July 1, 2002, 8:08 a.m. CST
Sounds like it kicks ass.
July 1, 2002, 8:09 a.m. CST
....the complex nature of Lovecraftian Horror, while still appreciating it's pulpy, darkly comic undertones that so often go unnoticed in other adaptions. While I hope and pray that del Toro will get the huge funding needed to adapt 'At The Mountains of Madness,' and will be able to transfer the almost contradictory elements that make it such a brilliant, terrifying piece of work (the vastness of the open arctic plain juxtaposed against the claustrophobic, nearly internalized grip of horror), I shall suffice myself with what sounds to be yet another solid work from Gordon. // e.
July 1, 2002, 8:16 a.m. CST
That film was alright, but if thats better than Dagon, then I don't suppose its my kettle of fish. Still, Dagon sounds quite good.
July 1, 2002, 9:04 a.m. CST
You gave Godzilla a positive review. You gave TPM a positive review. You gave Minority Report a negative review. YOU GAVE THE MOST COMPELLING, AMBITIOUS AND INGENIOUS SCI-FI FILM IN AT LEAST A DECADE, A NEGATIVE REVIEW. Oh. My. God.__________*credibility describing graceful arc as it soars out the window*___________*SPLOOSH*...
July 1, 2002, 9:11 a.m. CST
I didn't think MR was that great, either, and apparently a large chunk of the country hasn't been particularly impressed, checking the grosses....but if you're looking at this as the definitive moment when Harrly lost his credibility, you're not looking hard enough.
July 1, 2002, 9:40 a.m. CST
by Smilin'Jack Ruby
Just curious. I'm sure there are some, but I thought the movie was great. I haven't seen any bad reviews as I haven't seen it really reviewed anywhere, but anybody who hasn't seen this one can rest assured that it really is a solid bit of Lovecraft and a great directing job by Gordon. I really enjoyed this movie, frankly.
July 1, 2002, 9:42 a.m. CST
Based on that reasoning, then a large chunk of the country thought Shawshank Redemption was utter garbage, and Twister--an Oscar-worthy masterpiece. I really don't think box-office receipts are the most reliable barometer for measuring a movie's quality. Do you? Thanks, but I think I'll reserve judgement on this Dagon thing until I hear what Jeff Craig of 60 Second Previews has to say about it. And I suggest you all do the same.
July 1, 2002, 10:02 a.m. CST
Exhumed Films is a horror & cult film co-op in the Philadelphia - Southern New Jersey area. We'll be screening a double feature of Stuart Gordon Lovecraftian movies, DAGON and FROM BEYOND, on Friday, August 2nd. Stuart himself was possibly going to host, but due to work commitments is unable to attend. Yes, the film comes out on video a week or two before this, but don't miss your chance to check DAGON out where it belongs: on the big screen. For more info about Exhumed Films or directions to the theater, check out www.exhumedfilms.com
July 1, 2002, 10:02 a.m. CST
by Some Dude
"Dagon" sounds great. Books are books and film is film. It makes sense that there are usually differences between a story told on the screen and the page. It seems that a lot of the attempts at Lovecraft cinematic translation have ended in on-screen defecation. "John Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness" is an exception. A veritable greatest hits of Lovecraft, it has scares a-plenty. Without getting trapped by the minutiae of one Lovecraft tale, Carpenter and DeLuca are freed to play with what makes the stories so much fun to read with the lights off: gross-outs, mysterious buildings, weird old people, creeping dread and unnamed gods. Also, the new GameCube game "Eternal Darkness" borrows liberally from Lovecraft. "The Lonesome Death of Jordy Verrill" segment from "Creepshow" is a playful retelling of "The Colour Out of Space."
July 1, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST
Ummm...did you ACTUALLY use B.O. numbers as an indication of a film's quality? Dear oh dear, my friend. Inspector Gadget made 5 times as much domestically as The Shawshank Redemption. Is that sentence enough to make you feel like a chump? Or do you want me to go on?
July 1, 2002, 10:13 a.m. CST
The Phantom Man-Ass made nearly a billion worldwide. Bow your head in shame for equating gross with quality.
July 1, 2002, 10:25 a.m. CST
by weird v3.0
I must confess: I didn't like this movie just because I was specting much much more. Everything that is there is pretty damn fine (gore, non-stop chase scenes, freaks under the rain, nudity, more gore), but the script left me someway unsatisfied. Jeez, there was LOTS of possibilities here, and they were only scratched! Anyway, Loor to FactasticFactory (remember 'Faust-Love of the damned?' - same producers here). PS: visit Spain! You'll be seeing this kind of films months before than in the states! PS2: visit Spain! You'll be kidnapped by horrid mutant fishy motherfuckers that will tear your skin and sacrifice your hottie girlfriend (pussy!!) to an ancient god of impossible name. PS3: visit Spain! No more fucking paella! Not even fucking bullfighting! WE ALL GIVE HUMAN SACRIFICES TO CHTULU HERE IN THE LAND OF SUN!
July 1, 2002, 10:26 a.m. CST
Oy, I bow my head not, as I were being faceitious, but at least my point was made.... and I thought *I* was bad with the box office info, but if you know- off the top of your head- the earnings ratio of 'Inspector Gadget' to 'The Shawshank Redemption,' I *shall* bow to that.
July 1, 2002, 10:42 a.m. CST
You weren't being sarcastic. Do yourself a favour and admit that you actually meant what you said about MR and grosses. Backtracking and claiming it was sarcasm is a very VERY poor attempt at a comeback. I'm Irish. Believe me when I say I know sarcasm when I see it. The only reason I know Gadgets BO off the top of my head is becasue it was burned onto my brain forever when I read it. It was definitive proof that 80% of the movie-going public are morons. Ergo 80% of people are morons.
July 1, 2002, 11:01 a.m. CST
Not the smelly kind. Box Office success relies on fuck all quality most of the time. Look at last year (almost the whole summer). People were addicted to shit, and let gems die a sudden death (A.I. even though the end sucks). But this year is different. Spider-Man and AOTC are brilliant, and it shows. But cos I live in the UK, I don't get to see it til the press screening on the 9th July. I'm not paying to see thank god, but I do have to review it. Hey, thou shall not judge before thou sees the fackin movie.
July 1, 2002, 11:06 a.m. CST
On the 9th of July. I have seen AOTC and Spider-Man and they both deserve the big bucks that they are making.
July 1, 2002, 11:16 a.m. CST
DH, I really wish I had the free time to spend the two hours or so in line. In fact I really wish that my legs were strong enough to stand two hours in a line, alas they are still too weak after last year's accident. I still tend to get to theaters on average about an hour before they let in. Though due to my legs I tend to go straight to my seat, rather than have a problem. And if you or anybody else comes up and strikes up a conversation, I'll converse. Those people you seem to think are V.I.P. types I'm always hanging around are in actuallity friends (college students, dental hygenist, knife sharpener, slackers, computer technician and so on) The reason I wasn't IN-LINE for the Stuart Gordon event, was I arrived at the Alamo Drafthouse at 10am Saturday... Watched THE TIME MACHINE, went to lunch, came back for THE SALTON SEA (agreed great little film, produced by AICN buddy Frank Darabont though, so technically I must be paid to say that) followed by DAGON, so when you saw me at the theater, I had already put in 9 hours of attendence, and after DAGON I hung out at the Drafthouse for another Hour plus talking with attendees, my friends and Stuart. As for your problems. Perhaps I have a particularly good ear for heavy Spanish accented English, plus understand Spanish at a near fluent level, but I understood everything that was being said. I loved his telling of the story. I didn't think his escape was funny, I thought that they showed that all escape routes had the townspeople covering them, so his fire and escape with a filleted side of man stretched on a rack was pretty smart. If you notice, he used that to block full views of himself from the townspeople. I wasn't laughing, I was smiling at his ingenuity. As for the hotwiring of the car scene.... I thought... AT LAST! Finally we have a character in a film that attempts to hot wire the car only to have something other than the car starting right up occur. I've seen characters that have led straight lives all their life, get in an emergency situation and instantly seem to know how to hotwire a car. PERSONALLY, I wouldn't have a fucking clue, and knowing my dumb fucking luck... the HORN would go off. To me, that wasn't funny, that was... HOLY FUCK! Ya see... it meant he wasn't gonna just drive off, but was in yet another fucked up situation. As for never giving a friend's movie a negative review... Well, first off I wouldn't necessarly be so bold as to call Stuart a friend, I've met him on 3 separate occassions... each time for about a total of 3 hours life time interaction. He's quite nice, i'd say he's an acquantance, but he's never given me anything, flown me anywhere, or any of that shit. My only real association with this event was giving the Drafthouse his phone number and email address and Stuart and Tim did the rest. Tim wanted to put AICN on the event, so I said, "Ok". But really I didn't do anything on the event, other than let site readers know it existed. As for why I don't write up big intros for all my reviews still... Well, I don't know if you have noticed, but my reviews tend to run around 1500 to 3300 words long normally. On rare occassions longer. If nothing particularly relevant to my state of mind during the screening took place, I don't just make shit up, I just go into the review. I mean, I could have written reviews for TIME MACHINE and SALTON SEA as my intro for this review, and talk about the splitting headache I had that went away during the Disney produced animated VD ATTACKS short, but frankly... none of that had anything to do with the screening.
July 1, 2002, 11:38 a.m. CST
The more I look on into this film, the better it sounds. I live in the UK, and sometimes a film gets shown at some Arthouse cinemas (Cameo and Film House in Edinburgh) that normally wouldn't get a release. Hell, it was the only place to catch Memento other than the UGC. Interesting though, UGC helped fund Amelie and they showed that for 2 months. Still, I will be on the look out for this film.
July 1, 2002, 12:12 p.m. CST
Ever heard of SUMERIAN mythology? The Sumerian people believed that a reptilian extraterrestrial race, the "Anunnaki" (the ones who came down from heaven), established a colony here on Earth approximately 300 millenia ago. They used a worker breed of their own race as labourers, who would mine the ore and till the soil for the Anunnaki elite, the Igigi. One day, the workers were sick and tired of being treated as inferiors by the Igigi, so they began an insurrection. After many riots and a siege at the elite's private residences, the rulers agreed not only to integrate the worker breed into their previleged society, but also to create a primitive slave race to replace them. The leader of the Igigi, Enlil, asked their foremost genome expert, Ea, to create this slave race. Ea took some of his own genetic material, and combined it with the genetic material of a race of primitive ape-men native to the Earth. After six days of hard work, the first human beings were born. The human race was supposed to be nothing more than another dim-witted worker breed, but something unexpected happened. Ea was supposed to take the genetic material of a labourer Anunnaki, and instead he decided to create humanity IN HIS OWN IMAGE. The human race began a rebellion of their own eventually, and having learned how to use Anunnaki technology to their own advantage, they even managed to cast their entire reptillian race off of our terrestrial paradise. Our extraterrestrial creators swore that they would return one day, and exterminate our race with the tremendous destructive energy of the Dark Star (the Dark Star was said to have disintegrated the planet Phaeton, once situated between Mars and Jupiter. All that remains of it nowadays is the asteroid belt.) Sumerian mythology totally rules, and since it predates the early Mesopotamian roots of the Book of Genesis by at least two millenia, I seriously think that it bears the truth pertaining to humanity's origin.
July 1, 2002, 12:15 p.m. CST
by Shabba McDoo
As an up-and-coming film buff (one that has a LOT of catching up to do), I can at least get a little inspiration from the guy's un-adulterated love for everything cinema. That's doesn't mean I share his taste in movies, though. Lately, I'd say I've agreed with 1/5 of his reviews. But hey, that's what it's all about. Having your own opinion and sharing it with the world. (and as a side note; you can call me call me anal all you want, but I really, REALLY wish he'd tidy up some of his reviews before posting them)
July 1, 2002, 12:20 p.m. CST
this is set in north spain, actually it was shot in Galicia. I tis definitley not the mediterranean look some people were afraid of. This movie is crap anyway.
July 1, 2002, 12:32 p.m. CST
by Max Rockatansky
July 1, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST
okay-um, sumerian mythology obviously made no reference to genetic engineering. But it does sound extremely interesting. I always thought we humans had some wierd physical characteristics that don't appear in any other primates, but reptiles? hmmm. From whence came your knowledge of sumerian mythology, Moderator, and where can I get a copy?
July 1, 2002, 1:05 p.m. CST
Thanks for listing Angel Heart Harry- it places the mood perfectly for this film which I am looking forward to seeing. I enjoyed the Devil's Backbone and Angel Heart belongs in the same category. Lovecraft on film- cool!!! Now if only Howard's Worms of the Earth.....
July 1, 2002, 1:21 p.m. CST
Debi Mazar spends the entire movie in a sweaty bra and Charles Dance plays a crazed cyborg space pirate. See this movie if you haven't yet! It's a classic! "Allow me a moment to coordinate my seldom-used reproductive sequences."
July 1, 2002, 1:47 p.m. CST
I'm from Spain and this film premiered here last year to no audiences. It was a complete flop and an embarrassing failure. It's sad that Paco Rabal's career ended with this piece of sh|@#
July 1, 2002, 2:04 p.m. CST
by Magic Milkmaid
Wow that sounds like cool shit. It's not often you read anything as interesting on these talkbacks.
July 1, 2002, 2:15 p.m. CST
Because Harry's reviews mean nothing to me anymore.
July 1, 2002, 2:18 p.m. CST
...they refer to the DNA molecule as "the tree of life", and illustrations of it present on their stone tablets clearly represent its double-helix structure. As for the inherent reptilian traits of the human race, there exist a vestigial third inner eyelid (something definitively NOT present in other primates, but rather in the majority of reptiles), not to mention that human thought patterns seem to revolve around sexuality and violence most of the time, both of these originating from the reptilian part of our brain. As for pertinent literature, there is the book of Atram-Hasis (spelling?), also named "When gods were men", and "He who saw the deep", better known as the Gilgamesh epic. Another detail of interest: the planet Phaeton, once situated between Mars and Jupiter, was disintegrated by the Dark Star because it was believed to be the site of an important rebel base (there was a significant revolutionary movement against the totalitarian reign of the Anunnaki race at the time). Somewhat similar to Star Wars, isn't it?
July 1, 2002, 2:18 p.m. CST
moderator acquired his "knowledge" of Sumerian mythology from reading Zecharia Sitchin books. You can buy them on amazon.com if you're interested...
July 1, 2002, 2:41 p.m. CST
...but from what I hear, his interpretation of Sumerian myth is somewhat inaccurate. I, on the other hand, am a mythology addict. I've read pretty much everything from Homer's Illiad to the Book of Enoch, so trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Sure, I've interpreted Sumerian myth in a sci-fi sort of way, but I simply don't see any other way of interpreting it. If a person living in Sumeria over 6 millenia ago writes down a story involving what is apparently reptilian extraterrestrials, starships, clones and lightsabers (referred to literally as "swords of fire"), then I'm prepared to believe everything he tells.
July 1, 2002, 3:22 p.m. CST
Wow, that's pretty freaky. While I don't necessarily believe all of that I am prepared to believe some very weird stuff went on many thousands of years ago of which we retain only dim racial memories encrusted with legends. Eg, most cultures around the world have a Great Flood myth which probably refers to the thaw at the end of the last ice age and subsequent rise in sea levels. Also our stories of trolls, ogres etc are quite likely to be the remanants of stories about the encounters with Neanderthals our ancestors told twenty thousand or so years ago.
July 1, 2002, 3:53 p.m. CST
Lovecraft is one of my heroes. My namesake, the band Morbid Angel, puts alot of his works into song.. sick shit.. finally a nice Left Hand Path movie. can't wait to see the olden gods take over the screen with a worthy director and such.. none of that straight-to-video Necronomicon shit, a REAL Lovecraft flick. I'll count the days...
July 1, 2002, 4:03 p.m. CST
by otis von zipper
May is the clear winner there. Dagon is worth seeing though, especially for the great locale and fun special effects (actually, great work for that budget). But May is a another story. Pay no attention to the reference to a "female Frankenstein", for that really doesn't pertain. Instead read the user comments on imdb.com or look up old reviews on AICN. Seems that almost everyone who has seen it loves it. Will Lion's Gate be putting it in theatres, though?
July 1, 2002, 4:10 p.m. CST
Just read a DVD review at DVDfile.com. Sounds like it ain't too bad...great 'cause I'm not gonna make it to Austin this week.
July 1, 2002, 4:43 p.m. CST
Looks like Harry tried to learn a new word today and didn't quite make it. Here's some clarification from Merriam-Webster for you, big guy. "Penance": an act of self-abasement, mortification, or devotion performed to show sorrow or repentance for sin. "Pittance": a small portion, amount, or allowance.
July 1, 2002, 6:06 p.m. CST
It's really great that you've read everything from the Iliad to Enoch (neither of which have anything to do with the topic at hand, of course), but you still haven't answered Astaldo's question: if not from Sitchin, then where did you get this stuff? Are you a fluent reader of ancient Sumerian? Or did you read a translated work by someone influenced by Sitchin? Because the mythology you're describing sounds *exactly* like Sitchin. (For what it's worth, I think it makes for a pretty cool story, too, though I doubt whether any of it is an accurate translation. But then, not being fluent in ancient Sumerian, how would I know?)
July 1, 2002, 6:21 p.m. CST
All kidding aside, this film sounds pretty cool. I'll check it out if it ever makes the rounds to my neck of the woods. P.S. Hey Splinter, the most compelling, ambitious, and ingenious SCI-FI film in at least a decade is not MR, it's gotta be Donnie Darko. Sackaroni out.
July 1, 2002, 6:46 p.m. CST
This sounds like it will be a good film. Good Lovecraftian adaptations are hard to find. The closest anyone has come to Lovecraft is possibly "The Resurrected", which is an adaptation of "The Strange Case of Charles Dexter Ward" or "in the Mouth of Madness". "The Resurrected" was directed by Dan O'Bannon and features effective use of darkness (in some key scenes, the only light is a single flashlight), and melds Lovecraft's original tale with a detective story, right done to the downbeat "noir" ending. "Mouth of Madness" of course, was all about the paranoia and fear associated with one man learning THE HORRIBLE, NAMELESS TRUTH before everyone else. Plus, it is the screen debut of Hayden Christensen, which IS pretty scary... Now, if someone (Del Toro) will please make "At the Mountains of Madness", which combines the best elements of all Lovecraft's stories--then I would be a Happy Boy.
July 1, 2002, 9:11 p.m. CST
by Mumford Jr.
All the Sumerian myth stuff someone posted previously prompted an interest, and therefore research in me about the subject. It was the idea of planet Phateon (sp?) that led me to a site that is primarily christian--now I know that can turn a lot of people off, but I don't understand why the possibility of a race creating us that was featured in the old conan the barbarian cartoon wasn't. I do believe in Christ. I'm not fanatic, and I'm not going to force my beliefs on anyone, but the following makes a lot of sense to me in connection to a race of lizard men from the stars who mated with earth women. I apologize for being off subject, but it's the idea of a hybrid sea type man that got all this going in the first place. The children of the unlawful connections before the Flood, as recorded by Moses in Genesis 6:4, who became the "mighty men which were of old, men of renown" no doubt gave rise to the countless legends of the loves of the Gods; and no doubt the subsequent repetition of the crime after the Flood reinforced these traditions. These explain the numerous passages in the Classics, as well as in the ancient literature of other languages, in which human families are traced to a half divine origin. Doubtless many of the mighty labors accomplished by the earlier descendants of Noah, such as the pyramids of Gaza, may be considered to have sprung from reminiscences of pristine grandeur, and fragments of lore, handed down by forebears who had lived a portion of their existence in the previous age. Thus reams of mythology have been generated which is taught in public schools to this very day. Now mythology enshrines the remembrance by man of the earliest actions and teachings of these fallen angels and their hybrid offspring of superhuman vitality. Such had come from the heaven and became gods and they were worshipped as such. They had imparted "life" to humans, they had performed spectacular miracles, and revealed great truths, never before imagined. They had returned to the stars according to Satan's delusion but not before they left a promise to come again!
July 1, 2002, 9:28 p.m. CST
For those really keen on seeing more Lovecraft, check out some of the 1960s-era movies based on his stories rather than the post-RE-ANIMATOR stuff. THE DUNWICH HORROR, DIE MONSTER DIE (aka COLOUR OUT OF SPACE) and THE SHUTTERED ROOM are three titles that come to mind. None is great but all three make an effort to replicate the Lovecraft sense-of-dread style. The best of the three is probably THE SHUTTERED ROOM, which was adapted by Lovecraft disciple August Derleth.
July 1, 2002, 9:41 p.m. CST
First off, I'm sure Mr. Gordon is a nice guy, has a nice life, never did anything wrong to anyone, blah blah blah. So this is not an attact on him as a person. But it sure as hell is one on his artistic endevours. He is the worst director, maybe of all time. Alright , second worst. (Congratulations, Mr. Shoemacker or however you spell your name) Gordon has no vison. No style. No sense of plot. No sense of direction. No sense of storytelling. His films just sit there. They are boring, horribly acted, and with no life to them whatsoever. I have never been able to understand the fasination with Re-Animator that so many people have. What, because a severed head "eats" a girl? Maybe people can find that funny when your 12 or 13 years old, but despite the lovely Barabra C., its a pretty stupid scene. RobotJox? Are you kidding me? Dolls?, Pit and the Pendulum? From Beyond? Admittedly, I have refused to see any thing else with his name attached to it, So no way in hell do I care if this new disaster gets released or not.Anyway, thats just my opinion. I'm sure its in the minority. Just his name reminds me of all the hours of my life that I will never get back......
July 1, 2002, 11:20 p.m. CST
Apparently Mr. Knowles never saw the 1993 Mariano Baino masterpiece Dark Waters (released in the US as Dead Waters). Considered by many as being the best Lovecraft inspired film. Creepy,eerie and full of claustrophobic scenes imagine Dark Narcissus,The Haunted Palace,Suspiria and Bergman's Night of the Wolf combined. Also on the subject of reptilian aspects in the human species read Carl Sagan's award winning Dragons of Eden where he discusses the primal reptilian forebrain. Hopefully this film doesnt get stiffed like Dog Soldiers and Ginger Snaps with no US release.. these studios gotta wake the fuck up. They release something like Baise Moi but look past these films. If it aint total martial arts action or artsy sex films it aint gettin' picked up.
July 2, 2002, 4:16 a.m. CST
by Crimson Pirate
I think it is fitting that it was shot in Spain. The opening reminded me of a Bunuel film. When the girl threw the guy
July 2, 2002, 9:21 a.m. CST
The Wicker Man, without the breasteses. Quite the encomium, though, Harry. As usual, you've got me wanting to see it just to find out if it's all that. Plant.
July 2, 2002, 12:01 p.m. CST
I can't wait for this movie to come out where I can PURCHASE my copy. I have read absolutely everything Lovecraft and Lovecraftian that I can get my hands on (most of which only makes me wish for more of the real deal). I've been keepin'up with the stuff on this thing. I actually saw a preview for it on the front of something I rented this past weekend. Sad thing is I was more excited by the preview than the film I was watching (fell asleep during the movie). I can't wait can't wait can't wait to see this. I *so* wish I could see it up here in the D/FW area in a theater. I must concur that to release garbage like Jason X into theaters, even dollar theaters - which is the cheapest you can see something other than 99cent day at Albertson's or borrowing from some fool who has rented it for way too much $$ - is almost a criminal act. I don't think a lot of people get/like Lovecraft. His writings don't get a lot of respect. What respect it does get is usually from other writers, people who are "in to" those darker sides of 'life' and this wonderful man, Stuart Gordon. I've seen many of his films... I gotta meet this guy and chat with him over a couple of rum'n'cokes about his cinematic passion and my admiration of it. I truly do appreciate it. I hope with all my heart that he gets APPROPRIATE funding for a faithful (as faithful as can be expected) adaptation of Innsmouth. I hope he continues, delving deeply into the strangely beautiful work of Lovecraft. I await the arrival (onscreen, of course) of a believable Cthulu. I know he's the man to give it to me, to answer those hopes I have. The people who are "nay-sayers" have been and will continue to be ignored as ignorant of the true meaning behind the genius of HP. Appearently those people have no idea of the things that would not exist without Lovecraft's influence. Educate yourselves. Pick up a book occassionally. It will do you a world of good.
July 2, 2002, 1:35 p.m. CST
pictures of event http://www.kordelski.org/gallery77.html
July 2, 2002, 2:02 p.m. CST
What the fuck?! Not only was Genesis mistranslated, misinterpreted and oversimplified throughout the millenia, but its apparent that it is nothing more than a resumed version of the beliefs of both the Sumerian and Mesopotamian people. I can't understand why ANY intelligent and rationnal individual would still believe in what a primitive semitic tribe merely imagined 5 milenia ago. Do you lend credence to the principle that the earth is only 6 thousand years old?
July 2, 2002, 3:08 p.m. CST
After seeing a review on AICN about a month ago for this movie, I thought it might be cool to check out. As luck would have it, there was a DVD screener for the movie when I went to work a few days later. And I watched Dagon instead of taking the Devil's Backbone screener. I have to say, it was approximately 90 minutes of my life that I will never get back. :( I'd like to throttle that dude who gave it such a glowing review. While I am not a die-hard Lovecraft fan, nor a huge horror fan, but I do enjoy good movies ... and Dagon is not a good movie. Harry talks about how this catured the Lovecraftian atmosphere almost perfectly ... he could be right, but all the atmosphere in the world can't save a movie with terrible writing and acting. Good lord did Ezra Godden (the main character) suck in this. Every scene which was supposed to be tense or horrific was ruined by his acting. I don't think he could convey horror to the audience if he had a cattle prod up his ass. Not so much Ezra's fault was this stupid little logic thing his character kept doing. Because he was a "computer guy" he kept rattling off this "every situation has two possible outcomes" crap. The whole binary thing made me nauseous. I had no problem with Francisco Rabal's accent during the flashback scene, but the fact that the whole story was told to Ezra's character when the person "chasing" him was five feet away was fairly ridiculous. It seemed that most of the movie was Ezra in ridiculous situations just so he could run away from the "webbed" people. And to finish off on already bad movie, the ending seemed almost tacked on, as it did not follow the flow of what had been going on in the movie. Perhaps this was a good flick for diehard Lovecraft fans, but I'm gonna stick with movies like John Carpenter's The Thing or Jacob's Ladder if I want to be weirded out.
July 2, 2002, 3:50 p.m. CST
by Mumford Jr.
Moderator: I do not believe that Earth is only four thousand years, but I've heard the theory, and you know... everybody has them.. theories... and almost all of them make sense in some way or another. That's what makes it all so hard. I forge the exact details, but there is a theory having something to do with the Earth's magnetic poles in relation to it's age that makes sense, but it's not something I believe no. The Sumerian mythology I was reading and generally interested in above is also something that can be believed only by those with an open mind. I mean really--lizard people. Despite this, I was interested enough to do research and the only other person to address was an astronomer who happened to be a Christian, and in direct relation to Sumerian myth a lot of what he got from the bible in his way and theorized made sense. According to him, there was a time when demons came from above.. the stars.. bringing down knowledge that was forbidden and therefore enlightening to humanity, and also mating with them.. and creating unholy offspring the likes of which could be chalked up to Grendel and Lilith. And even Goliath. Eventually, through the intervention of these beings from the stars, and the tainting of man, all life became unsalvageable except for a few people, and thus we had the flooding of the Earth by God to save what he could, but not before these creatures left for the stars with promises to return. According to this guy, what really happened is they were imprisoned in Tarturus by God. Now..there was some guy who said Sumerian mytholgy was "cool." You can say what you want, but that is also "cool" in it's own way. And in relation to Sumerian beliefs, it makes more sense to me than us being genuinely engineered by lizard men. You have no idea how torn apart all of these beliefs have me. Everyone is trying to completely crush someone else's beliefs. Sometimes as a minority, and someone who agrees with the plight of Native Americans, I believe that Christianity was forced upon many an unwilling people, and the belief in the Great Spirit, was just as good as believing in God, but Christianity gave many a race of people hope, and I'm not sure if it was an opium of the masses, or what, but I am a least open to it Moderator. In a world, of millions of negative influences vying for our attentions and beliefs, Christians have lost credibility for their own lack of will to bend and improve upon their own beliefs, and for being fanatics. I'm agnostic a lot of the time, and after all that i've typed I think i can say it with good reason. And you know, this is kind of dumb, but I'm sure everyone in this talkback listens to music. Rock and roll directly comes from rhytm and blues, and both of them come from soul music, or negroe spirituals. Passion like that has got to come from somewhere doesn't it?
July 2, 2002, 3:55 p.m. CST
by Mumford Jr.
few spelling errors in my previous post. I assure everyone, what I meant is i don't believe the earth is four thousand years old, and any other error was just because my fingers don't always catch up to my brain and I don't dig spell check.
July 2, 2002, 4:34 p.m. CST
by Jango Matt
I'm probably going to get tarred and feathered for saying this, but I actually really enjoyed John Carpenter's "In The Mouth Of Madness". I can't say I'm a huge Lovecraft fan as I haven't read his whole body of work, but what I have read I have extremely enjoyed...very creepy, nightmare making stuff. He really knew how to chill you down to the marrow in your bones. Anyway, Stuart Gordon rocks and I think Dagon is gonna kick ass..wish it was getting a theatrical release, but at least Halloween: Ressurection is, nice to know Hollywood knows what it is doing....(heavy dosage of sarcasm courtesy of all the bashing me and my friends have been giving the POS Halloween sequel-no, I havent' seen it yet, and yes, I try to keep an open mind-but when 99.9 percent of all reviews coming out of it say it's shit, that usually means that guess what, it is)
July 2, 2002, 4:39 p.m. CST
by Jango Matt
BTW, you can put DAGON on your Save list on Netflix-just reserved my copy over there-man I love Netflix.
July 2, 2002, 5:34 p.m. CST
like most people in Spain...ok, i
July 2, 2002, 5:55 p.m. CST
Speaking of Spain and THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE, I saw that puppy today on VHS. Fortunately I have a very large projection TV with a terrific sound system. Almost as good as a movie theater. DB is terrific, right up there with THE OTHERS. The subtitles do not present a problem, for anyone who may be interested in seeing this one. And the digital effects are simply amazing, far better than I might have expected from a low-budget foreign film. How could this not have played in theaters?
July 3, 2002, 12:13 a.m. CST
Seriously Harry, get an editor.
July 3, 2002, 4:49 p.m. CST
Did someone say that John Carpenter's Into the Mouths of Madness was the best Lovecraft film ever? What, are 'you' mad? That's a terrible film. And it's not really a lovecraft adaptation. It just borrows a few images and names. It's no more a Lovecraft film than that god-awful Cthulu Mansion film was. *** I agree, with the previous poster who thought The Resurrected was a very good Lovecraft adaptation. I've always thought this was a pretty cool Lovecraft film. I thought it nailed the overall atmosphere of Charles Dexter Ward. Oh, and it also had a bit of Whispers in it too by the way. Remember the things he found in the river? Anyway, in my opinion The Resurrected, The Re-Animator, From Beyond, The Unnamable, and Bride of the Re-Animator have been the only modern successes as far as Lovecraft adaptations. Oh, and The Curse; an adaptation of Colour Out of Space as well. Pre Re-Animator, there were a few good ones as well. The Dunwich Horror, Die Monster Die, The Island of Terror (this one is extremely cheezy though; Oliver Reed puts on his best 70's jive gettup for the role, and there's even a very badly choreographed Shatneresque fight scene included), and god, the list goes on and on if you consider the Lovecraft influenced (wasn't The Terror with Jack Nicholson and Karloff one of them?). Someone also mentioned The Shuttered Room. I'll have to check that one out; I've never heard of it. Thanks whoever you are. And Dead Water? Never heard of that one either. I've heard of Dead Calm. Different movie I suppose. What's Dead Water about?
July 3, 2002, 5:18 p.m. CST
I have to agree with what you said. No one said this movie was the best adaptation, but it was a good nod to the Lovecraftian story telling. It borrowed a lot from Lovecrafts various stories, and the creepyness was true. Carpenter did show some gore, but what can you expect from him? It's his style, but I think for the most part, In The Mouth of Madness was an excellent story for Lovecraft fans up until this point. Hopefully Dagon will truely be the one movie that will shine and stay near 100% legit. The only thing I hated about Mouth was that Sam Neill was in it. I hate that guy, but the movie was incredibly good and often very surreal. Not to mention I saw this with 5 friends in the theater (Theater was packed) and everyone seemed to have loved it. I even saw people jump out of their seats a few times. Haven't seen something like that since.
July 3, 2002, 6:21 p.m. CST
...but I simply do not believe that we were intentionally created by this Infinite Intelligence. God is supposed to be absolutely perfect and absolutely benevolent, and therefore he (or rather IT) would NOT have created a race as selfish and degenerate as the human race. I much rather lend credibility to the myth that we were genetically engineered by a reptilian extraterrestrial race, as our distant forefathers believed, and that we were supposed to remain nothing more than a primitive slave race. That simply makes more sense, to me anyway. And I DO believe that Jesus existed by the way, but I think that he merely was one of those exceptionnal human beings who are prepared to dedicate their entire existence, and eventually sacrifice their own life, to save their own people by becoming a martyre to respect and admire for prosperity (think of Gandhi, for instance. As for the miracles accomplished by Jesus, he wasn't the first faith healer, and wasn't the last one either.).
July 9, 2002, 3:22 p.m. CST
hi, i`m from austria, and dagon has been released a month ago. boy i really like the site, harry, but dagon is the worst crap i `ve ever seen (exept, let
July 25, 2002, 6:44 a.m. CST
when i sat down to watch DAGON, i really really wanted to like it. i had loved stuart gordon's earlier movies and i'm a big admirer of h.p.lovecraft's work. however, while i didn't exactly hate DAGON, it was still the biggest letdown i had in a long time (well, SW:AOTC excluded). and no, it isn't that i'm a lovecraft purist or that i can't stomach cheaply made movies. it's that some members of the cast were excruciatingly bad (the male lead in particular came across as some kind of third-rate bruce campbell) and/or wooden, several parts of the film were badly made even for the kind of budget it had (the storm in the beginning being a case in point) and - most importantly - apart from the bad guys being human/fish-hybrids, there was nothing in DAGON that i hadn't seen a hundred times before. also, the chase after the hero that seems to take up the entire middle part of the movie is so drawn out as to become equally boring and laughable. come on, how often can you use the old "if i stand behind a corner the bad guy won't see me and go the other way"-trick before it becomes ludicrous? even worse is the lock scene: there's half a village of fishpeople coming for the hero and it takes them FOREVER to walk up a staircase, giving him just enough time to unscrew a lock from one door and screw it to another? a tiny little lock that couldn't take a sharp look, let alone a kick or blow with an axe? COME ON! how could you take something like that seriously? i honestly hate to say it, but except for a few good scenes this was boring, unimaginative and ultimately stupid. as for the best capturing of a lovecraftian atmosphere on film, in my book that honor still goes to john carpenter's IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS (which isn't even a lovecraft adaption). so there.
Sept. 20, 2002, 6:13 p.m. CST
'Cause this movie stinks. I saw it on the strength of this review. I wasn't scared for a minute (although a few scenes did gross me out). Most of the movie feels like a "night of the living dead" ripoff, with our hero running from a whole town of slouching monsters. The homeless guy who tells the town's story is the high point of the movie. Other than that, dullsville. And when you use the English subtitles on the DVD, the spanish is still written in spanish. WTF?
Oct. 1, 2002, 3:12 p.m. CST
And I ain't just talking about the oh-so fake looking fish-people. I completely have to disagree with the yay-sayers here, because this was the biggest steaming pile of crap movie that I can remember seeing (well, other than "Cube")!! The acting was abyssmal (especially that lead actor - his voice and mannerisms reminded me of that nerdy "Eugene" character from the "Grease" movies - without the intentional humor), the script was appallingly bad, the scramble-and-chase sequences were ridiculous, and I can't help but think that Lovecraft must be spitting and cursing in his grave at this piss-poor adaptation of his story. The main character was so incredibly ANNOYING and INEPT that I was begging the powers-that-be to just hurry up and put that bumbling idiot out of his, and my, misery - because surely the closing credits would be more interesting than the movie was to that point. I love dark, eery, creepy movies, but this was a pure, stinky-cheese fest. Oh my god... I still cannot get over how bad this movie is! I could understand and MAYBE somewhat enjoy this film if it was intentionally bad, if it was INTENTIONALLY cheesy and spoofy and whatnot... but it wasn't. They were seriously trying to be scary and, for me at least, did not succeed in that in the slightest. All they succeeded in was making our little movie-watching party an all-out groanfest and giving us a "worst movie ever" reference point.
Oct. 30, 2002, 4:55 a.m. CST
Got this film on import DVD yesterday, and i thought it was great, reminding me more than anything of Raimi's first evil dead! Balancing on a razors edge between terror and humour, this was thoroughly enjoyable, with a great ending! The only film to date that really reminds me of the nightmare that is Lovecraft!