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Hey folks, Harry here... This trailer just doesn't do anything for me. I've looked at it a couple of times online, and once in theaters prior to MINORITY REPORT, and in all cases... I've been underwhelmed. Perhaps it is because the action is so abbreviated, so tight and short that there is really nothing to go... "Coooooooool" over other than the mere concept that I'm looking at a trailer for DAREDEVIL, which is... in and of itself a cool thing, even if the trailer doesn't get me. It just sort of feels slapped together. I don't know, I'm off to download the SOLARIS trailer now... Hehehe, Soderberg and James Cameron... droooool...
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sho looks like it
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Daredevil is by far my favorite comic. I loved the spiderman movie even withe GG's costume change, but this is scaring me. I'll wait to judge till I see it, but none of the characters look the part. Heres hoping to a great movie (praying).
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That was one dope ass teaser!!! Bring on T3 and X-Men...!!!
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Like Harry, just the fact that I'm sitting here watching the teaser for a Daredevil film literally makes me jump around the apartment with glee. I'll admit, however, that this teaser ain't too special...a lot of quick shots, a lot of fighting...a little bit of brooding at the beginning. Much of the clip has a "Crow" feel to it, which is fine by me. Some of the fighting looks hard-ass, some of it looks silly. How it plays in the film depends on the context and what sort of world the story inhabits (popcorn/overtop camp of Spider-Man or straight drama/action).
Daredevil isn't being released until February of 2003, so I'm not too disappointed in the lack of footage, dialogue, plot points, etc. But it's more than they gave us last summer when the Spider-Man teaser came out. There's not much to go on here, but I like what I see so far.
And for the last time, Harry, it's Soderbergh, you keep forgetting that "h." If you're really a fan and want to spread news about him, learn to spell his name right. -
Aside from Bullseye looking like a very pissed off Andre Agassi, I was pretty happy with it. I know where I'll be on Valentine's '03... as long as I can talk my girlfriend into it. -- SPYder, out.
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Pissed off Andre Agassi, LOL, totally, that shit is funny, LOL!!
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Looks generic. There's too much Affleck goin' around these days. Coolio is never a good omen either. I would just rather re-read "Man Without Fear" than see this.
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Jun 21, 2002 11:25:57 PM CDT
Wow, did I actually see Elektra in her red outfit in the latter
by dave_f
It's in the scene where she and Murdock are on the roof in the rain. Lord knows she should wear *only* the red costume and not that silly leather thing, but all told, that was one snazzy trailer. Nice, comic-booky feel to it and the action looked great. The way Daredevil moves is the way Batman shoulda been moving in all his movies, not like some stiff with a broken neck. Credit must always be given to Tim Burton for making serious superhero flicks viable again, but he really missed the boat in choosing atmosphere *so* heavily over action. Looks like Marvel might be about to scoop DC in filmland once again. The one thing that scared me about the trailer: Coolio.
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Worst costume EVER.
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I cant wait for the final trailer. This shit looks great, even the whole motorcycle jacket with popped collar look works. DD riding that guy like a skateboard down the bannister was fucking cool. Only thing, I really wish they kept Bullseyes comic uniform, so that he looks like DD's wicked counterpart. Their outfits is what always made their fights look so cool. I have DD #146 FROM jUNE 77, and Bullseye's pretty cheesily written. I dont know how Frank Miller's 80s take on the character was, but I'm guessing he's a psycho more along the lines of the Joker, and if the movie is following Miller's storylines, then it should be damn good.(Obligatory rant on Kingpin's race starts now) I think casting MCD was daring, but fucking great. (not saying that just cuz im black)I cant believe some of the ignorant comments about him being "KingPimp".Yeh, a black guy in a suit equals a pimp. Good Job.Seriously,to believe that just because Kingpin will be played by a black man he will be "gangsta " and "ghettoized" and would not be believable as a top mob boss. Because all black men buy into that attitude right? Let me tell you a story. From 1929 - 1968 a man named Ellsworth Johnson was a top mob boss. He spoke properly , was well educated and cultured, had ties to the Italian Mafia, and was one of Manhattan's top criminals for years. Just like Kingpin, huh? Oh and he was black, kinda like Micheal Clark Duncan. So look at history before doubting a black man in certain roles in cociety. " Oh im not racist I just dont see a large black man being rich AND intelligent AND respected."
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How about DD bodysurfing a thug down some stairs? Or the glimpse of the billy-club in action? Not much to go on here, but I liked what I saw!
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Jun 22, 2002 12:08:42 AM CDT
Yeh, yeh, Bobby, i know, fidelity to the source material and all
by virgil sollozzo
But this is the casting choice they made. I know he isnt supposed to be black, Im just trying to justify why he CAN be black.
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Look, it's like this:
Although it doesn't stand out as the greatest movie trailer ever, I think it serves its purpose of setting the mood.
It's very urban (like the Crow). The DD burning on the asphalt is a nice touch/tribute to the permanent image that was left by Brandon Lee's final performance.
I'm not bothered by the fact that Coolio is in this movie as long as they cast him the the right role. Old-timer daredevil fans will know who I'm referring to. Turk.
It's very dark and moody (like Batman without the rubber nipples and cape). You want sunny vibrant colors of neon orange and neon yellow, go dust off Batman Forever or Batman & Robin.
It follows the new trend of being based on a comic book without the campiness. X-Men poked fun at itself because the fact is that no one wants to see Hugh Jackman and Ben Affleck in spandex (ladies excluded).
The Bullseye costume is excusable. If there really was a nutjob in the real world like Bullseye, he'd probably be a night-clubbing skinhead psychopath with a leather fetish.
Electra, who the hell is gonna bitch about a chick in leather hot-pants who can spin a pair of sai synchronously? Personally I would rather have seen a bit more european woman playing her, but hell, if the hot-pants fit...
Ben Affleck as Daredevil? Ya know, give the guy a break. He'll do a good job. His heart is in the role as much as Tobey's was for Spider-Man and Hugh's was for Wolverine. These guys took their roles seriously and got a chip on their shoulder to prove all the critics wrong. Ben will to.
02.14.03 - I'll be there (the wife too).
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Wow. I'm not a big Daredevil fan, but holy crap that looks cool.
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Jun 22, 2002 12:50:37 AM CDT
Another superhero, another moody rooftop shot. Yawn.
by forest the gimp
Blahblahbalh...When will some-one think of a new and original way to present a superhero? The rooftop thing....it's been done to death. The only people who find rooftop shots moody and evocative are pasty-faced geeks who live in their mother's basement and have never seen the sky. Which pretty much describes most of the people who frequent this site. Come out from under the rocks, you depressing low-lifes, and see the daylight. ("No, the sun, it hurts us, precious..") Yeah, that's what I thought.
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"It didn't have JarJar in it, so mesa no like it!"
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that daredevil is blind and relies on his hearing, but wears a mask that covers his ears.
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Jun 22, 2002 1:00:08 AM CDT
This movie is going to rock but Ebert would probably give it a t
by steal_dragon
But I don't listen to any critic that gives Silence of the Lambs a thumbs down and used to write porno for a living back in the 60's. Go to IMDB and type in Roger Ebert, he wrote 2 rated X movies.
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Jun 22, 2002 1:02:39 AM CDT
This movie is going to rock but Ebert would probably give it a t
by steal_dragon
Actually 3 rated X movies.
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So, Gimp! Enlighten us. Where the hell should a superhero hang out other than the rooftop?
Sitting at his computer trying to make himself look like less of a loser by knocking other people who are hmmmn... in the same goddamn talkback section as you are? Do I detect a wee bit of denial?
Get over yourself man. If you are sitting at your friggin pc this time of night on a Friday bitchin about stupid shit, you really shouldn't be throwing stones. -
Let's see...shoots load over rough cut of "Clones", doesn't "care for" "Minority Report" (while like 97% of critics on rottentomatoes.com DO care for it), bludgeons us relentlessly with "Spy Kids 2" bullshit (not to say it's a bad movie, but let's consider its proper place), and he takes a stab at a "Penthouse Variations"-style review with "Blade II". Oh, and this TEASER REPEAT TEASER doesn't do anything for him. The big question is...why should we care?? The Credometer needle is hovering around "zero", dude. The Crudometer, on the other hand...For those of you who care what any "contributor" to this site (yes, even McWeeny and DuPont)has to say opinion-wise, well, "let me offer you a nickel's worth of free advise, McFly": stop. Come for the news, stay for the talkbacks, but just ignore the downward-spiralling "journalism" that inhabits this place. There's about as much "guerrilla" here as Rage Against the Machine shilling their last album on fucking T.R.L. Oh, and me? I thought the trailer was functional and this really looks like a fucking no-nonsense ass-kicker. But that's just me.
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Remember how that one kinda seemed slapped together too? And *GASP* that was released by FOX too. The effects weren't even finished in the footage shown. Remember the Cyclops optic blast with no laser beam? Relax fanboys. The reason this feels slapped together is because it is. The studio is just trying to get the movie out there into people's consciousness. This will rock just like X-men did and Hulk and X-men 2 will. Deep cleansing breath all.
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Like I said in some other talkback, this was the funniest trailer I've seen in a long time and I hope it is the great super hero parody everyone hoped mystery men would be. The joke that they trick him into wearing that costume because he's blind is kind of cruel to blind people but I don't care, it's still hilarious to see Ben Affleck running around in that funny leather getup. Anyway the reason I'm posting is because of the kid who was criticizing Roger Ebert's "porno." True, if you are planning to jack off you will probaly be disappointed by those movies, but that's because Russ Meyer isn't a fuckin porno director, ya moron. BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS is a clever satire, and is the reason why we adults still give Mr. Ebert a pass even after he went completely fuckin nuts a couple years ago. People always use that old chestnut about critics that if they haven't made a movie themselves then what do they know. (Which is a huge load of horseshit, but let's pretend it isn't.) Well, Ebert HAS made a movie, and a good one, and you are criticizing him for it. Well I won't accept that. Go to bed.
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A teaser is supposed to make you want more. This was like watching a trailer for Witchblade. Just to be all pompous and whatnot, here's what I would've done with it using all of the shots in their teaser: They flash on Daredevil on the roof. A heartbeat sound starts in slowly in the background. Then flash on Elektra in a closeup. The heartbeat gets louder. Then flash on Bullseye. The heartbeat gets a little louder. Then the quick shot where DD has the sai thrown at his head. The heartbeat is pounding. The screen goes black and DD says in a voiceover, "I can hear you." Cut. That's it. Done. The way they did it, you don't learn shit about Daredevil. Most people who aren't familiar with the character are probably going to be interested just because I think the general public likes superhero movies, but they'll be scratching their heads when it comes to what DD can do.
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Ebert didn't give Silence of the Lambs a thumbs down... He gave it 3 1/2 stars, then 4 stars when it declared it one of the Great Movies. Not sure where you got that from.
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After reading the press junket at chud.com, all of the actors seem very into their roles, and it seems like the filmmakers have some interesting ideas as how to deliver the characters. All of you people bagging on Bullseye's costume are going to be eating crow when you see Farrell in the part. I think that everyone but Affleck is going to be strong. Affleck is going to be the weak link, but that'll be okay, because the supporting cast will be so outstanding that you won't care. They're already talking about doing an Elektra film. I never realized what a big head Affleck has. He does look like the DD from the cover for Man Without Fear, though. Giant head and skinny body. I still think that Matt Damon would've OWNED this part, but that's because Damon is an actor. Ben Affleck is a nice guy, he's funny, but he's not a serious actor.
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Looks pretty good. A big Daredevil splash would help though.
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I was waiting for awhile to see this,and I have to say,Im not really impressed. Ive been worried about this movie for awhile. When Affleck got cast I grew even more worried. Hey,I even like Affleck,but he just doesnt seem right for this. I still think Guy Pearce wold have been perfect. Then I heard Sean Astin might get to play Foggy,and I got excited. Instead it went to Favreau,who,once again,I like,but boy did he look goofy as Foggy in the pics Ive seen. Michael Clarke Duncan is a bad choice for Kingpin. No,not because he's black. But because he's probably going to be paying Kingpin as a hip,cool,bad-ass gangster,and it will probably come across seeming like a parody of 70's explotation film villains. Then there was the casting of Jennifer "Hey,she plays a hot ass kicking chick on TV so clearly she's right for our hot ass kicking chick even though she bears no resemblance to the character whatsoever" Garner. Throughout all of this,the one last remaining bit of hope for me was the casting of Colin Farell as Bullseye. Then I saw what they've done to Bulleye visually. What the hell? Im sorry,but no fan of the comic can honestly look at that and say "yeah,thats much better than the Bullseye costume." I wasnt impressed with the Daredevil or Elektra costumes either,but I figured I would wait for the trailer,to see them in action,not just as stills. Well,now Ive seen it. And it sucks. I think the problem I have with Daredevil is it looks as if MSJ is turning it into a hip,Matrix-style action movie. Thats fine for a lot of comic books,like X-Men for example. But I think that tone is all wrong fo Daredevil,which should be much more of a character study of Matt Murdock with the superhero stuff kind of pushed off to the side until the climax,kinda like what Raimi did with Spiderman. Ive never read Daredevil and thought "man,this is good,but what would make it even better is if everyone was wearing ridiculous looking leather rave outfits and it was set to a techno score." (OK,i know I cant say for sure the score will be techno,but after seeing the trailer,I wouldnt be surprised.)The other thing that worries me is how much they're trying to fit in one movie. OK,we're gonna cover his childhood with his boxer father,his origin,Kingpin,Elektra(possible the death of Elektra?),his relationship with Elektra,and Bullseye? Thats a lot for a 2 hour movie,its gonna have to be pretty dense. Not to mention the trailer makes it look like the kind of movie that will have 6 minutes kung-fu scenes every 10 minutes or so. The Daredevil logo made of fire in the trailer is ridiculous. Leave that to the Crow,its completely out of character for Daredevil. Think about it,can you really see him doing that? Kevin Smith says this is gonna be the best comi book movie since Batman,huh? Well,clearly he has no ulterior motive to say that,except for the fact that one of his best friends is the star,he himself is in it,Daredevil is basically only extremely popular right now because of him,MSJ has said it was Smith's arc on Daredevil that made him want to do this movie,they actually listened to his advice on this one,etc,etc. Im pretty sure Smith's beef with Spiderman boils down to the fact that they never asked him for any help in making it. Smith probably looks at himself as the guy to go to for advice and consultation whenever any comic movie is being made now. Im a huge Kevin Smith fan,but I have a hard time believing that in a year he'll be able to look anyone in the eye and say Daredevil is a better movie than Spiderman. And finally,if you want to convince me Im watching a trailer for the "greatest comic book movie of all time",dont put freakin' Coolio in it.
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...but THAT is supposed to be better? Granted, we could do without spandex, but no recognizable costume, or mask, or even hair on the dude's head?? What the fuck!! I'm seriously starting to wonder about how this movie's gonna work. They're even having Karen Page in it!! Isn't that like overkill, seeing as how with Elektra there's already a romantic interest?? Maybe if they do a sequel we can see Typhoid Mary though; that might be cool.
And oh yeah STEAL DRAGON, I don't know what the hell you mean about Ebert giving "Silence of the Lambs" a thumbs down. Go to his website: www.suntimes.com/ebert, and search for his review. Two reviews (one pre-"Hannibal," one post), both giving it over 3 1/2 stars. You be illin'!! -
Jun 22, 2002 3:53:57 AM CDT
About all this Bitching about them ripping off the Matrix and Ba
by defiant
Such nonsense. So many people praise the "originality" of the Matrix when the Matrix got most if not all it's Ideas's from anime. Dardevil uses anime as an influence itself, but most of it is inspired from the Daredevil comic. NOT the Matrix, and Not Batman. Minus the questionable outfits, all of the Trailer are from scenes that you can almost take directly from the comic.
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That's enough. To me, he looks like a psycho assassin. That spandex shit would not work in a movie. You can overlook it when you read comic books. But his costume, if you just picture it for a moment, is pretty corny and obvious. "Hey, I'm Bullseye, I have a target on my head." Well, he DOES have a target on his head, and the crazy mofo carved it in.
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Trailer rocks! Warner Bros, please study this trailer and learn- AHH! THAT'S HOW BATMAN IS SUPPOSED TO MOVE!! My only problem is the costume looks black in most of the shots, hoping its just cuz the trailer was slappped together and not all the visuals are ready. Also wish they would've made Colin "Fookin'" Ferrell wear a variation of the Bullseye costume. Never had a problem with Duncan as Kingpin until I saw the cigar pic. Please don't make him into a 70's blackploitation character- Wilson Fisk is sophisticated and articulate. Garner looks good but still wish they cast Jolene Blalock. Too bad Stick isn't in the pic. The training sessions with the young Matt Murdock would've been cool and guys to play Stick? Howzabout Lance Henrickson or Scott Glenn!
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What I liked about this trailer is that to me it had the feel of a the comic. Sure some of the costumes and characters may look different, but in watching this, I see the Daredevil comic come to life. Sometimes you get that feeling with comic trailers (Spiderman, Daredevil) and sometimes you get the feeling of just a movie (X Men, or any of the Batman Movies).
I'm Not expecting a Spiderman here but I shouldn't be either. Spiderman had almost double the budget and alot more time. I'm just happy as a long time Daredevil fan to see that he got his own movie. -
In Frank Miller days, Daredevil's costume was supposed to be such a dark red that it was black more than red most of the time.
About your idea of Lance Henrickson as Stick, DAMN, that would be PERFECT!!! I am pretty sure Stick is not in this film, but it is a Great idea for a sequel! -
But what about the composition on that opening shot? There's just this guy hanging out on the roof dressed in a goofy costume with angels around him. I know all about Daredevil, and I was watching it going, "What is this corny bastard doing hanging out on a ledge at night?" As I said before, I believe this is going to be a good film, but the way this trailer was edited was piss poor. If they were doing the Angel thing to hint at his Catholicsm, I just wouldn't get it unless I knew about DD. And everything after are such quick cuts that you don't understand anything that these characters are about except that there is going to be hard-core action. So what?
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I agree with superninja, matt damon would have owned this part. when I heard he was in the running I was stoked, only to find out later that ben (over rated) affleck got it :( I saw bourne identity an hour ago, pretty average movie, but in the fight scenes I kept picturing him as daredevil. the way he broke that guys leg than arm, that is totally something dd would do. just wishing it would have gone that way i guess, at least he can act!
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Jun 22, 2002 6:04:08 AM CDT
Are you guys nuts? That fucking rocked... especially for a tease
by psyclops
We actually get to see some action instead of a voiceover and a stupid superhero logo like most teasers usually consist of. The movie isn't even finished yet so be happy with what you get.... fucking christ, the movie is still eight months away! How can you not love that opening shot? What about Jennifer Garner doing the 'Crow' like rooftop jump? What about Ben doing his kung fu thing with that badass weapon?!? I never thought I would buy into him as a superhero and now he's got me wanting to see the movie right now, this instant!!! The only real problem I had with the teaser was Coolio and that brief glimpse of the Kingpin looking like he's just stepped in for Ronald Isley as Mr. Biggs for the next R. Kelly video. Aside from that, this kicks ass.
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Jun 22, 2002 6:29:32 AM CDT
Didn't Sterling Sillphant write a DD film years ago? Why did
by monkey_king
Bad tidings I feel for this film already. Casting Duncan as the KingPin was the first signs of trouble for this film. Sterling Silliphant's character from the Longstreet series (played by James Franciscus)inspired DD in the first place, and he was blonde as well. He had a better version of Stick named Li Tsung played by Bruce Lee. I wondered about this film after I saw the practically "R" rated MTV movie awards show with Jack Black. Affleck was still filming DD and came out as a presenter with brown hair, then my fears began to grow. Maybe Matt Damon or Paul Walker would've been better for the role of Matt Murdock. The Crow motifs suck.
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teaser's good though. maybe you're getting old harry ;)
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I'll be there on Valentine's Day, ready to fall in love with Daredevil! Boo yeah!
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Jun 22, 2002 7:10:27 AM CDT
Funnybook writer/artist John Byrne made a funny point on another
by dave_f
He noted that the symbol on Bullseye's head in the movie isn't actually a bullseye...it's a gunsight. Oops! That branding iron stuff don't wash off! ***** A few more points: To Superninja -- I really like your idea for the teaser, but I think it was important that this flick is immediately established as a superhero film, and that's one thing your hypothetical trailer wouldn't have done. I'm betting they're waiting for a second, slightly longer teaser to throw out a little exposition, similar to what happened with X-MEN. And while a teaser should always make you want more, sometimes I think that can be done by just getting the audience pumped with some stuntwork and cool music. For me, at least, that's the level at which the trailer worked. As for the opening scene of DD on the rooftop, A) It's sort of a classic superhero pose, instantly telling Joe Average that this is a superhero flick, and B) It established that DD is one'a them grim, urban-type heroes, and not a high-flying Superman or Spider-Man type. On a slightly-related note: Heya! Always good to see you in the Talkbacks, Superninja. ****** Regarding Bullseye's costume: I really wish they'd used it. I've said in countless Talkbacks that old-school superhero costumes will *not* be laughed at in movies if the special effects and direction are in place to showcase the characters' powers and make them look like badasses. One need only look at the two best superhero flicks, SUPERMAN and SPIDER-MAN to understand this. Both are box office champs, both have utterly convincing superheroes, and both feature some of the most garish costumes ever invented. If Bullseye had been in his classic costume, I figure viewers might chuckle a little when they first saw him...right up until he pitched a playing card fast enough to slit some poor bastard's throat. Maybe the movie version will work out fine, as happened with the X-MEN -- all I know is that they *could've* used the comic costume, and I think it would've looked far cooler. ***** About Affleck: I've never liked this guy in an action role yet, but word is that SUM OF ALL FEARS is pretty good, and surely his acting abilities must figure into that assessment right? Who's seen it? I need confirmation!
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Get some help, pal.
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Jun 22, 2002 10:20:40 AM CDT
Ben Affleck is to Daredevil what George Clooney was to Batman.
by batutta
Georgers Batman felt like George Clooney in a batsuit. All his nod-smile-bob mannerisms came right through the costume, and I have the feeling Ben is going to feel just the same in his DD leather tights.
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I think all the nay-sayers will be back peddling quickly when they see what MCD does with the role. I can visualize him as the Kingpin. This is inspired.
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Following too far behind perhaps. The similarity is undeniable though it lacks the awe inspired visual inventiveness of Burton. In fact they may have drained the style out of this film along with the color. Looks more like a TV show coming to Fox this Fall. The Flash meets Dark Angel or something. Plus who releases a decent movie in February? At least they got Coolio. Guess Ice Cube was busy that day.
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Jun 22, 2002 10:56:30 AM CDT
Everyone here is gonna see this movie no matter what, so stop bi
by moderator
Teaser trailers are always shitty. But this one beats the "Solaris" teaser hands down.
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Jun 22, 2002 10:59:00 AM CDT
Every Superhero Action Movie Trailer is Exactly the Same
by nocureforfools
i don't see how you can form any sort of opinion on this, or any, trailer. it looks like everything else. it looks like you will get exactly what you want: simple, mindless story, lots of ass kicking, brooding hero, glowering villian, hot chick doing back flips, bad acting, annoying Wagner-for-Retards style score (although, inexplicably, the soundtrack will feature the usual shitty top ten "rock" songs, lame hip hop, 10 year out of date electronica and, of course, the treacy love theme.) you've all already made this the biggest grossing movie of the week that it will be released, which will break all records for a film released on a Wednesday since 1998 (or some such arbitrary PR nonsense).
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this looks horrible. the "alias" girl is possibly the worst choice possible for Elektra and %^*($@# Affleck is too stocky for Daredevil. Daredevil is thin, more wiry...
they are going to ruin my favorite character...great.
Elektra should be dark, and, I dunno, GREEK LOOKING? What'sherface looks too innocent, too scared of $%*(% everything.
BOO, HISS, THIS FILM WILL SUCK.
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Why is it that you get a large black man, put him in a nice suit, and give him cigar and you card carrying boys start breaking out "pimp" references. Since no one on this board has heard the man talk, has seen him do anything in action it, is amazing that you can make that choice based off one picture. Lets wait till Feb. or at least the next trailer to make that choice. If it acts like it then, then you have every right to bitch. If not eat your damn "crow".
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If the X-MEN and BATMAN movies have taught us anything, it's the fact that costume design (or re-design) doesn't matter. If the script is good, (and I've read here and elsewhere, that's it's excellent) and the director understands the character, then the movie will work. Period.
This also applies to the actors. I admit, some of the cast don't conform to my idea of the characters, either. However, I don't think any of the choices are so bad that they'll ruin a solid script. Colin Farrel will completely kick ass as Bullseye, despite looking like Andre Agassi. I also think Michael Clarke Duncan will surprise a lot of you by proving to be a very effective Kingpin. Anyway, Here's hoping. -
It teased. I guess that's what it was supposed to do. Anyway, I was gonna weigh in with my opinions about the casting, costumes, etc., but I'm so far down in the talkback nobody'll read it anyway. sk
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Exactly what CoolDan989 said...check yourself in, and we'll provide the white jacket. And dammit, man, don't shit on yourself.
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How is Fox gonna get the Fav fans in the seats without showing him in the trailer?
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....or should I say, the same NON-feeling. It's just a teaser, though; and I'd bet they probably slapped it together to capitalize on 'Sum Of All Fears' doing so well at the box office.
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Hey Puto, why you flinch?!? hehe.. doesn't really seem like the "Man without fear" does it?? heheh
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Jesusfrigginchrist!
Relax, it's a goddamn teaser.
If somebody showed the world 30 seconds of footage from your life, would anyone give a shit?
Now lay down and take a nap before that blood vessel pops outta your forehead.
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that's exactly what i'm thinking when i watched the 'teaser'. wonder what Proyas' vision would look like on this film?
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You're missing the point about MCD as Kingpin. It has NOTHING to do with a black man being "ghettoized" or not being rich, inteligent, or respected. The whole argument is that Kingpin was written as a white man, and should be portrayed as a white man because that would show some respect to the source material.
(By the way- I'm not white. I'm Cheyenne, and I have plenty of reasons to dislike whites AND blacks. Luckily, I was raised to judge by individual actions, so I don't think I'm racist.)
What you're essentially saying is that it's not OK for whites to have pride in a white character, and they should stop whining when a classic white character is rearranged to be black because if they don't accept the change, they're racists?
So you'd have no problem with me saying that we should allow Ben Stiller to play "J" in Men In Black III if Will Smith can't take the role? I mean, so what if the character of "J" has been a black man in the past? If we get Ben Stiller in the role, he'll be funny, and he could probably uphold the spirit of the character, right? Skin color is not important, right? It doesn't matter how he was written, does it? So we'll slap Ben Stiller in the black suit and have him deliver all the lines that were written for the Agent J part. How would that be?
It's the same thing, man. An established character should be respected AS WRITTEN, and the type of media doesn't matter. In Daredevil's case I would think blacks would be upset by the casting decision... I mean, now we have white-as-rice Affleck as Daredevil fighting to take down a black CRIME LORD. It's sort of insulting that a black man gets the role of VILLAIN, don't you think?
That's my problem with MCD as Kingpin. It turns the whole story into a black versus white thing. Watch the anglo beat the man of color AGAIN.
It's not that I have any lack of respect for MCD, or that I doubt a black crime boss. It's that I've read the comics for a long time, and I've read about a big, huge, fat, muscular, old white man who makes Daredevil's life miserable. MCD is big, and muscular. He's not old, white, or fat. He's not as huge as Kingpin is in the books. I'm sorry if that seems racist, but it's not. I just want stories to be true to the source material, and I'm sure blacks would feel the same way if they filmed a Captain America movie and cast a white guy as Falcon.
The writers made him white, and kept him white, for a reason. Maybe it was because they didn't sell a lot of comics to blacks in the 60's. Maybe it was because they thought a white guy that was as HUGE as Wilson Fisk is would be pretty intimidating. Who knows? All we know is that for decades it's been that way, and changing it shows a lack of respect to source material, and a lack of respect to the creators and writers. It's an art form, man! If they decided to repaint the Mona Lisa's skin so it was darker, people would get pissed. NOT because the idea of a black Mona Lisa bothers them, but because the Mona Lisa is AS IT WAS CREATED, and altering that to be PC would be condescending and insulting.
I'm skipping this movie. I'm certainly not letting their gamble at being controversial lure me into paying to see the Matrix meets Batman via the Crow.
I say that the people who are making accusations of racism are racists themselves. They are so quick to judge people's reasons for this casting argument that they lump all the naysayers into a big, messy category of "white guys who just don't want black men in their movies" or something equally lame. Grow up. I'm allowed to hate the idea of a black man in a white role and NOT be racist. I'm allowed to hate the idea of a Spaniard in a NATIVE AMERICAN role (Ricardo Montalbon, anyone?) and not be racist. I'm even allowed to hate the idea of a white man in a black man's role, and not be racist. It IS about race, but it's not about hating the race. It's about hating the decision to rewrite source material to suit a poor casting director. -
is it cause he's red? and I wonder if all the bitches whining over the trailor are the same people who bitched about Spiderman and X-men...quality comic movies and fanboy a-holes still aren't happy...sad thing is they liked the days of Schumachers batman and robin better because they *like* to bitch...whats even sadder is in those days the comics were better than the movies now its the opposite...
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maybe if some of you lame ass geeks who cry and complain about everything ever got laid you'd STOP whining for once. you all sound like a bunch of little old women nitpicking about any little thing you can find in some pathetic attempt to make your sad geek selves seem superior. did you sit and cry at the table when your mommy didn't make just what you wanted for dinner too? i hope all you effeminate, pre-menstruel wankers do decide to stay in your room in your parent's basement instead of going to DD. just means better chance of good seats for me, and i won't have to worry about listening to any bitching during the movie about how Foggy's shoes are different than in the comics.
the teaser looked kick ass and if you are too dense to already have a feel for the mood of the movie, which i think WILL resemble the Crow more than Batman, thats just too bad for you. anyone real fan of DD who has read the Miller era stuff this movie is based on can see what they're going for in this movie. its going to be about loss, guilt, conflict of conscience, and redmption. dark and moody, yet with a glimmer of hope. i think they're going to nail the feel of the comic cold, from what i've seen and read. the action looks as if it will be more than satisfying, with both a kung-fu and smash-mouth feel to it. not the kind of movie or character to do Spidey-typ numbers, but im betting it will do more than well enough at the box office to incrase DD's viability in sequels. wouldn't be surprised to see the second DD movie do better because of the awareness level created from the first movie, much like Austin Powers. -
Yes, I'm bitching about this movie. It looks like shit. No, I was not one of the guys who bitched about Spider-Man. Yes, I complained a bit about X-Men, but only their costumes (I STILL think the spandex would have worked- Especially on the women). But Daredevil looks crappy from head to toe. MCD is wrong for Kingpin. Affleck is dull. Garner is too damn skinny and ugly. And the Bullseye "costume"??? What the hell is that? Gunsight! Ha! John Byrne is right! Maybe that's NOT Bullseye- maybe it's entirely new villain called "Gunsight"! You know, like in Batman & Robin when they mixed Bane with Killer Croc. Or like in Batman Forever where they mixed Mad Hatter with the Riddler's costume. Or like Batman Returns when they mixed the Penguin with something that spits slime and lives in dirty underwear (I won't name names). This WILL suck. They're slapping together a B movie, and it shows. Shades of Punisher...
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just because people are waring leather it looks like the Matrix??? can you say, "learning disabled"? wtf, because of the Matrix no movie is allowed to use leather without being accused of copying the Matrix? that DD teaser didn't have the look of the Matrix at all. or the feel. i guess no more movies should ever be made where the look and feel is dark, or where there is kung-fu-type action, or where anyone wears leather simply because of a movie called the Matrix. i guess there shouldn't be anymore movies made about cops either, since it would just be a copy of Lethal Weapon, right? no more movies about space due to Star Wars and Star Trek. you see how inane and retarded the whole notion is? why don't you bedwetting little bitcher and moaners try to be original for once in your criticizm, eh? for a bunch of geeks who slam every single movie about not being good enough, you use the same old lame crap to put movies down. "oh no, he'she just isn't right for the role. its going to suck, even though i haven't seen 60 seconds of the film yet i can tell, blah, blah, blah." if the movies you cry about were as formula, rehashed, and overdone as your bitching and whining on here THEN we'd really have something to complain about.
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I don't really like DAredevil that much,but the teaser was what a teaser is short and sweat, the film looks good and i will probly not be their opening night(since its valintines and i'd like to spend it with my girlfriend) anyway yah it looks good and shit but I would just like a little bit more, sumthin to set the mood of the film,the rooftop thing kinda did but still more would be appreitated ALSO GODZUKI IS A FUCKIN TOOL
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Sherlock Holmes is a classic character. Superman is a classic character. Fucking Kingpin from fucking Daredevil is not a classic character. He is a generic crime lord character only unique because of his massive size, and thus, Hollywood can fuck with the character all they wish. You act as if anal fanboys are the core audience that the studio is making this film for. Yeh, cuz thats why Spiderman did such brisk business, all the dyed-in - the -wool lifelong Spidey fans projected its B.O. to 350 million. Right. Noone knows Daredevil and Kingpin except us, and very few outside our community. If we are truly fans and truly love a character, no Hollywood movie can spoil that, because we always have it in its true medium, the comics. So what, the Batman movies sucked. Batman as a whole and as a lore is still great. And on the MIB thing if you recall in the comic both agents were white. So if Stiller did replace Smith I wouldnt give a fuck. But you sure didnt seem to notice that, did you. Maybe because there were no anal psychotic fanboys out to protect the "artistic integrity" of MIB. And wasnt Smith great in the role regardless of color? Kinda proves my point. These comic movies are their own things, its your choice as a fan to accept them or not. I f you wanna bitch over an obviously decent adaptation of Daredevil because they made a character the general public is not even aware of into a black man, then go ahead. I, however will be there opening day.
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I didn't like the X-Men costumes when I first heard of them, but I can't think of how hideous they could have been in Spandex. The Spider-Man costume was spot on. The Green Goblin looked horrible in spy pictures, but totally worked in the film. Now, the Daredevil costume looks a tad crap, but I might change my mind when I see the film. It the head piece. It looks WEIRD. Like it is actually his head. Its that tight. I also can't see Affleck BEING A GODDAMN SUPERHERO. But I'll not flame him. I'll make my mind up when I see the movie. I could be good. Could be crap. What kind of age is Daredevil going for "PG-13" or "R"??????
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but i think they should re-imagine him as a leather queen with a handlbar mustache and buttless chaps. he could have the DD branded on his buttocks. in all "seriousness" though, the Kingpin should be white, i agree, but not cause making him black is racist, it's just, when i think Kingpin i think Big Fat White Guy, cause that's what he is in the comic: a Big Fat White Guy. they picked Jennifer Garner cause she's hot and just famous enough witout being prohibitively expensive. do you know of any attractive greek actresses suited to this role? i know i sure don't. basically, any hot chick will do, methinks. i can't buy Ben Affleck as anything other than a sort of knockabout character in a Kevin Smith movie. i really like him in the Kevin Smith stuff, but every other role i've seen him in has been totally unbelievable. i don't see him as anthing else than a regular guy. definately don't buy him as a hero or anything. well, whatever. nobody gives a fuck about Daredevil anyway except geeks. regardless of the fact that the movie will probably pretty much suck, it will do well enough to warrant 2 sequals and then, that's it. btw, the XMen sucked too, even if the casting was pretty good. Spiderman was the best superhero movie ever made: mainly because it went right the heart about what superheros are: escapist power fantasies for adolescent geeks. who better than Peter Parker, also an adolescent / teen geek, to bring the power to the dorks.
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Jun 22, 2002 3:22:50 PM CDT
The trailer reminded me of Jet Li's "Black Mask" more than a
by virgil sollozzo
Matrix my ass.
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Jesus christ who cares if he's black! He's not gonna be all pimped out or gangsta'ized. He's gonna be dark intense and big(hopefully). That's what Kingpin needs to be. I can't think of of a single white guy that could play it effectivley(other then the idea someone had of using cgi on Vincent D'Ofornio, which is quite inspired). But I can think of several black one's: Chi Mcbride(who'd be absolutley perfect), Forest Whitaker and Ving Rhames(CGI would be needed on both however), MCD, and fuck, even that dude from the Fresh Prince of Bellaire(it scares me that I know that). For the longest time whites would put on black makeup and get black roles(Othello), so it's only fair that blacks are able to do the same(though this time it's NOT rascist).The only thing that worries me about MCD is the roles he's picked as of late: The Scorpion King, See Spot Run, Planet of the Apes...But God knows that he CAN be a good actor(same thing goes for Affleck), so I wish him the best of luck.
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...and we all know that the movie turned out pretty good. This flick looks like it should be fun.
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Anyone have any ideas of other racial changes in comic characters on the big screen, that would be good:I personly think that Laurence Fishburn would be a good Doc Oc(though phillip seymor Hoffman would be perfect), or Laurence Fishburn as Raul's Al(as someone mentioned in one of the previous DD talkback.
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SHUT THE F*#K UP!!!
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Jun 22, 2002 4:36:06 PM CDT
Oh and Sherlock_Holmes if you didn't "hear" me the first tim
by thevision
SHUT THE F#*K UP!!!!!!
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SHUT THE F#*K UP!!!!
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for all the geeky little fanboys who rave and fawn over the Matrix as some sort of original work, wake up boys, there's hardly anything about that movie original. hhmm, a future where machines get too smart and big for their britches and conquer the earth, and mankind? sounds like Terminator to me. people hardwired for computer interface? sounds like Johnny Mnemnonic(or however you spell that lame azz movie) bullet time? had already been used in commercials. main character is "the chosen one", the hope for the future. almost like "a new hope" as in "Star Wars: a new hope"? black leather? oh yeah, why there had never ben a movie with black leather before. why, before the Matrix no one had ver thought that black leather was cool, right? the Matrix entranced only those like the two homicidal geeks that shot up their highschool in Colorado. extremely weak in substance, with a few cool bells and whistles.
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but the casting hasn't been the greatest. Don't get me wrong MCD as kingpin could rock and colin farrel as bullseye looks like it's gonna be great cept the costume.
i like garner but she isnt the exotic beuty i pictured for elektra but she seems to e trying to work with the role. I really don't like affleck unless smith is dissing him but the costume is pretty good except the headpiece.
by the way if anyone should play Dr.octupus it should be hugo weaving but he's pretty busy with finishing the lotr and matrix trilogies -
im an a$$...yes. but i thinks its funny the past three marvel films are all in new york city. X-Men, Spoderman, and no Daredevil...but no hint of each others exist. i think it would be cool if like in spiderman it showed just glimpses of the front page of the daily bugle stating about mutants running wild. or in daredevil it would have spiderman rescuing some cat in a tree. little sutile things like these. aint it cool? no? lol. i mean these ppl meet all the time in the comics...why little things like this in the movies (oh wait...they are owned by different production company's...thats retarded) - sorry...waste of time :)
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Jun 22, 2002 5:31:49 PM CDT
Psychotic, this is what I would say to you if I were similar to
by cooldan989
F*** YOU, B****! C***! GO F*** YOURSELF! STICK YOUR F***ING D*** IN YOUR F***ING A**HOLE AND F*** YOUR F***ING SELF! See how powerfully immature that sounds, Psychotic? Well, that's exactly what you sound like to everyone. Please speak in intelligent English next time, and if you don't have the courage to swear without censoring yourself, don't bother doing it at all.
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Jun 22, 2002 5:35:00 PM CDT
I meant that last message for Possibly...sorry, my mind was in a
by cooldan989
But what I said remains the same.
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I'm thevision, not "Psychotic" A$$HOLE!! AND EVEN IF IT WASN'T DIRECTED AT ME...YOU SHUT THE F#*K UP TOO!!!! Anyhoo, the
sh!theads who keep crapping on the Matrix, puhleeze!- the Matrix changed the face of American action films. Before, all we had in action genre were monosyllabic Teutonic Eurotrash steroid freaks and Bruckheimer shoot em ups. Go rent some 80's and early 90's LethalWeaponDieHardRambo dogsh!t if you don't wanna see the action films of today. The action/sci-fi genre was saved by the Matrix you d!ckheads!!!! -
First, Spiderman rips shots of superman(not a homage mind you just a blatent ripoff). Now it looks like the people from daredevil are ripping off Batman! I think marvel had their day and should pack it up and call it one...If they can't even display originality in thier movies they shouldn't make them. By the way i am a HUGE Daredevil fan but I think this movie is going to stink worse than The Punisher!
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Your entitled to your opinion Harry, but the DD teaser is one of the FREAKING BEST EVER!!!
Honestly this teaser is the first and it is better then any of the early Spiderman teasers (I'm thinking about that one where it just shows webs and then the Spider-man title, it sucked, or even the one with the two WTC towers).
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And to quote Harry again: "It must suck to be you"
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this movie will rock. to be more specific it will blow away x-men, yet not quite top spider-man.
if only most of you kids were old enough to remember fan reactions to the castings of superman, batman, ect... reeve and keaton made those roles come alive. hell, maguire gave more than a few people pause before they saw him as spider-man. affleck respects and enjoys his source materiel and is in a better position to make it a killer film experience than YOU. -
Daredevil looks just really friggin' terrible. This trailer has done nothing to convince me that Ben Affleck should play the role. The action looks lame, and the whole thing looks like a goddamn TV movie. This is going to blow, just you wait.
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For the average audience member who doesn't know Daredevil, the teaser shows them NOTHING. Except for one split second shot of Affleck with a cane, there is no reference to the fact he is blind. The teaser feels like a rush job thrown together at the last minute. Random scenes of action with no substance. A better teaser (from the armchair director in me) would have been Affleck dressed as Murdock walking down a quiet New York street at night with his cane. A few muggers surround him. Affleck spouts out some dialog to the effect of "How desperate do you have to be to mug a blind man? Come on guys . . . you don't want to do this." A switchblade is brought out. Murdock enters full ass-kicking mode unleashing a flurry of acrobatic moves and attacks. With one mugger left standing behind Murdock, a knife is thrown and he dodges it. In the same sweeping motion Murdock throws his cane knocking out the last assailant. The cane ricochets off some walls and back into his hand. Affleck spouts out a quip about beating up on the handicapped and walks off. Just something to show the audience who Daredevil is and why he's cool.
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Though may of the faithful readers of this site know everything about "Daredevil's" comic book history, the general moviegoing public has no idea who the hell this blind purple monstrosity is. Why, then, did the studio choose not to put the title of the film in this teaser? Sure, it lists the Web site at the end, but there's no declaration of the title, no title cards for the stars of the picture, just a grainy hodgepodge of images stolen from every movie "Daredevil" wants to be -- "Batman," "The Matrix," "Spider-Man," etcetera. The reaction in the theatre to this trailer was non-existent; no one even knew what the hell it was. The "Solaris" teaser was much more effective and it didn't show anything from the film -- but who needs to see anything when you are told the film has been made by Steven Soderbergh and James Cameron, and stars Soderbergh's favorite leading man, George Clooney? Those names attached to one film are more exciting than 30 seconds of ugly scenes of Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner trying to be cool. Jason Lee's comments in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" just ring truer everyday, don't they? "Once 'X-Men' hit the box office, studios started buying up every comic book they could get their hands on." Too true. What lame comic book is next, Green Lantern? How about Magnus Robot Fighter? "Spider-Man" was already underwhelming, and I have a feeling "X2" won't be so hot either. At least "Hulk" is being made by an honest-to-God great filmmaker like Ang Lee.
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Traditionally I avoid anything starring Ben Affleck like the plague and I'm not a big Daredevil fan. And while the trailer didn't make me go "Holy shit!" I thought it conveyed a dark noirish atmmosphere that I liked I agree with the comparison with "The Crow" (which I think is one of the best comic-book film adapations I've ever seen) so it's in good company. As far as the casting of MCD as the Kingpin goes I was suprised but I think it was a very ballsy move on Johnson's part. In fact when I first heard about this movie my first thought was that MCD would be be perfect for the role of Kingpin. He's a damn good actor and I'm sure he'll do the Kingpin proud, his skin color is irrelevant. I'm clearly in the minority but I like Colin Farrell's look. I always thought Bullseye's costume was kind of bland, so I think this gives the character more of an edge. Overall I would have to say while I'm not exactly orgasmic with anticipation I'm definitely intrigued.
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man, get real. tell me, what about The Matrix was so special that it saved action movies? the writing? the acting? the storyline/plot? or was it simply a new gimmic with bullet-time combined with wire work they borrowed from Hong Kong cinema? see? bullet-time was coming anyway, with or without The Matrix. sure, its a cool piece of eye-candy and a worthwile popcorn flick, but not much more.
to a different subject; who actually thinks that Bullseye comic costume was NOT one of the lamest, dorkiest looking things on a supervillian? i have never liked it. did anyone actually expect an exact replication in the movie? it looks bad enough in the comics and would look too bad for saturday morning tv if used for a live action flick. i've been a fan and collector for almost 25 yrs and i think that just like with MCD as Kingpin even though there is a superficial difference from the comic, both will capture the feel and essence of the characters. and thats what most important, isn't it? -
But that shot of DD on the roof with the angels looked campy. If Affleck isn't lit properly in this costume, he's going to look like a chump. After I saw the teaser, the main thought running through my head was, "Damn! Affleck has a really big head!" I just kept thinking of his big noggin' with those weird red eyes. I don't have any "superninja classics", but as I've said before, if these filmmakers were smart, they would put characters like Batman and DD in shadow. Characters that operate on an urban-myth level. They live in the darkness and use it to their advantage. And so should the filmmakers. I want to see the contrast of shadows and light that are used in comic books in film. When Batman is reigning over Gotham, he is a creature of myth - a shadow that strikes from the darkness to deliver justice (the movies have really never captured this). When Matt Murdoch is in a courtroom, there is light; the world that exists outside of the urban-myth. You can use reality in the light moments, but when it gets dark, the filmmakers should use the opportunity to show how the characters embrace the darkness and use it to hide themselves. Because DD and Bats rely on their own capabilities. They're human.
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Go, check Solaris instead.
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all you do when you spout off about whatever it is has you up on a soap box today is make yourself look stupid. heres my two cents:
the opening shot was great, as i've said before, i know little about daredevil, but this shot told me quite a bit, the angels, taking up the whole screen with thier wings, then seeing DD, smaller, if that didn't show A) hes a super hero and B) he is vunerable and more like a regular man than some super-human then i don't know anything about film symbolism.
and about MCD, if they cast any white guy for the roll you'd all bitch b/c he wasn't big enough, so they find a guy to do it, and you complain b/c hes black. unless the kingpin character had something in his story that requiered him to be white, its no different that they cast a white man or black man. race shouldn't be a quality of a character like sex is, i mean, if they got chyna to do it, then you'd have a point.
thats it..i thought the teaser was cool..i'll see the movie
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Well, it's cool to finally catch a glimpse of what this film's gonna look like. But I'll have to wait and see the film before I'll comment on what sucks and what's cool. Decent little trailer, wish there was more to see. BTW, I've never been a big DD fan...but I have to admit it's great to see more comic-book characters go to the big screen with decent scripts and budgets.
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bad, not bad at all. If I can pay $8.50 to watch Scooby Doo then I can go watch this as well. Oops, I can't believe I just admitted to that. I took my small son....you believe me don't you?!?.
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For a movie a lot of people here claim looks bad and they don't care about. I actually thought this film was under the radar for the most part but now I may change my mind. There is no bigger DD fan than me and I find the teaser inconclusive. A good script is impossible to see from a teaser and often a trailer. You ALL know that all the little bitches you have with the production will fall away if it simply tells a good story. Keep your eyes crossed.
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Blue tone movies are boring to look at and it is obvious this director can't do anything else in his movies. Maybe he is color blind or has a (Picasso blue stage problem) maybe in a bout 2 years he will go into his red phase is this supposed to be cool or original or yet cutting edge? Sorry but no it looks depressing and boring.
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Blue tone movies are boring to look at and it is obvious this director can't do anything else in his movies. Maybe he is color blind or has a (Picasso blue stage problem) maybe in a bout 2 years he will go into his red phase is this supposed to be cool or original or yet cutting edge? Sorry but no it looks depressing and boring.
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The trailer I saw for DD before MINORITY REPORT was pretty awful, but then it is aimed at the 8-15 age set. I'm over 50, after all. It had a little tiny weensy bit of THE CROW feel to it. That's about the best I can say about it. The DD costume looks for shit. What is he wearing? A dark leather jacket and a skintight head piece? More fucking leather??? Didn't we get enough of this in X-MEN?
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...um, isn't February the dumping ground for Hollywood? January and February tend to be where the suits put the complete and utter misfires. Here's to genuinely hoping that it's not the case here. Oh yeah, BTW, when will you geeks get it into your head that nobody gives a screeching rat's ass about fidelity to the comic? Repeat: NO ONE CARES. MCD will kick ass as Kingpin. Why? Because MCD kicks ass. End of story. I don't give two shits about whether the character was white, black, green, or Spiro Friggin' Agnew. I know you're probably tired of the comment "get a life," but you're gonna continue to hear it until you show signs of understanding what it means. GET A DAMN LIFE.
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Real Actors are supposed to be intelligent and talk.
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First of all, it was a teaser. If you haven't learned by now what the point of a teaser is, I'm not going to waste precious bandwidth trying to explain it. I enjoyed it. Got a good feel for how things may play, and am looking forward to seeing more. Now, Victor, Agent J was white in the original source material. They were going to cast Emilio Estevez for the part, and decided to go in a different direction. And look how that turned out. (Didn't fly as well for Wild Wild West unfortunately.) Recasting Ben Stiller shouldn't cause that big a stink. He'd actually be pretty good, and it would be setting things white. (ba-dum-pum) My problem with people complaining about MCD is that they assume he's going to gangsta-fy the role BECAUSE HE'S BLACK, or that he won't give the role the proper dignity BECAUSE HE'S BLACK, or that he was only cast for PC reasons BECAUSE HE'S BLACK, and then they have the audacity to say that it's not a racist thing. Their only complaint is his RACE and yet it's not RACIST. And as far as this movie being turned into a white vs black thing, did anyone think that way about Demolition Man or Universal Soldier 2? Did anybody see those movies? Okay, not stellar box office smashes or even half-way watchable movies to be sure, but I think I make my point. Daredevil is blind. He doesn't care if Kingpin is black or not. Don't make a stink until you see what he does with the role, and if he turns into Nino Brown, then I'll be right there by your side, saying he was all wrong for the part. But until then, I'll call it a good move until I'm proven wrong.
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Daredevil... he's red right...? One of the most interestingly colored costumes in the biz... but in this Teaser... he's wearing black leather. Hmmmm... who are the ad wizards that came up with this one? I mean, it worked with Batman... cause Batman was the first to change up the suit. Supe (Reeves) stayed tru with the red (yellow) and blue... but now Hollywood is on a leather rampage... Wolverine has one of thee sickest costumes in all of comics... so lets grab an outfit from Road Warrior and plop Hugh in it. What's next...? Is the Hulk going to be green and monstrous..? or is his skin going to resemble the biker jacket I have in my bedroom closet. Here's an idea... check out Batman: The animated series. They did a good job of playing with the color of the dark knight's costume... mostly black, but the classic blue reared its beautiful head from time to time. Red... I wanna see hellish, fiery red... NOW!
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Nuff said!
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Jun 24, 2002 2:34:47 AM CDT
we're not ALL dateless wonders - some of our dates wanna see
by tall_boy
trust me, they're a rarity in girls, but its SO worth it, hold on like a pit bull on a 3 month old. BTW, that trailer rocked, I almost jumped when DD/the gargoyle moved. and Affleck was da bomb in phantoms, yo
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Jun 24, 2002 2:37:57 AM CDT
oh, and just my 2 cents, I like full screen DIVX avi files inste
by tall_boy
just my 2 cents
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Check out the second half of the teaser in frame-by-frame (thank you Quicktime), there's some cool-ass shit in there (as well as some sketchy-looking stuff, admittedly). DD using the billyclub is excellent, and garner doing her own stunts (flipping off the wall, twirling the sais) is totally matrix, but what's wrong with that? I don't really like the costumes, but jennifer garner's f*cking hot, the fighting looks good, the supporting cast is aces - now please god, please god, PLEASE don't have garner try to front some kind of an accent. I'm afraid that her hi-jinks on Alias have her convinced she can do a Greek accent, I'm HIGHLY skeptical. That's the one thing that could send this puppy over the edge, it's tilting on the point of one of her sais right now as it is...I do like it that Farrell gets to use his real accent, you can tell how fake his American dealio sounds in Minority Report (which kicks ass, BTW).
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... one thing this trailer desperately tries to do is to make us think that Daredevil will be the next Matrix. From the black leather Trinity-esque hopping around to the inclusion of a face-shot of Joe Pantoliano for no other reason than the hopes that it clicks in the viewer's brain.
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My only problem with this teaser is it seems to build and build and then give me no payoff. No resolution, no awe. Otherwise, I'm impressed and will give Daredevil the benefit of the doubt that I didn't give X-men. Oh, and about Affleck. I don't get where this "Affleck can't act" crap comes from. He caertainly CAN act - and rather well. He was good in "Good Will Hunting." He was good in "Chasing Amy." He was good in "The Sum of All Fears." The Affleck hating on the Talkbacks gets more and more disingenuous every time, much like all those geeks who scream from the mountaintops that they hate N-Sync while they're secretly humming "bye-bye-bye" to themselves in the shower each morning. Oh, and as for ripping off The Matrix, is that a bad thing? Frankly, The Matrix ripped off most of it's material from the talented Hong Kong directors of the last twenty years, so why shouldn't Daredevil be allowed to do it? Hell, when The Matrix came out,we were all here saying that "Hollywood should make more movies like this!" Don't get me wrong, I'll puke if I see bullet-time in this movie, but let's not kid ourselves into believing that the Wachowski's woke up one morning and created an entirely new filmaking style out of thin air. In fact I'm hoping Daredevil leaps right over The Matrix and steals more directly from the movie Matrix took many of it's cues from - The Crow. Do you people even LIKE movies? Breathe, for God's sake.
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Jun 24, 2002 11:23:02 AM CDT
i was so apalled when i saw america's sweetheart with my wif
by yankeessuck
the fact that cusack wore an overcoat was such a rip-off of the matrix. ok, it was a robe, but pretty fucking blatant.
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Oh, I'm really not sure about this. There's stuff to like in this trailer and stuff that, quite frankly, I wouldn't care less if I ever saw again.
The Good Stuff: 1)Jennifer Garner moves like Elektra, she may not have the costume, but she's got the physical essence down to a T. I don't even need to listen to the accent. She's a versatile actress, with a pretty wide range and I'm sure she'll be fine. 2)Colin Farrell looks fine, I don't think Bullseye needs to wear the comic book costume. If Farrell nails the character, then the character will radiate from whatever he's wearing. 3)The photography looks really effective; you can almost feel the menace in the darkness. It looks like how Batman should have looked. Maybe that's the problem...
The Not-So-Good Stuff: 1) The Daredevil mask; it looks like it could be grabbed and pulled right off. All the features are present and correct, except something to attach it to the rest of the costume. What's the point of wearing a mask to protect your identity, when it could come off at any time. It reminds me of the original Captain America cowl. 2) MCD as The Kinpin doesn't look menacing enough or sophisticated enough. I've got nothing against the casting of MCD; I actually thought it was a good choice, but he didn't make go 'Wow'. His ethnicity ain't the problem; it's the way he's been shot. He's not dominating the frame. That's supposed to be The Kingpin. The most frightning crimelord in the Marvel Universe and he looks like an investment banker.
It worries me that this film might not work. This doesn't look like an adaptation of the comic book; it looks like a reinterpretation of the comic book. It doesn't give me the same thrill that I had when I saw the Batman trailer all those years ago, or the feeling of awe I had with the Spiderman teaser. I hope that I'm wrong, in fact I want to be wrong. What can I say; I'm the man with a lot of fear!
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So foolish. I wonder if any of you know that DD's ORIGINAL costume was yellow and black, not the all-red look we have now.
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OK, his costume's cool. Elektra is as white as the come, Kingpin is as black as they come (but Duncan's cool) and Farrell's unibrow overshadows his bullseye, but they changed where DD is FROM!!!!!!! What about the fact that DD is from NYC!!!! From Hell's Kitchen!!! Does that still stand?!?!?!
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or suck, depending. This could be another "The Phantom" or "The Shadow", but lets hope not.
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yeah yeah... I'm aware of the original colors... the yellow and the black... but which do you think is cooler...? a canary crime fighter... or the devil... and from what I hear... no body beats... the devil... Red me...!
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Jun 24, 2002 4:37:58 PM CDT
One quick observation....Trent Reznor's in this teaser and f
by monkey_king
The scene with the moustacheoed punk pointing the gun at DD is none other than NIN frontman Trent"I'm not from Cleveland" Reznor. First there was product placement, now there's people placement in order to sell a soundtrack.
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And he's almost never been drawn that way. The official stats on him is 6'0", 200 lbs. of boxer/gymnast class muscle. Look at most boxers and gymnasts that are that size. Not real wiry and certainly not THIN. Spider-Man is thin and wiry. Look at any comic that has the two side by side. DD is always much bulkier than Spidey. Ben Affleck is probably close to the right build. I still think he would have made a better Bullseye, though.
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How can people tell you to shut up when you give very intelligent reasoning behind your statement, unlike their simple, "Shut up!" Looks like they either never took a debate class, or else do not have any reasoning for disliking what you say.
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i agreed with harry that the trailer is nothing to gaga about. i think duncan will do justice to the character of the kinping. will have to see how the bulleye villain is develop in the movie. we need more info on the movie. is just a start
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The first time...fuckin' cool. The second time....ehhh. The third time....I worry. I'm still a little iffy about this one. I love the character of Daredevil. Believe it or not, I don't have a problem with Ben Affleck playin' Ol' Hornhead. Something about this movie so far has got me thinkin' that I'm gonna be very middle-of-the-road about this pic. Maybe when I see more of it, I'll have more of an opinion. Right now, Daredevil is just going to tide me over until X2, and that's better be good to tide me over until the HULK!
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