Herc Gives FIREFLY 1.11 Four Stars!!
Firefly 1.11 FAQ
What’s it called?
Teleplay is credited to Cheryl Cain (“Roswell”).
Isn’t this just the ninth episode to air? What’s this “1.11” business?
Fox is running these early episodes out of order.
Well, in what order has Fox been running them?
1.3 The Train Job 9/20 ****
1.4 Bushwhacked 9/27 ***
1.7 Our Mrs. Reynolds 10/4 ****
1.8 Jaynestown 10/18 ***
1.9 Out of Gas 10/25 ****
1.5 Shindig 11/1 ***1/2
1.6 Safe 11/8 ***1/2
1.10 Ariel 11/15 ****
1.11 War Stories 12/6 ****
1.? Objects in Space 12/13
1.1&2 Serenity 12/20 ****
Will the two-hour pilot airing on Dec. 20 be the last time we see “Firefly”?
Probably not. Fox has ordered 15 episodes so far. By Dec. 20, the netlet will only have aired 12.
Will it return to Friday nights after Dec. 20?
Word is Fox execs are seriously contemplating moving the show to Thursdays at 8 p.m.
Thursdays at 8?? Opposite “Friends” and “Survivor”?? Aaiiee!!
Maybe. But remember that the WB launched “Gilmore Girls” in the same time slot against the same shows. Remember also that “Friends” is not expected back next year.
Wait a minute. Isn’t that also the timeslot Fox dumped “The Tick” in last season?
Oh. That’s right …
Ngaa! Is there some sort of petition I can sign?
You might want to give this a gander. UPDATE: Yikes! When this story was posted to Coaxial News around 7:30 a.m. PT Friday, there were 38 signatures; now it's not quite 2 p.m. Friday and there are more than 600. ... 5:30 p.m. As Friday's "Firefly" airs in the East, the signature count has vaulted over 850. ... 7:05 p.m. "John Doe" just finished in the East; tally is over 1,000 in less than 12 hours. ... 10:05 p.m. "John Doe" just ended in the West, and the count is up to 1,250.
What does TV Guide say?
“A vengeful crime lord sets out to derail Wash and Mal's medical-supplies scam as payback for Mal's part in a botched train heist. But the bad guy may have met his match in another member of the Serenity crew, who refuses to see the captain go down without a fight.”
So I take it this is a sequel to the first episode to air? The one in which Mal kicked a mouthy henchman into the ship’s turbines?
We see this very scene in the “previously” clip package.
Which member of the Serenity crew refuses to see the captain go down without a fight? Is it Zoe?
It is Zoe.
What’s the medical supplies scam? Does it involve the costly pharmaceuticals the crew snatched in “Ariel”?
So it’s a sequel to “Ariel” too? Boy, that continuity we were promised is really starting to kick in, huh?
It’s quite a hefty “previoiusly” package this week.
At the end of “Ariel,” a better-informed Simon Tam injects his nutcase supergenius psychic sister and tells her, “It’s time to wake up.” Any evidence of River’s awakening?
So she’s sane now?
She still goes in and out of the crazy, but she can feel her lucid moments growing more lucid, which makes anticipating the crazy parts even harder for her. “I hate it because I know it'll go away,” she confides after fouling Simon’s bed.
Does the increased sanity make River less interesting?
No. This week River gets a whole lot more interesting. Behold this little chunk of Simon’s foreshadowing dialogue: “The more I see the more I think their purpose was very specific. Look at this - the pattern.” (Next week’s episode, the last before the long-anticipated airing of the two-hour pilot and series hiatus, looks to be the most River-centric yet.)
Any changes on the Jayne Cobb front following Mal’s last conversation with him in “Ariel”?
Yes. Amusing ones.
The big news?
Pay attention to Book’s opening comments about Shan Yu and this business about the volcano’s edge and “you will finally meet the man.” River’s not the only character we learn some way interesting stuff about. Revelations, some far more surprising than others, await with regard to a shocking number of of the regulars this week.
The bigger news?
There’s yet another giant homage to Quentin Tarantino this week.
The biggest news?
One of the regulars dies this week.
What else is TV Guide not telling us?
This one centers around Wash and Zoe, and serves to clarify Zoe’s feelings with regard to the two main men in her life - but only after Wash’s resentment begins to boil over. He says things like, “What this marriage needs is one less husband!” and “Tai-kong suo-yo duh shing-chiou doh sai-jin wuh dhu pee-goo!”
Do we see the blue hand group?
Only in the clip package.
Does Kaylee kiss any doctors this week?
No. But she spends a lot of quality time with a doctor’s sister.
Does River kiss any preachers?
Not that one remembers.
Does Inara kiss any captains?
Inara lays some serious smoochage, but not on Mal. Her client this week actually makes the trip to Serenity, and raises a few eyebrows. “The councilor is an important political figure and a very private person,” confides Inara. “I think he's going to bring her flowers,” Kaylee confides excitedly.
Am I crazy, or do I keep seeing Morena Baccarin in some deodorant commercial?
You’re not imagining it. Remember the shot at the end when she pours sand out of her pump? A familiar eye-roll is reprised tonight after Inara bids her client adieu.
Does Zoe kiss any pilots?
“No power in the 'verse can stop me.” The pacing. Gangster Niska’s sadistic giddiness. All the stuff with River and Inara. Jayne generally, and the line “I’ll be in my bunk” in particular. The sounds Mal and Wash make when the juice is on. Book’s hidden talent. Too many other things to list here.
What’s not so great?
This is the wrong series to be sticking on the shelf.
Is “Firefly” the year’s best new show?
Without question, “Firefly” is the year’s best new show.
What about “Boomtown”?
“Boomtown” is the second-best new show. Herc watches it every Sunday after “The Sopranos,” but it’s no “Firefly.”
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
“Oh, hey. Free soup.”
Herc’s rating for “Firefly” 1.11?
The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:
8 p.m. Friday. Fox.
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Dec. 6, 2002, 10:32 a.m. CST
One of the regulars dies? As in DEAD dies, or as in dies-and-then-comes-back-to-life-like-Buffy dies? I LOVE this show.
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:32 a.m. CST
It would be great if Fox executives were dismembered by sharks with laser beams on their heads. I really like this show but I'm sometimes distracted by the goofy anachronisms with the western technology. The worst thing so far was those damn backwards hillbillies that thought our little crazy girl was a witch. I didn't buy that shit on the Dead Zone, and I don't buy it here. These are people who traveled through space, see giant ass spaceships, etc. How do you become a banjo playin', sister humpin' space hillbilly???
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:39 a.m. CST
I think that most of the western aspects work extremely well. Instead of space being populated by a ridiculous amount of aliens with similar technologies and spaceships being equipped with ridiculous abilities like manufacturing food out of thin air, I think it's a lot more likely that a mass exodus from this solar system would result in a lot of people without rocket-science knowledge being forced to build lives from scratch. Think about it: everyone fled after the Earth was used up. Everyone. Poor people in Bangladesh had to flee. Canadians. Scientists and pilots and military personnel, yes, but also plumbers and teachers and preachers who would have no knowledge of how to put modern technology onto an entirely new planet. Which in my mind makes Firefly the most plausible example I've seen in sci-fi of how the settlement of other planets might actually look---although I have to agree that the hillbilly episode was kind of lame.
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:51 a.m. CST
I'm glad she gets a chance to be the badass that she is. I've loved Zoe's scenes with Wash, but really she's not had that much to do so far this season.
Dec. 6, 2002, 11:13 a.m. CST
I enjoy most of the "western" aspects of Firefly. Godric, I think you're right that newly settled, far flung planets would tend towards more utilitarian tools and methods than whiz bang technology. If Fox does retool this show, I hope they keep a lot of that as the general idea, but cut back on some of the really out of place western props, locales, stereotypes, etc. I've seen reports or posts about them going more "Road Warrior" and I think that is wrong. A "Road Warrior" atmosphere is about a civilization declining or destroyed, while the western idea is about a civilazation becoming. I enjoyed the recent episode when they were stealing the medicine and the inner core planet they were on was as advanced as you would expect for a space-faring civilization. I dig the fact that the characters use revolvers and shotguns!
Dec. 6, 2002, 11:25 a.m. CST
Does anyone here know anywhere to download old Firefly eps? I missed the last two and I need to see them, especially if tonight's continues from them.
Dec. 6, 2002, 11:37 a.m. CST
Zoe or Wash are gonna bite it! I knew it was only a matter of time . . . :D I'm staying out of this talkback until after I see the ep, which sadly won't be until 7am Saturday morning. :( L8r
Dec. 6, 2002, 11:43 a.m. CST
Fireflys back! yay!
Dec. 6, 2002, 11:53 a.m. CST
FOX Broadcasting in full of idiots (don't even get me started on Futurama) but it's Home Entertainment division is much cooler. In a recent chat on Home Theater Forum, Peter Staddon of the cool group gave a rundown of the various DVD sets to look forward to in 2003. When Firefly came up, he said "no plans" but really seemed to like the show. "I think Firefly would be a really cool DVD, but there are no plans for it yet. I would love to release it on a short window, but I don't control that decision." (He also announced a first half of 2003 Futurama Season One set - so there is a God). Maybe if FOX would fire the Broadcasting group and moved those responsibilities over to the Home Entertainment group, FOX would be first up on my "Favorite Channels" button.
Dec. 6, 2002, 11:55 a.m. CST
Whats with the canadian reference, you just pop it in after Bangladesh or something eh? WTF eh. You think Canadians can't fly space ships eh? Canadians don't know rocket science eh? Or that Canadians are among the poor eh?
Dec. 6, 2002, 12:01 p.m. CST
Maybe this could be something other than whatever random snatch of wording happens to be the last line of dialogue? Or if you don't want to drop real spoilers, just skip it. Or better yet, save yourself a lot of work and just cut and paste the words "Next week on Firefly!" which are usually the real last lines in the show.
Dec. 6, 2002, 12:24 p.m. CST
From reading the previous posts I got a flash that it will be Zoe. Wash is the pilot, so they need him too much, and if it's Zoe who surprises the bad guys with her defense of Malcolm, then it's likely she'll have to make the ultimate sacrifice for her odd little dysfunctional family. DAMN IT, to do that so early in the first season smacks of a desperation move, or else Gina Torres really wanted out. Why, I have no idea, since this is a much better gig than that abysmal Cleopatra 2525.
Dec. 6, 2002, 12:37 p.m. CST
Herc, my man, so right!
Dec. 6, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST
When ya have a question, "How does it end, Spoiler-boy?" and answer it in inviso-text, howsabout actually including a spoiler instead of a nonsensical quote! Do not Spoiler-Tease please, some of us are emotionally fragile!
Dec. 6, 2002, 1:12 p.m. CST
The rumor on another talkback is that he died from a heroin OD. I like the show Firefly and watch it each week but the "western" part of the show is just damn stupid. People flying in spaceships and other technological things at the same time as people on some planets living like in the old west? The inbred hillbilly episode in particular was lame. I do like the storyline of the blue hand group and the characters are interesting. Especially River and the preacher and the mystery surrounding their characters. But Joss needs to move away from the rootin tootin western stuff.
Dec. 6, 2002, 1:39 p.m. CST
In this age of cell phones and space shuttles we have inbred hillbillies living in the United States, so I don't see why it's implausible that colonists might end up on some crappy backwater planet and create their own colonies of inbred hillbillies. In fact I'm sure some of our more insular communities would love the opportunity to flee from evil mainstream society and populate another planet with their low-tech, relative-loving ways. Anyway it seems more realistic than the ST universe where no one uses money and everything you need comes out of a replicator.
Dec. 6, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST
Dang it, I have work to do. Don't distract me. Anyways, I have nothing against Canadians, AND I stand by my opinion that the western stuff works, but it is a little odd that some of the old style of dress is maintained, but not THAT odd. A historical comparison: during the 1800s in the South, there was a movement among plantations all around to hold big festivals and tournaments where people would act and dress medieval--knights and all that. It actually became the style for a short period. I can see the bored rich on a new planet turning some make-believe into their new style. Also, bell bottoms came back so it's only a matter of time, really...On a final note, I like the use of a combination of old language and new language--love the random Chinese bits and the new slang words/phrases the show is inventing (i.e. "Shiny!" "Not so much.") It all works.
Dec. 6, 2002, 2:04 p.m. CST
You know there were witch-killin's in the U.S. more recently than the Salem stuff, however it happened in the Southwestern U.S. between American Indians so no one seems to care much (but from the sounds of it, there were a lot more killin's going on in the pueblos than in Salem). These days they still believe in witches in the rural South (someone there once told me you can defeat a witch's spell by peeing in a silver whistle), in Asian Indian American subculture (judging by the number of ads talking about black magic on the Indian programming I've seen), in parts of Africa. Why not hillbillies living on another planet, believing in witches and killing the occasional poor accused victim?
Dec. 6, 2002, 3:10 p.m. CST
No wait, don't why encourge his behavior. Well I guess my plea to ban the retard has fallen on deaf ears. Could it be that its really Herc himself? The deity is actually a mentally handicapped, social reatard? Say it ain't so?!?!?!?
Dec. 6, 2002, 3:18 p.m. CST
"You think Canadians can't fly space ships eh? Canadians don't know rocket science eh? Or that Canadians are among the poor eh?" Ahhhhhh............Yes. Yes. Yes. And mentioning Canada with Bangladesh, is an insult to Bangladesh. Hey, I heard Canada is contributing a divison of infantry, a squadron of planes, and a fleet of ships to the Iraq war. After the exchange rate this comes out to a drunken naked mounty(poorly endowed), 2 sodomized one winged ducks and a row boat with 4 holes and a broken paddle. (sooooo sooorrrryyyyyy)
Dec. 6, 2002, 7:49 p.m. CST
One star or four,who gives a fuck,if you like it,watch it,if not,go away.
Dec. 6, 2002, 8:17 p.m. CST
by el oso
So funny..."One of you is going to fall and die and I'm not going to clean it up!" *** "I'll be in my bunker..."
Dec. 6, 2002, 8:59 p.m. CST
I didnt see anyone die. What show was i watching?
Dec. 6, 2002, 9:03 p.m. CST
by el oso
Mal died, remember? In only for a few minutes before Niska brought him back to life.
Dec. 6, 2002, 9:12 p.m. CST
Yeah thats right thanks.
Dec. 6, 2002, 9:14 p.m. CST
I've never seen "Firefly" before, so I don't know the characters' names. But what happened to that KGB Agent on "Alias"? The actress plays on "Firefly" and I want to know what happened. She was a great adversary to Sydney Bristow... much better than any villains on the show now. They need to bring her back!
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:14 p.m. CST
by steve the k
I can't believe no one's mentioned: Zoe: Wait, the captain needs to do this himself. (Weak off camera Monty Python voice) No I don't. (beat) Zoe: Oh. (beat) BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM I was laughing out loud till commercial.
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:33 p.m. CST
It was my favorite part of the episode. I also loved very much Mal's "You want to meet the real me now?" I should make a list ...
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:44 p.m. CST
Ni! And how 'bout that River Tam, huh? "Can't look. Can't look." What a great fuckin' show!!!
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:50 p.m. CST
I think the networks just do it for the previews and for those people who read spoilers. I can just see studio execs sitting around saying this week lets kill this ctr and bring him back and later we will kill this one AND NO ONE EVER DIES FOR REAL.
Dec. 6, 2002, 10:57 p.m. CST
A great example of low tech colony worlds can be found in Peter Hamilton's "The Reality Dysfunction", were arcology dwellers are dumped by the thousands onto primitive worlds to work the land. The idea being to gradually move from an agrarian society to a real civilization (and pay off the massive investments that went into the colony). The writers would do well to read this series, if they haven't already. One of the main characters also owns a cargo starship for hire, and... Damnit, theres that Victoria's Secret comercial again. I swear Adriana Lima is the most beautiful woman who ever existed! JEOMK
Dec. 6, 2002, 11:04 p.m. CST
by el oso
China and the USA are supposed to be the last superpowers of the Earth right? If so, where are all the Chinese people on Firefly?
Dec. 7, 2002, 12:28 a.m. CST
by The Killer-Goat
and now that my male chauvanism is out of the way... Favorite bits were Mal's torture (a great, stark contrast) and the ship docking violently without sound. Then the "gotta rescue the cap'n" drama kicked in, just managed not to wallow in the high-gear "cheese" factor towards the end. Somebody in the past Firefly TB's once mentioned that Whedon's talent wasn't in coming up with anything original, it was in taking formula and adding some intuitive dialogue or scene twists to make it just different enough. I see that holds with Firefly just as much, because the cast is what's keeping the stories from being so easily formulized. And again, as someone else restated, this is not an original idea for a series, by a longshot. (Does Herc's mention of tributes to other movies and directors include the 20th century weapons that make laser noises, as in the Star Wars trilogy?) It was refreshing to see another episode like "Ariel" that wasn't dead-set on "Little House on the Prairie" again. I can deal with barns and shacks and old-style taverns, but the entire atmosphere of "old west" saturates everything to the extent of time travel. The other conundrum that could be clarified is this extensive colonization of (as someone put it) "hillbillies in outer space". If you're going to have a show based entirely on the science and drama of humans in outer space, you need some foundation of contemporary application to support their directives and settings, and some of this series' logic isn't holding consistent up to it's own standards. And yes, "consistency" is a nice thing to tout, but the Whedon-worship is getting a little thick lately.
Dec. 7, 2002, 2:28 a.m. CST
so much for "The Family Hour", eh? Kicakss. I dug this episode alot - probably my 3rd favorite so far next to "our mrs. reynolds", "out of gas" (some of the best dramatic TV this season), and "Janyestown" (I just dig that charater). I missed "Ariel, though, but if it gets recomendations, I thinks I should download it.
Dec. 7, 2002, 5:24 a.m. CST
They said in show that the core planets are made up of the rich folks what has all the pretty shiny ships and such. The outer planets was terraformed and all them other folks got themselves dumped there to make a life as best they could. Since the crew is from there and the show is set there, that is why it is like that. End of story. Stop talking about it. Best damn show on the box right now.
Dec. 7, 2002, 6:25 a.m. CST
Firefly just gets better and better! I'l probably cry when they take it away! bastards!
Dec. 7, 2002, 12:50 p.m. CST
The second time Jayne says he'll be in his bunk Zoe immediately chimes in with "Jayne, grab your weapon"
Dec. 7, 2002, 1:16 p.m. CST
So there. I'm enjoying this show so much now. To hell with EVER seeing the original pilot. I now am convinced I don't need to. At this point, it'll be just icing on the cake. And what a fine cake. Tasty in all the right places. Not too sweet, and not at all dry. But full and fluffy, with volume and rich in characterization. As for Zoe? First there was Scully and then Zena. But Zoe? A functionally strong woman with mental toughness to boot. Fully realized by Gina Torres. At first I thought it was just another "gimmick". You know, "hey, instead of a man as the second in command, we'll get a woman." And then they'd choose some actress who's SO willowy, she'd definitely break if a bad guy just looks her way. Oh, but they got Torres. From one strong woman to another: YOU GO GIRL. The interplay between her and her husband, Wash. WELL done. NOTE to Fox: You shelve this show? Idiots.
Dec. 7, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST
So I was right...it wasn't DEAD dead it was typical dead-for-just-a-second-like-Prophecy-Girl-dead. Oh well. It was an okay episode; I liked the last one better. Next week's looked kind of dumb if you ask me. But I still think it's a great show.
Dec. 7, 2002, 2:32 p.m. CST
by Mistah Kurtz
...as shown in Kaylee's uneasy reaction to River at the end of the episode. Hey, don't get me wrong: some of my best friends are ruthless killing machines. But, on the whole, they are a hideous scourge and blight upon this great country of ours. It's great to see "Firefly" offer a little support to this inexplicably rare point-of-view.
Dec. 7, 2002, 5:18 p.m. CST
Great Episode - then they all are - Fridays just can't get here fast enough - and to think when I heard ANOTHER Joss Whedon show was going to start I didn't even want to start watching it - now I'm counting the days til the next epi! God I loved tha - "no, no I don't" Mal is the best character - "I'm angry and I'm armed" His tone and pace are excellent!
Dec. 7, 2002, 5:28 p.m. CST
I have never watched firefly before, but I think I will now. It was pretty cool, but I have several questions. what's with that girl who seeme to have some kind of psychic ability? Is that zoe chick from Hercules and Xena? She looks like this pirate chick that used to help them all the time. And is this show being cancelled? Everyone keeps saying shelfed and I don't know what that means.
Dec. 7, 2002, 5:44 p.m. CST
I mean thats just plain wrong.
Dec. 7, 2002, 8:34 p.m. CST
Dec. 7, 2002, 11:36 p.m. CST
by yeah i'm a jerk!
sorry i missed the tick last year, but if firefly is on thursdays i'll watch it. i'm always looking for something to watch on thursdays. i hate, absolutely despise friends. as for the other shows, does anybody watch those other networks. i don't think my tv gets cbs, or abc anymore. and why should they?
Dec. 8, 2002, 6 p.m. CST
I like how the crew slips into Chinese when they're cursing, but where are all the Chinese people? I can't recall seeing even one, though I'm sure there probably has been. All the same, shouldn't there be more of a Chinese presence? Small point on an otherwise fantastic show.
Dec. 8, 2002, 6 p.m. CST
They're probably on the less-rustic worlds. Though, we should have seen some Chinese folk in 'Ariel', if they're more ethnically represented on the rich, shiny inner planets.
Dec. 8, 2002, 10:53 p.m. CST
by Qwerty Uiop
I don't know why there haven
Dec. 8, 2002, 10:54 p.m. CST
by Qwerty Uiop
When will this Talkback order problem be fixed?
Dec. 9, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST
The Western theme was chosen to show off the actors' butts. As evidenced in Wild Wild West (the TV show not the movie), tight western pants really flatter the derriere. Robert Conrad's outfts left nothing to the imagination. Hell even Richard Kiel's tush looked good in those pants. So now we've got Mal and Zoe running around in these form-fitting pants to delight viewers of all persuasions. Viva la Western wear I say. + oh and great episode, my fav so far. "I'll be in my bunk."
Dec. 10, 2002, 10:58 p.m. CST
Fuck last posters! Fuck me in my space-cowboy chaps with a pulse cannon!
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