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BIRDS OF PREY 1.3!!

Published at:  Oct 23, 2002 1:59:33 AM CDT

SPOILER ALERT !!

I am – Hercules!!

Dang! It’s already time for that pre-sweeps rerun lull. “Enterprise” and “West Wing” recycle and “Ed” is pre-empted. At least the reality shows are fresh, as is late starter “Birds of Prey.”

Here’s what we said in our Sept. 2 spoiler post:

* An upcoming episode, likely the third, is titled “Prey For The Hunter.” We’ll discover that Helena frequents a secret “speakeasy” where superpowered metahumans gather for cocktails. It’s even got a bartender, presumably not Mr. Freeze, who can put ice in drinks by just thinking about it. The guy who runs it, Helena’s high-school pal Gibson, has the superhuman ability to remember with vivid detail everything that’s ever happened to him.

* Most interestingly, when commenting on the speakeasy’s “metahuman only” policy, Helena reminds Gibson (who requires no reminding): “I’m half meta, Gibson. The other half is human.” So in this version of the DC Universe, Catwoman had superpowers?

* It turns out the Huntress might be investigating a Rogue-like supervillain who can assume the superpowers of others – perhaps by killing them.

I am – Hercules!!









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    Readers Talkback

  • Oct 23, 2002 2:16:10 AM CDT

    Ashley Scott. Her cleavage. Ratings gold.

    by respect the cock

    Nuff said.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 2:24:13 AM CDT

    I respect the rack, but.......

    by deathexplosion

    It'll be a cold day in hell before anyone else points the words "ratings gold" at 'Birds of Prey'. Maybe the show is coming out of the box a little slow (understatement), but I'm afraid seriously quality may be too much to hope for. But, it'll probably be more entertaining than "Twilight Zone, volume 299" on UPN.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 2:35:12 AM CDT

    you want a good illustration of how bad this show is?

    by qwerty uiop

    Huntress has NO boobs. They're small, they're not impressive. Not that small is bad, but its not like they're hanging all over or anything. They don't even show alot of cleavage, just occasionally. And yet people rave about them. Why? Because this show has nothing else. Not a thing to like, so we go for the only thing available: "well, one girl wears shirts that sometimes shows a bit of boobs, so.... WOO HOO! HOORAY FOR BOOBIES! YEAH! HELL YEAH! BOOBS!" How pathetic.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 2:50:51 AM CDT

    The show ain't ALL bad...

    by lukem

    It seems the show is starting off a little slow, but I get a little rush out of seeing Harley Quinn in live action on my little box... and last week when she referred to the Joker as Mr. J... well that was pretty fun too... If I ran the world, this show would pick up the pace, and Smallville would vary its formula a bit so I can't predict the plot every flippin' time... neither of the shows are horrible... they just need some help...

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  • Oct 23, 2002 4:39:39 AM CDT

    Just sharing...

    by demodchan

    30 minutes into the pilot on this show and I was popping advil. To be brevitous, the whole "joker gone homicidal", "batman is now an on-the-run-dead-beat dad"; how post-modern male-role-model of him, and what the hell is going on with all this mutant crap??!! I know I haven't read the comics in over twenty years, but Frank Miller didn't say dick about MUTANTS. On the flip side of this Gotham gone Mutant angst, I must profess some joy at seeing Mia Sara working. It's just unfortunate that she had to sign on for this "Birds of prey" wannabe Mutant X thing. To be perfectly honest, they've invested themselves into the mutant schtick and they're late to the game. If they couldn't write characters that didn't need sad-ass wire-fu and mutant powers too, then it's not entertainment, it's impotent tragedy...the kind where we are left to chastise ourselves for the guilt of not wanting to even contrive a fantasy suitable for mastrubation featuring any of the characters because it would just be as pointless as the source material. And isn't that the whole point of having all these strong beautiful female characters--to segue products and overwork our cowpers gland to the point where our wives start asking us what the hell is going on come laundry day?

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  • Oct 23, 2002 5:32:55 AM CDT

    This dosent eem to bad so far.

    by xillah

    I just hope it dosent turn out like that sack of horse shit mutant x

    http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?2894829471

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  • Oct 23, 2002 6:50:47 AM CDT

    "Half Metahuman"?

    by jinx

    Okay Huntress is "half metahuman" because Mom (Catwoman was a Metahuman: resurrected by cats, 9 lives, preternatural agility..see Batman Returns) and Dad was peak human. But don't Metahumans typically come from Human parents? If the Golden Age Black Canary was Dinah's mom and her dad was human...does that make Dinah half Metahuman as well? How many Meta-kids come from Meta-parents?

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  • Oct 23, 2002 8:50:33 AM CDT

    Lighten up

    by zer0cool2k2

    This show is not nearly as bad as you are making it out to be. It's not great drama, but it's fun if you take it for what it's worth. I agree the whole Metahuman thing is an unnecessary element. I never see why writers think it's necessary. Sydney Bristow kicks men's asses weekly, but it's not explained away by her having mutant abilities, (at least it hasn't been yet). She's just a gifted, highly trained human, who uses the element of suprise to her advantage (..hmmmm, kind of like a certain Dark Knight...).
    And for the record,
    1. Boobies are not pathetic, they're great.
    2.The Joker was always All homicidal.
    3. Ashley Scott is a cutie.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 9:43:00 AM CDT

    so none of the actors will be up for emmys...

    by fatxander

  • ...Birds of Prey is at least *FUN* in a silly sort of way,while Buffy is so frigging depressing... I never saw the attraction to Buffy, and this season is worse than the rest. Let's hope more DC characters make cameos in the show.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:53:24 AM CDT

    Catwoman was a meta-human?!?

    by beautiful thing

    The pathetic Birds of Prey makes Smallville seem as marvelous as Sam Raimi's Spider-man. Lame, lame, lame, lame, LAME!

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:57:08 AM CDT

    Catwoman was a meta-human?!?

    by beautiful thing

    The pathetic Birds of Prey makes Smallville seem as marvelous as Sam Raimi's Spider-man. Lame, lame, lame, lame, LAME!

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  • Oct 23, 2002 12:52:19 PM CDT

    Burton's Catwoman was Metahuman

    by jinx

    Birds of Prey seemingly uses the Tim Burton/Michelle Pfieffer/BATMAN RETURNS version of Catwoman (blonde Selina in black vinyl suit with white stitching) as opposed to any comic incarnation. In the movie Catwoman WAS metahuman, as someone pointed out elsewhere: she survives having a revolver emtied into her, a fall from hundreds of feet (twice) once when pushed by Schrek and once by the Penguin's ubrella in the air through a plate glass greenhouse, and then the electrocution to kill off Shrek. 9 lives, saving one for "next christmas". Plus the sudden catlike agility equals METAHUMAN.

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  • Brevitous?

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  • Oct 23, 2002 3:08:16 PM CDT

    When is Harlequinn going to don the jester outfit?

    by craiggers

    I know that they are going for a more realistic comic book show, without elaborate costumes, but dammit, Harle is not Harle without that jester costume. It's that simple. I can get over the fact that the Huntress goes about fighting crime without a mask, even though it is going to be quite awkward when she runs into that detective on the street and has some explaining to do. But having Harle not ever get in costume would be like not having the joker wear his famous purple suit, or taking away his white face, constant grin, and green hair. He just wouldn't be the Joker anymore. If Harle never shows up eventually in full costume I'll be pretty pissed at this show.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 3:24:42 PM CDT

    Through bouts of vomitting

    by qwerty uiop

    I believe I remember them clearly stating that Huntress is super-powered/meta human/whatever. Especially when she ran up the side of a building. I mean, sure, in the real world the running up the side of the building could be explained away as cheap, badly rendered special effects, but in BOP's world it means meta human.

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  • Part of the reason I don't watch much television anymore is because of all the crap now being produced. Birds of Prey is just such drek--badly acted, poorly cast, derivative stories. Most people who admit to watching this show usually qualify their viewership with "it's not great, but..." or "it's okay for the most part..." Listen, if people would just friggin' not tolerate bad or mediocre television maybe we wouldn't be saddled with so much crap on t.v. Maybe some people need to develop more hobbies or interests, or something. To sit in front of the idiot box and tolerate mediocrity is a sad commentary on one's priorities. Spend more time on the web, bashing crappy shows like BOP, rather than succumbing to their hypnotic stupidity and acutually watching them! If, however, you genuinely LIKE BOP, more power to you. This post isn't directed at you. I suspect, however, that there are many people who (if they were honest with themselves) realize that this and many other things they watch are pretty shitty, but they continue to watch in the hope that it may get better. They would probably be well-advised to just come back later, rather than staying with a show waiting for the unlikely improvement.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 4:28:21 PM CDT

    Birds of Legal Prey

    by alpha zebra

    With the possible exception of Dina Meyer, the leads on both Birds of Prey AND Girls' Club clearly blew off Acting 101 in favor of Hollywood Ethics for Attractive Actresses 1A (Syllabus includes the Sharon Stone essay, "You CAN sleep your way to the middle").

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  • Oct 23, 2002 5:30:36 PM CDT

    This show is bleeding humanity dry.

    by rude_kaiser

    You fools will accept any bowl of turds put before you. This show sucks on so many levels that it would be silly to list again. I can't believe you idiots are still watching. Ha. You 13 and 39 year old fanboys love to get your rocks off watching Ashley nude back. Get out of your moms basement and meet the world. I can't believe some of you idiots would even breathe BOP and Buffy in one sentence. Joss Whedon could have pissed this garbage out without thinking. If you continue to accept worthless and mindless television then the WB will continue feeding it to you. Stupid Bastards!!

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  • Oct 23, 2002 5:44:19 PM CDT

    2 problems:

    by christopher3

    1) Overreliance on sets and greenscreens. More location shooting would give the series a less claustrophobic feel (though it would up the budget). See "Smallville" for examples.

    2) Bad fight editing. I know the editor has to cover for the use of stuntpeople, but this is worse than "Buffy" or "Angel."

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  • Oct 23, 2002 6:04:14 PM CDT

    You tell 'em, Kaiser!

    by yourolympichero

    Last night's Buffy was a million times better than most of the shit on TV. Oh, it's true...it's DAMN true.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 8:07:44 PM CDT

    SOMEONE NEEDS TO...

    by weasel

    ...take this show out to an an empty field somewhere and mercifully put a bullet through its head. I'm serious. Christ on a pony! That young woman who portrays the Huntress is the very definition of a Bad Actress - seriously, guys, I wince at every line she so painfully delivers! And the same goes for that other amateur who plays Dinah. Dina Merrill is marginal; she seems to do well when given decent material, but for Ms. Merrill BOP was a very bad career move. I have officially stopped wasting the valuable seconds of my existence watching this steaming pile and I forcefully encourage my fellow geeks to do likewise. Someday, gentlemen, when you are very old and on your deathbeds you will regret bitterly the hours
    you spent pissing away your lives
    on this garbage. Mark my words!




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  • Oct 23, 2002 8:45:57 PM CDT

    I enjoy it. Shoot me.

    by mattmanreturns

    I really enjoy the show because I'm a Batman buff. I like Dina Meyer and Ashley Scott, and I think the show has a cool premise. This is not because I want to see Ashley naked, or because I'll accept any piece of shit placed in front of me, as others have said. I simply find the show entertaining and want to know what happens next. It's a comic book, not drama. Take it for what it is, otherwise, stop harrassing those who seriously enjoy it.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 9:13:58 PM CDT

    This Episode Was Better Than The 1st Two.

    by deep blue sky

    Number One Was Better Than The 2nd. Number 3 Was Better Than Both.- -Still Lacked In Certain Places *spoiler alert*- -Would've Liked The Villain To Have Run Jumping To His Death And Then Have Huntress Catch Him And Say Something Like: "You're Not Getting Off That Easy...." Rather Than Having The Bunch Of The Meta Humans Just Sit/Stand There While The Guy Begins To Fall To His Death Ever So Slowly....- -The Guy Who Was Frozen In An Iceberg Was Stupid.- -He Looked Like A Mascot For- -Well...ICE- -I'd Rather Have Seen Him A Corpse With Just A Hint Of Frost.- -Maybe His Eyes All Rolled Up Too.- -And Broken And Dismembered- -Yeah, That

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  • Oct 23, 2002 9:24:47 PM CDT

    no such thing as half meta-human

    by lyunardo

    So being meta-human is kinda like being black, eh? Aren't most super powered people in comics first generation?
    Mr Freeze for example, didn't inherit some genetic cold dna: an experiment went wrong. That's all. Now he's a meta human. Green Lantern, spiderman, the Hulk, same type of deal. It seems to me that in the world of BOP, if you have super powers you're meta human, no matter how you got em

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  • Oct 23, 2002 9:26:17 PM CDT

    oh yeah...

    by lyunardo

    almost forgot... this show is just plain horrible

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  • Oct 23, 2002 9:49:53 PM CDT

    WB must stand for White Boy

    by bman0429

    Damn
    Shame buffy dont have no black folks on. Since it is on U Pick Da Negro. Let my people go!!!!

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:08:36 PM CDT

    Curds of Whey

    by christopher3

    Little miss Dina Meyer needs to get off her tuffet and start kicking some ass with a bionic exoskeleton.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:16:04 PM CDT

    Mulligan Stew

    by renonevada2000

    This show is like a Mulligan Stew, taking ingrediants from the various incarnations of the Batman mythos to cook up something unique to itself. Sure, some fan boys are going to scream and cry that Huntress isn't a Metahuman or even "half-Meta." But at least they're using the Meta-Gene concept from the comics. True, there can be some work done in the story department, but things are getting better slowly but surely. (Sadly, the producers were blocked by Warners from bringing Paul Dini on board. Reportedly, he "Carries too much baggage." It's executive decisions like that that leads to bad scripts being greenlit. But you know that already, don't you Warner Brothers?) And did anyone catch the Shakespeare bust used to get into the speakeasy tonight?

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:22:11 PM CDT

    Deep Blue Sky

    by archdiver

    I started reading your post and was interested bc I thought I was going to agree with you, but had to stop reading bc of your annoying penchant for capitalizing everything. Is this supposed to be some interesting quirk to set you apart from everyone else? Maybe you should rethink it. It's frickin annoying. AD out

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:25:39 PM CDT

    a step back

    by jinx

    I thought last week was a step forward from the pilot but this week was a step back. Likely due to the lack of Harleen Quinzel. The dots are there but they don't seem to be connecting just yet. Things happen to move the plot along but seemingly without much motivation or reason. Dinah skipped school because one girl threw a smart assed comment at her? Come on. The Oracle dating thing is happening so fast I don't care about it.
    The care bear stare variation didn't help matters.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:29:41 PM CDT

    The show continues to improve

    by archdiver

    This managed to be better than last week without Mia Sara in the shower. Which would have been nice to see again. If it keeps improving, it may be halfway decent by Christmas. It's weak points were: 1- Ashley's acting, 2- Rachel's whining, 3- No Mia!, 4- They ended with the very special Taster's Choice moment on top of the clock tower. That shit needs to go! They've got me roped in for another week. AD out

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  • Oct 23, 2002 10:42:29 PM CDT

    Huh?

    by redro

    Is it just me or was huntress' cape/jacket too "Spawn" In that final chase scene i kept thinking "where is all that fabric coming from?"
    Oh and is anyone else getting "dark angel" flashbacks:
    "These are my people. We're not bad we're just different" Good ep though.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 11:17:18 PM CDT

    one more thing

    by redro

    Isn't the whole lore of Batman as apposed to Superman or X-men is that he was just a regular human being trying to do whats right. To keep other children from living his nightmare. This whole metahuman thing is interesting but cheapens the legacy. They should have just call this
    "Generation X" instead of using the name of a comic book that actually lives up to the
    Bat legacy.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 11:30:40 PM CDT

    Mattman

    by qwerty uiop

    I disagree, you do like any shit set before you. Just because something is based on a comic doesn't mean it has to be bleeding from the eyes bad. I don't know what comics you read, but the ones I get don't suck shit through a straw. You need to elevate your taste, man, badly.

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  • Oct 23, 2002 11:47:20 PM CDT

    Metahuman = Race metaphor

    by jinx

    They are def going for the metahuman/race metaphor by having Huntress assert her "half metahuman" and "half human" status. Similar to the comment above but less PC would be "Being metahuman is like being Black...either you are or you are not" which is what many mixed race kids hear and deal with in terms of identity.
    HOWEVER, In Huntress' case I would think that since she pretty much hates her Human Father (at best she's indifferent) and ADORED her Metahuman Mother, I would think she would be wanting to cling to her metahumaness as a link to her deceased mother.
    LAstly, the guy said he was from BLUDHAVEN and yes it is starting to feel too DARK ANGEL with the whole "he is killing my people" and Helena's speech to Reese in the hospital....or dare I say TOO X-MEN.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 12:08:51 AM CDT

    HEY DEMODCHAN!!!! I remember in a little graphic novel called TH

    by zod_is_back

    I'm just saying is all...

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  • Oct 24, 2002 12:13:27 AM CDT

    And no one noticed how that guy that spit acid and tried to jump

    by zod_is_back

  • Oct 24, 2002 12:17:41 AM CDT

    Carl The Flaming Torch and Mimic. It's alternate universe Marve

    by zod_is_back

  • Oct 24, 2002 12:22:53 AM CDT

    Hey Detective I have an Idea take a frickin picture of her an

    by zod_is_back

  • Oct 24, 2002 12:32:33 AM CDT

    Catwoman was NOT a metahuman

    by magic_ninja

    Not even in the fucking movie. What kind of comic book geeks are you losers? This show sucks.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 12:46:23 AM CDT

    dear lord,

    by lyunardo

    please don't let me have to sit through this show again.. never, never again. And please deliver Dina Meyer from that low low valley, so she can have a chance to act again. And lord? A plague of frogs, and painful flesh eating pestilence upon the writers of that horrible tortuous dialogue, if it's not too much?
    Amen

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  • Oct 24, 2002 12:50:24 AM CDT

    The need to fix the CGI shots of Huntress jumping on the rooftop

    by turtle power aka

    And don't critisize Hercules when's hes on the rag. Bitch banned me. But I'm back. Ban me again, I got more user names ready son. Now, hit MY fucking music!

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  • Oct 24, 2002 1:27:56 AM CDT

    BOP may suck,

    by fluxmaster

    but this is good,Adult Swim,on the
    Cartoon Channel will be expanding,
    airing Sunday through Thursday
    starting Jan. 12th,11P.M.-1A.M.,adding Futurama.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 1:53:29 AM CDT

    BOP: Only a reminder of what it could be

    by david19

    Watching BOP makes me moan when I think about the great thing that it could be. Make it darker, less CGI-ish, with some normal non-powered-just-sick-in-the-head villians. Come on it cant be that hard can it? watch some darker toned shows like law and order or NYPD Blue and make something that we can believe in! Make this show a freakin drama with an edge the way the bat universe was meant to be! Right now it is a primo target for cancellation, and will last about as long as piss in the wind.

    Oh and is anyone else annoyed with the 3rd Rock From the Sun Moment at the end of each show?

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  • Oct 24, 2002 2:50:42 AM CDT

    Thats about it for me...I gave it 2 1/2 episodes...I'm done

    by monkeybrains

    Personally, the only reason I even watched half of the 3rd episode was because Ashley Scott. Very attractive young lady. But the show is a waste of time. Dialogue killed it for me. Must be the same writers from Dark Angel, with those so called "whitty" one liners that don't go anywhere. Screenwriting 101, fresh out of school, does not make one a scribe. The sad thing is that there are probably quite a few writers sitting at home that dont get any jobs for the networks anymore because they dont have "the voice of the younger generation". Plenty of other things to watch

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  • Oct 24, 2002 3:10:12 AM CDT

    Wha this show clearly needs is...

    by demon disco

    ...Harvey Birdman - Attorney at Law! "Get ready to feel the power... OF ATTORNEY!!!!"

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  • Oct 24, 2002 5:53:23 AM CDT

    in response to some comments...

    by caine

    Kaiser - Maybe Joss Whedon could piss out a better script in his sleep. Maybe that's what he does, because Buffy the vampire Slayer is one of the WORST Tv Shows ever. Feel free to Spam me all you want people, it still sucks. Stop carrying over the implied sexuality of Allysn Hannigan and Sarah Michelle Gellar from some of their film work, and the irreverant hipster teen chic from "Scream." Buffy (and its spinoff, Angel) is a crap show, and an exercise in masturbatory fantasy, but I digress... *** The comparisons to Alias hardly give Birds of Prey credibility, because Alias has ALSO gone beyond the bounds of any believability, but I have made my opinions on that show known as well... *** Comparisons to Dark Angel are also a bad idea - because that show proved that big name producers and directors cannot save a bad concept. Remember it was cancelled for a REASON. *** Yes the topless and sweaty shots were introduced because of the considerable ratings drop between Weeks one and two. *** In response to the comments about Adult Swim, I thought you said it was going to be good... Doesn't including Futurama automatically negate that?

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  • Oct 24, 2002 6:17:21 AM CDT

    Caine

    by qwerty uiop

    So.... Are you for Bird's of Prey then or just anti Buffy. Because there is a Buffy Talkback, just in case you didn't know... Just FYI.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 7:03:36 AM CDT

    tick tock tick tock

    by kingofcrows

    the sound of the clock winding down till this pathetic show is cancelled.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 8:40:55 AM CDT

    Getting Better

    by jojo-pimp

    I admit it...i was eager to see this series, then dissappointed with the premiere episode. However, unlike Smallville which grabbed me right away, this show is slowly becoming more addictive. Everyone knows the character of Superman, and the mythology behind it, which made Smallville very easy to fall in love with. This show, however, has new spins on characters which the general public are not that familiar with to begin with. I think given a little time, some character development, this show could have some potential. It just needs to decide if it wants to be light hearted, or darker....too much of a mix there. Plus, Huntress does need a mask!!

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  • Oct 24, 2002 8:47:09 AM CDT

    ok epiosde but...

    by joshuaonenine

    I felt like i was watching the X-men with all of those speeches about tolerance for metahumans.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 8:59:59 AM CDT

    Lighten up, Bitches.

    by entropygirl

    First let me say I was not impressed with the BOP pilot...However Dina Meyer and Mia Sara made me curious enough to stick around the following week...Iam glad I did. The show is finding it's legs. No, It's not as dark as some of the Batman comic books but guess what...This is a mainstream tv program designed to appeal to a crosssection. It has to be accesible to more than just the hardcore fanboys.I for one think there is alot of potential here and I hope The WB will give BOP a chance. It is better than Whedon's crapfest "Firefly".
    I think the intial arc is about setting things up, introducing the trio and Harleen Quinzell. Harley is obviously the Big Bad here. The show needs crisper dialogue, Reese has to go, Less overkill CGI, Less Rachel Skarsten..More Dina, More Ashley!
    I hope Powergirl and Nightwing turns up soon cause that would be killer.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 11:01:59 AM CDT

    It's getting a little better each week...

    by damitol

    love the comparisons to Buffy. Let's see - six years vs. three episodes. An acting and production team that could phone in their jobs at this point (but don't - I'm a big Buffy fan and Season 6 is starting out strong) vs. a bunch of newbies just now figuring out what's going on. Yeah - that's a fair comparison. True - I don't carry the baggage of having been a fan (or even reading) the books prior to the series so I don't see (or care about) the inconsistencies, but I defy anyone to point to a genre show that was universally cheered as being brilliant from show #1. All required time for the actors and writers to flesh out the characters. Unlike a doctor or cop show, genre shows are saddled with the burden of explaining the universe they exist in, cutting down time for much character development at first. BoP has problems and it has potential. I'm sticking with it for a while to see if they can minimize the former and maximize the latter. It will never be mythic or anything more than a "popcorn" show, but if it's done well it will be a fun ride. I'm intrigued by Mia Sara's Harley and Ashley Scott is cute enough to let me give her time to improve her acting chops. Like I said in the first episode

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  • Oct 24, 2002 11:19:39 AM CDT

    Cool idea very poorly executed...

    by hjermsted

    So far everyone in BOP seems to be going through the motions as far as I can tell. The reason why a show like Buffy works so well is that EVERYONE (writers, directors, actors) takes the stories and characters seriously. BOP seems like a bunch of people playing make believe. Ashley Scott, as much as the camera loves her, needs to work harder at making us care about Helena. The only character I care about so far is Dinah and she's also the most annoying character on the show. **** Prey for the Hunter must have looked good on paper. A good director would've pulled more subtle performances out of everyone ESPECIALLY the crooked meta-cop. The "logic" behind WHY the meta-cop was serial killing other metas was actually very sound. The actor played the character WAY too over-the-top which ended up detracting from the strength of the story. **** It seems to me that BOP needs more writers and directors with genre experience and dedication. Prey for the Hunter felt like an episode of ER with superheroes in it.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 2:25:13 PM CDT

    showgettingworse

    by sokitome

    I really want this show to succeed. I liked the pilot but this past episode really sucked. The acting, the writing, and even the special effects were all crap. "I'm half meta and i have to find out who's killing my people" jeez give me a break. IT sounds so much like stuff that's been going on in XMEN for years. If the trend is to spiral downwards then this show is doing that perfectly

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  • Oct 24, 2002 4:20:25 PM CDT

    This is for all of you "Buffy" fans out there

    by 007-11

    No, i'm not going to trash Buffy, it's a quality show. I'm here to set the record straight for those of you saying how this show could have been Buffy. The only thing Buffy had to live up to was a crappy teen movie. The show has more than overshadowed it. Birds of Prey has over 50 years worth baggage coming with it. Not to mention some less than stellar movies. The banter in Birds of Prey is no less glib than when Buffy started out, they'll work out of it. Right now they're building the world they live in. Setting the stage as it were. They're not just rushing into it, telling the background as they go. And it must be said, Ashley Scott is more attractive than Sarah Michelle Gellar, even pre-anorexia Sarah Michelle Gellar. Just give the show some time to work through everything. By the way, has anyone else noticed that the Joker looks like Jake Busey?

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  • Oct 24, 2002 7:09:20 PM CDT

    This episode seemed like it stole from "X-Men"

    by jbmcomics

    After the first two episodes, I really was hoping there wouldn't be any more meta-humans for a while. This episode took a serious wrong turn. Batman has always been much more about everyday criminals and psychopaths then superpowered villains. This whole underground metahuman community seemed too similar to X-Men's world of mutants. Batman + X-Men...not a good combination. In the show it seems that few humans know of the superpowers. How is that? If this show is taking place in Post-Batman world, then what about Batman's contemporaries? Was there no Superman in this world?

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  • Oct 24, 2002 7:11:23 PM CDT

    I don't like the show. The reason?

    by hamlet3145

    I don't like the characters.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 7:44:08 PM CDT

    Hey buddy-- can you spare a writer?

    by krunchyone

    I love shows and movies based on comic books. The kid in me gives any comic book-derived show automatic points right off the bat. Unfortunately, the writing on this show is painfully bad. The dialogue is bad, the plots are weak, I can't tell where the hell they're trying to go with the characters (unfortunately, they probably won't be going anywhere because the show will be cancelled soon). I cannot understand the mentality in Hollywood that prioritizes the quality of the script dead last. Spend a few dollars on a good script along with all of the effort on special effects, cardboard character types, and toy tie-ins PLEASE.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 8:30:10 PM CDT

    Just Realized What This Really Is...

    by nocureforfools

    it's te crappy american version of HK wire-fu superhero classiq -- The Heroic Trio. forget this WB nonsense. at least the Bruce Timm cartoons are cool.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 10:22:52 PM CDT

    I forgot one other crappy aspect

    by archdiver

    The CGi rendering on Huntress leaping from building to building. The cape was stiffer than Ashley Scott's acting! It's supposed to billow and move and flare and stuff. Christ! AD out

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  • Oct 24, 2002 11:19:51 PM CDT

    alright, I can't stay in denial about this...

    by 007-11

    Ashley Scott could use some acting pointers, but she tries, oh how she tries.

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  • Oct 24, 2002 11:39:15 PM CDT

    You know what this show needs..

    by chimmythechimp

    the olsen twins

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  • Oct 24, 2002 11:54:52 PM CDT

    Superheroes without masks?

    by hoffmangler

    Makes no sense. Par for the course for the WB (Wonton Butchery)

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  • Oct 25, 2002 3:47:20 AM CDT

    Just when you thought it was impossible...

    by hoof hearted

    This show gets worse. Every week, it gets worse. Good god, someone put this lame horse out of its misery.

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  • Oct 25, 2002 7:30:40 AM CDT

    Shoot Birds of Prey

    by mishka delight

    I actually taped the whole stinking 70 minutes of premiere. I got to the part where they had an effect on her eye, about ten minutes in, and threw it down. Then I see that they actually USED that stinking effects shot IN THE PREVIEW. Sad, sad, sad.

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  • Oct 25, 2002 3:55:17 PM CDT

    ooohh...

    by manwiththedogs

    sounds facinating, especialy the part about Gibson and his awesome superpower. "Can remember in vivid detail,blah blah blah. Big fuckin deal.

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  • Oct 25, 2002 3:56:53 PM CDT

    ooohh...

    by manwiththedogs

    sounds facinating, especialy the part about Gibson and his awesome superpower. "Can remember in vivid detail,blah blah blah. Big fuckin deal.

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  • Oct 25, 2002 4:38:39 PM CDT

    Mama Black Canary

    by jinx

    I'm sitting out next week (oooh unless there is Harley) and retuning for the "Sins of the Mother" episode with Dinah's mother showing up as a Batman's former ally the Black Canary. We'll see how they do with that and then decide the future of the show on my watch list. Confidence is not high because they have Lori Loughlin (Full House) playing the Canary...in spite of how neat she looks all rough and tumbly (no fishnets sadly)

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  • Oct 25, 2002 10:37:59 PM CDT

    What do you expect

    by benfolds

    Birds of Prey is a television show on the WB. You should know what to expect with that information alone. How can any of you expect greatness? I happen to enjoy the show for what it is. That said, if I want to watch something brilliant on television I'll surf over to HBO and watch Six Feet Under reruns.

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  • Oct 26, 2002 1:42:22 AM CDT

    Other than the slow plots per episode...

    by zone zero

    The Birds of Brey TV Series is almost the only TV I watch.
    I dig this show, and if any flamebaiting troll says otherwise, he can flame himself to death. I won't shed tears for that waste of oxygen.
    Just because 10 people have an issue with this series being out of "canon" don't mean it sucks. I LOVE this series!
    Now, stick that in your rally monkey and SMOKE IT!

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  • Oct 26, 2002 5:00:48 AM CDT

    no one in gotham knows about batman !!!!!! wtf

    by andy kaufman

    one of my few gripes with the show is that on the last episode the cop didnt know who bat man was. how utterly retarded oh yeah the guy jus fights crime in the town battles a freaky clown guy and know knows who he,robin,catwoman and batgirl are come on that jus killed me and the meta human things is a great huge rip of xmen, but i do really like the show i was happy mak hamill did the jokers one line. i hope they touch it up soon cause the whole no one knew who batman was is way lame

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  • Oct 26, 2002 12:15:29 PM CDT

    Why no one believes in Batman

    by jinx

    He's an urban myth...this angle is taken from the books a couple of years ago (was it during "No Man's Land"?) where the writers decided that it made Bats scarier if he was more of a boogeyman type legend that only a few people really knew about and the general public on half believed in him as an urban legend type figure. batman fought his war in a shadow world that most didn't know about ...no public appearances ala Batman and Robin..he came out of nowhere, saved the day and disappeared back into the darkness.
    YUP it was completely inconsistent with him being a member of the JLA but still....interesting concept that Birds of Prey is running with apparently.

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  • Oct 26, 2002 4:25:22 PM CDT

    CHRIST is every episode of this series going to end with the cha

    by rick mccallum

    I've been giving this show a chance, but after 3 episodes, I've concluded that its overall execution is uneven. And what show/movie does BoP NOT rip off? There are WAYYYY too many elements that remind the viewer of Buffy, X-Files, X-Men, Dark Angel. Here's a crazy-ass idea: Why not rip off elements from the Batman comic books? As for this last episode, how many times have we seen the tissue-paper thinly veiled analogy to racism/bigotry plot in genre series? We get it already! -- normal humans in genre series, movies and comic books hate/fear superpowered humans. Thanks a fucking lot, Chris Claremont! So can we just move on to some more original themes PLEASE?? Batman disappeared 7 years ago -- this this mean that the show's producers don't acknowledge Joel Shitmaker's "Batman & Robin" movie? Yay -- fine by me. FINAL MEMO TO PRODUCERS: Fix the scriptwriting of BoP and do so FAST. And quit "borrowing" elements from other shows and movies!

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  • Oct 26, 2002 6:45:58 PM CDT

    Why no one knows Batman...

    by qwerty uiop

    Simply because this show sucks shit through a straw. ITs horribly written, acted, and directed, with sets that look like a high school film class made them. I don't care about continuity, just quality and this show has none.

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  • Oct 27, 2002 12:38:52 AM CDT

    Oh Man...

    by thx5334

    I saw BOP 1.3 as my first taste of this show. Man, I'm a HUGE Batman fan and this show is rank smelly a**. Way to go WB, this show is really going to help bring back the Batman franchise back to the big screen, It won't bury it any further..No, really (insert sarcasm for any dummies)

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