Nov. 10, 2002, 10:09 p.m. CST
What a great episode. And Christopher is the cold-blooded hacker of the century!
Nov. 10, 2002, 10:10 p.m. CST
by Aphex Twin
Nov. 10, 2002, 10:15 p.m. CST
no clue it was comin''... good news is season cant end in the predictable way i thought it would...bravo!
Nov. 10, 2002, 10:19 p.m. CST
...spotlights how random violence and death is in this world. I was also happy to see Tony call Christopher on his heroin use as it never seemed logical to me that Tony could sniff out so much info and yet miss what an obvious waste of sperm his nephew is. However, he did come in handy this time, especially with the cleaver. The most graphic episode ever? I think so. Now with Ralphie gone, the stage seems to be set for a NJ - NY war. Here's hoping. Also hope that Furio survies the year. Also liked that Tony wakes up at the end, alone, in the dark, and has to face the blinding light of day alone. To Joey Pants -- thanks for the ride on this show, it was awesome!
Nov. 10, 2002, 10:21 p.m. CST
This is why the Sopranos is the best show on TV. Anything can happen, anytime, anywhere. Utilizing the element of unpredictability to the extreme.
Nov. 10, 2002, 10:25 p.m. CST
very good show but i'll take Buffy, 24, Angel, the Shield. It's sad the only way the Soprano's can get a kick ass episode this year is to kill someone. Can't wait to see the whole episode only saw "bits and pieces" of it during Angel commercials.
Nov. 10, 2002, 10:30 p.m. CST
That was the last straw (no pun intended)
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:01 p.m. CST
damn ... That epis ... damn ...
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:02 p.m. CST
Before I get flamed I do realize there's plenty of violence in the Mafia world and of course that's what "The Sopranos" is about at it's very core. That aside, did anyone else find this episode way too graphic? Even for HBO it was extremely graphic to the point that I don't know if I'd want to see anything like that ever again.
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:05 p.m. CST
by Han Ol' Buddy
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:08 p.m. CST
by Han Ol' Buddy
The shot of her sweet ass (twice!) was reason enough for me to watch. Damn, Tony's got a sweet new girlfriend. Yeah, this was a great episode. Uncle Ju' faking he's nuts (or is he not faking?), the return of Svetlana, Janice overreacting once again (twice!), the infamous crank call to Paulie's mom, and finally, someone gets WHACKED! And, it's not Tony in the backseat of his Suburban by a horny girlfriend. Sopranos is good TV. Graphic and vioent? Nah. Yeah, the head and the hands were a little gross, but you saw worse in Casino, Goofellas, and Donnie Brasco. Pie-O-My, we hardly knew you. Later.
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:10 p.m. CST
I think the above post is suffering from TCS, Tarrentino Critic Syndrome. If you think about it, it wasn't *that* graphic. 8 Heads and a Dufflebag showed decapitated heads and you never *saw* Christopher actually chop the guy. And if you are referring to Valentina ... well ... leave that alone. Here's to a beautiful raven goddess willing to remove her clothing for the sake of art : )
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:17 p.m. CST
What an episode, amazing stuff! Looks like next episode it may be Paulie! Or Johnny Sack? The size of the person getting beat up in the ghetto looked a bit like Tony too.. man oh man, what a wait this week is gonna be! I was expecting when Tony was taking out the bowling ball bag for a dildo or some other sex toy to fall to the ground, that would have been fucking hilarious. That scene with Ralphie on the phone talking to Paulie's mom was so funny, classic stuff. The season had some lulls in the first half but its been on the up and up since and I can't wait for the last few.
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:27 p.m. CST
I figured it was a long time coming, but I always thought 'ol Ralphie would always be one step ahead....he was one of my favorite characters. They threw us a very nice curve tonight...making Ralphie come to terms with all the evil he had done in his life. Normally you'd think he'd be some kinda changed man after the way he broke down and what not, give him a little softer edge, but Mr. Chase got us tonight, I kid you not. When I saw him take that last gasp and fall limp, I was like...get outta here..they can't be killing off Ralph....but they got me tonight...man, i can't even stop talking about it....
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:56 p.m. CST
Can somebody identify what Christopher and Tony were watching at Ralphie's? Also, anybody think Michael Imperioli has a shot at an Emmy this year? -SS
Nov. 10, 2002, 11:58 p.m. CST
Sopranos doesn't start out here for another 4 minutes, thanks for the Spoiler alert fuck
Nov. 11, 2002, 12:18 a.m. CST
by lord akira
dumbass. it says: TALK ABOUT THE NEW SOPRANOS HERE. what the hell do you think that means. yep, ralph's death was real graphic, but it was still awesome. reminscint of gandolfini's scene w/patricia arqutte in True Romance(the uncut version). awesome episode. 24 and sopranos; does television get any better than this?
Nov. 11, 2002, 12:21 a.m. CST
by Cutter's Way
Phew... I was worried for a second. Mark my words, that goat is gonna be a major player next season, unless he gets whacked in one of the next couple episodes.
Nov. 11, 2002, 12:35 a.m. CST
Hi, gang. Notch here. It seems once every season, we're gonna have this whole "Oh my god, it's SO VIOLENT!". Like so many high-profile killers (O.J. Simpson, Manson, Claus Von Bulow), it seems that in the hype, media, and attention, people forget the core of what the persons or events are about. We all love the Sopranos, we love all the characters. We laugh at them, we can quote them verbatim, etc. But we should remember, their business is killing. (Yes, it's killing. Without that constant threat of being "whacked," such groups would become your run-of-the-mill pyramid scheme/two-bit scammer club). I mean, to me, let's not humanize these characters too much. I liked Ralphie. He liked movies, he played stupid Howard Stern/Crank Yanker-type crank calls, but he was a brutal murderer! Yes, he kills people. Remember the mental midgets who think O.J. Simpson must have been innocent because he won a Heisman? Because he was funny in the "Naked Gun" movies? Because he was so "charming." Sure, I give him those accomplishments, but in the end, he's a vicious, violent narcissist who carved up two human beings and left their bodies strewn outside a home where his kids slept. (Sorry about the rant, I just the O.J. story on E! True Hollywood Story, followed it up with my weekly dose of "Sopranos") Notch out!
Nov. 11, 2002, 12:39 a.m. CST
by Han Ol' Buddy
I don't know if I came across the wrong way, but I didn't think the episode was that violent. In fact, I always wanted my last shot of Ralphie to be his decapitated head being placed in a bowling bag. I did not think the episode was too violent either. You see more gore in an ER episode. Also, Valentina is a beautiful addition to the cast. I broke my rewind button on my VCR during her sex scene last weekend. And, I'm also kidding. She does have a sweet, sweet ass though. Anyways. Take it all with a grain of salt y'all. Later.
Nov. 11, 2002, 2:24 a.m. CST
by Trader Groucho
I've been watching the Sopranos and Six Feet Under this year, and I've been liking the morticians much more than the mobsters. Why don't we have the weekly talkback & spoilers about SFU??? -- Trader Groucho
Nov. 11, 2002, 4:22 a.m. CST
Dude was quoting Scarface ya cultureless piece of refuse
Nov. 11, 2002, 8:49 a.m. CST
Yes, of course Ralphie was a piece of shit. But his character finally came full circle. He showed remorse, he seemed ready to accept some responsibility. So his death should have been not too hard to count on. It's too bad, Pantoliano is great in anything he's in. But of course the shit is really going to hit the fan when Tony finds out that Paulie set the fire at the stables. At least, that's my guess anyway. The thing about Ralphie's death scene that stands out to me is how it shows Tony's character flaws. His violent understreak and his inability to cope with loss will be his ultimate undoing. They've said only 5 seasons, well it would have to end with his death. I also found it very interesting that there was no background music during the greater part of the show, and especially none as soon as Tony entered Ralphie's house. It set up a creepy mood by its very silence. Well it was good to see Baccala back on the show I hope he survives. Same with Furio, it would be a shame if he got whacked. I think that the Furio/Carmela flirtation is the only storyline that's carried over from week to week. Sopranos hasn't been all that great this year for one reason. The feds bust Adriana, they've pushed on her like twice. AJ gets a girlfriend, she's seen once though she was mentioned last night, but he wonders why his dad isn't Don Corleone. Meadow threatens to go to Europe, then finally heads back to class as if nothing happened and all parental rifts have been repaired. Silvio starts acting erratic, disobeying Tony, but that hasn't returned. But at least finally Tony picks up on Christopher's heroin use. Maybe he'll have to think twice about giving him the reigns. Well by this season's end, I predict at least two more corpses. Choose from this list: Paulie, Furio, Adriana, Johnny Sack, Baccala, Patsy, one of Ralphie's guys.
Nov. 11, 2002, 11:17 a.m. CST
I read an interview with Pantoliano and he said he was going to be out for a couple of episodes (supposingly filming Daredevil) and would be back for the last couple of episodes, so the whacking was something I never expected. He bullshitted us good
Nov. 11, 2002, 9:02 p.m. CST
This person puts the 007 name to shame. Too violent? Did your mommy have to come and comfort you? The was the best episode of the season, and one of the best in a long time. It always seems like they pick it up when the season is 4 to 5 weeks left.
Nov. 11, 2002, 10:31 p.m. CST
I'm still in shock over the death of one Ralph Cifaretto. Between this and the belt-whipping of Assemblyman Zellman, we're seeing Tony for the ruthless killer he can be. I think this may be Chase's way of slapping some sense into fans who "love" Tony, partly because he never really gets his hands dirty. Newsflash: T's hands are dirty now. Plus, he has gone against the so-called code of honor he has cited from time to time. Ralph was absolutely correct: Pie-Oh-My had become a financial drain, and while brutal, this was a great way out for the two of them. Plus, Tony had never asked where the money had come from before. Tony's crumbling, and his forthcoming visits to Melfi should be interesting. P.S. Joe Pantoliano for an Emmy if there's any justice in this world.
Nov. 11, 2002, 11:08 p.m. CST
You're an idiot buddy.
Nov. 12, 2002, 9:20 a.m. CST
by gee ran
What's with this harping on James Gandolfini's weight? You guys mean to tell me you wouldn't be afraid of a guy the size of Tony Soprano??? Are you kidding me? And you know, it's not just his physical size that is imposing, it is the weight of who and what he is that makes him terrifying. If I had someone like him coming after me, I would blowing bricks out my ass.
And furthermore, women don't necessarily find him attractive because of anything physical. Again it is the force of his personality, the power that he wields, that makes women want him.
Nov. 12, 2002, 10:03 a.m. CST
all friggin season long i've been watching crap episodes only to be lead into a laughing frenzy at that point at the end of the sopranos when the best show on hbo comes on- curb your enthusiasm, i would be so disappointed in the pile of junk that i just watched, but would be forgotten by just watching curb! now this show did rock but will theykeep it up, i have serious doubts, next weeks preview looked great but you know what? they all did! please please please keep it going so i can enjoy 2 full hours of sopranos, curb, and mind, followed by a boring monday night just itching for 24!!! 24 best show ever!!!
Nov. 12, 2002, 11 a.m. CST
hands down on tv. no doubt i'll miss ralphie
Nov. 12, 2002, 1:03 p.m. CST
I'll have to go back and watch this episode again (no complaints there), but i think the "labored breathing" you're referring to is actually Tony's way of letting people know he's dead serious about whatever he's talking about. I think we've seen it in past episodes. So, it's part of his character (and not to show he's obese). "Although Tony needs to get his flabby ass back in the basement to lift again. Yah, if he were to slip and fall, it would be like a flabberlanche."
Nov. 12, 2002, 1:23 p.m. CST
As big of a piece of shit as he was, Ralphie was BY FAR the most entertaining character the Soprano's has had (along with Ritchie Apriel). His character is definitely will be missed. This goes to show you that as likeable as Tony can be sometimes, he still is a scumbag and is willing to kill at the drop of a hat. Whenever Ralphie brought up his kid's problems, Tony immediately changed the subject to "Pie O My". That shows how selfish Tony can be. I totally DISagree with everyone saying that this season is awful, boring...etc. I feel as if every episode has more tension then the previous one. The volcano is rumbling and when it erupts....look out. My prediction for the rest of the season (possibly next) Chris gets smacked up and maybe talks a little too much. DEAD. Furio tries to wack Tony to get to Carm. He'll fail and wind up DEAD. Paulie defects to the NY crew with Johnny Sac. Both of them DEAD in the NJ/NY war. And finally, there is no other way for the show to come to an end without Tony dying. He's done too much fucked up stuff to get off scot free. He'll pay with his life. It all catches up to you in the end.
Nov. 12, 2002, 4:54 p.m. CST
Deftone: I agree with most of what you mentioned (by the way, it was one of the best threads in this post). What was most true about your post is that Tony can be a very likeable guy. Lots of times, I find myself forgetting "who" he "really" is. Then, Tony snaps at Melfi while in session. The look on his face is filled with rage. Or Tony beats a guy with a belt because this guy is dating a woman Tony used to %$#@! What caused Tony to go off and do that? A freakin' song that meant something to him. This all reminds me of who Tony really is and what he is capable of. You don't become a boss of a Mafia Family by being a good citizen. Deftone, you are soooo correct in mentioning that Tony is selfish! And No, Ralph did not destroy "Pie O My." Someone else did. And yet, Tony snapped and killed one of his Captains. Oh boy! I totally disagree with all the people who have posted here who mentioned that this season is boring. What?! Are you kidding me? Each episode is building up to something major. For the first few episodes this season, it was a slow build up, but entertaining none-the-less. If the Sopranos featured someone getting whacked every episode, wouldn't we become insensitive to it? Would we have the same shocked reaction to Ralphie getting whacked if the show was packed with violence every week? Probably not. I like the build up and I like the fact that it took this long for something big to happen. Now Ralphie's death is a shock to all of us and we are sitting here chatting about it today. And Deftone, all of your predictions are dead on! I think you are right on all accounts! Especially your insight into Tony's death. "The handwriting was on the wall" for me when Carmella took money from Tony's stash so that she can invest in several different places. She wants to be sure, if Tony were to die because of his chosen profession, Carmella and the children will have some money stashed away for their well-being. Oh, and one more thing, for those of you in this post who went off on some tangent about Tony's weight - here's a question. If you met someone like Tony in an alley, would you be so comfortable to talk about his weight to his face? I think his weight only adds to the kind of man Tony really is. He is a mob boss. He maims and kills people. He certainly looks like the kind of guy who can handle himself well... weight problem or not. And the ladies don't sleep with him because he's a handsome chap. They sleep with him because they can sense his power. And he has MONEY. Remember, Dennis Rodman married Carmen Electra. Do you think she would even give him the time of day if he wasn't so rich and famous?
Nov. 12, 2002, 6:47 p.m. CST
I swear she has the whiniest most annoying voice i've ever heard. Sometimes when she's complaining about something I have to mute because I literally cannot stand her nasally twang accent. No wonder Tony wants to bang everything that moves.
Nov. 12, 2002, 8:11 p.m. CST
by Henry Fool
As far as J. Pants. commentary about his character returning for the last few episodes, let us not forget "The Sopranos" has a history of showing us characters in flashbacks. The scenes with Jackie Aprille Sr. and Big Pussy in season three spring to mind. I would love to see Tony comtemplating Ralphy's death with a scene involving him and the old don. Ralph was a cousin to the no-good Aprille family. Isn't it funny how the Aprille's always seem to end up the you love to hate them roles? Ritchi Apprille was the most detestable character the show had seen until they introduced his cousin Ralphie. Adrianna is connected to the Apprille's and is now working as a mole even though she totally could have gotten out of trouble by simply saying "NO!" to those Feds and hiring a lawyer. Boss Aprille was a great don but dies of cancer.
Nov. 12, 2002, 10:11 p.m. CST
Yes it rocked, yes it was the best of an otherwise slow season. But is Ralph really dead? Or was it a dream? The whole "bing" segmant was surreal and where did Christopher go?
Nov. 13, 2002, 1:28 a.m. CST
to the poster earlier who said adriana just had to tell the feds 'no' and hire herself a lawyer to get out of her mess... you're a moron. im sure that as soon as the family found out about her fed troubles, they would simply support her in fighting the drug charges in court, when simply whacking her would just about decrease any chances she spills guts to the authorites to zero. yeah right. adriana is caught in the exact same position as puss, one with basically no winning options. go along with the feds, put away some gangsters and get yourself dismembered later on. look to said gangsters for help, find yourself 'mysteriously disappeared' pretty quickly. might as well buy your time and string the feds along as long as possible, because once anyone finds out you're under federal survelliance, lawyer or not, you're gone.