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Herc Gives FIREFLY 1.7 Four Stars!!

Firefly 1.7 FAQ

What’s it called?

“Our Mrs. Reynolds.”

Who’s responsible?

Teleplay is credited to series creator Joss Whedon.

What does TV Guide say?

The discovery of a stowaway (Christina Hendricks) leads to an even more shocking find---she's actually Mal's payment for a past job. Meanwhile, the Alliance has its eye on the Serenity. Or at least someone aboard it.

What is TV Guide not telling us?

The TV Guide description is most misleading. Alliance officials are not in the episode and they’re not eyeing Serenity (or someone aboard it). Those eyeing the ship are actually just a handful of space pirates.

Isn’t this just the third episode to air? What’s this “1.7” business?

This edition of “Firefly” – the first installment to air written solely by Whedon – was originally set to bow a few weeks hence. So Fox has again tinkered with the batting order of these early stand-alone episodes.

The big news?

There’s a reason Whedon decided to pen this one himself. We get a much stronger sense this week that Inara the fabulous space-hooker harbors grown-up feelings for Capt. Reynolds.

Is the “someone aboard” supergenius psychic-girl River Tam?

No. And this, one supposes, is the other big news: River is not even glimpsed this week. Puffy-lipped Hendricks pinch-hits nicely, however, ensuring viewers continue to get a full ration of comely sci-fi girls to stare at.

Any blue hands this week?


What’s good?

All the forward motion on the Inara front. Plus Whedon wrote it, so there’s lots of funny on display, and more than a few surprises.

What’s not so good?

The crew of the Serenity turns out to be an annoyingly prudish lot. If Jim Kirk ever took this long to kiss a guest star, the Klingons would be running the galaxy.

How does it end, spoiler-boy?

“I knew you let her kiss you.”

Herc’s rating for “Firefly” 1.7?


The Hercules T. Strong Rating System:

  • ***** better than we deserve
  • **** better than most motion pictures
  • *** actually worth your valuable time
  • ** as horrible as most stuff on TV
  • * makes you quietly pray for bulletins

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  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I wish I'd seen the real pilot

    by Drath

    I'm just not really into these characters yet. I feel the lack of a proper introduction, and I think this show needed to make more of a bang with its openning. I was busy last week, only saw bits and pieces of last week's episode, so I hope this one can pull me back into the game. I'm a Whedon fan, I'll give it all the chances I can(hell, I'm still watching Angel, despite numerous annoyances), but I hope I'm not setting myself up for a Farscape style slap in the face if/when this thing is eventually cancelled.----------- I've only recently seen Cowboy Bebop, and I love it, but I don't think Firefly is just a retread. Bebop had a lot more than just the western genre mixed in with sci-fi. It also had a more simple set up, with just a handful of regulars. Besides, I can't see the down side to an American copy of Bebop. The series would work incredibly well on American TV. And if anyone could make something as fun as Bebop, it's Whedon.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:20 a.m. CST


    by symon

    I have to agree that i'm not sure about this show yet. i want to like it - but that twangy country theme song (even if whedon did write it) really gets to me. i know it's a space western and everything, but do they have to beat us over the head with it? I dont' know - i like the actors, but i'm also not into the characters too much yet. The first episode they showed had one of the funniest endings i've seen in a long time, but last week's episode seemed like just another installment of enterprise or something. keeping my hopes up, but so far i don't see why joss is doing this show when he could just be writing more buffy episodes.....they're not as good without him.....

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I completely agree with Drath and Symon

    by WarDog

    We really needed the pilot to be aired first. And this dichotomous, poor "blend" of sci-fi and western just isn't working. I prefer science fiction stories in science fiction series. These are just western plots set in a futuristic milieu with Nazi-wannabes and Reavers (good grief!) thrown in as a poor attempt to make it look more like sci-fi. And the characters haven't really gotten me interested in them yet. But maybe it's slow going in building them up.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:40 a.m. CST

    The Original Pilot

    by delwin

    I have the same problem. The show has a lot of potential. I think there are just too many characters. The original pilot is still going to air right? When will they air it?

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:51 a.m. CST

    this show is a pain in the ass...


    Because it can't decide what it wants to be, and it's got a horrendous time slot. If it doesn't solve it's identity crisis soon, it's fucked. I like what I've seen so far, but the lack of a pilot is annoying and confusing - I missed the "set-up" you get with other shows. Ya know, when you look at some of the other SHIT that they have during the week, I'm frankly stunned that this is stuck with the Friday slot. Goddamn crackhead network execs.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Which is the original first episode?

    by Russ

    ?!? I'm looking forward to seeing how the handle it, getting the _real_ introductions, etc.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Liking Firefly

    by godric

    I actually like the theme song and the western/space combination--it seems to me a bit more like it would actually be if we managed to make space travel open for the masses. There probably wouldn't be any aliens, or beaming, but things would get pretty lawless...anyways, these first few episodes do seem kind of weak, but I can't say I loved Buffy's beginning either. I think if the show makes it to mid-season it'll get a lot better--we'll have these slightly weak stand-alones out of the way and I have a feeling we'll pick up a story arc that will really make things a lot more interesting. Just a hunch.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Yup, we NEED that pilot to be seen....

    by Smugbug

    Get it on the air - pronto. While I am enjoying this show, it just doesn't feel "cemented" (for lack of a better description on my feelings). I really, really, would appreciate if they would just air that damn pilot. Thank you.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Firefly and Buffy

    by Medox

    I've become a major Buffy fan only in the last two seasons (helped by FX's reruns), so I can't answer this one, but... how long did it take for Buffy to "get its TV legs", as it were? Did Buffy have an instant grab on you, or did it take the course of a season? Of course, if it is the latter for Firefly, that might be a problem, 'cause I don't know if Fox(or any network for the matter)is going to let this show ease its way into the public consciousness. It's taking is time working its mojo on me -- but that's okay. I guess I rather slowly come to know these characters and their world then be beat over the head with exposition and leave nothing to explore later on, 'cause the real exploration in this show is going to be with the characters themselves, NOT the space setting -- which I like, which is what Joss Whedon does so well for us Buffy and Angel fans. Anyway, I would have liked Fox to have shown the original pilot, I feel like I'm watching this season in reverse, but I'll watch... Joss has not let me down yet, and if Fox lets Firefly play out the way its supposed to, I think its going to be a wild ride.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Tonight's episode?

    by Godai-kun

    I was under the impression that Firefly would be pre-empted tonight by the baseball playoffs. Next week, too. Or am I just crazy? I hope you're not messing with us, Herc.... Anyway, my only problem with the show is that there are too many characters. Buffy really only had four main characters to keep track of in the beginning, thus letting us know them better and making it a more intimate show. Firefly has, off the top of my head,nine characters vying for our attention, and I don't feel like I know any of them yet. I know, I know, "wait and see. It's only been two episodes", but can't help but feel a little frustrated. I'm still going to watch though. What can I say? I'm a tool.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:22 a.m. CST


    by Ravenwing263

    Did they ever reshoot Inara's scenes in the pilot with Marina Baccarin playing the part? I read that Rebecca Gayheart played the role in the original pilot.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:43 a.m. CST


    by Russ

    Okay, now I remember hearing that "Serenity" was the premier, but it has been split into two different episodes. Anyone remember what those two are called? I'm trying to find them on the Fox official episode list at

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by Cyridel

    The pilot episode is available on peer-to-peer. I was able to get it off Kazaa myself. 56k'ers are hosed though. It's broken into two parts, both about 400MB apiece. Be warned, the quality is pretty damn horrible, but until they show it on network tv, I'll take what I can get. And just for the record, Gayheart was not in the pilot.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by YaGottaBeKidding

    Personally didn't become a full fledged Buffy fan til the second season. Now, totally hooked on BTVS, right down to the board game. Became Angel fan from the get go and now find myself a patient and willing to see where it goes Firefly fan.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 12:16 p.m. CST

    an idea, to be sure, but...

    by cstandri

    ...This just doesn't hold a candle to Cowboy Bebop, yet. The whole, "look, these are cowboys! And, and...they're in space!" idea is interesting, but, come on, are we supposed to love the show just because of an interesting idea? I'll give it some time to develop, but I'm starting to wonder if Joss's ego is getting a little large.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 12:18 p.m. CST

    The Pilot

    by CMBat

    The original pilot, or at least the first half of it, is currently set to air 12/13. You've got two months to wait. Personally, I'm fine with a show with multiple characters that we have to get to know. I don't want everything about them spelled out in three episodes so that we know what to expect. The "science" of the show actually makes sense. Terraforming will eventually be a reality, so we'll be making lots of planets to live on, and I like the idea that the planets furthest from the center have the least technology. It also leaves the door open (conveniently) for the series to move toward better technology as it progresses and we inevitably get more shows closer to the center, or the Alliance, as our heroes become clearer enemies of the Alliance, presumably through the River storyline. I like the show...Joss will do just fine, but sci-fi isn't for everyone, and I just hope Fox doesn't do something stupid. It's levels above Dark Angel already, I'd hate to see them can it after one year and start from scratch.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 12:34 p.m. CST

    East Coasters! Firefly and John Doe are on...

    by HawkesNJ

    At least for New York: I spoke with FOX Programming, and they told me that both episodes will Air Sunday at 4:00pm. Enjoy!

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 12:56 p.m. CST

    "Interesting Idea"

    by DarkZero

    Someone said that Firefly has an interesting idea but not much else. Personally, I have the opposite problem. I sort of like the characters and the Buffy dialogue, but between Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, and Farscape, these "space cowboy" shows have become almost as much of a sub-genre of sci-fi as vampire movies or all those Star Trek shows about people flying around in a spaceship and meeting aliens that are cartoonish exaggerations of human cultures/ideas. Between all of those shows, I've seen the characters done better, the music done better, and pretty much the entire concept done better. The "let's make it as episodic as possible" mission statement doesn't really help the show, though.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I've seen the pilot..

    by ulcer

    You can see the pilot easily, it's downloadable off easynews. It is really, really bad and boring. There is nothing that is 'cemented' by it, it is absolutely aweful. It's very long, there isn't much action, and the characters are all acting like bastards, including the captain calling the Companion a 'whore' to which she replies later 'I guess I'll go back to _whoring_'. Sure, she is indeed a prostitute, but it breaks the 'pretty woman' vision of it when you put it that way. I have seen the pilot after seeing the first episode aired and frankly it was really discourraging. Showing this pilot to anyone would convince them that this show has no hope. Eventually there is a big scare about these humans gone wild, but you never see them and it goes really no where, like a low budget rip off Aliens

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Firefly. Almost good.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I'm not huge on Sci-Fi TV and I've watched the two Firefly episodes only because of my insane love for BtVS. I like the actors on Firefly, particularly the captain and the mechanic girl, but without a solid introductry episode, I can't figure out anything else. It's as if I was expected to read the book the show was based on in order to get the full story on the alliance/pirate and crew dynamics. Unfortunately, there is no book. Generally, I get a real dorktacular role-play vibe from this show. Which I hate.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Thanks HawkesNJ!

    by Godai-kun

    Though it sucks that I have to wait until Sunday, at least I'll get to see it.... I had no idea the shows were airing out of order, so I suppose the blame for much of my confusion and frustration should be directed at Fox. Grrr. Argh.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Firefly and baseball

    by Mynock

    Baseball is on ABC Family tonight rather than a real network. Which is, I feel, a sad commentary on how far baseball has fallen on the pop culture checklist of America. Still, I'm glad Firefly will be on.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Firefly episode orders

    by lindsey

    Why the hell is FOX showing Firefly out of order? Isn't this gonna effect the continuity? Also, for all of us that can't see Firefly 'till Sunday- we should write a nasty letter, baseball is for bitches anyway.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Idiot Execs . . .

    by Hamlet3145

    I too feel they should have shown the premier episode at the, gee I don't know, series PREMIER! Watching the first episode I was just like, um, who are these people and why should I care about them?

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 2:48 p.m. CST

    totally weird

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    I can actually understand Fox's desire to show the episodes out of order, even if I don't agree with it. They obviously have some level of respect for Whedon considering they now have THREE of his shows in production, but what I fail to understand is why they keep using the 'girl in a box' cue for the commercials, and then never even allow the audience to understand what it means! And I sure hope this show gets some legs... I find it very funny and would love to see the story to completion.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I don't get the "blue hands" reference...

    by Respect The Cock

    ...because I haven't really seen the show, but didn't Jack Palance play some guy with glowing, blue hands on BUCK ROGERS? And damn if Erin Grey still looks hot in that spandex uniform thingy...mmm, Erin Grey...

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Why Fox Why?

    by Buffys Pimp

    Why do you hire a creative genious like Whedon and then play the episodes all out of order? Show some support and faith in the show - PLAY THE PILOT AND THE REST OF THE EPS IN ORDER......Is that too much to ask?

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 3:13 p.m. CST

    One good thing?

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Maybe by showing all these stand alone episodes they'll get them out of the way and the main story arc will all be told in one piece at the end of the season, unless Fox gets cold feet, that is and pulls the plug. And who was the Exec who thought it was a good idea to show the premiere, which introduces the crew, and brings Simon, River and Book to the ship, after seven or eight episodes have already aired with them already on the ship? At that point, who needs an introduction anymore? **In the beginning of each episode, don't they say hundreds of "Earths" not "planets"? I think thats how it goes, but I could be mistaken. If it is Earths, then couldn't that include Planets, moons, and large asteroids? Maybe all they meant was a system was found with hundreds of floating rocks that were tere-formed into being capable of supporting human life, although not without their quirks, as we saw in 1.3. **The song is horrible, I don't mind the fiddles, but the lyrics. It gets stuck in your head, "you can't take the sky from me." Horrible. I sing it to my roommates to drive them insane. Ones in the bathroom, barefoot and doodling with crayons, as we speak. They should drop the lyrics, then it will be okay, it'll just have that lonesome prairie feel. AT LEAST its not as bad as Enterprise's theme though. That one was written by Satan, I think. **The thing I don't get is: Whats so hard for some people to figure out about this show? I think its a simple and familiar set up. Oppressive government leads to a culture of people who live outside the law, as smugglers, thieves, and occasionally rebels. They are gray with their morals and political standpoints, but something (River?) will force them to take a stand and emerge as heros. The unwilling Hero is a classic of the Campbell mythos. And I think Cowboys are very apropos for Space. The old west was vast and lawless and lonely. Space is the same, (with the current exception of the lawless thing... for now.) I think the transplant is an easy one. Although I can understand how some people don't like westerns and their trappings and why some people prefer different kinds of Sci-fi to others. Me, I prefer the Dystopian. Fascist governments, oppressive regimes, bands of Rebels, and all that to the Utopian version of benevolent governments and everyone reaching out in peace and bringing the multiple species together. Thats why I always prefered Star Wars to Star Trek. Also, do you really have trouble keeping track of the characters? All eight of them? It just doesn't seem like that many to me, haven't you ever read one of those novels with thirty or forty characters and their families all running around, with various sub plots? Those are hard to follow, at times. Eight people on a TV show are not. Besides, would you really want an episode where they all gather 'round the dinner table and tell their life stories? Thats not even how real life works, why would you want it in fiction? You'll get to know the characters, just like in Buffy, it just takes a while, just like in Buffy. I learned this because I turned off Buffy when I saw the very first episode. I came back during season two and now I watch every week. If Fox would have believed in Joss, show the shows in order and maybe given it a better time slot than Friday night, I think you would have seen the characters unfold in a more natural way. But they didn't, so this is how we get it. Thanks Fox! You're the greatest! Way to go! Finally, am I the only one who thought last weeks episode was better than the one before?

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Respect the Cock!

    by Qwerty Uiop

    the "Blue Hands" are some kind of evil scientist/CIA type of guys who were preforming experiments on River (the crazy girl) and now they're looking for her and her brother after her brother sprung her from "the Academy". They are currently hiding out on the Ship.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Fear the axe.

    by chickenmonkey

    First off, thank you, Qwerty, for crystalizing some excellent opinions about the show. I agree with you wholeheartedly, especially about the God-awful theme song, and the pergatorial time-slot. And speaking of... You know, Joss said he wrote season one of Buffy (and every season hence) as though it were the last season. Understandable for the first season, as a mid-season replacement, because no one really thought it would last. But now, with Firefly, it seems his motto is to write every EPISODE as though it were the last. This combined with Fox's shi#y time slot and three-card monty shuffling - I hear we won't see the "real" pilot until DECEMBER - it all makes me think Mutant Enemy's getting quite shafted. Hey, execs cancel things for the lamest of reasons, without regard to any fans feelings. Is there anywhere we can do somekind of pre-emptive strike to petition that Fox keep Firefly? I sure would hate to invest emotion into another Farscape.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:07 p.m. CST

    The way I see it

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Any show like this is going to get canned. Its just the way it works. They struggle through three or four season (hopefully, but most of the time much less) then thy're cut. The only ones that stick around for longer are ones with established fanbases (Star Trek and maybe Angel, although this season will tell) or if they can bring in other markets, like Buffy brought in the teen girls with all the romance and make up and such. Firefly's only hope is that it ISN'T hard core sci-fi, so maybe it won't turn off non geeks. Lets admit it, if Farscape had been on a regular network, it would have been showing on Sunday afternoon, between Xena and Lost World, before it would have been axed, after a season. (which reminds me, can someone help? I watched the whole first season box set of Farscape, six tapes, 12 episodes, and there was no over arc story line that had any resolution, was this only half the season?) If Firefly can bring up a hunky and/or hot character for the teen mags or People and MTV, then it'll last a bit. If not, oh well, but such is the reality of enjoying and following these genre shows.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Two by Two, Hands of Blue

    by Woolam

    Hey there Respect and Qwerty. Qwerty had most of it right. S/He just forgot to mention that the scientists wore blue gloves. That explains the Hands of Blue. Also they always travel in pairs.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Girls against boys

    by chickenmonkey

    Well, I guess I'll just resign myself to the fact that genre shows will never get the same respect as, say, the misnamed "Everybody Loves Raymond," and I'll just hope we get a full season out of Mal and his crew. (Or two, for syndication fun!) As far as the Tiger Beat stuff goes, I think they're playing to the guys this time with the eye-candy that is Inara, the hot mechanic (a chick who digs engines!) and, um, I forgot her name. Kendra or something. You know, the married gal. And tonights episode sounds like more of the same, with a flirty "payment." I doubt Mal, Jayne, or um, that guy -- You know, the married guy -- would ever be lusted after in the same way as Spike, Angel, Riley, or John Crichton. I guess only time will tell. And hey, too bad the Alliance isn't going to be around for this episode -- I was looking forward to spotting more floating amps!

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Qwerty, perhaps my "too many characters" criticism was a bit off

    by Godai-kun

    After hearing what all of you are saying about Fox's scheduling of the show, I'd like to take back my earlier comment. It's not the amount of characters that bothers me. In fact, a huge reason I watch Buffy and Angel is because of the ever expanding cast. But Firefly was different. It was as if I had walked in in the middle of a movie. To put it in AICN friendly terms, it was as if FOTR had begun with the fellowship already assembled, promising to explain how and why it was assembled after the Two Towers came out. In the first Firefly episode to air, they make reference to bringing the preacher onboard, as if we're supposed to already have knowledge of this. Of course we don't, because Fox never aired the pilot. So no, I don't want a roundtable discussion of every detail of each characters' life, but I would like to know the basics. Like how two crewmembers (the doc and preacher), who are so obviously new to the ship, so much so that it defines their characters at this point, got there. No matter. I'll find out when the pilot airs. My apologies to Whedon and crew. What I originally chalked up to bad writing, I can now blame on Fox execs. Bet they didn't show Cedric the Entertainer Presents out of order.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Hey Ulcer

    by Hoof Hearted

    Julia Roberts in Pretty woman played a street walking prostitute, she was the lowest on the the already low hooker ladder. she was a ho. Pretty woman was the story of a rich business man picking up a whore. I don't know why people find that movie romantic. She was a ho, she fucked guys for pocket change. She probably had an STD. For god's sake she worked the Hollywood boulevard circuit. It was not romantic, it was fucking creepy.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:37 p.m. CST

    See Fox! Do you see!

    by Qwerty Uiop

    That is why the pilot should have been first.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:44 p.m. CST

    speaking of LotR

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Everyone here saw the new Two Towers trailer, right? It kicks ass.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Re: LOTR TT

    by chickenmonkey

    Mmmm... It's like chicken with a side of chicken.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    I will admit, that I am ready for the Alliance/Academy?river story to start up. I want to here more about it, plus it'll hopefully mean less of River moaning and squirming in the corner. And I think the Pilot's name is Wash, and the mechanic is named Kaylee. But I can't remember... Zoe! thats the married ones name.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by chickenmonkey

    Yes, I too am sick of Babbling Brook. Maybe the drugs in her system? or the getting out of cryo sleep too soon? or the Reavery-madness? will wear off soon, and we'll get some actual Dialogue from her. And ya think maybe Wash is short for Washington? Either way, Malcom and Simon seem like the only two "normal" names on the show, even if they are a bit on the limey side. Sigh, I'm still at work -- until 11pm, and I won't get to see it live with the rest of you peeps. So come 7, I'll be incommunicado 'til I get to see it on tape. Hope I set my VCR correctly...

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 6:53 p.m. CST


    by Lt. Torello

    Since you're catching up with the F/X reruns, you can see for yourself how much sharper "Buffy" was, even in its earliest days. It's hard to believe "Firefly" is made by the same folks.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Hey, now, Lieutenant All-Caps.

    by chickenmonkey

    I agree Buffy rules above all others, but it was a bit rocky for that first half-season. Remember the praying mantis substitute teacher? That episode lasted 50 minutes too long. Upon reviewing the second season DVDs, I say the show really started to evolve with the arrival of Spike. He complicated the Buffy/Angel realationship by continually reminding them both of what Angel really was. I think we need to wait until we get a firm grasp on Firefly's characters before we compare the two shows, and before Joss starts complicating them as well. One more reason they should have aired the pilot first.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Screw the Yankees....

    by Bockopolis

    Come on, Fox, I don't want to see the Yankees. Fuck 'em. And the shows will air 4:00 on Sun? Isn't there a football game on Sun on FOX? I hope not because I like this show. Oh and the woman who plays Inara (the hooker) is a fine piece of ass.

  • k, I'm checking out next week's episode too. Having never watched Buffy (not saying Whedon sucks, but there was too much continuity going on for me to drop right in) I'm rather enjoying this episode. (but the sci-fi geek in me still got more of a kick out of this week's Rommie appearance on Enterprise) Good stuff, so far.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:08 p.m. CST

    still waiting for it to grab me

    by coop

    I am an admitted Buffy fanatic and major Joss fan but so far this show isn't doing it for me. This week's Buffy was definitely better than this and you gave Firefly a higher rating? I like the characters and all but the whole plot of people going back to the 1800s in fashion music and technology just seems too much of a stretch for me. They fly to a planet to settle, and when they get there they just completely get rid of all their technology? Are they just all Quakers who caught a ride to another planet? I just don't get the logic of it. They would at least have motorized buggies and generators don't you think?

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:18 p.m. CST

    This is why I never kiss 'em on the mouth!

    by ArchDiver

    This show is ripe with the funny. If given a chance, I think the story arcs will flesh out. I have faith in ME. mmmm... Faith! ...erm, excuse me...**** I, for one, am thoroughly pleased that the Farscape comparisons have ceased. Firefly has more in common with Gunsmoke, or Have Gun Will Travel, than Farscape. That and the bitching about anachronistic weapons. Low-tech in farflung colonies makes sense, and has been addressed by scifi writers in the past. Read Heinlein. AD out

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Did a WB exec move to Fox? Cuz it sure looks like someone at Fo

    by Anyawatcher

    Fox Skips the 2 hour pilot and moves around the order of the show. Only good thing about the show being on Friday is that it will be only interrupted once by shitty baseball playoffs which are on every day. Give the show a full season and promote it well, it will find an audience. and if not maybe UPN will be kind enough to take it off their hand. It seems they like the genre audience-smaller than network but loyal. This show has alot of promise.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I love this show

    by Blacket-Man

    I love the space shots, all silent shot with a hand held cam look. Great humor. The cast works great. No mosnter of the week problem Buffy seems to get dragged into. I love the look of the interior of the ship. I remember seeing the Alliance ship for the first time, thinking how gay, and then they shoot the nice close up of it. Nothing is at it seems. I fucking love this show, I love the opening credits. I love it's pacing. It is OK for a show to be slow and deliberate if it is actually going somewhere. They hired Ben Fucking Englund. Jesus, how can you not love this show.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:39 p.m. CST

    About that Low-tech in the frontier of the galaxy thing...

    by JTylor

    I think it might have to do with the fact that settling is such an expensive process to begin with. Last episode, the derelict ship Serenity found was, first, only going to be a one-way trip (the ship is normally good for short-range but was modded to do one long-range trip with several families on-board), with a great deal of money spent on scratch supplies: seed grains for starting crops, etc. Remember, the planets being settled aren't established yet, and are essentially starting at the level of, say, the American West or any other state-of -the-art, yet largely agricultural culture. High-tech is hugely expensive and ultimately less cost-effective than, say, horses or more renewable resources, especially to start.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Wow, that was... hot

    by Juni B

    Damn I wanna read that bible! The first episode aired was good, though a bit slow to start. Last weeks just totally kicked ass, loving the reavers. This weeks was big on the funny, and damn, that was all kinds of sexy. Oh, and I'm loving the music, especially in this weeks installment, and the themesong is catchy!

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, and tonight's episode was really good

    by JTylor

    I think it's been on its way up, as I really enjoyed last week's too. Jayne trying to trade "Vera" for Saffron was too priceless.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, and ...

    by JTylor

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and... (Damn, hit enter instead of tab)

    by JTylor

    "You're going to that special Hell, reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the theater."

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Oh a couple more things

    by Juni B

    Love how space is silent, finally! And the costume design kicks ass, their spacesuites are really cool, and Inara's outfit in that last scene was just awesome. That net was one of the coolest space things ever. Great design work!

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Was That...

    by FNORDknt

    Was that the captain my captain from "The Shield." Captaining the net shield ship...

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Ben Edlund and that John Doe show

    by coop

    Don't get me wrong, I want the show to be good, I am keeping hope alive. The next episode is written by Ben Edlund so we will see what he is adding to this show soon enough (two weeks). That John Doe show is getting better again. The last scene with the mysterious evil guys and that old woman makes me excited that they have a plan for this show. I was hoping they had figured out the whole back story ahead of time and it looks like they are gonna be going places. It's gonna have a real sci-fi back story too which is cool.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:18 p.m. CST

    They are going to air the pilot...

    by coop

    According to the Firefly website, it looks like they will be showing the pilot December 13. I figured that since Joss is only writing and directing the pilot and the train robbery this season, the next episode that is written and directed by Joss is the untitled episode 11 (or part I of the pilot).

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by Lt. Torello a writers screening in Pasadena. It still had the timecode and didn't have all the effects done, but it was otherwise complete...and surprisingly dull. The characters are just types, not real lived-in (or unlived-in) folks like Buffy, Angel, Xander, Willow, etc. I was hoping the "one-shot" episodes we're getting now would be better. They are, but not by much. Don't get me wrong, I worship Joss Whedon as much as anyone here does (and should), but "Firefly" is not showing the promise, wit, and originality of the early Buffy's. I agree, "Teacher's Pet" is the weakest of Season 1 Buffy, but it's still better than the "Firefly" eps we've been treated to so far, simply because the characters are so much more identifiable and the dialog so much sharper. I've yet to hear a single memorable line of dialog in "Firefly." All that said, I still hope "Firefly" is a success, if only because I want Joss to have enough clout to keep doing the projects he wants.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:04 p.m. CST

    sci-fi western

    by DetroitGator

    i've only seen this ep. so far.....but a good way the sci-fi/western genre was used in a book called santiago...i forget the authors name

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:34 p.m. CST

    OK -- THIS is why I HATE this show (HATE HATE HATE)

    by Oknight

    OK-- they start out with that DAMNED stagecoach robbery scene and I think "alright its just too far over the top, now I can safely not like this show" and then they do the rest of the episode as GOOD as this one! ARRRRRGGGGGH. BASTARDS! I think I'm probably glad that I can't imagine this thing lasting til mid-season-- this has just GOT to have cancelation fodder stamped all over it. I hope they make it as far as showing the pilot. I still like the damned show, but I'm not sure its worth the agravation. GEEZE Josh, you sure the TROWEL you're using to slap on that western stuff is big enough? Sure you're not being too SUBTLE here? I think some folks might a-not have gotten that these here are western sorts o' folks (consarn it, by cracky!).

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:36 p.m. CST

    F*cking baseball game!

    by IAmLegolas

    So are they going to show FIREFLY after this nonsense or will it be cut up or completely cut out?

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Low-tech and western settlers: I don't buy it. But the crew

    by The Killer-Goat

    If it's really that expensive to settle on planets, where's the money coming from? And if there WAS money to begin with...why'd it all get spent on old western clothing??? Sheet, man, even the latest fashions don't tap earlier than the 70's! We could use a little imagination in their costume dept. for something 400+yrs in our future, maybe? I would even accept the idea that they're all illegal immigrants, taking one way trips to some unsettled planet with nothing but a potato sack of clothes, grit in their eyes, and a dream. IF they showed some other planets that were on the other extreme of the economical scale...but hey, if Fox would quit showing us the episodes that use the same settings all the time... Any similarity between Firefly and Brisco County was that, in Brisco the scifi was the oddball factor in a western setting, made to seem obviously ludicrous for the intentional guffaw. Here, the western cowboy factor is a very LARGE oddball in a scifi setting, and it hurts credibility. It's romantic, sure, but if the human race is such a diverse multitude of clashing cultures, why are all the planets visited so far filled with redneck anglo-americans riding horses? Okay, break in bitching: I love the characters on this show, they play off each other very, very well and it's great fun. This really is the best captain since, well, Tales of the Gold Monkey. I even like their situation of the ship and weaponry and stuff. Really, a bullet or a laser or even an energy-mass projectile will kill you all the same, and none of them care if you're in outer space or on a planet... Too early to comment on plot continuity, thanks to Fox. Back to bitching. In my opinion, the best presentation of colonization was handled oh-so-briefly in Aliens: only the hugest, wealthiest corporations would be able to invest anything solid into terraforming, mining, or even climate control. And if we're going to tap into any contemporary issues so folks can relate somewhat, even the ruling gov't (democracy, monarchy, oligar--hell with it) has the potential to be ridden like a mule by the corporate industry of technology R&D. Everyone seems to have accepted terraforming as a plausible science for all the planets encountered so far. Working the ground is easy, but you need to start with atmosphere and climate first. I mean, you need to realize just how mind-boggingly, remotely, statistically, LUCKY our human race is that a) the weather, air supply, and gravity on our planet are just so balanced and consistent that we haven't become extinct in the miniscule 3000+yrs the we've existed (global warming, here we come...). Then consider how freakishly impossible it would be to convert the 'atmosphere' of someplace like Mercury into breathable air of any kind capable of sustaining the "earthlike" vegetation they keep showing planet after planet, not to mention the issue of *controlling* it consistently. This doesn't even touch on the issue of magically creating "air" on a moon with a total vacuum. And before anyone starts shouting, yes I think Enterprise handles science a little better, BUT only within their linear philosophy. And only with just enough key words out of the annual Almanac of Science and Technology to settle the ruffles. Besides, the only likeable person is Tripp (yes, another likeable 'cowboy'). As for Farscape, it was the extreme range in "diverse alien life form" plots, to the point of imitating Star Trek's dizzying insanity. But I agree with a previous poster that Star Wars probably handles the intergalactic political themes best for atmosphere, and they certainly offer a better example of supposed colonization of other worlds. Sure, Luke had a swanky speeder...which looked 40yrs older than anything else we saw outside of Mos Eisley or the planet itself. Even in the new trilogy, I like the plot threads surrounding the trade routes, political tensions and manipulations, etc. much better than the immediate plots taking up most of the 2hr stories. Okay, flame away...............NOW!

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:49 p.m. CST

    I have to say . . .

    by Hamlet3145

    . . . tonight's episode was funny, sexy, and good. If anyone is on the fence, they should definitely check this one out.

  • Oct. 4, 2002, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Best Ep so far

    by warlock411

    I wish this had been the first one they showed. It started to make me like both the captain and the pros. Dont care about any of the others yet. Lets hope future shows draw us further into the series.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Please let this show survive

    by kobayashi

    This episode WAS better than "Beneath You". Joss's writing here was outstanding. I am loving Firefly. "The Train Job" was okay, but last weeks episode was much better. "Our Mrs. Reynolds" was deserving of four stars - Herc is actually right for a change. Don't get me wrong - Spike burning on a cross is good with the drama, but sex bibles and naked chicks wins any day of the week...

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 12:16 a.m. CST


    by IAmLegolas

    Gah! It didn't even come on after the game, it's just *poof* gone! Great. Now I'll be watching Firefly in this sequence : 3, 4, 6....

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Spoilerless is the way to go

    by kobayashi

    I just realised why I'm liking Firefly more than Buffy - Because I don't know the story as I'm watching it. For the past two years I have not been able to resist reading the Buffy spoilers and I think they're hurting my enjoyment of the show. Is there a 12 step program that can wein me off of the spoiler addiction? "Hi, my name is Kobayashi and I'm a spoilerhaulic..."

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 12:27 a.m. CST

    West Coast - it might be on later tonight

    by chaingunsofdoom

    West Coasters... Stay up late because it MIGHT be on after your local newscast in about an hour and a half. If you look at, say, their schedule has it starting at 11 PM apparently.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 12:28 a.m. CST

    sorry but it's bland

    by OlafGladNBig

    I had high hopes for Firefly but I have to say so far it's really bland, boring even. The show has potential and they're really showcasing the characters so far but for christsake put them in danger or something. Have someone actually threaten them or chase them or something. This latest episode was a bit better but it was all build up with very little payoff. Their ship was disabled but they managed to defeat the scavengers by firing a couple bullets at them. The show needs a villain and some action, I'm hoping we'll see some of this later but if things dont pick up there may not be a later for Firefly.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Has Herc ever given anything written by Joss Whedon *less* than

    by Physicist

    Anyone know the answer?

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Very good episode, and compared to Buffy

    by Drath

    Capt. Malcolm and the companion(Inara, is it) came off the best. Gina Torres, her husband the pilot, and Adam Baldwin still have likable but thus far undeveloped supporting roles. I liked the twist this week, and lots of nice humor. So far, I still feel a proper intro is missing. I don't know if that unaired pilot would solve this problem or not. The show might be able to slowly get me interested in them all, we'll see. The preacher finally made an impression on me(I actually didn't notice him before), so maybe there's hope. I could still use more on the female techie, and the doctor and his sister, reasons to care are always good. I am well aware of the blessings of multiple characters in a story or series, and I wouldn't want flat charicatures either, but wihtout gravitas it's all dead weight. ------------ Medox, Buffy had something right out of the gate, but I didn't become a regular viewer until the second season when the story really started to click. Firefly is a different animal though. On Buffy, the characters were few and well defined early on in a deceptively simple set up that was easy to get into even if you didn't see the whole pilot(I missed part of it). I'd say Firefly is more ambitious both in terms of characters and setting. Where Buffy's own story put her firmly at the center of everything, Firefly is more of an ensemble where the captain's story so far isn't very remarkable outside his being the captain of this group. Also, the western and sci-fi stuff can be off putting at first glance(the openning scene this week looked like a rerun of Dr. Quinn!) We'll see if it can deliver--or if it'll stay on the air long enough to anyway. As for my own take, I feel better about the show now that I did last week.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 1:56 a.m. CST


    by Hoof Hearted

    Each week I've had more and more faith in this show. I wasn't looking forward to "the derelict ship" show, it was much better than expected. I wasn't too excited about this one, but it was hilarious. I think the characters are developing at a nice pace. First episode show-cased the captain and his moral and ethical standards, last episode showed his dedication to his crew, this one gives us more insight into Wash and Zoe, and Shepard Book (used to be an Outlaw, I think), not to mention Inara. In two weeks (I love Baseball, but not when it gets in the way of my shows) we learn more about Jayne. I bet Simon and River are up soon, hopefully we don't have to wait until the pilot finally airs, but maybe. I'm liking this show more every week. ** I think the low tech is based on expenses, hauling all that equipment has to be costly, so I think they only take essentials. Farming can easily be done without high-tech equipment plus, its probably very needed; if theres a whole galaxy colonized, all that meat and grain has to come from somewhere. Oh, and I believe Herc gave this weeks episode of Buffy three stars, which is one less than four, so there you go.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Anyone seen any asian people in this asian themed universe?

    by boomzilla8

    Well have ya? PUNK! maybe all the slang and writing everywhere is like when people get the tattoos they can't read. Or did Josh just get an asian GF and think it'd be cute?

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Coop, Goatkiller and the bad lieutanent

    by Qwerty Uiop

    Coop: Whats logic got to do with it? They settled, they're settlers, plus its a sci-fi western, so its westerny in look. See the pattern? And they do have lights, so they must have a generator. They have Mag-lev mono rails, so they must have cars, but maybe fuel is expensive, so its not as common. If you raise horses or cattle then transportation is free, not to mention you can eat your vehicle if need be. Can't do that with a car, at least not if you want nutrition, that is. Goatkiller: I respect anyone who remembers and loves Tales of the Golden Monkey, but I think that you're thinking too hard about the science af terra forming. Its just a stone in the show's foundation. The terra forming in Aliens wasn't established either, but then again it was just a story about Aliens with acid for blood, so I don't think that it matters, much like Firefly's science. I think the show is more about the adventures of the crew, then the setting. I think Star Trek can have its over bearing science, because Voyager gave me my fill of it. I like the fantasy of it. The show is obviously set up more like Old West tales. Wheres the law that space shows demand strict guide lines that must be followed or they don't make sense? Wheres those rules in Star Wars? What does "doesn't make sense" mean? Its a Space Cowboy show, it takes place in space, with people living in space. Its fake, get it? ** As for the Lt., you obviously don't want to like the show. You can't compare Buffy's characters, established after 6 seasons to a brand new show. Thats a little unfair, don't you think? As for memorable line? What about: "How drunk was I last night?" "I don't know, I passed out." Pure comedy. What do you need from a show to impress you? My guess is nothing will, since you are set against it. The crew's chemistry is great, the Actors are just as good as any on Buffy or Angel, the designs are different from any other genre show on TV right now, the characters back stories are unfolding at a nice pace. (I agree with Hoof's character breakdown. I love the mystery and hints about their pasts.) The only problem is Fox showing the Episodes out of order. I think some of you bitchers are forgetting that there is now only three shows out there, thats it. Three! How much information do you expect in 50 minutes? And the first thing you people (who should have been out on a Friday night) would say if they devoted most of the show to tech explanations would be: "theres not enough character stuff." Don't like it, don't watch it. I can't wait for more, damn baseball.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 2:36 a.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    There hasn't been many Asians, except some in the background, but if that surprises you, then let me be the first to welcome you to America. Welcome!

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Buffy vs. Firefly

    by Hoof Hearted

    I think the character development in Buffy was easier than Firefly. In Buffy, the majority of characters are high school students. Willow was a quiet nerdy girl who lives with her parents and goes to high school. Xander is a geek, who still lives with his parents and goes to high school. Buffy is the slayer, also lives with her parents and goes to high school. The older characters back stories unfolded as the show progressed. In Firefly theres all these characters, most of which grew up on different planets, in different lifestyles, and did different things with their lives before coming together on the ship. There backgrounds are all complex and eclectic. You can't just shove it al together in one show. They're adults who have lived lifes, theres naturally an more involved story there. Thats why they take more time.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Qwerty andf Hoof

    by coop

    Hoof, I think Physicist was asking about shows *written* by Joss, not just shows he created. And I think the answer is no because well, it's Joss for Chrissakes. On to Qwerty, I'm not saying they wouldn't use horses and things wouldn't be scarce but hell, they even dress and talk like they live in the old west. Do you think if you were to colonize another planet that you would revert to earlier fashions, speech and music? If anything you'd probably come up with something new. Why not just go back to Roman fashions? If it's 500 years in the future it makes as much sense.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 2:59 a.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    No, I wouldn't dress like that, but then I'm not living in a western themed sci-fi show. Do you see what I'm saying? Its a western themed sci-fi show. The Frontier Planets are a representation of the Old West, while the Alliance (and central planets, I assume) are more like the more civilized East coast, and dress and talk accordingly. Thats the way the show is set up. Does it make sense, no, but neither does any sci-fi show because its all fiction and takes artisitc license as it will. This show is going to have lots of people dressed like that because of the western theme. Its like asking why they all wore vinyl and sunglasses in the Matrix. Why? Because thats how it is. How come all the civilian dress in the Star Trek shows are all faggy, wide v-neck pirate shirts? I don't know, its just the way it is. See?

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 3:02 a.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    "It just means, you need to give it a chance and maybe think outside of the box you confine your sci fi in." Exactly, man, you summed up the point I was trying to get across beautifully.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 3:08 a.m. CST


    by coop

    Don't get me wrong. I will watch every episode and I am really wanting to like it. I just think it's something that bugs me now and if I had my way it would be different. In my opinion, it's gonna turn the regular non Joss fanatics off and then we will not have it around for long. The next show is written by Ben Edlund so I'm excited about that anyway.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 3:35 a.m. CST

    And theres the rub...

    by Qwerty Uiop

    "if I had my way it would be different" Which sums it up in a nutshell. I understand if its not your perticular thing, but its obviously Joss's. I think hes just trying to do the same thing with Firefly that he did with buffy, a new spin on a classic genre. Only this time its westerns instead of the occult. At least you're giving it a chance, Coop, unlike others. On a side note, theres a surprising lack of Farscapers here this time, usually those bastards are like roaches all over these Firefly TBs. Maybe they finally figured out that Firefly is nothing like Farscape.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Firefly is NOT original

    by Nameless1

    I haven't watched the show yet, and honestly I have little interset in doing so. But one thing that is driving me insane is everyone saying how great and original this show is. From every commerical I have ever seen this show is a blatant ripoff of the Japanese Anime Outlaw Star, from it's Western theme to even the girl found in the suitcase. Give me a break am I the only one?

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Firefly NOT Outlaw Star or any other ripoff

    by 1013nomore

    To Nameless One. I've seen every episode of Outlaw Star and every episode of Firefly. I wouldnt say they were at all the same. You can pick out a couple of similar elements, but the characters, general plot direction, overall theme, etc., are not in the same category. Despite having similar elements to other shows, Firefly is its own creature. By the way, I generally like the show--though not as much as I like Buffy and Angel. I think the episode this past Friday deserved the 4 stars that Herc gave it. I look forward to more and better.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Firefly Cancelled!!!

    by KingOfCrows

    I expect to hear these words any time now...

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Websites For TV Rating??

    by KingOfCrows

    Anyone know what the ratings have been like for firefly?? Are there any good websites available to check the ratings for current TV shows?

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Yankee game

    by hunda64

    Firefly was pre-empted last night by the baseball playoffs, at least in NY. Did we miss anything that's big. Any big changes or movements to plot that's gonna cause me to lose track of the show? And if anyone knows, is this gonna happen again next week?

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 10:52 a.m. CST

    About The Asians...

    by delwin

    The prostitute Inara, I think her name is, looks Asian to me. She looks Indian, and people from India are considered Asian. Other than that I have not seen any other Asians. __________________ Other than that, I really liked this ep. I loved it actually. I think it was the best so far. I laughed my ass off. This is first time I found the minister, reverend guy (what's his name?) interesting and funny. Until last night I didn't see any reason why he should be there at all. "The special hell" Cracked me up! Mal: "You didn't really fall and hit your head did you?" Inara (sp?): "No". Mal: "I knew you kissed her!" LOL!

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Nameless1 your an idiot

    by Anyawatcher

    You HAVEN"T seen the show and you have the balls to say it's a ripoff. Fuck off loser. watch the show 1st then give your worthess input. Firefly rocks. Fuck Cowboy Beebop, Farscape or whatever else it's compared too. People who knock it by saying it's like a certain show just want something to bitch about. They like to come on every board and bitch and complain and put it down in an attempt to make themselves look like they are smarter than the creators of the show.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 12:39 p.m. CST

    NewYorkKid, um no

    by Juni B

    Inara's hot, but she can't compare to my Fred! Hell, Fred may even be better then first three seasons Willow, and that, my friends, is saying something.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Qwerty.. you ask...

    by Da-Met

    and you shall receive, I'm a big Scaper. But I like Firefly, i liked this episode.. however I am hoping that we get some more scifi plots.. I lreally like the spacebound parts of the show but hate the western stuff. I honestly didn't expect the western stuff to be so overt, I thought it was more of a "western mentality" on the frontier and stuff, but then they're all wearing cowboy boots and hats and riding buggies and I'm like WTF? Anyways I liked last week's episode better, the Reavers and the Alliance, I want to get into THAT arc! If anything I would like it to be more like Scape, in the sense where it can give new twists to old scifi cliches, which I'm sure Joss CAN do, so lets see it! ---- Also Qwerty you asked something abuot farscape season 1 above somewhere... S1 was 22 eps not 12, so you probably saw about half of it. Its generally standalones (with a few tidbits here and there) until the last bunch of episodes. Episodes 15-22 in particular, with only one of those being a complete standalone. 19-22 in particular flow from one right to the next.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 2:15 p.m. CST

    A bird lives in a round stick!

    by chickenmonkey

    Reading the very last line of the review leaves me quite vexed. Does anyone have a clue as to what this madman is saying here? Is this an LSD-induced reference to the fact that Firefly was preempted by baseball for some viewers? A reference to that rain-stick thingy that Jane got? WTF?

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 5:57 p.m. CST

    How come they keep lapsing into Chinese?

    by McCormic

    Anyway, I think everyone can agree that this show is highly anime influnced. And the problem with most things American that I highly anime influnced (including this) is that they all end up being pale imatations. The cultures are too diffrent. You can't do everything that makes anime great and stupid.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    Thanks Da-Met, I've been asking that question for awhile and no one had even responded. All I saw was the first season, six tape, 12 episode box set, and I liked it just fine, but it seemed like all stand alone episodes and the lack of any resolution surprised me, but if it was only half of the season, then I understand. **I completely agree that I can't wait to see more with the alliance and the reavers, I'm also excited about the return of Niska and his criminal underworld, who you know are still pissed about that how that Train Job panned out. Although I disagree that the show should be "more like Farscape", because Farscape is its own thing, and so is Firefly. I think they should be different, because there's different types of Sci-fi fans and there should be something for everyone. Hell, theres even Dark Angel fans out there, if you needed proof that we all have EXTREMELY different tastes. I am, like others here have also mentioned, very glad that there's no aliens. Frankly, I'm tired of them, and the whole, these are the Russina Cosack type Aliens, these are the Japanese type Aliens, these are the Arab type aliens. Farscape and Star Trek (to a certain degree) have made the aliens look good, and Whedon has done similiarly with his demons, but theres always an unavoidable sense of unreality around them. Their suits are too rubbery or you can't stop staring at the line where the make-up didn't quite cover up the mask. After awhile, it ceases to add to the show for me. Farscape did do the best job with it, except I hated the way the Lukon looked, but theres only so much you can do and base the aliens on within the realm of budget and technology. I'm glad its just humans roaming around in this one. ** As for this numbnut: "I haven't watched the show yet, and honestly I have little interset in doing so. But one thing that is driving me insane is everyone saying how great and original this show is." What an ass. Didn't he read his post? He should change his TB name to Master of Unitentional Irony. What an ass, he sees one brief glimpse of River in her cryo-box (which admittedly technically hasn't even been in the show yet, they could change it.) and thinks the whole show is a rip off of Outlaw Star and then has the nust to admit that he hasn't even seen Firefly? Insane. Now I don't know this guy, but I think hes just a cheap rip off of a recent labotomy patient.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    Thanks Da-Met, I've been asking that question for awhile and no one had even responded. All I saw was the first season, six tape, 12 episode box set, and I liked it just fine, but it seemed like all stand alone episodes and the lack of any resolution surprised me, but if it was only half of the season, then I understand. **I completely agree that I can't wait to see more with the alliance and the reavers, I'm also excited about the return of Niska and his criminal underworld, who you know are still pissed about that how that Train Job panned out. Although I disagree that the show should be "more like Farscape", because Farscape is its own thing, and so is Firefly. I think they should be different, because there's different types of Sci-fi fans and there should be something for everyone. Hell, theres even Dark Angel fans out there, if you needed proof that we all have EXTREMELY different tastes. I am, like others here have also mentioned, very glad that there's no aliens. Frankly, I'm tired of them, and the whole, these are the Russina Cosack type Aliens, these are the Japanese type Aliens, these are the Arab type aliens. Farscape and Star Trek (to a certain degree) have made the aliens look good, and Whedon has done similiarly with his demons, but theres always an unavoidable sense of unreality around them. Their suits are too rubbery or you can't stop staring at the line where the make-up didn't quite cover up the mask. After awhile, it ceases to add to the show for me. Farscape did do the best job with it, except I hated the way the Lukon looked, but theres only so much you can do and base the aliens on within the realm of budget and technology. I'm glad its just humans roaming around in this one. ** As for this numbnut: "I haven't watched the show yet, and honestly I have little interset in doing so. But one thing that is driving me insane is everyone saying how great and original this show is." What an ass. Didn't he read his post? He should change his TB name to Master of Unitentional Irony. What an ass, he sees one brief glimpse of River in her cryo-box (which admittedly technically hasn't even been in the show yet, they could change it.) and thinks the whole show is a rip off of Outlaw Star and then has the nust to admit that he hasn't even seen Firefly? Insane. Now I don't know this guy, but I think hes just a cheap rip off of a recent labotomy patient.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the double post

    by Qwerty Uiop

    damn TB order.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Asshole gets Life!

    by Qwerty Uiop

    I hope to hear Bionic Monkey does just that very soon.

  • Oct. 5, 2002, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by Hoof Hearted

    Was there ever any explanation as to why Aeryn was unaffected by the heat of the desert planet during the bounty Hunter episode? It struck me as odd that she didn't succomb to the living death or even have a problem with the heat due to Sebatians weakness to higher temperatures?

  • Oct. 6, 2002, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Confidence in Firefly

    by hessian

    There is very good news on the FIREFLY front. First, the ratings for the 3rd week are up 20% over Week 2 - that's an incredibly good sign. Probably had a lot to do with promoting the show to all those men watching baseball all week. (Men like westerns AND sci-fi!) Second, FOX currently has FIREFLY scheduled to air all four Fridays of the November ratings period. Folks, I can't tell you how significant that is. I've worked at Fox TV stations for....well ever since Fox launched - and I can't remember the last time they didn't bump the Friday night lineup for a special or movie. DARK ANGEL NEVER aired for all four weeks of ANY ratings period. Never. My best guess as to the last show Fox allowed to air uninterrupted like this would have to be THE X-FILES. Programming note: baseball WILL pre-empt both FIREFLY and JOHN DOE for ONE TIME ONLY on the 11th.

  • Oct. 6, 2002, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Hey! Bionic Monkey!

    by ArchDiver

    Why don't you go into a crowded theater and yell "Fire!"? You frellin jackass troll. AD out

  • Oct. 6, 2002, 10:09 p.m. CST

    So, anyway

    by Hoof Hearted

    I'm roaming the Internet earlier and come across one of those Fanfiction sites and did you know that they already have some of those creepy "relationship" fanfic stories for Firefly. I mean, going to a talk back is one thing, but making up extremely tame sex stories for the Internet about TV characters is just plain strange. Who are those people?

  • Oct. 7, 2002, 10:42 a.m. CST


    by GypsyTRobot

    Best episode so far - laughed out loud many times. Nice to meet a new character, a gun named Vera. As to quibbling about Westernisms and horse-driven wagons in space, here is some rationalization. It is part of human history that some people get pushed to the fringes of the known world (debtors and criminals kicked out of England and sent to North America and Australia) and that people sometimes regress culturally and technologically (the Dark Ages in Europe). Maybe the central government went crazy terraforming all the suitable planets they could find. The more fortunate people settled on central worlds, developed them, and are living high-tech, happy lives. Meanwhile a lot of poor bastards are consigned to outer worlds where little in the way of paved roads and other infratstructure have been built. Maybe it's easier to bring horses and livestock and till the land the old-fashioned way. At the very least the horses, oxen and the like can reproduce on their own, whereas if the tractor conks out there's no John Deere outlet for the next 5 parsecs. Also Joss can wiggle out of some problems here by saying there's a Luddite (anti-technology) movement going on. Even in this day and age there are the Amish, Mennonites, and other groups who lead low-tech, insular lives in the United States. Now the Westernisms kinda bug me too, I wish they'd remove the cheesy Westernisms from the dialogue and tone down the Western wear just a tad. A light flavoring of Western ain't bad though. Note to Joss: if the actors are going to Chinese, have them say it like they mean it! I've never heard such a weak "ay-yah." In between Shakespeare readings with the Buffy gang, invite the Firefly crew over to watch subtitled John Woo and Tsui Hark flicks.

  • Oct. 7, 2002, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Damn good

    by squid

    I've watched all of the episodes aired to date...good stuff. I haven't found the western stuff to be too distracting. Last week's episode with the stow-away was probably the funniest yet.

  • Oct. 7, 2002, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by squid

    The space sci-fi angle has been done to death with the Babylon 5's and the 50 million Star Trek series. I'm finding the western flavor and the rogue nature of the crew a refreshing twist on what has become a rather tired genre.

  • Oct. 7, 2002, 5:46 p.m. CST


    by Drath

    I don't know if you were referring to my post which delt with the familiarity of the characters and comparisons to Buffy, but to answer a few of your points: I don't think comparing Buffy and Firefly is a bad thing, so long as you aren't irrationally attacking the new kid on the block just for being different. I certainly was not being unfair to Firefly in my comparison of the two shows. I still think the one problem for Firefly is that we have a lot of characters, who so far have not all been showcased. Buffy was able to do that very quickly--but then it only had a few characters and a two hour pilot(and I would argue, a simpler to explain setting). This doesn't mean Firefly doesn't work, I view it as reasons to give the show more time. I think Fox's broadcasting the eps out of order isn't right too. Normally an ensemble show like Firefly would give a good bit of attention to each character early on, but I still don't have a feel at all for the doctor, his sister(assuming there's more to her than insanity), and the female engineer. Would I have liked this episode in the second season? I liked this episode now. Will I like it more when I know more about everyone? I would like to think so, time will tell. My complaints have more to do with the start of the series(and Fox's presentation) than of the episode we just saw, and I don't think I'm wrong to name those complaints on Talkback. Like I said, I don't know if you were responding to me, but I wanted you to know not all of us critics are enemies of the show, I think I will grow to like this one very much.------------PS, I agree, if Andromeda lasts longer than Firefly there is no justice.

  • Oct. 7, 2002, 6:09 p.m. CST


    by Qwerty Uiop

    I think the Docter and River and Shepard Book explanation was the territory of the as yet unaired pilot, so if it had been aired in order, we'd know them already to a certain degree. With a little more Jayne coming in two weeks, I'd bet Kaylee isn't far behind for her own episode. Thats my take, at least.

  • Oct. 8, 2002, 1:45 p.m. CST

    The use of music in this episode . . .

    by Braider

    was just fabulous. Especially the "did you really just trip?" . . . "I KNEW you let her kiss you!" scene. I laughed as much at the music as at the dialog.