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STAR TREK NEMESIS Review

STAR TREK NEMESIS is a still-borne baby. The film is lifeless, fragile and heartbreaking. You watch as something you love just lays there without so much of a twitch of life.

The trailers were the ultra-sounds that gave me hope. In the trailers I thought I detected ever so slight motions and life. These tiny glimpses of life in the effects – a captured moment here or there… It made me dream that a new Star Trek would be born screaming into our lives with the promise of future years of development – instead the tagline: A GENERATION’S FINAL JOURNEY… BEGINS also ends with this film… hopefully.

The most embarrassing moments have been taken out of what might have been, but the flat line of energy drones ever on without dipping or spiking. A monotonous hum of boredom that made me want Star Trek dead for a generation grew up inside of me.

Sometimes as a farmer you plow the crop under and you just let nutrients go back into the soil. Sometimes you do this for a season or two. A period of time where new ideas can germinate with new crops and new pursuits. Because right now, Star Trek has gone to the same field to plant it’s infertile seed too many damn times.

From the first flaccid intonations of Jerry Goldsmith’s worst ever Star Trek contribution, you know this is bad. His score feels like its 17 musicians plus Russell and his miracle Casio keyboard backing it all up.

Patrick Stewart has grown tired of this. He no longer seems to find any of this endearing. There’s one moment of cheer in his face while driving that ridiculous vehicle that made me see Stewart shine. It’s a brief moment – and it is all too fleeting. Throughout this film Picard seems to be going through the motions. – Oh here I go getting rid of Number One – I really must give a terribly written half-hearted speech about hating to see him go Now I must ambiguously end this so they can once again dredge me back up if they must. In all – it plays about as exciting as all that.

Jonathan Frakes has three faces. Happy, Smug and Determined. They all belong on television.

Brent Spiner is the real tragedy of the Next Generation. Here was an actor that I feel genuinely showed promise, yet has been given zero development to work with. He just doesn’t have much of anything to do here. He has the same bank of faces and ever so not so subtle hints of humanity – feelings of isolation and loneliness, of not being in on the joke, yet always willing to sacrifice for others. I’d kill to see Brent be given dramatic non-silly bullshit parts in a quality film. I think he has potential to actually be more than he’s been.

LeVar Burton is not really in this film.

Michael Dorn’s Worf is now being played like the stereotype of the drunken reservation Indian. He’s pathetic. A joke to everyone. Just absolutely embarrassingly awful.

Gates McFadden, lovely as ever, has absolutely nothing to do.

Marina Sirtis is the worst regular working acting professional in the history of Star Trek. Her seductive come hither of Riker in their bedroom made me think of the old shower hag in THE SHINING or this one lady that Quint and Tom Joad ran into at a gas station in Atlanta that apparently offered a blowjob and a watch for $10. Just ew. You could tell she was absolutely uncomfortable with the scene. The bad lighting on her PSYCHIC EYE moment is among the most ridiculously awful lighting in the history of cinema. They were getting that sort of thing right in the silent era, and they couldn’t get it right now? What the fuck?

Tom Hardy’s Praetor Shinzon – I love it… Here’s this skinhead from Remus whose big bit of evil is… “I’m you and You’re me!” Oh wow. I’m so threatened. The adolescent version of myself wants to kick my ass. If Picard was an ounce of the man Kirk was, as soon as lil bitch version of himself showed up, he’d kick-start the prick’s jaw and piss in his tank! The bullshit stuff about – “Other than the broken nose and cheekbones I suffered we look EXACTLY THE SAME” crap -- Oh, I love a movie that points out the exact problems with the make-up – but then does it wrong. So Shinzon was the one with the broken nose? His nose was perfectly straight and Roman in shape – whereas Picard’s is the one that looks like it might possibly have been broken at some point. His whole Snidely Whiplash – I’m evil because I’m him bullshit was terrible. The biggest problem is he looked like a punk. Not only could Picard kick his ass in that plastic nightgown he was wandering around in, but when his chemotherapy look starts happening, a suckerpunch to the gut would’ve doubled lil bitch in two.

Dina Meyer – Ok, so you hire an absolute goddess to wear the shittiest clothes on television… I mean Film… you cover her face in the worst make-up work I’ve seen in film in perhaps15-20 years. Here’s the girl that was wonderful in STARSHIP TROOPERS – ‘remember the shower scene?’ and you just give her a bad Liza Minnelli hair cut – actually – it is more like those Mod Wigs you could buy in 1966 at the Five and Dime in October. Again – she has nothing to do.

Oh… and then there’s Ron Perlman. Ron is a great character actor – a great makeup actor. We’ve seen how he just transforms inside of great makeup into characters we love, but here… One his make up is shit. Two – his character has shit to do. This was just sad and tragic and just awful. At least Ron gets to do HELLBOY next – there he has great makeup by Rick Baker and a real director and a real script. You’ll see what he can really do there.

This film is just complete lameness with the exception of Digital Domain’s visual effects work… Other than that – the film is shit.

It amazes me. They go from TV to film – They go with DIGITAL DOMAIN instead of the TV effects folks, so they want to improve – but do they go to a Stan Winston or a Rick Baker or a Weta for their makeup? Oh god no. Do they even try to blend the shadows on the Romulan faces? No. Other than Shinzon’s advanced whatever problem makeup – it all looks like crap.

The singing is random and serves no purpose other than to be Cute Data moment number 844521. The car is stupid… Oh here’s something…

Ok, remember how the Federation has a rule about non-revealing to pre-Warp societies? Well, this film, they find out there be Android parts on this planet. Instead of setting up an away team with surgical work done to look like natives of the planet. Instead of beaming them down for however long it takes to find out what the Android parts mean and study this new culture to report back to Starfleet and the Federation. No, this time they just Fly down in a shuttle craft with a big jeep style car in it with a machine gun laser gatllin gun on the back and they send the Captain – a Klingon and an Android down - All of which don’t look a thing like the indigenous people on the planet. Blatantly disregard all protocol for Starfleet – which this whole film is taking a crap on btw. Just crap.

Then there’s the big – let’s use the Enterprise as a blunt instrument and ram the other ship. OK… Never mind that they have 70% shields and you have none. That you’d probably just break up on the shields. Let’s say that the ‘slow blade passes’ rule applies and that’s not a problem.

What’s the basic purpose militarily speaking with RAMMING another ship. Go back to Roman and Pirate times. What’s the purpose? One is to cause HULL DAMAGE, the second is to follow-up with boarding parties to seize control of the other ship. This is STANDARD MILITARY POLICY in regards to RAMMING! We see tons of Starfleet personal with rayguns – of course they never do anything… Of course Picard decides it is best to send just one person over there. God forbid we escalate the thrills and chills. God forbid you use the crew you have to mount an all out attack. I mean, it is only the sake of mankind at stake here. Sending just the captain to abandon his ship in crew… well that makes shitloads of sense. Especially because he’s the one person that can save the enemy from dying, and so long as he’s aboard the Enterprise and alive – Earth is not being attacked. BUT HEY!!! Why nitpick?

Because STAR TREK fucking deserves better than this shit. Because this shit is just awful. Because this doesn’t work. For brief moments we have cool space stuff, and woo hoo, COOL SPACE STUFF, but god damn it, let’s have some decent character work. A compelling story. Direction from something other than a blind nanny with zero sense of decent style. This film is ugly, bland, non-textured and just boring.

That’s the grand Romulan Senate Chamber. Looks more like a tiny committee room. Where’s the majesty of the Romulan Empire? The Romulans in this movie look like extras from TEENAGE CAVEMAN that got banished to a bad movie.

The lighting in this film is bad, the makeup is bad, the acting is bad, the story is bad, the action is adequate, the space stuff is cool but uninvolving beyond eye-candy, this is just a waste of resources, time and money. Berman must go. He really doesn’t know what he’s doing at all here. They defuse every moment of tension with an escape clause in case there’s a sequel, which is actually at this moment the best bit of tension they have created with this film… the fear that there might be another.

P.S. -- Saw a note in Talk Back that wanted me to put this in perspective of the worst Trek films. Let's see that would be STAR TREK V (directed by Shatner and ambushed by Paramount), STAR TREK GENERATIONS and STAR TREK INSURRECTION. I personally feel that STAR TREK INSURRECTION was the worst Trek ever. This film is just like STAR TREK INSURRECTION but just cut out the most embarrassing moments. STAR TREK V is laughably bad - to that point that you can have fun with how bad it is. STAR TREK GENERATIONS is mediocre. So I'd put this as my second least favorite of the series. Personally I'd put David Fein in charge of the Franchise. Afterall he was able to transform the Best Flawed Trek into something MAJESTIC - Imagine what he could do from scratch!

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  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Does anyone REALLY still get excited about these anymore?

    by LawnWrangler

    Damn I hope I'm not first in a Star Trek talkback...

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:33 p.m. CST

    but harry, what did you think of it?

    by mrfloodle

    don't hold back on our account.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:34 p.m. CST

    So you didn't like this movie?

    by IAmJacksUserID

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:37 p.m. CST

    LOL!

    by Xfonhe

    Damn, tell us how you REALLY felt about 'ST: Nemesis' ;)

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Damn..

    by metsrulein2k

    it's a shame the movie wasn't any good. It had tons of promise and the story looked pretty good. Hopefully we'll see a Star Trek movie with some balls one day, one that can really threaten Wrath of Kahn for best star trek movie, but its probably just wishful thinking at this point.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Let's not forget

    by Greenebow

    Harry absolutely adored the abortion known as "Attack of the Clones". Grain of salt anyone?

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Well, this sucks!

    by Bad Guy

    Of course, this is just Harry's opinion, but he does seem pretty pissed, doesn't he? What the hell happened to the odd numbered ST movies vs. the even numbered ST movies rule? This was suppossed to be one of the good ones! Shit!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I didn't see INSURRECTION

    by Nordling

    although I'd like to see this. However, I probably won't because there's just so many other films I'd rather see first. ADAPTATION, TWO TOWERS, GANGS, CATCH, CONFESSIONS... There's just no time for it. And I think Patrick Stewart has already jumped ship (no pun intend-, aw fuck, yes, it's intended) to another franchise. And it saddens me to hear that Worf is basically playing the token role. Worf was always one of my favorite characters in the series and I thought he was compelling. Not on screen though, he's just become comic relief. NEMESIS will wait for me. But I'm not sure it'll be around when I get to it.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Way to go, Harry!!

    by Darth Phallus

    This should shut up all the nay-sayers who say you only give good reviews to films that advertise on your site. Nice to see you just rip into something that you could have just as easilly given a so-so review because they advertised. Shows ya got heart! (Maybe it even goes so far as to erase a paragraph or two of that embarassing Blade 2 review? hmmm maybe not! lol) Alas poor Star Trek, we knew him Horatio, a fellow of infinite intrigue and intelligence and guts and real cast of compelling characters who actually had chemistry and we cared about them. Ever since the original cast split this has just been a bad t.v. show on a movie screen. The aging baby boomer cast are even less interesting now than they were ten years ago on the boob tube. Thanks for the warning Harry, like you, I was tantalized by the effects shown in the trailer and now I'll save my dough. I'm so ready for TTT and GONY that I don't need to see a pile of shit like this apparently is beforehand. I don't want to have any kind of cinematic bad taste in my mouth prior to the feasting!! AAARGH! HOW MANY MORE DAYS??

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:46 p.m. CST

    How would you compare it to the rest Harry?

    by coop

    There have been some shitty Star Trek movies (The Final Frontier), where does this fit in the group? Obviously it sounds like this does not make the even odd rule for you, but is this just bad movie in comparison to LOTR? or is it bad in comparison to the other Star Trek films? Any Trek geeks here see it? what's the word?

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Well ouch. Guess I'll see Treasure Planet instead.

    by Drath

    Shit, there was a time I'd be outraged to read this kind of review of a Star Trek movie, but I'm so used this kind of thing being true that I'm apathetic. I'll probably see the thing on DVD, but I hope Harry that you were just in a bad mood for this one. I'm more anxious to see Treasure Planet, which I hope will do better as we get into the kids' Winter Break. By most accounts, it's the kind of film Disney should make more of, and it needs to perform better for that to happen. Really, I'm amazed how detached I feel right now about Trek. You can only be let down so many times before you stop caring, you know? On with Farscape and Firefly!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Everything I expected and feared

    by ewem

    I've been watching my DVd's of the show and it's really a revelation to see how far in decline Trek has been since this show was on. Harry only confirms my fears and instincts on this film since day one. Everything he says matches what I have been hearing and reading everywhere else. Is it as easy as blaming Berman anymore? I mean, what the hell happened? I really think a new "Save Star Trek" campaign needs to begin, because this just dowright grevious and wrath inducing. I may not even see this film in the theater. I may rent it on DVD when it comes out so I can mourn and fume in private. Be prepared to attend a funeral when you get ready to go see this. Very, very sad.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Been dead a long time

    by kingofcanada

    Should we be suprised that Star Trek is dead? Don't you remember the last movie? They gave Worf a fuckin' ZIT!!! Nothing should suprise you after they reduced the "strong" character in their universe to a running gag. "Hey, what can we do next to immasculate Worf? Let's make his Klingon dick fall off!!!" This shit has been on the way out for a long time. Too bad Star Wars is shit now too. I guess we leave or fanboy fortunes in the hand of people like David Twohy and hope that all space movies won't sucj sit for the next 20 years.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:55 p.m. CST

    That's too bad :(

    by tigerwolf

    The trailers looked a little iffy, but I was holding out hope :( Insurrection had a few plot holes, but it was still a fun, well crafted film. Too bad they went with a no-talent writer and director. I

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Bummed out.

    by Gabba-UK

    So very bummed out. Geez, Harry is so bloody right about Berman. HE HAS TO GO from film Trek at least!!!! If any of the execs at Paramount have any sense (hands up those who think they have) they will ban him from film versions of Trek. His strength's are in TV. DS9 was great. Voyager filled a gap. Enterprise shows promise. But his film Treks are crimes against film. The only people who should have anything to do with film Trek are the actors. Get a crew who work in TV and you get a feature length episode but with better effects because they get Digital Domain or ILM to do the FX. Get some proper film makers and proper film script writers and you will get a good Trek film

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7 p.m. CST

    HEY! Shinzon stole Faith's Knife!!!!!

    by BJC0410

    You know the one the mayor gave her... I'll stick to Firefly.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7 p.m. CST

    Forgot to say...

    by tigerwolf

    I'm still seeing it. It can't be as bad as Generations...or Episode Poo, can it? Besides, I'll pay $5 to see Picard again on film.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:01 p.m. CST

    HEY! Shinzon stole Faith's Knife!!!!!

    by BJC0410

    You know the one the mayor gave her... I'll stick to Firefly.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Harry's reviews

    by Celtican

    I seem to remember Harry saying he 'loved' The Phantom Menace and we all know what that film was. Face it Harry you can't review a film to save your life. This film may be a turkey and I accept it if it is but in my opinion you go and see a film (before everyone else) and then have to make a decision. The decision is whether to be honest or go with the public sway. If you gave this film 5 stars thumbs up you would have been crucified for it so you're just playing it safe. i doubt whether this film is as bad as you say even if it is the rotting corpse of Star Trek. How I felt disallusioned after seeing TPM even though you had given it a good review. Are film companies paying you for your reviews? Do they tell you what to say? Please let us know

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is not dead.

    by DarthMaul13

    If it was dead, AOTC wouldn't have made $308 million, dumbfuck.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Um...

    by tigerwolf

    Who was talking about Star Wars? Anyway, I've always thought Berman didn't have a clue what Star Trek is. At this point though, I'd be scared they'd get someone worse :(

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Wait...this isn't a Star Wars review?

    by _Mohss

    Could've sworn it was: cool space franchise wrecked by middle-age, unenthusiastic director. Maybe between Berman and Lucas they can knock their heads together and crap out something half decent. ;)

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:09 p.m. CST

    How utterly moronic.

    by Nordling

    You slam Harry when he likes something. You claim he's playing to the masses when he doesn't. Give me a break. So what do you claim? Do you claim Harry actually LIKED NEMESIS? Is he taking a piss? Why bother posting such a review? No one likes to write about a movie they didn't enjoy. It probably seems like a waste of time. Either way, how the fuck do you know what he thought? Jesus, just move on already, isn't there a puppy that needs kicking somewhere? Asshole.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Tell us what you REALLY think

    by Heckles

    Wow. Looks like this Trek incarnation won't be in Harry's collection any time soon. Since I'm a Star Trek mark, I will see it. Truth be told, Trek has never been known for its acting. When you have William Shatner delivering the most heart-felt moments of the franchise, you know there's room for imrpovement (well, the Spock memorial from ST2 still chokes me up...) Whenever I read movie reviews I am left wondering whether or not the reviewer had certain expectations going into it. Now, if you're expecting A-List acting in a Trek film, of course you're going to release a barrage of venom about it in your review. If anyone does shell out their cheese for this flick, I would just try to let it appeal to what makes you a Trek fan, and wax about the political undertakings going on behind-the-scenes later. At any rate, for better or worse, Trekors will still flock to see it and Rick Berman will still screw strippers on top of big bags with dollar signs printed on them. Oh, and I give 10-1 odds we have Jeri Ryan in the next film. Her, uh, lovely attributes can easily generate another $15 million domestic. Meanwhile, somewhere out there, The Great Bird Of The Galaxy tries to fly farther away from his creation gone awry.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:23 p.m. CST

    I feel sorry for the ST fans

    by Miss Aura

    They are due a good film and it never happens. I agree with Harry on the worst trek film and after all this time, they should have a biggie to end the series. I hope they do make a great one to finish with but if this bombs, its bye bye to Star Trek films. Which would be a pity.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Ditto Nordling Re: How utterly moronic.

    by jasher78

    Ditto. A lot of holier-than-thou, d!p$h!t$ around here. Great review Harry, Next Gen has never held a candle to Orig.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Damn-it

    by Russman

    And I was looking forward to it too. Now I may wait till after Christmas before seeing it. (sigh) Why don't they just hire one or two of the TV show writers (out of the ones that were responsible for some of the better TNG episodes) and get them to write it. To this day when I watch a rerun on TNN I still smrik and laugh at some of the lines that were tossed about and still love the stories that were told. Is Lore Dead? Is the Crystiline Entity Form dead too? (forgive me it's been a few years and I forget). Oh well. At least we'll have LOTR, Matrix and then Farscape in January. (sigh) So dissapointing.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:31 p.m. CST

    So....this.was.....bad?

    by Smugbug

    Or let me be more specific here. Shit? Crappola? I think I might have missed the point.....:-)

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Harry......

    by ManosTHOF

    The Gurney Halleck / "Dune" reference made that one of the best reviews ever for that line alone. And on a sad note I think it is a shame that this is the best movie they could do. I love Star Trek, always have, but I think there comes a time when the magic is gone and the jig is up. Of course, that time came and went years ago. We are talking about a franchise that once won Hugo awards and had good scripts where humour came from situations, not at the characters' expense. I'd take 10 seconds of Spock and McCoy arguing over several films of Data's now tedious and unbelievable naivete and picking on poor Worf. Amen to the poster who mentioned that.****** On the good side, the ST4 DVD sounds to be balls-out as far as features. "Just one damn minute Admiral!"

  • Every movie on their banners have bombed violently. Star Trek's fate has already been sealed...

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:32 p.m. CST

    sweeeeeeeeeet

    by Lelon

    i honestly can't remember the last time harry was right about a film. its almost like everything he says is the exact opposite of the truth. nothing gets me more excited about a movie then a negative review from harry.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:35 p.m. CST

    harry, if you hated Nemesis,...

    by cyber

    why put ads for it on the site? You never actually said what you thought of the movie. So what did you think? Personally, Im seeing it no matter what you say, and judge it for myself. At least you didnt really spoil anything that happens.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:38 p.m. CST

    A little perspective

    by Respect The Cock

    This is from the guy who posts rave reviews of EPISODE ONE and TWO...which means NEMESIS must be fucking brilliant. I'll be in line this weekend.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Go see Equilibrium instead*

    by Outshined

    nm

  • That frickin dune buggy thingamajig just sums it all up. embarrassingly bad. Just stop please.............

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Nemesis Reviews

    by gojira

    Not that Harry is wrong on this film (as a Trek fan I hope that he is) but reviews for ST:N from Hollywood Reporter and Variety are a bit more encouraging. While they aren't saying its a great film they do seem to indicate that it gets the job done as an entertaining ST film. I do agree that the franchise needs someone else at the helm other than Berman. Wouldn't it be great if they could get Joss Whedon!!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Waste of money?

    by The_Fredo

    While I'm not surprised (I'm sorry that trailer did not fool anyone), I find it a shame that Star Trek may die a horrible death with this movie. I also dislike that Paramount has been shoving this movie down everyone's throat, while beter movies have gone unnoticed. *cough*Below*cough*Equilibrium*. Honestly, go see Equilibrium and avoid paying the 7-10 dollar fee to hate yourself for watching Nemesis.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Gas Station in Atlanta

    by expendable48

    Oh man. I think my cousin was telling me about meeting that same woman.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Ugh. Why does AOTC seem to ALWAYS come up no matter what?

    by E.C.

    1. Please, for the love of god, stop bringing this up. The topic of discussion is STAR TREK: NEMESIS, you. Fucking. Tools. Go to metacritic.com, and see how many fucking different reviews you see on films that may or may not be good. 2. The Yoda fight ALONE makes AOTC a fucking classic. The Yoda fight ALONE.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 7:55 p.m. CST

    "It amazes me. They go from TV to film

    by BEARison Ford

    it's called "we're running out money in the budget." i havent seen this movie, and i probably won't, but it's kind of amusing when harry poses these questions in some sort of non-objective world he lives in. hey who wants to bet that if the same makeup effects were used in a robert rodriguez or guillermo del toro flick that harry would not only be praising them, but consistently making up more and more excuses and reasons for why they might not be up to par?

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:08 p.m. CST

    AOTC ? For that matter

    by Thorn MS

    I want to see Picard come in and break up a fight between Riker, Yoda, and Kermit the Frog. Riker, getting bitch-slapped by Yoda for painfully poor acting, and Kermy doing him from behind. "Number 1, you're getting it in the #2!"

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Verbal attacks

    by Celtican

    Why is it you can't express an opinion anymore without some geek blasting you for it? Some sad little Texan thinking he's cool cause he's got attitude? Go back to St. Pius X High School tomorrow and ask about learning respect for other peoples views. After all that's how wars start.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:13 p.m. CST

    It has to be better than AOTC or TPM

    by Maximus21

    Nowhere to go but up

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:27 p.m. CST

    I'll wait until I see the film to reserve judgment but......

    by Red Raider

    ...when I heard that when director Stuart Baird was hired he kept referring to Geordi LaForge as an alien! Levar Burton said he had to correct Baird on several occasions, reminding him that LaForge is indeed human. You know a movie is doomed when a director doesn't even know the characters he's going to direct! Anyone who's seen a "making of Jaws" special knows that! The original director chosen for Jaws kept referring to the shark as a whale! The producers corrected him on that, but the guy kept calling the shark a whale. The producers finally showed the guy the door, and thus brought Speilberg in to direct. "...and the rest is history...!" Again, I'll judge once I've seen Nemesis, but I have to say this... *ahem* MEMO TO (P)RICK BERMAN: Why in the hell would you hire a novice to the world of Star Trek, such as Stuart Baird, to helm what is obviously a major threshold to the future of the Star Trek films??!! I understand that one major motivation would be to inject some fresh blood into the franchise, but at least hire someone who knows at least SOMETHING about the world of Trek! If Harry is correct, and this movie tanks, I blame Rick Berman and the man should be shuttled via a security golf cart and have his fat ass kicked off the lot! I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!!!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Re: Nemesis Review

    by jorson2

    I read the script and enjoyed it -at least the experience. Granted, it pales miserably before "Wrath of Khan" or even "First Contact," though what Trek movie hasn't paled miserably before "Wrath of Khan." But Harry's vehemence in disliking this movie strikes me as childishly bitter - like he's intentionally caving in to calm down the naysayers who imply he's a sellout for writing positive reviews of, ahem, studio films that advertised on AICN. If he values "Star Trek" so much, why doesn't he amplify his complaints by contrasting Nemesis to the BEST Trek moments as opposed to just comparing it to the worst? Otherwise, it's a waste of time and space to read a negative review of a movie in a franchise the reviewer seems, from this review anyway, to have little love or respect for in the first place. I've always believed that on some level, with a few exceptions, Harry and the reviewers on this site - however enamored they have been with films like "Star Wars" or "Indiana Jones" or other studio fare - are or feel so close to low-budget, independent films and their makers that they feel it would almost be a horrible betrayal to praise a big-budget Hollywood movie that aims more to entertain (especially younger viewers who don't NEED excesses in vulgarity and sexuality) than to teach or recreate reality to the point of redundance. And if it's done, it's often with some sort of disclaimer such as "the character development is why it's so good" or "it's Disney in the classic Disney tradition" - or it mirrors or echoes similar films made with far fewer resources that have been beloved for decades. The main reason I think there's so much support for "Lord of the Rings" and the WETA(whatever that stands for)effects company, besides the fact that "Fellowship"'s splendor and craftsmanship is impossible to deny even for laymen to the material (like me) or even movie-haters in general, is its literary value and half-century-or-longer popular life as literature, its implementation of ancient mythological themes and mysticism and, thus, its thematic ancestry and similarities to "Star Wars," the lesser of the two to a majority, probably. Plus, Peter Jackson isn't, to my knowledge, known as quite the "effects-concerned" director that someone like Spielberg or even Michael Bay is with the exception of LOTR. In closing, if you want to take over and destroy the current Hollywood system, do it. Form a "film mob," "grease" some execs, raise money to pay publications, television stations and theater chains NOT to advertise big-budget trash. I'd say good riddance, for the most part. Otherwise, in the light of these movies' box-office returns and the faces of people who actually know how to make money in this industry, reviews like this and the people who write them (though I admire Harry for other things he's done with this site, so I'll make a little bit of an exception there) look, to me, almost as or more ridiculous as the movies thay bash.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Well... Bag it and tag it...

    by Zone Zero

    Log the time. Star Trek Died as soon as this movie hit the projector. Talk about let down. But, then again, I haven't called myself a trekkie for a LONG time. There's going to be a lot of 'em crying in ther starfleet uniforms as the casket rolls by. Game over, fanboys, it was fun. Don't let the door hit ya where the targ shoulda bit'cha. I'll just watch my Dr. Who dvds with a friend who's also tired of 'trek, and wonder where have all the tribbles gone?

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Ouch.

    by Evil Chicken

    Smack my bitch up. Oh the hopes I had for this flick. Well... we'll see.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Such venomous hatred, it must be decent at least

    by parnellbc

    Whenever I read such a biased one slanted reiview, here more than anywhere, I often find the movie entertaining. Note I didn't say Oscar worthy but entertaining. Entertainment is the top goal of any movie. Say what you will about 'Insurrection' but it wasn't as god awful as some of you insist, hell even ST:TPM was entertaining--these weren't the best in their movie series but not the suck fest some here think. Back to biased reviews. I wonder if based on previews, prior reports/interviews or "insider" news how high some reviews expectations might be. Lets face it come 12/18 there will be talkbackers in here saying how "LOTR:TTowers" is the worst fantasy movie or some other such crap. Me and my pals will be seeing this movie regardless. Actually this is the only ultra-uber negative review for ST:N I've seen. Some other reviews found things they'd have changed or improved but not bashed like Harry just did. Makes one wonder why no one else found this movie as bad as Harry makes it out to be. Must mean its going to do well by the STrek standard. I predict 90-100 million regardless of JLo's bootylicious competition in "Maid in Manhatten".

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Hey, Celtican, you are a moron ...

    by Lou C.

    .... if you don't care what someone says about film once they've seen it (this is called a 'review'), why do you bother reading it? someday, someone will explain to me why they get pissed off at Harry for writing his opinion on a movie he's seen. Who cares if he loved Armageddon? I like Armageddon. So what? See, that's a personal choice. Just because I like, it doesn't mean YOU have to. Personally, I've pretty much always thought these Star Trek films were a boring waste of time, so if this film is so bad that it kills it off, well, great. But I'm not gonna begrudge someone who loves Star Trek. sigh. Oh well. Maybe Harry should post the definition of "Opinion" at the top of his Web site. Then we could eliminate half the posts on this damn thing.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:49 p.m. CST

    whoa

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    I saw this on monday and found it to be a great Trek movie. It ain't perfect, but it's still alot of fun and Deanna Troi is awesome in this.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Have I stumbled into some alternate universe or something?

    by jackburtonlives

    wow, this is like one of the old star trek episodes. i expect to see Spock walk in with a goatee or something. People are shocked and cannot believe that the new STAR TREK movie is absolute crud? Say what? THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A GOOD STAR TREK MOVIE IN THE HISTORY OF CINEMA! i don't know why AICN even bothered reviewing it. A cursory "NEMESIS: usual crud" would have sufficed. If it were actually good... now that would merit a review!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:49 p.m. CST

    MORIARTY! Where are you??!!

    by Robnhud

    Harry's review wasn't much of a review at all... mostly ranting about how this was shit and that was shit. Moriarty will at least sound like a competent reviewer. Regarding Harry's reviews.... if it ain't LOTR, it's shit.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Harry must care about Star Trek and not Star Wars

    by teiresias

    It's obvious Harry doesn't give two shits about Star Wars, because you don't see him saying Star Wars "deserves better" than what it's getting with the new trilogy, because it obviously does! Oh, but I forgot, Berman's not sending him women like his sources at Lucasfilm are (which are getting arrested a few months afterwards no less). This review is too bitter, and far too negative to be taken seriously.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Nice review, Harry. It kept me reading, and many reviews on thi

    by RoobyRoo

    Have you taken a writing class or two? Because compared to your older reviews, this one is downright Moriarty-ish.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I wonder if some of these people blasting Harry are...

    by Ribbons

    Well-placed Paramount plants. After all, desperate measures for desperate times.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:14 p.m. CST

    In response to Lou C

    by Celtican

    Harry watches a film. Harry writes a review. Underneath the review is a message board. This message board is for people to air their individual opinons. I am entitled to criticise Harry cause I don't entirely believe many of his reviews are from the heart. In my opinion I believe he may be gaining finanically from giveing a good or bad review. But that's My opinion. I dont patronise Harry for his reviews. I don't call him an asshole. I don't call him a moron. I just post MY opinion which I am entitled to. Everyone is entitled to, it's called free speech. I read lots of reviews on this site because I am generally interested in what people think (Harry included). If I disagree I will post. Most other people disagree and post too and many times get slammed by people like you. If you don't like what I have to say then don't read my post. Don't denegrate someone you don't know and never will know because they have an opinion of their own which you don't agree with.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Celtican

    by UncleTravis

    I agree with Celtican. I'm sick of people slamming others cause they have an opinion. Get a life and live with it. I think Harry get's it wrong so often I wonder why he's held in such esteem.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Nice review harry.

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    Did the briefcase of money arrive late or something?

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I don't expect anything good from Berman or Braga. All that I c

    by brattain

    Really, how could anyone be surprised that a movie done by Berman is bad? This is the same guy who thinks music should just be wallpaper that doesn't bring any attention to itself. This is the same guy who thinks DVDs shouldn't contain deleted scenes. This is the same guy who let the writing staff of DS9 go and KEPT Brannon Braga. He had full control over NEM. Of course it isn't good.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:28 p.m. CST

    All good things...

    by Silvio Dante

    There was too much damn hope invested in this one - even if it's decent, it will seem a let down. The scale of it isn't exactly the same as with Star Wars prequels, but anticipation level seemed pretty high this time around. So what to do? Vote by not buying the ticket? Online petition to get Berman fired? Excersises in futility - this franchise is the borg. It will go on like it or not. I'm trying to like it but hey, I might just wait for the DVD if the reviewers are along Harry's lines. Although they probably won't use comparisons of stillborn babies and farmers and soil and shit.I half suspect that if Harry would have been in a better mood, he would have liked the movie for the exact same reasons he loathed it and then justified it in his review...but the other half knows better.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Bring Back Nick Meyer or Harve Bennett

    by PaulMrStarWars

    Berman is just a TV hack. Spock should fire his sorry ass out the photon tubes into a black hole. I bet he would as well as he was less than happy at the part offered to him in ST7 & passed even though they wanted him to direct the thing he told Berman the story sucked so he wanted a rewrite (way to go Nimoy). Ever since ST6 the movie series has gone down like Divine Brown. ST7 had terrific VFX some cool scenes between Picard & Kirk but killing Kirk to bury the TOS was a real dumb move. Since then Berman has nixed any comeback for Shatner (I wonder if Berman nixed the ST5 DVD with enhanced VFX as well). Apart from Kirk/Picard/Scotty/Chekov the rest of the acting sucked which is why I guess Berman axed the Kirk Orbital Skydiving scenes in the original opening as it highlighted the chemistry between Kirk/Scotty/Chekov and as he was determined to bury TOS anything which showcased this had to go otherwise the audience is gonna ask themselves these guys were good why do some of the other actors suck. Good TV actors don't always belong on the big screen people and that's a fact of life. ST8 is great however with once again terrific VFX & the production values were good (for Trek) in places. The lame scenes of Cochrane taking a leak or Troi getting drunk however once again revealed Berman's talents (or lack off). The greatness in 8 must have been sheer fluke though as... ST9!! WTF were they thinking with this lame ass story which would have even sent people to sleep if it was a TNG tv episode. IMHO this is the worst movie in the entire series by a long way (I'm talking light years here). At least ST5 had solid Kirk/Spock/McCoy scenes in abundance. Once again Berman showed his true colours and demonstrated his total lack of awareness/clue/idea of what makes a good ST movie (or movie period). Now they wait 4 years (according to Berman to fuel fanboy desire to see another) then hire Logan (talentless Mr Star Trek gushing fanboy). Gladiator had an average at best script (Scott, Crowe and the other actors elevated the material). The Time Machine Remake contained Logan's next oscar worthy script opus didn't it? This should have got the alarm bells ringing @ Paramount. Obviously Berman was busy taking it up the ass from the guy so loved the script (in fact he probably bit down on it so they couldn't hear him in the other offices!). Then after seeing the completed film Berman panicked as his ass is now on the line (whats left of it that is) so he tells Paramount to put ads in the trades for oscar consideration a few weeks ago. Pure corporate bullshit smokescreen, you can just imagine Berman thinking surely the film going public will fall for it won't they as no-one is gonna pay for ads if the film sucks (note to the suits if your reading this for your next creative decisions the audience is very saavy nowadays we can read between the lines and most of us know when your riping us off). Another clue here to the trouble ahead is that Frakes couldn't even be bothered to turn up for the premiere last night. The 11 Mins Startrek.com webcast of the premiere contains the other TNG actors and not one had anything positive to say. Dorn/Burton & even Stewart sounded like they were putting a brave face on for the cameras. Even Genius Overlord Supreme Being Darth Berman sounded less than enthusiastic. Baird did a great job on Executive Decision and has saved many other Paramount films in the editing room (MI2/Face Off/Tomb Raider) so the mountain must have thought he could save Star Trek from sucking... TTT will wipe out this movie @ the BO. What were they thinking putting it out on Friday 13th (another Paramount run it into the ground until its dead jim franchise). Perhaps Paramount could sell the ST series onto Miramax or someone so they can get Kevin Smith, Jerry Zucker or the Wayans to spoof it up AT least that would be entertaining and worth some movie$$$ Paramount should just give Meyer whatever deal he wants (a sherlock holmes movie should do it). Even Bennet's unfilmed 1990 Star Fleet academy script about how Kirk/Spock meet would be something worth doing next. Or Gene's time travel to save Kennedy idea he could never get made. ST2-6 were solid movies (even 5 contained great character arcs). If you listen to Meyer's audio commentary on the ST2 DVD you will know he is a very intelligent guy. It's time for the mountain to ask him to save ST again. Hell a Kirk resurrection movie where Spock finds someway to get him out of the Nexus would find an audience. It will never happen though as Shatner/Nimoy both say they have retired from Starfleet now but I bet the $19M (WTF) Paramount gave to get Spiner & Stewart back would have got all 6 TOS actors & change. Gary Sinise (in makeup) would I believe be able to do justice to Kelly's beloved Mccoy (the resemblance is definately there just watch some of De's early westerns and the face is a close match). Failing that just get Nimoy/Shatner and a host of unknowns if the other 4 TOS cannot stand being on the same stage as Shatner again. I read somewhere that Paramount have spent $40M promoting their new Star Trek Merchandise Advertisement (I believe its called ST Nemesis). Perhaps they should have spent another $20M on the actual film and only $20M on advertising but hey that would then meant trusting ST 10 on delivering the goods and regenerate the movie going public's interest/goodwill in anything Trek related. I bet the suits @ the mountain are gonna get a shock when TTT opens as no way will a poor ST film have legs once it drops after 5 days and you have a crowded marketplace with several quality films to watch. They may just about get back their budget ($105M) once the worldwide returns kick in early next year but that's it. Here's to the R rated Jeri Ryan ST movie in 2 years time...

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Bring in the DS9 team, they know how to do good trek.. Praise JE

    by TheMatarife

    I hope to god if this movie sucks its the last nail in the coffin for Berman and Braga. I hope it is still good though. Praise god for DS9 on DVD!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:48 p.m. CST

    who cares?

    by ZO

    star trek sucks

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:49 p.m. CST

    funny, these quotes say otherwise.

    by solaris555

    This guy is bogus. It's not like he has any credit left anyway. Check out these reviews, I suggest you all see this movie (this 'review' should not put you off) "Action, intensity, and loads of fun!" Bill Bregoli, Westwood One. "More than just a great Star Trek film-it's just a great film," Mark S. Allen, KMAX-TV/UPN, Sacramento. "Nemesis is Star Trek at it's absolute best! Spellbindng, amazing, and flawless... It beams the excitement to a whole new level," Earl Dittman, Wireless Magazines. "Full of dark surprises with a brilliant ending!" Sandy Davis, Daily Oklahoman. "Probably the best Star Trek film yet, and it's not just for the fans," Jason Rich, Star Trek Communicator. "Not since Wrath of Kahn has Star Trek been so good," Dan Deevey, Inent.com. "A darker and edgier Trek," Tim Wassberg, Inside Reel. "A tremendous Christmas treat," Audrey Berard, Radioscope. "Star Trek Nemesis is a thrilling adventure that will have your heart racing at warp speed," Tony Toscano, KJZZ-TV/IND, Salt Lake City. "One of the best Star Trek journeys ever. The crew returns in one of its most unique journeys. This intergalatic adventure has it all: cast, effects, and a great story," Jim Ferguson, KMSB-TV/FOX, Tucson. "Most exciting Star Trek since Wrath of Kahn," Larry Evans, Space News. "Great action sequences," Katie O'Grady, KPTV-TV/ABC, Portland. "Great stuff for virgin Trekkies. Jean Luc Picard is one sexy beast," Jade Alexander, WFOR-TV/CBS, Miami. "Even if you aren't a sci-fi fan, you'll love Star Trek Nemesis," Guy Ferris, NWCN, Seattle. "A new frontier in action movies. Brilliant!" Liam Mayclem, KRON-TV/IND, San Francisco. "One heck of a thrilling ride that will keep you on the edge of your seat," Bonnie Laufer, Tribute TV, Canada. "Goes where no Star Trek movie has gone before," Thomas Chau, Cinema Confidential. "Beam aboard for tons of action and lots of fun!" Neil Rosen, NY1. "The franchise is alive and healthy. Warp speed to theaters," Mose Persico, Entertainment Spotlight, CTV Montreal. "The best Trek in years," Steve Iervolino, Launch Radio Networks. "A great adventure Star Trek fans will love!" Victoria Snee, KDAF-TV/Dallas. "I liked it better than Star Wars," David Moss, WJW-TV/Fox Cleveland. "The best Next Generation film yet. Brent Spiner may be the first Star Trek actor to draw legitimate Oscar consideration," Teddy Durgin, Flickville.com.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I Will LOVE Star Trek No Matter What...

    by CHEWBLACCA

    ...Nah,I'm crappin' you double negative.Trek really has turned to shit.It saddens me to accept this.Those fuckers never should have killed off Kirk. That Vulcan on ENTERPRISE is hot as fuck,though.C'mon,you've got to give them that.All praise the unitard! LIVE LONG & WEAR OUT YOU'RE WELCOME!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:55 p.m. CST

    The new star trek movied aren't as bad as everyone says...

    by Craptastic

    they're worse

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 9:57 p.m. CST

    By Kahless! nothing could be worse than 'Insurrection' and 'The

    by nazismasher

    Trek films have become something of a tradition for me, so I'll still be seeing this one with some hesitation. I just I hope I won't have to invoke tradition as an excuse stepping out of the theater as I do stepping in.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:03 p.m. CST

    First thing's first: I HATE A LOT OF YOU PEOPLE.

    by gurglesnap

    Seriously. I just despise you. Stop saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over again. If you're going to be a moron, at least come up with an engaging, new way to do so. This actually ties into why I like the Star Wars prequels but think that the Star Trek movies have sucked lately: Sure, the Star Wars movies are pretty sub-standard in a LOT of ways, but they're still moderately interesting, even if sometimes only for the ridiculously poor editorial choices that are made. Example: Jake Lloyd/Hayden Christierandnadson/Natalie Portman/etc has just delivered a terribly wooden line that sounds like it was read from a cue card off camera: GEORGE LUCAS: "CUT! Okay, that was good enough! Let's move on!" WHAT?!? "Good enough?" How hard is it to get a decent line reading out of a relatively professional actor?? Hey, do two takes! You just might strike gold (perhaps striking bronze is the best we can hope for at this point...) Anyway, Lucas has an endless number of resources to draw from, and he really doesn't have anyone to answer to, so there are still outlandish choices and decisions being made in his

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Interesting...

    by 20th Century Fox

    ...review Harry. Lord knows i've been somewhat critcal of your reviews in the past. But here I think you nailed the problems...As I was reading your review I was struck at the delcine of the franchise but then I realized that the ST franchise success were really more to do with timimng than talent..._____________________________________________________________Lets think back to the early 1970's lets face it folks ST was the ONLY game in town for TV SF shown consistantly with a growing fan base. Why? It was THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN. So when the movies began in the late 1970's ST became a true franchise. Why? Cause outside of Star Wars there really were not any. More to the point Paramount itself did not have any thing else with the poetional of a ST-like francihse. During the early-mid 1980's we got a new Trek film Paramount needed the money they generated and we movie goers got pretty good stories (ST:II-IV. Also with STAR WARS going into hibernation the ST fils were truly the only SF francihse in town that everybody could see due to its PG rating. But by the late 1980's Paramount got greedy they Launched TNG on TV. As we know that had a distinct effect on ST:V. Yes ST:V Story sucked but with TNG bringing us movie quality effects every week it made the flaws of ST:V more apparent and ate into its box office. Sadly we were so wooed by TNG's FX we really didnt noticed the lame acting poor scripts and the fact that they had to hit the reset button at the end of every hour. While this was happening other SF franchises were popping up from other studios and Paramount was able to launch other francihes than Star Trek (Misson Impossible, Beverly hills Cop, Jack Ryan to name a few) As the ST francihse became saturated in the pop-culture Paramount realized that the audience had peaked began to start cutting back. This is why Berman was kept. Why the makeup/lighting/sets look so awful, why real new blood (Just having Stuart Baird is not enough) wont happen. Paramount realises this franchise has peaked and budgets accordingly. I doubt Lansing, Dolgen et al will fire berman. Its cheaper to keep him and have run this into the ground with decling budgets put the money on the next MI film (which makes more than the last two treks) than on Star Trek. So what should paramount do? Fire berman and put this francihne on a long (i'm talking 15 year) hyper-sleep get new blood (i.e. No Berman No Bragga, No Moore) and try anew with the films ONLY! send all hate mail to bankofkev@hotmail.com

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Wordy Mc Word.....

    by deftone

    To whoever mentioned that they get a little happy tingle every time they see a bad review from Harry and a bigfat warning klaxon when they see a good review. I do too. (Armagedon, I'm looking right at you) This makes me think I might actually ditch my rather boring and ill kept date on Friday night for some Trek time (I was saving it for Saturday afternoon) because to me, a shit review from Harry means I'll be happy as a clam.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:20 p.m. CST

    poor Harry can't win

    by Anakin722

    I really feel sorry for Harry. As another talkbacker pointed out, the poor guy can't win. If he likes a movie, he's accused of being a corporate shill, if he dislikes a movie, he's accused of being less than honest. And the great and shining proof of Harry's sellout status, the holy grail refrerred to over and over again by indignant talkbackers, is the fact that Harry accepts expenses paid trips to movie sets and then unabashedly loves these steaming piles of shit. Well, let's take a look at three set visits by Harry that I can think of off of the top of my head: 1.) Lord of the Rings: is anyone going to actually try and argue that this film is actually BAD and that Harry's set visit caused him to give it a good review when he should have panned it? Doubtful, since practically everyone here recognizes how incredible this movie is. 2.) Armageddon: this is the most oft-cited example of Harry's supposed duplicity. Yes, Harry went to the set. Yes, Harry liked it. Yes, Harry cried. SO FREAKIN' WHAT?!? I liked Armageddon too. I don't think it's a masterpiece like LOTR but I didnt feel like I wasted my money. And while I didnt cry, many people in the audience that I saw it with did, indeed cry. 3.) Rollerball: this is the one that the naysayers try to brush under the rug because it blows their argument totally out of the water. Harry did indeed receive an expenses paid trip to schmooze with director John McTiernan, yet despite all of this, Harry absolutely panned the film. Hardly the actions of a corporate shill. Keep up the good work, Harry, and keep the reviews coming.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Um....ok-ay then?

    by deftone

    Narsil, if no one in their right mind would put up with a mixed cast please explain why the last movies have been a Next Gen cast, why they made a movie after fans WENT TO SEE GENERATIONS and why Star Trek shows that DO NO include the original cast are still on. I geuss myself, and several other tons of people are just totally insane!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Poor Harry Can't Win

    by PaulMrStarWars

    Anakin722: I agree with most of what you say. I also cried watching Armageddon. A lot of people I know did the same. IMHO Armageddon is a great popcorn movie. I think that Harry's reviews most of the time are spot on (perhaps that's why some studios hate him so much). If he were really taking bribes to promote a movie he could have sold out years ago and been a multi-millionaire by now. If this were the case would he be wasting his life away watching/eating/living movies all the time. Don't think so. The most disturbing thing to me is that a lot of the Talkbackers appear to be studio plants judging by their comments. In fact whenever someone flames Harry they may well be giving their studio plant undercover identity away! Harry if your reading this please keep up the good work.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:52 p.m. CST

    The proper way to end it all.

    by MatherGeek

    Why didn't they just admit their mistake in killing Kirk in "Generations" and bring him and the rest of the crew back for a grand send-off in this one? It would be easy enough to do considering a cosmic being like "Q". And you could even tie it in to TOS by having Q actually be Trelaine or one of the other omnipotent beings the origional crew met in their travels. How about the entire Q cont. has gone insane on a universal level and is fucking with the space/time cont. causing all sorts of paradoxes which easily (ha!) explains why Kirk is back. You could also use this excuse to bring back any number of villans from any Star Trek incarnation including Kahn, (And seriously, how much could Ricardo Montalbon be asking for an appearance these days?) which would easily guarantee that every ST fanboy would go see it 3 times at least. And if you throw in the writer and director from TWOK (sorry I'm a casual fan) and throw a little money at this sucker, you would have a 150 million dollar movie and the chance to rejuvatate this franchise. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I had to vent a bit. How about some more ideas for a good ST:TNG send off, just for shits and giggles.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I know this is a Star Trek talkback, but since everyone keeps br

    by Three Quarks

    ...why don't any of the aliens speak in their own languages with subtitles anymore? As bad as Nemesis will be, I find it very difficult it will be so lacking in heart and soul as Luca$' prequals. Oh, and the best Trek movie was the fourth one. "KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHNNNNN!!!!" my ass. That said, none of them are very good anyway.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:53 p.m. CST

    ...if you really love the star trek story/universe

    by praly45

    ..you'll probably go see the film regardless of what harry or anyone else has to say. on a personal level, star trek has always been in my life: when i was 4 i remember eating pizza and having to sit on a small booster seat so i could see TOS our bar in arizona. i remember actually writing in my diary (and this is going to get me MASSIVE dork points) how much i adored wil wheaton when he was in ST: TNG. and i enjoyed ST:TNG again in reruns (also, i wondered what the hell i was thinking on the wheaton tip) when i got my first apartment. I've ALWAYS made a point of going to see the films with and only with my parents, who introduced me to the Star Trek universe. because of all these factors, and the fact that i'm actually fucking excited about the damm film, i'm going to go see it, whether or NOT harry likes it, along with any OTHER critic. i just don't care. i love the universe, and i've been totally excited to see it since i heard it was coming out. (not to say on another note my mom would possibly be totally pissed at me for NOT going with them) i do have to say that i'm glad harry didn't actually *spoil* the film as well as trash it--he would have doubly ruined it for anyone who loves star trek, who wanted to go into the film without being spoiled.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 10:56 p.m. CST

    why does this movie suck? i can sum it all up in 3 words.

    by exador

    no wil wheaton. well, thats just my opinion anyways... i was really loking forward to seeing his character again..even for a small moment. then i heard that rick had it cut out.....which pissed me right off...then i found out that he snubbed wil on the premier too.....apparently he'd told wil he was invited, and said he'd see him there....then ....nuthin....didn't invite him afterall.....now, think what you wil of wil wheaton, but man....thats just a shitty thing to do...period....oh, and i agree with the last few posts....i think a really good chunk of the 'harry bashing' around here tonight has 'plant' written all over it....keep up the good work harry....

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Who cares? 6 months until Episode I !!!

    by Sithlord_999

    Wait, wrong year. I thought I was back in 1998 reading a review of 'Insurrection'. What a shitfest- a terrible follow-up to the great 'First Contact'. Sad. Hey, and what's up with Picard's and Data's 'clones'? Why can't they pull a 'Khan' and bring back a great villain from the TV series, like Data's brother LORE or Sherlock's archnemesis MORIARTY (imagine, the holo-villain Moriarty searched the virtual Universe, flew from one side of the digital galaxy to the other only to find out he's been trapped in a computer all along, and realizing Picard got the best of him- and finds a way to come back- ??? But I digress.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:03 p.m. CST

    So a Star Trek movie sux?

    by prims

    What a surprise.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:14 p.m. CST

    But... it's an EVEN numbered Trek...

    by ElPuerco

    Aren't those supposed to be good? I thought that was a law or something.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Other reviews....

    by luckylucy

    Can anyone point me in the direction of the non-spoilerly good reviews mentioned earlier? (I think it was the Hollywood Reporter and Variety???)

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Does any company have less regard

    by FimbulWinter

    for one of its keystone franchises than Paramount does for Star Trek? I realize that Trek has been diluted and distilled to a point that is hardly recognizable to the average moviegoer (hell, the average Trek fan) but they've been playing to the cheap seats (the converts) for years by doling out episode after episode and spending about $5 on each one. Meanwhile, they look at their diminishing returns with each new installment and say they can't justify doing any more. However, say what you want about the new Star Wars films....the look and the feel of them and films like The Matrix, etc. are the standard for Sci Fi fantasy adventure. Acknowledging that (and someone seemed to), they go get Digital Domain and then hang them out to dry by hardly spending a dime on the rest of the production (it's apparent - even in the trailers). Hell, I can guarantee you that Paramount executives were thrilled that "Insurrection" was a Trek movie that they could largely film just a few miles outside of LA and pretend that setting 2/3 of the movie on a "magical planet" that looked like the California hills represented a cost savings unprecedented for a Trek or scifi film. Maybe this film is ok. I hated the concept when I first heard it but I was encouraged by the trailers and will still check it out but I'm pretty sure Harry is mostly right on this one (although it has to be at least a little better than he said because nothing is intentionally as bad as he made it out to be).

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Even Numbered Films

    by praly45

    Its totally in the lore that Even numbers are better (a big part of why I totally can't wait to go). Judging from the trailer, at least, its the best FX of any trek film to date, which is part of the reason I'm so excited--I've always wanted to see a Trek film with stupendous special effects....

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Worst ever Jerry Goldsmith contribution to Star Trek?

    by Amy Chasing

    I'm sure I read on soundtrackcollector.com that, and I quote: "Even the musicians themselves gave Goldsmith repeated ovations during the recording sessions and a triumphant round of applause on completion. This is unquestionably the most aggressive Star Trek score ever. Classic Goldsmith!" So who's right?

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Why?

    by Why?

    Do you use the term review? If the defintion of "Review" is a critical examantion. Why do you do not attempt that? Fine-it has been established by all the other "reviews" that you and these other people do not like Star Trek. Not one of these "Reviews" has any structure-just point by point attacks. I garner nothing about the film from what you say except that when I look at a still or scene I see with relief I do share your vision. You are indeed a master of word useage-you can emote over a tired Clooney remake or backflip on any film once you have been given your reward. I would have left this alone, but sadly some people without having the chance of seeing the film themselves-are for whatever reason reading this dressed up Bash and being influenced by it. I fell into to replying to this-the other "Reviewers" could not even get basic non fan information right-but thats not the criteria needed-no just a hate of Trek. If this is not deleted-I will know at least that you accept different viewpoints. Do one thing-do not review Trek ever again-leave it to someone with out bias.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Sellout...

    by Sofa King

    Harry's just giving this movie a good review because Paramount paid him. Oh, wait, nevermind.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah one wonders why Berman is still doing trek

    by TriMister

    It makes no sense. Enterprise is crap - talk about lamer for a captain. Quantum Leap was good for his persona but captain of the enterprise - c'mon - he's weak. But this Berman guy seems to revel in surrounding himself with weakness. I have worked in publishing, advertising and graphics for the past 15 years and I know the sort of person that surrounds themselves with sub-par talent: they themselves are so frightened by true talent that they cannot abide or are plainly frightened of anyone or anything that shows them for the losers they. The results speak for themselves - Berman is a hack. Toss him. Hell, kill the whole series for ten years or forever. DS9 really was the best post-TOS series. But that arc is done. They shoulda went with the time-cop theme, IMO. BTW, Weller rules! Smallville forever!

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:37 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure that...

    by snootchie

    Harry's review just showed someone who was tired of the franchise in general--it wasn't the review of someone EXCITED to see it at all. I'd pee-in my pants if I'd have gotten to see it early. Way I see it, it has the following going for it: -even # film -Digital Domain FX (the "I'm pissed I saw it on my computer and not on a big screen" trailer) -essentially the "final" one -positive reviews from Time and Hollywood Reporter That to me=pee in pants

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Harry at his BEST

    by KONG33

    Thanks, Harry. That was a great statement of what's wrong with the film, what's right and just a great straight-forward review.

  • What is there to say, huh? There are some people who like it, some who hate it, and some in the middle. Harry is nowhere in these groups. I don't know what series of Trek he watches religiously, but it sounds like he doesn't know Jack about TNG. I have heard it all before when TNG was on television. Friends and co-workers either praise or trash and bash the story of the week. But Harry just doesn't have the power to be in Berman's position. From the looks of his review, Knowles looks like he is a little agitated or unsatisfied. I have a feeling that Knowles just doesn't follow Trek that much/as well as the faithful fanbase. Let me ask you this: Has he seen every, and I mean EVERY episode of TNG, DS9, and Voyager at least 10 times? I have, even though I am no Trekkie nor studio plant. I enjoy Trek for what it is, not what it could have been. Should Picard have played Poker with his officers throughout the entire run of TNG? Fuck no! That was not his place because he is the boss-the captain. Should the Borg have been left out until the end of season three, only then to penetrate Federation space with no previous knowledge of it? So answer me this: Why should anyone question what is being put in front of our eyes? Huh. Should I create my own unique universe based on Trek and what I know of it? God I am pissed. You people who loathe, complain, get pissed, engratiate yourselves, and bitch about Trek/SW/LOTR need to focus on more important things, like your wife or g/f or something. I usually don't post any replies lately because I don't have the time (really I am bored with all the yelling and screaming), so this is why I am giving this lecture. I have watched TNG ever since 1989, and have seen every episode. It is definately the most comprehensive story-riffic Trek show out there. Then I started watching DS9. It started out slow, and then it picked up with story arcs that crossed many episodes. The characters of DS9 were the most interesting and varied. Voyager was an experience...I either loved a particular episode or I totally hated it. Unfortunately, the hated ones were in the greater column. After the series ended, I was pissed that they didn't follow their original story arc: Have the Maquis storyline progress through 2 or 3 seasons and show that there could have been some complications of the mix between Starfleet and Maquis crews. Chakotay started out to be a very interesting character, but he laxed a bit. Then Enterprise. It's a nice little show, but there's something missing - like the beginnings of Starfleet (other ships? Admirals?), the Federation (hopefully soon), important trips back to Earth and interesting encounters with some more TOS aliens (Gorn?). It's still too early to tell for this show though. Anyways, I look forward to seeing Nemesis and there's nobody who can stop me. ______---KNEEL---______ before Specialist Z0D ---->Oh and BTW, I couldn't care less about what other people think about my favorite things because I have always been like this. I am glad that I won't be with all of you soon because I will ship out to basic combat training in January so I can help protect those things you piddly asses complain about and hold dear about so much.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Harry's Wrong

    by Funketeer

    Frakes has *2* facial expressions. With beard and without.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:49 p.m. CST

    are people still talking about armageddon?

    by JustAnotherGuy

    that was one of the dumbest, cheesiest, and painfully awful movies of the decade. deep impact was infinitely better. but then again, I'm an idiot and I don't claim to know anything, so please ignore me.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Watch Farscape: Scifi done right.

    by SpacePhil

    The last half-season is coming back on the Scifi Channel in January; last hope for one last season is to bump up the ratings. Come on. Show the boys at Paramount you're tired of swallowing the same old shit.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Too bad Paramount didn't spend more..

    by whomod

    ..money on this film. I'd have really dug it if they'd overspent on this turkey and this film was the movie that destroyed Paramount. As it is this will just be another flop whose failure will be blamed on The Two towers, on 9/11, on Venus not being in conjunction.... on everything but Berman and his total cluelesness. No worries for me though, at least Trek and Wars are BOTH shit now.

  • Dec. 10, 2002, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Oh, and here's why they fucked up Nemesis.

    by SpacePhil

    You know how the producers kept pumping this up as the next "Return of Khan" ? Weelll, they forgot a little something there -- Khan had appeared before. The movie as a whole drew off established continuity. Fans like that. I like that. And more to the point, drawing off continuity gives you something to work off of -- some kind of form and structure that with a stand-alone film just doesn't have. Imagine how much this film could have kicked ass if they'd done it about Spock being on Romulus. Enough said.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, midnight CST

    The interesting thing to me about Harry's reviews...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...is that even when he has a negative opinion of a movie overall, he almost always manages to pick out some positive things to say about it. And those films that he likes that I'm lukewarm on? He manages to point out a few redeeming characteristics that -- if not functioning to sway my opinion -- at least convince me that his positive opinion has some reasonable foundation. But this review? Good lord, this movie must be awful. I was planning to see it Friday night based solely on the strength of that trailer (a major no-no, I know -- trusting trailers), but there's a strong chance I won't be doing so now.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Prala is a dork! Prala is a dork! Prala is a dork!

    by gurglesnap

    AREN'T YOU ON THE WRONG MESSAGEBOARD, CORRIE?!???

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:13 a.m. CST

    I agree with you SpacePhil

    by Z0D

    That's one thing I look for most of the time: continuity. One episode linking up with another even if it's just one line spoken by a redshirt. Having the 'Unification' story continue would have rocked the god damn house...fuck. Glad you brought that up because I did think about that before. Just think, if they would have went along with this story line (or some variation of it) having a TOS character aboard for the whole thing would have made (more) dollars and sense. Even Cmdr Sela could have been brought back as the mastermind behind this 'clone' and Reman stuff. Hear us Paramount?! Get rid of Berman and bring either Michael Piller and/or Ira Steven Behr back to control the franchise. These guys would have thought it out logically and would have given us fans (and casual fans) the opportunity to see Spock live his final(?) days as an Ambassador of Peace. Or at least they could have connected some of the dots to create some resemblance of a franshise. For the next movie, bring in the Iconians (supposedly an extinct race who can come through one of their portals and want to reclaim their empire in the Alpha Quadrant), Captain Riker and his new ship and crew, Sisko, Kira (Bajorans), Seven, O'Brien and Chakotay. At least create some story that gives us fans, who could support any Trek movie made, something that lets us think about Trek history. ___---KNEEL---___

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Insurrection

    by 9000rpm

    I swore I would never be robbed again by Star Trek after seeing Insurection. I won't even watch ST on tv after that POS. This one sounds just as bad.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:19 a.m. CST

    A moment of silence for Rick Berman

    by Kali39

    Based on the review, it sounds like Berman has finally done what he's threatened all along - he is single-handedly killing the franchise. The Trek movies are getting worse, Enterprise is getting more pathetic (it's going to be another five years before the cosmic reset switch, guys), Voyager was always pathetic, and nude Borg have given way to nude Vulcans. And, Shatner still won't stop writing(?) his Kirk novels. So, yes, a moment of silence. It takes a man of incredible talent to so completely ruin a good thing... So, when's Galactica coming back?

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:28 a.m. CST

    harry! read this

    by darthchase

    you say brent spiner is given nothing to do, but he co-wrote the story! he practically wrote his part to his liking, so it's not that he was given nothing to do, it's that he didn't do what you would've. that being said, i fear your review is probably right on the money. credit is to be given that there was an attempt at infusing 'new blood' into the franchise by bringing in a new writer and director, but again, the people they ended up choosing were perhaps lacking. but, in the end, the franchise is in it's death throes, and i hope to God they just let it die. have some villian blow up the federation and start from scratch again.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:29 a.m. CST

    sigh...

    by El_Duderino

    Spoiled fucking children, that's all I can think right now. So you're telling me that Harry can come on here as the sacrificial lamb for posting a positive review of AOTC, then try to give a big ol' raspberry to Nemesis to get the same treatment. Let me interject a couple of things here. 1) AOTC was a fun movie. Not ORIGINAL TRILOGY fun, but close. It's been over six months now. You can admit it. You don't have to impress your friends anymore with this "Lucas has forsaken us" bullshit. We are older now. We grew up. You want something back from the experience now that you can never reclaim. Accept it and move on. And always remember, marginal Star Wars kicks the crap out of most (and I say most) Trek any day of the week. Which brings me to the second point...2)The Trek films, for the most part, have all sucked, with a few minor exceptions thrown in there (KHAN being the most notable exception). So what's the big surprise here? I respect the franchise and all, but once again, I can accept reality when it's projected right in my face. If you want to blast Harry for telling it like he thinks it is, I have a novel concept for you: Don't fucking visit the site! Don't give him the patronage to warrant such "banners" from the studios to be placed. Ignore the review and go see the movie. You know you're going to anyway. Paramount has your money, regardless. Do you honestly think they give two shits if you like it or not? You're Trekkies. You would pay a $10 to see Patrick Stewart on the throne pinching a loaf and reading Dilbert!!!! The opening weekend gross is the bottom line, folks. And you, like me, are drawn to it. The only thing that Harry can say is that you were warned. The only thing I know is that at least this season will give one film worthy of pure fanboy glee, and we're about a week or so away from it. It helps soften the blow from potentially shitty Trek. I'm out.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:31 a.m. CST

    I hate to agree about the "inverse polarity" issue regarding Har

    by The Killer-Goat

    he DID love TPM and AOTC, and I personally found each one luke-warm at best (but the final jedi battle with Maul in Ep1 beats the crap out of yoda playing 'frogger' around Dooku). I would even suggest the same issues that Harry just complained about in ST:Nemesis apply to SW as well: the villain is great but has jack AND shit to do except for some gem moments; the actors are tired of doing their roles and very wooden (cough-NataliePortman); special effects do not a story make, etc, etc. The parts that I liked the most in old SW AND ST were the unabashedly 'cruel' moments portrayed, that would have otherwise left each film utter popcorn tripe: Vader torturing the rebel commander before coldly breaking his neck, the burning husks of what used to be Luke's family, and Khan using those nasty ear critters, slaughtering the science crew, and of course Spock's abrupt demise. Stark, 'hard core' contrasts. Lately the Trek and Star Wars pieces have been almost complete 'family-fun' kiddie flicks, Brady bunch in outer space. I dare say it's a tough call for ratings, when "Buffy" makes more news for skinning a guy on primetime than Anakin's slaughter of the sandpeople, because Lucas edited for PG content.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:36 a.m. CST

    oh yeah, and by the way......

    by El_Duderino

    Nobody should EVER cry at a Bruckheimer flick. Unless it's in regard to the seven or eight bucks they just wasted.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Star Trek is still better than Star Wars

    by magic_ninja

    Go ahead nerd, try to deny it.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:53 a.m. CST

    let sleeping dogs lie

    by Akira'sCrow

    just because someone reveiws a film, it doesn't mean you have to heed what they say. as stated before, they are only opinions. if you want to see ST:N, then go see it and make your own determination wether you believe it to be a good movie or not. Harry is entitled to his opinion and he has stated it. if you think ST sucks, don't go see ST movies. if you think SW or LOTR are amazing, well good for you but what does that have to do with this particular talkback. conversely, if you love ST movies and are upset at the reveiw, that's understandable, but why rip on other franchises because the received favorable reveiws.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Thank You Gurglesnap & Anakin722

    by The Hillbrothers

    Gurglesnap I agree with you 100% on both SW & ST. And the subject & opening line of your posting (the first one) had me laughing out loud. I wish I had the guts to say that sometimes. Anakin722, very insightful, regarding Harry's reviews. Thank you both for saying almost exactly what I was thinking. I do have to say that for the record I saw Armageddon on video and had to fight the urge to turn it off before it was over. When it ended I wanted the last 2+ hours of my life back.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:12 a.m. CST

    I think it's funny...

    by Chimmythechimp

    when some people believe that the only way to "fix" the ST franchise is to bring in the DS9 crew for a big screen adventure...I mean, come on!..outside of diehard fans, who in the general public knows the names of any of the characters on that show? But seriously, I'll tell you what is wrong with the next generation movies...Not enough Will Ryker! Whether you love him or just plain love to hate him, who else stirs up more controversy? You can always count on Ryker's brilliantly timed stoic expressions no matter what the circumsatances (Enterprise dangerously careening toward Earth ,surrounded in flame)

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:38 a.m. CST

    I knew it...

    by LabRat

    Nemisis is no Solaris.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Uhh...

    by LabRat

    I meant Nemesis...

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah? Well at least Marina Sirtis has big jugs!

    by Eugene O

    Which look even BIGGER on the BIG screen.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:26 a.m. CST

    DarthMaul13 you are a JACKASS!

    by UTellEmSteveDave

    $308 million? What does that prove? Just that there are A LOT of Star Wars fans who got disappointed (again). By your logic: MILLIONS of flies eat shit...so I guess you better go get a spoon "dumbfuck"! Ha!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:38 a.m. CST

    hey Harry

    by bogrod

    I'm going to go see this movie. By the way, you (and everyone else) need to visit this link. :-) http://www.capnwacky.com/itaintcool

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:51 a.m. CST

    BowbCrane you are a jackass!!!

    by DarthMaul13

    What did you do, wait after ever showing and ask how many how many movie-goers were disappointed with the film? Thanks for the survey bitch, but I think your data is wrong.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:13 a.m. CST

    I Saw It, And I Can't Agree With Harry On This One, He's Dead Wr

    by The Founder

    Now granted it wasn't a great movie, and far from it, but it was entertaining, and it's another tv episode on film, but it's pretty decent. Trek needs to go away, and when they come back get a good all new cast, and keep Berman, and whoever is the creative force behind the last films.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Best line you've ever written...

    by ZSmooth

    "Jonathan Frakes has three faces. Happy, Smug and Determined. They all belong on television. " Perfect... critics DREAM of creating such a succinct, beautiful criticism in one or two boiled down lines. Watch it Big Guy, keep writing like this and people will start taking your reviews seriously. (plus there was irony too, of all the TNG regulars, Frakes was the one who bitched the loudest about the show being taken off TV). Excellent work, Harry.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:39 a.m. CST

    ZOD = wrong

    by Brian_De_Man

    Great review Harry! Probably the most enjoyable review ive read all day. Star Trek has screwed up their entire movie career with lame ass movies, and all the decent ones back from Kirks time..Its sad that Star Trek tried to reinvent a nemisis for Picard but makes pickled looking pussy just like himself. Picard was a physical pussy of a captain hiding behind Worf and Data..I hope they all die in this movie. Star Trek is Gay! They need to bring out a freaking good movie like something from Babylon 5. Why is it that the only good movies coming out for 2002 are December 18?:) Jesus..Lucas fucked up Star Wars..this guy fucked up Star Trek..the one guy fucked up Men in Black 2, only good movie this year is LOTR: TTT. Hope all you no life, basement living, vanilla waffer munching, chubby Star Trek fans find this movie as an opertunity to wake up out of your dilusions and get a life! SNOOCHIE BOOCHIES!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker Reviews this Talkback (no-spoilers)

    by ZSmooth

    I just had to say that of all the talkbacks I've read and occasionally posted in, this has got to be the funniest. Wahtever the reason... maybe it's Harry, maybe it's the eternal love/hate relationship we all have with the whole Trek concept, or maybe it's just that someone spiked everyone's Cheerios with Romulan Ale... whatever the reason, this is one of the best fucking TBs I've ever wasted time reading. Thanks to all. Oh, and AOTC would have been the best EP ever if Lucas just edited about 20 minutes worth... right in the second act... I think you know what scenes could have used some choppage.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Oh well. All things die sooner or later.

    by Noriko Takaya

    Trek needs to be laid in the grave for a couple-50 years, so that it can be reborn anew in the future. Right now, both on Television and in the theater, Star Trek has become like the Rolling Stones: a played out, boring dinosaur with little or no creativity left. And that is sad. Sadder still is the pathetic git who has showed up in virtually every Nemesis talkback thus far accusing each review of being fake, and now is accusing Harry of being paid off to trash the movie. This despite the fact that the negative word pretty much matches what's been said on other movie sites. I guess it's rather difficult for some people to let go of their emotional support systems. As for me, I saw the travesty that was "Insurrection" and have no desire to waste more of my hard earned time and money on cinematic drek. I will always have TOS, DS9 and Trek flicks 2, 4, and 6 to remember the good times by. As for now and the future, there is Andromeda, Farscape, Firefly and the glory that is anime (Vandread!! If you haven't seen it yet SEE IT NOW!!!). And that's just on the tube! My movie cup doth overflow with goodness: Gangs of New York, Two Towers--THAT'S how you make an epic, Berman!--Catch Me If You Can, the IMAX version of Episode II and many others. RIP, Star Trek. You were great once. Toppu o Nerae!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 4:28 a.m. CST

    58% of a movie??

    by travisc

    Okay, so IMDB is reporting that they took the 2:45 version of the film and cut out 1:10 to make it 95 minutes for it's theatrical run, and the full footage will be restored on DVD. Does anyone know if this is true, or a silly rumor? If true, why does Paramount think I want to see little more than half a movie for my $8? Also, Harry, did you see a 95 minutes version, and did it seem disjointed? Would a more fleshed-out story help?

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Hell hath no fury...

    by KillaKane

    ..like a Texan scorned. Top form vitriol Mr Knowles. Nemesis does indeed lick balls, but that does'nt extend to Goldsmith's music, which seems to have got the short shrift in your lambasting. While not one of Jerry's more consistent scores the action cues shine and are some of the most aggressive he's written for the series. Not bad for a dude pushing 73, his dick's still swingin! Soundtrack geeks won't be dissappointed

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 6:33 a.m. CST

    so was attack of the clones...

    by Ali786

    but I'm still gonna watch it

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Poorly written

    by Andy Dufresne

    I know that Harry is supposed to be a "real" man who reviews films as a fan but this review is true bollocks. It is petty and it is childish and frankly I thought he could do better. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that he hated the film. It's his job to voice an opinion, but this is truly mediocre. In terms of review writing the man has made all of his failings as a reviewer and a movie goer apparant. The hag in the shining? That is not a comment that belongs in a review. I don't care who the fuck you are or what poll you have read proclaiming you to be one of the most powerful people in Hollywood. I dread to think what film character people compared you too Harry when you were in the faculty. You should be ashamed of yourself, I thought you could write more eloquently than this. You have done your character a grave disservice

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 7:51 a.m. CST

    These metaphore reviews are really stupid.

    by SlorrrTheMighty

    I'm really getting sick of reviews that compare a movie to a dead baby, a vagina, etc... The movie probably will suck but I don't need to here how cool Harry could make it.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I've seen Trek X ... and it's True

    by Cygnus

    I watched about half of Nemesis this morning (illegally of course, but I had to see for myself), and as a former hardcore Trek fan, I must admit that this is indeed the worst load of tripe I've seen since Trek V and Insurrection. Please understand, when I say former hardcore fan, I mean it. I'm one of the geeks that used to attend every convention in full costume from the mid-70's to mid 80's. But it's funny how poor filmmaking can kill a true fanboy. Maybe it's for the best though... otherwise I may still be trying to fit into costumes I wore when I was 20 pounds lighter. If you're a Trek fanboy and can still remain one after watching this movie, then there's something seriously wrong with you and you'll likely forgive just about anything as long as the name Star Trek is attached... but then, the same can be said of Star Wars fanboys and episodes 1 and 2 (sorry Harry). C'mon folks, it's time to send a message and move on. And just for the record... I don't make it a habit of downloading movies illegally from ftp servers. I always opt for seeing movies on the big screen for full effect. But I was having serious doubts about Trek X and didn't want to put money into Paramount's pocket if it indeed sucked. It indeed did. Words cannot express how hopeful I was that this movie would get the franchise back on track. It was not meant to be.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:04 a.m. CST

    <<<FUCK STAR TREK, IT WAS NEVER THAT GOOD TO BEGIN WITH>>>

    by Erik_Richmond

    Wrath of khan and undiscovered Country are the only ones in the series that are even approaching REAL MOVIE status, all the others are terrible. With this immense talkbalk StarTrek fans again proove to be really the saddest bunch of all us genre geeks. i can't believe the length of some of these rants. You should have given up on ST a long time ago and found something better to watch...

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:30 a.m. CST

    It's time to put Star Trek in deep freeze till Roddenberry reinc

    by sofalord

    In about a hundred years Gene Roddenberry will probably return to life again in a new form and he can resurrect this franchise. Til then Paramount should put ST into deep freeze and stop beating a dead horse. Pleeeze.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:31 a.m. CST

    I STILL think Shriekback: Nemesis would be a better film.

    by rev_skarekroe

    sk

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Sorry Harry, I just don't trust you anymore, I am waiting for yo

    by Blacket-Man

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:40 a.m. CST

    khan

    by vicious_bastard

    I have to say that casting Ricardo Montalban as Khan in "The Wrath Of..." was sheer genius. Only a similar move in the future (if Nemesis doesn't bomb too badly to preclude a future) could revitalise a franchise which has become far too reliant on special effects at the expense of the fast-waning character appeal.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Nemesis May In Fact Be Bad, But This Review Lacked Substance Har

    by Bubba_Fett

    Unlike some people on other web sites that have attacked Harry personally for this review, I won't. I will go in with an open mind Friday night. That said, where's the beef Harry? You don't like Dina Meyer's makeup job. You wish the Romulan Senate Chamber was bigger. You didn't like Jerry Goldsmith's score (which, by the way, I've heard and thought was pretty good). The Enterprise, you say, can't ram a ship that has its shields raised. Picard violated this Federation rule and that Starfleet rule. Riker's face belongs on TV, etc, etc. These are all things most people can overlook. Was the dialogue truly awful? Were there major, unforgivable plotholes? Were you bored to tears? Explain what they were as well as why you feel that way, but spare us the nitpickiness. Be more concise explaining why you didn't like this movie. All of the bad reviews for the movie, as well as the lone positive one, on this site have lacked any substance to them whatsoever. "Insurrection" was awful? I didn't think it was good, but I didn't think it was awful either! Just okay! I've seen far worse in cinema. Was "Nemesis" as bad as say, "Superman IV"? "Batman & Robin"?

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Angry Geeks

    by paramounted

    Why is it when someone says something against Harry the geeks run to his aid? He sold out ages ago! He doesnt care! He gets his free DVD's, movie premiere tickets and all the other perks. When will you wake up and realise this?

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:50 a.m. CST

    In Defense of William Shatner's Acting

    by TheTARDIS

    It's a cliche to critisize Shatner's acting, and an equal cliche to praise Stewart's. IMHO Shatner is a much more exciting and watchable actor who chews scenery like nobody's business and has the screen presence of Jack Nicholson. He was born to be on the big screen, captaining a starship and cracking wise to Klingons. Stewart is a classicly trained shakespearean actor who nails subtely and does a wonderful job with emoting. However, he can't carry an action sci-fi film, he's too bland. Personally, I think Shatner is a mush better leading man than Steward... Trek died with the last original cast movie... Undiscovered Country. The new kids have yet to come anywhere close to that quality.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Harry musn't have gotten anything from Paramount

    by mariust

    No treats for Harry = No good review... So given the hate in this review, he must REALLY have wanted his Mirina Sirtis action figure.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I don't buy it

    by Blok Narpin

    This review makes me doubt it's credibility almost from the start. Harry says when Jerry Goldsmith's score starts you know this is going to be bad. Hmmmm...You knew it was going to be bad from the opening score, huh? Sounds like you had your mind made up before one line of dialouge was spoken. Also, what's all this about the makeup being bad? I was the ads and previews. The makeup looks teriffic. And ANYTIME someone refers to Final Frontier as one of the worst I don't take thier opinion seriously. FInal Frontier was great. Insurrection and Motion Picture were the two worst and Voyage Home comes close.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I don't know why so many of you are taking Harry's review as the

    by Defiant

    As I scroll down I see alotta "too bad it sucks" type comments. I know people still think for themselves, especially when so many of you disagree with his reviews of Episodes 1 and 2. I personally take this review with a grain of salt. Especially with seeing his order of the worst Trek films. I also found his review to be poor and more of a rant. Some of you are saying it is one of his best reviews, but reading the talkbacks I am not surprised. To me the worst films was The Motion Picture: Slow and really didn't live up to much of a payoff. It's a shame to cause those were the best sets they ever built and was the only movie to really show how huge that ship was. Second worse was Generations: We start with a fantastic opening and then we move to a slow moving movie that doesn't pay off. Kirk is brought back to die the lamest death in the franchises history. A subplot that ruins Data and makes him annoying, and another one to bring you down with Picard's nephew dying. It does have a decent space battle that is kinda ruined by them recycling the Bird of Prey being blown up from THE LAST MOVIE. Third was The Final Frontier: which Could have been good with a decent budget, but having it pulled from under them we are left with a lackluster last half hour and there were Next Generation episodes that looked just as good if not better. Some good scenes in there though.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Money earned does not equal good time had...duh!

    by UTellEmSteveDave

    Enjoy those flies, Maulie! LOL!!!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Star Trek: Transition From TV to FILM

    by Mako

    I have yet to see a ST:TNG movie that was the calibre that "The Wraith Of Khan" had been. First of all... I really do think that since the TV series was so well done, the transition to film makes these Next Generation films look like long TV Episodes. The same problem happend with "The X-Files". The TV shows were so well written, acted and produced that when they were made for the big screen, it was a let down.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Review Stinks

    by ColdSun

    Personally, I will see this movie myself and be the judge. Lately Harry hasn't had a good track record with me. Reign of Fire? After his review I thought it would be awesome and it turned out awful. No Equilibrium review by Harry either. A movie that deserved so much more attention and he ignores it just like the suits. I'm almost convinced Harry is all about money now and not a geek fanboy like he was when I first came to this site. Sadly it might be time to stop reading it and giving it any credibility at all. That's too bad because I actually like some of the other reviewers here.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Well, at least its over....

    by ima biggun

    10 Star Trak movies, 4 good ones (2,4,8, and First Contact), 3 so-so (1,3, and Generations), and 3 piles of festering doo doo (5, Insurrection, and Nemesis). It really a shame that they couldn't do more with the TNG movies; they had a better cast, effects, and some real storylines to deal with. The entire Star Trek series is a prime example of great potential blown by Hollywood morons.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I think the sequel should be called Star Trek XI: The Grapes of

    by PoopsMcGee

    "I've done far worse than kill you, brother. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you, brother. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her, little Starfleet dude: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive, brother. Buried alive." Poops

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Ignored storylines, blown opportunities

    by ima biggun

    Now that the series is over, I'd like to know about some great storylines that were totally ignored. First and foremost, I would love to know who was responsible for ignoring Q and the continuum. Q was one of the great characters that ran through the entire length of the series, yet was nonexistant in the movies. Where was the storyline with Tasha Yar/Sela and the Romulans? A movie would have been a great way to close that storyline. What about Wesley and his time shifting abilities? During the series, it was stress how Wes was "special" with the culmination coming towards the end of the last season. I could go on and on. Paramount really blew it with the Star Trek series. They turned what could have been a Bond-like series (one that went on and on) into one that didn't deliver a decent movie even half of the time.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:24 a.m. CST

    When did Harry turn into a Lame Ass Dejected Fanboy?

    by BornAmazing

    Ok...this whole reveiw is put into perspective when Harry calls Generations (at least I think this is what he says because that last paragraph is so convoluted that I can hardly tell) the third from the bottom in terms of quality and enjoyability... That film blew away the bland Star Trek 3 and the hokey Star Trek 4. Attacking Marina Sirtis is ridiculous as William Shatner is a terrible actor barely able to muster a few different intonations in his voice while stuggling...with...his...stupid....diction. Wah..wah..wah..thats all Im hearing from a dejected fanboy who cant stand that the original Star Trek is long dead and that The Next Gen isnt what he wanted. You refer to the 'the real tragedy of the next generation' in your review.... I know this review is shit when you consider that remarkable television series as even having a tragedy. Cant wait till Friday.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Uh....where's the SPOILER ALERT!?!?!?

    by CrispOne

    Harry, please do not assume that just because you express disdain for a film, nobody will still plan on seeing it. I do plan to see it, and it would have been nice not to know some of the things you talked about in this review - getting rid of #1, using the Enterprise to ram another ship, finding android parts on another planet, etc... Please, PLEASE give us spoiler alerts when you're going to do this!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Harry doesn't like it? That means I will!

    by asucolin

    Screw what he says. I would rather form my own opinion. Even ST 5 and Insurrection are better then 90% of the crap at the movies now days.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Everyone doesn't hate it

    by TomBCat

    http://talk.trekweb.com/cgi-bin/msgboard.pl?bid=P8qLGojKJO0fY&cid=p0nNfhvF1.tT2&tid=iYnGronvyvApg&parent=0&target=p0nNfhvF1.tT2&sort=Newest%20Posts%20First&view=Nested%20Posts&date=Last%2015%20Days#p0

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Do you really need a spoiler alert for a Star trek movie?

    by Wee Willie

    When was the last time a Star Trek movie featured any real surprises? They're as predictable as a Swiss watch. After suffering through the drab, awful Star Trek: Insurrection, I'll wait for this one to come on TV, which will likely be next Xmas. Spoil the plot all you want. It's not like we're missing out on anything. Also, how is does revealling a few plot points constitute a spoiler. It's not like Harry said, "Oh, yeah, and Worf dies in the end saving the Enterprise". A spoiler spoils the viewing experience. Harry's revelations in this review won't 'spoil' the movie for anyone.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Right on, Harry

    by Mafu

    I am in total agreement with Harry on this one. Star Trek now officially sucks. The last three films have been godawful bores, lacking any hardcore tech or biological invention to keep plots interesting. A big fat yawn overall. People who are less creative, less intrigued by dramatic elements in a story, and less discerning between "Kickass" and "Lowest Common Denominator" will dig this movie. Then again, they would probably dig any film that shows them a cool trailer. Go ahead. Defend your franchise, Trekkies! I dare you. Thank you for your uncompromising reviews, Harry. I can't agree with you more.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Wow!!!

    by TomBCat

    Why is it that if Harry says that this movie sucks, everyone writes "Too bad this movie is a festering pile of crap" or "I won't go see it then"? You people need to make up your own minds about this movie. ONE person says he hated it so everyone just jumps on the bandwagon and agrees. The only trek movie that I didn't like was 5. Insurrection wasn't that bad. Anyways, go see it for yourselfs and THEN decide. Sheesh... TomBCat

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I've also seen Nemesis...

    by wyldwolf

    So before I counter this review, let me just say that a lot of Trek fans want Berman and company to screw up so bad that they're gleeful when they only hit a double as opposed to a homerun. Sorry - you're not going to lose your job unless you strike out. Berman and crew have struck out - and they haven't with Nemesis. Let me also say if you love something so much that you think you can do a better job at it than the person who actually does the job, you will ALWAYS be disappointed. Even when the job is done well you'll still pout that you coulda' done it better. When I frequent Star Trek message boards and newsgroups I'm always amazed at the usually horrid and stupid story lines the fanboys dream up. Thank DARWIN they're not in charge! And finally, before I nit-pic Harry's review, let me point out that any TNG movie is going to look like a TV episode. The TNG crew never went away. "Generations" premiered mere months after "All Good Things" ended TNG's TV run. Remember, TOS cast had 12 or so years between their last episode and ST:TMP. Now, my take on Nemesis compared to Harry's. Nemesis isn't the best TNG movie nor the worst. I would probably rank it somewhere in the middle of the 10 films. Harry says the movie is boring. It drags at times but that is John Logan's style (re: Gladiator) but the payoff is worth it. It isn't shallow. It sets you up for the action. No, the soundtrack isn't the best BUT I'm partial to the ST movies that have a hummable definite theme (TMP and Generations, for example.) It isn't dark and gloomy like The Undiscovered Country nor it it light and fluffy like Insurrection's and The Voyage Home's. It does rank, in my opinion, as one of the better ones - Right with TMP, Generations and First Contact. I found Stewart's and Spiner's performance wonderful and though I was disappointed with Worf's screentime - the series has always been about Picard and Data. Were there complaints like these when Kirk and Spock dominated the time in most of the TOS movies? I'm sorry Harry found Troi's performance unattractive but guess what? They've all aged. I was quite taken with how her's a Riker's storyline has developed. It's a great payoff for fans who've followed their relationship. Forgive her for getting old. As for the make up, I've heard rumors that these Romulans are setting us up for more Romulans on "Enterprise." The make-up was fine. That complaint by Harry is a nit-pic. I thought the dune buggy Mad Max scene was going to be lame but it was a nice diversion. See this film. Don't expect it to be the best ever. But is sure isn't the worse ever. Not be a long shot.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Star Trek AGAIN?

    by jedimaster7705

    i'm gonna have to disagree with Harry on this one, most magazines already have their reviews in, all are positive, except for his. suck ass harry.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:18 p.m. CST

    ranking Treks

    by jedzxor

    here is mine 1. Wrath of Khan 2 2. Voyage Home 4 3. Undiscovered Country 6 4. First Contact 8 5. Generations 7 6. Search for Spock 3 7. Motion Picture 1 8. Insurrection 9 9. Final Frontier 5

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:24 p.m. CST

    anyone surprised?

    by cracksmoker

    of course the umpteenth movie in a series is likely to suck.everybody involved can't be jazzed about it: they're just taking the paycheck(face it,outside of patrick stewart,none of the other stiffs get any real work.).and when they do show up, everybody's chaaracter wants equal time. a chance for a good movie is possible only if throw a great writer(peter david, jan michael friedman) a blank slate and let them create a great story. Don't see it happening anytime soon.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Oh dear... Well, thanks, Harry for that awful-warning review.

    by WarDog

    I was also encouraged by the previews lately. Thought maybe they'd fixed the problems we'd all read about months ago when we groaned aloud and begged God to motivate the powers that be to change things (or strike them dead if they refused.) Now I'm wishing Berman & Co. WOULD BE STRUCK DEAD. Damn them. DAMN them all for completely fucking up a long-beloved series of millions.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Right on, Harry

    by slushpump

    Sometimes I disagree with Harry, sometimes I agree. This time, unfortunately for the Star Trek franchise, I whole-heartedly agree. I saw a screening last night and it was absolutely dreadful. Not just a bad Star Trek story, but a badly-made movie period. This coming from a life-long Star Trek fan who feels alienated by the endless, boring status quo the franchise's creative leadership continues to perpetuate in the film and television series. Sorry, but anyone who feels that Enterprise is a fresh new take on the franchise is bordering on delusional. Bottom line: change the creatives at the top before the franchise becomes irrelevant to any but it's most hard-core adherents.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Disgruntled?

    by YutakaWatari

    Angry fan? Try http://malakim.net/trek

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST

    If i were Harry, i'd never review another movie again

    by Fearsme

    Why? The guy can't win. So many people call him a sell out, he can't possibly maintain any level of credebility with the fans. It makes it almost impossible for him to review something in the eyes of the internet fan community. If Harry likes it, he's been paid off, if he hates it, they obviously didn't give him any Pwesents. Although it may be untrue, this is the general perception of Harry. The way to solve this is for Harry to stop reviewing films, and simply report on cool stuff like set visits and his opinions on FORTHCOMING projects. By staying away from big reviews, he can silence the trolls. Thats my two cents.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I'll wait to form my own opinion but...

    by cooper2000

    hearing a few reviews that Worf is drunk and is comic relief scares me and the the though of Spiner getting story credit and beefing up his role scares me. Give Riker and Beverly something to do for christs sake. It's gotta be better than Enterprise. Then of course anything is better than Enterprise.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:26 p.m. CST

    A blowjob AND a watch for only $10?! Atlanta, here I come!

    by NeofromtheMatrix

    Dina Meyer plays the role of a Romulan?! Why couldn't she be the new First Officer?! Man, I planned to see this one on a Sunday Matinee, but now I probably won't. Lets face it, the ST:TNG movies pretty much "jumped the shark" with First Contact, it was their own personal Wrath of Khan. I really hoped that Nemesis would be at least as good as Voyage Home or Undiscovered Country, but apparently not. And for the record, Search for Spock also sucked ass as well, and Final Frontier is definitively the worst one ever. How about a Star Trek prequel? A movie about how the Eastern Coalition, and their fearless leader Khan Sing, rose to power? It would end with the final showdown in Australia at the end of the Third World War, and the lift-off of the S.S. Botany Bay, in 2053. - I know Kung Fu.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:33 p.m. CST

    NEMESIS is more of same... ONLY WORSE...

    by Cygnus

    Once again, I've seen it, and it truly does suck. And those die-hards out there who are defending it (and I used to be one) are doing so only because 1. They haven't seen it yet, or 2. Their senses have been slowly dulled over time and have become content with Trek mediocrity. For years now, we've been forced to ingest unimaginative plot repititions and recycled story lines. It's a desensitization that has resulted in lower standards and expectations by the many viewers. ENOUGH ALREADY!!! I DON'T CARE ANYMORE if it's STAR TREK or not... If it's CRAP, I'm gonna call it CRAP! Let me put this in perspective... this movie has all the excitement and depth of SuperNova... except for the fact that we're familiar with the cast in Nemesis... and oh yeah... it's STAR TREK! And to many, that's apparently all it needs to be. Sad really.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Two Towers RULES!!!!!!!!!

    by Hate_Speech

    Go see it.. 3W0KZ MUST DI3!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 1:37 p.m. CST

    But then you like Die Another Day so...

    by Brody77

    so you're opinion means piss all to me anymore. I will agree that Rick Berman should piss off though-I've been saying that since DS9-and I'd personally kill the franchise after this movie-good or bad. But I'll reserve judgement til I see the movie, cos as I said-you like Bond, which is the biggest shit pile since Mortal Kombat 2!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it but...

    by cooper2000

    gurglesnap hit the nail right on the head. I used to love Trek but Berman has fucked up the franchise. Time for him and Braga to be shown the door.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:23 p.m. CST

    oh lord help us all

    by liljuniorbrown

    The star trek movie was bad...well that sucks if your a fan but i bet fans will still go and see it and it will make more than some worse movies this year.like them or not trek fans are faithful,but oh well,all i wanted to say was star trek wil make money again when it does what the new james bond just did,get people to go see it that aren't fans already,create a buzz.A strong viccadin like buzz.....

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:27 p.m. CST

    What Is The Real Truth?

    by JaPra

    I'm not a Trekkie, nor a geek of the Star Trek franchise. I've enjoyed many of the different incarnations of Gene Roddenberry's visions except for the mediocre Voyager which were only episodes and could have been storylines. Regarding Harry's review there is not much I can say. It's either glowing with him or it's awful. I personally want to know the events that led up to his screening, his treatment from Paramount etc... I'm not saying that Harry is falsifying his feelings about this film but it's been a while since I've read a review this harsh. Thankfully Harry's reviews never do much for me. Like many of you here I am a fan of this site and not Harry. For substance I always like to read Garth's reviews on Dark Horizons.com. Harry has never been articulate with his words or sure about them, case in point being phrases like "All the cool shit." When I read a review I like to be engaged on an intelligent level, I never come here for that, well at least when I'm reading Harry's words I never expect that and when I do I am pleasantly surprised. Harry's minions and counterparts are far better writers than Harry is. However I am not here to diss Harry. We must consider the many factors when reading reviews. First off who's reviewing it? What is their track record? What is their writing like? Can they communicate to their audience clearly? Also this is opinion, nothing more, nothing less, a good review is always balance with a "perhaps I'mwrong about this." A good review should be objective. With Harry he is a fan boy who came into money, money he receives by reviewing films that New Line Pays him to review. Because of his newfound fame he has been on talk shows, panels and in the print media. All of this does not give what he says any credibility. There are many people who are in the spotlight and much of the time it's not based on talent. I remember when Ebert gave a poor review of Gladiator and I would not see it because of it, I just lost interest. I finaly did and was surprised how much I like it, I trusted Ebert enough to know when to wait for video or when to fork over 9 bucks. This time I disagreed with him. With Harry it has not been thus. On a writing level his skill are adequate but not engaging, he writes because he can and not because he is particularly good at it. I trust that Nemesis will be a good film, I can feel it in my bones. We'll just have to wait and see. JaPra

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 2:53 p.m. CST

    sorry it wasnt the pianist harry

    by jjrox

    that review was written like it was written by a drunk reservation indian. or a 14 year old juvenille hall detainee. i tink the absenth use, and the alchohal abuse is getting to harrys head. not to mention to the big office, and private movie theater. whoop de doo. go do some more push ups for ben stein.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Paramount to rename Nemesis, Star Trek 11

    by TachyonTV

    Exclusive news coming to the satirical sci-fi website, Tachyon TV soon: http://www.tachyon-tv.co.uk By the way, great talkback - too funny for words!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:21 p.m. CST

    My God, what does it take to get rid of Berman and Braga?

    by Electric_Monk

    Despite this review and the many that will follow, this franchise will go on. Rick Berman

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Simply put, they go to the "Trek" well too often now

    by the G-man

    First we had a single 1960s series. Then, about ten years later, we had a couple of movies. Approximately ten years after that, they started a new series. BUT THEN it became a constant stream of Trek: more movies, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, these films. They need to give Trek a rest for at least five years. No new shows, no movies, NO NOTHING. Let some time pass.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Innsurrection was the worst Trek Movie ever?

    by JoeyZ

    This is why it's so frustrating to read Harry's reveiws. Sometimes he's dead-on, other times he's in another solar system. By what measure could Insurrection be the worst Trek movie ever? It's not a joke like Star Trek V and it doesn't MAKE a joke out of Kirk's death ("Oh My"). I, personally loved Insurrection, but I have heard some very valid criticism that it was too much like a long episode. I buy that, but simply have no problem with it. But by calling Insurrection the worst Trek movie ever, Harry makes it clear we cannot trust his reviews--it clearly is based more on how much he WANTS to like it going in, than by the actual movie he saw on the screen. I mean this is the same Harry who gave glowing reviews to each of the last two Star Wars clunkers.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:46 p.m. CST

    TNG is finished, bring on the DS9 movies!

    by TKO

    TNG was in my opinion the best ST series. It's definitely the most succesful series, I think. But they've done all they can do with the characters. And there's nothing more exciting to be brought to the franchise by all these missfiring movies. Blow Enterprise D (E..F...what the hell are they up to now?) up and start making movies with the DS9 cast! The characters in DS9 and the stories are much more interesting. DAX!! I NEED JADZIA!! Terry is just a nice piece of eye-candy...I wouldn't mind going over her Trill-polka-dotted body with my tongue *slurp*. Odo is cool, Quark is great comic relief. COME ON PARAMOUNT!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:51 p.m. CST

    gas station in Atlanta

    by former_jarhead

    On a similar subject, when I was stationed at 29 Palms in the Marine Corps, there was a rumor (keep reading) about a woman who would have guys lining up to give them blowjobs in a hotel room for free. I thought it was BS until one night driving around nearby Palm Springs with 3 other guys. We were stopped at a light or something, when this creepy looking little old woman started waving at us. We pulled over, and one of the guys got out to talk to her. He came back and said "she wants to give head to all of us." The first guy gets his (standing beside her car with the driver side door open and her in the driver's seat), comes back and says "next." Guy 2 goes, and while I'm debating about whether to go through with this the cops show up and send us on our merry way with a stern talking to. This shit does happen, people.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:57 p.m. CST

    You can trust Harry's reviews, if . . .

    by NerdBird

    Long time readers of AICN, such as myself, have over the years learned to effortlessly interpret what I call the Harry Code: if Harry says a film sucks, you can take the money to the bank. It is 99.44% certain he is correct. I am surprised by the harshness of some of the comments. The man sacrificed himself here. He gave 1.5 - 2.0 hours of his life so we could be spared this pain. Those who disagree with him are certainly welcome to see the thing regardless. More power to them. But they better not come back and say Harry lied. :)

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 3:59 p.m. CST

    so it goes with film franchises

    by humbleopinion

    What we have here is another example of obsesive, concrete, and just plain bad creative control ruining what could be a great series. We've seen it before. Joel Schumacher and Batman. Barbara Broccoli and James Bond. And yes, George Lucas and Star Wars--I know its a sin to rip lucas on AICN, but COME ON, the prequels are NO WHERE near as good as the original trilogy(even those crappy special edition re-releases) On the other hand, we have also seen films developed by the proper people turning into absolute gems. Harry Potter. Lord of the Rings. Spider-Man. These are three excellent examples of films that were created by people who knew their material. They loved it and even feared it just a little. But above all they saw it as more than an opportunity for a cash cow. They saw it as a chance to take great source material and make a great movie out of it. Based upon Harry's opinion...it seems like Rick Berman can join the ranks of the former rather than the latter.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 4:05 p.m. CST

    SW's focus is not story anymore, it's effects

    by TKO

    Seems George is not concentrating that much on writing a good screenplay anymore. Feels as if he's just telling us a story we all know already with this prequel trilogy. The whole thing is more of a playground for Industrial Light & Magic to play & test new technologies, and the focus is not on the story anymore. WHICH SUCKS

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 4:14 p.m. CST

    OH I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!! PHANTOM MENACE SUCKED!!!!!

    by jjrox

    the bottom line is star trek is star trek, and star trek just isnt alot of peoples bag,..baby. but whats with harry>? i thought he was a 'geek', or thats what he hails atleast. youd think this was right up his alley. maybe if the director offered to dress him up as a klingon or something, in nemesis, he would have given it a good reivew. not every movie can be LOTR, i just think harry needs to deflate his ego. hehe i just noticed how much the word, 'ego'..looks like 'eggo' bon apetite you vicious basterds.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Anyone notice Paramount isn't publicizing this film much?

    by BigTuna

    It's going to bomb. They waited too long to release the trailer and I barely see it advertised on T.V.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Nemesis Thoughts

    by lazylemming

    saw STAR TREK: NEMESIS last night. it was not terrible, as many fear, but it wasn't all that outstanding either. i have always enjoyed star trek, but am not a fanatic. i thought there were quite a number of plot holes and unecessary plot devices (not to mention borrowing liberally from other star trek & star wars storylines), but it was entertaining nevertheless. i was quite impressed with the grandness of the end battle. overall, it was a worthwhile trek film. if you only want to find reason to hate rick berman & the current state of star trek, you'll find that. but i suggest you go into it looking to be entertained and not for some story that will change the face of star trek. if you have an open mind and don't expect too much, it should be entertaining. i should note that i went with a friend who was an avid star trek fan and he was (surprisingly) very excited & impressed.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:21 p.m. CST

    BRING BACK OUR LORD SHATNER

    by shatner1

    Saw our lord shatner on Howard Stern looking dashing with his mirror universe Spock goatee. Not only does he look a good ten years younger than that tea-sipping, phalic (flute) playing, tart Patrick Stewart ( the captain with the pink and purple furniture) But he also still appears to be a man quite capable of beating the everliving shit out of the entire Next Generation cast. Talk Talk Talk Talk, more zeolously politically correct monologues, that it would seem is all we can expect from Rick Berman's version of Star Trek. But perhaps the time is at hand for Nimoy and Shatner to at least wrest the creative reigns of Star Trek away. More fistfights and mental chess matches and less whimpering and round table pacsifist disscussions . They threw the wrong captain off the metal bridge.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:32 p.m. CST

    BRING BACK KIRK AND SPOCK

    by DARTH VOODOO

    If this really is the last TNG film then bring back Kirk and Spock in the next film and let them leave in dignity unlike that piece of shit Generations left Kirk. Nobody watches Enterprise, Ds9 or Voyager for free so you know they won't pay to see them on screen.I think it would be an BIG event film and then the series could take 10 years off to give it some time to rest.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Harry's an Blatant Berman Basher

    by Tall_Boy

    it doesn't matter if headed under Berman's flag if its good (which sometimes it is) or bad (which sometimes it is) Harry will bash it cuz he flat out hates the current Powers that Be in Trekdom. He was gonna rip into this flick for a long time before the first reel was shot. Bleah. Review the movie, Harry, not use it to air your own personal grivances.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Rember when Kirk era Trek films were a big deal? (nobody cares a

    by DARTH VOODOO

    I can remember when a new Trek film was a big deal. Trek films with Kirk,Spock and Bones were at least as big as a 007 film would be. I think that the reason Trek is no longer popular is because the series seems to hate it's two most popular characters. What moron at Paramont thought it would be a good idea to Kill off Kirk and to never use Spock? These are the characters people want to see. Do you think the average person even knows who Janeway,Archer, Sisko are? TNG while less popular than Tos can carry it's own weight (Thanks to the great Patrick Stewart as Picard) but the other programs have turned Star Trek into a joke. BRING BACK KIRK AND SPOCK WITH THE CAST OF TNG IN TREK 11 AND GET THE REST OF BULLSHIT (voy,ent,ds9) THEY CALL STAR TREK AND FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:45 p.m. CST

    The Best Star Trek Film Over the Last Ten Years? "Galaxyquest"

    by jollydwarf

    DON'T.......GO. Period. Berman is clearly retaining his position (as well as all the other corruptors) because there're some real suckers out there. Now who to point the finger at. Teens on dates? HA! The "Secretly Hot For Vin" crowd. Shyeah, right! The Star Wars linesitters? Eek, the heresy! Look, the difference between this film bombing and turning enough of a profit to allow the desecration to continue solely lies in your hands. I don't see the Potter and Pikachu kids clamoring to go see this. I think that Star Trek XI should be about an ancient race of humans, the Phanboi, who kidnap Rick Berman, take him into the future, grab a Federation ship, blow everything the Hell up, stuff Picard into a wheelchair and send him back in time to meet Bryan Singer, bukkake Troi, throw Berman into a no-exit wormhole, and kick it with Klingons and Borg alike, with a rousing musical performance by Mr. Bungle. That's just the short-pitch. But again, it's up to you. Resistance is NOT FUTILE, and kids, THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Exactly what did you seriously expect, Harry??

    by ds9_sucks

    It's the same soulless boring and pointless shit that Trek has been for the past 10 years, INCLUDING and **ESPECIALLY** Deep Space 9. And Rick Berman was just as responsible for that hunk of worthless crap as he was for any of the others, so all you delusional (and/or flat-out lying) pathetic twat fans are welcome to get yourself a clue any time now. I for one can't wait to see all those overmarketed DVD collections filling up bargain shelves and landfills, not to mention watching the TNN ratings plummet like the Hindenburg within the first week or so after debut.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 6:04 p.m. CST

    "Phanboi"

    by Nordling

    Dammit jollydwarf, you made me shoot Dr. Pepper out my nose.

  • So, CrispOne--I didn't think it spoiled the film for me (the bad review OR the spoilage). Word to Wyldwolf for the "other side" review. And a big Wordy McWorderson to JaPra--one of the things I miss most about your reviews, Harry, is that you used to tell us the story BEHIND the review. I miss that. I popped back in to see what other people were saying and, damm....there's so many opinions here my head is spinning...but...like assholes...everyone has them.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Franchise Rot

    by William Munny

    I have not seen the new Star Trek film, but I fear it'll be quite disappointing having read most of Harry's review. One thing I can say is that Star Trek and the James Bond franchise could really benefit from new writers and directors. Give the next Bond to Quentin Tarantino. Give the next Trek to Sam Mendes. See what happens! We could all be pleasantly surprised.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Remember when Kirk era Trek films were a big deal? (nobody cares

    by DARTH VOODOO

    I can remember when a new Trek film was a big deal. Trek films with Kirk,Spock and Bones were at least as big as a 007 film would be. I think that the reason Trek is no longer popular is because the series seems to hate it's two most popular characters. What moron at Paramont thought it would be a good idea to Kill off Kirk and to never use Spock? These are the characters people want to see. Do you think the average person even knows who Janeway,Archer, Sisko are? TNG while less popular than Tos can carry it's own weight (Thanks to the great Patrick Stewart as Picard) but the other programs have turned Star Trek into a joke. BRING BACK KIRK AND SPOCK WITH THE CAST OF TNG IN TREK 11 AND GET THE REST OF BULLSHIT (voy,ent,ds9) THEY CALL STAR TREK AND FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 6:39 p.m. CST

    So Sorry OR... At Least It Wasn't DIET Dr. Pepper, Nordling

    by jollydwarf

    'Cause that shit's naz-tee. Like that Pepsi Blue. (A Vintage Crystal Pepsi squirt through the nostril has been known to induce hallucinogenic effects) But then what do I know? I've single-handedly kept Pepsi One afloat in my county. And speaking of Pepsi One, I'm surprised Tom Green didn't PURPOSELY blow it out his nose in one of those "sabotage the college lecture" commercials. But one other thing to all of you: don't make this a Harry issue. We all have our suspiscions about his motivations. This is about your right to cast your vote by NOT attending. I mean, I'm not a "Trekker/Trekkie". Not that there's anything wrong with that. (Well...see "Trekkies" and think it over) I just don't like to see franchises like this become farces and profit still, thusly allowing the micromanagement and "reimagining" that "Rings" and "Potter" somehow semi-miraculously bucked to proliferate. Plus, guys like Berman win again. P.S. Wasn't there talk of Harry Potter being set in high school in Beverly Hills? Seriously. (Although an almost eighteen Hermione in a belly shirt and plaid skirt...nah, not worth it)

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Enterprise does have potential

    by TheMatarife

    I know its pretty mediocre right now, but it is way better than voyager. It has decent internal continuity, and Bakula has been able to act in the past. If they got some great writers on board we could see some good stuff. I still say they should bring back the creative teams responsible for DS9. Put Behr and Moore in, or maybe some other guys from the show, and give them free reign to do what ever they want, and support them with a good budget. At least the TREK novels are doing well.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Even though everyone else thinks otherwise,

    by MatherGeek

    I think that "Voyage Home" was the begining of the end of ST. Think about it. It was the first ST movie where there were no starship battles and also the start of the touchy feely pc ST.I've heard Nimoy brag that it's the first ST movie that noone dies in. Shut up, you green-blooded fag. The only way to do a final NG movie is to bring back TOS cast and have it be a menace of universal proportions. And like someone already said, have it be rooted in pre-existing ST myth. Oh and btw, why does everyone hate "search for Spock"? I thought it was a good movie, but my view may be tainted because I was a kid at the time and really liked TWOK. If a couple of haters would explain to me why it wasn't one of the top three movies, it would help. I know it has a weak ending that goes on way too long, but what are the other reasons it sucks? Oh yeah, and before I forget, bing back Shatner.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Nemesis

    by Maiden

    I'll still go see it despite Harry's review....but it'll still be only a warmup for LOTR:TTT!

  • I have seen tons of advertising for this movie on TNN, SCI-FI, UPN (of course), NBC, FX, etc. I wonder if you have cable... All you people who are crying and complaining about how you can make Trek better: STFU because you can't do anything about it. Blow all the hot air you want, guys. I will go see this movie no matter what. ___---KNEEL---___

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Give It A Name...

    by 20th Century Fox

    ...YES you are so right. The film industry is misleading people everywhere when they do not adjust for inflation. But lets take this to another level with the ST films...St:TMP grossed 130 million in 1979. Now today that seems a weak B.O. gross but when you look at the cost of ticket prices in 1979 (Maxium cost was about $3.00 USD) you realise that a WHOLE lot more people saw TMP then saw First Contact in 1996 (Max Ticket Price about $7.50) Paramount knows this very very well. Whats most likely going to happen is that this will be the last ST film and well get more crpaay TV TREK on UPN where its still profitable...

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:07 p.m. CST

    They Should have made the Gorn The bad guys

    by GornPirate

    And then let the Gorn shoot B&B into deep space so we can finally get some Decent Trek to be made.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Good point, Nosferatu Jones, re: forbidden planet

    by the G-man

    Maybe Berman and Braga out to simply buy the rights to "FP" and remake it as a "Trek" film.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Likely last Trek

    by Bond7

    I hope Harry's wrong, but my instincts say he's right. All the scenes that have been cut from the movie: Data/Picard after the wedding, etc., sound like the best scenes from the movie! First Contact rocked, and I didn't think Generations and Insurrection were that bad, but it has been disappointing to me that such a great show (with some wonderful episodes) has produced such average films. I'm guessing it makes $28-$32 opening weekend and then gets crushed by Two Towers. Final Gross: $85 million US.

  • Dec. 11, 2002, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I was on the fence about this movie...

    by Saluki

    ... And now I am not even going to bother with it. The costumes and posters and most everything else really, in the end, look like utter shit. Buy the new TNG DVD boxset instead.

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 12:48 a.m. CST

    AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRgh!!

    by TheGinger Twit

    fuck you Berman!

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 1:29 a.m. CST

    No, Harry, how do you REALLY feel?

    by RichardtheSmith

    Harry, there are certain rules to reviewing a movie... 1. Don't walk into a screening with a chip on your shoulder. 2. Review the movie that was made, not the movie you wish they made. I have no issue with you passing off your personal fanboy likes and dislikes as objective critical judgements, but I have a hard time with the way you go back and forth between reviewing styles and perspectives based on what mood you happen to be in. I guess Star Trek under Berman is an emotional issue for you. For others it's what Lucas is doing to Star Wars. I guess it all works out in the end. Thanks for the review. You have made sure that I will go see the movie simply to see if you were right or wrong. Hey, maybe Paramount isn't so dumb after all...

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 1:38 a.m. CST

    hey harry

    by osu_84

    how many times can an old disgruntled fanboy who can't let go of his childhood go to the "well kirk could kick picard's ass" argument?

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Here's how you make Star Trek good again:

    by Zone Zero

    You let it die. Then, 7 or 8 years later, make a movie about First Posters and Haters getting flushed out an airlock. Then show a bunch of Trekkies getting their molecules scrambled in a transporter accident. Now that's entertainment. Bonnnngggg....

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Read other reviews here....

    by wyldwolf

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/StarTrekNemesis-1117268/ So far, NOT rotten. You can even look at reviews of past ST movies for comparison.

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Forbidden Planet was the template for ST

    by semisentient

    I agree with Nosferatu Jones, Rodenberry was inspired by forbidden planet. I watched TOS over and over as a kid and still rank some episodes from it as some of the best Treks ever. The "Cage", "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Doomsday Machine" are fantastic. When the STNG came along I was not impressed but after a while it hit it's stride and became a great show. I never really watched DS9, it was not my type of Trek, however, I think it was a well made show. Voyager.... Wow! great music, laaaame show. Enterprise..... Wow! bad music and such a wasted chance. I dreamt of a series set before Kirk for years.. all the possibilities and now that it's here it is unwatchable to me. When I read that the way they were going to fix it was to make it "sexier" I laughed. Sex is great! I love sex, lol, but it isn't why I watch Star Trek. Sexy costumes are fine but characters like 7 of 9 get really boring without intelligent action around them.

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Some thoughts

    by DarkFire

    Harry -- never let your ranting post before researching what you have said is right. Ships going through shields? There is precidence!! Think back to the two-part episode where Picard got changed into a Borg--when they went to rescue him they punched a SHUTTLECRAFT through BORG shields!!

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK NEM-A-MESS REVIEW (SPOILER FREE)

    by Neutral_Density

    A friend of mine won passes to see "Star Trek: Nemesis" on Wednesday, December 11. Let me start off by saying, I was eagerly anticipating this film. "Nemesis" is not "Khan", or "Undiscovered Country" (the best Trek films in my opinion). The film doesn't have any urgency to it. It doesn't have that "this is the film that is going to wrap up the franchise" feel. It is not epic in scope like "Khan" or "Undiscovered Country". Actually, I think that if you are to make a direct comparison, it is trying to be more like "Undiscovered Country" but fails spectacularily. Let me explain: In "Undiscovered Country" there is a lot of political talk. This is also true in "Nemesis". The only difference is that there isn't any intelligence behind the politics, there is nothing at stake for the so-called revolution led by Shinzon. It all too quickly degenerates into a vendetta (literally, in every sense of the word). But even this has no reason. There are no reasons for anything that happens in this film. There is no reason for Shinzon to be an enemy of either Picard or the Federation. This is the first Trek movie in which I didn't care about the characters. There weren't any scenes that delved into the characters. Which is sad, because the end of the film could have been far more poignant had they given us some small scenes to allow us to empathize with our old friends once again. After all, they have been off the TV now for eight years. Even Jackass had more character development. Picard using ICQ to talk to Troi was a load of bullshit. Kirk didn't plan strategy with the com on to Khan. People laughed when the inevitable "there go the transporters" scene occurred. It's truly a funny moment (however unintentional it may be). Also, if Shinzon is a clone of Picard, we should be able to have the greatest space battle in the history of Trek. There should be strategies, counter strategies etc. since they are the same person- Picard vs. Picard. Instead, what you get is a bunch of blind shots at a cloaked ship. What made "Khan" memorable was the strategy, and the WAIT for the implementation of the strategy on both sides. All we have in "Nemesis" are badly paced action sequences and poorly done CGI (the textures on the ships looked like something out of a Nintendo 64 game... Give me back my models!) The ONLY redeeming scene in the film is when the Enterprise collides into the Scimitar. Which as you mentioned, doesn't make any sense. The only shot in the movie that gave me slight goosebumps was the slow and silent arc (thank God for that reprieve from Jerry Goldsmith's aural laxative of a score) around the two ships pulling out of each other, staring dead on into each other's destroyed bows (the one pictured in the ad in Variety a couple weeks back, asking for "Nemesis" to be considered for various Oscars. Insert your own witty joke here________).. and that's really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I HATE TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T LIKE THE MOVIE. But at least I got in for free. Oh well, as the old adage goes "You get what you pay for". Neutral Density

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 1:42 p.m. CST

    fettatastic

    by joshsisk

    Actually, there are quite a bit less theatrical releases coming out of the studios each year now than in the 30s & 40s. Also, they wouldn't just have one movie playing in a town for months, either. The studios owned many (most?) of the theaters and would rotate their movies through, with matinees and double features. I mean, just look at the filmographies for directors of the period - they all were getting 2 or 3 movies released in any given year at that time! That's rare these days. Soderberg seems like he's trying to do it, but it's making his quality really suffer.

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 5:06 p.m. CST

    HK Really dumb

    by Lardcarcass

    Ok let me start by saying that Harry Knowles is an idiot. This review of Nemesis proves it. I

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Did you even see it?

    by Lardcarcass

    Ok let me start by saying that Harry Knowles is an idiot. This review of Nemesis proves it. I

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Unbelievable

    by Lost in LA

    I just am not even able to comprehend the fact that this movie can possibly be bad. The Data sub-plot finally looks interesting, and there is finally a villan worthy of facing Picard in a movie. Nothing against Harry, but this movie looks incredible. So what if this movie has flaws. Every movie does. I just believe that based on what I have seen and heard, this movie just can't be as bad as Harry made it seem. So here's what i'm going to do and what you should do too: SEE IT! See it when it opens. Because in MY book this movie has the potential to be one of the 3 best ST movies of all time.

  • Dec. 12, 2002, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Have Moriarity review it. Harry is too much of a shill

    by MRE

    With Harry you don't know if he is mad at Paramount or not and this is just 'payback' for not lettting an extra tub of free popcorn at a previous screening. Harry probably thinks 'one bad word, and my minions will boycott the film'. Or Harry his site has to be LOTR friendly because they will provide a years worth of advertising for the LOTR:ROTK. Basically there have been a lot of Star Trek films that have been disappointing. This new film can't be as bad as ST:5 or the last one.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 12:53 a.m. CST

    it's beyond me

    by osu_84

    it's still beyond me how someone can actually say and believe that insurrection is worse than Trek V, insurrection was a flawed film, but not horrible, trek v was just bad, not only was the story not up to par, the entire thing just seemed cheap, and the continuity errors were a little too much to ignore

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Low Expectations

    by SCI FI CHICK

    I agree that the best TREK movie of the recent past was Galaxy Quest. I've seen all the 'official' TREK movies and haven't regretted the 2hrs spent in the theater, but only because I didn't expect to see Shakespeare, 2001:A Space Oddessey or even "good sci fi'. My only expectation was to see some 'good ole friends' on the screen again and maybe have a few laughs along the way. I will see ST:N, but I just haven't decided if it will be on the big screen or via DVD. Frankly, right now I'm more excited about rewatching the best sci-fi series of the last 20 years-- Babylon 5 on the First Season DVD set I just bought. Finally, my list of the top 5 most annoying aspects of recent ST movies: 1. The way Data--an andriod capable of amazing intellectual ability who has interacted with humans for many, many years--is still conveniently CLUELESS about the simpliest of human concepts (such as 'fun') when it serves the purpose of the script. Lame, just lame and a waste of Brent's talents. And fuck Data's cat already! 2. Blow up the Enterprise! OH MY GOD, what an original concept! Berman must have a rule that by page 142 the script must have a 'BLOW SHIT UP' scene. 3. Why don't they just put Geordi, Crusher and Worf in red shirts already and acknowledge that they are EXTRAS in these films. 4. Picard, while sometimes being manly and strong, is also prone to "overly feminine" soft/emotional behavior. Hey, I'm all for the sensitive-guy type, but not leading my fricking starship. Picard, pick a gender orientation and stick to it. And stop eyeing Riker's ass. 5. Lack of Q. One of the best, most original of Trek's recurring characters. I don't think a movie's main theme should be built around Q, but certainly a 'B' story. PS. If the trend continues with women in catsuits so tight you can tell the diameter of their nipples as well as detect moles on their ass cheeks--I'm outta here for good. That is, unless there is equal time for a buff buck in skin-hugging suit with defined pouches for the meat and potatoes. Hey, it is only fair. Make it so.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 1:19 a.m. CST

    by abstractgeek

    I just saw the movie and this review couldnt be more wrong. it was a very entertaining movie, i really don't understand any of the negative reviews. i must have seen a different movie. this movie proves star trek is alive and well and the only thing wrong with it are fans who waste their time looking for reasons to hate it, and always with their own ideas of what star trek should be about. the bring back classic trek or captain sulu ideas are the worst. i hope this movie doesn't get too overshadowed by two towers, its a really good movie to anyone who hasnt already decided to hate it or star trek for whatever innane reason they may have

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Listen kids: A geek's opinion of a Trek pic.....

    by Viddy Well

    ..may be high on credibility but low on relevance to us non-geeks. Here endeth the lesson.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 5:52 a.m. CST

    ......

    by TVDX

    I am someone who started with TNG in its early days then went on to DS9, but then got lost around the time of the Dominion War. A couple of years later i re-discovered Trek with Voyager(I know, I know) and i still to this day stick with Enterprise. The difference with me was when i re-discovered the franchise, i was consdierably older with more money and the ability to spend a lot of hard earned cash on Merchandise, Merchandise and more Merchandise. So ive spent alot of time assembling DVD, Video and toy collections. This means that alot of my recent interest in Trek has been with what are known as the "Bland years". Needless to say im starting to feel Jaded, tired and sick of it all in some weird way that i wont admit to myself. The saddest thing about trek is the fact that its such a large expansive franchise with so much material, if your into it(and i mean really into it!), you watch and read everything about it thus meaning you dont have time for other sci - fi and films. Anyway back to the topic "Nemesis", i havent seen it yet, even though i feel like i have, i think ive seen pictures from all the main scenes so there will be nothing of a great surprise to me when i do get to see it. But to hear talk of charming Data scenes, and references to Marina sirtis as being a crack whore like diety makes me laugh. I think it really is "A generations final journey!".

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 9:24 a.m. CST

    I was afraid of this...

    by Mithril

    ever since Logan was announced as the writer. I mean, come on, the guy has mostly written illogical, dumb, and saccharine shit. "The Time Machine"? Love Guy Pearce, but the story is just shit and full of plot holes. And "Gladiator"? Don't get me started. Apart from some cool action sequences and Russell Crowe being charismatic, the movie is total crap! Lousy acting and such a terrible script... Plot holes abound, ridiculous lines, ideas and the most god-awful, saccharine scene in the history of movies with that crap "Elysian fields" bit... Logan, you bastard, you've managed to ruin an even-numbered Trek film! I hope you're happy now!

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 10:37 a.m. CST

    This is a GREAT movie!!!!!

    by LordZanthos

    Both Harry and Miss DuPont are so incredibly wrong in their assessment of Star Trek: Nemesis that I have no words for how badly their diatribes read after having seen the movie myself last evening at a theater

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 3:05 p.m. CST

    This is all designed to get presents for Harry

    by Zeframcochrane

    He didn't get anything from Paramount so Nemesis sucks. Wake up guys Harry's in this for himself not you.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 3:14 p.m. CST

    So you're going to judge this film on a single review

    by Dave Bastard

    So Harry didn't like this movie, you've read his review and you're going to take it as gospel, and then jump on the bandwagon and flame this film for all it's worth, don't be a sheep, go see the movie for yourself and then make your own judgments. I saw the trailers, they looked fantastic, but a trailer is designed to be like that, it's the bait that gets your arse on the seat at the cinema. Star Trek has been way off course for a long time, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga have essentially milked the franchise for all it's worth, these guys can see where Paramount are going with Trek's future, so they want to rake in the dollars before they get fired, and I can't blame them, they're only covering their arse's, but they've done it at the expense of the franchise. Sure enough the movies have kept churning out, so far they have had one good Next Gen film "First Contact" but the others have been less than enjoyable, either poor shadows of a great show, or films that try to be like a Sunday afternoon family film. Many of you who have posted here and on previous Trek talk backs have hit the nail on the head, the problem is Berman and Braga, if they where to be ousted and a new team with fresh ideas where put at the helm, then we may see a vast improvement, until then we'll keep being fed the same shit.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 5:06 p.m. CST

    I am gratefull for the negative reviews

    by zathras34

    I just got done seeing "nemesis" and thanks to harry and all the negative reviews out there, I went in with a negative attitude about this movie, but only a few things about it were cheesy... I kept saying to myself..what letter of the alphabet are we up to in enterprises??...P?? Q???.. who knew...and the fact that the ship did not blow up was corny.. but other than that..it had alot of good stuff..not all bad.. I agree with what another talk backer said...its like a trip to the dentist..and having a good bill of health.. go see it.....enjoy it.. I recomend a matinee like I just did..not to spend as much money.. But if one thing came out of all the negative reviews is the fact that I came out liking this film.. alot better than "insurrection".. and just go away "star trek five" you are no longer needed... (AND WITH THE ROMULANS....I KNEW I WASNT GOING TO GET IT IN THIS FILM, BUT PLEASE..UPDATE THE STORY WITH SPOCK ON ROMULAS..) so in closing...harry and fellow negative reviewers gave me a xmas presant I did not expect...liking the movie..and enjoying it after going in with all the negativity.. thanks harry...merry christmas sir.. with respects..zathras

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I am gratefull for the negative reviews

    by zathras34

    I just got done seeing "nemesis" and thanks to harry and all the negative reviews out there, I went in with a negative attitude about this movie, but only a few things about it were cheesy... I kept saying to myself..what letter of the alphabet are we up to in enterprises??...P?? Q???.. who knew...and the fact that the ship did not blow up was corny.. but other than that..it had alot of good stuff..not all bad.. I agree with what another talk backer said...its like a trip to the dentist..and having a good bill of health.. go see it.....enjoy it.. I recomend a matinee like I just did..not to spend as much money.. But if one thing came out of all the negative reviews is the fact that I came out liking this film.. alot better than "insurrection".. and just go away "star trek five" you are no longer needed... (AND WITH THE ROMULANS....I KNEW I WASNT GOING TO GET IT IN THIS FILM, BUT PLEASE..UPDATE THE STORY WITH SPOCK ON ROMULAS..) so in closing...harry and fellow negative reviewers gave me a xmas presant I did not expect...liking the movie..and enjoying it after going in with all the negativity.. thanks harry...merry christmas sir.. with respects..zathras

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 10:19 p.m. CST

    He was right-SPOILERS!!!

    by humbleopinion

    I desperately wanted Harry to be wrong...but he wasn't...he was so, so, so, right. This film was, at best, a huge disappointment. It is not a horrible film on the level of say, "Dude, where's my car?" It is a total demonstration of what happpens when those who are unfamilair with established subject matter try to build on it. This film felt like it was attempting to re-write what has been established since 1987. The characters on the screen suddenly seemed-pardon the pun-alien to me. Its as if the writer and director completely disregarded everything but the names of the characters and the ship. For God's sake, at one point Worf actually says "The Romulans fought with honor." Worf said this!! He is known for his loathing of anything and everything Romulan. Also amiss was Data's emotion chip...like WHERE did it GO!?!?! Throughout the whole movie he was acting like he was still on the small screen...even up to the point that he commits suicide to save everyone. Even in this final grand act--No EMOTION!! This film desperately tried to be Wrath of Khan. It Failed. And that is a damn shame. Such a waste.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Better than Star Wars: Revenge of the Nipple

    by IamNotSpock

    I mean really, that was a laughably bad movie. At one point I almost broke into song. "The hills are alive..." I just saw Nemesis, and it wasn't great, but it was good.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Saw it; Not a steaming pile of crap but pretty flat

    by Oberon

    Perhaps it was Harry's review and the low expectations it engendered, but I didn't have the same visceral reaction to it. It wasn't "Final Frontier" horrible or anywhere close to it; not evem "Insurrection" bad. What it was was poorly paced, flat and mostly uninvolving. Unlike Khan the cast member death didn't pack an emotional punch. Shinzon never achieved what he could have as a truly terrifying or evil villain. None of the regulars save Stewart and Spiner get any real screen time or development (as usual). The movie never reaches a real climax or real sense of danger, like First Contact, Khan or Undiscovered Country managed. The FX certainly are a step up, by and large, save of course for the makeup and some of the sets. All in all: simply a mediocre effort, mildly diverting, some decent eye candy, but ultimately rather hollow and a disppointment given the trailers and the early buzz. I give it about a 5 out of 10.

  • Dec. 13, 2002, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Finally A Film For Real Fans

    by madcrip

    Harry, What the fuck movie did you watch??? How can you say this film is complete shit? I went in with low expectations and was pleasntly surprised. I found a film that wasn't purfect, but wasn't "SHIT" either. At least this movie has some attempt at character development. (Unlike episode II) I am a lifelong Star Wars fan that has seen effects take the place of the story itself. It seems that Trek finally figured that out!! Logan obviously wrote this for true fans. Star Trek is past it's prime, but let people make up their own minds

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 12:38 a.m. CST

    God Harry, loosen up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by conrad7

    I usually dont post comments like this, as there is usually no need to, but god harry, loosen up. I cant belive you couldnt find one good thing about this movie! I just came back from seeing it and all I can say is go see it again and stay awake this time. The people in the multi-plex with me (around 65 people) all loved it and said its about time the star trek films seem to be back on track! Did someone in the trek family do you wrong? I mean this wasnt a review, it was a complaing hate collum, from start to finish, usually your reviews are right on and are always great reading, but this time harry, god you went way overboard. Just because the movie didnt meat your personal vision or live up to your expectations, no need to bury it in a shitpile. people need to stop bitching about what Star trek should be, and appreciate what it is. To many people complain about everything, like with the new show Enterprise, all these crybabys that dont like the opening credits, come on, loosen up! The days of kirk and Spock are over, and if the next generation crew looks tired, its probably because they have done this for 15 years! And just my opinion, you have to have been drunk when you saw this, Marina Sirtis, standing there in a silk nightie with her perky gumdrops sticking out, yum! Come on Harry, give the movie a chance before you destry it with such a hatefull review. RESPECTFULLY, Conrad

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 12:38 a.m. CST

    BigTuna - you've got it bass ackwards

    by WayOutWest

    When they advertise the crap out of it on TV it means they know it blows and want to get as many people as possible to see it the first two days before the bad Word Of Mouth spreads. They even teach this in MBA programs now. Star Trek? Does anyone even care? When does The Matrix Reloaded come out?

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 12:53 a.m. CST

    harry can blow my balls HAHA

    by bwc

    harry's "review" is just a stupid rant only bringing up the bad points of the movie, and exaggerating them greatly. nemesis is pretty good, and while it isn't that involved or dramatic or anything, these "plot holes" that harry magically discovers don't exist at all. if he would take his fat face out of the popcorn bag and pay attention, he would realize that. they couldnt exactly transport an away team over with NO POWER, just one man. picard WANTED to self destruct to cripple the scimitar, but they COULDNT, so he had to try to ram them, you fucking shamu bitch. id get into it more, but i want to keep this relatively short.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 1:18 a.m. CST

    character development

    by osu_84

    to the guy who said that logan disregarded what the characters had become over the course of the show and the movies, what the hell are you talking about? logan nails these characters perfectly, part of why data did what he did was due to his emotions, and what is wrong with worf saying the romulans fought bravely? sure he hates romulans, but kirk hated klingons and i doubt you were complaining when he embraced peace with the klingons in tuc. some of you people really need to grow up, and get over your childish behavior towards modern trek, sure it's not all good, but neither was the original. this movie ranks with any of the original series movies

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 1:28 a.m. CST

    AOTC made $308 million...

    by Spelunker Gregg

    ...but so did another lil' film. You might remember it. It starred Ferris Bueller and had a 200 foot tall Iguana tear-assing NYC. Or then again, maybe you don't.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 2 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Review

    by Now Sounds

    Plot SPOILER Harry's missed the target here. While he has some valid points, he seemed to have it in for Star Trek before he saw the film. The same way he has certain opinions for Star Wars and James Bonds. This was a good film. See the Odd and Even rule, but it was more on par like "Undiscovered Country". Not one of the best, but far from the worst. The worst would have to be the first one, only because Paramount insisted on showing slow-moving scenes of the ship and not getting to the characters. Plus, Kirk's toupee was just wrong in that movie. The main problem I found with Nemesis was how much it took from "Wrath of Khan", including going into some nebula. Oh, they called it something it something else, but it was a nebula. Then, that doomsday poison stuff was just like Genesis, only in reverse. Then, there's the similarity with the end of Spock, and the end of a major character for Next Gen. Did anyone notice how that Next Gen's character's personality got transplanted into another character, ala SPpock and Bones from "Wrath"? Quips, aside, I still enjoy seeing these guys. I hear a rumor that Riker will have his own TV show. I'm looking forward to it. I think the next Gen movie should feature Q and focus on "phasing" from the TV show feature which was like cloaking but allowed the characters like that Bajoran lady to walk through solid objects. That was a cool sci-fi idea, not explored. A no brainer. He could correct any mistakes the writers make on Nemesis, including the banishment of Berman. Oh and another point. Nemesis could have been worse. We cold have seen all the characters NAKED for that big wedding. Woo Hoo. Dodged that one. Finally. Most of the criticsm here on Star Trek is often plots or budget, but rarely on acting. So even bad ones are watchable again and again, because we have come to care about these chaacters and are more forgiving. The same can't be said for the new Star Wars because of the wooden acting - even the lots is better. This being my furst posting ever. I suddenly get scared as I re-read my eview and realize now that I Understand why Harry's reviews are always disjointed. Apologies. Two Towers Wednesday!

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Harry is a DUMBASS this movie KICKED ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by zillabeast

    Holy shit I am finally convinced Harry Knowles has lost it all togeather. First off, this was an awesome movie period. Second off, if you're a REAL fan of Trek (unlike Mr. Knowles) then this movie especially FUCKING ROCKED for you. I just dont get it. I am so fucking glad I waited to read this review till after I saw it because this film was TREMENDOUS!! So Harry, SUCK MY BIG TREKKIE BALLS BECAUSE I JUST SAW STAR TREK: NEMESIS AND I CANT WAIT TO SEE IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 3:54 a.m. CST

    "Mesa Loved (Jar Jar Binks)" -- Harry Knowles

    by Darth Taun Taun

    Here's the thing about Trek films - even if they completely suck, they have the potential to ask complex questions while filling a certain sci-fi geek quota. "The Final Frontier" was horrible for the most part, but it did ask what role pain plays in our lives. I remember that more than anything from "The Motion Picture" or "Search for Spock." While I think "Nemesis" ranks slightly above middle (for Trek films), it asks an excellent question. How is our capacity for good or evil influenced by our experiences in life? Are we who we are because of our childhoods, or in spite of them? This is the smallest of the Trek flicks, basically revolving around three characters. I don't mind that. I actually enjoyed it. There's really no reason for anyone to follow Harry's recommendations - there's rarely any coherence behind his arguments. (See the subject title for evidence of this.)

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Harry is right!!!!!!!!! (Spoiliers)

    by RedScab

    Harry I hate you because you were right on the money with your review. I just saw this film and I walked out of the theater completely disgusted. I was praying that this would be another First Contact but it was another Final Frontier. This film covered no new ground all the same themes have been covered in past films. This seemed like a remake of Trek III, from a major character's death and rebirth to trying to self-destruct the Enterprise. And what was up with that pointless fight scene between Frakes and the Reman!!! And where the hell did Worf go, half way through the film he just vanished. Berman has to go we need some new blood, new direction and new creative vision because this film was just plain bad and hard to watch. Star Trek deserves much better than this!!!!

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 9:01 a.m. CST

    you liked the Star Wars movies better than this?

    by The Dude Abides

    I saw the film. Last night. And it is light years more enjoyable than the two most recent Star Wars films. Your opinion is absolutely worthless Harry. Too bad you won't show your support for a franchise that needs help but you'll suck George Lucas' cock like a two-bit whore.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Finally, Proof That Harry Is A Studio Shill!

    by Shannon_Nutt

    Well, you really put all your eggs in one basket this year, Harry - NO ONE is going to trust your reviews again! First you tell us Episode II was fantastic...then you tell us that Star Trek: Nemesis is horrible! Granted, Nemesis isn't as good as Khan, but it's easily the best Star Trek movie we've seen with the Next Generation cast, and a wonderful 2-hours to spend at the theater. If I was a conspiracy freak, I'll almost suggest that the media (both on the net and in print) has a vendetta against the Star Trek franchise the way they've been bashing this film. Or perhaps (more likely) they've seen so many bad Star Trek movies in the last 10 years, that they don't understand what these films are supposed to be about. Don't listen to Harry or most of the critics out there, folks...if you're a Star Trek fan, this one's a winner!

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 11:41 a.m. CST

    you people are on crack - this movie blew chunks

    by Moose of Heaven

    and Trek is dead as it gets, my friends.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 1:53 p.m. CST

    What movie did you watch Harry?

    by Astronomer

    what the hell. I went to Nemesis friday afternoon dreading after reading your review. What movie did you watch? Were you on cold medicine? Or were you just pissed off so much that they killed Data that you had to had to rant (badly) about the whole movie. You make their excursion to the surface sound like they beamed into the middle of a city and started firing away. No, they were in a desert, the car was cool and typical star trek humor. Jeezus, my opinion of your reviews just went down about 10 notches. Are you that fucked in the head over The Two Towers that you must trash anything that comes out within a few weeks of it to feel manly? what a waste.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 2:51 p.m. CST

    OH RUBBISH. PLEASE READ.

    by Wolfman3

    I am SO TIRED of reading these posts about starting YET another weak Star Trek spinoff. Every nutty Trek fan has one. RUBBISH. I love TNG cast. Still do. The problem is with the producing and the writing... not the acting. I would be tedious on-screen too if I had to put up with some of the same ridiculous plot holes every two years. The producers keep coming up with the SAME movie formulas that sent the first set of movies off into mediocrity and recycling them over and over again. I remember after getting past the whole ridiculous "Generations" movie (after the old crew had ALREADY had it's big send off in the previous film), that fans were looking forward to TNG films. My question is this. Where the hell is Q? He was supposed to be one of the big villians / thorns in everyone's sides. If the TNG cast is tired of doing Star Trek, then perhaps they need to hire some good writers, bring Q back in and tie the whole thing together. I keep waiting for them to tie the end of the television series or the last two seasons in with the films. The last episode of TNG was great, leaving so many open doors as far as THE FUTURE. It tied back into the first episode. Aside from the Borg plots, there are other possibilities. Everyone keeps talking about The "Wrath of Khan, The Wrath of Khan." People, that was 20 years ago!!!! TNG needs to stop trying to formulize like the older mediocre films, and keep with the things that made it successful. So bring back Patrick Stewart for another sequel. Keep Brent Spiners hands off the script... bring some new blood in with the other actors who don't want as much screen time, and go out and kick some ass not ending in a whimper.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 3:09 p.m. CST

    To be fair

    by legion22

    All the Next Generation movies have sucked and the only really great Star Trek movie was the Wrath of Khan. Give Harry a break. I'm sure he would love to see a great Star Trek movie. They just don't make them. What happens when you combine poor acting and a bad script? You get Nemesis. Sure there is some eye candy, but nothing else. And yes does have an interesting idea, but ideas are cheap. Nemesis wraps itself in a nicely decorative box. But the box is empty. Stewart and Hardy are great. They work very well together. I love Dina Meyer and Ron Perman, but they have little to do. The script is just terrible. Rick Berman has to go back to getting coffee for the real people who make movies. Star Trek needs actors with talent, new writers and a new man at the helm who has the ability to make a great idea into a great movie. Gene Roddenberry is dead. Rick Berman has failed. Its time for a change.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 3:32 p.m. CST

    middle of the road

    by axlsalinger

    I saw "Nemesis" last night (luckily before reading Harry's spoiler-filled review) and can say that he has definitely over-reacted. I generally agree with Harry's reviews (notable exception: Clones) but in this case I don't. Not that Nemesis is a great film: it certainly is not. But is it worth seeing? Yes. It is frustrating since only a few Next Gen movies can be made, and so far none of them are great. "All Good Things" is better than any of these movies. First Contact is the best one, but had to rely on on a very shaky time travel premise to do it. Nemesis IS better than Insurrection, folks. While I thought Insurrection was okay for the first half, it went to hell in the second half. Nemesis is also just okay for the first half, but it gets better and better as it moves towards the end. The makeup is fine, the acting is fine, the effects are fine. The script? It's okay. The end result? 3 stars out of 5... some entertaining bits (esp. the "ramming" scene) and some emotion towards the end. But it makes me mad because there are so many of us out here that could write and direct a better Star Trek film than this ... but we will never get the chance. Still, I would recommend seeing this one in the theatre. It may be the last Next Gen film, and it is, at the very least, pretty good.

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 4:06 p.m. CST

    some free advice for Rick Berman

    by axlsalinger

    Here is some free advice re: the next Star Trek film. Feel free to contact me - I would even write it for you. (though not for free!) It's really simple. Use Q. I mean, come on! Why has the greatest Trek character of all time not been featured in a Star Trek film?? This way, they could make a "Next Gen" film (the only recent show to connect with a mainstream audience,) but bring in Janeway and the Voyager crew. You could use some DS9 characters. You could even use some classic Trek &/or Enterprise characters. The possibilities are endless!! Use Q, but in a different way than ever before. It begins with a seemingly nefarious Q plot (a la putting Picard & humanity on trial.) But not all is as it seems. Why is Q acting strangely? Who is using Q and the Continuum for their own evil purposes? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAKE THE NEXT FILM A Q FILM!!!!!!! Ensure that you have a script better than any Trek film script ever before (Believe me, it all begins and ends with the script.) What worked in Wrath of Khan? What worked in Undiscovered Country? What worked in First Contact? What doesn't work in Generations, Insurrection or Nemesis? Stay away from flimsy time travel or Nexus "excuses." This could easily be the best Trek film ever made, and revitalize the franchise!!!

  • Dec. 14, 2002, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Q Saves Data in STAR TREK XI

    by Shannon_Nutt

    The above poster has an excellent idea...what if Q zapped Data off that ship right before it exploded? What if the shock wave of the explosion knocked Data's body parts back in time...where they were discovered by Shizon and put on the planet to lure Picard...that would mean Data actually discovered HIMSELF on that planet and that B-4 is actually Data himself...he just can't remember it yet! By the way, did anyone else wonder why there were no other ships or starbases in sight around Earth at the end of the film? Or why the ENTIRE fleet waiting for the Enterprise consided of about 8 starships? (according to the graphic in stellar catography?) Is the Federation that small now?

  • Dec. 15, 2002, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Are You People SERIOUS?

    by Vaebn

    Star Trek Nemesis was the absolute worst piece of garbage to hit theatres. I felt that I was insulting every movie currently out at the moment by viewing it - and I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan. The problem wasn't the movie itself (which was bad), but what the movie did to the franchise. I mean, I too thought Harry MUST have been overreacting with the blatant dismissal of the Prime Directive - but no! It's EXACTLY like he says! Remember how much effort the USED to put into avoiding detection? Now they just leap on down there with a frickin' JEEP and galavant around the countryside with a Klingon in the back seat. It was mindblowing. Then we have the whole lack of any space battle worth mentioning - it's SO TRUE what Harry says about seeing ALL of the Federation crew getting all decked out in combat gear and then they send PICARD over BY HIM-FUCKIN-SELF?!?!?!? /WHAT/!? I don't care HOW good the acting was (Riker? Troi? Worf? Oh, God, how could you say it was well acted...), or how excellent the special effects were (and they WERE pretty cool - even though they were horribly underused - why couldn't Shinzon have had THREE or FOUR ships instead of one, and why couldn't the Enterprise have been supported by some Fed ships?). The fact that the movie just crapped on everything Next Gen EVER said was ridiculous. How is Janeway an admiral again? Didn't she violate EVERY SINGLE ONE of Starfleet's perogatives in accomplishing the relatively unimportant task of seeing a couple hundred people home? How did the automatic self-destruct sequence MALFUNCTION? For God's sake, you hit a space rock and there's a containment breach - just have Geordie chuck a goddamn WRENCH into the warp core! And talk about a weak villain. Did he do ANYTHING in the whole movie? NO! Well, except act like a petulent teenager (and when Picard showed us that picture of 'him' as a kid, I'm sitting there going 'no, that's Shinzon in a Starfleet uniform - what the fuck?'), which he WAS, and get all cancerous and roll over and DIE all on his own! What a weak death scene! My God the probe whose secret weakness was WHALE SONG was cooler than that! Oh, my God the rant just never ends. And what's this about this emergency transporter thing? Uh, with all their replicator technology you're telling me they couldn't have made TWO of them?! Christ almighty. And exactly WHY did that crazy Romulan girl get all friendly with the Federation? A rather xenophobic race who's been at war with the Federation for HUNDREDS OF YEARS agrees to have a DRINK with Picard because they happen to share similar enemies for the time being? And where was the Tal Shiar? My God they didn't only destroy the Federation, they destroyed the third coolest villains ever (after the Borg and the Dominion). I think I'm done. No! Wait! Wasn't that Riker/Troi sex scene just TERRIFYING TO BEHOLD?! I was cowering in my seat whimpering 'Mommy' over and over until FINALLY that creepy demon thing took Riker's place and it suddenly became watchable. They HAVE to be the two most unattractive people in the history of cinema. I did NOT need to see them rutting like sweaty rabbits in springtime thank you very much. I just thank the DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN we weren't subjected to the naked Betazoid wedding they were threatening us with throughout the movie. The ominous spectre of that hanging over the proceedings was more terrifying than any potential destruction of Earth with a doomsday weapon - I think seeing Riker's hairy ass would have scared me for life. Oh, wait. Nemesis ALREADY scarred me for life.

  • Dec. 15, 2002, 2:21 p.m. CST

    What you talkin 'bout, Willis?

    by marburg

    I must say, I'm fascinated by the review. I very rarely read anything on AICN any more -- mostly because of the vapid yet accusatory nature of a lot of the reviews. It's a MOVIE! Enjoyment of it is bound to be subjective. The English Patient is a "great" film; and it just about put me to sleep. Actually, it did put me to sleep. It was my girlfriend that woke me up so the torture could continue. But I know plenty of people -- people with opinions I respect -- who loved that movie. So I don't go around flinging useless rants at it and complaining about everything. With Nemesis, I got *exactly* what I expected in a broad picture sense. If you look at the themes that Roddenberry's show dealt with, it was always about how humanity, kindness, benevolence, sharing, free thought, etc... can triumph over empires and evildoers. I was hoping for a nasty, well-acted, evil villain with a personal tie to Picard, and I got it. I was hoping for a "the Federation will be under attack" plot, and I got it. I was hoping for a few cool actions scenes, and I got them. I was hoping for a dramatic ending to a long series, and I got it. I wanted good drama set in space with ray guns and explosions. And that's what I got. I don't care about inconsistencies. This isn't Babylon 5, and it never has been. It's episodic, not epic, and it's always been that way. So who cares if the picture of Picard doesn't look like the actor did in "Tapestries" or that there was some looseness with Federation law. The connection between the characters was there. It gave us a friendly portrayal of a crew facing their last journey, and that was nice to see. It wasn't great sci-fi, and it wasn't great, period. But what Star Trek film (other than *maybe* Wrath of Khan or possibly ST VI: TUC) really was all that great? I recall reading interviews with Roddenberry that all said he was trying to create good drama with Star Trek. And I think they did a decent job here. Is it the best film I've ever seen? Hardly. But it gave me money's worth, and I got to see some good drama by a crew I've "known" for over a decade. And that's all I can ask for, so it's a good film by my measure.

  • Dec. 15, 2002, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Overreact much?

    by Darth_Durden

    I just got back from seeing it and it wasn't anywhere near as awful as Harry says it is. Not great, but a good Trek film and a decent one for TNG crew to go out on if it is, indeed, their last.

  • Dec. 15, 2002, 8:47 p.m. CST

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  • Dec. 16, 2002, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Ponder with me for a moment...

    by humbleopinion

    Kirk's death...I have been reading a lot lately about how people felt that Kirk's death was in not so many words--shit. I just would like some feedback on my idea about the whole thing. Now, I just want to preface this with a disclaimer. I am not disagreeing with anyone here about Kirk

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 2:20 a.m. CST

    PS...

    by humbleopinion

    One more thought...I do believe that Data's death was cheap, poorly designed, and an insult to anyone who loved his character, the crew, or the Star Trek legacy. Brent Spiner, I release you from any curse for your role in this...we all know, you may be a great actor, but a writer, you are not! However, I say to Rick Berman and John Logan for wasting him thusly... Burn in Hell...

  • Honestly, everything after Picard ended up in the Nexus would be so much more logical. ***STVII: Kirk dies and Picard gets to be all action hero and kick the baddies ass (and save the Enterprise and his crew). Picard obviously has felt like a pussy his whole life and envied Kirk for being more legendary and for being more of an action guy, so his Nexus dream kills off the rival and sets him up as a big hero. ***STVIII: Picard gets to kick the ass of the Borg, the one villain who've emotionally scarred him. He gets to be all "action hero in a vest" like friggin' Bruce Willis or something. Oh, and he gets the girl. And gets to have a hand in some of the most important events in Earth history by helping with the first warp flight and witnessing the first contact with an alien race. Which would also explain why Cochran is a human, unlike originally. ***STIX: Tired after those two Nexus romps, Picard amuses himself singing Gilbert & Sullivan, visiting a paradise planet, oh yeah and getting laid. Once again, he gets the girl, and gets to kick some serious ass. And he discovers the fountain of youth. Oh yes, like that obviously isn't an aging man's dream? ***STX: Yep, Riker and Troi get married, reaffirming Picard's fuzzy feelings about family (having lost his own right before ending up in the Nexus). Even the cutting of the Wesley scenes is explained by Picard's psychological block. He just doesn't want to see that annoying kid. Then he gets to kick ass again (honestly, this explains him beaming over to the enemy ship instead of Riker or Data or someone). And Data snuffs it, since Picard once again hates the competition. But B4 is there as a non-threatening version of Data so that the status quo is kept intact in Picard's mind. Oh, and Riker finally deciding to get his own ship just proves that this is all a fantasy. Riker actually jumping ship? Impossible! Obviously, even Picard is getting bored with his Number One never leaving.

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 12:45 p.m. CST

    THIS IS THE END OF TREK (HOPEFULLY)

    by hopefulFANBOY

    I watched this film in a crap-ass theater in glorious Michigan City, Indiana (don't ask.) The projection was piss-poor so whatever quasi-redeeming "visual effect" this film might have contained were lost on me. Trailers in a 2

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Harry...step down.

    by JangoFett1983

    Alright...Harry ive listened to your reviews for the last 3 years and i have to say you must like or dislike movies on the flip of a coin. Ill be honest, ive havent seen Nemesis yet, but cinemascore gave it A-. these are FANS talking. i know it might not live up to the caliber of KAHN but damn dont shit on sumthin youve grown up with. I mean hell, you praised eight legged freaks like it was a damn masterpiece. what next?

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Add this one to the list...

    by Harry=Idiot

    of reviews that Harry has been completely wrong about. Let's see, we have both Star Wars prequels, Armagadeon and any other Bay created crap, Die Another Day. Anyone care to add to the list of crap that Harry enjoys?

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I liked Nemesis!

    by asucolin

    Well flog me with a phaser! I liked Nemesis.

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: Nemesis (Spoiler Galore)

    by Mophstymeo

    There are lots of plot-points and spoilers below, so if you don't want to be spoiled and you wish to see the movie with virginal, untainted eyes, don't read any more and be contented with the following quick, informationless, totally meaningless and uninformative review: Story: B+; Script: B; Effects: A; Acting: A; Musical Score: A- Overall Score: A/A- This analysis is going to be slightly out of order and I might do some stream of consciousness stuff along the way. I preemptively apologize, therefore, for any rambling contained below. Let me first state that after seeing this movie, I am convinced, now more than ever, that reviewers don

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Nemesis

    by blahblah2343

    I totally agree with Harry's review. This movie sucks. I'm not a huge enough Star Trek fan to know the backstories to every show, but I've seen all the movies and think this was may be worse than Insurrection. There is no reason to get excited about anything. When the first scene with the crew starts off (at the wedding) with the crappy Star Trek humour us non-geeks who just want a good movie have to sit through just to get to the good stuff, we can tolerate this hoping some good will come of it. Nothing does. The Picard clone boy is a terrible actor, you don't care about anything he does, all I could think of was "Why does he had crooked teeth? Don't they have technology to fix his teeth? They can fly to other galaxies but can't give him braces?" I've been watching Patrick Stewart go around to the press saying this is the best Trek picture yet. I hope they're paying him a lot of money to do that. This may be the worst one ever, and yes, this is below Star Trek I and V. We've finally found a movie to break the odd-even curse, but did we need to do this? And the whole Data/B-4 subplot...I'm happy for Data...his death was at least heroic...but if B-4 is his subsitute for future offerings than get him to die heroically ASAP. Anyone who likes this movie might like something I did in the toilet this morning.

  • Dec. 16, 2002, 7 p.m. CST

    Worthless review

    by Boozy_Smurf

    Here's a thought fat man, how about instead of calling actors whores and hags we do a proper review of the plot. This lacked substance, and rang of an immature little boy who verbaly can't comment on something so he brings out the classless insults. Grow up.

  • Dec. 17, 2002, 3:50 p.m. CST

    by jactor007

  • Dec. 17, 2002, 3:53 p.m. CST

    by jactor007

    To say this was worse then insurrection or worse then V or I go smoke more crack please, thanks. I think this is the worse review of a movie yet. It was an enjoyable pic. I'm not relying on any reviews from this for a while. What did you think of that heap of shit called Solaris harry?. Maybe thats why I enjoyed this one so much. Solaris had me nodding off after 20 minutes. This at least had a pretty decent space battle.

  • Dec. 20, 2002, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Nemesis did not suck

    by JeffCNY

    I'm a filmaker and I feel that gives me a somewhat educated view on films. I stress somewhat because yes, opinions are just that. Nemesis is very well lit, like X files is well lit. They light what they want seen. The makeup is good, the design (romulans in TNG, are not) however Remens-good. Editing, however, running time and number of screens allowed be damned, its chopppy. SPFX, oh yeah I do those on computer, too. Good. Acting, good, no oscars awarded but believable. There is a better cut of this film that I cannot wait to see. Everyone I have watched it with, 3 times now, likes it. The end of **** should have been memoralized a bit better but damn if this was an episode on TV we'd be happy as all hell.

  • Dec. 20, 2002, 2:50 a.m. CST

    more

    by JeffCNY

    PS. Harry, I acknowledge the power that getting in ground floor on the internet has given you in Hollywood. I do however believe that writing reviews that are not balanced and are just rude is unworthy of that power. I cant believe you liked ATTACK of the CLONES over this. ATTACK looks awesome and thats it. The poor actors are self directed, never a good idea.

  • Dec. 22, 2002, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Nemisis is in BIG trouble

    by 20th Century Fox

    In its second weekend its dropped a whooping 76% Its gorssed only $25 Million USD so far...If these trends continue it will have truoble making $40 million. Which is 15 million less than Star Trek V which grossed $55 Million. Remeber that ticker prices were much less in 1989 than today so that means LESS people saw Nemisis than STV...Yes that is Sherry Lansing pushing rick Berman off the Paramount Water Tower....

  • Dec. 23, 2002, 8:57 a.m. CST

    NEM is Indeed in Big, Whopping Doo-Doo

    by Mophstymeo

    NEM is a box-office turd. And it's really sad that it is, because it's a pretty good flick. What makes it even sadder is that it's sister movie, Insurrection, which was admittedly lamer, will have done better than it. Well, it's about time Rick Berman got the old Heave-Ho.

  • Dec. 23, 2002, 12:48 p.m. CST

    face it, Trek is dead

    by RogueScribner

    It's all due to a waterdowned product that is oversaturating the industry right now. This franchise can't afford weak installments because that just gives people an excuse to give up on it. "Oh well, I guess Trek is tired and lame now. Let's move on!" It's sad to think that NEMESIS won't even out gross INSURRECTION. Not only did it have the weakest opening weekend in over 10 years, but it will probably be the lowest grossing pic. Not a good thing considering it was also the most expensive. ENTERPRISE has lost nearly half its audience compared to last season. The past two Trek films were stinkers. VOYAGER sucked ass. There hasn't been good Trek product since the mid '90s. The only hope this franchise has is to take a breather for about 6 to 10 years. Then bring in new talent to revive it. And only move forward with a new series or movie when and IF the new material is worth producing. And fresh. Right now everyone has a been there, done that attitude with Trek. There's nothing exciting about it anymore. Fall back, regroup and try again in ten years. That's your only hope. L8r

  • Dec. 23, 2002, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Are we noticing a pattern here?

    by Dave Bastard

    Funny isn't it how everyone who notices the problems with Trek, all come up with the same solution, get rid of Berman and Braga, maybe it's time Paramount listened to the fans.

  • Dec. 24, 2002, noon CST

    nemisis, Harry's review

    by chiral

    I liked the movie a lot more than I liked Harry's venom-filled, viceral review. I also thought it was on par with Clones. Two things, see the movie for yourselves on the big screen, and Troi was *beautiful and sexy* in this movie. I can forgive anyone for being wrong in a review, but Harry was unforgivably mean-spirited, vicous, and a rat when he reviewed Siritis's performance and appearance. One hand of Chiral.

  • Dec. 24, 2002, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I just reread Harry's review

    by RogueScribner

    It may come off as mean, but overall he's right. Berman went to the well once too many times for this shit. It wanted to be a whiz-bang action movie, but STAR TREK can't compete on that level anymore. Not in the face of new STAR WARS movies, LOTR and half a dozen other films that come out every year. STAR TREK needs to be about the characters, first and foremost. The characters drove the story in all the original crew STAR TREK films. There was never any action for action's sake, unlike in the Next Generation films. These aren't action movies. These are sci-fi adventure stories. Paramount needs to find out how to return the human element to the franchise so they can create some compelling drama. Characters first, action second. Remember that. L8r

  • Dec. 27, 2002, 12:02 a.m. CST

    A Petition to Oust Rick Berman!

    by EasyMediumHard

    Attention all of Geekdom... In light of Nemesis's failure t the box office, and the fact that Enterprise's ratings seem to have no bottom, we have a unique opportunity to speak out to Paramount and actually have them (gasp) listen to us for a change. The reason should be obvious, but I'll state it anyway. Previously Paramount has thought that no matter how crappy the product is, we will go see it & they will have a guaranteed profit. As we can see with the box office gross of Nemesis, they can no longer be lazy. Please sign the petition in the link below and let Paramount know we fans will no longer tolerate the pedestrian *beep* that Star Trek has been reduced to these days. Maybe if this petition gets enough signatures, Paramount will finally "reassign" (to put it mildly) Berman & Braga from their positions as the heads of the Star Trek franchise. Here's the link: [url]http://www.petitiononline.com/antiBerm/petition.html[/url] Also, please spread word about this petition. The more sigs it gets the better. My eMail address is: EasyMediumHard@aol.com

  • Dec. 28, 2002, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Nemesis is good Star Trek.

    by Derek1227

    I've read the reviews on this site for several years, including Harry's review of "Nemesis." I went to the theatre expecting "The Final Frontier", or something worse. "Star Trek: Nemesis" is an enjoyable film, a good film, a film worthy of the Star Trek franchise. "Nemesis" is a film that is only slightly bested by "The Wrath of Khan," save for visual effects, which are outstanding. All of the criticisms I've read of this film can be applied to the very best, most beloved Trek, whether on the small or big screen. I find it hard to believe that a critic who nearly shot a load over "Attack of Clones" finds "Nemesis" such an awful film, just as I find it difficult to understand how one believes "The Wrath of Khan" worked, but "Nemesis" does not. There seems to be an odd kind of Trek cannibalism going on, where fans who've either grown tired of Trek, or simply outgrown it, now eat it alive for just being Trek. What should Trek be, if not "The Wrath of Khan," "The Undiscovered Country", or "Nemesis?" How is the lighting in this film lacking; yet, Nicolas Meyer was a genius with his shadowy environs for the Enterprise of his film? I can go on, comparing some of the most beloved episodes or films in the Trek catalog, finding exactly the same faults that the bandwagon finds with "Nemesis." My advice to anyone who has taken to heart the "me too" vitriol concerning this film: go to the movie expecting it to suck. You'll be surprised.

  • Dec. 28, 2002, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Nemesis is good Star Trek.

    by Derek1227

    I've read the reviews on this site for several years, including Harry's review of "Nemesis." I went to the theatre expecting "The Final Frontier", or something worse. "Star Trek: Nemesis" is an enjoyable film, a good film, a film worthy of the Star Trek franchise. "Nemesis" is a film that is only slightly bested by "The Wrath of Khan," save for visual effects, which are outstanding. All of the criticisms I've read of this film can be applied to the very best, most beloved Trek, whether on the small or big screen. I find it hard to believe that a critic who nearly shot a load over "Attack of Clones" finds "Nemesis" such an awful film, just as I find it difficult to understand how one believes "The Wrath of Khan" worked, but "Nemesis" does not. There seems to be an odd kind of Trek cannibalism going on, where fans who've either grown tired of Trek, or simply outgrown it, now eat it alive for just being Trek. What should Trek be, if not "The Wrath of Khan," "The Undiscovered Country", or "Nemesis?" How is the lighting in this film lacking; yet, Nicolas Meyer was a genius with his shadowy environs for the Enterprise of his film? I can go on, comparing some of the most beloved episodes or films in the Trek catalog, finding exactly the same faults that the bandwagon finds with "Nemesis." My advice to anyone who has taken to heart the "me too" vitriol concerning this film: go to the movie expecting it to suck. You'll be surprised.

  • Dec. 28, 2002, 9:44 p.m. CST

    "Nemesis" is good "Star Trek"

    by Derek1227

    I've read the reviews on this site for several years, including Harry's review of "Nemesis." I went to the theatre expecting "The Final Frontier", or something worse. "Star Trek: Nemesis" is an enjoyable film, a good film, a film worthy of the Star Trek franchise. "Nemesis" is a film that is only slightly bested by "The Wrath of Khan," save for visual effects, which are outstanding. All of the criticisms I've read of this film can be applied to the very best, most beloved Trek, whether on the small or big screen. I find it hard to believe that a critic who nearly shot a load over "Attack of Clones" finds "Nemesis" such an awful film, just as I find it difficult to understand how one believes "The Wrath of Khan" worked, but "Nemesis" does not. There seems to be an odd kind of Trek cannibalism going on, where fans who've either grown tired of Trek, or simply outgrown it, now eat it alive for just being Trek. What should Trek be, if not "The Wrath of Khan," "The Undiscovered Country", or "Nemesis?" How is the lighting in this film lacking; yet, Nicolas Meyer was a genius with his shadowy environs for the Enterprise of his film? I can go on, comparing some of the most beloved episodes or films in the Trek catalog, finding exactly the same faults that the bandwagon finds with "Nemesis." My advice to anyone who has taken to heart the "me too" vitriol concerning this film: go to the movie expecting it to suck. You'll be surprised.

  • Dec. 29, 2002, 4:48 a.m. CST

    TNG is not on TV anymore......

    by shuruga

    so stop saying this would be a great 2 part episode. Harry is absolutely right on in his review. This sucked hard. This time around, they actually have enough money for a real budget, and this is the end product? I would much rather have paid my money to go see a Shatner interview and LMAO than have gone to see this mess. Berman deserves to be fired immediately, tied up and forced to listen to "It's been a long time...." from Enterprise over and over until he finally admits he should have chosen a real opening song for Enterprise. He has managed to ruin something that means so much to so many people and he just doesn't care. Somebody stop him please.

  • Dec. 29, 2002, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Finally got around to seeing it, and--

    by Noriko Takaya

    --yeah I admit it: it was a pretty good flick. There were some logical inconsistancies here and there plot-wise but over all it didn't suck. . .unlike Insurrection, which was just flat-out horrid. And Marina Sirtis looked fine so lay off her. So I was wrong to be so afraid of Nemesis; blame Insurrection for that. Still, Harry is right about a lot of things in regards to this flick. It really *did* feel like a TV movie or even just an expensive episode of TNG rather then a big-screen motion picture. Say what you will about Attack of the Clones but by god that was a MOVIE and a 1/2! They shelled out for that mutha and it showed. There was a lot of energy there, things happening all of the time. Nemesis OTOH, in addition to its small-screen feel had this underlying current of tiredness about it. I don't know. I just think that with the recent box office failure of this movie plus the flatlining of Enterprise's ratings Trek needs to go away for awhile--at least a few decades, possibly forever. Lets see what can happen with a Farscape movie or something. Toppu o Nerae!

  • Dec. 30, 2002, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Still pissed it got yanked from television

    by Kilgora

    I'm still trying to get over the fact that they pulled one of the best written and produced TV shows on the air (at that time) in order to make more money and to try to gain more respect by making moves... the problem? The movies are not really worthy of the large screen - even if they were TV episodes, they would have been considered bad ones. Except for First Contact, the films lack any sense of vision, which is required for sci fi movies; the story lines are weak; the main characters are mostly wasted; the wry sense of humor that they showed on TV is gone; etc, etc, etc. And let's face it people, the only ones who can really act well enough for the big screen are Brent and Patrick. Lack of superb acting talent can be mostly overlooked or at least made less important on TV, but when you see bad acting up there on the big screen, it's physically painful. The movies for the original series were tolerable because they were often times better or as good as the TV show (arguably). What I find really galling about the TNG movies is that the series was actually very very good. So with every new ST:TNG movie that comes out, the memory of the television series is tarnished. Stop already!

  • Dec. 30, 2002, 4 a.m. CST

    Since everyone who saw Nemesis is accounted for right here...

    by Confabulat

    Just adding my two cents. Berman & Braga have destroyed this franchise. You've heard it before, just restating the obvious. Nemesis was godawful. I laughed more in this flick than I did in "Adaptation." The people behind Star Trek...why don't they let humans act like humans? Why is Data solemnly mourned, while the guy who flew out the bridge never mentioned again? It's all been said. Star Trek used to be cool, now it sucks, and it is the fault of the jackass fucking morons Berman & Braga. If I knew where they lived, I'd throw toilet paper on their houses. Let Joss Whedlon make "Firefly" again, this time in the Star Trek universe. If UPN had signed him for "Star Trek: Firefly", we would be some happy geeks right now...

  • Dec. 30, 2002, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Petition? Hell, just stop watching this it!

    by Precinct13

    What's the point in going to all the trouble of getting a petition going, when you know the studios don't even look at that stuff! If you really want to cast your vote towards the ousting of Berman and company, stop watching "Enterprise" and stop paying to see more drivel like "Nemesis"!

  • Dec. 31, 2002, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Two big plot holes Harry missed

    by jtp8000

    1.What the fuck was Worf doing in Starfleet uniform on the Enterprise? I thought he was an Ambassador now. Even if he was just there for the wedding he shouldn;t be a crewman. 2. It took Riker 15 fuckin years to become a captain? If he was a first office that long he would never become a captain- like that babe in the borg two parter- either move up or move over.

  • Jan. 2, 2003, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Better than Punch Drunk Love!!

    by Gungho

    A simple review for trek fans who have not yet seen the movie, Do not believe Harry. This movie was "watchable" and worth the $4.50 Canadian for 2 hours. Yes the plot is dumb and does not make sense but if that's why we watched Trek we would have abandoned long ago. No we watch for cool effects, beautiful space chicks and light humour. Patrick Steward said if this film does not make money there will not be another. Who wants to live in a world without trek I ask you all??? Go now and judge for yourself!

  • Jan. 2, 2003, 10:10 p.m. CST

    NEW RULE / That odd/even shit dosen't cut it anymore

    by Kentucky Colonel

    New rule for Star Trek Movies: Odds are bad (except STIII:TSFS...that one rules), Evens are good, Multiples of 5 are the worst. Nemesis is by far and away the most suck-ass Trek film yet. Yes, even worse then V. At least V had Spock & McCoy in it, and THEY didn't phone in their performances (Nimoy & Kelley, that is). Every line out of Pat Stewart's mouth sounds like it was put there by someone else. Too fucking glib. Is this the same guy who was raped by the Borg? And the gratutious sex scene? Was the scriptwriter 15 or what? I'll bet he's the guy UPN was aiming at by "T&A"'ing Trek up with 7 o' 9. Motherfucker! Didja jack off to her poster in the Star Trek Communicator, too? You pussy! I want to go on record as saying "FUCK YOU, ALL WHO ARE CURRENTLY INVOLVED WITH STAR TREK. YOU FUCKS HAVE RUINED WHAT WAS ONCE GREAT. FUCK YOU AND YOUR ACTION FIGURES, YOUR TOYS, YOUR TV SHOWS, AND BY THE WAY>>>GO FUCK YOURSELF<<<!" I think I'll go watch STII & STIII back-to-back and pine for the good old days. If I'm still awake I might just pop in "The Cage" to kick it olde-school. Fuck you Berman, you motherless fuck. Rot in hell!!! DIE DIE DIE!!!!

  • Jan. 3, 2003, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Not a good movie. But then, what makes a movie good?

    by Stuntmutt

    I agree with just about every word of the review. The main problem is there's just too much standing around and talking in Nemesis. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Patrick Stewart should don a vest and go all Bruce Willis on us (although Trek fans may remember he did a very good job of just such a conceit in the TNG episode 'Starship Mine'). Sure, I love good dialogue and there was the odd sweet line or two. But two hours of standing around exchanging banalities is not my idea of a great movie. I read with interest a talk back that claimed AOTC was worth it for the Yoda scene alone. I can't say I believe a single scene makes a movie good. It just means it has a good scene (like a good track on a duff album). And for me, there just weren't enough 'good scenes' in Nemesis. Simple as that.

  • Jan. 4, 2003, 10:50 a.m. CST

    It had it's moments.....

    by plushkelly

  • Jan. 4, 2003, 10:50 a.m. CST

    It had it's moments.....

    by plushkelly

    but, on the whole, it made me want to die.

  • Jan. 5, 2003, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Nemesis was great fun.

    by Gandalf78

    It was just released at the wrong time. December 13? 5 days beftre Lotr? It should've been in June, July, or even August. Secondly, no promotion. Films like Spider-Man and Men in Black were all over the place. On cereal, soda, candy, toys, and cloths. If this was to be the last Star Trek film, the promotion should have been enormous. I was shocked when I walked into the theater and there were only about seven people, including me. Oh well. Mabey they'll re-release this film before it goes on DVD. Or in another 5 years, they'ss make a DS9 movie. Like my topic says though, I had fun watching it.

  • Jan. 5, 2003, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Oops!

    by Gandalf78

    Mispell. I meant They'll. :-)

  • Jan. 5, 2003, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Critical Harshness

    by Cobra Critic

    I just watched the new Star Trek movie and left entertained. It is no Lord of the Rings but it is Star Trek. I can tell you it was better than AOTC (NOT IMAX FX version). So lighten up you stunned star trek no lives sit back and enjoy the film.

  • Jan. 6, 2003, 11 a.m. CST

    Harry...or BIZARRO Harry

    by Universal Noir

    You start by criticizing the score in NEMESIS, and tell us how that is foreshadowing regarding how horrible the film is...but say nothing (and even EMBRACE, for God's sake!!!) the shitty, vomitous score for The Two Towers... Why don't you (or anyone else, for that matter) go ahead and hum the theme from the latter? Go ahead... Waiting... No why you can't? BECAUSE IT IS UTTERLY FORGETTABLE. Now hum the orchestral theme from Empire Strikes Back. Now you know the difference, and now you know why I take Harry's reviews as a comedy break from my daily endeavours... Who are you man? Who are you really?

  • Jan. 9, 2003, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Trek 11???

    by Dasinfogod

    Well, there was a story posted up here on AICN about a proposed TREK 11, but the story got inexplicably pulled a day or two ago... I believe the URL on it was something like: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14133 But now that URL doesn't respond any more. Not sure what it said. Did anybody read the item???

  • Jan. 12, 2003, 3:05 a.m. CST

    TREK 11 Article

    by jermh

    Yeah, I know what your talking about. I read it...it was something about the next film invloving data and all the other series. Then they pulled it a day later. WTF? Explain please....

  • Jan. 13, 2003, 11:01 a.m. CST

    bring back Nicholas Mayer

    by tjs

    Nemesis has a feeling like been here done that, it plays very much like Star Trek II with a dab of VI chucked in for good measure. seems to me the best Trek films are the ones Nicholas Mayer had a hand in - II,(director) IV(Story) and VI(director & story)

  • Jan. 21, 2003, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Star trek nemises

    by 4266

    After just seeing the movie i decided to check out your review to see if you tought it was as shit as i did. Oh how relieved i was to read a well deserved pasteing, you are right star trek does deserve better than this pile of shit and as for the title it should have been called Star Trek Attack of the clone. ps I'm not slagging off episode 2

  • Jan. 31, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST

    What about Janeway?

    by Quannoi

    I must be confused about the timelines - how come Janeway was an Admiral - I though Voyager was set after next gen? Anyway, the film did suck. And don't get me started on the naff plastic drseeing gown. Keep up the good work Harry - this review was spot on.

  • Feb. 4, 2003, 3:52 a.m. CST

    ST Nemesis

    by rushfanllp

    Can nobody at Paramount keep track of the established mythology? Janeway returns to the Alpha quadrant using future Janeway technology and has 7of9. Yet once again poor flagship gets easily beat up. 1701E can defeat Borg! Add future Janeway shields and whatever else is crafted from debriefed 7of9 data... That's just the tech! How about emotionally developing Data? How about a strong Worf as opposed to a joke? How about clever character development? How about Berman being fired from anything Trek?

  • Feb. 5, 2003, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Star Treck Nemesis possibly the worst movie since 'Joe Versus th

    by theoldirtymick

    Thoughts? I thought it was humiliating. I'll even pull out "shit sandwich" for this one. truly terrible.

  • Feb. 8, 2003, 12:20 a.m. CST

    :P

    by Gerzean

    I TOTALLY AGREE!! Everyone who's tired of "Berman Trek", please raise their hand! He's out of touch, completely diluting the talent pool available for creativity and good, solid writing. Must he write every goddamn episode, story, storyboard, and screenplay? As soon as he lets someone else step up to the plate, maybe then us fans will have something to digest other than recycled dog piddle!!

  • Feb. 9, 2003, 3:39 a.m. CST

    the film has finally been released here 4 months after the US -

    by TheGinger Twit

    Nemesis, while the middle section takes a dull turn, the rest is pure Trek cinema viewing greatness. And digital Domain's work... WOW!

  • Feb. 14, 2003, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Was Good

    by quaff

    Hey even though it wasn't a 10 it was certainly above average and I enjoyed it immensely.

  • Feb. 14, 2003, 10:39 p.m. CST

    you r nuts

    by quaff

    Star Trek 5 was tied with #4 and #2 as the best Trek stuff of all time. Trek #1 was the worst one. Next Gen, I must admit, has the worst cast. But I must tell you Marvel is not good at casting and Marvel who I love and admire doesn't know which characters should be in their films. And that is a fact.

  • May 27, 2003, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Harry's Points are valid

    by JAGUART

    I just watched Nemesis and Harry's points are completely valid. I really like his idea of a massive boarding party after ramming the Scimitar and headed by Worf would have been bad-ass. That would have been the way to go. The movie didn't bore me and I felt the idea of a Picard clone compelling. The Starship battle at the end was gripping.

  • Sept. 8, 2003, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Why Not Hire A New Crew?

    by cookylamoo

    Here's what I don't get. Why don't they just say so long to the Next Generation and the rest of the aging supporting cast and just do a whole new star trek movie about a whole new ship? Go out and hire George Clooney, or Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt. Then hire some talented MOVIE character actors and just go to town. After all, it's the Star Trek TECHNOLOGY that makes it a trek movie. Nobody is going to these movies to see Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner act.