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TWO TOWERS Trailer Online!

Hey folks, Harry here... The TWO TOWERS teaser has appeared online, and this isn't the trailer that I saw. This one is much much better. It still doesn't quite have enough new footage for my tastes, but it is far better cut together, has a much better impact and is very very cool. The new shot of Orthanc and the shot of Legolas and the stairs is aces through and through. Here are the following places online I've found the trailer thus far....

ComingSoon.Net had it first!

Then TheOneRing.Net

Then Movie-List.Com

Now we have Herr-Der-Ringe-Film.De joining the fray!

The French have now put a mirror up at Elbakin.com!

If you find any other mirrors, drop me a line and I'll update this list. This movie is gonna kick some serious ass!

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  • June 25, 2002, 3 a.m. CST

    Not bad.

    by MCVamp

    But how much do you really want spoiled for you Harry? And how many Two Towers trailers are going to be on the Fellowship DVD?

  • June 25, 2002, 3:12 a.m. CST

    They won't be able to do anything about it...

    by Shabba McDoo

    ...But Goddamn if they won't die trying. This movie looks as sweet as J-Lo's ass dipped in sugar, but who else thinks numero tres is gonna' be the best of the bunch? I just have a feeling we're not even ready to be ready for that one yet.

  • June 25, 2002, 3:13 a.m. CST

    real dragons are supposed to be intelligent and talk

    by squonk

    This movie would be cooler if THE IRON GIANT was in it.

  • June 25, 2002, 3:14 a.m. CST

    never been this close

    by iamcaine2

    to first before. I accept it. I`ve never read the books, tried but just couldn`t get into them, but I saw the fotr twice in opening week,loved it. So looking forward to TT.

  • June 25, 2002, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Thank GOD Peter Jackson is here to elevate

    by Johnny Drywall

    the audience above the pandering drivel foisted on us by Lucas and Spielberg. A true hero has arisen.

  • June 25, 2002, 3:20 a.m. CST

    there were

    by iamcaine2

    two posts in front of mine a minute back, now there are posts above them, is this talk back system time fucked or what! You fuckers who are gonna start ranting about LOTR vs. Star Wars can fuck right off now. You need to go take some happy pills.

  • June 25, 2002, 3:26 a.m. CST

    ANDY SERKIS GIVES ME THE SHIVERS!

    by jalora

    He's absolutely nailed the voice of Gollum. It sends chills running down my spine.

  • I'll be honest my allegiance to Star Wars is very strong, I've been a life long fan. So your probably thinking, is it possible for a SW fan to like LotR? Fuck yes. I'm a very happy fanboy because I don't waste my time choosing sides whether SW is better than LotR, I leave that for the real dumb ass loser geeks that waste their days arguing about in this hell hole. Anyways I just finished seeing the new trailer and I got to say it looks incredible. I won't go into detail but lets just say that those last couple of shots of "Gandalf the White" gave me chills. I can wait for this one as well as Episode III in 2005!

  • June 25, 2002, 3:47 a.m. CST

    *sigh*

    by Davidia6726

    3,000 people died and there isn't anything we can do about it. Constantly pointing everything out as a reminder just limits the arts, and makes nothing better.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:01 a.m. CST

    count glockula

    by Darth Melkor

    I hear your pain, but Peter Jackson didn't name his movie The Two Towers.. JRR Tolkien did. It's a book from like 1949. The name was created 52 years before the attacks. Calling the movie The Two Towers doesn't address the attacks. NOT calling it The Two Towers does.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Why does the title of this article only have one exclamation poi

    by VirgilHilts

    Harry, surely the trailer is more exciting than the poster.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:12 a.m. CST

    The Two very Tall buildings........@^#&@#@&$^

    by Solitude

    Its not P.J's F*****g fault that some Nutters decided it would make a point to fly a couple of Buildings in New York. FFS The Novels were written 50 years ago! I was devestated(sp) when I saw the footage of the attack, couldn't believe it. But if all this PC BULLSHIT thats happening in Television and film keeps up I.E editing out shots of the towers, etc. Then you really have given in to the Pricks. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT?! Downloading the trailer now, can't wait.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:16 a.m. CST

    The Two very Tall buildings........@^#&@#@&$^

    by Solitude

    Its not P.J's F*****g fault that some Nutters decided it would make a point to fly a couple of planes into Buildings in New York. FFS The Novels were written 50 years ago! I was devestated(sp) when I saw the footage of the attack, couldn't believe it. But if all this PC BULLSHIT thats happening in Television and film keeps up I.E editing out shots of the towers, etc. Then you really have given in to the Pricks. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT?! Downloading the trailer now, can't wait.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:21 a.m. CST

    After all the Star Wars Ya-Ya, all the Spider-Man Blah-Blah, the

    by chuckrussel

    'nuff said!

  • June 25, 2002, 4:35 a.m. CST

    maybe its just me

    by iamcaine2

    but I thought there was a little tiny weeny hint of sarcasm in count glockula`s post.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:37 a.m. CST

    You've gotta be kidding...

    by Calidain

    you honestly cannot be serious about changing the title of a movie that is a direct adaptation of a literary classic??? Get a clue, the book is Called "The Lord of Rings: The Two Towers". It the 2nd book in Tolkien's trilogy!!! As tragic as the events of 9/11 were, it is just as tragic to suddenly change the titles of classic novels due to political correctness!!!

  • June 25, 2002, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Missing

    by SleepingCat

    As much as I tried not to watch FOTR for the 3rd time to see the preview and not to download the trailer, for fear of being spoiled, I cannot resist the temptation. Too bad they didn't put Treebeard into the trailer from the preview. One thing though, for those who don't know the TT story (just a few now I guess, either you read the book first, or read it after FOTR, or asked those readers what will happen next), I'm sure they are spoiled by the stunning arrival of Gandalf in the trailer. Wish I didn't see that myself, and wish I saw it first in the actual TT film - great entrance!

  • June 25, 2002, 5:04 a.m. CST

    count glockula's post

    by Chaka015

    was a joke. it was very much the same as a couple posts for this petition someone was starting to stop this movie from being called 'the two towers'. there are people out there who feel this way though. sad. renaming the movie would be retarded.

  • June 25, 2002, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Sarcasm?

    by dunedude1

    So how exactly does one detect sarcasm in text unless it is preceded by <sarcasm>. So this dude decided to be ironic or funny on a subject that could very well be pertinent when dealing with the title of this movie, and you all decide that he&#39;s trying to make a good joke, be sarcastic with us ignorant yokels, exuse us for not picking up on his keen wit right away, or even at. Shame on you for ridiculing for the people who were "dumb" enough to think he was serious. If he was being sarcastic, then it was in poor taste. I for one agree with most that there is no reason to change the name of the movie. I am sorry to all those that lost loved ones in the tragedy and respect all of the rescue workers that took efort, but I agree that changing the name of this classic would be letting it get to us as Americans. For all who are concerned, sarcasm has no place in discussing such a serious topic, so you all who condone it can kiss my ass. On a side note I want to say my prayers are with all those living with tragedy right now due to the wild fires raging here in Arizona and other western states. And to all of you immature kids making disrespectful comments, it&#39;s time to go to bed, come back when you grow up. Long live Lord of the Rings!!!

  • June 25, 2002, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Gollum = Muppet Baby Animal?

    by NeoAngelus

    Is it just me, or does the Gollum sound like Muppet Baby Animal when he&#39;s being tortured by the orcs? As he screams out "Baggins, Shire!!!", I swear I expect, "Gooooo Bye-Bye!" next...

  • June 25, 2002, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Let&#39;s be honest

    by Mitch Cumstein

    The movie was great but the books are a litle slow. Does anyone one even read the books anymore? Don&#39;t get me wrong, the books are good fantasy fiction but many other books in the genre far surpass all three Ring books. C&#39;mon, TTT was basically one long walk with very little going on storywise. Sure there&#39;s some cool stuff like Sauramon&#39;s Tower, Helm&#39;s Deep, and the battle with Shelob but as a whole the book&#39;s a litttle slow. Jackson did a great job a transforming a decent book into an epic film masterpiece. Any thoughts by those who read the books?

  • June 25, 2002, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Sarcasm

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    I agree that there is no place for sarcasm on AICN, or anywhere else for that matter. Henceforward, the only permitted humour should be fart jokes and squeaky-voiced black sidekicks.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:28 a.m. CST

    i

    by CuervoJones

    ok is sad, but a lot of people dies everyday, killed by ETA terrorists in Spain, or by Paramilitars in Colombia or by soldiers in Palestina or by terrorists in Israel...welcome to the real world. Lord of the Rings is an amazing book, and the movie is fucking GREAT.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:33 a.m. CST

    That &#39;G&#39; spoiler

    by SleepingCat

    Hey, if more people think that Gandalf reappearance should not appear in the trailer, let&#39;s petition PJ to remove it. But on the other hand, that will just bring more attention to it. Oh! The dilemma!

  • June 25, 2002, 6:45 a.m. CST

    It was obvious he was being sarcastic

    by EIFF

    You have to have at least some brains to detect it. So all that "Star Wars sucks/rocks, and LOTR own Lucas&#39;s ass stuff really ain&#39;t doing much to your IQ. Some people are really sad on this site, and sadly its the majority. TTT looks pretty good, and AOTC did rock. Fellowship was brilliant and so was Spider-Man. I love not hating any of these movies.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Schlom...Schlom...Harry, dude, you got to audit your adds more.

    by RicardoLuv

  • June 25, 2002, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Title in Bad Taste

    by Mark Twain

    It is bad enough that PJ is calling this film The Two Towers in an attempt to cash in on 9/11, but I&#39;ve heard a rumor for the third film that I hope isn&#39;t true. The working title is rumored to be "The Return of the King." This is not a joke, although I wish it was. Obviously Americans are PJ&#39;s new whipping boy and to insinuate that America would be better served by being restored to the British monarchy is a slap at 200-years plus of my culture. The British, and their Commonwealth lackeys, have never truly accepted the American Revolution. This subversive attempt to somehow suggest that American democracy has failed has no place in mainstream cinema. I enjoyed FOTR, but PJ seems to have taken the success of the first film as some kind of license to further his political agenda. Perhaps someone at AICN can run this down.

  • June 25, 2002, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Mark,

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    I&#39;m sure a good commonwealth citizen like Jackson would love to welcome the USA back under rightful sovereignty and get rid of that silly old Rights of Bill or whatever, but I&#39;m equally sure that Return of the King will be a heartfelt plea to America to restore the true King of Kings to his rightful place in your hearts and minds, that every thought, word and deed be for his greater glory. Praise him, but don&#39;t step on his blue suede shoes.

  • June 25, 2002, 8:17 a.m. CST

    TAD

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    Have you been up all night with Mary Jane?

  • June 25, 2002, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Not a fan...

    by Naughty_Sauce

    ...of the fantasy genre. Guess I just wasn&#39;t exposed to it enough in my childhood. Never read the books, never played D&D. There were a few fantasy films that did capture my imagination as a child. Labyrinth, The Never Ending Story, and Willow (among others), but LOTR did nothing for me. There just wasn&#39;t an original moment in the entire film. It might have been original 50 years ago, but the fantasy genre has been done to death (if not in films then in other forms of media). All the characters come off as fantasy stereotypes. I think a reworking of the books would have been more fun than a straight translation.

  • June 25, 2002, 8:20 a.m. CST

    At least we have LOTR to tide us over until Spiderman 2 and Epis

    by Atticus Finch

    These movies should be good filler until the real blockbusters come out!

  • June 25, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Personally, I&#39;d like to thank Glockula

    by PriestYoungblood

    For breathing some life into a LOTR talkback. Pretty funny post, assuming I read it correctly and it was sarcasm. And for you dorks who rose to the bait, sarcasm ro no - why bother? Anyway, this trailer looks sweeeet, even though I spent 30 minutes just getting one of the sites to load, sicne there are 2 billion people checking them out right now. Anyway, proceed with the AOTC and TPM bashing!

  • June 25, 2002, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Two Towers

    by EvilMudda

    Erm...sorry for being pedantic...but wasn&#39;t the WTC called the &#39;Twin Towers&#39; and not the &#39;Two Towers&#39;

  • June 25, 2002, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Double Helix&#39;s Triple Take...

    by Double-Helix

    Trailers, thanks to the internet, are now like receiving a huge bag of your favorite candy. You don&#39;t want to get sick of the distinct taste, but you keep indulging until the magic slowly wears off. Thankfully, I still have a ways to go with this series, and specifically, the latest LOTR trailer! As if FOTR didn&#39;t have me convinced, the ENTIRE casting of LOTR looks beyond inspired! Even the most basic lines that I probably missed when reading the books sound incredibly epic and poignant whenever they leave Mr. Mckellen&#39;s mouth. Same goes for Bernard Hill, and the rest of the cast (I&#39;m acting like I just saw the entire film...) Seriously though... From the first moment I laid eyes on what Peter Jackson and his crew were accomplishing down-under, I knew we were going to be witnessing cinematic magic. It&#39;s really difficult to quantify exactly what makes these films seem so magestic, serious, and believable. Personally, I&#39;m beginning to think Andrew Lesnie is half-man, half amazing! Now, to anybody who delighted in the BABE films they probably already knew that the man really had a knack for filming. Like a magician, he can bend light and darkness at his will! Helm&#39;s deep looks fantastic, and it&#39;s good to see that we&#39;re in for some more coreography. FOTR felt real, but I prefer a well staged fight to realism... Look at Aragorn&#39;s entrance... all that backlighting is surely fit for a king. The Rohan armour is beyond words. There are soooooooo many details within any given frame it&#39;s almost scary. Everybody that was involved with this project... FELL IN LOVE with this project and that&#39;s the difference folks. A big-budget labour-of-love was an oxy-moron until Peter Jackson some how got his hands on this project. Now, if your one of the few people who still think it is, you&#39;re a moron..oh and kids... stay away from the Oxy... unless, of course, you want scars as significant as the those found within the pysche of a hard-core Starwars fan. Denial will get you knowhere. The first step to recovery arrives on December 18th.

  • June 25, 2002, 10 a.m. CST

    Which Two Towers? The World May Never Know

    by Vanyar

    All, JRRT never really specified which Two Towers were being referred to. After all, HE didn&#39;t name it the Two Towers, the Publisher did. Tolkien was never really happy with his novel being printed in three volumes anyway. And when the publisher told him the second "part" was being named the Two Towers, Tolkien wasn&#39;t particularly pleased. Tolkien felt that if they insisted on using that title then it should probably refer to Orthanc and Cirith Ungol. But then he thought that might be misleading as so much had been made of the opposition between Minas Tirith and Barad Dur. At one point Tolkien thought the title could even refer to Orthanc and Minas Morgul. So even he never really settled on a final answer to the two towers dilemma. PJ has opted to focus the movie title on the "union" between the two main evil forces - Sauron and Saruman - and their respective fortresses. PJ makes that clear in both the fan preview at the end of FOTR and in this new preview. Gandalf talks about the union in one, Galadriel in the other. Although I can be a pretty strict purist on some fundamental concepts in LOTR, I have no problem with this approach at all. I trust PJ. As a fan of more than 30 years I was pretty wary prior to FOTR coming out. Dec. 19 allayed those fears resoundingly. I have no doubt TT will be even better. Pax, mellon.

  • June 25, 2002, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Help

    by orlandocfa

    Is anyone able to put up a copy of the trailer in a format other than Quicktime? I can&#39;t use quicktime here at work, and I don&#39;t know if I&#39;ll be able to wait until I get home to see this!

  • June 25, 2002, 10:22 a.m. CST

    &#39;Curse this metal body of mine...&#39;

    by Dru

  • June 25, 2002, 10:22 a.m. CST

    &#39;Curse this metal body of mine...&#39;

    by Dru

  • June 25, 2002, 10:23 a.m. CST

    awesome

    by topcad

    I am plowing through the book(s) right now. And the images in my head are nothing compared to what Peter Jackson has dreamed up. I think I would be a lousy production designer. Seriously, if you haven&#39;t read the books or haven&#39;t tried to read them in a long time, give it a shot. The images leap off the page and the movie does help. I can&#39;t wait for December!

  • June 25, 2002, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m sorry...

    by Dru

    ... that&#39;s... never happened to me before. Ahem... Anyways, curse this freakin&#39; phone connection. I shan&#39;t be looking at this until tomorrow. Dammit... Out, under duress.

  • June 25, 2002, 10:26 a.m. CST

    About Freakin Time!!!

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Notice guys, 3 exclamation marks? Newline, PJ, thanks, about time some TTT news etc came out. I loved Spiderman and thought AOTC was ok, (despite some, okay a lot of reservations...) but now it&#39;s swung back to news about the best "movie/s" to come out in a long time. The trailer looks great, though it seems a bit rushed. I don&#39;t really care about Gandalf the White being revealed. True LOTR fans know anyway, and everyone else will learn sometime. PJ showed in FOTR that he still has more than a few surprises up his sleeve, (something that GL could very well learn from...) So I guess we&#39;ll have to trust him again. At the very least, even if there are no major surprises, at least we&#39;re still getting a wonderful (from all appearances) movie. Cheers.

  • June 25, 2002, 10:54 a.m. CST

    this looks awesome

    by Javeryt

    I am a huge LOTR fan, I&#39;ve read the books twice, and I&#39;ve listened to the excellent BBC radio drama all the way through probably over 20 times(yes I&#39;m a loser). I loved FOTR and this looks like it will one-up it! I don&#39;t see how people can say that the books are boring, they are incredible, and exciting, and every fantasy book ever written since has copied off of it! The Similarrion(sp), now that was boring. By the way, I loved AOTC too.

  • June 25, 2002, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Two towers name change petition

    by Astaldo

    It is a damn good thing that ridiculous petition to change the name of The two towers to something "less reflective of current events" never gathered much steam. I mean, what else are they going to call this movie? "Legolas and Gimli kill orcs while Frodo and Sam meet Gollum"?

  • June 25, 2002, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Fluffygreycat

    by Naughty_Sauce

    As an adult, and as a geek, and as a pc gamer, I have been overly exposed to the fantasy genre. I just don&#39;t care for it. I was a child when I watched Willow. I have fond memories of it just like I have fond memories of the rest of my childhood, but I have no desire to watch it again any time soon.

  • June 25, 2002, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Cool ..but

    by Vizzini

    I really liked the first teaser...the music used at the start was more effective and the King of Gondors speech was worked in very well.

  • June 25, 2002, 11:46 a.m. CST

    No more movies based on comics!

    by Richard Person

    Geez, "X-Men" then "Spider-Man," "Daredevil" and now THIS! "Lord of the Rings" wasn&#39;t even that popular as a comic book series! I remeber going to sci-fi conventions in the 70s and Tolkien would be there selling his stuff that NOBODY was buying! This is for people who can&#39;t let go of their maladjusted childhoods and admit that, just because it was made when you were 10, doesn&#39;t automatically give it retro-cool geek status! What&#39;s next? A remake of "The Black Hole"!

  • June 25, 2002, 11:50 a.m. CST

    WHY AIN&#39;T THEY NO BROTHERS IN LOTRS

    by barrywhite

    DAMN STRAIGHT! I LOVE LORD OF THE RING BUT WHY AIN&#39;T THEY GOT ANY TIGHT AFRO WEARING BROTHERS PIMPING HOBBIT HOES IN THIS MOVIE. OR A FEW FUNKED UP WIZARDS HOLDING UP GANDALFS BACK, REPLACING THERE WIZARDS STAFFS FOR A BIG FAT CANE WITH A PIC OF AFRICA ENCRAVED ON ITS ASS. DAMN BROTHERS ARE EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND WHY SHOULD MIDDLE EARTH BE ANY DIFFERENT! SHITT

  • June 25, 2002, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Beautiful.

    by JRo

    Everything, from Brad Dourif (!!!) as Grima Wormtongue to Andy Serkis&#39; masterful voicing of Gollum...looks to kick major ass. There just isn&#39;t anything bad to say about it. But try anyway.

  • June 25, 2002, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Spoiler.... kind of... in a way

    by mykll42

    This is a talkback for the trailer so I assume everyone has seen the trailer but, to be fair, etc. The return of Gandalf has to be given away early. If it isn&#39;t, his return becomes a little too pat. What pays off well in print would come across as an attempt to bring back the big star in a film. Also, you completely lose McKellen for the hype machine, and the man is a media/human interest draw in addition to his phenomenal charisma and talent. Also, Ian McKellen (X-Men and LOTR) and Christopher Lee (SW and LOTR) have got to win some kind of prize for astounding commerical success late in their careers. It has to be the icing on the cake of long entertainment careers.

  • June 25, 2002, 12:11 p.m. CST

    JUST DID GIVE U A REASON STUCKA

    by barrywhite

    BROTHERS AND WANNABE BROTHERS RISE! WE MUST STAND UP AND FIGHT DA MAN! EVEN IF ALL THE BROTHER WE GET IN THIS MOVIE IS THE CLASSIC TOKEN BROTHER THAT IS THE FIRST BITCH TO DIE WHILE PICKIN&#39; COTTON FOR THE MAN, WOULD BE SOMETHING. BUT I KNOW THE BROTHER U WANNA SEE IN THIS MOVIE IS A LANDO TYPE MUTHER F*CKER, WHO MOVES IN ON THAT SWEET ASS OF THAT POINTY EARRED BITCH WITH THE ROCK STAR DADDY. STAND UP MY BROTHER STAND UP!

  • June 25, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST

    BarryWhite...

    by moderator

    ..."there ain&#39;t no brothers in LOTR" simply because middle-earth is situated in a region of north-western europe, several millenia ago. Unless the fellowship takes an unexpected tour of Africa, I seriously doubt that any black characters are gonna show up in TTT and ROTK.

  • June 25, 2002, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Hey Vizzini

    by andrecrabtree111

    That great speech you referred to in your post was actually one by King Theoden, the King of Rohan, not Gondor. At this point in the story, Gondor has no King, simply a Steward, the Lord Denethor, father of Boromir and Faramir. Most of you probably don&#39;t care much, but I really do think you&#39;re thinking of Theoden (one of my very favorite LOTR characters, by the way).

  • June 25, 2002, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Have I just watched the same thing as you lot?

    by Miss Aura

    I seen a trailer which showed me that this is going to be one big bore, sorry but thats what I see. The greatest thing of this year will be Peter Jackson nominated again and he will lose again. Even if TTT becomes the greatest film ever made, Gangs of New York has OSCAR WINNER all over it and Scorcese will be taking home the golden statue - THAT I GUARANTEE YOU. Hard luck Pete, but theres always Christmas 2003.

  • June 25, 2002, 1:35 p.m. CST

    FOTR SUCKED ASS! Two Towers Won&#39;t

    by mindKMST

    Fellowship of the Ring was not a good movie. The writers and PJ(who is the one really to blame) attempted to make a film that managed to squeeze as many plot points of the book into a movie that was not excessively long. By doing so, they ended up with a movie that felt rushed and lacked the magic (except for the shire scenes) present in the books. Normally, I am someone who complains that movies are not faithful enough to the book. Fellowship attempted to include to much from the book at the expense of character development. Fellowship is the largest volume of the series and must set up the rest of the story. Fortunately, The Two Towers is a shorter book and should be a better movie. The parallel storylines will work well in film and allow for more character development. Jumping from one story to another should keep the audience&#39;s attention enough so that PJ does not have to resort to making this a non-stop slugfest. Of course, you can&#39;t judge a movie until you see it but I have high hopes that The Two Towers will be a better film than Fellowship was.

  • June 25, 2002, 1:36 p.m. CST

    LOTR is OVER!

    by Richard Person

    This is a latently-gay bondage fantasy that looks like a reject from an art class taught by the Hildebrant brothers! In the 70s, it was kind of cool but the time has long since passed. LOTR belongs tucked away in a moldy basement next to the "KISS on Tour" board game, pet rocks and mood rings. All of you heinie-munchers who slavishly wait for the next leather-ridden fever dream to pour out of the screen should be exterminated!

  • June 25, 2002, 2 p.m. CST

    Anyone want to bet me?

    by Miss Aura

    I say Gangs of New York will become the biggest Oscar winner in history, anyone want to bet me? I&#39;m not dissing the LOTR franchise, I just said that that trailer looked boring which in my opinion it did. What is in that trailer to make me think differently? Battles, sword fighting? What is there? If I want Fights, I will just wait for Matrix 2 and 3. Face it, if they havent got Gollum right - THIS MOVIE WILL NOT WORK. Not dissing Lord of the Rings, just saying the Oscar has already been won. The Two Towers will get nominated but against Gangs of New York it has not one chance in hell.

  • June 25, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Glockula

    by Looptid

    OK, is this Glockula guy serious? The Two Towers refers to 9-11? Jesus H Weeping, Bleeding Christ. Look, not everything is about September 11. I for one, couldn&#39;t care less that it&#39;s called the Two Towers. That&#39;s the name of the book upon which it&#39;s based! The damn book was written decades before! I wanted it to be called "LOTR: Thousands of Dead New Yorkers," but Jackson took the easy way out. I wish I had gotten my way. Look, let the 9-11 thing go. Just cuz you have the same zip code, don&#39;t act like you give a crap about the terrorist attacks, and let us have some good fantasy films without being such a whiner.

  • June 25, 2002, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Nothing to say but...

    by Halloween68

    Can&#39;t wait to see this. I hope both this and the preview make it on one or both versions of the DVD. &#39;Keeping my fingers crossed. And, yes to all... I will miss Theoden&#39;s battle hymn in this trailer I&#39;m sure. That to me, sent the goosebumps coursing up and down my tibula. Click, click. I wish they coulda&#39; kept it in. Lastly, Morgoth, you do realize Barry White was just screwing around don&#39;t you? I mean, come on... Barry White, and taking it to the man... With hobbit hoes and pimpdaddies. Heh, heh. But we appreciate the lesson on the migration of species all the same. ;)

  • June 25, 2002, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Miss Aura, I will take your bet, but answer me this first:

    by Lenny Nero

    When you say biggest Oscar winner in history, I&#39;m assuming you mean the number of Oscars it wins, right? And that it has nothing to do with box office receipts. Send back.

  • Of course, that just scares me, cause I thought Fellowship was excellent. If the next two outstrip Fellowship, we&#39;re in for a serious treat. Oh, and I can&#39;t stand what the Hildebrant Brothers do to Tolkien&#39;s characters in their illustrations, but I have to say that Alan Lee and John Howe are awesome (I lean more toward Lee, whose watercolor illustrations are quite beautiful).

  • June 25, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m Back

    by Miss Aura

    Yes, I mean biggest number of Oscars of all time. Box office means nothing, I thought you people knew that.

  • June 25, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Nothing like LOTR/SW/Spidey to bring out the talkback retards

    by hoodoo

    The trailer looks great, but yeah, they could have not shown Galdalf at all for the non-readers. Although I feel that there is some bit of foreshadowing in FOTR that might clue in a careful viewer that Gandalf isn&#39;t completely gone. FOTR is the slowest reading of the three books, and isn&#39;t it amazing how PJ turned it into a fabulous movie. I think the movies, like the books, will each be better than its predecessor. Moving Shelob to Movie #3 is a stroke of genius given the exclusion of the Scouring of the Shire. There is plenty of room in my movie world for LOTR, Star Wars, and all the rest. Bring &#39;em all on, I say.

  • June 25, 2002, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll take that bet

    by fladnaG

    I&#39;ll bet you the standard here at AICN Ms.Aura: two lean pockets. I&#39;ll even let you pick the flavor.

  • June 25, 2002, 3:14 p.m. CST

    What have you got to lose people?

    by Miss Aura

    What is the bet then? How about, if Gangs of New York does not become the biggest oscar winner of all time - I will bow down to each and everyone of you on here and never voice my opinion again. I am THAT confident about this film. Any of you got the guts to go against me on this and if I win, you never voice your opinion again? Any bet you like, if you find your faith in other films to beat this within reason of course.

  • June 25, 2002, 3:24 p.m. CST

    ::pees::

    by deftone

    omg. this was beautiful---the quality was so much better than what i&#39;ve been seeing online.... ....and it makes waiting for christmas very very difficult (AUGUST! where are you?)

  • June 25, 2002, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Morgoth, what do you mean?

    by Miss Aura

    I&#39;ll take that bet, when you are talking about me talking about LOTR do you mean...My viewing before general release in which I said it was good, quoting "Jackson has made a movie which is better than the book".... if this is dissing LOTR then I would hate to see someone praise it. You will receive $20 worth of Corona off me, if you win Morgoth. If I win, I would like to receive $20 worth of candy bars being as I dont live in the USA...I would like to try different candy. Anyone else&#39;s bet though rely&#39;s on not posting their view. $20 is breaking the bank for me. :)

  • June 25, 2002, 3:44 p.m. CST

    trailer rules but some of you ARE FUCKIN DUMBASSES, THE TITLES W

    by moose420

    before i start my rant i&#39;ll talk about the teaser, Very good teaser it was better then the first,can&#39;t wait to see the film,and sum of the new stuffwas great like legolas on the sheild and throwing grima out the golden hall but Showing Gandalf is kinda of a runiner for none book readers o and as a reply to that one guys question about the books, yeah LOTR does get a little slow but the overall masterpeace it is makes up for it AND NOW FOR MY FUCKIN RANT.... SUM OF YOU ARE FUCKIN STUPID FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING,TWO TOWERS.RETURN OF THE KING WERE ALL PUBLISHED IN THE 1950&#39;s YOU FUCKUN TOOLS, I CAN"T BELIVE SUM OF YOU ARE THAT STUPID TO ACTUALLY THINK THAT PJ WOULD DO THAT TO BE HURTFUL TO AMERICANS, U GUYS ARE FUCKIN IDIOTS AND THAT ONE GUY WHO WAS LIKE" THE WORKIN TITLE IS RETUR OF THE KING" NEWS FUCKIN FLASH THE BOOKS ARE PROBLY OLDER THEN YOU IDIOTS, AND THEN HE STARTS TALKIN ABOUT HOW THAT IS ABOUT RETURNIN THE ENGLISH MONARCHY IS FUCKIN STUPID< TOLKIEN NEVER MEANT ANYTHING BY IT SO WHY DON"T YOU A) WATCH THE TRAILER TO UNDERSTAND THE TOWERS ARE ORTHANC AND BARAD DUR and B)READ THE FUCKIN BOOKS CAUSE THEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR TALKIN ABOUT SO NEXT TIME BEFORE ANY OF YOU BALLLESS LOSERS WHO JUST STARTED TO LOVE THEIR COUNTRY AFTER 9/11 U NEED TO GET YOU SIGHTS STRIGHT AND DO REASEARCH(LIKE READIN A FUCKIN BOOK) BEFORE U CHIME IN AND MAKE A FUCKIN ASS OF YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 25, 2002, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Lord of the Rngs: The Two Towers, The Facts

    by moose420

    The film is gonna be great,the shoots they are doing right now are to make the film longer, It according to PJ will work out to be about 3 hours and the HELMS DEEP BATTLE WILL BE 45 MINUTES LONG can u belive that? Its gonna rock but what i wanna know is since they are saving shelob till the beging of ROTK what else is gonna happin in TTT? their will be no climax but i wanna see what PJ does with it, He said that they will concentrate on the mind games with Gollum,Frodo,Sam. But I&#39;m sure it will be a great film can&#39;t wait O also PJ said that The Helms Deep battle will satisfy anyones Bloodlust,so i really can&#39;t wait, CAN YOU??

  • June 25, 2002, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I trust you Morgoth

    by Miss Aura

    I trust your selection Morgoth and forget about the import tax on my end, I send you $20 worth of corona plus the import tax. I will be true to my word, its an honest bet. Please though, Please I beg you....send one twinkie please...I have never tried them and are extremely jealous of you American people. :(

  • June 25, 2002, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Two Towers will be cool, but HOW will it end?

    by Ralph Cifaretto

    I wonder if the end of TTT can live up to the wonderful finale of Fellowhsip? Without Shelob, I&#39;m curious on what note Jackson & Company will leaves us.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:24 p.m. CST

    big semi on the medoicre scale =/

    by p1nkerton

    FOTR was alright, nothing spectacular though, this just looks more of the same. I&#39;ll go see it, eventually. But matinee of course.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:49 p.m. CST

    If Shelob is out of TTT. . .

    by andrecrabtree111

    . . . remember the battle between Faramir&#39;s forces in Ithlien. That&#39;s when Sam sees the oliphaunt. That&#39;s one piece of action that can be beefed up to add action to the ending. Also, remember that before Frodo and Sam get to Shelob, they have to pass Minas Morgul. That&#39;s the very moment that the place empties out and that particular army marches off to war in Gondor. Both of these sequences, when handled by PJ, will certainly be action-packed. So, that&#39;s some of what I think will be in the second half of the movie after Helm&#39;s Deep. Plus, don&#39;t forget the confrontation of Saruman by Gandalf amid the ruins of Orthanc. That could also be the ending.

  • June 25, 2002, 4:58 p.m. CST

    this is the dumbest fucking talkback in the history of dumb fuck

    by PriestYoungblood

    Black people in LOTR? Twin Towers/Two Towers? PEOPLE!!! HOW CAN YOU RISE TO SUCH OBVIOUS FUCKING BAIT?!?!?! GOD, are you THAT desparate for a fucking topic? OK, breath in Priest, breath out. Yowza. OK, all trolling aside (I&#39;m looking at YOU, MS. Aura), this actually looked pretty cool. Loved the first movie, already ordered the DVD, looking forward to this. Hey Aura, you want American candy bars? This is the internet darlin&#39; - fucking order them. It&#39;ll probably cost you less than 20 bucks. And don&#39;t any of you bother swearing you&#39;ll never post again - what, like it&#39;s hard to come up with a new email address and user name? Hell this is probably my 7th or 8th.

  • June 25, 2002, 5:03 p.m. CST

    re: Miss Aura, gangs...

    by empyreal0

    Gangs of New York will be Scorcese&#39;s Eyes Wide Shut - an embarassment to a long career of great moviemaking. I can&#39;t believe he was so shortsighted as to cast Leo in another lead role. Leo hasn&#39;t done anything quality since Gilbert Grape, and I&#39;m beginning to think that it&#39;s because there was very little acting involved. As for the TT teaser, it&#39;s almost all material we saw back when the flickery trailer hit the web, and it doesn&#39;t hype me much. I just hope there&#39;s another moment in this film as good as the Mines of Moria sequence of FOTR.

  • June 25, 2002, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Aaahh, a fine bit o teaser, that!

    by Pallando Blue

    Quite good! Tho I&#39;ll have to watch it a few dozen more times to be sure... ;) I just grabbed the one off the first link--are there any larger versions out yet? Well, there&#39;ll be a fat full-screen version when it&#39;s released Officially, no doubt. bjarki, maybe you need to adjust your monitor settings? Even tho it&#39;s dark, and small, I could make details out pretty well (including Legolas hangin ten). *** Hmmm, I look about and see scant few discussions worth entering. A lot of jerks actually. (you know who you are! yeah, you! no, no, not YOU, relax, sit back down.) Back when the riff-raff&#39;s filed out, mellon!

  • June 25, 2002, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Racist races in LOTR?

    by empyreal0

    Let&#39;s get a few things straight. First of all, as most reasonably intelligent people in TB have noted, LOTR takes place in an ancient northern europe, so an entirely light-skinned cast should not be a shocker. Second of all, the real-world basis for Tolkeins races should be equally obvious to anyone with half a brain - just look at Great Britain. The Elves are the Celts, the Irish - they are tall and willowy, and very much in tune with nature (also quite possibly the Finnish, though). The Dwarves are the Scots - they&#39;re gruff and rugged, they live in the mountains, and fight like madmen. I&#39;m of Scottish decent, I should know this. :) The Hobbits, however, are our point of relation with the story, though, and also Tolkein&#39;s own children. Don&#39;t forget that Tolkein originated many of these stories by the fireplace for his family. This, of course, is why the TBers who have noted that the heart is in the little people are absolutely correct. I personally don&#39;t care about Arwen and Aragorn&#39;s romance. But it&#39;s PJ&#39;s vision, not mine, and I&#39;ll go to see it anyway because I love it.

  • June 25, 2002, 5:25 p.m. CST

    "The Emperor&#39;s new Clothes"

    by laguna_loire

    Can&#39;t wait for that one!!

  • June 25, 2002, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Ryalto

    by Halloween68

    I couldn&#39;t disagree with you more. The Arwen/Aragorn love story is in the Appendix of ROTK. Tolkien just didn&#39;t go into it as much as PJ is. Literature works differently than movies... I&#39;m sure you&#39;ve heard this all before. PJ&#39;s using Arwen/Aragorn&#39;s romance as a plot device to help with character development. And other than the one ford scene in the first movie, nothing strayed here from what the books suggest. Also, Eowyn is one of the most important characters in Return of the King. Her character needs to be developed in order for the audience to develop any sort of rapport with her. She is the daughter of the king of Rohan. She leads her people into the hills to escape the dangers of the Uruk Hai. She needs to be established. She needs to be a strong character. She needs to show her defiance. She also needs to develop a relationship with Aragorn. Are we just to assume these things. Sorry to tell you, movies don&#39;t work that way. And have you even read the books? (Yes, Ebert doesn&#39;t know what he&#39;s talking about either.) The books are about mankinds ascention to power and the passing of the elves. That&#39;s one of the core themes. Of course it&#39;s mostly humans... That&#39;s the way it&#39;s supposed to be. A new era is taking shape. Also, except for that one cartoonish overdramatized moment in Fellowship where she "passes the test," I happen to really like Blanchette as Galadriel. She adds an elegance to the role. And her voice is sooo soothing. How can you say her voice is not just perfect for the prologue of the first film? I guess to each his own. But, curious... Who would you have cast?

  • June 25, 2002, 5:45 p.m. CST

    andrecrabtree111

    by Vizzini

    Thanks for pointing that out, I just thought he must be the king cause his speech was so powerful :) I havent read past the first book yet.

  • June 25, 2002, 6 p.m. CST

    Miss Aura, realize what you&#39;re saying.

    by one9deuce

    Ben-Hur and Titanic are tied for the most Oscar wins in history with 11. Gangs Of New York won&#39;t win 12.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:06 p.m. CST

    count_glockula

    by TS Thomas

    Dear god, you are an idiot. Peter Jackson didn&#39;t name the films, they are named after the books they are based on, which were named several decades ago. Perhaps the authors families should sue new york for naming the WTC the two towers, it&#39;s only fair, after all, that book was out well before they were erected, what right do you have to claim that title? Idiot..

  • June 25, 2002, 6:09 p.m. CST

    One more time, Vizzini

    by andrecrabtree111

    Hey, you WERE right. He IS a king. . . and a really cool one, at that. Don&#39;t worry. It can be a little bit tough sorting out all the players. Keep reading. I&#39;m sure you&#39;ll be pleased and satisfied. And again, THEODEN ROCKS!!!

  • ...I chortle heartily at all of you doubters. Brings me instantly back to last year when the "word on the street" was that FOTR would end Peter Jackson&#39;s career, not make it to 100 million domestic, make the sequels go straight to video, shutter New Line Cinema forever, and result in a permanent ban on fantasy filmmaking becoming a reality. And you just keep coming back for more embarassment. Well, go ahead and do so. THE TWO TOWERS will cement LOTR as the best films of their genre, earning both critical praise and commercial success and general public adoration, with the epic ROTK still to come and knock everyone on their collective asses next year.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Bets are on

    by mykll42

    No one here knows me, but I&#39;ll take any bet that says Gangs of New York will win 12 oscars. Especially since it will only be a contender in one of the acting categories... unless the Academy starts taking Cam Diaz and Dicaprio seriously. Plus it&#39;s going to have to outdo Star Wars and TTT in all of those technical categories which they tend to own... a problem Titanic did not face. So... yeah, I&#39;d take that bet.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:42 p.m. CST

    For &#39;Gangs of New York&#39; to be the Oscar champ...

    by Billy Talent

    Okay, let&#39;s assume &#39;Gangs&#39; will sweep the Oscars. It could conceivably win best picture, director, actor, supporting actor, supporting actress, adapted screenplay, cinematography, editing, score, art design, costume design, and sound. I doubt that &#39;Gangs&#39; will include many elaborate special effects or a hit song, so it&#39;s disqualified there. That is (I believe) a record twelve Oscars it could potentially win. But do you really think it will take all of those? Neither do I. I wouldn&#39;t expect &#39;Two Towers&#39; to be a major awards contender this year either. &#39;Minority Report&#39; will sweep the tech categories and possibly be a contender in some of the major categories, while &#39;Towers&#39; will receive more mixed reviews and a somewhat smaller box office than &#39;Fellowship&#39;. Just my predictions, mind you. God knows I&#39;ve been wrong before.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by mykll42

    And Miss Aura is right. Box Office take doesn&#39;t mean anything. But then, neither do the Oscars. What matters is what I like... and I mean that in the nicest way possible. That what I like is more important to me than what academy voters like and what other ticketbuyers like and, no offense, the rest of the talkbackers like.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Anarchists sell me pot

    by Billy Talent

    If &#39;Gangs of New York&#39; does not win 12 academy awards, then Miss Aura owes me $30 CDN worth of BC Bud.

  • June 25, 2002, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Gangs of New York and the people against it

    by Miss Aura

    Just wait and see people, Bill the Butcher is on my side. Morgoth, I do and I know I shouldnt get swayed by some peoples opinions on here but I am human. It happens rarely, but as you said it shouldnt. My respect and best wishes go with you Morgoth over this bet, it sure will make the Oscars into a television hypefest for myself but then again it could be over by the time the nominations are announced. If it doesnt get 12 then the Beer is on its way, I would have no chance. Trust me people when I say, if there is one picture that the American public will take to heart..it will be Gangs of New York. I&#39;m not getting negative about TTT, the trailer for me didnt work but I know its a teaser. I like the first one and is up there with the best fantasy films of all time and hopefully Reign of Fire will be added to this list too. Anyway Morgoth, good luck - I will be true to my bet with you.

  • June 25, 2002, 7 p.m. CST

    Damn Nagual, you beat me to it

    by IAmLegolas

    I was going to write the same thing (see Nagual&#39;s post above). One more thing, keep these TBs coming, they are both informative and highly hilarious! TTT will own you all!! Whoops, sorry slipped into rabid fanboy TB mode there for a second, sorry. THOUGHT FOR TODAY : Hey do you think Lucas would of made Legolas say "Cowabunga, dude!" as he&#39;s surfing the shield? (Not knocking the scene, BTW, it rules in that HK action sorta way).

  • June 25, 2002, 7:04 p.m. CST

    And another thing....

    by Miss Aura

    Billy Talent, I believe in this film but my bet is with Morgoth. If I bet everyone and lost, I would be put in prison for importing most of the UK&#39;s supply of beer to the USA (At least you would know good beer for once - JOKE). Mykll42, totally agree with you. I am not saying that because it will win these oscars, every talkbacker will like it. Look at TITANIC, it will go down in 20 years time as possibly the most overrated film in History. If you like it, then thats all that matters. I liked Minority Report with a passion, Harry on the other hand didnt like it. We all like different things, simple.

  • June 25, 2002, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Racism/Trolls/Box Office/Oscars/Space Pervert

    by Mark Twain

    Not as hard to abbreviate as FOTR was for the screen mind you, but I LOTR talkbalks are my favorite and I so miss them. 1) I think the LOTR franchise is now officially bullet-proof against the nay-sayers and shriekers, provided the next two films deliver and I have no doubt they will. 2) Space Pervert, you bring a smile to this wizened visage of mine, your memory is long 3) My two cents on box office is that it will be greater, because of home viewings and the fact the story on Two Towers is more film friendly 4) I think the Oscar count goes down, sequels rarely score well with the Academy, even though there&#39;s no logic in this case, since they were all shot concurrently 5) This one&#39;s a toughie, although in an earlier talkback the Racist Eagles post (I forget whose)summed up a lot of my own feelings on the subject. However, PJ is not strictly adhering to the source material, even though he has done a great job of capturing the essence. So he could have made minority inclusion as part of his vision, as he has taken liberties in some other areas. I would argue that in this age, to include people of differing ethnicities would be keeping in line with Tolkien&#39;s vision, not run counter to it. I always read the Gimli/Legolas relationship as an allusion to racial problems, and the overcoming thereof. I don&#39;t think LOTR is racist in print or film, I do think exclusion sends an unfortunate message, and whether Barry White was trolling or not (was), I too would love to see a Lando-type in a future installment or armies of non-white origin arrayed against the forces of Mordor in the epic battle sequences. Sort of like the Return of the Jedi battle at the Death Star where all races in the galaxy were united against Evil. Whew.

  • June 25, 2002, 7:19 p.m. CST

    God, these new LOTR TBs are always like climbing into a cement m

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    Morgy, I think you may well have been thinking of Flowergirl - Aura&#39;s not a troll but a big-time Lucasite. Aura - don&#39;t waste precious American candy time on Twinkies. They suck. Believe me, I&#39;ve eaten them. Wherever you live in the world you can get a more appetising baked confection than a Twinkie.But Morgoth should send some Tootsie Rolls (chocolate chews) or better yet Tootsie Pops (lollipops with tootsie roll centre). And Ding Dongs are okay, but I go for the Reeses Peanut Butter cups myself. And root beer. "Oh, my America... my new found land" (of cool junk food). As to whether GONY will clean up at the Oscars, it&#39;s hard to say - it looks good to me, and I&#39;m definitely going to see it, but word is mixed depending on who you listen to. In other news, sarcasm is the cocaine of fin de siecle ennui, and I&#39;m pleased to see it in such abundance in this TB.

  • June 25, 2002, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Rheeses Butter Peanut Cups

    by Miss Aura

    Now I have tried them..mmmmm. Why do the US get all the good stuff and they just feed the swill to use Brits. And BTW its Marathon not Snickers, until my dying day people. :)

  • June 25, 2002, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Mitch Cumstein

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Actually Mitch, I thought TTT was the quickest read of the three books and the only time I felt burdened by Tolkien&#39;s prose was the first hundred or so pages of FOTR. I know that ROTK is the one people are most looking forward too, but The Two Towers is my favorite of the three. It was incredibly adventurous and scary.

  • June 25, 2002, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Galadriel&#39;s characterization was awful.

    by mindKMST

    One place PJ should have stayed faithful to the book was with Galadriel. Instead of making her the most wonderful beautiful being one could cast his eyes on, she was a dangerous monster. Just another thing lost in the great mess that was FOTR.

  • June 25, 2002, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Black guys are bad.

    by mindKMST

    Come on, this is Lord of the Rings. The only black men it are bad guys. That&#39;s the way the book is, like it or not.

  • June 25, 2002, 8:11 p.m. CST

    The Joy of Enormous Towers

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    I agree, Mr. Nut, TTT is the best book for my money - that said, it does include Shelob. I suppose it&#39;s back to the old mantra - trust PJ. And it is Marathon. It SO is. Don&#39;t give me any of that Snickers let&#39;s-synch-our-global-marketing shit. I&#39;m with the late great Bill Hicks... "Do you work in marketing? Then kill yourself."

  • June 25, 2002, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Exceptions for Elanor

    by Mark Twain

    Well stated Elanor, and nice posting name to boot. I let Moose&#39;s comments slide since he&#39;s obviously a fan, and I have a problem sometimes separating irony on the TB&#39;s, especially the extremely subtle variety, unless I&#39;m familiar with the TBer&#39;s style. Sequels that come to mind as passing original box office grosses, and I may be mistaken on one or two, are: Goldfinger, Phantom Menace, Superman II, Rush Hour 2, Terminator II, Sudden Impact, Austin Powers II, All Lethal Weapon sequels, Silence of the Lambs, Star trek IV, Aliens, the Road Warrior and The Trial of Billy Jack. Again, I may have erred on one or three, but I&#39;m shooting from the hip here and I believe most, if not all are correct. This does not take into account inflation adjustments, but most hold up even with that factored in. Even so, sequels do tend to have diminishing returns if the original had spectacular box office. These are indeed exceptions.

  • June 25, 2002, 9 p.m. CST

    saving the trailer

    by btk6y

    I can watch the trailer but can&#39;t download it to my computer. Any suggestions? Thanks

  • June 25, 2002, 9:02 p.m. CST

    MindKMST, please read Galadriel&#39;s part again

    by Mr Bonefish

    She is dangerous...why the hell do you think people shutter at the words "lady of the wood", etc. Read her lines...think about her personality. She was not one to skip through the lilies like a born again asshole.

  • June 25, 2002, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Errr... I don&#39;t think Ryalto is coming back.

    by nazismasher

    There are going to be a smattering of old school fans that won&#39;t be able to accept any adaptation. No big loss. 1 out of a 100. I&#39;m old school myself and I can&#39;t wait &#39;till December 18. I sympathize with them but only a troll would keep coming back to LotR film talkback while claiming to be a hard core fan of the books.

  • June 25, 2002, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Lord of the Gangs

    by Tokyo Joe

    In typical Oscar fashion, regardless of the quality of either picture, the Two Towers will get Best Picture because the Fellowship didn&#39;t. Scorsese will get Director because he hasn&#39;t got it yet. And Return of the King will get best director because Jackson didn&#39;t win for Fellowship or Towers. And if we post enough talkbacks like this one, the academy will try to prove that their judging isn&#39;t biased and award neither movie anything. Face it people, the Oscars mean nothing nowadays and Kill Bill will get the "most unfairly snubbed" award of 2003.

  • June 25, 2002, 10:30 p.m. CST

    My fondest hope for the rest of LOTR

    by jonabbey

    Is that PJ elaborates more on the sadness of the fall of the old ways, and of the elves passing away. FOTR carried that theme well with Cate Blanchett&#39;s performance, but seeing Elrond&#39;s &#39;woot, you&#39;re The Fellowship of The Ring now, boyos!&#39; with that grin really seemed inappropriate. That said, I have absolute faith in PJ. I just wish I knew where to find a time machine and scoot ahead a quick 6 months and see what there is to see. ;-)

  • June 26, 2002, 3:06 a.m. CST

    oh yay ( sarcasm )

    by p1nkerton

    another CGI army fighting another CGI army, didnt this not work in another movie too? But i bet all you hypocrites are all over the rehash this time around, heck youd probably hold his unit while he took a leak for him. Too bad he still cant direct action. This movie will be a dissapointment for me just like the last one, i got too many brain cells firing to each other. The CGI in these movies look about as good as they did in Spawn. Jackson is worried too, why else would he order reshoots after spider-man and star wars come out. It will be descent, prolly get all the males 13 to 30 lining up, but beyond that....its just another movie with dwarves, elves, and a whiney hobbit.

  • June 26, 2002, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Fuck, PUD, fuck him up his stoopid Ass!!!

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Just thought I&#39;d try a cool fanboy &#39;catchcry&#39;. Can you give us some more of your wonderful insight Pud? I&#39;m actually starting to find your rants amusing, because I&#39;m one of those guys who can&#39;t go within thirty feet of a girl without getting pepper sprayed... Sad, I know. Can you please tell me how to go about bridging that distance somewhat? I&#39;m sick of being gay, racist, homophobic (yes folks, that&#39;s what Pud has accused LOTR fans of, being gay and homophobic...) anti semitic, anti italian and anti whatever else comes into his delusional mind. I&#39;m sure you can Pud, afterall you would have amassed a vast amount of knowledge when it come to those of female persuasion in your entire 16 years... Come on MorGy how bout a job? Do I have to beg, &#39;oh Melkor the Magnificent...&#39;Cheers

  • June 26, 2002, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Ch..ch..changes

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    I&#39;ll start by saying I know barrywhite was joking, but it raises an interesting point. PJ "beefed-up" Arwens scenes to capture the female audience, yet he didn&#39;t insert any ethnicities? Where do you draw the line? When someone is making a movie of one of the greatest novels of all time, how much leeway are they entitled too? This is not "based on" LOTR. This is "JRRTs LOTR". But it is not if you alter the source material. I know some stupid sap will throw the old Tom Bombadil argument at me now, but fine - I would rather see Tom Bombadil if it meant more accuracy to the novel. While I enjoyed FOTR, they made considerable changes, esp. to Aragorn. And I refuse to accept that they did this to make the book "more filmable" or "more accessable" - if it were that unfilmable in it&#39;s original form, why bother trying? Also, considering how many millions of women have read the book, without the "Super-Arwen", why make the changes? Some of us love the books enough that we are not blithely happy to dribble and drool just because a version, no matter how much money or how incredible the production values are, has made it to the big screen.

  • June 26, 2002, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Mr Bonefish: Galadriel is dangerous.

    by mindKMST

    I never said that Galadriel was not dangerous. I just felt that her beauty was not conveyed at all or even mentioned in the film. Cate Blanchett was probably not the best choice to play her. You must also remember that the views of outsiders were different than the few who had encountered her. Gandalf is also very dangerous but PJ managed to show his warmth and compassion. Just more evidence that to many scenes were squeezed into FOTR.

  • June 26, 2002, 6:40 a.m. CST

    p1nkerton

    by AliceInWonderlnd

    So, "this movie will be a big dissappointment to me" just like the other one. Right. So I take it you&#39;ll be going to see it then. Fab. See you there, then!

  • June 26, 2002, 6:45 a.m. CST

    BROTHERS & WANNABE BROTHERS AND CRACKERS AND WANNABE CRACKERS

    by barrywhite

    MANY OF YOU HAVE WONDERED IF MY EARLY COMMENTS WERE MEANT AS A JOKE. HELL NO! THE MAN WOULD LIKE U TO BELIEVE THAT IN FEAR OF THE REVOLUTION THAT IS STILL YET TO COME. IN RELATION TO EARLIER COMMENTS &#39;BOUT MIDDLE EARTH BEGIN BASED IN SOME NORTHERN EUROPEAN TYPE SETTING AND THAT&#39;S WHY THEY AIN&#39;T NO CHITLIN EATING MOTHER F*UCKERS IN THIS MOVIE, WHAT IMAGINARY AFRICA WOULD BE TOO FAR? I&#39;VE GOT ONE THING TO SAY... SHITT!! ... WHAT BROTHERS CAN&#39;T SAIL...? SHITT!! THE MAN HAS HIS CLAWS IN DEEP IN THIS ASS. STAND UP BROTHERS AND WANNABE BROTHERS.. STAND UP!!

  • June 26, 2002, 8:08 a.m. CST

    All right I&#39;ll rise...

    by Conan_the_Humble

    BARRY, THIS MIGHT SEEM A TAD OBVIOUS, AND I DON&#39;T FOR ONE MINUTE SUGGEST THAT &#39;BROTHERS&#39; CAN&#39;T SAIL, (ALTHOUGH THEY DON&#39;T GENERALLY SEEM TO WANT TOO...) BUT I DON&#39;T RECALL ANY SAILING IN THE LORD OF THE RINGS! I DO RECALL A BIT OF CANOE PADDLING AND A BIT OF A FERRY TRIP, BUT DEFINITELY NO SAILING, HENCE THERE IS VERY LITTLE CHANCE, THAT &#39;BROTHERS,&#39; &#39;GEOGRAPHICALLY SPEAKING,&#39; WOULD APPEAR IN THIS STORY VERY MUCH. A NICE TOUCH COULD BE TO GET YOUR NAMESAKE TO DEVISE SOME OF THE SOUND TRACK THOUGH, A BIT OF (EXTREMELY DEEP VOICED) "OH YEAH" FOR THE ARWEN/ARAGORN SCENES MIGHT JUST ADD THAT LITTLE BIT EXTRA THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY MISSING AT OSCAR TIME LAST YEAR? Cheers.

  • June 26, 2002, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Damn, TB...

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Sorry guys, I just hosed the TB...

  • June 26, 2002, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Mr White....If that is your real name????Hmmmmm...

    by Mad Dog

    To quote Chris Rock. "The worlds fucked, the greatest rapper is a white guy and the greatest golfer is black". I&#39;m sure theres hope for Sauron to turn out to be the blackest brother since Vader!

  • June 26, 2002, 9:15 a.m. CST

    WOW

    by brena

    This trailer is amazing...makes me wish that we were going to get to see Two Towers tomorrow! At least we&#39;ll have the Fellowship DVDs in August and November to keep us occupied until December. And seeing this, I really cannot wait to see what Two Towers footage the included on the August DVD. *drooling*

  • June 26, 2002, 9:44 a.m. CST

    morGoth, Barrywhite, Ms. Aura and the wonders of candy

    by PriestYoungblood

    I couldn&#39;t how much of your post was directed at me or not. But I&#39;ll say this, I&#39;m 1/2 black myself, and to be honest, I DON&#39;T CARE whether or not they use blacks or whites in the movie. If everyone were white, well, that *is* the way the book was written. If not, well, it just makes for an interesting visual idea, kind of like Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin in Daredevil. Shit, I shouldn&#39;t have opened THAT can of worms. Anyway, either way, to me, it&#39;s irrelevant. And as for that fuckwit Barry White, if he&#39;s even a 100th black I&#39;ll eat my fucking shoes. Because honestly, the most racist thing I&#39;ve seen here so far is the insulting idea that black people are so fucking uneducated that they WRITE in ebonics, which he seems to enjoy doing. The guys a fucking troll, and an obnoxious whiteboy troll at that. Anyway, like I said, bad guys or good, it would be interesting, IMHO, to put people of color in the movies. But if they didn&#39;t, I don&#39;t mind that either. I&#39;m not so PC that I insist EVERY movie needs to be ethnically updated. It might put an interesting spin on it, but it&#39;s by no means a necessity. And finally, Ms. Aura - Reeses Peanut Butter Cups are the greatest candy in the history of chocolate, if by some bizarre way you win your bet, stock up baby.

  • June 26, 2002, 9:57 a.m. CST

    northern europe.....??!!! i aint never seen that on a postcard..

    by audio vandal

    where the hell does it say that this is set in northern europe !!!???..is someone saying that ? damn right b...if this is set there , where is africa..where the fuck is south america...hell, we could even get some australians in there for good measure..some kick ass sauron-beatin kangaroos...as for lando..didnt that brother freeze his mate in carbonite and try to steal his woman ? yeah, so he joined the good guys, but only so he could fly that badass falcon and get the glory....and damn right to that..youd have done the same...i wouldnt care if i was the 1000th orc in line to get an arrow in the face if i could get a shot at liv tyler&#39;s sweet ass...

  • June 26, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST

    my Earlier Post

    by Conan_the_Humble

    In saying," I don&#39;t recall any sailing." Yo must excuse me, I actually meant, &#39;intercontinental sailing,&#39; (does that cover up work? yes, uh hum, uh hum, uh haaaah, <just imagine Krusty the Clown saying that last bit...> Elessar sails of course, DOH...

  • June 26, 2002, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Given that I&#39;m a Barbarian

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Damn Right Audio Vandal, to the victor go the spoils...

  • June 26, 2002, 10:34 a.m. CST

    THE MAN TIGHTING HIS GRIP

    by barrywhite

    PRIEST YOUNG BLOOD (HALF BREED SELL OUT TO THE CAUSE) HAS BEEN INFECTED BY THE MAN. ANY MAN WHO CLAIMS TO BE HALF A BLACK IS A SELL OUT! ANYWAY THE FACT IS IF U ARE BLACK YOUR BLACK! NO HALF BLACK ABOUT IT! THERE MAYBE HOPE! BUT PRIEST NEEDS TO BE RE-EDUCATED THE HARD WAY. BET HIS KENNY G PLAYING ASS HAS NEVER TASTED CHITLINS. SHITT MY BROTHERS AND WANNABE BROTHERS STAND UP! STAND UP...

  • June 26, 2002, 10:35 a.m. CST

    barrywhite

    by hildebrand

    Why do I have the sinking suspicion that our erstwhile neo-Black Panther is probably a rather pasty colored 15 year old trying out the capslock key on his new Dell? It works. Really well. Perhaps you can find a few new keys to play with. Perhaps you can also try to fill out your rants with greater creativity and wit, and not simple minded profanity. Go back, take in some of the blaxploitation films you have obviously been watching over the weekend, and try to come up with some better comments.

  • June 26, 2002, 11:07 a.m. CST

    HELL TO PAY IN RETURN OF THE KING!

    by barrywhite

    PETER JACKSON HAS STILL GOT TIME TO REDEEM HIMSELF IN THE THIRD INSTALLMENT. AND IF I DON&#39;T SEE THIS I MAY HAVE TO BRING FOURTH THE REVOLUTION ....DRAGONS...YES MY BROTHERS AND WANNABE BROTHERS, DRAGONS.....BROTHER DRAGON WITH SPORTING AERODYNAMIC HIGH TOPS WITH A TIGHT SILKY SMOOTH FADE. SMOKING HOBBIT HOES FOR DA FUN OF IT. SWEET...STAND UP MY BROTHER AND WANNABE BROTHERS...STAND UP

  • June 26, 2002, 11:09 a.m. CST

    HELL TO PAY IN RETURN OF THE KING!

    by barrywhite

    PETER JACKSON HAS STILL GOT TIME TO REDEEM HIMSELF IN THE THIRD INSTALLMENT. AND IF I DON&#39;T SEE THIS I MAY HAVE TO BRING FOURTH THE REVOLUTION ....DRAGONS...YES MY BROTHERS AND WANNABE BROTHERS, DRAGONS.....BROTHER DRAGON WITH SPORTING AERODYNAMIC HIGH TOPS WITH A TIGHT SILKY SMOOTH FADE. SMOKING HOBBIT HOES FOR DA FUN OF IT. SWEET...STAND UP MY BROTHER AND WANNABE BROTHERS...STAND UP

  • June 26, 2002, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Hey Barry. . .

    by andrecrabtree111

    . . .they ain&#39;t no brothas cuz Tolkien wrote "Bil-BO" NOT "Bil-BRO"!!!

  • June 26, 2002, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Gandalf

    by EvilBunnyFrank

    If you ever looked up the movies on IMDB, you would see that Gandalf is in them. I&#39;ve never read the books, but it certainly didn&#39;t surprise me that he&#39;s back...

  • June 26, 2002, 12:29 p.m. CST

    So sorry..

    by LeeScoresby

    ...that there isn&#39;t MORE footage for you. Jeez. The thing is still about six months from release. Most of us haven&#39;t seen ANY footage yet.

  • June 26, 2002, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Re: Vitaly Chernobyl, "Super" Arwen & P.J.&#39;s LOTR

    by IAmLegolas

    Peter Jackson beefed up Arwen&#39;s part in the name of character development, not to obtain more of a female audience. He felt the audience isn&#39;t going to care about her or the romance with Aragorn if she just pops up for 5 secs in Rivendell and then at the very end in ROTK. Also in replacing Glorfindel part it&#39;s one less character to develop, which would be a waste of time with him since that&#39;s the only part he has and we have time constraints to conten with don&#39;t we? By the way, this MOVIE is Peter Jackson&#39;s The Lord Of The Rings, not J.R.R.Tolkien&#39;s. He wrote THE BOOK. P.J. is adapting it the best way he feels and so far I agree with him. We aren&#39;t going to get a 24 hours version of these books and this is as good as it&#39;s going to get, unless the BBC does it, but the production design wouldn&#39;t be as good and Middle Earth needs to be created entirely, you can&#39;t just film it in your backyard. I&#39;m curious, did you object to the insertion of the Lurtz character to give the audience a villian to slay at the end of the movie i.e a movie convention... a sense of closure? How about leaving Narsil broken until later to build a more exciting climax for when Aragorn fully embraces his heritage? MOVIE ... BOOK... 2 different formats. Oh and as big a fan I am as the books, I&#39;m glad Tom Bombadil is out. He would of been a Jar Jar-like annoyance probably, skipping around and stuff. ;^)

  • June 26, 2002, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Pud and P1nkerton

    by Halloween68

    Pud... Bryan Ferry? I think you&#39;re letting your whiteness show through. Heh, heh. *** P1nkerton. Hey, man, I hate to burst your bubble there, but cgi has nothing to do with reshoots. That&#39;s all post-production work. Jackson&#39;s doing pick-up shots is all. Pretty every major production does the same thing during editing. He&#39;s got 5 months time, so why not polish? Don&#39;t knock the man for wanting perfection.

  • June 26, 2002, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Miss Aura and Conan the Humble

    by Halloween68

    Miss Aura. No offense, but that was a ridiculously silly bet. I&#39;m not saying that because of how I feel the film will turn out (although I have my doubts with Leonardo and Diaz doing Irish accents in a major dramatic role), but I&#39;m saying this because it pretty much is technically impossible. Like so many others have said... It&#39;d have to win 12 Oscars. The most it could really win is the big four, editing, cinematography, sound editing, score, costume, and art direction, and maybe perhaps a supporting actor award for Lewis. That&#39;s it, and that&#39;s only 11. And what are the chances it&#39;ll even sweep all of those. Even Fellowship didn&#39;t win all the technical awards... Not even close. There&#39;s just too much competension this year for it even to come close. Minority Report, Spider-Man, Attack of the Clones, and The Two Towers will suredly take most of the technicals. Beyond art direction, Gangs won&#39;t have a chance. Not to rally against you, but you made a pretty one-sided bet there. And I agree with the other guy that said box office returns "and" awards won don&#39;t mean a hill of beans when it comes down to it anyway... What a waste of beer, Miss Aura. Well, I&#39;m sure MorGoth will enjoy. *** Conan the Humble. Not trying to be a wise-ass here or anything. But I just wanted to point out that there actually is sails and sailing in Lord of the Rings. It happens in ROTK. Aragorn goes through the paths of the dead and sails around the penninsula to come at Minas Tirith from the sea. &#39;Should make for a splendid moment in cinema. Again, not meaning to be picky. Just thought you&#39;d like to know. I don&#39;t think this is a spoiler. Sorry if it is or if people think it is. It doesn&#39;t affect any surprise outcomes in any way. It&#39;s just part of the book or story.

  • June 26, 2002, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Vitaly Chernobyl

    by Halloween68

    While I empathize with you, I also sympathize for you. (Does that make sense? - oh well; you catch my drift.) I missed the scenes that were removed as well as the scenes that were altered. But I accepted them as I saw them because Peter made these changes for the benefit of the cinema. He made the best movie he knew how to make. I don&#39;t fault him for that. And, I guess, I am complete opposite when I say I&#39;d rather see the best made "adaptation" than nothing at all. I think PJ has taken a very difficult story and an almost impossible situation and produced something very remarkable and down right admirable. I hope that you can eventually come to this realization yourself. Until we can get the reincarnation of Tolkien himself to come down and make the perfect book to film transfer (notice I say transfer instead of adaptation - how clever am i? :) ), I think that this is a fine thing to be a part of. Since you have heard it all before, I won&#39;t go into it... But let&#39;s just suffice to say that without all the pieces of the puzzle perfectly in sync with one another, it&#39;d be impossible to ever come close to a perfect book to film match, word by word / scene by scene. No one will ever do that. The mediums are too far removed. I am, again, very grateful that Mr. Jackson has given us a very respectable interpretation of our classic literary favorite. I stand by him in that he did nothing to take away from the story and overall impact of the characters involved. Again, I hope you&#39;ll feel the same way someday. If not, to each his (or her) own, I suppose. No one will ever please everybody all of the time. Cheers.

  • June 26, 2002, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Why do they insist on SPOILING the return of Gandalf

    by DufusyteII

    The fact that Gandalf returns in TTT is a plot twist, a surprise, and the teasers insist on *spoiling* the surprise. What&#39;s up with that? I&#39;d say about 50% of the audience has not read the books, nay, probably 90% have not read the books, and would be surprised by the reappearance of Gandalf if New Line did not insist on plastering spoilers in front of everyone for the next six months. ******* I recommend that they eliminate him from the trailers except for unidentifiable distance shots, like the white rider on the white horse that you cannot immediately identify as Gandalf. On the Poster, if they want to have pics of the cast, they should have an ambiguous shadowed pic of Gandalf off to the side, quasi-unidentifiable, that does not call attention to itself. ******* As far as marketing, instead of emphasizing Gandalf, I would emphasize the character of Aragorn, since the audience is already familiar with him, and at the end of Fellowship it appears that he becomes the leader to carry the story forward. So let the marketing for TTT emphasize the character of Aragorn, perhaps also highlighting the budding love triangle between him and Arwen and Eowyn. Yes, you could even do a sappy AOTC-style romantic trailer. Everytime I see a female in lotr, she is wielding a sword. How about showing the romantic side of the female characters in order to bring in that female demographic? Also, by emphasizing the romantic angle (at least in the trailer), it would give the audience hope that Film Two will not merely be a three hour prolongation of the monotonous tension of Film One.

  • June 26, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Whoops, Conan...

    by Halloween68

    Sorry about that. I missed your realization on the whole sail thing. This talk back has gone seriously funky as far as order is conserned.

  • June 26, 2002, 2:18 p.m. CST

    A bets a bet Halloween68

    by Miss Aura

    I know Gangs has to do a lot, but I think it will scoop easily everything its up for. Daniel Day Lewis will take BEST ACTOR not supporting, that I know. Morgoth gets his beer if he wins and I get my Candy if I win, until the day of nominations we wont know if I will still be in with any chance. A bet is a bet and I stick by it, now we wait.

  • June 26, 2002, 3:43 p.m. CST

    december 18th!!!! that`s stevens birthday!!!!!

    by drjones

    the teaser is great i think!!!

  • June 26, 2002, 3:49 p.m. CST

    So now, just a day later, the TB&#39;s asinine AND hosed.

    by Pallando Blue

    Feh! I&#39;ll check again Friday!

  • June 26, 2002, 4:08 p.m. CST

    "Trailers go too far now a days. Example AOTC Trailers." BINGO

    by minderbinder

    And just because I want to get the most out of TTT, I don&#39;t plan on watching any trailers before I see the movie. Spoiler free!

  • June 26, 2002, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I like LOTR...

    by BG

    ...and in related news, Conan, can you please send me an email to brett.thomas@simpl.co.nz

  • June 26, 2002, 5:32 p.m. CST

    racism in LOTR(there is none)

    by Astaldo

    the TV show Family Matters contained no white characters. was it anti-european? Was Crouching Tiger, hidden Dragon touting the superiority of the Asian race? Most or all of the villians in Roots were white, yet I feel perfectly comfortable watching it as a person of European ancestry. Lord of the Rings is derived from European Folklore. Would you expect a movie about Ananzi or some other character of african folklore to have white characters? absolutely not. it would be ridiculous. the only white actors in such a film would be in masks and would be playing non-human creatures. The same with Lord of the Rings. the only non-white actors in the movies are those who play orcs and the Dark Lord Sauron, because in order to give the film the appropriate historical flavor, the actors need to look European. Where any semblance of Anti-semitism or anti-italianism would come in is beyond me. Geographically, the birthplace of the Elves, the heart of Tolkien&#39;s mythology, would be located somewhere in Italy. And Tolkien was a christian and there are elements of allegory in his writings. Any intelligent person cannot be a Christian AND antisemitic-the idea is absurd as virtually all the great figures of the Bible were Jewish in culture and lineage. the only purported christian antisemitists are inbred, antisocial klansmen who need something to hate to justify their pathetic existences-Just like anyone who extrapolates idiotic ideas of racism in Lord of the Rings.

  • June 26, 2002, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I agree with much of what Ryalto says, yet enjoyed the movie imm

    by Mark Twain

    Strange, I consider so many of the points valid, yet I feel very favorable toward the film. The one thing above all I do wish had been different was the portrayal of Aragorn. I agree whole-heartedly that the film was not faithful to the self doubt plaguing Aragorn in the beginning of the story. In the novel Aragorn second guesses every decision after Gandalf&#39;s death and the inner turmoil was what made him such a compelling character. Seeing Frodo leave undercut that part of the character. Still, that being said, I&#39;m willing to wait it out until Two Towers. PJ has been remarkable in making changes to the story, yet still maintaining the thematic integrity. A good example is the temptation of Boromir, not a strict adherence to the book, but as adapted for the medium it was faithful to the spirit. So I&#39;m willing to allow that a subsequent film may flesh out Aragorn more. As has been pointed out, a lot was crammed into the first film. And on the new footage, I suspect there are a number of reasons, but I think the fact that FOTR had to be edited to be theater ready by release date had a lot to do with it. Regardless of PJ&#39;s original intent, the film we all saw was what was released. It&#39;s possible new scenes need to be shot to compensate for those edited out of FOTR, to ensure story continuity. Just a thought, and if true, a very responsible move.

  • June 26, 2002, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Dear Moose420, in answer to your question: (WARNING: POSSIBLE SP

    by Almost Sexy

    You asked what else will happen in the Two Towers. Well remember that the Ents storming Isengard will be shown and not flash-backed to, and I&#39;m sure we&#39;ll get some amusing hobbit-Ent dialogue before that, and I recall Jackson saying that Faramir&#39;s role had been extended somewhat. So they have plenty of material to work with. I&#39;m more concerned with your information that the Helm&#39;s Deep battle will be 45 minutes long. That seems mighty excessive to me. One of the things that surprised me about FOTR is how short the engagements are. The scene in the Chamber of Mazarbul (sic?) really isn&#39;t that long, nor is the fight with the Uruk-Hai at the end. Very well done though. But forty five minutes of seige just seems like overkill. And it will sort of make the seige of Minas Tirith in ROTK anticlimactic. But we&#39;ll see in December. As for Morgoth: Flowergirl?? I didn&#39;t realize that notable personage still posted here. Are you digging around in old articles or do you just have a really good memory. I&#39;m pretty sure that "she" was actually sparticusmaximus anyway.

  • June 27, 2002, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Playpens for dead-ends...

    by Dru

    How is it that a TB can fly so bloody far from the origin? What&#39;s with all the Gangs of NY shyte? All the B + W issues (we get enough of that in Daredevil TBs, as Priest said.) Comment on the bloody trailer + be done with it. The 9/11 issue is intriguing though. For what it&#39;s worth, the original post was sarcastic BS. NOBODY has the right to bitch about reminders since that wretched scene in Spiderman... Not that I&#39;m getting off topic or anything... Out.

  • June 27, 2002, 3:15 a.m. CST

    BG

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Bg, the books on it&#39;s way, I also replied to your email, (finally). Halloween68: I was drunk last night and had a shocker when I put that post on, fancy not recalling Aragorn sailed, anyone would think I knew nothing about LOTR...Cheers

  • June 27, 2002, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Halloween68 and Dearest Elanor

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    First off, I am amazed and thankful for an intelligent argument with yourselves - something I was loathe to believe possible amidst the dross of negativity here. Elanor, I do dispute being "whiney", unless you admit you&#39;re doing the same, but from the other side? I do have a few retorts, if I may. Firstly, PJ himself admitted in an interview that Arwens role was increased because of a lack of female characters in the movie. I cannot accept what they did with the character - an Elf getting cut by a tree-branch???? Arwen being all breathy and husky? I didn&#39;t make any emotional connections with Arwen and thought there was no chemistry between Tyler and Viggo. Secondly, as pedantic as it may sound, it is not PJ&#39;s money he is risking and while people here might appreciate his reputation (myself included) most Americans in Buttfuck MA didn&#39;t know who he was in 2000 and probably still don&#39;t. And anyone in the industry would have appreciated what he tried. And Elanor, do you release how silly you sound when you say he isn&#39;t filming a book?? He can adapt it any way he wants, but he is making a film of the LOTR book. I appreciate adaptions have to be made - there has been no successful adaption of a characters thoughts on the page to the big screen. But some of his "adaptions" have altered the basic story and character development of the book. Justify to me when Aragorn didn&#39;t take Narsil. And why did we need Lurtz? You also seem to think you speak for "the movie-going public" and you say "the world has siad thank-you to PJ". Apart from the hubris, the dosh from FOTR isn&#39;t really enough to make such assertions. You say PJ got it right "better than I dared hope". I&#39;m glad he met your lowly expectations. You say he couldn&#39;t have made the film better - I say he could have, if he hadn&#39;t made his "adaptions". And don&#39;t hide behind the childish "Do it yourself then" - that&#39;s the refuge of someone who can&#39;t make their own point. Am I happy the film was made - yes, great for the industry and the books. But if you take away the changes PJ made, it would have been better. Does the movie enhance the books - Gods no. And if you&#39;re going to accuse me of ego-gratification, what do you call what you&#39;re doing? Unless you&#39;re really so silly as to think you are changing anyone&#39;s opinion by posting here.

  • June 27, 2002, 10:13 a.m. CST

    &#39;scuse me while I dig myself a foxhole

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    guess I just don&#39;t understand the female demographic, since I thought taking Arwen out of the kitchen was merely a reasonable attempt to harmonise the romantic subplot with modern audience expectations (ie even Tolkien wouldn&#39;t leave her at home with her embroidery if he wrote it today), and not a cynical attempt to bring in Hugh Grant&#39;s target audience (that would be the casting of rough-hewn heart throb Sean Bean). Also, I clearly remember PJ stating that this was not intended to be a definitive version, but an interpretation.

  • June 27, 2002, 11:50 a.m. CST

    V. Chernobyl: In defense of Halloween68 and elanor

    by Vanyar

    *** V. Chernobyl: Just read your post to Halloween68 and elanor. I

  • June 27, 2002, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Added scene: Swordfight between Arwen and Eowyn over Aragorn!

    by DufusyteII

    In order to appeal to modern audiences, script writers for the Lord of the Rings have added new material where Arwen and Eowyn square off at swordpoint over the contentious issue of Aragorn. "If we let the women resolve the love triangle without swords, they would just be ciphers," said one inside source working on the new scene. "Our weapons trainer is creating a unique fighting style for elven women. It creates a striking contrast seeing the two women battle it out in choreographed bloodlust, and that&#39;s what we really want to emphasize in these characters." When asked if she thought there would be any resistance from Tolkien purists, the unidentified scriptwriter replied, "Tolkien is old fashioned. We&#39;re fixing that." Other scenes depicting an assault on Lothlorien are also in discussion. "We are looking for a way to beef up the role of Galadriel, and give her a spear or something."

  • June 28, 2002, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Vanyar and Elanor

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    Vanyar - truly, I am happy you enjoyed the scenes between Aragorn and Arwen. Emotions are never a bad thing, so getting misty is a natural reaction (hell, I won&#39;t tell you about me and Field of Dreams). For me, and thanks for respecting my opinion, the casting of Liv Tyler didn&#39;t work. But what is done is done. I&#39;m still looking forwrad to TTT too, but obviously with more trepidation than other posters here. I just wish that the unforced changes (i.e. those without script justification) were not there. ****Accepted, I made sweeping statements, but I do doubt that any movie has ever successfully transposed the thoughts a character in a novel has to the screen successfully, without 5 minute monologues. Lynchs Dune came close, but the thoughts were just too convoluted. ****Elanor, I appreciate you appealing to the masses to try and get the popular vote, but the day my ego is so crippled that I care what other posters here think is the day I insert a vacuum cleaner up my arse. Shame you stooped to this, I was really enjoying the argument.

  • June 28, 2002, 7:09 a.m. CST

    General comments

    by Runelord

    Geez, I

  • June 28, 2002, 2:23 p.m. CST

    elanor, V. Chernobyl, Dufy and bjarki56

    by Vanyar

    *** elanor: Hope I didn

  • June 28, 2002, 2:26 p.m. CST

    To: elanor, V. Chernobyl, and bjarki56

    by Vanyar

    *** elanor: Hope I didn

  • June 28, 2002, 2:27 p.m. CST

    To: elanor, V. Chernobyl, and bjarki56

    by Vanyar

    *** elanor: Hope I didn

  • June 28, 2002, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Vanyar: Huorns!

    by Pallando Blue

    Just jumping in real brief-like, but wanted to let ya know, Vanyar, pretty darn sure the Huorns are IN! It was a spy report a long, long time ago, and don&#39;t know at all where you could dig it up again. Though odds are it t&#39;s buried back at TORN, and might even have been one of >sigh< Ninja Galadriel&#39;s... Sorry. Must focus. So, the spy never reported having heard the word "Huorns," but described a shoot they were doing for the HD battle. The Orc/Uruk extras were being directed at one point to start getting agitated because of a Forest that hadn&#39;t been there the day before--a.k.a. a gigantic, 10-15 ft tall, 100+ ft long sheet of blue screen. And, later that shooting day, directed to start panicking because of apparent attacks from all sides, and to flee into the "forest" (how that was done, running "into" a sheet of blue fabric, the spy didn&#39;t elaborate). A long time ago, but I&#39;m pretty sure that&#39;s been witnessed and leaked, and if anyone knows where to dig that up I&#39;d like to read how the spy described it again. I remember it seeming that much more genuine by the Spy not seeming too familiar with what she was seeing or Tolkien, but just describing the shoot... Also, no way to know if they were Huorns, or PJ making them Ents for the sake of not having to explain what Huorns are, or what. (not to foment any rumors) But at the time it certainly sounded like HD climaxes like it does in the book, as far as the baddies being chased from 3 sides into a mysteriously appearing wood! Hope it&#39;s still true! 8-D Namarie

  • *** PB: Here in its entirety is the Ninja Galadriel spy report from Christmas of 2000. Weird seeing these old spy reports. Enjoy!: ***: December 25, 2000 Oh annoying one :P This is Galadriel of the Koga Ninja clan. I am writing regarding these films you keep making me talk to you about. Here is my story this time. I was running around the forest practicing my dragon stance and approach techniques when I felt a grumble in my stomach. I had a feeling for sushi. I wondered why this was possible because I had eaten an hour previously. I could almost smell the wasabi... in fact I could smell wasabi; using my heightened sense of smell I went in search. Once again I came across the &#39;The Lord of the Rings&#39; set of Helms Deep. Today they were filming scenes of Rohan horsmen chasing Uruks with body doubles of Gandalf, Legolas , Theoden, Eomer and Aragorn on horses also. I noticed that there was a blue screen up that day, 5 meters in height and 15 meters across to be exact. At this point I was suspicious so I went in for a closer look. Thankfully the Riders of Rohan came close to where I was so I grabbed one and dressed in his costume. Complete with helmet with blonde hair glued onto the back, I rode closer to the director&#39;s tent to take a look. I jumped off the horse and looked at the LCD screen showing test shots of the previous take. And this they would never know: that their security is no match for a Koga Ninja. I had noticed that there were a lot of PNS, or Provisional Stunts (Fighter), but still that did not explain the extremely large blue screen. Hunting around for more information I watched as Uruk Hai extras lined up in formation: pikesmen, swordsmen, and crossbowmen, all who have distinctly different armor. I waited a while longer until one of the assistant directors started yelling things at the Uruk Hai. What he said would interest you. &#39;Ok all, Gandalf has arrived! You are very scared; we need you to run towards the blue screen, because you have just noticed a forest appear behind you in the last five minutes so you are running for shelter!&#39; He shouted across the quarry. What I was more interested in at this time was the ear pieces most of the assistant directors and heads of each division had. But then I thought, "These are Ents coming at the end of the Battle." The Ents had arrived!! Obviously they will be in the movie, so all can rest their Tolkien hearts. I left my horse which I called &#39;POOKY&#39; and made my way for the female toilets. Grabbing a lady who appeared to me as an a.d. I tied her with toilet paper and took her ear piece. Over it I heard a lot. *Due to weather conditions the new Helms Deep sets will be filmed in studio along with the retreat to the Glittering Caves. *Minas Tirith will be erected in the same quarry and will be in production around spring. *From Wednesday-Friday this week, Elves will be used in studio for the Helms Deep studio sets. *Torrential rain has slowed down the production at Haywards Hill and they are missing vital shots which they can only do at the outdoor sets. *Ents are completely CGI with the help of WETA visuals, apparently they look more tree-like than human-being-like but somewhat transform from tree into walking being. *Other scenes included huge battles between Uruk Hai and Rohan warriors in front of the 3 scale miniature of Helms Deep castle; using lighting and camera trickery it looks like the battle field is dense with fighters and the castle will look like it is in the distant background. This concluded my day at the Helms Deep set. I headed back to the Dunharrow set because I had dropped one of my favorite Vials of Poison and it was the last I had so I needed it desperately. Dunharrow consisted of many tents with Rohan and Dunedain warriors, Viggo Mortensen was doing a small scene where he walked from one tent to another with many background Rohirrim behind him. This was interesting because not only have I seen him speak Elvish on screen at Helms Deep, but I also admired his acting skills. I managed to slip off the set using my Ninja skills of invisibility and deception. Moments later I was back in the forest practicing my dragon stance again. What happened next is between me and my gods... and maybe you. Until next time, Keep an eye open, Galadriel