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ANGEL Moving To Wednesday PREY Slot!!

Published at: Nov. 25, 2002, 9:12 p.m. CST

I am – Hercules!

Madonn’!!

We’re finally past having to choose between “Angel” and “The Sopranos” at 9 p.m. Sunday (the latter show will complete its fourth season long before “Angel” returns with new episodes in January) – and the WB moves “Angel” to the Wednesday Death Slot (WDS) that barbequed “Birds of Prey”! Now Wes, Fred, Krevlornswath, et al go opposite “West Wing,” “Amazing Race,” “Bachelor(ette),” “Fastlane” and “Twilight Zone.” Son of a bitch!!

On the bright side, things just got a lot easier for Sydney Bristow and “Alias.”

Monday, Nov. 25

WB adds two reality series, moves 'Angel'

The WB will introduce two new reality series in January and move "Angel" to another time slot, WB Entertainment President Jordan Levin said on a conference call to tout the network's November sweeps growth. "High School Reunion," produced by Mike Fleiss, will air Sundays at 9 p.m. starting Jan. 5. The hour-long series will get a second run each week on the following Thursday at 8 p.m. starting Jan. 9.

Also on Thursdays, The WB will add the half-hour reality show "The Surreal Life" at 9:30 p.m. The show will debut on Jan. 9 with back-to-back episodes from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. before settling into its 9:30 p.m. slot the following week. Mr. Levin said the Thursday moves will give the network a "more cohesive strategy for the night," but he added that it is a temporary solution. "It's our intention to return scripted series into the time slots," he said.

To make room on Sundays for "High School Reunion," "Angel" will move to Wednesday nights at 9 p.m., taking the time slot of the canceled "Birds of Prey." "Angel" will move to its new time slot in January with an original episode, but the date hasn't been set yet. Mr. Levin said "Birds of Prey" did prove that there is a fantasy audience and a male-heavy audience available for the time slot, and that "Angel" will be able to capitalize on that audience. Mr. Levin blamed the failure of "Birds of Prey" on not being able to get the show on track creatively and not having a strong writing showrunner on board.

Mr. Levin also said the network has ordered two more episodes of both "Reba" and "The Jamie Kennedy Experiment" along with three more episodes of "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch," bringing that series up to a full-season order.

The fellow who passed this along is a good source but forgot to mention where he got this, and Herc is way to busy to look around. If this is somebody’s news story rather than a WB press release, let me know so we can supply credit …

I am – Hercules!!





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  • Nov. 25, 2002, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Well, C-Ya Angel....

    by BLADE

    Wednesday WTF?

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Well, that sucks

    by Juni B

    Angel finally finds a successfull timeslot and they move it. Yeah, I'm an Alias fan too, but this is worse, West Wing's my favorite TV show and I usually like to watch and tape it, see it a couple times every week. Well, no more. This sucks.

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Ahhhhh! Angel vs. West Wing! No!

    by ZakChase

    Angel vs. The Sopranos was bad enough. But at least I was able to deal with it because HBO reruns The Sopranos at least three times during the week. But now I'm going to have to put the VCR to use, and I HATE putting the VCR to use. (For one reason -- with my setup -- I can't watch something and tape something else on my big TV.) Guess I'll be watching West Wing on my 13-inch bedroom TV while taping Angel for 10 p.m. viewing on my Sony Trinitron. Bastards!

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Good news too late...oh well Birds of Prey is gone!!!! REJOICE!!

    by LordWeymont

    I have missed one or two eps. of Sopranos because of the stupid time conflicts with "Alias," "Angel" and "Sopranos"... Anyway, water under the bridge... I AM STILL FREAKIN EXCITED THAT BIRDS THAT SHIT has been cancelled!!! What a piece of turd...

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 10:05 p.m. CST

    The WB must really have it in for Angel

    by warlock411

    They keep trying to kill this show thru mismanagement. Hopefully Angel can move to another network next year, one that will support it !

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Twilight Zone?

    by CW_Smark

    Seriously, who the hell is watching Twilight Zone. Herc always mentions it like people here actually are thinking to themselves, "Damn I have to choose between Angel and the Twilight Zone" or "Damn, I have to choose between West Wing or the Twilight Zone." Is there something about the ratings of this show that I don't know about? Nobody talks about it anywhere in cyberspace exept the ONE time Herc mentions it competing with somebody. Not to mention that what makes them think the Angel ratings are going to take a dive in the BOP spot. The ratings were down because that show sucked. Of coarse, maybe we don't deserve Angel after that sick stuff with Cordelia and Connor. Keep up the good work, Herc.

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Good, now I'll have something to do on Wednesdays...

    by kobayashi

    Even though it is obvious that WB IS trying to stick it to Angel. They thought that moving it to Sunday would be the death nail, but ratings went UP - 'doh! They must be sitting around thinking, "Better try moving it again - can't have this show be successful... damn Joss Weadon and all of his cohorts!" What does this mean for the rumored Firefly move? Anything? Different networks, yes, but will Fox want to move a Weadon show opposite another Weadon show? Probably not.

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Good Birds of Prey is gone.

    by Steal_Dragon

    Bird's of Prey had to be one of the easiest comics to do, but WB managed to mess it up, by changing the characters' really good backgrounds from the comics, and destroying them to fit their own stupid vision, why? What did they find so wrong with the comicbook Black Canary and comicbook Huntress. The 1960's campy "Batman" had better villians and plot, and compared to this show, that was not a joke. Let us see if UPN(uggg)can do a better job with Danger Girl, by not perverting their orgins.

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 10:42 p.m. CST

    yeah but...

    by coop

    by the time the show moves in January, the Sopranos season will have ended. I guess it's a good night to move to though, but Monday at 8 would be the best night for it. Nothing is on Monday but Boston Public at 9 and CSI Miami at 10.

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Thank God for TiVo

    by MarkInGrafton

    I have 5 dual-tuner DirecTiVos, so I'm covered as far as being able to record what I want. But it does suck that they're moving it against The West Wing.

  • Well I hope you're all happy, and I know you are you bitter, bitter killjoys.

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 11:08 p.m. CST

    it doesn't matter to me.

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    my local upn shows angel on tuesdays at 10:00pm. so it will be no biggie. but if it did matter i'd still watch angel. i've never seen any of the other shows in that timeslot, except twilight zone. i had hopes for the twilight zone, but it is grade b material.

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Angel's ratings, so not up it's funny.

    by thebahr

    S3 up to this point the end of sweeps had an average of 4.7 million viewers. S4 up to last week had a paltry 4.2 million viewers. It has suffered series low numbers of 3.6 million viewers for the past couple weeks and looks like that will not change. Angel lost to Birds of Prey on 6 of its 7 airings, and only beat out the show this week by a meager 130,000 viewers. Angel is routinely the lowest rated hourly show on the entire network, save its new companion Dawson's Creek. Not good times for those who work on Angel, not good times indeed. But I suppose it's no news to most of you, Angel's ratings have been in a constant decline since the first season. Now running at a pathetic 48% of what the show was doing when it first premiered, Angel looks to finish out the season with a wimper and be sent to the chopping block by The WB. I can't say I'm surprised, with everyone acting completely out of character on the show; people are losing hope, and are tuning out just as fast as that pod-Cordy slut jumped into Connor's bed. It's like incest I tell you.. Don't expect the show to get renewed, even 20th Century Fox doesn't see hope in that by releasing the Angel DVDs significantly ahead of it

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 11:42 p.m. CST

    The crippled red-head

    by DizzyOracle

    To 007-11: The red-head youre talking about in Birds of Prey is Dina Meyer. You may recognize her from Starship Troopers. She played Dizzy, the girl who died and had a crush on Casper Van Dien's character. Damn the WB for cancelling BoP!

  • Nov. 25, 2002, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Birds wasn't as bad as everybody makes it out to be

    by ejcarter9

    I watched each episode and didn't understand why everyone slammed it so much. It's too bad that this show didn't grab the audience that they were looking for. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was the best thing on tv, but it certainly wasn't BAD.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 12:35 a.m. CST

    WB

    by DizzyOracle

    The WB are goddamn idiots for letting BoP go. Personally, I hope Angel gets bad ratings so that I can laugh in their faces. God damnit, how else am I going to get my weekly Dina Meyer fix?!?

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Frankly I'm surprised.

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Yes, BOP was one of the all time shittiest genre shows ever. It had so many problems I don't have the energy to repost them all here and I'm shocked that some TV execs out there were able to recognize and deal appropriately with this fact. I thought for sure that it would stick around; smelling up my TV with its syphilitic writing and feculent production standards while retards around the world claimed it was quality television. Thank god, it is finally cancelled; it was giving all the rest of us that like similar shows a bad name. Now all the fucksticks who were entertained by this cacophony of stupidity can go back to sitting in the dirt and hitting themselves in the head with sticks or whatever it was they used to do before BOP was put on the air. Those BOP bitches were squashed by the righteously huge ass of Angel, they didn't stand a chance. I'm happy with the move. Sure the incest was sick, but at least now theres something fun to watch on Wednesday.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Meanwhile, on a very pathetic Thursday...

    by Darth Brooks

    Jamie Kennedy SURVIVED? Jeez. And they killed off Family Affair and Do Over - - already on the ropes from the ratings freight train of "Survivor" and the abysmal "Friends". At least Do Over was as smart as Freaks & Geeks. Family Affair was pretty twisted and funny, too. I'm going to miss Uncle Bill Lumbergh. Somebody get his red stapler on the way out.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 1:36 a.m. CST

    DizzyOracle is either Dina Meyer's ONLY fan...

    by Voice O. Reason

    ...or is secretly Dina Meyer. Now that its gone, I can lift my self-imposed ban on talking about it. "Birds of Prey" was pathetic. No character chemistry. No exciting storylines. I tried to watch it, but every time I was forced to turn it off or fast-forward to the end. Just my opinion, but I really fucking hated this show.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 1:40 a.m. CST

    by DizzyOracle

    I guess I liked the show because I like Dina. Besides, the writing is improving. Batgirl returns on Wednesday so it should be interesting. Oh, the bad guy in this ep is a Playboy model...

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Oooooh, a Playboy bunny, you say?

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Alright, we'll get to see her in a bikini! Maybe even fully clothed, unlike in Playboy where we only get to see her naked. Ah, the last ditch effort of a crappy series, bring on the big boobs. Its sad, really. I can't stop laughing at the "writing is improving" comment. I suppose its true, from a certain point of view, they're still speaking in complete sentences, at least.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 2:11 a.m. CST

    I can't believe

    by Hoof Hearted

    how fucking lame some of you people are. Did you watch this show solely for hot chicks? Jesus. Get a girlfriend, you fat ass, couch potato losers or at least rent a porno instead of watching some crappy ass TV show that may show you some cleavage or a hint of thigh. dumbasses.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 3 a.m. CST

    The WB Conspiracy

    by NeoAngelus

    At this point in time last year, Angel was pulling in a 3.2 rating. This year, in it's new Sunday slot, the rating is at 2.6, so my theory for the move is, sure, Angel's ratings are dropping, but not fast enough for the WB brass. So they want to move it to the Wednesday Death Slot. As for how the season is going... I love it. I think it's the best season ever. I honestly don't think everyone is acting out of character. How would you act after surviving getting your throat slit open and being abandoned by your friends? If you believed the man you knew as your father was killed by the man who actually is your father? If your lover unexpectedly killed someone you were going to kill anyway? These are all very natural things... Well, except for the Connor/Cordy shtupping. that fucked my head up. But one thing I've learned with the Whedon-verse is that until a situation is resolved, don't assume what you see is what you get. That and if you didn't actually see the character die, you'll more than likely see them again. With the exception of Oz. Don't think we'll ever see him again.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 7:02 a.m. CST

    I watch Twilight Zone and Angel is falling apart!

    by 1013nomore

    I'm glad BOP is going, going, gone! I do watch the Twilight Zone, but not with great enthusiasm. I still think there is potential for good stories, but most have been middling and predictable. As for Angel, since the casting of the Connor/Steven character, things started to go wrong for me. Such and absence of chemistry! Finally with the Connor-Cordy sex I could no longer avoid seeing the show as mere soap opera rather than the Greek drama it aspired to be in the beginning. If Angel gets canceled, I won't miss it unless there is some house cleaning and plot straightening.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Damn WB has it in for Joss

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    Two moves for one of his shows in a year. And both moves to a Death Slot!? Naw, no grudges there. Angels ratings have been slowly declining the last couple of years, but they actually improved for awhile on Sunday. For my personal tastes the show has become way to melodramatic without even realizing it. It seems like the show has sorta lost its way or purpose. Hell until recently the Hotel gang hasn't even fought any brewing evil since season 2. Connor is a leech on the show. The Karthesier kid has shown no chemistry with anyone yet. Fred is terrible, Gunn hasnt been cool since he was turned white, and Cordy and Angel have zero chemistry. At least Wesley is still awesome. Denisoff and Romanoffs' 'Wilah' are the only reason i still tune in.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 8:45 a.m. CST

    What deathslot?

    by CW_Smark

    If the Twilight Zone and Fastlane continue to exist the same time as Birds of Prey, perhaps the only thing causing that shows demise is the fact that it wasn't good. If any of you have been reading, the West Wing's audience is also slipping. Plus, dispite you people on this forum, West Wing and Angel people do NOT cross over. Trust me. Oh, and I have a feeling the Bachlorette isn't going to get the same ratings because they won't get that male demographic because it's mostly about guys instead of girls.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 8:54 a.m. CST

    ok, WB...

    by Respect The Cock

    I'd better get Ashley Scott in another series as a saucy tough gal with plenty of cleavage...and quick! (Woohoo - Sung Hi Lee tomorrow night! BOOBIES!!!)

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Sunh Hi Lee where!?

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    Where dammit? Where I say. thats a fine little piece of ASS. ASS dammit. Oh shoot, its bleeding over from the Buffy TB now.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this as a good move

    by ArchDiver

    Wednesday is a weak night. Outside of WW and Enterprise, there is nothing approaching quality on. I suspect that there will be a ratings spike. The relaxation of competition between Angel, Alias and The Sopranos will give borderline Angel viewers a better slot to watch it in. Too bad there will not be a Charmed lead-in. As cheesy as it was, they kind of complemented each other. AD out

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 4:54 p.m. CST

    What everyone else said

    by GypsyTRobot

    Yo WB, just give it up, let UPN take Angel and be done with it. Crossovers, crossovers, crossovers. I really want to see Willow's face when she hears about Cordy breaking in Angel's son. America, there is already something to watch on Wednesdays: Bernie Mac.

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 6:34 p.m. CST

    its a shame really

    by Greynite

    I expected so much from this show in the beginning. all the stories and ideas which could have come up from a broken batman and his daughter taking his place. A grim dark world where the heros are thought to be just as crazy by the public as the villains they fight. Aren't they?? Ahhhhh so many possibilities but its been mentioned many times here that the writing SUCKED. There was no chemistry or atmosphere. The attempt at the end of every episode to have a moral and using the constant freak of the week formula with no real solid continuing storyline. Its too bad indeed this was not an easy story to do either. Maybe someone will get a live action batman series to work properly. This I believe was alittle too much of a stretch. More people can relate to and understand the batman series. This series didn't even remain true to the DC universe. Everything about it reminds me of Dark Angel and not a Batman universe. Oh well better luck next time folks sorry. Dinah myer was great though i hope she finds another gig quick. The Greynite

  • Nov. 26, 2002, 6:58 p.m. CST

    If this is the last year for Angel and Buffy joss should just sa

    by warlock411

    And let the networks either show it or not. At least we could get it on DVD.