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Wolfgang Petersen comes out about SUPERMAN VS BATMAN!!! Plus lots of info on ENDER'S GAME!!!

"We are very pleased that Wolfgang Petersen is bringing his considerable talent to this newest episode of two of our most important franchises. In his hands, 'Batman vs. Superman' will carry forward the Warner Bros. superhero tradition."
Lorenzo di Bonaventura
from Hollywood Reporter

Let's hope not. Hey folks, Harry here. I believe that Lorenzo wasn't talking about SUPERMAN IV and BATMAN & ROBIN, but the better Warner titles... and since he said 'carry forward' that would mean being better than what came before.

Variety and The Hollywood Reporter both are running stories this morning concerning BATMAN VS SUPERMAN. Well back on June 25th, we learned that the film had been given a greenlight to move forward according to our spy, the captain. Click Here To Re-Read That Story! What we found tonight was that Wolfgang was spilling some details over at Hollywood Reporter to Zorianna Kit - she did a great job! Here ya go:

First we learn that there will be '3 great parts for women', that the film will take place in both Metropolis and Gotham City. Apparently the tone of these two cities are the principles of the movie, "which reflects what life is all about." Next Zorianna's story said:

"There will be a conflict between the heroes. "Superman stands for what is powerful, clear, bright, noble and just; Batman is dark, obsessive and vengeful," Petersen said. "Because they are so different, they will inevitably end up clashing. It will be a battle of the titans."

Although the two crime-fighters will team up against evildoers, each will experience his own inner conflict. "They both go through some kind of a crisis," Petersen said. "Superman has an unwavering belief in what is right and wrong and it's just not that simple anymore in today's world, while Batman is on a path of self-destruction. He reacts to an act of incredible violence in a way that almost puts him over the edge." "

Meanwhile, over at Daily Variety, Dana Harris got Wolfgang to say:

"It is a clash of the titans," Petersen told Daily Variety. "They play off of each other so perfectly. (Superman) is clear, bright, all that is noble and good, and Batman represents the dark, obsessive and vengeful side. They are two sides of the same coin and that is material for great drama."

Now, in both articles they state that while they are aiming for a 2004 release date, but that the film doesn't have a start date, our spy told us the plan inside Warners is to start shooting in February 2003, and with Wolfgang asserting that he'd have the two heroes cast in the next 2-4 weeks, and saying that he isn't after stars as much as he is after the RIGHT ACTORS for the parts... Well, that sounds potentially pretty cool.

The articles also state that this is not a part of either franchises' established history, but an entirely new franchise. It also stated that Warners is continuing to move forward with Aronofsky's BATMAN YEAR ONE and McG's SUPERMAN. Due to the listening devices around the Warner lot, I know that they are planning on a Batman film as the first offshoot from this BATMAN VS SUPERMAN. Andrew Kevin Walker's script for BATMAN VS SUPERMAN is now my number one wish to read!

Meanwhile, some have been asking about Wolfgang Petersen's committment to ENDER'S GAME, well I got the following in on that as well...

Hi Harry, I don't have a lot of news, but I thought I would pass along some of the movie related news that Scott went over at Endercon (convention celebrating 25 years since Ender's Game the short story) this past weekend.

As is well known Wolfgang Peterson is attached to the project, but what is not as well known is how he became involved. He didn't get the script that Scott and company were shopping around, instead one of his assistants happened across the novel, fell in love with it, brought it to the office and had everyone else read it, including Wolfgang. Needless to say Wolfgang loved the novel and is now attached to direct (though it was ambiguous as to whether or not he has signed a contract yet), and it was Wolfgang that made Warner Bros. pick it up.

Scott is currently writing the third draft of the screenplay, and nothing else, right now. One of the key differences in this draft is instead of trying to focus the film solely on Ender's conflicts (which are largely internal) it will instead merge elements from both Ender's Game and the parallel novel Ender's Shadow. This creates a conflict/camaraderie between Ender and Bean that easily parallels the manipulations and conflicts of the adults that pushing for one or the other to be the final commander. Hearing Scott discuss this is a real treat, he is very passionate about the project, and there was no question in anyone's (at the con at least) mind that it would not be extraordinarily faithful to the spirit of the novels, although it will not be faithful to the exact text of the books.

There were a handful of interesting tidbits handed down about clauses Scott tried to get into the contract. I'll start with the positive.

One clause he did get into the contract is that there will be NO novelization, no kidís books, pared down versions of the novel, or a novel version of the script/film EVER. Scott is the only person who will ever write a book/story in the Enderverse and it is going to stay that way.

A second clause he did not get in was this; the races/nationalities of the children in the battleschool reflect, approximately and proportionally, the races/nationalities of the world. In other words only about 25% white, if that; it is after all a worldwide school, taking only the twenty brightest children, culled from the entire world, about every 3-6 months. He was flat out told "Not a chance in hell. There will be a handful of token characters from other races but every other child will be white." As the studio execs pointed out, if there are too many background characters that aren't white, white people will be afraid to go see it.

This sore point brought on a five-minute rant on Hollywood's racism. Interesting here is how he has had execs tell him that Mazor Rackham or Graff (main characters, and in one draft the same character) had to be white because they are the key adults, and no black actor can carry a big budget film alone. He tried to bring up Will Smith, but they smugly pointed out that Will Smith films only, ONLY, work because he is paired with a white guy for white people to go see. As OSC told them and us, people go to a Will Smith summer blockbuster to see Will Smith, not Jeff Goldblum! .

The other film related highlight came out of one of the scheduled events from the con. Stephen Sywak, a mechanical engineer, and Ethan Hurdus, a MIT aerodynamics student, put together an extensive and extraordinary presentation on the real life physics of the battleschool complete with 3D models and concepts of the most feasible design for the battleschool. OSC was so impressed with the presentation that he said about their brilliant idea for moving from the rotating station to the non-rotating battlerooms "In fact it's much better than any idea I came up with." He then proceeded to put them directly in touch with Wolfgang Peterson and his crew. He certainly knows how to take care of his fans. It would be a real shame if the film didn't use these designs as they are a perfect conceptualization of the school, and as scientifically and physically correct as the science displayed in 2001: A space odyssey (more so in fact, because the school has a non rotating hub for ships to easily dock to, as Steve put it, it's ridiculously difficult and time consuming to force every supply and personnel shuttle to have to spin or rotate to match the rotation of the school, as the ship that docks with the space station does in 2001).



Racism at Warner Brothers? Couldn't be.....

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  • July 9, 2002, 5:37 a.m. CST


    by Glynyfaron

    Okay, I'm thinking Will Smith for Superman and Martin Lawrence for the part of Batman. And why not?

  • July 9, 2002, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Batman vs Superman could potentially be the single biggest piece

    by Coatsy UK

    ...then again, if everything comes together it could actually work. This project still raises many doubts in my mind. Aronofsky making a Batman picture still fills my heart with joy, but "McG" and Superman... i'll say no more than that subject.

  • July 9, 2002, 5:50 a.m. CST


    by Coatsy UK

    Say no more "on" that subject....

  • July 9, 2002, 6:06 a.m. CST

    casting for Superman...

    by agentclock

    I think Jude Law would make a terrific Superman...hes one hell of an for Batman...not sure about that one...maybe Christian Bale...if they were going younger, then maybe Josh Hartnett...if the Joker makes an appearance...i say Tim Roth all the him in Four Rooms...he has it in spades...

  • July 9, 2002, 6:12 a.m. CST

    3 Great Parts For Women

    by Son Of Batboy

    Tits and Ass #1, Tits and Ass #2, Tits and Ass #3. So from their description I take it Superman is a wide eyed dumbass and Batman's a raving psychopath. How much you wanna bet you'll forget this flick by the time you reach the parking lot? The only "franchise" they care about are the ones selling burgers and fries.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Superman vs. Batman casting

    by Nastywhacks

    To the poster who suggested Will Smith and Martin Lawrence and said why not... just 3 words: Wild Wild West. Of course, when the next Shaft film stars Mike Myers, I'll point out the same thing....

  • July 9, 2002, 6:25 a.m. CST

    As far as i can recall, the Warnet Bros. superhero tradition is

    by scorpio2nd

    The tradition is to set everything up in the first, very entertaining, if lacking a little substance, first film. Always have two villians (maybe even squeeze in a third who doesn't talk properly). The heroes must wear completley new costumes in subsequent sequels, purely to sell more toys (mother in toys r us: you have a batman action figure dear. child: no, i want THAT one). Also, the second film must have a troubled history resulting in a film which is not all it could have been. The sequels afterwards must suck donkey balls, eventually killing off the franchise by the fourth film. That's the proud Warner's superhero tradition.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Wasn't Jake Lloyd mentioned a few years back as the being th

    by Monkey_King

    as long as the film doesn't end up like Andrew Kevin Walker's script for X-Men, I'll be there.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:26 a.m. CST

    I dont get it........not at all....

    by McKenzieFrenzy

    does Batman make a batarang out of kryptonite? how else does he stand a chance? and ender's game is overated.... the whole point of the book was the revelation that the battle games the kids had been playing at school were real life conflicts in space against the Buggers.......i guarentee they'll want to put these action sequences in at the start of the second act and thus completely wreck the'll turn into a big moral conflic decision making process for ender instead of the moral mind fuck revelation that was the books only high point. What would be infinatly more interesting is a movie based on a bunck of geek boys playing starcraft or some other RTS and the gradual realisation that they were actualy in controll of vast armies. Kind of last starfighter v's Neverending story.....the geek boys take controll of their lives and save the far off universe which they are eventualy transported to.......come to think of it there would be certain "Narnia" overtones too.....and the whole thing would be a hell of a lot more fun than watching some snot nosed brat x2 fuch around in a VR program.....

  • July 9, 2002, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Nastywhacks you silly son of a bitch

    by Glynyfaron

    Did you actually think I was seriously suggesting Martin Lawrence be Batman. Get a grip, lad.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I'm not familiar with Walker's script for x-men, what wa

    by scorpio2nd

  • July 9, 2002, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Billy Crudup for Superman!

    by Primus

    He's a great actor, and has the look of ol' Supes. As for Batman, they could do worse than bringing back Clooney. If he was up for it... Mel Gibson would be a good one too.

  • July 9, 2002, 7:12 a.m. CST

    And for the record . . .

    by ol' painless

    Remember that Mazer Rackham is a MAORI in Ender's Game(like Temuera Morrison) Don't call any Maori 'Black" or they will quite legitimately give you The Bash. And on Warner Bros with their Whites Only fetish: if this is true, it is just about the most disgusting thing that I have read about the bastards who run the film industry in Hollywood. God, I can just imagine those suited white scumbags sneering and smirking at Orson Scott Card as they gave their little "This Is the Way It Is" speech to him. What a complete pack of fucking bastards. The kind of fucking bastards who pay lip service the equality as long as they think it will make them money, then go out and vote for George W Bush, and buy shares in Worldcom. These are the guys in charge, folks. On what grounds have they earnt this right?

  • This has the potential to kick all forms of ass! I hope Warner Bros. doesn't screw this thing up,... how can they, right? They've got Wolfgang Peterson and Andrew Kevin Walker talking about some very cool ideas for this project. Jesus Christ, we've got quite a schedule ahead of us... Daredevil, The Hulk, The Matrix sequels, X-Men 2, The Two Towers, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, another Star Wars in a few years, rumors (probably false) of a possible live-action Transformers flick, Freddy vs. Jason is going into production in two months and now we have a Batman/Superman film to look forward to?!?! I hope I don't get struck by a randon bolt of lightning any time soon.

  • July 9, 2002, 7:45 a.m. CST

    the 3 parts for women...

    by grahamisevil

    obviously lois lane is one of them...possibly catwoman as well? im praying one of them isn't batgirl...that would just be wrong.

  • Does anyone still actually expect Daredevil to be any good? Boy, TalkBack cynicism is rubbing off on me.

  • July 9, 2002, 7:51 a.m. CST


    by ApacheChief

    no batgirl unless they give her suit rubber nipples too

  • July 9, 2002, 7:51 a.m. CST

    What about DARTH VADER VERSUS BLADE?! Are you all completely ret

    by chuckrussel

    'nuff said!

  • July 9, 2002, 7:55 a.m. CST

    by joeypogi

    let me guess, they didn't want to do dark knight returns, coz of money or they don't want to deal with miller. so they rip off his idea and come out with this. though i think this movie will be in violation of everything that is holy, it is going to make a lot of money. gawd, i hate hollywood sometimes. i wish they would do aronofsky's batman though.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Ender, a commercial risk

    by VincentSpain

    great book, anyway.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Saul Rubinek as Superman

    by Pvt. Duke

    You know it.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Hollywood is so detached from the rest of the US

    by cncoyle

    That comment about a person of another color not being able to carry a movie is absolutely ridiculous. Here I am at work listening to a Louisville radio station and its movie commentary. They're talking about the success of MIB 2. They're saying that WIL SMITH owns the July 4th weekend--there isn't one mention of any other white guys at all. If they make Ender's game with mostly white kids, then Mr. Card should tell them, "Hell, no." As the Ender books are one of my favorite series (next to Dune, of course), there's no way anyone could even come close to capturing the wonderful detail that Mr. Card puts into his books. I know I'm in the majority, but I'd prefer there not to be a movie if ANY concessions have to be made.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Bruce Campbell as Superman & Christian Bale as Batman

    by DANZIGG

    I know some of may disagree but in hindsight he's better than Nic Cage. Campbell has that look and the voice. Bale would be a good choice beacuse of his look and acting ability. Someone earlier mentioned Tim Roth as the Joker that is a perfect in an ideal world it would be Mark Hamill. Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. But does this need to be made why not do a film after Smallville with there cast and Batman Year One why the rush?

  • July 9, 2002, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Would anyone else...

    by willscarlet

    like to see what Will Smith would make of Warner's opinion of his star power? BTW: I'd like to see Tom Selleck as Superman vs. Clint Eastwood or Harrison Ford as Batman. But then I wanted Tommy Lee Jones as Wolverine, I have a thing for aging heroes.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Let's see, sexism, racism... what are we missing here?

    by Fawst

    I'm having a minor struggle here... should I be happy that I am a WHITE MALE? Or should I be embarassed that studio execs have that mind set about my demographic? I'll go with the latter. And out of curiosity, what about Blade/2? Not the highest grossing movies ever, but certainly great, and CERTAINLY carried by a BLACK MALE LEAD. And don't give me that Kristofferson shit... I for one didn't go see the movies cuz of him.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST thanks?!

    by LordWeymont

    Why the hell is the WB thinking? Nuff said.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Billy Crudup for Superman?

    by Waff

    More like Billy Crudup for Batman.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Racism In Films


    Does anyone in this forum agree with what this guy is saying about white vs. minority characters? Will an American audience really not go and see a film if it has a black or Asian lead? I wonder if that's the same for us here in the UK? Sadly, most of our own films are so shite I don't bother watching them although we have recently had 'Bend It Like Beckham' whose main character is an Asian girl and that film did pretty damn well at the UK box-office. Maybe it's just a case of the audience not being able to relate as easily to characters with different cultural perspectives although the fact that everyone loved 'Priscilla Queen of the Desert' does not really support the cultural relevance argument. I think that the decision-makers in Hollywood are too shit scared of losing money on a film to take any real risks with what they are producing. Shame!

  • July 9, 2002, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Which white guy was Will Smith paired up with in Bad Boys?

    by Wee Willie

    Which, if memory serves, was a hit movie? What about Eddie Murphy. You're not telling me people went to see Beverly Hills Cop to see Judge Reinhold? What about Independance Day? Bill Pullman? Anyhow, about Superman and Batman. Pairing up superheroes works in comics. Not in movies. This sounds like a gigantic flopperoni. I can't wait to see a man in red tights do battle with a man in tight black leather. Sounds like the WWF. What's happened to our culture? Comic book movies are "A" list now. At least there's a decent director aboard. I can't see Mr. Peterson engaging in the neon Ice-Capades imagery that Mr. Schumacher was so fond of in his efforts at the Batman movies. All my whining aside, I hope Batman gets ahold of some Kryptonite and sends that flying boy scout back where he came from.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Three female roles....

    by bjmc1975

    Lois is obviously one of them. I'm guessing the second is Harley Quinn. The thrid... maybe Mercy (if they're following animated continuity?) Lana? Catwoman? Some random girlfriend for Batman?

  • July 9, 2002, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Ow! My Freakin' Eyes!

    by Aquatarkusman

    McG's Superman? What in the holy hell is THAT? Leave him to fish-eye lenses and Sugar Ray videos. Very bad!

  • July 9, 2002, 8:54 a.m. CST

    by Nastywhacks

    Glynfaron.. you silly S.O.B.... perhaps you fail to notice the same satire present in my response to your post....

  • July 9, 2002, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Yeah, they're looking for the right actors...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...providing that the right actors are Tom Cruise and Bruce Willis. sk

  • July 9, 2002, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by Badtz

    I've always felt Ender's Game would do much better as something like a TV series or even a long miniseries.. theres so much story there, and things are going to be left out of the film, like Peter and Valentine's subplot. Oh well, maybe it will still be OK. As for WB, screw them. You could come up with a million examples of non-white people carrying a film and they would never listen. I hope Orson can maybe get Petersen on his side and make the film the way he wants it done. BTW I think Will Smith was paired with hot white chick Tea Leoni in Bad Boyz.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:10 a.m. CST


    by JM Jedi

    David James Elliott ("JAG") as Superman. George Clooney as Batman. Deserves a chance to redeem himself with a real director who isn't out to make STARLIGHT EXPRESS:THE MOVIE (aka Batman and Robin).

  • July 9, 2002, 9:11 a.m. CST


    by Glynyfaron

    My sincere apologies, Nastywhacks. But please spell my name properly next time.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I've said it before and I'll say it again...

    by PriestYoungblood

    ...YOu fanboys need to get a GRIP!!! This is, once again, a fanboy dream come true. Superman & Batman? Wolfgang Peterson? The guy's a GREAT director! It's a GREAT concept! That hasn't even given word about actors or script, yet you're already trashing it. I mean, it's one thing to trash Drive Me Crazy, but this. . .this is a whole 'nother apple. Give it a chance. To paraphrase an old tb entry of mine - X-Men-everybody bitched, the movie rocked. Spider-Man - everybody bitched - the movie rocked. Blade 1 & 2 - everybody bitched, the movie (according to the majority) rocked. Do I have to fucking spell it out for you? Hold your fucking horses folks.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:30 a.m. CST

    A bunch of whiny, overindulged hypocrites

    by LeeScoresby

    You ask for more genre films. You get them. You ask for better quality. You get it. You ask for big name directors. You get them. You ask for bigger budgets, a faithful approach to the material, real actors in the roles, and you get them all. So................what happens? Does everyone get excited and start talking up the possibilities of a great Batman/Superman film with actual actors in the roles and a solid director at the helm? Nope. Course not. Rage on, bitter people. Let your anonymously hateful voices be heard. The studios owe you! They are your slaves! They should churn out nothing but untouched Hong Kong fighting flicks about Soccer and geek-approved SF films with casts, crew and script handpicked by a committee of over opinionated (and WAY overcaffinated) teenage males.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:36 a.m. CST

    racist hollywood

    by devil0509

    Surprise surprise surprise. Orson Scott Card is of course an wonderful writer, but kudos to him for having the balls to talk openly about that racist little encounter. Obviously the suits in hollywood are out of touch. Their idea that a non-white can't carry a big budget movie is silly. White America is becoming increasingly open to Black actors in lead roles. In addition to the examples people have given above, I'd add Denzel Washington in Training Day and both Rush Hour films. Does this mean that White America is race blind in movies? Hell no. For example, will we ever see a box office success featuring an Asian guy as a romantic lead? Not soon. The advances made by Black actors (both men and women) leading mainstream films is encouraging. Women of all races are having increasing success (Jennifer Lopez, Salma Hayek, Halle Berry, Zhang Ziyi). Latino and Asian men, however, still have trouble finding roles that are not ethnically defined (particularly Asian men leading films OTHER than martial arts flicks). The only thing Hollywood follows is money, so we, as fans, can change their minds over time by actively supporting films with some racial diversity in casting. But even with us fans, we've got a long way to go. When LOTR was casting a couple of years ago, I posted on this site that Denzel Washington might make a good Aragorn, only to be slaughtered for daring to suggest a non-white in the role. Funny enough, when an interviewer mentioned to Viggo Mortenson some of the other names that had been thrown around on fan sites to play Aragorn, the interviewer mentioned Washington. Mortenson was enthusiastic and said he thought Washington would have been great. The simple fact is that most roles in movies could be played by an actor of any race. But Hollywood is operating on the assumption not of their own racism, but of ours. When Hollywood actually looks past the skin every once in a while, we should support the effort if we ever want to see those morons change their racist way.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Forget actors, the only way to make a true comic book movie is C

    by TimBenzedrine

    Think of it- no actors running around in tights, no celebrity-villian chewing on the scenery, just the original characters the way they were drawn and written. Have Paul Dini and Bruce Timm write and storyboard it and then handle the movie like Final Fantasy. My god, it would be beautiful. (FF proved that this could be done- the movie failed because it had a weak story and ordinary characters that may as well have been live actors- but these characters are larger than life and the truth is there isn't an actor alive who could really do these characters justice.)Oh sure, you might be thinking, "all the stunts in Spider-Man were CGI and they looked cheezy as hell", you might think that, but that was only because you were expected to believe that he was alive actor when he obviously wasn't. Personally, I thought the CGI came closer to capturing the feel of the comic book world better than any stunt double ever could. Unfortunately, the two styles don"t blend together as seamlessly as advertized. BUT a fully digitized character in a fully digital world could give us a Superman that hasn't been seen on the big screen since the films of Max and Dave Fleischer.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Clint Eastwood as Superman and Paul Reubens as Batman

    by Jabbathenutt

    Why not?

  • July 9, 2002, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by LeeScoresby

    Are you psyched about this? With someone like Peterson at the helm, I know I am. I'd love to see Christian Bale as Batman and Billy Zane as Superman if they went "young". The whole world's fair concept that was reported here a while back sounded like a neat, sorta retro idea to wrap a film around. My call on the three big female roles? Lois Lane, Barbara Gordon, and Harleyquin. Just to finish off my rant from above, have you noticed how people here will snipe about the quality of the roles women are given in Hollywood, and then go on to drool over the latest Maxim babe in graphic detail? Pathetic.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale as Batman

    by Sci_Fi_Wasabe

    That's a great idea. Has the aristocratic looks of inherited money plus he can play the psychotic edge angle (American Psycho). Also, unlike a Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt, he's not as recognizable, providing the "relative unknown as super-hero" angle. I never heard of Tobey until Spiderman or Jackman until X-Men, but they owned the roles. Those flicks didn't seem to suffer because a "star" wasn't playing the main character. Maybe if "Reign of Fire" is a hit, Bales profile will increase. Spiderman proves that people go to see a superhero movie for the concept, not the actor. Tobey's previous movies didn't make $400 mil. As for Supes, I still kinda like Brendan Fraser (good actor with a good physique) though he needs to do more character pieces like "God and Monsters" to keep his credibility up (as opposed to "Mummy Returns" blockbusters. With any luck, they'll surprise us with good actors who aren't movie stars in the title roles. I would like to see someone like Kevin Spacey as Luthor (or what about that bald guy from that Murder One show a while back) and absolutely Mark Hamill as the Joker. With the right makeup, Hamill would kill (and we already know he has the voice down pat). Maybe Sandra Bullock as Lois?? Lana probably isn't in it, but Julianne Moore would work for me. Kate Hudson or Charlize Theron as Vicki Vale.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:58 a.m. CST

    DANA DELANEY as Lois Lane!

    by Osmosis Jones

    This MUST be.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:59 a.m. CST

    This is what I hope the movie will be like.

    by screenplaywriter

    Michael Keaton as Batman I dunno who should play Superman yet Jeff Goldblum as The Scarecrow (because they haven't done him yet and he's a great villian) Martin Short as The Mad Hatter (because if you combined The Scarecrow and The Mad Hatter together you would have a "deadly combination") Nicole Kidman as Chase (the woman from "Batman Forever") Chris O' Donnell in a brief role as Nightwing Courtney Cox as Lois Lane and a new Batgirl because Alicia Silverstone was only good wearing the suit, but her acting wasn't.

  • I went to Wild Wild West to see Kevin Kline. WAY too much Will Smith in that movie.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Calling all pretty boys....

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    No more pretty boys as action heroes. Give me some craggy faced, iron-jawed ugly ass-kicking sonofabitch. Jude Law? only if the super hero were the tooth fairy. I like Ed Harris as Batman and, well, Superman is still closer to pretty boy, but he better be big - like Christopher Reeve big (6'3" then- not so tall now). Keep your Matt Damons and Jude Laws and (godawful) Josh Harnetts for the less macho pics. Superheroes shuoldn't be sexually ambiguous pretty boys -unless that's the point - and a point could be made.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:21 a.m. CST

    LeeScoresby, let me state firmly that...

    by PriestYoungblood

    ...You got soul, my friend. THANK you for backing me up on this. Everybody complains about a project that is a fanboy's wet dream. Bunch of punks. Not only that, but they haven't seen a second of footage or a word of script, yet there's already the whining. I am FIRED UP for this idea, and once there's more to see, maybe I'll eyeball it a little more closely. Until then, I will simply clap my hands with childish glee. As for the female roles, Lois Lane's a gimme, probably (hopefuly) Catwoman, and the third. . . Harley Quinn might not be mainstream enough, but it'd sure be interesting.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by WeedyMcSmokey

    I hope they do a better job on the costumes - poor old Michael Keaton looked like a friggin' Pez dispenser.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by SoulOnIce

    This is out there but what about Thomas Gibson from Dharma and Greg as Superman?? He looks the part so if he bulks up??? As for Batman...I dunno...

  • July 9, 2002, 10:34 a.m. CST


    by I_AM_A_WOOKIE

    there are a few ways that they could do this, superman should be played by somebody in his prime, as he is an alien powered by earths yellow sun, so he should be well presented and mid-late twenties. Batman could be one of two, somebody not quite as pretty as Batman, edgier, more rugged, but about the same age as superman, but not experienced in crime fighting, OR slightly older, edgier, bitter, rugged, I thik billy Crudup could play a younger Batman, but bruce campbell would definately be a better mature Batman. i still think Guy Pearce should play Superman. George clooney, i have to say, was probably the best choice for batman, he had a classic superhero jaw, and the general look, and he made a good job of the awful B&R script and was the best bit of a shite movie. anyhow, it wont happen, 'Versus' movies never do

  • July 9, 2002, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by joshuaonenine

    Very happy that Batman is given another chance on the silver screen!

  • July 9, 2002, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by TheAtarisFan

    Kiefer Sutherland as Batman Bruce Campbell as Superman Courtney Cox as Lois Lane Jack Nicholson as the Joker Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor

  • July 9, 2002, 10:56 a.m. CST

    some more 'versus' movies

    by I_AM_A_WOOKIE


  • July 9, 2002, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by Batman_9

    man i can't believe warner bros if finally doing it. and wolfgang peterson...anderw kevin this project has the potential to be fantastic. i don't think they should do one yet but hey, if thats what it takes to bring the ultimate batman movie to the screen then i'm ready for it. maybe...just maybe this time the two heroes will be in true comic book form. of course, this has the potential to be suck ace...but i would like to think that since BATMAN AND ROBIN is now the official guide of how NOT to make a comic book movie, warner bros. will produce a kick ace film. and i'm pleased as punch that peterson said "drama" in his interview. you can't do a batman story without some serious drama. but i have just one question. i remember reading two years ago right after THE PERFECT STORM that wolfgang's next feature was going to be a film called ENDURANCE and that it would star either mel gibson or russel crowe. did that project fall through? i mean, if BvsS is going to begin filming by must be peterson's next project. one complaint i have already though, change the title. call it WORLD'S FINEST or something. BATMAN VS SUPERMAN just sounds silly to me. but then we are talking about men who wear tights and capes.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:59 a.m. CST

    My dream cast.

    by Juggernaut125

    Some great suggestions already. I'm thinking they'd have to go with a younger cast to appeal to the youth target audience. Here's who I'd like to see playing most of the major roles. Superman - Billy Zane (but I'd settle for Brendan Fraser). Batman - Jason Lee. Lois Lane - Robia LaMorte (Jenny Calendar from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If you've ever seen her on the show you'd agree too.) Robin - (HAS TO BE YOUNG, DAMMIT!!! As a boy - Cody McMains the younger brother from Not Another Teen Movie. As a girl - Clea DuVall, from The Faculty). Commisioner Gordon - Robert Patrick (He'd work awesome of of Jason Lee's Batman.) The Joker - Gary Oldman (Tim Roth is also a wonderful suggestion.) Harlequin - Jaime Pressly. Catwoman - Jessica Alba. Lex Luthor - Clancy Brown (Think of it. Not only is he an evil genius, but he'd have an impressive build too. And his voice work for the Superman Animated series proved that he can be a fantastic Lex already). Mercy - Jeri Ryan. Perry White - Curtis Armstrong. Jimmy Olson - DJ Qualls (from The New Guy). Okay, sure, a lot of these roles will probably not even make it to the big screen but that's how I'd cast "MY movie". Also, I think Crispin Glover would make a better Scarecrow than Jeff Goldblum. Now if they were to cast the Dark Knight Returns; obviously the above cast would have to all be older. But let's say they mess it up with a young cast. Two Face - Liam Neeson's okay but I'd prefer Tom Sizemore. Green Arrow (Ollie) - Woody Harrelson. Any thoughts? Comments?

  • July 9, 2002, 11:02 a.m. CST

    thank you spider-man

    by panpil

  • July 9, 2002, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Patrick Warburton for Supes.

    by Christopher3

    Bruce Campbell for Batman, and Courtney Cox-Arquette for Lois. That's archetypal casting.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Devil0509 (I think that's your name. Apologies if not.)

    by Rain_Dog

    If every white character could feasibly be played by a black actor, why do you have a problem with white folk being in Ender's Game? The pendulum swings both ways, dude. In addition, there's a perfectly good reason why Denzel, although absolutely brilliant, could not, and should not, have played Arragorn. Quite simply, Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings as a mythic retelling of England's pre-history. I hardly think I'm being racist by saying it would therefore be both illogical and inconsistent to cast a black man as Arragorn; it would have been the equivalent of casting, say, Ray Park in Chow Yun Fat's role in CTHD. Both stories are fiction, but both are inextricably tied to the mythology of a specific country (or in LOTRs case, a group of countries, drawing as it does on Norse mythology, thereby making the respective ethnicity of the characters integral to the story's believability. Look, I'm just making the point that just as characters written as being black or Asian should be portrayed on screen by actors of corresponding ethnicity, assuming their ethnicity and/or nationality is integral to the character, there are also times when white characters have legitimate reasons to remain white in cross-media adaptations. Daredevil is a prime example; he comes from an Irish-Catholic background, and this is an important factor in shaping who he becomes. Therefore he needs to be played by a white guy (I don't think I'm wrong in saying that black Irish Catholics in New York would be fairly uncommon): his whiteness is as integral to the character as Shaft

  • That is all.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:09 a.m. CST

    It's stupid.

    by Lobanhaki

    Why doesn't Warner Bros. hire Temuera Morrison (Jango Fett from Attack of the Clones) to play Mazer Rackham? Jesus. Don't they understand that they make us look stupid, and racist. We have to stop giving off the impressiont that we as a culture are so incredibly naive!

  • July 9, 2002, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Oh, one more thing

    by Rain_Dog

    I've never read Ender's Game, and I didn't read the full article before posting, Devil, so don't for a moment think I think all the characters in Ender's should be white. There's obviously a very good textual reason why white people should be in the minority in both the book and the movie, I was just illustrating a point is all. Oh, and once more: fuck those guys from Warner Brothers.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Makes me sick

    by Russman

    Card should just take the project overseas to England or France and get it made there with both American Actors/Stars and European Actors/Stars. Absolutly shocking that WB would want to fill the background with a bunch of blond haired, blue eyed white kids because they're afraid that white people would get scared? Scared of WHAT? You know there comes a time when people have to evolve beyond petty and non-existant dangers. If you make a good movie and release it at the right time, people will go see it. This is just really disgusting!

  • July 9, 2002, 11:26 a.m. CST

    How about Elijah Woods?

    by ComputerGuy68

    Don't laugh! I was watching the LotR movie last month for the first time and it was the first scene with a close-up of Frodo, I thought damn, he looks like Chris Reeve! He

  • July 9, 2002, 12:07 p.m. CST

    "Dream Team" casting for Batman vs. Superman

    by qualopec

    Superman: Daniel Day-Lewis Lex Luthor: Kevin Spacey Batman: Russell Crowe Joker: John Malkovich

  • July 9, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    This rocks!

    by fantasticx

    So it looks like I'm one of three who's actually looking forward to this...I find it hard to believe, though, that your hearts of ice don't have some soft spot for this project. This is one of those things that was never going to happen...this is like them making a Justice League movie. It just doesn't seem feasible...yet here we go...and I'm darned glad. As for cast, I'd like to see Brendan Fraser as Superman, Maura Tierney as Lois Lane, maybe Kurt Russell as Batman (but I prefer Batman and Supes to be around the same age), Billy Zane as Lex Luthor, Jason Lee as the Joker... And the three female roles...the one sure one is Lois...the other two I'd like to definitely see Mercy in the flesh and (since we have to have at least one Batman woman) either Catwoman or Chase (the Chase from the comic books not Batman Forever).

  • July 9, 2002, 12:18 p.m. CST

    A message from all Black people.....

    by Brooklyn Bred

    Get off of our huge DICKS and fat voluptous ASSES! The reason that no one will go and see a big budgeted movie starring a person of color is because narrow minded white pricks cannot deal with the idea of their kids playing with action figures in our likeness or (perish the thought) their daughters and sons drooling over handsome Black men and sexy women. I know, Will and Halle have toys but besides them anyone else? Nope! Hell all of you lost it when a Black man was cast as Kingpin.

  • July 9, 2002, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I suppose Denzel Washington only won an oscar last year

    by empyreal0

    A few things out there get me pissed off at Hollywood. This is a big one. Ender's a white kid, he's front and center. Isn't that white enough for the WB? I honestly don't know what the hell they're thinking. Sam Jackson, Denzel, Will Smith, and Lawrence Fishburne are some of the most easily recognizable actors out there. If anything, their race is an ASSET. I just wish Hollywood would stop making so many "white people movies" and "black people movies" and just hire whothefuckever can act the part. If I'm not mistaken, Spy Kids did pretty well at the box office, and the leads were all (gasp) of latin descent! I just wonder what they're gonna do on Lusitania if they ever do the sequels. "Gee, no, these people can't ALL be Portugese, we have to make all the lead characters white." Bullshit. ...Oh, and Temura Morrison as Mazer would be GREAT! Whoever wrote that above is absolutely right. Wonderful actor for that part.

  • July 9, 2002, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Der Fleidermaus v. Ubermensch / Orson Scott Card is a Religious

    by NoCureForFools

    Wolfgang Peterson is great. he gives white people a good name. if his previous work is any indication, i bet BvS will be pretty cool. most likely better than the other Batman movies. (i liked the 2nd one, though).*****Orson Scott Card kind of scares me with his wacky sermonizing. and dear god, could the Ender series have ended on a more lame note? the first book was cool, the 2nd book was okay, the third one was my favorite because of the Chinese girl character and her OCD-spirital thing, but the last one just sucked. i'm afraid of what Ender's Shadow must be. more crap. the movie will probably be okay.*****why do white people suck so much? i say this as a white person and can say, with total honesty, that most white people completely fucking suck. what the hell are they afraid of? afraid of realizing that they are boring? i swear to god, the white people of theis world need to be re-educated and woken up. and no, i'm not a "wigger", i find them offensive, stupid and ridiculous. nor am i PC -- i fucking hate hippies. i'm more of a zen fascist. anyways, i just wish white people didn't suck so much. have you ever gone to a black club as a white guy? nobody cares! nobody lifts an eyebrow. but turn the tables: a black guy in a white club and it's like the end of the world. everyone acts all nervous, the record skips. fucking white people. i fucking hate them.

  • July 9, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Brooklyn Bred - what rubbish.

    by Strawhenge

    Shame on me for even acknowledging this ignorant troll. I played with many black action figures as a kid, whether it was decoding sub-space communiques with Lt. Uhura, flying high with my Mego Falcon or whippin' G.I. Joe's ass with Muhammad Ali. There was nothing special about me (a white kid) or any of the other kids my age who also played with a wide variety of action figures, male & female, human & alien, black, white, Asian, Indian, etc. Stop being divisive. Christ, man, didn't you learn anything from the comics?

  • July 9, 2002, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I'm sure half of all the smartest kids out there in the worl

    by empyreal0

    The smartest person I knew in High School? A black girl. Some of the best students I knew in college? Asian women. There better be a helluva lot of asian children up there, not only because there are well over a billion Chinese people on the planet, but look at the culture. Children are raised to be obedient, and to learn. But I suppose movies are made to make money, and let's face it, Hollywood is only going to aim as high as they have to.

  • July 9, 2002, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Im thinking Barry Van Dyke as Batman and Kent McCord for Superma

    by NapoleonWilson

  • July 9, 2002, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Will Smith, yes, Martin Lawrence, no

    by Dicio

    Try Larry Fishburne or Eric LaSalle, and you got yourself a movie, bud.

  • July 9, 2002, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Warners didn't do Superman IV

    by Batutta

    That was a Cannon film, from "genius" Menahmen Golan. Of course, that doesn't excuse the last two Batman's and Superman III.

  • July 9, 2002, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Michael Clarke Duncan is a terrible choice!!

    by PriestYoungblood

    What? Batman and Superman? Oh, sorry. All this whining about race and comic books, I thought I'd landed in another Daredevil talkback. Now all of you be quiet! I'm trying to sleep.

  • July 9, 2002, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by jetlii

    you're a b bad motherfucker, i agree wit you man, strawhenge didn't you watch chasing amy, the black man is always the minstrel in sci fi fantasy. probably the only black comic book hero that has really made it was BLADE and it didn't really go out with the marvel logo. marvel probably thought the movie was going to flop. I hope someone like Antoine Fuqua or John Singleton make a bad ass comic book movie version of either Luke Cage or Black Panther with Wesley Snipes.

  • July 9, 2002, 1:05 p.m. CST

    mark ruffalo

    by 70001

    Mark Ruffalo, cast this man.Personally, i have been anticipating the day that this guy gets cast in something huge and breaks out. He was great in You Can Count On Me and he is about to have his first leading role in a hollywood film, along side meg ryan in In the Cut. He has great range, and he's got the whole chiseled look down. Subsequently, he would indeed make a good superman, or hell even a good batman.

  • July 9, 2002, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Joaquin Phoeinix for the Bat!!

    by 101 North

    He's got that brooding intensity thing goin' on. Plus he's one of the most interesting actors around

  • is this going to be like one of those 'buddy' movies, where the two incompatible guys get together at the end to fight the bad guys? 'cause the only way I'm watching this is if Batman kicks Superman's ass all the way back to Kripton. Anyway, I'm not "afraid" of watching a movie with too many non-white characters, but it is kinda scary that the people that run hollywood think that way.

  • July 9, 2002, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Thats right....Catherine Zeta Jones should be in more movies. Je

    by NapoleonWilson

    While im here I have another suggestion...there can be only one choice for Batman, and that is Christopher Lee. With Yoda for Superman they can fight and it would be really cool.....what the f*ck am I saying?

  • July 9, 2002, 1:33 p.m. CST

    this is all very FUNNY...

    by KONG33

    A Superman Vs. Batman flick sounds cool, but don't pretend it will be art and character-driven, PLEASE! Just make a cool Godzilla Vs. King Kong-esque action film. Three great parts for women, yeah fucking right. 1. pseudo feminist/journalist piece of ass 2. obligatory supermodel/superheroine 3. A caring mother role. (Maybe they'll just make copies of No.1) Give me a break, no one gives a FUCK about 3 great female roles in SUPERMAN VS. BATMAN, are they trying to make it appealing to women? It sounds like they're aiming to snatch the Prof.X/Magneto dynamic too and it pisses me off because they won't even copy it right. They aren't racists for pointing out white people generally don't go to see an all-black movie, like Soul Food or something, can you think of another all-black casted film? Remember when SPAWN came out, though? Bad idea to change the race from white to black or black to white.

  • July 9, 2002, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by KONG33

  • July 9, 2002, 1:56 p.m. CST

    psst! sorry about the capitals!

    by KONG33

    Anyway Vaughn is about what, 6'5, he reminds me of the best Batman, Keaton, and has a strangeness to him, an edge, like someone who has been in a cave or obsessed for awhile.

  • July 9, 2002, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by KryptonSon

    I want a film that has one hero saving the world, one hero on his own fighting evildoers and giving us something to believe in for two hours. Now I don't want to get off an a rant here but the people over at warners are so fucking stupid they make the guys of jackass look like yale university graduates!! I just can't understand sitting on some of the most recognizable and best characters in world culture... then fucking them up the ass in the blatant attempt to make the most money possible. First of all, why did spiderman do so well you ask. Lets see, a recognizable character brought to life in all his glory, saving a city, and falling for a girl he can't have. Good acting, good story and something to believe in. Same ingredients that made the first superman films and 1st batman film work. No one would wanna see spiderman and wolverine yapping about who's better or who's more identifiable in todays world... or who left the door open and brought in that unpleasent gust of wind in. And what kind of continuity do you think you can get with three movies and different actors playing superman and batman? (Assuming the actors they do get commits himself to the same character for a lengthy franchise) Its mind-boggling to even think of such a thing. Secondly, please get serious directors who love the character. Not directors who wanna make stupid fucking statements about superheros in todays world, like some fucking hack independent film student who just wants to "express the world through the medium of film". Fuck that. I want a director whose whole name is more than 3 fucking letters long and doesn't have the disaster that was Charlie's angels on his filmography. The samething goes for the writers, hey I liked seven but no way in hell would I want that same guy writing a film about superheros. And lastly, listen to the fans. If they don't like it, it creates bad buzz which will lead to bad reviews which will lead to a film that has gotten laughed at and ultimatly forgotten as fast as the first chick eliminated on elimidate. Listen to me you dumb overpayed fucks at warner bros... Gives us magic and fantasy, will give you our money. Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong. PS: and the last I heard, Richard Donner was still making movies. (Hint Hint you stupid fucks)

  • July 9, 2002, 1:58 p.m. CST

    WB should take a nod from their animated Superman vs Batman movi

    by superninja

    That had it all: action, romance, suspense and great characterization. I'm TRULY hoping the versus aspect is more about their warring ideaologies, not actual Dark Knight-style fisticuffs. Because that's just stupid. You don't relaunch a franchise by having your two characters pummel the crap out of each other, because someone's got to lose at the end of the day. I'm hoping that they work against each other at first, and then team up at the end. The three female characters makes me think of the Animated Series, as someone else mentioned. Those characters were Harley Quinn, Lois Lane and Mercy, Lex Luthor's bodyguard chauffer. Could really be a hit or miss deal - and Petersen's hints about the characterization of Batman kind of worries me, but it could be interpreted as a darker version of the Animated Series character. And the casting is crucial. Those rumors about Travolta as Superman were laughable. I want to see two men in their prime, not aging actors trying to prove they still have sex appeal. Unknowns are the way to go.

  • July 9, 2002, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Batman vs. freaking Superman?

    by DouglasAH

    Superman shoots laser beams from his eyes, has x-ray vision, ridiculous strength, is indestructible, and flies. Batman has a utility belt. This movie is gonna suck.

  • July 9, 2002, 2:31 p.m. CST

    If what OSC says is right....

    by Jango Matt

    Then maybe the exec's at warner bros should take the White hoods off their heads and focus on making a GOOD movie for once. Oh, and Ender's Game is one of my favorite books of all time, up there with Dune Novels (but not equal. Dune still rules supreme in my universe: All of the original novels, including the 3 great prequels)

  • July 9, 2002, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Courtney Cox to play Lois Lane

    by Mr Pumblechook

    Now Ive been waiting for a new Superman film for some time. I know Courtney Cox-Arquette has the human characteristics of Lois Lane. She is strong-willed, feisty & beautiful without being the stereotypical blonde. Yes she is now pushing 40 years old. But whilst she might not be right for a franchise that might last 10 years- COURTNEY COX WOULD BE PERFECT AS LOIS LANE in Superman vs Batman. Good to hear that the Seven scribe will be writing. But I heard some crapola. WOLFGANG WANTS TO CAST MATT DAMON AS BATMAN?!!! Hey Wolfgang?! NO! The guy has an ugly face, no screen presence, no darkness,and is nothing more than a spoilt american rich kid. Unknowns would probably be better. What i fear is that this could turn out to be a lightweight movie, with some nice ILM fx, and some crapy rock soundtrack to prove how cool it is to yankee-doodle-dandy rich kids. THIS FILM HAS TO TRANSCEND MIDDLE-AMERICA. IT SHOULD BE MADE TO APPEAL TO THE MINDS AND HEARTS OF ALL THE WORLDS PEOPLE -one other quick point. Men In Black would have still done the same business without Tommy. Will Smith is probably 2nd only to Tom Cruise for worldwide box-office appeal

  • July 9, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST

    The Perfect Cast

    by Blok Narpin

    Clooney as Batman: He and Peterson have worked together before, and he deserves another shot. He was given nothing to work with last time. Brendan Fraser as Superman: He's a talented actor with the build AND charisma needed to pull off the man of steel. Also, He often has a goofy boy scoutish charm about his, and Superman is an overgrown boy scout. He's dead on PERFECT for Superman. Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor: Ok, he's a bit older now, but so what? He played this role with spot on perfection before. Let him do it again. Heck, he was the only good thing about Superman IV, so at least if the movie sucks he'll keep us semi-entertained. Jack Nicolson as Joker: Same as above. He played the role perfectly before....let him do it again!

  • July 9, 2002, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Fanboy ingratitude

    by Jango Matt

    I will admit to some of the earlier posts that us fanboys will immediately start trashing any genre offer that comes out. That was obvious by the posts for Spider-Man and X-Men, which turned out to be great films (Well, X-Men...I was disappointed by Spider-man) The reason for this, the knee-jerk reaction to genre films, in my book at least, is this: For every X-Men, there's half a Dozen Phantom Menaces, for every Spider-Man or other great genre offering, there's loads of lousy films that get us all excited, just to have Hollywood bend us over a barrel and F*ck us once again. Are we suspicious if something sounds to good to be true? Yes. Why? Because if it sounds to good to be true, than it usually is. Because films can sound great and turn out to be complete piles of steaming shit. How do we know this to be true? BECAUSE IT"S HAPPENED A MILLION TIMES BEFORE. Hollywood has constatly come out with great ideas and either completely ruined it in the execution or just thrown it into Development Hell. I refuse to get excited about anything anymore, in fear of being massively disappointed again, A'la Phatom Menace or A.I. However, there is one film that I am not at all worried about sucking, cause I know it is going to kick all our asses: The Two Towers. And Reign of Fire is going to probably kick ass to. That's just my two cents, anyway.

  • July 9, 2002, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Why I Am Scared By an Ender's Game Film

    by Anton_Sirius

    OSC is still writing it. Don't get me wrong, Ender's Game is one of my favorite books of all time (in much the same way that Searching for Bobby Fischer is one of my favorite films) but seriously, when was the last time Card wrote anything good? Half-decent even? He ran the Ender's series into the ground, the last Prentice Alvin book was horrifically bad and seemed like he dashed it off over a weekend... either he's lost his touch, or he's so obsessed with an Ender film that he's lost perspective on his own writing. Either way he needs to step back and let someone else take a stab at the script. I realize that goes against everything he feels and believes right now, but for the good of the story- not his own ego- he needs to pull back.

  • July 9, 2002, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Superheroes are your "Friends".

    by Juggernaut125

    Let's cast the whole movie with Friends members! Superman - David Shwimmer! Batman - Matt Leblanc! Joker - Matthew Perry! Lois - Courtney Cox-Arquette! Catwoman - Jennifer Anniston! and Lisa Kudrow as Harlequin! You could even throw in Tom Selleck as Commissioner Gordon! And the guy who played Fun-Bobby as Lex Luthor! Casting GENIUS!!!!

  • July 9, 2002, 3:20 p.m. CST

    what a brilliant idear

    by Hud

    Folks, Batman vs. Superman is a fine idea. Just think: some Australian guy as Batman and the Rock as Superman. The last act ends with them fighting in a mall. Batman is scrambling away on his back from the death blow, scattering cans of recognizable brand-name soft drinks as he goes. He dead-ends against a big display for a well-known television manufacturer and/or delivery service, and then Superman leans into the frame a little, not quite covering up the icon for a fast-food franchise, and hisses, "first rule of Fight Club . . . "

  • July 9, 2002, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Strawhenge and NOCUREFORFOOLS

    by Brooklyn Bred

    Strawhenge you are an idiot and obviously one of the WHITE PRICKS I was speaking of. Any White person who read this article and didn't feel embarrased for their own race now knows if they didn't before that yes, you have a problem with Black people. As for NC4F you see what I was saying and unfortunately it's true Whites are moving to Harlem at break-neck speed and going to the movies with us, standing on line at the store, hell I've even seen them at and around the projects and we (Blacks) do not care. In fact we welcome them to the neighborhood but whenever we go to Howard Beach, bensonhurst, Kings highway we are chased out and beaten. Blacks support all movies. We don't say, "Oh hell no! I'm not going to see this White movie." We plop down our hard earned money and enjoy ourselves and how are we repayed? Pricks in suits saying that no one wants to see Blacks in a movie where we aren't shucking and jiving! Pathetic!

  • July 9, 2002, 3:37 p.m. CST

    One Thing's For Sure, Rod Steiger Won't Be in the Film

    by Aquatarkusman

    Because he's passed on at age 77 from kidney failure. RIP, big guy.

  • July 9, 2002, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Ya know...

    by Jaka

    ...I happen to agree with anyone that thinks this Superman vs. Batman movie could end up being REALLY bad. Maybe they should try and make decent Superman and Batman movies on their own first. Rather than trying to resuscitate both franchises by making a film together and pretending how cool it is. And the thought of the marketing for this type of film (Happy Meals anyone?) is already making me ill. ----------------- And this damn Ender's Game movie...fuck off already! I know for a fact that I am one of the few people that love this book that have read the 4 books that follow it (I think 4, there may be even more now). However this movie turns out, even if it the masterpiece to end all masterpieces, it will not be as good as, or if you prefer, LIKE, the book. It is just not possible. The only thing that makes this acceptable is that if there is no film adaptation it will cause more people to read the original(s, I suppose...I can't bring myself to read the "revision" that OSC wrote...the original is perfect, thank you very much).

  • July 9, 2002, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Black Aragorn would be idiotic PC

    by LeoO

    I agree with many of the remarks posted here. Charismatic, masculine black male actors can easily be leads and carry films; many examples cited thus far especially the Blade films. However I disagree strongly that race should be ignored in casting just to make a PC point. The fact is, Lord of the Rings is a story based on European myth and imagery, and should have ONLY white people in it (except for the Easterlings and Haradrim). Doing otherwise is just stupid, like casting whites and blacks in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. It ruins the movie. Interestingly, "diversity" is something that never seems to be required of non-whites, in "correct" opinion. If a movie, like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, has only Asians in it, or a country, like Nigeria, has only blacks in it, they're never considered non-diverse, or lacking, or needing to have lots of white people coming in to give them different perspectives and so on. But any geographic region, company, movie, whatever, that has only white people gets a lot of criticism.

  • July 9, 2002, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Reason why no Asians, Chinese

    by LeoO

    Because while they are a huge proportion of the world's population, they are still only a TINY minority in the US. Hispanics and blacks are each perhaps 15% of the US population, while whites are around 70%. Asians and others are in the LOW single digits. Hard for those who live in New York or big California cities to believe I know. So studio execs make movies that appeal to whites first and blacks second, and more and more often, to Hispanics as well. Probably won't change unless we get a LOT more Asian immigration.

  • July 9, 2002, 4:11 p.m. CST

    about the teamup...

    by agentclock

    you know...i'm getting really jazzed about this idea...forget the solo films...there still on there many times can you say you will see two heroes teaming up on screen... I'll say it again though...Jude Law would make a great Superman...anyone can workout before the film...Tobey Maguire did for Spider-man...whoever mentioned Billy Crudup for Batman...excellent choice...i still see Tim Roth as the Joker...and whoever said that i took your idea for Roth...get over yourself...other people can come up with the same conclusions, you know. Matt Damon is all wrong for Superman though. If thats the part Peterson had in mind for him

  • July 9, 2002, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Whoa, whoa ...

    by Darth Chode

    ... did someone actually suggest Brendan Fraser as Superman? Jesus, just kill me now. That's the worst idea I've heard since Brendan Fraser announced to his parents that we would like to go into acting in the first place. And this whole Batman vs. Superman thing is ridiculous anyway. I don't care how "smart" Batman is, there's just no way in hell he can beat Supe. It's impossible. In what possible way could he outsmart laser beam eyes, freezing breath and superhuman stregnth? The guy's a pathetic millionaire with a grappling hook, fer Christ's sake!

  • July 9, 2002, 4:25 p.m. CST

    It's supply/demand, not racism

    by Malik23

    Look folks, the movie industry is a business. The most fundamental rule of economic exchange is the relationship between supply and demand. White people may not make up the largest population on the planet, but they do make up the largest population of movie-goers. Therefore, the demand is going to be higher for movies with white characters, and thus a potential for greater profit. Supply will adjust to meet demand, increasing the number of "white" movies. There is nothing inherently racist about an audience wanting to see a movie of characters with whom they can identify. This is one of the basic criteria of any story: having likeable characters or heroes with whom we can bond. It is simply a fact that people bond with characters who represent them (so to speak), rather than characters they have little in common with. Get over it. That's life.

  • July 9, 2002, 4:28 p.m. CST

    fuck all of you

    by afropick

    superman and batman are supposed to be physically BIG. jude law as superman? what the FUCK are you smoking? i wouldn't mind seeing vin diesel or mickey rourke as batman. maybe christian bale as supes.

  • July 9, 2002, 4:35 p.m. CST

    this idea is really bad

    by KneelBeforeZod

  • July 9, 2002, 4:38 p.m. CST

    this idea is really bad

    by KneelBeforeZod

    oops, hit enter. anyway, this may be a cash cow for warner brothers, but it's really hard to conceive a way for this to be any good. how can there be any room for character development in a picture with two heroes, multiple villains, and three major female roles?? this just further proves brodie's quote from J&SBSB... once x-men hit at the box office, studios began buying up any and all comic properties they could get their hands on. unmitigated crap shall be produced, and fans will suffer for it. i'm much more in favor of the development of year one and even the McG movie individually. at least it would provide attention to detail and craft. and wolfgang? the perfect storm wasn't very good, and he's not the first director i'd have in mind for this project. alright, that's my two cents. back to the real world marathon... that chick cara is nuts.

  • July 9, 2002, 4:39 p.m. CST

    lex luthor

    by liljuniorbrown

    Has to be John Malcovich,Christian Bale as superman and clooney as Batman,or if you going for older superman use Travolta.Iknow that sounds horrible but look at him in Swordfish,or the super good guy he played in that cheap movie Domestic disturbance.Speaking of which cast Vince Vaughn as a villan,he could pull it off.But above all malcovich has to be luthor,i mean who else could do it?

  • July 9, 2002, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Whites will be AFRAID to go see it? WTF?

    by Drath

    First, let me start with a mandatory disclaimer that if this is bull, as is often the case here at AICN, then I'm sorry WB. But why would we be afraid of a film with a lot of non whites in it? I'm surprised a studio would be so blunt about the prejudices of the American public in this PC age. So blunt and so wrong. Billy Bob Thorton didn't make me want to see Monster's Ball, Ethan Hawke didn't make me want to see Training Day, I didn't watch and love Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon because a white guy produced it, and I sure as hell don't see Morgan Freeman's movies for the half assed white actors paired with him(my god, Affleck must be stopped). But the Will Smith point makes very little sense because this isn't even a case of a black lead needing to be paired with a white lead in order to appeal to the white demographic, this is a case of saying the majority of people on screen throughout the movie have to be white in order for whites to accept it. I simply don't believe that. I own the Joy Luck Club and the Inkwell, two sentimental but entertaining movies that feature non white casts. I think I'm fairly typical, and I gotta say I'm going to fewer and fewer movies these days anyway, and it's not because the casts are too non-white. Besides, even if this is about needing to give the whites in the audience someone to sympathize with, there's a WHITE LEAD in the STORY! That's not enough to sell the movie to the white demographic? What the hell is the subject matter, elevator maintenance? If it's so hard to see to whites, then feature the white kid's parents prominently in the trailers so whites will see enough of themselves to feel the show is for them too. It makes me sick to compromise even that much. I know racism is alive and well in many many Americans, even those who would have been considered fantastic liberals fifty years ago, but it's sad if this is the state of race in entertainment.

  • July 9, 2002, 4:57 p.m. CST

    WWF style

    by the LEFT eye

    Hulk Hogan as Superman and the ROCK as Batman!!!

  • July 9, 2002, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by jokrsmile

    First off I'm a dye-hard Marvel fan. And I honestly believe that Marvel is making superhero movies the right way...for the fans! Now Warner Bros. worries the hell out of me, simply because they have a track record of f'ing up good superhero properties. If this movie is a huge bomb, that could affect how the public will embrace future films. On the other hand if they pull their heads out and make a great flick, hell I'll be first in line. Superman vs Batman has the potential to be an awesome film. And that will hopefully keep Marvel on it's toes to keep making great flicks. I do wonder how Superman vs Batman will conflict with McG's Superman project. Warner Bros. needs to think these things through. One proporty I think we can all do without is Wonder Woman....Please!!

  • July 9, 2002, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by ILoveEwksAndJJar

    I am very angry with WB, right now. They'ved F#$%ed up almost everything they've touched. They better make these projects right.

  • July 9, 2002, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Afropick...obviously not smoking the same thing as you...

    by agentclock

    if you want BIG...go look at the pictures in a muscle mag...Vin Diesel and Mickey for Batman??? are you insane??? yeah i can totally see Vin and Mickey having that suave Bruce Wayne charm nailed actors can work out to get moderately sized without having to look like they hang around Gold's you'll want to cast smaller roles like Tyler Mane for Sabertooth it works...but not when they gotta carry the entire films on their backs... They want actors...plain and simple...and Bale is better suited for Batman...not Superman...Jude Law has the look from Talented Mr Ripley...go to the Internet Movie DataBase and see some picks for yourself...he can work out, dye his hair, and do an american accent.

  • July 9, 2002, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Dylan Mcdermott from "The Practice" as Batman

    by Steal_Dragon

    and Brendan Fraser as Superman. Who else can pulloff that boyscout/sends 10% of his income to his mother like that dude. Just dye his hair jet black and put Courtney Cox as Lois by his side and there you go. Also they should be Batman and Superman in their own movies as well, not just Batman VS Superman.

  • July 9, 2002, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Batman vs. Superman it could work,maybe

    by moose420

    Well I think BvsS could work if they got a script but see notice that the superhero movies that have worked recently and r probly gonna work DIDN"T COME FROM WB!!! Blade came from Newline, X-Men and Daredevil r coming from Fox and Spider man and I think Hulk r comin from Sony,so its pretty obvisous that WB just fucks it up,personally never been a fan of Superman movies,the cartoon and comic yes the movie no. As for Batman same deal cause after Batman:The Movie everthing went downhill at least in Batman Returns we had Mr.Keaton. Another thing You guys have to realize is NO ACTOR THATS ALREADY BEEN IN A COMIC BOOK MOVIE will do another and well George Clooney would be foolish to put his fait in WB hands again. If this film does get made I'm all for Christin Bale as Batman he has the brooding and all that shit as for Superman Jude Law would totally work same with MAtt Damon. As for Lex Luthor I like the idea of Kevin Spacy but i dunno about him shaving his head,Tim Roth would be great as Joker. Hopefully they do a totally new story, I like the aspect of making them seem more real cause i wanted to know what Batman would be like in real life(a crazed phyco soceopath) and by the looks of things will get that. And I think they'll change the title cause look at the new movie ECK vs SEVER Does that title sound bad or whaT? But yeah hears hoping but seriously doubting they'll pull it of epecially when its handled by Warner BRothers.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Pick grown men, not boys.

    by superninja

    Jude Law, Christian Bale, Heath Ledger, Matt Damon and Brendan Frasier are all too boyish for Superman. Several of them are also too short, camera tricks be damned. Ben Affleck CAN NOT ACT. If what they're suggesting with this film is true, having a bunch of boys trying to portray a mythic battle of dark vs light, it's going to be a joke. Who is going to believe any of them as such epic characters? Just go with an unknown unless you want to laugh/groan your way out of the theater.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:12 p.m. CST

    "Ender's Game" info...

    by Girl Genius

    Does anyone know who's doing the casting for "Ender's Game?" I'd REALLY appreciate the info... if someone could email it to me, that'd be great.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Boycott the superhero teamup and if you have to see it, wait to

    by seth maxim

    That way good, decent, in tune with reality movie companies can get a shot at these great characters. Warners just feeds off our hopes that the movie will be good, while purposly making it terrible through ignorance, then making the trailer great to entice us to come pay 10 bucks to see if its good, then we get dissappointed and 10 years later they build the hype up again so we come see the new crappy version hoping it will bebetter than the last version, only to once again be disappointed, but too late to get your money back. I say NAY! BOYCOTT is our only resort. Take that you ignorant, racist, intelligence undermining fucks.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Black action figures

    by Jango Matt

    For the person who said earlier on that no parents would wan't their white kids to play with black action figures-my mother bought me my Roadblock G.I. Joe figure and I wanted to be him-and I was a white Jewish kid. So don't make wide sweeping statements about what "whitey" will or will not do. There's nothing wrong with "white" people. There's something wrong with ignorant racist "white" people acting like assholes.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:29 p.m. CST


    by TomVee

    Supes and Bats need to be young actors. One can't be 24 and the other 35 or 40. They are contemporaries and have spent years swapping identities to help each other out of various jams. They can't very well have a big age discrepancy. Josh Hartnett age types needed -- nay, required! The idea that this is not a mainstream film for either series is a bit daunting, but it should allow for more artistic license.

  • the only thing they should change is the BATMAN vs. SUPERMAN title. Get thee outta there! sure they're against each other, but VS. should be reseved for the badass potential of something like ALIENS vs. PREDATOR. 'sides, if this flick makes a bunch of coin (which it most certainly will because of the simple fact that there has NEVER been a "team up" comic book movie before and the public will eat it up) then ALIENS vs. PREDATOR will finally make its way out of development hell and towards movie screens.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Reading some of these casting choices

    by TimBenzedrine

    Just makes my CGI suggestion sound even better.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Bale is Bond

    by spanKING1

    Christian Bale would be great as either superhero,moreso the Darknight,But it looks as if he is favourite to play Bond,James Bond. I really can't see him becoming involved in 2 franchises, although if the opportunity arose for him to be involved as both superhero and superspy, could you blame him for taking the roles?.......How about Dennis Quaid as Batman...Billy Cudrup my arse..... P.S. Won't you yanks be upset if a brit takes the role of either hero?

  • July 9, 2002, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Guys, this WORLD'S FINEST movie could easily be our last cha

    by KingKrypton

    If this movie doesn't get made, the Jon Peters/McG Superman film will, and it will change almost everything about the character except the name. So what would you rather have, a Superman/Batman team-up where both characters are portrayed true to their comic book roots, or a decent Batman movie and a horrible Superman movie that humiliates the character? Ideally, you'd want all three films to be made, provided that each of them is good and faithful to the material. But Peters/McG will not be faithful to Superman at all. As such, I'm behind the WORLD'S FINEST movie, because this could be the last hurrah for Superman. If this doesn't get made, the Peters/McG "re-inventing" of the character will, and it'll become the dominant version of Superman in the public eye while simultaneously destroying the character. Would you rathe rhave a solo Superman movie that wears its disdain for the comics on its sleeve, or would you rather have a good, faithful film that has both Superman and Batman in it? I rest my case.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Will there be 2 Endings?

    by puckFX

    It could turn out to be quite interesting if they filmed an ending with each superhero winning and release both to theaters without the audience knowing. This was a great trick played in the 80's when CLUE was released in theaters. 3 different endings spread out to theaters and audiences kept coming back to see each one. This would create all kinds of publicity and intrigue into the Batman vs. Superman legacy! puckFX.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Reading some of these casting choices

    by TimBenzedrine

    Just makes my CGI suggestion sound even better.

  • July 9, 2002, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan as Batman and Andre The Giant as Superman

    by Chaffro

    I mean, if we're going to make silly casting suggestions, why not go the whole hog? Christian Bale, my arse. Keaton would be a good choice though...

  • July 9, 2002, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Reading some of these casting choices

    by TimBenzedrine

    Just makes my CGI suggestion sound even better.

  • July 9, 2002, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Might be Ok

    by film316

    Im not sure what to think of this one. But, they should of used the Superman: Man Of Steel script by Alex Ford years ago. And does anyone know where I can get The Fantastic Four script thats suppose to be pretty good?

  • July 9, 2002, 7:30 p.m. CST

    batman beyond

    by exar_kun_69

    Hell yeah! This is my first post here...ever. Does anyone know if a live-action adaptation of the Batman Beyond show is in the works. Terry McGinnis is hella sic as the new wisecracking Batman, but he still has that dark edge to him. And you gotta love the batsuit. Plus the high school aspect of it is pretty accurate. That whole 21st century update and the intro. music at the beginning of the shows is awesome. And personally Batman could use some new ideas right about now, or at least a couple of years from now.

  • July 9, 2002, 7:45 p.m. CST

    To ONSTAR Batman Guy...

    by Miami'sCanadian

    Thanks man, that was a hilarious thought. How about The Rock as Superman? He'd kill. Does anyone remember Dean Cain wanting to be in the Superman movie? He did a good job on the tv show, it wasnt his fault the producers made the show romantic and made Supes a pussy. To those who think it will suck, well it might but its still worth it to see it happen. I think adding The Flash would be killa too. But if you're looking for best Superman movie, I suggest waiting four years when "Smallville" is over and using the characters and actors to the big scren adaption. Tho those naysayers who say its a WB show, well the character plotting and acting is tremendous.

  • July 9, 2002, 7:50 p.m. CST

    The three female roles.

    by PoshKittyKat

    How about Robin? They're bound to rip everything else from the pages of 'The Dark Knight Returns', so why not a female sidekick? It'll probably be Michelle Trachtenberg...

  • July 9, 2002, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Casting suggestions

    by OKSurya

    Not a fan of Wolfgang but if he casts Vince Vaughn as Batman and Jon Favreau as Superman then I would be first in line. Those two know how to talk shit between each other! Great idea, right?

  • July 9, 2002, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Clooney and Fraser. Or unknowns.

    by Spab2

    The guy above who said Dean Cain. NO. Cain was miscast to begin with, with his high voice and leathery complexion. He looked and acted like the jock next door, and couldn't even stand right in the suit. The man hunches his shoulders. That's not Superman, period. Petersen likes Matt Damon, good for him but Matt's Jimmy Olsen's little brother. And as for the Smallville cast, the guy who plays Clark is 25 in real life. He's going to look like a teenager when he's 40. Brendan Fraser is the best suggestion I've heard, though far from perfect. And Clooney is fine too. Batman should LOOK older than Superman, by 5-6 years.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Mat Damon as the Bat?

    by iamcaine2

    According to CNN who also ran this see here apparently the director thinks that little Matty might make an interesting Bat.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:37 p.m. CST

    The ideal casting

    by juwamba

    Superman: Jason Statham. He was incredibly ripped for Mean Machine. Batman: Domenick Lombardozzi, only if he lost approximately twenty pounds. He has the explosive truculent tendancies associated with the character down to an art form. The three female leads: Haley Joel Osmet, a tramped up Macy's mannequin, and Tea Leoni.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Wow I smell a couple of stinkers!

    by Bronzewood

    I'm sorry but Warner Brothers will fuck both of these some how, and a Batman vs Superman movie sounds like shit to me. It will probably end up an adaptation of the stupid cartoon they made. WB will try and fail miserably to revitalize these franchises. Even though Daredevil is looking like it's going to be a real piece of shit, and Ang Lee for some crazy reason decided to have the Hulk rampage around naked, they will both kick the asses of Batman or Superman, with X-Men just adding to the insult. Fuck the WB, the only thing that's keeping them alive is the Matrix and Harry Potter, and New Line's Lord of the Rings. But what happens when the sequels run out? Fuck them!

  • July 9, 2002, 8:48 p.m. CST


    by Bronzewood

    Bruce Campbell for Supes all the way but Nick Cage will weseal and weseal until he gets the part. For Bats, Vin Diesel. Yeah that's right! He's got the build, and the voice. But they'll probably give it to Matt Damon or Josh Harnett. Which will both suck, and so would Jude law and fuck Christian Bale.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:48 p.m. CST

    At least Matt Damon's an actor.

    by superninja

    The Talented Mr. Ripley proved that he can play more than just a Hollywood pretty boy.

  • July 9, 2002, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Matt Damon an actor?!

    by Bronzewood

    Talented Mr. Rip me is more like it! I'm surprised you were able to stay awake the whole three hours. Matt Damon sucks as an actor. He has two emotions, overly serious for the situation, and trying way to hard to be funny.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Enough about racism

    by I Hunger!

    How will the makers of Ender's Game deal with the social taboo of little 6-10 year old kids swearing like sailors and breaking each other's spines? Now, that sounds like some fine entertainment to me, but I'm sure some nut somewhere might find it offensive or "exploitive to children."

  • July 9, 2002, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Remember Starship Troopers?

    by thevision

    Made Izzy a chick and Johnny Rico from a Filipino to a white guy! Paco Montalban, star of the Mortal Kombat tv series and Sleeping Beauty TV movie with Brandy, would've been perfect. But of course Hollywood went with Casper "Marshmellow Dipped in Mayo" Van Dien! He later went on to fame in a Tarzan flick and 3 episode lasting "Aryan" Spelling nightime soap. Cripes! Van Dien makes Brad Pitt look ethnic!! Doesn't sooprize me bout Hollywood; always remember Robert Duval's comments about "hypocrite liberals in Hollywood with no contact with minorities except their landscapers and maids." I'd like to add, no contact with minorities except LA Lakers, Jennifer Lopez and Asian Female Hookers! Anyhoo, personally never cared for Will Smith and it pisses me off he is going to star in "I Am Legend" directed by (gasp!) Michael Bay. No problem with casting a black man as Neville- Denzel would be a great Neville!! Will Smith is a clown, Denzel Washington is a leading man with serious dramatic talent!!

  • If they are going to make a bad movie , why not go for broke.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:32 p.m. CST

    I would be fine with this...

    by ManosTHOF

    ....if it wasn't a rushjob as a knee-jerk reaction to the comic book movie trend arising once again. Remember, for every Crow or Batman a la Burton we get a Punisher, Howard The Duck, or most recently the Hanna-Barberra inspired Batman and Robin (*shudder*) that drains your will to live. I would like to see a movie such as this done right, and will probably attend just to gauge for myself no matter what the buzz or reviews say. Demented casting choices could kill this as well, I am sure Freddie Prinze Jr. and his ilk will come snooping. Please, no ridiculous costumes, get someone who is actually in shape and doesn't need muscle shaped armour. This prokect still seems like from out of left field to me, I can't see an artistic reason to be making it, and it's not like anyone is demanding it. Kind of like the Star Trek franchise. At least let the bad taste from the previous film wear off for a few more years first. Personally I'd sooner like to see the Knightfall saga done on screen if done properly. This Bats/Supes movie will be a spectacle which will end up satisfying no one. I am not being a naysayer here, it just seems like a very tough proposition on paper. If they pull it off, more power to them and good for us, the audience.

  • July 9, 2002, 9:55 p.m. CST


    by AZJim

    If white audiences in this country in 2002 can't "sympathize" with Black characters (or other non-whites) in movies, we are in bad, bad shape. I don't really believe it. I do believe that some chickenshit WB execs might believe it.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Brook Bred....*snicker* If you never saw white movies, all you&#

    by Munchinsonton


  • July 9, 2002, 10:09 p.m. CST

    SvB should be animated

    by the_dork_avenger

    The cartoons on the WB were pretty cool though I thought Batman began to suck after that little kid took over as robin, But the scarecrow became real freaky after that. If its gotta be live action though, Samuel L. Jackson as the vengeful-take-no-crap-butt-kickin batman!!!

  • July 9, 2002, 10:13 p.m. CST


    by Mister_X

    I want to know why people are complaining about this whole racist thing. I think it all depends on who the role was written for. Some roles can be played by different races, like Lex Luthor. I can see him being white, black, etc. But some parts have to be played as they were perceived. Batman and Superman should never be of any other ethnicity. The whole LOTR gang should be mainly of English origin and so on. Nothing personal. P.S. Brooklyn Bred is obviously racist against white people. What a hypocrite.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Randy Quaid as Superman!!Gary Coleman as Batman!!YAY!!

    by viol8tor

    Just kidding, but I can dream can't I ??? Would still make a more interesting cast than MATT FUCKING DAMON! as batman!!That prick sure as hell cannot act! Zero Charisma! Don't believe me see Bourne Identity..he totally sucks ass!! Adios.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:16 p.m. CST


    by the_dork_avenger

    wasn't lex luther black in the superman animated series? I always though it was cool that they made him atleast dark skinned if not black for the cartoon.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:30 p.m. CST

    ender's game

    by Mister_X

    I personally think Ender's game could make an even better mini-series on Television-i know some one mentioned that before and I concur. I also agree that if this is a world-wide battleschool, the it should be multi-cultural. There should especially be a lot of asians because they are really smart. It's like their life to study, and play video games. Now I'm not talking about Asains in general but the ones I know are like this.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:56 p.m. CST

    A message to all the whites offended by my comments

    by Brooklyn Bred

    Number one if you responded to my comments in a negative manner then I could give a shit less about you or your ignorant repies because you are assholes! Number 2 think for a minute why should race even come up in a board meeting about friggin' superheroe movies? It's because as I said before WHITE PRICKS have nothing better to do than be WHITE PRICKS! I mean shit you have like one of the fuckin' coolest job on the planet (next to ERIC BENET who gets to bang Halle Berry), okaying comicbook movies and you are busy debating over how many Black faces are in it. FUCK YOU! And FUCK all the a-holes on this talk back who twisted my words around and accused me of being a militant AL Sharpton when it's not even like that. I never said all whites are pricks, just racist bastards who secretly envy Black people and have a hard on for us.

  • July 9, 2002, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Super Vs. Bats

    by umlaut

    Wolfgang Petersen sucks. In The Line of Fire was ok, but dosen't hold up. Das Boot:The Directors Cut is good. But that's it. It's a shame, this could have been a cool project.

  • Just kidding. I know this is small consolation for people of different ethnicities who visit this site, but I&#39;m a white male and I&#39;m EXTREMELY embarrassed for our society right now. There&#39;s absolutely nothing wrong with a handful of token white guys in a situation like this, and the paranoia and bigotry that still pervades Hollywood is a disgrace to talented people that in all reality deserve these roles. Now I know how Cuba Gooding, Jr. feels. I hate riding a wave of rants and by no means am I trying to ingratiate myself, but the fact that Warner Brothers flat out rejected the notion of multiethnic protagonists is ludicrous. Something&#39;s wrong with you if you seriously have a problem with said notion. Like I said, I&#39;m sure a white guy like me complaining about the situation isn&#39;t very comforting or helpful; it may even be infuriating to some. I must sound like the archetype for a naive, raving talkbacker, but I&#39;ve never felt more compelled to speak out against the movie institution for any reason than I have now. If the casting decision remains as stands I will not see this movie no matter how good it is. I&#39;m serious. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>On a lighter note, I agree with the person(s?) who thought Christian Bale would make a good Batman. He&#39;s got the acting chops, he&#39;s pretty buff, and I can buy him as the brooding type.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:18 p.m. CST

    This could be great.

    by guy1234

    Why are so many people whining about this. The way he described the Batman-Superman relationship seems pretty much DEAD-ON to me. Am I perhaps missing something here? Peterson, while not the greatest director, is still a good choice. And, although I&#39;m a little skeptic about them actually getting good ACTORS in the roles, it at leastr shows that his heads in the right place. As for the casting, how&#39;s about Russle Crowe for Batman. I kniow he would never agree to it, which is sad, cause he&#39;s the most perfect actor for the role, posssibly ever). Christian Bale would be perfect for Year One, but they should probably go for slightly older here(Kurt Russsel maybey?). Bruce Cambell is of course the perfect Superman, but it&#39;ll never happen, so how about Brandon Frasier? For Lex Luther: Kevin Spacey or Michall Rooker. The Joker is my personmal favorite DC character ever, so I hope they do a good job w/ him. I like the idea of TIm Roth, but personnally think that Gary Oldman is the PERFECT choice, bar none. Also(and this is a stretch)I think Dennis Hopper could make a good one too. Louis Lane: Rachel Wiez(if she can adopt an English accent). Gordon: Harvey Keitel or Kris Kristofferson.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:19 p.m. CST

    the future of the batman franchise

    by Mister_X

    I say they make this movie, then one more Batman sequel to end all the Batman sequels. Then kick-off an entirely new series based on the Batman Beyond show. Gotta love that new slick black and red costume.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:23 p.m. CST

    WB: Who made the Matrix better, Laurence Fishburn or Keanu Reeve

    by pavlovs_dog

    actually, I wouldn&#39;t mind seeing Laurence Fishburn in more movies, but as he is (unlike Keanu) an actual actor, he does plays as well.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Brooklyn Bred is pretty spot-on by the way

    by Ribbons

    For the most part. Although I hope you&#39;re not generalizing there, buddy. And my dick is 8 inches ;)

  • Maybe Year One.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:35 p.m. CST

    I cast my vote for Guy Pearce as Superman

    by pavlovs_dog

    I imagine it would be a similar temperment as Ed Exley, which he did quite well

  • July 9, 2002, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I know one thing....

    by Virgil Sollozzo

    By the time of this one&#39;s release, the fucking marquee better read "World&#39;s Finest", not fucking Batman vs. Superman.Seriously. And second i doubt this movie will feature some kind of knock-down, drag-out fistfight between the two, but more like a falling-out and a rift between their methods and personas. (I bet anything they reteam after Superman saves Bats&#39;s life in a pinch or something like that.) That said, Alan Cumming IS Joker. Diesel as Batman? ?? Seeing him as batman is one thing, but bald, ethnic, Diesel as Bruce Wayne? Uh No. Even if he grows hair, which would look silly on him, his look is all wrong. Diesel as Croc maybe, or Mr. Freeze. or Zasz. And Matt Damon can so act. He&#39;d be a welcome choice as the Dark Knight. And Brooklyn, right on man, right fucking on. You made vallid points. A small minority of these posters can say the most ignorant things about blacks and black culture, they come off so insecure and pathetic. A bunch of severely anti-PC neo-nazi nerds. "Whaddya mean i dont have the right to be a racist hateful insensitive jerk? Thats new-age hippy crap!"

  • July 9, 2002, 11:40 p.m. CST

    If you wanna see Bats kick Supe&#39;s ass across Gotham...

    by JTylor

    Check out Frank Miller&#39;s Dark Knight Returns, at the end of which Batman creates a powered-suit, patches it into Gotham&#39;s power-grid, and, with the Green Arrow around to make a well-timed shot with an arrow tipped with Kryptonite, says: "I want you to remember who beat you, Clark". God that&#39;s a great story.

  • July 9, 2002, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Gotta agree with Priest Youngblood

    by Ribbons

    You know next to nil about &#39;Batman vs. Superman&#39; and some of you guys are already declaring it&#39;s going to stink. Petersen&#39;s a pretty capable director, Walker&#39;s a pretty capable screenwriter, the idea is vague and potentially good (or bad, I&#39;ll admit) and maybe, just MAYBE, the women&#39;s roles WILL be interesting and good and not just T&A. Then again, with all this demographic stuff... Anyways, I&#39;m actually kind of relieved. I figured the two would be hypnotized into fighting each other or something like that, which could have been pretty lame. By the way, I know Petersen said he wanted guys who could act, but I think Guy Pearce is a little too anorexic to play Superman.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:01 a.m. CST

    All I have to say is, those movie execs deserve to be hunted dow

    by SpacePhil

    This is, by the way, a statement of disgust, not an actual budding incident of homicidal rage. But hearing about shit like this... Christ.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:12 a.m. CST


    by StukaPilot

    World&#39;s Finest will soon go away. Only Superman will rule the day. You have been warned. You have been saved.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Why don&#39;t DC push for some of their other superheroes to hav

    by VirgilHilts

    Superman vs. Batman sounds like the worst idea ever. DC have so many other characters to choose from and they don&#39;t have to be huge either. Most people didn&#39;t know who Blade was before the movies and I bet that most people have no idea who Daredevil or Ghost Rider are either even though you who are reading this probably do.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:27 a.m. CST


    by superninja

    I think you&#39;re wrong. Matt Damon can act. I thought his performance in The Talent Mr. Ripley showed that he has range, and isn&#39;t afraid to take on a role that most actors would shy away from (I was not bored by the movie at all, btw). In Ocean&#39;s 11, he did a fine job being the rookie, and underplayed the part except for the hilarious scene with Bernie Mac. In The Bourne Identity, he again underplays a role that probably a lot of "A List" talent would&#39;ve gone overboard with. I&#39;m not saying he&#39;s Pacino, but I think he has a natural instinct to play characters in a subtle way which gives them a human quality. Actually, I would compare him most to Ed Harris. And I admire the choices that he has made. He&#39;s not doing big budget movies that are just about cashing a paycheck. It appears that he&#39;s not interested in being a superstar - he wants to act and make interesting movies and stay out of the Hollywood scene. However, I AM fan, and obviously biased. Quite honestly, I think people would be fairly surprised if Damon played Batman, say, in a Year One context. But he&#39;s not right for a Superman vs Batman project. This movie has mature themes and should have actors that reflect that.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Random Thoughts

    by FrankCobretti

    Random Thought #1: I prefer the bittersweet ending of ROTJ described by Lucases collaborater better than the original. I&#39;ll just imagine that&#39;s the one that got made. RT#2: Lawrence Fishburne would make an excellent Batman, and Nicolas Cage would be a fine Superman. LF could go scary and dark, like his Searching for Bobby Fischer role, but dangerous. NC could go displaced alien who gloms onto the American dream as only an immigrant can. You could have some fun with racial friction, painting Clark as a Kansan who thinks blacks have it great in America because Dr. Huxtable seemed to be doing all right, while Bruce is a New Yorker who remembers Abner Louima each and every day. RT#3: that guy from JAG is a 100%, Grade-A PUSSY. I say this from personal experience. His complete lack of balls would show in a superhero costume. Sorry about the disjointed - ness. I&#39;m trying to shift my sleep cycle to the right. Cobra out.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:38 a.m. CST

    I really can&#39;t believe some of the casting choices listed he

    by superninja

    The reason that DC has a harder time with their characters than Marvel is because DC characters are more akin to myth. DC is a land of gods and monsters - absolutes, whereas Marvel is about making superheroes as human as possible so the reader can identify with them. Marvel is much more accessible than DC. They bring a touch of reality to their characters. How can you possibly identify with Superman? You really can&#39;t. You just have to admire the idealism, or shoot it down and say he&#39;s naive. DC is black-and-white. Marvel is shades of grey, like the world we live in. When you&#39;re dealing with big themes, you don&#39;t hire a "hot" young actor to portray them. It won&#39;t hold up. If they&#39;re going to do this project right, there has to be some sense of history to the characters. They can&#39;t emerge all "bright, shiny and new" to face each other. They have to be able to stand for what they represent - they have to be world-weary. No one is going to believe that a couple of actors that look like kids represent the dark and light sides of justice. Unless it&#39;s just a superficial exercise by WB, which I wouldn&#39;t put past them. They need to cast people that can come off as battle-hardened mature characters who believe that their way is the right way.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Love Ender - Don&#39;t be Idiots WB !

    by fan_tasia

    Ender&#39;s Game is one of the best sci-fi novels written. And I hope that WB doesn&#39;t screw it up. And about the racist thing. What the hell are they thinking ? Some of the main characters in the story are clearly ethnic ! His best friend is arab. I always thought Bean to be a black kid. And his nemesis is latino. Token ? I think not ! I&#39;m even more worried about where they&#39;re going to find so many talented child actors to play these incredible kids ! And as for the grownups, it doesn&#39;t matter what race they are. They&#39;re practically face-less in the book to begin with. The media has such an effect on culture. When the hell are they going to step up to the plate and be courageous enough to lead by example ! Take the high road for once Hollywood !

  • July 10, 2002, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Mike Bay should direct!!!

    by Miami'sCanadian

    For some reason I know most people are against popcorn films and Bay is the god of them but a superhero flick with the biggest superheroes should be done full scale for commercial entertainment. With the Doomsday/Superman huge fight sequence in comic books well how about the guy who did the Pearl Harbor bombing sequence to bring it to life. And the best two people for the roles are Tom Cruise as Batman and Nic Cage as Superman. Fine call me a fucking idiot, but I&#39;m good looking.

  • July 10, 2002, 1:15 a.m. CST

    THIS JUST IN! Michael Jackson seen Picketing WB Studios

    by MST3KPIMP

    Ya HAD to see that commin

  • July 10, 2002, 1:15 a.m. CST

    I know the casting!

    by Johnny Dagger

    They will probably cast Ben Affleck as both Batman AND Superman. Know why? BECAUSE GOD FUCKING HATES ME.

  • July 10, 2002, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith Was Right

    by Dymond

    The Internet Gave People a voice, and everyone is using it to bitch about movies.Billy Zane as Lex Luthor.

  • July 10, 2002, 1:36 a.m. CST

    The Real Deal on Batman and Superman

    by POE_et

    OK, first off, the person who said that Mel Gibson could pull off Batman is the dumbest person alive. Second, Jude Law as Supes, no way! You need someone with that square jawed, home grown look, I say do a talent search and most likely a firefighter would get it, until then Bruce Campbell as the Big Blue School Boy. As for Batsy? I&#39;d say either Alec Baldwin or Michael Keaton, but they need to work out, dammit! Tobey Maguire and Wesly Snipes both did that to show dedication to the superhero gig. And finally, all you who are dissing these up and coming comic movies are just still upset about the jokes that were &#39;Batman and Robin&#39;, &#39;Fantastic Four&#39;, and &#39;Captain America&#39;. But it&#39;s in the past, so let it go, there are many talented writers working with the directors to make sure comic properties don&#39;t get skull fucked by greedy production companies. &#39;X-Men&#39;, &#39;Blade&#39;, &#39;Blade 2&#39;, and &#39;Spider-Man&#39; should be proof enough that the tide is changing and these movies will be great thanks to talented pens and responsible companies. Don&#39;t dispair, in a couple of years, you&#39;ll be kicking yourselves in the ass for knocking these movies before you&#39;ve seen them. Peace. I&#39;m sure a lot of people will tell me to fuck off, but, freedom of speech is what makes this country great, so let it rip, boys, give me your best shots.

  • July 10, 2002, 1:50 a.m. CST

    HOT TIP: Here&#39;s where WB is heading with Batman vs Superman.

    by seehearfeel

    My "spies" who are very close to the execs at Warner Bros are telling me that Warner Bros is going the PC route for the Batman Vs Superman project. Get ready for this one folks... apparently, after tons of pressure from the gay rights activists, both characters in the film will be gay! That&#39;s right, you read it correctly! And also, the supposed tension between Batman and Superman will be more of the sexual variety, eventually leading to some sort of a love story! WOW! Who would have thought??? They&#39;ve brought in the "Reverend" Jerry Falwell to direct! DAMN, this is gonna ROCK!!!!

  • July 10, 2002, 2:08 a.m. CST

    You know how that whole Hugh Jackman as Wolverine thing worked o

    by superninja

    Let&#39;s see more of this here. I don&#39;t want to see aging actors trying to prove their virility. No actors over 40 trying to suck in their gut, or having it held in with body armor. At the same time, no 30-something actors that look like they&#39;re youths. Cast unknowns. Actual actors who aren&#39;t interested in Box Office receipts, but who want to prove their abilities. Hugh Jackman was a major find. I have to believe that there are other actors out there who are worthy of a shot at a starring role.

  • July 10, 2002, 2:16 a.m. CST

    What about...

    by Paco

    Billy Zane as Batman. He plays the perfect rich snob, and I&#39;m sure he could buff up a bit.

  • July 10, 2002, 2:38 a.m. CST

    sounds cool

    by tav


  • July 10, 2002, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Supporting Cast...?

    by Mister Feces

    !!Ashton Kutcher as Jimmy Olson!! More believably-- Linda Fiorentino as Lois Lane. Guy Pierce as Commish Gordon (think L.A. Confidential). I wouldn&#39;t like it at all, but I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if Ah-nold was mentioned in at least one gossip site/mag for Luthor. Otherwise, Jude Law as Superman and Christian Bale as Batman are good choices. They need to go young with casting these leads. A big problem with the Batman franchise was the implausible casting. Put your fond memories aside and be objective here--Keaton is a second rate, liver-spotted stand-up comic; Kilmer is a Julliard creampuff known for temper-tantrums more than acting ability (and when he does act, it usually involves wincing or letting his mouth hang open like a retard); and Clooney&#39;s got nothing but breezy charm and a smooth voice, making him his generation&#39;s Dean Martin. If Warner Brothers follows the logic it used in casting the actors above, they&#39;ll probably give us Mel Gibson (whose face looks like a baseball glove) as Batman and Nicholas Cage, sloe-eyed poster child for nepotism, as Superman. Ugh. I&#39;d rather watch the Super Friends.

  • July 10, 2002, 3:10 a.m. CST

    FYI it&#39;s WWE now not WWF...

    by turk128

    agentclock: Tyler Mane was one of the worst miscast I&#39;ve ever seen (HHH would have been perfect :) ---------------- superninja: "I&#39;m TRULY hoping the versus aspect is more about their warring ideaologies, not actual Dark Knight-style fisticuffs. Because that&#39;s just stupid." Just wondering, have you ever read Dark Knight Returns? --------------- Dark Knight Returns is the perfect script (& storyboard) for WB&#39;s latest brainchild but instead they&#39;re going for a watered down, PC version. Wouldn&#39;t be surprised if the cast looks like rejects from WB teen sitcoms.

  • I&#39;ve always wanted to see Superman and Batman in a movie together just to see the conflict between the two. But I&#39;d rather see two seperate movies in production at the same time leading nicely into the Batman/Superman movie. I can picture the final shot of the Batman movie with a battle worn Batman looking up to see a red and blue streak across the sky. Then in the Superman movie as Superman flies off into the sunset his telescopic vision picks up a figure in the darkness as he looks closer he sees Batman squinting up at him into the light. If they could pull off these two movies it&#39;s really build some excitement for the Superman/Batman movie.

  • July 10, 2002, 5:22 a.m. CST

    thought Joel Schumacher had BURIED the Batman franchise already!

    by mooncake

    is it still possible to do another Batman related film after Joel Schumacher screwed it up so badly? let the Batman movie RIP.

  • July 10, 2002, 5:54 a.m. CST

    mc&#39;g&#39;s superman?

    by spunkyprince

    that no talent muthafucka? pleeease god, no!!!

  • July 10, 2002, 9:15 a.m. CST

    PHUCK WARNERS!!! It&#39;s Fine To Cast Blacks And Hispanics As T

    by The Founder

    Waners need to look at themslves as one of the biggest reasons why they may feel that whites won&#39;t go see a film that has to many minorities in it. Like all of Hollywood they insist on putting minorities in boxes, and always have to focus on a sterotypical aspect of the minority character&#39;s race, unless it&#39;s Denzil, Freeman, and Jackson sometimes. Yes Will Smith is cool, but he is still boxed in all of his films. If movie studios would just make a PHUCKING MOVIE, instead of attaching some defining aspect of a minority character, then maybe white people wouldn&#39;t feel scared to see a film with to many minorities. I mean what white person here can&#39;t look at Denzil, Will, or Chow Yun Fat and not be able to tell they aren&#39;t white?? Nooo, but Hollywood have to add in some racial reference along with the non white character. Screw Warners, I hope Ender&#39;s Game TANK, I know I won&#39;t see it with an all white cast, and a few sterotypical minority characters, shucking, and jiving in the film, no thanks I&#39;ll past. I can hear the hiphop theme music, when the scene cuts to the black kids that are featured, and them speaking in ebonics, with their platinum chains. White people are to intolerant, and I&#39;m sorry to offend any whites here, but your race thinks the world revolves around them, and eveyone else is beneath you all, never mind that this planet is supposed to be for the HUMAN RACE, and other living things to SHARE.......BROOKLYN BRED your posts are spot on.

  • July 10, 2002, 9:18 a.m. CST

    casting fuckups

    by spanKING1

    Bale would be great as either hero!Damon NO,Affleck...maybe,Campbell NO,Law are you fucking kidding....Vince vaughn my arse....Nic cage is about as super as Liberace....Vin Diesel....I don&#39;t think so.....but the film does have the potential to be bigger than Titanic with all the fans both hero&#39;s have.......Clive Owen is not the next fucking bond, they would use timothy dalton before that fucker........and as for the whole racism thing I think it is disgusting of W.B to label all white cinema goer&#39;s as prejudiced as a white english bloke skin colour does not affect my decision to see a particular movie.....and I think the comic&#39;s Static and Icon would be extremely cool on the big screen.

  • July 10, 2002, 9:22 a.m. CST

    RE: Munchinsonton Go Phuck Yourself, You Moron, And Ask Youself.

    by The Founder

    about all those films you mentioned with a Black cast like, Woo, or High High who greenlit, and wrote those movies???? Last I checked no African American currently in Hollywood has the power to greenlight a film, or other wise you&#39;d see quaility films, and not all that shucking and jiving that goes on with black characters that aren&#39;t A-List.

  • July 10, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST

    not really wb being racist

    by upright citizen

    what people fail to understand about the movie industry is that they couldn&#39;t give a damn about about race, they want to make money and they are analyzing past results of movies and they believe america will be racist when choosing to see the movie or not. if they thought a movie totally comprised of aliens would do better than having white people they&#39;d insist that every other character had to be an alien. remember for most big corporations its all about money nothing more, nothing less

  • July 10, 2002, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by PriestYoungblood

    Another talkback that started out interesting and gradually descended into idiocy. Alas.

  • July 10, 2002, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Russel Crowe as Batman, Guy Pearce as Superman

    by Tommylapid

    They were great together in LA Confidential, and they are Physically suitable for each respective part. And everyone knows that Australians/New Zealanders make better male heros than Sepos

  • July 10, 2002, 10:38 a.m. CST

    By the way

    by Tommylapid

    They should just base it on Frank Miller&#39;s incredible "The Dark Knight Returns". It has the Batman/Superman fight built in. Then you can also bring Joker, two face, and Catwoman (albeit as an old lady) into it.

  • July 10, 2002, 11:40 a.m. CST

    upright citizen, you&#39;re missing the point

    by Arthur Bannister

    I understand the point you&#39;re trying to make, but just because they&#39;re only doing it for money, doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s not racist. Many people who fought to keep black people out of their neighborhoods only did it because they were afraid it would hurt their property values. When banks redline black neighborhoods and turn down loans, or when police use racial profiling, they&#39;re just following "legitimate" patterns in the data, and if the data said to reject loans to Asians, they&#39;d do that too. But that&#39;s cr*p. All of these things stand in the way of real racial equality, and they need to be stopped. White people need to get used to seeing more people of different racial backgrounds in "mainstream" (currently a code word for white) movies. And studios need to get used to the idea that your cast doesn&#39;t have to look like "Friends" to avoid being ghettoized as an "urban" movie.

  • July 10, 2002, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Wanna make a new superhero movie ? Make Unbreakable II !!!!

    by TC-14

    Get it in the works Shyamalan !!!

  • July 10, 2002, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Can&#39;t they at least...

    by Kid Z

    ...title this Batman and Superman: WORLD&#39;S FINEST?!!? Just call me a purist.

  • July 10, 2002, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Brooklyn Bred.. You are a hateful bitch..

    by Wesley Snipes

    And I&#39;m not sure I&#39;d be so proud of honkies drooling over "our women" (which is basically Halle Berry & Tyra Banks).. Halle physically looks like a white girl with a tan while Tyra Banks needed a caucasian-style nose job and fake titties to become popular. Ignorant hateful fucking posts like yours just makes things worse.

  • July 10, 2002, 3:54 p.m. CST

    by thebrokenflame

    You all seem to be being babies about the Batman and Superman sequels, you seem to act like THEY were the ONLY comic adaptions that were horrible, i mean look at STEEL that is quite possibly the worst comic adaption ever produced...or better yet the Punisher...stop whining

  • July 10, 2002, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Stop whining!

    by thebrokenflame

    You all seem to be being babies about the Batman and Superman sequels, you seem to act like THEY were the ONLY comic adaptions that were horrible, i mean look at STEEL that is quite possibly the worst comic adaption ever produced...or better yet the Punisher...stop whining

  • July 10, 2002, 5:31 p.m. CST

    wesley, what the fuck?

    by Virgil Sollozzo

    how can youook at halle&#39;s nose and mouth and call her "a white girl with a tan" . Yeh, certain pictures would substantiate that but not if you really look at her. I once said the same thing about her as you did. And second, if she does look eurocentric, maybe thats got something to do with the fact that she is half-white.

  • July 10, 2002, 10:46 p.m. CST

    WB, Cut the Crap and go for it- JUSTICE LEAGUE THE MOVIE!!

    by thevision

    Superman Vs Batman doesn&#39;t sound too good to me. The title itself is lame. I&#39;ve got a feeling the WB is getting cocky from the success of the enjoyable but overrated "Smallville." Despite what Petersen wants, WB is gonna make him go the DawsonCreek routine and hire a couple of young punks and screw with continuity! I&#39;m old school and think Superman I is the greatest comic film ever made with Spiderman a close second. Richard Donner did the smart thing and went for a total unknown who (gasp!) looked like Superman in the comics. Then again, back in the seventies, a studio could take a chance and hire an unknown, corporate 21st Century ownership of studios have made them very leery of putting an unknown in the lead of a megabudget film. We lucked out with Spiderman cuz Tobey Maguire looked like Peter Parker and Sam Raimi wasn&#39;t bullied into hiring Heath Ledger. Anyhoo, back to the subject at hand. Sh!tcan Superman Vs Batman, delay Superman, Batman Year One and WonderWoman and combine the budgets of all the movies and do the Justice League of America. Paul Dini should be the mastermind. Casting should be Shannon Elizabeth as WonderWoman, Vin Diesel as Martian Manhunter, Issac Washington (Romeo Must Die and Exit Wounds) as Green Lantern-yes, Hal Jordan GL would be my first choice, Kyle Raynor GL my second but WB has to have ethnic diversity like in the animated series and I understand their logic- Paul Walker as Wally West Flash, don&#39;t give a sh!t who plays Hawkgirl, and.... the OnStar guy as Batman or David Boreanz and last but not least- short of Christopher Reeve making a miraculous recovery- AN UNKNOWN ACTOR WHO F#*KING LOOKS LIKE SUPERMAN!! NOT BRENDAN FRASIER, NOT BRUCE CAMPBELL, NOT MEL GIBSON, NOT BENDAMONMATTAFFLECK OR WHOMEVER!!!!! Besides, hiring an unknown to play the lead- yes Superman will be the star- will save the WB a sh!tpot of money. Get the right cast and do the advanced marketing before the pre-production. Alex Ross should do the poster. The trailer should be like the X-Men movie, introducing each member using the Hero symbols like the lightning for Flash, Green Lantern symbol and so on...Batman second to the last and of course the Big Red S introduced last. Release date: July 4th of course. WB needs to combine their big guns in one film. If done right with the right cast, they could possibly eclipse all the stuff Marvel has coming out. Opinions?

  • July 11, 2002, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Artist but Movie Director wanna-be .....

    by JDanielP

    Yeah, ... I&#39;m just another guy who never went for the "big dream" because "growing up" meant being realistic. So, ... I went for being an artist instead of going for it in Hollywood, as a filmmaker. But maybe my "two cents" here will mean something to someone at Warner Bros. I grew up on comic books and this movie is like a dream project to me. The age of all characters to be portrayed is obviously very important. Is this the FIRST time that Batman and Superman meet? If so, ... then younger actors may be required. Though I don&#39;t yet have a strong opinion of actor to play a young Batman or Superman, ... I do think that Allan Cummings ("Spy Kids") would be a great choice for the Joker, ... and likewise for Reese Witherspoon, as Harley Quinn. George Clooney was certainly not at fault for the "movie" interpretation of "Batman and Robin", ... as he is certainly capable of a much darker, intense and cunning Batman. So if Batman and Superman are in their prime, the contractually bound Clooney would be, ... well, ... "super". Otherwise, ... anything wrong with going with the OnStar commercial-Batman? -- And Gene Hackman would be a great Commissioner Gordon. After all, ... didn&#39;t he look the part in "Enemy of the State"??? And hey, ... if you&#39;re having trouble finding a "Superman", ... a friend told me that my 6&#39;5" self should play the part. "Great Scott!" "Great Krypton!"

  • July 11, 2002, 1:56 a.m. CST


    by superninja

    If this is the first meeting of these characters, then you have no movie. Well, you&#39;d have a movie, but it would only be a lot of show with no substance. The conflict between Superman and Batman is not about youthful conceptions of morality. It&#39;s about two men who understand justice, and see their way as the best way. Superman is idealistic, Batman is pessimistic. They&#39;re black & white. Two sides of the same coin. And so they clash against each other, wanting the same solution. A young character who is just defining what they stand for is not going to work. And putting young actors in parts that should be mature - not going to work. This movie should be about a conflict of ideaologies that find a middle ground. They find a way to work together, even though they don&#39;t think alike.

  • July 11, 2002, 2:42 a.m. CST

    The enemy&#39;s gate would of been down

    by mookiedood

    (Okay, talkback bleed-over is really spreading now but, then again, I must point out the fact that I am one extremely clever son of a bitch.)

  • July 11, 2002, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Any objections to .....

    by JDanielP

    ..... Howie Long as Superman VS. George Clooney as Batman???

  • July 11, 2002, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Tom Welling = Superman and Vin Diesel = Batman

    by Forney

    Think about that. those two fit the roles perfectly.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:03 a.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    Nice words, superninja. Maybe you should be a screenwriter,...that is, if you&#39;re not already. I like your opinion. Given a little time to set in, ... I do very much like the thought of Batman and Superman being experienced when the two of them meet. I&#39;m very excited about this movie, ... seeing great potential in these contrasting characters sharing the same screen. Even the Opening Credits have so much potential, both visually and musically. Can&#39;t you hear the contrast in music with the brightness of Metropolis and the darkness of Gotham, ... as with the contrast of Superman and Batman??? I already love this movie, ... if only I could share the movie that plays in my mind&#39;s eye with the rest of you. Here&#39;s to hoping we see the "WORLD&#39;S FINEST" superhero movie come 2004.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:32 a.m. CST

    by Mr_B

    It looks like a lot of people are looking forward to the potential conflict between Superman and Batman, and I would definitely agree. My one hope is that after the two have to team up to face whatever threat they face and subsequently defeat it, they don&#39;t go with a typical hollywood ending and have them shake hands and say "you know our methods may be different but blah blah blah blah". My personal favourite team up ending was the end of Batman/Spawn when on the last panel Spawn gets a well aimed batarang to the face. Granted it wouldn&#39;t have the same effect on Superman....but you get the picture.

  • July 11, 2002, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Howe Long/Superman VS. George Clooney/Batman

    by JDanielP

    I am actually quite comfortable with Howe Long as Superman, ... assuming he would "test" well, for the role. (Heck, isn&#39;t that Lois Lane with him in those Radio Shack commercials???) And George Clooney CAN in fact play a much more intense Batman. I imagine that Howe Long and George Clooney could be great opposite each other in this film. But the success or failure of the movie mostly depends on the artistic vision of the director. I loved "IN THE LINE OF FIRE", Wolfgang Peterson. Best of luck with "BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN".

  • July 17, 2002, 4:09 a.m. CST

    not warners racism!

    by u.k. star

    this is the reply i got from osc. through (an agent?) kathleen..... "Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:56:45 EDT Subject: Re: -- ENDERCON COMMENT -- To:, Dear Kathleen, No confirmation at all. He&#39;s apparently getting this from the rumor on Ain&#39;t It Cool News, which got a completely mixed up version of events. Warner never was asked for the clause described - the clause I spoke of at EnderCon was one I suggested much earlier, in a memo provided to a different funding agency, long before Warner was even involved. Warner has been nothing but supportive of the process we are engaged in and is committed to making the best possible film version of Ender&#39;s Game. As for other books in the Enderverse (hate that term), right now I&#39;m the only one with the right to write them, but I have already attempted before and will probably attempt again to invite other writers into the Ender Universe to write stories about characters I simply haven&#39;t time to explore. Nothing is set in stone, and I&#39;m sorry if I gave that impression at EnderCon. My point was that no matter what happens with the movie, my books will still exist, and the movie will not erase them. Meanwhile, we have a creative team assembled - including the Warner executives involved - who all want the same thing I want - an excellent Ender&#39;s Game movie - and are all agreed on the same fundamental storyline combining the core story elements of Ender&#39;s Game and Ender&#39;s Shadow. Orson Scott Card " there ya go. nothing like a little research guys

  • July 22, 2002, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Ender&#39;s Game

    by endersshadow

    This movie will be the best movie of the year (when it comes out) next to Lord of the Rings (if it comes out within the next two years). I have read Ender&#39;s Game and Ender&#39;s Shadow both tooo many times to count and I am getting ready to read them again just to refresh my memory a little.

  • Aug. 8, 2002, 3:10 p.m. CST

    White casting novels is nothing new in Hollywood. It would be no

    by Jonemnemonic

    Starship Troopers is one of the worst examples I can think of. The novel was about people in Argentina, who are presumably Hispanic. But for the movie they found the whitest cast they could possibly find and yet kept the Argentina backdrop and even the names. Dune wasn&#39;t much better. For a planet of desert-dwelling descendants of Islam living under a sweltering sun and killing each other for water, they sure are pale-skinned. As for Ender&#39;s game, they could probably get away with it. Honestly, while reading the book, I had imagined mostly white characters, with the exception of Alai and Bonzo. All of the other children at the school were just background. It would be an absolute shame though, if they ever made Speaker of the Dead and decided to white wash the entire colony of Lusitania. Just imagine the Christian people of the Colony New England studying the Piggies and the Ungluer virus. Natalie the Xenobiologist and her lover Leonard, and her father figure Peter. The problem with Hollywood is that the people who finance these movies beleive that if you show too many Black people, then the movie-going public will think it&#39;s a Black movie. Show too many Hispanics and it&#39;s a Hispanic movie. Too many Asians and it&#39;s an Asian movie. Why then can&#39;t they see that if they show people of every race, then it&#39;s a Human movie. And it is. Besides, if White people are so concerned about the race of the people in the movie, they&#39;re going to be drawn by the main characters, all of which are white. It&#39;s not like they&#39;re going to be appalled when they see the Battle School is filled with children of different races. That&#39;s what makes the whole thing smack of racism. If it was just about money, then having the main characters be white would be the only concern. It&#39;s the fact that Warner Brothers feels that this "elite school" that represents the best of what humanity has to offer should only have white children with just a few exceptions, that screams out racism, and worse, perpetuates a white supremist attitude. I have no delusions about how deeply racism stills runs in this country, but you wouldn&#39;t think a major studio could get away with saying something like that.

  • July 21, 2004, 12:48 a.m. CST

    A question about I, Robot , then...

    by ssywak

    So, was "I, Robot" a black movie?