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STAR WARS: EPISODE III -- Yeah - a few spoilers here - so purists - go away!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey folks, Harry here... Well as things begin to move forward on Episode 3 there's some interestingly fun developments popping up. First, over at TheForce.Net's Episode 3 page they have James Earl Jones confirming the April 1978 origin of Darth Vader rumor that came out of FUTURE MAGAZINE... do you think that FUTURE MAGAZINE knew they had a story 25 years ahead of its time? I don't think so either. For you STAR WARS fans like me, that were actually alive and remember reading that article... well you know how the news of it becoming a reality somehow makes ya feel like... FINALLY, HERE IT COMES! I know that's the way I feel right now, great feeling. Head over to that link above to get the nitty gritties and hear James tell it himself on an awesome WAV file!
However... That's not the only news for ya today... Nope, Today I got the one paragraph film breakdown for Episode 3 - that George and the Skywalker troopers are using in getting crewed up in Sydney...
First the start date is late-June of this year and of course will be being shot digitally again.
The synopsis tells us that the film begins a few years after the end of ATTACK OF THE CLONES and is near the conclusion of the "Clone Wars" themselves. Hayden and Natalie are still hitched and Ewan is still at work trying to get to the bottom of who ordered the clones made and if there is a connection to the mysterious Sith. Apparently, Count Dooku (YEAH! SARUMAN IS BACK) is still fucking the galaxy up hardcore by waging his war all over the Republic, thus scaring and terrorizing the galaxy. This war between the Confederacy of Independent Systems and the Republic has left a wave of destruction that is literally ripping the galaxy asunder leaving destroyed and devastated planets and lives in its wake.
Palpatine, in order to restore order where there is only chaos, creates a New Order called the Galactic Empire in the aftermath of all this destruction, to heal what has been broken. While that little development happens, Padme squeezes out twins called, shockingly enough, Luke and Leia. However, the infants are separated to be brought up unaware of each other's existence. (YEAH I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHY TOO!) It seems that Anakin is continuing his descent into darkness by joining Palpatine's side through all of this, where Palpatine can further seduce and bring him to the dark side. (Does Anakin become Palpatine's Jedi Bodyguard?) Ol Kenobi, of course tries to turn Anakin back onto the path of the good guys. The Jedi Order gets destroyed leaving only OB1 and Yoda - and from the look of this thing, the last sentence is: "... a new reign of terror is ushered in with the Empire's rule and Palpatine's move to declare himself the Emperor."
Well, HOT DAMN! That sounds like a movie. Folks in Sydney... Keep your eyes and ears open. Whisper and share what you hear. We need you guys and gals to be tricksy we do, we want to know how things are going. God I want this film to rule all.
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Maybe Grando will get iced by Greedo. Han vows to Lando to avenge his father's death. Thus completely the circle!!! Oh my God I just jizzed on my Darth Maul costume.
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A break-dancing Christopher Lee?
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hella sweet, unlike most fanboys i look at movies for fun and excitement not as a fugging football game "lotr vs star wars vs my penis vs ghandi".. all quit your bitching cuz u know bout the volcano fight and cant wait to see it either..snootch..
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This is the one Harry meant to put up (right?):
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Um... weren't the Clone Wars kinda the entire point of the prequels? What we were promised, and what we've all been waiting to finally see? Damn, Lucas sucks. (Sorry, someone had to say it.)
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Does C3PO fly in this one? Does it bother anyone else that the Jedi are a bunch of bungling buffoons who's continued misjudgement has been cavalierly expained away by the fact that they can no longer feel the force, but refuse to tell anyone? Who put these guys in charge? When is Lucas just going to throw up his hands and say "Look people, I made three fucking movies, then I was offered the GDP of a small country to make the prequels - I just gotta get from A to B, here - accept it and move on. Now kids, have you tried the Sithwich?"
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5 minutes of Vader at the end, a continuation of AOTC's politics, slightly more advanced 'character' moments... no new news....
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...give us a cameo by the Han Solo character and/or the Chewbacca character. Trying to be cute, or "make everything fit." I hate when they do stuff like that. What was really cool about Han and Chewbacca in "A New Hope" was that here were these rogue smugglers who had nothing to do with the Empire or the rebellion except when it came to transporting forbidden materials, or people who didn't want to be found. And then they get hired by this old guy spouting hocus-pocus to transport him, a loudmouthed kid, and a couple of annoying droids to a planet, and the next thing they know they find themselves in the middle of some serious shit!! THAT'S the way I want to remember Han and Chewie as being introduced to the Star Wars universe, not some silly sissy-like cameo in Episode III that you KNOW someone at Lucasfilm is saying "But wouldn't it be cool?" about.
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You know, continuity-wise. >cough< But if they're going to introduce an adolescent Chewbacca we better damn well meet his disco-holo-porn-lovin' pappy, Itchy. I'm just saying. To quote that spunky barkeep Bea Arthur, "Is that a tear, my friend?"
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Right? sk
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PHANTOM was a major disappointment... CLONES was significantly better, but still fell far short of greatness... so now is the time to prove your naysayers wrong. Show us that you have it in you to film a script strong in story and character -- a script that has the same mythological resonance that moved a generation 25 years ago. Don't be enslaved to cutting edge technology that has not liberated you, but confined you as a filmmaker to a Vader-like existence -- "more machine than man." Take time with your actors so they can realize fully developed characters, rather than being pawns in a digital landscape. I realize you defend the wooden aspects of your films as being akin to the old movie serials -- but their producers did the best they could with limited means. You have incredible resources at your disposal. Aspire to something greater -- especially for this crowning chapter. THE MATRIX and LORD OF THE RINGS has stolen STAR WARS' thunder -- but they are far from flawless. Take back your thunder, George. Fill us with awe, again.
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I doubt George has it in him, but wouldn't it be cool to have a last minute twist in the film that would turn everything on it's ear somehow? We all know the broad strokes of the story, and I doubt lucas will stray from them, or try to pull a last second surprise out of his hat that will make the first series seem different somehow knowing, you know? Like to find out Anakin killed Padme for cheating on him with Obiwan, and the twins are actually and that's why the twins were sperated.
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I doubt George has it in him, but wouldn't it be cool to have a last minute twist in the film that would turn everything on it's ear somehow? We all know the broad strokes of the story, and I doubt lucas will stray from them, or try to pull a last second surprise out of his hat that will make the first series seem different somehow knowing, you know? Like to find out Anakin killed Padme for cheating on him with Obiwan, and the twins are actually Kenobi's, but no one really knew that, so that's why the twins were sperated.
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God how I would lvoe for this movie to be great. But - I dunno. I've watched Lucas suck the life out of 2 movies now, and out of several quality actors, and I'm just not sure. We'll see.
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Jan 24, 2003 3:38:46 PM CST
"Don't be enslaved to cutting edge technology that has not liber
by tv casualty
Well fucking said, Odysseus.
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I have long ago (in a galaxy far, far away..) given up on the idea that George Lucas actually gives a crap rather or not we are happy with what he's doing. He's just doing whatever the hell he wants to, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he in fact despises the Star Wars geeks. (much like Tolkien despised his cult following - not to make a Star Wars / LOTR comparison. Damn. I hate it when I do that) So, I've learned to accept what they have become, and after that enjoyment came easier. I can't WAIT for Episode III, and I'm starting to think it could be one of the best Star Wars movies ever. But, I am also a bit disappointed to hear that the Clone Wars will be over when this movie starts. Ever since we were little, haven't we dreamed of what the Clone Wars must have been like? That's kind of a jip, George. But alas - I find my own lack of faith disturbing.
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Jan 24, 2003 3:40:15 PM CST
At StarWars.com, there is a POLL on how Anakin should wear his h
by darthpsychotic
http://www.starwars.com/community/poll/
I know some of you trollys are gonna see the the comedy option "mohawk" and vote for that after saying to yourself "What the fuck?" Mark Hamill has said in interviews how he wanted to look for Return of the Jedi. Mr. Hamill stated something along lines of him wanting to have a mohawk, scarred face, and wearing a eyepatch. I think Lucas chose wisely against the Luke Skyywalker (ha 2 y's) pirate look.
You, know some of you might say that TTT was better than AOTC because of the look and the director but it's my theory that TTT is more popular than AOTC because of the hairstyles. Oh yes my friends, with TTT we see Legolas, Aragorn, Eomer, et al, all looking like sexah grunge dudes from Seattle and shit. in AOTC, we see Obiwan with a Jedi Mullet and Anakin MOTHERFUCKING FUTURE DARTH VADER Skyywalker (heh 2 y's) with a boyband-style haircut and a fucking 1980's style rat-tail. The look of the Anakin Skyywalker character was redeemed with him wiedling a two lightsabers and being outfighted with a mechno-hand towards the end. Perhaps, I am rambling on too much about the AOTC hairstyles, but if Lucas could make Anakin appear to be more like Legolas (sans elvish ears of course) not only would you bring the Starwars and LOTR communities together, box office record would be shattered. -
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/events/state/documents/02666920.asp
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Screw the lava fight! Screw Darth Vader! I'm paying my money to see GRANDO!! Who's with me!!?? (sound of crickets chirping)....hmmmm OK forget it.
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Aside from a few choice names, we've known this plot outline since we first saw JEDI?! It doesn't reveal anything we didn't already know. We know the CLONE WARS would have SOMETHING to do with the rise of the Empire, that Luke & Leia would be separated at birth, that Anakin would fall tp the dark side, that Obi-Wan would try to sway him back to the light, and that aside from Kenobi & Yoda, all Jedi would be slain. The only thing that this outline here adds is Dooku & Kenobi's continued seach for the mastermind behind the Clone Army. Other than that, this is NOT news! Also, I heard the James Earl Jones story TWO days ago! You guys used to be the FIRST ones to get the BIG news, now you're lagging! C'mon, I know you can do better than this! I think you're all just getting tired of this shit, and should bring in some fresh blood. Not me, I've got my own site to worry about (FOREVER HORROR - www.michalak.org/fh - SHAMELESS PLUG). Anyway, PLEASE, try harder, or at least, think before you post your news, or, at least, how you state it. You act as though you've been handed a script treatment that's explained away all things important in the film when this synopsis hasn't provided you with any new knowledge. I lose faith, but I still have hope. Garth & Dark Horizons is MY home for movie news. -NJM
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Aside from a few choice names, we've known this plot outline since we first saw JEDI?! It doesn't reveal anything we didn't already know. We know the CLONE WARS would have SOMETHING to do with the rise of the Empire, that Luke & Leia would be separated at birth, that Anakin would fall tp the dark side, that Obi-Wan would try to sway him back to the light, and that aside from Kenobi & Yoda, all Jedi would be slain. The only thing that this outline here adds is Dooku & Kenobi's continued seach for the mastermind behind the Clone Army. Other than that, this is NOT news! Also, I heard the James Earl Jones story TWO days ago! You guys used to be the FIRST ones to get the BIG news, now you're lagging! C'mon, I know you can do better than this! I think you're all just getting tired of this shit, and should bring in some fresh blood. Not me, I've got my own site to worry about (FOREVER HORROR - www.michalak.org/fh - SHAMELESS PLUG). Anyway, PLEASE, try harder, or at least, think before you post your news, or, at least, how you state it. You act as though you've been handed a script treatment that's explained away all things important in the film when this synopsis hasn't provided you with any new knowledge. I lose faith, but I still have hope. Garth & Dark Horizons is MY home for movie news. -NJM
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Anakin has been promoted by Palpatine to command a unit of clones as part of his new Galactic Empire,Anakin followed with his unit of clones are on a planet with volcanos and lava,a planet Tyrannus has been secretly running the last remanants of his Sepratists movement on,Anakin seeks out Tyrannus,destroys him using the dark side as his ally,twisted and feeling powerful from his new found darkside powers,he is followed by Obi-Wan the two get into a serious argument leading blame and a battle,eruptions and earthquakes are occuring all over the planet Anakin gets the upper hand in battle but just as he is about to kill Obi-Wan he is hit on the head with a large rock force thrown by Obi-Wan,Anakin loses his saber,Obi-Wan picks it up after losing his,and before he has a chance to attack Anakin an earthquake knocks Ani off balance and he falls into a darkened lava pit,Ben flees w/the lightsaber,Anakin sinks unseen into the lava melting away half his torso,the sulfur severly damaging his lungs,the clone troopers who were standing off in the distance while Anakin battled Obi-Wan watch as Anakin mechanical arm claws his way out of the pit,the clones bring Anakin back to coruscant were we will see a hardly alive Anakin being tranformed into a life preserving unit.."in a vocabulary of a time"....Frankenstein.
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Anakin has been promoted by Palpatine to command a unit of clones as part of his new Galactic Empire,Anakin followed with his unit of clones are on a planet with volcanos and lava,a planet Tyrannus has been secretly running the last remanants of his Sepratists movement on,Anakin seeks out Tyrannus,destroys him using the dark side as his ally,twisted and feeling powerful from his new found darkside powers,he is followed by Obi-Wan the two get into a serious argument leading blame and a battle,eruptions and earthquakes are occuring all over the planet Anakin gets the upper hand in battle but just as he is about to kill Obi-Wan he is hit on the head with a large rock force thrown by Obi-Wan,Anakin loses his saber,Obi-Wan picks it up after losing his,and before he has a chance to attack Anakin an earthquake knocks Ani off balance and he falls into a darkened lava pit,Ben flees w/the lightsaber,Anakin sinks unseen into the lava melting away half his torso,the sulfur severly damaging his lungs,the clone troopers who were standing off in the distance while Anakin battled Obi-Wan watch as Anakin mechanical arm claws his way out of the pit,the clones bring Anakin back to coruscant were we will see a hardly alive Anakin being tranformed into a life preserving unit.."in a vocabulary of a time"....Frankenstein.
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Hey, where's that douche-cunt bwstarwars with his Star Wars rap? He must have the day off today. (like he works...)
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Before you start to hate me, hear me out... I'd LOVE it if the Dark Lords of the Sith could dominate this movie, BUT I just don't see it able to happen if this is an actual summary of the script. Here's my reasoning: First, none of the Star Wars films feature long passages of time (between films they do, but not within films). Second, according to the summary, this story begins before Palpatine declares himself a Sith. Now, it's safe to say that Darth Psidious rules the Empire with with an iron fist. He is leader who is feared, not loved. In this story, Palpatine, not Psidious, starts the Galactic Empire in an effort to protect it. That's why the member star systems will go along with it. In the time of this movie, the Jedi, even though they are being destroyed, are still well known in the galaxy as defenders of peace and justice. In SW: EP 4, the whole idea of the Jedi is looked down on as a worthless "ancient religion" that has no influence or use, and is no more than mumbo-jumbo. Episode III is not that time, however, and NO STAR SYSTEM is going to allow itself to be ruled by a Sith lord. That type of rule is EVIL, with pain and suffering applenty, and none of the galactic leaders would stand for it (what type of leaders would they be if they just said, uh oh, times of trouble...so lets turn the rule of our fair planet over to a tyrranical madman who is evil, evil, evil! That will crush the separitists!). Here's how it will have to unfold, if it's to be believable in the realms of simple social psychology: First, the Jedi have to be wiped out. Then, the populace has to start to believe that Jedi were useless. They have to forget them. This happens through the spread of rumor and dissent. Then, they have to accecpt the oppression that Palpatine is laying on them. This can all only happen very slowly...decades! Say, first there is awful inflation, horrible taxes, increased crime. The people have to completely lose hope. Once things fall apart, and the cloners have had time to make lots and lots more warriors, Palpatine can send clone warriors in to each planet and set up a sort of martial law. Once he has everyone living in fear, and accepting that life, he can show his true self, Darth Psidious, to the masses. This, though, would all take years. A few million cloned troops (all they have at this point) is not enough to handle so many planets. SO, my point is that while Palpatine may show his true self to the Jedi, he will not "come out" to everyone, which means that Vader won't be able to go around commiting attrocities in the name of the Emperor. Alas, in the prequels we are only supposed to see what drives Anakin to the Dark Side. The original trilogy will still be the only place to see the true Darth Vader, after the evil has hopelessely (almost) taken over him.
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Jan 24, 2003 6:09:48 PM CST
I do believe ChickenGeorgeVI's version of Episode III will turn
by nihilon
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Lucas is looking to add a lava planet to episode 3,He has sent people out to film recent eruptions,and I believe he even stated something to this fact,not only that but it remains the only environment left he hasn't shown on his films...The "lava" on coruscant are lights from below..there is no lava shown on coruscant..
But I supposed it's easier to accept the entire city world of coruscant is built on lava..rather than a new planet introduced (Tyrannus' hideout as i spoiled above)
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The lava scene is actual news, but the rest is just clever extrapolation. Any fool could have done it, and probably did. Does anyone else hate the abbreviation OB1 as much as I do? Didn't think so. One more thing: I'm all for the mocking of that bullshit plot summary a while back, what with Grando and the black lightsaber and so forth, but everything that's come out since has agreed with it. Granted, there's still a lot to come, but still... I maintain that it's some pathetic fanboy's apoplectic brain droppings, and I'm all for mocking it into the dirt, but what happens if, God forbid, it turns out to be true? Is anyone here really going to be laughing when that black lightsaber actually gets whipped out? Just a thought...
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I guessed the plot of Episode 2 to about 70%. If you do the math it's really easy, so listen up people:
The story will begin with The Jedi put in control of The Clone Army. We're in the middle of a huge ground war on a remote planet: Anakin and Ewan find Dooku's hideout. But it's a trap and the entire planet is set to blow up. Instead of retreating with the others, Anakin stays to fight Dooku (and kills him), but is beat to an inch of his life. This planet explodes taking with it almost all of the clone army. Everyone assumes Anakin is dead, but he's rescued by Sidious and "rebuilt." Later, after suffering a tremendous loss, the Republic blames the Jedi -- who are stripped of their command. It is here that the Jedi discover the Emperor's secret. Then someone tries to kill The Emperor -- the Jedi are made the scapegoats and ordered arrested. The Emperor, like Julius Caesar, decides to command the remaining armies himself which is good cause the Federation army is now at Coruscant's front door. The Emperor starts building the Death Star to defend the Republic. The great deciding battle takes place within the orbit of Coruscant. The Republic wins but with the senate weakened and the Jedi gone, Ewan and Natalie realize they've lost. The infants are thus split up. The last shot of the movie will likely be Ewan giving the child to Beru and Owen and walking off into the desert.
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Grando, a leading industrialist, is beheaded by Mace Windu in a bitter accounting dispute. Young Lando stares poignantly at his dead father's statement of owner's equity, then heads off to Corsusant to get some of that sweet, sweet firepussy from a hot Tw'ilek whore. This is true! My brother works in the costume department in Sydney.
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Jan 24, 2003 6:40:22 PM CST
If Lucas can make a role for Jimmy Smits, then he sure as hell b
by elgyn6655321
And I want his character digitally inserted into the Original Trilogy, too.
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Jan 24, 2003 6:41:13 PM CST
If Episode 1 ends with a FUNERAL and Episode 2 ends with a WEDDI
by togmeister
Trust me, the appearance of the twins will be right at the very end, as OB1 flies to Tattooine and Padme to Alderaan. Throughout the prequels, Lucas has riffed on key scenes in the OT ('the same note played differently' as he says on the DVD). For exapmple, Luke firing the crucial shot to destroy the Death Star is repeated as Anakin firing the crucial shot to blow up the Donut ship or whatever it was. Luke watching helplessly as Vader slays Obi-Wan is repeated as Obi-Wan watching helplessly as Maul slays Qui-Gon. Luke defying the Jedi to fly to Bespin and rescue Solo is repeated as Anakin defying the Jedi to fly to Geonosis and rescue Obi-Wan. And so on. So count on this - the 3-way Emperor/Luke/Vader Death Star confrontation will be replayed as a 3-way Palpatine/Dooku/Anakin confontation. Just as Luke got the better of Vader (paying back the loss of his hand in the process)but did not give in to the dark side and kill him, so Anakin will get the better of Dooku (paying back the loss of his hand in the process)and then give in to the Dark Side and slay him. So history repeats itself again. Sound plausible? BTW- i'm pleased to see a Star Wars talkback that so far has remained pretty civilized. Props to you all - could we all just be growing up a bit?
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I think I missed a talkback or two. What is all this about 1) Grando Calrissian, 2) Black Lightsaber, 3) Self-immolating Yoda?
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when in the hell is Lucas going to release STAR WARS -A NEW HOPE on DVD? im getting old! time is running out! it cant be that big a deal. hes only got an army of employees to do it.
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Jan 24, 2003 7:11:19 PM CST
No, young Han and Chewie please! And make this film as dark and
by screenplaywriter
First, George I don't care what you say Hayden Christiansen cannot act, he's a dumb Canadian who looks too much like James Franco. Secondly, if you want to show some characters from the original trilogy than show Tarkin, or Calrissian, or perhaps the Mon Calamari people. Third, I want to see Anakin badly burnt, none of this "cover-it-up, or tone-it-down-because-there's-little-diaper-wearers, or-mommy-help-me-it-scares-me" people in the audience. Personally, I didn't believe for a second that Shimi was badly beaten, or that her ass was kicked by the Tuskens, I thought she looked more like they had hot desert sex with her and that she just took a couple bonks to the noggin.
Fourth, I want to see tons of Jedi die. I want to Mace Windu either be cut in half, or electrified by Dooku, or Anakin.
Fifth, make Beru and Owen have more lines, not some pathetic cameo scenes, also do the same for Jimmy Smitts.
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It has Hayden Christensen in it. Lucas (whose brain seeped out his ears long ago) is behind it. And ILM will not have learned a single thing from WETA, thus making their insane amount of CG effects damn near as crappy as those found in Clones.
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Jan 24, 2003 7:14:48 PM CST
Give it up already! Star Wars is dead! It will never be like the
by jarjar25
I still can't believe that people think these prequels will ever be any good. Bad story, bad directing and bad acting will never make for anything truly memorable! Star Wars used to be cool, but these new films have no passion, nor do we care about any of the characters. It is really funny too, on how so many peoples lives depend on these films, as if they are the only entertainment around. My GOD! We live in a time where we have all kinds of great fantasy and Science Fiction films to see and love. Besides great films like "The Matrix", " The Lord of the Rings." We have great animated films and TV series from Japan like "Spirited Away" or "Witch Hunter Robin" Chinese and Japanese live action films. Other great film makers from our own country. We don't need Star Wars anymore. The original trilogy did a great job,Thank you very much! What we really need is for Lucas to go away or at least let other fans do their own versions of Star Wars. Some of those fan films have more drama and excitement than the films done by Lucas. George it is over!
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Anyone who post's here and calls another poster a geek. What is that. Its like the Nazi's calling Klan members raciests
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It all makes sense now. Han and Chewie are having the party that Lando wants to go to so bad, why else would he be fighting with Grando about taking the Falcon? There's going to be Wookie Firepussy there, and you can't get Wookie Firepussy without a hoop ride.
Lando will go to the party get locked in the bathroom with the fat girl from Six Feet Under while a rager goes on downstairs, he'll pull out his black lightsaber and lose his virginity, meanwhile a young Han will realize that he can't leave for a summer session at Harvard until he tells popular girl, Jennifer Love Hewitt that he is in love with her. Yoda will sing Welcome to the Jungle and it'll be worth the 12 dollar ticket.
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Who cares what happens in Spisode III. We all know that the origins of Darth Vader or whtever are going to be presented in the most amateurish way possible - with bad acting and terrible dialogue. You couldn't pay me to see Episode III.
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Who cares what happens in Episode III. We all know that the origins of Darth Vader or whtever are going to be presented in the most amateurish way possible - with bad acting and terrible dialogue. You couldn't pay me to see Episode III.
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"they have James Earl Jones confirming the April 1978 origin of Darth Vader rumor that came out of FUTURE MAGAZINE... do you think that FUTURE MAGAZINE knew they had a story 25 years ahead of its time?" What a crock Harry. The Star Wars: A New Hope novelization, copyright 1977, mentions the lava lightsaber duel. You are so full of shit sometimes. And by the way, this was posted several days ago on several different web sites. Oh well.
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...And you know why? Because Lucas hates that that's why the first ones were so popular.
Han Solo was the only grownup thing about the original Star Wars-- the wink to the audience that said "This kiddie Flash Gordon stuff may be hokey, but damn, it's fun if you don't take it seriously." It was the same attitude Casablanca's Bogart took to the Nazis ("There are some parts of New York I would advise even the German Army not to wander into.") And Lucas hated the fact that it meant his own dopey little Lensman ripoff didn't even take its own space opera pretensions seriously. He was stuck with him for the next two films-- but moving back in time allowed him to get rid of him and treat his whole made-up saga with the Godfather II solemnity he always believed it deserved. (Hasn't anyone made the obvious observation yet that Annakin's apprenticeship under the Emperor is a reflection of his early relationship to Coppola, who still has the critical regard, if not the flabbergasting box office success, that Lucas alone has never achieved among his peers? Hell, even DePalma gets more respect than Lucas.)
Think about it. We got Aunt Beroo as a young person. We got Boba Fett (who barely existed in the first movies) and his entire family saga. We'll probably get the entire Wayans family as the Calrissians. We saw R2D2 get built and C3PO get gold-plated. We get poor Ewan McGregor turning into Malcolm MacDowell before our very eyes. The ONLY character in the originals we will never get is the one who burst out of the original into stardom and made the original movies not just bearable but a lot of fun-- by mocking them. That's what Lucas can't bear-- mockery from his own movie.
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Come on guys, Star Wars ended in the mid 80's. Let it go.
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Jan 24, 2003 8:15:56 PM CST
Robert Carlyle(Full Monty, Formula 51) should be cast as Tarkin.
by monkey_king
Rick McCallum has already confimred Hugh Kackman's involvment. Could Lucas save Farscape from the Sci-Fi Channels tyranny as well?
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see the trailer and they also have the matrix reloaded script
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Jan 24, 2003 8:38:06 PM CST
Doing prequels to star wars{New Hope}.was always a big mistake..
by horus
I said it long before P.Menace came out and i stick to that opinion.George is giving us a simple little story , WE ALREADY KNOW and worse ,he's telling it veeeeeerrrryyy Slooowwwwllly.By setting it *before* the first one .. he's painted himself into a corner, where there's zero chance of surprise and no sense of *what happens next*.Something that was the main thrust of the original triology.Any attempt at freeing himself from this linear straightjacket of a triology , just throws up, huge problems with continuity .It would have worked a whole let better to set it after ROTJ.Hell, the thing is he could almost tell the same story ..he could still have Naboo and Qui Gonn Jar Jar and Darth Maul..because theyre never mentioned and not to be seen in the original triology.At least them we wouldn't sit there waiting for shit to happen that we knew about 20 years ago.Oh and now apparently we aren't even going to see the clone wars..which seemed to be the whole f***ing point of this trilogy!
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Wouldn't it be sweet if Lucas grew some balls and the big twist at the end of III is what we've secretly feared all along, that the Jedi and the Rebellion are the real enemy. In our current political situation it would be a fitting tribute to King George and his politics of regime change.
We find out that Jedi were a crazy cult that was allowed to operate within the Federation because of a common belief that it's better to keep your enemies close, and that everything Dooku and Palpatine are doing is actually for the good of the people, since the Jedi can only be systemactically eliminated, instead of simply assisinated. It will invalidate everything from the first three movies and turn an entire generation on its ear. -
How could the Jedi be evil when even Darth Vader and the Empire refer to themselves as the Dark Side? Tell me, becuase I don't know.
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Jan 24, 2003 8:50:27 PM CST
A Han Cameo? Is Chewie gonna be played by a hairball or somethi
by kingkarll
And do we finally get to see Moff Tarkin blow something up again? That would be fun. Can't wait. They really botched casting Darth by the way-you coulda had any number of kinda gloomy types-but instead he went for Brady kid #5 and then N'Stunk #3. What the--? Casting is important George. Please-no more whacky choices on character names, roles, etc. Think before youse acts..............And oh yes-more Dooku. That is a plus.
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Jan 24, 2003 9:03:45 PM CST
bwstarwars/MutantEnemy/bwbuffy: BARRY WOODWARD, You must be so l
by regicidal_maniac
As always your creative writings make interesting reading (although your godawful 'poetry' does not).
You try so hard. You must be incredibly lonely to constantly troll in this way. I almost feel sorry for you.
And no matter how new or old this cool news is, it won't change the fact that Lucas will film it in such a way as to make it look like a twelve-foot-high pile of arse.
The first prequel was a racing game, the second prequel was a scrolling levels game and the third one will be shot in first person shooter mode. Lucas sucks. There are three star wars movies and they were released from 1977 -1983. -
We all know Lucas will once again make another crap SW movie. I don't see how anyone can be excited about episode3.
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Star Wars is SO 1975. Blah!
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First, Ani and Amadillo spend their honeymoon in Aloha, a tropical planet. Their wedding night night is... dissapointing. Ani comes back to work, which is... I'm not sure, killing robots I think, worried about his inability to please a woman. Obi1 sees an opurtunity, and goes for it, cause he thinks Amadillo is alright, too good for the snivelling little shit Ani, and gets his end wet. Amadillo is more than willing. Some Jedi die, Palpatation tells Ani it's not his fault, just stress, and that he hasn't had one for years. When amadillo gets fatter and fatter, Ani is suspiscious. Then they go to a planet called Beatnik, inhabited by fun and peace loving cute things, and the save the day, but not the movie. Oh yea, there's a 50's diner in there too, just like the last one, with a roller skating waitress robot called "Doris". Star Wars. What a fucking joke.
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...and Obi-Wan will fly the Millenium Falcon ....right?!
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Jan 24, 2003 9:21:57 PM CST
Jason Issacs would make the perfect younger Grand Moff Tarkin...
by red raider
...every time I'm going to say the name, I catch myself wanting to say "Grandma Tarkin"!
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Jan 24, 2003 9:30:08 PM CST
I'm against the whole lava thing - or, thoughts from a non-SW ge
by hktelemacher
Who else really wants to see Anakin cut to ribbons instead of slipping on a banana peel (or one of Jar-Jar's ears) and plummeting into a volcano? It's kind of a punk-ass way for Anakin to go out. In the 20 year old Ep 3 treatment that's been on the internet forever that's the way it goes down and he's put back together by these floating mystery shrouds. They should pull his carcass out of hardened rock, and the little dudes who froze Solo in carbonite in Empire should make Vader - which would be a lot cooler than having it be a Geonisian tune-up. What else should Episode III have to make it worthwhile? Only cameos by characters that would have something to do with the story - Tarkin, Mon Mothma, Ackbar - so no Solo or Chewie. The robot bounty hunter from Empire could be the next Jar-Jar should definitely die. Padme should live through the end of the film and the twins should be born after the Anakin into Vader transformation occurs. Yoda should fight Sideous and lose. Mace Windu should be revealed as the traitor he is (watch him closely in AOTC, he's a turncoat) and taken out with some finesse on somebody's part. Anakin definitely needs to take the arm back from Chris Lee. The Death Star prototype should blow the hell out of Naboo, but since the bugs aren't worked out it will simply fuck up it's eco-system, turning the planet inside out - hence, Dagaboh is born, thus - the cave from Empire should be explained and isn't it a pretty smart move to put Yoda on a planet that they're going to destroy but since he's an amphibious little dude and a pretty powerful one at that he survived the water core explosion, but is marooned nonetheless. No hollow connections - so no Grando Calrissian, but the presence of the Millenium Falcon would be acceptable. A black lightsaber? Could be cool if Sideous were wielding it, it should also have a curve. Personally, a big opening battle that ends the clone wars would satisfy me - if the entire were movie played against the backdrop of the end of the biggest war ever seen in SW that would be cool, but as long as the end of AOTC is trumped somewhere in the movie in terms of pure scale - I'm happy. How about showing how the Empire possibly wiped out a lot of alien species, which would go far to keep the parallel up between the Empire and the Nazis. Bail Organa needs to be like the gentlemen pirate here, and actually kick some ass. In that old treatment, the Captain Antilles - who 3PO refers to as their last master in ANH fills that role, but his cabin boy is Han Solo, so ... A battle between Vader and Obi-Wan is pretty much called for, and if the last hour of the flick had mechanical Vader in an early incantation of the armor - that would be rockin'. Padme confronting Vader would be a good scene. A final twist about the Palpatine/Sideous thing, if not too far out, would be welcome. Lastly - if the fans are gypped out of Vader hunting down and murdering all of the Jedi with a team of bounty hunters (including a growth-accelerated Boba Fett) then the magic is truly fucking gone. If a battle against Anakin/Vader takes the lives of all the Jedi instead of how gruesome it should be, then there's no point, is there? Of course, none of it will ever live up to how fans who've been turning it over in their heads for 25 years have wanted it to unfold - unless Lucas suddenly pulls it out of his ass and makes something truly epic. But, if his skills improve as much as they did from between TPM and AOTC, if he keeps growing exponentially as a filmmaker and storyteller, it could be great. We're looking for greatness here. The sins of TPM and the false highs of AOTC will be forgiven if Episode III can bridge it all together with something worthwhile, something truly dark. The most encouraging thing is Lucas' quote about how Episode III will alienate some of the viewers because of it's darkness. That's a great thing. No comic relief whatsoever. The way I've justified things and can live harmoniously in a world with TPM is I just tell myself it's a great children's film, and AOTC is a great movie for teenagers. Well, Episode III needs to be a great movie for adults, for the real fans of the original trilogy who do feel they're owed a little something more. I've let just about everything slide, but if Episode III isn't the revelation it should be, well that's just unfortunate that so much potential was wasted. I've always liked Lucas original idea of Frank Darabont directing AOTC and David Fincher directing Episode III, and always thought it would be great if Lucasc continued the lineage of co-writers on brought on Jake Kasdan to co-scribe the sequel prequels after his father wrote Empire and Jedi. But after TPM, it seems nobody wanted to touch the properties with a ten foot black lightsaber - and a lot of the fans are starting to feel the same way.
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C.G., that was hilarious. I nearly fell off my chair at work reading "C". Thanks, I needed that.
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..for the love of all things holy!! Bring back the Muppet for christ sakes!
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Jan 24, 2003 9:45:15 PM CST
Friday Night, I'm On AICN...Yep, I'm Joining the Monastery TOMOR
by jollydwarf
Not that it mattered this time. (Whew!) This info is the kind of space-filler that anyone with a cursory knowledge of the other five films could deduce. ***But either way, the real spoiler season doesn't start until May.*** (Anyone remember the spy picture of the 'wedge-shaped' Episode II ship in Sydney circa May '00?) And what's this KRAP about "Circle of the Force"? You KNOW that Georgie Porgie won't divulge the title to ANYONE until late summer of '04. That's a fucking YEAR AND A HALF! The only thing of interest that I've seen or heard so far is that the Falcon (or another illegally modified Correllian freighter?) will be introduced in THE FINAL STAR WARS MOVIE EVER! And some stuff about a CGI Ackbar. If you're like me, you have to still be extremely skeptical about the finished product that will be unleashed in May of '05. I see many BAD DECISIONS being made, most of them in the name of the almighty Earth credit. Specifically: 1.) No PG-13 rating. How can this film be effective with anything less? You need to have mass "Jedicide", Anakin's "Gandalf imitation" and ensuing disfiguration (make the fucker SCREAM like he's in Hell! This isn't falling down a flight of stairs or getting hit with a frying pan that puts him in the armor!), Anakin possibly-probably whacking Dooku (giving in where Luke didn't), possible on-screen deaths of Padme, Jar-Jar Superstar (obscure!), and Palpatine, IF he's indeed a Force-free clone of Sidious. Not to mention Anakin being fitted for his "iron lung". 2.) Minimal Classic Trilogy cameos. Lucas would rather force some creature that looks like Hanna-Barbara on acid onto the toy shelves than have Chewie, Tarkin, et al appear. (Apparently, none of the key players like Mon Mothma, Tarkin, etc. will appear) And I for one would admit to OPENLY WEEPING over the sight of even one X-Wing on screen. The best we'll probably see are some sleeker "prototype" ships that "show the connection" to the original trilogy's collection. Because EVERY FANBOY would rather have stuff specifically designed to vacuum the completist's wallet clean than old favorites in new packaging! 3.) There's going to be some hackneyed "small victory" (Quick! Name the Band!) to mitigate the melodrama of the rest of the galaxy collapsing in front of our eyes. I'm all for seeing the first Rebel strike, but not when its primary purpose is to make folks "feel rootin'-tootin' good" when leaving the theater. He's promised the least commercially-successful chapter for years now, but methinks that he won't or CAN'T deliver. 4.) 'Lucas el Loco' is going to direct. Not a surprise, but you had to hope that he'd let someone else (anyone!) give it a spin. George, you can either pull a Jordan and permanently tarnish your legacy by botching this ENTIRE trilogy, or you can come through in our darkest hour, on the floor, being electrocuted, screaming for help and redeem all of your other missteps. Let the IRONY be complete. While this is officially Episode III, let it be your Episode VI. "Return of the Jedi" was your descent into crass kiddie commercialism, and this is the film where you see how far you've gone astray. There is still a hot-rod lovin' quality storyteller in there. We can feel it. Release your inner conflict and do it for us, yourself, and the films, George...the films. Do you have any idea how much this film means to us? I know, I know. You're sorry. You're just not very good at...confrontations.
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For the benefit of the people here who are bitching to Lucas about not putting the Clone Wars in Episode III. George Lucas has already said that the movie will start with the last battle of the Clone Wars, the rest of the movie will be smaller and personal. I'm betting that this opening Clone War battle will be so huge, that no movie maker will ever be able to top it! Fan Boys who always attack Lucas about the prequels are just nervous because they know that Episode III is coming.
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Jan 24, 2003 9:54:28 PM CST
When I was 13 I never EVER would have guessed how bored I'd now
by the g-man
I was 13 when the first one came out, and totally obsessed with it. I still love the first one, but I never even bothered to watch "Attack of the Clones" (though someone lent me the DVD this weekend), and really don't care what happens in Ep 3. Part of it is growing up, but a lot of it is how bad these new films are.
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I bought a story treatment for Fall of the Republic around the time ROTJ was released. Ordered it from those folks who printed the "collect all the SW posters", poster. Names the volcanic planet
(Sigma Volcanus?) and adds that OB1 and Anakin are fighting over a "Kaber" crystal that intensifies the force. Anakin survives 'cause he's huggin' the crystal when he takes the lava plunge. Tarkin and Solo are in the treatment, but Solo isn't named, just referred to as a starship captain's "Correlian cabin boy". In this treatment Padme was called "Lady Arcadia". -
Anybody who thinks the cgi effects suck in the Star Wars prequels, and that the Lord of the Rings cgi effects are superior are full of shit! Peter Jackson himself admitted to going to Skywalker Ranch for help with special effects. Looks like ILM is still the master.
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First the former poster. YES, YES, YES!!! No, I'm not doing shots of "Herbal Essence" shampoo. It's just that it's great to read someone else who can see the WINDU is a traitor. Lucas is NOT that original when it comes to casting. First of all, he wouldn't give "Sam the Man" Jackson a 'blah' part based around a poker face, pursed lips, a flat affect, and a walking stick made of Grade A Morality firmly up his ass. Secondly, the evidence is CLEAR in both films. His impatience with Qui Gon's assessment of little orphan "Ani". His being the one that flatly states "No" pertaining to Anakin's Padawan status. Actually, as a side note, I opine that it could be Windu and Ki Adi Mundi that are the TRAITORS. "Impossible. The Sith have been extinct for over a millenium." And... "I...do not believe the Sith could have returned without us knowing." And they're both flanking Yoda, thus 'clouding' his vision, jamming his radar. This continues in AOTC, of course. The whole discussion in the Chancellor's office. Both deny that Dooku could be behind the assassination attempt. Mace tells Palpatine (just to confirm) that the Jedi are "keepers of the peace" and basically that they'd be overwhelmed by a Separatist army. (Wink wink) And who erased the Kamino data? If Dooku left the Jedi Order and was THEN recruited by Sidious (which we don't know if that's DEFINITELY the order in which things happened, but it seems to be that way), then who did it? That duck-faced Jedi that makes a quick cameo? Plo Koon? Quoth Obi Wan: "I don't think so." The evidence goes on. Mace suggesting that the Jedi reveal their weakness to the Senate. Mace NOT killing Dooku when he had a chance. The knowing look the two exchange when he decapitates THE ENTIRE CLONE ARMY TEMPLATE! His immediate denial that the Jedi order the Clone Army when asked by Obi Wan via transmission (spelled out more clearly in the novelization, BTW). Just because he fucks up some droids and he and Ki raid a Federation Starship (REALLY deleted scene!), doesn't mean that he's a good guy. The big question is WHY? Tired of being the "second chair" guy or the Vice Pres? It just seems like even Lucas won't weasel out of this "Judas" moment. (NEXT TOPIC) And ***happyfunball***, I remember seeing the Coruscant "surface" in the Trailer C shots and thinking ('Hmmm, what if that shot is a foreshadowing of Anakin's fall?') I didn't think that it was actual lava then...but now...the bottom line is that it would make TONS of sense to have a subterranean duel under the cityplanet, but they DID film and active volcano this fall, and Lucas just has to put a new planet in every film. Unless we get a good segment on Alderaan (look closely at the garden in the background and witness the pleasures of Twil'lek fellatio! And William Shatner being fed grapes by a Rodian honey!), I think he's going to set the 'big duel' on his Hell Planet. We've had the desert, the forest, the floating castle (twice!), the swamp, the clouds, the Artic, scenic Italy, the Perfect Storm cubed, the Middle East, and Manhattan. It's just a Lucas fixture. But your analysis is not easily dismissed. No matter WHERE it happens, count on Obi Wan "defeating" Anakin by making Anakin become momentarily OVERCONFIDENT and thusly vulnerable. Just think of Obi Wan's sacrifice on the Death Star and his cryptic advice to Han Solo and friends: "You can't always win. But there ARE alternatives to fighting." Simply put, book it. Anakin will "defeat" himself. Like Maul and Sidious did, through their assumed victories and momentary lapses in vigilance. CONSTANT VIGILANCE! (Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.)
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Is D.B a fan made think or George's creation. In reading theforce.net ep. 3 forums, there's little mention of him, but by some he is seen as even more powerful than Palpatine. That's why Palps needs Anakin, to get rid of him. And gabriel Byrne, if he's not going to be D.B, then what role could he play??
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..."You guys aren't gonna believe this! At the end of the movie...the boat sinks!"
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Sign this petition because we can't let Lucas seal Grando's fate.Lets take one back for the Black man!!Black Rage!!!
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Jan 25, 2003 12:22:26 AM CST
Who really cares anymore? Star Wars is dead... And you all know
by jackrabbit
You fanboys can't deny this immutable fact any longer. I am not excited about seeing this movie at all. And deep down, neither are you. If you are, you're kidding yourself. Look, we all know Episode III is going to chomp down hard on deez nuts. It's gonna blow balls. In fact, it's gonna take some serious convincing to get me into the theatre to see this piece of crap. I think I'd rather rent The Mangler. Or maybe Mangler 2. The sad thing is: some of you idiots actually own these movies. And probably masturbate to them. While thinking about taking George Lucas from behind... And thrashing him whilst giving him a proper reach-around...................................................................................................................................... George Lucas raped my childhood, whilst giving me a reach-around.....
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I had always figured the volcanic plannet in the old paintings and the obi-wan vs anakin battle happened on Sullust, which is a volcanic planet in the star wars universe(also home of nein numb). It is in the first Rouge Squadron game, but it is also mentioned in Return of the Jedi. It is where the rebellion gets together prior to attacking the Death Star. So it could, to some extent be the source of Vader's creation and his downfall. More Lucas bookends....although I think there is something to the lava under courscant. I would tend to think Obi-Wan will force push Anakin into the lava pit, remembering back to how Darth Maul pushed him down the shaft in Menace.
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Odds are, this movie will be terrible. It's going to be another G-Rated, digital effects clusterfuck without a soul. Last time i checked, bad acting and a poor screenplay equals bad movie,
no matter how it looks. Episodes I,II and III should be looked upon just like Coppola's pile of defacation, Godfather III.
You gotta know when to say when.
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black lightsabers, I'm there!
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I mean, Dooku cuts his arm off in Episode II, we don't get to see him cut the Tuskan Raiders to shreds after his mom dies, etc. When the hell are we going to be unequivocally awed by this midichlorian infested, super-jedi genius virtuoso? And now you're saying Obi-Wan kicks his ass and drops him into a volcano? Is he awesome after that? Does he kill all the jedi? What makes him so much better, so much more talented, so great that he becomes Darth Vader? Just Midichlorians? I want to see a scene where he loses all control of his powers. When he finally gives into the Dark Side. I want to see the beginings of him stopping blaster shots with his hands. I want him to choke a guy with the force. His best friend. The ex-husband of his mother. Someone. Anyone. For the love of god, make me cringe as the pod racing kid from Episode I becomes the scariest, most unstoppable thing in the universe.
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I'm watching Empire right now in DTS on DVD. man you guys are slow.
http://www.getvcds.com/dvd/DVDSF04021002.shtml
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We've been hearing for a long time that Gabriel Byrne was approached about a role, but no one has ever connected him with Tarkin...despite the fact that he sort of looks like Peter Cushing.
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Jan 25, 2003 2:07:39 AM CST
Rob Schneider should play Grando Calrissian in blackface!
by jules windex
and Dave Chappelle should play Jar Jar's stoner cousin Pot Pot Blunts. Cheech can play Boss Nass.
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George is like Darth Vader..more machine now than man,back when he didn't have all the CGI,the guy had to be artistically inventive (Aliens less of a specticle,more of a side dish,everything had a realism to it because it was REAL)CGI has it's place,and just like anything it's ok in moderation but the prequels combine many bad eliments (actors cast for looks instead of chemistry,instead of real props and real people as aliens,everything is now artificial and and moves like rubber,Kasdan's writing was replaced with yes man McCallum..As soon as I first saw what Lucas did with the Special Editions I started having doubts about how faithfull the prequels would match up to the originals,and I was right..The prequels do have some "Star Wars" moments to them,but the best thing George could have done was bring back cast to help write the script (at least the dialogue) and allowed Spielberg to direct these things.
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I know I'm just going to give myself a headache for using logic with these movies, but it has to be done. If the clones get older so fast because of accelerated growth, then after a short period of time wouldn't they all get to be really really old and be an army of the elderly? It seems like they would all be dead in a short time so what would be the point of spending all that money, time, and resources on a clone army that would last so short a time? Is there something im missing?
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I think it has something to do with accelerated growth only until it's mature then it slows down or something.
I just don't like some of the corners Lucas paints himself into,he ends up explaining things in a less than appealing fasion.
for example in TPM instead of the neimoidians and battle droids (who i can't stand by the way,destroyers were ok though) Lucas could have have replaced them with a Mandalore army..and the Gungans were pointless and overly childish,regular soldiers and Jedi could have been shown battling the mandalore warriors. -
I don't know were you heard that,but it doesn't seem unlike something Lucas would do,it sounds a little unnesissary (does every little thing need to be explaned in detail?)
I never used to consider having any alternate versions of Star Wars,but hell..if Lucas is going to go back and revise,touch up and add on to these movies constantly,I'm going to just edit the prequels the way I see fit and consider them good enough..these prequels definately could benefit from some better editing. -
Why? Because Tarkin was the baddest Imperial in the galaxy in the first film! I mean, even Vader wouldn't question or oppose him! Peter Cushing was THE bad ass in that movie. "Evacuate? In our moment of triumpth? I think you overestimate their chances." Nothing would bother this guy. Even in the final moment there, he's cool as can be. I NEED Tarkin in Episode III just so we can have ONLY last bad ass character that doesn't take ANYBODY's shit. Tarkin was stern, sadistic, and just one evil bastard! Robert Carlyle has the look (just look at "THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH" if you doubt me). Also, for all of you complaining about no Grando Calrissian...STOP! Because it's CARlissian NOT CALrissian! Get it right, people! Oh, and the whole lava pit scene has been thrown out an astronomical amount of times for YEARS! Remember the whole Concord Dawn rumors?! Nothing new. Also, does anyone else here think that Kenobi is one HORRIBLE detective? I mean, it's taking him two or three years to uncover what's been sitting under his nose for more than a decade?! He's no interstellar Sherlock Holmes, that's for sure. Now, if he had a black lightsaber & Grando Carlissian at his side, he'd have figured it all out in Episode I BEFORE Darth Maul impaled Darkman (Liam Neeson)! On a side note, REMEMBER that it's Boba Fett who will murder Mace Windu! Yeah, murder! I think Lucas should focus on the word "murder" NOT "kill" because "murder" is a FAR more powerful word than "kill". Murder refers to a CRIME! Murder........ Also, before I go, I MUST say one last thing......SARUMAN!!!!!!!!! -NJM
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This shit is great. I think I've been more entertained by the Grando comments than I was for Episodes I and II combined. I was getting excited for III, thinking it might be a serious film, until I read the talkback where "bantha poodoo" was mentioned. Then I remembered who is making it and laughed myself back into reality.
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I really can't believe that the disappointment I have felt in Eps 1&2 will be put to rest in Ep.3. The first trilogy were rip-roaring adveture rides. The faux-political mystery line of TPM & AOTC is a complete bore. If I want political intricacies I'll watch the West Wing. The new trilogy so far has been a souless, sparkling, artifical bore that will never live in peoples hearts the way the REAL SW movies do. As for Lucas getting good performances from this actors, have you seen the man in interview/on set etc.? HE SEEMS TO BE SLEEPWALKING!! He has passion no for his work at all, he looking like a bored civil servant (or accountant would perhaps be more apt). Roll on LOTR3!!!!!
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"Literally ripping the galaxy asunder"? Why is it that people say "literally" when they mean the exact opposite? :D
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Jan 25, 2003 9:03:41 AM CST
So... Anakin knows she squeezes out twins? If so, then yay for
by rampagingtroll
If he knows he has kids, don't you think the *first* place he might look is where his only existing family still lives? Hmmm... thanks for ruining more of my childhood memories Lucas. Way to go, buddy.
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First Scorpius, next Tarkin, then Scorpius in a Farscape mini-series and Movie. That would be awesome.
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Not like our bitching is going to change anything. Just pray that someone pirates a good quality DVD with 5.1 sound from the Original Trilogy Laserdiscs and puts it up online like the Indiana Jones trilogy. Mmm, yes, having friends with unadulterated Indy DVDs is niiiiiice, and it'd be nicer to have the same for the Original Trilogy of what we grew up with and loved. And, on that note, doesn't "Special Edition" mean that it's an alternative to the main edition available? Just something I ponder. Along with the moniker "Alternative Rock", when it's really nothing alternative at all, but only the most popular new rock instead. Hmmm...
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Jan 25, 2003 9:49:30 AM CST
terminator3.com's elitist secret messageboard password is NOF8B4
by chafuleeatsrats
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Jan 25, 2003 10:06:54 AM CST
No, they explained on www.theforce.net that they were thinking a
by screenplaywriter
Because Vader says, "The circle is complete" which shows alot of significance and stuff, but I bet you anything Lucas will do like he always does take something old from his old films and make them new. (Qui-Gon being slain/Obi being slain. The Ewoks putting up a fight/Gungans putting up a fight. The Genosian arena scene/The Rancor scene. The doughnut shaped-Trade Federation ship/The Death Star. Obi being cocky, yet smooth/Anakin just being cocky, not smooth because he sucks at delivering lines.) The list goes on and on. The title will probably be "Return of the Sith" or "Fall of the Jedi" or "A Galaxy's End", or his "Circle is Complete" title. All I want for Episode III is to figure out one thing. (Why Qui Gon didn't suddenly vanish when he was killed?) and I want to see a young Tarkin, or Lando's dad as the owner of the Millenium Falcon and show a teenaged Greedo and Bossk next to him. Then, I want to see Anakin burnt, none of this "hide-it" shit, show us his fucking burns. Then, I want to see Mace either cut into, or electrified, or have him, Plo Koon, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Ali Gallia, and the others being surrounded by hoardes and hoardes of troopers until they finally give up and are shot to death. And please give Owen, Beru, Jimmy Smitts, and Christoper Lee more lines! And show why Jimmy took up the role as the father figure to Leia, show him betrothed Padme in the last scenes, so then we'd get a sense that this guy was her father, but not her real father. That's my two cents, George use them.
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'Cause that'd be wrong! ******** As for the article, old George has gone back on so many magazine quotes that I just don't know anymore. Is it really worth the adrenaline? I think the disappointment of Episode One followed by the underwhelming Episode Two pretty much clarified for me that these new Star Wars movies are not being made for me, or anyone alive at the time of the original films' releases. Better just to get on with life and dream our own dreams. But you know, Harry, I admire your determination to stand by the new movies. I wish these things had come out when I was 11, I was SO READY for them then.
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Jan 25, 2003 10:49:36 AM CST
A bit off topic, but seriously disturbing or funny dependinig on
by johnnytremaine
I'm surprised AICN hasn't picked up on the following movie news: I heard a news item that due to the critical success of CHICAGO, Miramax is producing another musical rendition of GUYS AND DOLLS. This one will star--get ready for this---The Rock. Yep. No joke. The Rock is in talks to play the part of Nathan Detroit. You'll remember the original starred Frank Sinatra and Marlon Brando as Detroit. But Dwayne Johnson? Someone please take Harvey Weinstein's crack away. It's starting to affect his business decisions.
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"Never has one with so much done so little for so many"
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... aside from you Lucas lemmings, of course. Seriously, I'm probably more interested in the plot for the next Benji movie. At least IT will be directed. And yes, down with the elitist pigs at the terminator3 message board. A worthy cause if there ever was one.
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Jan 25, 2003 11:42:32 AM CST
Thats nice but...uh...I think most of us knew this already
by dragonfire
It could be a good movie. I just wish someone else were directing it. It needs to be like 'the empire strikes back'. Episode 3 needs to have good acting and writing, something Lucas doesnt really seem able of producing without the right help, as we've said so many times. If only Irvin Kerschner would do it again, but then again maybe empire strikes back was a fluke and would never happen again. It's so different from all the other star wars movies. Even if ep3 is good , what good is it having three prequels where one is good and the other two are nice kiddies movies at best.
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I knew this back in 1983!! Except for the Dooku/Padme stuff. But somebody had twins...I just didn't know her name. This movie should be the best of the prequels!! I like Ep. II but it should have been Ep. I. On it's own...Ep. I wasn't really that bad a movie. But as a Star Wars movie..it didn't really do too much to start the whole storyline. I can't wait for Ep. III!!
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Doesn't anyone else remember Harry stating that there was no way he would read any spoilers about Episode III? About how he wanted to experience the film without any knowledge of what was to come. Is there no one else out there who remembers that? How soon they forget.
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Lucas has fucked up the sequals and i (a 31 year old that grew up on the 4,5, and 6 and every piece of star wars merchandising that i could find) could care less about ep 3. Hayden is as unwatchable as Jar Jar on repeat viewings.
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Jan 25, 2003 12:34:21 PM CST
It looks like most Star Wars fans are not happy the way these pr
by jarjar25
I had thought back at the beginning of the month that most of you guys were just bashing "Lord of the Rings" for the fun of it, but now I know that I was wrong! Seriously, you fanboys were doing this, because deep down you were wishing George had made these new Star Wars films with the same integrity and passion as Peter Jackson did with his films. I see hear with surprise that most people are not too crazy about this third Star Wars film. Well, you did it to yourselves. You should not have seen Episode II so many times. If the film would have done more poorly, than maybe, George would have got the idea to make a better third outing, but now you guys will get the same shit film making tactics that you have been getting for the past 4 years. By the time Episode III comes out, no one will really care!
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Jan 25, 2003 12:40:35 PM CST
I think there's ONE cool way Lucas could put Han Solo into the m
by the hillbrothers
Since the back story on Han & Chewie is that Han rescued the Wookie from the Spice Mines of Kessel, gaining Chewbacca's lifelong loyalty, Lucas could have one of Ep III's characters sent to the Mines. He could introduce Chewie (maybe Padme is sent there and he protects her from the other inmates) and have them freed by the boy Solo, who would have some kind of priveleged knowledge of the mines (I don't know why Han would be there in the first place, but something could be contrived). OK, just an idea.
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Show Anakin turning into Darth Vader, or make any hint of it. Anakin should "die", Palpatine should say "I need some new guy at my side, bring me Darth Vader" and that's that. Or don't even have Darth Vader show up at all. Just have him appear in Episode IV. But if you do anything to link Anakin to Darth in Episode III, you will completely and utterly destroy the climax of Episode V. "Luke, I am your father"... Yeah, we knew that back in Episode III, big whoop. Please, don't wreck the that part of the story!!!
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Jan 25, 2003 1:22:15 PM CST
"Count Dooku is still fucking the galaxy up hardcore"... is that
by neofromthematrix
Seriously, this "falling into a volcano/fiery pit of molten lava" thing is pretty absurd. If Anakin were to fall straight into molten lava, he would be instantaneously desintegrated. No "crawling out out of sheer will and somehow becoming a bionic man in order to survive" bullshit, he would simply be entirely consumed. Unless he found a way to save a part of himself by using the dark side of the force as a protective forcefield or something, but still...
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Jan 25, 2003 1:43:19 PM CST
What about Jar-Jar? Are they going to kill him off, or just mini
by screenplaywriter
Personally, I rather just give him little screentime than kill him. I mean sure he ain't the greatest CGI creation and sure he is a bit annoying sometimes, but I was more annoyed with Dobby from "Harry Potter" than Jar-Jar. I think Jar-Jar should do like he did in "Episode II" play a pivotal role in the destruction of the Republic. Maybe we can see more of Palpatine corrupting him to make him carry out orders and since Jar-Jar has the intelligence of a 8 year-old he'll do it, or maybe we'll see him and a bunch of Jedi or whoever selling out but not knowing it all along.
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Yes, things that happen in the movies defy laws of physics and other basic elements that make our live's possible. But isn't that what these movies are about. To make our time fun with them. Not to see them and go every detail frame by frame to spot those NOT-POSSIBLE stuff.
Sure GL isn't the best director around...at least anymore for these movies. But he's what we got and he's the one making these movies. The main thing i'm trying to say with my bad english is that we should all try to watch these movies from the view of a child in best way we can. See the miracle of movie making as it happens on the screen. You all know that the story isnt going to be something that he's going to get an oscar for and neither is the directing or acting. What these movies have are the effects, sounds, worlds, spaceships, neat looking aliens and usually some bad ass villains stomping on for poor souls that try to be heroes..yes, and Natalie & Leia.
If you cant do that, to get in the mind in which you where when you saw Empire Strikes Back, you can bitch all you like but its just going to make your day worse. Still a great site Harry. -
really cool and interesting opinions about why revenge of the sith should be the title to episode III, actually makes a lot of sense and references the original classic trilogy...go to www.inlandempirestrikesback.net and access their star wars page and the editorials...
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All we really need to see is the genesis of and the resolution to the Clone Wars. If Episode III were to take place in the middle of the Clone Wars with no end in sight, it would be rather boring. I'm sure we can guess that during the Clone Wars there was horrific fighting, mass death, and utter chaos throughout the galaxy. The fanboys always complain that there isn't enough emphasis on character in the new Trilogy (as if the original trilogy focused more on character than the new one, which is rather absurd), so if III were to take place in the middle of the Clone Wars all we would see is non-stop combat. I'm more interested in how the Clone Wars resolve and the formation of the Galactic Empire than a series of battles. However, we can all expect to see the final, massive battle of the Clone Wars that solidifies Palpatine's power and pounds the final nail in the coffin of the Jedi Order. That to me is far more interesting than the actual war itself. Lucas understands that the fans want to see the entire Clone Wars brought to reality, which is why he's trying to get an animated Clone Wars series off the ground (which sounds very intriguing). In the original trilogy we didn't see a series of battles during the war with the Empire, but rather, decisive battles that were key to the overall outcome of the war. For example, the Battle of Hoth severely injured the Rebel Alliance and damn near killed our heroes. And in Jedi we witnessed the final battle as the Rebels attacked and successfully destroyed the second Death Star. We also saw the redemption of Anakin Skywalker as he turned on his former master. Therefore it makes sense to show the ending of the Clone Wars in Episode III to set up the original trilogy. If Lucas were to include dozens of battles of the Clone Wars in III, the film would be 10 hours long and the critics and fanboys would hate Star Wars even more than they already do. Episode III, if done properely and well acted, could perhaps be the greatest of the Star Wars films. It certainly has potentially the best and darkest story of the entire series. Can't wait for May 2005. As an aside...I really wish we could have the original trilogy on DVD BEFORE 2005. Sorry, didn't want to beat a dead horse, but I'm anxious to watch them on my widescreen TV in glorious DTS sound.
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I wish Lucas would do everyone a favor and hang it up. These last 2 movies have tainted a great franchise and like Michael Jordan coming out of retirement -something that was once great is stumbling in mediocrity. His overuse of CGI is absolutely rediculous and makes me grateful that the technology was limited in the 70's and 80's or we would probably of had a CGI Chewbaca. It just overwhelms the story and the characters and makes otherwise great actors stumble through their performances. He's more bent on revolutionizing the art of filmaking (which he is failing) rather than putting out a good product. F him and F all you blind lucas shit eating loyalists.
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Sequels would be better, for all of the reasons he's listed. Also, I'm one of those conservative fuddy-duddies who believe in telling the story in CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. But hey. . .that's just me. Situation is very *easily* recified though, Lucas. . .comeon, you know what I'm talking about! EPISODES 7, 8 AND 9! Come one, give it to us George! You don't even have to direct--just scriptiment out the major story direction and let others write the actual script and direct! Y'all can just sit back and let the fat sacks of cash money roll in! Oh how it would rock to see your homie Steven Spielberg or M. Night Shyamalan or THE COEN BROTHERS (YES!!!) or muthafuckin' Quentin Tarantino (HELL YES!!!!!) telling the tale of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and how the New Republic gathered itself to deliver the maximum smackdown! Pleeeeeeeeeease???? I swear I'll see every Episode on opening night even if it's 15 bucks a pop and buy ALL the DVDS!! Feed my Star Wars addiction, or great Jedi Pimpmaster Lucas!! Toppu o Nerae!
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Hey, bitchpie! I was old enough to have my butt glued to the seat in '78, so you know what? The Prequels lick the shit from my asshole, you pig fucker.
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That's your opinion moron but If you can't accept the fact that people do like Lucas's films(numbers ain't lying) then take your movie-militant, elitist, holier-than-thou, attitude and choke on something under your mothers pillow......you pig head.
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I hate you.
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What the hell does that mean?
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to a dildo
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I think everyone needs to calm down a spell. I am getting a little tired of hearing all of this whining and violence from the fanboys. Because if I have to hear any more of this, I WILL PULL THIS TALKBACK OVER RIGHT NOW!!!! AND I WILL SPANK YOUR BARE BOTTOM IN FRONT OF ALL THE OTHER FANBOYS! AND THE FIRST ONE TO GIGGLE WILL GET A FIST SANDWICH! WANT TO TRY ME? C-MON!!!!! I WILL GOUGE OUT YOUR EYES AND SKULL FUCK YOU!!!! I WILL RIP OUT YOUR PANCREAS THROUGH YOU PENIS BOY! I'M GONING TO SLAP YOUR DADDY, ASS FUCK YOUR MAMA, AND SPIT IN YOUR LITTLE SISTERS FACE!!!!! YOU WANNA TRY ME? YOU WANT ME TO PUT YOU BACK IN YOUR PLACE YOU WEASEL-DICK MOTHERFUCKERS??????? BWAAAAAAAA!
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Well guess that shows my age...I was 28 when that magazine came out...Yep, that was a very good year for me! Was in Hollywood visiting the set of and working in ST-The Motion Picture...and although that was the highlight of the year for me (Well DUH!), I was a subscriber to the magazine and still remember the article (and have the magazine stashed away in my collection somewhere)...THAT IS COOL that they are, indeed, going to go the "Madam Pelee" route! NEAT!
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http://www.stilemedia.com/?v=shlop5.mpg
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I hate you
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Jan 25, 2003 7:55:51 PM CST
Barry Woodward aka Mutant Enemy aka bwstarwars aka bwbuffy aka H
by regicidal_maniac
When you look in the mirror, tell me, do you see a GIANT 'L' emblazoned in the centre of your forehead? 'Cause it's there buddy.
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You suck
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Jan 25, 2003 8:01:47 PM CST
Why add so much new scenes to the "Special, Special Editons"?
by screenplaywriter
Come on man, the Rancor, the slug monster, the battles, the Taun Tauns, etc. were fine as puppets. If I was George I'd redo the Han Solo and Jabba scene one last time (make Jabba look like he looks like). Also, the only thing that would need to be added to the "Ultimate Edition" is a scene of Naboo, Jar Jar as the new Boss Nass role, and just footage of all the different beings and planets celebrating that the war is over. If you kept going back and forth adding scenes that didn't need to be inserted into the movie in the first place and then did it (it would look dumb and tiring and even fans, or non-fans would find it dull and boring). So just take my advice and do the the Naboo scene, the other scenes this guy was talking about would just make the movie too long.
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You ass
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Everyone hates you
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Go to hell
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Here are the possibilities:
1. Cut in half.
2. Force pushed off a building/cliff/whatever.
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I cant tell if your rap is a joke or not, but either way it is fucking sad to think of how many hours you spent writing it. and also, how the hell are people comparing the star wars franchise to the matrix?? am I wrong or is there currently only one matrix film, which was good but nothing out of the ordinary. lets at least wait until the new ones come out before we start jizzing ourselves over their complete awesomeness. otherwise we'd be like harry and the little chubby he gets whenever kill bill is mentioned. god I cant wait for that review
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Jan 25, 2003 9:13:47 PM CST
Barry Woodward you are without a doubt THE biggest Star Wars gee
by regicidal_maniac
When Luc-arse decided that Jedi should be boring virgins you rejoiced in the the knowledge that despite being too old to begin the training you still had a shot because you met the criteria for consideration. YOU ARE A FUCKING LOSER. A LLOOOSSSSEEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!! Give it up. When I was a kid and Empire was still a few years away we'd run around the playground making believe that we were in Star Wars (I was always Darth Vader). As I grew older my appreciation for the original trilogy grew but I no longer ran around the playground making lightsaber noises. The Star Wars trilogy was a product of its time spawning out of the New Hollywood of the 1970s film school graduates. The films were a phenomenon because they entertained old and young they were an updating of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials, they were James Bond in outer space, they were Joseph Campbell's The Hero's Journey in space opera drag. They are good fun films and will always live in the memories of 70s kids as an important part of our youth but it's over now. My point is when you grow up you put away childish things, a process that has been helped along for kids of the seventies by the fact that the flanneled goiter has managed to FUCK UP what could have been great. Star Wars is dead and you know it. Get a life. Become a writer Barry (if that's what you want to do), channel your efforts in another direction because it's getting sad and I hate feeling sorry for people who won't help themselves.
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I wasn't referring to you when I talked about the matrix, just earlier posts in the thread.
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Jan 25, 2003 9:19:34 PM CST
Episode III: Revenge of the Sith starring Gary Oldman as Tarkin
by voice o. reason
Hey, I can dream, can't I?
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Go over to www.inlandempirestrikesback.net they have a great article of why it should be called Revenge of the Sith.Its on their Star Wars section.It really does make sense.
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Jan 25, 2003 9:36:03 PM CST
response to how Dooku should die, other things, rhyming but not
by hktelemacher
Anakin needs to cut off one arm (to rhyme, like when Luke took off Vader's hand at the end of Jedi) then out-badass him by taking the other arm and then the head. As for inserting new things into the old trilogy - Jar Jar should die in the prequel trilogy, it's only logical. How can a character like him be allowed to exist in the post-takeover galaxy? I always sort of excused Jar-Jar's presence as a great indication of the kind of universe Lucas has opened the prequel trilogy with - it's still innocent enough to allow a character like Jar-Jar to exist in it. The prequel trilogy is definitely about that loss of innocence that all of the main characters go through by getting tossed into the world of politics and war at such young ages, just as the OT is about jaded characters seeking to reestablish a more innocent and regal time. In the end, both generations can never go back. Padme has already lost her childhood when we first meet her in TPM, Obi-Wan has to see his father figure die and then avenge his death, Anakin's deal with his mother in AOTC is a big one - but Jar-Jar never really matures, and unlike the other characters cannot survive through Episode III because of that. Plus, Naboo will become Dagobah, so shots of Jar-Jar on Naboo celebrating at the end of a ROTJ version 3.0 wouldn't work. Jar-Jar needn't be violently murdered, because despite fans hating him so much, any death someone as naive and oblivious as Jar-Jar suffers will be a difficult thing, if played correctly - like killing a child. Speaking of which, I'm wondering how Lucas will handle the killing of the young Jedi padawans. Anakin/Vader doing that would pretty much solidify his transition. Something else about the parallels between father and son strikes me when I think things over. Thinking of the lineage of masters and apprentices - from Yoda to Dooku to Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan to Anakin - Sideous inserting himself creates an entire line of father figures to Anakin. He starts out a fatherless child, and ends up with five (three big ones) father figures, but it is the women in his life that are his undoing. Anakin has mommy issues while Luke has daddy issues. Shmi and Padme are the people that send Anakin over the edge to become Vader, and it's when Vader threatens Leia that Luke basically finishes him off. Every male influence in Anakin's life is conflicting - but none of them are emotionally involved with him, even if he is with them. It's these women, who nurture him, that he clings to and kills for, even if he has to kill his male influences. Yoda is like the grandfather, Qui-Gon is the dead father that he's trying to live up to, Obi-Wan is the adoptive uncle who raises him and Palpatine is the creepy old man who's going to corrupt and use him him. Dooku doesn't really fit in, except as a model of what he can become, and who he has to get rid of to get next to Palpatine. It's interesting that Luke had similar figures - the absent father, Uncle Owen, and Obi-Wan - the old man who's going to change his life. It's these figures, trying to succeed with Luke where they failed with Anakin, who push him and ultimately do succeed. The fact that they both lose a limb is just a second coat of wax. It's really pretty well put together, and I think Lucas' life's work is a lot more deep and organized than it appears when blinded by the superficial shine of his visuals.
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I might come into disagreement with a lot of people but I thought Phantom Menace was far better than Attack of the Clones. I saw Phantom Menace three times, each time feeling the same excitement the same chills( darth maul appearing as the door opens and the music swells). The first time I saw Attack of the Clones, I saw it on film not digital and to me, it was the worst looking movie I had ever seen. Movies shot on film should be shown on film, movies shot on digital should be screened in digital. It looked like an early full motion computer game with worse acting(if possible). Why Lucas would want people to experience the movie in such and absolutely shitty way when he knows that the majority of movies will be screened in film is amazing to me. He just cares about pushing his legacy as the pioneer of digital. The performances in Attack of the Clones are not good. The reason: so much of performance depends on setting, the actors interaction with the environment around them. Here, the actors are coming to the same place every day, standing in front of a green screen imagining a different circumstance. I don't think Christensen is that bad, we know he can act from Life as a House, but the dialogue is so hokey, so contrived that any actor would have a hard time making it his own especially in a giant green bubble.
I saw Attack of the Clones a second time, this time on digital. And it was awe inspiring, jaw droppingly beautiful. The detail in the CG was shocking and I understood why they shot in digital: they are creating a painting where performance and story and pacing isnt important. The Phantom Menace, say what you will, had a beautiful stucture and pace that drew me in tremendously. But the pacing of Attack, the chopiness of its editing is so amateurish( sure he can change the length and direction of the shot with technology but he can't reverse the effects of age and how it has effected his mindset in judging what is good and what is bad). Lucas brags about how wonderful digital is cause they can review it right afterwards and shoot again right away, well what the fuck happened, didnt they see how ridiculous it was...
Anyway, this is disorganized and rambling... I'm not looking forward to the next movie, I'll see it, in the hopes that it may have balls, but im not holding my breath. I do think those who have a problem with what they are focusing on were expecting something entirely different. This isn't the story of Anakin. This is the story of how the empire was formed; what steps the emperor took to ensure that he would gain the power and how a jedi named anakin helped him attain it(maybe). I wished he shot the movies on film. Film has more of an intimacy to it, a consistency with the first four films and just a more obvious beauty to the image rather than the paint.
ALSO, Can we start calling these videos instead of film? Cause it aint film and hopefully by calling them videos we can slow this shitty movement down and start seeing some art again.
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Jan 25, 2003 11:59:37 PM CST
Fanboy Douchebag: Lucas can do anything he sets his mind to, man
by noriko takaya
"You better lose yourself in the music, the moment/You own it, you better never let it go/You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow/This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo!" Uh--not sure exactly what this has to do with what we discussin' but I be bumpin' da Eminem right now and da shit works, dawg! And I think Tarantino in the director's seat onna Star Wars would be off da hizzy. Kill Bill's gonna kick ass just like Pulp Fiction an' Jackie Brown. Don't hate da playa, hate the game. Peace, an' Aim fo' da Top, yo!
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Lucas, if you reading this and y'all decides to roll wif da Episodes 7, 8, and 9 like I said--CAST EMINEM AS LUKE'S SON! Dat shiznit would TRULY TEAR THE ROOF OFF DA SUCKA!! Hey, he PROVED he can act in 8 Mile, didn't he?? Awright, I'm out. PEACE!
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yea, i wish some talented filmaker would make a science fiction space movie the old fashion way, with models instead of cgi. i still love to watch ALIEN, SUPERMAN-THE MOVIE. CE3K and the first two STAR WARS. but this cgi stuff is way over the top.
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dont know why lucas even bother to come back for another round of *ss kicking by the real master of this universe, peter jackson. it's a lost cause, star wars suck & there is no one to blame but lucas himself. LOTR have us thrills & first class storytelling but the Episode series gave us nothing but retarded sh*t like kiddie pod racing & jar jar binks.
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I can't believe how terribly disenchanted I've become about Star Wars. I will go and see the next movie because there's nothing like seeing the opening credits on the big screen - but beyond that these 3 prequels are going down not as terrible movies, but as terrible disappointments that only occasionally showed what kind of massive potential they had.
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i dont know if you guys have heard about the ILM presentation that is going to be held in Hollywood in Feb.The www.inlandempirestrikesback.net website has the entire program on their site and also Bruce Campbell Bubba Ho Tep info.
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I can't be reading your post correctly--I could have sworn that somebody finally registered an intelligent, insightful, and original post about STAR WARS. In case my eyes aren't just playing tricks, thank you.
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Jan 26, 2003 8:33:38 AM CST
Vader's origin was revealed in the novelizations, you ninnys. T
by mecandes
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Jan 26, 2003 8:44:23 AM CST
"Vader's origin was revealed in the novelizations, you ninnys. T
by dr_zoidberg
Is that so. Then Owen Lars being Obi Wan's brother, which was also revealed in the ROTJ novel, is old news. OH WAIT, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE BULLSHIT. The books mean SHIT. Only the films are cannon.
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Stop PIMPING for that web site. Thats not doing YOU or THEM any good, although I feel that you are part of that web site. EPISODE 3 WILL KICK MUCH ASS.
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NOw, if I remember my canon history correct, wasn't Han Solo enroled in the "Imperial Academy"?
He has dark hair, is rebellious, independent and knows every trick in the book, so much so that the clone of the Universe's greatest Bounty Hunter only gets him when he has been captured by the world's most powerful Dark Jedi....
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Jan 26, 2003 9:56:31 AM CST
Romanweb - you probably have a picture of Lucas's scrotum under
by retrace
You went to see the TPM 20 times and got more of the same crap again because of it. These movies are hardly successful unless you're looking at Lucas's pocketbook. Box office success is debatable...and the critics and most of the fans have been underwhelmed. The interest in these movies will be almost non existant by the time III comes out. It seems that most people that saw the OT in the theaters are somewhat disappointed in the last 2 movies - while people in their teens (like I'm sure you are) are happy with all the pretty colors on the screen and don't care if the story and acting are good. Although I can't blame you for loving something so bland and anept - you inherited from your father - seeing how he married your mom after knowing she slept with half the black population in your town.
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Jan 26, 2003 10:07:11 AM CST
Yeah, but hktelemacher you know Lucas won't let Anakin go "GLADI
by screenplaywriter
Lucas likes to dismember his characters, but I'm tired of the whole arms and heads being chopped off, the part where Maul was cut into was different and cool, I want to see Anakin kill Dooku with red lightning. Red lightning has never been shown in the movies, but has been in the video games and books. I think it would be cool to see making Anakin a bigger bad-ass than Sidious himself. Then, you could show Sidious looking scared that this young adolescent is actually more stronger and more powerful than he could possibly imagined.
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nice to read something insightful.
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The plain, simple truth is....I just don't care about Star Wars anymore. My interest level has gone from an all-time high pre-Phantom Menace, to almost total apathy in non-anticipation of Ep. III. I gave TPM & AOTC a fair chance at the theater and on DVD, and I simply didn't enjoy them. They're not good movies. And I haven't seen or heard anything to make me believe that Ep. III will be of any better quality. I'm sure that come May 2005 I'll go and see Ep. III, but I'll see it one time, at the matinee. That's all Lucas will get from me - one $5.50 matinee ticket. No toys, no action figures, no merchandising of any kind. Just one $5.50 matinee ticket. And then I'm going to finally put Star Wars away and move on with the rest of my life. We will have been arguing and bickering and slinging insults for 7 years when Ep. III finally comes out - that's long enough. Star Wars will always hold a special place in my heart, because I grew up with it, being a part of the original Star Wars generation. But it's gonna stay where it belongs - a cherished piece of my childhood. I will choose to overlook these three sub-par prequels, the same way I choose to ignore the existence of Alien 3 & Alien Resurrection, Superman 3 & 4. Thanks.
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Do you personally know the critics and "most" of the fans??
Who do the fuck do you represent other than the coalition of the KKK. Who the fuck made your arrogant ass massa? All you can do is call it like you see it,your own hateful perception, and if it's anyone here who is a pimple-faced teenager who's trying to fit in with the "it's sheek to bash Lucas" crowd, it's you. Like I said if you can't handle the fact that "yes" people do enjoy Lucas' films without having to make aplogies or explanations as to why,especially to an inept wonder like yourself, then you need to have a Coke and smile, shut the fuck up, and go your merry miserable way.
Now go and get some!
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I asked the Star jock from our college campus to throw the first stone for he is without any geekiness, here ya go Biff.
"ihgsdvohjogrgssss"You poor inbred rick bastard i din't actually mean throw a rock at the keyboard, oh well barry sucks im out!oh wait htkitty or what ever your name is, I am very proud of your ideas twoard the innocents and parental issues in the trilogy's I never really thought about that but it is really insightfull thanks for the enlightenment or whatnot.Barry is a dorklet laters. -
that rock hit my head that is why i spell pretty.Inbred rich bastard,didn't and many other corrections needed my apologieeze
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(1) Only Stormtroopers are clones, not members of the Imperial Starfleet (guys who went to the academy). (2) He looks nothing like Jango Fett.
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Third twin? Star Wars Fans are dim-witted? Didn't you mean that they would then be triplets, not twins.... Fucking twat.
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I thought hate speech would get you banned? Oh that's right I forgot, this is AICN which doesn't even enforce it's own rules. Eat a dick, retrace.
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Get off the computer, and ask his cousin Becky-Lee, in next door's trailer,for a little something-something to keep his narrow minded views elswhere.
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I actually burst out laughing seeing neofromthematrix's post, because it's so true. We've been hearing this lava rumour for so long, and we've all kind of assumed that Anakin falls into lava and then gets the darth vader suit to keep him alive, but when you really think about it, it's ridiculous. There's no way he could possibly survive a fall into lava. No suit is going to be able to keep him alive because he'd be completely incinerated. Maybe if he got badly burned in fire or something the life support suit could keep him alive, but if he falls directly into a pit of lava as the rumours suggest, he's completely screwed. You cant say that he got parts of his body replaced with machine because there wouldnt be any parts of body left.
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Just trying to count all the stuff GL has to explain to tie Ep II to ANH - - he's got to explain why we don't ever hear of Naboo ever again, why Qui Gon didn't disappear (even though Obi-Wan and Yoda do), he's got to explain why C-3PO doesn't recognize the house he spent TEN FREAKIN YEARS LIVING IN. He's also got to explain how Yoda wound up on Dagobah, or why Obi-Wan even knows that Yoda's on Dagobah. Oh, and he's got to explain why Darth Vader didn't track down Obi-Wan in the first place on Tattooine and kill him because he's a JEDI, right? I mean, isn't Vader HUNTING DOWN AND KILLING ALL THE JEDI? He also hasn't explained why the Imperial fleet is composed of humans ONLY. And how C-3PO lost the ability to stay powered-up when his head gets chopped off in Ep II. He also has to explain how Vader doesn't know Princess Leia's background, considering that he would have known that Bail Antilles either adopted Leia and somehow took in Amadala - - oh and did Darth forget to find out where A PREGNANT AMIDALA toodled off to? Wouldn't midichlorian-enriched offspring be somewhat IMPORTANT to this Sith lord? Maybe Lucas will just have a one-hour title crawl, tidying up all the heinous loose ends. Or maybe he's decided none of it should make any sense.
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by "black" I was implying the woman (Romanweb's mom) likes big dicks - you obviously took it to mean a lower class of people - then YOU, not I, are the racist. Anyway Romanweb, arguing with you would be like trying to convince a child Kangaroo Jack sucks. So to each his own. Peace.
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Sterotyping is sterotyping, numbnuts. Ah but I'm arguing with a 5 year old, why waste the time. And in a Star Wars Talkback, yet! What the fuck is it about SW that brings out all the hate, bile and bitterness?! Yes, Episode 1 sucked. Get over it; Episode 2 was GREAT! If Ep. 2 had been released in 1999 instead of the 2 hour toy commercial we actually got people would be hailing Lucas as some kind of film god. Instead we get all this stupid bitterness and hatred among the fanboy losers that has carried over to the other films--there are now people trashing even the 1st Trilogy! So Lucas made a mistake with Phantom Menace, like I said, get fucking over it. Attack of the Clones was fantastic--not as good as The Two Towers but still a match for Empire--and Episode 3 will be even better. Let it go.
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It might appear great compared to Episode I - but it pales compared to IV or V. Eventhough the saber battle with Maul and OB1 and darkman is probably the single coolest things ever put on screen - it failed to bring that movie out of the dumpster. I will no doubt go see the next one but Lucas should step aside and let someone with some passion direct it. Maybe since he and Jackson are budy-budy now he will get a few pointers. OH - and I apologize to all the black people who have big dicks and hate being stereotyped for it.
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Jan 26, 2003 5:15:13 PM CST
Mutant Enemy, you are a dumbass. There's no dragons in "STAR WAR
by screenplaywriter
Except for the krayt dragon, but that's another story. Why would Lucas put in a dragon into the mix it would be dumb and the fight of Obi and Anakin would look like something fans hoped for, but never got to witness cuz Lucas added a dragon in there. Dumb idea Mutant.
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New here. Damn, talk about general hatred. I think that most of this is due to the fact that many don
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Darth, the Empire is human only due to its extremely xenophobic policies. It enslaves or wipes out all non-human races. Just FYI. ** Finn, I tried to read your point, it seemed like you might have an interesting point, but your post was too long and too boring. Tighten up, pal.
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'Obi Wan Kenobi? Ob Wan. OB WAN. I haven't gone by that name since oh, before you were born.' Well in that case, some one better call him Ben in the third chapter, cause other wise, your'e gonna find a (minor) continuity problem here. Or maybe thats his Jedi name? Who knows, who cares, these films aint never gonna work back to back anyways, no matter what tricks greedy George pulls out of his ILM back pack, it's just kind of funny that the more his career progresses, the more money he makes, the more his fans detest him. If you remember, at one time (before the special editions of the originals came out) George Lucas was god in many Star Wars fans universe. He was rich (enough) and his fans were happier and more contempt back then of having what many of us refer to as 'the holy trilogy' in IMAGINING what went on in the years of Anakins' turn to the dark side (in fact, when I was old enough to realise that the story had a history that went on before Luke Skywalker I kinda thought that was the point). I gather how most of us imagined any of this probably pisses on George's actual visual depiction of Anakin's years, the Clone Wars etc.
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The Prequels are an abomination of cinema. Horrible, horrible shit. I can't believe that there are people out there who are so stupid that they can not recognize this fact. Horrible, horrible shit. The only reason some people (read: retards) won't admit to how bad these films are is because Lucas's name is attached. You all have my pity. Fuck you.
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Jan 26, 2003 8:11:05 PM CST
Dude, who cares anymore this movie is 2 years away. I'm more psy
by screenplaywriter
Did you see those trailers? MY GOD! Neo is going to make the Jedis look like shit and George knows it (he'll probably have to do a bazillion rewrites just to make the action and fight scenes more in-your-face). MY GOD! CAN'T WAIT FOR HULK, MATRIX 2 & 3, DAREDEVIL, X2, LOTR3, and whatever else is left!
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"FALL OF THE JEDI"
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"FALL OF THE JEDI"
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I think the jedi traitor has to be anakin skywalker. think about it, he's been recieving guidence from palpatine and this would make a nice first step towards the dark side. oh, and supershadow is a fucking idiot.
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the main reason the prequels are shit is because the straight forward "good guys vs bad guys" plot formula of the first trilogy had been replaced with all this BORING political bullshit. Lucas claims these movies are for kids....do any kids give a fuck about a trade blockade? i think lucas has gotten his formula the wrong way around. the adult themes portrayed in a badly acted, badly scripted, childish way, should have been simple themes, strong characters, portrayed in an intelligent way.
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Some have mentioned Episodes 1 & 2 should be combined. Here's how to do this, w/ the added bonus of eliminating the pod race. When Qui Gon tries to use the Force on Watto to get the hyperdrive and it doesn't work, what would the next logical course of action be? Bet the future of the entire Republic on a kid they just met? No. Before Watto can say, "Don't getta me wrongo," Qui Gon whips out his lightsaber and slits his throat like a pig.
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Kid's movie's are usually more entertaining than trying to watch the prequels. Episode One was like sitting there about to watch Star Wars when some one comes in and flicks it over to amateur theatre home movies then CSPAN then over to FOX Sports then to Cartoon Network then some channel when there was a Nintendo game ad was on and back to CSPAN. Headachey. At no time did I see the Akira Korosawa/Joseph Campbell/Buck Rogers influence that inspired the saga in the first place. Gone were the great characters and snappy dialogue. I didn't bother with Episode Two until someone gave me a download of it. I'm even less interested in Episode Three as a result. Isn't that a shame? The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy is CRYING out for a remake some day.
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If you don't like the movies, don't watch the fucking movies. Go watch your gay wizards and prancing elves. But don't try to find plot holes or inconsistencies in the story because they aren't there.
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...if either knew of the other's existence, their feelings might betray them.
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Jan 27, 2003 2:59:42 AM CST
"But don't try to find plot holes or inconsistencies in the stor
by hoof hearted
Maybe thats because the plot was written by a team of lobotomized monkeys.
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Jan 27, 2003 6:49:14 AM CST
"If you don't like the movies, don't watch the fucking movies."
by regicidal_maniac
******SeaBass:"If you don't like the movies, don't watch the fucking movies. Go watch your gay wizards and prancing elves. But don't try to find plot holes or inconsistencies in the story because they aren't there."****** Oh SeaBass you soft headed fool, we wanted to like the movies but unfortunately for anyone who's head is not filled with mashed peas it is blatently obvious that the Star Wars Prequel movies suck and suck hard. This is not entirely because we have grown up and are looking at kids films with adult eyes it is more to do with the fact that George Lucas has forgotten, or to be deliberately fair chosen to ignore everything he learned at film school. He's not even remotely interested in making good films with compelling stories and interesting characters he has action figures to sell. And for the record the first Lord Of The Rings movie bored the shit out of me and I haven't seen the second one, I can see how people might like it but it did nothing for me, and I also had no desire to see any of the Harry Potter films. So you see it's not just people who like LOTR that hate the Prequel films it's people who miss Gary Kurtz and the old George Lucas.
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Jan 27, 2003 6:51:01 AM CST
Great, thanks to the screwed up nature of AICN talkbacks I have
by regicidal_maniac
Thanks again AICN.
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I just want to see Vader laying the smack down on all the other weak Jedi. Is that too much to ask for? Really whats the point of being a badass member of the Sith and bringing 'balance' to the force if you dont kill a couple dozen jedi on your own?
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Space Balls was the best movie that came out of the whole Star Wars Series.
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I know you can't judge a film that hasn't been made yet, but if the trend continues, this one will blow ass.
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Vader is Luke's daddy and Leia is Luke's sister.
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Jan 27, 2003 11:37:17 AM CST
Just thought of something last night on if they did insert Han i
by screenplaywriter
What if old Dexter Jettster was Han's old flight mentor? Like what if Dex was a good old buddy of Lando's dad and then you could show teenaged versions of Han, Lando, and Greedo and Bossk as shipmates, but then over time they somehow grow away and become enemies, or rivals. It would be cool to see. And Dexter could be the old owner of the Falcon who passes it off to Lando's dad, until Han gets it it later.
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Jan 27, 2003 12:28:41 PM CST
"models instead of cgi" I hate to defend George, BUT...
by minderbinder
He DOES still use plenty of models in his movies. And so does PJ. Models aren't dead.
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Once seduced by the dark side Anakin should kill Mace to fully establish that he has passed that point where Padme can no longer love him.He still loves Padme but she wont have anything to do with him and flees while pregnant, adding more bitterness to Vaders character.I would suggest that Anakin only knew that Padme was pregnant because it would fit in with ROTJ when he uses the force to find out about Leia from Luke and threatens to turn her to the dark side instead(The bit before Luke goes Apeshit).
Do you guys think they will kill off Padme? Leia can remember her mother as always being sad but it could be Bail Organas wife(Adopted Mother?)It would certainly complete Anakins character ark.It would be even better if he blamed obi-one. just ideas but I dont think we should expect any Usual Suspects type twists,sorry if its all a bit obvious. -
Cut down on Hayden's salary -- slash him down early and just replace him with an cgi darth -- make my day.
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Well said hktelemacher! Its nice to hear from someone who understands story structure, unlike most of the trolls here.
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Hoof Hearted and all the other jealous and bitter trolls. How many movies have you created and directed? George Lucas has been creating classic cinematic masterpieces before and after you were shitting your diapers. You have no credibility to proclaim that the Prequels are shit.
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if we're honest to ourselves, and I am a long-time fanboy of the original three (yes, even jedi)... but nothing can stem the horrific downward spiral that is george's commercial thirst. He will again try to be all things to all men, and bilge out a garish CGI nightmare with a shite script and half-assed plot repair and back-pedalling to the original films. Watch something good instead.. dont give them your money it only makes them worse...
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I am a professional writer and actor. I have studied both and film making and now in my third decade I have begun to produce films. So please don't be so arrogant as to talk about a supposed lack of credibility ruling out the ability to criticise these films. Despite my qualifications I don't need to be a structural engineer to tell you that if a bridge doesn't meet in the middle it's a bad bridge and poorly made. The Prequels suck, they are hastily written, disappointingly filmed, acted and edited toy commercials but hey so are most movies these days right? I mean what do we want from films? Is it too much to ask that they be intelligent entertainment? Or even just mild entertainment. That would be the very least I'd have hoped for.
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After your brilliant review of EpII I'm wondering if Lucas' people have contacted you yet to sign a new review contract... Can't wait to see the shit you roll out on the 3rd crappy installment. Guess whats his face over at Paramount, Branaham is it, what ever that num nuts at Star Trek did'nt pay you off enough to give it a good review. That movie was a 10/10 compared to the last 2 Star Wars.... YOU ARE A LAME AS PIECE OF SOLD OUT CRAP HARRY..Keep up the ass kissing, maybe you'll get some prototype toys from Lucas this time in the package.
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Jan 28, 2003 1:14:43 PM CST
!Fan Boys who always attack Lucas about the prequels are just ne
by numberface
Fan Boys who always attack Lucas about the prequels are just nervous because they know that Episode III is coming. DAMN RIGHT WE ARE! BECAUSE A FILM THAT IS BOUND TO SUCK SO HARD WILL LIKE SUCK OUR EYEBALLS OUT OF OUR HEADS. I NEVER THOUGHT I'D WRITE THE FOLLOWING WORDS BUT... star wars sux
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I firmly believe that episodes 1 and 2 represent one of the most profound drops in quality of a series ever. But like alot of other people, I still love episodes 4 and 5. I think I keep track of these posts and these flicks in the quickly fading hope that somehow episode 3 will redeem this series. In reality, I'm expecting that when Gollum falls into the fire with the ring, the shadowing face of Lucas will rise up, look to the west, and fade into nothingness.
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first of all, amidala being naive doesnt account for how unlikely (and crappy) the relationship was. The problem with the relationship was that lucas had to create a chemistry between two characters that the audience knew would end up together...keeping the element of suprise in a plot line like that would be difficult for a talented writer. fucking impossible for lucas. secondly, i wouldnt call anakin a "deranged lunatic"...he's just supposed to be reacting naturally, like u or i would, even though he is forbidden to go ape shit. and i doubt hayden christensen is talented enough to pull off "deranged lunatic"...he cant even fake a nightmare in a believable way. it looked like he was having a fucking wet dream.
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This article was found at www.inlandempiresrtikesback.net
The name of the next installment of the Star Wars saga is "Star Wars Episode III- The Revenge of the Sith." Now some of you are probably thinking, "Stonewall, you are in violation of the restraing order, I am calling the police!" Now put the phone down. This is not the real title. But by putting two and two together, and digging deep into the mind of George Lucas, I have developed a theory on what Episode III will be named. George Lucas has said that the Star Wars movies are directed like silent movies. He uses the John Williams score to tell the stories instead of using the "talking head" format. There are also recurring themes in the movies like we hear in music. A great example is when Anakin's Naboo fighter destroys the Trade Federations starship. Kind of remains you of when Luke destroys the
Death Star. Also when Count Dooku tells Obi-Wan to join him and together they will destroy the Sith. Kind of sounds like Darth asking Luke to join him to rule the galaxy as father and son. Well, let's look at the titles.
Episode I-The Phantom Menace
Episode IV- A New Hope
Both these movies have some thing in common . They both are the first movies in their respective trilogies. They both introduce charactors and they end with no definite ending. So since they are the beginning. Their names are not giving us to much of the plot. Kind of keeping us in the dark.
Now the other two movies:
Episode II- Attack of the Clones
Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back
Both these titles pay homage to the old Flash Gordon serials that George are up with. Kind of a Saturday afternoon movie marquee. (which Star Wars was intended to be) These movies so far have been the most intense , they give us a lot more information and move the story along to set up the "final acts" of each trilogy.
That leaves the final two movies:
Episode III-THE REVENGE OF THE SITH
Episode IV- Return of the Jedi
Unlike the other movies, these two are going to be in sharp contrast to each other. Jedi ends on an up note. Good triumphs over evil, Vader is redeemed, and the galaxy is now free to go to Toshii Station and pick up power converters. Episode III on the other hand is going to be the most tragic of all the Star Wars films. So the title should reflect that all is lost. The Republic, the Jedis, Anakin, life as we know it. Now that I have bored everyone to sleep. Here are the reasons for why I think the title of the next movie will be "THE REVENGE OF THE SITH" First of all in Episode I, Darth Maul tells Darth Sidious that" finally we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi, finally we will have revenge." this sets up pretty much the theme of the prequels. Also for those of you old enough to remember, the original title of the ROTJ was Revenge of the Jedi, Lucas
changed it at the last minute because he felt revenge was not a Jedi trait. Revenge is however, a Sith trait. All in all, most of you by now are probably thinking that I am having delusions of grandeur, and that I am fool of Bantha poodoo. Which is true. We all now that the name of the next movie is going to be:
STAR WARS EPISODE III- JAR JAR VS THE EWOKS
May the Force be with you, Stonewall
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I'll see the movie and buy the DVD, but if Vader appears (which it looks like he will) and the twins are born (again, almost a given) then Lucas will have raped the childhood of all future fans. Yes - I know fanboys world wide are drooling over the prospect of seeing Anakin become Darth, but at the same time they are forgetting the coolest movie going moment they ever had as a kid watching the OT on the big screen: "No - I *am* your father." The second Ani becomes Darth, that moment will be jizzed on and buried forever. When the fanboys show their own kids the movies they loved, instead of a "Holy shit!" at that moment, Junior will say to the screen "Jesus, Skywalker - get a clue." When Yoda says "There is another", Junior will reply with "No shit, Sherlock". In fact, once Anakin becomes Vader and we meet the twins, you can write off most of ESB as a two hour statement of the obvious. Luke and Leia until RotJ? How many incest jokes can you make up between now and the release of the DVDs? The big surprises will be gone and the OT be reduced to nothing more than a continuation of the I - III, interesting effects but weak story. Relish in the moment when you first hear James Earl Jone's voice, but be aware that a lot of the magic that was the OT will be laid to waste at the moment. Can we have our cake and eat it too? Possibly, if Anakin appears to be deader than dead and via some plot device Vader is introduced as the mysterious new Sith apprentice, and if Bail Organa offers Padme sanctuary before anyone even knows she is pregnant. But - we all know better. Lucas will pander to the unthinking masses and the magic of Star Wars will be lost on a new generation.
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How did Queen Amadou Diallo even GET to Naboo in the FIRST PLACE? Some SERIOUS inconsistancies here folks. My six years at Podiatry School have certainly taught me enough to know. Lucas must expect that we simply don't notice that one moment he's gunned down in a doorway in NYC and next he's Queen of the Naboo. He don't even look a thing like he did.
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Jan 28, 2003 4:14:49 PM CST
Um...no offense to the guy who brought up the "REVENGE OF THE SI
by screenplaywriter
You kind of just took what I said and used it in your own words to make an exact, but not entirely new copy of everything I said.
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Jan 28, 2003 4:18:35 PM CST
Didn't Lucas promise a "love triangle" thing too? I wonder if th
by screenplaywriter
Like what if when Padme is giving birth, Anakin senses Obi Wan nurturing and comforting her, and becomes so enraged that he kills someone, or what if Obi is to protect Padme from Anakin, but along the way he forms a love for her also and offers to become the adoptive parent to her children, but Padme says "no" and turns him away. It would be different to see and we could finally get a sense that maybe Obi does care for Padme also.
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Bwstarwars (Mutantenemy) is the dad from that disturbing MTV documentary about Star Wars geeks. Remember that one? When the dad wears a fucking JEDI ROBE on an airplane? What a cockgobbler!
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All I did was to post an article that had been up on another website for over two weeks, so no I did not write it, I just copied and pasted it from www.inlandempirestrikesback.net
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Fuck you, you shit eating puke. I have to make a movie in order to critize a movie? Fuck you, you stupid pig fucker, that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these boards, and thats saying quite a bit. Have you made a movie? No? Then how can you praise it, shit for brains? I can critize this movie, because I watched it without the rose colored glasses mandatory for all Lucas lemmings. How about you go buy a clue, cockmaster. Fuck you.
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I'm not arguing about whether AOTC makes sense or not, but you've got a basic theory ass-backwards in your post. It's only feeling rather than thinking that leads to fundamentalism and fascism. Not the other way around. Why else are fascists and fundamentalists so anti-intellectual? Their iron-fisted rule is through the manipulation of emotions. Doc out. -
What is obvious is that the Clone Wars will continue, that Amadala and Anakin will produce twins, Luke and Leia, yet Anakin will only learn about the birth of one of them, Luke. We know from later episodes that Bail Organa looks after Leia. Some claim Anakin turns to the Dark side (no reason given), and has a fight with Obe Won Kenobe near a volcano. Anakin falls in and does some serious damage. Someone has to get Luke to Owen and Beru. What's the big fight between Obe Won and Anakin over? And why do the Jedi almost perish. Will Anakin be blamed for their slaughter, since it conveniently happens on his honeymoon?
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Harry, this is Chuck Norris, profressional ass-kicker and texas ranger, and I am here to beat the shit out of you because you have TWO FUCKING BANNERS THAT MAKE THE LOUDEST CRASHING SOUND EVERY TIME YOUR PAGE IS LOADED. do you have any idea how annoying this is? it is causing your loyal talkbackers to hate you and vow never to see final destination 2, and instead see my new movie, "Chuck Norris's A Christmas Carol." I will physically brutalize you if you dont get rid of them.
-Chuck Norris
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if the preview for Kill Bill teaches us anything,
it's that you are full of shit.
1)The "real" Chuck Norris would never call himself a texas ranger, he has an oathe he must uphold, to be an ass kicker.
2) Star wars is MUCH more important the "Final Destination 2" and if you dont think so, you had better watch out for the wrath of Darth damn Sidious.
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You just made yourself a powerful enemy, mister Kip Winger. Perhaps you aren't familiar with the amount of ass I kick: shall I recall "P.O.W" from 1986, when I single-handidly wiped out a Vietnamese regiment using only my bare hands and a single deck of cards. Or howbout the time I ass-raped your mother? Does that ring a bell? Plus, I happen to be a huge star wars fan. In fact I gave the world premiere of Mutant Enemy's Star Wars Rap to rave reviews in my basement last night.
-Love, Chuck Norris.
p.s. I should warn you, I just contacted my compadres in texas and they are coming to your house to restore the good name of Chuck Norris and to remove every last bodily fluid from your body. sweet dreams you ass-hat -
i at one time respected you Chuck. and now, all is lost.
from your early days fighting Bruce Lee while a kitten watched hungerily, your two sweaty fleshy masses karate kicking the snot out of one another. and now, all is lost.
i had plans of watching the internet porn tonight, but plans change, as we can all remeber from Episode I, when plans changed drastically as Yoda decided that Obi Wan could take young Anakin future ass kicker, to be his Padawan. i too now bear a heavy burden, as the force thrives in my blood, i shall use it to pull a triple Yoda kung fu in your nasty ragged texas STRANGER face.
i'm ashamed to say that i once respected your ability to fight.
i had dream of you fighting hulk hogan. that dream is no more.
i now return to my fortress of solitude. and await the next turn in the battle of wits you have brought upon yourself.
but hear this, you shall not win. for as we all know, Kip is the king of heartbreak. and i shall use the power bestowed in me, to type out furiously written posts, while makin allusions to Star Wars.
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kip, I'm sick of you bantering about how much better Ep1 is than Ep2. do you remember the pod race? that bullshit went on for TOO LONG, compare that to the master timing of my action thriller "MANZONE" from 1985 when I took on forty chinamen in an abandonded whorehouse. that, my friend, is what GL turned to when he wanted to tighten up EP2AOTC, and that is precisely what happened. plus, how can you even COMPARE final destination 2 with the SW trilogy? god what the hell is wrong with you, the first one was pretty sweet, but the sequal will lose all the good things it had going for it, unlike EP2, and god willing EP3. I heard a rumor that there will be a new Yoda in Ep3 who is BLUE. can anyone confirm this? -Chuck Norris
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you heard it here first folks, Chuck norris is a LOTR sympathiser.
when will you realize, that all your movies were shit, no matter how many people you kill, in no matter how many whore houses.
and another thing, BLUE YODA???
dont start with me, i don't know where you read that fanboy fiction, but that is pure crap.
you bring up BY one more time, and i will make you cry like you did in SPY AWAKENING: THE SHOUT HEARD ROUND THE ROOM, at the real emotional scene when you thought your co pilot was DEAD???
how about that?
if you even try to say that the pod RACE wasn't the greatest thing put to celluloid since debbie doing dallas, then i shall show your porn hating eyes the light, the true light of my HUGE PURPLE LIGHT SABER THAT IS!!
i'll cut you three ways from tuesday, and what now...
not even your copilot from SA:TSHRTR could save you!
THE BALL'S in your court now BALL HOG.
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Come on, everybody should be ashame of themselves. How can you turn your back on the franchise that made us the geeks that we are today. I admit that Ep1 was average but Ep2 was good. I know that Lucas is going to blow us away with Ep3 and I guarantee you that Ep3 will be every geek's wet dream. It's going to rule every movie in history. You heard it here first.
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Man, you got some serious problems. I didn't even understand what you were talking about. Star Wars is for fun and it's not to be taken seriously. Chill out dude
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I suggest you hit the books again, and don't come back until you've drawn the appropriate lessons history has to teach. There will be a quiz on this. Doc out.
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Okay, i know star wars is open for interpretation, but i wouldnt say that anakin was a schitzophrenic. he is simply meant to be confused. ps, u are acting exactly like lucas....draining all the fun out of star wars. oh, and as for my name...it simply refers to my sister(Fanny)'s house. there is nothing....crude about it.
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wouldn't it be cool if palpatine and sidious were two completly different people. and palpatine is either; actually a pretty nice guy just wanting to do the galaxy right, or maybe he's infact an evil sidekick workin' for sidious (maybe brothers (still goin' for the family thin')) this would satisfy me interms of suprise endings. and would leave a question over who the emperor really is in the future.
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Here's my take on how Anakin becomes Darth Vader. Anakin is the most powerful Jedi, with those midichlorines being the highest. Palpatine isnt going to settle for second best in Dooku/ Tyrannus. No he wants the most powerful, Anakin. How does he turn Anakin and dispose of Dooku? He sends Dooku to kill Padme, and succeeds. Anakin finds Padme dead, and no Obiwan who is supposed to be protecting her. Palpatine tells Ani who killed her, and where to find him(probably on this lava planet we keep hearing about). obiwan comes back from hiding the twins to find Padme dead. he then goes after Ani, but he's too late. Dooku is dead and Ani is turned. So why does Obi fight Ani. Because the kid wants to kill him for not protecting Padme.
P.S. Sam L Jackson said he didnt want Mace Windu going out by 'being shot in the back by some no name character'. How about up against Vader. I don't know how George would shoot that, but here's how I'd do it.
Mace is alone in the Jedi chamber after that little muppet has just shot through on him. The door opens and Vader is standing there, in the background are a few dead clonetroopers and a couple of dead Jedi. Vader walks in.
Mace:- "Anakin?"
Vader:- "That name no longer has any meaning for me."
after a short pause,
Mace:- "Vader!!"
Lightsabers activate as the doors close, and we cut to the clone army swarming the temple wiping out the Jedi(they're tough, but even they can't take on half a million armored troopers.
cut back to the closed door. it opens at foot level as Vader strides out, Mace's blurred body in the background. Pan in to Mace Windu's bloodied hand on the floor, his lightsaber reasting upon it (or near it).
That's my take on Episode III.
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First off, let me say that the Prequels so far pale in comparison to the Original Trilogy, although I REALLY enjoyed AOTC. They aer just lacking that certain something that made the originals so great. Be it the quality of writing, plot elements, certain characters, lack of chemistry, lack of passion by George, CGI lending to things just not looking real or lived in or his inability to draw out a decent acting performance from talented actors (although I get massive chills everytime Anakin tells how he killed them all. And not just the men. The women and children, too. I thought he was very believable as Anakin, but didn't have nearly enough to work with as far as dialogue, characterization or story arc of the baddest mofo in the galaxy). I liked parts of Phantom, but the parts I hate detract so much from the movie that I can't even force myself to watch it (Gungans, Jar Jar, silly/pathetic bad guys like the Nemoidians and battle droids that didn't give me the impression they were to be feared at all). Darth Maul kicks ass, but was pathetically underutilized and had many of his scenes cut, much to my chagrin. I enjoyed the Phantom book much more than the movie.
As for AOTC, there are problems with some of the dialogue being wooden and not realistic (not NEARLY as bad as Phantom), George still doesn't know how to get the best performances out of his cast (who are amazing actors in other movies), but it was so much better than Phantom that I find myself enjoying it primarily for that reason. I was expecting another disappointment and had a stressful time with my first viewing, waiting for something to ruin it for me and the sense of relief was such that I love that movie in comparison to Phantom, but it still falls far short of Empire (better overall than ROTJ, though, but the end 25 minutes of ROTJ kick so much ass it's hard to choose). I so desperately wish George would turn the writing and directing chores over to someone else for Episode 3, because if it isn't amazing, he will be selling the entire potential of the franchise short yet again and not have another chance to vindicate himself or give us the Star Wars movies we should have had with Phantom and beyond. As much as I like AOTC, it could have been SO much better with skilled writing and an 'actors director'.
As for what I feel Episode 3 needs in order to be the movie us lifelong Star Wars fans have been craving since ROTJ (some would say since Empire - my favourite by far):
1. Aliens and sets that don't LOOK computer generated. I hate to compare with LOTR, but Gollum LOOKED real. He emoted like a physical character and I literally was in awe of what they did with him. Yoda still looks like he's graphics. Really GOOD graphics, but graphics nevertheless. The worst example is that dude from the Money Guild or whatever that looks like a skinnyheaded Frankenstein (in the scene where the Guild heads are sitting around the round table). The CGI sets don't look realistic enough because they don't look lived in or gritty at all, they look CGI. I also didn't like the way C3PO looked in many scenes, most notably in the Droid Factory when he's hanging on that skiff. He didn't have a realistic gold metallic shine like he does in the Original. In fact, I could have done without that whole droid factory scene. I hated seeing R2 fly. It seems...sacriligious. But I LOVED Yoda fighting. Go figure...
2. It has to be dark, darker and then some. Screw the kids, they can run out of the theatre screaming for all I care. I want a tangible sense of Evil, I want to FEEL the hatred and understand completely that Anakin Skywalker is indeed the baddest motherfucker that ever walked the galaxy. He's still a whiny punk now. When he embraces the Dark Side, it better be terrifying to behold. Get Clive Barker to cowrite and/or direct some scenes. :)
3. Bounty Hunters. I want to see Bossk, IG-88, Boba Fett and others in some deadly action. They made Empire stand out for me with that one scene alone. And every scene with Boba Fett in that movie rules. Maybe even have a few of them teaming up. I will be VERY disappointed if I don't get to see IG-88. He literally scared the hell out of me in the 'Shadows of the Empire' game and I couldn't imagine a scene on The Big Screen where a Jedi hears a noise and turns around to see a few red lights in the darkness, and then IG-88 steps out guns ablazing. Wow.
4. Boba Fett exacting his revenge on Mace Windu. Show me WHY Darth Vader lets him talk to him that way, why he is forced to point his finger and say, "No disintegrations!" He should also be growth accelerated so he's not a teenager. A half-pint Boba Fett in baggy armor would be so lame.
5. Dooku and Yoda with unfinished business attended to. This should happen on Dagobah, with Yoda killing him in the Cave. There has to be a reason that place is strong with the Dark Side, why not have it be because of Dooku's essence, or whatever?
6. NO Han Solo or Lando, although it would make sense to see Chewbacca somehow, considering he's over 200 years old in A New Hope, and when Obi-Wan introduces us to him it appears he's familiar with him or something.
7. George needs to realize his dialogue is amateurish at best, wooden and clunky at worst and needs the polish of a REAL scriptwriter. His directing I can live with, if I have to, if he at least attempts to get realistic protrayals from his actors. It's like he just does one take and goes with it.
8. I also think the event that will push Anakin over the edge will be the death or apparent death of Padme. When his Mom died he swore he wouldn't let that happen again and that he would get powerful enough to stop people from dying. If it's the fault of the Jedi somehow, moreso the better. He needs a valid motivation for wiping them all out.
9. Get Ralph McQuarrie back on production art and design. Doug Chiang's stuff just doesn't look and feel like Star Wars to me. Those yellow Naboo fighters and battle droids were so lame (I liked the destroyers through).
10. Showcase and highlight the Force powers more. Why don't they ever show a complete Force Jump without cutting from the jump to the landing every time? Why don't they Force Run more often? They should be able to move fast and have an occasional battle burst where they deflect like mad, jump off walls, jump super high with flips and do all sorts of crazy combo moves and basically kick the shit out of things. They're Jedi, goddamn it, not common rabble blessed with lightsabers! I'd LOVE to see Matrix style fight scenes where they actually use their Force powers to the point where we are in awe. Yoda's fight was the only time this attempted to take place, other than the little bit of platform jumping in the Obi/QuiGonn/Maul battle at the end of Phantom (I've always wondered why Obi-Wan didn't just Force Run to beat the forcefield so he could get to Maul and Qui-Gon in time).
11. Where the FUCK are the hyperspace blurs?! I LOVE those from the Original Trilogy. The way the starfield rotates just a bit and the stars go VZHOOOM like that as a ship jumps into hyperspace. There hasn't been a single one of those in the Prequels and frankly, it pisses me off.
12. There has GOT to be a huge long lightsaber/Force battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin. It should take at least 15 minutes and be the best fight scene of any movie, period. What really disappointed me in AOTC was the dual between Anakin and Dooku. It was too short and Dooku didn't talk to him at all, try to rattle him, tell him he feels his hatred, didn't mention his Mom in order to try to get him to tap into his rage and thus the Dark Side, tell him he feels his power and that the two of them could be unstoppable, etc. The potential of this scene to assist in foreshadowing Anakin's rage and anger, as well as his potential for tripping to the Dark Side with just a little more "encouragement" was amazing, yet wasted by George. Christoper Lee was by far the best thing about that movie and could have made any line of dialogue sound great, yet was given precious few and even had a PIVOTAL scene cut out. Damn you, George! You should be ADDING villain scenes, not cutting them out. The bad guys have always been the best part of Star Wars; from Vader, to stormtroopers, to the bounty hunters to Maul and now Dooku.
13. I would like one of the following titles:
a. 'Revenge of the Sith' - I freaking LOVE the word 'Sith' and it would be a damn shame not to have it in ANY of the titles.
b. 'Circle of Destiny' - This would fit with the rumour of 'circle' being in the current working title and fits pretty good. My money is riding on this one.
14. Explain how only Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan Jedi learned to become One with the Force and why no other Jedi figured this out in the previous thousands of years.
15. Tell us the midichlorians are a bad dream and the Force is just something unexplainable other than what Yoda says in Empire. Tapping in via midichlorians is lame. So lame. Cut out the middlemen and have people just able to do it or not do it. Relying on the presence of microscopic organisms to be a Force user is lame. So lame. That was the thing about Phantom that bothered me the most. Yes, even worse than Jar Jar.
16. If Palpatine and Sidious are twin brothers, I'm asking for a refund.
17. A deadly space battle that doesn't involve blowing up a Death Star or taking out a communications ships that leads to the power being shut down for every bad guy.
18. Why oh why did George cut out the scene with Plo Koon and Ki Adi Mundi in AOTC? It didn't even make the Deleted Scenes on the DVD. I feel ripped off. I thought the guy who played Ki Adi Mundi was just about the only believable and realistic actor in Phantom, yet he gets ZERO lines in AOTC. Stupid. He was ten times better than Samuel Jackson (who gave his worst acting performance in his entire career - I blame George because I KNOW what Sam's capable of).
That is all. It's not up to me, all I can do is attempt to live with whatever George does. But he resents us all and for some reason is obsessed with NOT making the Star Wars movie we all want to see. He has me left wanting. And he better deliver with Episode 3, as I still haven't recovered from my disappointment of Phantom. He can make it all better if Ep. 3 kicks as much ass as it's capable of. -
... but I find little evidence in that. After all, how is ObiWan going to find the Lars' homestead? Padm
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there is alot of talk about Padme dying, but remember the conversation between Luke and Leia at the Ewok villiage in ROTJ? Padme must have stayed alive for at least a little while after the twins are hidden. Just a thought. Thanks
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I had to write, especially after reading the post about what Episode III needs. I was a HUGE Star Wars fan as a kid, even went as Princess Leia for Halloween one year in the late 70s. Until recently I had not seen Episodes I and II. I have two young children ages 6 & 8 and this past November I gave them the original three movies on VHS to watch. Watching them with my kids for the first time in many, many years brought back my childhood. My son thinks he is Luke Skywalker. For Christmas we gave them both toy lightsabers (my daughter had to have one too), and now my son sleeps with his. During the day he wears his belt and his lightsaber. My husband, I, and the kids have lightsaber duals and my son uses the force on us. It just amazes me how the Star Wars movies are ageless and how my children, as well as myself, can watch them over and over hundreds of times. It is a powerful story that captures generation after generation.
Well, for Christmas I finally bought Episodes I and II and watched them back to back with the kids (and now over and over). My son can't decide if he is Anakin or Luke and it changes from day to day. But besides that, I loved the new movies. Episode I was not as captivating for me as II, but my son loved it. He has built himself a pod racer out of boxes on numerous occasions. But II blew me away. Darth Vader was always the really BAD guy. But in II you see his inner turmoil, his love and passion, and yet we still know that he turns bad. Oh the tragedy of it all. I have read that some of you guys think that Anakin was somewhat soft, but to me it was just what was needed to get the tragedy that will happen in III to be so powerful. And my son just thinks Anakin is cool, remember when you were a kid and Luke was cool (bet you even had Star Wars sheets).
As for Episode III, it will be the most critical of all the movies to solidify the great story that the 6 movies are. It is the change from Anakin to Vader and the end of most of the Jedis. What will it be that pushes the transfer to the dark side? I think Anakin will think Padame is dead, in classic tragic style, when she really is not, and some how this is all tied in with Obi1. Anakin will go to the darkside not knowing that she is really alive, and I doubt that he will ever find out until he finds out about Luke. Padame, in with Obi1 to protect the children, agrees to send Luke to Tatooine, keeping Leia with her until Padame dies of a broken heart. Sappy I know, but think back to the line that Luke uses when telling Leia she is his sister. "The force runs strong in my family, I have it, my father has it and my SISTER has it". How much sappier can it get, yet I loved it as did so many millions of us.
So how all of this actually happens in III is the story George will tell. So what I think Episode III needs is for George to write it the way he has written all the others and not give in to the pressures Hollywood may place to make it what others want. I see the excitement and wonder in my kids, and the tugging at my childhood heart everytime we watch one of the movies, new ones or old. And just pray III will continue that feeling.
Can't believe we have to wait two more years to find out. -
After listening to people complaining about how "bad" Episodes 1 & 2 were I figured I watch the Original trilogy again (I do mean Original, not the "Special Edition" that many people are rating things by). I found that many (if not all) of the complaints I've heard could easily be applied to those three movies with the exception of the Jar Jar complaints since they focus on his character.
Those who really remember "Star Wars" must also remember all those who talked badly about the movies when they first came out (not just Episode 1 & 2, all of them). All this talk about how George could have made Episodes 1 & 2 better by dropping or adding characters, or doing this or that. People talking that way have truly lost the real meaning of what it is to be a "Star Wars fan" if they ever were one at all. Are we complaining about the CGI not looking real or the way aliens are talking? People are dealing with a fantasy here, purely Science Fiction, taking place on never before seen planets with beings that inhabit those planets.
For those TRUE Star Wars fans, you know that EVERY Star Wars movie has pushed the limit. Each one has given us a reason to watch Star Wars on the "Big Screen" instead of just waiting for it to come on some home version. Moreover, we are always eager to watch each episode more than once to attempt to get the full effect etched in our minds. Looking for the little quirks & visual details that we can throw out at our next bout of Trivial Pursuit we gladly accept that each Star Wars movie is a hybrid of old Westerns, Sci-Fi, and High Tech B-Movies. I know when Episode 3 comes out I will be eagerly awaiting the "I've got a bad feeling about this" line just to see who says it next.
Even though I'd love to see certain things happen (Episodes 7, 8, and 9 for starters) I realize that it's not up to me, if it were I wouldn't be sitting here right now. I do think that George should allow others to do E.U. Episodes as he does with the books. With that, I repeat, Episode 3 needs a new audience or at least an audience that can remember what Star Wars meant to them in 1977.
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Let me start off by saying that I do love Star Wars, but I'm not the kind of fan who feels obligated to "like" a movie if it really blows. Thus my opinion about the last two films is that Episode 1 sucked and Episode 2 was ok. Here are the reasons why I feel the way I do about TPM:
First, Darth Maul was not on-screen nearly enough. He kicked ass when given the chance to do so, which made it more frustrating that he wasn't used much, much more. The opening scene for the movie SHOULD have been the following: A ship is dispatched by Chancelor Valorium to settle the dispute on Naboo. The person being sent should have been the Chancelor's chief negotiator, or some similar high ranking official. Darth Maul sneeks aboard, and in mid-flight kills the negotiator and all the body guards (about ten would do), then proceeds to destroy the ship making it look like an accident. In response the Jedi council gets suspicious and sends the two Jedi. This entire sequence would have taken five to ten minutes and would have really underscored Maul's dominance (like Vader in the first triliogy). Why was that so hard to think of?
Second - No more Jar Jar, enough said.
Third - How about putting some real gut wrenching emotion into the separation of Anakin from his mother. Their should not have a dry eye in the house! Instead it felt amateurish and uninspired.
Fourth - Show some dead Gungans on the battle field. They are primitive, and somehow managed to inflict more casualties than they suffered (which is almost as absurd as the Ewoks, but I digress).
Fifth - Don't have so many plot lines occuring during the climax of the film. Notice the pattern here; Episode 4, the battle over the Death Star. Episode 5, the escape from Cloud City AND Luke's duel with Vader. Episode 6, the battle over the Death Star AND Luke's duel with Vader AND the Ewok crap on Endor. Episode 1, the Gungan battle AND Maul's duel AND the space battle over Naboo AND the Queens assault on the palace. ARRRG, it's too much! Finally someone grew a brain and decided to just have one long kick-ass climax for AOTC. Thank you!
Sixth - Why didn't Kwi-gon's body disappear like Obi-Wan and Yoda when they died? There may yet be some plot related reason in Episode 3, but barring that it would have been much more dramatic to see him disappear from Obi-Wan's arms. Also, let me add a minor point here. This idea would have scored SO many points with hard core fans. In TPM, Kwi-gon's light saber should have been blue and Obi-Wans should have been green. If you'll recall from Episode 4, Obi-Wan was using a blue light saber. The obvious implication would have been that Obi-Wan continued to use the blue one in honor if his deceased Master. How did they miss this?
Seventh - Maul should not have been killed, but vanquished instead. This would have permitted the possible return of the character in Episode 2 or 3. Consider this possibility: At the end of Episode 3 we will most likely see Vader as we knew him from the first three films. I think a classic final scene would be to have Maul re-emerge and fight Vader for the right to be Sidious' apprentice. Maul's superior fighting skills would have been pitted against Vader's stronger presence of the force. And it could have been the definitve light saber duel of all time. But alas, Maul is dead and so is that possibility.
Eighth - The midicholorians, oh come on!
Nineth - Having Anakin 'accidentally' destroy the Trade Federation battle ship is too goofy. Needless to say the line "Now this is pod racing" just blows beyond description. That could have been done much cooler, and it really didn't have to be Anakin firing the kill shot.
Tenth - Having Anakin construct C3PO is uncalled for. All of these characters didn't know each other in the first triliogy. And now we find out that they've known each other for twenty years! The Star Wars universe is just too small. Obviously, R2 and C3PO are going to have their memories erased in Episode 3.
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I feel it necessary to correct LAVAMAN's assertion that Peter Jackson went to ILM for help. In fact, Peter Jackson was invited to ILM before work on LOTR had really started. George Lucas was adamant that ILM were the only effects house capable of delivering the quality of graphics that LOTR required. GL demo'ed a few of the new CGI effects that ILM were developing but Peter Jackson was obviously not impressed enough to use ILM's services and decided to expand WETA digital instead. How sad that ILM, a digital effects studio that's been around for ages, has been seriously ass-spanked by WETA in terms of quality...WETA, an effects house that expanded massively to be able to do LOTR.
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