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Last Night's ATAS BUFFY Event!!

I am – Hercules!!

Activity over the hellmouth! The post-Warren Willow! How much we’ll be seeing of Giles! Dawn stands taller still! Doublemeat Palace scares sponsors! The size of Marsters’ sock! A yellow crayon makes a cast member cry! And what series creator Joss Whedon means when he refers to “Buffy the Vampire Slayer’s” seventh season as “Buffy: Year One.”

(Alyson Hannigan’s “No Emmys ever” line emerges out of the fact that the the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences (ATAS) is comprised of the folks who vote for the Emmys.)

A correspondant we will call “Richard” (until he tells us differently):

I had the pleasure of attending “Behind the Scenes of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER” at the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences earlier tonight, where Joss Whedon, Marti Noxon, Alyson Hannigan, Nicholas Brendon, James Marsters, Michelle Trachtenberg, Cary Meyer and Raymond Stella spoke about the best series on television.

The big scoop is that next season will begin with the re- opening of Sunnydale High. Other news about season seven was that Joss has promised Michelle that Dawn will, occasionally, be allowed to wear heels and black; there will be repercussions from Willow’s killing Warren but she won’t be weepy and plagued with guilt all season, and that the theme of the season will be a restatement of the theme from the first season – the joys of female empowerment.

And Joss says he hopes to be able to use Anthony Stewart Head more next season.

There was a lot of talk about “Once More With Feeling.” Joss said he first got the idea when members of the cast came to his house to read a play, and they all got a bit drunk, - and at that point there were jokes about Marti’s pregnancy – but what really happened was people got drunk and started singing, and Joss realized he had the talent to do a musical episode.

Nicholas said that he wasn’t nervous about the musical because he’d never sung or danced before, so he figured whatever he did would be better than the nothing he’d done before. That didn’t really make a lot of sense, but it seemed to make sense to Nick. A lot of what Nick said tonight didn’t make a lot of sense, but he was having a great time, and it was enjoyable. Michelle apologized to everyone for not giving Nick his meds, and Alyson said to him, “Can you say, ‘No Emmys, ever’?” And Nick said, “No Emmys, ever.” And Joss put his hands over his head.

Joss and Marti were asked if they felt the sixth season was maybe a little too dark. At first Joss joked that this was the first time he’d heard that, - but then he said, “oops.” They acknowledged it had been very dark, but that it was the result of dealing with Buffy’s coming back from heaven, and the unhealthy relationship with Spike, and the death of Tara.”

Everyone complemented Alyson on how well she’d reacted when Tara died, but she said a lot of it was that she was tired of doing take after take after take. They were having trouble finding a way of splashing blood just right on her shirt. And they only had two shirts, and they kept having to wash the blood out, and putting the shirt back on her before it was fully dry. It was hard.

But also everyone was sad about the story, and they all spoke of how much they loved Amber, particularly Michelle.

They acknowledged that there’d been lots of sex this season, and James said he was tired of having to wear a sock to cover himself up in the nude scenes. There was a lot of joking about what size sock he needed.

Joss said they had all the sex with Spike because they’d explored romantic passion with Angel in season two, and they wanted to do something different and explore sexual passion in season six.

The moderator asked Joss if there was a chance of Angel making a guest appearance on “Buffy,” and James interrupted with a firm “No.”

Notwithstanding all the sex and misery, Joss said the only thing this season that had caused any problems with the sponsors was the Double-Meat Palace episode. Some sponsors pulled out because they didn’t like the show making fun of fast food restaurants.

There was some concern about the time Joss will need to spend on “Firefly,” and apparently he is taking some of the “Buffy” crew with him. Marti even referred to Joss “wouldn’t be leaving the show unless he was comfortable they could carry on without him,” – which seemed an odd thing for her to say because Joss had made it clear he’s not leaving.

Everyone spoke very highly of Carey Meyer’s work as a Production Designer and especially of Raymond Stella’s work as Director of Photographer. Alyson was particularly impressed that Stella had only been cranky twice last season.

And, of course, everyone praised Joss and Marti for the writing. James said that on most shows people would get bored, but no one was ever bored on Buffy. Often they were terrified of what Joss would spring on them next. Joss quoted James as saying that if they weren’t terrified at least once every season, Joss wasn’t doing his job. And Michelle said that she didn’t mind that this season was so downbeat, because everyone has times like that in their lives, and that made the show real. And Nicholas talked about how the first draft of the final script didn’t have the lines about the yellow crayon, but the second draft did, and when Nick read it, it brought tears to his eyes, and that was what the season was about to him, Willow’s yellow crayon.

Those were the highlights for me.





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  • June 19, 2002, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Joss....god

    by Andy Dufresne

    Yes, Firefly will rule. Buffy will continue to kick arse (yes I'm british) and Angel will show its colours as a show in its own right. Joss Whedon is the best thing in television since Gene Roddenberry.

  • June 19, 2002, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Yellow Crayon?

    by Led Gopher

    I have been a fan of the show for a long time now, but I don't remember any special crayons. Did I miss something here?

  • June 19, 2002, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Led

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    Wasn't the yellow crayon featured in Xander's plea for Willow to NOT destroy the earth?

  • June 19, 2002, 10:36 a.m. CST

    This was unexpectantly informative....

    by Zap Kapow

    Romantic passion in season 2 followed by sexual passion in season 6, eh? I've noticed some parallels between the two seasons, scooby deaths and the like.... now I see that they were because Joss is exploring the growing up process, and developing, not repeating, basic themes. Very clever, as drama can be exploratory but also reassuring at the same time. Well, I've gone on a bit now and tried to be intelligent, so I guess I'll leave it there. I'll bet no one even bothers to comment.

  • June 19, 2002, 10:47 a.m. CST

    last night

    by AshFett

    Just wanted to say that I was at this presentation last night and it was great. I have to say I disagree on some of what the writer of this article said though. I found Nick Brendon to be hysterical. He just was very Xander, with the quick wit and sarcasm. Michelle was extremely intelligent and I liked when they joked about all of the fans being so sick of Dawn's complaining all season. Michelle said she certainly wants to see Dawn grow and become a stronger character and that she would love to not see "anymore Kill Dawn emails." As for Marti's comment, I thought it was clear: She said that IF Joss ever fully left the show, he wouldn't do so unless he felt comfortable with the people he was leaving it with (cue some "Kill Marti" responses I'm sure). Also have to note that Marti, Joss, Nick, Michelle and Alyson all went an extra step for the fans and stuck around for quite some time after they spoke for everyone approaching the stage to talk to them/get autographs, even though they were under no obligation to do any signings (no, James didn't stay, but he seemed incredibly appreciative of the show and the fans while speaking, so I would assume he simply had to be elsewhere).

  • June 19, 2002, 10:55 a.m. CST

    good article

    by PriestYoungblood

    Interesting stuff, and sounds like next season will be promising. On a side note, I bought the season 2 DVD set, and after watching eps 1-4 last night like the junkie I am, you can really see that a)CHRIST the picture sucked back then, and b)CHRIST this past season was a downer. I mean it was depressing and, in my opinion, pretty inferior to those episodes. I realize that life is about change and the highs and lows blah blah blah, but this is a TV show and all the reasons I loved it can be found in earlier episodes. I found few of those reasons in season 6. So I'm excited for a change of pace this fall. Priest says bless you, Joss.

  • June 19, 2002, 10:57 a.m. CST

    So you lose sponsors by mocking fast food?

    by Chilli Kramer

    Man, evverybody knows fast food is bad for you and the staff are underpaid. But they still buy it in massive quantities... Good of Joss and co to do this, And Nick Brendon sounded like he was making sense in a jokey sorta way to me for one.

  • June 19, 2002, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Yellow crayon and random thoughts

    by burningbabyfish

    The line was about Xander and Willow being together in kindergarten and Willow broke the yellow crayon and was crying because she was scared. "I love crayon breaky Willow and scary veiny Willow," he said up on the hill. So the reopening of Sunnydale High, huh? Anybody else seeing visions of Dawn going there instead and we're paving the way for Dawn the Vampire Slayer? *twitch* If not DtVS, at least her spinoff? Joss has acknowledged that's in the works, I believe. Nice article, btw. Good informative stuff. Though I've wanted to slap Dawn, I've admired Michelle Trachtenburg. In season five we saw some of her range of acting - thinking The Body and The Gift in particular - so I know she can do better. But like NB, I don't think she was given any good writing to work with in Season 6.

  • June 19, 2002, 11:28 a.m. CST

    One Thing I Forgot

    by R_Nathan

    Hi. I'm the one who wrote the article. One thing I forgot to mention - the moderator asked Joss about the ending of Season Six, with Spike. She said, "I thought Spike wanted the chip taken out," and Joss said, "No - that's what you were misled to believe. It's called a plot twist." And then either Joss or Nicholas joked about Joss getting a royalty whenever anyone else used a plot twist. But the point Joss seemed to be making, unless I misunderstood, was that Spike did go to Africa with the intention of getting his soul back. Which surprised me. I didn't think Spike was acting like someone who wanted his soul back. Another point - I certainly didn't mean to be disrespectful of Nicholas Brendon. I'm a huge fan; I think he's great. But I had a hard time understanding a lot of what he was saying, and Michelle Trachtenberg seemed to feel the same way. - And one final thing; it was great to see how friendly Nicholas and Alyson were; they kept reaching over and poking and petting each other - not remotely in a sexual way, but in a very friendly way.

  • June 19, 2002, 11:32 a.m. CST

    And no one thought to ask

    by 93curr

    if season seven was going to be the last? Cause of what Xander said in Australia and, what?, was nothing confirmed? And this seems like something that someone should have asked, 'cause if next year's it, I'm gonna have to have my medication altered.

  • June 19, 2002, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Spike's soul/chip

    by jonpaul13

    Spike did not go looking for his soul to be restored. He went looking for relief from the torment that he was going through. Consciously, he believed that meant he wanted the chip out so he could go back to his old evil self. But...listen closely to everything he says to the ugly genie thing. Although he mentions the chip once, he never asks for it to be taken out. He says things like, "Now give me what I want" and other variations that don't specifically tell the creature what to do. Remember, "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it." The creature gave him what he really wanted, a way to love Buffy that she might be able to accept. But will she?

  • June 19, 2002, 11:56 a.m. CST

    93curr, isn't season 7 supposed to be the last....

    by Zap Kapow

    because Sarah Michelle Gellar has only signed 'till then? Because of her movie career. Frankly, if Scooby Doo can do well then she's got a movie career sewn up - in the eyes of movie executives.

  • June 19, 2002, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I'm not one to say I told you so but...

    by buffyluvr2k2

    I told you so. When all you people thought Spike went to Africa to get his chip out in the season finale, I said it was because he WANTED his soul back. To the about three people who agreed with me, you are smart. Continue to watch intelligently. To everyone else, you should try to really listen to what the characters are saying and why they are saying it and not just look at the pretty pictures. Maybe you should practice on some other shows and then try again with Buffy. I think VIP could use some more fans. (Sorry. I'll stop being an asshole now, but someone owes my ass a shitload of hotpockets. I forget who it was but you know who you are).

  • June 19, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Season 7 wont be the last...

    by LordWeymont

    There is no way UPN will allow Buffy to air only 2 seasons. UPN paid hella lot for the move of Buffy and won't stand on the sidelines after only 2 seasons. I am sure UPN will offer SMG a dope paycheck and she won't turn it down. The writers are very strong on the show and hell, we know everyone will keep watching. I will put my $5 that the show will last at least 2 more seasons.

  • June 19, 2002, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Ah, but LordWeymount

    by Zap Kapow

    They might have rights to Buffy spin offs in future, like the cartoon and so on. Whatever, Gellar's definitely leaving, money being better in film than in TV, and film is less time consuming too.

  • June 19, 2002, 12:22 p.m. CST

    So...how long was the damn sock??

    by Lauryn2000

    I mean..c'mon...I can't believe no one(female)asked Mr.James this simple question that inquiring(female) minds would have liked to known???

  • June 19, 2002, 12:32 p.m. CST

    SDRAWKCAB

    by Eternia Lad

    I wondered how many people caught this last night... They were all sitting there talking about how Joss plays with communication, be it silence in Hush... or Music in Once More... and james Marsters threw out a side comment about what we were going to do next... Speak backwards?!?!? Well This is direct accordance with what we have been reading on here. In other words folks... Theres going to be a backwards episode that will be the big crux of this season. It's what all the cool kids will be talking about! hehehhe Also, Alot of you are commenting on why people weren't asking certain questions. Honestly we werent given opportunity to. However after the panel we could go up to the cast and crew and talk frankly. So someone out there might have asked them... they need to TALK!! "I Have the Power"

  • June 19, 2002, 12:50 p.m. CST

    ??

    by Kcir

    quote "Yes, Firefly will rule. Buffy will continue to kick arse (yes I'm british) and Angel will show its colours as a show in its own right. Joss Whedon is the best thing in television since Gene Roddenberry." As Norman Lear's eyes roll back in his head.

  • June 19, 2002, 1:02 p.m. CST

    seasons

    by JackDonkey

    Maybe in order to continue the show past sarahs contract they could get a look-a-like to play Buffy's cousin Alexis, also the reason Buffy wasn't in sunnydale could be that she was using her slayer skills to muscle the car around the track in the NASCAR circuit, yeeeehaaaagh long live the dukes of hazard.

  • June 19, 2002, 1:18 p.m. CST

    More Info From The ATAS Event!

    by DefyThis

    Here's a bit more of what was said, from another board, so give credit to Jillandr. *** Joss on Spike in season 7: 'Spike will not become Angel. Angel is Angel. That's been done. Spike will become... something that he's never been before and something that James has never played before. *** Apparently James did stick around a bit, since this poster managed to snag his autograph. *** The lines earlier in the season about guns being bad (i.e. "Flooded", in the bank robbery scene) were planned specifically in reference to Tara's death, they knew it would be a shooting death from the very start. *** James comment about talking backwards - he made this comment once before, it was posted on Comics Continuim I think, maybe he's dropping hints? *** Joss really noticed how much ASH brought to the show, and how much it missed him, once he saw his return and the positive reaction to it. Also, Michelle campaigned pretty hard it seems for less whining and more adult clothes. Good for her. And go here: http://www.slipstreambbs.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/002657.html - for the full story of what I'm recapping.

  • June 19, 2002, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I'm telling you!

    by Gudlyf

    The "reopening" of Sunnydale is because of Spike "returning to his former self" and Buffy heading after him, hence the going back in time theory.

  • June 19, 2002, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Great article!

    by Sabreman

    A meaty bunch of stuff to read through, makes a nice change from snippets here and there. I guess Dawn will end up going to Sunnydale High then? If this is the last season and there's a definite 'no' on Angel crossovers I suppose we can kiss goodbye to the apocalyptic finale foretold in all those old manuscripts. Shame, I always had this grand vision of Buffy and Angel running alongside each other, then coming together for an amazing finale that tied up all the loose ends and finished both series with a bang and on a high.

  • June 19, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by Sabreman

    I always believed that Spike went to Africa specifically to get his soul back. Buffy told him she can never love him because he didn't have a soul. When he spoke to the demon, he deliberately never mentioned the chip - which may have been to throw the audience off. Giving the Slayer what she deserves, in Spike's mind, is someone she can love, someone with a soul. The only puzzling part of it is that he is made a vampire with a soul, rather than a human. As many have pointed out, he was never a vampire with a soul, so simply restoring his soul is not making him what he once was. I can live with that though, as a human Spike would be a seriously duff character for the new season. If he's going to regain his humanity, let it be in the finale.

  • June 19, 2002, 1:57 p.m. CST

    I'm with the "he wanted the chip out" group.

    by WizardX

    He was too angry in talking with the demon. I believe that he consciously wanted the chip out, that the wish for a soul was subconscious at best. And beyond that, given what a vampire IS - a demon inhabiting a soulless body - I'm not sure it's actually possible for a vampire to WANT his soul back, no matter the situation. Or, to put it another way, if he was truly wishing for his soul back, he probably already had it.

  • June 19, 2002, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Did Spike Want His Soul Back?

    by Voice O. Reason

    Here's the biggest piece of evidence to consider: Why would Spike be trying to get the chip out "to give Buffy what she deserves", if Spike wanted to hurt her? He can hurt her WITH the chip! No offense to our less observant readers, but I saw this "plot twist" coming a mile away. Don't everyobdy thank me at once for clearing this up, okay?

  • June 19, 2002, 4:05 p.m. CST

    "Give the bitch what she deserves"

    by mflem920

    It's apparent to me that no one here has ever been in a self-destructive love-hate relationship. "Bitch" and "Slayer" ARE meant to be derogatory, but it doesn't mean he doesn't love Buffy. For example if your woman, who is currently being a pain in the ass, wants a new car...badly, and you say to the dealer, "Give me what I want, that bitch is going to get what she deserves." It doesn't mean you have serious intentions of running her over. It just means you're pissed off that you've been forced into this situation because you're "love's bitch", which we all know Spike is. He went to Africa to get his soul back, with the full conscious intention of getting his soul back. The dialog was intentionally vagued up to provide greater suspense to the viewer, NOT because he hadn't decided or wanted something different to happen. Besides, you have to imagine that soul restoration is a pretty specific field of expertise...so why would he go to something capable of it unless he wanted it to happen? Why didn't he just go LA and find a neurosurgeon? The chip can't be THAT tough to take out with some skilled instrumentation. And also, whoever said it before was right, if Spike really wanted to hurt Buffy...he could have done that already.

  • June 19, 2002, 4:26 p.m. CST

    What was said

    by warlock411

    Green eyed Deamon " You have endured the required trials" ...... Spike " Bloody right I have, So give me what I want, Make me what I was, So buffy gets what she deserves " ...... Green eyed Deamon " Vey well, We will return your soul. ........ Deamon touched Spike and Spike screams. ........ Question what does Buffy deserve. And is Spike anywhere in the equation.

  • June 19, 2002, 4:57 p.m. CST

    'Dawn The Vampire Slayer'

    by Psynapse

    Would suck ASS. Wake the fuck up, people!

  • June 19, 2002, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Oh well...

    by Nail

    I guess that line caused a miscommunication effect... "Joss quoted James as saying that if they weren

  • June 19, 2002, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Nice TB, Folks!

    by snicky

    To be completely honest, I ususally read TBs to mock the fanboys who watch/read/masturbate to genre TV shows/movies/comics etc only to complain and whine ad naseum about every tiny flaw-- you know those guys,the ones who bitch about how Enterprise sucks, yet continue to not only watch, but tape and re-watch 9 times. ** Except for one minor post, this TB actually managed to be informative, insightful and funny. So good job, folks! ** That is all.

  • June 19, 2002, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Spike giving Buffy what she deserves

    by RogueScribner

    It would have been funny if the demon turned Spike into Angel. HA! I don't know about a Dawn the Vampire Slayer show. She's not a Slayer. She might have Slayer parts, but that doesn't mean she's a Slayer. Besides, from what I gather, you can know who has the ability to be Slayer when the girl is still a child, but the supernatural ability doesn't kick in until the Slayer has been activated. And since Dawn will NEVER be activated, what's the point? If there is another spin off show I hope they have more imagination than Dawn the Vampire Slayer. L8r

  • June 19, 2002, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Silveragent, you almost changed my mind

    by Psynapse

    by being as articulate as you always are. I would rather have a Faith (I know, I know hold my breath right?) spin off, that's all. Fanboy moment: Faith would kick Dawn's scrawny ass!!!!!!

  • June 19, 2002, 6:26 p.m. CST

    mflem920: Exactly!

    by Voice O. Reason

    I agree with you, 100%. What is it Spike thinks Buffy "deserves"? In Spike's mind, Buffy would be able to love him back if he had a soul. She could finally be happy then. Too bad it isn't going to work out that way.

  • June 19, 2002, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Buffy and Xander (New Evidence)

    by Voice O. Reason

    I don't think that Whedon will do the expected and have Spike and Buffy hook-up, even if Spike does have a soul. I'm hoping for a Buffy/Xander relationship. Here's my evidence...The director's commentary for "Reptile Boy", Greenwalt hints at the possibility that Xander and Buffy still might hook up (true, it was recorded in the fifth season, but that doesn't invalidate it). Phases: Lots of Buffy/Xander chemistry there. (Thanks 2nd Season DVD!) Do we not all beleive for one second that Xander still loves Buffy? Yeah, there's always the old "if they were going to hook up they'd have done it by now" argument, but ever notice how, since after the first season, every time Buffy was single Xander was involved with someone else, and everytime Xander was single, Buffy was involved with someone else? When Angel was sucked into hell, Xander was with Cordelia. When Angel dumped her in "The Prom", Xander got a date with Anya! Although they were both single during the summer between the 3rd-4th seasons, Xander was conveniently out of town. At the beginning of the 4th season, there was a small window, but it was QUICKLY filled by the one jerk Buffy liked, Anya, and Riley. By the time Riley skipped town, Xander and Anya were going strong. Now Xander and Anya have split up. Joss likes to do things no one's expecting...well, there you go.

  • June 19, 2002, 6:46 p.m. CST

    future of Buffy

    by buffyluvr2k2

    Season 7 seems like a logical place to stop. I think season 6 was so dark and depressing to set up a more upbeat happy ending season 7. Also SMG and Miss Hannigan have got to be itching to expand their careers and try something else. Sarah will probably try a few movies, but as much as I love her I think she's suited more for tv roles. She still looks too young for any film leading lady roles. She should take a few years off, have a couple kids with Freddie and then comeback after Buffy has been off the air for some time. As for the Buffy franchise, I would love to see a new Buffy/Angel film with both casts, but I don't see it happening. I vote no on the Dawn the Vampire Slayer idea. If anything try to get Eliza Dushku to come back to a new series. Give her a shitload of money. It would be worth it. I don't see why this world couldn't continue on a new series with new characters like the Star Trek shows. The only other spinoff or further character future I see is for Spike. It would be great to see a now "soulful" Spike on Angel for a season. Angel could guide him on how to make ammends for all he's done, while Spike continues to be a thorn in his side. Sort of a big brother/little brother relationship.

  • June 19, 2002, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Cool report

    by Darth Taun Taun

    Nice report. Coherent and gramatically sound. You know, I love this show, but I start to go a little batty when all the girls start their sentences by stuttering. "I-I-I-I-I could, y-y-y-you know, help." What's up with that? Also, Dawn the Vampire Slayer would suck.

  • June 19, 2002, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Voice O. Reason

    by buffyluvr2k2

    You truly are who you say. Thank you. I agree 100%. This has been my belief and hope for a while. Never realized the "they were never single at the same time" thing but its true. Did it feel like to you that they had always intended for something more to happen between Buffy and Xander and then all of a sudden just sort of forgot about it or changed there minds? I don't remember the episode names, perhaps the ones you were talking about, but there are scenes throughout the series that support this. The big one that comes to mind is the final scene of a season 2 episode where Buffy says to him, "Yeah, but I had you to bring me back" referring to when he gave her CPR and saved her life. And then there is that awkward silence before they walk away. I love that scene and it kills me, as a Xander empathizer, that they never explored that more. Also this season there seemed to be hints of a future when 1)Xander in his fake future was injured trying to save Buffy but she died anyway and he is all depressed. I know it wasn't real but it still put doubt into his mind as to how he felt about Anya vs. Buffy. 2)The scene right before Buffy and Tara are shot, in which Buffy and Xander are sitting on the bench mirroring the scene in the season 1 finale when he declares his feelings for her and asks her out. In his speech this time he says something about "How did we get here?" which is also supposed to make you recall the season 1 scene. 3)When Anya is talking to Xander in the finale and she says "It's your fault" his mind jumps to it was his fault he let Buffy get shot and not what Anya meant about there break up. 4)Also Xander was angry when Anya slept with Spike, but when he found out Buffy had done it he was sick to his stomach and seemed to have a much harder time accepting it. However, these are just one man's opinion. Who has others regarding this topic? I'm interested to see. Also, anyone who reads all this is either very bored or much more tolerant of long rants than others, including myself.

  • June 19, 2002, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Spike gives Buffy what she deserves and that is

    by warlock411

    Xander . Spike did not ask to be with Buffy or for Buffy to love him. Only to give her what she deserves. Sometimes if you truly love a person you have to let them go. And you just hope that they will be happy.

  • June 19, 2002, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Um, not to interrupt or anything.....

    by Zap Kapow

    But I'll jump into this debate by saying that Dawn just looks too slight to fight well. I know SMG is not exactly chubby, but Dawn just doesn't look like a fighter. Eliza does and that's why she'd be better as a spin off slayer. Since when did Faith have lesbian tendancies by the way? I never saw that....

  • June 19, 2002, 9:16 p.m. CST

    "Dawn the Vampire Slayer"? You might as well cast Ted McGinley i

    by Triumph the Dog

    Nothing against Dawn but we've DONE the "teen girl as vampire slayer show." Time to move on. True, Whedon is writing "Fray" for Dark Horse, but the difference there is that it takes place like 100 years after "Buffy." That's a little different.

  • June 19, 2002, 9:23 p.m. CST

    If buffy died, then there is another Vampire Slayer out there so

    by Smeg For Brains

    ... and I put my money on Dawn. Not because I want her to be it, but because it just looks like they are headed that way. The problem with a Dawn the Vampire Slayer show is dealing with what happens to Buffy. I mean it's not like she would take off and leave Dawn alone. In fact that is the last thing she would do.

  • June 19, 2002, 9:30 p.m. CST

    yall who think spike wanted his soul back are nuts

    by magic_ninja

    I mean, com'on. That doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever. He got dicked over by that demon, plain and simple and now he's gotta live with it.

  • June 19, 2002, 11:26 p.m. CST

    by jbwbubba

    Sounds like Joss's female empowerment also, could be taken as "Xander your screwed". I greatly hope against any Dawn the Jr. Slayer. I do love that Joss is hoping to get ASH back more, he was an anchor the show sorely missed. They are opening the High School, so where has Dawn being going to school? One would assume a new rebuilt Sunnydale on the spot of the old, which means hellmouth. But will they have an excuse to hang around the school now, perhaps Xander could become a shop teacher. Given the Scoobies a new HQ since the magic box was trashed.

  • June 19, 2002, 11:40 p.m. CST

    SMG money concerns

    by Dudley228

    Someone mentioned that Gellar could get more money in film work than by staying with the series. Look at how much the Friends cast gets now. They get about a million per episode. Gellar may not be offered that kind of offer, but it would be high and considering there is about 22 episodes in a season. No matter what she gets per episode it would be more than she would get for a couple of movies she could do in a year. For Scooby-Doo, she was paid 1.25 million and in her contract she has a backend deal where she gets a percentage of the films profits and probably a percentage of the merchandise.

  • June 19, 2002, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Buffy Cast and crew not talking.

    by Vonfolger

    I had the pleasure of attending Creep-con a few weeks ago and got a chance to see Anthony Head and other supporting folk talk for about an hour about the future of the Buffy-verse. One thing that's for sure is that they honestly have no idea what the creative team is throwing at them next, and if they do indeed know they're not saying a word. Adam Bush ( Warren ) Showed up midway through the Q+A and Met Mark Lutz ( Gru on Angel ) for what I believe was the first time. Needless to say nobody seems to know what is indeed in store for next season.. at the time Anthony Head said he was in contract negotiations, and didn't know what was going on himself. The crowd let him know how badly Giles was missed and how his character is needed in Sunndale stat! So if any of you producers are reading this, pay him whatever he's asking! Minus some damn funny stories by Andy Hallet and Mark Lutz ( The Host and Gru ) nothing super secret was spilled. Did you know those two jokers are neigbors? Well you do now. One final note about my Adventures. We got a Chance to See Adam (Warren)'s Band play at the shelter in baltimore, and had a blast. It was pretty odd to be at a show and look out into the small audience and see, The Host, Gru and The Judge just hanging out while Warren rocked out on stage.. an experience.

  • June 20, 2002, 12:18 a.m. CST

    How's this for a spinoff title??

    by mmmspike

    'Dawn, Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Sister.'

  • June 20, 2002, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Next...

    by cooper2000

    they sound like a chummy group and they sound optimistic about next season. I just hope my favorite show is better than last season because I cant deal with another season of bad writing. and Please, Pleassse, dont continue the show after next season. End it on a high note. Dont pull an X-files!!

  • June 20, 2002, 12:26 a.m. CST

    smg may not be leaving tv so soon

    by starmom

    A few mornings back Ms. Gellar was being interviewed about that scooby movie and inbetween the not funny film clip and showing the doesnt look anything like SMG barbie doll dressed as dapne the interviewer ask SMG something like 'So your not going to be doing your series anymore' Ms. Gellar acted very suprised and kind of cagy and responded something like 'WWWhere did you hear that... when the new season starts your like... wow I'm excited, when it's in the middle your like I hate this, but when the season ends your like I could keep doing this'. Interpret for yourselves friends and neighbors. I think perhaps she's spreading around the no more TV but if the moneys right who knows?

  • June 20, 2002, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Buffy dying did not create a new slayer

    by starmom

    Smeg for brains, Joss addressed the is a new slayer activated everytime Buffy dies question a while back. Basically the explanation goes like this. There's supposed to be only one chosen one. Buffy was drowned for like a second at the end of season one. Kendra was activated. The fact that Xander gave Buffy CPR and brought her back doesnt change the fact that a new chosen one was activated. Drusilla took care of Kendra in season two, that activated Faith. Joss also said that for a while at least there aren't going to be any more slayers coming around because Eliza Dushku is too busy doing movies to come back to the show. I know I know sounds silly to me too. But that was my understanding of Lord Wheadon's explanation.

  • June 20, 2002, 1:07 a.m. CST

    new slayer

    by buffyluvr2k2

    According to an apparent interview before season 6 with Joss, the slayer line now lies with Faith. The only way for a new slayer to be called is if Faith dies. Which of course they could do really easily with the line, "Hey guess what? The prison called. Faith is dead. Who's for pizza?"

  • June 20, 2002, 1:10 a.m. CST

    slayer activation

    by Dudley228

    Whedon has said that the slayer line is with Faith now so as long as the character of Faith is alive there will be no new slayers. But I think Dawn could still be one since the monks in season five created her from Buffy. SO by them doing that, I think that Dawn could have slayer abilities within her. We know she can fight by the season 6 finale. I would like to see her in her own spin-off series. And to the person who said that dawn doesn't like vampires. She gets along well with Spike for someone who doesn't like vampires.

  • June 20, 2002, 1:58 a.m. CST

    silveragent: Huh?!?!?!

    by Voice O. Reason

    You're saying Xander and Buffy won't hook up because Joss likes comics? Was there an argument in there? All you did was ramble and recite a bunch of opinions that had nothing to do with what we're talking about.

  • June 20, 2002, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Maybe I'm putting to much weight on Greenwalt's remark..

    by Voice O. Reason

    ...but he really did say that Buffy and Xander were a possibility on the "Reptile Boy" DVD commentary track, which is what got me thinking about it again. I'd like to think that in Joss Whedon's world, the geek gets the girl. BTW, all four commentary tracks on the 2nd Season DVD were good, although Marti's was pretty repetitive.

  • June 20, 2002, 5:08 a.m. CST

    silveragent

    by paperclip

    I think you are right about no B/X relationship in terms of the fact that no, her boyfriends don't work out well. And even if they're cutting down on the angst for Season 7, I think that mine of emotional drama would be silly to waste.

  • June 20, 2002, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Would Dawn be the new slayer

    by spikeybell

    For the there to be a new slayer faith would have to die not Buffy....is this right

  • June 20, 2002, 6:59 a.m. CST

    DVDs

    by mjj12

    Just a couple of comments on things earlier in this thread. Firstly, about the picture on the S2 DVDs really sucking. Yes, I agree it does, and I wonder if it was entirely the 16mm film or whether it was the combination of this and bad work being done with the transfer. However, I have just got the British S4 DVDs and the picture in these is just gorgeous. It looks great in widescreen, too. Secondly someone commented on SMG being more suited to TV than movies. This may or may not be so - I think her performance in Cruel Intentions is actually pretty good, and I won't really know until I have seen her do more films, but I am expecting Alysson Hannigan to do enormously well in the film world. She doesn't get the respect she deserves because she doesn't have classic movie star looks, but she just has something. Her part in the American Pie movies wasn't intended to be a very important part, but she completely steals both movies (particularly the second, where she is just hilarious)

  • June 20, 2002, 7:12 a.m. CST

    The Engima really needs anger management classes

    by Rain_Dog

    This was probably the single most civilised talkback I've ever seen, then theEngima comes in being all saracastic and angry. What's the point? On the subject of Buffy/Xander, I doubt it will happen now. There was a moment in season 2 that I'm pretty sure no-one has mentioned yet that alluded to the possibility; a girl from one of Buffy's classes dies, and it turns out she's been vamped by Angelus. Buffy and Xander are at the viewing when she wakes up, and Xander has to stake her with the stand from the guestbook thingy (never been to a funeral, sorry). He helps Buffy up, and she looks into his eyes for a markedly long time, then walks off quickly. Xander says to himself, "Yeah, cause my life isn't complicated enough already." However, I think this was meant to be one of those little moments you have with people that never goes anywhere; the times when, for about three seconds, it looks like something will happen in the future, and then the next time you see them that something is gone. I don't think they'll end up together. And in regards to the "Spike is a greater champion than Angel" thing, I still maintain that most of the good he has done was in an effort to either get into or stay in Buffy's pants. Everything he has done was motivated by lust (or maybe love) for a single person, not an over-riding desire to help humanity at large. Also, the "champion" terminology is really an Angel thing, as are Wolfram and Hart and the Powers that Be; anyone who thinks that Buffy and Angel aren't now developing seperate terminologies and mythologies is kidding themselves.

  • June 20, 2002, 8:29 a.m. CST

    "I love crayon-breaky Willow and I love scary,veiny Willow"

    by Wicked Willow

    That's my favorite line from "Grave" and am not surpised that NB really fell for the script with that in it-he delivered that whole speech so well,it was one of the best Xander moments on the show. I saw AB & NB on the MuchMusic video awards last week and someone did ask if Tara would return;AB replied"yeah,I'm coming back as a dog-Miss Kitty Fantasico II!" *heheheehee-wonder what our Miss Kitty makes of that*. Also,I do think it's a good thing for the show to end-7 seasons are long enough and it's best to end it before the whole concept is played out and the actors get even older. Don't know about a spin-off-will wait and see what pops up on that front before I make a judgement call.

  • So it stands to reason that Dawn probably has very close to the same abilities, no matter how latent they are.

  • June 20, 2002, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Shelly Long itis

    by Ashxking

    SMG seems to be acting like Shelly long by turning her back on the show that made her. And her movies wont do donkey balls at the box office. X/W will has to happen it has been going on for 15 years(Buffy Time Line) Arnt there more than one master i mean in season 3 I though one was sent after Buffy and Faith

  • June 20, 2002, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Dawn & Spike & Answers (yes, I got 'em)

    by ZSmooth

    This is buried... buried DEEP into this TB... so nobody is reading. I don't care. 1) If years of watching this show has taught you anything, it taught you that when asking a magical demon for a favor, you have to be VERY PRECISE with your request. Spike never was the brightest bulb to ever drink blood. He damn well wanted his chip out... he just did not specify exactly when the moment came to have his wish granted. 2) If there IS a Dawn the Vampire Slayer in the works, I think it's safe to say Michelle Trachenburg (sp?) will get dutifully "buffed" up for it (oh, the WIT. It is my CURSE). She'll hit the weights, take Tae Kwon Doe, and nicely prepare herself for the job. You'll love her, she's hot already... wait 'till she fully develops. You're all thinking that the kid we've been seeing for the last 2 seasons will just pick up a stake and start pounding... come on guys, use your imagination. 3) As far as SMG saying this is her last season? Well, I clearly remember David Schwimmer saying that 5 seasons of "Friends" were PLENTY for him... this was during season 2-3... when they were all out making bad movies. Now, UPN doesn't have the money NBC does... and Buffy isn't the ratings dream "Friends" is... but I am quite sure Ms Gellar, and her agents, realize that you just don't abandon a show buolt completely around her in favor for a movie career where you are fighting tooth and nail for every single script with about a million other actresses, many of whom are just as famous as she is. So, to sum up... Spike's a dope, Spike screwed himself up, Dawn can grow up to be a solid ass kicker, and SMG might decide to hang around a bit longer than expected, if the money is right. So much chatter about a show that won't have a new episode out for the next four months. Geeze.

  • June 20, 2002, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Silveragent/Dawn & Whatever Else

    by DefyThis

    No, that's not my proposal for a new 'ship! SA, I'd say you're 50/50 on the Dawn issues. She WON'T have an intense hatred of vampires, because Spike plays such a huge role in her life. True "Seeing Red" may have changed that, but I suspect (and comments were made by the writers to this end) that there'll be more friendly interaction between the two. On the other hand, she clearly has less of a problem killing humans than Buffy - she was gung-ho for taking out Warren. A glimpse of a possible dark side? Any Dawn show can't be Dawn the Vampire Slayer, however, I'm in total agreement with anyone saying that. It would be a rehash. You can say she has some powers since she's made from the same blood, but I think you need to throw the key issue in the mix, giving her some other problems/powers as a result. She needs (is) something different; Dawn can't just be a slayer. I think part of any spinoff ought to center on her searching for just what it is that she is (key, a simple human, something else? Here's a girl who has only existed a few years, but has a short lifetime of false memories - that has GOT to fuck with your head).

  • June 20, 2002, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Enigma, since you decided to come after me directly...

    by Psynapse

    Have some right back atcha. You and I are normally on the same side of the fence but apparently you feel a bit of umbrage with me. First, I am FULLY AWARE that teenagers whine, I accept it just fine. I don't happen to like it and find it VERY annoying that's all. People like me? What, people who have an opinion and stick behind it? You don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you or can you handle that? You cite your right to like Dawn quite a bit. What about my right to DISLIKE the character? Guess that's only okay as long as I agree with you, huh? 2 things: 1. NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER has been given by Joss or anyone else at ME that Dawn has ANYTHING to do with the slayers other than being Buffy's mystically created sister. you are SPECULATING any involvement to prop up your own wishes for a spin off, quit trying to act like you're writing the show. 2, You say 'Have some faith people'. Guess what? I DO. Personally I feel a Faith spin off (yeah, yeah, I know ALL ABOUT the casting issues with Dushku so save your breath) would be better than a Dawn one and unless something drastic happens to the Dawn character in S7 that's not gonna change. I am Psynapse and I am whatever I choose to be.

  • June 20, 2002, 1:26 p.m. CST

    re: buffy died another slayer

    by braindeadpj

    Yes that's true and her name's Kendra and she died in season 2 leading to Faith, if i remember correct. The first time she died 'broke' her out of that pattern, so another one doesn't come along next time she dies - i.e. end of season 5.

  • June 20, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Dawn the Vampire Slayer

    by warlock411

    Dawn was made from Buffy. Sara leaves to make movies. UPN wants more Buffy Eps, How do they do this and still call the show Buffy. Dawn will become Buffy or Buffy will become Dawn or the two combine into one who just looks like Dawn. The new Dawn/Buffy would have all of Buffys skills, and memory. the if Angel leaves WB they could have X-overs with Dawn in love with Angel, after all she would be Buffy in Dawns body.

  • June 20, 2002, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Season 2 DVD picture quality

    by dkmonroe

    Just some friendly advice of perhaps dubious value - I have a fairly cheap DVD player, and it has three resolution levels; High, Normal, and Auto. The default is Auto. I changed mine to High, and adjusted the brightness slightly to get rid of the annoying "black eye" phenom that was occurring in some dark scenes. It improved the picture considerably. I don't known if this will work in all cases, but it did in mine, and my player's not top of the line by any means.

  • June 20, 2002, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Warlock411......

    by Psynapse

    Lemme guess. You watch a lot of Soap Operas don't you?

  • June 20, 2002, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Buffy and Xander, here's why it can happen...

    by Voice O. Reason

    ...because its the last season. They can finally having Buffy grow up and lead a happy life...right before the final credits role on the last episode. I'm also thinking a Buffy/Xander/Spike triangle would be a good plot device, and a reason to keep Spike and Buffy apart for dramatic reasons. See, there's a very pragmatic side to all of this.

  • June 20, 2002, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Psynapse

    by warlock411

    Not really , but I tried to think of the lamest idea possible because thats what I am scared the writers will do. As a fan I hate it when a gem of a show goes downhill at the end of its life ( like x-files ). I have lost faith in the Buffy writers. I really hope season 7 proves me wrong and the writers shine and give the cast some great material to work with. If the writing is there the cast can be great.

  • June 20, 2002, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Dawn in love with Angel?

    by RogueScribner

    Like Angel wasn't robbing the cradle before! I really don't think we need to go there. That would be too creepy. BTW, why does Slayer lineage come up in every single talkback here? Can we post a FAQ or something for the ignorant masses? It gets annoying to read the same questions and not-quite-right answers over and over and over again. Unknown activated slayer dies. Buffy is activated. Activated Buffy dies, Kendra is activated. Buffy is still alive, but not activated anymore. She's no longer "in the loop". Activated Kendra dies, Faith is activated. Inactivated Buffy dies. Guess what? No new Slayer. Only a new Slayer will be called after Activated Faith dies. Get it? Got it? Good. L8r

  • June 21, 2002, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Dawn being a slayer

    by Dudley228

    "I agree with you, huh? 2 things: 1. NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER has been given by Joss or anyone else at ME that Dawn has ANYTHING to do with the slayers other than being Buffy's mystically created sister. you are SPECULATING any involvement to prop up your own wishes for a spin off, quit trying to act like you're writing the show." Actually nothing may be said about Dawn having Buffy's abilities until it is needed by the writers. Joss has mentioned that he doesn't give the backstory of characters because that could stop them from doing something in a future story. Just look at the character of Jenny Calendar. She came on the show and they never said anything about her background until the writers came up with the idea to make her a member of the gypsy clan who cursed Angel in a future episode. They leave the backstory blank so that they may be able to use that in a future episode. So if Joss wishes it, Dawn will become a slayer or another line of slayers.

  • June 21, 2002, 12:20 a.m. CST

    What Richard *didn't* quote from the ATAS Buffy panel.

    by Sabrina

    Wow -- is "Richard" a minion of ME? I was there, too (five rows away from the lissom Marsters and the solid but very cute and clever Brendon), and some of the most outstanding things I recall were Joss' and Noxon's marked discomfort when mod Janet Weeks asked about Season 6's darkness. Joss started blathering on about how the first five seasons were "all about metaphor," and then Noxon blurted "but then we ran out of ideas." No shit, lady. Also interesting: when Brendon was waxing lyrical about the "awesome" imagery of the yellow crayon, and Joss mocked the "internet critics" who had the temerity to say "he saves her by talking about a yellow crayon? This show SUCKS now!" I guess we're only supposed to praise God!Joss, as everyone was doing at this panel. Oh -- and my next favorite Joss moment came after Marsters commented that last season was "interesting to the point of being dangerous" (suck up, lovely James), and Joss drawled wonderingly "maybe it just went over everyone's head." Yeah, it was the audience's fault that last season sucked, Joss -- we're too stupid not to swallow the shitty writing, the lapses of logic, the anvil-y, mechanical plot points, the overall mean-spirited tone. Yeah, it's us all right. And we're so looking forward to next season of Sunnydale Girls, where we're witness to Buffy raising her wacky teenager, Willow gets a slap on the wrist for murdering a human and attempting to end the world (she's too cute, you know, and Joss said "a really good speech" will redeem her as they don't want her situation to be "depressing and weird"), and Spike will be reduced to Wacky, Helpful Souled Neighbor with No Balls. I really wanna see that, you betcha.

  • June 21, 2002, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Sorry, sorry -- I forgot Joss's most ridiculous pronouncemen

    by Sabrina

    ...at the ATAS panel, which was that he thinks the Nerd Trio were "the best villains we've ever had. I loved them. They made me laugh all the time." WTF? This from the man who *created* the Mayor? Boy, this guy IS spreading himself too thin now, as moderator Weeks wondered.

  • June 21, 2002, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Well Sabrina, the Nerds WERE better villains than

    by Drath

    the last two season had! The Initiative was a cliche-ridden predicatable crapfest. I knew where it was going the instant I saw the Army guys, right down to the "Buffy is becoming a liability" line. Adam was a Dark Shadows-style bore. I didn't care if he destroyed the rest of the Initiative, and his plot to make a bunch of cyborg demons wasn't half as scary as the Mayor planning to become a big snake and eat a whole graduating class of students. Then there's Glory, the Debra Messing-clone who desperately needed an accomplis. She couldn't pull off threatening even though they made her super strong. Hell, I think Shelly Long was scarier in an episode of Lois and Clark. The Nerds, unlike the villains of the last two seasons, were actually entertaining before they became threatening which is the very same thing that made the villains of the first three seasons so fun. Even the Master had moments of humor interspersed with the scenes of horror. What was different about the Nerds was the way the started off so lite. You didn't take them seriously, and when things got dark (Warren's girlfriend's murder, and then the shooting) it packed a bigger punch--not to mention it was the first time a Scoob was murdered since Angel killed Ms. Calendar. All of it paved the way perfectly for Dark Willow, who I think had only a handful of episodes specifically so she could be redeemed and not act guilty all next season to atone for being evil for so long. For that I was grateful. Say what you want about how pretentious Joss and Marti are, or crapiness of this season's pacing and tone, but for the first time since graduation the big bads actually worked.

  • June 21, 2002, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Warlock411/ Duddley228....

    by Psynapse

    **Warlock411: I hear ya. That would be sad to be sure. I also agree with you that the horse appears to be gasping. **Dudley228: Umm, that was my point, friend. Until the people writing the show make it happen it is just speculation and fanboy wishings. That said, I know there is another slayer out there who is very cool and would make a great show runner. I admit to my own fanboy wishing here but at least it's based only on what I know from the show's mythology that I've seen and not on idle speculation. That's all.

  • June 22, 2002, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Postulating on Buffy series 6

    by bern78

    I obsessively enjoyed series 5, and kind of lost interest a bit in series 6, but now that it is over I think it may have quietly snuck up to become my favourite of all. The fucked-up-ness of everything the characters had to deal with struck a chord with me and I look forward to watching the repeats. Bring on series 7, and hopefully these reports of a stronger, less whiney Dawn eventuate truthfully.... and maybe Tara's real identity as a spirit guide will also become apparent to the Scoobs...

  • June 22, 2002, 11:18 p.m. CST

    B/X W/X and other relationships

    by jbwbubba

    I would like to see a Buffy/Xander hook up but I don

  • June 23, 2002, 6:54 p.m. CST

    "Dawn the Key" . . .

    by OuiMai

    . . . could introduce wonderful new characters, like a primate demon and a goofy Italian vampire named Mario. Spun off as a videogame it would be called, yes, "Dawn the Key Kong."

  • June 24, 2002, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Jeez Sabrina

    by AshFett

    Sabrina: Wow, you do one better then going into a message board of a show you hate. You go to presentations by the cast and crew of a show you hate! Even considering that you once loved the show, you so obviously have nothing but malice for the creators, writers and everything they do now, then why would you go? I had a lot of friends who wanted to be at that thing who still love the show, and you took a ticket from them dang it! As someone who thought this season had a lot of problems, I still am aghast at how you percieved some of the comments from the presentation. Joss was almost entirely sarcastic and funny when dealing with the criticism. Which sure, could be a defense mechinsm. but when he made the comment about, "maybe it was over peoples heads," he was CLEARLY JOKING!! HE even said, "Yeah... that's it!" after. Joss made the joke about the "internet critics" saying the yellow crayon was dumb because Nick was praising him so much for it, he wanted to throw in some self-deprecation to NOT just sit and accept all of the compliments. The impression I have of Joss is of a very funny, self deprecating guy. I may have had issues with season six but it WAS funny when the moderator asked, "what do you think about the criticism that this season was too dark?" and Joss paused and answered, "Oops!?" You say Joss was "Blathering on" about how the first five seasons dealt in metaphors... um, okay. No, actually, I saw him discussing in a very straight foward way how the show veered this season from metaphor to more direct imagery... which I had problems with and think was handled poorly sometimes! But jeez, you just attacked every single thing said at this thing. I'm glad you went to have such a good time.

  • June 26, 2002, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Random

    by Jaka

    Hello all. After reading a good portion of the Talkback I am feeling somewhat lame...I know nothing about Buffy other than season 6. I never really cared for the lighter tone of earlier seasons (and I hate the movie..piece of crap). But this last year I moved to a place were I can't get cable, but I get all the regular channels plus UPN and WB. This allowed me to set up a somewhat regular viewing schedule. For me, Tuesday nights rocked because I LOVE Smallville and got really into Buffy. 2 solid hours of TV. So yeah, anyway, I think season 6 was great and look forward to season 7.

  • June 26, 2002, 2:54 p.m. CST

    "The" Dawn

    by Jaka

    Hey, to add a little from my last post; I started watching with season 6 because a friend of mine told me all about it....literally. We sat and talked for about 2 hours about why he loves the show while looking at websites so he could explain what had happened over the last 5 years. So the part I don't get about all this Dawn the Slayer talk is, I thought she had a purpose. I thought she was going to end up all super powerful or some shit. Like, she is "The Dawn". Someone hook me up with some info, yo!

  • Dec. 7, 2002, 7:23 p.m. CST

    season 8?

    by puppyprincess

    ok about this whole will there be a season eight thing... Has anyone else noticed how many characters have been dieing? Ok heres the ppl i can think of off the top of my head: 1-jonathan, 2-spike(not for sure, but it sure looks that way), 3-giles (again not for sure, but...) 4-tara (last season) hmmm thats a lot of ppl! so maybe they wernt main characters but anyways... PLEASE LET THERE BE ANOTHER SEASON!

  • May 25, 2004, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I want to fuck Dawn

    by TheDevilsBidness

    Michelle Trachtenberg is so fuckin' sweet, with her perfect little tits and round little ass - I want to bend her over and drive my cock deep into her tight, young snatch.