Nov. 6, 2002, 2:16 a.m. CST
by Red Giant
And a good idea to slant it more this way for the second trailer. Still not convinced how good this will be though.
Nov. 6, 2002, 2:21 a.m. CST
ANYTHING I want? mmmmm..... Uma sandwich.....
Nov. 6, 2002, 2:22 a.m. CST
Just downloading it now.
Nov. 6, 2002, 2:50 a.m. CST
Why do I get the idea that if a film is not American, it is somehow less important, and therefore subject to be remade with impunity? I mean, Wings of Desire, La Femme Nikita, The Vanishing, The Ring, now Solaris? Not that remakes can't be good, but just once I would like to see the full marketing might of a major studio put behind a foreign film that really deserves it.
Nov. 6, 2002, 2:58 a.m. CST
The chicks will come in opening night and then go 'what the hell was that shit?"
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:16 a.m. CST
Solaris is originally a book. Which makes Tarkovsky's film an adaptation. Which makes Soderbergh's film an adaptation. Perhaps I'm misled, but didn't Soderbergh adapt his screenplay from the book, not Tarkovsky's film?
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:22 a.m. CST
by earl of sandwich
Is it just me or is Clooney's voice way cooler than his mug? Why haven't they used him in a animated feature? Solaris looks kinda shit, by the way.
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:23 a.m. CST
of course, you have no idea what that's referencing .. but if you do, you read waaaaay too many comic books in the '80's ..
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:40 a.m. CST
.. George Clooney does have a bit voice part in the SOUTH PARK movie (and in the TV series too, I think ..
Nov. 6, 2002, 4:16 a.m. CST
Check out Amores Peros for one of the best movie openings in history.
Nov. 6, 2002, 4:20 a.m. CST
by Monkey Lover
Movie execs are dumbasses. They spend shitloads making a film then forget to market it until less than a month before it is released. Someone should take a shit right on their desk to prompt them to take swift action.
Nov. 6, 2002, 4:38 a.m. CST
But this does smack of Event Horizon, or worse, Sphere. Not a bad thing, perhaps, but I remain to be convinced. And as for the remark about foreign films, the problem remains I think with the audience. English speaking audiences generally have a problem with subtitles. And let's face it, dubbing is the rape of a good film. So while more marketing might help, films like Crouching Tiger, Amelie, Life is Beautiful and all those other foreign movies that made a dent in the US and UK markets probably have a natural box office cap which they will not surpass. Hence the lack of a huge marketing push.
Nov. 6, 2002, 4:48 a.m. CST
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Nov. 6, 2002, 6:14 a.m. CST
by Egon Spengler
The Novel Solaris, written Polish author Stanislaw Lem was first published 1961. If Soderbergh's version follows the original text, then you're in for intriguing but unfortunately very anti-climatic ride. Solaris is not an adventure story and it's not really a mystery, all the info to understand what is going on is handed to reader very early on. It's a meditation on being human in the presence of an almost God-like being who can make wishes come true. Most entertaining this book was to me when it speculates about the true nature of the Solaris ocean trough the books of theories Kelvin reads at the station. They have studied the planet for something like 100 years and it's mysteries have had profound effect on Earth. I hope some of this survives into the film.
Nov. 6, 2002, 6:19 a.m. CST
by Silvio Dante
...improved the Lem's ending somewhat - if you happened to be awake at that point in film, clocking something like three hours. Lem's Cyberiad is great piece of work, by the way - Sci-fi with a sense of humour. Check it out if you can.
Nov. 6, 2002, 7:07 a.m. CST
by jak flash 2000
It looks great. Also the fact that Soderbergh and Cloony work well together does help matters. Add to this the fact that Soderbergh knows goe to do a remake and we have a good combination. One problem, apart from the setting. This film just looks and sounds too much like Event Horizon (partly) and Sphere (mostly). They mostlt com at night. Mostly. I am @ firstname.lastname@example.org
Nov. 6, 2002, 9:14 a.m. CST
Well, I have never seen Tarkovsky's film but read Lem's novel. I know that the film won't focus on Solaris (one of the strangest "planets" in Science Fiction history)itself but on the people (?) on the station. Yes, I know that Sphere, Event Horizon and what-the-hell-do-I-know are rip-offs of Solaris, but when I see this trailer and hear them talking about a security team missing in action I can't help but thinking that now they're ripping off the rip-offs. This trailer ends with the words "you don't know what you're in for", let's hope they really mean it. Because if the movie turns out to be what this trailer seems to indicate... then it's going to be a very big disappointment.
Nov. 6, 2002, 9:22 a.m. CST
Hi, I too think that the most interesting parts of the novel are those stories and theories about th Solaris ocean, but for all I've heard about this film and Trakovsky's previous adaptation we're not going to see that much of the ocean. Just so you're not too disappointed when you won't get to see one of those symmetriades (at least that's what it was called in the german translation).
Nov. 6, 2002, 9:24 a.m. CST
Did Soderbergh ever say what's his own guideline with this project, to make his own adaptation of Lem's novel, or to make a remake of Tarkovsky's film?
Nov. 6, 2002, 11:10 a.m. CST
Which is sad. Dumb ass americans. Oh and for you losers that voted republican - when they take away your rights and turn the country into an overt police state rather than a covert police state, don't you dare bitch about it. This is what _you_ voted for. Dumb asses.
Nov. 6, 2002, 11:22 a.m. CST
You don't get it. The studios don't make remakes of crappy foreign movies; they make crappy remakes of brilliant foreign movies (at least for the examples you gave), since they obviously think a US audience too damn stupid to get it or wants a happy ending, etc. Don't bitch about the originals, bitch about the people that fuck up the remakes, unless you've seen the originals and really think they are bad; well, the remakes are almost without exception worse. It's rare that it comes close to the original, like for example "Vanilla Sky" to "Abre los Ojos". And I think this is just! If US audiences are too goddamn lazy to read subtitles and see the originals, bad remakes is what they deserve! b.t.w. Soderbergh explicitly commented that his movie is a new adaptation of the book and not a remake of Tarkovsky's masterpiece, and damn well he said that, since it would have automatically made his movie superfluous to watch as Tarkovsky's masterpiece can't be improved upon. And to the dumb fucks commenting about this being a remake of Event Horizon and/or Sphere; that's what you get when your movie education doesn't go any further back then Star Wars and then limited to the US only.
Nov. 6, 2002, 11:56 a.m. CST
The ad campaign gets it right by playing up the romance element. This isn't a standard sci-fi "boo" movie, so a lot of AICN geeks are probably going to be disappointed. Like the "Limey," this film is a mood piece about a man's inability to let go of a dead family member. Love the poster, too.
Nov. 6, 2002, 12:03 p.m. CST
From what I read before (and I'm sure Soderbergh and Cameron's version still is drastically different from Lem's classic nove) I had thought this would be boring and trivial as hell, but maybe it won't be. Oh well, maybe it'll be good for a discount theater viewing.
Nov. 6, 2002, 12:26 p.m. CST
Will it remain an R or get PG-13
Nov. 6, 2002, 1:11 p.m. CST
the great majority, if not the near-totality, of people have not read the novel, have not seen the original movie, and if Soderberg and Clooney weren't attached to this pathetic retelling of the story, the general public would never even have heard of the existence of "Solaris". Where's the intelligent ocean of the sentiant planet, you narrow-minded mother fucker?!? - I know Kung Fu.
Nov. 6, 2002, 1:24 p.m. CST
Read my post again. We're in complete agreement. Every one of the films I mentioned is great, and every remake mediocre to shit. I was just wondering what would happen if some studio had the balls and brains to take the next La Femme Nikita, and give it the advertising budget of oh, say, a Die Hard movie. Go figure.
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:14 p.m. CST
that`s the first trailer i saw(first solaris trailer). and i think that snaut looks too...emmm healthful..(i guess that guy we see ther is supposed to be snaut)but maybe he`s still freaky enough. well...i think i have to free myself from the imaginations i had from the book and save it till i`ve seen the movie. i think it
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:26 p.m. CST
they're trying like hell to "brand" this as generic space thriller with A-lister. Good luck, buckos! Didn't Soderbergh call it a love story? Sigh. That's a date movie! As if science fiction fans (16- to 34-year-old nonalpha males) would go to a date movie (more to the point: who'd go with them?) Studio's best bet is to walk away quietly and hope like hell they can get some meat off this pig with the foreign grosses.
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:30 p.m. CST
The studio has no idea how to promote this because it isn't a popcorn movie with exposions and catch phrases. But since they sunk millions in to make it they have to play up the romance angle to suck as many people in on Friday and Sat. By Sunday word of mouth from the cretins will kill it. I'll be shocked if the public rushes out to see this. As for me, Fox has my $9.
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:39 p.m. CST
AAAnd ULRICH TUKUR a little german actor who`s actually good acts as GIBARIAN...OH MY FUCKING GOODNESS!!!!!! that`s INCREDIBLE!!! woooooooo....oh my good...how could this happen?..it
Nov. 6, 2002, 3:40 p.m. CST
why do these damn names have to be changed....aaaarghhhh!
Nov. 6, 2002, 5:12 p.m. CST
by Egon Spengler
Maybe some things are better left for imagination, instead of bad effects. Thanks for the info.
Nov. 7, 2002, 2:33 a.m. CST
Ok, Noc, your sentence "I would like to see the full marketing might of a major studio put behind a foreign film that really deserves it." sounded like you said most foreign film don't deserve any backing, but if that's not what you meant, I'll take your word for it and stand corrected. On a different note, why is it so fucking hard for Harry & Co. to get a halfway decent sorting order on Talkback messages, what the fuck is up with that? People have been bitching about it for years, but obviously it's too technically challenging to add "Order By Date" to the query on the database that stores this shit. Ah well ...
Nov. 13, 2002, 8:24 a.m. CST
It is harey, because that's how she was called in original. Not Rheya, like in English translation, or Hari, like in Russian adaptation, but Harey, like in Polish original from 1960.