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Miami Mofo reviews the Digital Projection of THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS EXTENDED EDITION!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... I can't even imagine the joy of seeing this edit projected perfectly in TI's DLP cinema wonders. When oh when will Austin finally get a theater that has a dedicated DLP projector. The next evolution projectors in this format are nearly done I hear, which will be projecting at DOUBLE the current resolution, which I can't even imagine. It would be... beyond beautiful. Here ya go....

Hi Harry!

    Miami Mofo here to say that I have seen (and heard) the future!  I am refering, of course, to last evening's screening of the digitally projected, special extended version of 'The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring.'

    Last Thursday, I received an e-mail from AOL/Moviefone informing me that I had been chosen to attend the special screening.  As excitied as I was to receive this news, my enthusiasm was somewhat tempered by the fact that I had a 240 mile, 3 1/2 hour drive from Miami to Orlando if I wanted to see it.  Seven hours of driving (plus $50 in gas and tolls) to watch something on the big screen that I'll be able to watch seven days later at home did sound kind of extreme.  Fortunately however, I noticed the words "digitally projected" on the invite which piqued my curiousity even further, which eventually led to my deciding to go.  So yesterday at 1:15PM, ignoring the voice in my head that said, "Fly, you fool," I loaded the LotR:FotR soundtrack into my car's cd changer, and hit the road for the drive to the AMC Pleasure Island theatres in Lake Buena Vista, Fl.

    Three and a half hours later I found myself in 'Downtown Disney' (sigh ... you just can't escape the Mouse when traveling to Central Florida), presenting my pass, and receiving in return, entrance to the theatre AND a coupon for a free popcorn and a drink courtesy of DLP Cinema/Texas Instruments (see scan).  Unfortunately, the concessionaire didn't have a clue when I asked for a 'proper 1420,' so I had to settle for a coke instead.  I then proceeded to theatre 19 (of 24) and was delighted to find a center seat, four rows up in the stadium seating section, so that my eyes were center screen, both horizontally and vertically.  As I sat down, I couldn't help but wonder how much better could the digital projection viewing experience possibly be when compared to the last time I saw LotR:FotR on the big screen.  That was back on March 29th, when The Two Towers preview was added to the final final reel of what turned out to be a perfect print.  Fifteen minutes later when the lights dimmed, I would have my answer.

    The screening began, appropriately enough, with the current T2T trailer, and although I was immedately struck by how incredible the visual quality was, it was the audio that blew me away!  From the moment that Sir Ian says, "I return now at the turn of the tide," the timbre and resonance of his voice, coming through the theatre speakers, made me realize just how special this presentation was going to be.  Two minutes later, with my heart still racing, the special extended version began.

    I'm not going to go into the added and extended scenes -- others before me have done that quite nicely, thank you, except to say that they were a delight to watch.  I was worried that these scenes might decrease my appreciation of the original release because of feeling cheated by the fact that said scenes were not in the original, but I'm happy to report that this was not the case -- with the sole exception of Lothlorien.  I'm afraid New Line dropped the ball when they forced PJ to cut that scene.  The other added/extended scenes were not as critical, but definitely enhanced the Fellowship experience.  But what REALLY enhanced the experience, was digital projection.  Everything was crystal clear in perfect focus (and will remain so -- no print degradation), with perfect sound -- every word of dialogue, every note of the soundtrack, every sound effect from the wind gently whistling through the trees to the monstrous Balrog, all heard in perfect clarity.  I can still hear the ring hit the floor when Bilbo drops it even as I type this.  The experience was, in a word, perfect, and well worth the trip, even though I didn't return home until 1:15AM.

Miami Mofo

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  • Nov. 6, 2002, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Moons over my Hammy

    by E Albert Bansom

    Damn, I'm hungry. What's this Jackass talking about, he saw Fellowship on the big screen digitally? Ahh, screw him. Hey who else could go for some Denny's right about now?

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 9:34 a.m. CST

    about DLP....

    by peking-duck

    i saw SW: AOTC there opening night and can i just say, it was FREAKING AMAZING! it was so visually stunning that i almost don't want to see flicks in the theatre anymore unless its DLP, especially since i live about 20 minutes away. for those that don't know what DLP looks like...imagine watching a DVD on the big screen with amazing sound that shakes your core. i recommended it to some friends and they totally agreed with me. the best is that it doesn't lose quality after a few runs like the reel-reel format. i urge you all to check it out if you can. i only hope they show Harry Potter in DLP.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by kall99

    ...sucked! Bad, bad movie. "Follow your nose, Frodo"...Fuck you Toucan Sam. The book was written for children and it's painfully evident. You may've liked this shit as children, but it's time to wake up and see how crappy it all is.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:08 a.m. CST

    "240 mile, 3 1/2 hour drive from Miami to Orlando..."

    by redtom

    3.5 hrs to do 240 miles?? oh for a highway to be be built where i live (ireland) where it takes me 4 hrs to go 150 miles...

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Why's this guy spooging about the sound? We've had digital soun

    by minderbinder

    And will the rest of us be able to see this? I'd kill to see FotR again on the big screen before TTT comes out.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Digital @ AMC24

    by sezzy_boy

    I saw Tarzan digitally projected in that exact same theatre 3 years ago. I think it was the first film to show there and I've got to agree - I can't wait until digital projection is the norm. It really enhances the viewing experience!

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Hey hey, Miami!

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Your name in lights! Well done sir! Nice to see prominent TailEnders on the front page.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Here's the deal with DLP and sound

    by Slubber

    Digital soundtracks are much better on a DLP projector since everything from the moving image to the soundtrack are contained as a data file. It's works like an MP3 file, you can play it over and over till the cows come home and it will be the same quality the last play as it was the first. On the other hand, film is ran into the projector and over time, the soundtrack (found on the edges) starts to break down.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Sorry slubber, they've had DIGITAL soundtracks (either from the

    by minderbinder

    I think the original Jurassic Park was the first with a digial soundtrack, the format is called DTS. Yep, that's a data file. "Like an MP3". And you can play it over and over with no audio degradation.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 11:23 a.m. CST

    re digital minderbinder, Jurassic Park was a late arrival for di

    by LiquidNitrate

    If you scan through old back issues of Premiere you'll see that Kodak's outposts in NY and LA were experimenting with the digital sound format in the late 80's, and in 1990 "Days of Thunder" had a limited digital-sound release. It was all in attempt to extend the capabilities begun with Lucas' THX in 1983 and Dolby's SR in 1987. Kodak's sound department failed to take off and was shuttered as an egregious expense. However, in 1992 Dolby Digital 5.1 debuted (example: Orlando's AMC Pleasure Island played "Aladdin" for over a year in that format (Dolby Digital in THX))....... After Universal played around with Dolby Digital, Spielberg decided to support DTS instead, so it arrived with JP in 1993, but it wasn't the latest bloomer - that was Sony's SDDS digital sound which was delayed multiple times, initially planned for 93 (Last Action Hero and Cliffhanger) but not really going nationwide til 1995...... AMC Pleasure Island has been presenting DLP movies for over 3 years now, and their DLP auditorium is tweaked to maximum THX glory, so you're getting a very bright image on a clean screen with superb acoustics and a killer envelopment. Their "House #19" is one of the best AMC screening rooms in the country. DLPs are usually very good, but I've experienced several that were mediocre (various exhibitors, including LA's AMC) compared to Pleasure Island. For whatever reason that room seems to be a showcase.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 11:25 a.m. CST

    DLP is different, not better

    by jazzuk

    So let's see - if I go out and buy a digital still camera, I can now choose from models with > 4 million pixels. If I were to choose one with just barely more than 1 million I would be called a fool and laughed at most loudly. Yet 1.3 million is the total number of pixels that even cinema DLP systems offer (the "4 million" that is sometimes quoted refers to the total count of pixels on each of the three 1.3 million pixel DMD's - 1 for each of red, green and blue. But there are only 1.3 million actual picture cells). Heck, DLP isn't even as good as HDTV when it comes to resolution (1280x1024 vs 1920x1080) and is used on screens many, MANY times the size! Where DLP does have an advantage is in colour reproduction - DLP has a theoretical 35 TRILLion possible colours. It's a shame that the human eye is unable to distinguish between more than 16 MILLion of these, but hey, who cares about biological facts when marketting blurb can be so impressive, eh? 35 trillion is an eight times greater colour range than film, which can only manage a paltry 4 TRILLion (which is less than 300,000 times MORE than you or I can distinguish between, instead of the > 2,000,000 times more of DLP. See how much more we are missing?). Ironically, given it's abilities for producing this vast range of colour, DLP really shines [sic] when producing no colour at all. Blacks appear deeper, but only so long as the material is 100% digital from shooting through to projection. As long as you want solid blacks and trillions of unseeable colours, perhaps it is worth giving up the immense additional (and, unlike the colours, noticeable) resolution and depth that film provides. But of course, the benefits of digital projection aren't primarily FOR the viewer in the first place - no, it's about integrating the film production, distribution and presentation chain (integrated supply chain is the new Holy Grail of big business) so that the studios can exercise greater control over what appears in our multiplexes. Unfortunately, digital projection _is_ qualitatively DIFFERENT to film, and of course, it's new and has serious backing with an interest in seeing it adopted, so any DLP projection system is bound to have been installed to the highest possible standard, where-as the film system it sits alongside is probably well dated and installed more-or-less as a commodity item, so comparitively and subjectively DLP will APPEAR better. But all things being equal, it isn't and cannot be. </rant>

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Digital projection is less than film.

    by matt_ethec

    Its just a simple matter of resolution. DLP is a grid while film is a, well, film. You can measure film resolution (sort of), at 2K. Whell that's a long shot over the Less than HD rez of Digital Projection. It just looks better because it doesn't degrade. That may be why its the future of cinema, but currently is not the present. Oh, and since we're trying to remember the first digital Soundtrack, I'll put my horse in the race: Dick Tracy.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Way to go, ya Mofo!

    by Pallando Blue

    And great report, ya lucky dog! :~)

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by pandamaster83

    "Fly you fool!" "A proper 1420" AhahahahahahahHA!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Digital vs Analog

    by Hawq

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Digital vs Analog

    by Hawq

    Just like everything else in the high-tech world, digital projection resolution might not be as good as film at the beginning of its life, but eventually it will become better. There must be something going on in the DLP projectors that blends the pixels, or you'd be seeing a bunch of 1/2" squares on the screen. And who cares about the specs anyway... all that matters is how good it looks and sounds to human eyes and ears. The new super-audio CD's are supposed to sound even better than most virgin of vinyl records... and they will remain that way without degradation.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:16 p.m. CST

    If film is scanned into a computer and projected digitally, it w

    by CoolDan989

    If a movie is MADE and projected digitally however, like Attack of the Clones, there's a whole different story. When I saw Attack of the Clones projected digitally, I was completley blown away. Some of the shots looked so incredible and felt and sounded so real I felt like I was in the movie. Ironically, the IMAX prints of the movie are now out for the rest of us who want to experience it the only way they know how, but for me, film grain will always intrude in an IMAX presentation and subtly remind me I'm still watching a movie. With digital projection, however, that's not an issue. It's true I could see pixels on the burned-in subtitles and the "All Audiences" disclaimers on the trailers, but those were the only instances. Film has so much more imperfections more serious and numerous than that I could list them all day. And I don't care what those dorky, freakishly critical overanalysts say who whine about "true blacks" and crap (You listening, Ebert?), digital filming and projection is still a huge step forward for cinema, even if some filmmakers refuse to admit it (Now are YOU listening, Spielberg?).

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:53 p.m. CST

    And the rest of us have to wait six days....

    by daughter of time

    Again, congratulations and lots of envy, Miami! ***Elanor, yes, it's a pity certain posters do not yet understand that LOTR is not only an adult book, it's one of the most FULLY adult books I know. Given how eloquent many of us have already been on the subject, there's no point in trying to convince those who are wilfully childish themselves (demonstrating this by hanging around talkbacks for films they claim to disdain; have they nothing better to do?), but I will add: the collective ADULT experience of the Tailenders is something you can only envy. We bring to LOTR a wealth of education, travel, independence, literacy and cultural experience; we have experienced adult love - and loss; some of us have raised or are raising children; some of us are grandparents, and some are students, mature enough to know a work of genius when we encounter it. Dismiss our collective wisdom, and you only display your own immaturity.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 5:06 p.m. CST


    by BG are the man! Brilliant review! I also saw your review over at TORN. Xo obviously recognised your talent because he gave you top billing with your own article, while everybody else's reviews were all lumped together under one heading. Top-notch journalism.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Maxivision48 is SUPERIOR to Digital -- and your brain knows the

    by Ted Striker

    I'm sure most of you know, but film is "seen" by the brain differently than a video image. True statement. MaxiVision48 is film, but shot in 48 frames per second, providing a clearer picture, ESPECIALLY during action scenes... It's also cheaper to install than Digital Projectors. And I ask this: Why not shoot a movie with Digital Cameras at 48 frames per second (it IS a better picture) and then convert to Maxivision48? Anyway... read all about it:

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 6:31 p.m. CST

    TTT Visual Companion

    by daughter of time

    Call me a Tolkien crack whore, but I picked it up on my lunch hour at Barnes and Noble, even though they offered no discount, and even though I had CANCELLED my amazon order because Borders IS going to offer a discount (but, it turned out, not until Friday). And this one was in my hand. And, basically, it contains ALL the photos that BG provided the paths for the other day.... Not to mention that four-page fold-out of Helm's Deep. Well, I suspect I will get my money's worth in the next few days, though I was hoping for just a bit more spoilage. I won't have a chance to read and linger before tonight, but I DID notice some choice quotes from the book used in such a way that I presume they HAVE become dialogue in the film. This makes me very happy.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 6:38 p.m. CST

    masses and hermits

    by raker

    Six more stinking days and I struggle to figure out if I am so different from the masses after this last election. Here is a cool story for you dot. I compete in the masochistic sport of adventure racing / ultra running. We were competing up in the rocky mountains and had gone with out sleep for an extended time. There we all were trucking along above tree line when my teammate started to get excited. He pointed down towards tree line and spotted a convenience store. Out front you could see a pop machine. Well it was worth detouring and as a collective team we all turned off the course and dropped down some 2,000

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the report

    by Shards of Narsil

    Miami. Now aren't you glad you decided to go? Besides the soundtrack, what was your drivin' music? Shit oh dear, I'm ever so glad to hear that Lothlorien is much better realized when we get to see the whole thing.***Bjarki, I'm on the list for the book, with two or three Tailenders before me (but I don't remember which ones).

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:04 p.m. CST

    yeah but was this tacked on at the end?

    by Pulzar711 HEE! Seriously, go there, it will disturb you all. In a good way. And it is Tolkien-related!

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 4:44 a.m. CST


    by Xyzan

    Talkback already hosed. Congratulations miami! You're famous! just ignore the trolls, they don't understand that seeing a great film in a great way is ultimatly going to be a better experiance. DoT, i think i confused a lot of attendants in the bookshop yesterday. i was just standing by the stand opening the book up in random places, but i had to resist buying it in the end. It all looks sooo good, i don't want to have to wait. Why can't they swap the release dates of Lotr and harry potter round, then we get the film sooner, and hp will get the christmas number one slot it wants! Everyone'll be happy.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Further report on Visual Companion

    by daughter of time

    The introduction by Viggo Mortensen is the only text in the book worth reading. The rest is, well, filler between the photos by a hack writer. Tenses are awkwardly mixed, and there is no feel for the language whatsoever, just a sense of paragraphs written to order, with little flow between paragraphs and none between the segments. Yes, I know, we come for the pictures.... But read the intro, even if you don't buy the book.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 12:39 p.m. CST

    DeepDiscountDVD has SHIPPED!

    by Pallando Blue

    Actually, the e-mail I just got today says it shipped Tuesday! I went the free-shipping route, and so have no tracking number (USPS) or clue as to when it'll arrive. BUT, with the 1st DVD in August DeepDiscount NEVER sent me an "order shipped" message (which had me a nervous wreck) and then the package arrived a day before the release date! Sooooo.... who knows, dear friends? Perhaps tomorrow? Perhaps Saturday? (Hope not, it's shipping to my office) Perhaps Monday...? *** Thanks for the report, D.O.T. Being a fellow whore [you're welcome! ;) ]I'm sure I'll be getting my own copies of ALL the major tie-in pubs, no matter what the literary merit, just like last year. Have to wait at least til next payday, though; but then I'm wallowing. I like hearing Viggo wrote that intro, and really look forward to reading it; still disappointed he didn't sit in for the DVD commentary track. Hope he makes it into the next 2, seeing as his character has one of the largest arcs in PJ's films. *** I propose we camp out here, TE-ers. Seems the Moriarty review is still catching the troll-bait; plus, that one's a much longer article to scroll down through just to find out the TB's still hosed. And, hell, it's a Tailender's headline. Why let Mori steal Mofo's thunder? :)

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 1:04 p.m. CST

    [in my oft-imitated never-duplicated that-diminutive-woman-from-

    by Pallando Blue

    "This house... is unhosed."

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 3:53 p.m. CST

    More Goodies

    by daughter of time

    On the way back from the dentist (yes, it's a madcap life I lead), I picked up a copy of Entertainment Weekly, which has a feature on TTT AND a one-page review of the SEV (which concurred that after we see it, the original will just gather dust on the shelf). ***By the way, should we make anything of the fact that there is no "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit" on the soundtrack? I do so want that scene.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by raker

    Five more days. No, no, no let me see here it will be five days and twenty four hours in a day and then there is 3 more hours until I am off work next Tuesday

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 6:02 p.m. CST

    south park

    by raker

    Elanor, Speaking of South Park. Before they started out, the authors did a show on Jesus vs. Santa Claus where they end up fighting each other over Xmas. One of the funniest shows I had ever seen but not likely to ever get out. You can see a glimmer of it at the beginning of South Park where Santa is twirling Jesus or visa versa on a billboard. At least it was like that a few years ago. Heck I didn

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Speaking of South Park

    by daughter of time

    Has anyone else here had a chance to see "Bowling for Columbine"? The brief "history of America" by the South Park creators was one of the funniest things in an hysterically funny (and equally sobering) movie. I could see I have been missing something, and a LOTR "South Park" episode looks like a good place to start.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 8:31 p.m. CST


    by daughter of time

    I agree we should stick with this talkback, so I'll compliment you here for your response to Tall Boy on the other talkback. A very nice summation.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Hullo MM + TailEnders!

    by Pippin's Diamond

    I dropped by AICN for a quick look at the headlines, which is what I do now once in a while to stay informed, and lo and behold! I read MIAMI MOFO on the front page! I just *had* to post. Fine report, sir, I must say. I don't know if anybody will still read this or if anybody (tailenders!) remembers me, but I'm still alive and quite excited about the special edition DVD... Greetings, all. I miss you. :(

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 10:23 p.m. CST


    by BG

    Hello, hello! Welcome back. How have things been? I hope you managed to get rid of your stalker. So, how did you like PJ's FOTR? I believe Sir Mordred and Morpheus are the only TE's that haven't liked the movie. Good to see one of the old TE's back.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Technically, Audio on Digital Cinema IS Better

    by Ktak

    Sorry to have to contradict you minderbinder, but the digital audio accompanying digitally projected movies like AOTC and LOTR actually are superior to conventional digital movie sound for a number of reasons. First, the one limitation of all film-based formats in regards to digital sound is the amount of real estate that's available for the digital soundtrack information on a piece of film. In the case of Dolby Digital and SDDS, the digital information has to fit in the the narrow space either next to (SDDS) or between (Dolby Digital) the sprockets on one side of the film strip. To make this system work, the audio is highly "compressed" via encoding schemes like AC-3. For DTS films, the audio is recorded on CD-ROMs that are synchronized to the film via a control track. Digitally projected films do not have this limitation. The format allows for up to 8-channels of uncompressed, 24-bit audio which is just flat out superior to anything that can be reproduced using the AC-3, SDDS or DTS compression schemes. It's like comparing an MP3 recording to a CD or a CD to an SACD. Combine this fact with the super-tweaked sound system mentioned above, and it is not only possible, but probable that LOTR's digital presentation sounded better than previous versions. In fact, I would be surprising if it didn't sound better. In absolute terms, Dolby Digital, SDDS and DTS have never been "audiophile" quality. They were just the best solutions available at the time. Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to clear this up.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 10:41 a.m. CST

    ">ahem< There once was an Orc from Nantuck-- [double-take] WHO'S

    by Pallando Blue

    Heya heya heya HEY if ain't the Tookess back in town! Certainly do hope all's well with you and yours etc. etc., and that you can stay and hang about regular-like again! You've indeed been missed. Plus, our TE ranks have this year swelled with some swell new company, you'll dig em all. Oddly or not, it's the female quotient that appears to have exploded around here--the girl talk we've had to endure, good grief... Newer folx who may not know, Miss Diamond be one o da Original Tail Enders from back in dem CASTING dayz, so give her da mad props, yo yo yo "You down wit O.T.E.?" YEAH YOU KNOW ME "You down wit O.T.E.?" YEAH YOU KNOW ME ;) (...I am SO not skizilled.) *** If I remember right, P's D did give a FOTR review way back last December, which was mixed/positive. Loved a whole lot of it, but there were some things that irked her to distraction. That right? Or rather, that STILL right? Or should we ask again after the SEV? *** Off-topic-ly, P's D: you know, I haven't heard word two about Woo's TMNT project(s?) since way back at word one. You?

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 11:18 a.m. CST

    not finished

    by raker

    There was article in the Rocky Mountain News (sh_tty paper so I don't know if it be true) this morning saying that T2T wasn't finished and that PJ would have to bust a gut to finish by the 18th. I hope PJ doesn't rush it just to put it out there, but that wouldn't be very PJ like.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I'd be VERY surprised if it hasn't been finished for a couple we

    by Pallando Blue

    That is, if they're doing the same around-the-world-release on the same day like they did with Fellowship, and I haven't heard any word to the contrary yet. The logistics of that alone take a couple of months. Last year they had to have by mid-/late October a locked master ready for translating, subtitling, casting for dubbing voices, recording all of the international voice-dubs, copying a loooong movie many thousands of times (and that's a lot of celluloid, and that don't rattle off the Xerox too quick!), and then the physical worldwide distribtution of all of the copies. That there takes some time. Who knows, maybe they've learned some things and streamlined the process, but still. I read the "T2T is coming down to the wire" story earlier in the week, the one that's being repeated a bunch all over (like by imdb just today). Thing is, the original quotes by Osbourne aren't really given a dated context, not even a "Yesterday, LOTR producer admitted..." So, in my gut I think this is a case of the Internet feeding itself "news." I don't doubt that they DID go down to the wire, but to do all that release-related work in ONE month? Well... okay maaaaybe it's possible I suppose. I just kinda doubt it. Anyway, what it would really mean is a delay for the non-English-speaking nations. Good God don't tell the Norwegians! That whole nation would go up in flames with the rioting!

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Lucky Mofo

    by Runelord


  • Nov. 8, 2002, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by raker

    I have a picture from TORN that came out at around the beginning of the year. It was a picture from FOTR where Aragorn is embracing Boromir as he lay dying. I think it must have been out of a magazine or a brochure. You can see part of a upc code on the left side and it says For your consideration Best Picture and quotes Kenneth Turan from the LA Times. I consider it the best picture I have of Lord of the Rings. It displays more grit than all of Star Wars combined in that one picture. Sadly the damn thing is of poor quality. I was wondering where I could find a better quality photo of it and also is it possible to take a snapshot from the movie and have it be of the quality that I could go to a photo or print shop and turned into a poster? So far I haven

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Dying Boromir

    by daughter of time

    Raker, that photo came from a series of ads in Variety magazine as part of FOTR's Oscar campaign. Fortunately, I work near enough a good newsstand that I was able to get a copy of the exquisite pull-out brochure that was tucked into some editions, including some of the most beautiful, crystal-clear photos of the props I have ever seen. The shot of Boromir's shield and horn propped against a tree was a vision to behold. I do hope they'll do the same thing next year.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks DOT

    by raker

    That is the one! Now if only they would make a poster of it. Then I would piss off my wife and throw it up on a wall where all could view it.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by raker

    Thanks Pallando, I think you are correct about the movie being done. The article I saw also quoted Osbourne and brought up the fact that PJ was late because of his commitments to all of the awards the Fellowship received. Old news being brought up again mabye?

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 2:18 p.m. CST

    It's here!!

    by Francie

    I went home at lunch only to find my FOTR SE waiting for me. Drat work! I have to wait until tonight to watch it. argh!!!

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 2:34 p.m. CST

    The Sewers of Osgiliath?

    by daughter of time

    Now I AM upset! I just looked at the TOPPS cards (whatever they are) spoilers on TORN. Faramir looks on while Frodo struggles with the Ring? Okay, maybe an interpretation. But - Faramir shows Frodo and Sam a secret entrance to Mordor via the sewers of Osgiliath??!!! That's violation. Interpretation is dropping scenes, giving one character's bits to another, showing on-camera something Tolkien merely alluded to, but this sounds like sheer, bloody INTRUSION. No herbs and stewed rabbit, but SEWERS???? I may throw up, unless someone tells me it's a mistake.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 2:44 p.m. CST

    There's hope for your poster, raker

    by Pallando Blue

    ...But not much help from me. Does anyone still have the url for that Czech site with the exhaustive gallery of LOTR images? Can't seem to find it anywhere. Anyway, I know for a fact they have scanned images of all of the Variety Oscar-push ads. If somebody can dredge up the link for you (and me!), you can wade through their countless pages of thumbnails for the one you're looking for. Pretty good sized images, too, if memory serves. *** Francie! I remember in August you came to torture with your early-gettin' crowing! Curses! ;) ...Yet hope remains, while afternoon mailroom rounds stay true... Oh MAN I'd love to get this for the weekend.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Saw that too, D.O.T.

    by Pallando Blue

    And, um, [horse from orig. Ren & Stimpy 'toons] Nossir, I don't like it. [Note: must quit with the damn "voices"] That there was so odd and Not Right I'm perfectly willing to ignore and forget it (a.k.a. "denial") until the film shows me otherwise. I mean, eeuyugh. I don't even WANNA speculate on that and what it would mean. Makes for some ugh-ugly possibilities... I mean, NOPE. Topps got it wrong. Stupid card company! [plugs fingers in ears, starts humming "Henry The Eighth" very loudly]

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 3:06 p.m. CST

    trust pj

    by raker

    someone around here use to say that and they are words to live by. Trust the man who gave us FOTR on the big screen.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 3:08 p.m. CST

    there goes the order again

    by raker

    I think I know what did it too. There was a nasty post to Moriarity on the other TB and it vanished then the order became entangled.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 3:21 p.m. CST

    DoT broods over sewers...

    by daughter of time opposed to lovely curtain of bejeweled waterfall. There is so much ugliness to come, do we need to lose what little beauty Frodo and Sam are yet allowed to experience? Could live with Osgiliath, maybe... but not sewers. Oh, no, precious, not sewers at all.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Something is very foul with the Sewers!

    by Smaugrot

    I agree with you DOT. I am as eager to see TT as the next fan, but I am getting a creeping feeling that TTT is going to drift much farther from the books than is required for cinema adaptation. It starts with the elves (Elrond?, Arwen?) joining the fray in Helms Deep. Next Eowyn and the whole population of Rohan (what's left)move into Helms deep. Now, it is rumored that Frodo, Sam and Gollum sneek into Mordor through sewers?!! One of the great parts of the story is Fordo's struggle near Minas Morgaul when the Nazgul king's army marches near. I was really looking forward to seeing that scene on the screen. I sure hope that the sewer plot is just a diversion. I was very pleased with how much PJ followed the storyline in FOTR, but I get the feeling we are now drifting a bit much for my tastes. I wonder if the Paths of the Dead are the next item on the chopping block?

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 5:33 p.m. CST

    why not just dump the poo in the Anduin

    by raker

    I never did look at the list of song titles on the soundtrack. Perhaps a clue to the smelly sewers would be there

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Here's the fightin' words:

    by daughter of time

    (From reported descriptions on Topps cards) Card 57 - Possession of Frodo--Faramir looks on "riveted" as Frodo struggles with the Ring's control of him. Frodo's expression is quite upset. Card 78 - In Osgiliath's Sewers - Part of the blurb on the back of the card states that Faramir takes Frodo and Sam to the sewers under Osgiliath which will give them "a secret way into Mordor...The fate of all Middle-earth hangs on what happens here." ***The fate of all Middle Earth hangs on what happens in the SEWERS OF OSGILIATH?

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Nothing profound

    by JD1866

    Hola to Pip's D. Glad you popped in to say hello. *** Pallando, I believe the site you are thinking of is *** A little birdie whispered in my ear that TTT was finished last month and the crew was now focusing on RotK. I wasn't sure whether he meant the TTT as a whole or just the fx and I wasn't given the chance to ask him to elaborate. So, take that for what it's worth.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 6:54 p.m. CST

    more sewer

    by raker

    Some one on the TORN talkback suggested that the sewer stuff might be a added scenario within the card game. I don't know what that means for sure but perhaps there is still hope.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 6:59 p.m. CST

    thanks JD

    by raker

    for the link to the pictures.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Sewers Under the Anduin?

    by daughter of time

    Hmm, there's a concept. Almost sounds like a song title. Except that rivers are usually what the sewage goes into. (And actually, sewage just doesn't get much mention in Middle Earth, other than references to "orc filth.") The more I think about it, the more I hope that the person who wrote the text for the cards is an idiot, and whatever dark, slippery environment seen is really the rock tunnel on the way to the pool. Anyway, it's something to cling to. I still don't like Frodo getting too twitchy over the Ring before Mordor.

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Funky edits and other observations

    by mykll42

    Due to the wonders of unrepentant DVD retailers, I got my copy of the Special Extended Version last night. Managed to get a good hour or so of sleep before watching it. Many thanks to Elanor for the tip on where to pick it up. I've watched the film itself and I'll just say it: I prefer the original cut. There is one very sloppy edit (at the beginning of Lothlorien), a few instances where the addition of material should have been balanced by the removal of material (getting into Moria, leaving Lothlorien), and at least one joke that really detracts from the tone (it involves Pippin... that's all you get from me). It's not all bad, but it was enough to distract me. The Shire stuff was excellent, the additions to the battle scenes rocked, and, as Moriarty said, Rhys-Davies gets his finest moment in the film after Lothlorien. But here's the catch... even if the first two discs were blank, this would still be worth it. The appendices rock my world. First DVDs I've owned which require a map to navigate. And I still haven't touched the commentaries.

  • Nov. 9, 2002, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Here it is again:

    by Pulzar711

    Just in case you missed it the first time due to it getting lost in in order-hosing: ..yes it's the video clip that disturbed Ingold, everyone go check it out! Spread the word! Everyone must behold its glory!!! And Ingold I'm glad you liked it... [is "like" the correct term?]... and Runelord I see is going to the line party in Kenosha- you have my undying jealousy! I shall be going w/friends in the Cities on the following weekend, due to my impending move. *sobs* Have fun, you lucky so-and-so! ;-)

  • Nov. 10, 2002, 7:40 p.m. CST


    by BG

    So the Gondorians built a sewer that runs from Osgiliath into Mordor. Well no wonder Sauron's so pissed off and Mordor is such a shit hole! If my neighbours were flushing their crap into my back yard I'd be pretty inclined to raise an army and kick their ass as well! War of the ring? War of the turd more like!

  • Nov. 12, 2002, 4:53 p.m. CST


    by WilliamZabkaRox

    i'd just like to respond to anyone that's ever bashed George Lucas for re-releasing Star Wars over and over and now worshiping Peter Jackson. Both men have made brilliant films and neither deserve to be bashed but get ready to get tons of re-released special edition gift sets of all the LOTR films. The day after I bought my dvd when it came out I heard about the Special edition and gift set and was pissed for a few reasons. everyone bashed Lucas for putting out all these versions of Star Wars and praised the 1st LOTR for being better that any Star Wars film. I guess now that Jackson is doing the same thing, as well as turning this series into a huge marketing campaign it's perfectly fine to bash everything Lucas has done when both men are doing the same stuff. Lucas has re-released his movies mainly because they always are out of date picture and sound wise and seem to always go out of print, much like many Disney movies. Jackson will do the same thing 20 years down the line when things are updated. I still will never see the fuss over things but I just wanted to say to anyone that bashed Lucas for wanting everyones money...Jackson is doing the same thing and to prove that...why were two versions of his smaller film, Bad Taste released on dvd at the same time but both were different? I'm not bashing either one of these men at all because they both gave us so much wonderful things but I hope that anyone who puts Lucas down will re-think what they are saying and think about Jackson because i'm willing to be that a speical edition will be created 20 years from now where he goes back and adds new stuff in his LOTR trilogy!