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Asia-AICN: Godzilla; Heros; My Left Eye Sees A Ghost; Mulan; Azumi; Devdas; Thorns; Dolls; Kill Bill
Father Geek Here with this weeks edition of our long running weekly Asia-AICN Column... But first this from long time contributor Ye Meng...
Ye is back!HERO Under Operation after Being Shown to Miramax
According to a Chinese paper Chinese Business View,
HERO has been shown to people from Miramax a while ago
and got a generally positive response. But somehow the
production companies decided to make it "better",
mainly on "time length of sequences and how to depict
characters". According to an anonymous crewmember,
such kind of modification is "normal" and everything
should be done within a month.
There are so much suspicious on what Miramax, the
distributor of HERO in North America, has done to the
movie. Since Miramax routinely chopping off foreign
films, this may not be a good news we are waiting for.Quentin Tarantino Interview
While Quentin Tarantino is still killing Bill in
Beijing, reporters from China's New Cinema magazine
have become the first to actually sit down with him
since the shooting started. While waiting for
Tarantino inside Beijing Film Studios located in the
northwest part of the city, they even spotted Uma
Thurman smoking outside.
Click here for a translation of the interview:
Its All Right Here For You To ReadTwo Live-Action Versions of MULAN Is in Planning
Both Michelle Yeoh and Stanley Tong are planning their
own version of HUA MULAN. Michelle's version will be
made by the team from THE TOUCH, with her as Hua Mulan
and the producer, Peter Pau as the director and
cinematographer, and her boyfriend Thomas Chung as the
other producer. Brandon Chang who played the younger
brother of Michelle's character in THE TOUCH will also
have a role in it. Michelle even has a wild wish of
casting Chow Yun-fat as General Li. She said unlike
THE TOUCH, her Mulan did not have to speak English and
would be a combination of love, drama, action and
patriotism.
So far no one has been attached to Stanley Tong's
version except himself. He said the movie will be made
in English with US$25 million budget. He has even
tried to lure Michelle Yeoh to his camp but is not
successful.
That's all for today.
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Hey all, Darius25 here, hope you’re enjoying the great summer days of the season. We have a quite packed column for you this week, including a big segment on Bollywood’s most expensive production, “Devdas”, which includes many pics from the film and its premiere last week. We also have news on 20th Century Fox’s first Bollywood film, “Kaante (Thorns)”, “The Spirits Aren’t Here”, “My Left Eye Sees A Ghost”, Takeshi Kitano’s “Dolls”, “Azumi”, and “Godzilla vs. Mecha Godzilla”. Enjoy!
Father Geek back... Now here's Darius25 with the Bollywood news, AccSpy from Hong Kong, and pigmon from Tokyo...
INDIA
To start things off, here’s a great review of the latest Bollywood release “Devdas” from Moviemaniac.
Father Geek back... Now here's Darius25 with the Bollywood news, AccSpy from Hong Kong, and pigmon from Tokyo...
INDIA
To start things off, here’s a great review of the latest Bollywood release “Devdas” from Moviemaniac.
To start things off, here’s a great review of the latest Bollywood release “Devdas” from Moviemaniac.
Much has been made about the Devdas remake by Sanjay Leela Bhansali in the past few months. Bhansali's Magnum opus is his third movie venture. The stories are amazing: 50 Crore budget (thats 500 million rupees, the most expensive bollywood production
ever), the most opulent and extravagant sets ever created, the most beautiful actresses in the world wearing the most beautiful, expensive clothes ever designed. Madhuri actually wears a dress that weighs 30 kg in one dance sequence!. There were two different
costume designers - one for Aishwarya and another for Madhuri and SRK. There were multiple deaths on the sets, the set also caught fire once. The producer was arrested for having links with the underworld, while Bhansali used to do the rounds of the hospital he was in, requesting money to complete his movie. There were thousands of lights used for lighting the entire set, in fact so many that entirely new sets of generators had to be installed in Mumbai's Film City studios. In fact, one of these sets was so beautiful (Madhuri’s palace/brothel/courtyard), its now become a permanent tourist attraction at Film City. The story of how the movie was made could itself be made into another flick!
The hype was tremendous, the movie did very well at Cannes. Bhansali's past efforts were splendid...meanwhile Bollywood is going through a rough patch. Only one hit movie in the year till now (despite many superior flicks). A lot of hopes were riding on Devdas. Does it live upto the hype? I would say a definite YES! even though i knew the story so well, I couldn't help but be impressed by this excellent movie. It was superbly acted, directed, choreographed. The songs were wonderful and totally different from anything in Bollywood. (Universal paid 30 million rupees for the music rights) Everyone does a wonderful job.
The story starts with Devdas' mother excited about her sons' return from England. She hasn't seen him for a long time and can't wait to see her son again. Her neighbour Sumitra joins in the preparation for his arrival and her daughter Paro (Aishwarya, looking stunning in every scene of the movie) still remembers the day she was separated from her childhood companion. Eventually Devdas does arrive, but he makes the mistake of visiting Paro before going home to his mother. This mistake costs him a happy marriage with Paro, and his mother begins to despise her and her family. Paro eventually marries a richer, older man. Devdas, who cannot go against the wishes of his mother and his physically abusive father leaves home and starts to live with his friend Chunnilal, a bachelor played by Jackie Shroff. Paro meanwhile quickly adjusts to her new life, and her transformation from a young girl in love, to the wife and caretaker of a truly huge estate and her stepchildren is impressive. Devdas meanwhile starts to attract the attention of a beautiful courtesan, Chandramukhi who falls deeply in love with him. Torn between his love for Paro who he can't have, and his growing love for Chandramukhi, who he could have, but refuses to touch because of the kind of woman she is, Devdas turns to alcohol. The eventual downward spiral of his life leading to his tragic end dominates the last half of the movie. This is easily one of Bhansali's finest works and there are many scenes which are excellent. SRK is great as Devdas, although he is prone to going back to his lip quivering acting time and again, he mostly does great. Aishwarya and Madhuri are excellent. Madhuri is great especially in the scene after the brilliant "Dola Re" song and Aishwarya stands out in the haunting last scene, as she races to catch one last glimpse of her Devaa.
This is not to say the film is flawless. The acting is over the top many times, especially the initial sequences. Kiron Kher is great, but again in the inital scenes, she overacts. The movie gets long in some parts especially in the end, and the "chalak chalak" song is unnecessary. Jackie shroff can get annoying as Chunnilal. But despite these flaws, I'd say overall Devdas is a great movie. Its a must see for everyone, and its definitely worth going for the beautiful visuals, music, dances and performances alone.
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- And coming off the “Devdas” review, here’s a very impressive critical analysis of the film. The reviewer, Kabir Ahmed, deserves special recognition for his extraordinary review. Click here to check it out: Read It Here
- And in another Devdas-related topic, here are some pics from the film’s premiere in Mumbai (Bombay) last week. Practically everybody who is anybody in Bollywood attended the event, which as usual was bombarded with star-crazed fans hoping to get a glimpse of some of their favourite actors and actresses.
Shahrukh Khan arrives at the theatre, surrounded by all kinds of security officers and policemen. That’s his wife, Gauri, in the black dress: Director Sanjay Leela Bhansali walks in with his mother at the premiere: Its all Here Rani Mukherjee talking with the film’s infamous producer Bharat Shah (blue suit): See Them Here Aishwarya Rai either looks very bored or fascinated while staring at the screen: Click. The film’s two gorgeous leading ladies, Ash and Madhuri Dixit, pose for reporters as they walk out from the event: Go Here - Ok, I guess with the help of international hits like “Lagaan”, “Monsoon Wedding”, “Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham”, and “Devdas”, it looks like Bollywood is finally operating on an international level. Now comes news that Hollywood distribution company 20th Century Fox has set up offices in India in a bid to produce Bollywood films and release them globally on a much larger scale than previous productions. Fox is making a deal to start with 3 films for now and the first film is already in the initial stages of production. Titled “Ek Hasina Thi" (Once There Was An Attractive Woman)”, the film is being directed by Ramgopal Verma (“Company”) and will star Saif Ali Khan and Urmila Matondkar. Shooting is set to start in August and the film will be released in January. Click on this link to an interesting article on this film from CNN: http://asia.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/07/17/india.fox.film.reut/index.html - More “Kaante (Thorns)” news: Not only will the film will have 9 premieres but it will be also dubbed into 5 languages for international distribution. The film will be dubbed from its original Hindi language into English, Spanish, Japanese and Tamil for releases in many various countries. - Actor Sanjay Dutt has secretly completed a yet another project. This new film, titled “Anhonee(Mishap), is being directed by Rishi Talwar and produced by record company T-Series. The film, which also stars Chandrachur Singh and Shamita Shetty, is getting good buzz in the industry and the producers have already signed Talwar for another project. That next film will star Sanjay aswell. You’ve read Moviemaniac’s view up above, and I’m sure you read most of the reviews generating online. You already know that the film is the 9th version of a classic Indian literature and that it is India’s costliest production ever. My opinion of the film will not really force you to see it (which most of you already have), but I must state my opinion – in the hopes that just a few of the foreigners (those not exposed to mainstream Bollywood) venture out to the theatres and watch this instant classic. Despite the many problems faced by the production, director Sanjay Leela Bhansali has not only made a film that is better than all of the other versions (yes, including the Bimal Roy version with Dilip Kumar), but will become a classic film in coming years. In fact such a noble and brave attempt of classical filmmaking hasn’t been tried since the golden age of Indian cinema (pre-1970s) which spawned such epics as “Mughal-E-Azam”, “Pakeezah”, “Patthar Ke Phool”, “Mother India”, “Shaheed”, and the 1950s version of “Devdas”. Yes my friends, this new version starring current Hollywood heartthrobs Shahrukh Khan, Aishwarya Rai, and Madhuri Dixit, belong in that list of unforgettable classics. But first, a little bit of history about the subject. “Devdas”, based on a 1919 Bengali novel, is much like “Hamlet” when compared with its classical status. Both are epic works of literature that have a tremendous potential to be transferred well onto the screen, and both are the roles of a lifetime for any actor brave enough to take on such a daunting task. And both have a spawned a classic film that people insist will never be matched (for “Hamlet” it was the Laurence Olivier film, for “Devdas” it was the Bimal Roy film). But in my opinion, two of the newer versions for both works have already beaten the classics at their own game – Kenneth Branagh accomplished the task in 1996, while Sanjay Leela Bhansali accomplished the task this year. Exactly how much does this new version deviate from the original is hard to tell – atleast from me because I haven’t read the book. However I have seen the Bimal Roy version and I can say that the changes are minimal. Devdas’ character is pretty much fleshed out the same way (innocent at first, depressed and angry later on), while Chunnilal (Devdas’s drinking buddy)’s role is somewhat enhanced. Chandramukhi’s role is somewhat given more edge and charm while Paro has been given more authority as an aristocrat in the second half of the film. However these are simple character changes that don’t really take away anything from the initial plot. Simply put, if you’re a fan of the story, you will not be disappointed from this new version. However, the plot is the only thing even remotely connecting this to any previous versions, or even the book itself. Bhansali has created a whole new look for the film which will truly take its audience away from their day-to-day lives and transport them into the fantasy world of 1930s Calcutta, made up of something that would closely resemble Heaven. Realism does not exist in the director’s vocabulary and instead the use of large expansive sets and lush elaborate colours give each frame a life of its own. Check out the background in this shot of Shahrukh lying confused on a bed. Look carefully at the colours of the bedsheets, the curtains all around him, and the candleholders in the background: Click Here Now And if you thought that was nothing, take a look at this picture of Madhuri Dixit (as courtesan Chandramukhi) performing an Indian dance for Devdas. Look at the elegant costumes on all of the background dancers, the lavish carpets and rugs on the floor, and all of the various assortments of crystals and glasses decorating the palatial platform: Just Click Here Those pictures don’t really do the film any justice. In a short summation, all I can is if you think Moulin Rouge or Fellowship of the Ring looked gorgeous, multiply their beauty by 10, and you’ll somewhat get closer to the visual beauty of this film. Gorgeous set designs and beautiful costumes aside, the film also has an abundance of great actors in various roles – all of whom perform their tasks equally well. Headlining everybody is Shahrukh Khan, who once again has proved that he is the very best actor working today. His mannerisms, dialogue delivery, and facial expressions are able to accomplish what most of us can’t even dream about. He doesn’t mope around the film like a lovesick Romeo (which he really is), nor does he go into the camp territory under the influence of alcohol. Instead he manages to turn from a sophisticated, foreign-educated man of affluence into a tormented being of death – one who really has no hope in living. Here’s a picture of Devdas, the foreign-return elite (with the beautiful Aishwarya Rai as “Paro”): They're Here Now And here’s a picture of the same character, towards the climax of the film. Witness the death and destruction in his eyes: Its here And if the casting of Shahrukh Khan wasn’t enough for Bhansali, the director went ahead and hired two leading divas to vie for the affections of our tormented hero. Aishwarya Rai gives another great performance as the lifelong love of the leading character. Her character also goes through a major transformation during the film, and Ash is able to pull it off very convincingly. Combining equal parts beauty with talent, the actress is just simply great and will win many accolades for this role. It is too early enough to tell if she can win the acting awards or not, but right now, her chances are extremely high. The beautiful Ms. Rai: She's Right Here Our second heroine (and the second-most important character in the film) is played by none other than Madhuri Dixit. Once the reigning queen of Bollywood, the actress just simply disappeared into a happily married life, coming out once in a while to give good performances in average films. One exception was last year’s “Lajja” and another example is “Devdas”. Her character calls for the broadest range of emotions – from a charming yet seductive courtesan to an almost saintly, mother-like figure of love and devotion – and it is safe to say that the actress does not disappoint. Like many other reviewers, I too feel that Madhuri has given an excellent performance and has completely stolen the show from all of the actors, except for SRK. The absolute STUNNING Madhuri Dixit: Pure Eye Candy The rest of the supporting characters do not disappoint aswell. Both Smita Jaykar and Kiron Kher are well cast as Devdas and Paro’s mothers, respectively, while Jackie Shroff does not disappoint in his brief role as Devdas’s friend and drinking companion Chunnilal. And to top off the great visuals and acting, Bhansali has hired a brilliant composer (Ismail Durbar) to pack the film with some rather excellent music. As this is a period epic, we have literally no modern instruments on the soundtrack, and instead are treated to semi-classical songs which can stand up to the best musical segments of that golden era. The score successfully establishes the tone of the era, and is another instrument in taking us back to that wonderful time period. In the end, there’s nothing more I can say except to command you to see the film as soon as possible. “Devdas” is a brilliant piece of filmmaking that excels in every department, and just DESERVES to be seen on the biggest screen possible. If you’re even remotely interested in period epics, then you won’t be disappointed at all! A final picture of the two divas from the film: Check them out here - Cecilia Cheung and Louis Koo are now shooting the period comedy "Lion from the East River (lit. title)", adapted from a classic folktale, in Shanghai, China. - Eason Chan, Anthony Wong and Joey Yung are preparing for the production of "The Spirits Aren't Here (lit. title)" by going through Chinese Opera training with experienced traditional stage actors. The horror film is about a Chinese Opera actress (Joey Yung) coming back from the dead to seek revenge from her reincarnated lover (Eason Chan) in present day China. The film will feature some very creepy Opera scenes. - Sammi Cheng and Lau Ching Wan's "My Left Eye Sees A Ghost" has collected $4mil in its first two days' run last weekend. Based on the good reviews of her breakthrough performance, Sammi could be easily nominated again in next year's HKFA. Here's some pics from the premiere night. Ching Wan, Sammi, with co-stars Lee San San and Cheerie Yang: Ching Wan with his wife Amy Kwok: More Ching Wan, Sammi and Cheerie: - A shooting ceremony for the romantic comedy "My Wife is Underage" was held in HK after the cast and crew came back from London. Here's some photos. Ekin Cheng: Ekin and Charlene Choi: Charlene: - As mentioned "My Left Eye Sees the Ghost" debuted at no.1 of the box office. "Minority Report" fell to no.2 but was still running strong with $3.5 mil in three days, which brought its total gross to $17 mil in just 11 days. "Lilo and Snitch" was at no.3, while "Men in Black II", strangely failed to appeal to the HK audience. The film debuted at no.4 with less than 2 mil for its first weekend. Acclaimed director Fruit Chan's latest film "Hollywood Hong Kong" debuted at no.7. - Takeshi Kitano’s next directorial project, “Dolls”, is finally complete! The actor/director took 6 months to shoot the film because he wanted to perfectly capture the 4 gorgeous seasons of Japan. The film’s central theme is love and focuses on 3 stories overlapping each other. It will be released in Japan this October and will be released internationally sometime next year. - It has now been officially confirmed that director Ryuhei Kitamura (“Versus”) will next direct the big budget period epic “Azumi”. Based on a popular manga that has sold over 8 million copies, the film will tell tell the tale of a group of young warriors trained to be Samurai and Shogun assassins. Teen idol Aya Ueto has been signed to play the titular role. Shooting is set to start in September and the film will release next summer. - Acting legend Kumi Mizuno has agreed to appear in the new Godzilla movie after a break from the genre for 36 years. The actress was very popular for appearing in various Toho monster films such as “Mushroom People”, “Gorath”, and many Godzilla films. She will play the prime minister of Japan (!) in the new film, titled “Godzilla vs. Mecha Godzilla”. The design for the Mecha Godzilla is very cool and is reported to be of a gigantic stature! You can catch a look at the creature very soon on www.godzilla.net. - Director Alex Cox (“Sid and Nancy”, “Repo Man”) will direct an episode of the popular Japanese TV detective series “Hama Mike”. Directors Shinji Aoyama and Sogo Ishi have been hired to direct episodes aswell.
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Great! I Always look forward to the new Takeshi movie. I hope it's better than Brother. Which was fine and all but nowhere near as good as Hana-bi, Sonatine, Ano Natsu Ichiban Shizuka na Umi or indeed anything else. Except maybe Getting Any which was just a bit silly.
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that'll mean (i hope) dolls will be shown at IFFR, sweet!
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Watched a special on t.v. here in Tokyo about DOLLS. Takeshi`s Dolls looks beautiful!!
Some of YOU will hate it cause it`s not about gangsta`s and nobody will probably get killed. But from what i watched on t.v and what Takeshi said "it`s the best film i`ve ever made", i think all the real foreign cinema fans and true Takeshi fans will dig it. Also HAMA MIKE rules!!!Awesome t.v. series here in Japan. -
I saw devdas for the second time today...and loved it even more. I can see no wrong in the movie except the slow second half and jackie shroff. A couple of things tho, Kabir Ahmed's critique of the movie was excellent, except for the part where he says he doesn't rate Smita Jayakar highly. I wholly disagree. Smita Jaykar is one of the most talented actresses of contemporary Indian movies and plays. She is highly respected in Marathi theatre too(and marathi theatre is a force to be reckoned with, possibly one of the most active and talented theatre sectors in the country). Its a shame that bollywood flicks make her portray the same mother over and over again, but thats hardly her fault. Lastly, that CNN report says Company is an "underworld spoof"!!! Where does Reuters get its news from? If Company is a spoof, then so is the Godfather! Go and see Devdas people, its unique, like nothing you have ever seen before. If the last scene doesn't bring a lump in your throat, you're a robot.
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You can see Mechagodzilla right now at http://66.216.76.201/monsterzero/index.php
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The new version of Devdas is not a patch on Bimal Roy's previous version. Don't let the money fool you. And it's not just me saying it, but the British Media trashed 'Devdas' particularly the Daily Telegraph/ The Guardian. They too mention to stick with the great Dillip Kumar's interpretation of the classic characther. Check it out:
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u rely on the british media to rate a modern interpretation of Sarat Chandra Chaterjee's classic 1917 novel? Thats like saying Ocean's Eleven sucks because Harry Knowles hates it. Both totally unreliable :) True SRK does not surpass Dilip Kumar, but he is just as good as him. This Devdas is miles above anything made before and the best thing you'll see on movie screens currently.
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tried to read the QT interview but the badly translated syntax freaked me out. either that or quentin was ripping the piss out of the interviewer big time.
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How dare you say that that overacting piece of tripe, SRK (K-K-K-K-Kiran)is comparable to one of the greatest acting legends that is Dillip Kumar? You just lost all your credibility there. And as for the british media that supposedly knows nothing about 'Devdas' (although they were very aware of the 1932 and the aforementioned Bimal Roy version which they praised highly enough), even the people who have seen it are saying that it's just a lot of set dressing and very little else. 'Devdas' is the 'Pearl Habor' of Bollywood!
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true, i'm not a bg fan of SRK, he does overact a lot of times and i don't personally think hes any good. But he truly does justice to the role. He manages to go against all his overacting urges and delivers a good subdued performance...and it isn't an easy role...not at all an easy role. Dilip Kumar is an acting legend, but Shah Rukh Khan will also be one, his tremendous success and worldwide following assures him of that. Also, i too have seen Dilip Kumar movies, so don't pretend he doesn't have an annoying acting style himself....stop being such a purist and give this update of a classic story a chance. The Dilip Kumar version of the story made plenty changes to the original too (Paro and Chandramukhi cross paths...that never happens in the novel) Its possible that the British media fails to grasp the movie because of the language difference. There are so many portions of the film that are difficult to translate, and even if they are translated, sound very bad.
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That most of the regular uber-film junkies out there that can be found on talkbacks about everything (me included) steer clear of these particular posts. Just shows to go you that we are just a bunch of ignorant North Americans who think that occassionally seeing a Kung-fu flick or the occassional Fellini makes us international experts and our opinions worthy of attention. Face it, most people on this site rail against Hollywood at the same time they line up for tickets. Christ, people still think George Lucas is a model for independent film makers - people, he's independent because he owns his own freaking studio. See, a lot of people complain that Harry doesn't champion the independent, or little seen film. The fact is he does - they just ignore the articles. I'm certainly not saying I'm any better - just perhaps aware of my own hypocracy. BTW - Indian films, wow, something is defintely lost in the translation - way over, around or under my head.
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hehe, sorry to start a talkback war (it's already happening at many threads at www.zulm.net), but if you look at the modern Devdas, SRK did AS GOOD A JOB as Dilip Kumar did. It's true that Dilip Kumar is an acting legend, but then again so is Amitabh Bachchan, and so is Marlon Brando and so is Al Pacino. But can't we have a few more - SRK is MY favourite actor, but I'm not wrong in saying that he is a legend in his own right, and is miles ahead of most of his competitors in this generation (Hrithik who??). And if you ignore some of his cheapie films that he occasionally does for money, he does do a commendable job in almost all of the big blockbusters. Look at American blockbusters - would you ever expect Ben Affleck to act like Pacino??? Would you ever expect Deniro in Titanic?? The closest thing Hollywood has to a POPULAR acting "legend" is probably Tom Hanks. And he's way way way overrated!! SRK is a rare example of an actor with tremendous talent WHO is extremely popular with the masses aswell. (Otherwise look at acting gods like Naserrudin Shah or Om Puri, who're just about getting their dues now - 20 something years after their debuts.)
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But however she is a little too old for Mulan isn't she? Because the cartoon-version had Mulan as a young woman? I dunno...I would get the girl from "Rush Hour 2" to do it she seems better. Chow Yun-Fat would be good as General Li and would kick ass with a sword. I hope they make it an R-rating, or at least a PG-13 rating to show Mulan as it should've been instead of having a funny, but loveable sidekick Mushu (Eddie Murphy) by her side.
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yeah I noticed man, but what can I do? I try to target all of these films (not just Bollywood but the whole Asian continent) to EVERYBODY!! The people may not be responding because either they're shy, or don't know much about the topic. I encourage everybody to participate so that way all of the members/readers end up benefitting in some way. I just hope that all of you guys may like one or two of these films and then that could open your eyes to a whole new world that you never knew existed! Oh and also, what did you mean by your last comment - how are they way over your head?? Are the songs too weird, or is there something else?
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Nevermind General Li, who will play the cute little dragon?
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Jes' kiddin'. Mind you I hope it's intelligent and can talk. Notice how Chow Yun-Fat now gets cast in every Distinguished Chinese Guy role in the same way that Danny DeVito used to get every Short Funny Nasty Guy role and Molly Ringwald got every Flaky Non-Homecoming Queen role. I think everyone everyone who only knows him from CTHD and Anna and the King should have their eyelids stapled open and be forced to watch Hard Boiled and A Better Tomorrow back to back.
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When I say over my head, I mean that there is an important connection between the art and the cultural experience in Indian cinema - much the way it is in all cinema. Since I do not share that experience I cannot connect with the material in the same way as one who can. The whole grandiose style of Bollywood is mirrored in a lot a Hong Kond films (the idea of fusing drama, comedy, music, violence and running the rainbow of emotions) - but I tend to connect better with the Hong Kong stuff because its anchored in a materialism that better reflects my cultural experience. Simply put - I relate better to capitalist films then classist ones. Perhaps that is to my detriment, but I try to keep an open mind on the stuff. Simply put, I don't "get" it. Maybe there's nothing more to get, I don't know.
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What will it take to get films like Godzilla x MechaGodzilla, Godzilla|Mothra|King Ghidorah, and Godzilla x Megagairus released here in the States (preferably in theaters, but at least on proper, original language DVDs)??!?!?
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i kinda understand what you mean, but then again - there isn't THAT much to get - aside from the musical aspects. Yeah you're right in the sense that the musical segments are an important part of our culture (in all cultures basically) - except in India - we LIVE for these songs in movies. Commercial music (as in not movie-related) is on the rise, but will never be as equal as Bollywood music. 99% of India lives for these movies, and the songs have a big part in that! As for the differences between HK and Bollywood - there really isn't THAT much (again, except for the songs). Both have literally the same sense of culture (in the way that both mix a whole range of emotions at the SAME time). Of course HK has better action (and martial arts), but we have our plus points aswell. I kind of understand what you're saying (I relate to Bollywood more because I'm Indian, but then I relate to HK more to Hollywood cause we have some of the same values, and also I relate to westernized themes in Hollywood over old-fashioned values more because I grew up in Canada!). I don't get the capitalist thing though - do you mean that HK is more money oriented??
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I'm going to side with Darius on this one. I'm the opposite. Where I'm Chinese-American and used to side more with HK films, it's become where I side with Bollywood more these days. It really comes down to this: are you entertained by a film genre? In some ways both HK and Bwood flicks are rooted in similar things culturally. But Bwood has that one extra element (the music) that makes it stand out in my book. I'm so sick of seeing Hollywood and regular independent films where the filmmakers just don't spend enough creativity (instead of lots of cash). In India, I feel it's the reverse. And the musical numbers DEFINITELY fuel that creativity and the fact that the filmmakers will pull out all stops to entertain its audience. They'll try anything, do anything in their power to do so. Throw in every film genre possible, a lot of times in the same movie! Now how many other other places that crank out flickage do that? HK films have lost a lot of their cache in recent years (even though some companies like Milky Way still churn 'em out like the classics they were in previous decades). But the sheer quantity and variety that Bwood delivers is quite impressive, guaranteeing that something will come along to blow our minds. Now that's entertainment.
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I hate to say it but unfortunately I was a bit disappointed with "Devdas." On the whole the film had some solid dialogue and wonderful set design (even though my friends would disagree with that point...one of them said that she felt it was an eye sore), but I felt it just felt kinda passionless to me, like something was missing. Shahrukh's performance left a lot to be desired, but I think it was based more on how one-dimensional his character was (and I guess the dichotemy of how mean he was to the women who loved him...is that part of what makes Devdas such a figure?) I feel that all three leads did better work in the crappy "Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam." Just look at one of the monologues that Shahrukh has (with the phones and the ceramic horse). He showed so much diversity in his previous work that I was kinda surprised at how muted he was here. And I really only enjoyed the last two musical numbers the best (that's when the filmmakers definitely let their guard down and deliver what I love best...rhythmic, well shot and well edited dance numbers. Just look at Aishwarya and Madhuri tear up the floor with "Dola Re Dola." Wow. And the drunken number with Shahrukh and Jackie Shroff. Nice, very nice.) Also did anyone notice how dark the cinematography was in the first half? Were the filmmakers trying to show that things are "brighter" when Devdas is going into his descent (second half was shot better)? Overall, not bad, but certainly not worth the length and the lofty expectations.
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hey ajy1, yeah SRK was kinda muted here, but I felt that it was good this way, since he didn't have a chance to ham it up like he does in some of his other movies (ie. certain segments in Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam). If you think Devdas is mean in this one, you should check out the 1950s version, where Dilip literally beats Paro with a stick! As for the other two - well Aish did a pretty good job, especially in the second half while Madhuri totally owned this movie. I think that her performance was just mesmerazing in every single scene - this could be her best work yet, but only in my opinion. Yeah that dola re dola song was the best one in the film - also with "Maar Dala". Both songs were lavishly picturized with pretty AWESOME sequences. Dola re Dola pretty much killed everyone in the audience!! I didn't really like that SRK/Jackie songs, but it's ok. As for the dark cinematography - the film was kind of dark, especially towards the train sequences and the ending, but it's not TOO dark. That could be a problem with the print you're watching. If you look at some of the threads on zulm, you'll see that many people were experiencing all sorts of weird problems. Did you see it at an Indian theatre, or an american one? I saw it on an IMAX theatre and the presentation looked fine, with an amazing DD 5.1 soundtrack! I have been hearing that the presentation at AMC theatres are good aswell. It all depends on your theatre, the print they're using and the projectionist's talents. The print I saw didn't look that dark and the video quality was as good as Road to Perdition (I'm not comparing the look/cinematography of the two - just the presentation).
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Hey darius, I did see it in an American theater but I really do think that it might not be the print itself as it was very clean and pristine when projected (no obvious cuts, surprised at the lack of dirt and scratches!). Just the darkness of it (also very soft which is definitely a stylistic choice of the DP). The subtitles were a tad smeary in parts though and the sound definitely was in regular Dolby, not digital (which would be the first Bwood film I've seen here not to be shown in digital...I think there prob. wasn't a digital track here on this print). That's too bad since most Hindi flicks in my opinion, are VERY aggressive in the surrounds on the digital track. In a just world, the Indian movie theaters would ALL upgrade to digital to take advantage of this. With such great music, it's ESSENTIAL in my book. In regular stereo, the highs in "Devdas" were screechy and distorted. I guess the true question would be what the original negative looks like. I guess I like Shahrukh prob. for different reasons than a lot of other people. His humor is what I think plays well and is most unique about him as an actor (and the "hamminess" factor). The man really is one of modern Bwood's best actors.
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I can't help but feel a little stupid about having this conversation with the name "Weedy", but here we are. What I meant about the capitalist/classist thing is that Hong Kong while ver y Asian and cosmopolitan shares more in common with the West than most (not all) Indian cities from what I can tell. In Hong Kond the pursuit of wealth, of material goods is much like that of Toronto, or New York, London or Paris. Its essentially Western in that regard. India is a more classical cultural mecca - the caste system, religion, and tradition play a prominent role and these themes are echoed in the films. That's not to say that India isn't modern in its own way - just different. That difference is something that I have trouble relating to, so consequently the Bollywood movies don't appeal to me as much. Basically, I'm trying to explain why I can understand their popularity, but can't share the joy. Its just too bad. Although I'm in Canada and get to experience lots of Indian culture - Siehk, East Indian and other Indian cultures I have come into contact with and have enjoyed very much - I still have trouble finding common ground, being so secular and coming from a culture that's predonimantly production based. Wow, that's a lot of explaining. Its frustrating to me - I love all sorts of different films, but they mostly come from cultures that share more in common with my own. I guess despite my best intentions, I'm still a product of my upbringing. Anyway, take care, I promise to give Bollywood another kick at the can.
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Good point, Weedy...I'm always amazed at how people like to piss and moan about Hollywood, but the talkbacks for anything REMOTELY independent that isn't Bruce Campbell related have the deafening sound of chirping crickets. About the only thing that seems to have the same degree of spunk are the Anime talkbacks, and they're still pretty sparse (peppered with the inevitable "I read this somewhere else months ago!" whining.) So far as not "getting" Bollywood: I can't say I "get" it either, but then, I'm so freakishly Caucasian that the only reasons I really "get" Asian/Chinese movies are (1) they are obviously mixing/continuing Western Traditions (Woo as Peckinpah, Chan as Keaton, etc.) (2) I'm fascinated with Japanese culture. Beyond that, if it ain't from the Western world, it kinda bounces offa my forehead. Nothing to be proud of, but I can't seem to break through that wall (and I'm only gonna spend so much time watching things I'm not enjoying while telling myself over and over "I SHOULD like this. I SHOULD like this.") It should probably be mentioned, as well, that a Western filmgoes may well approach Bollywood the same way as they would a Western musical: that is, running and screaming in the opposite direction. Ah well, we're all philistines. ;)
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yes...ajy1, i'm sure that the translation sucked...the movie uses a dificult combination of Hindi, Urdu and Bengali. The words and song lyrics are very 1930's and though they sound normal to a person who understands the language, the translation leaves a lot to be desired. I happened to read a part of the english translation and it was strange to read it. I disagree with the part where u thought madhuri and SRK did better jobs in Hum tumhare hai sanam, because: a) Madhuri is a courtesan, its supposed to be part of a courtesan's nature to be able to be a good performer, which is why in her introductory sequences, u can see her emoting. She does it beautifully and as the movie progresses u can actually see her turning into someone who falls truly and deeply in love with Devdas, she even worships him. In the old adaptation, she begins to hate what she does and starts to wear, simple white sarees. Of course, simple clothes don't figure in this version ;) Madhuri's outburst after the "dola re" song...u could actually feel her slap!
b) SRK is subdued, because Devdas is supposed to be like that. H's afraid of his abusive father. He cannot go against them...i know thats hard to believe...but going against your parents is a hard thing to do even now for modern Indians. I thought his performance was dead on.
This is a period movie, set in ancient calcutta! things were different...the caste system was more prevalent then, people were more closed minded...i'm sure its hard to relate to.
i think the super opulent sets and costumes served a big purpose. Like it or not, whether u think they're garish or beautiful, they give the movie that claustrophobic feel. Aishwarya's new house seems like a fortress, Madhuri's palace...that amazing lighting! I could go on and on. I saw it for a second time today and i felt that the second half is weaker. That ending always brings a lump to my throat and i've never cried at a movie before. I even almost cried at the end of the first half when SRK "gives away" Ash. DEVDAS may or may not be liked by everyone...it sure is unique enough to be remembered as a landmark in bollywood. -
Thanks Weedy and ThePoleofJustice...it was good of you to be honest and open about your preferences. But truthfully that's the case for anyone. If you don't "get" something or like something, there really isn't too much you can do about it. That said, it's always best to judge after giving something a shot. I say that if you see "Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Guam," or one of the modern day Bollywood films you'll know whether or not it's for you. I had the same misconceptions about Bollywood way before I got into it. That it was too culturally specific. That it was only song & dance. That I wouldn't get it. That none of them are modern set films. But after a friend's suggestion I tried one, then another, then another. Now it's an addiction. "K3G" can be ordered for $9.99 (incl. shipping on VHS) or $19.99 (incl. shipping on DVD) at www.yashrajfilms.com. I know that Darius, Moviemaniac, and the others can give you guys good suggestions for your first Bollywood film to try. Hope you enjoy!
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I guess i can understand that u don't get Indian culture, but its a big step to even accept that. I'm glad to hear that. I just read two people's reviews of Devdas. One compared the leading ladies to Carmen Electra and the movie with Moulin Rouge. The other said it was strange and weird. I find Europeans, especially non UKites, and Americans find it especially hard to connect to non american cultures. This is because of the "closed world" they live in. As an Indian, i can scarcely live without hearing or talking or reading anything related to Non-Indian culture on a daily basis. However, Americans, no offense, tend to think the whole world is America. A lot of Europeans tend to think the whole world is just like Europe, only perhaps a little poor and a little hungry. I don't blame them, they just haven't seen it, so they can't relate to it. Talking about India in particular, most ppl think India is a jungle with elephants on the street, sadhus on beds of nails and the caste system. The caste system is there, but its overhyped, its not present everywhere. Very few people in towns and cities discriminate based on caste anymore. It does happen in the villages though, but then thats no different than the kind of discrimination that has been happening in most other countries at some point in history or the other. Indian Culture, Movies, food is enjoying an ever increasing popularity in the UK...i'm sure it will be a matter of time before it catches on in the US too.
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I do agree with some of your points on "Devdas" and I do like the film, even though I was disappointed. You're right in saying that it was claustrophoic in feel and yes, being that the film is predominantly interior, I felt it was indeed unique. I had no real problem with the production design (it was one of my friends who didn't like it). And I definitely have nothing against the film plot-wise (I feel I've learned so much about Indian custom and tradition from watching the movies...the clasping of the hands and "Namaste," the bowing and touching of the feet, the red dot on the forehead (they made a really good point about the class distinctions in "Devdas"...one thing I really liked about the film), the "shaadi" parties that usually lead to a great dance sequence in the second half of the film (with the women & the men getting down). I feel that a lot of the themes in Hindi films are universal: the importance of family, of love, etc. It was more other elements of the film: the slack direction and pacing, the mutedness, stuff like that. I'm glad that people are digging the film though and it certainly worked as an intro film for another friend of mine, who will now be going to more of these (I've gotten at least 7 people into Bollywood!).
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wow 7 converts! thats good! pretty soon the minions of bollywood will take over! bwahahahah! 20th Century Fox has already gotten into a deal with Ram Gopal Verma!
As for Devdas, i disagree about the slack direction. Here are some scenes i felt were really strong directorially and some that sucked. SUCKY: a) the opening scenes. I felt the movie was goona be horrible when i saw the first few mins. Luckily that didn't last. b) SRK's drunk scene where he goes into "lawyer" mode...i dunno it felt really fake. c) Madhuri's hair breaking the mirror! that one was funny. d) as for the mutedness...i think ajy1, u were watching a flawed print. Not only did i not find any cinematography problems (it was just as bright throughout), but there was a rousing background score throughout. What do u mean by mutedness?
GOOD SCENES: a) Paro meets Devdas to convince him to stop drinking in the second half. b) Paro deals with her step daughters mother in law. c)Madhuri's scenes. d)Paro's mom after the "morey piya" song.
The director made a conscious effort to keep the "krishna radha" theme throughout. He also manages to bring out awesome chemistry between both SRK ash and SRK madhuri. Not only that, even the friendship sequences between ash and madhuri don't seem contrived. The song where Paro gets married...that was great, one of those songs that actually contribute to the story adn aren't tacked on. The last scene...with Paro's saree fluttering behind her...
Ajy1, one more question. Did u connect with the movie at all? i mean did it move u? the theatre i was in, everyone cried at the end of both the first and second halves. -
...that has prevented it from appealing to mainstream western audiences. Or perhaps it's the other way around... it's something about mainstream wetern audiences, because Bollywood films are extremely popular just about everywhere else in the world, from every corner of Asia to Africa to South America. I am an Indian American and I personally never found Bollywood films too appealing. Maybe I developed an aversion growing up because my sisters loved them and they would monopolize the television by replaying musical numbers over and over and over again. I've recently been more willing to open up to them... I saw Lagaan and found it pretty enjoyable... but they are so long that it's hard to get myself to committ the time. I've enjoyed HK films more genereally for one basic reason.... the action appeals to me more than the music. It's a good thing that there aren't musical numbers in HK films because I can't STAND east asian pop music (kinda makes you appreciate how decent Indian pop music is). But at any rate, it looks like some Western audiences are finally joining the rest of the world in their appreciation for Bollywood. Lagaan and Mission to Kashmir are even available on DVD at my local Hollywood video... and that's among all of about 15 or so foreign films. On an unrelated note... that news about Miramax wanting to tinker with Hero really pisses me off. Where the fuck to these six dollar latte drinkin' pricks get the notion that they know more about movie making than Zhang Yimou?!?!
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Ah, too true, too true. Well, philistines of the world unite! I just wish from time to time I wouldn't be so enthralled with American cinema to the point that it makes my view of other forms of film opaque. And to Darius, further to your last post - I overly simplified and generalized my explaination - you're right, the fact that I'm Canadian is no excuse for not being more open-minded. There are lots of themes in all cinema that I can relate to - its the details, the nuances that I feel seperate good films from average, and I just can't get the details in Indian cinema. Anyway - back to work... And dreams of Bruce Campbell....
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Yeah, maybe there are some marketing jobs opening up at Yash Raj, Eros, Video Sound, or any of the other distribs. here in town and in NJ. My friends all think I should go work for them. In terms of "Devdas," it's less in terms of individual scenes that I felt were muted, but maybe the overall tone of the piece. I think I'm just more into the lavish flicks that are a bit more quickly paced, with more humor, as well as pathos. But that's just my personal preference. Obviously this material doesn't lead itself to Johnny Lever style hysterics. But that doesn't mean it has to feel like its running time. There just wasn't too much to perk my attention up aside from certain segments of the film. The confrontation by Paro's mother and her declaration for her not to marry Devdas was a good scene. Also some of the dialogue (and the usage of that candle to show her neverending love for him). The class conflicts. The two musical numbers at the end. Stuff like that was good. I have teared up at movies before but not at this one unfortunately (my friends cried at "K3G"...heck one of them whom I took to her first Bwood film, "Na Tum Jaano Na Hum" was almost on the floor weeping when Hrithik sobbed onscreen...she was not too impressed at "Devdas"). It really just boils down to personal taste. All I can do is shrug, but I am genuinely glad you guys love the film though. Which of the old versions should I rent? And what makes the Devdas story such a popular one that it was adapted so many times?
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truth be told, i haven't seen the older versions. I also don't know why Devdas is such an often adapted story. It is considered one of the great Indian novels. The story, and its tragic ending captured the attention of film makers in those times, since a lot of older movies tended to have sad, tragic plotlines. I guess that was how the psyche of the Indian audience was then. They loved those kinda things. (Mother India) Every Devdas production there ever was has been plagued by problems. So has this one...so its kinda become an urban legend. Coupled with the hype, Devdas is a curious story that has captured the interest of the current generation of movie goers, most of whom haven't seen the other adaptations and want to know what its all about. A sad ending makes a refreshing change from all those sugar sweet ones though, and for once, i thought this was a movie that focuses on the plot...and doesn't deviate into Johnny level comedy track, sub plots a,b and c and 10 different unnecessary songs. Hey Ajy1, did u see Kuch Kuch Hota Hia, Karan Johar's first movie? how do u rate it compared to K3G?
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First off, many thanks for the recommendation to ajy1..."K3G" just made...THE LIST. And I wonder about Takeshi...it seems that many of his films ("Fireworks," "Brother," "Sonatine," etc.) have a stone faced criminal with integrity who finds himself worse and worse off with each successive film. I wonder if he's making a grand, karmic statement about a criminal minded man who keeps getting his ass kicked (with gradually increasing severity) in an endless loop of reincarnations. Or maybe he found a formula he likes. Whatever, just keep crankin' 'em out, I'll keep showing up. Is it true that he used to be...a COMEDIAN? Weird. Also, MovieManiac, I hate to say it, but you're spot on concerning Americans. The old Steve Martin joke that "Those French have a different word for EVERYTHING!" really does reflect a genuine attitude among many people here in the US of A. If someone says something they don't understand, well, they're probably (a) trying to corrupt the morals of our youth, (b) crazy, (c) gay, (d) trying to push a "liberal" agenda, (e) etc. Hate to sound so cynical, but I've been forced into that belief corner by 33 uninterupted years of living in the richest country in the world.
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I think the 'eye slicing' is a reference to a famous scene in the early surrealist film "Un Chien Andalou" by Brunel(sp?)
The eye in close up was a calf's eye I believe. I don't recall where I read that so it might not be true.
There ya' go. My good deed for today. :-)
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Is it just me or is the eyeball slicing gif a tad unessecesary.
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Jul 18, 2002 7:48:08 PM CDT
I think they should make Godzilla Vs King Kong, and Hulk Hogan s
by chaffro
"Whatcha doin' wit my banana, brother?"
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...is a reference to "Un Chien Andalou", directed by Luis Bunuel, in collaboration with Salvador Dali. Made in France in 1928, it was banned for years, and it's only 17 minutes long, but has more masterful images in it than Jim Cameron could ever dream of in 17 hours worth of film. There's a shot of a woman with whom a guy threatens to slice her eye open with a switchblade. There is the a cut to a close-up of a cow's eye, which they do slice open. If you think that's fuckedup, wait for the bit with the dead donkeys on the piano, or the ants coming out the guys hand.
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hey guys, no need to apologize if you don't get it!! Ajy1's kind of right as the whole industry is SO Big that there are many subgenres and even lower genres within them. They will have quite a few things in common (like the cultural aspects) but they will also have many differences aswell. And yeah weedy you're right - most Indian movies show two things - the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. The old tradition used to be about showing middle class folks deal with their lives, but now everything is turning too commercial, with a lot of glosh and lavish settings and even urban themes. I think that weedy, you're especially looking for urban films. Ok here's some for you guys. DIL CHAHTA HAI, which you must have heard about is very urban - in the sense that it is set in Bombay (the rich areas), has trendy characters, and plays much like a high-budget version of Friends. It's definately a film you should see. AANKHEN is a very good heist thriller with some great comedic moments - the acting is top notch and the production values are really high. Many people consider it to be one of the top films of this year. COMPANY is a very very VERY good gangster movie easily considered to be one of the best films in the genre. It's very urban in that it's set in cities like Bombay, Hong Kong and even in Africa (I forgot the city's name). The backdrop shouldn't really matter though because it's story is very EPIC in scope and has some great performances. KABHI KHUSHI KABHIE GHAM is a typical Indian blocbuster - family story, big budget, lavish settings, good drama and comedy, great music, and one of the largest cast assembled in the industry. All of these films are different in genres, but they're more urban and tend to focus less on the more ancient cultural aspects. If you want to try them out, check out www.indiaweekly.com or www.indiancdstore.com for the best DVD prices on the net.
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They should leave Mulan alone. Good Movie.
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I have a copy of it sitting on my shelf and I'll definitely get to it soon!
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I'm seeing Devdas tomorrow, and in London here, it is already a big hit. It's number 5 in the charts, and its the first Indian Movie playing at London's biggest screen(Empire leicster Square), all day everyday. It has got rave reviews from all the UK movie magazines and TV review shows. It is being touted as the breakthrough movie for the non-indian audience, it has had the widest realease for an Indian movie, and is playing in a subtitled version, in many cinemas which usually do not show bollywood fare.........However, their is another Indian "product" that has outdone Devdas this summer. It is Andrew Lyyod Webber's and AR Rahman's new play..called "Bombay Dreams". I just saw this two nights ago, and it was excellent. It is basically like watching an Indian Movie on stage...with musical numbers, dances, fights, comedy, the works. It has become teh hottest ticket in London. I woudl defnitely suggest Indian cinema fans to check out teh album by AR rahman. And if any of you guys are planning to come to London, defnitley see it. It is plananed to be running until March 2003.
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Jeez-usss Christ man, QT knows NBK is shit: without watching the fuckin thing? What an arrogant pig-headed bitchy, Always right Asshole he is. NBK is Horse-shit, but at least I've seen the fucking thing, so I can say what I think of it! And then, when it turns out the King of Film Geeks blurted out praise for a film, & got the name of the Director wrong? Oh well, plenty of talented people are major Assholes, James Cameron for one, so I guess he's in good company. (Talent-wise that is)
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Underworld movies:
1.Vaastav (1999)
2.Satya (1998)
3.Hathyar (1989)
4.Dayavan (1988)
Some great reasons why Anil Kapoor is better than SRK:
1.Virasat (1997)
2.Parinda (1989)
3.Eshwar (1985)
4.Saheb (1985)
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Anyone know where I can get a DVD copy? Thanks.
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