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Hey folks, Harry here... Here's a review of GANGS OF NEW YORK which seems to say its one of the best films of the year, but at the same time saying its not quite a great Scorsese film, at least not on the same par with his early work... whatever the hell that means, I mean what about GOODFELLAS and CASINO... those films not on par with his early work? Since when? ARGH! Anyway, here's a review of the flick we're all dying to finally see...
Hi Harry,
Hope you post this, everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.
GANGS OF NEW YORK
Considering the troubled production history and being one of the years'
most-anticipated films, I quite frankly had no idea what to expect of 'Gangs
of New York'. I'd heard of the fighting between Scorcese and Weinstein over
the running time, and after seeing the film, I think a longer version (what
Scorcese wanted?) would have benefitted.
It is 1846 and the gangs of New York are ready to fight for the Five Points,
the poorest and most violent part of the city. Priest Vallon (Liam Neeson)
leads the 'foreign hordes' (Irish immigrants) against Bill the Butcher's
(Daniel Day-Lewis) Anglo-Saxon natives. After a bloody battle, the natives
have taken the upper hand. Fifteen years later, the son of Priest Vallon,
Amsterdam (Leonardo Di-Caprio) vowes revenge on Bill the Butcher. As
Amsterdam learns how to survive on the streets he encounters the beautiful
Jenny (Cameron Diaz), a girl of the streets, surviving through prositution
and stealing, at which she is without equal. She also holds a dark secret.
The battle for the streets between the warring gangs reaches a bloody climax
during the 1863 Civil war Draft Riots.
First and foremost, the script is fantastic. The rawness of the language and
the original expression of feelings and emotions expressed thousands of
times before on screen is delightful. Screenwriter Jay Cocks has written
some memorable scenes which should garner him plenty of plaudits. And the
story is perfectly realised, the simple revenge story at heart surrounded by
political upheaval of the time and eventually even mirroring the attack of
9/11 on New York.
Scorcese can certainly still direct, evident in some grusomely staged fight
scenes, and the abscence of one bad performance from a large cast. The 70mm
projection is a joy to behold, every shot perfectly composed, aided by
Michael Ballhaus' cinematography
Mention must also go to Stunt Co-Ordinator Vic Armstrong, turning up the
testosterone to a level I haven't experienced in the cinema for a long time.
Faults with the film are minor. Pieces of music felt out of place, scenes
felt truncated, the pace of the editing didn't always seem right (strange,
seeing as long-time Scorcese collaborator Thelma Schoonmaker is credited -
has someone else been in the editing room after dark?), and DiCaprio's
accent veers into 'Oirish' after long periods of sounding American, then
quickly reverts back.
Daniel Day-Lewis' full-blooded creation of Bill the Butcher is awesome,
definitely one of cinemas most frightening villians. You genuinely never
know what he will do next, to which Leonardo DiCaprio's Amsterdam character
finds to his cost time and time again. There is one brilliantly tense scene
where Bill the Butcher is playing with the life of a main character, the
audience's anticipation of a horrible fate building fast, when suddenly the
threat is transferred to another with brutal consequences. NO-ONE is safe
when Bill the Butcher is around, he is truly unpredictable and VERY
dangerous. I sincerely hope Day-Lewis' doesn't go back into retirement after
this performance, it would be a massive loss to cinema.
Leonardo DiCaprio's performance (bar the accent) is very good. Intense,
conflicted and brave, it's the sort of acting that should erase memories of
the 'boat film'.
Cameron Diaz holds her own very well against Day-Lewis and DiCaprio,
although her part in proceedings does seem to tail off slightly at the end.
She also looks beautiful (sporting the biggest ginger hair since Harry
Knowles) and I swear, when she smiles, you cannot help but fall under her
spell.
The supporting cast is filled with some of modern cinemas' great performers,
including David Hemmings, Jim Broadbent, and of course, the massive
prescence of Liam Neeson. John C. Reilly and hE.nry T.homas also play
important parts.
I could go on, because there are many highpoints in the film, but while I don't
think the film is strong enough to be compared with Scorcese's great films
like Mean Streets, Raging Bull and Taxi Driver, but they were over twenty to
thirty years ago when he was a hungrier director. This is as good a Scorcese
film as we're going to get these days, and I don't think anybody should
complain about that. It will definitely figure in many of the years' top ten
lists.
I am 'The Hands That Built America'
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I really hope that this film lives up to the hype... the infighting and delays on this movie, well I hope its worth it.
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I saw that "nudity/sexuality" is one of the reasons this movie got rated R. Does this mean some Diaz nudity/sexuality, or is it just some random ho' from the streets? But anyway, this movie looks to delight on a magical scale. I wanna see this and Catch Me If You Can more than any other film this Christmas (yes... including TTT!) and I am sure they will not disappoint. Bosch!
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I've been looking forward to this one as much as the Two Towers - which has always felt kinda inevitable, whereas this has been something like 25 years in the making - I remember reading about it 10 years ago. Scorcese and Day-Lewis (A fucking real actor - better than Pacino. Frankly, by far.) Gotta see, gotta see, gotta see......
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all your memories at once, and your fears too.
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I don't get a good feeling about it, I'm not in the least bit excited, but hopefully I am wrong. And I really think there's too much wattage. I wish he'd gone with nobodies.
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Day Lewis is the man! I wish he would not be such a hermit and venture out into the acting world more often. I really think he is one of our finest actors!I can't wait to see this thing.
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Someone tell me where I can download the Hip Hop soundtrack to this movie!!! What's that? Up my ass? OK.
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Stuart Townshend was cast as Aragorn early on. Luckily he was let go for creative differences which allowed him to, and I thank God every day, play Lestat in one of the finest movies I've seen in recent years "Queen of the Damned".
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Daniel Day Lewis has that best actor oscar for this. Bill the Butcher is going to become the character of the year. Could Gangs be the best picture?
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December is turning into the month for movies.
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casino had three or four great scenes but on the whole was tedious and rates lowly in scorses's canon, cape fear is better. goodfellas on the other hand is THE best film of the last 20 years.
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But especially between Goodfellas and Casino. Casino is simply not a good movie. What a let down. That movie marks the beginning of DeNiro's new-found talent: Sleep-walking through his performances.
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To match the perfect cinematography. 1:85:1 wont cut it.
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So I'll have to wait until a few friends see it first, but that is the only thing that will cause me to wait to see this film.
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i can't wait for this movie! i doubt it is on par w/ goodfellas, raging bull, or taxi driver but who could pass up scorsese trying his hand at a historical epic? but honestly, harry, casino was just a poor man's goodfellas. oh and give bringing out the dead another try if you haven't seen it since its original release. it isn't great but it improves w/ a second viewing.
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Dec 05, 2002 1:31:14 PM CST
The porn version of this film, "Gang-Bangs of New York", is pure
by neofromthematrix
The Cameron Diaz lookalike (Anita Cock) is sublime, especially in the rim-job scene, but why did they get a sixteen year-old girl to play the role of DiCaprio? And doesn't "DiCaprio" mean "of the goat"? - There is no spoon.
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Now it doesn't have to be the best film of the year to do it. A Beautiful Mind wasn't even close. It just needs to be good enough that Academy voters can feel justified giving Marty the pity award (for Best Picture and/or Best Director). He's got to win EVENTUALLY, right? We all know it's next to impossible for The Two Towers to win BP; if Fellowship couldn't, I doubt they will award a sequel. Catch Me If You Can is a sure threat (and if Spielberg beats out Mr. Scorsese L.A. will burn again), but could it be too lighthearted to win? Far From Heaven is too indie to win, not enough people will see it. That leaves Chicago, and I don't think it will do nearly as well as Moulin Rouge. Road to Perdition is from too early in the year, and I don't know if it will have the same weight as GONY. By the way, Daniel Day-Lewis is more likely to get a Supporting nod and win than the lead, even though DiCaprio will probably get nommed for Catch Me and not GONY.
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The film is amazing. A true accomplishment of film making as an art form. What was left out of this review was any notice of production design, cotumes and makeup. All are exceptional. This is an epic film told in an intimate way and so far it's the best movie I've seen this year. But I'm seeing Two Towers tonight, so I may have to ammend that. See Gangs as soon as you can.
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Thanks! I knew I could count on you all to know the pre-Viggo Aragorn. It was driving me nuts watching all of those interviews that kept on saying, "the actor we had cast was too young, and so we had to send an emergency team of massage therapists over to Viggo's house to persuade him to learn how to sword fight" . . . or something! I think we caught a huge break when that happened. Cause I think the "white city" would have fallen if left up to
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What the fuck is with this stupid rule...you may not like him but he is a good actor who has been in some great films...His performance in Whats eating gilbert grape should have won him an oscar..This boys life was an amazing movie..The basketball diaries, although not a great film is worth the price of admission...Romeo and Juliet was GREAT...Titanic is one of the best movies of all time...and the Beach was fun intreging if not a great movie! Now I will admit that leo has made a few Quick and the Deads...but overall he is in some great films...so stop trying to be "HIP" in saying leo sucks and start judging him on his WORK!!
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From what I am hearing the movie is almost 2 1/2 hours long. Does that mean that it will get limited theatre release? And then you have TTT and Catch Me and you still have Harry 2 in the theatre so now you have too many movies for the holiday season and if one has to go guess which one it will be. I would have put it out last week and cleaned house but now we get to miss the rebirth of Scorcese. So it will be known as his bif flopper movie.
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I don't think there's any way that the movie could possibly bomb, it'll make a trillion dollars. I think it's going to be highly disappointing.
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I, too, get a bad vibe from GONY. It does have the cheese factor of Pearl Harbor. But I really disagree that it will flop. People have been dying to see this movie for so long, the hype is so strong. I really think people will go see it and hate it. And actually, Movieteacher's number 2 pick is Banger Sisters. Divine Secret of the Ya Ya Sisterhood came in a distant third.
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Ya Ya is 4 and Banger sisters is 7....kidding of coarse..and yes i dont care if TITANIC is a "chick" flick...its a great movie
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GONY is 2:38 without end credits, 2:46 with end credits. The latest Miramax "For Your Consideration" ad in Variety touts Day-Lewis as Best Actor, not supporting.
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I'm at the point after reading the reviews & posts on this site for so many years that the second I start reading something ridiculously nit picky or too comparative to other things than just purely reviewing something on it's mere entertainment value... it's not worth to waste time reading. Not to mention when it gets too detailed and preachy, it feels like it's a plant.
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makes Chimmy's little red winky show...
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I'm going to have to side with Movie Teacher's opinion here on Leonardo. Yes I think he should have never agreed to Titanic because he did look like a little kid working on a woman too old for him, but does that make him a bad actor? The Beach was a fun movie that I think had some really good scenes for Leo, particularly the one where he steals some guys Bandana. Then there's Romeo & Juliet that was marketed to people in their teens and then it became the MTV movie of the week. But apart from that Leo's performance was excellant. "A plague on both your houses!!" What's eating Gilbert Grape, is one most people easily agree on because he portrayed a mentally challenged person - as if that's the ultimate medium to proving your acting worth. Still a good performance nontheless. Overall I think he picks really good rolls(with the exception of Titanic) and I also have to give him credit for fighting his way out of a typecast. Or maybe the public kicked him out of the typecast because it became the sheik thing to do to make fun of him for other people's mistakes on Titanic. But then again isn't that still the going trend. I challenge anybody to actually sit throught Leo's movies they think they hate and actually judge him on his acting talent. Oh, and be sure to do it when no ones watching...wouldn't want anybody to see you falter in your trendy DiCaprio bashing. Btw Gangs looks awesome, and TTT will smoke everything.
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Didn't men in the mid 1800's wear top hats? For instance, Abe Linclon?
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Kundun and Age of Innocence are two of Marty's very best. And Michelle Pfeiffers as is far more worthy than Winona Ryder's. On the other hand, I watched THE most incredible movie last night! Yes, "The Sweetest Thing" is probably the finest American film since "Bring it On"! Diaz has a fuckalicious ass.
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Sorry 'bout the typo.
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If it turns out to be another "Age of Innocence" Scorsese at his worst is still worth seeing at least. I'd say GONY is a shoo-in for BP and BD even if the film doesn't turn out to be great just because the Academy seems to be in the mood to make up for past snubbs.
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This is off topic, but I felt I should mention that when you sign off, you really should write Chicken George the 6th, not George the 6th chicken. Just a thought.
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Dec 05, 2002 10:21:51 PM CST
"Cameron Diaz holds her own very well against Day-Lewis and DiCa
by three quarks
Huh. Uh huh huh. Huh huh huh. Huh huh.
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This film and The Two Towers, like Fellowhip Of The Ring, will prove once again that excellence in cinema and making a profit are NOT mutually exclusive. As a moviegoer who has to decide where to spend her hard-earned money I like to see the studios crank out a good, solid piece of epic movie-making once in awhile. Scorsese can always be counted on for an A-list ride at the theaters. And. . .Leo is in it!! *SWOON*. Toppu o Nerae!
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I've said it before. I'll probably say it again. Glass is an asshole. Goodnight!
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DiCaprio's character is sitting at a round table discussion with the whiskey bottle being passed, while Daniel Day-Lewis' Bill the Butcher cracks jokes. After a rather hilarious punchline, DiCaprio's character mutters: "You know what Bill...you're a funny guy." Bill the Butcher: "Funny how...?"
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If someone gave me some valid reasons why they didn't enjoy Age of Innocence or Kundun, I'd listen. But "slow" and "boring" could also be used to describe 99% of foreign films from any era--if you're an uneducated moron. While there ARE foreign films or period pieces that are genuinely too slow or too boring, Age of Innocence is brimming over with restrained passion--the whole point of the comment made on the times by Wharton (and restated perfectly by Scorsese, Day-Lewis, and Pfeiffer). Kundun was meant to be a bit of a mood piece/tone poem, whatever. I suppose you think Little Buddah was better because it had Neo and Bridget Fonda in it? There isn't any other filmmaker alive that I think could have made such a thing of beauty as Kundun. It's not something I think I'll see many times in my life, but some of those images will haunt me forever. As for the Oscar/box office stuff: Is it me or is there not ENOUGH promo/hype for Gangs right now? I'm seeing ads for Catch Me If You Can and Two Towers up the wazoo, and the last GONY trailer was months ago. Shouldn't they be turning the PR machine into overdrive at this point? Yeah, it is a long (but not too long--still shorter than Harry Potter 2) historical epic, but it's about street fighting, and there's no denying the potential draw of DiCaprio AND Diaz (even though she couldn't carry her own film with Sweetest Thing), but let's see a "romance" trailer. Let's see billboards and ads on the sides of buses. I'm in L.A., and I ain't seein' nothin! PLEASE Miramax, don't dump GONY in favor of Chicago...there's too much money riding on it, and Scorsese is due for some serious bootlicking by now.
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Sure, but these saucy old chaps were shooting, hacking, gouging, mutilating, burning and lynching one another. This is NOT Merchant-Ivory, buddy. ps I'd love to see Scorsese make a balls-to-the-wall pirate movie. I'd dig seeing those fruity romantic stereotypes blasted away for good. Screw Pirates of the Caribbean. Rum, sodomy and the lash is where it's at.
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What's wrong with having a rule against certain actors? You may like and respect DiCaprio's work but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to. As far as I can see he's a younger George Clooney - pulls in the women with looks. Most of the waiters at the Houston's restaurants here in LA can probably act just as well. A second strike for this movie is that it's a 'period piece'. 'Titanic' best ever? Highly unlikely. It was a romance novel, wrapped around a historical event, and brought to the screen. Like 'Big Fat Greek Wedding' it catered to overweight single women's fantasies. Made a few people a lot of money.
I'm more worried about Leo screwing up 'Catch Me If You Can'. I loved the book. Don't want to give anything away - anyone who read the book will know - but Leo's appearance makes him a total miscast as Frank Abagnale. But I will break my rule because I'm hoping $pielberg will pull it off. -
Is this supposed to be a period drama or an allegorical piece? Who can tell?
America wasn't born on the streets. It was concieved on the battlegrounds of the revolutionary war, born through the labors of the civil war and reconstruction and if we're not paying attention murdered at the hands of right wing zealots. -
GONY book by Herbert Asbury (first published in the 20's) is an incredible and riveting retrospect of the conflict in New York City. Written like a chronicler/detective's diary with the sort of you-are-there feel like the movie Bloody Sunday which I finally saw Wednesday night and it's great - I should buy a book or two on the tragic day in late 20th century Irish history. Civil War-era Draft Riots remains the largest and deadliest mayhem in U.S. history. I've been eagerly anticipating this film for, what, one and a half year? Bob Weinstein's editing antics is to be expected - hopefully Scorsese will release a longer and definitive director's cut (edited solely by Thelma Schoonmaker) on DVD without studio fucking around typical of Hollywood powers-that-be. My favorite Scorsese movies are a masterpiece of psychological drama Taxi Driver and the criminally underrated satire The King of Comedy. GONY will end up winning Oscars in tough competition next March where Marty finally gets his due. Go Martin!
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I'm so sick of never been laid fan boys bitching about Leonardo DiCaprio. The fact is he is a good actor and Titanic, dare i say it, was a good movie. It doesn't make you cool to get swept away in the backlash. Get over it.
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You little wimp. Insult someone and run, just like the average twat taddler. You did make me laugh, though. Your comment is perhaps the truest one I've seen on this site to date.
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I can't tell you how much I agree with you. King of Comedy is absolutely Scorsese's best film. And it is CRIMINALLY underrated. The movie is hysterical, sad, and it is some of DeNiro's best work as well. Jerry Lewis really proves his acting chops, and Sandra Bernhardt is frightening as ever as Masha. Shit, I love that movie. Taxi Driver and Hello Mom come next, and then Goodfellas, for me. Last Temptation, of course, and then Age of Innocence. I simply cannot believe that King of Comedy is mainly known for it's relatively obscure run on channel 11 in the 80's.
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Dec 06, 2002 11:01:21 AM CST
Isn't it a shame to go to this much trouble on a movie...and the
by minderbinder
And Casino was a great movie, not his best, but still solid. Give it another chance.
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Don't get me wrong, I respect your courage in defending DiCaprio on a site where most people hate him, but the 'boat flick' is merely good - in parts, very good - but most definitely not great. Like some guy wrote in Total Film once, it didn't win the Best Picture award so much as buy it. It's huge success, in my opinion, comes down to the fact that it appealed to so many audiences at the same time; action/fx for the young men, romance/Leo for the teenage girls, infamous historical event for people who grew up fascinated by the story, and no sci-fi so it didn't put off filmgoers with a lack of imagination. (don't get me wrong, I love sci-fi, but I know some people who hate the genre simply because it "isn't real"). Just because it outgrossed previous record-holders like Jurassic Park, ET and Star Wars doesn't necessarily make it a better film, just one that appealed to more people. It also got unbelieveable amounts of free publicity for being 'the most expensive film ever made', and having a hit song on the soundtrack. Like I said, I still think it's pretty good, I just find it hard to imagine anyone calling it one of the best films ever made.
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Is that the movie where Leo Dicaprio gets ass-fucked by a bull-dozer?
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- Shade is right. Comparing this to Pearl Harbour is a fool's errand - a Fool's Errand!!! In fact complaining about Scorcese at all is a idiotic venture! Nothing gained! Shut yer pie holes, ya bunch of Kiwi worshipping ass grabbers! Jackson, thus far has proven that he can make ONE epic mastepiece (so far), and y'all want to lick his balls (yes, even all you fellas out there) - Marty's made way more! At least 2! So blind, so inconsistently consistently blind...... Ya make me sick! Sick I tells ya!
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"Titanic" may not be a great movie, but I suspect most people found it highly entertaining. That's a rare thing in movies these days, and it ought to be praised.
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Dec 07, 2002 1:50:54 AM CST
The Last Waltz, The King of Comedy, After Hours, Kundun...
by billy talent
Just a handful of wonderful films that don't get nearly enough mention.
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While I generally don't get too riled up about people's opinions about movies I do really think that most people's problems with Titanic are solely related to it's popularity and pop-culture prevalence. Anyone that has even an ounce of admiration for filmmaking or respect for the process of bringing a story to film effectively and then denies to give Titanic the credit it is due is more than a little off-base. People don't like the bombast....well, it's a MELODRAMA. People don't like DiCaprio....why - probably because people can't separate him or his performance from the teen-girl marketing wave that the movie left in its wake. I guess the main problem that I have with people that bash this movie is that their criticisms come from a place that is less than honest from the get-go, as if to say any movie that cost that much or created that much hubbubb just isn't worth giving and cred to. It is absolutely one of the best films made by Hollywood over the past 10 or more years and to deny that seems petty or probably prejudiced on some level.
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It will probably be sucky.
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Dec 07, 2002 12:21:12 PM CST
Who cares about this shit? Lord Of The Rings will rule them all!
by razic_ore
Lord Of The Rings has already killed off Star Wars, Harry Potter, James Bond, Jurrasic Park, Spiderman, X-Men and The Matrix and Gangs Of New York is next!!
The Two Towers is going to wipe the floor with it at the Box-Office and don't anybody dare say that it's not!
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Dec 07, 2002 4:08:23 PM CST
Maybe there was a time when thugs wore top hats, but that's stil
by zizzish
I hope this is good, but my hopes are diminishing. Miramax is putting most of it's muscle behind Chicago which is a bad sign for this flic. Also, that Leo is a mediocre actor. Accept it. He is the Haley Joel Osment of actors in their late 20s. Even if you can find some roles where he doesn't suck, he deflates the drama more often than he enhances it. People tend to be over impressed by anyone playing a diagnosis, b/c they don't realize that's the easiest form of acting. It takes effort to not get praise for playing a retarded kid.
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Dec 07, 2002 6:01:19 PM CST
I think this could be good...tough sell, sure. And you know wha
by kingkarll
....Seems to me like the Cultasourus Tolkien Trekkies are at it again. Lest anyone else DARE mention another flick, say something favorable about it-ooooooooo no no no no, gotta have the one about the talking Elms and the Breakdancing Wizards and the fake looking Wolfsteeds and the CGI heroin addict instead...get a life. Daniel Day Lewis is by himself better than anything you will see in Petey Jax's little Braveheart knockoff. And you can tell him I said that too. :-P :-P
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I'm going to have to agree with those who are fairly saying that Leo isnt that bad of an actor. It just makes perfect sense that Leo, a good looking guy starring in the most succesful movie of all time would immediatly get whiplash by a bunch of losers calling him a pretty boy who can't act. And i should know, cus I was one of them. But this has been Scorsese's dream project for a good twenty years, and he wouldnt screw it up by getting bad acting to do this movie. So i have faith that DiCaprio and Diaz will give great performances here, along with everyone else involved.
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Criticize a movie that they ain't seen!! Where in heck do the comparisons to Titanic or Pearl Harbour or ANYTHING lead to?!! Good review, doesn't sound like a hack, and a message to everyone flaming here: pay your monies and see it THEN criticize it: but if you're gonna play "fight the corporate movie wars", go and see another big film then shoot this one, then you're nothing but a total cunt. That goes for ANYONE flaming what they haven't yet seen!! -
this movie will suck. It just wont convey what Scorceses other films had...soul. and Deniro. (pretty much) yep I said it, so put that in your tophat, and smoke it. repeatedly.
(I loved kundun, saw AOI too long ago to remember but remember it being long)
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