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Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

FARSCAPE fans, I’ll give you this... you are devoted. I’m going to be reviewing Season One of FARSCAPE as part of next week’s special edition of my DVD column, so I’m just now getting caught up as to what all the fuss is about. I know you were upset by this year’s cancellation of the show, but there’s a glimmer of hope in this tidbit that was just submitted by a first-time spy...

Word from Gigi Edgley (Chiana) and Claudia Black (Aeryn Sun), among others, at the official Farscape convention in New York on the 29th and 30th of this past month is that there is a strong possibility of a Farscape motion picture, and/or a four-parter. Black joked that in a film, it would probably be Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts playing John and Aeryn, to which the audience booed. Also in attendance were Wayne Pygram (Scorpius), Anthony Simcoe (D'Argo) and Virginia Hey (Zhaan). Black also said that exec. producer David Kemper says he found a way to "finish" Farscape with what was shot without actually "ending" it, hinting that it leaves room to finish the story later which the audience cheered. If you decide to post this, just call me...

Captain Bialar Crais

I’m sure you’re going to hear from excited FARSCAPE fans everywhere, Captain, and thanks for sharing!

"Moriarty" out.

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  • Dec. 2, 2002, 6:51 a.m. CST


    by maelic001

    Would still rather have a full season 5, but this is good news.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Well gawwwwwwd damnnnn!! SECOND [snicker]

    by DoggyDaddi

    Total fucking coolness! Any chance I get to see more of Claudia is fine with me.. but more Farscape TOO??? YEAH!

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 7:46 a.m. CST

    scorpi is my hero

    by SomeSmeg

    i was so hoping the would do movies joy! ^.^

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Farscape Season One

    by NOVAJimBo

    Moriarty, Have fun with season 1. It starts a little slow but right around episode 18, it becomes the best sci-fi ever. Capt Crais, Thanks for the update. NovaJimbo

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Farscape Movies

    by themidnighter23

    if they cant make more seasons they should just make movies.. look at Star Trek, that thing died how many times but she keeps coming back for more.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Please let this happen, please let this happen.

    by Sod Off Baldric

    I would be a happy camper indeed if I could see some more FARSCAPE and have it end with some closure. It is (was) the best SF show on television, and the Sci-Fi Channel (aka the New Age Channel) can blow me for canceling it. If they think I'm going to sit through 10 episodes a day of John Edwards or that flakey dream show they have in the works, then Bonnie Hammer and the rest of the yahoos in charge of that channel are even dumber than I thought. Bring on FARSCAPE: THE MOTION PICTURE!

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Too bad they just can't get renewed!

    by Russman

    So in my own petty way, I'm not watching Sci-Fi Channel anymore. So someone please review "Taken" cuz I won't be watching it.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 3:49 p.m. CST

    well Whoopity-doo

    by Forget_Byron

    Farscape Schmarscape. That show sucked, and I'm glad its gone. The only redeeming quality about it was that none of the characters had any loyalty to each other, and even that got old after a while. They should have killed Claudia Black's character instead of the blonde chick (can't remember her name, but she was MUCH hotter)!

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 9:22 p.m. CST

    They just had a Farscape movie on this past week which was calle

    by Anyawatcher

    I thought this TB would be filled with the millions of Farscape fans furiously masterbating over this news. I've seen most of the last season and it was bad. And how much for the DVD set, christ they are trying to rip the fans off. I think they charged so much because they know their fanbase is small they need to make money. Buy the Buffy dvd's, a value at 40 bucks. Come on Farscape fans, CRY!!

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Farscape Movie?

    by DomisInnerChild

    Who's going to finance this straight to video mess? Didn't they tear all the sets down? Maybe they can piece together shots from all the episodes and sell it in Hong Kong with voice overs. What's next, a Mannimal movie? I need closure on that series too. BTW, great Muppet Movie joke.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Who killed the muppets?

    by DomisInnerChild

    Read this quote. Here's why there's no season five, "The series, which debuts on Dec. 2 and is scheduled to air on consecutive nights, accounts for almost 25 percent of Sci Fi channel's total budget for 2002". Think when Sci-Fi was doing the budget for this year and this big pile of crap dropped in the middle of it that Farscape's budget was the first thing they figured they needed to scrap?

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Sorry, that quote was in reference to Taken

    by DomisInnerChild

    40 hours of Dark Skies II is why there's no more Farscape. Enjoy.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Anywatcher is a fucking moron: You watched how many episodes of

    by RoobyRoo

    Farscape has so many hardcore fans because it's a well-made show. If it's not your thing (you know, well written and interesting) that's fine. But to claim that you watched most of last season and don't like the show just seems stupid. More likely you're a troll who is upset that there's not another Gilmore Girls talkback this week. And Domi'sInnerChild: If you can't get your thoughts into one post, or even two consecutive posts, maybe you need to spend more time thinking and less time flaming. As for Moriarty, thanks for being cool enough to post these bits of news.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Ro0byRoo your a fucking idiot

    by Anyawatcher

    Yea I watched the show to see what the big deal was about. I'm not going to say a show is bad after 1 viewing. Just cuz your sad boring muppet show is canceled you attack me for watching a show or multiple weeks before saying it's good or bad. Fuck you and your little show that a few thousand people cared about. There won't be a theatrical movie or a 6th season. Just be glad Kermit and Big Bird still do tv & movies. If you need a Farscape fix, watch Seasme Street-it has better characters, writing, sets, acting...

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:31 p.m. CST

    You want to get rid of Anyawatcher?

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Just do something like this: "Xander is so fat, his favorite food is seconds." He gets all pissy about it, throws a tantrum, then leaves.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Actually Pulp_Dusk...

    by RoobyRoo

    I didn't say that Gilmore Girls' writing was bad, as I've never watched the show. I stated that the mentally challenged Anywatcher was upset that there was no Gilmore Girls talkback, therefore he felt the need to troll in here. And Anywatcher: Anyone stupid enough to attack Farscape as being too muppet-heavy clearly hasn't watched the show. That's a shallow attack which echoes the off-the-cuff, semi-bashing remarks which Herc usually posts with his earlier "news." Anywatcher clearly has issues with Sesame Street, or muppets in general, which suggests that maybe he/she should stand up from the computer, go to the phone book, and look up the number of a good therapist. Maybe it's just that you're actually nine years old. In any case, glad you get such a boner for PBS children's shows.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I have a serious Farscape question

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Way back in season one, Aeryn and Jon were on this desert planet and discovered there was a bounty on the other's heads. Remember that episode? Ok, good, because I was wondering if later on in the show, it was ever addressed why the heat of the desert planet didn't adversely affect Aeryn and send her into the "living death" Was this just a writer's mistake or what? Its always bugged me.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:44 p.m. CST

    bite me

    by Anyawatcher

    PULP-The muppet references are just a fun way to poke fun at the Farscape fans because it drives them nuts. look how pissed Roo got. I didn't say i hated it because of them. I'd rather have a muppet than that CGI crap Lucas uses for characters. The show just didn't go anywhere. And your review of the first season and a half tells me the first 3 seasons are prob like the 4th. QWERTY-no it's just the TB get boring after a while when 20 in a row are about your jealousy of Xander and Angel. And Rooby do you like to make up stuff? What up w/ the Gilmore girls-i'd be upset if there were no 24 TB. Go back to trying blowing yourself. and cry more that your show is no more.

  • Dec. 2, 2002, 10:52 p.m. CST

    In response to Qwerty:

    by RoobyRoo

    I always assumed that the "living death" bit was a throwaway because it was early in the first season. I agree that she should have been affected by the heat on that planet, and it wasn't explained to my knowledge. And again with Anywatcher: I can respect having fun at the expense of another show's fans. Hell I've done a bit of that myself. As for crying that the show is cancelled, I've got four seasons to enjoy, and given how good the show is that's an unusual milestone in today's television environment. I still think you're a moron, though.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 1:03 a.m. CST

    I didn't think that was much of a flame

    by DomisInnerChild

    Seriously, who's going to finance a Farscape movie? It almost certainly will be a straight to video movie regardless. Other than Star Trek, what other live action TV show became a movie that played on the big screen (they are plenty of Knight Rider movies of course, but this story seemed to hint big screen). With the show dismantled, it also could be tough to round up the cast as they get other jobs. No matter what, you have to admit the muppets were kind of embarassing. Just like the Werewolves on Buffy. It's pretty funny how pissed Farscape fans get when you bring it up. Anyway, my point is that Farscape is dead because of Taken. Why isn't anybody pissed about that and would rather gloat over Firefly going on hiatus or rip on other shows still on the air. Typically the better shows , not the crap that needs to go(I'm not a Gilmore Girls fan or anything, but I'd rather see Temptation Island get the boot than that).

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Dommi's Inner Child

    by Trader Groucho

    The budget numbers do not tell the whole story. Before Farscape, Sci-Fi was the channel of TOS and Battlestar reruns (along with a few other awful series not worth mentioning), along with a whole lot of time rented out for informercials. Farscape put Sci-Fi on the map. IOW, it was well worth the licensing fee. If the producers play their cards right, cancellation may be the best thing to happen to the franchise. This show has the kind of rabid loyal fan base that spells decent opening weekend numbers for a Farscape flick at the gigaplex. If they can deliver a movie that reaches past the core fan base (a la Trek), they're in for at least two sequels. Claudia Black's was a pointed bit of humor at the convention. She knows that it takes both the fictional world AND this set of actors to make the franchise work. Ben Browder may well be the next William Shatner. He could do worse.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 4:26 a.m. CST

    TV shows that have become big-screen movies

    by Trader Groucho

    Well, let's see. Charlie's Angels, Mission: Impossible, Dragnet, The Mod Squad, X-Files, Twilight Zone, Police Squad (which was cancelled after a mere six episodes), The Flintstones, Wild Wild West, Rocky & Bullwinkle, Scooby-Doo, Lost in Space, the Addams Family, the Brady Bunch, I Spy.... Starsky & Hutch and Hawaii Five-0 are in development. I'm there are are more. Of course, this isn't counting the assorted SNL sketches that were turned into movies.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 4:34 a.m. CST

    And of course I forgot

    by Trader Groucho

    The Muppet movies.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 4:42 a.m. CST

    I screwed up and cut off my comment

    by DomisInnerChild

    It should have read "lasted four seasons with low ratings and were made into films other than Star Trek". Seeing as nearly all of those are reto flicks and/or inexpensive comedies, so you should get your Farscape movie in about 2030. A don't know if you can get the casual vewier expecting Star Wars quality special effects without dumping the muppets and giving the movie a huge budget. Killing the muppets could hurt the core fan base. Upping the budget could keep the movie from ever happening. Seriously, how many Farscape fans are actually out there? Does anybody have any ratings on the show? Two million? Three million? How many people watched it?

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Is it me, or does Gigi(Chiana) look and sound just like Carrie F

    by Monkey_King

    Gigi, Claudia and that new redhead chick are the hottest things in Sci-Fi(Gates McFadden is always great as well).

  • I'm sure that's what the cast members meant. A special Sci-Fi channel movie (like the one they did for Babylon 5 spinoff "The Rangers") or a special four-part miniseries to end the series correctly. I wish they would make an announcement, because I'm boycotting SciFi Channel till they fix this mess.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 8:42 a.m. CST

    My take on Taken

    by themidnighter23

    I know why it's called Taken... It's like "Taken a crap" cuz that's what it is, CRAP. Farscape Movie dammit, someone make it happen!!!

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Please explain the appeal of the Muppets to me

    by sofalord

    I've just never understood why people find the Henson stuff in movies all that entertaining. Yeah some of it is funny on tv but in a dramatic film I just have never "bought" any of the Henson Creature stuff that's been in movies like Labyrinth or Dark Crystal. It always just looks like puppets to me. Yeeeessshh! I just noticed that stomach-churning animation at the top of the screen. I'm gonna have to go throw up now.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Jumping into the whole Farscape debate here

    by spike fan

    Pulp you have only seen the first season and a half. Watch the whole of season two (Like BuffyS2 it has one or two bad episodes in a good story and a brilliant finale) and Season 3, That season does deserve aclaim it had SCRATCH AND SNIFF and REVENGING ANGEL that were the equal of HUSH and OMWF as emmy episodes. ###### Scorpius was a hell of an interesting scifi charachter that at first seems a typical villian but you see as the show progresses he is really a hero trying to save the galaxy from a more deadly enemy the Scarrens John is just a means to an end. (And if you ask question his actions ask your self how many civilians the USA killed in Afghanistan to get Bin Laden and the awnser would be more than the twin towers so it does have real life comparisons.### Also I would point out that Buffy s6 failed like S4 and while S7 is an improvment on s6 There are episodes that are rehashing old themes and lots of obvious set up to try and get DtVS.So Buffy is not perfect.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Jesus, these trolls are everywhere... where's my sword?

    by TheWoodMan

    Ugh. Sorry to see you Farscape fans have to put up with the slings and arrows of Buffy Geeks, just like Lord of the Rings fans have George Lucas' mentally-challenged devotees to deal with. My question for the Buffy Brigade: how come, when Schwarzenegger impales a guy on a broken steam-pipe and says "Blow off some steam, Bennett", it's low-brow trash, but when the bimbo Gellar finishes off a vampire with a stake and says "There, get the point?" it's The Sharpest, Wittiest Writing Ever?

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 12:38 p.m. CST

    No More Sci Fi on Sci Fi

    by dandosama

    It is clear that science fiction fans are no longer the target audience of the Sci Fi Channel. Ever since it became the place to watch Alien Autopsy, John Edwards, Sightings, Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction, Sci Fi Happens and other "reality"-based fare, I can only assume that the target demographic is lowest-common-denominator, slope-browed, paste-eating morons. With the exception of reruns of Babylon 5 and Star Trek, and who hasn't seen them yet, there is little on the channel that can be classified as science fiction and nothing that is even remotely worth watching. This includes Taken, which is clearly aimed at the aforementioned UFO-believing paste eaters. Most of my friends don't boycott the channel, we just find that there is nothing worth bothering with anymore. And I am sad to say that Sci Fi probably won't miss us, or anyone else on this message board. They have made a conscious decision to appeal to a different kind of viewer. Time to move on, I guess.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST

    YODA was a muppet!!!

    by Spaceman Spliff

    Jesus, people, why don't we just skip the juvenile trolling and just watch the damn show? You might find that we scapers are on to something. And so far I have yet to read an explanation of why the presence of muppets is a bad thing. They're better than freakin' Ewoks, that's for damn sure!

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 1:10 p.m. CST

    The Death of Sci-Fi is here (notify the USA Network shareholders

    by DiscreetLogic

    I am seeing, what appears to me, to be the beginning of the end for the Sci-Fi channel. The first clue was canning Farscape. While it may not have been a ratings powerhouse, it was arguably one of the most creative shows on television

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by Vnhaln1

    They cancel Farscape but have 2 new series... Tremors (based on the lame ass movies) and Dreams (talk show about dream interpretation). Not to mention that they keep Lexx (one of the worst pieces of Sci-fi crap ever).

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Yoda was a Muppet

    by Roj Blake

    It's been said before, but I'm saying it again...

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah Man, Lame Logo

    by TheWoodMan

    Kudos to DiscreetLogic for pointing out that lame new Sci-Fi Channel logo. I almost forgot... or was I blanking it out? Don't know how I overlooked it; it only takes up about 1/8 of the screen. Some other points: -Their airing of Trek doesn't redeem them at all, since they only (seem to) show the lame 2nd & 3rd season episodes (the dreaded Chekhov years). If they're gonna have the balls to call themselves THE Sci-Fi Channel, shouldn't any & all of the Star Trek shows be a prominent part of their programming... including the goofy but fun cartoon series, for Saturday Mornings? As for Babylon 5, I'll have to take your word for it that they show it... all I ever see when I (increasingly rarely) pass through is some lame made-for-TV "thriller" or "The Langoliers"... AGAIN. When I first saw Sci-Fi I thought it was the coolest thing ever because they showed "U.F.O.", a childhood favorite I hadn't seen in, like, 25 years (I even had the lunchbox). I doubt I'd be so impressed if I was just coming on board nowadays. -Yoda WAS a Muppet... now he's a computer-generated Muppet. Thanks, George... very innovative. -I can see why people would object to the use of Muppets on a (relatively) big-budget show, but at least the creatures on Farscape look like monsters & bizarre aliens... as opposed to the latter-day Star Treks where they just settle for gluing various latex vulvas on actors' foreheads. Pilot always looked good, and his mouth-movements even matched his dialogue; Rygel, on the other hand, never looked like anything but a sock puppet. -Hope you guys saw the recent "South Park" where they dumped all over the hack John Edwards (someone in the media had to have the guts to do it). Hilarious; I almost wet myself.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Farscape is so much better than 95 % of what is on TV

    by warlock411

    My mother is almost blind so she did not know Rigel was a muppet she thought he was a small actor. She likes farscape even if she cant see the FX. This shows you how good the writing was.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Farscape, Firefly

    by xoman

    Farscape was my favorite show and I am still bummed that they cancelled it. Sure, every third show was lame, but the characters were great. I found myself caring a lot about them and their struggles, especially John C. and Aeryn. When the John C. clone(?) died, it broke my heart. And when Aeryn came back to Moya and gave the real(?) John C. the cold shoulder - I was devastated. Like a previous poster, I didn't fall for the show until the daily reruns. Anyway, this show should have had a chance to run it's course just on its merits alone, it's a shame it didn't. I won't boycott SciFi because it is home of another good(not great) show - Stargate. I sure as hell won't be watching anything else though! It's a shame that Firefly is all set to share it's fate. Firefly is simply the best new show on T.V. I didn't like it so much the first few episodes, and the theme music really sucks. After the female bounty hunter ep., I was hooked. I might have liked it better sooner if those numbskulls at FOX would've shown them in order from the pilot. It's really depressing that riskiest, most satisfying shows get the axe before finding their audience. Seinfeld got a chance, why can't firefly?

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 7:18 p.m. CST

    TheWoodMan: Nice posts, mostly agree.

    by RoobyRoo

    The Buffy analysis works for me. I don't get it (a mishmash of genres, only successful at the teenage melodrama angle), though I'm not trying to start a fight with Buffy fanatics. As for the South Park skewering of that dipshit scam-artist, John Edward, it was spot-on. What a fucking asshole, and the Sci-Fi executives should hang their heads in shame to be putting that crap out to the public. Though maybe the public deserves it, as many of them are clearly gullible enough to believe that their dead relatives have nothing better to do than talk to the living through John Edward. Don't you think they'd have something more relevant to say than "hopefully the letter 'A' will remind my relative of our wonderful vacation to Australia?" Why don't the dead ever communicate something interesting, like where your lost sock is, or that so-and-so has a secret crush on you so pay attention. No, they just (supposedly) tell the living shit they already know. What a fucking flim-flam man. Carl Sagan was right: The growing movement toward superstition in mainstream America is very troubling. And all of that 90's X-Files, UFO abduction crap is just updated demon posession. To conclude, I agree that Sci-Fi was once full of promise, and was very exciting toward the beginning. But after the novelty of Battlestar Galactica reruns wears off, the channel needed to do better than become a televised version of the National Enquirer. The four years of Farscape was the best thing Sci-Fi ever did, by far.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 8:32 p.m. CST

    i just shit my pants.....

    by sigma957

    Ok....Sci-Fi Kills Farscape...ok...budgets yada yada, too arch based...yada yada...but now as their new ad flips by today...i see they are making TREMORS the Series!?????????.....Who the FUCK is making decisions at SciFi?...i mean ok,...original flick...2 sucked ass, 3 sucked bleeding recently fucked ass....and now they want to make a series of it?...and people wonder why i drink!

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 8:38 p.m. CST are a douche

    by sigma957

    YES...i agree the south park that ripped John "the douche" Edwards was possible the best thing i have seen all year.....(note..Not seen TTT yet).....but do you think the powers that be at Sci-Fi give a damn?....and that new logo...jesus you are right it takes up so much of the screen....thought maybe it was just going to be for this shitty Taken miniseries...but i doubt we would be so lucky

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 10 p.m. CST

    sofalord, exactly what is your definition of "muppets"???

    by The Killer-Goat

    If you're questioning the appeal, then look even closer than the Yoda comments that everyone's making. In the original star wars trilogy itself, there's the rancor, tantauns, jabba, all these other creatures that people obviously had no problems absorbing off the screen. I agree that Hercules is coming off like an ass for so many glib toss-offs about puppetry in movies. No, you can't get away with seperating 'muppets' and 'puppets', they use the same theories of performance. Or perhaps you want a contemporary example? Check the LOTR documentaries for the guys in the oversized human getups for the hobbit scene at the Prancing Pony. THAT also qualifies as a form of 'puppetry'. So what exactly do you think you're questioning? The application? Well I'd rather have been force-fed a total muppet version of Jar Jar in EP1, than the lax attempts of cgi they used. All that proved was how short Lucas' team fell from imitating puppetry. Given the option, I'd rather have seen Binks frappeed into a nice bowl of chum. And I'll second the irony of Whedon fans cheering on his 'cheese-isms" in Buffy and calling them smart. Firefly has NO cheese-isms and a great team cast. Same as Farscape. And they've both suffered some really intolerable stories. 4 really good Firefly ep's for me, thanks. Which leaves at least 20 more ep's to top Farscape's current run of..what, 40-something? When they were bad, they were pretty bad, but when they were good, they were fantastic-o. Is it me or is the tone in this Farscape TB relatively more civil than before? Perhaps now the majority of trolls for each group have found a common ground: Good scifi is damn tough to find anywhere, lately.

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 10:05 p.m. CST

    The Truth About the Future of Farscape

    by Roj Blake

    The truth's entirely up in the air. Most members of the Farscape creative team seem to feel that if the ratings are high enough (i.e. a 2.0 or higher) come January (that's January 10th for Ep. 412, "Kansas"), then TPTB at SciFi may well play ball and commission a S5. This is not outside the realms of possibility, especially given that Farscape awareness is at an all-time high since its cancellation. The key, loyal fans, is to TUNE IN - especially to the first showing every Friday evening. Get your friends to tune in on their TV. If you know somebody with a Nielsen box, for God's sake, PAY them to tune in! Also, don't forget there will be a Farscape marathon (a rerun of all episodes thus far in S4) beginning in the morning on Dec. 24th. Also on January 3rd they'll be rerunning both "Coup by Clam" and also "Unrealized Reality". Rating for those reruns would be great, too. Awareness is the key, folks. Don't give up the fight, 'cuz good TV is worth fighting for - Muppets or no Muppets. Check out for more info. The folks there are very friendly and they'll talk to you and answer your questions. That or e-mail me and *I'll* answer your questions. - Roj Blake...Teleport...NOW!

  • Dec. 3, 2002, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Buffy's witticisms.

    by Mistah Kurtz

    It's really quite simple, WoodMan. When Schwarzenegger blah blah whateverthefuckyousaid, it's lowbrow trash because the film of which it is a part is lowbrow trash. The pun is not an organic part of the character or the story, but part of a hack formula. When the hero kills the villain, he supposedly should say something to demonstrate the sheer extent to which the villain's ass has just been kicked. The "bimbo Gellar," on the other hand, plays a psychologically complex character; when she gives out a pun, be it brilliant or not, it functions as an emotional pressure valve, for both the character and the audience. That's possibly the theory behind the Schwarzenegger quip as well, but it doesn't work as well there because the character has no interior emotional life which to express. *** In addition, you might try watching an episode in its entirety. If you'll do, you'll notice that there's dialogue outside of fight-time quips. I suppose I could try and explain how, sometimes, even the fight quips are used in service of thematic development as well, but then I'd be breaking my promise to keep it simple, wouldn't I? I'll save it for another time.

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Kurtz, I HAVE seen entire episodes...

    by The Killer-Goat

    and, her flippant comments aren't sprinkles on a chocolate sundae, they're the excess cinnamon that turns the flan to crud. And I think you missed Woodman's actual point, which is the laughability value in being able to actually compare Buffy's quips to Arnold's in the first place. Any time a character's lines merit the comparison is a bad sign. Or, to turn your logic on you, Arnold IS the epitomy of bad one-liners, anyone else is a cheap imitation. For Buffy, it's not even necessary, and demeans the meager interest I was cultivating for her "psychologically complex character" amidst a dark atmosphere. "Emotional pressure valve"? Right, the same way a one-line joke carries over a tense moment oh-so well ("Hey bud, a string walks into a bar, yadda yadda..."). Weak and the delivery hurts. It may even be her own personality type, but everyone else? No excuse. I'll take into consideration that Arnold's films are generally aimed at the under-14 crowd, totally unapologetically. I'd be surprised if Buffy was initially targeted at any age group older than high school, which only serves to remind that the majority of America, up to their 40's, has yet to emerge from angst-ridden shells of teenhood. Okay, that's a cheap shot. But you know what? I may not like Buffy, but I like Firefly, and Whedon and Co. have obviously proven they don't NEED crappy one-liners at every fight scene to relieve a tense moment, and they've wisely avoided plenty of opportunity to screw that pooch in a MUCH lighter atmosphere than Buffy.

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 2:33 a.m. CST

    put Gonzo in the Farscape movie!

    by Tall_Boy

    and throw in a musical number! that would bring in an audience and probably fit right in

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Goatkiller and Kurtz

    by Qwerty Uiop

    I disagree with both of you. I think Buffy's one liners are supposed to be bad. I think they're homages to all those awful one liners from all those crappy action flicks. They're funny because they're bad and they know they're bad. Buffy says them because she knows superheros are supposed to say them, shes grown up on those kind of crappy films. The show adds them in for that very reason. Its a self awareness on both the characters and the writers part as to what they really are. Thats why Buffy is good, you can laugh with it and at it.

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Buffy and Farscape

    by Geekgrrl

    Are both good, so put a sock in it, people! I'm not intentionally boycotting SciFi, but after they've canceled every show that I liked, what's the point of watching? They'll either cancel it too early (Farscape, The Invisible Man) rehash things I've seen before (Star Trek, Bab5) or make something totally lame and unwatchable (John Douche Edwards, Black Scorpion)

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 1:52 p.m. CST

    a wee little song

    by Anyawatcher

    Muppet Babies, we make our dreams come true-Muppet Babies, we'll do the same for you/ Kermit: When your world looks kinda weird and you wish that you weren't there/ Piggy: Just close your eyes and make believe and you can be anywhere/ Kermit: I like adventure/Piggy: I like romance/ Fozzie: I love great jokes/ Animal: Animal dance!!/ Scooter: I've got my computer/ Skeeter: I swing through the air/ Rowlf: I play the piano/ Gonzo: And I have blue hair. Wa!/ Bunsen: Me, I invent things/ Beaker: Mee mee mee meee!/ Nanny: Is everything all right in here?/All: Yes, Nanny. Muppet Babies, we make our dreams come true/ Muppet Babies, we'll do the same for you/ Muppet Muppet Muppet Muppet/ Babies Babies Babies Babies/ Make dreams come true

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Xander is so fat....

    by Qwerty Uiop

    On Halloween he says: "Trick or Meatloaf."

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Damn! How the hell does Anywatcher know the lyrics to the Muppe

    by RoobyRoo

    Either that or a good memory for the show. I never watched it because I was too old for that tripe by the time it aired in the 80's. As for the price of the Farscape DVD's: No, they're not cheap, but they're not really over-priced, either. Star Trek TNG seasons are retailing for about $100 online, more if you buy them in most stores. I picked up my season one Farscape set for about $110. Nobody would claim that Star Trek's fanbase is small and needs to rip off its few fans, so it can't reasonably be argued that Farscape is doing that, either. $100 for about 22 hours of a show (plus many commentaries) isn't an unfair price, given what other DVD's go for.

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 4:57 p.m. CST

    that still supports my points, Qwerty.

    by The Killer-Goat

    even Arnold uses his lines just for the onscreen cheese factor. As you said, "funny because they're bad and they know they're bad". People like watching WWF for similar reasons, apparently. I'll take your 'homage' comment to correct my 'cheap imitation' slur, but the other point stands: it's initially unnecessary to either Arnold's OR Gellar's characters. They use them for the SAME damn reasons, and I'd say Arnold had tenure on "cheese-isms" long before Buffy, I just happen to be tired of hearing it from either of them. If she were the only one on the show using it "code to personality"... but she isn't, so it seems overdone all around. And sure, her character may have more "depth" than Arnold's paperthin one-shots, which of course is Arnold's choice for not opting a long-running series. For some it's a guilty pleasure, but I just see it as cliche to her character, in the same way Arnold thrives off that very reputation. It's a matter of taste, I'm sure, but Kurtz brushing off Arnold left Buffy open for her own criteria. I think Woodman was just trying to counter pot with kettle. And just so it stays on-topic: To the folks bashing "muppetry" in scifi films, it seems convenient to ignore that scifi shows with nothing but humans or 'humanoids' in space (Enterprise, Star Trek, Firefly) stand out just as much. I can at least appreciate the decent attempts at showing *some* alien diversity, as opposed to the cheap 'human-in-makeup' monotony or even the complete xenophobia of ANY alien lifeforms.

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 6:35 p.m. CST

    For people who ditch this show and Love Trek better...

    by cooper2000

    they need to get their heads checked. Sure you can joke about Muppets but this show is far better than anything the Trek Franchise has put out in 10 years. Bar None. I am watching season 3 for the first time and its an amazing how with great characters. Its dark and meaningful.and the reset button isnt pressed at the end of every show like on Enterprise and Voyager.

  • Dec. 4, 2002, 7 p.m. CST

    Anya watcher

    by cooper2000

    I was just reading through the posts. You act this mean hearted and ignorant around people you know or just on boards. What an idiot. yeah, I just blew my load while watching John Crichton and Arern. Geez, are you in 6th grade? Pathetic. For you being who you are, you are banished to the I Love Enterprise boards for life. As far as Taken goes. Its X-files meets "V". I am not watching it

  • Dec. 5, 2002, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Did anybody watch Taken and stay awake?

    by DomisInnerChild

    Bad, bad, bad. I think it might have even been better with muppets.

  • Dec. 5, 2002, 12:46 a.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    I can see your points, and think maybe we're argueing shades of gray. I realize that Arnold is self aware now, but he didn't start out like that and I don't count WWF (because I hate it) because I'm not convinced that they realize what the irony of it is. I think they're "tough guy one liners" are more tough guy isms, then tongue in cheek jokes. And in Buffy's case I believe the opposite is true, but whatever. Like I said, shades of gray.

  • Dec. 5, 2002, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Science-Fiction programming on Sci-Fi in 2003? ...Or not

    by TheWoodMan

    I saw a "Coming in 2003"-type promo where Sci-Fi boasts of the following highlights: -"E.T.". I assume this is the "enhanced" version. I'll watch it if the "enhancements" include a revised ending where Peter Coyote succeeds in dragging the adorable, cuddly Doctor of Botany away to Area 51, to be soaked in liquid nitrogen and sliced into potato-chips for study. -"Apollo 13". Uhhh, maybe I'm missing something, but aren't real-life events generally not classified as "fiction"? Maybe this would be more appropriate on the USA Network. -"Children of Dune". This shows promise, but of course I'll wait and see. Sci-Fi "Dune" was a bit cheap & cheesy, a bit sloppy & inconsistent (Fremen running around outdoors without stillsuits, f'rinstance). Maybe they'll get a budget & producers who've read the book this time, though. I'm looking forward to seeing if they have the stones to tackle "God Emperor of Dune". Sci-Fi's new emphasis is clearly on the light, wimpy, and positive... and protagonists don't come much more unpleasant & unlikeable than the despicable worm, Leto 2. -And of course (just to keep this post on-topic)... FARSCAPE! Don't know whether this means they plan to keep the show, or just use its popularity to sell their failing network, but... we'll see.

  • Dec. 5, 2002, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by chickenmonkey

    I love you.

  • Dec. 5, 2002, 11:27 p.m. CST

    who's mean hearted??? and R.I.P. Glenn Quinn-Doyle on Angel

    by Anyawatcher

    my muppet jokes were atleast a lil' funny-Oh and who's ??? You emailed me and wrote "You really are quite an idiot. Your Mommy not give you enough attention growing up?" Like i said -keep it in TB. I know everyone here would want to hear your words of wisdom. And don't knock early Arnold. His stupid one liners and jokes are classics. Like in Commando when fighting in the motel woom he knocks the guy through the door and there's the chick w/ big tits. Then goes on to say "I eat Green Beret's for breakfast-and I'm very hungry now" brillant bad line. I guess all Bond movies suck cuz they are filled w/ cheesy lines. And a moment of silence for Glenn Quinn(Doyle on Angel)-he died on the show and has died in real life. Thanks for the love chickenmonkey. Bring On The Night

  • Dec. 6, 2002, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by Vnhaln1

    If he died of natural causes or an accident then I wish him well in the next life. I liked him on Angel. If he died of a heroin overdose (as is being reported) then the stupid bastard got what was coming to him. Heroin is nothing to be messing with!

  • Dec. 7, 2002, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Fortunately, boycotting the Sci Fi channel is painless

    by St.Buggering

    I mean, what have they got that I'd want to see? Taken? John Edward? I'd rather turn to Comedy Central and see PCU for the eighth time. And let's not even mention Lexx. Oy.