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MTV.COM Gets Petersen To Spill More BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN Details!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

Nice article over on today regarding Wolfgang Petersen’s BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN project.


Among the new revelations in the story:

* No Robin!!

* Matt Damon was just mentioned as the type of actor Petersen was interested in, not as any sort of firm choice.

* Petersen’s a big fan of the first two films in both the SUPERMAN and the BATMAN franchises.

* The film takes place in a post-September 11th world, something grounded in near-reality.

* And did I mention No Robin?!?

Nice work by Ryan J. Downey on this one. Just based on the e-mail I’ve gotten the last few days, this project has geeks fully revved up and excited, and I’m sure people are going to be curious as each new piece of the puzzle is snapped into place. Right now I’ve got my best guys in LA working on getting this script. I’m wicked curious.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • July 11, 2002, 6:38 a.m. CST

    WOO-HOO! =)

    by Deep Blue Sky

    Sure- -I'd Always Said Yelling Out FIRST Was Stupid...- -But Hey,- -I DID IT! =)- -WOOOO ME! =) P.S- -Robin's Cool If Writen Well.- -Robin In Forever Was Pretty Cool- -Costume With The Nipples Was Weird- -But The Fact That He Stole The Batmobile, Saved Some Chick In An Ally And Was All Like: "WAAAAAAAAH!" [That's Me Being All Kung-Fu-Like]- -Was Pretty Cool :)- -Could've Done Without The Holey Rusted Metal Batman Thingy- -But SMEH. =P

  • July 11, 2002, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Again, I must say...why?

    by Andy Travis

    This sounds about as inspired as Gone Fishin', with Danny Glover and Joe Peschi. A big dumb idea. Ooh, the tension comes from their different tactics when it comes to fighting crime! And I'm sure they'll have one fight scene, then team up to stop the bad guy, whoever that may be. Doesn't matter. Just rent the Batman/Superman "World's Finest" three-parter.

  • July 11, 2002, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Superman vs. Batman

    by joe-man

    I really hope there won't be a fight-scene between the two. How lame would that be. Superman is an omnipotent alien and Batman is a human. Batman can't bend steel or move at the speed of light.. nope. Them teaming up is okey, guess Superman can have Batman hanging around.. kinda like having his own Robin.. yeah.. "Fetch me some coffe boy..."

  • July 11, 2002, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Does anyone in the world think this won't suck- badly, I mig

    by biggerjohn

    Superman -he's virtually invinciple so I can never intrested in his plights. Plus they won't properly fight- a minor tussle then team up. If they did fight properly Batman would be dead in seconds. No question. He's a powerless wimp. Ok. A good detective but so what.

  • July 11, 2002, 7:30 a.m. CST

    hey biggerjohn

    by ogonekenobi

    nobody told batman he was a big, powerless wimp when he was beating superman's punk ass up and down the street a few months ago in return of the dark knight. Re:The power of a set of kriptonite knuckles!!!!!!! OGOne-Kenobi has spoken

  • July 11, 2002, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon?

    by Luke

    Cam you really see him as Batman or Superman?

  • July 11, 2002, 7:41 a.m. CST

    I love Batman, and I got nothing against Superman...

    by DrJerkass

    ...but this project just isn't giving me one of those warm and fuzzy feelings. I think they'd have to write a screenplay with some killer character dynamics to pull this off. It can't just be a superhero action movie, unless it's going to be four hours long, or have no villians.

  • July 11, 2002, 7:45 a.m. CST

    My local multiplex just burnt down to the ground...

    by Primus am I going to watch films now?! I assume it was coincidence that Scooby-Doo open here in the UK tomorrow...

  • July 11, 2002, 7:48 a.m. CST

    It can't be bad. . .

    by indyhu

    In the article, Wolfgang grouped it with King Kong vs Godzilla as far as legendary battle go. No way will it suck! All joking aside, I get the feeling he has a love for the characters and has a great story in mind. The only thing that can truly hurt it (aside from bad casting) is studio interference like Jon Peters to Kevin Smith on Superman Lives.

  • July 11, 2002, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Well, sounds good... BUT

    by SoulReaver

    why has it to be another shitty director???

  • July 11, 2002, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Well Luke, could you see Michael Keaton as Batman?

    by HappyHamster

    It's wierd, but of all the guys who've played Batman, the one movie featuring the most improbable choice for Batman out of them all ends up being the best.

  • July 11, 2002, 8:11 a.m. CST


    by EIFF

    What multiplex? Where in I feel for you. I suspect that terrorists want to stop people from seeing Scooby Doo, or maybe Bad Company, or maybe Resident Evil. Hey, tomorrow is a pretty shit day for new films, isn't it. Oh well, I have my unlimited UGC pass, and as usual, I see every fucking film that comes out, good or not. But hey, thats me.

  • July 11, 2002, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Anyone get a nasty feeling

    by willscarlet

    About another Damon / Affleck buddy up?

  • July 11, 2002, 8:33 a.m. CST

    re: Andy Travis

    by durhay

    thanks for reopening an old scar with your mention of Gone Fishin'. If no one mentions Folks I may survive.

  • July 11, 2002, 8:41 a.m. CST


    by Brooklyn Bred

    Blade will kick the crap out of Wacist Brothers piece of shit.

  • July 11, 2002, 9:11 a.m. CST

    What the fuck happened to people in Hollywood having good idea?!

    by antmanx68

    The idea of a Batman vs. Superman movie is so fucking stupid ESPECIALLY since they cant even get it right dealing with just one of the two! Tim Burton's Batman? NO! The cristopher reeve superman movies were awesome but that is from a different era in film. Whoever thinks that this movie will be anything more than a huge insult is going to be disappointed. With a little luck the "im not a total retard anymore" fairy will come out from neverland and influence the right (even though they're wrong) people into NOT going ahead with this movie. MATT DAMON?!?!?! why the hell does everyone insist on giving him roles in movies? He has about as much range and star power as this 5 year old autistic kid I used to play cards with..... The only way I could figure is that he's Jimmy Olsen, or Batman's Penis. This is just another example of old fat hollywood fucks trying to cash in on a franchise that they care nothing about and will ruin forever. By the way Blade II was a very nicely packaged visual effects bla bla PIECE OF SHIT!!! A story between superman and batman (simply based on the nature of the two) would take like 12 issues to play out, and if they try to make this movie span from their origins to present day it will be ridiculous, and even if they just assume that people know the origin and set it totally modern it will blow. I got a feeling that this is gonna feel more like an On*Star commercial with some "Six Flags" batman chasing a "party store prostethic chinned" Joker......... and just for fun we'll add in a totally miscast superman who isnt even superman cuz we dont understand what superman is. Ant

  • July 11, 2002, 9:27 a.m. CST


    by Batman_9

    man i'm getting excited. great article. so they are going with andrew kevin walker's script. i am stoked. ppl are starting to talk to...i live in mississippi and this morning i was driving to work while listening to a local radio show based in a really small town. its an oldies station with these two guys in their forties...they were reading rumors about movies and they mentioned this one...they geeked out. they were saying there was now way batman would win..."superman will kick his butt all over gotham." this project has got eveyone talking. my point? if its done right...and its beginning to sound like it will be...this movie could be huge. hey warner...if you film it...we will come.

  • July 11, 2002, 9:33 a.m. CST

    whiny punk-ass bitches

    by PriestYoungblood

    I can't believe the amount of negativity towards this project... Batman and Superman? The director of Das Boot & In The Line Of Fire? Frankly, I'm suprised at you people. What the fuck does it take to make you morose bastards happy?

  • July 11, 2002, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by I_AM_A_WOOKIE

    antman, you are one of those talkbackers i really hate, you give an opinion on something, with nothing to support your argument and then you just use a crude expletive to finish. you obviously didnt read the article properly, and you lick balls. as far as the whole matt damon thing goes, (who they said they are not gonna use anyway, that was a guideline for the sort of person they will use), how can you say this man is a bad actor? you may not like any of his movies, but the guy is a future creative mogul, look at good will hunting, he is a) believable, and b)entertaining, a totally different part from Loki in Dogma, but plays the part with credibility. anyway, i think this film will be cool, i still think they should get somebody kind of older, like clooney, or gibson (not nessicerally them) to play batman, and somebody likeBilly Crudup for Supes. some of this news makes me uneasy though, Wolfgang petersen? the mans good, but we need somebody more innovative, i think he will wreck it. acually, i'd like to see David Lynch do this project, or at least a superhero movie, imagine the talkback on that! one more thing, the name, how stupid? call it Justice League, at least that way, they could have other superheros in the sequel. has there ever been a green lantern movie?

  • July 11, 2002, 9:45 a.m. CST

    SoulReaver hasn't seen "Das Boot"

    by BlankGeneration

    Go watch "Das Boot" SoulReaver and try to convince me Wolfgang is a shitty director.

  • July 11, 2002, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by PriestYoungblood

    SoulReaver hasn't seen an English class either... "why has it to be another shitty director???" What?? What a dope.

  • July 11, 2002, 10 a.m. CST

    With you all the way PriestYoungblood

    by Bad Guy

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Some of these talkbackers don't like anything, so why do you bother coming here? Every idea sucks, every actor and director sucks, every studio sucks, etc. Honestly, do you guys even like movies?? Batman and Superman, two of the greatest and most popular superheroes are going to be teamed up in a film helmed by a director who has a pretty good filmography, talent and has had box office success. And "What's the consent on this site? "They're gonna fuck it up!", "This is gonna suck!", etc. At least wait until it's released to flame it. True, I'm not looking forward to McG's "Superman", but I'm basing that on the fact that I absolutely hated "Charlie's Angels". Who knows, he may surprise me. What are some of you guys basing that this can't be made into a decent film?

  • July 11, 2002, 10:05 a.m. CST

    lack of hero knowledge

    by Zen Man

    I am stunned at the overall lack of knowledge when it comes to comic book superheroes. If you know your stuff about comics, then you know that Batman has in the past, beaten Superman quite easily. Read John Byrne's Man of Steel saga. Batman beat Superman without even laying a finger on him! He forced Superman to end the 'fight' before it even stated by convincing him that an innocent person would be killed by a bomb if Superman dared try to stop him! Also check out Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns. Another Bat'ASSWHUPPIN' delivered to Krypto-boy! The Caped Crusader Rules! That my friends, is BAT-BALLS!

  • July 11, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST

    With you all the way PriestYoungblood

    by Bad Guy

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Some of these talkbackers don't like anything, so why do you bother coming here? Every idea sucks, every actor and director sucks, every studio sucks, etc. Honestly, do you guys even like movies?? Batman and Superman, two of the greatest and most popular superheroes are going to be teamed up in a film helmed by a director who has a pretty good filmography, talent and has had box office success. And "What's the consent on this site? "They're gonna fuck it up!", "This is gonna suck!", etc. At least wait until it's released to flame it. True, I'm not looking forward to McG's "Superman", but I'm basing that on the fact that I absolutely hated "Charlie's Angels". Who knows, he may surprise me. What are some of you guys basing that this can't be made into a decent film?

  • July 11, 2002, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ people...

    by banshee

    CALM DOWN! Now I haven't had any faith in WB ever since "Batman & Robin", and I'm still not sure Peterson is the best choice to direct, I think we need someone more visual, but now isn't the time to start bashing this movie.____ At least wait until we get a script review and hear some casting, THEN if it sounds like shit you can scream from the rooftops about how much it's going to suck. I'll join you if they dare change either of their costumes.____But the concept is cool and this could be the film that puts WB back on track. Just keep Jon Peters far, far away.

  • July 11, 2002, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I'm quite pumped about this whole thing

    by willscarlet

    I've been a JLA fan for a while. But the way I see it Batman vs. Superman isn't about the two slugging out in the street. It is the two of them butting heads in the way they work. Batman thinks Superman is an idealistic boyscout and Supes thinks batman is a dangerous vigilante. The odd thing is that Bruce and Clark could almost be friends. The casting should reflect these opposing characteristics. Batman is intense and brooding, Superman is not. He doesn't have to appear tough - he's invulnerable. Names keep springing to mind for Batman (including Dennis Quaid and Keifer Sutherland - scream at me if I'm crazy) but who can portray the Superman's mix of innocence and integrity without coming across as insufferably smug? Is it Billy Crudup - I don't know.

  • July 11, 2002, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Now, now - let's not start kicking each other in the dick ju

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    We haven't seen a script or confirmed any casting yet - just calm down. In my ideal movie it would be along the lines of the Dark Kinght Returns - an old bitter and (almost) insane Batman (Ed Harris - oh, he'd kick ass I fucking know it) once again takes vigilantism to worrisome level - but in the modern world so its not a simple as crime and punishment, because those that make the order are guilty of the systematic punishment of those that do not - and these powers that be get Superman (Supe doesn't age so fast, so the actor could be young) to try to reign him in - but Supe is really just a pawn in a nefarious scheme to rid the powers that be from Batman, a true threat to order, and consquently their power. Maybe Batman knows something, something insidious and manipulative - maybe Batman goes after the cops and Commissioner Gordon - maybe that's where the modern evil lies. Seems like a classic comic book story to me, not balck and white, good and evil, but with lots of shades of grey. Oh, and the title I think should go - It can't be called Batman vs. Superman (well, it can but I don't want it to be) - It should be called "The City at Night" or something along those lines. This would be my wish list, if I had the option.

  • July 11, 2002, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Dini should do it

    by Zen Man

    Paul Dini and his crew have had both Batman and Superman nailed down from the start. The folks at Warner (as well as Wolfgang) should make sure they pay close attention to what he has done with the animated stuff. Hell, it would be great if Warner gave Dini the proper budget ($100 million at least) and carte blanche to go crazy!

  • July 11, 2002, 10:55 a.m. CST




  • July 11, 2002, 11:21 a.m. CST

    McSmokey..."let's not start kicking each other in the dick j

    by PriestYoungblood

    Call me childish, but I can't stop fucking laughing at that one. Thank you positive posters who have not become jaded-mom's-basement-dwellers and automatically trash what should be a comic fan's dream come true. Two more things - 1) the poster who pointed out that the two heroes have met before and Bats has occasionally come out on top - well said. 2) I think that this title is tentative, and I don't think it's supposed to be Batman AGAINST Superman. I think they're gonna be mostly allies with some difference of opinion, that leads to conflict and turmoil.

  • July 11, 2002, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Casting and Kevin Smith

    by Bramton1

    Have you read the Kevin Smith Superman Lives script? It sucks. A live televast from the Batcave. Why don't you just post directions to the Batcave on the Internet? Doomsday a puppet of Brainiac. Please. Also, can we get David Boreonaz for Batman?Either in this one or Year One. He must join us or die.

  • July 11, 2002, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Didn't Superman give Batman kryptonite?

    by bjtew

    I thought in one storyline Superman has already given Batman kryptonite just in case Supes went out of control for some reason.

  • July 11, 2002, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Damn it, why did he have to go and say 'Matt Damon'?

    by Kielland

    Matt Damon?!?!?!? This project just went from KOOL to sucking and blowing at the same time. I hate it when this happends :(

  • July 11, 2002, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by Primus multiplex is in Huntingdon, Cambs. I'm hoping it's salvageable! I also try and see every fucking film that comes out, but sadly money and time do not always allow. As for Batman/Superman casting, I say Billy Crudup for Supes, Jim Caviezel for Bats. Live Long and Prosper.

  • July 11, 2002, 12:47 p.m. CST

    That's right, bj...

    by Strawhenge

    It was in the "Dark Knight over Metropolis" storyline which ran through all the Superman titles long about 1990. Superman entrusts Batman with the kryptonite ring for exactly the reasons you stated. Another astute talkbacker remarked that Superman and Batman have fought on occasion in the past. I think Byrne and Miller were used as examples, good ones too. But the pair's most harrowing battles were fought in the pre-crisis universe, back in the Dick Sprang, Curt Swan days. Sometimes red kryptonite was the culprit, turning Superman into a snarling neanderthal or bug-eyed monster. Sometimes Brainiac was to blame, blackmailing or brainwashing one of the heroes before transporting the pair to a distant, red-sun system where they could duke it out gladiator style. In the end though, the heroes would invariably return to their senses and, after brief apologies would band together to vanquish their foe. Finally, vowing to remain friends for all time, each would return to his respective city to await their next awe-inspiring adventure.

  • July 11, 2002, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Billy Crudup for Supes, Jim Caviezel for Bats!

    by Primus

    Just wanted to make sure people saw my thoughts too! :-) Fingers crossed for this one...

  • July 11, 2002, 12:55 p.m. CST

    "Batman's a scientist"

    by PriestYoungblood

    "It's not Batman!" Anybody remember that Simpsons? I really don't have anything else to say, I just wanted to use that quote. Oh wait - all you Matt Damon naysayers - I don't get it. Ripley, Good Will Hunting, Dogma, Bourne Identity - that's a pretty fucking good track record. I don't know whether or not he'd be right for this (he's kinda short), but then, most of us said that about Michael Keaton too. Anyway, he hasn't been given, or even offered, the part. Just Peterson thinking out loud. Reign in your spite a bit, and wait and see what happens. My sister went to grade school with Damon, and that's as close to famous as I'll ever be.

  • July 11, 2002, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Just as long as Batman kicks Superman's butt, I'll be ha


    Really, it will be hard to top the climactic battles of these two superhero titans as depicted in Miller's classic "Dark Knight Returns" and "Dark Knight Strikes Again" comic books. But I suppose a cinematic duel was inevitable. What could be finer than the eqivalent of Zeus vs. Hades, the overgrown Boy Scout vs. the dark detective? Hope they do the movie that way, with Supes the arrogant "bad guy", and Bats the quiet "protagonist".

  • July 11, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST

    One Idiot's Perspective

    by Village Idiot

    Hey everybody, Village Idiot here from AICN Comics, here to irresponsibly throw out a few thoughts on this whole BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN deal. Now anybody who knows me knows that I

  • July 11, 2002, 1:15 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Returns

    by Fumar

    The Batman/Superman fight in that comic book series was fucking badass, as well as the awesome earth-shattering build up. Yeah I know the whole thing wasn't about Superman vs. Batman, but if their eventual confrontation worked out so well in the comic book, it could be cool on screen. Just saying, that would be cool if Batman was an often misunderstood crusty old asshole, a thorn in every politically correct superhero's side. And the naive Superman is trying to stop him from hurting himself and others, but underestimates him.

  • July 11, 2002, 1:36 p.m. CST


    by DannyOcean01

    I like the idea of the film. I want Supes and Batman up on the silver screen again. But does it have to be grounded in this post-september 11th reality shtick. Why does this have to be continually worried about in the movies. The fact they even mention this in reference to a)movies b)comic book characters is in itself insulting and on the other hand it gives the movie unecessary baggage preventing, in my opinion, certain elements of the comics to come out. I'm all for a serious take on Batman because lets face it he has always been the one most grounded, but with Supes you are forever in the realm of fantasy, and to integrate one of the greatest tragedies of the 21st century into a movie narrative is a big mistake.

  • July 11, 2002, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale as Batman

    by DannyOcean01

    Thought I'd add that.

  • July 11, 2002, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Batmans Vs. Supes + Wolfgang = ???

    by taarrskye

    I acknowledge that it's WAY more miss than hit when it comes to big budget superhero flix, but as a previous poster stated... IF this project is as centered in the World's Finest niche of the DC universe (No, actually I was a Marvel kid), as Peterson claims it currently is... then it could be EPIC. Even the most ardent cynic has to admit that this concept has beau coup potential. Granted it could just as easily turn into a Gotham/Metropolis sized mess. If you've never been into comics, but are really curious about what Batman Vs. Supes COULD be, then head down to your friendly neighborhood comix shop and check out any World's Finest title with both characters on the cover. Also, I have to say that the entire concept of a 'team up' between these characters is almost as old as the characters themselves. They have undertaken MANY adventures together through the years, sometimes as allies, sometimes as adversaries. Talk Backers knocking the concept outright are just flaming for the sake of flaming. 1. Wolfgang Peterson is not just attached.. but EXCITED about this project. 2. There's NO ROBIN!!!!! (Extricate yourself from this predicament Boy BLUNDER!) Maybe it's the fanboy in me, but I just have to keep hope alive. - taarrskye p.s. How come every time the word 'Superman' is posted someone has to make a Kevin Smith reference? View Askew are the shiznit, but KS isn't the definitive authority on Supes. IMO.

  • July 11, 2002, 1:42 p.m. CST

    "Takes place in a post-September 11th world..."

    by magic_ninja

    So, what the fuck does that supposed to mean? Are we gonna get the "in your face" version of batman against terrorism? Or is Superman going to give a little speech about how you shouldn't judge someone because of where they are from? I'm so sick of all these losers calling this a "post-September 11th world". Nothing's changed at all since 9/11 and I think it's stupid that tv shows and movies can cash in on the "reality" aspect of something by calling it "post-September 11th".

  • July 11, 2002, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Holy Possibility Batman

    by #42

    Hi, I really enjoyed the previous post from the guy who actually has a Superman comic collection. I myself do not have any B/S comics but the entire Spider-man collection and consider myself a superhero is my non-educated thoughts. DC comics is probably doing the smartest thing they can do by pairing Superman and Batman in a movie. This movie will make money no matter if it sucks (everyone remember how good Scooby Doo did). If they cast a good Superman, this could lead to a new generation of Superman movies. It could also breathe life into the Batman franchise as well. My suggestions: 1 - the villains should be the Joker and Luthor. Who cares if the Joker fell off a building and died. No one cares. 2 - Robin should be in this movie and he should be played by Chris O'donnell. I am not saying that Robin should be in the major fights scenes but interplay between Robin and Superman would make for great humour. Robin is like a wide-eyed kid who looks at Superman as the greatest superhero on Earth. Play that off Batman who considers him to be a boyscout with a bad costume. Maybe a one time meeting in the Bat Cave while investigating something. Furthermore, this is an area where DC comics could have an edge over Marvel. Marvel's heroes are spread out over different companies and they cannot play off eachother. And keeping the original actor will add strength and stability to the franchise. When you replace an actor, especially one like O'Donnell who did a good job, people look at the franchise like a revolving door. 3 - Who should play Batman? Hmm, I really had no problem with any of actors. It was not the actors that made part III and IV was the script and tone of the movie. Remember the first line Batman delivered in B&R: "Hello freeze, I'm Batman". I do not own any Batman comics but this not something that he would say. Do not judge an actors performance on the diologue. Cloonie did not write the script...just delivered the lines. He was a fine Batman. As a matter of fact, given a better tone (darker), I think he would be the best Batman. Just my thoughts, Derek

  • July 11, 2002, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Batman hijacks Air Force One. Superman saves Air Force One. Clin

    by Regis Travolta

    How's that? You like? If you want more we could cast Hillary Ramrod Clinton as the First Lady but she's a lesbo who hates Clint but loves Clits. That's all you're getting for free. Oh and Hillary is the villain she wears a kryptonite necklace. Hillary is in cahoots with Batman. Superman flies Air Force One to a safe landing and he also captures Osama bin Laden too. The End

  • July 11, 2002, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Think outside the Miller box

    by Strawhenge

    Taarskye makes an excellent point. For some reason, many talkbackers limit the scope of what they think this movie should encompass to the last ten or fifteen years worth of Superman/Batman stories. Folks, the origin of the Batman/Superman team dates back to 1954!! There are hundreds of stories (some great, some less so) which could merit a nod of some sort in this feature. Remember, not all fans of these heroes are 12-22 year-olds who think that Miller and Byrne are the first and last words on Superman and Batman. And I'm pretty sure "Wolfie" likes the smell of our ticket money just as much as yours. Also: Mr Ocean, have you checked your calendar? It's 2002. A little early to call 9/11 "one of the greatest tragedies of the 21st century", don't you think. I mean, maybe it will be, but let's at least let the century get started first, huh?

  • July 11, 2002, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Andrew Kevin Walker's script was cheese?

    by Batman_9

    say it ain't so. that is disappointing. maybe they will revise it. meanwhile, i think we (the comic book loving geeks of the AICN talkback world) are going about this premise thing the wrong way. i agree one hundred percent about THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS being the ultimate batman/superman fight...but i think the movie should reflect more of the current comic books continuity relationships. i don't think we need a drag out knock down fight here. lets face it folks...hero's in DC land always get along and do the right thing. of all the charcters batman and superman are the only ones who have ever really tumbled...and thats never really happened either. in current continuity the thing i remember is when batman punched superman after joker killed jason todd. that was kick ass...but of course batman's knuckles were "badly bruised" afterwards and superman rollled with the punch. i recall maybe a year ago that superman stopped being clark and tried to be superman full time...taking the law into his hands like batman and the JLA had to take him down. batman of course played a pivotal role in bringing him back to his senses but they didn't really fight. however, they're has been tons of terrific dialouge and disagreements between the two men for years. the way wolfgang describes they're personalities is dead on. example...somewhere around issue #17 or so of JLA (back when grant morrison was still writing) the team was gathering at the watchtower and green lantern showed up and said..."hey, everyone's here except batm.." he was interupted by the dark knight who stepped out of the shadows and said "i'm here." superman looked suprised and said..."unusaul..i didn't hear you're heartbeat." batman said.."hgh. device worked." thats awesome shnit guys. batman and superman are like cousins. they are so different...complete opposites...yet they have an unbelieable amount of love and respect for one another. and while batman trusts superman tremondously and vice/versa, the dark knight is ready to take out superman if it ever comes to it. and he believes firmly in the possiblity for the world to one day become to small for both of them...and he isn't going anywhere. my point is that the movie should reflect all of much as i would love to see that beautiful scene where a beaten down...gritty 55 year old man with his head being the only visible part of his body while the rest is underneath the most complicated metallic armor anyone has ever seen, punching, kicking and standing over the bloody beaten body of superman...putting his hands around his throat choking him...squeezing the very life out of him...saying to his face..."i want you to remember all you're most private moments, i want you to remember the one man...who beat you." i only want to see it in a movie called THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. i don't want to see in this new movie. heck i hate to copy everyone else..but peterson should really study paul dini's work. i mean jeez, they're "World's Finest" movie was the best non comic book pairing of the two ever created. supeman and batman are perfect in that movie. they way they meet for the first time is awesome. with batman about to beat the shit out of that informant and superman coming up from behind him putting his hand on batman saying.."he said he doesn't know, thats enough." and my man drops the guy, grabs superman's arm and flips him over onto a table. kick ass...superman flies into bats and knocks him into the wall...then uses his x-ray vision to see that its bruce wayne..."you peaked" batman utters as he walks up to superman's face.."i won't stand vigalatism in my town i.." then batman pulls out kryptonite and lets clark have a good look..."it doesn't take much does it? the joker has more of this...just thought you'd like to know." and when supes recovers batman is gone. kick ass. man i'm sorry for such a long post...i just get so worked up over batman stories. and village idiot is right, BATMAN is a tim burton movie...a damn good one...but it's not a batman film. not the true batman...the one we all want. and i say let darren afronsky do his sci-fi thing..wolfgang is ready to do this project now, so lets do it. it can't be worse or even as bad as BATMAN AND ROBIN...right?

  • July 11, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The real reason that this looks crap

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    is because I don't know what they will do in the film. I have no idea how they can pull this film off. So my fears of crapness are just arrogant. Please, someone help me out here.

  • July 11, 2002, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Superman losing to Batman?

    by Pksoze22

    In comics continuity they've never really fought. The works they did fight in were Elsewords and considered non canon. And I doubt they're adapting the DKR's wqork. And hopefully not the horrid DKSA crap Miller put out.And I'll tell you while you guys may get your rocks off on Bats pounding Supes I doubt the public would take it seriously. See Conan's spiel on it the other day. Sometimes I wonder why would people want to see a hero that really created the superhero genre lose. A hero that stands for what the best of humanity is about. The parallel between human/superhuman. The emotionless human with the compassionate Alien. The Aristocrat and the Farm boy. That's a good story. Not the drivel Frank Miller wote in their latest battle. If that's the quality you guys strive for. Then rewatch Schumacher's Batman films and you'll be reasonably satisfied.

  • July 11, 2002, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Jim Caviezel as Batman...

    by The Garbage Man

    Man, I'm pissed I didn't think of that first. Just look at The Count of Monte Cristo - admittedly, not the best adaptation ever, but Caviezel definitely embodied the raging vengeance of Dant

  • July 11, 2002, 2:49 p.m. CST

    What's going to come of McG's Superman?

    by axelfoley

    Warner Bros. have done nothing good other than the first two Superman and Batman films. Casting Call: Brendan Fraser for Superman and Matt "He shoulda been Daredevil" Damon as the Dark Knight.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:04 p.m. CST

    "In comics continuity they've never really fought."

    by Strawhenge

    Think about that for a second. Statements like this are what is so maddening about the "continuity police". Does it remind you of "Real dragons are intelligent and talk"? Me too. It also reminds me of the old Superman and Batman stories which were the forerunners of the modern "Elseworlds" tales. You know, the ones where Lex Luthor would finally succeed in killing Superman or Batman marries Catwoman and they have litter of costumed brats. These stories would all be touted as "imaginary" on the comics' covers. This always seemed ludicrous to me. Aren't ALL the stories "imaginary"? Yep, I'm pretty sure they are. Damn, if only the writers had had the foresight to simply show the characters dreaming or some such thing to explain the events of the stories, we would today be spared the pointless arguments which spring from statements like "In comics continuity they've never really fought." Absurd! Meaningless! Of course they've fought. On countless occasions. Does the arbitrary fact that they've possibly never fought within the narrow, nebulous, constantly-shifting confines of so-called "current continuity" somehow render null and void the stacks of comics lovingly stored in the rear of my closet or the myriad adventures warehoused in the rear of my brain? No. It does not.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:19 p.m. CST

    bummer about Robin...

    by agentclock

    i was hoping he was killed early on in the film...being the act of violence that sends Batman over the edge... Billy Cruddup is better suited for Batman...not Superman...and as for Sups...i'll say it again...Jude Law...he is near perfect for this role....given the jet black hair dye and let him workout a bit...

  • July 11, 2002, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Casting Worlds Finest Possibilities,,,

    by badboymason

    Would be the best choice to see a Fight Club reunion with Ed Morton's Superman taking on Brad Pitt's Batman??? They both have the build, Norton has the acting ability to pull off the duality of Kent/Supes, and Pitt would be very believable as a playboy-style Bruce Wayne, and has the intensity to do Bats aswell. ---- Or not so good but would be interesting to do DKR-style with Mel Gibson or Bruce Willis as an aging Bats clashing with Tom Cruise's still youthful-looking Superman, in DKR the Kent secret ID isnt really an issue to pull off.... --- Or as I think they will do go for the young guns with people like Guy Pearce + Colin Farrell.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Casting PS

    by badboymason

    Oh, and Christian Slater should be the Joker...feel free to shoot that one down...

  • July 11, 2002, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Why get excited, THIS MOVIE WILL NEVER BE MADE!!!!!!!!!!

    by Monkeybrains

    Yeah, it sounds like a fun idea, (I'd go see it). But its never going to happen. The studios are hyped because comic book movies are the "IT" of the current moment. Hell, every Marvel Character will be getting his/her own movie, if you believe everything you read. But this movie will cost a fortune to be made correctly. And the studios have to realize the you have to put a budget inyo these things, or you end up with the Captain America/F.F./Punisher movies of the '80's which everyone hated. So, this movie will have to be budgeted at around $150 mill. ...Then this will happen...One of these upcoming movies will tank, the studios will get all nervous thinking that the Comic Book Buzz is fading, and pull the plug on the movie before one frame is shot...I hope I'm wrong, but this seems to be how these things work. Plus if Jon Peter's is involved in anyway, its just going to be a mess.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I too will hold out hope for this

    by Aquafresh

    No real reason to be negative at this point. Jim Caveziel (sp?) is indeed an inspired choice for Batman. Clooney just seems too much of a chummy fratboy. Not enough brooding. Unfortunatley, my hope is waning for Daredevil. Did anyone else find that teaser to be weak? Affleck's giant head looks ridiculous sausaged into that mask. And has anyone here ever been to a wherehouse that has chain linked fences inside of it? Its something that exists only in the mind of Hollywood production designers. And it looks like half the scenes in the teaser were filmed in one. Lets hope they avoid this cliche in Superman vs. Batman.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Batman can fight Superman!!!

    by HobbitsOnCrack

    For those who say that Batman can't go up against Superman just because he's a "normal human", you're all wrong! And I can prove my point with one simple question - Who is Superman's archnemesis??? Hint: He is a normal human too!!!

  • July 11, 2002, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by Zen Man

    I am pretty sure that in recent episodes of JLA from DC comics, that Batman defeated the ENTIRE JLA (Superman included) after implementing contingency plans he established to defeat each of his JLA pals if the need ever arose. I can't recall the total details, but I am positive this happened. Can anyone confirm? Bottom line: Batman is much smarter and driven than Superman. He understands Superman's powers better than Superman does. He will happily exploit Superman's weaknesses. This would be a great film if done correctly. I can not wait to see it. This is the perfect way to wipe out the nightmare of the last few Batman and Superman films.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:54 p.m. CST

    No Robin?

    by ILoveEwksAndJJar

    This fucking sucks! Robin is an essential part in Batman's world. I'm not saying he should have a big action sequence, but just something to let us know he's there. If this takes place in a post 9-11 world, Robin should be there. I wonder how much they are going to use the Dark Knight Returns/Strikes Again as a reference. They better get this right!

  • July 11, 2002, 4:11 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on 'continuity'

    by Pksoze22

    I never said it rendered old teamups and battles null and void. But according to the writers and editors weaving heir adventures it hasn't occured. Batman also used to hang out with Scooby Doo. It doesn't mean that it will be acknowledged within the comics.And if other stories are not mentioned why should DKSA be mentioned as the official views of the characters? Its not. Its just as valid as those old WF's stories where Supes made Bats almost useless. Hell in a way I'm arguing against a rigid take on how their battle should go. I dont feel one story or another should really hold value in this movie. Hell I know continuity is fleeting. That's going to end one day as well. Maybe one day they'll be best friends again. It doesn't render null and void the stories of my youth. But it does show the writers have their own vision and takes that's deemed official. That may bother some. But I don't think its really a big deal.

  • July 11, 2002, 4:15 p.m. CST

    super fan

    by liljuniorbrown

    I'm excited but really scared cause if they F this up then we are all screwed for a while.It may cause alot of studios to ditch some of the comic movies in the works,and damn it i want to see the punsisher done right on the big screen.Brad Pitt has to be Bats because he's got the range to do the really messed up Bats that will suposedly be in this movie. Oh yeah,by the way Malcovich should be Luthor and definitley Mickey Rourke as the me it would work.

  • July 11, 2002, 4:21 p.m. CST

    and about the TITLE of the film...

    by agentclock

    The WORLD'S GREATEST working title they seemed to have earlier should stay...If they're gonna have Batman Vs. Superman, it should be the subtitle...World's Finest sounds like a girly title and about runway models battling it out. for the teaser trailer...imagine this...we see a close up of Batman's face ("Billy Cruddup as Batman" appears on the screen) before he leaps from a skyscraper, extending his cape...we see a close up of Superman as he looks up from the ground gritting his teeth, skyward at Batman ("Jude Law as Superman" appears on the screen) He takes off like an atom bomb. We see Batman and Superman race towards one another in one shot...just as they are about to collide...the title...World's Greatest appears on screen...

  • July 11, 2002, 4:30 p.m. CST

    World's Finest a "girly" title?

    by Strawhenge

    Don't let NY's Finest hear you say that.

  • July 11, 2002, 4:43 p.m. CST

    I hate to remind everyone but...

    by MrSmartypants

    The first Batman movie sucked. Looked great, yes. Jack was Great, Keaton great, but NO FUCKING STORY!!!! I hope batman vs Superman will be better but give the past few summers of winners like Pearl Harbor, Planet of the Apes, Men in Black 2, I don't think it will be.

  • July 11, 2002, 5:13 p.m. CST

    about the title...

    by agentclock

    all i am saying is that i think World's Greatest sounds like it has a bit more grit to it, rather than World's Finest...why does everyone have to be a wiseguy?

  • July 11, 2002, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Mr. Smartypants

    by taarrskye

    Get off the crack pipe. Buton's Batman = The opposite of sucking. `nuff NOT said, but whatever.

  • July 11, 2002, 5:52 p.m. CST


    by badboymason

    Black screen...voiceover... "Two men. Two heroes. Two legends. Fighting evil..." A light starts to shine. We see it is the bat-signal shining on a night-sky. We pan back, a figure stands on a building, cape fluttering, the figure slowly rises and we zoom in showing the familiar S shield shown on the cape. "Next summer they fight together..." BATMAN + SUPERMAN : WORLDS FINEST SUMMER 2004

  • July 11, 2002, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Duh,superman choice

    by liljuniorbrown

    Has to be Collin Ferral,but i guess with him doing daredevil it might piss a few geeks off.So why not have The guy that plays Angel as Batman and Christian Bale as superman.I think Jude Law could do it ,even though he dosn't have the look of the man of steel.The mans got range.Older Sups would be Bruce willis

  • July 11, 2002, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by Strawhenge

    If your tolerance for such is that low, you're in the wrong place. Nevertheless, "World's Greatest" may have a nice ring to it, but the book was called "World's Finest" and it DID run for 45 years. Give some props'.

  • July 11, 2002, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Viggo Mortensen as Batman? Hell yeah, Bitch!!!

    by Cash Bailey

    Aragorn like a motherfucker!!!

  • July 11, 2002, 7:50 p.m. CST


    by agentclock

    my tolerance isn't low...i'm just pointing out what a silly comparison you drew to try and belittle me...the fireman and the comic to film title have nare a thing in common..I'm slagging it as a film title...thats all...i'm not calling fireman girly...secondly...If i am not mistaken...the same characters were also in a title called World's Greatest...i just don't like that the Finest title...plain and simple...I never did...and i'm not giving props to a title i dislike...the comic may be great...but I always thought the title was ass

  • July 11, 2002, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by Flexfill

    I'm no authority on Superman or Batman, so please don't crucify me! I do, however, love the idea of this film done right. What if the narrative started with the battle from Dark Knight Returns, with our heroes as older men. From there, we could flashback to earlier incarnations of their existence. This film could be about the history of their relationship, how it went from good to bad. Or, how it went from bad to good. Maybe they clash for a lifetime, then absolve each other of their perspective sins. Perhaps they free one another from the burden and obligation to the world around them, or the consequences of guilt. The relationship between these two entities should be cathartic. Batman and Superman are different, of course. Their differences, their complexities, are exactly what make them wiser and more evolved for having known each other; having confronted the ambiguous reflection of one another. Batman should be Superman's iconoclast, and vice versa; not the villains. This story is not about the villains. It's about how two superheroes, each with his own steadfast ideology and philosophy, embrace the damage and imperfection deeply rooted in their own psyches. These two have both loved and lost, fought and won. They both have a unique perspective on each other and the world around them. Casting would be incredibly crucial. You'd need seasoned older actors for the present, and magnetic younger actors for the flashbacks. There are so many possibilities!

  • July 11, 2002, 8:22 p.m. CST

    From this setup, it seems Petersen is at least aware of the Worl

    by superninja

    He has to be. All of the elements that he's describing, "lots of villians, no Robin, the bright Metropolis and Dark Gotham, the charaters at each other's throats at first, three female roles, dark and light sides of the same coin. Every single one of these elements is present in that animated movie. If they made an adaptation similar in scope, this could be a fantastic film. I'm starting to get excited about the idea of this.

  • July 11, 2002, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Andrew Kevin Walker's Treatment Review

    by Village Idiot

    Hey, VI again. I think this link may come in handY: it&#39;s the review of the treatment for the script, posted here on this site back in November. Behold and enjoy: <http://www.aintit> And delete the space between "it" and "cool": I put the break in to make sure the link didn&#39;t stretch the Talkback.

  • July 11, 2002, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by AICN fanboy dork

    The best choice to play Batman is the voice of Superman -- Tim Daly.

  • July 11, 2002, 9:20 p.m. CST

    So much to say...

    by Dicio

    Forgive me, but I&#39;m going to speak as if Batman and Superman are actual people as opposed to the figments of very talented minds&#39; imaginations. First of all, when it comes down to it, Batman and Superman are a pretty even match. Yeah, Superman is bulletproof, and shoots beams of concentrated heat from his eyes, yadda, yadda, yadda. But Batman is the most intelligent man alive. He even has Lex Luthor beat in the brains department. Superman isn&#39;t easy to kill, but he feels pain. Kryptonite, electricity, magic, solar radiation in the red wavelengths, and sonics are all pretty effective tools against big blue. Guess who knows this better than anyone? My complaint is, when these two go at it in the comics, it always seems like Superman never stands a chance. Personally, I&#39;d like for them to steer clear of using Kryptonite or red solar energy as means of leveling the playing field. It would be so cool to see Batman stay on even keel with Superman at full strength. And what&#39;s with the Robin bashing? I like the guy, give him a break. He doesn&#39;t need to be in this movie, but the Batman movie I&#39;ve been writing leaves the door open for a NightWing spinoff, so I don&#39;t need you Robin bashers queering the deal. (Again, I&#39;ll gladly post a synopsis of my Batman V if anyone is curious.) I wish I had a dream cast in mind but I don&#39;t. Except to say that my pick for Lois Lane is Linda Fiorentino.

  • July 11, 2002, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by Pksoze22

    That flashback idea is very cool. That would be an awesome way to make the movie.

  • July 11, 2002, 9:57 p.m. CST


    by TomVee

    Cavaziel and Crudup sound like a decent pairing for this. Cavaziel made an impressive Count of Monte Cristo, a forerunner to the Bats.

  • July 11, 2002, 10:07 p.m. CST


    by TomVee

    I too like the idea of Viggo M., but he is tied up with another movie franchise that will consume him for the next five or 10 years.

  • July 11, 2002, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one disturbed by crossovers?

    by Darth Wiggum

    I hate to show my lack of geek sophistication, but I always thought that crossovers were the considered the epitome of fanfic trash. Like Transformers vs GI Joe or Star Wars vs Star Trek. I dunno, the movie could be great, but it just seems wierd.

  • July 11, 2002, 11:46 p.m. CST

    more of the same

    by BatVomit

    I really wish I could feel optimistic about Batman vs Superman like some of the posters here. It must be nice to have that kind of blind idiotic faith. There have been no superhero movies worth two tugs of a dead dog&#39;s cock since the original Superman movie. Seriously you guys...When has Warner Brothers NOT released a film that was not a complete and total abomination? It&#39;s sad and I hope that I&#39;m wrong, but I don&#39;t think Hollywood has the imagination or inclination to do a good comic book film. I think the Ghost Rider movie might be good if it ever gets off the ground, but I don&#39;t hold much hope for anything else...

  • July 11, 2002, 11:47 p.m. CST


    by antmanx68

    The ONLY KNOWN actors who I would have play batman would be Jim Caviesel or Christian Bale.... both good actors and Bale is just the motherfucker. Joker i&#39;d say Jude Law, or ANDY DICK! Naysayers take note, I&#39;m right. For Superman I have always kinda envisioned Brendan Frasier but the idea doesnt sit well with me. Lois would have to be either Courtney Cox, or Jenna Elfman, MAYBE tia Leonne but she&#39;s annoying.

  • July 12, 2002, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Howe Long/Superman VS. George Clooney/Batman

    by JDanielP

    Hey, ... Howe Long ("Broken Arrow"/"Firestorm"/Radio Shack commercials with former Lois Lane),having the Superman hair, certainly would look the part and has acting possibilities. "Great Scott!" "Great Krypton!" And the contractually bound George Clooney CAN in fact portray an intense, obsessed and driven Batman. I can see Howe Long and George Clooney sharing the screen in this major superhero film.

  • July 12, 2002, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Let&#39;s play "COUNT THE DILLWEEDS!"

    by god1138

    Here&#39;s a list of people WHO CAN&#39;T UTILIZE THEIR READING AND ANALYTICAL SKILLS WORTH A SHIT: LUKE WILLSCARLET SHARONBDD1 KIELLAND Each of you, RIGHT NOW, go back and REREAD the part about "Matt Damon was just mentioned as the type of actor Petersen was interested in, not as any sort of firm choice." Did you not get the point of this post yet? NO ONE - INCLUDING WOLFGANG PETERSEN HIMSELF - said that Matt Damon was going to get cast. The problem with these goddamned talk back forums is there are TOO MANY MORONS who never stop to read between the lines, thereby injecting their posts with absurd conclusion-jumping suggestions and rash stupidity. NEXT TIME YOU POST, READ THE ARTICLES IN FULL FIRST and make sure you hear it LOUD AND CLEAR! It will save everyone else here from having to deal with your own shortcomings and lack of analytical skills by virtue of not having to read your off-base and completely ignorance-filled posts. By the way, if I missed anyone else, I apologize, but THE SAME APPLIES TO YOU, TOO! On to the more topical post, Petersen is a great director who I respect and know will likely do a great job. Hopefully, with a great script and the right casting choices, this will not turn out to be another WB belly-flop like those stupid Akiva Goldsman / Joel Schumacher PIECES OF THEATRICAL SHIT that were Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. Schumacher, despite any of his apologies, can still suck my balls for ruining the stand-alone Batman franchise. Those movies sucked Donkey Balls and ate Hankeys. Now, fanboys, sit back and relax. We&#39;re in for a wait, and I sure as hell hope any of the naysayers reserve their opinions on this flick until AFTER they see it. Some people may think this is going to be a foolish movie that will suffer a horrible box office death, but REALLY, do you think after what Raimi pulled with Spider-Man that ANY studio - WB included - would just send a major tentpole super-hero movie out the gates that would fall far short of the glory of Spider-Man? I doubt it. Spider-Man&#39;s success has set a standard for everyone else to live up to - there&#39;s a lot to be proven by any other studios here - and I seriously doubt any studio exec would just half-ass this movie and let it rip onto screens if it turned out to be a Batman & Robin repeat. Have a little faith in this, SHUT THE HELL UP, and get ready to see a new version of Batman and Superman on the big screen. Reserve your negativisms until you&#39;ve seen it and then if you hated it, bitch all you want. God out.

  • July 12, 2002, 1:53 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m hoping we&#39;re going to see a new version of Superman

    by superninja

  • July 12, 2002, 1:58 a.m. CST


    by superninja

    A new version of Superman and Batman from a film aspect. Peterson should take a page from the World&#39;s Finest animated movie, and build on it. Let&#39;s leave the past in the past. Partculary with Batman. This is an opportunity to see what Batman is all about. As much as they could screw it up, Petersen&#39;s description of Batman is closer to the comics than the movies.

  • July 12, 2002, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Who should play the parts of Supes and Bats...

    by Modern Man

    It is sort of ironic to think that my choices to play two of America&#39;s most iconic characters are not Americans... Christian Bale IS Bruce Wayne/Batman....the bastard is so good he could phone this one in..just rent American Psycho and then get back with me... Superman is tougher though. I mean who could do as good a job as Christopher Reeves did? I think Guy Pierce has the looks and talent to pull Supes off. I was watching L.A. Confidential and could stop thinking how "Clark Kent" he looked in the film, with his glasses and slicked up hair. Plus Pierce has enough charm for Big Blue as well....just my thoughts though....I would rather see a Batman Year One with Bale much more anyway.

  • July 12, 2002, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Hail to Frank Miller

    by Frankenweenie

    What is wrong with Batman: Year One? Nothing! Why won&#39;t this be made? I was actually looking forward to see if Darren Aronofsky could take Batman back to good old Tim Burton style, and as far away from Joel Schumacher as possible.

  • July 12, 2002, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Tim Burton.

    by whomod

    <<<I was actually looking forward to see if Darren Aronofsky could take Batman back to good old Tim Burton style>>> "Good old Tim Burton style??? Sorry to disagree with you old sport but I was hoping Batman: Year 1 could get as far away from BOTH Burton and Shumaker! What i want is for Batman: year 1 to get closer to Batman&#39;s actual comic book roots which have nothing to do with the ego&#39;s of "quirky" directors or lard arsed fading screen legends. that and no more Viki Vale in the Batcave, no Batman dispatching henchmen with a murderous streak, no wanting to reveal secret-identity after some offscreen sex, no useless Jim Gordon who chastises Batman for not responding to what should be his Dept&#39;s fookin&#39; job in the first place!, no immovable Batsuit, no henchmen frying exhaust pipe, no "reimagined" villians for the sole reason of having some stars ego sated by allowing him to play "wacky" and camp (because after all this is a comic book movie so no need to actually use any actual acting ability). Need I go on?? Give me a cool action movie, detective yarn, slugfest, crime noir tale, batarang throwing, roof perching, cable gliding cape furling peice of magic and i&#39;ll be happy. And I think that Darren Aronofsky can do that. I HIGHLY doubt that he&#39;ll actually dust off the black lights and give us a stupid Burton film.

  • July 12, 2002, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Anyone feel like I do, that these two supes should be shelved fo

    by billz3bub

    I&#39;m going to ramble a little. Remember the good old days when our superheroes were actually interesting, and grounded in reality by the people who played them? Superman was Christopher Reeves, and Batman was Michael Keaton. As a kid/teenager, that was cool to know who your superheroes were, or at least who would be playing them in the next installment. Does anyone really want to see our national treasures being played by a fricking Affleckoid? Not me. How can a quality series be built around high quality characters if the part is so easily up for grabs? James Bond for me was Roger Moore. Now I know most people would say James Bond was Sean Connery, and I won&#39;t argue that, but I&#39;m talking about my when I grew up. Used to be that Hollywood would let these ideas lie for a good long while, let them become interesting again for a whole new generation, or at least give the past versions the respect of distance they deserve. For Christ&#39;s sake, the first Batman came out when I was 17. I&#39;m thirty now, and after three semi-lame to downright fucking worthless sequels with various facemen in the role, I really really don&#39;t want to see him much anymore. Superman died the same pathetic death of overexposure too, but somehow Reeves stuck it out till the end. I know this push to bring the DC elite back comes from the success of Spiderman, and, god save us, the pigeonheaded marketing guys know that when one type of movie strikes it rich, you damn well better get 30 more of the same type out there to suck every last drop of money and decency out of the thing. I get the feeling that Hollywood works on a faster clock than we normal people have, and that maybe they know something about when the end of the world is going to come. Why else would they be in such a hurry to push these stories out? It&#39;s like, "oh SHIT! We let a few precious years go by without a goddam Batman movie!" The rush is not about telling quality stories, folks. It&#39;s about the timing. I&#39;m not saying these new movies won&#39;t be good, or can&#39;t be good. I&#39;m saying that for the most part, whether or not they provide quality entertainment, they will continue to be made until the studios decide they won&#39;t. All I have left to say is, this movie and the Batman Year One movie had better totally and absolutely, completely annihilate the movies I grew up with in terms of scope, heart, action, writing, art design and effects, or, for fucking all the oily fucking coffee in Starbucks, you had better stop wasting our bloody motherfucking time! Got it!?! FUCK FUCK FUCK! Okay I&#39;m done. Wait--FUCK! Now I&#39;m done.

  • July 12, 2002, 3:59 a.m. CST

    lets lighten it up

    by eevyl about georger michael as batman and the irrating gay guy from will & grace for it off with david hasselhoff as the love interest.

  • July 12, 2002, 4:03 a.m. CST

    but seriously

    by eevyl

    colin farrell for the smooth/dark batman and matt damon as the chumpy superman.

  • July 12, 2002, 4:14 a.m. CST

    How can Batman beat Superman

    by Steal_Dragon

    The only way is that Superman flys to Gotham and a Red Sun thing happens or Batman throws either a green, white, red, or yellow kryptonite bomb at him.

  • July 12, 2002, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Keaton is the only true Batman and Burton made the only decent B

    by darthflagg

    Remember that before you bash Burton just for not sticking exactly to the comic history.

  • July 12, 2002, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Re: Tim Burton

    by Frankenweenie

    Offcourse i&#39;d like to see Batman the &#39;crime-noir&#39;cartoon way. The way it should. What I meant was that Shumacher oversized the whole glorified-colourful-in-your-face-childrens comics-aspect. While Tim Burton at least held the Batman-feel in the dark and gloomy. Besides I really like Danny Elfmans work.

  • July 12, 2002, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Here I go, sticking my face in the fan again.

    by MisterKrunchy

    Hey, folx. You know, I&#39;m really no different than the rest of you. I thought BATMAN AND ROBIN was akin to sucking on a turd losenge. But, I am still a huge fan of the man with the bat on his chest, and Supes is pretty cool too, and as we have a couple projects that are apparently heading our way featuring them both, I&#39;d just thought I&#39;d stick on a big, glowing target and say....give &#39;em chance. You never know what may happen. See, Bats and Supes are just cool concepts, 20th century answers to past culture&#39;s heros. We don&#39;t believe in Hercules, but here we have The Man of Steel. And crime-fighting vampires have been out of vogue for quite a while, but Bats is here to take up the slack. What I&#39;m saying is that there is terrific potential, no matter how badly the producers may try to blow it. Really. Think of the scene in BATMAN AND ROBIN where Mr. Freeze is stuck in Arkahm Asylum. In the one instance of creativity and integrity in that whole, turgid experience, the action slows down to show Freeze, who is longing after his potentially dead wife. He holds a gently spinning maquette of her in his hands, a freakish behemoth trying to prolong the life of the most beautiful, intricate snowflake to ever fall from the heavens. The pain and frustration is so much, that he tries to weep - only to have the single tear he can muster freeze on his skin and blow away. That&#39;s pathos, folx, and even though Uma Thurman slams through with that ridiculously bad Mae West impression seconds later, ya gotta admit that if the whole film was done like that, it would have been a classic along the lines of M or the orginal Dracula. Maybe these Hollywood jokers have learned their lesson and deserve another chance. Or, maybe they deserve a severe horsewhipping. Whatever the outcome, lets save our litany of negative comments - and our resultant reactions- til after the films have come out, okay?.................uh, except for WONDER TWINS. That&#39;s gonna suck.

  • July 12, 2002, 5:13 a.m. CST

    "chumpy superman"?

    by McSpankerson

    eevyl you need to reconsider your definition of chumpy. getting sick after 2 beers, cumming prematurely when masterbating, letting girls beat you up; these are things one does not associate with superman. discussing comic book heroes on the web now that&#39;s another prime example of "chumpy" and don&#39;t bother pointing out the irony you chumps.

  • July 12, 2002, 1:11 p.m. CST

    "X vs. Y" and "Post-September 11th"

    by Andel Crodo

    This sounds like a formula for one of my favorite one-issue story arcs involving the two. Yes, as other TB&#39;ers have mentioned, "versus" may not mean they engage in a scrap; it could be an allusion of how the two take different approaches toward the same goal. Can&#39;t remember the title, but anyone here recall an ish where BM sez to Supes, "If you don&#39;t do [insert something here] an innocent Gotham citizen shall die tonight." All along, BM was wearing the bomb that would spell his doom and he tossed it to Supes at the end of the book. Now, tell me that wouldn&#39;t have a hard impact in this "Post September 11th world."

  • July 12, 2002, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Stop beating Tim up!!

    by ChibiRocketX

    Ok, ok timmy boy hasn&#39;t really been on the mark with the past couple of movies he&#39;s made (planet of the apes arrrgh). But I LIKED his batman. It was what made me want to see more batman (i was umm...5 @ the time) and tim burton movies. Anyway, I&#39;m rambling. But Aragorn (can&#39;t remember his name..viggo) would be an interesting choice for bats. Johnny Depp would make a cool joker..but James Marsden has the head..Anywho, this movie will be interesting either way...

  • July 12, 2002, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Am I missing something? I thought Superman was , like, really po

    by Tarl_Cabot

    How exactly is this "battle of titans going to be competitive?

  • July 12, 2002, 6:49 p.m. CST

    here&#39;s what I think they should do...

    by screenplaywriter

    Michael Keaton as Batman Dean Cane as Superman Jeff Goldblum as Scarecrow (and here&#39;s why the villian has never been seen yet and it would be cool to see him wreaking havoc on Gotham) Mark Hamill as The Joker (with the voice, the persona, a little bit of makeup touches, the green hairdo, and the red lips he could pull it off nicely) Martin Short as the Mad Hatter (screw Lex Luthor and them if you added these three villians together along with the person who played Harley Quinn on the animated series only in costume you would have a deadly threesome, or foursome able to wreak mass destruction and chaos over Gotham and Metropolis.) Teri Hatcher, or Courtney Cox as Lois Lane Correct me if I&#39;m wrong, but there&#39;s your cast...

  • July 12, 2002, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Get Woody Allen to direct

    by Canis

    Entire film: Batman and superman sitting on a park bench discussing their own personal problems and analysing there need for dark/menacing bright/camp clothing. Seriously Bale as Batman...I like the sound of it he can come across as menacing, intelligent, buff and lets face it the guy is gorgeous (bastard) and hey the guy can act. Superman, "yawn" Reeve was great in the role and knew exactly how to play the character within the tyle of the films but you can&#39;t deal with superman well unless you do it tongue in cheek, the guy is just too hard.

  • July 13, 2002, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Batman VERSUS Superman ( or JLA&#39;s too expensive )

    by Jack Ryder

    I was kind of looking forward to this ( or any Warners comic based movie ) but when they give it the " tentative " title with a Vs. , that kind of spells out it&#39;s Superman AGAINST Batman ( that&#39;s what Vs. means. ). what bugs me is that this reeks of " oh well we can&#39;t make a movie with one of them work , so we&#39;ll just put&#39;em both in one movie and people will go see it just because A. it&#39;s sounds too cool . B. I can&#39;t believe they put them both in one movie . and recognition . and get over this Matt Damon bitching . he said a " Matt Damon type " not , get me Matt Damon now ! and don&#39;t hold your breath looking for the old crusty Darknight Batman . no way is Warners gonna&#39; risk losing a major audience demographic by featuring old superheroes . and stop going back to Kryptonite , Kryptonite , Kryptonite ! by that logic snoopy can beat Superman . and it doesn&#39;t say much for Batman&#39;s genius . p.s. Ocho , lots of wharehouses have chain linked fences in them .espeaceily if their bonded . and those scenes in the teaser were filmed in L.A. warehouses . p.s.s. agentclock ," World&#39;s Greatest " is the Fantastic Four . p.s.s.s. God1138 , you must have Hollywood confused with something that cares about living up to standards and not jumping on a bandwagon . or did I miss all the great Sci-Fi movies after Star Wars hit it big ? p.s.s.s.s ( sorry ) billz3bub , there was never really any break in-between the different Bonds . and are you saying people who are 12 to 25 now don&#39;t deserve their Batman and Superman ? and if they let Batman & Robin be the last word in Batman there may never be any interest in another one .

  • July 13, 2002, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Primus Is Dead-On Right

    by Barron34

    Jim Caviezel for Batman and Billy Cruddup for Supes is genius casting. Wish I&#39;d thought of them. E-mail Peterson and Warner&#39;s right away and tell them to cast them!

  • July 13, 2002, 12:03 p.m. CST

    caviezel IS batman

    by bright

    I&#39;m telling you, Caviezel is the bat-choice. tall, in shape, those lazer-beam eyes and brooding aura, a damn fine actor.. for superman.... jude law?

  • July 13, 2002, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Howe Long IS Superman.

    by JDanielP

    Is there anyone else out there who believes that Howe Long could make a great Superman???

  • July 13, 2002, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Clooney as a "brooding" Batman.

    by JDanielP

    He could be great opposite Howe Long as Superman.

  • July 13, 2002, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Howie Long...Superman?

    by Barron34

    Howie Long is actually not a bad choice..dye his hair black...but can the guy act..In any case, I am still in favor of Billy Cruddup. The guy has the look, conveys an intelligence (which should not be absent in a good portrayalof Superman...see Chris Reeves excellent work). Howi long seems like a big, dumb lug, not very bright. Cruddup is very intelligent, and conveys that silently in his portrayals, when they call for them. Plus, he is a damn chameleon actor. I think that he would be great, positively great, as Superman, and also, to the point, Clark Kent.

  • July 13, 2002, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Here&#39;s how the story should start out and who should be who

    by screenplaywriter

    My idea for the movie: A new villian has arose, his name is The Scarecrow (played by Jeff Goldblum) he has developed a chemical substance that can make you see your deepest fears, or your darkest nightmares. The Scarecrow teams up with a man name Gervase also known as The Mad Hatter (Martin Short) to wreak havoc upon Gotham, but stories and rumors have been reported that The Joker (Mark Hamill because he has the voice, if you just add makeup, red lipstick, and dye his hair green he could make it as The Joker) is still alive and well and is living in Metropolis. Lex Luthor is out of the Superman-hunting business, he has given up on trying to capture Superman after so many failed attempts to do so. Batman (Michael Keaton) sees that he is needed to do some investigating, while Dick Grayson now known as Nightwing (Chris O&#39; Donnell) takes care of things at home. While Batman is away he meets up with Superman and they find The Joker, but find out he is in cohorts with the two mad men The Mad Hatter and The Scarecrow and are planning on building a weapon that can kill you just by seeing your nightmares come to life before your eyes. Nightwing is captured, but Superman rescues him. Batman chases after the three crooks, only seeing that he needs more help than he can get so he takes the assistance of Superman once again, one last time... Tell me that wouldn&#39;t be a perfect premise, or a perfect concept to the new "Batman Vs. Superman" Movie.

  • July 14, 2002, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Nope, sorry...

    by Modern Man

    Screenplaywriter, I agree your premise would be good for the movie if it were animated, but as a live action movie? No. In my humble opinion, casting Jeff Goldblum and Martin Short would be a mistake. I fear they would camp it up too much. This movie is supposed to be a fresh start, so having Chris O&#39;Donnel or George Clooney would bog it down (and remind us all of the Batman and Robin disaster.) Are you the one who suggested Howe Long as Superman? I agree he has the built, but no screen presence whatsoever. Sorry. Your basic premise isn&#39;t bad, but I would rather see a more serious approach with younger and more talented actors such as: Jude Law, Guy Pierce, Christian Bale, Paul Rudd, and the many others mentioned earlier... Besides, this movie won&#39;t be made anyway....and if it will why even bother.

  • July 14, 2002, 8:36 a.m. CST

    It&#39;s time for a real Super Hero Sequel

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Mystery Men 2. Seriously...Cheers

  • Aug. 6, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST

    You&#39;re forgetting something...

    by dare_devil

    Jon Peters is the producer on this movie. End of discussion. This movie will suck balls.