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STAR WARS EPISODE 3 TidBits!
Hey folks, Harry here with a few tidbits from a spy in the land down under. Seems like a few tiny tidbits here and there, but figured you'd like to hear. Looks like Lucas' co-writer is back. Now here's the rest...
EPISODE 3 TID-BITS!
Hi Harry! Crafty Spoiler here and as this is my first post, I would like to share with you some interesting tid-bits about STAR WARS: EPISODE 3!!!
- I currently work at Fox Studios in Australia. A few days ago, 2 representatives from Lucasfilm, production crew and location scouts were talking about possible plans for Episode 3 at Fox Studios, I was in the area at the time and here are some small tid-bits!
Lucas has been writing the final chapter since January and shooting is scheduled to start in July 2003 - Johnathon Hales has been confirmed as co-writer once again.
Daniel Logan's Agent has been told to keep July-August of 2003 clear!
Mountains and Caves around Australia have been touted as possible locations for the movie.
Robin Gurland met with Christopher Eccelson (spelling?) Robert Carlyle and Samantha Morton at the aftershow party of the premier of both clones and Minority Report in London.
Hayden Christensen will wear the vader suit - not some other actor and Hayden will be present in the movie around 90%.
CGI yoda will return!
The Kamino Stage from Clones, including the model Slave 1 are still standing - sparking rumours the planet will make a return in episode 3.
MAY THE FORCE BE WITHY Y'ALL!
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Attack of the Clones has thoroughly enhanced my viewings of episodes 4, 5 and especially 6. This is gonna be great!
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happiness is a dark helmet
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Dave Prowse can barely walk.At C2
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Yeah, that's going to look realy imposing, George. HC's skinny little adolescent body with a big fucking shiny plastic head. It's funny though, I read this morning that Prowse was going to be filling the suit. I hope so, as I'm sure Episode 3 will be quite bad enough without the absurd site of Hayden Christensen in a Vader costume.
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David Prowse, that is! I thought he was getting back into shape again for the role of Vader. After all, he's nearly the same age as Christopher Lee who was made to look very spry via FX and doubles.
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David Prowse went on record saying he wanted to and would be offended or some such if he were not chosen to.. but he never went on record saying George was giving in to his request :) And I am sure the Vader suit will be done well enough that the wirey Hayden Christensen will not look as wirey in it.
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Yeah, there was an interview a short while back with David Prowse (this site??). He said after his operation, he'll be working out to try and get into shape for the Vader role. Nobody points their finger as menacingly as David Prowse!
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I thought Prowse's fight double was the same old, skinny swordsman who worked with Errol Flynn and doubled for Sean Connery in Highlander's castle fight?
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I told myself that I wouldn?t read anything on EP3, but I just can?t help it!
Did anyone else try and avoid spoilers for Ep2? The next film could be the last, and hopefully full of suprises, GOD! What am I doing?
Who?s with me?
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First off - John Stossel is an idiot, but I have to steal his line, 'Gimme a break!' -There seem to be nay-sayers coming out of the woodwork to complain about Hayden donning the Vader suit for Episode III - The Fall of the Jedi (my personal opinion of what the last chapter should be called). -Skinny? Wire-y? Sure, he might not be a 63 year old, out of shape, out of work actor, but I think he'll fill in the suit quite nicely. It's absurd to think that we'll be seeing a q-tip walking around with Vader's helmet precariously placed on top, wobbling to and fro. -It amazes me that people wouldn't want Hayden himself in the suit. It doesn't make sense to have anyone else in it. I seem to remember everyone disliking the idea of Toby Maguire in a skin tight Spiderman leotard, and yet people generally loved the movie and didn't complain about Toby's physique all that much. -I think we all need to be a lot less hasty before judging anything. Why don't we wait until we either catch a glimpse of Hayden in the suit in a set photo, or if we have to wait until the film comes to catch our first glimpse, judge the aesthetics then. -All this preamble is pointless. I'm sure we'll all love Hayden as Vader, but until we know for sure, let's allow Lucas some space to do it right. Give him a break! ^_^
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Jul 15, 2002 2:48:24 AM CDT
Isn't Dave Prowse supposed to be a notorious blabbermouth wh
by scorpio2nd
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Okay,Darth Vader is really tall,I saw the costume at the art of star wars exhibition,it was REALLY impressive.Hayden IS NOT that tall.Does Obi Wan,in their battle,chop his legs off?
"He's more machine now,twisted and EVIEEEEEL"
AND I agree with schvre[?] attack has added to my enjoyment of the classic 3,and I REALLY WANT TO SEE THE MILLENIUM FALCON DO ITS SHIT IN EPISODE 3 AND I DONT CARE ABOUT ANY CONTINUITY[istnt lucas's universe rarther small?] -
--"The Sinister Hand of Doom." O.K., I origionally got that from "Futureguy," but I confirmed it after the Professor let me borrow the keys to a certain DeLorean. Oh, and how long do you think it'll be before Custer posts in here about how Ep. 2 supposidly "sucked" and it raped his childhood and etc. Blah. Toppu o Nerae!
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Just for the record, Hayden is over 6 feet tall (although not as tall as Prowse, but he can wear lifts, can't he?), and when Episode 3 starts filming, he'll be 22 years old (not an adolescent). Besides, David Prowse is a racist asshole. Mark Hamill's voice WAS heard in the movie, and he couldn't get shit for parts afterwards, either.
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Without that VOICE there is no Darth Vader. It was a brilliant masterful casting idea so George you had better keep your word to JEJ and let him do those deep baritone voiceovers for the very end of this trilogy or so help me I'll join JEJ and help him beat the crap out of you. I mean it George don't piss off the great James Earl Jones! You can piss me off like you did with Episode One but don't piss off JEJ!
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It's pretty much confirmed now that Vader kills Jar Jar in 3. Trust me.
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okay so hayden is 6 ft tall,BUT it would be cool if Obi copped his legs off.[and good that vader/anakin kills jar jar]
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I don't realy care if the put him in it, or Hayden. As long as James Earl Jones takes the lead. That voice is sooo cool! Too bad you can't put the letters on this forum in bold, James Earl Jones. Give the name a little justice.
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Jul 15, 2002 4:37:40 AM CDT
STAR WARS films are merely eye candy sequels, they are NOT EVENT
by spacesheik
I liked Episode II. It was a much better movie than the THE PHANTOM BORE, but that's not saying much. I thought CLONES had some great special effects, but it seemed like a derivative film, the FIFTH ELEMENT ike chase, the GLADIATOR colisseum finale etc. I thought major opportunities for dramatic ooportunity were blown, in particularly the much too tame and brief Annakin slaughter of the Tuscans - his character seemed whiny and confused throughout the film, he didn't seem like someone who had the potential to join the dark force easily - the love story was alright, at least it wasn't long. I liked the Obi Wan scenes but even those seemed truncated - we never really saw him unleash his power, he gets captured much too easily in the end. I liked Christopher Lee and I liked the Yoda aspect, although frankly, 20 seconds of Yoda fighting do not a movie make. I loved the Django and Bobba Fett scenes but Django was SPOILER ALERT offed too easily, as easily as Bobba was offed in JEDI. But there's something routine about the Star Wars films now, down to their shag red carpet in the interior scenes in Coruscant and their quaint little 50s-like diners; they are not EVENT films anymore. And they are losing audience. If PHANTOM, driven by 16 years of fan fervor, catapulted to 416 million or so, even though it sucked, and ATTACK will top out at 300 million, the next one, no matter how dark, action packed, tragic or bold, will prolly sputter to $250 million. The event film this summer was SPIDERMAN not CLONES. I think George Lucas cannot recuperate from THE PHANTOM fiasco. For him to have been able to erase that, he would have had to make a sequel as good as EMPIRE, and AOTC, as entertaining as it was, was no EMPIRE. I think the new Star Wars films have major problems with the characters, the Obi Wan, Annakin, Amidala characters are not as charismatic or fun as the Han Solo, Leia and Luke trio. Jar Jar is no Chewbacca and Darth Maul is no Lando Calrissian either - these are badly written characters and the acting, with Ewan McGRegor's exception, is substandard. These characters will be forgotten 10 years from now, unlike those those in the original Star Wars trilogy. Lots of eye candy, these new films have, but they're lightweight and do not seem like part of the Star Wars universe. Episode III will be given a 50s serial-like name and prolly be darker in nature and less commercial than its predecessors, but by then its too little too late. This new trilogy started badly and there really is no way it can recover. Even the settings, Naboo, Coruscant, Kamino - are tedious to watch.
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"Mace Windu is no Lando Calrissian either", is what i meant to say.
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Aren't the events of this film pretty much a foregone conclusion? Anyone who frequents this site can tell you what happens in Episode III. That's going to be one of George's big challenges, the other being how to pull out any kind of satisfying ending in what must constitute a complete and total downer. Our hero has turned evil, the good guys are being hunted down and slaughtered, and terror troops are marching across the galaxy, and...CUE THE FANFARE!
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It was pathetic enough when he bitched that it wasn't his face that was revealed in "Return of the Jedi". This is just ridiculous. He was just a big guy hired to wear a suit. I don't see Frank Oz bellyaching that his hand isn't up Yoda's ass anymore, and his performance actually mattered. It's like seeing the guy who originally wore the Godzilla suit come back and complain that some other guy is dressed like a lizard now. I'm sure we're all much more concerned with James Earl Jones making a comeback than the ape who made the suit walk, and I really don't see that Lucas owes him anything.
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Yeah,CHOP OFF HIS OTHER ARM,HIS LEGS,NOB/LOWER TORSO,THE REST OF THE OTHER ARM AND THEN SAUTE IN BOILING LAVA FOR A COUPLE OF MINS.
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ha...aha-hah...hah-hah ha he hehe-hee.
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Jul 15, 2002 6:08:47 AM CDT
Episode III: Instruments of Darkness.....oh and Carlyle has got
by monkey_king
That title and cast choice seem so right, don'tcha think?
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It's STAR WARS! George Lucas could dance around naked with Jar Jar and people would still go because it's STAR WARS!!!
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Maybe Lucas actually wants to make some money this time. Clones box office is a full third less than Menace, falling off an average of 50% a week. It will be lucky to crack the 300 mil mark on its first run. Short change left after production and marketing. Be sure; Star Wars is NOT the pull is used to be.
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ok,that's 300 mil us domestic take,but does anyone know world wide gross,especially as it was released virtually simultanously[?]and how does that compare to tpm?
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is currently $250 mil, giving it a combined total of $543 mil. Only major remaining market is Japan, where it is expected to pull in $100 mil. So say $650 mil total run. Phantom Menace pulled in $930 mil, LOTR $855. Not a bad take overall, but pretty poor for the worlds most established franchise.
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Not that it makes any difference to the coolness of any particular movie... This is a cool site. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/
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Ok.... SW episodeIII.... in LEGO form. If he could pull it off.
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Yeah sure, Digital looks great. I just finished shooting a movie on Digital myself. But I'd honestly kiss Lucas right on the freckel if it meant getting all the left over stock from epiosde 1. Does this mean anything? Film is not dead. Not yet anyways.
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i really hope they do put robert carlyle in it. he's one of our best british actors and it would be great to see him with his fellow scot ewan.
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I wish I could steer clear of these rumor sites and scoop articles, but I simply cannot. Star Wars has become a much more complex and interesting universe in my minds' eye and will remain so. Hey Gingertwat! Redhead?
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Yeah, I read that too, where David Prowse said that his fans would probably boycott Episode III if he wasn't cast again as Vader. Weird. He really doesn't realize that he was cast for his size and nothing else?? Kind of sad. I mean, him and Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca) are like the "Johnny Bravos" of Star Wars. Brady Bunch fans will get that reference. You guys do realize that Prowse isn't the only one to wear that costume in those movies, right? I mean, he did have stunt doubles and such. And what's wrong with Hayden wearing the costume? Did you guys notice how he towered over Ewan Macgregor? And as far as his physique not matching Prowse's, so what? He's playing a younger version of that character. He shouldn't be exactly the same physically. I'm in total agreement though, that James Earl Jones HAS to come back as Vader's voice. And has already said in an interview that him and Lucas have spoken about it.
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The new trilogy of SW pictures have been so underhwelming, have displayed such contmept for the legends so skillfully set up in the first three pictures that I'm not looking at all forward to Ep #3.
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Vader to Kenobi: "Come back, you coward! It's only a flesh wound!" Cobra out.
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I was going to try to go spoiler free for this movie...I don't know if I can do it! Yikes, and we've got nearly three years to go!
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Jul 15, 2002 10:30:57 AM CDT
Digesting these tidbits is like FEEDING SCARVES TO HULK DOGS!
by sith witch
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Hear, hear skull_kid! Why would you have a mid-sixties aged bloke play a thrirty year old sword-fighting butcher? You wouldn't! You're so correct about the over-analyzing of film productions. Who cares? They're big cartoons, big imagination time, big make-believes. If George wants HC to look like Darth (and be consistent with the last three tales) then it will happen. Hayden was made out to be fairly tall in AOTC; 'sides, he's gonna have some sith sized platform shoes to work with. At the end of the day though, George is making kids mythology pictures, and they don't worry about this shit they way that we emotionally-crippled adult men do.
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...GOOD GOD, WHY NOT JUST GET RICK MORANIS FOR FRICKIN' CRYING OUT LOUD??
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...was (if I recall correctly) first mentioned in one of the first Star Wars novels published after the first movie was released, "Splinter of the Mind's Eye", 'by' George Lucas 'with' Alan Dean Foster. The book was passable, but the concepts in it (like the development of a romance between Luke and Leia) were abandoned when Lucas re-thought his plotlines while planning the first sequels.
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Spider-Man was like seeing a movie, a terribly written movie, but a movie nonetheless. Btw, 'going to church' is not an exciting thing, just something we do out of habit to pay respects to something that happened years ago.
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I mean, really?
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Have the Clone War fully erupt, and put the Jedi on the run. They make a last stand on a secluded planet, waiting for help from Obi-Wan and Anakin, which never arrives. Call it EPISODE III: THE HIDDEN FORTRESS. You have a great serial name, plus an homage to where the films came from in the first place.
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Follow The real Custer and you will be given forgiveness from God. Go to this web site: http://www.geocities.com/forestthegimp/ Go here and you shall be rewarded by the GREAT GENERAL.
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"The Rise of the Empire" Seems appropiate enough.
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Those movies are pinacles of lazy filmmaking and this Episode 3 will be NO different. BOYCOTT STAR WARS.
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The whole Vader/Anakin vs. Obi-Won volcano thing is not a rumor. In the novel for Return of the Jedi Obi-Won tells Luke this right after Yoda dies. The dialouge is a few lines longer than in the movie. So, it's not a rumor, it's fact. Of course there's no guarantee that Lucas will stick to this since it wasn't in the movie, but I have a feeling he had major input into the novels based on the movies. I don't consider these part of the expanded universe. I think the five actual movie novels were written from Lucas' own notes.
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let's hear other names
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In star wars david prowse spoke all the dialogue and didn't know he was going to be dubbed over, until later. He's also the personal assistant with glasses who lives with the old man in a clockwork orange.
I like the idea that anakin gets his legs lobbed off in ep3. THat would be a good excuse for vader's hight. WIth camera angles and other film trickology they could probably make christian H look the same as classic vader. -
In star wars david prowse spoke all the dialogue and didn't know he was going to be dubbed over, until later. He's also the personal assistant with glasses who lives with the old man in a clockwork orange.
I like the idea that anakin gets his legs lobbed off in ep3. THat would be a good excuse for vader's hight. WIth camera angles and other film trickology they could probably make christian H look the same as classic vader. -
That's still the best name, except that only 100,000 people thought of it at once. Wouldn't it be cool if EPISODE III ended, and then there was a trailer for EPISODE FOUR? Yes, I was the guy who sat through 5 minutes of PHANTOM MENACE credits just to hear Vader breathing. By the way, I'm working on my own script for EPISODE III. I'm casting Gary Oldman as Tarkin.
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thanks for lava info,I guess from your imfomation that the final confrontation will take place in a lava cave,it would certainly explain vaders breathing problem[seared lungs]vicks vapour rub anybody?
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Whoever plays Tarkin should look gaunt, with high cheekbones. I don't think Robert Carlyle qualifies, and besides, I thought his semi-villain role in THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH was sucky.
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Don't forget that Prowse played bodyguard for the rockstar in the BBC's Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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Jul 15, 2002 2:34:22 PM CDT
well, after Attack of the Cornholes... (spoilers for uninitiated
by the killer-goat
I still don't have a definitive grasp on how the EP2 title applies or leads into the 3rd. Yes, there was a battle with Federation droids and Clone troopers, and (tiredly) I concede that the Clones "attacked" the planet first to a) supress an uprising and b) rescue our daring trio, but it's all based on the assumption that 'Count Dooku's Secret Society' was going to 'attack' first. If anything, it was more of an Intervention by the Clones, or Encroachment of the Clones, or even Interception by the Clones. But if the Clones didn't attack the protagonists (notice I didn't say "good guys" since there's a few mixed angles there), how was it an "Attack" in terms of the protagonist perspective? I mean, it doesn't sound so dreadful or foreboding if you take it at face value and realize that the Clones saved the main characters in the end. Maybe it's all part of some 'sympathy for the devil' theme in the 3rd film or something. You know, like "when is a good guy not a good guy, but actually a bad guy"? When he's manipulated yadda yadda...
Oh, I'm sure this one's been analyzed to death, it's just that the original series had very decisive titles: SW "this is a war among stars, between star systems. see the battle? get it?", or ESB "here is the Empire, they are striking back. take that, Rebellion", or even ROTJ "the Jedi (Luke) has returned to fight again, also signifying a return of 'Jedi' to the galaxy. yay." I'll try out Phantom Menace for laughs: "there is a spooky menace... or isn't there?" and now "the clones attack. the jedi attack. hell, everybody attacks! yay, it's a war!" but again, so ambiguous. Maybe Lucas is doing it to keep all the longterm fans guessing or more interested, I don't know. But initially it all seems too wishy-washy and oblique since we already know full well who to root for. Maybe I already answered my own questions but after this long and seeing the film twice, AOTC still sounds like a bad title, even compared to Phantom Menace. Which is ironically a shame, considering how great AOTC was to watch. -
.....ah i really don't know but It should have a link to Episode 4:A New Hope, so maybe Episode 3: The Last Hope or sumthing you know what i mean and It would kickass if they made one simular title but obvisly better,also the Hayden in vader suite it ca work its not like the suite is tight rubber is plastic but I would really like to know why everyone thinks that Anakin and Obi-wan duke it out in a valcano/cave?????WHERE DID THAT RUMOR START SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME!!!
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You are so right, AOTC was a BAD BAD MOVIE. I haven't actually seen it because I'm boycotting Star Wars, but I KNOW that it is shit. I salute you and I hope you join my boycott. AOTC SUCKZ
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J rex mentioned the novella but you can get even more info from reading packages to a few figures. The 12" vader released in the early 90's confirms the battle between Obi-wan and anakin near lava. It also states Anakin falls in and is disfigured. Next look at the first 4" obi wan figure of the 90's it has even more info. It states that Anakin Joins Palpatine becomes Vader and begins killing off Jedi.Then Obi-wan feels responsible and hunts down Anakin and faces him. There is a bit more info but I don't have the figure's in front of me. If Lucas does not change any of this it should mean Anakin will become Darth Vader early in the film (probably by Killing Dooku for Sidious) then spend the rest of film killing Jedi but not wearing the Vader helmet till the end after the fight with Obi-wan. This is probably for the best since I feel The fighting style Vader exibits in the original films would be less exciting than an acrobatic Vader. I also asume Boba Fette will have a hand in Killing some Jedi for Sidious especially Mace Winduu. this would help explain the relationship the two had in Empire when Boba Fette spoke to Vader as an equal and without fear actually argueing with him about the fate of Solo. As far as this news story this may well be confirming Anakin as vader most of film with no helmet but a similar Darth suit for rest of body. Then toward end of film a short appearance by another taller actor in suit or even Hayden manipulated to look taller with some dialogue by James earl Jones of course. I sure don't think Lucas would be saying Hayden wil be in 90% of movie if he was wearing mask with James earl Jones voice dubbed over him most of time. Thats a fairly poor appearance IMHO (sorry Prowse. My hope is that we find out where Sidious came from. Perhaps it will be revealed he is the last surviving sith & has not been seen for a thousand years (before yoda's time. I also would like to know if Anakin really has no father and is a Midichlorian baby, LOL.
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well. what can be said about that tidbit. its safe to assume that Episode III will focus soley on anakin. i like this. hayden in the suit...hmm. i'm just not sure. i read a STAR WARS comic book the other day which featured a jedi battling a young darth vader and vader was drawn much smaller than he is in the films. he WAS skinny and tall..and extremely athletic. to me, he looked less menacing than when he was older. but maybe thats just it...maybe he isn't as big yet b/c he's still young. as for him being more machine than man...i always got the impression that anakin became cybernetic over time. i don't think one battle with obi-wan should mess him up to bad. i also don't believe we should see a fight on a lava planet where only anakin's head survives. that is cheesy. i do want to see anakin kill mace though. in a huge battle like never before seen in STAR WARS and then he fights the entire jedi council and defeats them...including yoda...but obi-wan comes in and saves his life...then old ben and ani lay it down for about 30 min's. ah, just me dreaming. but i trust lucas on this whole thing. he has satisfied me so far. the last time i posted about STAR WARS i was bitching about the fact that it wouldn't make $300 million and now its at $294 so i guess i bitched for nothing. as for those darned folks who seem to think box office means better, FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING and HARRY POTTER were first installments. so was SPIDER-MAN for that matter. lets see if THE TWO TOWERS and HARRY POTTER 2 outgross ATTACK OF THE CLONES. don't get me wrong, i liked all of them and i'll be in line for TTT and HP2 but jeez, there're no STAR WARS!
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Christopher EcclesTon. Right up there with the best actors on the planet. Doubt he will go near this though. I hear he was pretty p*ssed off with the whole Hollywood thing after appearing in the sh*t that was "Gone In 60 Seconds".
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For a Star Wars film. I predicted that although AOTC would be crap (still haven't seen it) it would take $1.3 billion. So because my estimation wasn't met it was a flop and I STOLE $600m from Lucas's pocket. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I am A LEGEND. Boycott Star Wars.
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Thanks for the invite but I liked AOTC well enough, I just thought *some* of it was sloppy and overly- cryptic.
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THAT MEANS SUCKED. Stop slobbing over George Lucas's penis and start living. Rebel against Star Wars and bring down ILM. Hehehehehehehehehe.
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Why, why, why won't George get somebody decent to help with this script? The dialouge in Episode 2 was worse than Episode 1, so this announcement about Hales returning doesn't help my optimism one bit. The only reason Empire Strikes Back was accepted so widely as cinematic masterpiece was because of Lawrence Kasdan's AWESOME screenplay. Without a good script Episode III will end up just as soulless as Episode's I and II. Somebody needs to punch Lucas in the head or else we'll never get another Star Wars movie that'll make us proud.
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I was really hoping that Lucas would keep the Darth suit out of Episode III for one very important reason: Instead of being the "OHMYGOD!" moment of the OT, "Luke, I am your father" is reduced to a "Duh! Get a clue Skywalker." moment instead. Sure - we all know this going in, but legions of people - my son as an example - will first sample Star Wars as a full six parter. If in 3 we learn that a) Anakin is Vader and b) his kids are Luke and Leia - then really all of the surprises are gone and the OT is just about a big family squabble and some Ewoks. The true ending of Episode 3 should be Anakin slipping below the lava or whatever, a pregnant Padme crying over the loss and betrayal, and Obi-wan and Yoda defeated and heading for exile. Fade to black. The OT answers all of the questions that raises quite well without some stupid "Anakin puts on the helmet" scene.
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Err...i'm from the UK and i'm pretty sure
a)David Prowse is too old now to do any 'action'
b)has arthritis anyway...
Anyway i personally thought the lightsabre duel between Obi Wan vs Dooku and Anakin vs Dooku were shite compared to Obi Wan vs Maul. Now that fight was crackling with energy while no disrespect to Christopher Lee he should have been replaced with a stunt double to produce a more energetic fight scene. -
Guys i'm thinking the title for Episode III will most likely be "Fall of the Jedi"...cuz how can there be a 'Return' of the Jedi if there was no fall? What do u guys think? And i'm hoping we see some kick-ass Episode III teasers with Vader's helmet and his breathing sound...that's such a powerful phychological theme incorporated in Star Wars....they have to stupid not to tap into that!
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Sorry for posting back so soon....but i totally agree with Damitol - they should show Anikin fall into that lava pit, fade to black, and then show Sidious rescuing someone saying "Rise my young apprentice" (we'll i know it's gonna be pretty obvious who he's helping....but not as blatant as some Anakin putting on the helmet scene). But there is a small problem with this though, all the scenes where Anikin actually turns into Vader are prob. some of the most imagined sequences by the masses in film history - every Star Wars fan out there has imagined in his or her mind how Anikin actually turns to the dark side and this will be a chance for many out there (myself included) to compare our visions of an event with that of millions of others and Lucas himself (have hope guys, Episode II was awesome and III will be the best). So do we cash in on this awesome sequence that everyone has imagined and held their breaths for so long or do we protect that priceless line "Luke I'm ur father" for future generations? I'm guessing the reality might end up somewhere in between...and only Lucas can decide how it turns out. And what's up with talk of POSSIBLE SPOILER - Qui-Gon working with Sidious on some level contibuting to the fall of the Jedi (albeit unwantedly...cuz of corruption in the senate thing...) - maybe that could be the shocking moment for the new trilogy?
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In the original trilogy, Obi-Wan knows perfectly well that Anakin became Vader, which he wouldn't if Anakin were assumed dead. Besides, I think you're really in the minority. Most of us die-hard Star Wars fans need that scene; I've been waiting a long time to see Darth Vader show up, and I'd feel severely cheated if your version popped up. I want to see the Empire in full flower at the end of this film, and that includes Darth Vader hunting down Jedi. Live with it.
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Jul 15, 2002 4:44:13 PM CDT
damitol, I truly agree, it would've been a good surprise,
by the killer-goat
if they'd left at Anakin presumed dead somewhere with the introduction of this eerie 'Darth Vader' at the end (following a long line of mysterious and disposable apprentices), who everyone may SUSPECT but never have confirmed until ESB.
Banana, regarding Dooku's style, I think you may want to give him more credit due to his age. I agree that Obi/Maul fight was much more fun and active in TPM, but Dooku looked a very deadly and refined fencing duelist, with every. single. movement. way predefined for each opponent's attack. Yoda seemed like he HAD to move that fast to make up for his diminutive size, since he hadn't the reach that Dooku did. Like that old WB cartoon gag of the tall guy spinning in a circle, hitting the little guy on the head repeatedly, as the little guy runs around like crazy, jabbing him in the stomach. Yes, I use that reference for a reason, I felt it could have looked better. But Dooku seemed very much in control in the fight with Obi and Ani, so I accept his slow, 'tai chi'(sp) sabre style. There are reasons martial arts masters can make things look so easy or simple. -
Note that "Return of the Jedi" was not a single-level title for Episode 6. In terms of the entire 6-episode saga, the "Jedi" refers generally to Anakin/Vader, not Luke, or to the organization as a whole (the fun of singular and plural forms being the same). The first three episodes are generally about the descent of the Jedi organization, the order they maintain, and the Skywalker family. The second trilogy is generally about the return to order, the redemption of the Skywalker family, and, presumably albeit not explicitly, the return of the Jedi organization eventually. All of which leads to the fact that the third episode's title should in some way refer to "The Jedi" and its/his descent.
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...you sure do spend what seems every free moment of your life on the internet talking about it. Perhaps you might look into the acquisition of A LIFE? Sad sad little man you are, Custer. Though I did read in your talkback somewhere else that you can't see Perdition until your mommy and daddy take you, because you're still a little kid. And that explains...soooooo much.
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You guys love, love, love George Lucas but you can't even throw ol' David Prowse a bone. Geez louiz. He did a great job, at least I've never seen criticism of Darth Vader's body movements until today. Oh and y'all forgot to point out Prowse was a Minotaur on Dr. Who. No, not that Tom Baker one with the alien minotaurs. I'm talking about the one with Jon Pertwee and a time-wielding creature named Chronos. To cap off his career, didn't Prowse help Christopher Reeve get into shape for the Superman movies? Oh well, way things are going, Reeve'll be giving Prowse wheelchair pointers.
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but he has "the force" and could gain the knowledge down the road (just before ANH, perhaps?), while the audience could play with the suspicions instead of outright being told so. As Damitol stated, it would serve both older viewers and newer ones in respective fashion, and even the ones to come, who might start from Ep1 instead.
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in that context it likely fits the bill for both Anakin AND Luke. They both have equal reasons that parallel only at the end. Consider that for awhile the title "Revenge of the Jedi" was tossed around. Who's Revenge? Luke's or Anakins? Does that imply Anakin was aware of his evildoings under Palpatine? I assumed Luke was the one wanting Revenge, but it was changed for whatever reason, in the best interest of implying that Luke ended up wanting to convert his father instead of killing him. Then that agenda changed to killing him, then Vader did it on his own anyway. It seems a little too pat, since the second trilogy follows Luke's battle and suffering, when Anakin/Vader has his great revelation only at the end. Not arguing, just trying to tie the title with the series' perspective.
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Jul 15, 2002 5:16:41 PM CDT
How to maintain the surprise in Empire for your kids, PLUS a sta
by vegas
To maintain the surprise of Darth being Luke's father, simply do what I am going to do with my kids: show them Episodes 4-6 FIRST. Then, if they like them, show Episodes 1-3. As for Custer's "babycot," according to the latest estimates from www.boxofficemojo.com, he has successfully stalled the gross of AOTC at $293,815,000.00 instead of $293,815,007.50. Congratulations Custer, you sad simpering little fool. Hope your mommy and daddy take you to see Road to Perdition, but if they don't, you can always just say that it sucked without seeing it. Fucker...
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It was a good read, I like how you changed the ending from them fighting in lava to fighting at a jedi-temple one small thing, wheres the teenage bobba fett? if i was writing a script summary i would of had him working for count dooku and some how work it in so him and darth vader/anakin work together give them a backstory,rember ESB how bobba actually argued with Darth Vader,no one argues with vader except Bobba Fett who is the bad-ass of Star Wars. So have them work together on sumthing and some how get it so he kills sum jedi and he and Windu have a dope-ass show down,not sum easily dismissed thing like Jango gets in AOTC and Bobba gets in ROTJ. Thats just my ideas though
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>>Maybe Lucas actually wants to make some money this time. Clones box office is a full third less than Menace, falling off an average of 50% a week. It will be lucky to crack the 300 mil mark on its first run. Short change left after production and marketing. Be sure; Star Wars is NOT the pull is used to be<<
Actually, AOTC box office drops were in the vicinty of 35% most weeks, and 40% a couple of others. This weekend, after losing many theaters, it dropped 48% but still had a decent per screen average. 300 Million dollars is what Lucas expected this film to make, and it has performed better than any other sequel in history, with the exception of ROTJ(with several re-releases) and TPM, and is the 13th highest grossing domestic film of all time. It's within shouting distance of the 312 million that LOTR made, and that was the first film in the series, not the fifth. Are we going to say that LOTR wasn't a box office draw?
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I've not read "Splinter in the Mind's Eye" so I can't verify that it is the first appearance of the Obi-Wan / Vader Lava Fight but I do remember that after Star Wars (ep 4) came out, there as a comic strip in the newspaper that had some odd stuff in it. I can't remember now if it was a prequel or a sequel or a "continuing adventures of Han, Luke and Leia" type thing. A friend of mine saved them and hopefully still has them someplace. It's possible that the lava story is from that. I also seem to remember Lucas saying in an interview that Obi-Wan had fought with Vader in or near a lava pit and that Vader had fallen in and nearly died. Lucas talked a lot about the films back then. He gave out random bits of information and then changed his mind later when it came time to write the sequels. Also, I remember seeing not too long ago on the Coming Attractions website (http://corona.bc.ca/films/filmlistingsFramed.html) they had posted some conceptual art of Darth Vader's Fortress... surrounded by lava.
I'll go see Ep 3 on opening night. I enjoyed TPM and AOTC. They're both flawed in various upsetting ways and I think I might just have my daughter watch the films in the same order I saw them. It really depends on 3. 3 will be the hinge of the saga and it had really better be good. I'm also holding out for Non-Special Edition Original Trilogy DVDs. I would gladly collect the OT, SE OT and whatever strange new version of the OT with Jar Jar superimposed everywhere that Lucas will be putting out on 2006. -
Star Wars is dead. i'm sorry, kids, it's dead. it used to feel like something special. it used to have emotion and charm and tension and excitement. now it is a video-game for neglected suburban kids with ADD. it's bad. really bad. the characters are bland and lifeless and boring. and no amount of supercool action sequences and CG is going to make up for that. Lucas totally blew it, and guess what? he doesn't care...and it shows. anyone who is truly honest about AOTC will admit that, aside from some good moments, it was a pretty awful movie. and spare the inane apologies like: "well, it's good for a Star Wars movie" or "i've lost the kid in me" or whatever. that is ridiculous. a bad movie is a bad movie and a good movie is a good movie. that's it. and personally, i love fairy tale films... when they are good, that is. the original trilogy (especially the first two) were good movies. great movies, in fact. yeah, they were cheesy and naive and fairy taleish, but they were good. these new films are cheesy, naive and bad. this is the difference. i'm not a Star Wars basher because i've been a fan for years. i realy wanted these new films to be good. i never thought they would be masterworks of existential genius, just good genre flicks. unfortnately, they are not. and this is frustrating as all hell because Lucas has nearly unlimited resources at his disposal. he could have made these films to be classics, but instead, he made a videogame that's long on marketing and short on substance. he fucked it up. nothing anyone says about the last two films will change this fact. maybe Episode 3 will be better but i highly doubt it. Lucas doesn't care and it shows.
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Can't believe no one's brought this up, but he was also the assistant/bodyguard to the wheelchair bound writer in 'A Clockwork Orange'.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said, but I'd also like to think that after Anakin joins Palpatine, he [palpatine] decrees that law and order can be enforced by the clonetroopers, so all other means of powerful weapons etc. are destroyed; this would include all those heavy-duty droids created by the Techno Union (nicely explaining their absence in the OT), any Trade Federation droid armies, and -of course- the jedi themselves will have to be placed under some sort of control. Arrogance being an increasing problem for the Jedi in this period, they will balk at the idea of being imprisoned in any way, and thus Anakin [now given the name Darth Vader, with the black outfit but no buttons or Helmet - or maybe even a helmet with no mask??!] will be given free rein to exterminate all the jedi. I don't really care whether the fabled volcano fight appears or not; if it does, I'll b happy, and take it like the homage to LOTR that it was surely always meant to be [although I bet G-Lu never guessed that he'd be making it at the same time as a movie version of LOTR was being made!] If it doesn't, then not to worry - as long as whatever replaces it is even cooler:)
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...and it's not rumor. From the Return of the Jedi novelization by James Kahn (forgive the typos, I'm gonna knock this out quick):
"Together they lifted the heavy helmet from Vader's head-inside the mask portion, a complicated breathing apparatus had to be disentangled, a speaking modulator and view-screen detached from the power unit in back. But when the mask was finally off and set aside, Luke gazed on his father's face.
"It was the sad, benign face of an old man. Bald, beardless, with a mighty scar running from the top of his head to the back of the scalp, he had unfocused, deepset, dark eyes, and his skin was pasty white, for it had not seen the sun in two decades. The old man smiled weakly; tears glazed in his eyes, now. For a moment, he looked not too unlike Ben.
"It was a face fll of meanings, that Luke would forever recall. Regret, he saw most plainly. And shame. Memories could be seen flashing across it...memories of rich times. And horrors. And love, too.
"It was a face that hadn't touched the world in a lifetime. In Luke's lifetime. He saw the wizened nostrils twitch, as they tested a first, tentative smell. He saw the head tilt imperceptibly to listen-for the first time wihout electronic auditory amplification. Luke felt a pang of remorse that the only sounds now to be heard were those of explosions, the only smells, the pungent string of electrical fires. Still, it was a touch. Palpable, unfiltered.
"He saw the old eyes focus on him. Tears burned Luke's cheeks, fell on his father's lips. His father smiled at the taste. It was a face that had not seen itself in twenty years. Vader saw his son crying, and knew it must have been at the horror of the face the boy beheld.
"It intisified, momentarily, Vader's own sense of anguish-to his crimes, now, he added guilt at the imagined repugnance of his appearance. But then this brought him to mind of the way he used to look-striking, and grand, with a wry tilt to his brow that hinted of invincibility and took in all of life with a wink. Yes, that was how he'd looked once.
"And this memory brought a wave of other memories with it. Memories of brotherhood, and home. His dear wife. The freedome of deep space. Obi-Wan.
"Obi-Wan, his friend...and how that friendship had turned. Turned, he knew not how-but got injected, nonetheless, with some uncaring virulence that festered, until...hold. These were memories he wanted none of, now now. Memories of molten lave, crawling up his back...no."
Exact quote. Page 465 of the Star Wars Trilogy from Del Rey, Omnibus Edition. -
In which Obi-Wan Renton shags a girl only to find to his great horror that she's a senator, formerly a Queen, and Darth Begbie rampages across various drinking establishments across the galaxy smashing pintglasses in lesser creature's faces. Oh, Samantha Morton spends 2 hours doing impressions of Dolphins (was it just me or did she spend the whole of Minority Report looking like she'd just escaped a can of John West? EEEEEKKK! EEEEKKK!!), and Christopher Eccleston is relegated to telling his friends in the North to sod it and team-up with Renton and Begbie for a salt'n'vinegar crisp or two and a pint of courage fizzy....... No? Oh well!! Sounds interesting, I have to say that the amount of people happily chatting about Episode III on here is cool!! I hope Boba has his revenge on Mace in episode III, And George, could we see a glimpse of Han and Lando, hey, howzabout a reflection upon the battle of Tenabb? One thought: If Daniel Logan is back for this one then maybe the plot point of the stock for the clones from Jango's dna has gone into regression, thus they take stock from Boba, but there are side-effects, and hey!! Stormtroopers that can't hit the side of a barn door!! David Prowse is a bit silly for going-on about it, poor 'ol' Jeremy Bulloch hasn't exactly whined about not having the Jango/Boba role has he now? And he's younger than David!! I await, and lastly: I do not car how much money AOTC made, it was a success and me and my friends all think its great and we all want purple lightsabres - so can somebody make some toy purple lightsabres? PLEASE?!! -
Yeah, that'll make it just rock, after all this is the "writer" who had the audacity to compare his work on Ep 2 to Shakespeare and Raymond Chandler. (I shit thee not, he actually said that--and since he said it at a Star Wars con packed with fans right before the movie came out, he knew full well that no one was going to call him out on it). By the way, Episode 2 was shit, and now we can pretty much be assured that #3 will be as well, with or without Prowse as Vader.
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Lemmie just say this now: there is absolutely no way in Hell that anyone who has even a passing familiarity with this site will be able to remain "spoiler free for Episode III." So here's what I propose: fake spoilers. People make shit up all the time, and more often than not it's picked up and passed on as fact, so what if this is done INTENTIONALLY? Think about it: since everyone is making stuff up willy-nilly, anything you read will have NO credibility. So when you DO read something that is actually a news leak of some sort, well, you'll just glaze right over it. Maybe not as good as being totally spoiler-free, but much more feasible. Hell, I'll start now: Palpatine and the Darkest One aren't the same person: they're TWINS SEPERATED AT BIRTH! See how easy that was?
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Jul 15, 2002 9:54:24 PM CDT
LATE TO POST! Some thoughts on the title, the suit, etc. from T
by the hillbrothers
First, the suit: Hayden has said in an interview that they've asked him to bulk up some. The rest can be accomplished with padding. I think he won't turn until at least half way thru the movie, but at that point he will probably don a black leather suit which will be a stylized version of the suit to come, sans helmet and chest control panel. After the big fight, we'll se the helmet, if at all, and that would be near the very end. As for the title, I somehow doubt Lucas will use the word "Jedi" twice in the series. I also very much doubt he will use a similar grammatical construction twice in a row ("___ of the ___"). When I first heard the title The Phantom Menace I thought Lucas was attempting to mirror the construction of the titles from the old trlogy, both in theme and grammar, as in: A New Hope, The Phantom Menace are both article, adjective, noun, but are opposite in theme. The Empire Strikes Back implies that the bad guys win, whereas Attack of the Clones connotes a victory for the good guys, although it is nearly impossible to come up with a title grammatically similar to ESB without sounding ludicrous (The ESB actually does sound ludicrous, in a way I have grown to love... but it's still more infantile sounding than AOTC). Actually, I love all the titles so far except A New Hope, which by itself sounds decidedly un-space serial-like. Anyway, I was disappointed Lucas went with the "(verb) of the (noun)" title for Ep II, because now he can't (shouldn't) use the same construction for the next title, which should still be thematically opposite of Return of the Jedi in that it will imply victory for the dark forces. I agree it will have to convey both the fall of the jedi/republic and maintain a continuity in preparing us for a "New Hope." And in keeping with the thematic opposition, it would be appropriate to use the word "Sith" in the title, as opposed to "Jedi." "Rise of the Sith" is too often mentioned, and too pedestrian. "The Sith Triumphant" would be a cool title, and would avoid the ubiquitous ___ of the ___ speculation for the title of Ep III. Now, of course, if you like my idea, don't go quoting me, or Lucas will never use it. I have previously expressed my enjoyment of Ep II (seen it 7 times now), a love tempered by the evident flaws of the movie. I don't think I have to defend it here since most of this crew seem to be fans, but it does seem like most of the naysayers are still unable to put the series into perspective. Trust me, if you saw the old trilogy for the first time today, they wouldn't be anywhere near as cool. They are juvenile movies with some heavy themes (war, oppression, your dad is the devil, etc.) which so impressed our juvenile minds that they seem more adult now. The exception may be the sterling script for ESB, in which people talk as if they really inhabit the fantasy universe of Star Wars, and nary an indulgent moment is to be found. But my point is that if you can't enjoy the new Star Wars movies for what they are because of your expectations, then you are missing a lot. Please look for what is there rather than pining about what isn't there, because it never was. Somebody mentioned both series are cheesy and naive, but that the old ones were like fairy tales whereas the new ones are not... That doesn't make sense. If you remove all the cheese (such as bad dialogue, comedy, etc.) and look at what's left, then I don't see what fairy tale elements are in the first ones that aren't comparable to the new ones: rescued queen, freed slave, prophecy, chosen one, tragic death of mother, forbidden wedding, hero seduced by evil... I mean, DUH! Anyway I don't like to be too negative on the talkback, I'm sorry. But I will say one thing. That Custer guy, that's just classic bully behavior, pure and simple. They were in the schoolyard playground, and there here in the talkbacks. And still, nobody likes a bully. Just remember that in the talkbacks nobody's bigger than anyone else. Now words are weapons, so remember that by "trolling" you are simply choosing to hurt others rather than making an intelligent comment. If you have criticisms for Star Wars I'm open to hearing them, but they should be constructive criticisms rather than vented hatred. May the Force Be With You.
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Anakin will be 22, Padme 26, Obi-Wan 37 and this whole bitch fest about plots, titles and how AOTC wasn't that much better than TPM is getting stale very fast. AOTC was written a helluva lot better than Sam Raimi's super-powered version of ANGUS.
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First of all, your boycott is worthless and stupid. Secondly, no matter what you say about Star Wars, they are not the results of lazy film making. This new trilogy is costing over $300 million to make and involving more special effects shots than any movie 3 films in movie history. He is also taking three years each to make them and am sure they they have more people working on them than just about any movie ever made. Your statements are really stupid and I really think you should take the plunge and watch the damn movie. You'll hate yourself later if you see this movie for the first time on TV. Oh well, you can always bask in the glory that you alone were the key participant in keeping a movie under the $1 billion mark worldwide. Congratulations!
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Jul 16, 2002 12:45:32 AM CDT
you guys are all dumb... the things you argue about dont matter
by theyak
ok... first of all, anakin was SUPPOSED to be a whiny bitch in ep2... that's his character. secondly, hayden will make a good vader... he's got the walk nailed. remember in ep2 just before he goes off to find his mother? that walk is vader, the flowing robes the swagger... very nice. and this "hayden isnt as tall as david" thing is irrelevant too... no original actors from eps 4,5,6 are in these prequels so you wont notice if he's a few inches shorter... it's not like there are 7/11 height indicators plastered all over the death star or anything... and, for that matter, wouldnt it be nice if we get the old switcheroo where the jedi know vader exists, but it isnt revealed until the end that it's anakin... it's worked for palpatine so far... but I do agree with those that say that James Earl Jones is who makes vader vader. he IS vader... and hayden will be able to muscle up before he has to wear it... look at what tobey maguire did with himself for spiderman... actors do that all the time. have a little faith in the system, kids... as long has Lucas goes for the "cool factor" it'll turn out fine. (and I think lucas is washed up)
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From what I've gathered from the books and from interviews, Qui-Gon WAS the Phantom Menace! He along with Dooku worked to undermine the Jedi Council. Remember Obi-Wan saying something to the effect that he would be higher in the Council if he didn
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I think I really hit me while I was reading this talkback about what the real problem of this new trilogy is! Remember when we saw Episode 4 for the first time and saw Ben die? Then in Empire we saw Han's ass being hauled away by Fett? We don't have any characters that we care about in REAL DANGER! We already know that Yoda, Ben, and Anakin HAVE to live on to exist in the future of the original films. The question was asked how do you create a meaningful ending with Episode 3, and I think I found a problem: Beyond the new trilogy core of Anakin/Padme/Kenobi we haven't spent a lick of time to develop the other characters in way to make any risk to their lives or their deaths meaniful and powerful. Take all the Jedi killed in this film, I didn't give a damn because I didn't have a reason to care about them. If another character had been allowed to develop along with the new trilogy core, to be able to see them for a while and get to know them, we'd care more about their impending fates. Take Qui-Gon, for example. Almost everyone going to see TPM knew at the start he was going to die before the end, but we were allowed small but important glimpses into his character that we cared about him as a character; that he was important. Even Lando got some good development (either stay relatively safe in Cloud City with the _possibility_ of the Empire hassling him for the rest of his life, or doing the right thing by Han and Chewie and helping them, giving up Cloud City, and being given the _certainty_ that the Empire would be after him for the rest of his days...) I don't see JarJar filling that missing space in Episode 3, nor do I see Mace or Panaka, or any of the other characters that just brush on screen, say their lines, do their action, and then go off. There is potential for Boba Fett, though. Of course, a good mindfuck would be that in Episode 3; Boba Fett is hired by someone to deliver Luke to Tattooine to keep him safe from Vader/Palpatine/Anakin /Empire. (The logic being is that he'll do it because it's his job and his work ethic demands he keep the location of the child a secret, and I'm sure someone like Kenobi could say something like, "His father was killed by a former pupil of mine..." (a Jedi, assumes Fett, who still hates the Jedi). Kenobi continues with something like, "I do not wish for his father's killer to take his child, as well. Deliver him to Tattooine to the Lars family, his uncle. They won't find him there..." Meanwhile, crazy old Ben travels light and alone to Tatooine, arriving some time later and watching from a distance. I know, a contrived ending...)
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WHAT ABOUT THE CHAMBER/CAVE IN ESB WHERE LUKE/DUKE DUELS "VADER" THE PLACE WAS IN LEAGUE WITH THE DARK SIDE,AND IF IT WAS MAN MADE[LOOK TO THE LEFT OF LUKE'S RIGHT SHOULDER WHEN HE IGNITES HIS LIGHTSABER-ITS A MAN MADE ENTRANCE]THEN MAYBE THAT IS THE REASON THAT YODA IS ON DAGOBAH?WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK,OH,CUSTER,DONT FORGET YOUR SANDWICHES ON YOUR WAY TO SCHOOL!!
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Star Wars: Episode III: Dude, Where's My Lightsaber?
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Think about it for a while. You know that is what Lucas will call it!
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All jokes asside though, Attack of the Clones was great. Sure the new trilogy is different. If he had just copied the OT we would be criticizing him just as hard for lack of originality. Overall, I would have to list AOTC alongside ESB as one of the best SW movies ever. For once, we got to see a real war, and real Jedi in action, not some second rate winey teenager (AKA Luke). Dooku was downright terrifying. I can't wait to see Anikan kill him, or the fight between Bobba Fet and Mace Windu.
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Bring on Episode III! I want to see Dude, Where's My Lightsaber?
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You've never ever had even a little bit of sex, have you??
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Jul 16, 2002 12:16:00 PM CDT
WHY ANAKIN MUST NOT BE REVEALED TO BE DARTH VADER IN EPISODE 3..
by jaimie kanwar
I agree that the identity of Darth Vader should remain a mystery until ESB. If the Star Wars films are going to stand the test of time as a chronological STORY (which presumably it is supposed to be) then Anakin Skywalker must not be identified as Darth Vader in EP 3. Of course, established fans know how it
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Hey! I just found this really cool website and guess what! David Prowse is the MAIN villian.
Coolio and that guy from scrubs are in it too.
It's so cool seeing the big man back. Man if this takes off this could be cooler than his Darth Vader role cause it's really him.
And this guy's site is just the coolest. Image some guy just did all this! Where'd he come from? No where!
http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/
http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/topsecret.html
and be sure to to check out the anti-terrorist book to... that looks SO awsume.
http://www.beyondcomicsinc.com/usatext.html
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Dave is a new Bad Guy in Ravedactyl & Civilian Justice the Comic Book & Movie.
Check it out at
www.BeyondComics.TV
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Firstly let me commend you for the sheer size of your proposal. I did not spot the tinge of regret on Dooku's face but i'm all for the plot point you mentioned. I was wondering what possible impact Dooku would have on the plot of episode 3, and that he would just be a loose end to dispose of like Boba Fett in ROTJ, but now i know what should happen. I wonder how Chris Lee will go about revealing the information to Anakin, he can't just go "i am your father", the dialogue leading up to the line would surely clue people in. Regarding their final fight, i think that Lucas probably shouldn't set it near lava, although a comment above says that he's already scouting for volcano locations. Considering the lava enviroments we have and will see in the lord of the rings trilogy, there would be nothing he could possibly do in one that would be original and exciting. My idea would be, with the mention of the it in AOTC, to set it inside the hollow exoskeleton (i can't think of a better word) of an in construction death star, Anakin and Dooku having been hurled out of the close confines of a space ship nearby because of the ferocity of their battle. It sounds silly as i type but, having been a little dissapointed by the Anakin/Obi-Wan/Dooku battle in AOTC, i just think that the only original area left to take a lightsabre battle is in a zero gravity enviroment. But then again, they couldn't very well fight and look cool in silly space suits, which we have not seen once in a star wars film. Finally, regarding not revealing Anakin's transformation, i agree, and every time i think about what the scene would look like, i think about the scene in 'Batman- Mask of the Phantasm' (if you've seen it) where Bruce puts on the costume for the first time and Alfred says "my god". Quite untoppable i think. I'd love to hear your thoughts, and anyone elses for that matter. Actually i'm kinda worried that this article will be moved to the archive section in a couple of hours.
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1. Title should be along the lines of "FALL OF THE REPUBLIC" or "FALL OF THE JEDI" or "RISE OF THE EMPIRE".
2. Jar-Jar should not be killed on screen, but show him flying back home to Naboo, only to find out that his people have been murdered, and that the Naboo Palace, the Queen, and everyone else are dead.
3. I'd like to see a Sith Warrior similar to Darth Maul play a role in this plot. Maybe have his name be Darth De'mon (meaning Demon).
4. I'd like to see the lava pit fight. I'd like to see Qui-Gon Jinn return as a ghost only appearing to Obi-Wan telling him the truth saying why he died was because he was doing his Master's bidding and Obi-Wan asks "Who's bidding? What master?" and then he explains to him that he is infiltrator, or spy for the Emperor and that he only meant to retrieve Young Skywalker was because Palpatine was the boy's father and that's why Qui-Gon was so pleased to see that this was the boy who carried a high doasge of midichlorians, this was the boy who would tear the Republic into.
5. Palpatine reveals himself to Anakin as being his father and being the mastermind behind this plot.
6. Padme does not die, but goes into hiding with Bail Organa.
7. Lando Calrissian's dad and Mon Mothma, or Grand Moff Tarkin cameos and appearances.
8. A full-scale war in the beginning and ending.
9. See the Republic crumbling, see the senators squabbling no more, and see cities being destroyed, homes being burnt, people as prisoners, and people dying.
10. X-Wings and Tie-Fighters are introduced.
11. Death Star is in the process of being created.
12. Dooku gets killed by his master, Yoda, or Sidious sees that he is no use to him any longer and has Anakin kill him off.
13. Nute Gunray and the Trade Federation are put to an end, as Sidious believes that Grand Moff Tarkin is the key to the galaxy's end.
14. We meet Wedge's dad. Who's also a pilot. Maybe have his dad's name be Axel A.J. Antilles.
15. An older Sebulba and Watto are seen in one scene.
16. Owen and Beru have more lines than being reduced to a useless cameo, same with Bail Organa.
17. LAST ONE: We see Emperor Palpatine go to the Cloners and say "Build me a new army. I'm sick of wasting droid after droid to finish off my enemies. Build me an army to crush the Jedi and the Republic for good." Then, we see glimpses of the Stormtroopers and hear "The Imperial March Theme" and "Darth Vader's Theme" and "Duel of the Fates" one after another and that is the closing finale. -
I find it unlikely that Prowse will return. Hayden Christensen is perfectly tall enough and besides height is easily manipulated on film. Has anyone noticed that Sebastian Shaw who played the unmasked Anakin in Jedi looks nothing like an old Hayden Christensen - could we seeing more trilogy special editions, i've heard extra footage is to be shot for the DVD releases.
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First off, I like the titles "Revenge of the Sith" or "Rise of the Sith" ... Anyways based on parallels with other SW movies, here's what I think (notice this is my OPINION) should happen in EP3:
1. EP3 opens with a battle similar to ESB with the clones finally defeating the the droid armies.
2. OB1 and Anakin distinguish themselves in the final battle of the Clone Wars (OB1 being a general leading troops in battle like Yoda from AOTC) - maybe there is even an awards ceremony.
3. At the end of the Clone Wars, Palpatine refuses to return the power given him by the senate, claiming further threats to the Republic. He is most vocally opposed by a young senator named Mon Mothma.
4. Palpatine / Sidious must get rid of the Jedi before declaring himself Emperor. To do this, he has Dooku convinced that Anakin would be a powerful ally and has Dooku capture Padme.
5. Anakin wants to go and save her but OB1 tells him that he has to do his duty. They argue (like on the Republic Gunship in AOTC). This time Anakin disobeys OB1 and leaves the Jedi order, turning to Palpatine for help.
6. Using Palpatine's advice / training, Anakin confronts Dooku and, giving in to his hatred, uses the Dark Side to defeat Dooku.
7. Anakin is now an outcast from the Jedi but turns to his allegiance with Palpatine.
8. Perhaps Anakin also believes that Padme has been killed, this would explain his hatred of the remaining Jedi, especially OB1.
8. Palpatine uses Anakin's hatred of the Jedi, to unleash a purge. Anakin kills off the Jedi (a suitable end for Mace would be during a duel with Anakin sacrificing himself for OB1 & Yoda) while OB1 and Yoda, after rescuing Padme, whisk her away to safety (Dagobah?)
9. OB1 confronts Anakin (YES, it really IS in a lava pit) and OB1 manages to defeat Anakin. Anakin falls into the pit and maybe even OB1 rescues him. (This would account for OB1's knowledge that Vader is "more machine now than man"). Although I agree, we should NOT see Anakin donning the Vader mask.
10. Luke & Leia are born on Dagobah (remember Luke's faniliarity with Dagobah?) and hidden on Alderaan & Tattooine.
11. While on Tattooine, OB1 tells owen that Anakin has been killed in the Clone Wars and asks that he help raise Luke. Owen makes a comment to the effect that he "should never have gotten involved with such things". OB1 promises to stay nearby in case Owen needs help. Owen is none to happy with the idea.
12. Tarkin and Star Destroyers appear, as do Tie Fighters and Z-95 Headhunters.
13. Boba Fett is now the "master copy" from which new clones are created. Although, the clones are now a "copy of a copy" and not quite as productive.
14. After the Jedi are gone, the Palpatine declares himself Emperor. He also declares his contempt for non-humans.
15. Mon Mothma is seen in a secret meeting of a fledgling Alliance comprised of many alien races.
16. A statue of the Emperor holding a sphere is raised in Coruscant.
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i really don't think it matters who dons the vader suit,so long as they can fill it!speaking from a female perspective,that is.
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will we see a digitally enhanced mark hamill at the close of episode three?what a feat of engineering that would be!
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The Star Wars Saga is by far the best Saga ever produced on film. Who cares who plays what, or who wears what, or who talks for who. I realize this site is merely opinion oriented. However, opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. The original films were great, no doubt about it. The new series are equally great. I grew up watching these films, and still enjoy them very much. Nothing can, or ever will top these series of films. My only gripe with the series is based on sequence. I stronly believe that the films should of been done in order. I don't agree with all the cynical comments as to who plays who, and so on. As for David or Hayden wearing the suit, who gives a shit. A freaking monkey could wear the suit and I would still watch the movie. Vader is awesome, and since he is behind a mask anyway, it's not like you can see who is in the suit in the first place. As for whoever is keeping up with how much money the films make, or how many fewer viewers are in between films, get a life. If you don't like the films or Star Wars in general, your problem can easily be solved by not watching.
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To all of you who say Hayden's too wiry:
In an interview, Hayden said that George told him to "put on some weight or size." not a lot, but "just enough so i can be wicked with a lightsaber"(this hints at some awesome fight scenes in ep 3)
So There!!!
Jaina Solo
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oh, and hayden is 6'2" tall enough for you?
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I have to agree with master jedi though....
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Everyboby keeps saying that Anakin will be defeated in a lava pit. And just because that ending is in some novel doesn't mean that Episode III will be like that. I remember before AOTC came out my friend were all saying that Uncle Owen was related to OB1 because of some star wars novels or comics that revealed it. My best guess for the ending is less obvious. In Phantam Menace, Anakin randomnly talked about a bomb being placed in all slaves, and it is never brought up again. My guess is that that bomb is still there. It will be detonated to kill Anakin and the remains will become Darth.
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I don't know what you people expect from a sifi movie,but you'r not going to get it!
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