Moriarty & Harry go mano-a-mano over the new trailers out on the web! T3, X2, BAD BOYS, OLD SCHOOL & more!!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
It’s funny... I just walked in the door from the Butt-Numb-A-Thon. I stayed in Austin until the middle of Tuesday afternoon. This was my holiday vacation, basically. I just enjoyed time with my friends in Austin and talked about that insane orgy of movies we mainlined on Saturday and Sunday and spent time showing my girlfriend my home away from home these last few years. The whole time I was gone, from Thursday morning at 7:00 AM to just about three hours ago, I didn’t turn on a computer. I didn’t watch TV. I didn’t go to any regular showings of films at normal theaters. I saw a 16mm print projected at Harry’s house one night. I saw the movies of the BNAT at the Alamo. And I stopped after getting in from the airport, with my girlfriend, and met some friends for THE TWO TOWERS. Like many of you, I got to see some new trailers in front of the film, and when I finally got here (and, boy, does it feel good to be in), I saw that the trailers have been online, in some cases for the entire time I’ve been gone.
So don’t bust my nuts and yell about how these are “old” trailers in some cases, okay? This is the one weekend each year where I intentionally turn off everything except the event I’m in town for, and it’s nice to step outside the literal shitstorm of hype that I stand at the center of each and every day working on a site like this. What’s funny is how in synch I was with Harry over the weekend on all the movies of the BNAT... well, most of them, anyway. I agreed with him about how much NIGHT WARNING kicked ass, and I think we can agree that one of the secret films simply didn’t work, even if there’s some good work in it. I think I liked HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES a little more than him, even though we agree that Sid Haig is the star of the film and deserved far, far more screen time. Because we were so closely in agreement on the majority of the movies we saw together over the weekend, it surprised me when talking to him tonight after stepping in the door that we had totally different reactions to the trailers we saw when we saw the films. As a result, I thought we’d run the links and both talk about what we thought, since obviously opinions are going to be divided. I’m also curious what all of you think, since we seem to be so diametrically opposed.
First, there’s the new TERMINATOR 3 trailer. RISE OF THE MACHINES. And DECLINE OF MY INTEREST. I think this looks powerfully bad. I’m sorry, gang. I wish I could go with this. I wish I could say that Mostow looks like an inspired choice. But that shot of the POV of the thing being shot at the Terminatrix? Give to me f’ing break, please. This looks like something you’d see “premiere” at 1:45 in the morning on a Friday on Cinemax starring Mario Van Peebles and Christopher Lambert. “She’ll be back” is the stupidest fucking line of dialogue I’ve heard in a movie trailer since “John Connor... it’s time.” Yeah, there’s some decent FX work, and a few outsized stunts here, but they’re shot terribly. I hate that they’ll use Brad Fidel’s incredible TERMINATOR theme in the trailers to sell it, but Marco Beltrami has recently said he won’t use the theme in the film. That’s not fair, damn it. Unless that next trailer really kicks my ass, I’m afraid we’re looking at a dead shark, as Woody Allen would say.
Harry here - Moriarty is stark raving insane! Ok, I might feel that this movie may in fact suck the short hairs from his mangina, but this trailer kicks ass pretty fucking hard. Trailers are not truth in advertising, they are their own entity. The studio obviously knows that Brad Fidel's score sells TERMINATOR - why they're being retards and hiring the biggest hack in the music world to slap together shit in place of it... I have no clue... But at least in this trailer ... it is there. And that's fine with me. And if something that looks this good is on Cinemax at 1:45 in the morning every Friday, then I'm turning on Cinemax - just kidding... I don't watch TV, idle threat. What do I like about the trailer... The gizmos, the score, Arnie's bloody eye, that whole underwater skull pool with the flying Hunter Killer searchlighting through it as the world burns beyond... This trailer makes me want to believe that TERMINATOR 3 can be a great fucking movie that gets me jazzed and screaming and excited. And that's the job of a trailer. Now - our job is to see through that shit and see if it really is going to be that. All signs from the scripts are shit, production problems, budget issues - none of that screams shit, it just means irresponsible out-of-control production. Love the trailer, I'm just wary of the film.
Next up, there’s BAD BOYS 2. Which... god help me... I liked. Color me shocked and confused. I am, after all, the notorious Michael Bay hater on the site while Harry is his card-carrying apologist. Or at least... that’s how it’s supposed to work, I thought. Problem is, this trailer did what it was supposed to do. It sold me the idea that this film will be worth paying $22 to see on opening weekend, my girlfriend at my side, at the best theater in town because those stunts look absolutely insane. I like the gunfight that is shown constantly rotating between inside and outside. That’s a cool fucking idea. And the end of the trailer made me laugh. Oh, and didja see that “Written By” credit? Ron Shelton, John Lee Hancock, and Jerry Stahl? That’s pretty damn impressive, as are the glimpses we get of that insane car chase. Bay shoots action well, and dropping the pretension of PEARL HARBOR earns him much kudos in my book. Instead of making something like THE ALAMO, he’s gone back to pure boneheaded action films, and I think that’s admirable. This movie looks so dumb and fun that they even resurrected Don Simpson to co-produce it according to the credits. What more do you need from a summer movie?!
Drug Dealing KKK Members? Um... So this was written by Ron Shelton, John Lee Hancock and Jerry Stahl... did they happen to be on KKK brand drugs at the time? The end of the trailer made Moriarty laugh? You mean the part where Martin acts like a total retard (like 99% of his movies) and forgets the lyrics to the title song - which was sung terribly from the get go - and was funny - MAYBE 7-8-10 years ago, but now it's so anciently inept that I just sort of cringe. The highway stunts are cool as hell as is that rotation camera thing on that shoot out, but I wonder how many times we go ring-around-the-rosie, and if we keep it up for 5 minutes. I'm really tired of Martin Lawrence on film as a dumbshit with a gun movies. Personally, Don Knotts did it best in THE SHAKIEST GUN IN THE WEST and THE APPLE DUMPLING GANG. And am I the only one that looks at this as a major career back-pedal for Will Smith... I mean to go from ALI to MIB 2 to BAD BOYS 2 -- Isn't that like following up SCHINDLER'S LIST with LOST WORLD? After falling for the action in the PEARL HARBOR trailer - seeing a couple of really nice action shots in a Michael Bay trailer - followed by tons of bad comedy and tired performances - this one doesn't really have me interested.
I’ve seen OLD SCHOOL already, so I was curious to see how they were selling it. The trailer’s good, but it gives away a TON of the film. There are jokes I wouldn’t have even hinted at here, but then again, if the audience doesn’t know the film’s got some giant laughs, then they might not go. It’s a tricky proposition. Rest assured, there’s a hell of a lot more than you see here, but this gets the tone of the film right, and it uses some of the things I think are going to become pop culture catch phrases after the film opens, including Vince Vaughn’s consistently funny “Earmuffs.” Don’t believe me that it’s good? Maybe Mr. Beaks can convince you...
Harry here - This trailer doesn't strike me as being particularly funny - I actually laughed more at that bad Eugene Levy - Steve Martin - Queen Latifah trailer. Drew swears this is very funny and Beaks says it's very funny, so i'll give it the benefit of the doubt and it has a great cast - but I'm just not all that jazzed about it.
Quick! Look here if you want to see Dreamworks give away about five of the big moments in OLD SCHOOL!
The new X2 trailer starts the same basic way that the Comicon footage started, with the chess match between Magneto (Ian McKellen) and Professor X (Patrick Stuart) intercut with shots of soldiers descending on the Xavier School in the middle of the night. Good stuff. Builds steadily with a great sense of mood. And then the new stuff kicks in, and we see some shots of Nightcrawler and Rogue and Magneto in full costume and a mysterious character in a wheelchair sitting behind Professor X in full Dark Cerebro mode, and if you look closely, there’s all sorts of crazy shit going on, like Magneto in jail being beaten by a guard and Mystique in action and Wolverine... holy shit... is he hitting a SENTINEL, fer chrissakes?! Lady Deathstrike and Kitty Pryde and even more Nightcrawler and Storm finally using her powers to bring some seriously crazy weather to play and that last vicious slash and... how can you NOT want to see this thing?!
Harry here! The X2 trailer doesn't really do it for me. Now I haven't read the script - so all the action and movement is pure trailer nonesense, but the only stuff that works in this trailer for me is the Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart stuff. I hate Pyro pointing his hand in the direction of cars and them just blowing up. I like Pyro sculpting flaming animated birds out of flame that attack the cars and make them blow up. After watching trailers for DAREDEVIL seeing the whole film SPIDER-MAN and looking at that HULK poster - I just don't like the whole look of X-MEN anymore. It feels cheap and ugly. The costume changes from the originals just don't pass for me anymore, because I've seen it work when they did it right. I want X-MEN to kick major ass - and Moriarty loves the script something fierce - but he and I come from different places on this stuff because I'm a chapter and verse X-MEN fan. I love Nightcrawler and seeing him all growling and ferocious isn't how I want to see Nightcrawler. I want to see Nightcrawler being charming, debonair and smooth. I want to see elegant long acrobatic pans that involve convenient fun teleportation where I hear BAMF and I smell sulphur in my theater! Halle Berry's Storm wig looks much better this time out. And I went frame by frame and can't seem to find anything that even vaguely looks like a Sentinel to me? But sometimes its hard to spot the GIANT ROBOT in a frame... maybe its just me. There's still nothing in any of the X2 trailers that has me sold on the film. Lady Deathstrike looks cool in that one shot, but the bad Wire-Fu leap of hers, reminds me of the bad wire-fu from the last film. I'm dying to see the film, but this trailer really had nothing to do with that. It's the hope that the script is actually good like Moriarty claims - and that it might actually kick ass - but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm much more excited for HULK and the MATRIX sequels!
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Dec. 18, 2002, 7:10 a.m. CST
I've been one of the few supporters of "T3" and especially Mostow as a director... but God help me, that trailer was absolutely pathetic. By the way, does it strike anybody else that Harry was just disagreeing with Mori for the sake of disagreeing with him? I mean, not liking that "X2" trailer? Come on. (Although I will agree that "Bad Boys 2" marks a huge step back for Will Smith - they even gave Martin Lawrence first billing).
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:11 a.m. CST
by Andy Travis
Arnold's delivery strike anyone else as odd? "...It's time." Ookaay...And the voice over guy sounded too B-Movie trailer for this one..."The T-X..." Opening shot is nice, though.
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:13 a.m. CST
All you geeks out there are just pissed because there are no Terminatrix cyborg boobies in it.
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:14 a.m. CST
please post links to the files for these trailers! This P.O.S. MSIEX don't like no apple plugins!
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:17 a.m. CST
Here were the trailers in order.. Terminator 3; got tons of applause but by the end, the feeling was pretty lukewarm! BikerBoys: got boos, looks like a Fast and Furious rip off with Bikers! DUH! Someone yelled VIDEO! THE CORE: TONS OF BOOS! SOMEONE YELLED "FLUKE" BruceAlmighty: Uh got laughs in the beginning but I think i sense, people are burning out on Carrey's antics.. Final Destination 2: I think this one was a bad trip for people, everyone was silent after this one X-Men 2: Lots of Applause at the chess scene and minor appluse at the end...I felt very lukewarm about this trailer...the matrix teaser kicked more ass then this one! Then the movie started and all I can say is I am speechless..>Two Towers creamed my twinkie BIG TIME! Time for bed! I was hoping for a MATRIX trailer but did not get that...Oh yeah I forgot the DuMB AND DUMBER prequel trailer, see, it sucked so bad, I forgot it!
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:37 a.m. CST
by KID AB
That is my thought about T3.
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:42 a.m. CST
Do people still come here? (Besides me that is.)
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:44 a.m. CST
Its the only one coming out with support behind it nearing anything close to The Two Towers, without being some pathetic rehash of the same old crap told over and over. I stopped listening to anything Harry says a LONG time ago.
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:53 a.m. CST
I guess he is dead. Does that mean we can have our Buffy talk backs anywhere we please?
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:57 a.m. CST
by Noriko Takaya
"The war has begun." Indeed it has, and I pity any other movie released in competition with X2. Oh how it will rock the hizzy. As for T3--interestingly enough I thought the trailer looked great! Didn't give me chills or nothing but it looked fine, SFX and all. It's just that it's the *screenplay* that makes a film, not the trailer, and I keep remembering that the trailers for Phantom Menace kicked ass as well--and look how that thing turned out. Well, we'll see. Toppu o Nerae!
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:59 a.m. CST
....Christopher Lambert movie on Cinemax? THat is fucking hilarious. Why, because I actually had to wake up at 2am for work today and saw a movie on HBO starring the illustrious Mr. Van Peebles and, perhaps the greatest thespian of our Generation--Zach Galligan. Riveting cinema.
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:18 a.m. CST
Fuck you asshole. T3 is gonna rock next year. You are all just retards, whining on about girly boy Cameron, and that Arnold's career has gone. Right, I'll like to see all you pricks have a better career than Arnold. Arnold has the most successful career around. You are all just scared, because the constant bashing at Arnold, he is coming back. You're all gonna be eating your words on July 2nd 2003, mark my fucking words. ARNOLD IS BACK, T3 IS GONNA BE 2003'S BIGGEST MOVIE OF ALL YEAR. FUCK ALL OF YOU, AND FUCK THIS SITE TOO!
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:22 a.m. CST
The T3 trailer did it's job and KICKED MY ASS!!! There is just soooo much to love including the BRAD FIDEL theme (which BETTER be in the film), the underwater skull shot (Mostow took Cameron's on land skull vision to the next level), the WILD looking action scenes...the crane with Arnie riding it smashing into the building, the herse chase scene, the helicopter crashing into the military building, the T-X looking bad ass and not like a cheesy gimick like some might have thought, Arnie's iconic look when he walks up to John Connor and says his line, Arnie holding the mini gun again bringing back great T2 memories...Arnie looks as GREAT as ever. This film NEEDS to get an R rating like the WB's THE MATRIX RELOADED!!! I can't stress this enough to Intermedia, the WB, Marrio Kassar and Andrew Vajna. THE TERMINATOR and TERMINATOR 2 were hard R action films so continue with tradition or expect a huge uproar. CAMERON would have gotten an R rating so make TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES rated R!!!!!!! The trailer shows why the film is costing an amazing 170 million!!! BAD BOYS II's trailer ROCKS!!! The stunts, the gags, the kick ass car chase...this trailer did it and Bay and Bruckheimer are back to summer fun. Haven't seen the X2 trailer yet but have seen AWESOME clips!
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:26 a.m. CST
To fool the dogs of course.
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:28 a.m. CST
T3 is more colorful than I thought it would be, better CGI more clear action, however the dialogue outright sucks and it looks a little RESIDENT EVIL-esque. X2 has a horrific representation of NightCrawler (did you see what passes for his wire-fu shot?). Mystique has a great CGI shot and so do others. I love the set design, however, the Blackbird X-jet is unbelievable. Cyclops looks like Gambit. Wolverine is focused on too much and he looks too handsome, tall James Dean character, unlike Wolverine, he's not even that hairy. I'm sure it has a lot we're not seeing though. I hope the dialogue between X and Magneto is as great as it was last time. I don't like the 'Uniforms' (not costumes) either, Storm's is nice, but it could've been white for a change. Overall, I loved the first film but the new X2 trailer doesn't do much for me right now, either.
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:38 a.m. CST
The Terminator was rated R!!! Terminator 2: Judgment Day was rated R!!! It was the most expensive movie at the time with a budget of 94 million dollars!!! The Matrix Reloaded is rated R!!! Warner Brothers and Intermedia better make Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines rated R!!! T2 made its expensive budget back with a 515 million worldwide gross and T3 will make back its 170 million dollar budget!!!
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:44 a.m. CST
by Silvio Dante
Pantoliano and Rollins - the real bad boys in BB2. This will make a nice shot in the arm of Martn Lawrence's "career". I liked the car chases actually and that nice little virtual camera movement when Smith talks about asking the bad guys about timeout. X2 looked a little more cinematic this time around, the first trailer looked like TV. Nightcrawler was hardly in it so what are you talking about Harry? He's screaming in pain, not growling. And T3? I would have preffered The Termintarix a little hotter too, but I guess she has to blend in. Robert Patrick was no Brad Pitt either, so I guess it's logical. I wish they've had kept Claire Forlani in it, though. Just to see at least one hot chick in it. Danes? Not my cuppa. And say what you want about Beltrami, I liked his stuff in Blade 2.
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:44 a.m. CST
...and please do not take this personally, but how many goddamn times do you feel the need to insert a mention about your girlfriend into an article? I mean, Christ, you don't see Ebert or Ansen going on about their wives whenever they do a review or an essay. We get it already, you are attached. Congratulations. But the gratuitous mention of your girl always raises my hackles whenever I see it by this point. You are a great writer, and I enjoy your reviews, but I think you really should take this advice to heart.
Dec. 18, 2002, 9:01 a.m. CST
Jealousy there over Mori having a girlfriend perhaps, HarryIlluvatar? T3 should be cool, X2 should be excellent (I quite like the first one and think it's not appreciated as much as it should be. It just needed a more climatic ending IMHO.) Bad Boys 2? We'll see, I'm reserving my judgement at the moment and I forget what the other one was so it couldn't be too good... Cheers.
Dec. 18, 2002, 9:22 a.m. CST
Star Trek First Contact, Star Trek Insurrection, and Star Trek Nemesis are much better than the single X-Men movie because they all shared the spotlight. First the camera is on Picard, then it's on Riker, then it's on Data, not just one character completely; which was Wolverine. The screenwriter wrote X-Men like it was a sequel, and it wasn't. The movie didn't explain anything. Why is Xavier in the chair? How was the X-Men formed? Who are the X-Men? How did Cyclops, Jean, and Storm become X-Men, and who are they? The screenwriter just assumed that the audience knew all this and just went on to some stupid, one dimentional plot. I also heard that they are going to do the same thing in the sequel; all action and no background explanation for the characters. It's was good that they hired no-named actors to play Cyclops, Jean, and Wolverine, but for Halle, this is a shame. Not only that they did a TERRIBLE and very lazy job on Halle's make-up(the ugly white wigs in 1 and 2, no white eyebrows, NO BLUE CONTACTS)she was barely in the movie. Halle did the right thing by turning down the third film, because she is an academy award winner now and she can't be in a dead end movie that is treating her and the rest of the characters (excluding Rogue and Wolverine)like crap. To the rest of the cast of X-Men; GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN. Make this be your last X-Men movie.
Dec. 18, 2002, 9:24 a.m. CST
This one's gotta be flushed pronto. Not sure how anyone could get any pleasure out of this trailer except for Cameron himself, who'll no doubt be gratified in knowing that a cheap imitation of what he made famous is gonna blow donkey dick in a major way. "She came back in time for one reason: TO KILL US ALL!" Holy fuck. How depressing. Pull Cameron out of the friggin' ocean and get him to make us a decent FX show.
Dec. 18, 2002, 9:33 a.m. CST
by Darth Siskel III
I have to agree with Moriarty on all these trailers, and totally disagree with Harry. Bad Boys & X2 look good. Not one shot in X2 looked lame, and this is still not the final, long trailer that will hit in a few months. Bad Boys 2 looks funny, those 2 guys work well together and Michael Bay's best movie was Bad Boys in my opinion. T-3 looks like cheap shit! Totally wack bullshit. The wire shot of the T-Whore landing on the car is PITIFUL. Notice the capitalization of PITIFUL. If that is a final shot in the movie, oh lord. I would be ashamed. The movie looks overlit, like an episode of Andromeda, and none of the action shots were anything new or creative. Remember the T2 trailers? Remember how every bit of action in the trailers was some shit you had never before seen in your life?? The camera moves flawless...the freshness of it all ? Nobody involved in T3 has 20% of the creativity that Jim Cameron had on T2.
Dec. 18, 2002, 9:38 a.m. CST
We got "Bulletproof Monk" and "Final Destination 2". Not a single trailer for anything I want to see. sk
Dec. 18, 2002, 9:50 a.m. CST
I knew that someone couldn't resist the temptation to compare something to TNG. I had to agree with Mr. Beaks with his review. Not a great movie but like getting a checkup from the dentist. Anyway, the jury is still out for me on T3. Each movie had it's corny dialogue and this one's no different. Yes, Linda Hamilton's in this one (that's her that Arnie's shoving to ground toward the end of the trailer). Will it make a crap-load of money? Sure - will it compare to the previous two. No. X-2? Can't wait. Harry, like you, I grew up reading X-Men. The first ish I ever read? #137 where Phoenix died. Read it back in 1980. Had not read a book before that but Claremont did such a good job of story-telling that it wasn't hard to catch on. Unlike the previous post, sometimes it's not necessary to do the whole "this is how we came into being" part of the movie. "Fellowship" didn't. For all us fantasy geeks, it's been a very satisfying couple of years with X-1, Spiderman and LOTR. Looking forward to DD, Hulk SMASH! X-2, Matrix sequels and all really cool stuff coming soon. By the way, why does every good movie get eventual backlash? Most everyone was singing Spidey's praises earlier this year and now all of a sudden, it's a piece of crap? Don't think so. Will "Fellowship" befall the same trend? Let a good movie be.
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:02 a.m. CST
Coincidentally, I ended up watching Never Say Never Again on TV last night (God help me). Sure it's James Bond, sure that's Sean Connery, THE ONLY TRUE James Bond, sure it's a remake of the wonderful Thunderball, but.... it isn't a James Bond film if it doesn't have the James Bond theme and the gunbarrel opening. I think that without the Brad Fiedel score - that WONDERFUL score - one as evocative and iconic as the Jaws score - then it just won't feel like a Terminator sequel. The trailer looks okay, but it doesn't really kick in till the familiar music kicks in at the end. It isn't too late to fix this, I just hope they do.
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:02 a.m. CST
by TV CASUALTY
learn to use a space bar, moron. Anyway, that aside, these all looked GREAT to me. Call me corny, but I loved Bad Boys, and the new one looks like more of the same (in a good way). T3 looks much better than I expected, and X2 looks... flat... out... AWESOME... It will be a good year.
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:22 a.m. CST
OK, I have had several days to watch the T3 trailer now, and I am still not sure what I think of it (and yes you all had several days too, it has been on the web and Kazaa since Sunday). I can't decide if it looks like a straight to skinimax movie, or a big budget production. The voice over was cheesy. I don't mind the "She'll be back" thing, and I loved the opening scene. But what happened to John Conner? He looks just like that dude from the movie "Sidekicks." I know Furlong is probably an E! True Hollywood story waiting to happen, but why couldn't he reprise his role. I want in my heart for this to be good. I want it to make a nice endcap to the other two movies. But alas, I have a feeling it will suck.
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:23 a.m. CST
Second part first. I might get (rightfully) blasted for saying this, but after reading about the "Jackass" kid who got killed trying to replicate a stunt, I want the whole extreme stunt phenomenon to INCREASE. That's right, let more of these chromosome-deficient mooks eradicate themselves. It's not like they're going to be solid contributors to society ON ANY LEVEL. Human life is very precious, but let's face it, some people should've never existed in the first place. It's just like the whole "heavy metal" suicide fiasco in the eighties. It's amusing to see PTA moms and Senators blame Ozzy or Judas Priest or D&D or Johnny Knoxville, when kids who do this shit are so flawed prior to these "straws that broke Joe Camel's back" that their premature demise is almost a mathematical inevitability. I wish we could hit rewind until about 1945 and start over from there. And be ready to deal with the hippies and the overall emasculation of this country this time around. But speaking of time travel...I can't even get mildly aroused by "T3". Haven't seen the trailer yet (at work without the opportunity to hear it), but just reading the posts...And Harry and Moriarty need to do this Ebert/Roeper shit more often. It makes it even more obvious which one of them clearly has no idea what's going on anymore. (You do the guesswork)
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:25 a.m. CST
by The JackBULL
You can't name one movie of his that dosen't have CHEEEEESSSE written all over those fucking trailers.To be fair he does know how to shoot ACTION really well, but that's it! EVERYTHING DOSEN'T HAVE TO BE A COMMERCIAL MIKE!
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:34 a.m. CST
by Hiram Abiff
She'll Be Back... With Hair and Make-Up Tips!
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:42 a.m. CST
Dude, i remember when i could look to your articles as a valid source for what to see and what not to see. Honestly i cant do that anymore. The T3 trailer....eh....had good action, a hint of teasing PG-13 T&A...thats it. BB2 trailer is F@ckin great. X2 trailer completely convinced me that bryin singer didnt f@ck things up. But according to you its just "ugly".
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:47 a.m. CST
X-Men Too sounds like more action, more characters, lotsa fun, lotsa fighting on set. Be nice to see Herr Bampf, Colossus and IceMan do their things though. Sentinels? Big purple robots right? That could be fun-but doubt their in the flick......InTerminable Three-WHY o Why? This could be poo poo. Ah-nohld could have done this by '96 or so, I think folks would care. But now? Uhhhhh-I would be hard put to think so. Termanatrix is an interesting concept though........Bad Boys Too-never sat thru BAd Boys One, I do like Mikey Bay's stuff for what it's worth-da Rock, Armageddon, etc.-so maybe it's just a scaled back Shoot everything in Sight and let'em be counted the next day kinda flick. This is another one that shoulda been made earlier.
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:49 a.m. CST
Admit it. You cringed.
Dec. 18, 2002, 10:51 a.m. CST
Hey there, first post so take it easy on me please guys and gals ;)I usually just read the talkbacks as they take my mind away from the mind-numbing ache of my daily job, but today I felt compelled to write for some reason. Maybe it's cause I actually think Harry & Mor have a similar taste in films as I, or maybe it's cause I think Harry is selling out a little too much (sorry big man!) but, I don't know, is it just me, or has Harry slagged off the X2 trailer for exactly the same reason as for liking the T3 trailer....? Though I agree Bad Boys 2 will be nothing but flashy shit, he just seems to contradict himself a little too often these days. No offence intended ;) However, I'm sorry, but T3 should never have been made, T2 finished the story off, they had closure and then some. The only way I can see them holding up this (now shoddy franchise)is if the "TX" is sent back to start off the Armageddon (i.e. launch Nukes as the computers can no longer do it after T2, thus ensues various time travel and crap storlines to get us there but, well, you know, blah, blah) but I just can't buy into it (and will try not to, in terms of getting tickets). Hope this nonsense makes sense people - wasted a couple of minutes at work anyway ;) Happy holidays, and happy Two Towers!!
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:13 a.m. CST
this is how u guys work now? this siskel and ebert thing on trailers? where u can never agree? bashing a movie based on the trailer is the dumbest thing you've ever posted mor. i hope T3 kicks ass now because of ur idiocy
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:24 a.m. CST
by TV CASUALTY
Try this out. Next time you have an idea, I want you to carefully write it down on a piece of paper. Then set the paper on fire, you fucking half-wit. Posting off-topic and trolling is one thing (or two things, I guess), but deliberately making things inconvenient for the rest of us just labels you a pathetic loser whose sense of "humor" never evolved past the sixth grade. Get a life.
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:35 a.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
But its also a huge leap forward for Martin Lawrence. But the trailer was decent, mostly cause Bay/Bruckheimer movies are just commercials stretched out into movie length. And the T3 trailer was almost painful to watch, did Arnold already lose his mediocre acting skills?
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:35 a.m. CST
Hi Guys, I notice a very obvious filming/editing mistake included in the trailer. The scene is when the TX is running through the forest/cemetary and later jumps off the cliff to land on the hearst. Now, if you slow-mo your movie player, frame by frame, you'll see she is about to land with her back facing towards the windshield. However, instead the next frame shows her landing, with the front of her body facing the windshield. I consider this to be a major editing/filming issue that should have been caught way before. I do hope this oversight is NOT reflective in the quality of the REST of the movie. Overall, I enjoyed what I saw and hope the movie will continue where part 2 left off. I welcome your comments. MisterNeil
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:42 a.m. CST
She aint leapin mannnnnnn. She is getting pulled by Magnito as she points the plastic gun at him. remember she has also got metal skeleton.
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:44 a.m. CST
Hollywood throws everything but the kitchen sink into trailers and they show way too much and they all have the same score and same voiceover and same fucking opening ("In a world...") Gimme a fucking break! Harry and Moriarty should continue their further examinations of this so called "art" the movie trailer; maybe they can get Hollywood to stop putting out the same cliched bullshit.
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:47 a.m. CST
You're an asshole. You too, Atribiance. You people like reading a mile-wide talkback? Fucking morons...
Dec. 18, 2002, 11:53 a.m. CST
Is T3 really gonna be PG-13? If so it's gonna suck. PG-13 is the death of the action movie genre. But maybe that's just me since they tone down rated R movies nowadays (Resident Evil comes to mine). But hey to me Bad Boys 2 looks like more of the same. Which is fine by me. I like the first one for what it was. A laughable big budget B-movie with action. BB2 can't couldn't possibly be any worse then the first one.
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:31 p.m. CST
by Cutter's Way
Atribiance, jerking off twice in a row before Mommy tucks you in at night ain't getting "laid". Don't be such a obvious lame-o. Blabbing about that "24" TV show like a slobbering mongoloid doesn't help your credibility, either. Ask and you shall receive, Rico Suave.
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:36 p.m. CST
T3 looks mundane and cheezy. I was pumped about the concept, but it looks really corny. The T3 villain is about as scary as Claire Danes on crack. X-Men 2 looks much better with some actual dialogue.
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:42 p.m. CST
He speaks the damn truth.
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:44 p.m. CST
Bad Boys 2 will own you, Harry update the friggin posters on the site, Rules Of Attraction? Get rid of that shit.
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:51 p.m. CST
We already had a nice long discussion/argument about this over at Joblo.com...even got a petition started. Then, the Arnold Fans website got an message from Beltrami's agent saying that yes, he was gonna try all new stuff, BUT there was no, I repeat, NO discussion about replacing the classic theme music. And Harry, you do realize you're bashing the guy who scored Blade II (a movie you loved the shit out of), don't you?
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:52 p.m. CST
by Blue Devil
I mean, seriously. It's too early in this guy's career to start aping other directors. And John Woo? As if. We all agree that his American stuff has been pretty shotty, but Woo's Hong Kong work? Bay will never be able to touch that stuff in his lifetime.
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:57 p.m. CST
Hey atribiance getting laid by your sister does not really count! Man, this is a tough crowd, did you see the detail in the underwater scene. Watch it again, I mean T3 from what I can tell looks very well done.
Dec. 18, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST
Least anyone forgot, T3 has the kiss of death in it: Claire (I made a pact with the devil to be a movie actress) Danes!
Dec. 18, 2002, 1 p.m. CST
this looks lame. I'm a big fan of the franchise but this one looks d.o.a. Nothing new or original here, looks like a bag b movie version of itself. She'll be back - come on. Sad, sad, sad.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:02 p.m. CST
by Blue Devil
Even Arnold doesn't seem into it- and he needs this film to hit big more than anyone! I've never been too crazy about Mostow, but he looks seriously out of his league on this one. And the T-X? Give me a break. Yeah, let's be low key in our red leather outfit. This is easily the least anticipated film of next year (somewhere around the Powerpuff Girls 2 movie)
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:22 p.m. CST
by Cutter's Way
I took the bait, I knew the consequences. But it's a slow day at the mine and nobody gets hurt, so screw it. By the way, Atribiance, I never insulted your mother. In fact, I think she's a saint to take care of you the way she does. Especially in your highly excitable condition. This more interesting than yapping about trailers.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:33 p.m. CST
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST
According to a Patrick Stewart interview, there will be FOUR early prototypes of the Sentinels dukin' it out with the X-men at the end of X2, at the Weapon X compound near Lake Alkalie. They won't be as sophisticated or as heavily armed as the comic book Sentinels, but they'll still be GIANT ROBOTS! Can't wait for the all-out, Sentinel versus Mutant war of X3! - I know Kung Fu.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:36 p.m. CST
by Mac Styran
Bad Boys was a nice little movie with a cool score. (Yes, score, not the soundtrack...) Bad Boys 2?? Please. Martin Lawrence is a lousy B-actor, he looks incredibly FAT in the trailer and he get's first billing?? WTF? And for Will Smith ... B B 2 is the equivilant of Schwarzenegger going back to make "Hercules in New York 2". (Nobody remembers that movie... for GOOD!) And speaking of Arnie... he has a terrible accent, I know. But did it go from really bad to worse? I could hardly understand the noises coming out of his mouth in the T3 trailer. And I couldn't stop laughing. The movie screams CHEAP!! The SFX explosions were so hilariously bad, I couldn't believe it. I'm going to see the flick, but I am really not hyped. The X2 trailer... not very intruiging. We'll see.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:39 p.m. CST
He may as well go to the Special Olympics webpage and insert lame comments about his 'working legs' or 'even chromosomes'. What a dork!
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:39 p.m. CST
"I got laid last night, more than once." That sounds like the comment of a little boy still shooting air when he jacks off. If you did get laid, good for you. I doubt you have though. Your adolescent remarks are nearly comical. It would be funny if I did not feel so bad for you. You post an attack at talkbackers, assuming that if you are here, a: you can not get laid, b: you live in your parents basement, c: you have no job/income/life. Yet here you are my friend. Bragging to us about your ability to masterbate twice in one sitting. Good job, kid. To let you know, I have been married for a long time, I have a job the affords me the income and ability to be on the talkbacks eary in the am or late in the pm, and I have long since left my parents basement. Flame those who attack you, fine, but do not assume everyone here is as pathetic as you are. Ok, On to the T3 trailer, How in the world could anyone, cyborg or not, shoot a rocket launcher while seated in a station wagon. I did like the Arnold driving the TX through all the bathroom stall walls. But as I said before, I am leary.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:42 p.m. CST
First Harry claims that the T3 trailer is a great trailer regardless of the doubts he has about the movie. Then, he admitted that the Bad Boys 2 trailer had some good action, but begins commenting on Will Smith's career and his past experiences with good trailers for bad movies. Is he critiquing trailers, careers, movies or all of it? And then he comments that after seeing the Daredevil trailer, the Spidey flick, and the Hulk POSTER, he no longer likes the "look" of X2. I have no idea what that means. It sounds like Moriarty and Harry drew straws on each issue and squared off. Looks like Harry got the shit end of the stick. #### The trailer for X2 didn't impress me that much, but it wasn't the "look" that failed me. It was the cut. I'm hoping there's another soon that doesn't attempt to splice together 42 sections of 4-frame sequences. T3 looks like a bad movie, period. Obviously the focus was on the action. I've SEEN all of that action before. Nothing new. No sense of dread that made the other two so successful. Nothing. It was terrible. Bad Boys 2? Eh. Whatever. I have no opinion because I am not anticipating that movie like the other two. Although now, perhaps I'm only anticipating X2. #### Finally, atribiance, you are a fool. Congrats on getting laid. It certainly validates you as a valued member of any talkback. --d
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:42 p.m. CST
Leave "24" out of this.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:45 p.m. CST
by Cutter's Way
That's fair enough.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:47 p.m. CST
I did love the opening, and the makeup is good. But dammit, that kid was in SIDEKICKS wasn't he?
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:49 p.m. CST
by Hitman 739
Hi all, I'm wondering if any of you could help me out with a question. Is therea a way to download trailer's of this kind onto my computer? I still use a dial up so it takes forever to download them and then I can only watch it while I'm online, the second I sign off it's gone. Any help here? Thanks. If you could, reply to Hitman739@aol.com if you have any suggestions. Thanks again.
Dec. 18, 2002, 1:50 p.m. CST
by Beddy Sidious
About your 2xlaid last night ... sorry for running out the door without first cleaning off your back!
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST
The terrorists have already won.
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:17 p.m. CST
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:32 p.m. CST
I've said it before here and I'll say it again: Bad boys 2 looks to be as good as the first. The trailer was fantastic. Is tea leoni in it? Holy shittake mushrooms the car chase scenes steal the show. And having Martin and Will bark at eachother in the middle of a gunfight ALWAYS brings laughs. This sequal is garunteed. From the grocer. The swoopy-camera style shit was totally nice. AND joey pants to boot! what more could we geeks ask fo? Alas, who the fuhk is John Conner? REally? who? He seems RETARDED! and that emotion-less prude bitch T-X? Greeeaaat. She'll be a REally awesome villian. (right.) The effects here look (as well-stated by moriarty) like ass. Sad event, seeing this turn out like a straight-to-video. AND WOOT its TTT Wednesday! (see ya at the theaters on Friday!) I have to work ;(
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:32 p.m. CST
What is all this talk about T3 being rated PG-13!? It's seven months away from being released, you morons! We're aren't even gonna see a rating at least until the next trailer comes out! PG-13...ugh...I swear, some of you are such tools...
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:32 p.m. CST
T3 - laughable... the only thing going for it are semi-cool explosions... but knowing the potential of this universe, it pisses me off that they're even attempting this without Cameron. Mostow is out of his league. Arnie looks old as dirt. The T-X doesn't look remotely threatening (Robert Patrick was a God-send), John Conner looks like a crack head, and Claire Danes is as annoying as can be, why the fuck is she in this movie? I have ZERO expectations... maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. BAD BOYS 2 - I LOVE that fucking trailer... this is the Michael Bay I love, when he's not pretending to me some "artist". He's always been good with action, but now you can see how much BETTER he is... this is just a big, mindless peice of film meant to be enjoyed without any serious thought. Go with it. X2 - I dunno... the wire work looks like shit, the characters look ok. It could go either way. I'm not a big fan of X-Men, but I don't mind seeing them on ther big screen either.
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:34 p.m. CST
lessee . . . the bad guy is the TX, so I guess that makes her the X Terminator.
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:37 p.m. CST
Harry, sure, but Mori? Who knew?
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:41 p.m. CST
there's a flatulence nightmare I can do without! Thanks, Harold! I was gonna say if they called this the C-Men, you'd lap it up, but I've put up two stupid posts already. Well, three, now.
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:50 p.m. CST
Ok, this was attached to TTT (which was freakin incredible by the way), and when it started, my little heart jumped up and down. Then, it began. . . . . sigh. What's the deal with all those colors? I do believe it's a baaaaad sign when EVERYONE in the theatre is laughing at a trailer that is not supposed to be laughed at! OMG when Arnie said the now most shittiest line since Storm's in X-Men, I almost wet my pants. *sigh*
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:50 p.m. CST
did you not get your milk and cookie break from mommy, you pubescent retards?
Dec. 18, 2002, 2:59 p.m. CST
sounds like Harry is just a thorn in your side anyhow.
Harry, That, and the "Color" comment you made about Denzel Washington and the Manchurian Candidate is only serving to convince me that you are a racist. Quality of films aside, surely you can come up with negative things to say about a film without resorting to base insensitive racist comments. As an African-American, I was personallly offended by that. And as this is not just some issue of good movie vs. bad movie like other arguments on this website, I think an apology from you is not only appropriate but necessary. However, don't pull a Trent Lott, buddy. If you do have prejudices against African-Americans, don't back peddle or make half measures. Outrightly say it and let the world know yea or nay.
Dec. 18, 2002, 3:41 p.m. CST
T3: Straight To Video. "Hasta la vista, franchise."
Dec. 18, 2002, 3:55 p.m. CST
The only problems I had with either trailer was X2 features Kelly Hu as Lady Deathstryke, a part I would have cast Michelle Yeoh in instantly(she's more perfect than Hu all the way in that role), Nightcrawlers teeth(the poster image reminded me of the Norris head from THE THING. Does he file them down at the films end and keep the fangs? The surgical mask over his mouth in the trailer speaks volumes of how they fucked up his appearance to much), Famke's red hair(how do they explain the color change in the sequel?)....T3? Bad, bad, bad one liners, cool action sequences(except for the T-X running/leaping part), no Linda Hamilton and John Connor finally looks more like Michael Beihn and not that punk Eddie Furlong. Claire Danes is okay, but I want eye candy and teasing( I thought the T-X was supposed to look like an innocent school girl with uniform and all? Red leather and blue lights in her eyes?). Hopefully they'll retain Brad Feidel from the first 2 films(major mistake if they didn't). The Hunter Killer chase scene at Cyberdyne reminded me of the unfinished CGI rendering job on the fighters from THE 6TH DAY trailer. The final fighters in the film looked ultra realistic. Hope they finish it the same way. Overall...two decent trailers, but X2 wins out over Arnie's forthcoming film sequel.
Dec. 18, 2002, 3:59 p.m. CST
The line "Whoopsie daisy, it
Dec. 18, 2002, 4:04 p.m. CST
by Cash Bailey
Trevor Rabin is.
Dec. 18, 2002, 4:41 p.m. CST
by Surf Ninja
stealing comedy right out of the pages of Janeane Garofalo's work ay?
Dec. 18, 2002, 4:50 p.m. CST
Apparently, what's supposed to happen when T-X transform is that she becomes these miniature machines? It's laughable, and I don't know what they were thinking. I mean, if I were being chased down a hall by some oversized RC toy, I wouldn't run, I'd just stomp its case in. From what I've heard about the script, The story ideas are not of the best quality. If they are trying to follow one of the classics of sci-fi action with this, I really don't envy them. They really have a lot to prove.
Dec. 18, 2002, 4:55 p.m. CST
"X2" looks like it could/will easily beat the first one in the box-office ratings and stuff. "T3" looks like it could be a good popcorn flick, but the whole thing where Arnold shoots her with a rocket and John Connor keeps shooting her with a gun and the bullets do nothing reminds me too much of T1-1000, is she going to be made out of water too? "Bad Boys II" don't get me wrong the action scenes look awesome, but they make Martin look like in the first one as a sell out, where it's Will stealing the show. Why can't Martin have his own fun? Why is he condemned to buddy-comedy action flicks instead of just a action flick where he's calling the shots and doing the "Bang! Bang! You're dead" shit? I mean hasn't Hollywood realize that maybe Chris Tucker, or Martin Lawerence who are two funny black comedians could possibly hold their own as action flick heroes without a minority figure, or buddy cop to help them? I dunno just my two cents there.
Dec. 18, 2002, 4:57 p.m. CST
Ha ha ha ha ha !Kiss my Hobbit ass! TTT has 9.8 out of 10 on IMBD and a 98% approval rating on rottentomatoes. This thing is going to make $I billion and you are all morons if you think ANYTHING can compete with it. JACKSON IS A GOD!!!!!!!
Dec. 18, 2002, 5:12 p.m. CST
by Spelunker Gregg
Mistake me if I'm wrong, but the last time that occurred was in the Alamo Draft House. Harry, you got us warn us before you let those fuckers loose! Plus it's common courtesy to the guys in the Biohazard Suits from the US Army who work NBC.
Dec. 18, 2002, 5:22 p.m. CST
by a goonie
The T3: Rise of the Machines trailer looks pretty damn bad. Mori's Cinemax comment is just about dead-on. I mean, look at the photography in that trailer. It's boring as hell! Who the hell is the DP on this thing? I guess I'll have to go look that up... But yeah. Loken doesn't seem to have the presence that is required for a role like this. Sure, she's pretty, but this character needs a lot more than good looks. I like the idea of a strong female role, but then I remind myself of the first two Terminator flicks. In T2, Sarah Conner is an insanely powerful female individual. And here, we have an actress that doesn't look like she can handle the size of this role which by the way, is essentially a stupid upgraded version of the T-1000. So we have another Terminator that out-terminates Arnie's character, that can do cool shit? So what. Way to drive an idea straight into the ground. Nothing about Loken in this trailer tells me she can provide us with the presence that Robert Patrick did in the second film. Or anything close to it, for that matter. This trailer just looks like standard sci-fi action crap that makes one ponder where the hell all the money went into this production. Next July, Mostow might prove us wrong, but if this trailer is any indication, he won't.
Dec. 18, 2002, 6:10 p.m. CST
When did they get corky romano to play John Conner?
Dec. 18, 2002, 6:30 p.m. CST
...was cool as hell but the rest: A big fuckin peace of shit!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That shit was phukked up. Drug dealing KKK members? Oo-kay. Now I'm gonna have to go rent the 1st one; I never got around to seeing it in the theater. It does look kinda low-rent for our esteemed Mr. Smith these days, but what the hell, it'll be fun. It can't possibly be worse than T3, which in turn can't possibly be worse than Nemesis--or even as bad. Toppu o Nerae!
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:35 p.m. CST
Because a literal shitstorm would be very messy and would probably be on the news.
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:39 p.m. CST
The funny thing about Harry's girlfriend is that when the sun goes down she becomes surrounded by shimmering points of light that fade and reveal a bloated 300 pound woman whose hair has also changed to be like Harry's. I know because I saw it in a documentary called "Knrek".
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:46 p.m. CST
by Da Great AKU
Anyone else notice the flesh-colored face, with some kind of bad wig on top? What the frick is up with that?
Dec. 18, 2002, 7:55 p.m. CST
if mike wilde reads this he knows that the thought of arny on big screen for t3 brings tears to my eyes, sic transit gloria
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:06 p.m. CST
After doing MIB2, I'd say that anything afterwards would be advancement. Besides, Bad Boys was basically the movie that made him a star. A comedy/action star. Every movie he's been in (outside a couple of critically-acclaimed-but-not-enough-for-award-consideration box office disappointments) have been action/comedies. It's what he's best at, and it's what the country wants to see. And he has bills to pay.
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:21 p.m. CST
It'll be Alien Resurrection. I though Alien 3 was good, just really slow with a downbeat-as-hell ending (and a horrible job marketing the picture). Alien 4 on the other hand was tried to recapture the action of Aliens, only in one of the cheesiest ways possible. It was also a clear attempt at resurrecting a dead franchise.
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:26 p.m. CST
by Jack Parsons
That "Nigras" line was from the trailer,and it was funny as hell. "Nigras" was Dixiecrat speak for "niggers", back in the "State's Rights" political movement of the 40's. If you look at transcripts of Strom Thurmond's speeches from 55 years ago, the (obstensibly!) less offensive "nigras" was inserted where Thurmond actually said "niggers". Having the Bad Boys say "nigras" to the KKK was pretty damned deep: it slapped them on two levels, the actual use of "niggers" in their everyday speech, and the stupefying stupidity shown by the old KKK in the use of "nigras" in their published words as tho it actually was acceptable! In short, you didn't see the trailer, didn't get the fact it was a quote from the movie, and threw Harry into a nasty defensive position by accusing him of something he never said, and extrapolating it into some racist characterization that you have no evidence for. I've read Harry for years, and he's one of the good guys. In the future, do not accuse on the fly, do not "throw hand grenades into manholes", as it were, to stir up a controversy where none is warranted. It's manipulative behavior, and it's nasty because the accused has to grovel in abject apology when he was, as it were, merely crossing the street in front of you. You're looking for a fight. Take the anger to the GOP: we need energy against those "state's rights" apologists.
Dec. 18, 2002, 8:57 p.m. CST
I'll probably end up seeing both, and liking X2 more. At first I didn't like the music score for the X2 trailer, but then I realized it gave a comic book sense of suspense to the whole thing, and that gives it the extra kick the original X-Men movie was missing the whole time. And those action shots are sooo cool, especially the haunting last shot of Magneto and his ominous statement "The war has begun." Awesome! Meanwhile, the Terminator franchise has just become derivative, and is basically just making yet another typical sci-fi movie (that happens to have a mammoth budget). No originality here. I'll probably see it, but just for the action, nothing more.
Dec. 18, 2002, 9:42 p.m. CST
T3 Absolutely terrible. Is there anything in this movie that even approaches "original"? I didnt think you could get much worse that the circa late 80's 3D of the teaser trailer...but this gets pretty close. It may help if they got a villain that was remotely intimidating. BB2 Rocks. Girls, Ferraris, Guns and Miami...it's gonna be like a big screen version of playing Vice City. And I agree...Michael Bay back to what he's good at. (Special forces always emerge out of the water in slow mo with laser sights) X2 Also rocks. Great action, great actors. An intelligent script, pacing and direction. You'll actually get a story with all the special effects!
Dec. 19, 2002, 12:06 a.m. CST
These two fuckwads, "harry-ass" and "morifarty" don't know dick about movies! God, if they could only friggin' learn to write proper English! Go back to school and stop wacking your puds, dumbshits!
Dec. 19, 2002, 12:19 a.m. CST
Everyone in the theater seemed to agree with me: people were snickering, someone behind me said, "That's a rental, maybe." I too, God help me, also enjoyed the Bad Boys 2 trailer; it was funny and had some amazing stunt scenes. Whatever you think of Michael Bay, the guy makes goofy action flicks better than most.
Dec. 19, 2002, 12:33 a.m. CST
T1 was a perfect minimalist stalking movie with a surprisingly cool sci-fi twist. T2 was a great blockbuster ride, and was surprisingly smart at times. T3... ah, I'll watch it on a Tuesday afternoon, on TNT or USA.
Dec. 19, 2002, 12:44 a.m. CST
by Super Mendez
After COUNTLESS shitty movies it had to happen, Arnold, put on the old leather jacket for old times' sake and toss out a couple of one-liners. And to think, people want this guy to run for governor of California, no, seriously. Guess they didn't catch End of Days, Collateral Damage, Junior, shit, do I really need to go through ALL his shitty movies? I'll just list the good ones: T1, T2, Conan 1, True Lies. Hey! we're done! But, I'm a sucker, I'll watch it. I'll be damned if I pay for it. I'm sneaking in after I watch X-Men 2 for the fifth time.
Dec. 19, 2002, 12:47 a.m. CST
Blah I have nothing to add
Dec. 19, 2002, 12:58 a.m. CST
by Heywood Jablowme
Fucking pricks couldn't leave well-enough alone. A female terminator?!? WTF?! This sounds like a good idea for a T.V. series on USA, not the bookend to one of the greatest sci-fi films in movie history. I'm not paying to see it. Fuck 'em. Someone said Arnold for governor? Sweet Jesus, have you seen the guy's movies? And that's his fucking career! He is considered a professional actor, it's on his W-2. If he's so lousy at this, what the fuck would he do as governor? However, I digress, T-3 will be lukewarm against the competition and Arnie goes politics all the way, mark my words.
Dec. 19, 2002, 1:03 a.m. CST
So far, this film DOES look like some sort of Cinemax late, late movie premiere. It's bad, really bad. I'm urging to go back and watch the T2 trailers because that was good stuff. Also, for the record, Robert Patrick could kick this supermodel's ASS! Patrick was sinister. He had the look, the walk, and the body language. He genuinely threatening. This T-X looks like a REALLY bad idea. Also, whatever happened to "nothing dead will go"? The T-1000 was probably able to simulate living skin/tissue, and thus, was able to use the temporal transporter, but this T-X doesn't seem like it can do that. Can this thing be worse than "COMMANDO"? I fucking HATE that movie! It's a load of horseshit.....just like this trailer. Plus, where's the drama in this trailer? They just go ahead start talking about "a new Terminator". We want story, not character exposition, or big explosions that we've been desensitized to for years on-end. Like I said, calling this thing a B-movie right now is an insult to the King of B-movies....Bruce Campbell. This thing DOES look like Cinemax material. Whomever hired Mostow is an idiot! You've got great action directors like John McTiernan, Renny Harlin, Richard Donner, Tony Scott, John Woo, and the list goes on and on. Why hire this under experienced fool? From the looks of this trailer, he hasn't a clue what he's doing. I just want to hear James Cameron pan this film when it comes out. That'll show 'em ALL! Now, as for the X2 trailer: dull. Another MTV-style trailer. Quick cut after quick cut, and MY GOD is that "MAY 2ND, 2003" splash across the screen the most OVERDONE thing in trailer history. The BIG musical stinger. GIANT letters across the screen. Total crap there. Just by seeing this trailer, I know extremely little about this film. I hate the fact that they're reusing villians so damn quickly. Where's Mr. Sinister? Where's Apocalypse? Where's Juggernaught? Where's Alpha Flight? Also, on the heroes side...I WANT BISHOP! Next to Gambit, he's my favorite. Wouldn't this be the perfect time for him to appear? The mutants are under military attack, a presidential assasination attempt occurs, and well, he does come back to stop a member of the X-MEN from betraying the group. Show me a peak at Gambit, would ya'? Nothing exceptional here in this trailer. As for BAD BOYS II? I love the first, and this looks like it'll deliver just as well, if not better. Also, Rollins is bad ass, don't trash him. Yes, Smith should get top billing, but they did the same thing for the original. And as for Martin Lawrence only being in buddy cop movies or being some whacky-ass character, well, does he bother to pursue anything different? I mean, he's in ANOTHER buddy cop flick with Steve Zahn. The only difference? They're security guards pretending to be REAL cops. Anyway, T3 looks like Cinecrapx, X2 looks like nothing special, borderline boring/bad, and BB2 looks like good, fun stuff. Took 'em seven years, and it already looks well worth the wait! -NJM
Dec. 19, 2002, 2:43 a.m. CST
by Dookie Nukem 2D
1st off, just saw The Two Towers and it was great, better than the 1st in installment. No X2 trailer. Bad Boys 2 actually looked ok. Now for the crap...good lord...Harry you are a fucking idiot if you think that festering pile of PG-13 shit will come close to being any good. Fucking Arnold..what is he doing, no Cameron...don't sign for a sequel, but Arnie needs a hit movie...don't he now. I was optimistic about the whole T3 thing, I even forgave the whole female terminator bullshit. I will not see a PG-13 Terminator film...what is the fucking point? Why PG-13? Why? Soooo more kids can see it? See it suck fucking ass? Only movies guaranteed to kick ass in 2003 are the Matrix sequels, X2 and the 3rd installment of LOTR. The Hulk has potential and so does Daredevil.
Dec. 19, 2002, 2:52 a.m. CST
He is an action director who can direct big ass action movies. With Pearl Harbour he was making a drama/romance and that's why it was shit. Will Smith is coming back to this 8 years after the original when he can now do just about any movie he wants yet he chooses to do this one and in turn help out Martin Lawrence's career. I pray to God that everyone comes back for Bad Boys 3. Oh and did everyone notice Pantoliano is back. Or what about HENRY FUCKIN' ROLLINS!!!
Dec. 19, 2002, 2:54 a.m. CST
I have a question about the movie these trailers preceded, TTT. (Pardon the unrelated subject but I have to know!) SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER I haven't read the book. But if Aragorn knows Wormtongue is with Saruman, why does he BANSISH him instead of KILLING him to prevent him from giving secrets back to Saruman? END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER
Dec. 19, 2002, 4:06 a.m. CST
such as lack of convincing characters and avoiding cliches in his movies. I hate that fucking camera movement of his where someone would say "I'm gonna go to the store" and then you see a big enlarged picture of the store be panned away from the camera real fast with quick cutes to the characters.
Dec. 19, 2002, 4:41 a.m. CST
by The Founder
X2 looks great, and I hope the story is up to par, but my complaint is they have more characters then Logan to focus on. Storm, Jean, and Cyke deserves more then 10-15 minuates of screen time in a what will probably be a 2 hour film. Now despite my biggest grip, the trailer didn't tell much about the plot, but it looked cool non the less. The Twisters alone sold me on the movie, and it's how Storm should be. Didn't see much of Jean, but i hope she's improved as well. Harry is to much of a nit picking fan boy(LORD KNOWS WE HAVE MORE THEN ENOUGH ALREADY UPIN HERE) his gripes are minor, I mean Harry hates the way that Pyro uses his power?? I think some allowences can be made for a feature film, because one of the things that I didn't want to see was Jean's glowing red TK energy that's in the comics, I would to look cheesy. The sooner die hard nit picking fans get over the fact that the movie isn't going to be the way you imagine it should, the easier you'll enjoy the movie. Nightcrawler's teeth are to sharp, Jean's red hair is different from the last, the costumes are gay, Cyke looks like Gambit, Wolvie looks to clean cut, the X- Jet isn't black enough, They should have used Michelle Yeoh instead of Kelly Hu, I hate the way Pyro uses his power, The wire fu is bad, X2 will suck because the trailer didn't get much audience reaction, blah blah blah, GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY, these are minor and pathetic complaints, jeez it's never going to phucking be as you imagine it! DAMN, I see the endless complaints are about to start again, here comes late 99-July 2000 all over again. I liked the trailer, and I'm seeing the movie. T3 looks to be mediocre by the trailer, but I'll give it a chance, since the movie is still a good amount of time away. Bad Boys2 looks good, and I enjoyed the first one so I'm there. Calm down some of you, these are just movies, although i agree that their really isn't a need for T3, except for the sake of money, and Arnold's insane paycheck alone make me question Hollywood's logic?? Arnold hasn't had a good streak at the Box office for a while, but yet these studios keep pouring above 100 million into a project with him hoping they'll strike gold I assume. Oh well after T3 they'll get the picture, but in the end Arnold is still the winner with his 30 plus million paycheck. I too would milk those Hollywood suits for all I can, especially the damn WB.
Hi can anyone help me? Every time i click on a quicktime movie trailer all i get is a white box, where trailer should be. I keep on reinstalling quicktime but the white box still appears. If anyone knows how to help, please email.
Dec. 19, 2002, 6:08 a.m. CST
Can anyone help? I keep on getting white boxes when i click a quictime movie trailer. I keep on reinstalling quickime but probelm does not go away. Please email with suggestions.
Dec. 19, 2002, 8:14 a.m. CST
Racist? What the fuck are you talking about? Assmonkey more like...
Dec. 19, 2002, 2:24 p.m. CST
and also "Whopise-Dasiy is the nigras!" is the funniest line in that trailer.
Dec. 19, 2002, 3:49 p.m. CST
A "hearse" is something you put a stiff into (insert joke here please); a "hearst" is that cunt that went crazy in the 70s.
Dec. 19, 2002, 4:39 p.m. CST
C'mon is this a saturday morning cartoon. Just imagine what Cameron would of come. He must be cringing at the trailer. Anyway I might watch it anyway, too bad.
Dec. 19, 2002, 6:13 p.m. CST
What sucks is that even though T3 is gonna be a turd, we're all going to see it at one time or another. It's like the new Star Wars films - even though they're shit, you can't really escape them...
Dec. 19, 2002, 8:46 p.m. CST
by Jack Burton
Bad Boys 2 looks big and dumb. perfect for a saturday afternoon. The first was enjoyable, this one should be super charged. Just check your brain. T3: I agree with Moriarty. It looks cheap. I know it's not close to done but some of the effects looked bad. (TX jumping from the grass to the car, flying robot with twin missiles) and, I'm sorry, but Arnie is looking old. Who knew the T100 aged? Unfortunately it looks about how I thought it would. A misquided attempt at resurrecting a franchise that should have stayed respectfully dead. Just call it "Terminator-Resurrection" and catch it at the dollar theater a month after release. X-Men 2 looks a lot better then the 1st.
Dec. 19, 2002, 11:21 p.m. CST
by The Assmonkey
Dec. 20, 2002, 3:46 a.m. CST
T3 seems like the shit I expected it to be, BB2 is your typical brainless Bay film (could be entertaining, but is still dumb as hell), and X2 looks kickass. Harry, what is your problem? Granted, some of the wire-fu wasn't brilliant, but I'll wait to see the finished product. And the complaint about Pyro's powers? Please. First of all, even though I enjoy Pyro's more elaborate stunts, I don't think they're necessary here, mainly for 2 reasons: 1) he's young and not as good at manipulating fire as he'll get. 2) they're panicking and fighting for their lives. You tend to do things in a fast and straightforward way in those situations, not show off your talents going "look what I can do... ooh, a lion" like some damn balloon twister at a kid's birthday party. Also, who's to say there won't be some more elaborate fire thing in the end? I can remember the bitching about Cyclops' optic blasts being just a red glow in the first trailers, but they just hadn't done the FX yet. So there could be something there in the end. ***By the way, I'm hoping those Beast and Gambit fight scenes are still in the movie. ***And to answer the questions on where Furlong and Hamilton are: yes, Sarah Connor is dead in the film, but she was originally supposed to be in it. Hamilton turned them down, because she thought the script was lousy and was also not going to do it with Cameron not directing. As for Furlong, there have been rumours that the studio were worried that he might have substance abuse problems, but Furlong has stated that he thought the script sucked balls and was further discouraged by Hamilton turning it down.
Dec. 20, 2002, 6:12 a.m. CST
I'm going to ask about the "Old School" trailer instead. That scene where Luke Wislon is confronting Juliette Lewis about cheating on him, and she says "I'm really sorry"- then she sort of leans her mouth to the side and looks like she's spitting something out. Is this supposed to be a pubic hair joke? I ask because I've seen the trailer with a full audience and NO ONE laughed at this, even though I think it's supposed to be funny. This is a green band trailer too, so I'm surprised the MPAA let this through too, unless they didn't get the joke either. For anyone that's seen the movie, am I on the right track here?
Dec. 20, 2002, 8:52 p.m. CST
If James Cameron's name was on this movie you all would think the trailer was awesome and you all know it. You have a "film geek" agenda here and that agenda is to hate this film. IT"S A TRAILER MAN. It's supposed to TEASE the movie. And guess what...it's the second highest testing trailer for Warner Bros in the last five years. Only Harry Potter tested higher. So gee, I guess these guys actually know what they're doing. Don't quit your day jobs
Dec. 21, 2002, 12:55 a.m. CST
Ahem... You lil fanboy bastards need to get a grip. A 2 minute trailer does not equal a bad film. As for the comments on the "whole theater" laughing their asses off at the T3 trailor, I'm sure that has less to do with the actual trailor than it does with the warm tingling sensation of pissing your pants in girlish anticipation while you get ready to suck Pete Jacksons johnson. Jon Mostow is a more than capable director, and once this film does come out I'm sure it'll be no box office slouch. All the rest of you LOTR fanboys that decide to skip T3 I'm sure it'll be more for the fact that you need to save up to buy a new deck of Magic cards, or a new Dungeons & Dragons game book, rather than the 2 minute trailer you just saw. Peace I'm out.
Dec. 21, 2002, 3 p.m. CST
First, sorry for my language knowledge, I am from Czechia. What's wrong with this trailer? It has everythig what a real action/scifi movie needs to have. Have these "intelligent" critics already seen Solaris where the name of Mr. James Cameron is mentioned as a producer. It's a big flop if I'm correct, very boring movie. Why do you still thing Cameron would make a great T3 while Mostow is uncapable bastard??? Watch it just again - that's an excellent trailer with all aspects of a great film. Perhaps, some of you are a little bit slower when thinking and giving your opinions, the reason of this one was NOT to give you much about the story, it was just an information that you should be ready for fast action and (sorry to say that) for great effects. By the way, have you seen Spider Man?After one hour the half of cinema was empty and the second one was just laughing to the really stupid story and funny special/visual effects (as a comedy it would be great, hahaha). Or X2, is that really great trailer ??? Uff ... Or Matrix II+III trailers - Mr. Reaves jumping up & down, how clever! All that critics perhaps have their personal problems, but I strongly belive ALL of them will be there opening weekend.
Dec. 21, 2002, 4:08 p.m. CST
God help us all.
Dec. 21, 2002, 4:10 p.m. CST
of someone posting on the AICN message board, and calling others geeks?
Dec. 21, 2002, 11:09 p.m. CST
How can you trash a movie by just looking at a 90 second trailer. I can't believe how easily gullible people have become. You read some rumors on AICN which are totally false and without a shred of merit and everyone starts blasting a half-finished movie. Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! How easily you fools are manipulated by Harry- like sheep being led to the slaughter. If you thought objectively for a second you would come up with your own fact based opinions. But since this is beyond your ability I will break it down for you piece by piece. I will mention the negatives and the posotives of T3 and you can come to your own conclusions. Granted this movie has some negatives like Cameron not directing but it also has some posotives because Cameron has given Mostow some help writing the script like bringing back Lance Henriksen's character (funny cop with all kinds of stories from T1) in a wheelchair. He was shot by the T-800 in the police station in T1 but survived. And John Mostow is no slouch as a director- believe me he can hold his own. The other negative is that Sarah Conner is not in the movie but the posotive thing is "she'll be back" as flashbacks and this was confirmed by Arnold himself. The other negative is that Edward Furlong is not in the movie because of drug problems. But again this is actually a blessing in disguise because they got a better actor in Nick Stahl and if you have any doubts about his talents just check out "In the bedroom" Also he looks more like the John Conner of the future at the beginning of T2 than Edward Furlong ever did. Also from the trailer I was shocked at how he resembled a grown up version of Edward Furlong's character from T2. The other negative is no Brad Fidel composing the score. This was dissappointing to me because I loved the Terminator themes that he created, especially the metallic sounds he used. But again the posotive thing is that they got someone more talented to replace him in Beltrami. You might remember him scoring Blade 2 which was done very well. He also stated that the classic Terminator theme created by brad fidel will remain but he will also add some cool new themes especially for the T-X. So I think some new blood in T3 will help more than harm. The other negative surrounding this film is that it will be rated pg-13. That is false as Arnoldfans.com has stated that it will be R-rated and that's from Mostow himself. T3 also has some clear advantages. 1)T3 has a 170 million dollar budget (the highest budget ever greenlighted by studio executives)making it the most expensive movie ever made. 2)It has Academy Award winning creature effects master Stan Winston creating the Terminator endoskeletons which he did for T1,T2,Aliens and the Jurassic Park movies among others. 3)T3 has ILM doing the special effects(The man who supervised Attack of the Clones' effects will healm T3's effects). 4)It is a 250 million dollar franchise that has never disappointed the fans and with its reputation and built-in fanbase its hard not seeing this movie making 200-300 million at the box office. 5)Its got Arnold playing movie history's most infamous villain/hero again. How can you not be excited by that? And as for the trailer I thought it was off the chain and then some. Everyone is "bitching" about the "female" Terminator. I personally like the new twist. After all do we need to see yet another T-1000 or something like it.Besides she has new powers that will make the T-1000's liquid metal manipulation look laughable. I saw more large scale action sequences in those 90 seconds than I saw in the whole Matrix movie so I know this film is gonna blow me away as far as action is concerned. The only unknown is the plot and story. But again we won't know that until July 2 2003 so there's no point worrying about it. And If Mostow's previous films "Breakdown" and "U571" are any indication, the story and plot are gonna be great if not brilliant. These are the facts people, not some rumors Harry made up- now you can make up your own minds. Personally I think this movie is going to be just as good if not better than the previous two.
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