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BIRDS OF PREY: Learn Which DC Superhero Visits Gotham!! (Hint: It's Not Bruce, Dick, Ollie or Clark!)
SPOILER ALERT !!
The Black Canary is coming to Gotham!!
And she’s Dinah Lance’s mommy!!
“But wait,” you object. “Isn’t this old news? Isn’t the Black Canary one of the show’s regular characters? Isn’t Dinah Lance the Black Canary?”
No, no and no. In the “Birds of Prey” TV series, Dinah Lance is one of the regular characters, but she’s not Black Canary. At least not yet.
Confused? Some background:
In DC’s current “Birds of Prey” comic book, the two main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic code-named Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl) and
- the blonde twentysomething (non-psychic) martial arts expert code-named Black Canary (aka Dinah Laurel Lance aka Green Arrow’s ex-girlfriend), whose superpowered “scream” can knock bad guys on hinders. (In the current DC universe, Dinah’s mom is Dinah Drake Lance, the retired “golden age” Black Canary.)
In the WB’s upcoming “Birds of Prey” TV series, the three main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl),
- the twentysomething superpowered butt-kicker The Huntress (aka Helena Kyle, the illegitimate daughter of the non-superpowered Batman and the superpowered Catwoman), and
- the blonde teen psychic Dinah Lance, who in the pilot arrives in Gotham wholly devoid of martial arts abilities and any hint of super-scream. Nobody even thinks to call Dinah “Black Canary” - nor would they have reason to.
Interesting choices, yes? It seemed perhaps as if the only reason the show’s creators named the teen psychic “Dinah Lance” was because there was an (entirely differerent) regular character in the comic by that name. But we’ve just learned there’s more to the WB’s Dinah Lance than originally suspected.
In an upcoming “Birds or Prey” episode titled “Sins of the Mother,” Dinah’s estranged mom, leggy, blonde 38-year-old Carolyn Lance, turns up in Gotham. We learn Carolyn has extraordinary martial arts abilities, a super-scream, and has fought crime under the name - Black Canary.
We also learn that, years ago, Carolyn infiltrated - and brought down - Gotham’s most powerful crime family by feigning a romantic interest in its leader’s son. Today that son is still in Gotham and looking for payback.
More surprises. Helena’s mom and Dinah’s mom, it turns out, knew each other in the old days, but “didn’t get along,” according to Barbara. This is likely due to the fact that Carolyn Lance was a superhero and Selena Kyle had a history of thieving supervillainy; Barbara, however, also chalks it up to “some sort of bird-cat thing.” Wary of the Huntress’ maternal parentage, Carolyn warns Helena to “stay away from my daughter.”
Carolyn’s secret life is news to Dinah, however. The younger Lance remembers that when she was little, she and her mom “traveled all the time,” but Dinah never had a clue that Carolyn was chasing criminals the whole time. The Black Canary ultimately gave Dinah up at an early age and didn’t keep in touch. “I was trying to protect you,” explains Carolyn when the pair is belatedly reunited in Gotham.
The “Birds of Prey” pilot recently underwent extensive reshoots to incorporate, among other things, the new the heroes’ new watchtower HQ set and late hire Mia Sara, who replaces Sherilyn Fenn as the first season’s “big bad,” Harleen Quinzel.
It’ll be interesting to see, in light of what we learn in “Sins of the Mother,” if the pilot’s introduction of Dinah remains intact.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
“But wait,” you object. “Isn’t this old news? Isn’t the Black Canary one of the show’s regular characters? Isn’t Dinah Lance the Black Canary?”
No, no and no. In the “Birds of Prey” TV series, Dinah Lance is one of the regular characters, but she’s not Black Canary. At least not yet.
Confused? Some background:
In DC’s current “Birds of Prey” comic book, the two main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic code-named Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl) and
- the blonde twentysomething (non-psychic) martial arts expert code-named Black Canary (aka Dinah Laurel Lance aka Green Arrow’s ex-girlfriend), whose superpowered “scream” can knock bad guys on hinders. (In the current DC universe, Dinah’s mom is Dinah Drake Lance, the retired “golden age” Black Canary.)
In the WB’s upcoming “Birds of Prey” TV series, the three main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl),
- the twentysomething superpowered butt-kicker The Huntress (aka Helena Kyle, the illegitimate daughter of the non-superpowered Batman and the superpowered Catwoman), and
- the blonde teen psychic Dinah Lance, who in the pilot arrives in Gotham wholly devoid of martial arts abilities and any hint of super-scream. Nobody even thinks to call Dinah “Black Canary” - nor would they have reason to.
Interesting choices, yes? It seemed perhaps as if the only reason the show’s creators named the teen psychic “Dinah Lance” was because there was an (entirely differerent) regular character in the comic by that name. But we’ve just learned there’s more to the WB’s Dinah Lance than originally suspected.
In an upcoming “Birds or Prey” episode titled “Sins of the Mother,” Dinah’s estranged mom, leggy, blonde 38-year-old Carolyn Lance, turns up in Gotham. We learn Carolyn has extraordinary martial arts abilities, a super-scream, and has fought crime under the name - Black Canary.
We also learn that, years ago, Carolyn infiltrated - and brought down - Gotham’s most powerful crime family by feigning a romantic interest in its leader’s son. Today that son is still in Gotham and looking for payback.
More surprises. Helena’s mom and Dinah’s mom, it turns out, knew each other in the old days, but “didn’t get along,” according to Barbara. This is likely due to the fact that Carolyn Lance was a superhero and Selena Kyle had a history of thieving supervillainy; Barbara, however, also chalks it up to “some sort of bird-cat thing.” Wary of the Huntress’ maternal parentage, Carolyn warns Helena to “stay away from my daughter.”
Carolyn’s secret life is news to Dinah, however. The younger Lance remembers that when she was little, she and her mom “traveled all the time,” but Dinah never had a clue that Carolyn was chasing criminals the whole time. The Black Canary ultimately gave Dinah up at an early age and didn’t keep in touch. “I was trying to protect you,” explains Carolyn when the pair is belatedly reunited in Gotham.
The “Birds of Prey” pilot recently underwent extensive reshoots to incorporate, among other things, the new the heroes’ new watchtower HQ set and late hire Mia Sara, who replaces Sherilyn Fenn as the first season’s “big bad,” Harleen Quinzel.
It’ll be interesting to see, in light of what we learn in “Sins of the Mother,” if the pilot’s introduction of Dinah remains intact.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
Confused? Some background:
In DC’s current “Birds of Prey” comic book, the two main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic code-named Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl) and
- the blonde twentysomething (non-psychic) martial arts expert code-named Black Canary (aka Dinah Laurel Lance aka Green Arrow’s ex-girlfriend), whose superpowered “scream” can knock bad guys on hinders. (In the current DC universe, Dinah’s mom is Dinah Drake Lance, the retired “golden age” Black Canary.)
In the WB’s upcoming “Birds of Prey” TV series, the three main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl),
- the twentysomething superpowered butt-kicker The Huntress (aka Helena Kyle, the illegitimate daughter of the non-superpowered Batman and the superpowered Catwoman), and
- the blonde teen psychic Dinah Lance, who in the pilot arrives in Gotham wholly devoid of martial arts abilities and any hint of super-scream. Nobody even thinks to call Dinah “Black Canary” - nor would they have reason to.
Interesting choices, yes? It seemed perhaps as if the only reason the show’s creators named the teen psychic “Dinah Lance” was because there was an (entirely differerent) regular character in the comic by that name. But we’ve just learned there’s more to the WB’s Dinah Lance than originally suspected.
In an upcoming “Birds or Prey” episode titled “Sins of the Mother,” Dinah’s estranged mom, leggy, blonde 38-year-old Carolyn Lance, turns up in Gotham. We learn Carolyn has extraordinary martial arts abilities, a super-scream, and has fought crime under the name - Black Canary.
We also learn that, years ago, Carolyn infiltrated - and brought down - Gotham’s most powerful crime family by feigning a romantic interest in its leader’s son. Today that son is still in Gotham and looking for payback.
More surprises. Helena’s mom and Dinah’s mom, it turns out, knew each other in the old days, but “didn’t get along,” according to Barbara. This is likely due to the fact that Carolyn Lance was a superhero and Selena Kyle had a history of thieving supervillainy; Barbara, however, also chalks it up to “some sort of bird-cat thing.” Wary of the Huntress’ maternal parentage, Carolyn warns Helena to “stay away from my daughter.”
Carolyn’s secret life is news to Dinah, however. The younger Lance remembers that when she was little, she and her mom “traveled all the time,” but Dinah never had a clue that Carolyn was chasing criminals the whole time. The Black Canary ultimately gave Dinah up at an early age and didn’t keep in touch. “I was trying to protect you,” explains Carolyn when the pair is belatedly reunited in Gotham.
The “Birds of Prey” pilot recently underwent extensive reshoots to incorporate, among other things, the new the heroes’ new watchtower HQ set and late hire Mia Sara, who replaces Sherilyn Fenn as the first season’s “big bad,” Harleen Quinzel.
It’ll be interesting to see, in light of what we learn in “Sins of the Mother,” if the pilot’s introduction of Dinah remains intact.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
- In DC’s current “Birds of Prey” comic book, the two main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic code-named Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl) and
- the blonde twentysomething (non-psychic) martial arts expert code-named Black Canary (aka Dinah Laurel Lance aka Green Arrow’s ex-girlfriend), whose superpowered “scream” can knock bad guys on hinders. (In the current DC universe, Dinah’s mom is Dinah Drake Lance, the retired “golden age” Black Canary.)
In the WB’s upcoming “Birds of Prey” TV series, the three main characters are:
- the twentysomething paraplegic Oracle (aka Barbara Gordon aka the former Batgirl),
- the twentysomething superpowered butt-kicker The Huntress (aka Helena Kyle, the illegitimate daughter of the non-superpowered Batman and the superpowered Catwoman), and
- the blonde teen psychic Dinah Lance, who in the pilot arrives in Gotham wholly devoid of martial arts abilities and any hint of super-scream. Nobody even thinks to call Dinah “Black Canary” - nor would they have reason to.
Interesting choices, yes? It seemed perhaps as if the only reason the show’s creators named the teen psychic “Dinah Lance” was because there was an (entirely differerent) regular character in the comic by that name. But we’ve just learned there’s more to the WB’s Dinah Lance than originally suspected.
In an upcoming “Birds or Prey” episode titled “Sins of the Mother,” Dinah’s estranged mom, leggy, blonde 38-year-old Carolyn Lance, turns up in Gotham. We learn Carolyn has extraordinary martial arts abilities, a super-scream, and has fought crime under the name - Black Canary.
We also learn that, years ago, Carolyn infiltrated - and brought down - Gotham’s most powerful crime family by feigning a romantic interest in its leader’s son. Today that son is still in Gotham and looking for payback.
More surprises. Helena’s mom and Dinah’s mom, it turns out, knew each other in the old days, but “didn’t get along,” according to Barbara. This is likely due to the fact that Carolyn Lance was a superhero and Selena Kyle had a history of thieving supervillainy; Barbara, however, also chalks it up to “some sort of bird-cat thing.” Wary of the Huntress’ maternal parentage, Carolyn warns Helena to “stay away from my daughter.”
Carolyn’s secret life is news to Dinah, however. The younger Lance remembers that when she was little, she and her mom “traveled all the time,” but Dinah never had a clue that Carolyn was chasing criminals the whole time. The Black Canary ultimately gave Dinah up at an early age and didn’t keep in touch. “I was trying to protect you,” explains Carolyn when the pair is belatedly reunited in Gotham.
The “Birds of Prey” pilot recently underwent extensive reshoots to incorporate, among other things, the new the heroes’ new watchtower HQ set and late hire Mia Sara, who replaces Sherilyn Fenn as the first season’s “big bad,” Harleen Quinzel.
It’ll be interesting to see, in light of what we learn in “Sins of the Mother,” if the pilot’s introduction of Dinah remains intact.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
In an upcoming “Birds or Prey” episode titled “Sins of the Mother,” Dinah’s estranged mom, leggy, blonde 38-year-old Carolyn Lance, turns up in Gotham. We learn Carolyn has extraordinary martial arts abilities, a super-scream, and has fought crime under the name - Black Canary.
We also learn that, years ago, Carolyn infiltrated - and brought down - Gotham’s most powerful crime family by feigning a romantic interest in its leader’s son. Today that son is still in Gotham and looking for payback.
More surprises. Helena’s mom and Dinah’s mom, it turns out, knew each other in the old days, but “didn’t get along,” according to Barbara. This is likely due to the fact that Carolyn Lance was a superhero and Selena Kyle had a history of thieving supervillainy; Barbara, however, also chalks it up to “some sort of bird-cat thing.” Wary of the Huntress’ maternal parentage, Carolyn warns Helena to “stay away from my daughter.”
Carolyn’s secret life is news to Dinah, however. The younger Lance remembers that when she was little, she and her mom “traveled all the time,” but Dinah never had a clue that Carolyn was chasing criminals the whole time. The Black Canary ultimately gave Dinah up at an early age and didn’t keep in touch. “I was trying to protect you,” explains Carolyn when the pair is belatedly reunited in Gotham.
The “Birds of Prey” pilot recently underwent extensive reshoots to incorporate, among other things, the new the heroes’ new watchtower HQ set and late hire Mia Sara, who replaces Sherilyn Fenn as the first season’s “big bad,” Harleen Quinzel.
It’ll be interesting to see, in light of what we learn in “Sins of the Mother,” if the pilot’s introduction of Dinah remains intact.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
More surprises. Helena’s mom and Dinah’s mom, it turns out, knew each other in the old days, but “didn’t get along,” according to Barbara. This is likely due to the fact that Carolyn Lance was a superhero and Selena Kyle had a history of thieving supervillainy; Barbara, however, also chalks it up to “some sort of bird-cat thing.” Wary of the Huntress’ maternal parentage, Carolyn warns Helena to “stay away from my daughter.”
Carolyn’s secret life is news to Dinah, however. The younger Lance remembers that when she was little, she and her mom “traveled all the time,” but Dinah never had a clue that Carolyn was chasing criminals the whole time. The Black Canary ultimately gave Dinah up at an early age and didn’t keep in touch. “I was trying to protect you,” explains Carolyn when the pair is belatedly reunited in Gotham.
The “Birds of Prey” pilot recently underwent extensive reshoots to incorporate, among other things, the new the heroes’ new watchtower HQ set and late hire Mia Sara, who replaces Sherilyn Fenn as the first season’s “big bad,” Harleen Quinzel.
It’ll be interesting to see, in light of what we learn in “Sins of the Mother,” if the pilot’s introduction of Dinah remains intact.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
The “Birds of Prey” pilot recently underwent extensive reshoots to incorporate, among other things, the new the heroes’ new watchtower HQ set and late hire Mia Sara, who replaces Sherilyn Fenn as the first season’s “big bad,” Harleen Quinzel.
It’ll be interesting to see, in light of what we learn in “Sins of the Mother,” if the pilot’s introduction of Dinah remains intact.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
In the “Birds of Prey” pilot Herc saw, we first meet Dinah as a pre-teen who awakens screaming from a psychic vision of the Joker using a gun to cripple Batgirl. A dark-haired woman (identified in at least one draft of the script as Dinah’s mother) is described as “slightly stiff and uncomfortable” as she assures Dinah that what she experienced was only a bad dream. “You know how your father and I feel,” she tells Dinah, suggesting this is not the first time Dinah’s superpower has manifested itself.
The scene in this version of the pilot doesn’t necessarily contradict what we learn in “Sins of the Mother.” The dark-haired woman could be Dinah’s adoptive mother. But could it also be Carolyn Lance? (In the comics, the original Black Canary was a brunette who wore an identity-concealing blonde wig while fighting crime.)
In any event, we’ll know for certain if this scene was reshot, edited, eliminated, or left entirely intact when the WB airs its revamped pilot Oct. 9.
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Brain...about to explode. Must...stop...reading post.
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no batman...this show is gonna get canned.
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But now I'm not so sure. Look, unlike most who will probably post here, I have not read the comic nor do I think that this series needs to adhere to the continuity or elements of the comic. Yet the more I read about this show and the upcoming episodes, the more I'm beginning to wonder if this series overall is going to work. The casting of Harley is also a concern to me. Mia Sara simply looks too old to be playing the character. Sherilyn Fenn didn't exactly look like Harley either, but at least she already had the "dangerous bimbo" persona to match. These promo shots of Sara as Harley, with that severely short haircut, makes me wonder if this character is going to be played out as a psycho version of an SUV driving soccer mom. I'm scared that Harley may turn out to be more shrill than bimbo -- a variant on Teri Bauer from "24".
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Plus the Batgirl they chose is too old. Babs is suppossed to be 23 and Meyer is 33. Lets say Hell Freezes over and this show is a hit and lasts for 7 seasons, She will be 40. They should have kept the Harley and change the Barbara. Also why are they throwing away the history of Robin/Nightwing, it's stupid. The character was in the first issue back in the 30's and they remove the existence of the Boy Wonder. I hope this show last for only 9 episodes, maybe not even that.
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Seven years after Batman's retirement, it makes sense that Batgirl would be around 30. And Mia Sara's age makes sense since Harley was in the Joker's gang ten years ago.
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I have to second Dragon's and Rick's bad vibes about this one, too. I was so looking forward to this show, but am now entering it with hesitation. The impression I have is that the producers are mixing together elements from Buffy (high school), Alias (the Huntress), Dark Angel (Barbara in the wheelchair), Witchblade (the Huntress again), and, as Rick raised, 24 (Harley). It's all starting to feel uncomfortably like a mishmash from other action girl shows. The casting for all the characters feels off as well, except for Dinah. I would have prefered Barbara and Harley being in their mid-20s, too. It seems to me that Barbara should be in the just-out-of-college age range, while Harley should be the same age if not a few years younger. Instead, I wonder if the producers are planning to make Barbara and Harley as "moms" to their own respective "families." Ugh.
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Maybe that's the biggest mistake with this series. Maybe they shouldn't have set this 7 years after Batman's retirement. Instead, it might have worked better to have Batman/Bruce Wayne leave Gotham a few months prior to the events of the pilot. Barbara could have been recently crippled and the Huntress' origin could be as depicted in the comic. It looks like the producers really wanted Huntress to be the offspring of Batman and Catwoman, thus, that's why the Barbara and Harley are so much older than most of us would have liked.
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It really really does, I can't belive they are actually going to air this crap.
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Now I have no reason to watch it. Thank god. This is going to be a big confusing mess. I'm a batman fan and I have problems keeping up with all the changes they are making to the mythos. I feel sorry for the people who are just casual bat fans.
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The new info still leaves me uninterested in even giving the show a chance. But then, I haven't even bothered to see Smallville either.
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If he is, then he could guest star. Maybe even open the path to even more DC goodness like green lantern and others. Green arrow and batman were friends right?
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I think you are right about not waiting 7 years for this series to start. How about this , the series starts when Batman was still in Gotham , but he is missing. The first season is a hunt for the missing Batman. the final 2 eps of the season we have the Birds of Prey find him. Get a big name guest star for Batman, a hunk for the ladies. Season two would start with Batman and Superman going someplace and the Birds left to protect Gotham.
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If Batman were to guest in a special episode, I think everybody here would agree that Bruce Campbell would be perfect.
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Sep 15, 2002 11:55:39 PM CDT
I hated SMALLVILLE. Hated hated hated hated hated SMALLVILLE. Ha
by village idiot
And it wasn't that bad. (Apologies for lifting some of Roger Ebert's language in his infamous review of NORTH.) The point I'm making here is obvious: the people behind this show may just have a knack for taking comic properties and morphing them into something that *sounds* godawful (some of the changes seem so arbitrary), but then the actual product turns out to be okay. We'll see.
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It will always be 'Batman's little girl', and will have the air of kids playing around instead of a serious superhero.
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....is why you are on your computer at home, and not in Hollywood writing.
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Can we expect a Ted Kord cameo? I believe he is Barbara Gordon's boyfriend in the continuity or something. I stopped buying comics when Giffen & DeMatteiss left Justice League, so I'm not on the up and up.
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Barbara HAS to be at least 30!
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This whole show, while an interesting premise sounds awfully much like a comittee design affair. I think that if people started to flowchart the plotline they'd end up with something that looks like a drawing by Escher.
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...for all those reasons, PLUS she took some bizarre Animal Planet rescue show as well.
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How the hell can Barbara be 23? A) Think of her long and varied career B) the show is set 7 YEARS in the future.
You people act as though 30 is old or undesirable...Jennifer Garner is 30 you know. You punk ass fanboys make me laugh.
I am looking forward to this show. I do have my doubts but Iam willing to give it a chance.
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How can you judge a show that has not even aired yet?
I am a huge fan of the comic, and so far, all the changes I have heard for the tv show are more than justified.
And by the way Meyer is perfect for Babs. She looks the part to the T. And explain to me, that dumb view that women over 30 women are not hot.
Jezz, sometimes I wonder if some of you guys ever leave your parents basement.
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But only is the Superman curse holds out. Keanu could end up dead or hosting a cable TV freak show. Either way is fine with me.
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It's so freaking obvious! This show should be sponsored by Energizer batteries (and you know why).
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...Regarding the ages of the characters. But it is a bit confounding -- really, what demographic is this series geared for? Teen and 20something males, as opposed to Smallville's teen and 20something females? Or is this show supposed to go for the small young female audience as Smallville? That's one reason why I wonder what's up with the ages of Barbara and Harley, and it does look like they may be trying to make each character out as a mother role type in order to inject a kind of "family" theme to this series. Personally I think this sucks and is trite as hell. I don't mind them doing this so much with Barbara and making her older, but Harley? At the risk of coming across as a continuity spaz, Mia Sara's Harley does not seem at all like she will be the Harley most of us love -- the cute, baby-voiced, but deadly and psycho as fuck bimbo, as conceived by Paul Dini for the animated series. That's the Harley we want, but I'm afraid we're not getting in this series.
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But not because of the petty tripe that's being bandied about here. It's because of the petty tripe being bandied about elsewhere. I seem to recal reading that the "creative minds" behind this show are changing the tone from a darker, Burtonesque style to a lighter Schumakeresque style. Hence the redesign of the Clocktower et al. Obviously this shows a complete lack of judgement, and worries me about the future of the show.
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Alan Moore wrote a comic some time ago in the Batman Universe. The plot centers around Clayface (3) falling in love with a department store dummy in BATMAN ANNUAL #11. He lives inside a large clothing store/mall and obsesses over her, in the end Batman allows her to stay with him in his cell. He kept imagining at certain times that she wouldn't speak because they had grown apart, and that Batman had an affair with his beloved dummy wife. I think this plot would translate very well into this show, while still being creepy, artful, entertaining and well-written. They'd have to do a little rewriting from the batgirl's perspective and add some things, but it would be great! It's worth anyone checking out, definitely.
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A major issue for the show is how are they going to make work the fact that Batman, just left town after the last battle with the joker. I think most of the comic fans are going to balk at such a obvious character change. Also where is Dick Grayson? Since when was Catwoman a Meta? and if Helena is now near 20, how old was Batman when he left?
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Was Jenny McCarthy not available when they were casting Harley Quinn. Dammit I would have even taken Yasmine Bleeth over Mia Sara.
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LMAO! "So...(young girl trying to look seductive by moving closer slowly) are you a man...or a Superman ?" "G'Uh...I'm not too sure about that yet." Great writing. Just great. Love the characters and the personality they exude! Don't change a thing!
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ok..ok...after viewing the pics of Mia Sara on the WB website I do concede that she does look a bit rough. Get thee to the Botox! The haircut is kind of
butch meets suburban soccer mom.
BUT...Who knows...under white face and a funny hate she might pull it off.
I have a feeling this Harleen Quinzel is going to be a bit more
dark than goofily (is that a word???) psycho. I hope that maybe The Joker will turn up eventually...wishful thinking..I know. -
MmmMMmmMMMMmmmm...... Dina Meyer......mmmmmMMMm..... (splort!)
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I don't think we'll ever see any comic book turned movie, or show to be just like the comic.
So, I usually think of shows, or movies based on comics as "Elseworlds" like versions.
Which is what I'll do with "Birds Of Prey". I got a copy of the promo reel (they used scenes of Batman & Catwoman form "Batman Returns" in it) & the early version of the pilot episode with Ms. Fenn.
I kind of liked it. It has its flaws, which hopefully will be what is changed for the aired version.
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Sep 16, 2002 7:17:42 PM CDT
Bruce Thomas from ONStar TV commercials is Bruce Wayne/Batman
by riskebiz
My old fiancee use to watch "All My Children" and as a result, I had to watch it a few times. One actor stood out, as a good chiseled jawed type, and I noted his name. The actor was replaced in the role very quickly, but a few years later I was flipping channels and came across one of those Cinemax late night movies and I saw that same actor and thought "Well there goes your career." I find out this is the guy who is going to be Batman in the "Birds of Prey" show and apparently he's been playing Batman in those ONStar commercials. Looking him up on IMDB, I see he was even a mini ASH in "Army of Darkness" , so he should make all you Bruce Campbell shout outs happy. Anyway, good for him. I hope he gets a shot at more of a visible role. It's kind of fun watching no-name actors make good.
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I think the show has potential.
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In the old earth-2, Justice Soceity of America World she was the daugther of batman and catwoman. All that changed when they collapsed the DC universes.
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The guy who's been doing the voice of The Joker in Batman: The Animated Series, Justice League and for years is finally going to get to PLAY the joker! Even if it's for a small cameo scene, I wouldn't mind watching it myself.
Oh wait...He's still playing the voice of the Joker in this one. Probably a dub over job.
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Hey TB'ers. I was on IMDB and they have a Bruce Thomas listed as playing the character of Batman. Annnnnnnd to all the Bruce Campbell fanboys, he did play Mini-Ash in Army Of Darkness.
Just thought I'd put my 2cents in for the day. See it here:
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Most of the audience who will give this a look has never read the comic book. Most potential viewers will tune in when they hear that it features the ex-Batgirl and Batman and Catwoman's daughter. The most important thing for the producers to do is use the dramatic and entertaining potential that is in the book and translate that to the little box. So with this particular property, continuity just isn't as much a factor as when you're dealing with a long established character like Superman, for instance. The key to this show is going to be the tone and feel of the world they create. Is it going to be the flashy, hyper-real, MTV-fast cut-attention deficit type, or will they go for a more gritty, grounded, cop show approach? Or maybe something completely different? If it's a world we want to visit once a week, all these continuity issues will be forgotten by all but the geekiest. As to the concerns about some of the character's ages being in their early 30's as opposed to mid 20's... You people can be really scary, do you know that?
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... people who describe themselves as MORE than casual Batman fans.
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Sep 18, 2002 12:02:34 AM CDT
Why does the WB keep fucking shit up when it's getting good?
by flash82
I thought Time Warner was on its way back from such fuck ups like the Superman Franchise and Batman franchise ( just a hint for future endeavors...franchise don't work in fours. stop at two...and never let Schumacher touch a franchise) The New Justice League is looking good, and Smallville is taking a very fresh look at Superman, but it seems this Birds of Prey is going to be very ass. Catwoman isn't, and never has been a metahuman, mistake #1. True, the Bat & the Cat Had a daughter,who was costumed, mistake #2, but thanks to some jack-ass at DC in '85, we had a little something called crisis that fucked that up. I wish Crisi never happened, b/c the idea of a daughter between The Batman & Catwoman. Helena NEEDS a costume, and what is this crap with this "non"-canary. that is total bullshit. And why aren't they bringing in any of the other DCU mainstays. Dick (Nightwing) or Tim (Robin) should definitly make an apperance. Hell, Birds of Prey regular Blue Beetle could even make an apperance. I also hear Alfred will be in it...what is he supposed to be like Dick Clarke, he doesn't age! I think this is another example of Execs seeing the success of someone's effort to create something new (Smallville) out of something old, while staying true to the original, but ultimatley failing b/c they are putting quanity before quality. I had High hopes for this show, but I'm affraid that it won't be a hit with the people it should be a hit with...the fans. I really hope that the WB doesn't end up back at the horrible square one that Batman & Robin left after this endeavor.
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