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SciFi Says No To FIREFLY!!
So has NBC, CBS, ABC and UPN.
Mutant Enemy president Chris Buchanan tells scifiwire.com:
"The status of Firefly as of today is, ... the clock is running down in the fourth quarter, and we're 90 yards away from the goal line, and the Hail Mary is coming up."
Buchanan’s talk about “the clock running down” may be in reference to the fact that the “Firefly” cast is only under contract until the end of this month. If production doesn’t gear back up, they can take other work. And so can everyone else.
Read the entire SciFi story here.
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SciFi should spend their money on something more substantial, per say...Farscape?
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Cancelling Farscape, refusing to pick up Firefly...yet there's money for dream-interpetation dreck, the Biggest Douche in the Universe, and Tremors: The Series. Maybe someone who's actually got a pair will put together a decent science fiction channel someday. Bah.
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grrrr arrrrgh indeed.
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The show is dead and won't be missed. Go look up the Manimal fanclub to see what you'll be doing in 20 years. And BW, what KIND of drugs do you do? Throttle back, bud.
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I don't really care that Sci Fi passed it up considering how they cancel most shows anyway before they really get a chance.
Right now UPN has some sci fi and whedon audience with both Enterprise and Buffy, yet no strong follow up to either of those shows to keep their audience there. Firefly would do the trick for either, or be a good Monday night show for them. -
Hell, Angel's still there. And that's a network with a real need for breakout programming. Or even a network like Univision (actually the number 5 network in teh country, from what I heard on the radio today). Run it with English subtitles for those of us who are Espanol-ig'nint...and we wouldn't be losing anything when it came to the Chinese swearing.
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UPN and SciFi have no money. NBC and CBS don't want to take a chance. But aren't ABC and WB in "need to take a chance and have some money" territory? Is WB still ticked off Buffy?
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If Farscape was too expensive for scifi then Firefly certainly is. The only real hope was UPN which could have used it as a nice replacement for Buffy next season. It's really agrivating to turn on Fox Friday night and see the incredibly stupid Fastlane instead of Whedon's show. I think at this point the only battle the fans and creators have a hope of winning is getting Fox to air the shows last three episodes. And even that doesn't look too promising.
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...but Firefly kicked ass. It was new, and fresh and original and looked good and it did have characters you could like and a cast thet worked well together. Now waht do we have? Enterprise which has run out of it's own ideas to recycle and have started just lifting from the classics. Anyonce catch their rip-off of the classic novella "Enemy Mine" last week? God help us.
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did that Enterprise episode remind anyone else of the one where Picard was stranded with that alien that spoke the weird broken english and the federation thought was incoherent rabbling. Maybe it's just me I didn't want to see it for that reason. To bad about Firefly it did start to have potential near the end. Hell if FOX had shown the pilot 1st it might have had a chance. It was a lot better than most of those 1st couple of eps they showed out of order. You never know what a show can be. And we'll never know with this one.
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Because they're stupid, like you.
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OOOOkkaaayy....so, an OK show, say ROSEWELL, gets picked up by UPN ( and yes, I am aware that the show is cancelled now, I'm just saying )....yet the only new drama show that made me a fan, FIREFLY, is not getting picked up ANYWHERE?? Even SCI-FUCKING-FI channel is saying noooo??? Yet they keep airing STARGATE SG-1?? Honestly...WHAT THE HELL???!!
(p.s. my sincerest apologies to fans of ROSEWELL and STARGATE SG-1,I don't want to be rude but I personally am not a huge fan of those shows but respect those who are. those shows wer just not my cup of tea. ) -
...the pundants of mediocrity have spoken again. "Fastlane" replaces "Firefly" because that's what the masses respond to. "Firefly" had characters that were not immediatly accessable. Where they good-guys? Where they brigands? Unfortunately they were all too human. They demonstrated qualities of loyalty, selfishness, questionable reliability, indecisiveness, and questions of self worth. Yet, they were still capable of self-sacrifice, bravery, and even nobility. Personally, I found this to be one of the best aspects of the show. These were characters with quirks that didn't seem forced of convienent for the sake of a single episode. I looked forward to untangling the story behind Book and his I.D. card, or watching Jayne twist with his loyalties. But, alas, this does not seem like it's destined to be.
To those of you who feel it is your place in this universe to tell fans of the show how ignorant we are I hope you enjoy your moment of superiority. Yes, you calling me a dumbass and a Josh Whedon fanboy (which I'm really not, I loathed his Alien script, and don't watch "Angel") have really convinced me that the show I actually watched all the episodes for (did you?) had something going for it.
The clock is ticking, the ball is in the air streaking towards a pack of players in the end-zone. Hail Mary full of grace...
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yay! the morons win! yay! maybe now we can see more dumb shit like joe milionare and Man vs beasts. hooray for us!
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They should try FX. It worth a shot, no?
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STAR TREK, BABYLON 5, BAYWATCH, HERCULES, XENA. These shows thrived in syndication. Can't a similar deal be worked out for FIREFLY? PLEASE???!!! L8r
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--but I love FIREFLY! Unlikeable characters? WHAT THE F---? The broad who plays the ship's engineer is awesome; she's cute as hell and the contrast between her job and her naive girlishness is terrific! That dude "Jane" is a real find! At last Adam Baldwin is used properly in a show! The "companion" chick is gorgeous AND the details of her job are very interesting (GEEZIS--lesbianism on network t.v.!!! Me like! Me like!). The preacher who knows a hell of a lot about killing people!! Huh? What's up with him? AND the guys with the blue hands!!!!???????????? Whedon really knocked himself out with this one! It's a more intimate show than, say, BABYLON FIVE, but it is just as good. I pity you folks who don't get it.
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Jan 16, 2003 6:00:24 AM CST
I hope it sells like crack on DVD and FOX realizes what they let
by brattain
Why did FOX switch to Whedon in the first place if they weren't going to give Firefly a real chance for success? They picked a horrible timeslot, never even tried a different one, then dumped it. What the hell were they expecting? What kind of ratings would they have demanded to keep the show going? Anyway, just put all the episodes on DVD so I can at least have them to watch on a rainy day. Hey, FOX, I hope Fastlane crashes and burns in its new timeslot. You execs will simply never get it.
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but I always meant to. I'm really lame in the sense that once I miss a season premire, I don't usually bother tuning in later. It looked good though, now I kinda wish I had given it a chance sooner instead of just assuming it would be around longer that it did... I can't argue the quality of she show since I didn't watch it, but we should all be pretty pissed at how FOX treated Firefly. I mean, it's not a sitcom, it's a drama, and dramas are meant to be shown in their intended fucking order... where the hell do the FOX execs get off assuming we're too stupid to appreciate a show just because it doesn't start off with a ton of action? It's like they think we all have ADD or something... they had no business dicking around with the intended order of the episodes, Joss and co had every right to be pissed about it, and it's a shame it doesn't look like it will be picked up elsewhere. I'm with those who think it would do well on FX... I hope it goes to DVD someday, that would be nice. You know, they should put out a DVD box set of all the the great shows FOX pulled the plug on prematurely, like Firefly, THE TICK, Family Guy... (Actually, I heard rumor there may be a Family Guy box set already in the works, can anybody confirm that? )
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Jan 16, 2003 6:11:00 AM CST
dammit, I just watched "Objects in Space" yesterday - gonna miss
by tall_boy
it was starting to get good too. I usually downloaded it and burned them or deleted them from my hard drive - aside from "Out of Gas" which, I think, was the best freakin TV of the season so far. Hmmmm, maybe I'll watch that now, actually. Ah well, Joss is a completist, so maybe we'll get a novel or a comic or two...
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Jan 16, 2003 6:14:21 AM CST
oh yeah, and I don't watch Buffy or Angel at all but I dug this
by tall_boy
so yeah, I'm not just a rabid Whedon fan - but I still liked it. Still I think this show was too pricey and only a major net could pull it off.
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I like Buffy, I've never watched Angel and I like Firefly. No one is picking it up? For chrissake, was not Cleopatra 2525 on for two seasons? The show was interesting and not run in the mill. Clearly, even if you despise Firefly, you have to admit what Fox has put on instead is clearly worse. Yes, oh Firefly is expensive, yes, the money Fox will save... Hmm. what WILL they do with it, how a million more shows of midgets wrestling tigers!
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Jan 16, 2003 7:32:48 AM CST
Oh well, if they don't want Farscape at least they're not going
by horseflesh
Propa.
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Firefly isn't all that and thus worth saving? Just a thought.
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Mr. Smegma, good constructive criticism there, bud. Go back to watching "American Idol."
Lara Means...I agree, not everything that Joss touches is "gold." I, for fact, do not watch either the "Buffy" or "Angel" tv series, but I did enjoy the "Buffy" movie. However, the show did have its own distinctive style and I enjoyed it a great deal. Compare that to what's left...as someone mentioned, there'll be "Tremors: The Series." "Enterprise," which has decidedly gone downhill. "Farscape" will be leaving us in a couple of months. "Firefly" was a very good show and deserves a better fate.
Spider-Ham...it's entirely possible that a show with low ratings does NOT deserve to be saved. "Girlsclub" springs to mind. However, did you hear a similar hue and cry when that show got axed? I don't think so. That should be some kind of indication, I'm thinking.
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Sci-Fi has officially gone down the tubes. From a channel that used to be on perpetually in my apartment it's now a channel I skip by on my way to Turner Classic Movies. Bonnie Hammer you suck almost as bad as Barry's poems.
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There's still hope folks.
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I just have no idea what goes on in the minds of television programmers. UPN chooses ENTERPRISE over FIREFLY? (Hey, if Inara got semi-naked as often as that stupid Vulcan bimbo, would it help?) Sci-Fi dismisses it without a backward glance? (I guess they're too busy painting those cardboard sets and poorly coloring people's eyes blue for another DUNE thing.) Granted, it took me about four episodes to warm to FIREFLY, but the last 4-5 have been superb television. What the hell... just promise us a DVD set, Joss. And how about a novel that wraps up the unfinished biz?
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If not to pick up shows like this? I don't even know why they exist. I'm a HUGE sci-fi fan and I never watch the channel. This is why. More bonehead decisions like this and I can't imagine that channel is long for this world. -- Sean -
please fill us in on the rest of the story ASAP if this falls through. I HATE it when you know there is a plot twist just around the corner and the shox gets axed. I even went out an bought the 'Kindred: The Embraced' but I returned it almost immediately, because I knew I would still be disappointed when there was still no good ending! I really want to know what the deal is with Book already, come on Joss.
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now where's my Troll Hammer?
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Good thing SCFI didn't pick up Firefly since they only pick up crap. I mean, how many years has Michael Gross been living off of Tremors? And the biggest douche in the world? Leave him on channel 2 in the afternoon so bored housewives (who are the only ones who believe his shit) can watch him.
As soon as anything original comes their way they reject it, they rejected any B5 spinoffs despite B5 being the highest rated show on the channel
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I've explained in minute detail lo these many months exactly WHY Firefly was doomed, beginning with the wholly tired premise, the mismatch in networks, which quickly resulted in Fox dicking with the pilot and clearly surprising Joss by demanding a rewrite, and through the first few eppys which gave NOTHING to the casual TV watcher to go with. Repeat after me: Not everyone leaves a messy in their pants when a spaceship glides by on a screen. BTW, if there was a button I could push that would kill everyone associated with "American Idol" and ALL the loathsome "reality" shows I'd do it faster than SMG sticks her fingers down her throat after a big meal. Delicious S1-S2 Buffster, scary thin the last two.
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Jan 16, 2003 10:13:11 AM CST
The Farscape wannabe bites the dirt!! WAHOOO!!! Who says those n
by bannthisucommies
Oh wait that would be you the ball-less minionettes of the gaseous dwarf that is the Wendon. Bite it!!! Ah but I kid. . . So now that this flacid tubesteak is gone can we work on a Farscape movie/miniseries?
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Sci fi channel show sci fi? Ho ho. This is a real pisspoor excuse for a genre channel. Farscape - the best thing on there - and a show they originated they can for, in their own words, being well written and acted and with a sense of fun. First Wave and Chronicle, two other semi-interesting shows they canned. Hell, they really couldn't give a shit. Can you see them shelling out that money for Taken if it didn't have Spielberg attached? Damn right. And as for Stargate. Hell, they only bought that becuase it was on the cheap and had a fan base built up over 5 series. I can't imagine them paying that money for a brand new show anymore. Their own shows they give up on after 1 or 2 seasons, Farscape excepted. So, no chance for Firefly, especially as it's not much cheaper than Farscape. And what can we say about Tremors: The Series that couldn't be said by a talking heap of shit? The second and third films dropped off so fast after the first it gave me vertigo. It seems to me that the Sci Fi channel wants to be known as the channel that rapes the corpses of long dead shows and easy-to-sell mini-series. Once Farscape is over - sadly, all too soon - and Stargate is put out to pasture, there really wont be any need to call if the Sci Fi channel any more. The only thing sci fi about the channel will be their excuses for making shows like Tremors. Pah.
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So sorry "Firefly" got cancelled. Never saw an episode. Lousy timeslot. Here's my advice to you. Finish off Buffy and Angel with the style, panache, and spectacle they deserve. Have everybody ride off into the sunset, then close that universe for good. THEN go and do your other creative pet projects. Sincerely, sk
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...by that "messy" reference. I believe that good sci-fi is good sci-fi, and spaceships aren't necessarily a prerequisite. But we'll leave this one alone.
Going back to "Firefly," we'll just have to agree to disagree. I must have missed all of your insightful posts on why you disliked "Firefly." Although it's the habit of many, many folks who post on here to dump on a show in a Talkback thread where there are obviously a lot of fans of the show in quesiton, it still annoys me. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I'd like to hear your opinion of a good tv show, or hell, even a good sci-fi show that's currently on.
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Jan 16, 2003 11:57:32 AM CST
I never really cared for Firefly, but I must say, "THIS STINKS!
by wardog
SciFi Channel won't pick anything they can't directly control the cost of, like the Dune mini-series and other original series ventures which bombed because they were poor fucking choices to begin with. Shows what going for the cheap gets you: bad concepts, bad writing, bad production values and fledgling actors who are largely out of their depth when it comes to SF shows. The major exception to that last was Ben Browder, who IS a sci-fi fan and so he had a great feel for his character of John Crichton on Farscape. Plus he was teamed with incredible actors and actresses, ballsy envelope-piercing writers and some pretty good SFX (not great mind you, but for the budget they had, good enough.) But the SFC will simply have to get it that they're going to keep losing SF fans if they keep giving us drek for original series, stupid TV-movies, and overblown mini-series like Taken, which was a rehash of several SF plot ideas we've all seen befor anyway! If the SFC and probably UPN weren't already committed to producing and/or airing crap, they might have had the money to pick up Firefly. That's a damned shame, because it was just beginning to show its potential before it got axed. And Farscape didn't deserve to die before a fifth season. Now we'll probably never know how good Firefly could have been or how great Farscape would have wrapped up, because of some GODDAMN PENNY-PINCHING ASSHOLES WHO CLAIM TO BE SCIENCE FICTION FANS WHEN THEY'RE REALLY JUST A BUNCH OF UNCREATIVE, BOTTOM-LINE MUNDANE SUITS!!!!! If it weren't for Stargate SG-1, which I still love, I wouldn't watch SFC at all. And that's the only thing on it I WILL WATCH.
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Jan 16, 2003 12:51:30 PM CST
of course they cancel firefly with no promotion of th show at al
by bjc0410
To who it may concern,
As you may or may not know the TV show FIREFLY has been canceled on Fox. Firefly is written by the same people who brought us Buffy. It one of my Favorite shows.
Firefly would be a tremendous benefit to UPN. It has critical praise and it would fit perfectly in the vacant slot after Buffy. It will build and has built a loyal fan base. It is a sci- fi western with both comedic and dramatic elements. It is far superior to Enterprise. However, it will benefit Enterprise to have this show on the roster. Sci-fi fans are starving right now with the cancellation of Farscape and the Lack of quality sci -fi on TV. UPN will become a powerhouse if you team Buffy and twilight zone on Tuesdays and firefly and Enterprise one Wednesdays. Enterprise fans will watch enterprise and Firefly. Firefly fans will watch both as well. I hope you take this into consideration.
Thank you for your time,************************************
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I truly believe that the Fox schedule is set up through the use of a modern running parallel of the old "Thousand Monkeys / Thousand Typewriters" routine. You have a room with a bank of TV monitors. Say, about 15 x 20 ft. In front of each of these monitors is a large red button. A number of primates is set forth to roam in this room. These primates are encouraged to push these buttons because when said buttons are pushed, fresh, delicious fruit is released from a slot just beneath the monitor, rather like a vending machine. So these monkeys, or chimpanzees, or whatever, are shown, on the various monitors, potential shows with which network executives might fill their time slots. If the monkey likes the picture he sees, the theory goes, he will press the corresponding button more often. The reasoning behind this is that if the show is chosen by an animal, then therefore this show must reach some more base, primal instinct- and perhaps, therefore, it would do so in a human viewing audience- touching us on some instinctive level. Now, this theorem would seem to be supported by the abundance of shows like Man vs Beast, which bespeaks of survival of the fittest, Cops, which consists mainly of primates with large sticks beating on other, smaller, screeching primates, American Idol, in which groups of young primates yowl and hoot at one another while displaying their flaring genitals, and Joe Millionaire, because if that son of a bitch doesn't look like he just crawled down from some tree in Botswana and was coaxed with the lure of bananas into a suit, no one does. But wait, you say. Wouldn't the animal simply be pressing the button in order to receive more food, because that button had already given him / her food previously, and not because (s)he was intrigued or entertained by the show? Yes. You're right. One stupid, hungry gibbon monkey is punching the same buttons over and over in a corner. The rest of the group is over in the corner transfixed by shows like Firefly. So what does all this say? Network execs belong right there in the room with the rest of 'em. What a dumb bunch of fucking apes. Long live Fox.
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Can anyone translate that football (or possibly baseball) reference the guy made to describe the situation? Nevermind that I'm foreign, does Mutant Enemy not know that their main audience are all geeks?
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Herc had it entirely correct when he noted in an earlier Firefly column that this was the very best new show on any network this past fall. It was absolutely disgraceful how FOX squandered the opportunity to turn this into the franchise series it had every right to be. Firefly was/is simply brilliant, with a vision and attention to detail rarely seen in the television medium. The cast was outstanding, well chosen, and as instantly likable as any in the history of TV. The special effects were integrated more seamlessly into the plotlines than any sci-fi show I'd ever seen. To all you trolls who have been polluting this Talkback with your negativity, I feel sorry for you. You wouldn't know quality television drama if it bit you on your pimply asses. Go back to your reality shows and inane sitcoms and leave Talkbacks on quality shows like Firefly to the grownups. And BTW, I'm no Josh worshiper. Buffy and Angel do nothing for me; pure adolescent angst; no thanks. But I do hope he doesn't give up on finding Firefly a new home; it deserves a future, if any TV show ever has.
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I'm just as much a Joss Whedon fan as anyone. I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and think it the best, most underrated show in TV. I also like Angel, but to much less of a degree. I was just as excited as anybody when Firefly came out. But upon watching it, I was a bit disappointed. The show was pretty average and I expected more. I wanted to like it because it was by Joss, but I just couldn't. It was just too dull to me. Farscape is the best scifi/space drama that is out there right now, and Firefly just didn't measure up in my book. I think everyone is getting a little too upset about the show's demise - it isn't the greatest loss in television history. I'm sure something will come out in the future that will make everyone forget Firefly ever existed.
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The Sci-Fi channel has sunk to the lowest common denominator programming. They would have to change their name to TNN if they didn't occaisionally show Star Trek TOS.
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Sci-Fi- were we show anything but Science Fiction!
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..."American Gothic." "Now and Again." "Sports Night." "Action." The list of should've-been-great shows that have bitten the bullet over the past few years could practically make up a network schedule all by themselves. So long, Serenity. Maybe Whedon will go to his website and at least release the spoilers, give a rundown of all the unanswered questions he would have liked to have explored if he had been given the opportunity.
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Thank you for mentioning "American Gothic" I didn't know anyone but me and my mom watched that show. Raise a glass to the fallen shows that never got a chance to be great.
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Jan 17, 2003 12:54:43 AM CST
Not surprized, but its not necassarily Bonnie Hammer you should
by entilzha proph
Its Barry Diller - from some comments I've heard, its him who doesn't like scifi shows, Space scifi shows in particular.
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they have canceled so many good sci-fi shows without giving them a slight chance, and it begs the question why they even bother pumping out so many sci-fi shows if they obviously dont like sci-fi at all anyway.
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Sci-Fi, as networks go, ain't exactly awash in cash. One reason they let Farscape go is the per-ep fee they were paying. Firefly would cost 'em a bundle, and didn't they just take on the fairly expensive Stargate SG1? Maybe Whedon & co. should look to TNN, which is retooling itself to appeal to us guys. Firefly is the kind of stuff we want to watch. Sounds better than the Voyager reruns they're planning, in any case. - Trader Groucho
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...that's one thing that did it in. And yeah, bummer that nobody picked this up. But, time to move on. Nothing more to see here folks. Move along. Let the coronor do their job, people. Hey, you in the back, no taking pictures you sick fuck!
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Really, all you people who did not like Firefly, just stop. Because you can not say what IS on TV for Sci-Fi is better. Stargate SG-1? I like it sometimes, but better? No. Enterprise, yah right. Tremors? Please. Firefly dies, while in any given 6 month period on SciFi, I'll see Earth2?! God, they don't even play Six Million Dollar Man, or Space: 1999, even. AND don't even get me started on how they did pick up MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATRE 3000 for a few more seasons.
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The characters actually have a little depth. The dialog is consistantly intresting. The plots are intellegent. The women are easy on the eyes.
Yeah, this show "sucks" really hard. I really hate it.
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The quoted figure of $2mil per episode is incorrect. The 2-hour pilot, Serenity, reportedly cost that much, but they had to build all the sets and it was relatively CG heavy. The actual cost of follow-on episodes was reputedly closer to $800k, well within the budget of the average Network show and certainly less than Enterprise, for example. Cost is not the reason Firefly doesn't currently have a home; stupidity and lack of vision of shortsighted network executives are. Networks are too quick to pull the plug these days if a show doesn't garner huge ratings from the get-go. And that can't happen without marketing and promotion, both of which were sadly lacking from FOX in this case. It's puzzling. The promotional effort for "Joe Millionaire" dwarfed that offered for Firefly. The dumbing down of American television continues unabated.
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American pop culture is so far down the crapper, it's in a sewer being eaten by rats. Anyone else see parallels between the ancient Roman "bread & circuses" and today's reality shows? Ya know, how the Roman elite distracted people from social inequality and the empire's decay by giving them gladiator entertainment. . .
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He could turn it into a syndicated series, like Mutant X, Highlander and Hercules. I'm sure it would find success that way.
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Jan 17, 2003 1:51:16 PM CST
Radio1_mike: What's your problem with Mystery Science Theater 30
by craiggers
Unless I might have misinterpreted what you said, it sounds like you hated the fact that Sci-fi picked up the show for a couple more seasons. I'm a huge fan, so I was ecstatic that it was back. My only problem now is that they only show reruns of the all the color movies that they have watched, and will not show reruns of any black and white movies (except for Screaming Skull, which isn't even that good with the exception of the Gumbi short before it). Hey Sci-fi, believe or not, some of those black and white episodes were actually more funny than most of the color! such as The Deadly Mantis, Leech Woman, and Terror from the Year 5000. So lets throw some variety in the reruns! Okay, I'm done
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"Darmok and Jillard at Tanagra. The beast of Tanagra. Darmok and Jillard on the water." And I'm not even a Trekkie. Dear oh dear. Of course, if that had been a Farscape episode it would have been about two minutes long, since Crichton would not have had much trouble getting to grips with the idea of an alien who communicates through cultural references. **** Lynxpro you don't seem to know what a misnomer is. I'm also pretty sure that gladiatorial combats as a regular popular entertainment (rather than as a funereal rite) were an innovation of the later years of the Roman Republic, introduced for specifically political purposes. Don't patronise people unless you know you're right. Otherwise you're liable to wind up looking silly.
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Jan 17, 2003 5:03:21 PM CST
Saying Farscape is better than Firefly is like saying...
by voice o. reason
Saying Farscape is better than Firefly is like saying getting a blowjob is better than getting a handjob. Sure, one's better than the other, but both are still pretty cool.
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Jan 17, 2003 8:09:09 PM CST
A moment of clarity, do you know what's on Fox tonight?
by domisinnerchild
Fastlane with episode includes lesbian love that makes the boys high five and say, "ooooh yeah!". John Doe investigates a song... that KILLS! If that doesn't put it all in perfect perspective, I have no idea what will.
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I am always amazed that creative and intelligent shows like Firefly American Gothic and Freaks and Geeks are always axed before they can complete their seasons. Meanwhile crap like Family Guy and Roswell is spread out over numerous seasons. There are countless shows on television that deserve to be cancelled yet Firefly is far from being one of them. Oh how i wish television and film companies were run by people who were more concerned with putting out a good product rather than making big heaps of cash.
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First someone disses MST3k out of nowhere and now Family Guy! I never got much of a chance to defend the show while it was out, so I'll go ahead and do it now. First of all, to all the people who bitch that Family Guy is just a clone of the Simpsons, you're fucking idiots. I hate to be so blunt, but it's just that simple. Family Guy is, or should I say was, a funny show that delivered some hilarious and memorable gags with as much skill as the Simpsons. I thought it'd be stupid upon first seeing it, but I gave it a shot and was addicted ever since. How can you say the joke where everyone is in a courtroom and saying "oh no" to a bad verdict that is handed down to Peter (the main character), and the Kool-Aid Man busts in the wall saying "Oh yeah!" AFterwards, he looks around the room, embarrassed, and awkwardly steps back out. Okay, so maybe I didn't tell it right, but you can download it on Kazaa or something and see for yourself. This quality joke is typical of the series. Now THAT was a show that deserved to stay on the air. Firefly was just going nowhere fast. I do agree with one thing people are saying though: John Doe sure sucks.
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The dad is in his boat thinking deep thoughts like, "and somewhere Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love". The line alone should save the show from being ripped on.
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Why don't you just make a movie of Firefly while you are waiting?
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It's sad when people don't get things. They should watch them again and pay attention, because then they would get it, and then not go on a message board and declare their lackwit nature.
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They had one of the best Sci-Fi shows ever on TV and they pissed it right down their trouser leg. I'm talking about MST3K, of course. And Farscape too, heh. I shall miss the both of them. And in the name of holy Beelzebub you do not want those fools at the Sci-Fi-psychic channel touching Dr. Who or really any decent idea, since they're going down shit creek fast and nothing can save them.
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Jan 18, 2003 10:38:08 AM CST
"First of all, to all the people who bitch that Family Guy is ju
by voice o. reason
Were you on the debate team in high school? Your grasp of logical reasoning is truly inspiring. I suggest you move to Vulcan, where they would appreciate rational reasoning of such a high magnitude.
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First Zabbadoo or whatever. I'm not going to respond too harshly to your post because I'm still not sure what it is supposed to be. Were you pro-Family Guy and agreeing with me or, on the other hand, call me a halfwit? Because if it is the latter, I'll get to you later. As for Voice O. Reason, I realize that what I said wasn't the most profound post in history, but then again, who the fuck cares? And suggesting I move to Vulcan? Really, don't embarrass yourself, it's just sad.
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Firefly was alright, though I'm not gonna be losing any sleep over it not being picked up. Now MST3K was a show worth saving...
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Could someone please explain to me why there has been so little talk of first-run syndication for this show? If Xena and Hercules (and ST:TNG, for that matter) could have such thriving runs on this model, is it not worth a shot to shop around Firefly to the affiliates? What bitter waste that such a promising and unique show should wither on the vine because some gorram sons-of-unregistered-companions at the Nets should lack a clue about the gem in their midst!
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To keep something like this on the air the Stars would have to cut back salaries or a major network would have to pick this brilliant show up to afford it. I am playing the lottery in hopes. How much to purchase abc/upn?
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thanks for the reply. Yah; I'd looked into the details of syndication (got an education on www.fireflyfans.net in the discussion boards). Not viable. Alas, it may be that an embarassingly wealthy FF fan may have to come out of the woodwork(keep buying them tickets, NM!). Still, there are stirrings of hope... http://www.fireflyfans.net/news.asp?newsid=352 And http://www.fireflyfans.net/news.asp?newsid=351 Waiting is...
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One of our Hugo awarding winning screenwriters is need of your assistance. His name is Ronald D. Moore. For those of you not familiar with Ronald D. Moore will probably remember his work on several episodes in TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Epsides such as "Relic", "Defiant", "Sons of Mogh", "Trials and Tribble" and "Rules of Engagement" were written by this Hugo award winning writer. Also he was involved in writing Generations and First Contact. The Hugo award is only awarded to the finest writers of science fiction and Mr. Moore is definitely one of them. Currently Ronald D. Moore is involved in writing an HBO series called Carnivale and a new upcoming Sci Fi Channel Mini Serires Battlestar Galactica. For those of you not familiar with Battlestar Galactica, it was a Star Wars clone from the late 70s. What Mr. Moore wants to do is recreate/reimagine this Universe and make it unique from other Sci Fi shows. For a brief description of his vision, please read this review on AICN. http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14140 If you want to know what will make this show unique, please read the mission statement at this link. http://www.filmjerk.com/archives/0212/021208galactica.html Why is it important to support Ron Moore now? The reason is simple. Sci Fi Channel is looking for feedback on either continuing with the current remake or rewriting it into a prequel. A prequel will be a compromise between the suits and Mr. Moore. This will compromise his work and take away his creative license. If you believe that a writer has the right to maintain his integrity, please vote for remake. It is a very important time to support Ron Moore now since filming begins in March. Please go to the link below to register to vote. http://www.scifi.com/members/registry.html After registering please go here to cast your vote for A - Ronald D. Moore Remake at this link: http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/531/317759 Once again, it is the integrity of Ron Moore's work we must preserve. Please vote for A - Remake
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I knew that show was doomed the minute I heard its theme song.... and the fact that Whedon wrote it? Yah.... bye bye.
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...moron.
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... what can you say... pieces of absolute instantly disposable crap like "American Idol" and "Joe Millionaire" are ratings superstars and shows like "Firefly" get bounced before they even get started... hey, if I worked for Rupert Murdoch and he's looking for ratings, ratings, ratings and everything else be damned then i'd STILL be programming "When Animals Attack" and other National Enquirer bullshit... how did Joss ever get hooked up with these drug pushers anyway? "Firefly" might be gone.. booted by an uncaring network, but considering the source... I'd say that they're going to be in better company in the future and armed with a great great show on their creative resumes. Fuck FOX!
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