course, the one time I have substantially different information than he does and mention it, he goes completely bitchcakes and turns into Joan Collins on a bad episode of DYNASTY, treating me like Linda Evans and threatening to claw out my eyes and pull off my wig. So... let’s walk through all the various SUPERMAN stories that have been flying in the last month or so, and let’s try to sort things out, okay? I’ll be careful about the language of this because I’d hate to call someone a bald-faced liar. I mean, especially in print. No one would ever do that, right? Ahem.

The waters got muddied on Friday, when Fleming published his latest column, where he attempted to sort out rumors that even Fleming admits he was being bombarded with, stories about Ratner’s exit from the project. The thing that Fleming has on his side here is the direct quotes from Ratner and Bay, and as of right now, their statements are accurate. Bay’s not making the film, but we already told you that. Ratner is still in place, and that’s the situation on this particular morning. Ratner makes a big deal in the article about how he’s at CAA, and they would never risk pissing him off by negotiating behind his back. Never mind Sarah Silverman’s blistering stand-up routine where she talks about being at CAA and having them routinely offer roles that were supposed to be hers to other “hotter” actresses. No one at a talent agency has ever worked to appease two clients at once. And if you were CAA and you knew your director was off a film, you wouldn’t take steps to make sure the replacement was ALSO one of your clients. No... you’d just watch the commission walk out the door and smile the whole time. Ratner must be right. Makes sense, doesn’t it?

Anyone who has covered this business for any amount of time learns quickly that things change. Information is often mercurial. And, in the age of instant feedback and widespread dissemination of “secrets,” the news is frequently interactive. Something gets reported, there is a reaction, and what ends up happening is something totally different because of that reportage. Hell, when I ran my initial script review for this project, there were quotes from people like JJ Abrams’s manager and Warner Bros. executives saying that they had no idea what I was talking about. Absolute flaming bullshit, of course, since events since have proven that I did indeed have the script and that what I wrote was exactly accurate for that draft. Already, they’ve changed the character of Luthor dramatically (he’s not an alien, and he’s not in the CIA now) as a result of the outcry from fans. That’s the way it’s been on this project overall so far... deny the truth vehemently, then react internally. Why should we expect the studio to behave any differently this time?

Patrick Sauriol and the guys over at COMING ATTRACTIONS have also been working the SUPERMAN beat fairly hard, and they published a well-writtenresponse to recent developments over the weekend. They point out how much of the information that has been leaking of the studio is accurate, no matter how hard the studio tries to spin. We were the first site to print the news that Ashton Kutcher was under serious consideration by the studio, and now Ratner’s actually confirming that, even as he calls us “rumor-mongerers.” I suppose we just pulled that name out of thin air, right, Rat? The truth is, AOL/Time-Warner has a lot of money at stake with this particular project. No matter what happens, they have to make this movie now. Remember when Nicolas Cage and Tim Burton were supposed to make the film? Remember how sure they sounded in interviews? Ratner says, “The studio is spending multiple millions of dollars making test deals with the actors I want. They're paying me, my DP, my AD, my editor, my props guy." You know what? There was a point where Burton could say the exact same thing. And as far as I can tell, that film never got made. Warner ended up paying a fortune in pay-or-play deals, and all of those costs are still stacked against the film now. You’re talking about something in the neighborhood of $30 million without a frame of film being exposed so far.

At this point, maybe Warner Bros. has been backed into a corner. After all, it can’t help stock prices to see a revolving door on their largest potential franchise with directors hopping on and off seemingly at whim. No matter what problems were going on with Ratner internally, they may be in a position where they simply can’t replace him now without having to answer to stockholders.

But if things shake out in the next few weeks and Ratner finds himself off the film and Warner Bros. hands over the reigns to a filmmaker like, let’s say, Joseph Kahn (whose TORQUE is testing well, and who has big fans at the executive level like Jeff Robinov), then I wouldn’t exactly call my reaction “surprise.”

In the meantime, we’ll continue to sort through the letters we get in and we’ll continue to rely on sources we know have been accurate throughout this process so far. My advice to you as readers is this: filter all of the information you get, whether it’s from us or from VARIETY or from Superman himself through a healthy sense of skepticism. This is a story in flux, and anyone who says they know the whole story right now is lying. Take it all and treat it as what it is... pieces of a larger picture. I’m confident I don’t know everything about what’s going on right now on the Burbank lot, but I’m equally confident that Michael Fleming’s piece is only a glimpse at one part of the puzzle. Hell, he asks Ratner a pointed series of questions and somehow never notices that Ratner avoids them completely. Watch how completely Ratner deflects the parts of this question he doesn’t want to answer:

I toss him a few more rumors I've heard on my own. I hear Ratner's in a holding deal that expires next week, and could leave if WB doesn't pay or play him. The studio understandably wants to be sure "Superman" flies before paydays are promised, because pricey pay-or-play settlements were given to both Nicolas Cage and Tim Burton when the pic was scrapped in 1998 over script problems and a $140 million budget. And what about the rumors that the new pic's budget is over $200 million, with WB insisting that it not exceed $180 million. Or that Josh Hartnett was top choice, but wouldn't sign a deal with two pre-negotiated sequels, which led him to schedule tests with Jude Law, Ashton Kutcher, Brendan Fraser?

"North of $200 million is a lie, we won't have a budget for three weeks," said Ratner, who acknowledged his top choices for Man of Steel were reluctant to make long-term pacts. "No star wants to sign that, but as much as I've told Jude and Josh my vision for the movie, I've warned them of the consequences of being Superman. They'll live this character for 10 years because I'm telling one story over three movies and plan to direct all three if the first is as successful as everyone suspects."

Nice answer, Brett. No word about that holding deal expiring or your own ticking clock. Forget that you’ve confirmed Hartnett and Law, two names that we broke first. Forget all of that and focus on the issue of the new budget which isn’t finished... a budget based on a draft that was specifically requested because of an earlier budget prepared for an earlier draft that was swelling out of control. Smoke and mirrors, man. That’s good. Plus good. Doubleplusgood, indeed.


I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve been rough on this film so far. I may even be unqualified to comment on the picture since I’m such a fan of the work of Alan Moore. He writes dense, literary stories that really don’t lend themselves to easy cinematic translation. More than most comic writers, he pushes the boundaries of his particular medium and creates things that wouldn’t work the same if done another way. FROM HELL, WATCHMEN, and the original LEAGUE... these are difficult properties to approach.

As a result, there was some friction between myself and the LEAGUE camp last year, and I decided to stop writing about the film altogether and just wait for the first footage to emerge. I realized early on that if I’m going to enjoy LEAGUE on any level, it’s going to have to be as a film, and not as an adaptation. The property has been reinvented as a $100-million action film, and the original series was an esoteric, deeply literate piece where the biggest action set pieces involved dropping a few bombs on London. Not exactly summer movie fare.

On Friday, just before I left the house for DAREDEVIL, there was a knock on the door of the Labs, which is odd since we’re located 300 feet below Hollywood Blvd.

When I answered, there was a giant hulking figure crowded into the doorway with a vaguely familiar face. I started to ask, “Weren’t you in LOCK, STOCK, AND..?”

That’s as far as I got, though. In an image right out of an old Bugs Bunny cartoon, the beast picked me up by the throat and squeezed. When I gasped for air, he jammed a videotape into my mouth and tossed me back into the Labs. By the time I got my bearings, he was gone.

It took three henchmen to pry the tape out of my esophagus, and the note that was wrapped around it got a little ripped in the process, but as I understand it, there are two totally different trailers for LEAGUE that have been created. One is the theatrical trailer that will play in front of DAREDEVIL next month (along with a new X-MEN trailer and a new HULK trailer, both of which are still being tweaked at ILM as we speak), and the other is going to be released on a special promotional DVD that’s going to be given away with popcorn containers by theaters starting this weekend. Both trailers have unfinished effects work, but taken as a whole, they provide the first real glimpse at what Stephen Norrington’s been cooking up when he wasn’t busy slapfighting with Sean Connery.

The theatrical trailer begins with the familiar green MPAA screen, and there’s several cuts they ordered on the trailer before they approved it. It’s interesting to me how a studio might want to show you great stuff, but their hands are tied by the increased sensitivity about what can be shown in trailers. It’s far more restrictive now than it used to be. Anyway... the 20th Century Fox logo comes up, the sky behind it turns to a hazy green, and the 0 becomes the spinning tire of a white convertible, a surprisingly modern car designed by Captain Nemo, racing along the streets of Prague in the middle of the night. Mr. Voice reads each title card as they appear, just in case you can’t do it for yourself.


We see a few quick shots of Hyde, huge with exaggerated musculature. In one, he lashes out at someone, and in another he’s draped in chains and struggling. There’s a great shot of the Invisible Man walking away from the camera, shrugging on a long black trenchcoat. Then we cut back to the car, still racing through the streets.


A bunch of bats come swirling out of the sky and race down into an alley, where they pour into the shape of Mina Harker (Peta Wilson), and then we cut back to the car as it races through a puddle.


We see Mina attacking someone, the suggestion of her tearing a throat out, and then a few very quick shots of Dorian Gray (Stuart Townsend) in a library with the Fantom’s henchmen firing guns into him. This is where you can really see the hand of the MPAA, especially compared with the second trailer. There are no bullet hits on Dorian, and it’s actually a little hard to tell what’s going on as he strides across the room without reacting to a single shot.

There’s a series of quick cuts of destruction, like the Bank of England blowing up and walls collapsing and a tank in the streets and the side of a boat opening up to reveal a row of guns, and then Mr. Voice says, “But when our future is at stake...” We get a quick glimpse of the Fantom’s eye, the suggestion of burnt skin, and then we’re back to the car again, driving through a hail of gunfire, and we see the driver now, Tom Sawyer (Shane West). Mr. Voice continues, “... they will be our last hope,” and Sawyer fires back as he drives, and he suddenly slams on the brakes, sending the car into a slide that ends as the entire League looks over at him.

That’s where we get the first hero shot of Alan Quartermain (Sean Connery) as he steps forward. “Then the game is on,” he says, and the trailer kicks into overdrive.


Quick cuts of armies massing. The camera races in on Sawyer as he tries to ready his gun.

”THE BAD...”

Mina Harker attacks someone against an obviously unfinished effects sky.

”... WILL FIGHT...”

We see shots of Sawyer, Quartermain, and Captain Nemo (Naseeruddin Shah) all fighting, and there’s a great sense of how kinetic and crazy these fights are going to be. The rest of the trailer is even quicker, one image after another, and the thing that stood out to me is that there’s very little Hyde and very little Invisible Man, two of the characters I’m most interested in. In both cases, though, the effects are still being worked on, and my guess is they didn’t want to put in a lot of stuff that wasn’t done. Mina comes across as the star of the film, a wicked vamp badass, and the trailer ends with the LXG logo, all of them posed around it, and then the title comes up, followed by the film’s logo:


My first reaction? There’s some groovy stuff in there. It looks like a Stephen Sommers film for grown-ups. I really do like the first BLADE, and it looks like Norrington knows how to shoot action. I’m starting to suspect that if I put the comic out of my head, the film might be enjoyable as a separate thing. I mentioned the other day that people who walk into DAREDEVIL with too much baggage might have trouble enjoying themselves, and I don’t want to be that guy. I want to be able to judge the film on its own merits, and if I didn’t know what this was adapted from, I would be intrigued by what I saw.

One problem, though... I mentioned the character names, but that’s because I’ve read a draft of the script. I know who the characters are supposed to be. The general public isn’t going to have any idea that they’re looking at Mr. Hyde or Mina Harker or Captain Nemo. It’s a strange choice to not cash in on the name recognition of the characters at least a little bit. I would say that there has to be a poster campaign that focuses on one character per poster and really sets up for people that these are familiar names portrayed in a new way. Now that they’ve set up the LXG thing in this trailer, use that to brand every other image that comes out and tie this all together for people. Part of the fun of this thing is seeing these totally different types of characters all drawn together in one story, and it would be fun to start to let the audience in on the gag.

The second trailer does far more of that, actually. There’s a whole different attitude to it, and I preferred it to the first one. Harry Lime says I’m crazy, though, and despite the fact that there’s more dialogue and more of a glimpse at how the film plays, he prefers the way the first one is cut. We start again with the Fox logo, but this time it gives way to an image of the moon, and the sky goes blood-red behind it. Someone speaks in clipped British tones over the next series of images. “Nations are striking at nations,” he says, and we see guards on duty somewhere, then the tank from the first trailer. “Each country denies its actions,” he continues, and we see someone with a flamethrower, then a building falling apart as the streets shake. “What we are talking about,” he concludes, “is a world war.”

We cut to two men sitting across from each other in a study. One of them is the man who was talking, and the other is Connery as Quartermain. He fixes the guy with that patented Connery glare and says, “And that makes you sweat.” ”Doesn’t it you?” the guy sputters in disbelief.

Connery puts on his glasses and smiles. ”Sweating is what we do.”

Mr. Voice takes over for the rest of the trailer, and the thing I like about this one is the way they try to at least introduce the abilities of the characters even if they still don’t use their names. “They were called...” he begins, and we see quick dissolves to Quartermain, The Invisible Man, Mina, Sawyer, Jekyll, Nemo, and finally Dorian, so fast they’re hard to register.

”The vampire...” We see quick shots of Mina sweeping into a room, and another shot of her with fangs out.

”The gunman...” Several shots of Sawyer with his guns, and one shot of he and Quartermain running side by side.

”The pirate...” Nemo standing on top of the NAUTILIS, which we don’t see, the night sky and the ocean behind him. We also see several quick images of Nemo fighting. It’s aggressive, acrobatic stuff, reminscent of the way Blade fought in the first film.

”The immortal...” Townsend seems to be playing up the foppish side of Gray as he blows someone a kiss. We also see a longer version of the scene in the library, and this time we see the bullets hitting him, shredding the books in the room and sending up a snowstorm of paper. He walks over to a guard, and here’s where an unfinished effect robs a shot of some of its potential. Gray’s shirt is open, and the guy looks up and says, “What are you?” Gray smiles and replies, “Complicated,” which would make more sense if we could see the bullet wounds in his torso as they heal up. In the final film, the shot will be totally different.

”The freak...” Same thing here. There’s a shot of Jason Flemyng as Jekyll, and it looks like he’s grabbed by a monster and lifted, and then we cut to a close-up of Mr. Hyde lurching forward out of the shadows. I’m sort of at a loss to describe the makeup on him. It’s his face, but he looks like he’s wearing a sort of muscule suit. As I understand it, there’s more work to be done on the character, with CGI augmentations.

”... but when civilization faces destruction...” Shot after shot of chaos, and Mina walking down some stairs in what can only be described as Victorian fetish wear. She smiles at Sawyer and says, “Don’t worry. I’ve had my fill of throats for the evening,” and then Mr. Voice comes back in for the punchline.

”... they will be called together.” We see that same shot of the League standing together, turning, and Connery says, “Then the game is on” again, and then the whole thing just turns into image after image after image, and once again, I’m left with more of an impression of Quartermain and Mina than anyone else. One thing’s for sure... they gave Sean a lot of action, and he’s not looking as frail as he did in, say, THE AVENGERS. My biggest complaint about this trailer is the garish and ugly BATMAN & ROBIN font they use for the main title. It seems so wildly out of step with the style of the rest of the film that it’s jarring. That’s a minor thing, though, and overall, these two trailers have made me think that this may well turn out to be one of this summer’s more exciting rides. At the very least, I’ve opened my mind to the film, and that’s more than I can say about my attitude towards it last week. That’s the mark of what good film advertising should do, so I guess these trailers did the trick.

Keep your eyes peeled two weekends from now, and you’ll get a glimpse for yourself.


Speaking of Michael Fleming, he was the one who floated the rumor last year that George Miller was going to sign on to direct the Warner Bros. adaptation of WONDER WOMAN. In this particular case, I’m thrilled that he turned out to be wrong (not that the infallible Michael Fleming ever mongers rumors or anything), because if one of my favorite filmmakers had ended up saddled with the nightmare that WONDER WOMAN is shaping up to be, I would have been miserable.

I’m not sure what Becky Johnston (PRINCE OF TIDES, SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET) did on the script as compared to Jon Cohen, Kimberlee Reed, or Todd Alcott. I do know that Johnston was the last writer on the film, and I was hoping she would radically rework the script I read last year. I hated it so much that I just couldn’t bring myself to review it. I couldn’t bring myself to believe it was really the direction Warner Bros. wanted to go with the film. I hoped that it was some one-draft mistake, and that they would revise it completely.


Right now, I guess they’re looking for new writers, and drafts have gone out to various agencies. A friend at one of those agencies called me to discuss the horror with me the other day, and I’ll let him describe it to you the same way he described it to me between gasps of laughter:

”Okay, I’m no purist, but I remember a few things about WONDER WOMAN. She was an Amazon, right? Like, from the actual island of the Amazons?”

”As far as I know, yes. A Navy plane crashed on her island in WWII, and she ends up heading back with the downed pilot to check out the world of man. More or less.”

”Dude, that’s so not this film. At the start, there’s this big action scene with Wonder Woman, and her name is Diana...”

”Diana Prince. Right.”

”Only she’s not the Wonder Woman this film is about because about ten pages in, she dies.”

I sighed, knowing what he was going to explain to me. All I could do was nod as he laid it out, since it was the same exact story I’d read.

”And her suit sort of crawls out of the wreck where she died and heads for the nearest city. It finds this girl who’s just some normal girl named Donna...”

”Yeah. That’s Donna Troy.”

”Right. Well, she starts to get these powers, right? She starts changing and doing stuff like smashing doors and flying and... dude, it’s SPIDER-MAN with boobs for 20 pages or so. It’s just silly. Turns out she’s an orphan, but she’s not really an orphan, and her mom is Wonder Woman, but she’s not really dead. She’s in a coma, and when she wakes up, it’s just long enough to tell Donna she’s an Amazon, too, and then she dies again, and Donna has to become Wonder Woman.”

”Stop. Please. Stop.” I couldn’t take anymore. He told me they’re looking to hire someone to get this thing ready to cast quickly, which means this is it. This is the story they’re using. This is the way Warner Bros. has “reimagined” the archetype for the year 2004.

I just don’t get it. I know I opened and closed today’s column with comments about Warner Bros., but what the hell am I supposed to think? These people are out of their minds, and if rumors are true and DC Comics is trying to get more involved in the process, that can only be a good thing. I ran into Avi Arad and Kevin Feige outside Friday night’s screening of DAREDEVIL and talked to them for a few minutes about how work is progressing on HULK and X-MEN 2, and I ran a few rumors past Kevin (who has an admirable poker face, I must say) to see if I could get a reaction. The one thing that was impossible to miss with them is how pleased they are with the films they’re making. Avi isn’t just a toy salesman anymore, crazed by merchandising potential.

You look in his eyes now, and he’s a full-fledged fanboy. No doubt about it.

I feel bad for DC in this regard. They don’t have a choice in how their films are translated to screen, and they don’t have the muscle within the corporate structure to force Warner Bros. to pull their heads out of their asses. Instead, they’re just like the rest of us... spectators watching this amazing slow-motion car crash, one body piling up after another. I have no idea what is going to happen to this film, and since they haven’t hired a director, there’s still a chance it won’t happen, but if I’ve learned anything from watching Robinov and his circus of goons at work recently, it’s that if there is a bad choice to be made, they are fully committed to making it. If you love WONDER WOMAN, my advice is to forget this one. Just let it go. And to Warner itself, I repeat...

Stop. Please. Stop.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • Feb. 3, 2003, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Wow! Brett Ratner actually over-values his own talents!?!!

    by Cash Bailey

    And he was always so humble in interviews and on his DVDs. Seriously, the guy couldn't direct a test pattern and there's no way known Warners will fork out $150+ million to as pedestrian a director as Ratner, regardless of how much bank his mediocre flicks have made. Let the guy make all the RUSH HOURs he wants. We all know he just bangs starlets in his trailer while Jackie Chan does all the work, and that his sole piece of direction to Chris Tucker consists of "Do you think you could be a little more shrill and offensive in this next take."

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Very good arcticle. Very laid back, quite deep.

    by Aronld Scazziger

    Good to see that one can still have hope for AICN HQ/labs/whatever. Thank you. Good start for the day.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Nice report

    by castle4

    Always nice to read your articles man. I viewed LXG the same as you, fan of the comics, but deeply worried by what i'd read of the flick. I'm looking forward to DD after reading the non-spoiler element of your review. Cheers

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 4:36 a.m. CST

    This topic was actually brought up Friday afternoon on Jon Favre

    by MovieView

    {} Supposedly, all rumors in Hollywood come true. You'll see how this ends up. Michael Bay will be directing Superman and Ratner is out.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 4:47 a.m. CST

    If it is a WB-DC movie im just going to save the effort and avoi

    by Gutter-Glitter

    but i'll give LXG a go...that Peta Wilson...yum.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Superman is Spider-Man in a cape.

    by KONG33

    Wonder Woman is Spider-Man with boobs. Wow. That really sucks raw.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:39 a.m. CST

    I hate trailers...

    by Feudal Fetus

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:41 a.m. CST

    It's Amazing how right AICN was about Superman

    by KONG33

    ...when it looked like the exact opposite was true. You were right on 3-4 actors... the script, and it sounds like directors also. While WB bullshitted to everyone's face.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:42 a.m. CST

    I'd like to hear THE VOICE say...

    by KONG33

    "MR.HYDE, ALLAN QUARTERMAIN, and so on..." they should definitely let people know the names, otherwise these trailers sound SO confusing.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:47 a.m. CST

    AICN aknowledges the Superman controversy

    by Silvio Dante

    No need for congressional hearings then. Good job, great read. As for WW: One would think Warners can afford to by a clue with all the money they're making from Harry Potter franchise - those films are success because they're almost painfully loyal to the material they originate from.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:50 a.m. CST

    BUY a clue, even. Damn.

    by Silvio Dante

    Hey can't wait for LXG trailers either. Those images at Comics Continuum site couple months back were...interesting.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:51 a.m. CST

    I also hate accidentally hitting the enter key...

    by Feudal Fetus

    Trailers are the worst part about going to the movies nowadays, besides the three hours of coke, cellphone, and car commercials. Mr. voice as we're calling him either says, "In a world..." or something like, "Billy Preston was an ordinary kid from the streets, with a big problem. Until one day..." Most action movies trailers have what isn't exactly music over, more like a low bass rumble, until the end when they show shot after shot, then they have the "Duel of the Fates"-esque choir belt out, La! La! La La! Or how about romantic comedy trailers where they play some Lisa Loeb sound alike, and Mr.Voice says something like, "This December, fall in love again." Hands down the greatset trailer of all time was "A Clockwork Orange." You know, the one on the DVD.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Why Ratner got the job

    by su12345

    Her mom is a famous jewish socialite. I think the path of Ratner's career goes something like this: "Mommy, I want to be a movie director.""Of course, my dear. Let me make a few phone calls." Viola. Forget talent, connection is all you need in Hollywood.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 6:28 a.m. CST

    You'd think with AOL Time Warner

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Making the biggest loss in US Corporate history, these morons would be rather keen to make a large number of succesful movies... Apparently they're using the star of 'Dude where's my car,' and the Director of Rush hour 1 and 2, Brett HACKNER? Bwahahaha!!! Are these guys serious? No wonder Time Warner's going down the gurgler with fuckin idiots like this, running this rockshow. Cheers.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 6:42 a.m. CST

    and AOL/Time Warner wonders why they lost 100 billion dollars in

    by Red Raider

    Lex Luthor in the CIA? Suit in a can?! Wonder Woman's"crawls out" and finds it next champion?! WHAT IN THE NAME OF RIHCARD DONNER IS THIS FUCKING RETARDED SHIT??!!!! You know what, go ahead and fuck things up Warner Bros. Screw up all your superhero franchises. At this pace you'll break the record losses earned during 2002! Assholes.......

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 6:53 a.m. CST

    I have said it before and i will say it again.

    by KID AB


  • Feb. 3, 2003, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Bollocks to this....

    by Beastie Bat

    I've had enough of the WB and their seemingly one minded mission to FUCK DC comics in the ass until they bleed. Why not take the highest selling trade paper back or comic run story and adapt it to the screen? Personally, i'd get Jeph Loeb to write the scripts but that, i suppose, makes FAR too much sense. Bollocks.

  • !!!!!!!!!! GET PATRICK WARBURTON, OR JUDE LAW IF YOU MUST GO FOR SOMEONE YOUNGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 7:40 a.m. CST

    "Of course, the one time I have substantially different informat

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Wow, aren't we being petty here Mori? Or were you counting on the fact that no one would be able to read Variety for lack of subscription? YOU were the one that called the guy out, its not like he just came out of nowhere and was like I think I'll see how many AICN rumors are shit (that'd be a lifetime's work). He responded to YOU basically saying that he's completely out of the loop and the credibility for his Nolan story on Batman is questionable because of it. It's been said before but it looks like it needs to be said again, you guys run a cute site here, but get the hell over yourselves. And this is what he wrote in response, hardly going "bitccakes" or dramatic on you, and fairly tempered compared to the arrogance you displayed in your write up of the Nolan scoop and this "article" right here: - side note, I am glad to see Newsradio quotes anywhere, man I miss that show.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Why is the WB, finding it so hard to make Wonder Woman?

    by Steal_Dragon

    I never read the comic, but I watched the very hot Lynda Carter jumping up and down in red, white, and blue. Diana Prince, was this amazon that won this contest of might on Paradise Island. She left the island, because superspy Steve Trevor, crashed his plane there. He told the amazons' that some crap was going down in the outside world. Diana used her lasso to wash out Steve Trevor's mem and told him to create a persona for herself at some CIA type place so she could help the US (like a history of Diana. A Birth certificate, social security numbers, etc). Diana was like a Sydney Bristow type spy, with Steve Trevor as her parter, like Michael Vaughn. They went to other countries and stuff fighting for the USA. Whenever she got into trouble, she just spun around and gave the guys watching her on tube instant erections. Why not base it off of the show (minus the invisible jet, and spinning around.) If the show isn't like the comic book, who cares; it kept me watching. The WB didn't worry about changing storylines when they were writing the Catwoman movie.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Hey, Wait A Minute

    by Tao Of Dumbass

    When did ILM came on board to work on X-Men 2? I am missing something here?

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 8:42 a.m. CST

    LXG faithfulness

    by Lujho

    I'm not so pissed at the lack of faithfulness to Moore's comic... It'd be nice it was a bit closer to it, but whatever, Moore seems doomed to have his books butchered on film (please don't let that be Watchmen's fate, hopefully the script for that is as good as Mori's review says it is). However, when the writers fiddle around with the works that LOEG was based on, it's a little annoying, they're disrespecting some of the greatest writers of all time (Mina Harker an actual vampire? I guess the end of Dracula was all for nothing then). I also dislike the use of invented characters for the villain and invisible man (as opposed to being "The Doctor" Fu Manchu and Hawley Griffin they are made up characters that aren't from any actual literature). At least they've left Nemo as a Sihk, as opposed to the James Mason (and Michael Caine and others) western version of Nemo.********** As for the DC superhero stuff, it just beggars belief how stupid WB are. Superman may end up okay if they can get their act together, but Wonder Woman sounds like a disaster in the making.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Wonder Woman? why bother.

    by manwiththedogs

    She's the 2nd lamest charecter in the DCU,the first being, of course,Aquaman. WB seems determined to drag the whole genre into the shitter. Thank God for Marvel Films.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Wonder Woman Second lamest?

    by Silvio Dante

    I always thought Red Tornado took the cake. Number one, of course: Metamorpho. Not the powers but the whole design: that's a metahuman? That's a costume? He looked like undernourished corpse, fer Pete's sake.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by banshee

    For the love of GOD, isn't there ONE PERSON at the WB with just the slighest piece of RESPECT for DC's superheroes? Obviously not judging fom the scripts for Catwoman, Wonder Woman and most of Superman.____I only have faith in Batman since Frank Miller himself is writing that.____Hey WB, re:Wonder Woman, just adapt the first six issues of George Perez's run and be done with it. Christ, you people are stupid.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by Crithon

    I'm a huge comic book fan like anyone here but I do ponder as to what about Bruce Timm, Paul Dini and Allan Brunnett's animated DC adaptaions? I agree that listening to DC adapting Wonder Woman is like watching a car crash...... shudder, shudder, shudder... I really have enjoy how the Justice Leage has adapted Wonder Woman and made her the Amazon goddess I initially read in the comics. Why isn't Warner Brother hiring Paul Dini or even Alex Ross to be involed in any of these movies? I thought their annual over sized comics caught enough media attention to have faith that this generation can believe in super heroes like Captain Marvel, Superman and Wonder Woman? I hope your reading this Moriartiy, and I hope you can tell us why they are ignoring the talents at DC, especially now that Batman comic books are selling out faster then they come in (All becuase of Jim Lee's art work :) )

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 10:24 a.m. CST

    he really

    by ZO

    is a pretty bitter guy. luckily u got a forum here to "defend" yourself

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Brendan Fraser is sups!

    by spider-ham

    Just cast Brendan Fraser as Superman. Geeez guys. WB has him in a picture deal so that could get him without paying an arm and a leg. He is the right age. He could pull off dorky Clark Kent from off the farm easily. He is a name that in a decent action film can pull in female movie goers. If you look at his movie choices, its clear he will not balk at a less than good script. Ofcourse the best choice is an unknown but if they have to have a "name" to head a 200 million dollar film then Brendan Fraser is the perfect choice.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Let me get this straight...

    by RenoNevada2000

    Diana/Wonder Woman dies, her suit CRAWLS off of her in search of a new champion levaing a naked corpse?!?!?!?! Classy...

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by RenoNevada2000

    Anyone know which theatres will have them?

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by tamarac661

    Come on! How could anyone hire him to be in a SUPERHERO movie? I have seen Bill & Ted Redux (Dude, Where's My Car), and other than That 70s Show, I will not be watching anything else with him starring. Way to ruin a movie.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Joseph Kahn is a walking piece of shit

    by spectredoggie

    This is a true story: Joseph Kahn directed the Enrique Iglesias video with Jennifer Love Hewitt. After working his crew overtime the day before, he illegally insisted they continue at the crack of dawn the next day 100 miles out in the desert. After driving all night, overworked and with no sleep, an art department member fell asleep at the wheel and drove off the road. The passenger was killed immediately. When word reached the set, some of the crew wanted to go to the hospital where their friends had been taken. Joseph Kahn offered no apology or thought towards the tragedy. Instead he screamed that the crew had a shoot to finish and if anyone left the set they might as well leave their careers behind. Several left anyway, though many stayed, having seen him follow through with similar threats on other shows. This business is filled with both good people and people who would run over their mothers with a grip truck if they got in the way of their careers. Joe Kahn doesn't deserve to direct gonzo porn, much less a studio feature. He deserves to be in jail.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Excuses, excuses.

    by Dark Howler

    I figured you guys would try to say you were still right and everyone else it wrong. It's all a big conspiracy. Please! So, you were right about the actors up for the role. So what? You were still completely wrong about about Ratner leaving and Michael Bay being considered and the budget which isn't even set yet. I believe that you guys even said that McG was being reconsidered and then a day later it was revealed on other websites that he was doing a different movie. I guess he was just reconsidered for about a minute, huh? Just face the facts. AICN has now become mostly a gossip website. Sometimes, you get it right, but most of the time not. It's fun to read, but can't be taken very seriously. Huge grains of salt is required around here. Also, Variety only ragged on you AFTER you had accused them of not knowing the facts. Get a clue, man. You were WRONG!

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Who realy cares anymore?

    by PurityOfEssence

    A new superman film I will belive it when I see it. Look how long it took to get spiderman (or the xmen) off the ground. The thing is I dont even realy care about movies anymore (at least today). But Superman should be reimagined as a street-smart inner city kid who discovers his powers after being beat up by rival contestents in a rap concert. He could be played by Eminem or somebody. Also, as superman gets older he should develope a gender Identity crisis, and start wearing (Lana or Lois') clothing. Then they should also have supe's a bunch SMG's and Assualt Rifles. Steal as many lines from Pulp Fiction as you can, and you have the Citisen Cane of super hero movies. Also Supes, Lanna, and Lois need to have a love triangle going, except with supes actualy ending up with the very flamboiently gay Jimmy Olsen. A young news boy who is a photographer and love slave of the daily planets news editor. Lex Luther should be played by a woman who is in love with Clark (secretly atracted to Lois) and hates Superman. There should be lots of nudity, gore, profanity. But in the end superman finds that he was realy sent to earth to bring it to peace through his rap music, and live his life as a Bisexual-crossdressing-hedonistic-demigod with a penchante for afternoon tea.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Fuck Warner Brothers,...

    by IamMacGuffin

    ...fuck them up their stupid asses.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by MiltonWaddams

    choices for playing superman: ashton kutcher and the guy from joe millionare. for fuck's sake. why not christian bale? he's supermany enough. oh well, fuck this. superman sucks as far as characters go anyway. creative design meeting for superman: "hey guys, i got an idea for a new superhero." "what can he do?" "what CAN'T he do is the question!". my crank remains unturned.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Would you suck it up and take it like a man!

    by ac_01

    Seriously, I was wondering whether this so called 'news' site would acknowledge their mistakes or pretend it never happened. Looks like you went with the half-assed approach. Saying that everyone else is wrong and you were right all along. C'mon! Take it like a man! Admit you were wrong! What little credibility this site had left is being pissed away. You guys should move to England -- you'd fit right in with the british tabloids.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 2:48 p.m. CST

    WB did not change the script because of fanboy backlash, come on

    by Moriarity Report

    ...we must remember that we are just a very small percentage of the people who actually go see films like this. I would say our opinions might hold some weight with regards to some small films, but nothing like this. We're just a vocal minority here. I think WB made script changes because they felt the script had some major flaws, these changes were in place long before Mori published his criticisms of the script. You just have to keep in mind that this is, in part, an opinion based, slightly tounge in cheeck newsite; it's the Rush Limbaugh of internet movie sites. Moriarity knows that these changes weren't made because of him, or us, he's just hamming it up.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by dwam0

    The Superman copyright issue was settled out of court and seems to be a licensing agreement between the families of Siegel and Shuster. I say seems because details were never released// I know you and I may not believe this, but there is no film development division at DC. Neither Warner Bros., HBO or any other film division interacts with DC// Moriarty can correct me on this ( by the way, I think your reporting has been superb) but the problem is that DC isn't allowed to license the characters to a third party to do a film or television deal.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone keep complaining? These are GOOD signs.

    by Moriarity Report

    I am so hopeful for this film because Warners keeps switching things around and showing some effort regarding this film. They are taking their time trying to get the right production made. We really need to give WB some credit here. They are talking with everybody. There are reasons why these deals keep falling through, and many of these are good reasons. They want to get an actor who will commit to playing Supes for ten years, so we don't have to suffer through three different actors in the lead role in four films, the way we did with Batman. They want to get an actor who can be believable in the first place, not a well known comedian like they did with Michael Keaton. This is going to be the biggest movie ever, WB doesn't want it to be DOA. Like Mori pointed out, they've already sunk some 30 million into this from the Tim Burton preproduction phase. Luckily the powers that be realised a Tim Burton helmed, Nic Cage starring Superman would have never worked and production was halted, to WB's loss. I see some of the same things going on here. I bet maybe Ratner seemed like a good idea to someone for this picture at some point, but now they are starting to reconsider. These are positive signs, so all of you AOL/Time Warner haters need to just stop bashing and wait and see how this all turns out.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Superman and Batman need to take a clue from the James Bond seri

    by the G-man

    James Bond movies don't tell us his origin and they don't spend half the movie on the origin of whatever meglomaniacal villain he is fighting. They start with action sequences, do some credits, set up the plot and get going. Like James Bond, everyone knows who Superman and Batman are, and everyone will accept colorful, larger than life villains showing up. WB needs to stop trying to tell everyone's origin and just tell cool action/special effect oriented stories.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by waters

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Natasha Henstridge is Wonder Woman

    by Declan_Swartz

    She is one of the hottest "big" girls in Hollywood; by big I mean tall. I think she would be great for the role.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I agree ... Brendan Fraser

    by riskebiz

    I was watching Bedazzled this morning before work and he is so versatile. He can play Clark Kent perfectly and can act all heroic as Superman at the drop of the hat. He has the looks and build for it, too. Brendan Fraser should be Superman.

  • I hated the Wonderwoman script as well. I read it about a year ago too, so it must have been the same one. Terrible. This weird spin off character of Donna, Diana's daughter is just dumb. They need to stick with the pure story of Diana, the amazon princess and just bring it into the year 2004! What is wrong with these people?! I'm no writer, but I know Wonderwoman, and I could write a better script than what they have! Anyone could!! Someone please shake some sense into these people at WB!!! Please, for the love of god!!! Don't ruin one of the only good female superhero stories! Maybe if they actually got someone who is interested in Wonderwoman, they could make a good story. It is so obvious that the writer doesn't know a thing about WW.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Stupid, stupid studios

    by howbig55

    First of all in my opinion all comic book films have failed in one retrospect or the other to bring the feeling of the original novel to the screen. That is except for Miramax with Alex Proyas' excellent adaption of the Crow, but still that movie comes no where near close to capturing the original hurt and pain of the book. Superman was too cheesy, Batman, well lets just say that the only worthy Batman comics were "The Killing Joke" and parts of "The Dark Knight Returns", but other than that no greatness with Batman. Spider-Man the villan was stupid, and the whole movie suffered too much cheese in the last half. X-Men was alright, but its pretty hard to adapt anyways since there are so many divulging storylines and themes that one has to adapt for that one. Turning LXG into a film was probably one of the dumbest ideas i have ever heard of, but hey who cares about my opinion. Hulk looks horrible. Hopefully Daredevil wont fuck up. Also on the subject of superheros, Superman does not need a second generation adaptation. How about the studios try this on for size: Get an original idea for an action flick, instead of whoring a different type of media, and calling it your own.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Man, Mori, sometimes you seriously rule.

    by a goonie

    This is one hell of an article you've written here. Great stuff. Your bit about Fleming was awesome. And as for this Supes project, seriously, even if this movie never gets made, it will remain one of the most entertaining projects I have ever had the pleasure of following. I have enjoyed every update (however bad) and continue to look forward to this movie getting a cast together. It'll probably suck. The only potentially positive reason to remake this movie is probably effects technology, and the ability to truly knock our socks off. But even then, the effects work in Donner's '78 original are so mind-blowing, and so devoid of CG work, that this new project seems almost pointless. That is, except to make WB a lot of cash. Either way, though, I'm having a blast.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I wonder if these moe-ron butt burglers at Warner Bros. even rea

    by Red Raider

    ...and I speak, of course, of KINGDOM COME. Alas, the WB is too fucking stupid to see what's right in front of their faces. Anytime I hear a disgruntled customer of AOL or Road Runner dumping their service, or anytime I hear someone blast yet another shitty film Warner Bros. produces, I laugh my ass off. The government went after Microsoft with a vengeance. You think they would already be all over AOL/Time Warner! I live in San Antonio, and here, if you don't have Time Warner cable, you don't have cable! Why? Because Time Warner dominates the market, and as we all know, they keep jacking up their rates. Their excuses for the rate hikes are lame & laughable. FUCK AOL/TIME WARNER!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 8:12 p.m. CST

    "...and the thing that stood out to me is that there

    by Skylord2

    well, DUH!! THey're called HYDE and INVISIBLE!! Exactly HOW much do you expect to see of them anyway?.....................Wonder Woman will suck. WB will stay afloat with Matrix and Harry Potter but otherwise will be worthless on the world market. Unless they shape up and realize that adaptations of comic books are for the FANS first and for the BANK second, they'll piss off the fans and hold dick in the bank account. It's just that simple. My God, I cannot believe Nicholas Cage was being considered for Superman. WB needs to let go of this if they want any shot at respect. Let the fans and creators write, and direct these films. Otherwise, Marvel and FOX and PARAMOUNT will buy you out with LARGE bank accounts and fan support and bury you. ................................... Personally, there's only one DC title I want to see made: Resurrection Man. Boy, you wanna talk about a fun ride and a great movie?? That would truly ROCK. special guest star, THE HITMAN.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by TomVee

    Challengers of the Unknown I have such fond memories of this pre-Fantastic Four team back in the 50s. They would make a perfectly serviceable TV movie, like the Blackhawk Squadron. And the Doom Patrol would make a neat feature-length cartoon.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 9:40 p.m. CST

    OT--Satirical George Lucas / Star Wars stuff

    by tritium

    Has anyone seen this? Link below: Thought it was pretty funny.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 9:41 p.m. CST

    i really hate time-warner-aol!!!

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    this wonder woman movie is one of those perpetual bad jokes that the wb clowns keep throwing at us. i wish new line would make the dc movies and tell wb to shove harry potter's broomstick up their ass.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Ladies and gents, I think that it's time for a hostile takeover

    by Noriko Takaya

    By the 82nd Airborne. Yes friends, due to their willful screwing-over of treasured national icons such as Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman, not to mention their totally incompetent antics in their other business endeavors (I wish *I* had $100 billion dollars to LOSE), AOL/Time Warner has proven that they are clearly on the side of the terrorists--indeed, that they are on the side of Satan himself. No, scratch that last part--ol' Lucifer isn't that much of a total mouth-breathing ignoramus. He'd put together a better WW film then what the WB is planning, even if it *would* be rated NC-17. ^_^;. In any case, I now have no interest in seeing any of the forthcoming DC superhero "movies." And that's a damn shame, but I'm on a budget and don't want to waste my money on what is sure to be utter crap. So until the paratroopers land on WB's rooftop and all of their exec's wind up at Camp X-ray, Make Mine Marvel. Toppu o Nerae! **AUFT**

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Whats happening with DC and WB is the WB has a full roster of mo

    by TheMatarife

    This is why we should be glad some other comic properties arent owned by an even more idiotic studio like MGM or whatever. The only thing that stops Marvel films from getting raped is their creative control. Hollywood has too many morons running around who seem to have zero talent yet lots of power.(eg Peters, Akiva Goldsman) These people ruin plenty of projects with gay robots or spider creatures or whatver, but still get to make movies. Don't trust them.

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 10:59 p.m. CST

    A great way to start a WW movie!

    by ako

    INT. DAILY PLANET LOBBY A statuesque WOMAN (#2) dressed in a long skirt and conservative blouse enters. Her body is that of an athlete. Her legs are to die for. Her skin's like porcelain and her thick jet black wavy hair cascades down her shoulders to the middle of her back. She approaches the RECEPTIONIST (#3) who looks up, startled. RECEPTIONIST #3 (startled) Can I help you? This is from the Alex Ford Superman movie script. I think if they do a superman movie first this section would make a great intro for a WW movie. Superman would only be a guest star in this WW movie and would not apear again in it. WOMAN #2 I'm here to see Clark Kent. A man walks by in the background staring at her. QUICK CUT TO: INT. CITY ROOM CAT Hmmmm. More Kansas farm boys? LOIS Cat likes 'em big. It must be all the corn. QUICK CUT TO: INT. OPENING HALLWAY - OPENING ELEVATOR The doors open. Everyone in the elevator is at shoulder height to mystery woman. She exits and they stare. As she walks down the hall and a man carrying a computer monitor sees her, drops it, and it shatters on the floor. QUICK CUT TO: INT. CITY ROOM PERRY WHITE sticks his face out of his office. PERRY (loud) KENT! CLARK gets up and heads for PERRY's office. CAT Why are you so hard on Clark, Lois? RON She's jealous because she's LOIS LANE: ACE REPORTER and the story of the century, the coming of SUPERMAN, was swooped right out from underneath her while she was there; by the new guy, the country guy. The nobody who went to college at Hicksville University in Kansas. The nobody who never had a professional gig in his life and not only does he manage to sneak a story pass the great and powerful Lois Lane, he manages to win a Carlin Award in the process

  • Feb. 3, 2003, 11:33 p.m. CST

    riskebiz ,your exactly right

    by liljuniorbrown

    I watched scenes from the first Mummy movie the other night on AMC.It was just a shot of him holding a torch,but i swear all i could think of is this is our superman.The other people mentioned are only being considered because of they think that 15 year old girls with wet panties will pay to go see Ashton Kutcher,or josh hartnett.Thats bull shit.This is a fanboy movie for fanboys and fangirls.Brendon can act.....bottom line ,don't belive me, watch the Quiet American.It's him or Christian Bale

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 1:15 a.m. CST

    What the Hell? Kelso?

    by Daj

    Why the hell are they even considering him? He's a bloody toothpick! They need someone that looks the part and is muscular. How he acts is a little more questionable. The look should be first. And no Brendon Fraser either.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 1:39 a.m. CST


    by The Llama

    Moriarty, for making a significant point that a lot of people in the Talkbacks don't really get. Marvel is a company unto controls its characters. DC is at the mercy of how WB execs choose to use its characters, however. It's NOT the fault of DC comics that superhero movie after superhero movie based on their characters sucks. Just listen to Denny O'Neil talk about the process by which Burton's Batman movies were made.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 1:51 a.m. CST

    I'll try to read this tomorrow

    by Galilee

    who cares?

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 5:04 a.m. CST

    James Franco should be Superman!

    by a goonie

    And someone good should direct it! I must admit that I originally thought Ratner was a pretty cool choice. He hadn't taken on a sci-fi/action picture yet, and especially not one of such magnitude as Superman. And the thing is, I really enjoyed both Rush Hour 2 and Red Dragon. Neither are flawless gems (not even close), but they are relatively well-conceived movies that have a good amount to offer. Rush Hour 2 is simplistic escapist fun, but it's well-shot and competently paced. More fun and more ambition than the original. Red Dragon, although nowhere near as good as Silence, is a very fine thriller with a handful of strong performances (by Emily Watson, Ralph Fiennes, Anthony Hopkins, and Ed Norton) and a great score by Danny Elfman. The opening sequence is wonderful and Hopkin's scene-stealing Lecter is, as usual, great fun to be with. Despite what some critic's have been saying, it IS better than Mann's Manhunter, which barely rises above the ranks of standard 80s thrillers. Petersen's performance in Manhunter is wooden, the photography dull and uninteresting, the finale anti-climatic, and those 80s rock songs... don't get me started on those. My point is, I've enjoyed Ratner's work. When I heard that he had landed the Supes gig, I was happy for him. And I was excited in the ways that I've been excited for all these superhero projects with unlikely directors. X-Men had Bryan Singer. MSJ got Daredevil. Peyton Reed made Bring It On and is now attached to Fantastic Four. Ang Lee is of course making the Hulk. These are all strange, surprising, but ultimately interesting (if not entirely cool) choices. To me, Ratner seemed like a nice guy. Like a guy who loves movies and made a few fun ones and now had the chance to make a great big superhero picture. I was on his side. But since those initial comments he made about his framed comic and his reasons for signing on to the project, he hasn't said or done a single thing that piques my interest in a good way. It's like Mori is saying here. He hasn't been showing any great love or passion for Supes. And now... now he's just gone all cocky and gotten full of himself. And now he's pissing me off. If he gets replaced, I want be disappointed, believe me.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 6:11 a.m. CST

    by pencil-man

    you know i don;t care about it, kid=ss m genital sss

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 7:33 a.m. CST

    X2 Script Review

    by KONG33

    It's short, and undetailed, but here it is:

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 8:22 a.m. CST

    look at all the idiots

    by AngryAsshole


  • Feb. 4, 2003, 9:53 a.m. CST

    DC vs Marvel

    by flamebrain

    I'll admit I'm not a fan of Marvel comics at all, DC will always be my choice in that matter as Marvel just hasn't grabbed my imagination. But as far as films go, Marvel has soundly kicked DCs ass, and by the sounds of things will go on doing so. Its a shame really since DC has a ton of film worthy characters and yet the best of recent years has been the (still poor) JLA movie. The Horror!

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Superman should be played by.....

    by MechaniFerret

    that Joe Millionaire guy. He has the physique, look, and he can act(maybe a few acting lessons and he would be perfect). Plus, he isn't a huge name star. He is Superman IMO. MF

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Sense my post was inserted in the middle of the talkback...What

    by MechaniFerret

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    X2 Script Review! with link!

    by KONG33

    It's short, disinteresting and a li'l disappointing, but here:

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Warners has one thing going for them ...

    by Gene Clean

    ... and his name is Christopher Nolan. Mori, you should be congratulating these morons when they actually do something right, and they will be way, way right if Nolan does the next Batman movie. The tone, look, and most importantly, the THEMES of Nolan's previous two movies make him the PERFECT choice. Batman is a story of a detective, a rationalist and an empiricist, who is driven to rid the world of criminals who do not abide by the code of the rational mind. (There is a reason all of Batman's villains are insane and reside in Arkham.) The irony in the Batman story is that this super-rational detective dresses up as a giant bat. He justifies this by reasoning that criminals are a "superstitious lot," and, thus, it is a way for him to strike fear into them. But it also suggests that Batman's own compulsion to sanitize Gotham of the insane is just as abnormal as his adversaries' mania. Now, keeping in mind this theme, look at Memento. It is the story of a man who clings obsessively to concrete "facts" to find his wife's killer, a method which he believes makes him superior, but which, in the end, we see has imprisoned him in a personal hell. In Insomnia, a detective basically becomes a vigilante by fabricating facts and faces a criminal who insists that their methods are not unlike. Why would Nolan be interested in doing a superhero movie? Because he recognizes the themes inherent in the Batman mythos, themes which he addressed in his previous films. Burton never understood these themes, which is why his Batman was psychologically hollow. And as much as I loved Pi and the visual aspect of Requiem, Aronofsky is much better suited to material like Flicker. Batman fans should be fucking loving the prospect of Nolan taking on this project. His Batman would be brooding, serious, and psychologically nuanced -- exactly what we want from a Batman movie. There would be NO fucking flying kung fu or polar bears or black lightsabers or any of the cartoonish, CGI-dependent shit that Joel Shumacher gave us and that we have been fearing would be the fate of all future Warners Batman projects. Nolan GETS IT. So why isn't AICN singing the praises of this decision? Come on, Mori, I'm with you on your beef with Variety, but this is not a question of their sources being right. Nolan himself said he was developing this. You've seen how influential you can be throughout this Superman mess, so why don't you use some space in support of Nolan before Warners decides to give it to fucking McG or something. Don't just blast their bad decisions, do some good. Forget Daredevil, with Nolan directing and someone like Guy Pearce in the lead, we could see a superhero movie unlike any we have seen before.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Giant spider

    by Hud

    Now that's thinking!

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Giant spider

    by Hud

    Now that's thinking!

  • I honestly don't think so...They may be slightly more dated and in need of some "cooling" up but they are not really inferior to Marvels. Its just that Marvelo has had less imput into their films (Marvel itself sucking) and the people who do hav eimput are paying attention to the material as it was presented a decade ago when it was relavant. DC is owned by the company that is making the movies and the whole organization has that sorto f malaise commitment to producing crap that has shown up in all kinds of entertainment companies (Lucas I'm looking at you) so I honestly think that Superman and Batman can compete with Spiderman and Xmen and that the Flash and Green Lantern can compete with the Hulk and Blade...its just a matter of good people and quality productions... DC's characters are much more akin to Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers whereas Marvel was influenced by they just need to capatilize on what works best for them. I do think that whatever creator goes into these projects has their work cut out for them in that it will be HARDER to do well but that doesn't mean they are inferior.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Wonder Woman

    by Picard2000

    We now have the technology in place to make good super hero films but for the moment I think Wonder Woman should be put on hold. The real reason is finding a woman with enough dignity and personal character (not form) to fill the costume. I don't think there is a actress around who can really live up to the standards of the character. Any actress considering the role should know the character well before accepting the part and the clothes. This is a character who will either make or break whoever gets the assignment. The TV series was awful though Lynda Carter survived with her head up high. I have always thought WW's mythical origins were absolutely correct. She's not just any girl in a form fitting suit. No artistic license should be taken in retelling her origins and any attempt to do otherwise will fall flat before it even hits the oven. Everything about WW should be as pure and innocent as she was created to be.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, noon CST

    JIM CAVIEZEL for Superman, damn it!

    by Zug

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 12:16 p.m. CST

    An interesting dark horse candidate for SUPERMAN director would

    by JohnnyTremaine

    John Lee Hancock, director of THE ROOKIE and the upcoming THE ALAMO. Of course, Steven Spielberg would be great, but that won't happen; WB won't offer it to him because he'll ask for 50% of all profits. Hancock could be a good, cost efficient choice. And for crying out loud, cast either Brendan Fraser or Luke Wilson for Supes.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Enough already

    by DoctorTongue

    Superhero movies suck

  • first all of what you say about aol/tw is true...I never said otherwise...second all of what you say about the quality of the marvel characters is true... I never said otherwise...Marvels characters have been protrayed well but would the way you describe them be so vivid and rich if you wee describing the original Punisher film or the Matt Salinger Captain America? Do they capture the heart of Captain America or the Punisher? Hell no they suck. Same for DCs films... Your interpretation of Superman is just that. He is someone with near unlimited power in a world of limitless threats. To say the character has NO merit is wrong. You can have an opinion that it sucks for the reasons stated above but the fact remains there would be NO MARVEL without Superman, there migh not have been even a cape and cowl genre in comics without him and his buddies... Obviously SOMETHING connected with people to have circualtions back then that are more than 10 times current circulation. Supes has emotion and can feel pain... A great example was the issue a couple of years ago where he fought the Authorityesque guys that were more powerful and took them out one by one using his head. Supes is a very very viable commodity that is every bit the franchise of Star Wars or LOTR... Even that crappy TV show smallville sucks and its still a success...that being said that doesn't mean AOL/TW won't be able to capitalize on it in any way in a film...

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Howdy, Picard2000

    by Go Dr. X

    Not to disagree with you about the noble, patriotic traits that the character of Wonder Woman should embody and can when she's portrayed well...but sometimes the early comics were not so pure. There's a great collection of vintage Wonder Woman reprints from the late 70's with a foreword by Gloria Steinem. Steinem's essay points out the undercurrent of S/M and bondage themes that runs throughout the original Moulton stories (like the origin of Dr. Psycho, for example). WW not only was dressed like a dominatrix, in her bustier and stiletto heels, and not only did she possess a magic lasso that would bend all bound by it to her will, but there were recurring themes of submission to one's captors---and in fact, binding WW's bracelets (which were originally manacles) would render her powerless. Almost every issue featured at least one full-panel depiction of bondage (see, for example)...I even have one reprint where, no lie, a full leather mask and a ball gag are both used (I'm absolutely not making this up...the story was reprinted in one of the tabloid-sized collections that were so poular in the 70's..."Secret Origins of the Super-Villains", I think, first appearance of the Cheetah). Not disagreeing with you Picard2000, I'm just sayin' is all.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Just to Flog a Dead Horse...

    by Go Dr. X's some interesting stuff on the creator of Wonder Woman and his views on bondage / submission:

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Wonder Woman and LXG

    by NubtheSquirrel

    It's unfortunate that the Wonder Woman movie will completely suck ass. At least we have not one but THREE marvel films that will completely rock. League sounds like it will be good, I'll reserve my full opinion for when I see the movie.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 7 p.m. CST

    Hey, BAMF! I emailed you a response.

    by a goonie

    I hope it helps.

  • Sorry, I can't remember exactly who was talking about it. I think Civillian, Fettacular and Ancient Lights may have had something to do with it. Either way, this is a pretty damn interesting idea. And one that apparently has some support on here. If it happens, I'd love to be a part of it.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 7:43 p.m. CST

    More Superman auditions

    by mascan

    In a development that had me banging my head against a wall, this morning I heard that Evan Marriot (aka Joe Millionaire) has been asked to audition for the role of Superman! Somebody shoot me now!

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 8:32 p.m. CST

    All I have to say is...

    by Zone Zero

    ...DC sucks, AOL/TW Swallows, and Marvel gives the head. That's pretty much what it sounds like. If I can hear it from all the fanboy caterwalling. Stop yer whinin'. TRY AND CATCH ME BIIAATTCCHH!

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Animatrix... now...


  • Feb. 4, 2003, 10:33 p.m. CST


    by originalskoobx

    I got banned before for saying what the fuck. Why isn't civilian being banned for posting everything and anything? Not that I want you banned or anything, its just that you are really making the talkbacks...boring. I don't want to read every thought you have ever had. I don't want to know which music you think is good or bad. I really don't care. You are not as smart as you think you are. Your thoughts and ideas are not as original as you would like them to be. In fact, many of them are quite juvenile. Now, I know, you will probably spend the rest of the night flaming me, but you did ask what we thought of your ideas.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 11:47 p.m. CST


    by Zone Zero

    Allright... You need to invite me, to the kumite, bub. I've been learning your techniques very well. And I have a few of my own I'm yet to unleash. Come on. TRY AND CATCH ME BIIAATTCCHH!!

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 12:33 a.m. CST

    My movie pitch (It's a loooong one folks)

    by Ribbons

    A young civilian attending Kentucky University and dreaming of the unlived life creates a handle for himself and takes the geek talkback community by storm with his straightforwardness and brash opinions. Manipulating a wave of emotion and support, he gets the fascist owner of the website, who is steadily losing popularity among his audience, to allow him his own point/counterpoint column in order to keep public tensions from exploding out of control. The point man to his counterpoint? A confused, earnest young man with the handle Fettarrific (this is also his newly-minted legal name) who unwittingly creates controversy when he speaks. Falsely befriending Fettarrific, the Civilian tears him 9 new assholes every week in their column. Fanboys gobble it all up. The two larger-than-life attitudes, combined with the introduction of Fettarrific's crazy ideas and their subsequent dismissal by the Civilian, elicits many an "Oh, snap!" from geeks behind computers. They check out the column constantly to get more of the renegade opinions that spring forth from the two personalities. Weeks pass. The burgeoning popularity of the Civilian remains. Word is slowly trickling through the grapevine. Industry insiders and gossip magazines alike are claiming that this mysterious young man is the new Harry Knowles, Hollywood's weird relative that airs out all their dirty laundry. They comply with his ideas to keep him content and get mucho success in return. This makes the old Harry Knowles none too happy. Now jokingly referred to as the third Weinstein brother, Harry Scissorhands menacingly walks into the Civilian's penthouse bachelor pad (he's since dropped out of college and left his friends behind) threatens to eliminate his column because he claims it provokes traitorous notions towards the founders of his grand site. But it's no good. "People used to like the work you put out, but now you've gone Hollywood," the Civilian sneers triumphantly, "I'm all you've got left." Harry snarls away, but in his Grinchy heart, he knows that he's right. Once upon a time, he wasn't so unlike the Civilian: his intentions were possibly even purer. But now look at him. Spoiled by the blight that is Tinseltown. 'All the glitz and glamour has made me lose sight of what I really care about,' he thinks to himself sadly. With mixed feelings of envy, remorse, and self-loathing, he allows the column to continue its run. Meanwhile, the Civilian has been hearing gossip of his own. Members of Warner Brothers have even approached him and complimented him on his good work. One in particular drops him an invitation to come an see him sometime regarding his ideas for comic book movies. 'Soon the world will know my name,' he promises to himself with an avarice that's almost frightening to behold. The stage is almost set, and his career in the business of making movies has been progressing accordingly; his star continues to rise. But the development of his character has not been so smooth. Constantly he's received word from his old college friends that he abandoned so abruptly and completely. Still an underground force and only marked in Hollywood circles by his alias, they do not yet know what's become of him. Yet he is constantly inundated with voicemails or forwarded letters from his heartbroken old pals, who, in between getting good grades in college, saving ducks from plastic six-pack rings, and starting a family, wonder about whatever happened to the slightly shy guy who made them laugh and brightened all of their lives. This is particularly poignant, because up until now, the Civilian thought that he was unloved by all but his mom, and she doesn't count. An extension of his childhood practices of escapism, mastering the art of comic book movies would be an achievement of the grandest scale. His goal was already set, and he couldn't look back now. Time continued to progress. He had made some initial contact with the source at WB over coffee, and it seemed he was set to write and helm a big-screen adaptation of 'The Authority.' He also continually denigrated Fettarrific and his opinions behind his Point/Counterpoint vehicle. Ah, but what of poor Fettarrific? He and the Civilian had become roomates, because the Fettmeister had a dangerously fragile psyche, and the Civilian feared to decline his request to live together. The Civilian had become his first and only friend, and his psychosis had begun to gradually subside. True, he still believed that Peter Pan peanut butter and Bally's Total Fitness formed a conspiracy to make people fat and lose weight, then become fat and lose weight again (hmmmm....), but it was much worse. The Civilian still recalls one embarrassing moment, when, out on the town, Fettarrific spotted someone wearing a Two Towers shirt. The Fett assaulted the man with a Bic pen, screaming "This is for Padme! For Padme! Stop making fun of me!!!!!" and was taken into custody. But those days had passed. In Civilian, he had found someone who (he thought) truly listened to his opinion, whether or not he always agreed with it. One day, Fettarrific tentatively confirmed to the Civilian that he had been a positive force in his life, and he didn't know what he would do without him. This put the young Civilian in a bad place. He had come to realize that his existence effected the happiness of others, and Fettarrific was precariously close to another psychotic episode. Civilian was everything to him; how was he going to react when he was dumped for bigger and better things than a weekly on AICN? The Civilian went for a walk on the streets of LA, looking sad while some shitty progressive rock chicks played music over his thoughts. Then he went to a bar and had empty sex with a groupie while he pondered this moral query. He had become concerned that any more abuse in his column could set Fettarrific off, so he focused all his invective on the still fairly shitty operation of WB. This moral decision led to two problems: fans were upset that he and Fettarrific always agreed; they wanted to see some absurdist flame battles. His contact at WB was also nonplussed. The Civilian's criticism had failed to serve as advice and had veered into single-minded insults. People inside had begun to panic at the suggestion that they were doing an irreprably horrid job, and like lemmings they threw themselves out their office windows. Variety buzzed: "AICN informant disses Warner Brothers." Their box office returns began to diminish because of all their negative press. Yes, he still had power. But he had started to lose it. Fanboys weren't pleased by the current lame-osity of his column, and they began to grow vocal about it. "Just give me one more chance," he begged his WB contact. He toiled on his treatment for 'The Authority' day and night. The weekly point/counterpoint became a monthly. Fettarrific wondered why the Civilian didn't come home anymore. But he couldn't let everything slip now. He had to prove himself, had to make his name heard. When he finally created enough free time for himself to peruse the latest talkback feedback, he was horrified at the overwhelmingly unfavorable opinion geeks held of him. Rumors had even begun floating that he was being approached to pen an adaptation of the comic book stinker Red Dawg. 'Well,' he said to himself, 'I won't make the same mistakes Harry did. I'm not going to show any bias. Remember when Harry plotzed over Spy Kids 19, which had been released eight months after Spy Kids 18? You're going to do the exact opposite.' So his assessment of Warner Bros. became even more malignant, even crueler and more intense. The public's interest of him traveled inversely. He was called into a meeting with his contact at Warners under the assumption that he was going to talk about his work on 'The Authority.' In a sense, this was true. They fired him. "You can't do this to me!" the Civilian uttered. "Hey, kid, I hate confrontations. I left a message on your machine, but word has it you spend most of your nights out on the town." Oh no! He left a message. On. The answering machine! That means Fettarrific could have found out that his "pal" been planning to ditch him. Civilian chucked the coffee table out of the way and began the mad dash back to his apartment. When he go there he found the message machine ripped out of the wall. The red dot continued to beep, for a menacing effect. Fettarrific had put a bullet through his own head, which rested on the latest copy of the Civilian's Authority script. Random papers swirled and flew out the open window, also for effect. "NOOOOO....," Civilian moaned. Just then, who should enter the door but Harry Knowles, his Gucci suit and giant girth giving him an intimidating quality. As he approached Civilian, he pulled out an unlit cigar and began chomping on it. "You know, the talkback assholes have given you a resounding 'meh,' kid," Harry snarled. "Look, I've been in a little off-balance these past few months, if I could just...." the Civilian tried to reason with the Red-Headed Stepchild, but it was no use. "Sorry, but you've gone Hollywood. Lost your edge. It's the business, kid. I've gotta let ya go," Harry said gleefully. Then he picked up the gun Fettarrific used to blow his own brains out and tossed it to the Civilian. "Here," he growled, "I know you don't like hookers or cocaine, but this is the next best thing for washed-up has beens. Oh, and I'm taking your apartment. Get out." The Civilian stood there in silence, red eyed and on the verge of a breakdown. "You're a horrible man," he uttered to Harry, and he walked out the door. Alone in the apartment, Harry picked up the Authority script and lit it ablaze. He used the flaming copy to light his cigar. As he puffed away, he walked to the window and surveyed the night sky. "God, I love Hollywood." He grinned, and a single tear rolled down his cheek. Meanwhile, Civilian had checked himself into a nearby hotel. He sat in the dark with the gun to his left temple. It felt cold. As he sat there, he thought about all that he had lost, and all the madness he had caused. Poor was time to end his own life. He really was a nobody after all. The only thing he could create was destruction. 'That's not true,' a voice in the back of his mind said, 'what about the way you inspired the guys at Kentucky? Are you going to walk out on them, too?' Just then, the civilian dropped the gun. He couldn't do it. He began to sob uncontrollably. He had lost his shot at fame, but in the end he had gained something more. Over time, he came to rejoin his friends at Kentucky. Delighted to see the friend they had lost, they had no problem catching up on old times. The group is inseparable, and when the civilian isn't helping his friends end the long-standing war between dogs and cats, or painting murals for retarded kids, he's regaling them all with jokes or frolicking through the Kentucky bluegrass. They still remain unaware that he had a stint as a sarcastic and powerful member of the AICN talkback community, and hopefully, they'll never ask? Still, what about this Civilian's 15 minutes of fame? With his sarcastic guard and penetrating wit, he could have really been something great. As it is, no one knows his name but him. And that's what this is all about, isn't it? Well, I'd say he's earned it. His name wa--*[FIN].*********No Fetts were harmed in the making of this movie.

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Possible "Superman" directors

    by granhalcon

    Peter Hyams! Christian Duguay! Roger Donaldson! Stuart Baird!, the guy who did "National Security"!, Michael Apted!, Brett Ratner!, Mia Vardalos!, Shekar Khapur!, Roger Spottiswoode!, a thousand monkeys! ...

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Does anybody else think that...

    by I_am_a_Mutant

    ... Kirsten Dunst kinda looks like Lynda Carter?

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'll take Moriarty's knowledge of how CAA handles its TOP

    by Neil MacAuley

    Ratner has directed a $200 million grosser. Meaning he is on the A-LIST of Hollywood directors. If he says certain rumors are bullshit and Moriarty is wrong, then it's safe to say Moriarty is wrong. Moriarty is picking a fight with one of the most powerful directors in Hollywood (I said powerful, not necessarily good, please note) because HE WANTS CONTROVERSY AND PRESS ATTENTION. To Moriarty: GodDAMN, man, just learn when to back off. You've been doing this job for YEARS. Sometimes you're wrong, sometimes you get in over your head, sometimes you should just take a CHILL PILL. Cheezuz.

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Wonder Woman

    by CaptainBitchway

    I think the only way the movie will work is if they stay somewhat true to the original storyline. They will definitely have to modernize the story and take out all the Greek Mythology stuff. Yes, it's the essence of the character, but it just won't work too well in a mainstream movie. But things they have to keep are - Paradise Island, the Amazons and there has to be a tournament with bullets and bracelets. Without those essential things, it just isn't Wonder Woman. Also, Wonder Woman shouldn't fly. I know she has been flying in the comics for the past few decades, but I rather see her doing crazy jumps and some funky wire fighting. She should be like Trinity from the Matrix. Her lasso should be more like a batarang - it just flies out and grapples people. As for the costume... they really have to work hard to create something that retains some of the original costume's design, but modernize it somehow. I really can't think of what that would look like though... But please, no black catsuit. That is NOT Wonder Woman.

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Wonder Woman

    by CaptainBitchway

    I think the only way the movie will work is if they stay somewhat true to the original storyline. They will definitely have to modernize the story and take out all the Greek Mythology stuff. Yes, it's the essence of the character, but it just won't work too well in a mainstream movie. But things they have to keep are - Paradise Island, the Amazons and there has to be a tournament with bullets and bracelets. Without those essential things, it just isn't Wonder Woman. Also, Wonder Woman shouldn't fly. I know she has been flying in the comics for the past few decades, but I rather see her doing crazy jumps and some funky wire fighting. She should be like Trinity from the Matrix. Her lasso should be more like a batarang - it just flies out and grapples people. As for the costume... they really have to work hard to create something that retains some of the original costume's design, but modernize it somehow. I really can't think of what that would look like though... But please, no black catsuit. That is NOT Wonder Woman.

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 4:31 p.m. CST

    What good is banning?

    by Virgil Sollozzo

    Dont they realize that anyone who wants to post here will just set up a dummy e-mail address and get a new user ID and password? Jesus.And once theyve done that they'll quickly be identified as their former selves, and keep the same rivalries going.Hell, I did it. On the subject of movies, I dont think much stock should be put in criticism for unlikely choices for superhero roles, since preliminary fanboy bitching is always squelched by the time of any comic movies release..Keaton, Maguire ,Jackman, and looks like Clark Duncan pretty soon, have all made many a basement dweller eat their pre-production words. But Wonder Woman should not be made. It will never work. I can see her now cast in black leather, making crappy one liners about how "girls can kick ass too" (a concept that's never been explored in recent genre/action fare, right?) and horrid girly alternative rock blaring throughout. Cant Happen. For the sake of the studio and all who would be involved, it cant happen. Kutcher could surprise if granted the role of Superman. I just dont think another introductory Superman story ( explosion of krypton, landing on earth, discovery of powers, first appearance in metropolis) really needs to be told. Bring on Batman movies with Scarecrow and Mad Hatter, or if you go back to the beginning, combine elements of Year One and the flashback portion of The Killing Joke. That's Batman done right.

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 6:41 p.m. CST

    CityTV in Toronto just announced that Val Kilmer is signed on as

    by enigmainyourhead

    Anyone know if this is true?

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    There may be many non-believers out there, ... but I'm telling you that Howie Long is perfect for the role of Superman (other than the need to give him the classic Superman black hair, high and tight over the ears with the swirly-Q bangs). And he'd be perfect to play against a George Clooney Batman. They must be near the same age, ... and if Warner Bros. just wanted to do a straight forward "BATMAN AND SUPERMAN" movie with the characters in their prime, they would be awesome in a James Cameron film. (Just look at the movies that Cameron has done with Arnold, ... "Terminator", "T2", and "True Lies".) With Cameron directing, ... Howie Long would BE the MAN OF STEEL. And we'd get the brooding, intense Batman from George Clooney that EVERYONE knows he is well capable of, as he could set a new high standard for the role. -- Come on, Warner Bros., this is the "Batman and Superman" movie you want (and need) to make. James Cameron, George Clooney, and Howie Long.

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    I'm sorry, ... I couldn't help myself, ... but THIS IS THE "BATMAN AND SUPERMAN" MOVIE that Warner Bros. should make, with Batman and Superman in their prime. Let James Cameron work his magic and give him a modest budget of $120,000,000.

  • Feb. 6, 2003, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Give us some real superheroes dammit

    by JarJarJr

    WE NEED some superheroes the Hollywood suits with slide rules can't mess up. What would really float my logs would be a pairing up of Underdog and Diaper Boy (suggestions include Pauly Shore and Gary Coleman) against an evil Michael Jackson plastic clone army. Toss in the grown up Olsen twins as the damsels in distress (strike that, MJ is the villian, substitute young male nobodys from Nichelodeon and a monkey), half a dozen 'fruit carts' throughout movie always center screen, 2 new Aaron Carter songs one as theme for each hero, three extras from the American Idol reject pile (extras), Warren Beatty (pays the bills), a smattering of Veerhoven's orgasmic excessive gore splatterings poorly strewn around like in Starship Troopers, a handful of latext fetishists (tie in with Diaper Boy's bottle, and Warren Beatty), six pages of script - any six pages, from Roland Emmerich's Godzilla (thats a lotta fish!), Jar Jar Binks (again tie in with Warren Beaty, who takes him to a restaurant and watches him eat plate after plate of yummy fixins), a giant laser weapon thingie with a central reactor and a satellite precariously overhead, six pages of script -- any six pages from Armageddon (I could repeat this for hours), three key acrobatic kung fu sequences, at least ten 3D pause and rotate shots (you know what I mean), at least two scenes where the superheroes actually stop and take leaks (or stop and change for Diaper Boy), and endless one liners, and I mean non stop keep em coming. And our superheroes need to kinda hate each other at first. You know, they're competitive rivals, hard drinkers, get in a fist fight with each other while an Andrew WK song blasts. They bust a lot of shit up too. Diaper Boy will say Holy Shit a lot. Underdog lifts his leg and pees on his toppled foes (maybe bring the fetishists in at this point). Also a street car chase scene will be necessary. This will allow the suits to believe they will nail the 14-20 YO males (nail as in guarantee attendance, not as in MJ). Underdog will definitely need to show some tats (or teets if Jennifer Garner beats Gary Colman in casting). Aint it cool???

  • Feb. 6, 2003, 8:23 a.m. CST

    How come it takes decades and second-guess after second-guess af

    by Cruel Shoes

    Weren't they too concerned about this property in 1993?

  • March 21, 2003, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Thank the gods that's over. Wonder Woman get's shelved.

    by sharondeitz

    Just read on Dark Horizons that Wonder Woman has been shelved until further notice. Yay!