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RED DRAGON Trailer in Beautiful Quicktime!

Published at:  Jun 19, 2002 5:23:13 PM CDT

Hey folks, Harry here... Well the trailer is sharp and everything having to do with the Ralph Fiennes character is creepy as living hell. Personally I can not wait to see this sucker. Definitely doesn't look like RUSH HOUR 2 does it? I told y'all Ratner could do more. He's gonna do a great job with this, Ted Tally's script was fantastic... He's got the best cast of any of the Lecter films... Home Run... You'll see.





Hey Harry,


I'm a big fan of Mann's "Manhunter." I really hope "Red Dragon" is as good
as Mann's interpretation of Thomas Harris's novel.


Apple.com has posted the trailer to "Red Dragon."


Click Here To See The Trailer



--Brett

Dallas, TX



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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:32:39 PM CDT

    Hmmm

    by fraggles_rock!

    The jury is still out on this one...

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:33:27 PM CDT

    Edward Norton vs. William Petersen

    by dawgscribe96


    While this looks technically interesting, Edward Norton looks completely out of place as Det. Will Graham. He doesn't have carry that "gravitas" in his face.

    My only hope is that by allowing this remake of "Manhunter/Red Dragon," it will permit someone else to one day come along and remake "Hannibal," which was a truly pathetic interpretation of the novel.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:34:21 PM CDT

    What the hell is that thing on Collin Farrel's forhead?

    by skycrapper

    Sorry had to vent...Red Dragon looks cool though.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:38:16 PM CDT

    Well...

    by darth pixel

    Apple has been good to me. Nothing like a new trailer to put a smile on this Jackal. Cheers, fella's!

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:39:58 PM CDT

    Re: Norton

    by cady

    I do agree that Norton seems miscast. He looks stiff.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:40:04 PM CDT

    red dragon

    by johndoe

    Just saw the trailer for RD and it looks suprisingly good considering that lard ass Brett Ratner directed it. Still have a bad taste in my mouth from Hannibal.

    FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IT IS GOOD! That's Bullseye's costume, my day is ruined.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:40:37 PM CDT

    YEAH, BABY!!!

    by mr.chunky monkey

    This is the best cast, by far! It's got the feeling of Silence and that's good enough for me.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:48:26 PM CDT

    I'm really looking forward to this, regardless of the fact t

    by cash bailey

    I'll see this because I worship the book. Personally I don't give a fuck who plays Lecter. I mean, James Ellroy himself called RED DRAGON the greatest suspense novel ever written. Who'd dare argue with him.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:53:48 PM CDT

    Anyone who has read the book or seen manhunter knows that Lecter

    by edward rooney

    Yet the trailer makes it look as if he is the center of the film. P.S. The scene in the begining of the trailer is identical to manhunter's Gram/Lecter conversation.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:55:40 PM CDT

    f*^@ing ratner

    by johndoe

    Thank you Cash Baily. I'm glad there is someone out there who loathes that bastard as much as I do. If you want to see something that will make your stomach turn just read his bio on IMDB.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 5:58:57 PM CDT

    If Germany attacked France from the rear...

    by leonard shelby

    do you think Greece would help?

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:05:41 PM CDT

    Ridley Scott isn't Jonathan Demme, and Brett Ratner sure as

    by nflrefugee

    The only man hunter in this film is Dino DeLartitus (sp) who is hunting for more money to fill that wallet of his. This film has been done and done better and done to death.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:12:13 PM CDT

    Looks like Ratner doing a Johnathan Demme impersonation.

    by batutta

    I guess if you're going to steal, steal from the best.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:23:40 PM CDT

    I won't bag on the new version

    by damer1

    But I hope there is a scene that reveals as much about the Will Graham character as the scene with Peterson and his son walking down the cereal isle. That's great movie making.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:33:49 PM CDT

    Ratner's IMDB bio.

    by cash bailey

    Sewwt Jesus. Either he wrote that in a fit of coked out sincerity or someone has a real grudge against him. Is posting your salary on your bio just the tackiest thing anyone has ever done in the history of the world, ever?

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:34:03 PM CDT

    Ratner's IMDB bio.

    by cash bailey

    Sweet Jesus! Either he wrote that in a fit of coked out sincerity or someone has a real grudge against him. Is posting your salary on your bio just the tackiest thing anyone has ever done in the history of the world, ever?

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:39:04 PM CDT

    Yes - so awaiting this!

    by tahd

    I agree the original Manhunter MOW doesn't have Lecter in it much, but read the book again. Lecter was the center of the story - or should I say the cornerstone. What a fucking great cast this is, too. I'm hooked.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:41:44 PM CDT

    I have nothing to say...

    by purityofessence

    I have nothing to say...
    Anyone want to argue over LotR and SW...
    LOL

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  • Jun 19, 2002 6:50:19 PM CDT

    Wouldn't you be stiff around someon who would, given the cha

    by wee willie

    I think Norton looked quite convincing.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 7:00:07 PM CDT

    Norton hears a Who - Hopkins is Scary as Poo - Fiennes wants to

    by hubbabubbakid

    Sweet Mary Joseph! I really like Manhunter and I really think that this could be damned good and I really think that Ratner may have pulled something off here and I really think that that tatoo is badass and I really think that it'll be better than Hannibal and I really... I really gotta pee now.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 7:20:27 PM CDT

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    by bathtub

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    as always remove the 'enter's

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  • Jun 19, 2002 7:30:59 PM CDT

    Ratner?

    by sam bones

    Jeeez, where in the hell anyone could get from this trailer that Ratner is going to do something terrific and great is beyond me. I was just forced to watch RUSH HOUR 2 with my nephews on a trip back to the home state. Gawd! What a piece of s#*^! The direction is almost as clunky as ATTACK OF THE CLONES. If RED DRAGON works it will be due to the script and the actors. And Norton looks waaaaaay out of his element in this even without the comparison to Peterson. Has someone been spiking Harry's drinks while he's been hanging out with the Hollywood gang? I just started reading Harry's book and the guy in that would never write what he did about this trailer which is as subtle and nuanced as a terrorist attack. It's all in the editing, not what is going on in the picture (not a good sign). Jump cut scares. Even a HALLOWEEN rip off for music. It's all plastic and created by marketing people.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 7:34:49 PM CDT

    Books vs Movies

    by walnutr113

    Here's the thing: Do you think Hannibal the Movie pales because Hannibal the book seems a little, well, ill conceived? Remember when Red Dragon was written no one knew who Anthony Hopkins was. But Red Dragon is the best of the Lecter Trilogy. But I dont think this movie will top Silence of the Lambs the movie

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  • Jun 19, 2002 7:41:01 PM CDT

    Hang on a second

    by walnutr113

    Wait. I guess I do really love Hannibal the book even if it is ill conceived. Because the actual story is entertaining as hell. Still I wish the movie had had the balls to shoot the books ending. And I wish Foster had returned.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 7:55:04 PM CDT

    Norton even paced his dialogue like Petersen

    by det. john kimble

    Looks like Ratner decided to watch manhunter a few times and then reshoot the script using the 'Silence' set design and atmosphere. Big whoop. This smells like an attempt to have a 'unified' DVD box set of Harris' books - leaving Manhunter to hang out there in the wind as some kind of 'relic' of the '80's. People who complain that it reminds them of Miami Vice should remmber that's what Florida looked like in the '80s. Aaarrrgh. Of course, I'll go see this, just to see how they handle the first Lecter/Graham confrontation - which Mann treated brilliantly by NEVER showing it and leaving up to the viewer to paint the mind canvasses of as Petersen's Graham described the events that led him to capture Lecter. Vicious, evil, scary, and all without having to see a single shot of the actual event. try to ape that Rat.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 8:12:40 PM CDT

    yes, yes, fucking YES!

    by tall_boy

    ok, so they're wrapping the advertising campagin around Dr. Lecter. Big deal. I think Hopkins portrayal is one of the best cinematic baddies out there. And heck, I'd even love more scenes with him Taunting Wil Ghram. But, dangit, the REALY core of the novel is Francis Dolarhyde. And, as I've said before, frankly MANHUNTER took a piss on his character. I hope this flick concentrates more on him. (and, yeah, seeing Lecter being captured at the beginning will just be a cool little extra). Still, yeah, the cast looks great, and even if its directed by brett fucking ratner, you never know, that slick style from RUSH HOUR might work good. MANHUNTER is very cool (you have to be a cool muthafucka to not smile at In the Gada Da Vita), but I don't believe that its RED DRAGON. Lets see then nail it this time.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 8:15:37 PM CDT

    Loved The Book, Loved 'Manhunter'....

    by ericalan69

    ....and am, at the very least, impressed with the cast and screenwriter of this film. I do find it amusing that Ratner went out of his way to say recently that 'Manhunter' is a very loose interpretation of the book, while his version will be very faithful (which, I guess, is good that they made it a period film, 'cause I'd hate to see how they'd have updated the whole film-processing connection in the days of DV and camcorders), and then promptly proceeds to feature a scene directly out of 'Manhunter'- verbatim- in the trailer. You'd think he'd show stuff that wasn't in the original, but I guess he either assumes most people won't have seen Mann's film, or else he has the IQ of a turnip.... Probably both, now that I think about it.... // e.

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  • to kick off your trailer with a word-for-word replay of one of the finest 'manhunter' scenes...well, brett, at least it shows you're confident. and that's good, i guess. but the problem is this - norton looks like a fuckin' schoolboy stacked up against petersen's graham (who expertly combined stability and fragility), hopkins sounds like bette fucking davis when you compare him with cox's cobra-still lecktor (that's the way they spelled in mann's movie, remember) and setting it in the 'SOTL' dungeon is only gonna inspire comparisons to demme's magnificent movie. comparisons i don't think your 'red dragon' can stand up to. your best move here? fiennes. i wouldn't have thought of him for dolarhyde but he looks fucking awesome and the man's talented enough to pull it off, that's for sure. (that said, i would have loved to see sean penn or david morse try it on.) otherwise, i'm not all that hyped by this trailer - the cast is good, but the allure of 'manhunter' remains too strong for me. plus, i'm with cash bailey - something about brett ratner just skeeves me right the fuck out. maybe it's the chris tucker connection, maybe it's the cheesy articles you read about him ("i've got seven cell phones! i've got warren beatty on speed-dial! i'm down with the wu-tang!") but there's something just plain wrong about the man. 'rush hour 2' didn't suck too bad, but that's no reason to hand him 'red dragon', a project that should have gone directly to christopher nolan. i'm tommy five-tone and i'm blathering, but let me just say that i think the bullseye costume is the bomb, yo.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 9:00:48 PM CDT

    Hannibal is the type of sequel that you should just ignore.

    by smeg for brains

    Silence of the Lambs, and Red Dragon/Manhunter are amazing. Hannibal was awful in every way. The main thing is that it ruined the incredible ending of SOTL, where you know that this crazy fuck is out there, but not what he will do next. Hannibal just shows that what he does next is stupid, and boring. I personally think that Thomas Harris was sick of the pressure being put on him to make a sequel to something that didn't need one, and tried to sabotage the inevitable film by making the book totally overboard, which also made it crappy. It backfired though, and they just changed the book for the movie, and made a crappy movie that the brainless people in America ate up. At least the source of this Red Dragon film is a great book, and an already amazing film version. P.S. Brian Cox is so much better than Hopkins (who is amazing in his own right in SOTL). Cox is not only creepy (in a different way mind you), but he just plain looks like he could physically beat you down and eat your face, where as with Hopkins you just have to trust that he is the animal they say. Cox also showed that ability to change character (like when he talked to the operator on the phone) which makes you believe that he could make you think he was normal, where as Hopkins was always in weirdo mode.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 10:27:03 PM CDT

    Looking good...

    by hootdad

    I enjoyed Hannibal - both book and movie. I enjoyed the book more, of course, especially the ending which was *way* cooler that the watered-down movie version. Oh well. Anyway - SotL was a better book and movie, and Red Dragon is a better book than Hannibal but - say what you will - I thought Manhunter did not live up to the book. A good movie, yes, but not up to the standard of the book. This looks like it might be closer. I hope so. Looks good.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 10:32:16 PM CDT

    Who Hannibal Lecter was, and what he has become.

    by graham_minnesota

    One of the reasons that I believe "Silence of the Lambs" was so successful (as well as "Manhunter" to some extent), is because it presented one of the main characters (i.e. Hannibal Lecter) as a well educated, rather intelligent, and very formal homicidal socio-path. It showed him as a man who if given the opportunity, would mutilate and murder anyone (man woman or child) without sympathy or remorse. That is what made his character so disturbing. The viewer could put themselves in the victim's postion and say to themselves: "No matter how great of a person I may believe I am, ultimatley it would not matter, because I would be ripped apart by Hannibal just as easily as anyone else. And all the crying and pleading in the world would not make any difference." He was more than a cultural charicature. And this is precisley why the "Red Dragon" was such a great book, as well as the film "Manhunnter". Yes, I really liked the original for the time that it was made. I remember watching the "uncut" version on "Showtime" and being truly taken aback by that movie. But that changed significantly with Hannibal (both the book and the film.) Hannibal Lecter was no longer a man who killed because he was a ruthless and sadistic person, but because the people in the world that he killed deserved to die. This was made apparent when Barney exclaimed: "Given the opportunity, Lecter preferred to kill the rude. The free range rude." And in Hannibal, all of his victims, to some extent, where portrayed in such a way where the audience could claim a certain level of moral superiority to Hannibal's victims. Hannibal was no longer frightening, because the viewer could not identify with the victims. It was just easier to say: "Hey, they were assholes, they deserved to die. No big deal." In this respect, as violent as Hannibal Lecter was, the audience no longer feared him. Which turned not only Hannibal into a silly buffoon, but Hopkins as well. Anthony Hopkins was excellent in "Silence of the Lambs." And I would never trade him in that film for Brian Cox. But Brian Cox is far superior to Hopkins in Mann's version of "Manhunter" than Hopkins is in Ratner's version. And no, I have not seen the film yet, but I have seen enough films with very good acting to know when I am witnessing a hackneyed and hammy approach to piss poor directing. I do however believe that Ralph Finnes was an excellent choice in casting (as well as Philip Seymour Hoffman. I am not quite sure what to make of Emily Watson though.) But I am sure that it will not be enough to save a film that features Anthony Hopkins in the same mason and concrete confies while wearing the same jumpsuit as he did in "Silence of the Lambs." I really liked Edward Norton in the "Fight Club", because he was perfectly cast against his ID (i.e. Brad Pitt.) But here, he looks like and aging androgynous child pretending to be an adult. It does not matter how many times this film is remade or what one may believe about "Manhunter." There will always be that one scene where Lecter (Brian Cox) illustrates his relationship to Graham, how he was caught, and the potential for the monster that lives in every human being when he exclaims to a departing Graham: "Smell yourself!" Letting him know that he caught him because he allowed himself to become just as horrible of a person as Hannibal is. This was made even more pronounced when Graham is in conversation with his son explaining his fomer mental illness. He states; "The thoughts that I had about you and your mother were some of the worst thoughts in the world."

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  • Jun 19, 2002 10:43:55 PM CDT

    Uninformed...

    by dru

    I've never read 'Red Dragon,' nor seen 'Manhunter.' But boy did this trailer make me sit up + shiver. Ed Norton does not look miscast (though that haircut- oye!) Let's face it- after ass-kicking roles like 'Fight Club' + 'American History X,' it's kinda hard to see Norton play a pussy. + hey, who can blame Hollywood for making Lecter the centre of the trailer? That's the best way to hype this movie- the prequel to SofL. Yeah, yeah, so Scott (or whoever is responsible for that abortion of a screenplay for 'Hannibal') completely destroyed the novel (which I though was really good.) This is their golden opportunity to win people back. I am so up for this movie; hell, I'm gonna get 'Manhunter' + the book in the meantime to tide me over. 1 more thing: STOP PICKING ON RATNER. He's no fucking genius, but he can do this. Out.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 10:47:33 PM CDT

    1 more thing...

    by dru

    Danny Elfman rocks my sad little world! Yeah, the Spiderman score was recycled swill. But no one can put people on edge the way the Elf-man can. Bring it lad. Out.

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  • Jun 19, 2002 11:14:32 PM CDT

    Mann's Manhunter--I don't get it

    by anti-fanboy

    Saw part of it when it first came out--it couldn't hold my interest.
    Then I started reading all this crap about Cox being a better Hannibal than Hopkins, so I rented it on DVD. Mann's directorial skills (I'm a big fan of Mohicans and Heat) are virtually non-existent in this movie. The cinematography and action choreography are some of the worst I've ever seen. The acting is uninspired and flat--including Cox's performance...and so's the script. It's all fairly amateurish--like your typical 80's straight-to-video B-movie...well, not quite THAT bad.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 12:15:00 AM CDT

    Manhunter blew

    by private ryan

    Michael Mann is an awesome director- loved Insider, Heat was cool- but Manhunter was terrible, cheesy, eighties garbage. William Petersen, to put it lightly, sucked a thousand balls as Will Graham. The whole movie was ridiculous- we see Graham figuring out who the murderer is, running to get on a plane, flying to another state, landing, driving to his house, all at the same time as the murderer is in a room threatening Joan Allen. Now was this supposed to be going on for as long as it took? He is about to kill her, and Graham gets there just in time- so he is on the verge of killing her for, six- ten hours? Hmmm. And Brian Cox as Lecter...well, he sure was...British. Not scary or menacing, but he seemed smart and stuck up. Then we hear all these horrible things about him, and that is supposed to make him scary? No, not happening. Tom Noonan as the killer is absolutley great, but Ralph Finess aint a shabby replacement. Every other performance is guaranteed to be better. As for Hannibal...I know this is not a popular opinion, but I liked that one. It was silly, sure, but tons of fun. Lecter on the loose, in love with Clarice...it was a very well made B movie with great performances. A good time, while Manhunter was just boring. Hopefully Ratner can do justice to Tally's apparently wonderful script. The cast will do fine, no doubt.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 3:58:36 AM CDT

    Clarice, fetch me my Maalox, will you?

    by brashhulk

    So how old is Sir Anthony these days? He's looking about 70 or so. Oh yes, he's scary.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 4:47:40 AM CDT

    Manhunter

    by reni

    If Jesus had seen Silence of the Lambs he would've been mad. If Jesus had seen Hannibal he would've been very mad indeed. Jesus would've thrown bottles at Hannibal.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 5:33:14 AM CDT

    somebody kick lector's ass...

    by audio vandal

    please....just somebody..it might just allow hopkins to stop playing this character as a complete parody of his original performance...how many more lector movies we gonna get..please t.harris , dont write anymore..unless you want to kill the unscary motherfucker off by getting John Doe from Seven to give him a heart attack by shouting 'boo ' in his ear. Red dragon is a great read, but will graham is a fuck up in it who is trying to live a normal life, Norton looks like he is having a bit of a chat when he is interviewing lector..where is the fear !!!!?? please make this a worthy version of a cool book...

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  • Jun 20, 2002 9:52:46 AM CDT

    "He is Ralph Finne-ing his methods... he is evolving"

    by coatsy uk

    Sorry that was almost as bad as the "don't make me Ang Lee, you wouldn't like me when i'm Ang Lee" joke

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  • Jun 20, 2002 10:39:08 AM CDT

    God, Hopkins is fat

    by osmosis jones

    How can they justify this as a "prequel" (I hate that word) to SOTL when Hopkins weighs about 50 pounds more here than he did in that film? Did he go on a crash diet while in the slammer, so he'd look good for Jodie Foster? Aside from Danny Elfman's score (Elfman doing a serial killer movie, can you imagine it?), this movie has no reason to exist.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 11:04:31 AM CDT

    This looks a competently made, though average, thriller a la "Ki

    by johnnytremaine

    How could it not be at least competent? With a top-notch cast such as this,a good DP, and a script from Oscar winner Ted Tally, the super-market stock boy would have done a good job directing this movie. By the way, Mr. Ratner should fire his publicist or think before he speaks: wherever he's interviewed all get from him is one whopper after whopper.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 11:04:57 AM CDT

    Oh my god, what complete and utter CRAP!

    by kdraines

    I absolutely cannot believe this! I've never seen two such wonderful actors so completely aware of their acting before. For those of you who saw Manhunter, you'll know what I'm talking about. The identical scene in Manhunter that is shown in the trailer just blows Red Dragon away! What the hell were these people thinking? Hopkins is even hammier and more self-aware in this movie than he was in Hannibal. And Norton is a babyface, innocent-as-pie Will Graham. I'm absolutely astonished.

    After this movie, I will be astounded if people still hold to their amateurish belief that Anthony Hopkins is a better Lecter than Brian Cox.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 11:12:04 AM CDT

    Can we say, "rushed to production"?

    by the_pissboy1

    Um, I saw this before and even the trailer for the original was better. Ratner, Norton and the rest of the hacks should be ashamed. Remaking a 15 year old American movie is pretty sad. I can almost understand doing remakes of foreign films (so many illiterate Americans), but a remake of an American film that was near perfect (and Mann's best work)? Regardless of Norton's talents, he's not nearly as engaging as Peterson was in Manhunter. I wish this would fail but it won't. Nope, it'll drag in 100 million and people will call it a blockbuster. Lame.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 11:50:34 AM CDT

    Using the same set from "Silence" is only inviting comparisons t

    by ralph cifaretto

    I might have preffered a *new* cage for Hannibal. A cage w/o glass, maybe. Perhaps they moved Lecter down to the basement after he savaged the nurse? Why invite such direct comparisons to a famous, classic Oscar winning film (4 Oscars). Cheap & unimaginitve, like the rest of the film, I suspect.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 2:32:55 PM CDT

    ratner

    by johndoe

    OK we should stop picking on him. He did Money Talks after all, what a masterpiece.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 3:07:06 PM CDT

    Dante Spinotti Doing Both

    by vodkaoverlord

    Has anyone else noticed that Dante Spinotti is doing the Cinematography for Red Dragon.
    For those that don't know Dante Spinotti did the cinematography for Mann in Manhunter as well as Heat and The Insider. He also did L.A. Confidential and Raimi's The Quick and the Dead. One of the best Cinematographers out there in my opinion. Pretty lame though how Ratner is all about making Red Dragon different from Manhunter but then goes out and gets the same Cinematographer. Maybe Dino De Laurentiis had something to do with it... what a jerkneck.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 3:46:53 PM CDT

    Notes on Red Dragon and trailer, plus I loved Hannibal!

    by el backo

    Red Dragon has a great look, but this is probably due more to having Dante Spinotti as DoP rather than having Ratner as the director. Also, although I think he's a terrific actor, Norton IS miscast. He doesn't have the intense look that Graham should have. This is a guy who can put himself in the killer's frame of mind, and who almost went insane doing it. It doesn't look like they did too much to make Hopkins look younger. I expected them to add more hair and make it look darker. And, as a final word, I LOVED Hannibal. I understand why people hated it, but, oh well.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 5:05:02 PM CDT

    Why?

    by mascan

    Can anyone tell me why this film is even being made? The only reason I can see is to put Hopkins in all three stories, and that's no reason at all, unless Lecter's role has been pumped up from the original (where it was a glorified cameo). At least this time the filmmakers will spell Lecter's name right (LECKTOR?).

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  • Jun 20, 2002 5:41:59 PM CDT

    I can't wait til October

    by nyc

    This looks like it's going to be a spooky film-perfect for around Halloween. Give Norton a chance, he's immune to bad performances. I think he can pull this off. I am dying to see Mary-Louise Parker too. Every movie needs one of her. She deserves to be a star in every right.

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  • Jun 20, 2002 5:57:31 PM CDT

    Remakes Suck!

    by gg

    Especially when remaking a great film.

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  • Really, dumbass. Actually he is Scottish. And Anthony Hopkins is also "British". He is from Wales. From the Valleys. Some people really are just that SMART. Red Dragon can't be any worse than that POS Manhunter. What a total crap movie that was. Michael Mann's only good film is Heat.

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  • Jun 21, 2002 10:19:20 PM CDT

    Ratner is talking out his ass

    by woolver

    Having just read his interview in entertainment weekly and his comment that MANHUNTER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RED DRAGON BOOK BUT MY MOVIE IS THE TRUE VERSION,makes me sick.I also just saw the new trailer by the way, and wondered why that first scene with lecktor and graham talking look familiar, oh I know, I saw that exact scene in MANHUNTER, the film that doesnt have anything to do with the book. The only reason you got this directing gig on this movie is because those 2 rush hour movies made a shitload of money. Do you really think you can do a better job than Michael Mann. You have made 4 movies total, 3 of them starred CHRIS my voice is so fucking annoying TUCKER and 2 of the 4 are sequels. What a wealth of directing challenges. Yes I will agree that your version will have bigger stars and a bigger budget, but your version will always be considered a REMAKE because MANHUNTER came out first.

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  • Jun 22, 2002 6:52:35 PM CDT

    Red Dragon: One of the best trailers ever

    by xlogik909

    Ok, yes I am a big ol huge fan of Thomas Harris. I saw Manhunter and SOTL to many times to count. I was amazed yet befuddled by Hannibal the book and hated the movie. I check every week on Red Dragon news and is my most anticipated film next to One Hour Photo and LOTR TTT. That said...

    This is by far the best damn trailer Ive seen in years.
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    "Heeee isss EEE-VOLVING!"
    holy shit! this trailer is geuinely frightening. This goes back to what ya wished Hannibal the book or movie was, that primal feeling SOTL had. This insanely great ensomble cast, ted tally script...the only wild card is ratner who i know we all laughed at when he was announced for the helmer. But damn if that aint the coolest trailer in years! I just hope they have more great lines like 'dream much, wil?' and the brooklyn museum scene missing from manhunter.

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  • Jun 22, 2002 8:31:07 PM CDT

    Huh?

    by the feral kid

    I always saw Graham as a nervy kind of person. There is a sort of shy quality we get about Graham out of this trailer but it just looks like Norton playing Norton, nothing special, nothing at all. But whatever, we'll see...

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  • Jun 22, 2002 11:35:52 PM CDT

    How can you call Edward Norton Miscast?

    by j rex

    I've come to realize that miscast almost always means that person in the role is a bad actor. If you are a graet actor like Ed Norton than how the hell can you be miscast? Unless he was supposed to be Clarice Starling or Barney, how is he miscast. I especially think that is a premature thing at the very least until you see the movie. I mean alot of you guys buy Keanuuu Reeves or whatever his freakinig name is as a brilliant scientist, or top-notch lawyer, or surfin FBI agent...

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  • Jun 23, 2002 8:09:07 AM CDT

    RED DRAGON

    by underchin

    I just watched Mann's Manhunter on DVD and I thought the movie was great. I think by releasing RED DRAGON there more movie goers who will watch this original version by Mann for comparison.

    For those of you who think that Norton may be out of place in the lead check out primal fear where he plays an alter boy but turns out to be the meanest SOB ever. So don't sell him out yet until we see the movie.

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  • Jun 24, 2002 1:00:43 PM CDT

    Red Dragon will Rock

    by fiennesgirl

    For those of you judging this film just by the trailer or Bret Rattner, go read the book.

    The movie will center on Ralph Fiennes'character. Since I personally feel that Ralph Fiennes is the best actor on the planet...(a bit biased), he will be the ultimate Dolarhyde. As you can see from the trailer, he's got the build, the teeth, and he's ready to bring it on.

    Lecter's part in this film is small, but of course they had to put it in the forefront to get that repeat audience. Hellloooo..it is a franchise after all.

    Who cares what Lecter looks like. You'll realize when you get there that it just doesn't matter.

    Ratner claims he wanted to make this film like Silence of the Lambs, more suspense, less gore. So, if it has that look and feel, that was what he was going for anyway. Demme should be pleased with the flattery.

    Since the script is rumored and reported to be very close to the book (Manhunter's biggest drawback), we will be given something we have never been given before in a Lecter film, the WHY!!! Hannibal the movie was a disgrace because it a. failed to reveal why Lecter is a cannibal (the most important thing in the book in my opinion), and b. failed to realize the outcome of Clarice/Lecter's relationship. C'mon, I don't believe people are confused that they ended up loves...duhhhh.

    Anyways, Red Dragon will show in some kind of flashback format (that I think Ratner may have ripped off from Cronenberg's upcoming movie Spider, also with Fiennes) for us to see just why Dolarhyde (the killer) is screwed up.

    You just can't indiscriminately hate this guy..just like Lecter. Leave it to Ralph Fiennes..he will show you the very meaning of internal conflict and the dark side. Just watch his performance as Amon Goeth in Schindler's List to see it in action.

    Someone said they didn't know if Emily Watson was a good choice. She's an excellent choice..she can play vulnerable, and she can play vixen. She'll be perfect.

    I'll admit I almost cried when I saw who was directing this, and was surprised Fiennes agreed to work with him. However, with the chance to work with great actors like Noron, Keitel, Hoffman, Watson, and be part of a major cultural movie experience...he couldn't pass. The script has to be awesome. Let's just hope Ratner doesn't screw it up.

    Praying on that one and can't wait til October 4.

    Mary K.

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  • Jun 25, 2002 6:16:38 AM CDT

    How can this flick fail to excite?

    by gilbertson

    How on earth can Red Dragon fail to be good? It's got Hopkins returning as Lecter, a fantastic cast that includes Ed Norton, Ralph Fiennes (can't bloody well wait to see his Francis Dollarhyde), Harvey Keitel and Philip Seymour Hoffman.
    Not only that, Ted Tally, screenwriter of The Silence of the Lambs, has returned to the Lecter franchise. He's a pro, and so is Thomas Harris, or at least he was when he wrote Red Dragon.
    What more do you want? For Manhunter fans (why is there so much mythology and false nostalgia about that movie these days, good though it was?), the superb Dante Spinotti is returning as Director of Photography. For Silence of the Lambs nuts, that film's Production Designer Kristi Zea has been lured back to put Hopkins' cell back together. And for those of us who had a soft spot for Hannibal, well, er, Ridley Scott's an Executive Producer on this one.
    I know that an impressive array of talent, behind and infront of the camera, is never really a surefire guarantee of quality: some of the worst stinkers of all time had amazing lineups.
    But why do so many of you seem to think Red Dragon will blow?
    And finally, what the heck is wrong with Brett Ratner. The guy's career's only just started, why this animosity. Okay, he may not be the most pleasant guy on earth (or he may be, I've never met the guy), but what does that matter? The Rush Hour movies were great, didn't see The Family Man, but until he builds up a track record proving him to be a Michael Winner for the 21st century, leave the poor fella alone. You think you can dissect him with this blunt little tool?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    I can't wait for Red Dragon.

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  • Jun 25, 2002 6:23:47 AM CDT

    Still, in a perfect world....

    by gilbertson

    ....they'd've cast Russell Crowe as Will Graham.

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