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Hey folks, Harry here... Seems USA TODAY talked a bit with Harrison Ford, but frankly... even more interesting was the couple of beans spilt by Frank Darabont over at SciFi.Com in regards to the work he is doing on the screenplay. Ford will indeed be playing the part as an older man, should be interesting...


Saw this in the USA Today and wasn't sure if it was worth your time or not...but I would rather err on the side of caution, so here goes....  

The following is the direct quote about the 4th Indiana Jones movie....word from word out of a USA Today (July 16 LIFE section) article on Harrison Ford.  Talking with Ford about his new movie K-19, of course they would also talk about Indy 4.  Here is what was said (...the link to the article is also listed below...)  

He and Steven Spielberg are cooking up Indiana Jones 4, with a planned release in 2005. But Ford says of the script, "We've only just begun." He adds confidently enough, "We'll get there." He'd like Kate Capshaw and Sean Connery to turn up again. Might Indiana have a son himself? Ford says that's never been discussed.

Although he'll be past 60 when shooting starts, Ford expects this Indiana Jones to be as physical as the others. "It's just running, jumping, falling down. I'll get as sore as I ever did."  


Looks as though everyone's favorite archeologist will be 63 before we seem him in the fedora with bullwhip at his this point is it worth it??  

You can call me southpaw.  

Keep up the great work,  


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  • July 17, 2002, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Kate Capshaw

    by Nozoki

    Noooooo! No, no ,no ,no, no. Unless she dies. Really early. And monkeys throw poop at her corpse.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:14 p.m. CST

    PLEASE let me play Indy's son...

    by The_Tao_of_Eric

    I would be so perfect for it. People tell me all the time I look like Harrison Ford, not to mention I'm in really good shape. Ummm, who cares about previous acting experience, really. I should've been Anakin, too. Hey, did anyone else see that ad for the Country Bears? Holy shit! I can't believe they made a movie out of those Chucky Cheese motherfuckin' mechanical beasts. And what is Oswald from Drew Carey doin' in it? $$$, I guess...Everyone needs a paycheck.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:21 p.m. CST

    well, this sucked

    by PriestYoungblood

    I read this news on Cinescape or Dark horizons days ago. HArry, dude, your need to separate the wheat from the chaffe on these articles. Anyway, I am actually excited about this project. I love all three Indy movies in varying degrees, and if Ford's up to it physically, I'm there too. Connery would be nice, but the hell with Kate Capshaw. I'd rather have KAren Allen return - she was a MUCH cooler character. Fucking movie nepotism sucks.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Indiana and the Holy Grail

    by bogrod

    If Indiana Jones drank from the Holy Grail, not only is he immortal, but in my opinion probably unlikely to age much... I wonder if they plan on adressing that fact at all for the next film.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Indy 4: Gallstones of the Gods

    by exit272

    Okay, according to Hollywood standards, actresses are hopefully washed up by the time they hit 38. But they still think audiences will watch a geriatric male action hero. Haven't the recent Arnold failures taught them anything (and Arnie's a relatively spry 54)? Make no mistake, I love Ford, but he's nearly Anthony Hopkins' age and he ought to be pursuing more mature roles now, not still trying to be Indy. Good grief, does anyone think he can still outrun huge boulders and throw himself off of high cliffs?

  • July 17, 2002, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Harrison Ford is the friggin' artifact

    by Heywood Jablowme

    The lost object Indy should search for is Ford's movie career. He hasn't had a decent hit since what, the Fugitive? And don't say that What Lies Beneath counts, it was mediocre at best. Think about the recent ones: Random Hearts, 6 Days..., The Devil's Own.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Death to the Demoness Kate Capshaw!

    by wasp

    Ah, gotta love eXistenZ. Anyways, I seriously hope Kate Capshaw is not in this movie. I don't really know how good an Indiana Jones 4 could be anyways, but I know it won't be all that great if Spielberg's slut plays a major part. Okay, that's not fair to Kate...but if there was a good movie in Temple of Doom, I could not see it beneath the soul-crushing torture of Kate's whiny hysterics. If she had not been in that movie, I probably would have liked it. I'll never know, though. Before there was Jar Jar, there was Capshaw.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Grail issue

    by Heywood Jablowme

    The Nazi bitch took the Grail beyond the seal in the floor of the temple, thus negating the Grail's gift of immortality. This is according to what the knight instructed. So, there.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:31 p.m. CST

    funky posting

    by Heywood Jablowme

    I swear I posted my last response after six other people, yet I'm first? Huh?

  • July 17, 2002, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Holy Grail

    by Heck!

    Didn't that old bastard say that the power of the Grail didn't work beyond the seal? So I guess that would explain why Indy will look almost as old as his dad in the new movie. And I will be the first one there when this bad boy opens in theates. Indy rules. Heck!

  • July 17, 2002, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Ford on Leno (not literally)

    by Heywood Jablowme

    Did you guys see him on Leno's show. It made me cringe to see him try to use the whip. I know he's not really Indiana Jones just because he has a whip in his hand, but you couldn't help but feel embarrassed for the guy.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:38 p.m. CST

    NO KATE, NO KATE, NO KATE!!!!!!!!!

    by ComputerGuy68

    If Kate's in it, one more reason NOT to see this one. All I want is Raiders on DVD, not the other ones, just Raiders NOW!!!! Oh great Harry, now I'm having flashback from my experimental film class, frikin' Dali film!!! ____END OF LINE

  • July 17, 2002, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by Quaker

    I want all of the Indy DVD's including they Young Indy ones, but Lucas will drag his heels as usual and we probably won't see any of them until after he has finished working on the starwars dvds. So by 2006 - 2007 we might get them oooh I can't wait. Lucas will of course have to oversee everything as usual.

  • Marion had the most complicated relationship with Indiana Jones, she was also the one who had the best chemistry with him, and she's the one EVERY fan wants to see return. I hold no grudges against Kate Capshaw, I'd like to see her in movies again actually, but her character in Temple of Doom is NOT the one who should be back for this last outing. If she is, this movie will have one more HUGE strike against it--the others being (1) they've waited too long (2) NONE of the three bigs(Ford, Steven, and Lucas) are making movies as good as they used to (3) Consequence of #1, there will be no more pre-WWII setting(ie no Nazi villains) (4) Star Wars Episode One sized anticipation that probably can't be satisfied at this point (5) The Curse of the Fourth movie in a serie--a curse defied only by Star Trek (6) Harrison Ford is now older than Sean Connery was when he played his dad in the last film--they're only sixteen years apart in age or something like that. Plus, with Denholm Elliot dead there's no more Marcus Brody. If the movie is good it'll overcome all of these drawbacks, but Willie Scott instead of Marion Ravenwood just sucks.

  • July 17, 2002, 12:55 p.m. CST

    When are the goddamn DVDs coming out!?!?!

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    Does anyone have a line on info about this? I always hear some shit about Lucas wanting to wait (Man, fuck that guy - Spielberg puts his shit out in good time), but really, any concrete info beyond "some guy at the video store said"?

  • July 17, 2002, 1:01 p.m. CST

    old fart adventure movies rock

    by Astaldo

    seriously, Connery was still doing good movies at Ford's age. Ford could be described as minimalist actor, its true, but if Connery can pull it off, I would say Ford can as well. perhaps he'll get an umbrella and other old guy acoutrements. also, wasn't the premise of the young Indiana Jones chronicles that the grail did bestow immortality on Jones and he was telling the stories of his youth as a very, very old man?(I remember a really good scene where old Jones is in a donut shop and he graps this lazy-ass teenage worker and make him get glazed donuts for a lady)

  • July 17, 2002, 1:11 p.m. CST


    by Skaetur

    I would like to take this oportunity to say, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Harry, send out your spies to dig up more goonies II stuff,,, On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being a pile of crap, and 10 being an invisibilty ring, i want to see Indy IV at about a 3 and goonies II at a 9. MORE GOONIES II stuff please... I heard Keri Green refused to reprise her role =( (saw it on a keri green fan site) can you confrim or deny? And why not bring short round back, if your gonna bring Kate Capshaw,, short round could be all bad-ass now doing kung-fu and killing soviets !

  • July 17, 2002, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I want DVD's now!

    by ewem

    Guess I will have to go on Ebay and get boots of these like I did the Star Wars movies. Damned good ones, too! Harrison is going to be past 60 when he does this? Absurd! Just like Star wars...they waited too damned long!

  • July 17, 2002, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Please God...

    by rabid_republican

    No Kate Capshaw. I must echo the sentiments of well...nearly everyone when I say please bring back Marion. We'll better off for it. I don't really care if Capshaw is Spielberg's wife. It matter's little to me. Then again, you needn't tell me that's not how Hollywood works.

  • July 17, 2002, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Alison Doody

    by charles_doody

    We need Alison Doody back in Indy 4, even though she fell in that botomless pit in Last Crusade. Lucas could always find a way to bring her back. She was the best Indy female lead.

  • July 17, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by Col paul foster

    This movie has got to have Nazis in and they must all be played by british actors[has any body noticed that all the Imperial forces are brits and the rebels are yanks,HMMMMMM,what war does that remind me of,eliminate the rebels,IMMEDIATLY!]

  • Faldo looks exactly like Ford did about 15 years ago. Have him play Indy and you don't have to address the age factor.

  • July 17, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Short Round

    by Heck!

    Come on people, I know he was only in Temple Of Doom, but we totally need Short Round in the new one! To hell with Kate Capshaw, give us Mr. Round! Heck!

  • July 17, 2002, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Doesnt Harry look like....

    by LordWeymont

    Harry looks like that fat guy on "Hollywood Squares." Harrison Ford hasn't made a decent movie for a looooooooooong time. And fuck Lucas for making us wait for the DVD's...he's such a pussy.

  • July 17, 2002, 2:14 p.m. CST

    the domain for indy4

    by drjones is already registered. just take a look at !!!

  • July 17, 2002, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Harrison Ford is not too old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by J Rex

    He does NOT look 63. You're all a bunch of close-minded idiots! You see there's these people in movies called make-up artists and there's this thing called hair dye to help people look better. They use it on all those twenty something chicks in movies to cover up all their flaws. I just think that if you can't watch a movie without bringing in your own personal feelings about an actor or director then how are you a flim fan to begin with? Aren't you setting yourself up to dislike a film when you keep saying "well, neither one of them has made a good film in decades and Ford is way too old". Too old for what? Too old to run and jump? None of his stunts in the first 3 movies were that complicated that he needed to be in his twentys to do. I mean to like these movies anyway you had to suspend disbelief because they all had supernatural happenings in them. And as to the Arnold comparison. The reason his movies don't do good anymore has nothing to do with his age. He's just not choosing very good or original movies.

  • July 17, 2002, 3 p.m. CST

    It never stops

    by iSeeEvilDEAD

    Man, There just going to make sequels to every fanboy movie around. When does it stop? ALIEN 5, terminater 3, more BATMAN, TRUE LIES 2, anybody remember LEATHEL WEAPON 4? It was ok, but did it really need to be made? Let Indy rest in peace as an all time classic before it turns out like Star Wars

  • July 17, 2002, 3:20 p.m. CST

    From now on

    by durhay

    Tired jokes will be numbered for your convience. Instead of trotting out said tired joke, just write the number. For instance, "First!" is 1, "Don&#39;t Make Me Ang Lee" is 2, "Indiana Jones and the <insert joke>" is 3, and so on.

  • July 17, 2002, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by AlyFox

    Just one or two things: Yes, 60 is old, I willingly admit. But everyone here is acting like Harrison was 21 or something when he did Raiders. Guess what? HE WAS 38 or 39 YEARS OLD WHEN RAIDERS WAS RELEASED! While that is not old, again, it&#39;s not like he was in his 20&#39;s. Lastly, it&#39;s about time you TB&#39;ers at least RECOGNIZED, not agree, with something: just because Ford&#39;s latest movies, AFO and What Lies Beneath not withstanding, were financial failures, doesn&#39;t mean he was bad IN them or he was stupid to make them! The Devil&#39;s own had a great story and great director, and Ford was great in it. Who wouldn&#39;t sign on for a tropical island romantic comedy for Ivan Reitman? And his cop character in Random Hearts was cool until the flick focussed on the plane crash and the senator. My point is that on paper, these are good projects, and they went awry by the time they hit theatres. Am I wrong? If so, tell me. See ya at the movies, --Alyfox

  • July 17, 2002, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by plainhighdrifter

    y&#39;all should&#39;ve known episodes 1 & 2 were going to be cartoons based on the crap he added to the re-releases. what have i, what have i, what have i done to deserve this?

  • July 17, 2002, 3:45 p.m. CST

    It will...

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    be better than AOTC.

  • July 17, 2002, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Two things to say...

    by screenplaywriter

    When the hell are the "Indiana Jones Trilogy" on DVD coming out and when are we going to find out what the story is about, who&#39;s in it, who is Indiana Jones facing (I&#39;d like to see him fight the Russians this time around, or some evil French archeaologist instead of the Nazis). I also think the woman from "Raiders" should be in it instead of Kate, she was sexy, she knew how to knock a guy out, and she didn&#39;t show to much fear as Kate did. I also want to see either Indy having an evil twin brother (Billy Zane), or having a son (kind of like a Shorty the Asian kid type character, only this time a little less annoying). If they can come up with anything like that and put in than it&#39;s a must-see.

  • July 17, 2002, 5 p.m. CST

    Billy Zane? Mr Next Big Thing 1992?

    by NapoleonWilson

    Im sure a part could be found for M C Hammer too. By the way I hear the reason why Karen Allen wont be in the next film is due to the fact that she spurned the advances of the pint-sized director while making Raiders - and that he made sure her future in film was fucked. Im sure in retrospect she would have opened her legs when asked all those years ago if she knew her career would have taken 20+ year lull.

  • July 17, 2002, 5:02 p.m. CST

    More potential bad news for you to bitch about

    by ZSmooth

    I remember hearing a rumour that the fourth installment will introduce Indy&#39;s troublemaking Brother. Kevin Costner was who they had in mind. Kevin Costner. Now if they cast Freddie Prinze Jr as Indy&#39;s son. Whew baby, can&#39;t wait to see the shit hit the talkback fan now.

  • July 17, 2002, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Please do not knock Billy Zane, he made the Phantom worth watchi

    by scorpio2nd

    I&#39;m not commenting about this nor any Indy 4 story because i&#39;m just not interested. So that&#39;s that.

  • July 17, 2002, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Let&#39;s start a campaign! I say Eric Bana to play Indy Jones J

    by togmeister

    I say that the Beards will have to get a younger guy in to handle the ass-kicking side of things in Indy 4, and Bana is about the right age, not to mention that he kicked ass left and right in Chopper and Black Hawk Down. I mean, who would you rather have? Affleck? Wahlberg? Ledger? Bana for Indy! Spread the word!

  • July 17, 2002, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Sean Connery will play Indy&#39;s Son!!!

    by Flipao

    And he&#39;ll do his own stunts!!!! And shag Kate Capshaw! Um... yeah... =)

  • July 17, 2002, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Such a wait!!

    by laguna_loire

    I read an interview with Spielberg in this month&#39;s UK Empire and he &#39;fessed-up to hating commentary on his films via DVD, and I think Lucas may feel the same way - so why don&#39;t they entrust the DVD conversion to somebody who can do the job and get on with it!! COME ON GUYS!! I would love Indy dearly to be back in style, and I would like Marion Ravenwood back, but no Willie Scott - can&#39;t watch Temple of Doom repeatedly, her screaming really gets on my wick!! Mind you, Lucas is probably scared shitless of putting-together any ideas for Indy 4, lest he receives more of that stupid "you raped my childhood memories" garbage. In fact I&#39;ll wager that he&#39;s all-holed up somewhere in a bullshit-free zone. Still, if Ford, Lucas, and Spielberg are taking the project this seriously, then we may have something truly monumental waiting. Just think, summer 2005, Indy 4 and Episode III - damn, are there any screens big enough?!!

  • July 17, 2002, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Who Cares??????

    by Dr.Killkov

    This dude says, "at this point, who cares?" It doesn&#39;t matter how long they wait, as long as the right people are involved, it&#39;s gunna rock. As for Alien vs. Predetor... Shit. I don&#39;t know, i jus-.... Shit.

  • July 17, 2002, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Okay why I said Billy Zan is because...

    by screenplaywriter

    1. The one guy made up a good point that he was in "The Phantom" a really good movie that had Kristy Swanson and Catherine Zeta-Jones in it. 2. He sort of looks like Ford in a way. 3. I mean there was rumor a while back that even Mark Hamill would be Indy&#39;s brother, now to me that doesn&#39;t seem right to me. So, I guess if you think about it either Billy Zane, or some younger guy should be Indy&#39;s brother.

  • July 17, 2002, 7:11 p.m. CST

    He&#39;s still in shape

    by CosDashit

    Christopher Lee is 80 and still playing physically demanding parts in LOTR and Star Wars. Ian McKellen is 63 and still making action films. If they can do it, Ford can do it.

  • July 17, 2002, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Grail and Indy&#39;s Immortality

    by Vizzini

    Just writing this because i am irritated by crap that people are talking about the grail and everlasting life. It keeps you alive if YOU KEEP DRINKING FROM IT. Indy took enough to test it and some for his father, they left the place, and will only benefit from its healing properties until it is pissed out of their system or whatever. Simple simple concept.

  • July 17, 2002, 7:35 p.m. CST

    ATTENTION! Make it World War II !!!

    by Spab2

    Not the 1950&#39;s for God&#39;s sake. We need an all-out Indy WWII action movie. Guns, fist-fights, magic artifacts, and the whole US Marine Corps turning up in the last half hour. We need to see Indy&#39;s WAR!

  • July 17, 2002, 9:03 p.m. CST

    My apologies, i&#39;m a little interested. Hey, i&#39;ve had an

    by scorpio2nd

    Yes that&#39;s right, the punk who got a hole through the stomach in Terminator, Shao Kahn in Mortal Kombat 2 (internet movie database says number 3 is out in may, good god). Let&#39;s forget this Kevin Costner crap, the best type of villian is one that nobody finds sexually attractive and he&#39;d fit the bill. Plus, he&#39;s versetile enough an actor to play anything from a nazi to a crazed old knight. No more eccentric millionaires with no menace at all and who we take one look at and say "yep, he&#39;ll be dead in 90 minutes" (yes Treat Williams in The Phantom, i&#39;m talking to you). Am i crazy people? Comments appreciated.

  • July 17, 2002, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by jackburtonlives

    Indiana Jones IV??? "UHHH... he drank from the holy grail so he&#39;s like immortal and doesn&#39;t age and like he can do the role." are you people for real??? the man is old enough to be my grandfather! i was doing double takes all through IJ The Last Crusade wondering who was older and more washed up, Harrison Ford or Sean Connery.... AND THAT WAS 12 YEARS AGO!!!! you&#39;ve got to be kidding. make it a comedy in the spirit of Undercover Brother. call it "Romancing the Bone" or something and make it a parody. it will be one anyway.

  • July 17, 2002, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by TomVee

    No Kate Capshaw! On the other hand, who cares who&#39;s in this? No one will see it. Ford is not John Wayne or Clint Eastwood or even Sean Connery. He has aged very badly. Look at him in WHAT LIES BENEATH, especially when he has his shirt off. Look at the old fucker in SEVEN DAYS, and that movie is several years old! He never was a particularly strong actor and in his last few movies he looks and moves like the old man he has become. The movie will definitely need a son or daughter.

  • July 17, 2002, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Jet Li as Short Round!!!!!!

    by AndreGregory

    Make it happen!!! And put the story in the 1960&#39;s so Harrison and Jet can kick some Peace Corps volunteer arses!!!!

  • July 17, 2002, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Kate Capshaw


    I know the world is wondering about my opinion on this, so I&#39;ll throw in my two cents. Raiders was really the only Indy movie that I liked. Temple was hard to sit through, what with the forced banter that Harrison Ford had to do with Kate Capshaw, and combine that little ass monkey Short Round with her, and it was a deadly one, two punch that KO&#39;d this movie. Last Crusade was so so, rescued from being completely forgettable by Sean Connery, and a really hot Alison Doody. All that being said, I&#39;ll be at this movie opening weekend. I&#39;m also hoping that Karen Allen will return, maybe her and Kate Capshaw will fight over Indy, and Karen can beat the shit out of her, man, just imagine, the whole theatre would erupt in applause. I still think Harrison Ford has some game left in him, but I would like to see him take some supporting roles. Actually, Quentin Tarantino should have gotten him to replace Warren Beatty in Kill Bill, instead of that no talent David Carradine.

  • July 17, 2002, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Bring Back BELLOCH!

    by EmPerfectCror

    Belloch was THE BEST movie villan ever! By far my favorite! I know, I know, he died but man, was he great. "So once again Jones, what was breifly yours is now mine!" Classic!

  • July 18, 2002, 12:07 a.m. CST

    You people are all so Goddamned stupid

    by Sea Bass

    I&#39;m assuming you&#39;re all kids who are a bunch of Matrix and LOTR marks but Indiana Jones was never about being a young, athletic super hero. He got his ass kicked, all the time. That&#39;s the whole fucking point, you morons. The shtick works just as well at 60 at it does at 40. Jesus Christ you Talkbackers are some ignorant fucks. Sorry, continue with the hilarious title ideas.

  • July 18, 2002, 12:09 a.m. CST


    by NYC

    She better be in this. Short round too. Karen Allen&#39;s character was cool and all but lookswise, Capshaw has definitely held up alot better. I loved her in Temple of Doom. I couldn&#39;t see another actress in that role. If she wasn&#39;t in it, I don&#39;t know if I could regard it as one of the best action movies ever. So dream on losers. As long as Spielberg&#39;s involved Kate is totally in.

  • July 18, 2002, 12:11 a.m. CST


    by NYC

    If Kate won&#39;t do it, then get Ford&#39;s hot new girfriend Flockhart in. I want to see her wet and in jungle rags.

  • July 18, 2002, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Could the haters please be seated!

    by Dank Byronator

    You know, I come here all the time and I see whiney ass pople on here complaining about how bad this movie is and how bad this director fucked up a great movie. Well you know what, quit watching these movies if they suck that bad! Nobody caught you by tyhe balls and made you spend your little 7.50 to see AOTC. And I am quite sure nobody&#39;s gonna make you take your whiney asses to the theater to watch Indy 4 or the next star wars. Stay at home, rent a flick that you don&#39;t think sucks. I know the selection is slim, because to you, most movies suck, but come on, there has to be one out there that pleases your tastes.

  • July 18, 2002, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by jackburtonlives

    i just heard it straight from the horse&#39;s mouth that Harrison Ford has been slated to play Elvis in the sequel to Bubba Ho-Tep. not even harry knows about this one yet. but it&#39;s been greenlighted.

  • July 18, 2002, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones DVDs

    by Jangospeck

    I think the set is scheduled to come out just before Christmas 2002.

  • "Whatcha doin&#39; with my daddy, brother?"

  • July 18, 2002, 5:03 a.m. CST

    I&#39;ll give it a go...

    by NathanDetroit

    but if I hear the words "I&#39;m getting too old for this" I swear to god I will walk out there and then.

  • July 18, 2002, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by Demon Disco

    C&#39;mon, admit it! There&#39;s no real reason to do another Indy apart from the almighty dollar. Sure, the fanboy in me would love to see one but c&#39;mon! Making one for the sake of it is pointless. Can&#39;t we just leave the original trilogy in peace? Look what happened when Lucas thought he&#39;d take another crack at Star Wars! (Ooh! Controversial!) Sometimes we just have to let the ones we love the most go...

  • July 18, 2002, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Cold War

    by pilchard

    You can&#39;t really have Ford looking so much older and still have it set in World War II. Won&#39;t work. How about moving it on so he&#39;s fighting the Commies or something? Set it in the late 50s, early 60s. Show how Indiana&#39; s world is changing gradually, how the world is contracting. The age of the jet plane, the Rat Pack era. Hell, you could even have Jones driving an early Aston Martin or something. It would still be very much the past - 50 or 40 years ago - but it would be a different spin on things. Maybe have a Nazi member/scientist involved whose gone over to the Commies or something? And Ford could be dignified old, like Eastwood in Unforgiven.

  • July 18, 2002, 8:20 a.m. CST

    "a Nazi scientist who went over to the Commies or something"

    by Rain_Dog

    Yet another reason why politics and movie geeks just don&#39;t mix.

  • July 18, 2002, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Rain Dog? Rain Man, more like

    by pilchard

    Not all Nazi members were Nazis out of conviction - just toeing the party line. Come the end of the war, scientists will go where the money is. (Often America).

  • July 18, 2002, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Temple is the Empire of Indy

    by TARDIS

    Much like Empire is to the Star Wars trilogy, Temple of Doom is by far the best film in the Indy Trilogy. Both movies explore a darker aspect of the characters and of the world in which they exist. In both cases, they were the *real* movie the filmakers wanted to make, and in both cases the 3rd movie backslid to the style of the originals due to the public not appreciating the brillaince of the sophomore installments. And judging from this talkback, people *still* don&#39;t understand what Indy is about, or what makes a good movie. Temple is the *only* movie where Indy is against ultimate evil, not just mean Nazis. What&#39;s a better badguy, a Nazi stooge or the embodiment of Satan? It&#39;s the only movie that addresses his original motivation for getting into the business in the first place: "Fortune and glory, kid, fortune and glory." It&#39;s also the only movie we see where he struggles with his motivations. We see him change, we see Indy grow, he has the Shankara stones in hand, mission accomplished, but there are kids screaming... He can&#39;t leave them. It&#39;s at that moment he goes from being a grave-robber to being the hero we see later in Raiders. Why do you think Temple is a prequel anyway? To develop Indy, to show why he is who he is. And as far as Willie Scott goes, she was a distinctly better character than Marion Ravenwood because she was her own person, not a caricature of Indy. Like putting a dress on Mickey Mouse and renaming him Minnie. Willie is a *different* person who&#39;s from a different world, therefore her reactions are all starkly different than Indy&#39;s. She&#39;s not his sidekick, she&#39;s his opposite. Without Willie Scott, Temple would be a humorless and brutally dark movie... but still good. With her, the movie soars and becomes a classic of modern cinema. Check out the scenes of them in the forest and how the swarm of bats follow their every step as if they are being followed by evil. Or the utter hopelessness we see in Short Round&#39;s face when Indy is posessed. Truly a strong Act Two, where all hope of is gone. Nothing like that exists in the other 2. When I saw Temple in the theater as kid, I had the same reaction as many others, the same reactions I see on this board. I thought it was too dark, scary, and not enough like the original. My only defence for those sentiments is I was only a kid. Later in college, I rediscovered Temple, and came to the sudden realizatin that it was genius, and I was just too young to understand it the first go around. It&#39;s a movie for adults, which is probably why most AICN talk-backers don&#39;t get it. I find Temple imminently more watchable than the others in the series. Raiders is fun and nostalgic, like Star Wars; Crusade is insulting, like Jedi; and Temple is a masterpiece, like Empire.

  • July 18, 2002, 11:04 a.m. CST

    here&#39;s an idea...

    by Astaldo

    how about, instead of having him act younger and setting it in the fifties, they could AGE him and set the movie in 1970 and have him supervising a dig for with a bunch of hippie archaeology grad students-yes, there could be a pair of lovers, a plucky, inquisitive lesbian and a pot-smoking goofball with a stupid but loveable great dane....oh, smeg. anyway, ever notice how when we begin each movie, Indy is up to his armpits in some adventure already? like in Raiders he was stealing the golden head of god-knows-what, and in Temple he had the ashes of the chinese emperor, and in Crusade he was retrieving the cross of Coronado. I wonder what his beginning quest will be this time? I think it would be cool if he was just finishing off some secret nazi plot in Argentina involving the ancient Sword of Siegfried or something-and THEN he gets into the main plot of the movie-like he has finally stopped the armies of darkness from marching all over the face of the earth once and for all, and he is flung headlong into one, last, international adventure

  • July 18, 2002, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I don&#39;t want to be rude... but ... "looks like Ford will be

    by TheGinger Twit

    Well I&#39;m pretty fricken sure he would, huh

  • July 18, 2002, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Hahaha, that&#39;s a good one, Tarsis

    by wasp

    Funny stuff, man. In the event that you are being serious...well, Indiana Jones and Star Wars are popcorn flicks first and foremost...the primary intent is not to offer ruminations on mankind because they cannot do that well if they are required to constantly thrill the audience with suspense and action set pieces. They certainly do have their artistic side, but darkness and exploring character facets are only good things if they are done WELL and if they are incorporated into the overall structure of the movie. As a narrative, Temple of Doom just seems messy and unfocused compared to Raiders. You say the embodiment of Satan makes the better bad guy. I&#39;d argue that the Nazis make a better bad guy because they add a little versimilitude to Raiders and they are also a bit more subtle and dare I say relevant representation of evil ... the evil that is naturally born of humanity itself. Plus, I don&#39;t think Indiana Jones could really defeat an embodiment of Satan -- short of dipping his whip in holy water and yelling, "The power of Christ compels you!" I don&#39;t really understand how anyone could like Willie Scott, but I guess these are subjective matters. To me, she represents a pure caricature of annoying female antics. She is the scapegoat for a lot of terrible humor. She has almost no real chemistry with Indiana Jones. I spent every moment wishing that she would be killed as soon as possible so I could get on to enjoying the movie. But hey, if you like her, you like her. I guess you could say that you enjoyed Temple of Doom better than Raiders. Heck, for some of the reasons I mentioned earlier, I like A New Hope better than The Empire Strikes Back, and most Star Wars buffs would flame me for that. I think Empire Strikes Back is great, and the darkness is certainly appropriate, but aside from the great drama of its conclusion, everything that comes before seems rather dull in comparison to the excitement that charges the entirety of A New Hope. I mean -- it&#39;s Star Wars, not high art. It is a space opera, but it is also a mixture of pop culture icons and myths and B-grade serial sensibilities. I think it works best when it is a balance between these two sides, and I think A New Hope is the Star Wars film that best represents that balance. But, when it comes to comparing similar popcorn flicks, subjectivity usually rules the day. There&#39;s a lot of very good points that most Star Wars fans would make for Empire being the best. Temple of Doom, seems kind of funny to me to suggest that it is far superior to the practically flawless Raiders just because it is darker and has Willie Scott. Especially the Willie Scott part. That&#39;s why I think you might be joking, Tardis, but it&#39;s sometimes kind of hard to tell on these TalkBacks. If you&#39;re serious, well, more power to you, I guess. I would have to watch Temple of Doom a couple more times in order to be relatively fair in comparing it to Raiders. But, for right now, there&#39;s no way that it is a masterpiece to me, towering over a film like Raiders of the Lost Ark. And that&#39;s not because I&#39;m an immature kid...I usually have a strong preference for more serious, adult films such as 8 1/2 and The Seventh Seal and 2001: A Space Odyssey. Seems to me that Willie Scott is totally antithetical to that kind of cinematic gravity...but hey, if you like her, you like her.

  • July 18, 2002, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by scorpio2nd

    I agree with you about &#39;Temple&#39; mostly (if my memory serves me that mine car chase has been copied marginally more than the rolling bolder of &#39;Raiders&#39; although i could be wrong). I have to disagree with you about the villian though. Sure, Mola Ram (what does that name mean?) was intimidating appearance wise but i just found him boring most of the time. I do love that line of his to bits though "drop them Dr Jones, they will be found, YOU WON&#39;T", classic.

  • July 18, 2002, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I meant to type "Tardis," not "Tarsis"

    by wasp

    My bad.

  • July 18, 2002, 2:34 p.m. CST

    huh, ok, guys

    by wasp

    Whatever you say. You know, come to think of it, Temple of Doom isn&#39;t necessarily much darker than Raiders of the Lost Ark. The skeleton room...the opening of the Ark... no incessant, childish, high-pitched comic relief... oh well, whatever. I should watch Temple again...but nothing is going to convince me into liking Willie Scott. That scene by the fire with the snake?...UGH. Any other scene in the movie with her? I didn&#39;t realize that there were people who actually liked that character. It&#39;s a big world after all.

  • July 18, 2002, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by TARDIS

    Well written response, and to answer your question... I am serious about Temple and Willie Scott. I&#39;m certainly not claiming Temple "towers" above Raiders, only that it&#39;s better. How much better? Marginally. I would however claim Temple *towers* above Last Crusade, which was little more than a remake of Raiders with Dad thrown in. As for Willie Scott, she may not be as likeable as Marion, and she&#39;s even annoying at times, but keep in mind she was supposed to be annoying. Indy and Short Round were annoyed by her the whole time. I simply feel that Willie Scott was a better character for Indy to play against than Marion. I like the comparison the earlier poster made to the comedies of the 302 and 40s. I think the Willie/Indy relationship fits that screwball comedy formula, and I think it was designed to do so. It&#39;s Speilberg&#39;s version of Cary Grant and Kathrine Hepburn in Bye Bye Birdie... Or Powell/Loy in the Thin Man. Sex comedy without the sex, only the tension.

  • July 18, 2002, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Okay, Tardis

    by wasp

    Thanks. You&#39;ve made things clearer for me. I guess I took it a little too literally when you began your post by saying that Temple of Doom was "by far" the best movie in the Indy trilogy. I see that you meant that more in application to Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade combined since you say that you think Temple is only "marginally" better than Raiders. That&#39;s easier for me to understand even though I personally like Raiders and even Last Crusade a fair bit more than Temple (I acknowledge that Last Crusade is basically a rehash of the popular elements of Raiders with the addition of Sean;s just that I liked those elements so much, it&#39;s a movie I find difficult not to like at least a little bit. Call it a weakness). As for Willie Scott, I realize that she was supposed to be annoying, but that doesn&#39;t make her any less annoying. Really, I don&#39;t understand the point of intentionally annoying characters that play major parts and with whom we are supposed to sympathize. It&#39;s kind of like Jar Jar. I mean, sure, he was supposed to be a kid&#39;s character...but that doesn&#39;t change the fact that he detracted from a lot of scenes for me, and undermined a lot of potential moments for suspense or drama or tension in The Phantom Menace. Like how they directly cut from Qui-Gon getting skewered on Darth Maul&#39;s light saber to Jar Jar&#39;s Buster Keaton-wannabe antics on the battlefield. Bad move. I feel pretty much the same about Willie Scott, except that I like her less than Jar Jar. Like I said, I don&#39;t think she was supposed to be that annoying -- because then how are we supposed to buy that Indiana would develop true affection for her, would want a relationship with that crazy woman? Why should we care what happens to her? But then, those questions don&#39;t matter if you don&#39;t find Willie Scott that annoying. I do find her that annoying, but that&#39;s me.

  • July 18, 2002, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Okay, wasp

    by TARDIS

    We&#39;ll have to agree to disagree on the Willie Scott case. I think there&#39;s a subtle difference between annoying and too annoying that we&#39;ve stumbled upon in our opinions. However, to say that Willie Scott was more annoying than Jar Jar, that&#39;s overstating it a little, I think. Jar Jar was indeed created as a comic relief character, nomatter how unsuccessful that comedy proved to be. Willie Scott wasn&#39;t the Gabby Hayes of Temple, she was a character created for her interaction with Indy. She&#39;s his partner in the comedy, not a Buster Keaton wannabe like Jar Jar. Now, whether the comedy works in the subtle manner it needs to in a predominantly dark film like Temple, is a matter of personal opinion I suppose and we fall on different sides of that fence. Remember the scene where Indy and Short Round are stuck in the room of collapsing spikes and all Willie needs to do to save them is to pull the lever in the hole, but it&#39;s full of bugs and such. She&#39;s hesitating... She&#39;s squealing and being all girly, and Indy peeks through the hole, and delivers the hilarious line: "WE. ARE. GOING. TO DIE." That scene could only work with Willie, and I think it&#39;s brilliant. I guess it&#39;s a matter of taste. Thanks for about the most civil discussion on AICN Talk Backs I&#39;ve ever been a part of.

  • July 18, 2002, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Kate and Indy and all

    by bubcus

    Lots of slams on age and characters but I don&#39;t think this movie will be what people are dreading. Let&#39;s think about this, Willie Scott will be in it, but it doesn&#39;t mean she&#39;ll be a lead. Who knows, it could be just a cameo role where all of Indy&#39;s exes are there at the same place to haunt him. You never know. In any case, sayin&#39; a movie will suck because one person is in it is a tragedy. I think we all let "Hackers" go as a good movie despite a terrible performance by that blonde chick. I think it&#39;ll be a brief appearance and am satisfied with that. Besides, this is a Speilberg and Lucas tag team project... it&#39;ll be fun to see what they can do together... if it&#39;s good, we&#39;re pleased; if it sucks... well, we&#39;ll just stick with the ones we like.

  • July 18, 2002, 5:41 p.m. CST

    If it&#39;s to be the last...

    by Southpaw_Samurai

    I&#39;d say bring back everyone who isn&#39;t dead (in movie timeline or real life). Have Marion come back and maybe even deck Willie (frankly, I don&#39;t mind Kate&#39;s character for anything other than the screaming...if she&#39;s there to play the silly air head otherwise, that&#39;s cool. Just don&#39;t put her into danger). Have Short-Round helping Indy out with some of the physical stuff while taking care of a family (this could give Indy &#39;kids&#39; without committing him to anything...he could play more a grandfather role). Speaking of kids, you, of course, need Sallah. You can have a nice substory about mortality and stuff...with S.R. giving Indy grief for being old, his dad telling him he&#39;s more spry at HIS age, etc. We could have Indy realizing that it&#39;s BOTH the age and the mileage...yet still pull through it.

  • July 18, 2002, 5:54 p.m. CST

    M Night Shakakahn

    by NapoleonWilson

    I cannot believe this hack writer/director has been mentioned again. A couple of years ago it was mooted that he had been approached to write Indy IV. Can you imagine it? Fuck all action and loads of people whispering for two hours. However there can be only baddie for Indy IV .... and that is Pat &#39;Bomber&#39; Roach. I think he&#39;s still alive and if Dracula can beat up a muppet old Pat can kick Harrison Ford&#39;s arse. And the next person to mention Calista &#39;latch onto more famous person&#39; Flockhart is a cnut.

  • July 18, 2002, 6:47 p.m. CST


    by Bunger

    Suckit bitches!!!!

  • July 18, 2002, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by Astaldo

    the facial expressions that went with that line were just precious. also, one of the greatest non-spoken jokes in cinema. Shortround is resting in the bed, and is awakened by the sound of Indy fighting the assassin guy. He lifts his hat, and seeing two figures rolling around he comes to the obvious conclusion and puts his hat back down with a knowing smile. and then he realizes...

  • July 18, 2002, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by AndreGregory

    If Anthony Hopkins can go back and play Hannibal in the "Red Dragon" film, certainly Ford can come back as Indy Jones. Lucas and Spielberg can employ the same age-defying techniques that Hack Brett Ratner will employ on Sir Anthony. But Capshaw must not be in this film. Leave her shrieking ass in the past........

  • July 18, 2002, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Respectfully disagree with TARDIS

    by Sea Bass

    Raiders was the best. The villains weren&#39;t better in TOD. They were mindless zombies. Raiders had Belloq, an interesting villain with personality. And Toht, a gleefully sadistic motherfucker. As for Indy&#39;s turning around, that was done in Raiders too. Indy started out seeing Marion as just another girl he fucked when she was a teenager and a means to get what he wanted more than anything in life. At the end, all he was after was her. Eevrything about Raiders was better than TOD but I do agree that it was a brave departure and much better than Last Crusade.

  • July 18, 2002, 10:56 p.m. CST

    DVDs, short round, and how bad kate capshaw sucks

    by AlecBings

    last i heard (i&#39;m a dvd news junkie) they are gonna release the films in Q4 at the rate of one a year, beginning this Christmas. this is still conceivable, because for the most part the current DVD announcements only reach up to October or so. i forget where i read this, though, and there hasn&#39;t been any more movement on the rumor in months, so it may be completely off. ~~~ RAIDERS is far superior, by the way, to TEMPLE. i don&#39;t really even see any argument between the two. sure, TEMPLE is a great piece of entertainment, a splendid evocation of classic Hollywood. but RAIDERS is all that plus a classic movie in its own right. plus, RAIDERS has marion and TEMPLE has that fucking harpy kate capshaw (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MR SPIELBERG LEAVE HER OUT OF THIS NEXT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) short round, however, is probably the only good "let&#39;s give him a cute kid sidekick in the sequel" character ever. anyway, this new one is gonna rock hard.

  • July 19, 2002, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones DVD&#39;s

    by Mandolorian

    I read somewhere that there will be no more Star Wars films released on DVD until after Episode 3 is released in 2005. I can only hope that the Jones trilogy will not follow suit.

  • July 19, 2002, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Kate Capshaw

    by Mandolorian

    I would have to strongly disagree with bringing the Willie Scott character back in another film. Temple of Doom was by far the weakest of the three, and Capshaw didn&#39;t help. Indie doesn&#39;t need a pathetic female sidekick to save over and over again. All of the characters in the films, from Sallah to Short-round were able to hold their own on a limited basis. The Scott character was useless from the beginning to the end. Also, part of the Indiana Jones charm is his inability to settle down. If they start this film out with Indie and Willie playing house, they will be making a serious mistake. The female lead needs to be challenging to Jones. Marion punched him in the mouth no more than two minutes after seeing him. This franchise is a winner, and the film will no doubt be teriffic. I just hope that they keep that same magic that will make me feel like a kid again. Dr. Henry Jones Sr. better be in it also!!

  • July 19, 2002, 12:43 a.m. CST

    he is the perfect age for

    by lyonbane

    Jack Ryan, i was so ticked after the slaughter called Sum of All Fears. The book rocked the movie was the worse thing i have ever seen, not even the same time line as the book. Harrison Ford will always be Han, Indy and Jack Ryan for me. He need to make another Clancy book....but this time follow the damn book not just take parts you want to use. I know we will never see Clancys last 3 books after Sept 11th...damn it. But seeing Jack Ryan becomming the president would just rock.

  • July 19, 2002, 9:17 a.m. CST

    "The Phantom" was on last night. Anybody see why I want Billy Za

    by screenplaywriter

    Watch the film he&#39;s pulling off stuff Indy could do, he&#39;s kicking ass like Indy could do, he&#39;s firing guns like Indy could do, he rides in on a horse and stops bad guys like Indy could do, and he kicks Treat Williams scrawny ass in the end. That&#39;s why I think he would be a perfect part for the brother, only he&#39;s the opposite of his "Phantom" character, but still managing to pull off stunts and raise hell in the process.

  • July 19, 2002, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Fanboys, Ford looks better than men half his age and you know it

    by Spacesheik

    I don&#39;t want to see some Indiana Jones retorting "i&#39;m too old for this shit" a la Danny Glover and Mel Gibson in LETHAL WEAPON 4. I want to see a tough, kick-ass, Indiana Jones. Even though Ford will be 63 by the time the movie is made, he&#39;ll be playing, at most, late 40s (if the film is set in the 50s), so its not big deal. One of the reasons the LETHAL WEAPON 4 film was not fondly received by fans was because it was lightweight, featuring an agreable, predictable family man (Gibson) - the lethal weapon in the film was Jet Li, not Gibson - had Gibson continued to play the fucked up, mad as a hatter psycopathic cop who went nuts, the film would have made 250 million instead of 100 or so. Note to producers of the film: bring back the mean Indiana Jones of the Lost Ark, not the one who got slapped by his dad in CRUSADE and just ran behind him like a Mario brother attempting to shield his dad, amidst the campy action scenes. If Connery is back, I hope he does not accompany Indy on this adventures. I am not interested in seeing another Abbot and Costello routine by those two. But if the stakes are high, maybe a return of the lost ark and its destructive power, and Indy is working solo, without a son sidekick or a dad or some whinny chick like Capshaw, I&#39;ll go see it. Ante up the supernatural stuff and the action and I&#39;ll be there. I still remember the scene the ark was opened - scared the shit out of me in 1981.

  • July 19, 2002, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Edited fight scene with Pat &#39;bomber&#39; Roach and Ford in C

    by Spacesheik

    There is a scene where Ford and Connery are discovered on the Zeppelin by the Nazis in CRUSADE - Ford decks a guy who falls aoverboard. The next scene if memory serves right, is of Indy and dad boarding the the biplane and flying away from the Zeppelin which it was attached to. Then there is a closeup of Indy and dad, and if you look closely at Indy he looks bruised, with a bloody lip. Apparently, there was a scene featuring a knuckle fight betweed Ford and Pat &#39;Bomber&#39; Roach (as a Nazi that for some reason got edited out of the film.

  • July 19, 2002, 7:15 p.m. CST

    The Temple Of Doom & why I love it

    by criminy

    "Temple of Doom" is also my fave Indy installment (and "A New Hope" is my fave Star Wars episode). I too get this cool vibe of Indy fighting Satan himself (evil of a metaphysical nature) rather than a bunch of German guys and I find this to be immensely satisfying. I also like the screwball comedy back&#39;n&#39;forth between him and Willy (& feel that those who hate Capshaw personally are projecting since this character was written to be annoying). And I like the kid sidekick, what kid (as I was at the time) doesn&#39;t? Some of the set pieces were simply amazing (feast in the banquest hall, minecart chase) and the locales were nice and exotic. Most of all I liked that Indy didn&#39;t end up having to be saved by GOD or some such other ludicrous plot device as in "The Holy Grail" and "Raiders". (No offence meant to the religious) C&#39;mon, Indy and Marion are tied to this stake, looks like things are over for them, they close their eyes and when they open them again "God" has taken care of everything. Talk about deus ex machina! What kind of ending is that? Or has everyone else forgotten? *** Anyway, Ford *is* too old and I am extremely skeptical about this. I disagree with the poster above who said that age had nothing to do it. Okay, so Jones is an professor of archeology and they are hardly known for their superhero-like physiques but did you see some of the stuff he was doing? With the whip, hand to hand fights with bad guys, jumping off ledges, being irresistable to women and so forth? Naaah, the guy looks too old now, I couldn&#39;t suspend my disbelief for one second. Someone mentioned Christopher Lee in AOTC- I think his head was digitally superimposed on a stuntman&#39;s body for the lightsabre duel.*** I for one, am perfectly satisfied with "The Mummy" franchise & "The Tomb Raider" franchise to get my fix of these type of antics. Let go people!

  • July 19, 2002, 7:20 p.m. CST

    But if there must be a 4th Indy...

    by criminy

    ...I think that Christian Bale would do a mavellous job ;)