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Herc's Seen 1st BUFFY of Sweeps!!

Published at: Nov. 4, 2002, 9:44 a.m. CST

Buffy 7.6 FAQ

What’s it called?

“Him.”

Who’s responsible?

Teleplay is credited to Drew Z. Greenberg (“Smashed,” “Older and Far Away,” “Entropy”).

What did Herc say about this one in his Sept. 20 “Buffy” spoilers?

* “Emergency cheerleader tryouts” are held at Sunnydale High when one of the squad has a nasty run-in with a vending machine.

* Lori, the Cordelia-like captain of the cheerleading squad, gets terribly annoyed when a star quarterback (let’s call him Skyler) fails to ignore Dawn properly. Lori mocks Dawn by suggesting that sister Buffy, the school’s new counselor, is “some kind of narc or something.”

* Skyler feels threatened too, because his coach plans to start the Saturday game with a longtime benchwarmer (perhaps named Kozac). Dawn pleads with Kozac to bow out so Skyler can lead the team to victory. When Kozac laughs her off, Dawn does something surprising enough to be revealed in inviso-text! At the end act one, Dawny shoves the burly Kozac down a flight of stairs.

* It turns out Skyler can make all the females in Sunnydale do his bidding, thanks to his magical letter jacket. There’s a funny scene closing act two that may remind some of “Buffy Vs. Dracula.” Skyler slips the jacket on while Buffy is trying to lecture him about the evil of womanizing.

* Sounds like a Xander-centric episode from a few seasons past? There are parallels, including more than a little exciting catfight action. The slayer will even abuse her Sunnydale High authority to score some one-on-one time with the hunky footballer many years her junior.

* Spike and Xander, being the only two boys left in the regular cast, team up to sort out what’s happened. They visit Skyler’s brother, Lance. Once a big man on campus, Lance has grown into a pudgy delivery boy for Pizza Barn. It is from Lance that they learn of the jacket’s disturbing history.

Did Herc’s sources get it right?

A few things changed, including the names of some of the jocks. Skyler is now R.J. Kozac is now O’Donnell. Nobody calls Buffy a “narc.” I think.

What does TV Guide say?

“Lovestruck Dawn pushes to have a charismatic jock (Thad Luckinbill) made quarterback on Sunnydale High's football team; Xander and Spike become reluctant roommates.”

The big news?

D’Hoffryn apparently had a change of heart, and dispatched a demon to kill Anya.

What else is TV Guide not telling us?

Both Xander and Willow cast lustful eyes on the writhy, barely clad vixen the “charismatic jock” dances with at the Bronze – until said vixen turns around and turns out to be little Dawnie!

Any news on Spike’s condition?

He moves in with Xander in the very first scene. And without Morphy around to torment him, he kinda seems fine now. A little blank and haunted, but apparently not delusional, and actually quite helpful at several points.

Is Willow affected by jacket-boy?

Yes, the jacket must be keyed to X chromosomes, for it affects Willow but not Xander or Spike. Willow’s solution is to transform jacket-boy into a girl.

Does Willow get to implement this solution?

Not quite. Dang it.

Are Anya and Xander talking?

Yes, but not so much about each other. They continue to work together as components of the slayer circle. But Dawn says Xander says her still wants Anya.

Any hooded figures this week? Slayers-in-training?

Nope.

Any sign of Giles?

Nope.

What about Morphy?

Nope.

What’s good?

We get to see all four of the show’s very attractive lead actresses in hot-and-bothered mode, which is always pleasant. Xander gets to be funny and save the day again. An assassination attempt on the oblivious Principal Wood will amuse. There may or may not be at one point a low-rent homage to “24.” Or “Charlie’s Angels.” Or “Mannix.” It may not be an homage.

What’s not so good?

They really should have let Willow turn jacket-boy into a girl. Also? Blink and you’ll miss the Breeders’ guest appearance at the Bronze.

That Anya-centric installment from two weeks ago was awfully good. Did Joss Whedon write the song Anya sang?

He did.

Was the song titled “I’ll be Mrs”?

It's titled “Mrs.”

This Drew Goddard guy who supposedly wrote “Selfless”? Is he really Joss Whedon using a psuedonym?

According to highly placed sources, Goddard last season was a TV exec's assistant - an assistant who wrote a “Six Feet Under” spec that many at Mutant Enemy enjoyed enormously. Word has it a range war broke out between the “Buffy” and “Angel” camps, both anxious to put him on staff.

How does 7.6 end, spoiler-boy?

Anya abruptly switches off the radio.

Herc’s rating for “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” 7.6?

***1/2

The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:

  • ***** better than we deserve
  • **** better than most motion pictures
  • *** actually worth your valuable time
  • ** as horrible as most stuff on TV
  • * makes you quietly pray for bulletins

8 p.m. Tuesday. UPN.

I am – Hercules!!





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  • Nov. 4, 2002, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I'm first

    by 93curr

    But I have nothing to say. So sad.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Erster!

    by Mac Styran

    Sorry, I couldn't resist!

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 9:51 a.m. CST

    standard stuff

    by cordynharm

    sounds like a standard MOTW episode. lets hope its not, cant wait to see the gals all fighting for the same guy

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Giles is really missed...

    by Kelvington

    This show is really in need of Giles' touch, when I catch the older shows on FX or syndication, I realize how much he helped hold that show together. I don't think the show will get really good again until they bring him back.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 10:35 a.m. CST

    And it comes full circle

    by Entilzha Proph

    Xander eyeing Dawn LOL!!!!! And willow doing it as well - Wonder if the Buffster will find out both her friends were eyeing her little sis :D!!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Giles et al.

    by Creflo A. Dollar

    Definitely low on the Testosterone lately. No Giles, No Angel, an impotent Spike, oh, wait, Xander will rise to the occasion...NOT. Wheedon better get those men back on quick, before everyone goes Willow and begin carpet munching (thinks for a second) which actually would not be a bad idea...

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 11 a.m. CST

    Giles et al.

    by Creflo A. Dollar

    Definitely low on the Testosterone lately. No Giles, No Angel, an impotent Spike, oh, wait, Xander will rise to the occasion...NOT. Wheedon better get those men back on quick, before everyone goes Willow and begin carpet munching (thinks for a second) which actually would not be a bad idea...

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 11:10 a.m. CST

    "How's it end"

    by DanielSan

    Gotta say, I love the "How's it end" portion of these reviews. They are great teasers that really make no sense until you actually see the episode. Well done! Inviso-text rocks as well!

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 11:31 a.m. CST

    to Chastain86 (spoiler included)

    by 93curr

    Giles is set to return in but three more eps, rumour has it. Mr. Marsters has reported working with him. And, before you ask, no, we have no reports of Giles turning evil anytime soon. But Warren and Jonathan are presumable back in the same ep. (although one of them don't make it out alive) -am I the only one who would find it ridiculously cool of they came back to town, only to have Willow kill them surreptitiously?

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Lil Dawnie

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    Wouldnt anybody do a double take at Dawn now? She still might be a tad young but she would still catch your eye if she walked by. I hope to god they finally make her dress like a teen instead of an adult going to work. Whoever is in charge of the wardrobe department lately has been making the women look silly.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 12:18 p.m. CST

    who is morphy?

    by fladnaG

    Yes I know this is probably a stupid question but I have not seen all the episodes this season due to circumstances beyond my control. I thought I knew what was up but I evidently have no clue who morphy is. If someone could clue me in I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 12:31 p.m. CST

    How Does It End...not QUITE right

    by ginta1971

    Anya said something after she switched off the radio Herc...you might wanna add it because I thought it made the scene even funnier....and knwoing Anya it makes even less sense out of context. So much so to confuse people even more;)

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 12:33 p.m. CST

    anyone else happy about this?

    by FatXander

    not only is dawn turning out both hot and a valuble character, the show seems to have gotten back into form. I'm just looking at season 6 as an aberation. At least Buffy gets to end on a high note, i have a feeling both firefly and angel are going to wimper out.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 12:43 p.m. CST

    fladnaG.....

    by General Idea

    I haven't seen all the eps this season either, but from what I've seen, Morphy is a person/thing that well....morphs. It appeared in the form of all the "big bads" from previous seasons, and ultimately even as Buffy, while talking to Spike during his demented phase (after getting the soul back), so I'm betting Spike doesn't remember it. No clues on what it is thus far.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Hottie

    by DyslexicHeart

    Making Dawn a sex kitten to rival her sister is a very good idea. Xander is not that much older than her and are we so sure that Dawn doesn't swing the same sex way? Oh the Possibilities, it's the last season why not?

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 1:17 p.m. CST

    If Warren and Jonathan come back...

    by Bramton1

    ...my money's on Warren for being the one not to make it out of the episode alive. Especially since he's already dead! Heh heh...sorry, couldn't resist. Now for Andrew and Jonathan, my money's on Andrew kicking the bucket. Jonathan can never die. He has to live on to get his own spinoff, "Oh, Jonathan!"

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 1:28 p.m. CST

    X/D !!??!!

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    Ewwww.....I know Xander is only supposed to be about 5 years older than Dawn, but Nick Brendon is 15 years older than Michelle. A Xander/Dawn ship is kinda invading into the icky territory. Still I shall call the ship 'Xawn' and all shall follow (though 'Dander' is pretty damn funny too). Still it is Hollyweird so nothing should surprise me.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 2:33 p.m. CST

    General Idea

    by fladnaG

    Thanks for the info. I now know what you're talking about but I never thought of morphy as a creature. I thought it was just Spike being all tortured and demented because he got his soul back. Maybe Herc knows more than he's letting on. Oh well, at least I'm back on track. Thanks a lot and have a good day.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 2:40 p.m. CST

    checking out Dawn

    by chiefcherokee

    It seems pretty obvious to me that Xander and Willow did not know they were looking at Dawn until she turned around, don't think they were conciously checking out someone they probably think of as their little sister.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 3:12 p.m. CST

    sunnydale is cold

    by poster_nutbag

    Is it just me or are Sunnydale's residents the most heavily dressed people in Southern California?

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Lil' Dawny as a "writhy, barely clad vixen"?!?

    by Respect The Cock

    Ratings GOLD! Sales of personal lubricant SPIKE before the 8 o'clock premiere!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Since this year is a homage to Buffy's past...

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    I'd like to see Lil Dawnie do Buffy's Chibo Mato dance from 'When she was bad'. Now that would ratings gold.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Does it strike noone as odd...

    by Mr Smartypants

    That Buffy has this school counsellor job, considering that "Rebecca Anne Summers" is legally DEAD? Just a random thought...

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 3:54 p.m. CST

    If Willow had turned RJ into a girl

    by Drath

    that would have been a fantastic solution to the post-Tara love interest for Willow debate! It's a guy...no, it's a girl now, but she was a guy too! If they could get an actress as good as Emma Caulfield at playing up the "I'm not supposed to be like this" humor, it'd be a funny character to boot! Sucks to be the actor that originated the role though--kinda like the guy who played Dennis on Angel. He's even in the opening credits, but he only worked the one time.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Legally dead?

    by Toonimator

    Howzzat? The Scoobs hid Buffy's death from the general public. Remember Buffybot filling in at parent-day at Dawn's school? (also, what grade IS she in? She's just starting high school, but she's 16 (based on Season 5 starting point at 14)?! Where in California do they do that "7-9 middle school" BS? Maybe they tacked on Grade 9 to middle school since the HS was gone. Also, tertiarily, where did the older kids go to school when there wasn't a Sunnydale High? // err, so anyway, Buffy was never LEGALLY dead. Nobody knew but the gang.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 3:58 p.m. CST

    mr dummypants

    by ArchDiver

    Buffy was never legally declared dead. The Buffybot stood in for her, attending parent-teacher meetings, slaying, the works. If you paid attention to s6 opener, you'd have seen this. ***** Can't wait to see the doubletakes of Xander and Willow at the Bronze! snigger. AD out

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 4 p.m. CST

    I stand corrected..

    by Mr Smartypants

    BuffyBot stood in for her, of course... Anyone else kinda miss the 'Bot? At least she cracked a smile occasionally...

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 4:01 p.m. CST

    You mock my pants?

    by Mr Smartypants

    How dare you, sir!

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Whedon goes all Lucas on us

    by HDB

    Reimagining scenes from earlier seasons, to make a point about 'that was then, this is now' or some such. Could be worse. Could be the return of Riley. Sounds like Dawnie gets her own hottie dance moment (will they put it in the credits between Buffy's and Anya's?) and a revisit of 'undercover' Xander's Speedo shot from the episode about the swim team. Oh, and before I hit 'return', which of you fellas _didn't_ first lay eyes on lil' Dawnie and say, "I want her phone number in 7 or 8 years!" Be honest!

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 4:21 p.m. CST

    to drath:

    by 93curr

    But if Willow HAD succeeded in turning RJ into a girl, wouldn't the jacket spell transfer from the X to the Y? All of a sudden Anya, Buffy and Dawn (AND Willow!)would have become immune and Xander and Spike would have become automatically enamoured? Could have been a pretty cool unexpected fourth act.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 4:51 p.m. CST

    "I want her phone number in 7 or 8 years!" Be honest?

    by ThingsThatTimDog

    The girl is legal now. Well in some states anyway. Im glad they have finally givin MT something to do with the character rather than be Buffy's personal albatross.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Fat Xander saves the day.

    by Rude_Kaiser

    All dogs do go to heaven and obviously they take their fat master with them. I hope this episode is good. I'm starting to get bored with all of Joss's stuff now. Herc gives this 3 stars and gave last weeks episode 5 stars. They have all been the same to me. At least they have been better than Angel. Cordy is sucking the life out that show.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 6:21 p.m. CST

    The death thing

    by Al_Shut

    Isn't it difficult to hide somebodys death when she is burried on teh cementery?

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 6:22 p.m. CST

    CheapVodkaSucks

    by pug fugly

    I was always under the impression that Sunnydale is supposed to be in Northern California where - let me tell you - it gets pretty damn cold.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Three stars??

    by snorfle

    I dunno...your description sounded pretty positive...was it just not very funny or something?

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 7:25 p.m. CST

    3 star story, 4 star writing

    by ReesRacer

    who knew drew greenberg had the comedy in him? his past efforts on the show did not cover lighter subject matter (then again, little did last year). this episode treads old ground in its subject matter (another love spell type thing), but the script and execution really raised it above average. as in the case with 'selfless', there are many small touches that elevate the experience. not a big fan of any dawn-centric ep's, but it makes some sense here. can't blame xander for his... misunderstanding. also, more references to the past (season two) and yet another monty python skit can't hurt. not groundbreaking for sweeps, but extremely enjoyable nonetheless.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 8:12 p.m. CST

    No cemetery...

    by Toonimator

    ...though they made it seem like it at the end of Season 5, AND had her grave featured prominently in the cemetery in the Buffy comic during a story that took place between Season 5 & 6. In Season 6's premiere, when they perform the spell to bring Buffy back, we see her grave's hidden deep in the woods. All secret-like, so nobody'd stumble across it (though the bikers had no trouble finding it!), and so the Scoobs would have a tough time finding their way back to civilization when they're forced to flee.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 8:36 p.m. CST

    WildFeed Version of "Him" on KAZAA (75 MB)....

    by EricAlan69

    It just went up, for those of you out of the country, or otherwise unable to watch the show on television tomorrow night. Keywords: "new buffy", or "e." as the author// e.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Wow! SA actually had something positive to say! ;)

    by RogueScribner

    And curr should be ashamed of himself. First posting? Tsk, tsk. :) Buffy wears a skirt in this episode. Oh goody, we get to look at SMG's lack of ass! L8r

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Hide this TalkBack in the middle, please. Thank you.

    by chickenmonkey

    I think Willow should have just changed the orientation of the jacket with the same kind of magic she used on herself to become Insta-Bi (tm). That way, you'd have some creeped-out jock getting hit on by fat Xander and an mad-vamp Spike. Now THAT'S what I call Sweeps, baby! Yeah!

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 12:19 a.m. CST

    I love the smell of HOTPANTS in the morning.

    by Gellar's Ass

    Oh, happy day. I fully support the direction M.E. is taking these characters. WAR VIXENS.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 12:31 a.m. CST

    pug fugly, and why Jonithan needs to keep around

    by Entilzha Proph

    From what Joss has said, the Dale is in Southern Cal. I don't remember where, but anyway, it was suppose to be in Southern Cal. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - As for why they need to keep Jonathan around, well, really simple actually - they need to do either a Dawn/Jonathan or else a Faith/Jonathan.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Just Watched it

    by J Dog Jenkins

    I just watched the wildfeed of the new Buffy Ep and I gotta say that Herc totally lowballed it. This was a hilarious episode. Particularly Anya and Buffy's method's of "proving thier love" as well as all the stuff with Xander and Spike. At least 4 stars! How this got a lower rating than that dull as fuck episode with Cassie is just bewildering.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 2:46 a.m. CST

    bwstarwars

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Enough with your bullshit, 8th grade, suck ass poem. quit posting it. Its horrible.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 3:04 a.m. CST

    catfight!!!!!!!!!!!

    by punto

    err.. I mean, yeah, what an interesting take on todays youth.. (something)

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 3:37 a.m. CST

    7.6 problems

    by ReesRacer

    i already mentioned the nature of a story retread with 'him', and i can't help but wonder why the result wasn't more like what happened in 'bewitched, bothered, and bewildered' (flashback anyone?). i mean, why was r.j.'s allure apparently limited to so few? again, the dialogue and performances raise it above the average ep, but it still seems like we've seen this before (almost exactly). every season seems to have its farcical episode: 'b,b,&b', 'band candy', 'something blue' et al, and each of those had other underlying things going on at the time...or later. we can't know exactly what might surface hence from 'him' (anya's actions??), but i hope that there is some reaping from what's been sowed.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Women= 2X chromosomes Men=X+Y Chromosomes

    by The Paladin

    Don't start talking about Cytogenetics if you don't know the first thing about the field!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Four Star Episode--Dawn does Sexy Dance in Hip Huggers

    by Hamlet3145

    It was a good, funny episode. Dawn busted out the Ho apparel. Spike and Xander move in together. Buffy screws a student. What's not to love?

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Nice to see UPN support the show

    by kobayashi

    I see that Buffy has the top advetising spot on Yahoo's main page today. Good to see the support for the show.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Has anybody seen the iguana?

    by brother_seamus

    Yay, the Breeders on Buffy!! That'll definitely take the edge off having to vote for the lesser of two evils today (maybe the first evil will run next time around, I'd at least know what I'd be getting into by voting for it.) I knew the Breeders were fans of the show (they covered a kick-ass version of the theme song when I saw them earlier this year, inadvertingly "outing" a bunch of closet Buffy fans) but I had no idea they'd be lucky enough to appear on the show itself. Too bad it's (apparently) a brief appearance. Maybe the Deal sisters asked for some of the shots of the band to be cut when they saw that the camera actually adds an extra ten pounds to their already enormous bodies. I guess the only thing to do when you're trying to kick dope is eat eat eat (it also doesn't help that they drink like great white sharks on pay day!)Yikes, well, I hope they play something good.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Okay, SERIOUSLY.

    by chickenmonkey

    Why the hell is this TalkBack so frickin' outa order? And so frelling slow? This site is running like a Xanaxed guinea pig on a velcro treadmill. And somebody must be listening to too much Beck -- "Put that machine on random mode." AND fuck middle posters. Fuck them up their automatic bzooties with a pop-lockin' beat from Korea.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Stupid poem

    by Steepdog

    Has anyone noticed that the retarted poem that Bstwars keeps posting is just a collection of tag lines from Buffy, Angel, and The Phantom Menace? Damn and he stole my idea of making a poem about the apocolyps using breakfast ceral ad lines. Anyone know what rhymes with "Trix are for kids" or "They're always after my Lucky Charms?"

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 4:55 p.m. CST

    thoughts about 'him'

    by deizneuf

    i like how this episode mirrors 'bewitched, bothered and bewildered' because then, xander was the impetus and now, he saves the day... it shows how he has grown (how they all have grown) as characters. also, someone complained about spike moving in with xander, but why wouldn't he? they lived together in S4 when spike had no soul and was only recently evil. also, at xanders buffy can keep a closer eye on him than if he lived alone.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 5:39 p.m. CST

    "BREAKFAST FOR APOCALYPSE" for SteepDog

    by chickenmonkey

    The end is nigh, the children spake: / "Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids" / An apocalypse at dawn's break / Like "Day of the Triffids" / A world of blood and pain / All men shall come to harm / An evil troll is saying / "They're always after me lucky charms" / From beneath you it devours / Returning to the depths it goes / Below the gravestones and the flowers / Follow your nose, it always knows / A Sloggoth demon full of bile / Hear it slither, slide and hiss / As it eats you, all the while, / It really wanted Coooooookie Crisp / But crunching on your human bones / Wishing it would only stop / You can hear above your moans / The sound of Snap Crackle and Pop / Nostradamus knew this all / But didn't write this stuff / His contemporaries had a ball / Saying he was Cuckoo for Coco-Puffs.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 7:10 p.m. CST

    None of the teenagers look like teenagers on this show...

    by Rick McCallum

    Especially compared to the regular cast, who are all supposed to be grown up now. I mean, come on. It's so obvious that the high schoolers, with the exception of Michelle, are played by "18 or above" and not "underage and emancipated" actors. In the last high school storyline episode, was anybody really convinced that the actress who played Cassie was a teenager? She looked older than Michelle, perhaps even the same age as Sarah Michelle! Whatever happened to Russ Tamblyn's cute daughter who played Dawn's friend Janice last season? (She had a dreamish, laid-back, pot girl-ish presence about her, and was definitely underage.) I just can't buy into any of this high school malarky now since none of the "teenagers" pass off convincingly as such. It all feels like a desperate play at going back to what made this series great. But, realistically, who the fuck would want to go back to high school, especially if you're still in college or college-aged? The Scoobies have grown and gone so far, and to see them back in a high school setting is depressing, especially when the "kids" don't look all that much younger than them.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Hell yeah! "Theme From A Summer Place"!

    by SleazyG.

    Fuckin' priceless, man. Always loved that song...

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Charm

    by Braider

    It really is all in the jacket.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Ass cleavage!!!

    by Respect The Cock

    I saw Dawny ass cleavage! That means no-panties Dawny...that means naughty Dawny thoughts. Excuse me...I have to go find a Mary Kate & Ashley site and my personal lubricant...

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 8:31 p.m. CST

    This is going to be taken the wrong way....

    by Johnny Dagger

    ...But really, would it have KILLED them to have Willow be attracted to a MALE again? WITHOUT deciding to turn the man into a woman? Yeah, yeah, I'm all for homosexual advancement in the arts, even if that means prominent gay characters in horror genre shows, but really...does it hurt them at all to make her BIsexual instead of straight up lesbo? I think not.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 8:59 p.m. CST

    bring me... the comfy chair!

    by ReesRacer

    yes indeed, max steiner's 'theme from a summer's place', the campy '59 flick about teen love and adult hypocrisy, starring none other than sandra dee. of course, used again in 1978's 'animal house' in a slightly different context, and again here. **** really liked some other little details: spike turning the 'angel' dolls around, referring to both angel AND dru. in 'something blue', buffy thinks she's the only one unaffected by willow's spell also. the quad split screen was definitely more 70ish than '24' and WAS a homage to charlie's angels or mannix for sure. spike chasing buffy outside wood's office with the old rocket launcher was classic. this whole episode was one reference after another to old movies, television (more than the usual assortment of pop references), and season two. so much so that it was winking at itself for the story retread i mentioned earlier.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 9:20 p.m. CST

    6 for 6 and is it wrong to lust for Dawn now?

    by Anyawatcher

    Hope the Connor is too young crap doesn't enter this board. Take Dawn to Alabama and no laws broken. And cheers to ME for another funny kick ass episode. Fuck that shark, Buffy never jumped. I hope Buffy sees Bruce Willis next week and sends him to hell.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 9:22 p.m. CST

    This Ep was good but not great.

    by warlock411

    I am sorry but Dawny just does not ring true to me. I mean she is the KEY given human form. She was made from buffy, like Spike said its about blood children, its always about blood. If ME is planning a Dawn the Vampire Slayer series they are going to have to do a hell of a lot of work on Dawn, and what it means to be Dawn. Spike , Willow and Anya are the reason I still watch this show. IN seasons 1-5 it was to watch Buffy.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Mistake in editing

    by jamsun1227

    Anyone else notice in the scene when SPike and Xander plotted to steal jock boy's jacket that Spike gave off a clearly visible reflection in the store window??? I'm bothered by this laziness in editing in so smart a show.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Faith arrives early! Oh wait...

    by HDB

    ...that was Dawn, doing an amazing imitation, up to the Dushku "just rolled out of several beds" hair mussing. "I don't care!" Pure 5X5. No substitute for the original, mind you, but a really funny choice for what Dawn would be like in slut-mode.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 9:44 p.m. CST

    One other thing--that train stunt B-L-E-W.

    by HDB

    Like a lot lizard on Double Green Stamps Day. Sorriest excuse for a stunt I've ever seen on this show. Looked like something from first season Knight Rider or any season of Walker, Texas Ranger. Bad stunt! No biscuit!.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Mmmm...breakfast for the apocolyps.

    by Steepdog

    Wow Chikenmonkey, that poem was grrrrreat! Anyway...the episode wasn't that bad, bud I am kind of ticked that they made a big hullaboo about giving spike a soul, and they have wasted him for the first several episodes on being a babbling freak, and then tonight thhey could have really made the whole situation with him and Xander hilariousm, but didn't really run with it. I would like to see more of Spike and Xander relucatantly teaming up, pulling the old "good cop, bad cop" act on some baddie. Am I the only one who thinks a show about Spike and Xander would make a cool spinoff?

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 10:23 p.m. CST

    More than pleasantly surprised

    by ArchDiver

    This ep was much better than I expected. The story was pretty damn good, the music selections were perfect, and the whole tone was just great. I really got to hand it to the director, this ep just came together nicely! AD out

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Ahh..well

    by 2GOLD

    I see now why we took a break cause this episode would have looked so weak after that Anya-centric episode we just had. Thanks to the break, not bad not bad at all. I'm still a little disappointed that Spike/Xander really didn't do much of anything but considering Xander REALLY hates Spike now I guess it'll take some time. Hey, Buffy dropped the evil...I guess Spike in the basement of her place of work was just annoying the hell out of her. Spike is in the closet and living with Xander...that joke is too easy, just way too easy. Dawn seems to have some issues with Xander, good girl. It's nice ONE of the characters has a problem with him. What kind of person names their kid Thad Luckinbill? I mean seriously, that Bold Steakem performed quite poorly if you ask me. I mean, the guy can have any girl he wants...old Sizzle McMuscles should have put more effort. This was a nice Dawnie development episode but I'm still wondering when he get a Xander episode? I guess he's not going to be that important, oh well less chance of death. That Buffy saying that no man is worth dying for seems to be leading to something in the future...I just don't know what it is.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Rees Racer

    by ArchDiver

    I think the most obvious problem may have the simplest explanation. My guess is that the Scooby girls were more susceptible to the jacket bc of their personal magical natures/involvement. It only appeared that they had an accelerated and more powerful response to it. Other females did seem to be affected. Of course, I could be reaching in order to enjoy an otherwise really fun ep. AD out

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Weak ep

    by mreeez

    They all can't be good. The train stunt was REALLY weak.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 11 p.m. CST

    AD

    by ReesRacer

    yeah, i'm not sure your explanation is the SIMPLEST, but i do know that i've had entirely too long to over-evaluate it (seeing the wildfeed), and i don't want you to think that i didn't enjoy the fun anyway. it would have made the episode a total mess had all the sunnydale chicks been affected anyway. it may not have been a simple explanation, but it was the simple SOLUTION in order to focus on the scooby women. i'm not sure everyone could make the "logical" leap you did about magical aptitude anyway...

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Too hilarious for HOTPANTS.

    by Gellar's Ass

    Sweet mother of crap, that was funny. This season rules.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Painful

    by QSWS914

    This was horrible. After such a great episode as "Selfless", we get this? GRRRR AARRRGH!!! (gasp, wheeze)

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:28 a.m. CST

    What a terrible episode!

    by kfahmy

    What the heck was that? An episode that tries so hard to be funny but lacks any significant laugh out loud moments...God, what a piece of crap! The overwrought Dawn throwing herself in front of the train tracks! Willow turning him into a girl?! Anya robbing a bank to impress him?!? It's like the writer was pulling ideas out of his/her ass. Probably one of the worst episodes I have ever seen. This season has been dismal so far (except for "Selfless" which was one of the best Buffys ever). I really hope things pick up.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Spike's reflection

    by turk128

    jamsun1227: "Anyone else notice in the scene when SPike and Xander plotted to steal jock boy's jacket that Spike gave off a clearly visible reflection in the store window??? I'm bothered by this laziness in editing in so smart a show." This shows that they actually *did* pay attention to the little details. Vampires don't cast a reflection 'cause they have no soul. Spike has a soul.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 1:21 a.m. CST

    DamnDirect TV

    by Jack Burton

    I missed out on the ending. The feed cut right as Xander covered Willow's mouth. (and forced me to miss 24 as well. Never thought i would miss cable!) In the meantime it was one of the funniest eps in a while. Can't wait to catch it in a rerun.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Turk, and vamps w/ souls (all 2 of 'em)

    by Toonimator

    You forget Angel still has no reflection. Possible explanation (other than lazy editing): Angel's soul was forced upon him. He's glad he's got it now, but Angelus was happy as a clam without it. Spike, he willingly went to get his soul back. It was his decision. Perhaps that makes all the difference, and Spike can check himself out in the mirror again. Will it be addressed? I wouldn't hold my breath over it.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 1:57 a.m. CST

    reflection was just minor oversight&Spike w/ the Angel

    by Anyawatcher

    bug deal. they prob shot that at 2 in the morning and wanted to go home. What do you think Spike was doing when he turned the ceramic angel around in Nativity scene?(pretty sure it was nativity). Was it a little dig at Angel by the Buffy gang or some sort of insight into Spike.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 2:08 a.m. CST

    To think that any episode this bad would get 3 and a half stars

    by cooper2000

    This is Buffy at it's Worst. I dont believe for a second the guy who wrote this wrote a Six Feet Under Script. The whole first half with all the High School Angst crap and the Dawn scenes were just lame. One thing I have noticed about this season is that every episode that takes place at Sunnydale High is high on the Suckage level. Boy I was hoping that Dawn would have been run over by that train. After the great Anya episode two weeks ago, It was dissapointing to see an episode like this. This goes down as one of Buffys all time worst. Time to pack up this show after this season. It is time.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Umm no

    by 2GOLD

    Vampires with souls do not cast reflections. IF they do, someone call Angel and tell him something is wrong with his soul. Sorry if that sounded rude, it was meant to be funny and may have fallen very flat. It was just an oversight.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 2:27 a.m. CST

    spike and the angels

    by ReesRacer

    i posted earlier that i thought it was just a personal spike thing against angel (it was not a nativity scene, just a bunch of little angel statues), but also a reference to dru's little dolls and how she used to blind-fold them or turn them around. nice touch.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:23 a.m. CST

    "No guy is worth your life! Not ever."

    by RogueScribner

    Tell me that's not going to come back and bite Buffy and/or Dawn in the ass. I liked this ep, but it's no BBB. - - - - - - - - - - I don't get why Xander is letting Spike live with him. It's not like in S4. Now Xander has memories of Buffy's AR, "Entropy", etc. There's a bunch of new reasons for him to hate Spike. - - - - - - - - - - Speaking of hating Spike, what's with Buffy still flinching at Spike's touch? She wasn't raped. She got pinned for a minute and then she kicked him off. It's perfectly understandable for her to not like Spike right now and to not want to be around him, but to flinch at his touch? She's stronger than that. The writers are milking the melodrama to keep them apart. Boo hoo. - - - - - - - - - - Dawn got sexy in this ep. And much like Xander, I felt very wrong for noticing. Heh heh. - - - - - - - - - - The split screen sequence was funny, as was the entire last act. This ep wasn't consistently funny though and was paced poorly during the middle. No real momentum. - - - - - - - - - - Regarding the Spike/angel thing, I figured it was a comment about how the path Angel took won't be the one Spike takes. Spike isn't Angel, so he turned the angel around as if to dismiss it. That's my theory anyway. - - - - - - - - - - MT was very vulnerable this episode and she made me believe that if anyone was truly in love with RJ it was Dawn. Alas, I guess it wasn't meant to be. 4/5. L8r

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:28 a.m. CST

    best episode of the season?

    by a goonie

    certainly the funniest ep in ages, "him" absolutely ruled. watching the four females bite into Drew's dialogue with such confidence and grace was wonderful. Dawn is bloody gorgeous. Buffy's principal assassination attempt was flat-out genius. obviously up there with "Beneath You" and "Help," this could very well be the best episode thus far this season.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:57 a.m. CST

    RS...again

    by ReesRacer

    allrighty then, at least xander is consistent. he didn't want spike with him in the basement (hush), obviously still was having problems with him (flooded), and never has treated him very well (or any vamp in general who had a thing for buffy). but one thing he's not done is say no to buffy very often. she asked him, he said okay. simple as that. besides, i kind of like he idea that they team up a bit like tonight.***** now, buffy has every right to flinch at anyone who attempted rape on her, despite her power, but also because spike (despite his soul) has shown that he can hurt her when he damn well pleases. no melodrama here, just the reality of it.****** finally, spike NEVER really got along with angel, since the very minute dru turned him. angel never liked spike either "sit and spin", and every other degrading thing he ever said to him. and spike's drunken stupor in 'lover's walk', and his insisting buffy never speak his name in 'something blue' is more evidence or their animosity. however, i will say you are absolutely right in that spike's path will be very different than angel's was post-soul, and the statue turning MAY have been indicative of that.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Turning the Angels

    by AngelTash

    I got the impression that Spike turned the Angels around because they symbolize good and holiness. He is guilt-ridden now that he has his handy dandy new soul, and he feels ashamed of the things he had done in the past. He didn't want them looking at him in judgement. Kind of like when you do something terrible to someone and then have a problem looking them in the eye. Or something like that...

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:26 a.m. CST

    WOOHOO! NEW POST! RIGHT HERE!

    by Darth Lechon

    Sorry, but the TB is so screwed up right now, you need a nonlinear equation to figure it out. Anyway, onto last night's ep. I'm going to attempt to supress my fledgling crush on MT and stick to the show. I liked it. Watching characters crushing is always entertaining. The cheerleading portions made me wince, although not because I hated them, but because I felt so bad for Dawn. She makes such a cute spaz. Watching Buffy, Willow and Anya get enchanted was hilarious too. It's why I enjoyed the other love spell oriented Buffy ep. The part outside Wood's office was hilarious. If they had Benny Hill's old theme playing softly on a radio in Wood's office, it would have been perfect. Overall though, it seemed and odd choice for the first ep in sweeps. Not a lot happened in terms of the overall storyline for the season. Or so it seemed. Still, I'm sure it made the "Put Dawn in Hotpants" camp happy. I sure enjoyed it. <snicker> BTW, whoever posted about Dawn's resemblance to Faith, I think that's very interesting. My friends and I have had a few discussions about just what the monks took out of Buffy to make Dawn. If they were still taking from Buffy when Faith switched bodies, isn't it possible that Dawn got a piece of our favorite rogue slayer? Just a thought.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:29 a.m. CST

    cooper2000,you're a idiot

    by allnamesaretaken

    the guy from six feet under is the one who wrote the anya episode,Drew GODdard.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 11:50 a.m. CST

    production screw-up

    by Darth Lechon

    Also, I'm gonna have to go with Anyawatcher and just chalk up Spike's reflection as a production oversight. I mean, its not the first one to happen. How many times have we been treated to a shot of the BATTLE OF THE STUNT-DOUBLES!!!! As early as last season, I picked up on two goof-ups. In "Once More With Feeling", on the close in during Sarah's song "When We're Together", I saw a corner of the matte box shadow hit Sarah's shoulder just before she stepped forward. Also, in "Two To Go", when Buffy and Xander are walking through the forest after Anya has teleported away, there's a big shadow on Buffy that looks suspiciously like a steadcam operator.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I thought "Beer Bad" was the worst episode ever, but we have a n

    by Lt. Torello

    This was God-awful. The "Buffy" and "Angel" staffs are fighting over this guy?! Even "Hidden Hills" would be preferable to any more eps written by this Greenberg or Goddard or whatever Herc calls him.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Some of you people are really hard to please.

    by rev_skarekroe

    I thought it was the first really funny episode since the memory one last year. Can't wait for the inevitable Xander/Spike as Odd Couple episode. sk

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Fun, Throwaway Epi. What's Wrong with You Cretins?

    by Mr. Smegma

    Yeah, a little squirmy with the Sunnydale High scenes, but goddamn at least it was different. Great shit with the bazooka, the Pizza Barn burnout brother, and Dawnie's ho down. (Maybe someone should burn the Bronze down. Think of all tight little asses that have gone hog wild there. Magicks.) Buffy was actually dressed and styled as a pretty, adult female and SMG clearly relished the soap redux lines. Made you remember what a hot little minx she can be and I swear she looked a little pumper. Yum. Willow got saddled with the dork hairdo this week, though. That train stunt did suck ass and I think that goes to the biggest problem I think folks are having - the direction. For some reason felt real flat and choppy and some of the staging and blocking looked weird. Spike and Xander grabbing the jacket looked dopey as hell. Made BtVS feel like just another TV show.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Buffy/Faith Switch

    by Jyoti

    It's not possible that the monks could have taken the blood during the Buffy/Faith switch. Why you may ask? I'll tell you why ... because as said constantly during the Glory era episodes, only the blood of the Key could open and close that portal. Hence, when Dawn's blood opened the portal, Buffy's was the only other person whose blood could have closed it. If it had been Faith's blood then Buffy would have sacraficed herself for nothing because she'd have just splattered on the pavement and the portal would still have been opened until Giles had tossed Dawn over the side of the scaffold.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Smegma

    by Qwerty Uiop

    It wasn't a bazooka, it was a anti tank rocket launcher... just nitpicking... carry on.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:12 p.m. CST

    to rev_skarkroe: wrong Drew

    by 93curr

    You're thinking of Drew Goddard -he's the new guy that B and A were fighting over (A got DeKnight instead in a trade) -Drew Greenberg was stolen away from 'Queer As Folk' by Joss hisself, word has it. And, hey, if anyone's still curious about my constant ranting re: Anya's pendant in the last episode, the other Drew (Goddard) posted his explanation over at the VIP Archive @ the Beta Bronse. It's a damn fine response. (And, no he doesn't use the excuse that Anya lied about the occurrences at the end of 'Doppelgangland') It's motivation-centric, not plot-centric.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by 93curr

    Sorry. That should have been addressed to Lt. Torello, not Skakroe. My bad. Ain't there any way to edit these posts?

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 3:18 p.m. CST

    to darth lechon (I think-I've made mistakes before)

    by 93curr

    Production screwups? Spike reflections? Hell, let us not forget that the last time we saw Spike's reflection was in ANOTHER Greenberg script -'Older And Far Away' -right at the end, as he's walking out the door, you can see his reflection quite clearly. Directors must just hate Greenberg. No idea why. But, if not, it's one helluva coincidence.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Smegma...

    by rev_skarekroe

    I think Spike and Xander grabbing the jacket was supposed to look silly. It was a nice moment imho, where they look at each other like they've got this complex plan, but then they just run up and swipe the guy's coat. Well, I thought it was funny. sk

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Everyone's focus on the reversal of a little angel

    by chickenmonkey

    distracts from the real laugh to be found in that scene -- 2 seconds later, when burnt-out pizza brother says he was worried about RJ because of the "poetry he'd written himself" -- William (er, Spike) gives the most amazingly inscrutable over-the-shoulder double-take. Just shows that Marsters is a god, even in an episode where he only has, what, four lines?

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Last Night

    by A-Train2000

    The scene out side the principal's office was priceless. I'm so glad there is humor in this show again. On to something else, on the Angel message board people were acting like Joss had reached levele of debauchery only Larry Flynt could dream of with the misdirection of Conner/Cordy hook up. Yet it sparks no controversy when Buffy nearly hasd sex with that kid in an empty class room. I know people will rush to the defense of Buffy being under a spell, but to the morality police on the Angel board it doesn't that that should matter. Hey Qwerty Uiop, where was your soap box for this episode? Weren't you the one who was preaching Adult+Minor=WRONG! just a few days a go?

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 7:09 p.m. CST

    allnamesaretaken

    by cooper2000

    Why am I an idiot? You ruined my day because you dont like me. :( Episode still sucked though. I think someone else put it best. Last nights episode made this show seem just like any other show. Its nowhere near the quality it used to be. As just any other show its ok but its No "Buffy".

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 8:30 p.m. CST

    A-Train2000, too dimwitted to understand the difference? You Ma

    by Qwerty Uiop

    For many reasons, all having to do with the fact that these are two completely different situations. A). Buffy didn't have sex with the kid in this episode. B). She was under a love spell that was the POINT of this episode. C). What most of you slope-foreheaded retards neglected to notice last week was that I was also saying that I didn't think there was going to be a relationship between Connor and Cordy, for the very reason that it is sick and only a sweeps trick to ensure viewership. And added that if they do have the relationship than it is sick. D). Fucking children is still wrong and I don't believe pedos like you keep arguing against that. Finally E). I didn't bother with it for the reasons stated above, but had the situation been different, I still would have kept my soapbox put away because the massive amount of pervos and penthouse forums fans on these TBs shocked me, and I realized the futility of trying to teach monkeys to speak, if you catch my meaning. No offense Chickenmonkey, you speak just fine. ATrain, if you want your masturbatory pedo fantasies, than have at it. Sicko.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 8:31 p.m. CST

    It's all a bit too simple with Spike..

    by Mr Smartypants

    He's reintegrated back into the scoobies far too easily. I was really hoping that his ambiguous look of surprise/horror(?) when he stabbed worm-guy was because his chip wasn't working - it would have been such a cool subplot and a way to differentiate him from Angel. It would make sense in the same way that his chip doesn't register Buffy for it to no longer work at all now he's different. What a great, twisted irony it would be if the result of his quest to become good was the very thing that freed him to be evil, and he had to make a real choice - especially if he faltered at first and tried to be the Big Bad again. Having a soul doesn't make you perfect...

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 8:34 p.m. CST

    get out Get Out GET OOOOUUUUT!!!!!!!!!!!

    by chickenmonkey

    Thank god no more whiney Dawn. I was so dreading the shriekage during her flop on the bed. And whoever selected the songs for this ep deserves mad props. I'm surprised and grateful that they didn't go for "modern pop" crap sung by one of those 17-year-old girls and her piano (I won't name names so as not to offend any teeny-bopper fangrrrls out there). As for all those haytas out there who thought this ep was crap -- I for one have never laughed so hard during Buffy since... gosh... I don't know when. Season 6 really WAS a downer, wasn't it? I'm glad they're bringing back the funny. And I think "a thousand gallons of no" is much better than a world thereof. To continue the complete randomness of this post (I think I've been infected by SYSTEM MAINTENANCE's sequencing), here's an interview with Tom Lenk (Andrew) about his return to the show. Oh, and he mentions you in the article. Yes, you. http://actionadventure.about.com/library/weekly/2002/aa110402.htm

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Qwerty -- No offense taken.

    by chickenmonkey

    I all actuality, it truly is a futile endeavor to teach monkeys to speak. All I can manage most days is "Ook ook eek ook squawk ook get off the damn table you stupid cat ook." That's why I mostly type everything out -- and I do mean EVERYTHING. 'Cause nobody can read my chicken scratch

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Mr. SmartyPants

    by chickenmonkey

    YES! YES! 200 cubic centimeters of YES! Why didn't the writers go for that angle? I think that scenario would have been FAR more interesting than the "Crouching Madman, Hidden PlotPoints" James Marsters was recently suffering through. (Even though I did like the puzzle of his monologues.) And of course, now that he's no longer tormented by visions, he gets almost NO lines. Speaking of Diet Vanilla Angel (sorry, I'm no good at fat jokes), shouldn't Spike, as a vampire, have been repulsed by touching an angel? I know I'm repulsed by the show... (Buh dum CHSSSHH! I know, I know...) Seriously -- is it only crucifixes and holy water that do it -- things consecrated by a priest? If so, could you theoretically get priests to, say, consecrate a sofa -- like a whoopie cushion for vampires? And hey, why didn't Connor just get a priest to consecrate the whole Pacific Ocean and boil Angel alive, er, undead? Hmmmm... This deserves further ponderationings...

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Chickenmonkey

    by Qwerty Uiop

    "And hey, why didn't Connor just get a priest to consecrate the whole Pacific Ocean and boil Angel alive, er, undead?" Because all that greasy fat in the water would have been an environmental disaster and garnered too much attention. Not to mention, the pollution. Would you want to swim in Angel fat? No thanks.

  • Nov. 6, 2002, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Ah. Now there's a fat joke done right.

    by chickenmonkey

    Here's a non-fat joke my old topologist roommate found exceedingly hilarious: What did the mathematician do when he got constipated? Worked it out with a pencil. Ah, math major jokes. Few and far between -- for a reason.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 1:07 a.m. CST

    To: Jyoti Re: Buffy/Faith Switch

    by Darth Lechon

    Actually, what I was thinking was more along the lines of personality traits. Dawn isn't just made up of Buffy's blood, she's been carved into her life history. The monks inserted her into every facet of Buffy's life. What I was getting at is that the magic the monks were using to figure out where Dawn fits into Buffy's life may have gotten its signals crossed for a bit when Faith was inhabiting Buffy's body. Dawn may not have Faith's blood running through her veins, but she might have a few brain cells that share a resemblance.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Angel's soulful reflection

    by turk128

    Hmmm... last I checked, vampires not having souls and therefore no reflections was part of their mythology. As for Angel, like Toonimator pointed out, didn't he aquire his soul under much different circumstances? Just one question: was it even Angel's own soul that he himself acquired? I remember something about him sacrificing his soul for something or another....

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Soul Conversation

    by hollygirl

    Hi, longtime viewer and reader of these talkbacks but this is my 1st post. I have a question that I'm sure one of you can answer. Did I miss a conversation/announcement of Spike getting his soul back to the scoobies? I'm assuming it happened off camera cause the opening scene of "Him" when Buffy is talking to Xander and she says "he has a soul now" was just matter of fact like she had already told them. If it did happen off camera I think we were robbed of the scoobies' reactions. Also, does Buffy realize that Spike did it for her? She doesn't seem to acknowledge it - the scoobies should know that as well.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Chickenmonkey and general silliness

    by GypsyTRobot

    you are comedic gold. Don't ever stop posting, we need levity in the ME TB's! + This was a very silly episode. I vacillated between thinking "man this is stupid" and laughing my head off. In a way it's no different from Doublemeat Palace or the loanshark demon - funny and stupid at the same time. What the hell, might as well laugh at it. er and Dawn was treading on the line of being annoying, but perhaps that's because I'm not a straight male and not so easily won over by her nubile charms.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Personality Switch

    by Jyoti

    Dawn acquiring Faith's personality traits due to Buffy and Faith's switch. eh ... Dawn doesn't seem remotely like Faith to me. Hell she doesn't even seem that much like Buffy for that matter. She's just got that competitive younger sibling vibe, where she resents everyone and everything because Buffy would have done everything and gotten to experience everything long before she did.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 3:31 p.m. CST

    qwerty uiop

    by A-Train2000

    If you were half as intelegent as you are pretenious you would realize I never condoned either activity between minors and adults on the sets of Angel or Buffy. As a matter of fact I don't but I also realize that it is TV, takes place in a fictional fantasy world and is not real. I was just curious as to why you could leave 10-20+ posts citing your rightous comdenation of your moral standards on the Angel TB and not say anything on the Buffy TB. Do your convictions only run deep on one show? Just as I predicted you ran for shelter under the "Buffy was under a spell" clause. You adamantly stated countless times that Adult+Minor=WRONG! PERIOD! NO QUESTION! If you trult felt that way then a spell shouldn't matter, you should be offened that Joss would even produce a show that had that kind of content. You just show yourself for what you are. Not someone with imaculate convictions just someone who scans the TBs looking to start crap and incite trouble for your own jollies and empowerment. It is really sad, you poor dumb douche bag.

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Aren't you a perceptive little thing, Atrain.

    by Qwerty Uiop

    "I was just curious as to why you could leave 10-20+ posts citing your rightous comdenation of your moral standards on the Angel TB and not say anything on the Buffy TB." Maybe you should reread the posts, they were responses to pervos like yourself that were trying to find loop holes within the moral and ethical problem of fucking children, so that they could enjoy their masturbation. Also, I don't believe I was condeming my own moral standards, I believe I was stating and defending them. Good try with the big words, though, buddy. "Do your convictions only run deep on one show?" No, I pretty much think fucking children is wrong in any situation. But once again, on that particualr TB, I first posted that while I believed it to be a ratings trick on Angel and didn't think anything would happen, if something did, it would be sick. "Just as I predicted you ran for shelter under the "Buffy was under a spell" clause." Well, look the fuck out Nostradamus, theres a new prophet in town. You have to admit, it is a pretty unique situation. Its not like it happens every day, you know. "You adamantly stated countless times that Adult+Minor=WRONG! PERIOD! NO QUESTION!" And it still is. "If you trult felt that way then a spell shouldn't matter, you should be offened that Joss would even produce a show that had that kind of content." Unlike you with your air tight, unwavering ethical standards, I'm willing to allow for a little farcical lee way, simply because I understood that the "love jacket" episode was, at its heart, a joke episode. So, if you reread the postings that you're salivating over, you'll see the debate was less about what was happening on Angel and more of an attempt to dissuade perverts from thinking that fucking children is okay. But if thats what you're into man, fine. Go on with your bad self. As for the accusation that I enjoy causing trouble, well... heh, heh, I do enjoy watching the nerds get all riled up and pissy. Isn't that the point of Talkbacks?

  • Nov. 7, 2002, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Hey! Beer Bad Good!!

    by Drath

    God, why do people slam that episode, I loved it. Ending with those smug college snobs, the "future of our country," de-evolved into ape men and humping each other in the backseat of a minivan just made me laugh too hard to be a bad episode. Buffy's obsession with Parker felt petty for the character, but it was ended with that episode and in a satisfying way. ------------- Speaking of Parker, is that who the vampire was in the preview for next week? If now, have we seen that guy before? He was all vamp face so I didn't recognize him, but I don't think he was anyone from the Highschool days. Whoever he is, I expect he'll be dust before that scene is over. I wonder what purpose he serves? Making Buffy feel unsatisfied about her life's direction post high school again? Hopefully it'll be good. ------------- This episode worked well enough for me. I concur with the theory that the Scooby women were affected more strongly by the jacket because of their ties to mysticism. I still think Willow turning RJ into a girl would have been good no matter what they did with it, but I do think it was forced to have Willow hung up on his being a guy. Oz meant something, dammit! Trying to rewrite that history is as bad as homophobia in my opinion. But regardless, I like gay Willow and it provided one of the funnier moments. What I think is going to be a problem is if they don't quit with the foreplay soon. We really don't need any more filler episodes. Season 6 was slow, can't this one, since it's *probably* the last, have tons of intrigue, numerous plots, and memorable gothic characters? Screw reeling in outside viewers! If they aren't watching by now, they're shit! Let's get on with the big bad! Watchers Council! English Witches Coven! First Evil and First Slayer! I still hold out hope FE will appear as all the Big Bads simultaneously like the Buffy Legion of Doom--since we now know Amber Benson won't be back(shit).

  • Nov. 8, 2002, 3:11 p.m. CST

    souls

    by Linda

    When Anya is a vengance demon is she a souless thing?

  • Nov. 9, 2002, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Buffy Sweeps -- "Him"

    by Weeza

    It seems that a lot of fans are not happy with this episode. But it is simply the writers way of getting back to some of the silly humor that the sixth season had lost. So many fans have complained that season six was "too dark" also the "back to the beginning" reference makes me think that they will be incorporating things from past seasons into this one. For example, they made reference to "Bewitched bothered and bewildered" from season 2 and that guy "Lance" that xander went to school with was a pizza delivery boy with a set up in his parents basement, just like xander in season 4. If I were you I'd pay close attention to the dialouge. In my opinion, things on Buffy aren't always what they seem so pay very close attention. I've been watching since the very beginning and in the Buffy world, there is a reason for everything. What may seem silly and pointless to some fans may actually be important factors as to where this season is taking us. "Him" was a lot different from Buffy eps we've recently seen in the past but I personally thought that the dialouge was very good and the ep itself had an important message that ultimately will lead to the point that Joss Whedon is trying to make. So my advice is to keep watching and keep the faith because I'd be willing to bet that the final destination of this season will suprise us all!!