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Unbelievably Super Cool MATRIX Sequels TV Super Bowl Ad Online!!!

Published at: Jan. 26, 2003, 8:24 p.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here... Halftime of Superbowl ... Best film trailer of the first half is easily belonging to the MATRIX sequels which just ass whupped everybody else! Here they are...

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  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Neato

    by Darth Melkor

    I think this looks great. Okay bye now.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:25 p.m. CST

    FIRST?

    by dmezei

    SAY THE TRAILER, NOT BAD...

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:26 p.m. CST

    A plea for AICN!

    by BTWR

    I have a plea to Harry or anyone else at aicn... PLEASE THREAD TALKBACK!!! Please make it so that people can have CONVERSATIONS, not 1,000 replies one-after another, which no one can read. In a threaded newsgroup, we can have replies to specific posts, not a reply 25 posts below, and a reply-to-that-reply 64 posts below that, etc etc. Threading is like a usenet group. Please add ***AUFT: AICN Users For Threading*** to the end of posts. Thank you. ***AUFT: AICN Users For Threading***

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:29 p.m. CST

    the trailer

    by dmezei

    ok, so the agent jumping on the hood of the car definitely looked cgi, kind of disappointed after Silver made all this hype about the bar being raised etc, but, having said that, some of the stuff is pretty cool indeed. Can't tell the fighting is too cgi. Doesn't have that matrix feel though, feels more like spiderman, or will smith fighting the aliens in whatever it was called, not really sure this is what we're expecting. The original matrix was all story enhanced by great sfx, but this might be the opposite. I was thinking that the more cgi is farmed out, the less director 'control' the bros have in creating those great shots. It all starts to look like all the other cgi out there...opinions?

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Why May Seems So Far Away OR... Foundations of the Stoned

    by jollydwarf

    I just saw on the Yahoo home page that "Darkness Falls" was number one at the box office. First "Kangarude Jerk" and now this. And Creed. And TRL. And "Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball" for the XBOX. And "watching my team winnnnn...with tha tweens..." On behalf of the United States of America, I'm truly sorry, Rest of Planet. We're not all chromosome deficient over here. Still, it is January (and snowing like a mofo outside) and things can't help but get better at the good ol' cineplex.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:39 p.m. CST

    WACHOWSKI BROS KICK ASS!

    by FD Resurrected

    I take back my original negative opinion about the first Matrix movie because it was too derivative and corny. I realize The Matrix is one of the most influential movies of the 90's. The bar have been raised through the roof to the infinite. Wachowski brothers will rule moviedom this May and November - hard-core Matrix fans must begin ritual worship to the Polish lord Wachowski for keeping them from shooting up high schools, date-raping girls and committing suicide - The Matrix movies is worth not wasting shitty teenage life over stupid little things. Somebody do Matrix hentai drawings with Neo fly-fucking Trinity on the top of her ass and Morpheus whipping out his 12" dick to screw Jada Pinkett!

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Comment On Matrix CG (Repost)

    by Tao Of Dumbass

    Remember, some of the "CG" techniques being used in the new Matrix movies (particularly in the case of the thousand Agent Smiths) aren't the computer animation form that is often the talk of discussion but rather something where the computer reconstructs a 3D subject from a database of photograph or "image information" (this is what is being called virtual cinematography or, as I prefer to call it, 3D computer vision). The computer is given the task to replace all the non-agent Smith actor in the original plate shot with the face of Hugo Weaving from a huge preprocessed image database. Of course, the result looks very "CG" (i.e., calculated) in that the computer is doing the decision making process by some smooth mathematical function, which is not "nonperfect" enough to make the image look real. But who cares anyway? What matter is the whole art direction of the new movies kick arse. Hopefully the movies themselves will do the same.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Try this link

    by Tao Of Dumbass

    http://www.movie-list.com/m/matrixreloaded.shtml

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Please thread talkback and stop accepting ads with sound.

    by jbum

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:47 p.m. CST

    The bar has been raised! To a new low.

    by kdashf

    What the fuck. I don't know about the story but the cgi looked very average cgi. Looks like Silver got a little too excited with this one and nothing that I've seen in the trailer looks like it can't be done by our current CGI standards.Once again I am not talking about the plot or the entire movie experience but the cgi. And shit what the fuck is going on with Reeves and the pole kicking agent Smiths scene. Get the fuck out of here. Let me lay down.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:48 p.m. CST

    they were awesome

    by jerichohol

    esp the matrix ones!!!!! yeah and thread talkbacks - i agree, this is just lame

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Anyone think this year bad movies will actually bomb?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    I mean, there's a lot of good stuff out there, maybe the shit movies will actually bomb and we won't have to worry about being bombarded with more Charlies Angels 2, Bad Boys 2, Terminator 3...or maybe thats just a pipe dream.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:57 p.m. CST

    in one word...

    by cyber

    SWEEEEET!!!!!

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 8:58 p.m. CST

    I support terrorism

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Do you think anyone sponsoring those commercials realizes the reason drug money supports illicits activities is becuase they're dumb asses insist on legislating their morality?

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9 p.m. CST

    GASP!!!

    by 1001 Jedi Nights

    'nuff said

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Wonderful

    by MocToc

    That CGI was amazing. Hundreds of Agent Smiths... human bodies interacting with CGI models. Very cool. Please don't change talkback. We don't need converstations. Threading will only get T.Back into flame wars and arguing that it had years ago. It's nice to have a string of comments that actually STAY on topic. unlike this post :) If people want threads they should go to the forum. hmm.. maybe put a handy link to a forum topic under the Talkback.. just thinkin

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    SWEET HOLY JESUS...

    by CoolDan989

    I must see these movies NOW!!

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:04 p.m. CST

    car demolition

    by dmezei

    they should have blue screened an agent jumping from one car to the next, so it's real, not that fake looking cgi shite. Because the car certainly looks real, but it looks like a freakin cartoon character jumping on it.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Fucking Best Commercial Ever

    by NickFoley

    Jesus Christ, 2003 IS THE YEAR OF THE MATRIX

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Jumping from car to car looked FAKE!

    by TheJon

    Great trailer, but come on... that agent jumping from car to car looked fake. The lighting wasn't right. He seemed too dark. Play it frame by frame and you'll see, it stands out like a sore thumb. Damn that sucks! Oh well, other than that it was an AWESOME trailer!!! Wow!!

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Ummm...

    by Mr. Love

    Has it occured to anyone that the Matrix is part of a COMPUTER system? So, maybe, just maybe, that's how it might look in that CGI world when an agent jumps on a car or when there are many of the same agent? Just a though...

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:38 p.m. CST

    this is your last chance

    by Lelon

    harry + co this is your last chance to stop using sound ads or i will block every ad on your site forever.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:38 p.m. CST

    RIght, I'll just let that download then...

    by Schnorbitz

    I'm glad I've got a magazine to read.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:40 p.m. CST

    The agent jumping from car to car looks kinda cool but pretty fa

    by Darth Phallus

    Hands down the greatest commercial of the Superbowl tho...p.s. isn't Celine Dion Canadian??? Why was she singing God Bless America, my home sweet home...WTF???

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Jennifer Garder?

    by anuar

    Oh NO...here comes the stupid Jennifer Garder Jokes! Trailer looked great even if it was a little fake.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:51 p.m. CST

    SWEET JESUS CHRIST WITH JOCK ITCH!!! THAT TRAILER WAS FUCKING A

    by Red Raider

    The other studios can throw all the money they want at the other so-called "big productions", but the Matrix sequels & the Wachowski Bros. are going to rule master over the box office in 2003! "Mr. Anderson...."

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:54 p.m. CST

    New Agents??

    by Darth Phallus

    It looked like there were three new agents in the shot where they kick in the door. Anybody else notice this? I could be wrong.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 9:58 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT

    by god1138

    Sorry. My jaw is on the floor and I'm having trouble talking right now. This movie is going to be the most incredible, fantastic, amazing, supreme, fascinating, awe-inspiring, fuck you up the ass till you bleed movie any of us have ever seen. The first one redefined action movie - with substance, coolness, and plot. But whoa, Nelly... Reloaded looks like it's going to blow all the competition out of the water. Get ready for THE movie of 2003, folks. *Still gasping for air* Larry and Andy: you go boys. Fuckin' A!

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Looks neat...

    by crimsonrage

    ...but the CGI was terrible. Guess that's what the film's FX dude gets for talking shit on "Star Wars". He was talking like a little kid in the school yard and now he's eating his fucking words. Life is grand.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:02 p.m. CST

    The Matrix sequels not yet rated?! hahahaha this is hilarious

    by pablojakaffo

    I believe everyone can figure out that the first Matrix film was R rated and VERY much so. What can you expect from the sequels? The same tone of violence and possible profanity. This means both Matrix: Revolutions and Matrix: Reloaded are locked with an R rating.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:10 p.m. CST

    OK, so since its already established that the Matrix sequels wil

    by XTheCrovvX

    1. Thank god I'm not the only one realizingthe irony of a canadian singing singing "God Bless America"....2. Remember kids....if you smoke a joint, not only will you be supporting terrorists, you will also shoot your sibling with the nearest gun NOT lying in a lockbox, be arrested while on the john, be fondled by a loving stranger, but when its all said and done, YOU WILL BE PREGNANT! Dontcha just love our scare tactics? :p........and 3...and the winner of funniest commercial is that Reebok commercial and the Tate Bumrush system....feel free to argue, if ya care enough, that is...

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:11 p.m. CST

    CG still a work in progress

    by Kahless91

    Well, for those LOTR fans out there, you will remember that Gollum didn't look so swell in that TTT preview tacked on to FOTR after the Oscars but then was remarkably fixed before the theatrical release. If you look at the bullet time animation in the rooftop scene in the superbowl trailer of the first movie and then compare it to the film it looks alot better in the finished film. And if you look at the part of the reloaded teaser where the car is blowing up and then look at the same part in the superbowl trailer you will notice there is a alot of work that has been done. So just calm down everyone and wait for the finished product. It will be great.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Am I in danger of getting banned when I say FuckHarry-IDid's pos

    by CoolDan989

    Because it was, seriously. I've copied that to my hard drive because it probably won't be up much longer. I have nothing against Harry as much as you do, FuckHarry, but I still found that hilarious.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Darth Phallus

    by VictorC

    One of the three agents in the doorway is one the original agents from the first Matrix. I'm not sure if one if the others is the other "not-Smith" agent from Matrix I.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:39 p.m. CST

    CGI

    by Lobanhaki

    Frankly, I thought the trailer sucked- Just Kidding! Seriously folks, What gives? Some of you are judging two complete movies on what must be a minute worth of cuts, months before they appear on the screen. Some of you are complaining about shots of TENS OF THOUSANDS of Hunter Killers flying through the air, Photorealistic agents smashing photorealistic cars with realistic physics, and then we have dozens of Agent Smith clones fighting in Flo Mo with Neo, and you're complaining about the quality of the effects? How jaded can you be? Effects are never going to be perfect. As long as you're worrying about them, you will miss the meaning the filmmakers put into their work. As for me, I will not worry who's the best, I will go out there and simply watch movies. I look forward to seeing what the Wachowski Bros. can do with The Matrix. Who knows, they might actually pull off something brilliant, like last time.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:42 p.m. CST

    CosbySweater

    by kdashf

    It is a shame that in this day and age that we still have racists in these talkback posts. Even when the topic is about a movie that has themes ranging from unity to enlightenment. Grow up Cosbysweater(look no cursing or worn out jokes).

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:45 p.m. CST

    mr andersssoooon

    by drudgejr

    trinity, morpheus, tank, dozer, mouse, mr. anderson, YOU WILL BE THE FOLLOWSHIP OF THE RING

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Hmmmmm looks good, but I hope the story is what really advances

    by Rogue_Leader

    I hope the storyline remains the primary focus of the films. Matrix Reloaded should be like "The Empire Strikes Back" of the Matrix series. By that I mean its primary focus should be to expand the universe, characters and the overall story. Not show 800 shots of Keanu dodging bullets.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 11:01 p.m. CST

    more of the same

    by KneelBeforeZod

    honestly, this didn't get me excited for the movie. i'll be there when it comes out, but it looks like more of the same stuff. the whole slo-mo fighting coolness is gonna wear out, mark my words geeks.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 11:08 p.m. CST

    What did you expect?

    by VictorC

    What would you have thought would have been cool for the Matrix sequels? Nicole Kidman in a prosthetic nose? Of course it's going to have Kung Fu, Keanu, Bullet Time, etc.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 11:11 p.m. CST

    CAR JUMPING why does it disturb me so?

    by TheJake

    Ok, here's the thing... I watch the commercial and I'm like: "This is the sweetest commercial I've ever seen." Then I call my friends to see if they've seen this sweet-ass thing I've just witnessed. Then I sit on the phone and analyze the shit out of it. Why? Why must I do such things? It was sweet - so why do I disect it to find the flaws? Why why why? Please just kill me now before "Episode III: Attack of the Cow-things of Naboo" comes out or I fear I will go mad. God... sweet sweet God, please allow us geeks to have a film that we cannot find flaws in. Pwetty pwease.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 11:12 p.m. CST

    CAR JUMPING why does it disturb me so?

    by TheJake

    Ok, here's the thing... I watch the commercial and I'm like: "This is the sweetest commercial I've ever seen." Then I call my friends to see if they've seen this sweet-ass thing I've just witnessed. Then I sit on the phone and analyze the shit out of it. Why? Why must I do such things? It was sweet - so why do I disect it to find the flaws? Why why why? Please just kill me now before "Episode III: Attack of the Cow-things of Naboo" comes out or I fear I will go mad. God... sweet sweet God, please allow us geeks to have a film that we cannot find flaws in. Pwetty pwease.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 11:51 p.m. CST

    B moviemaking at its finest.

    by Wino-Forever

    Now let's see if we can make it through this Talkback without anyone name-dropping Joseph Campbell.

  • Jan. 26, 2003, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Quit overanalyzing alfuckingready

    by Chow Yun-Phat

    First off, this quote - "If Jenny Von Oy (who played Six on the show BLOSSOM) had played Morpheus instead of Laurence Fishburne. Also, at the end, when Trinity pulls the trigger on the gun, they should have showed the guys brains explode all over the camera and ooze down. And also, maybe a quick shot of Aaliyah's corpse. Just a thought!" Someone want to tell me what the fuck is racist about that quote? The guy jokes about two black people in a way that had nothing to do with race and suddenly he's racist? kdashf, shut your cock port. You want to be over sensitive, go to the My Pretty Pony Fan Fiction site. You want to try to stir up racial tension where there was none intended, go to Al Sharpeton's web site. You want to prove how down you are with you minority brothers and sisters because you suffer from white guilt and are probably a racist yourself, go to fucking x-forum. This site is about movies and insulting Harry. Go be a hero somewhere else, fuckstick. As for you over obsessed dick heads who want to try and cry about the Hulk trailer and ESPECIALLY the Matrix trailer, go back to playing D & D and leave the rest of us alone. Obviously, your imaginations have loftier heights than actual technology can produce. These movies, Star wars movies, LOTR movies, et al, that's as good as the effects are gonna get. Deal with it. They aren't 100% pefect and realistic. No way they can be in movies of this genre. You don't like it, stick to The Hours and Y Tu Mama Tambien and leave the genre pics alone. Half you fucking geeks will only see genre pics, yet all you do is cry about them. Shut the fuck up already or go wank to Citizen Kane.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 12:23 a.m. CST

    the first matrix was overrated as well as overhyped

    by DancesWithWerewolves

    What killed it for me was that everyone around me loved this movie. It took me several weeks before I had seen it, but when I did, I was pretty glad someone else paid for me. I was flat out disappointed and bored through the movie because basically everyone on earth (there are those few who think low of the movie) talked about how new and exciting and action packed and genius the film was when while i was watching it, i kept thinking that it's nothing but a rehash of over-budgeted fight scenes from John Woo films and spliced with Blade Runner (the greatest Sci-Fi film ever) and layered it on top of Socretes' "Allegory of the Cave" philosophy. Do I think it was a bad choice to go that route? No. But Keanu, being the gloriously bad actor he is, kept tripping over underwritten dialouge that tries too hard to be vague and spelling things out for you without intentionally knowing it. I don't know if the filmmakers were intentionally being ironic, but I found that every human character in the movie still talked like they were robots. If they were trying to make an intelligent Sci-Fi film, they almost succeeded. I personnally think the screenplay could have used a couple more drafts to flesh out the characters and dialouge. That's all I had to complain about it. I love the cinematography, editing, storyboarding, and the story they were trying to go for, but I studied screenwriting for several years, and there were flaws. With the amount of work these guys seem to have put in the new Matrix films, I have more to look forward to. In fact, I'm anticipating them. I'm anxious to see if Matrix Reloaded really is the Empire Strikes Back of the Matrix Trilogy. The trailor was pretty cool, but it kept skipping on me, which was pretty annoying, and Keanu flying I felt looked kinda silly. Other than that, I'm there.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Chow Yun-Phat relax.

    by kdashf

    Slow down dude your going to far. Analyze the Cosbysweater statements and you will see that they are childish and immoral and I will admit you are right and after careful thought they are not racist comments don't go damning me to hell for my opinion of the way I saw a shitty post. And I am white so what's with the racist comments. Jesus and he tells me that I am an over sensitive.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Jordan Playing basketball against himself

    by JUSTICE41

    Did anyoe see that? Was it me or was the older Jordans done with CGI? Sure looked like CGI. Kinda similiar to the type used In Final Fantasy. The agent smith car smash though cool in concept looked really phony. He kinda jiggled while jumping like someone didn't image stabilize or something. But worst was the jump off that car to the next. The Flying scenes looked Ripped from Dark City. Very derivative, Very rehashed. Hell even the fight scene in the lobby is being redone.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Why The Agent Looks Fake

    by Grand Digital

    Microwavable! - That's kind of sort of true. But basically with really extreme movements like the Agent jumping on the car there, or Anakin with the cow, or Blade in some fight sequences, those can only really be done with keyframe animation, or heavily altered motion-capture. Either way they require hand-crafting, and really there is a limit to how believable hand-made animation can be. It's not just about effort, it's about the limit of human skill. Maybe you could do it better though. That last sentence was me being kind of sarcastic.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:26 a.m. CST

    virtual cinematography

    by KneelBeforeZod

    VIRTUAL CINEMATOGRAPHY MY ASS!!! there's no new ground being broken here. the fight between reeves/agents looks quite CGI at this point. for me, i dont mind creatures like the hulk looking computer generated because they are physically impossible. but actual digital people can be quite jarring on the screen...

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:37 a.m. CST

    The problem with the HULK

    by Clark82

    I know a lot of people are complaining about the look of the Hulk, and I can understand where they are coming from. I think what people are seeing is a conflict of themes. While alot of what was seen in the teaser could have come out of any new and totally interesting action movie, the shots of the Hulk scream not only comic book, but also cartoon. However, I don't agree that this is "cartoon network," as some have said. Fan boys for years have been screaming about the purity of their beloved superheroes and their representation on the big screen. This seems to be a very true and faithful adaptation for the Hulk, if in the character design alone. This shouldn't be a problem, except that part of seeing said superheroes in the movies is that it allows us to see what they would be like in, and what might happen in, the "real world." There may be an obvious contrast between these too desires as it seems that both are present in the same film.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:40 a.m. CST

    The Jump onto car looks fake because

    by JUSTICE41

    There are no shadows of the Agent, either when he is in the air or when he's on top of the car. The car and the ensuing debris has shadows. I'm sure they'll fix all that stuff up. Oh by the way, those aren't sentinels following Neo. Those are cars dragged along behind Neo like dust.

  • I have made a $10 bet with my friend that these movies will be good no matter what. After seeing this ad, Reloaded and Revolutions will be unbelievable. I always have doubt with most movies, but I have none with these two. All will be good in May.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Hulk is not close to being finished...

    by JUSTICE41

    ... CGI effects wise. Look at the hand of the hulk as he flips the tank. They don't seem to be in contact. Check out the shot of the obviously full size hulk when standing in front of the military. There is a great haze around his arm. Only problem i'm having is with the Hulks movements. I realzed they are Motion captured and enlarged but he seems to move way to quickly. Man did the Nail the Dale Keown Version of the hulk or what. This is definately the look Keown gave him. More Human like than Todd Macfarlanes look. No One noticed the CGI Michael Jordans in that Nike commercial huh?

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:52 a.m. CST

    That Alias advert made me cream, and so did Shania Twain

    by Sith Lord Sauron

    Who wants to bet that within 10 years we'll have full-frontal nudity on the telly? ***AUFT: AICN Users For Threading***

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Bad effects babble

    by SenatorNado

    All of this "the lighting doesn't look quite right when the guy jumps on the car" nonsense means nothing to me at this point. This film is being made for the big screen... most effects such as this one will look plasticky on a TV (just look at really badly executed effects like Perfect Storm, Spiderman and Air Force One on a TV and they will look far worse on a telly than in a theater). I think this movie will look spectacular on a big screen and they will revamp and darken some of the stuff for the DVD release. They did so with the first film. Go Wachowskis - you guys deserve to claim this year.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:07 a.m. CST

    My Point (I Think) OR... "You're Right, BAUF, You're Right."

    by jollydwarf

    It IS a worldwide situation. I did see some of the European MTV Video awards. Not good. The "Reality Show" concepts are mostly imports, too. ***I was just somewhat overreacting to two universally-bashed films topping the domestic box office in consecutive weeks.*** I DO realize that it's January, but still. I just need to focus my rants on singular subjects. In this case, DTV movies that sneak into cineplexes. And ESPECIALLY DTV movies that edit out quality Estella Warren footage (or so I've heard).

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Further Musings on CG Animation.

    by Grand Digital

    Microwavable....what? Basically it breaks down like this: The animation of the character will incorporate some mathematical simulation, muscle bulging, cloth simulation, whatnot, but simulation software is not generally used for broad character movements at the moment. That kind of movement will have been determined by hand-crafted keyframed animation. That falls into the realm of the animator?fs skil...and there?fs a limit to how skilled even the best animator can be. The Anakin-mounts-a-cow scene, for example, was worked on ILM animators for ages with the sole concern that it looked realistic...but it still falls a little short despite the best efforts of some of the most talented animators in the world. The Agent looks fake to me because of the usual keyframe animator?fs 'mistakes'...most noticeably odd followthrough on the armswing...but it?fs much harder than you think to get that kind of thing right. But, ah, well you could always get yourself a cracked copy of Maya or Soft and give it a go yoself. Send it in to the Wachowskis :)

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:42 a.m. CST

    No threads!

    by Dataset

    The Hulk looked corny, but I will pay to see it. The Matrix looked great. Story is what matters. It could be play-dough stop motion for all I care. If the story is there, I will be too. Now let's pray for movies of the Watchmen, Sandman, Bone, Preacher, Batman: Year One, and Fable. Never actually read that last one, but I must say the premise looks neat. Yeah, NO THEADS, HARRY!

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Jesus...

    by FreeJack

    ...bunch of fuckin' experts in here, dissecting the CG. Oooh, "it's too CG, I can TOTALLY tell that agent jumping 50 feet into the air and landing on the hood of a car moving at more than 100mph is FAKE...this sucks!" Tough talk, Mr. Toughie. "Damn, look...you can TOTALLY tell the Terminator is just a metal skeleton that they're walking across the frame with puppeteers underneath. That totally ruins the movie!" Please. That was some of the most photorealistic shit I've ever seen. Why must the fanboy populace wear their ability to correctly identify CG animation as a badge of pride...who GIVES A SHIT if it's CG? Nobody's ever bitched about practical effects like the "obviously fake" ones in the Terminator movies, why now are people getting their panties in a bunch over computer animation? Suspend your disbelief and enjoy the shit! Fuck, I feel sorry for you SOBs who can't just enjoy the shit. At least The Matrix has a kick ass story, not like that Star Wars horseshit...and THAT is what John Gaeta was talking about when he bagged on ILM...not the quality of their work. His point was the same one Lucas USED to make - that the effects should always exist to serve the story. Tell me what that Geonosis "video game" platforming level did to serve the story and you win some real brownie points. Not that I meant to rant...but this trailer kicked the ass of everything else on the planet.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:56 a.m. CST

    One of the New Agents in the next two movies is actually Jean Cl

    by HuskaVarna

    It's true. Daniel Bernhardt (Mortal Kombat: Conquest, Bloodsport 2, 3, & 4) is playing the role of Agent Johnson. Damnit, now all we need are Billy Blanks, Mattias Hues, Jalal Herhi, Bolo Yeung, & Cynthia Rothrock-(master of the reverse overhead heel kick, like Trinity uses in the Trailer). Look any of these greats up on the IMDB. See who they're connected to. These quality B movie "actors" deserve more screen time in big budget action movies where they don't necessarily have anything to say, but they do a hell of a lot of fighting. It would rule and YOU FUCKING KNOW IT. The geeks of us, we know it!! I would start a petition to hand the mantle of a 2nd Matrix Trilogy, or better yet, a Matrix TV Series, but frankly, I'm too stoned, and thus, too lazy. See you all in 2003. "On The Verge."

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Oh, God help us if every single CG enhanced frame doesn't look 1

    by nazismasher

    And please! if someone could make better digital effects on Photoshop shouldn't YOU be making the damned effects instead of complaining about them? Oh, that's right! too busy being a loser. Though that does have its percs - for example, being able to talk shit like a moron imitating a manure spreader.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 3:44 a.m. CST

    There is no spoon!

    by RogueScribner

    That trailer kicked ASS!!! 'Nuff said! L8r

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Matrix scriptment

    by sparticusmaximus

    This trailer was good because Keanu didn't say anything!------------------------------------------ The Setting It is now 6 months since the monumental battle between Neo and Agent Smith where Neo defeated the Agent and established himself as The One. Since that day he has gone to Zion, met the people of the last city and worked on plans to defeat the Matrix. Within the Matrix, Neo has been able to

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 3:49 a.m. CST

    For Fucks sake

    by Matt Daddy

    Holy shit, you guys. I gotta agree with Freejack, I feel sorry for anyone who isn't just enjoying the ride with these movies. matrix, lotr, whatever, just get into or get out of it. Its never usually the effects which spoil a movie. In Die Another Day, it wasn't the execution of the tidal wave surfing scene which pissed me off, it was the existence of the scene itself- what a shithouse idea that was... But i like the idea of Neo kicking 100-Agent Smiths at once, however they make it happen... but it wasn't the kung fu which left me shellshocked after the first one (although it was really cool, and opened up a world of Wu-ping and other great martial arts maestros to me) it was the philosophical questions and metaphors jumping out of this mainstream roller coaster film. May can't come fast enough now... let alone November.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 3:55 a.m. CST

    HOLY SH*T

    by BRTick

    now thats cool! anyone who thinks otherwise has a serious problem with experiencing joy and needs to take prozac.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Yes conversations

    by DannyOcean01

    As I have yet to master the mystery of dialogue between real people outside the internet. Please help me AICN and thread the talkback.

  • "There is no spoon or bowl, brother, Super or otherwise."

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Holy fuck. That looks amazing.

    by a goonie

    I wisely avoided all the stupid SuperBowl nonsense today by going to the movies to see "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" for the second time, and "25th Hour" for the first. Unfortunately, this means I missed what sounds like a great batch of tv spots. We've all seen the Hulk teaser trailer (and it rules), but man... this Matrix spot rules so much more. This looks literally mind-blowing. I have my few reservations with the first film (namely, the casting) and I fear that the presence of Reeves, Fishburne, and Moss will continue to be a thorn in my side with both Reloaded and Revolutions, but this teaser trailer here hints at something that could very well be flat-out groundbreaking. The CG work looks fantastic and the action sequences inspired. Coupled with the talk that's going around behind the scenes about these movies and the word on "virtual cinematography," I'd say we're in for a real treat.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure...

    by stsdata

    ... I saw anything new here. Some of the GC looked pedestrian; I see a lot of the same camera/bullet-time stuff. It's like watching a sequel to the first movie, using the same production techniques -- which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I can't wait to see these films, but I haven't seen anything yet that would make me think this is a next-generation technology effort. Perhaps they've taken a page from the Lucas' book on how to destroy a franchise and decided to spend more money on the story.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Mr.CGI Stuntman

    by Magic Milkmaid

    I'm sorry but it's just distracting when you can tell it's not a real person. Just Give Keanu a stick and make him hit people with it! *has nasty Blade2/Spiderman flashbacks*

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Matrix... just say NO! to cg stuntmen!

    by Dodgy

    Noooooo, they've gone and done it! The main think I liked about the Matrix was it used good wire work and no cg actors. Cg stuntmen still look poo in comparison with live action wirework, (and I speak as an cg animator so you'd think I'd be biased). Why oh why have they done it? Spiderman looked pants (except in a few shots where it was perfect, the test shot looked really nice too, why did they get it so wrong after?) Blade 2 the cg stuntmen looked bad too, why hasn't anyone learnt? Arrrgh!

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 8:12 a.m. CST

    awefully bad

    by Roli

    This is exactly what they should not have done. For me the matrix worked because i knew..that was Keanu fighting. This CGI stuntment animation is not impressive... nor does it look very stylish.... and neo flying.... i thought they really studied on how to make it look realistic. I am sorry but this looks like shit

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 8:15 a.m. CST

    i thought it was good but not as great as the newspapers

    by jon-e-blaze

    were hyping to be!!!

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 9:08 a.m. CST

    So fake.

    by rev_skarekroe

    People can't really jump like that, or fly. Robot squids don't really exist. And what's with the part where the guy turned into green numbers? B.S. This is almost as fakey as that trailer where they expect us to believe in a giant green man. sk

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Sting Stank Stunk

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    * Celine Dion was born in Canada. Glancing at a globe, we can find Canada is located in America. There will be a test on Friday * The Matrix was a compelling story with masterful directing. The CGI was the butter on the popcorn. YOu didn't see it for the special effects, but they rewarded you for showing up to the theater. Unfortunately, the media hype about Trinity running on walls and Neo dodging bullets has put the focus onto the computers and off of the good story that The Matrix presents. * Is CGI a harmful cop-out to get asses in seats? Consider that when movies finally began to film in color, the same controversies were raised by the old guard - color films were blurry, the audio was blotchy - you couldn't get the same intimate level of mystery and drama as you could with a greyscale set. Color would reduce directing to a side-show and people would see movies just because they were in fancy colors! People who are forlorn about the abundance of CGI/FX in movies are making the same arguments today - and history, specifically cinematic history, shows that they are unfounded platforms.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Chaffro rules, and a question:

    by Three Quarks

    I can't imagine anyone reading this far down in the talkback to actually answer it, but just in case, does anyone know if that draft of Matrix: Reloaded floating around the internet is genuine or not? I recognized some stuff from it in the ad but there was some new stuff, too. Plus the screenplay was more bloody than eight Evil Deads, which seemed a bit off. Anyone?

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 9:35 a.m. CST

    It's all because of Joel Silver's big mouth.

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Let's get this straight. I love The Matrix, LOVE it. And I'll be first in line for Reloaded. But let's face it, those CGI shots look like CGI (ie: CRAP). CGI has always been crap. The only reason we're all so disappointed is because of Joel Silver's bullshit about "Raising the bar? There is no bar!". The effects in Attack Of The Clones and in this trailer are primarily CGI, and this is as good as CGI gets folks. Like it or lump it.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 9:35 a.m. CST

    AWESOME

    by fraggleroc

    CGI or not- it'll be awesome and everyone knows it! One question I have is -- is the trailer scenes from both movies or just reloaded? anyone?

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 9:52 a.m. CST

    To say CGI is fundamentally shite is ridiculous...

    by Monkey Lover

    We have seen the quality of effects CGI is capable of and it will get better. I personally find CGI looks worse when it's being highlighted as the main focus of the screen, with the exception of Jurassic Park, where the dinosaurs are fucking ace. But for the best special effects of recent years (aside from LOTR, which I know some rabid-ass geek is gonna insist I mention) I would say look to A.I. and Minority Report. Both examples of seamless special effects adding to rather than dominating the story. Bosch! But then again, Spielberg is God and you all know it, so shut your arses. But The Matrix 2/3 will rock and are undoubtedly this year's most promising blockbuster prospect. So fuck y'all.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ! You know why (fill in the blank) looks "fake"?

    by Damitol

    Because human beings can't really (fill in the blank) and trying to do it with wires or camera tricks would look even more fake. To all of you whiney asses who bitch about a piece of possibly unfinished CGI you watched over the internet in medium resolution, go see "Maid in Manhattan" or "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" so that "fake looking CGI" won't ruin your movie going experience. Or go see "The Hours". No - wait - the putty that they used to make Nicole Kidman's nose is .01% darker than her real nose. FAKE! Steven Daldry raped my childhood! Here's a clue for you all to catch. If you want to enjoy action films, you have suspend disbelief to a degree. If you want to see 100% flawless CGI, you have to invent a time machine and go about 10 years into the future (but be prepared to spend $25 on a movie ticket and $15 on popcorn). Either suck it up and realize that people can

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:08 a.m. CST

    yoda was not a puppet.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    Yoda was a Muppet.

  • now they go and revert back to every other dumb looking cgi movie franchise out there. grooaaannnnn. I for one am incredibly disappointed. If they had used a cgi Trinity or Morpheus in the original movie flying through the air, it wouldn't have been the classic it turned out to be. I can't think of one shot in the original that looked 'off' or 'fake'. Now we have completely and utterly looking fake cartoons jumping between cars. It sucks beyond belief, but I'm not really surprised because it's no longer the W Brothers directing, its some geek sitting in the basement of Sony or Esc or whatever, recovering from a triple Big Gulp, wiping the fizz from his mouth, scrolling back and forth trying to devise some lame effect that we're supposed to believe looks real. Just stick to real wire work when the cgi looks fake. Do us all a favour and don't lower the bar.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Arcadian Del Sol - Yoda was a *MUPPET*?

    by Damitol

    Damn - then that CGI of him in SWII *did* look fake. I thought it was pretty good for a puppet - but for a muppet

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:29 a.m. CST

    dmezei

    by Tao Of Dumbass

    What about the CG sentinels? Or Trinity kissing Neo? ;).

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Finally a trailer worth salivating over!

    by Precinct13

    These films are going to blow that direct-to-video looking drivel called "Terminator 3" out of the water, without a doubt. I mean, come on! Does anyone really have any interest in T3 anyway? The only shot of that trailer that looked half way decent was of the T-800 endoskeletons marching over the hill. Oh, but wait! That same shot was already used in the second film, so then I guess there was nothing interesting in that trailer at all! Thank you Arnold for milking a perfectly good franchise to try and resurrect you're dying career. Why don't you just run for Governor or something, instead of shitting on Cameron's hard work? T3 without me!

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:53 a.m. CST

    movie cg always looks like crap on tv

    by drjacabo

    thats just my personal opinion, movie cg looks better on the screen because the cg-artists know that they have to convert their digital signal to analogue. except for aotc, which they didnt care that it was going to play mostly on analogue projectors, so it ended up looking like shit. even though im a dvd fanatic, mostly because of the extras you get, i dont like watching cg heavy movies on dvd because they look too fake, except for the matrix and uhh ... wavetwisters. anyways, of course the cg in the ad looks too fake, its meant to be seen through a light projection system, not your television. to break it all down, its supposed to travel on photons, not electrons.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:55 a.m. CST

    CGI or Entertainment?

    by Warlock334

    Hey. Whats up? This is my first time posting so bear with me. I have been reading the talkbacks for awhile now and have grown to respect SOME of the views shared by some of you. What I don't get is this.... Why do people go to the movies? To be entertained, right? So why do we all try to analyze every little aspect, find all the fake parts and then complain about it? I feel the same as everyone else sometimes and get tired of horrible casting and mega-power studios making crap movies. When you go to a movie, you go to be entertained. Of course its fake, its not the Discovery channel. We go to get away from the real world and see other worlds or realities. We go to see something amazing. We go to get caught up in a story and share the lives of the characters we are watching. Who cares if the cgi looks a little fake? Thats because it is. Yes, some cgi is worse than others and yes, some of it looks really bad. Anyways, just my thoughts on the subject. Later.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Stan...A little underwhelmed

    by Warlock334

    Right on Stan.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    commenting on something said earlier

    by drjacabo

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I live in the United States of America. Being called that because it is on the continent of North America, which holds another country, by the way, called Canada. So if a Canadian sings a song about God blessing America, what is wrong with that, shes an American. If you can call someone from Spain a European, or someone from the United Kingdom a Briton, then you can call a Canadian an American. Geeze, and this is not called political correctness either, its called geography, cartography even.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I don't know Stan...

    by dmezei

    If something looks crappy, we're supposed to pretend that its all in the name of progress? With that kind of thinking, we'd all be content driving Lada's and wearing burlap. The WHOLE point of making a movie is to be an artist, to present some kind of artistic vision. The artistic vision always supercedes the technical know-how that goes into it. So the artistic vision should cut out the parts that don't live up to the 'standards' that we expect from the matrix. We expect a higher standard, because (drum roll) they SET the standard with the first movie. My gut reaction, my first reaction to the trailer was 'ouch, that looks fake'. Even Neo whapping Smith on the head with his pole looked like a simulation. Neo looked like he was just tapping the subsequent Smith's as the fight progressed, yet they were sent flying. It's hard to be drawn into a story that's not realistic. I realize they're trying to push the envelope, but they were also trying to push the envelope with the first Matrix, and they succeeded. So how come it's starting to look like Spiderman?

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Harry "I don't watch tv" Knowles

    by superfriend

    The trailer was the 3rd best thing this sunday, the 1st best thing was jennifer garner in Red Lingerie, the 2nd was Jennifer Garner in black lingerie.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Stop Your Whining

    by madoo14

    I seriously can not believe people are complaining after seeing this trailer. CG action shots have come a long way but they are not perfect. Fast movement, interacting with objects, these are extremely hard to duplicate realistically but I think they have done a damn good job. I just wish Harry would put up a screen of the agents piling out of the door (does anyone remember how bad Multiplicity looked). And all this crap about the first one being better because it didn't use CG is bullshit! Remeber the shot of Morpheus jumping the buildings during Neo's training, it was terrible CG (but somehow you all have collectively erased it from your memories). Believe me, we have plenty more cool shit to see in this movie that wil blow us all away, well at least those of us without the stick up our ass.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 12:37 p.m. CST

    whining

    by dmezei

    I can't believe the shite I'm reading about 'stop your whining about cgi'. What the @#$ is the matter with you? Are you all brain dead? When something looks shitty, it looks shitty. End of story. Go play your video games.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 12:41 p.m. CST

    assholes

    by DocPazuzu

    I don't care if this is just a matter of opinion. You haters and CGI-naysayers are all just trying to impress each other and everyone else, who tellingly unbeknownst to you, couldn't give a rat's ass about how cinematically "sophisticated" you like to believe you are. As far as I'm concerned, you are -- without exception -- a horde of rancid, spoiled, utterly unbearable besserwissers who eat huge, fetid mouthfuls of hobo ass. Fuck you. Each and every one of you. This trailer is wonderful. Doc out.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:05 p.m. CST

    your not listening

    by Roli

    We (I) am not saying that CGI is bad, that we hate seeing Computers beeing used for special effects. Actually I believe that you can almost do anything with special effects... you just have to get it right. In my opinion FX don't even need to look that realistic if they have a certain nice style and quality to them. That x100 Neofight just looks like bullshit. I don't care if they make neo's cloth look more realistic in the final version. What I have been expecting from thatight was something way more harsher, darker and sophisticated. I thought the Matrix was something better than it actually seems to be....

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Thing is

    by illegit

    I agree with the fact that the first matrix was (partially) so excellent because of the realistic looking effects. But whoever is complaining about the Neo vs. 100s of Agent Smiths and then saying they have no problem with the original.. what the fuck, the original bullet-time shots were done in the EXACT same way as these new ones, only difference is it's a bunch of Agent Smiths (most of whoms faces we can't see and who are actual, real stuntment, and Keanu is his actual real self). So if you're frontin on that shit, you should be on the original as well. As far as I'm concerned the only somewhat justifiable complaint is ones about the Agent smashin the car. I think that perhaps a blue-screen/wirework shot of that may have been better, but I (and by 'I', I mean 'we') don't know how viable that is on many different levels (technically, time-wise, monetarily). I really can't envision a bluescreened version of real wirework smashing that car, and what i do see is something that also looks somewhat fake. And like others are saying, I'm sure this shot will definitely be fixed up for final release. And some of you sound like you don't think there is any real action/wirework when just about everything we've seen is just that (fight with agents in ballroom, fight outside). Maybe tweeked with a little, but still essentially real shit. Except agent in the car scene... and backgrounds in the real world. Anyways, when it's all said and done these movies will kick more ass than all other movies in the history of the world COMBINED. Please believe it.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:23 p.m. CST

    uhhhh why

    by RabidPlatypus

    why are you analyzing the CG frame by frame? In the movie theater you're not gonna be able to stop the movie to check if its CGI or not. It looks fine if you don't fucking stop it and analyze it bit by bit.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 1:34 p.m. CST

    TRAILERS

    by G-BOY

    The Matrix trailer looks AWESOME & The Hulk looks like the biggest pile of monkey crap I've seeen since Battlefield Earth and Godzilla!!!! 'NUFF SAID!!!

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:16 p.m. CST

    fuck you all

    by MrPeanut

    If you can't enjoy any of these movies because of the 'fake' CGI scenes , then I also insist that you never again watch Star Wars, Or Raiders of the Lost ark, or the original matrix, or jurassic Park (the T-rex was perfect but the raptors looked FAKE)or Jason and the Agonauts or Lord of the rings or harry potter or Tim Burton's Batman or Spider-man or any movie ever made or every movie that will be made in the next fifty years that contains a special effects shot, because all these movies also contain or will contain blatantly FAKE special effects. And don't even try to tell me that blue screen and animatronics would be preferable. Go back and take a look at Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom to see how shitty the old tech looks in comparison. Animatronics work for stationary characters like jabba or the pre-AOTC yoda. Not for highly mobile characters, like people who jump on cars, for instance. There was absolutely nothing in the matrix trailer to justify this rabid fanboy outrage. This is as good as it gets, and if that's not good enough for some of you then either become an animator and do better yourself or stick to movies where special effects are minimal so you can never again be disappointed by an effect which ins't completely realistic and won't stand up to a thorough frame-by-frame analysis performed by you, the omniscient judge of all things cinema. Get over yourselves.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Why I don't have a problem with CGI Stuntmen

    by Nordling

    Because real stuntmen DIE. I'm sorry, the art of stunts should be cherished, and those guys in Hong Kong are mad geniuses. But frankly, I'm tired of reading about some guy who got killed because of something stupid the studio did to cut costs. If there was a way to keep this from happening I'd be all for it. Some of the things we see just aren't humanly possible without CGI. And I don't want my enjoyment of a film tainted by knowing some poor schmuck died on that movie. I love THE CROW and it's still hard to watch because of what happened. I'm all for CGI stunts. And yes, the trailer rocked my world. I was yelling and dancing when it was done. Beeeeeee-youtiful.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Dude . . . .

    by Toothy Ass

    When I first saw this trailer, it reminded me of those mid-90s video games where they bluescreened actors like Tia Carerra and put her in the video game enviornment. I think one of them was called Daedalus Encounter? I dunno . . . the fight scenes remind me of Tekken . . . htere's an open stage, a battle area, whatever. Anyways . . . blah blah blah looks like more of the same shit. Too bad the first Matrix has already played itself out, and this looks like grated cheese.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Freejack...

    by crimsonrage

    ...don't kid yourself. The original "Matrix" is full of scenes that are only there to "look cool". A perfect example is the lobby shootout (and uh...aren't Neo and Trinity murdering innocent people?) The Wachowskis are guilty of throwing shit in because it 'looks cool'. How does bullet time advance the story? Oh it shows us we're in a virtual world? Well no shit. I think we already gathered that the first time. Showing it every 5 minutes is overkill. Or look at the Wachowskis' use of slow motion. Unlike someone like Sam Peckinpah who uses quick bursts of slow motion to enhance the excitement of an action scene while simultaneously making a point about violence (I'll get into that later if you want) the Wachowskis give us overlong and overdone shots of slow motion that drag down the excitement and basically say "Look at me! I'm slow motion! Isn't this cool!" Face it, "The Matrix" never missed the opportunity to draw attention to the neat-o effects. There's nothing wrong with that, but the people responsible shouldn't be dissing those that do the same. "The Martix" films are just as soulless as the current crop of "Star Wars" films and John Gaeta is as annoying as people come. Just listen (if you can) to his commentary track. "Whoah!"

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Very cool.

    by Psyclops

    That got my hopes up. It may look a little CGI (the agent car hopping and the Neo Vs. Smith(s) battle) but I'm sure they still have some FX tweaking before the films are released. Still the best trailer of Superbowl Sunday.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 5:19 p.m. CST

    You can't impress me with action anymore- but you sure as hell c

    by Blue Devil

    I'm sorry, but the Hulk looked cheesy as hell and Reloaded reminded me more of Blade 2 than the "groundbreaking" stuff everyone's been hyping. You can spend all the money in the world on CGI and that's great, but don't expect us to care automatically because you've got a bunch of people jumping around. Been there, done that. I want a film with characters I can care about. If I see another clip of Laurence Fishburne acting all-knowing, I'm going to puke. Carrie Ann Moss' and Keanu Reeves lovestory looks like the suckiest since Ben Affleck and Kate Beckinsale in Pearl Harbor

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill script

    by KONG33

    http://www.baader-kirchofer.net/tar...lbillscript.htm

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 5:26 p.m. CST

    MATRIX looks unbelievable!

    by KONG33

    oh man! too sweet! oh my god, like anime come-to-life. I just wish there were more flying shots through the city and they didn't pass by it SO FAST!

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 5:48 p.m. CST

    OH YEAH!

    by TomVee

    "Please don't change talkback. We don't need converstations. Threading will only get T.Back into flame wars and arguing that it had years ago. It's nice to have a string of comments that actually STAY on topic." I couldn't agree more, as threaded postings make a website virtually unreadable. I don't care to see conversations going back and forth among a few jerkoff posters. This format is infinitely preferable.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 5:50 p.m. CST

    2003

    by raker

    is shaping up to be a fine year for movies. Can't wait until May

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Frenchies

    by TomVee

    "Thank god I'm not the only one realizingthe irony of a canadian singing "God Bless America." This is the same FRENCH Canadian (the French being the comedown of Canada, and I should know since my old man was from Quebec) who once performed a concert in French in front of a predominantly Englishspeaking audience. She ignored audience requests to sing in English. Get the French out of Canada and watch that country soar!!!

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 6:07 p.m. CST

    NUDITY

    by TomVee

    "Who wants to bet that within 10 years we'll have full-frontal nudity on the telly" The Howard Stern show, some of those E! Network WILD ONS and the infomercial for those college girl videos are all steps in the right direction. I would be willing to bet tits will no longer be obscured on late-night broadcasts within the nex 10 years. Full frontal, no.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 6:15 p.m. CST

    YEAH WELL I COULD DO BETTER CGI USING MY ANUS AND A BOAR-HAIR PA

    by needle sharer

    hey, yeah, the CGI of Smith's jump might look a bit fake simply because you have never seen someone leap from one car to another and COMPLETELY DEMOLISH the car he's just jumped on. fuck off. i think everything looked exceptional for a teaser - remember how Gollum looked like shit in the first TTT trailer? wouldn't you say what we saw in theaters was, you know, a whole lot fucking better? just because something looks a little off in the teaser doesn't mean the whole movie will look like it was sketched in MS Paint by a group of orangutans. effects aside, Reloaded should rock if only for the fact that Smith is back and completely on his own agenda now (note the lack of earpiece) and those other agents, Thompson and Johnson, are after Smith. what a nutty motherfucker.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 6:30 p.m. CST

    The Internet has given everybody a Voice. .

    by Sir Pops-O-Lot

    "A site populated by militant movie buffs. Sad, pathetic little bastards living in their parents basement, downloading scripts and what they think is inside information about movies and actors they claim to dispise, yet can't stop discussing." Sorry guys, it just came to Mind. . but I might add that I'm one too . .

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 6:53 p.m. CST

    If I hear the phrase "Too CGI" one more time, there will be fuck

    by Shabbadoo

    If you can't enjoy the movie because you spotted the computer-generated special effects, then just go away.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Um...

    by OntologicalShock

    I noticed something, if you have the time like the geek I am, compare the two trailers for Reloaded. Just go look at the first one and compare the two. First one looks damn good in terms of style don't it? In fact, the first one has barely any CG effects in it at all that are really core CG like the second trailer's 100+ Smith fight. Second trailer is equally good but for different reasons, mostly CG and action. Either way just from those two trailers you can tell you are getting a lot of different things for that 8 dollars you'll dish out anyway. Plus if you think the CG is bad and don't think they'll touch it up (because they will, especially after people noticing the Agent problems), the situation could be worse. They could have had no Matrix sequels at all then you would be bitching they won't make any. Or they could have lost Reeves or Fisbourne and replaced them with Tom Cruise and Ice Cube, then there would just be a f***ing riot here... Point is if you choose to trust anyone in film it would be the Wachowski's. Just look at the guys, and their scripts. They are hardcore geeks just like us, and if you were in the directors and writers chair (if you even have some of that competence to get that far) you would be on a action FX/CGI spree too. Just let it go, besides what does it matter if people like US have a problem with it? Not like Joel Silver, John Gaeta or the Wachowski's themselves will come on here and fight back. They got better things to do, like make money and have fun doing it.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 7:26 p.m. CST

    New Line is doing the Smurfs!!!!!

    by Terry_1978

    From Frodo to Hefty......it was only a matter of time. dark horizons has already confirmed it to a degree......who wants to be Gargamel?

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Anti-French

    by Iamnotcanadian

    i'm sorry if I'm off-topic but things like this TomVee said just piss me off. I am from the province of Quebec, Canada, a "frenchie" like TomVee said. First, french canadians build this fucking country. We were here first, until some red-dressed british soliders came and took the country. There's no problem with it, anyway the King of France was just a dumbass (he gave the Nouvelle-France (Canada) for some small African Country). TomVee's father, being from this Province, is probably a "Montrealer", a unilingual, racist english canadian who thinks French Canadians are rats or something like this. His grandfather probably still saw himself as a Britannic I bet. So I can understand TomVee that you're being racist, it's in your genes. But don't come here and insult French Canadians. Try to show that english canadians evolved since two centuries. Right know you don't.

  • Fuck these people. Its like people getting a blow job from a prostitute complaining that I'm wrong in fucking her. Fuck you liberals - let us drill in alaska or maybe you can start riding pack animals around town instead you fucks.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 8:59 p.m. CST

    I certainly hope the CGI in Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions doesn't

    by Red Raider

    ...cuz Mr. "Enter the Gaeta...Gaeta Time" John Gaeta has been bragging his scrawny little ass off about how groundbreaking the FX work he's doing for the sequels(isn't that the same shit he said about the original Matrix?!). He even found time to bash on the FX for the current Star Wars trilogy(I'd like John Gaeta to realize how far down the food chain he is from some truly brilliant artists in FX work, like Rob Coleman, Steve "Spaz" Williams, & John Knoll!). Then again, I hope Gaeta has pulled off the impossible and gives us something to force us to pick our jaws off the theater floor! The super bowl preview kicked ass. I think the Wachowski Bros. have another hit on their hands.... ____And for the record: If Matrix 2 has Carrie Ann-Moss in the buff I'm there! Hell, just to hear Agent Smith belt out once again: "MISTER ANDERSON...", fuck yeah I'm there. ......there is no spoon.....

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Stills?

    by Chow Yun-Phat

    Stills? STILLS? You fucks are breaking movies down into stills now to prove your bullshit, unimportant racts? Let me get this straight, asshole. You were cool with the trailer until you slowed it down into slow motion frame by frame and then broke it down even further into stills? Looks really fake in stills, huh? I'll let you in on a little secret, ass grape - IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE! A MOVIE! NOT A SLIDE SHOW! A MUTHA FUCKIN' MOVIE!You have no control of the remote in the theater. You can slow it down to frame by frame, you can't rewind, you shouldn't even want to. Do you over complaining assholes even enjoy films at all? Do you not understand that if you see a genre pic, you have to forget and reality? Sure, I agree, there are effects so bad that you can get taken out of a movie, but as it was pointed out with the parasailing scene in James Bond, it's usually intertwined with a really bad idea for an scene. That was just too silly and over the top to go along with. Same with the crap in Charlie's Angels 2. I didn't see anything in the Matrix spot that took me out. Didn't even notice the fake look of the Smith car smashing until you dicks started crying about it.If you bastards want to break stuff down into stills just so you can find the flaws, you're not even trying to enjoy films anymore. Just fucking ease back some. Watch an original, unenhanced version of Star Wars with it's Battlestar Galactica models and rubber masks as special effects or a Ray Harryhausen movie you saw when you were a kid and remember why you like these types of films and how special effects will possibly never be perfect and at least not for a decade or two. Also, fuck off to all the idiots crying for threads. Talkback is good as is. Finally, QUIT asking for a Preacher movie. It can NOT be done. It WOULD suck big greasy whale cock. If you think a decent, not to mention great, Preacher film could be made, you need to go back and reread the books. Pick any Preacher trade paperback, go through it and you may find 5-10 pages out of the 200 or so that could be filmed without serious content change to appease the studios and the MPAA. Any attempt to make a Preacher film would be a sorry, PC, please don't picket our studio and/or theater bastardization, so why bother? Face facts, the comic books are all you get and let it go. I for one am happy. Thank God that there's too much potential controversy from religious groups for this film to ever get made and fucked up. Try supporting a 100 Bullets HBO Series instead. There's word this could happen and this could be done right in this format.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Trailer RULES !!!!!!! Stop hating on it losers.

    by Darth Siskel III

    For every retard in talkback that is bitching that this commercial was bad, there are 20 million people that are salivating over it. Matrix is going to smurf your asses.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Bunch of Bullshit, crap boring thing, matrix is karate kid with

    by Willian_Munny

    All this noise 'cause of a guy who learns to fight in slow motion, Why don't you go review any Clint Eastwood classic movie, you can't really go wrong with Clint, he just shots everybody, not this bullshit of slow flying karate, with trip by telephones, Jesus, the guy flies, make weird thing with spoons by using his imagination, and saves the world from the else who is actually the real world ( or something like this, who the hell understood that plot anyway?)and he just can't runawy from places without telephones?!?! And, Keano Reeves? please, is that supost to be a "hero" or a badass something? well he is where he should be, all those "Don't think you are - know you are." bl

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Thanks Will Munny!

    by Chow Yun-Phat

    Thanks for being the dick who admits that he supports and has helped fund the cheesy, overused, faux bad ass one liner over actual bad ass or any other sort of dialogue school of thought. Thanks to you and Michael Bays like you, we know have a whole industry that supports T-Shirts and tag lines over decent scripts. I admit, Clint in some parts of his career is cool as an eskimo's ass, but fuck him anyway. Clint begat Burt Reynolds begat Sylvester Stallone begat Ah-nald begat Freddie Kruger begat Jean Claude and fat boy Segal begat Ice Cube and DMX and Freddie Prinze JR and Ashton Kutcher and The end of the fucking world. That bullshit isn't bad ass. It kitzsh. It's horseshit. It's a fucking crutch. Let me rattle off some pseudo joke before I shoot you is what has turned action, horror and sci-fi pics into jokes. Tell me, oh sucker of Clint's dong, what makes "Do you feel lucky punk" better than "Yippie Ki Yay, Muther Fucker." The fact that dicks like you consider Clint a god and Bruce a tool? Bullshit. What about Burt, Sly and Ah-nald? want to say they aren't nearly his equal, especially in one liners? Shit, throw in Deliverance and the Longest Yard and Burt is almost equal to Clint. Smokey and the Bandit is the Same As Any Which Way But Loose. Why don't you mention the Any Way Which Way You Monkey movies? They aren't spaghetti westens, but they're as good as Dirty Harry bullshit. You fucks get your boners up over one particular boob and you try to elevate them over the rest of the B Movie squad. Unforgiven doth not a career make. Lob all the shit you want, but at the end of the day, honestly elevate Clint the actor over Bruce Campbell the actor. You can barely, BARELY do it. Clint is Bruce Campbell making that ONE film that made people take him seriously. Sad part is, he wanted to be taken seriously at Bronco Billy.

  • Jan. 27, 2003, 11:42 p.m. CST

    in case it wasn't clear

    by Chow Yun-Phat

    FUCK TALKBACK THREADS! FUCK CRYING ABOUT CGI! FUCK MISPLACED RACISM AS ACCUSED BY WHITE BOYS WITH GUILTY CONSCIENCES. FUCK CLINT EASTWOOD. FUCK THE TWO POSTERS I ALREADY BALSTED, YET ALREADY FORGOT THEIR NAMES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MATTER A FART IN A DIARRHEA STORM. and...once again...just so you know where i'm coming from...FUCK YOU IN YOUR ANALLY RAPED POOP SHOOT IF YOU SUPPORT THREAD FORUMS!! LEAVE TALKBACK AS IT IS! IF THIS FORMAT IS TOO FUCKING DIFFICULT FOR YOU, GO BACK TO TRYING TO BLOW YOURSELF LIKE BENJI!

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Fundamental Concern With Matrix Sequels

    by MrStinger

    My main concern with the Matrix sequels is that they seem to be taking the same form as the "Back To The Future" trilogy--not just in their release schedule (two sequels six months apart) or that the latter two installments were filmed simultaneously--but that the first chapter was conceived as a stand-alone movie, and the sequels developed after the first film's success. Now, I love the Back To The Future films, but the major plot element of Marty McFly's being unable to walk away from a fight if someone called him "chicken," so crucial to the latter two movies, was not established in the first film as it obviously would have been had the films been conceived as a trilogy. I can only hope the new Matrix films will be as enjoyable as the Future films were for me, and that the "where the hell did that come from" element will be minimal.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Enough Already

    by 1000_Yard_Stare

    Ah, what a difference four years can make. back in 99, the word around the TalkBacks was "The Matrix kicked TPM'S ASS! Lucas is finished!" Now the fanboys have a new toy to play with in the form of Peter Jakson's LOTR trilogy, and suddenly the work of the Wachowskis is no longer good enough. Has movie fandom really become this reactionary and predictable? Personally I am looking more forward to the Animatrix shorts than anything Peter Jackson and company have to offer at this point, and I'll probably see both Matrix sequels twice as many times as ROTK. And no, I won't be going to see them because Lucas "raped my childhood" or because Peter Jackson didn't do a chapter-and-verse adaption of Tolkien's books. I'll be going to see them because I enjoyed the original, not to show support for one franchise over the other. It's that simple. How many of you talkbackers can say that? Enough with this dueling franchises/FX houses bullshit! Some of you guys sound like your being paid by the marketing departments of the studios that release these films. And as far the CGI debate, either you like what you saw in the trailer or you don't. None of us are computer programmers or FX experts. We are Movie fans with an ordinary layman's opinion. That's all! I'm a fan of cinema not because I regard film as the end-all-be-all of artistic expression (which I do), but because it's fun! You guys are sucking all the fun out of this for me and for yourselves. I used to think that fansites such as AICN and the like were the best thing to happen to fandom in recent years. It gave us a way to communicate with each other and indulge in what we love. but having seen these talkbacks devolve into bullshit arguments, I'm not so sure.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 12:36 a.m. CST

    I like how fanboys try to find plot holes in SW where they don't

    by Sea Bass

    Your mind cannot make you bleed just because you think you were shot. And even with that twisted logic, your mind can't kill you if it doesn't know you're shot. The basic premises in The Matrix make absolutly no sense. It's not only a plagerized story, it's a plagerized story that is devoid of any kind of coherance. It just doesn't make sense. It's just a lot of slow motion shootings by guys and girls in dark sunglasses. And you children try to rip on SW. Sigh.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 12:45 a.m. CST

    by needle sharer

    "Enough with this dueling franchises/FX houses bullshit" i agree totally, even though you - GASP - don't seem to share my amorous emotions for my precious LOTR trilogy. sniff. where's my hanky?! seriously though: fanboy wars are retarded. some people like LOTR and hate SW. some people like SW and hate LOTR. some people like the matrix and hate SW. some people like it in the ass and some like it in the mouth. two thousand whiny posts are not going to change anyone's opinion on this. that's not to discourage discussion completely, or to hyperbolize to the point of "everyone has an opinion so just shut your trap" - because intelligent, or at the very least civil discussion of these beloved films can be a beautiful thing. back-and-forth fanboy sniveling can not.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Animatrix...

    by FEENXFIRE

    www.whatisthematrix.com New Animatrix stuff; the first 9 minute installment comes our way Feb. 4. From the looks of it, the Animatrix combines the best of Japanese art direction with a desperately spendthrift WB pocketbook. Go WB!

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Are you movie geeks really that stupid?

    by tonygowell

    All of you that scoff at the Matrix for 'bad' CGI in the previews are FUCKING MORONS!! Why? Do questions like: Uncompleted scenes released for obligatory contract/TV ads, not mean a thing? Oh yes, it dawns on you now that Cyclops didn't cause the entire screen to glow red like he was in a fucking darkroom developing film when he uses his visor as indicated in the first X-Men trailer. IDIOTS!!

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Reflections on Trailer

    by neo1980

    The trailers are awesome and i still think Silver was right that he will raise the bar of what he will do in the matter of how the stunts are carried out and what sort of stunts are going to take place, he never said anything about CGI, CGI will depend on the computer graphic designers who will put up finishing touches to the movie, so stop bashing the directors and producers as they are still tweaking the graphics (Proof: Notice that in Matrix teaser in car explosion on the freeway bridge, the car explosion is shown, in this new trailer, the explosion is shown with ripple effects)

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST

    100 BULLETS

    by DannyOcean01

    Never read the comics, but love the concepts behind them. Let's make it happen- tv series or film either would be great.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 4:05 a.m. CST

    CGI not to whine about

    by nitpikky

    Everyone's whining about the agent car crush thing, but no one's really pointing out that there's some really seamless, sweet photo-real and immersive CG already in that preview. Case in point: Trinity's bike-riding avoidance shot where she narrowly avoids two cars, one right, then one left. Both CG. Both very well done, unless you frame by frame it.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Smith ain't CGI ...

    by Hypnos

    his 100 clones are computer interpolations based on actual footage. It's actually an extension of the bullet-time technology. CGI (like the Rock from Mummy 2) is done with polygons and textures which are then rendered and animated to simulate a real object. With the interpolation process, there is no animation or rendering involved; it's simply a method that allows an object to be composited into a frame with the camera at an arbitrary position. Hugo Weaving (at least as I understand it) actually acted out the motions for all 100 of those clones. That's why it looks so real. John Gaeta is a master spin artist. He'd have the world believe that he's outdoing ILM when in reality he's not even doing real CGI. He uses cool sounding terms like "bullet-time" and "virtual cinematography" to describe interpolation techniques that have existed for years, but just have not been become popular or useful until now. Even things like the fire in the lobby from the first Matrix is done by compositing actual footage of fire into the frames. The few times his team actually does CGI rendering (squiddies, etc.), it looks mediocre and fake. By the way, the agent jumping from car to car isn't CGI, he's interpolated as well. The problem is that they also animated some of his movements and then they did a poor job of compositing him into the scene. If you freeze the video, you'll see that he doesn't really fit into the frame. Since he was shot with a different camera from the one used in the actual movie, at a different distance and in front of a blue screen, his clothing and his face are far clearer and shaded differently than anything else at his depth in the frame -- they look as if someone filmed him and then pasted him in on top of the frame (which is what they did).

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Frame by Frame? Come on!

    by jayn8tive

    What the f*ck is up with you people frame by frame nitpicking the trailers? Just watch it a its normal speed and sit back and enjoy the promo. You don't sit in the cinema asking the projectionist to slow the film down, do you? I'm sure you could find fault in hundreds of films if you slowed down special effects composits and CGI, but that is not how they are intended to be seen!

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 5:12 a.m. CST

    There IS a way to make threaded discussions work...

    by Robert Blake

    ...and it is NESTED THREADING! That means, messages are divided in topic threads, but ALL messages are displayed. You can check how well it works at (www.slashdot.org)

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 5:17 a.m. CST

    How fucking cool was that!! Not 1 but 2 more matrix filums!!

    by TheGinger Twit

    Whoo-hoo!

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Re: CosbySweater, Matrix videogame

    by Robert Blake

    It is said that Gathering of Developers WAS making a 'Matrix' game, but Warner gave up. So, G.O.D used the code that they have to make another game - 'Max Payne'. ///// By the way, this is nothing new: Sunsoft's 'Journey to Silius' for the NES was supposed to be a 'Terminator' game!

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 6:56 a.m. CST

    doesn't technology rock....?!!!

    by Red Raider

    ...when common fanboys can download a movie trailer or film, break it down frame by frame in his/her computer, enhance each frame, then psycho-analyze the living shit out of it. I love it!

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Dodgy cgi and stuff.

    by Dodgy

    Okey dokey, let me first say I'm not against cgi. Hell, I'm an animator, so the more cgi the more work there is for me. But I am against it where it proves worse than the effects it's replacing. When I first watched the matrix, I thought 'Yeah now that's how superheroes should be done' and I thought Spidey would be great. Then I saw what they did, and it just looked sooo bad in places I wondered why they did it like that. Other shots in spidey did it so well that I have no problem with them. When you had a film like the matrix, they did everything with the real guys and it looked so good, I thought they would just continue in the same vein. The problem is when they switched in the cg stuntmen, you could immediately tell, it just looked so much worse. And you didn't need to slow it down or take still frames, it was that obvious. If it had been done well, we wouldn't be complaining about it because WE WOULDN'T HAVE NOTICED. As I said before, the test spidey shot looked really good, I wouldn't have had a problem if the rest of the film was like that, but it wasn't. Stunts similar to a lot of the spidey ones could have been done with real stuntmen (in fact doesn't the commentary say some of it WAS done with real stuntmen? I haven't listened to it all so I'm not sure, it would explain why some shots looked so much more weightier), as with the car jumping scene in the matrix, and they would have looked better, because they did similar stunts in the first matrix movie and it looked sooooo good. Okay, looking back at older films, some of the effects do look terrible, but others do stand up amazingly well nowadays. Some are even better than some of the same type of effects done now. I'm arguing the point that if an effect works, why do it another way unless it looks better! Before I saw the trailer I was 'Oh yes, this is going to be fantastic' but now I'm just 'Oh bum'. I'm disappointed because they got it so right in the first film, but they've followed the herd and got it wrong now. Okay, imperfect effects can be forgiven, (the matrix had it's fair share of slightly off effects), if they look better than what came before. Gollum didn't look completely real in some shots, but he was good enough that it didn't matter, and the acting was really good and it made you care for the character (this is where writers say it was the writing, and who am I to disagree :)). The chickens in Chicken Run didn't look like real chickens (guess it was some new GM chicken :) but they acted well enough that you didn't care. As someone else said, they set the bar so high in the Matrix, we want to be blown away again, and I wouldn't have cared if they'd just done it to the same standard as before, just differently. But a lowering of standards? DOH! I'll go and see it, and hope they'll improve some of the shots, (they did change some of the shots in Spidey from trailer to film), not least because they made the first film so good, and hopefully the story will be interesting too. Part of the reason stunts are so cool is because it's so impressive to see someone do something seemingly hard. When you can do it without any apparent risk (which is what happens when you can tell it's just a cg stuntman), it becomes less interesting. Also, when they use real people you get more of a performance out of them as well, so even though you know they're as safe as the stuntmen can make them, there's still something human there. Cg stuntmen, while they're getting there, are still showing their roots :) Anyway, that's enough ranting, I'll still be queued up to see it, and Hulk (MMMMMM Jennifer Connelly!) and all the other funky movies :)

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Agree Chow Yun-Phat

    by Willian_Munny

    You right, Bruce and Reynolds are great either, but I centered in one exemple only ( the principal one, and Clint IS this one ), but you did the same in your post, since you forgot the their Father, Charles Bronson. He just shot everybody he could without even taking his hands out of his pockts.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 10:51 a.m. CST

    More experts...

    by FreeJack

    Okay, first of all, every person here who's claiming they know how Gaeta's virtual cinematography work have been totally wrong with their descriptions. Everybody's an expert. Second, regarding the Matrix videogame, the Wachowskis originally approached Konami's Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear Solid) but he was too busy to tackle it. So the contract went to Shiny, who have been working on it ever since. Max Payne is a TOTALLY unrelated project which was conceived and developed entirely by a Finnish developer called Remedy. They were inspired by the original Matrix movie and did a demo in 3DMark 2001 that did a pseudo re-creation of the lobby scene using the MaxFX engine, which they used in Max Payne. But Max Payne was never a Matrix game. It was shown at three straight E3 conferences as Max Payne prior to release. Never ceases to amaze me how many know-it-alls there are in these talkbacks who actually don't have any idea what they're talking about but think if they write it authoritatively enough, it'll SEEM like they do. This "CG or not CG" crap is case in point.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 12:07 p.m. CST

    HEY! Iamnotcanadian! YOU IDIOT

    by LordZanthos

    The French were not "here" first! Dumbf**k. The Native Americans were here first, and the first european "discoverers" of America were Vikings. Learn more history before you go spouting off at the mouth. "Gain more bearing. See me when you're worthy."

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 1:30 p.m. CST

    One thing's for sure, The Matrix sequels still have BY FAR the b

    by empyreal0

    Holy SHIT!!! The Wachowskis really have figured out how to bring anime style and sensibilities to live-action. I don't care if the plots DO suck (and I have a bit more faith in the wachowskis than Lucas, so I'm betting they won't) - this is the best fucking imagery I've seen since, well... Gollum and Helm's Deep I guess. But holy fucking shit. CG artist's wet dream hit theatres everywhere in May. I'll be there.

  • Jan. 28, 2003, 6:48 p.m. CST

    So called 'Virtual Cinematography'

    by FaZe

    Has anyone else noticed that this so called 'Virtual Cinematography' that the matrix effects gurus claim to have invented, sounds an AWFUL lot like a process called 'Photogrammetry' that David Fincher has used to great effect in Fight Club and Panic Room. The only difference that I can see, is that its done on actors instead of sets and objects. Hell, even I've played around with photogrammetry with demo programs and such. They create 3d models from photos. Its nothing new at all. Anyone who's watched the fight club features disc will have heard them talk about this. However just so you know, I do love what they have done with it, the pole fighting scene i have to watch 5 times a day at the moment ;) Cant wait for this great use of old technology hehe.

  • Jan. 29, 2003, 12:32 a.m. CST

    guys, your missing the point

    by Chuck Norris

    the whole point of the matrix seems to me not to be about CGI at all, but more about the special effects in general. I mean do you idiots remember that scene from LOTR-FOTR (2001) with that weird lighting? that is the cool shit I'm talking about. plus, XMEN (2000) totally rocked the shit out of SPDRMN (2001), and I pretty much believe it's cause of the special effects. maybe if they had used stop-motion animation to show spidey in flight I would have believed it more, but nope, they used CGI like some kind of australian hippy bitch. am I wrong? and for fucks sake, if I hear one more assfuck talk about how jar jar was better than gollum, I will shove their optical mouse up their optical asshole. chuck norris has spoken

  • Jan. 29, 2003, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Chuck your ass talk travels far and wide, like your actual ass.

    by Kip Winger

    you foolish mortal. CGI makes the movie, that is why if Lucas were smart, he would CGI teh entire cast of STAR WARS EPISODE III, except for NATALIE PORTMAN, for no mere computer file could hold her true beauty, not even a compressed one. no hard drive is big enough to encompass her glorious lips, her stunning eyes, her incredible physique, but i digress, LOTR:FOTR? what scene do you refer to in which "LIGHTING" is used? i saw a lot of that movie, from under my DARTH VADER mask, (trying to show those LOTR freaks who was in charge!) and i noticed, ALL the scenes used lighting, dork face. how else would the film be properly used with out light to burn an image onto it? lets not get started on this math stuff, you are a jerk, and get used to it, as i stand above your grave showering it with wookie piss. LOVE KIP.

  • Jan. 29, 2003, 12:47 a.m. CST

    kip, my old nemesis, we meet again, only this time I am the lear

    by Chuck Norris

    I dont know about you, kip, but my IDE MAXTOR 200 GB HD could easily hold natalie portman's identity. its not even a big deal, I guess you are too busy sucking your daddy's teet to realize that though. And I saw someone like you at the LOTR screening I went to, he was dressed up like a jawa to piss of the LOTR fans, and you know what I did? I waited until the scene where Gimli is gangraped by orcs (I think this was cut from the final version) and then I snuck up behind the jawa and peed all over his mangy brown cloak. god that was fun, all the LOTR fans were cheering me on and they didnt even know I was really chuck norris in a Legolas Greenleaf disguise. and dont get me started on gandalf - he practically ruined that entire movie for me. he is like a thin santa clause who doesn't give presents, only boring speeches about how old he is. god I wanted to pee on that old bitch.

  • Jan. 29, 2003, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Chuck, you ignorant slut.

    by Kip Winger

    first things first. your "hard drive"? sounds like you are dreaming, you are probably on an APPLE II. (which was far inferior to APLLE I... dont get me started) any one who is anyone, knows that if your were a true LOTR fan, Legolas lost his urinating abilities in a ferocious orc battle (LOTR:FOTR pg 472 par 3 line 4) so, the theatre was actually heckling YOU, BECAUSE OF YOUR STUPID AND INCONSITENT ACT OF URINARY EXPULSION!!! LOL LOL LOL. and you were to busy trying to find your tiny elf penis to hear their popcorn hit the floor as they laughed at you, and even true LOTR fans stopped jerking off in the back long enough to laugh at you, but only in time to climax as FRODO, PROFESSIONAL BAD ASS, threw that RING on one more time and TURNED INVISIBLE. and you would have WISHED you had a MAGIC ring foged by the elves. ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL, AND IN THE DARKNESS LAUGH AT LEGOLAS" TINY GENETALIA!!! ROTFL!!! KIP.

  • Jan. 29, 2003, 2:26 a.m. CST

    guess what! the FIRST Matrix had totally shit looking CGI also!

    by NakedMonk26

    Before I get started, I'm not here to defend the quality of any of these films. I thought the first Matrix was OK, and the next two are kinda unnecesary, but I'm curious to how they're going to continue the plot, if Neo IS the one and that's all there is to it. The "cheese" FX in the trailers.....I simply have this to say: DID YOU EVER WATCH THE MATRIX?! THAT HAD SOME FUCKING TERRIBLE EFFECTS SHOTS!!! AND SOME "REALLY OBVIOUS" SHOTS TOO! BIG FUCKING WHOOP! WE ALL LOVE THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS MOVIES HERE, RIGHT?! YODA IS SOOOOOOOOO OBVIOUSLY A PUPPET, AND THE DEATH STAR SURFACE IS OBVIOUSLY ON A 2x4!! But we love THOSE movies anyway, right? Effects will never be perfect, and honestly, I think some people take a wrong view of the effects:just because it is OBVIOUSLY an effects shot (ie, otherwise impossible, like the Reactor Rooms in Episode 1) doesn't mean it looks BAD. Yes, obviously effects. So? My two cents on T3....really, the entire series so far has been kinda lame. Especially T2, one of the WORST movies ever. A sequel should be designated for the Machine Wars....change the series up and bring new life to it. Alright, flamers, you can rip me to shreds now. And by "flamers", I mean both fags and posting flamers, because you're one and the same. Harry-fix your site, you went from originator and king to fucking pawn with nothing newsworthy on the site. -Kevin

  • Jan. 29, 2003, 7:23 a.m. CST

    look! hilarious!

    by NakedMonk26

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-01-27&res=l Wow. You know this site is a JOKE when stuff like this comes up.

  • Feb. 21, 2003, 1:31 a.m. CST

    That was good CGI? ::laughs::

    by GnomonHopefull

    Ok people looky here. Good cgi isn;t cool robots camera moves so on and so on, you know good cgi when it blends in to the surroundings so well you keep wondering how the hell the got it to look so real, what I saw in the Matrix trailer was very bitchin and impressive but not the best, you wanna see the best go watch TWO TOWERS. NOW THATS CGI!!!