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A Report on Some EPISODE 2 IMAX Trimmings!

Published at: Oct. 30, 2002, 4:48 a.m. CST by staff

Hey folks, Harry here with Boom-Boom Bangs, she's a hot dame that was serving many at the All Night Horror-Thon here in Austin and while... well, you'll read below, but she's 100% reliable. Seems like George was making some good cuts! Here ya go...

Hi Harry-poo,

I just heard an interesting bit of Star Wars info I thought you'd want to know about. A 'friend' of mine was licking my ear and decided to let a few hot breathy words out that he saw the IMAX screening of "Episode 2" and said it FUCKING ROCKS. That got my nipples hard just thinking about it!

He said it's the best Star Wars experience he's ever had - period. And no, he didn't mean that type of period you perv! And what makes it especially sweet is that Lucas cut the meadow scene! The scene of Ani and Amidala frolicking in the field? Gone. Bye bye. My bosom heaves a sigh of relief. Also cut is my favorite bad Star Wars line, which is "I'm Owen Lars, this is my girlfriend Beru." Helloooo, that was so 1983 FACTS OF LIFE!

As I was coming up for air, I asked my friend if a dose of reality hit Lucas in the cutting room, and he said apparently the scenes were cut for "technical reasons." Yeah, right! Because they technically blew like Honey Shayne, and that one drags the teeth darling! Due to the IMAX platter form, the film cannot be any longer than 2 hours, so some cuts had to be made. Interesting that those scenes are what Lucas chose to cut. I can't wait to see this! Absinthe, anyone?

Boom-Boom Bangs

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  • Oct. 30, 2002, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Who Cares?

    by Beatrice_Kidd

    2-story tall shit is still shit.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 5:04 a.m. CST

    These prequels are nonsense w/o Gary Kurtz, John Dykstra, Marcia

    by electrodyne

    Ever notice these 4 talents all worked on the two best Star Wars films, those being Episodes 4 & 5?? Specifically Gary and Marcia. Like Ike and Tina Turner once proclaimed "'Nuff said!"

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Hayden was surprised me in "Life As A House"

    by electrodyne

    I caught parts of it while at a friend's house last week. That movie was hokey, but given the type of film it was, my mind changed about Hayden's acting abilities, which confirms what we've known since May 25, 1999: Lucas can't direct, or simply doesn't want to cause he doesn't care about $tar War$. These "avant garde" film he wants to make in 5 years should be... ummmm...interesting...as interesting as Mr. Whipple squeezing the Charmin, that is.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 5:16 a.m. CST

    That is, "Hayden surprised me in Life As A House"

    by electrodyne

    They not learned me no good grammah in skool.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Looks like, 'ELECTRODYNE' was impressed with 'Life as a House'?!

    by chuckrussel

    'nuff said

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 5:40 a.m. CST

    I loves you Chuckie Russell

    by electrodyne

    Hey slandering ChuckieRussell, I'm retarded enough to accidentally hit the 'back' button instead of refresh, which unbeknownst to me, caused the multiple postings. However, re-read my post about 'Life As A House', and you'll find I wrote I was impressed with Hayden's ACTING given the framework. The film itself, (what bits were caught of it) were hokey and generic. This was also clearly stated in the post. Best regards, mate.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Obviously a woman reviewer....

    by CoolDan989

    You don't see many of those on this site anymore. Anyway, I love Attack of the Clones, but I won't be seeing it on IMAX anytime soon. This is because about 4 years ago I saw an IMAX movie and got the fucking crap scared out of me. IMAX is just so fucking realistic you find yourself studying the wardrobes of the people next to you instead of looking at the screen.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Your Forgetting the part:...

    by DoggyDaddi

    Where zombie Bruce Paltrow pops open Anikins head and eats his brain and then sets off the bomb in his ribcage. But I'll still probably buy the DVD when it comes out :/

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Sherlock Holmes

    by t-squared

    "Obviously a woman reviewer" Brilliant deduction Watson!! Was it her reference to hard nipples or her "bosom" that really tipped you off? Geez. Please tell me you're under 16 years old and I'll feel much better knowing that you can't legally drive a car or drink alcohol. I'll be able to sleep better tonight knowing. P.S. If Lucas cuts all the scenes in which Amidala speaks to Anakin I would find it a much better movie. Focus on Obi-Wan, the Sith and Yoda and you've got a brilliant movie. Cut the future Darth Vader to a minimum and you've got the brilliance that was Star Wars.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 7:17 a.m. CST

    What about ALL the OTHER shitty scenes?

    by KONG33

    And dialogue? They should just remake it. ANyway, Life As A House I like only because it has a boy obsessed with death and a girl who is careless about sex (jumping into other's showers!) but they both learn about death and sex from their parents who are dealing with much more serious consequences of those subjects at an important axis in their lives. In the press junket, you never heard anyone give that view, I don't see it as a comedy, but it has the best ending line ever.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Why must Lucas always make these changes?

    by Jabbathenutt

    Everyone who wanted to see the movie has, and already saw the "Meadow Scene". What's the point of changing it now? The man is obsessed, and he definately will be making a final trilogy before all is said and done.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Oh well...

    by Southpaw_Samurai

    I most likely wasn't going to see it on an IMAX screen anyway. My current two viewings is enough AOTC on any big screen. I happen to be one of the ones that finds Ep2 just...well...lackluster. It's not dreadful and it has a few bright points, but to me it just plods. To me, if you cut almost all the Anakin/Amidala stuff out, you'd have a much better movie (but then it would've been an Obi-wan adventure and not a Star Wars Anakin arc episode). Still, it's sad to hear that the meadow scene was completely removed. While goofy and the acting/directing is poor, I felt the whole 'well, somebody ought to tell everyone how to think' part is important to Anakin's psyche. Here he is, in a beautiful setting next to an attractive girl and he very calmly and nobly espouses the virtues of a fascist dictatorship. Some may call it heavy handed, but I do think it showed that he believes it is a good thing...that this singular leader would be more of a shepherd. Oh well...

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Hey Jabba...

    by MPJedi2

    I guess you've not been paying attention. These cuts _have_ to be made to play in the IMAX format. It has nothing to do with Lucas "making changes" for the sake of that. They cut 20 minutes from APOLLO 11, and that sucks too, but it wasn't because they wanted to. You want to bash, fine, but read the damn story first....

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Marcia Lucas?

    by MPJedi2

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Marcia Lucas?

    by MPJedi2

    Now we're going to proclaim _Marcia Lucas_ one of the cornerstones of STAR WARS? The woman who ran off with one of her husband's employees? Grabbing as much of that fat pot of cash as she could in the process. Come on!

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Can we get some more TTT news?

    by MinasTirithII

    Not sure why I had to listen to this chick telling me about her nipples getting hard for ATOC on IMAX? In fact, it makes me want to see ATOC again even less. Saw it all of 1 time and that was enough. Face it, the series is dead, there is just nothing exciting about it anymore.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Boom Boom's a guy with . . .

    by sanjuro

    . . . an insatiable penchant for anal sex. Hayden keeps growing on me. Don't know why. He's the only watchable thing in Life as a House.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 9:04 a.m. CST

    electrodyne, chuckrussel called you "retarted"

    by durhay

    Whatever that means.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Why the stupid 'cutsie' reviews and blurbs here?

    by KingKarll

    Watch. Me get in character. Is time for Keel Moose and Squirrel. Review not worth it. Fearless Leader cut out bad parts? Should cut out self as director. Put Moose in Rocket with Anankin. Move Moose to Clone operation. Put Moose in charge of Death star. Have moose design vent duct for future Proton torpedo hits. Cut out bad kid actor from all future screenings of film. Bring to Hiney Bowe Dry cleaning Film Festival nearby. And enjoy.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Star Wars blows! Rocks! Sucks! Rules!

    by Eyegore

    I agree with all the other guys saying star wars sucks. A kid could have made that crapfest with a fisher price camcorder. The special effects were so bad I could see all the wires. And the acting was worse than my junior high school play. George lucas is a hack...he'll never amount to anything, and he might as well release Ep3 straight to video because no one is going to want to see it, much less pay for it. Oh wait, is it cool to like star wars again? Whatever. I always loved Star Wars. Can't wait t see Ep3. George lucas is god! Huh? I don't know...whatever everyone else is saying, that's my opinion only better. I'm just pissed I couldn't read fast enough to get that scrolling yellow text in the beginning. I hate movies with words on them.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 9:34 a.m. CST

    oh, as for more TTT news.....

    by KingKarll

    good Christ-what, the Poster wasn't enough for your 48 hour fix there Minus Morgul? Waah-they didn't tawk about Bored of the RinKs here-WAH etc etc. Get a life. TTT opens in 6 weeks and you will have Nothing but scenes of walking green Trees, guys in Orc suits and little Italian barefooters running around with a CGI Peter Lorre being discussed Ad fucking Nauseum here 'til then. Can't wait to see Ricky Shroeder AKA Legolamb doing his Braveheart bit too. Always fun.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Don't insult people with jobs by calling that thing a reviewer

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    Why is it everyone working on this site bar Moriarty has the libido and hormones of a 12 year old? No woman writes that kind of shit, neither does an adult male. Jesus Suffering Fuck, grow up all of you. I don't want to read a Blade II "review" which is the literary equivalent of a letter to Penthouse; or read about someones thoughts on the new Charlies Angels poster, or listent o the rants of some shithead, thinking that if they write about an imaginary sex-life, everyone will think they are cool!! People want to read the news, not sift through the musings of some Syphilitic Fuck. Sucks to be you.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Don't insult people with jobs by calling that thing a reviewer

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    Why is it everyone working on this site bar Moriarty has the libido and hormones of a 12 year old? No woman writes that kind of shit, neither does an adult male. Jesus Suffering Fuck, grow up all of you. I don't want to read a Blade II "review" which is the literary equivalent of a letter to Penthouse; or read about someones thoughts on the new Charlies Angels poster, or listent o the rants of some shithead, thinking that if they write about an imaginary sex-life, everyone will think they are cool!! People want to read the news, not sift through the musings of some Syphilitic Fuck. Sucks to be you.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Don't insult people with jobs by calling that thing a reviewer

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    Why is it everyone working on this site bar Moriarty has the libido and hormones of a 12 year old? No woman writes that kind of shit, neither does an adult male. Jesus Suffering Fuck, grow up all of you. I don't want to read a Blade II "review" which is the literary equivalent of a letter to Penthouse; or read about someones thoughts on the new Charlies Angels poster, or listent o the rants of some shithead, thinking that if they write about an imaginary sex-life, everyone will think they are cool!! People want to read the news, not sift through the musings of some Syphilitic Fuck. Sucks to be you.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Apologies for Triple Posting - AICN was having trouble

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    NT

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 3:41 p.m. CST

    IMAX - UMAX - WE ALL MAX!

    by Lord Mall

    I'll be at the back of the clIMAX theater having sex with this wild crazy chick who only does it in IMAX theaters. <> http://www.geocities.com/lord_mall

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Episode II is the only film that matters this year...at least we

    by Atticus Finch

    I can't wait until 2005...Episode III and Indy IV. The summer of George (Lucas, not Costanza)!

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Dear Fettastic:

    by mtoast

    Do you imply that LOTR fans are somehow uncool? Hmmm. But maniacally jerking off to Yoda's lightsaber prowess and hanging around George Lucas's a$$hole waiting for table scraps is somehow the height of sophistication and good taste? You poor deluded virgin. Those who live in glass star destroyers shouldn't fire blasters. I hope you enjoy high school when you get there -- in a few years!

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Warren Zevon on Letterman tonight (10/30)

    by the G-man

    Legendary singer-song writer Warren Zevon, recently diagnosed with operable lung cancer, will make what could be his farewell performance on tonight's (Wed, Oct 30) episode of the CBS Late Show with David Letterman. The Late Show website lists Zevon as tonight's only guest. In addition, radio host Howard Stern reported that the entire episode will be a tribute to the rocker. The Late Show airs on CBS at 11:30 pm EST. Check local listings. Zevon, one of rock music's wittiest and most original songwriters, received the cancer diagnosis in August. His representatives made the announcement that the cancer was untreatable last month. The author of such hits as "Werewolves of London," "Poor, Poor, Pitful Me" and "Hasten Down the Wind," Zevon has long been a favorite of Letterman, making frequent guest appearances, and even serving as substitute band leader when Paul Shaffer was unavailable. A frequent collaborator with artists such as Jackson Browne, R.E.M and Don Henley, Zevon's songs have been covered by such artists as Linda Ronstandt, Stevie Nicks, Hank Williams, Jr. and the Grateful Dead. Earlier this month, Rhino records released a greatest hits album, "Genius, the Best of Warren Zevon."

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Hey Fetttastic, do you know what inflation is?

    by Dirk Protostar

    Big fucking deal if aotc passes empire on the all time list. Its a meaningless list when you factor in inflation. Check out boxofficemojo.com and you'll see that every star wars movie has made less in adjusted dollars than the last. And do you honestly think that spielberg is gonna rerelease a classic like ET just to make a couple bucks so it can pass a piece of shit like the phantom menace. Puh-leez.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Apollo 13 was cut too

    by zenchaos

    They cut scenes out of the Apollo 13 Imax version as well.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 9:18 p.m. CST

    ok the dancing in the fields part sucked balls but the first hal

    by Tall_Boy

    where Anakin mentions someone telling how to run a government, Padme says "sounds alot like a dictatorshipt" and then he says "if it works" and gives her the dead eyed stare of a killer! that part was very cool.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 9:35 p.m. CST

    The 'Anakin riding the balloon beast' was lame, but does this me

    by Monkey_King

    That friggin creature looked like a balloon with legs and chipmunk coloring. Lucas has gone on record as saying that the scene with Ani riding on the back of the beast was one of the hardest FX shots in the film to get right. The scene with him falling off didn't look too good and the scenery looked too artificial, like something out of LEGEND or Dark Crystal. Was the Owen Lars cut necessary? He'll probably be in Eps III for mere seconds anyway, so it did make some sense to have it in the film.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 11:03 p.m. CST

    I'm in love!!

    by TestGiver

    You go girl! You're so right about how these cuts should have happened before.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Can we get through one SW Talkback without insecure LOTR homoese

    by Sea Bass

    You're here, you're queer, we're used to it. Crying midgets, prancing elves, dreamy sensitive guys with long hair and gay wizards are cooler than anything in Star Wars. If I grant you that, will you shut the fuck up about SW already? You see the title of the thread. If you don't like the movie, shut your man pleasers and move on.

  • Oct. 30, 2002, 11:49 p.m. CST

    umm...other than fettastic and you, sea bass...

    by The Killer-Goat

    I don't see any other post that made direct contrast of SW and LOTR films. Could be wrong, of course, but if you include KAW's post, he listed 3 movies at once against AOTC. Maybe you might consider it a compliment to AOTC that he made that 3 vs 1 comparison. And I have to agree that the first few lines of the 'meadow scene' shouldn't be cut out. It was good and dark foreshadowing, to contrast an initially 'pleasant' "love-scene". The rest was expendable.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 12:33 a.m. CST

    DO YOU ***KNOW*** HOW FREAKIN' AWESOME IT LOOKS WHEN YOU SEE YOD

    by Neil MacAuley

    I had the good fortune to attend the first public screening of "Apollo 13" in IMax (first public viewing of a feature length film on Imax in history? I dunno for sure, but it's possible) and before Apollo they had trailers, including the MOMENT I FOUND GOD, aka the Clones Imax trailer. Believe me, all, it's amazing. I don't care if you're not a Clones fan, this is going to kick your ass. Just the 1.5 minutes or whatever it was almost made me swallow my tongue, hell it was probably only 20 seconds I can't remember I was in a daze. Unparalleled cinematic experience, people. And the SOUND. HOLY CRAP THE SOUND. There's no sound system on earth like the Loews Lincoln Square IMax theater in New Yak City, the greatest city on this planet. The walls were bellowing , the seats were shaking. Unbe-queathable. George is probably mainly doing this for the sound potential. In closing, just learn this slogan, because remember it you will:..........SIZE MATTERS NOT, EXCEPT IN IMAX!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Okay that was supposed to be LIGHTNING bolts, gimme a break I'm

    by Neil MacAuley

    Just please imagine Nat Portman's tushie in tight white 2 stories tall. Holy bantha poodoo I wouldn't trade that thought for a feral nerfherder.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones

    by dbtayag

    To be honest with all of you guys, the first two big movies of 2002 were disappointments. I was eagerly awaiting the release of Spider-Man, and it was a half-decent movie. For Star Wars: Episode II-Attack of the Clones, it was a big disappointment but the battles at the end of the motion picture made up for it. I always think that George Lucas should let his friend Steven Spielberg direct the final episode of these space operas. His directing style is beneficial to the actors as well as the technical aspects of the film. George Lucas cannot direct but is a good screenwriter (for the episodes four and five at least). There should be no IMAX release, I just want the DVD now, so I can see the pure digital quality of Yoda versus Count Dooku on my new $100,000 home theatre. As for Episode II making money less than the last four episodes, that's bad because although Empire had three rereleases, tickets must have been $1.50, $2.50, and $6.50 maximum. Movie tickets can go as much as $11.50 in today's world.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 2:06 a.m. CST

    yeah, if you think about it, Portman's nipons have to be at leas

    by Tall_Boy

    dammit I wish it was in IMAX around here.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 2:35 a.m. CST

    It's an important scene, regardless if you like it or not.

    by Andy Travis

    To be honest, the whole Anakin/Padme fall in love thing is pretty hard to believe as it is. Now, without THAT scene, it's even weirder and creepier. If you have to hack out gigantic chunks of film to put it in IMAX theaters, why do it at all? Hell, from what I've heard most of the deleted scenes on the DVD sound like they should have been ADDED into the movie. Except the Jedi analysis droid scene, that's just pure shoe-leather.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Of course those scenes have been cut - the video looked shocking

    by TheGinger Twit

    My short film looked better transfered from 16mm digital video to 35 with better quality than some of episode 2's scene's... especially those outdoors scenes. they looked horible! I loved episode 2 but I strongly disagree with shooting episode 3 again with digital video. I expect much better from Lucas.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Um, fettastic...

    by Superdudebobby

    I'm sure Dirk Protostar does not give a rat's behind whether or not Star Wars, Gone with the Wind or any other film made more money than LOTR. He's just pointing out a legitimate issue: adjusting for inflation is mandatory when comparing box-office standings Whether or not those standings are meaningless anyway is a whole 'nuther debate, but they are *certainly* incomparable if you don't adjust. And yes, fans who feel the series has been slipping since '83 are somewhat vindicated knowing that every consecutive film has made less, with AOTC being the first to not even the #1 of the year spot (and both Harry Potter 2 and TTT may well pound it to *fourth* place, since HP1 and FOTR made significantly more, especially worldwide) One might argue that the magic has faded due to the poor quality of TPM and AOTC -- if that is the case, then Ep3 may well do even worse. But, like I said, it is all rather meaningless. Very few of my all time favorite films ever grossed more than $50M.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Ep II: Attack of the Hudsons

    by Skaetur

    Qui Gon: I sens an unusual amount of fear for something as trivial as a trade agreement. Hudson: Seventeen days? Look man, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen hours! Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here... Hudson: ...and they're gonna come in here AND THEY'RE GONNA KILL US!

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 12:39 p.m. CST

    What the hell are you trying to say Fettastic?

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    Magic fading? LotR didn't sell toys - what the fuck does that mean? Star Wars has more value because there are more Wookie Cookie Jars out there? Let's just take a small second here. Lord of the Rings is a film adapted from a book - its start was in literature, and became one of the most loved books of all time - IN NUMBERS SOLD, since that seems important to you (over 100 million copies sold). Then it became a movie. Star Wars, is and always has been - a franchise movie machine - selling shit is its rasion d'etre. If magic is measured in number of accessory units sold - then sure Star Wars is number one. But that's fucking stupid. You know what, you go and enjoy your AOTC - have fun. But don't try to tell me that it has as much meaning or impact as it used to - because it is a fading franchise - precisely because they are too focused on making toys and ancillary products to boost revenue - making the movie just seems like a necessary tactic at this point. Somehow I don't think focus groups and toy manufacturers are influencing the content of LotR. - cause it was there on the page 40 years before PJ stepped to the plate. Jesus, wake up.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 12:56 p.m. CST

    oh fettastic...

    by mtoast

    Control your anger, lest take you the dark side does. Raging about box office is so pointless. Who cares? Really. Critically Star Wars lost it long ago. But, again, who cares? See, if you like it and it makes you happy, no one can take that away from you. If you feel the need to turn it into a numeric contest, well I feel sorry for you. But I suppose if you LIKE turning it into a numeric contest, that's fine too. Clearly it means that much to you. I would point out, that your own "adjusted for inflation argument" works against you. But -- yet again -- who cares? There will always be millions or even billions of Star Wars fans. Those of us who think it's lost its way can't change that. It clearly still speaks to you on some profound level. Great. I haven't collected comics for a decade. But I still wander into the comic book shop now and then and peek into long-abandoned comics to see what's up with worlds and characters that I once enjoyed. I know the strong bond with a fictional world that you embrace at a specific point in your life. Hell, I grew up with Star Wars. I was seven in 1977 and had more action figures and ships than I can even remember. (I remember the pain it caused my parents to track down a Slave I for the Christmas of 1980!) At 13, I lined up for hours on the street to get into Return of the Jedi for its first Saturday matinee. So I wanted to like the new movies. Sadly, I don't. I'm glad that you do. Maybe even envious. But damn -- all these fervent posts and box office fundamentalism. Well, they make you look pitiful. Seriously. Go see Episode 3. Love it. I hope it makes enough money so that you can walk around with your chest pumped out for weeks. I hope that you love every second of it. Just take it easy, man.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 1:51 p.m. CST

    fettastic, lost my interest in your credibility...

    by The Killer-Goat

    when you started dissing classic films that are obviously older than you, and brought in toys as a supportive measure of a film's success. Face it, Lucas knows a huge part of the new SW films were invested to sell toys. Those profits are the majority of what funded his successive productions. Hasbro played that game too, but that don't make them great. Rarely do films invest to that line of marketing. I'm sure it's very prevalent that Lucas considers plots and characters for the movies and toylines; he has decisive input to the go-ahead of some really pointless gimmicks. It's a formula he's used before and he'll use it until the trilogy is finished. And the Spiderman icon has been around alot longer to pump for marketing than SW. "By your theory", Reservoir Dogs must really suck eggs because their new action figures aren't selling all that and they don't really have a very expansive toyline. :D And it's entirely possible that people who watched LOTR and Casablanca and Gone with the Wind were a little too old to buy toys. Harry Potter and SW are Family films, and they knew how to get parents money. Not being into toy lightsabers or rolling dice, I wouldn't know which is better. Most kids I know like the SW toys, but some haven't even developed the attention span or patience to sit down and read a book either (too busy on the game cube...). I have reasons for liking AOTC as much as LOTR, but I personally think dropping a DINER in the middle of the SW universe turned that scene into American Graffiti 3: "Ani's drag race".

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Inflation has nothing to do with the real world. You can't bring

    by WinSToN SMITHs

    Fettstic: "HE brought up the pussy-assed inflation crap which has no real connection to the real world in which we live." Jesus H Christ son, Take a fucking economics class. I must wonder why all the TOP TEN BLOCKBUSTERS lists go by PROFIT instead of TICKET SALES. Doesn't the term blockbuster refer to people standing in line and not an explosive amount of money

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 3:54 p.m. CST

    however

    by WinSToN SMITHs

    I should mention that while Fettastic is a complete fucking idiot, Boba Fett is the best Star Wars character and the Lord of the Rings (while in movie form anyway) is the most overrated shit ever. Star Wars sucks now but I'm the type of shallow prick that can get off on expensive special effects and space ship dogfights alone so I like it nevertheless. Peter Jackson's best film was Dead Alive and the best LOTR book was the Hobbit. (I know it's not part of the series but you know what I mean) ... Of course, I generally like spaceships more than bows and arrows so I guess that makes all the difference. And THAT is why LOTR fans and SW fans act like complete dumb asses in talk backs such as this. Just my opinion.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 4:08 p.m. CST

    "I kick ass for the Lord!"

    by dbtayag

    God, that's one of the best lines ever in a movie. Man, I really hate fanboys that say Star Wars rules, Lord of the Rings totally sucks. Or Lord of the Rings rules, Star Wars sucks. What's the problem with living in a world where Star Wars fans and Lord of the Rings fans can live together? Both films are great in their own right. And for the last time, George Lucas' best movie was Star Wars: A New Hope, period. Peter Jackson's was Braindead. The only way we could see these films face off if they are completed finished.

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 7:11 p.m. CST

    fettastic's right!

    by Superdudebobby

    He is! Well, about one thing: that the adjusted numbers remain problematic because you can't compare the different filmmaking eras. Not merely because there was no TV, no VCR, no Internet, but also because there simply weren't as many movies and certainly not as many so-called New Hollywood 'blockbusters'. The original SW was one of the first films of its kind -- now, they're a dime a dozen. Everybody and their mother-in-law has produced a knock-off in some form or other, including -- perhaps -- Lucas himself, certainly with Willow (which, plotwise, *is* the original trilogy, as has been pointed out many times before) and, though your mileage may vary, the new SW films. But, as I said before, the numbers, adjusted or otherwise, are practically meaningless anyway. They only tell you which films the unwashed and generally uncooth masses prefer, and then only what they like *at that time* (witness how poorly something as relatively recent as Independence Day has aged). As the saying goes, no-one ever went broke underestimating the American audience. Meanwhile, funky stuff like Fight Club and Being John Malkovich (to name just 1999's best American films) languish at the box office. Let's all stop counting beans and start seeking out the *real* new classics!

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 7:32 p.m. CST

    REALLY BIG STAR WARS NEWS!!! SERIOUSLY!!!

    by NoCureForFools

    George Lucas announced today that he will be scraping the Prequal films and is giving them over to some younger, hungrier and more talented directors and writers while retaining the title of Supreme Executive Producer. Said Lucas, "I woke up this morning and it just hit me -- these prequal films suck. They suck really, really bad. For a moment I considered suicide, then I considered blaming Joseph Campbell, but then realized, hey, I'm in the top ten of the most wealthy people in the galaxy, why not just burn these original embarrasments and hire a bunch of younger, more talented directors and writers who actually give a shit about Star Wars to make these films. I bet some of these newer guys like Peter Jackson or Sam Raimi, or heck, even Quentin Tarantino could turn out some great films. I even thought about giving David Lynch a call again, even though I blew him off with that Return of the Jedi. Boy, could you imagine how good ROTJ could have been if Lynch directed it? I guess I just had this weird muppet thing going on in my psyche at the time. Anyway, finally, this morning, I realized that it was time to be honest with myself -- clearly, I couldn't give a rats ass about this Star Wars thing. Star Wars, for me, is a marketing juggernaut. It's not about film-making, it's about making fist fulls of dollars. I mean, that original film was a fluke. When it made all that money I think I went a little bit insane. Luckily, I was young enough to run with it before I completely lost my mind... which happened not long after Empire Strikes Back came out and I fired all the people who made the first films so good so I could make Sesame Street in Space. Ha ha! Just kidding. But, I'm seriously, there is alot of competition out there in the market for EFX companies and these Star Wars products uh, i mean, films, are great advertorials for ILM, THX and that new digital thingamajig Sony invented for me. I mean, hell, they don't even have to be good and they still make kajillions of dollars. But, alas, the ghost of Alec Guiness appeared in my boudoir and he said -- 'Lucas! Lucas! You fucking creep! Acting in those original films haunted me to my dying day, but at least they were entertaining! What the hell are you doing with your legacy, you schmuck? You must undo what you have done... Oh, but thanks for casting Ewan as the younger me. That was nice.' And I realized, hey, the old fool is right! I am a fucking retard and i've lost my mind! Ha ha!" The interviewer, shocked by Lucas' candor asked, "why now, why not 10 years ago?" To which Lucas replied, "Well, look, I was rich and bloated and stupid. I had distanced myself form the real world and just got, well, really weird. you know I hadn't left the Ranch since like 1983? That's a long time. I guess I got a little retarded seeing as how the only real converstations I had were with my adolescent children... hence nearly career destroying mistakes like Jar Jar. Whew! What the hell was I thinking! Must have been something in the water! Ha ha! Anyway, you have nothing to worry about now, I have given the writers a very basic outline and am leaving the real film making up to them.... we're expecting a new Episode 1 sometime in 2004... we'll call this the Non-Sucking Edition! Ha ha! But, I'm seriously..." Good news, huh? I can't wait to see what the new, non-sucking versions will be like!

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 9:01 p.m. CST

    The prequels have been boring so far...

    by Gadras

    So what. I'm still praying that Episode 3 involves Obi-Wan bitch slapping Anakin so hard that he forgets his virgin birth. If they'd test the death star's main weapon on Naboo, that would be a nice touch. Just Picture It: Obi Wan doubles over. "It was as if a million voices suddenly cried out in terror." "Are you alright, Master Kenobi?" "Sure. Most of them were Gungans."

  • Oct. 31, 2002, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Toys

    by Darth Melkor

    I remember hearing a while ago by angry downers on this and other sites that Star Wars is dead and that the merchandise is proof. The merchandise line is a disaster and Hasbro is losing money and so on blah blah blah. Do these people just make up the news? Today it was announced that Star Wars is officially the biggest selling line of the entire year, over LOTR, Harry Potter, Spider-man, Disney, you name it. It's number 1. Interesting isn't it?

  • Nov. 1, 2002, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I agree, Winston, Fettastic is a complete fucking idiot

    by The Killer-Goat

    But mainly for resorting to name calling.

  • Nov. 1, 2002, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Thanks for brightening up my miserable day

    by WT

    Fettatastic clearly has some underlying issues (I strongly suspect he's a closet nufter. They tend to be the loudest). As for LOTR being "boring", are you measuring by special effects or whoosing noises? Someone literally said "I prefer lightsabers to bows and arrows". How immature is that? To be honest, I thought AOTC was a solid effort lacking a proper climax (PM for all its weaknesses had that exceptional lightsaber battle). As for LOTR, I was hugely sceptical, being a man that hates all things fantasy. Until that film. Like Gladiator, it is a worthy epic of a film, with a tremendous director and cast. Oh, and Fettatastic, you can stop polishing Boba's helmet now.

  • Nov. 1, 2002, 2:41 p.m. CST

    So I'm on my own?

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    I LOVE both Star Wars and LOTR. I thought AOTC was great and saw it 5 times in the cinema and I'm eagerly awaiting the DVD release. I loved FOTR, and can't wait for TTT. Why are there so many tossers that feel threatened by the other franchise. This goes to both LOTR and STAR WARS fans. And just for the record I do prefer Star Wars, but its a matter of opinion.

  • Nov. 1, 2002, 6:12 p.m. CST

    sigh

    by Fozzy

    I think star wars fans are just bitter that their franchise is waning and that the prequels suck so much. Time to put the prequels out of their misery and move on.

  • Nov. 1, 2002, 11:08 p.m. CST

    BIG STAR WARS NEWS. READ THIS! TRUE, TRUE, TRUE.

    by Master T-MACK

    Okay, we all have heard the fact that Lucas has blown the prequel trilogy, Lucas can't direct, the new films suck and take the life from Star Wars. Though I don't agree with this. Let me turn that fucking frown upside down. You know those Robert Caryle rumours? He's being cast as Grand Moff Tarkin for Episode III. I'm not bullshiting you either. This comes straight from Lucasfilm. Also, expect Han Solo and the Millenium Falcon to tie into EP3. Finally, have you heard that in Return of the Jedi, that Lucas planned to use a crystal planet for a scene. Well, Rick McCallum has been scouting the Blue Mountains in Australia and there are crystal caves in there. I know I'm posting kind of late, for this message board. But if you read this consider yourself fucking lucky. I didn't believe it at first either. But it's true man.

  • Nov. 2, 2002, 12:13 a.m. CST

    yyyooo

    by WinSToN SMITHs

    Someone said "i like lightsabers better than bows and arrows" is immature... It was kind of a metaphore for the overall fantasy themes of the two different movies. I mean they're both exactly alike in terms of the fantasy element, except SW has the little sci fi element. That's why LOTR and SW fans clash so much. They're so alike. But of course if I wrote it out to sound all sophisticated and mature... Well basicly when I see a post like that I see it as pretension and move on since if I want to see something well written and "mature" I can always just make the choice to go to a real film critics web site and not this crap, right?

  • Nov. 2, 2002, 12:33 a.m. CST

    fettaroni

    by WinSToN SMITHs

    Ticket sales may not perfectly reflect it... But it sure as hell makes a lot more sense than whether or not a movie paid for itself. It goes by how many people wanted to see it, be it from a good ad campaign, some national state of emergency or a butterfly flapping its wings in Kenya or wherever. The only thing money alone tells you is how fat the directors wallet got. Oh, and all the factors that affect ticket sales also applies to money, sooo maybe I'm just confused but hooow exactly do you have a point again? BTW, I hate to stoop to the level of the debate I've been bitching about, but the original Star Wars didn't have a built in fan base and scifi wasn't thought of as huge at the time, buuutt LOTR did so all it needed was a damned good director to cancel out the utter crap that was the animated versions to detonate a cash cow. God, I've sunken to my lowest.

  • Nov. 2, 2002, 12:58 a.m. CST

    BlalkBucker To post or not to post?

    by WinSToN SMITHs

    "Maybe it's time you started assuming your own identity. Ask yourself "Who is Eugene?" What are you aside from a LOTR fan? What do you want to do in life? What are your goals? What are your principals? WAKE UP people!" <p> This from someone with the screen name FETTASTIC, who's spending their time online in a Star Wars talk back preaching about how Star Wars is better than the Lord of the Rings... I'm pretty sure no one who even goes through the trouble to get an account here has the right to ever call anyone a geek again :) <p> Finally... I really think that the whole concept of a "blockbuster" should be thrown out altogether unless you're the ones deciding what's going to get the greenlight. What in God's name are supposed movie lovers/losers doing giving a shit about WHETHER OTHER PEOPLE GO SEE THEM.. Shit like that is why Britney Spears is like a multimillionaire now. Why even bring it up? <p> And for anyone who actually read this, I'm sorry.

  • Nov. 2, 2002, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Erratum, and comment for Fettastic

    by The Hillbrothers

    The other day I made a really stupid comment about Ian McKellen not being right for the part of Dumbledore in Harry Potter because his nose was too bulbous. Afterward I realized that of course Gandalf's nose was a prosthetic (although I still think he's not the best choice for a replacement...). But anyway, about this Fettastic guy-- he makes me embarrassed to be a SW fan, and I'm a big defender of AOTC (while recognizing its flaws, I must add). I just can't understand why ANYONE can't enjoy both series. His stupid criticisms of FOTR could easily be applied to any number of moments in the SW films: why wasn't Anakin hurt after the 100+ mph speeder crash in Coruscant? Why is Jango Fett so good at flying with the jetpack, when his son seems completely inept? Etc, etc. These silly little logical flaws should be entirely forgivable. These are both epic fantasies filled with eye candy (Harry Potter too, btw), and we should be thankful they are not carbon copies of each other. Fettastic's admitted inability to understand the fascination of roll-playing games is nothing more than an admission of a lack of imagination. He seems to have to have his imaginary adventures spoon-fed to him in the form of video games. Does he not understand the creative synergy which comes from interactive play? Writing your own story is cool, and if you have an idea for one, great, but sometimes a group of people bouncing ideas off each other, as can happen with roll-playing games, can provide a much richer storyline for an adventure than one can formulate alone. And to address you directly, Mr. Fettastic, I think you should make some new friends who are more open to different things, because if you fail to recognize the elements in LOTR which made SW cool for you in the first place, in that it was immensely influential to all things Fantasy/ Sci-Fi which followed, then you are limiting your opportunity to enjoy the genre as a whole. I think about this shit all the time, so please don't dismiss my comments out-of-hand. I'd really like for us all to get along here. And BTW, I have mixed feelings on the picnic scene is AOTC. The dialogue was poorly written-- it's juvenile at first, but I agree that Anakin's "Well then they should be made too (agree)" line is essential, and well-delivered. It's Portman who has the most trouble making the dialogue in these scenes believable. I'm a fan of the fireside scene, which I think is even more crucial to their development as lovers, but that's one of the scenes that, if you think about it , is not impaired by the dialogue as written. It's Natalie Portman, with her stiff "I will not give in to this" delivery, along with some of the other lines in that scene which makes me cringe a little. Christensen's performance, especially with the line, "It wouldn't have to be that way...," along with the excellent music for that scene, is what makes it so tragically poignant for me. Give the movie time, and many of you will learn to love it. It's really all in the details, which is something R.A. Salvatore, author of the AOTC novelization, mentioned at the book signing we had at the bookstore I work at. He's a really cool guy, btw, and a huge fan of both series (SW & LOTR). Thanks for reading-- HB

  • Nov. 2, 2002, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I got my AOTC dvd early yesterday......... HOLY GOD IT KICKS ASS

    by togmeister

    Just watch the 'Puppets to Pixels' docco and watch Christopher Lee's reaction when Luca$ shows him a Yoda puppet sporting Dracula fangs. Funniest damn thing i've ever seen. Of the deleted scenes, i like the analysis droid scene (though the droid does remind me a bit of Short Circuit's Johnny 5) and the Obi-Wan/Mace talk in the hangar (though the obvious bluescreen fringes around Ewan and Samuel L are distracting). The movie looks absolutely gorgeous on plasma screen.

  • Nov. 2, 2002, 10:13 p.m. CST

    man

    by Fozzy

    Keep giving Lucas your money, he can't get enough.

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 5:16 a.m. CST

    IMAX CLONES ROCKS

    by tarwig

    Just saw it MY GOOODNESS EVERY BAD LINE AND POINTLESS SCENE CUT!!!! This thing moved and had tension. Even the Love story was better because it was brutal,more deserate. I bye that she loved this ass and hated that she did but she did none the less. Somehow it works! I can't say enough if you are a fan GO SEE THE IMAX VERSION! Yes it is cropped but the Height of theimage the PRINT (better than the theatrical release) and the Sound make up for everything you loose. Only flaw is in the transfer some backgrounds are STRANGLY flat. Funny to watch really. Only a few. Ok that's my two cents Dave T.

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 12:29 p.m. CST

    by laguna_loire

    I have to add to the poor person above who stated that he loves both Star Wars and Lord of the Rings and can't understand the animosity towards one to another - sorry mate, its past that. Here in the UK we have people goading one-another over their favourite football teams, despite the fact the stupid beer-bellied goons NEVER played the fucking match themselves in the first place. Many people here tearing George a new asshole (or so they think) miss the point - they paid their bucks to see AOTC, and many of them went-in to the theatre to specifically attack the film for no good reason than hey!! It has to be done. Its gonna be the same with James Bond in a few weeks - stupid fuckers ruining everybody else's enjoyment with 'oh, Bond sux!! XXX RULEZ DUDEZ (and for the record, I enjoyed XXX, and await Bond greatly!!). I say if you love Star Wars, if you Lord of the Rings, James Bond, Harry Potter, and whatever else, go and enjoy'em - but ignore the cunts that raise stupid arguments in hope of a fight - they're chicken shit, pure and simple.

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 1:53 p.m. CST

    laguna_loire

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    Did you mean me??? If not it doesn't matter. I understand where you are coming from and totally agree. I'm from the UK too and its just stupid to see all these wee cunts trying to get their opinion over. Fair enough if they construct a fair criticism (and by fair I mean tell us why you think a film is good/bad). Nobody will take you seriously if all you say is "LOTR IS THE CORN IN MA POO!!!". Anyway, enough trolling for me, I'm away to a screening of Die Another Day. Woohoo.

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 1:53 p.m. CST

    laguna_loire

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    Did you mean me??? If not it doesn't matter. I understand where you are coming from and totally agree. I'm from the UK too and its just stupid to see all these wee cunts trying to get their opinion over. Fair enough if they construct a fair criticism (and by fair I mean tell us why you think a film is good/bad). Nobody will take you seriously if all you say is "LOTR IS THE CORN IN MA POO!!!". Anyway, enough trolling for me, I'm away to a screening of Die Another Day. Woohoo.

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 5:04 p.m. CST

    shut

    by SmartAss

    ...the FUCK UP ALL OF YOU ARE PUSSIES!

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 6:02 p.m. CST

    up

    by Master T-MACK

    Alright, someone has taken to much vicodin.

  • Clones remains one of the worst pictures of the year, ranking up there with Collateral Damage, Undisputed, K-19, and Scooby-Doo. it is an outright insult to us fans who deserve so much more.

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 8:52 p.m. CST

    by SmartAss

    Master T-Mack takes too many dicks up his ass. How immature is this? Oh well.....Anyway AOTC was a good film if not the best of the SW films (that is still ESB with AOTC # 2)!LOTR was ok but it's no Star Wars and when it's all said and done in cinema history all 6 films will have a greater impact than LOTR or Fairy Potter. How about a different debate X2 vs the Matrix Reloaded perhaps, because SW vs LOTR is getting old.

  • Nov. 3, 2002, 10:07 p.m. CST

    by Fozzy

    AOTC was the first star wars film where I kept looking at my watch throughout the film. Not a good sign. I cant even watch the unaltered original trilogy on DVD cause of that asshole Lucas. He has run the franchise into the ground but luckily there are new and better franchises to be excited about.

  • Nov. 4, 2002, 4:52 a.m. CST

    You completly ignored what I just said Fett

    by WT

    I said I don't normally like fantasy, so your stupid insults are irrelevant. Mind you, I agree that a lot of that fantasy stuff is funny, like the time I kept fiddling with the stuff in the shop. It's amazing how protective those people get... Besides "X is better than Y" arguments should be left to five year olds don't you think. I thought LOTR was a good film, as was AOTC. Nothing more.

  • Nov. 5, 2002, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Thanks Laguna

    by WT

    I feel it's a shame that attitude has to spill over here. I admit (being a Norwich City supporter) at anti-Ipswich feeling, but that's also because I don't like the place and the arrogant attitude of the management. But still, rivalry with films is silly, especially when you consider they're along similar lines (I know one's fantasy and one's sci-fi etc, but think about it).

  • Nov. 12, 2002, 6:11 a.m. CST

    watch the skies

    by loneclone

    It is interesting to note, that in these uncertain political times, creators of texts are turning more and more to themes that hark back to our darkest times; in this case, war. Charlotte Grey (2002), Saving Private Ryan (1998), The Thin Red Line (1998), We Were Soldiers (2002) all attempt to make sense of the futility of war and the effect on the human spirit. We have since had The Lord of the Rings (2002) in which the effects of the Industrial Revolution have inexorably led to a greater global conflict. On television, programmes like The Cazalets (2001) and The 1940s House (2001) have explored the effects of World War II on the ordinary citizen. In the first Star Wars (1977 - 1983) films, George Lucas had referenced the causes and effects of World War II. Now he gives us Star Wars Episode 2: The Attack of the Clones (2002) in which, he attempts to lay some blame on the politicians who draw society into the trap of war. Of course Lucas, like Spielberg, has always been interested in the 1930s and 1940s through the films, design, values and attitudes of the periods. These directors are not just harking back to a `golden age' of filmmaking. Instead, they are referencing them to make sense of them historically and to make modern audiences question their own values that have become blurred since WWII ended. In Clones, when Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) stands alone looking out over a balcony onto a serene lake on the planet Naboo, his posture and the camera angle reference Hitler doing much the same thing at the Berghof, Berchtesgaden. There are numerous visual references to the Nuremberg Rallies and a cinematic nod to Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will (1934). This episode of the series is a heart on his sleeve celebration of all things cinematic. The dialogue is pure 1940s and the production design is a glorious reworking of Bauhaus, Art Deco, Frank Lloyd Wright, De Chirico and even The Trigan Empire comics. For the planet Coruscant, a city much like New York emerges from the clouds, but New York was never like this. Referencing Things to Come (1936), Lucas gives us a metropolis by way of The Fifth Element (1997) and Blade Runner(1982). His opening shots are paraphrasing the conversation in Lunar Hilton in 2001 (1968) and his initial chase sequence comes out of knowledge of film noir. Lucas understands action and he knows how to cut action but he has difficulty directing people. His old-fashioned lines need an old-fashioned style. Charlton Heston can do cheesy dialogue and so can Harrison Ford but oldies such as Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid overshadow the young cast. Some of the casting is woeful - who in their right mind convinced Lucas to hire Samuel L Jackson? He looks uncomfortable, especially in his fight scenes. Lee as Dooku, the Jedi turned bad has a wonderful light sabre battle with Yoda, a highlight of the film and, once again, shows that casting is everything. The Casablanca (1942) sequence, lit almost exactly as the original, has all the ingredients - fireplace, shadows, music and Natalie Portman even does a credible Ingrid Bergman but it lacks the spark and yet, if you look at the eyes of the actors, it's all there. It needed a people's director to bring it out. You will forgive Lucas, however, because he is making a 40s film and he is referencing an age gone by, for new audiences. When he has Senator Amidala (Natalie Portman) on screen he draws his inspiration from the actresses of the past - Hepburn, Harlow, Bergman and he paraphrases the movies that must have been his formative learning and his pleasure. In an idyllic world called Naboo, we see glimpses of Camelot (1967) and The Sound of Music (1965) and he pays homage to Sergio Leone by calling his bounty hunter Jango as well as referencing Django (1966) in the Clint Eastwood poncho that Anakin wears as the lovers flee Paris, oops Coruscant. This is a very sophisticated movie, dull in parts but high on adrenalin and full of detail and made with love. It is much darker than The Phantom Menace (1999) especially in the scene where our hero finds his abused mother in the Raiders camp and kills every male, female, child and animal within reach. He is an outcast, forever looking through windows (one of the recurring motifs in the film) and like John Wayne in The Searchers (1956), he cannot comprehend a world of double dealing and politics. Like Arthur in Camelot (1967), he toys with the idea of a benevolent dictatorship. This sequence is made the more poignant because we know how this is all going to turn out, having seen the films that follow this one. You can be forgiven that these knights are a bit thick and the senate much like a circus (which it resembles strongly in the film) but Lucas is making a point here. These warriors belong to a chivalrous age; one that is fading before their eyes and all the technology that surrounds them is purely enslavement to a future where machines and clones rule the day. The early genesis of the Imperial Storm troopers is also eerie because we know what will happen. Lucas wants us to see what will happen when we are duped as Jar-Jar Binks is duped in the senate to allow unchallenged powers to Senator Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) and when we are not vigilant. In ET (1982), a movie marquee warned us to Watch the Skies! (the working title for Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)) and here, that warning ( itself a motif in Lucas and Spielberg films) gains further resonance with his referencing of such science fiction films as AI (2001), 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), Things to Come (1936), Dr Strangelove (1964), The Fifth Element, The Man Who Fell to Earth (1976) and of course his own Star Wars films. Lucas also creates a world, which is heavily influenced by Asian culture, to make it all the more alienating (excuse the pun). This is a world that is imploding from the inside and is it any wonder that there are so many nasty creatures both humanoid and animal that inhabit it? A recurring motif in this film is the endless walking that characters do usually in corridors. They never seem to get anywhere just as their futile quest to maintain a sane, just world is doomed from the start. One of the big set pieces is the arena sequence - a fantastic reworking of the colosseum sequence from Quo Vadis? (1951). It is here that Lucas saves his best for last. The sequence becomes a fight for the past and he throws all the WWII imagery he can at this scene. We have Lancaster Bombers, B52s, and war on a grand scale. What he does not do, however, is to give us a satisfactory comeuppance for the baddies. He shows us how the seeds of these warriors' destruction have been sown. Lucas plays with colour in this film. He uses mainly blues and colder colours to begin and ends with sunsets as twilight of the gods. As Merlin says in Excalibur (1981), `it is a time of men and their ways, our time has come. The old magic has given way to new gods'. When Annkin/Arthur marries his Padme/Guenivere, it is at sunset; a hasty marriage or a doomed lover's pact? This film is as dark as The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and deserves to be seen in this light. Lucas is a clever filmmaker and he sometimes lets his themes and myths get in the way of good storytelling but this film is a celebration of film, a celebration of the human spirit to overcome adversity and a timely warning to heed the history lessons of the past. A class act and a must see.