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CINEVEGAS: A Look At BUBBA HOTEP!!!
Harry here, writing my very own epic BUBBA HO-TEP Review, the only problem is... all the showgirls, Tom Jones, Charo, Penn (& Teller), Cross-Dressers (and Rav isn't even here), Flyerman and booze... lots of booze. Suffice to say, I've seen this film twice now and the second viewing was better than the first. A distributor that doesn't pick this up and take advantage of Bruce Campbell's 30 some odd city paperback book tour is truly insane! Here's Adam, a swell wonderful chap who I have not seen in any of my deliriums of late. Here ya go....
This is Adam from Zboneman.com. I'm back for another day of CineVegas. Well,
sort of. I've only got one screening today but it's a good one.BUBBA HO-TEP
I have this rule about film festivals. If there's a movie starring Bruce
Campbell, GO SEE IT! At the very least, you're always going to get a good
laugh out of Campbell flick.
I had heard very little about the new movie Bubba Ho-tep. Most of what I
knew, I picked up on aint-it-cool-news. It sounded pretty damn funny. When I
found out it was playing at CineVegas, I knew I had to attend.
So I get into the theater and take a seat in front of the one and only Harry
Knowles. Harry, you looked very rested. I really enjoyed our movie chat. You
truly are an inspiration to movie geeks all over the world.
We were the first audience to see a screening of this movie. In fact,
director Don Coscarelli (of Phantasm fame) reported that the film had just
been finished about a week ago.
Describing Bubba Ho-tep is no easy task. It's a comedy, but it's also a
horror film. And a very bizarre one at that. This is sort of a throwback to
those great comedy/horror flicks of the 80's (think Creepshow , An American
Werewolf in London, and of course, Evil Dead 2). Coscarelli does a perfect
job meshing the two genres. One moment I was laughing my ass off, and the
next, I was seriously creeped out.
The kicker here, is that this movie has a lot of character. Bubba Ho-tep
takes place present day at a retirement home in Texas. Bruce Campbell is an
aging Elvis Presley, a crotchety old timer who passes the time reminiscing
about the good old days. Yes, his life is winding down, but that all changes
when a fellow resident claims an evil Egyptian force is offing old folk in
their building. Did I mention that the fellow resident is JFK? He's played
with absolute charm by veteran Ossie Davis (no I'm not kidding). The two
become quick friends and unlikely heroes as they do battle with the
uninvited intruder. Yes, this is a mummy picture, but a much better one than
those Stephen Sommers flicks starring Brendan Frasier. This is far more
entertaining.
In a nutshell, Bubba Ho-tep is pure fun. It's hilarious and very creative.
This is the ultimate midnight movie. The entire audience was constantly
laughing.
Campbell is a picture perfect Elvis. As usual, the actor seems to be having
a total blast. But this isn't a mere throwaway part. Campbell adds heart and
humanity to the role. While this is a comedic performance, he throws in a
tad of drama for good measure. Davis is also terrific and he and Campbell
have perfect chemistry.
Coscarelli and his team have created one unique movie experience. This flick
is energetic and consistently entertaining. If I have any problems at all,
it's with the ending. I guess I wanted something a little bigger. Still,
that's a minor quibble, because ultimately, this movie delivers hilarious
laughs and spine tingling thrills.
We need more movies like Bubba Ho-tep. Goofy, high spirited, and just plain
fun. I hope this movie gets a distribution deal because I can't wait to see
it again.
On a side note, Coscarelli even gives Phantasm star Reggie Bannister a
little piece of the action, and it's fun to see this guy in a movie again
even if it doesn't feature a little flying ball with forks and a drill.
Following the screening, director Don Coscarelli, Bruce Campbell and story
creator Joe R. Lansdale were on hand for a Q&A. Campbell was a ball of
comedic energy fielding questions like an old pro. Coscarelli seemed
completely excited to be there. He really loves making movies, and his
enthusiasm really shows.
Upon leaving the screening, I had a chance to talk to Coscarelli. This guy
rules. I hope he continues making cool little movies like this. I also had a
chance to talk to Campbell, and made the fatal mistake of asking him if
there'd be another Evil Dead. He's probably asked that question 100 times a
day. He told me that there hadn't been any discussions about it. After a
dramatic pause, he pretty much went on little rant about budgets and a lack
of interest. He implied that three was enough. Besides, with Spider-Man
being such a huge hit, Raimi probably wouldn't be up for it. I say if a good
story comes up and you can get the funding (something that shouldn't be too
hard for Raimi now), go for it. Hell, I'm sure there's an audience for it.
I don't want to give the impression that I thought Campbell was out of line.
Shit, this guy makes movies for a living. Obviously he knows a lot about the
business. I'm just being selfish. I just want to see Ash kick some serious
deadite ass again! At any rate, Bruce Campbell is the man, and his
performance in Bubba Ho-tep confirms that.
That's it for now. I'll be back next week with a look at the Casino
screening, and this sneak preview thing. I still have no idea what it is,
but I'll be there to see it.
Adam Out!
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He came to Indianapolis to sign his book "If Chins Could Talk." I hate to just pour fuel onto the ultra-geek mantra of "Bruce is God, Bruce is God," but he really was one of the nicest people I've ever met. He was very attentive to each person who came up to get interviews and pictures. He was very engaging and really seemed to be enjoying himself. He's just such a "fan's actor." Anyway, I know I'm preaching to the geek-choir, but I just had to chime in with some more strokes for our main man "Ash."
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Elvis Vs. a retirement home Mummy, by way of Evil Dead 2?? Oh baby!
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A lot of things suck compared to LotR.
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I don't think anyone cares.
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It's called Polterchrist! It's about Jesus Christ coming back to life and eating people in a bowling alley. I saw it a couple weeks ago here in Seattle. I don't think it's done yet but GOD DAMN, it's FUCKING FUNNY! They have a website at www.polterchrist.com
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First: This general_custer crap is what gives these Talkbacks such a bad name. I thought AICN had a policy of banning retards like these guys. Second (and on subject): I too met Bruce and he seemed to be a swell guy. I'm not a die hard fan, but I respect the work he has done. He knows all of the stuff he has done isn't brilliant but he has the right attitude. Bubba Ho-Tep is way up there on the list of movies I would love to see. Original horror/comedy! The last original horror/comedy movie I saw was Evolution. No wait, that can't be right...
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Nothing lends more credibility to an argument than using "could of".
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Bruce as the King? Count me in!
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This sounds hilarious as shit! I can't wait. The concept alone is worth the price of admission. Then of course there's Bruce. And I didn't know the guy that did Phantasm was directing it. Oh, man, this is going to rock on so many different levels. One last note: Raimi himself has already said there is going to be another Evil Dead picture. He said he's working on a script in a recent interview. He then went on to say that it's a project he'd like to kick off after the Spider-Man sequel. He sounded genuine about it. Although, I suppose it could've been sarcasm. But he went on for awhile about it and never hinted that he wasn't in the up and up. He said that he really enjoyed doing them and he felt that the time was right to start thinking about putting another one together. Maybe he wants to get the script totally together before contacting Campbell and crew about it. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part. Don't let him give up on it, Bruce. Don't let him give up on it. Evil Dead 4 for president. But until then, there's Bubba Ho-Tep. Woohoo. And you clowns, quit bitch slapping Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. How soon you forget the man who brought you Dead Alive and Bad Taste. Don't let a few overenthusiastic fans (or trolls) ruin a gifted director's honest work. Cheers. -H68
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I'm talking about the Jason X ad being gone. All of the whiners on this site are going to have to do a paradigm shift and find something else to bitch about. . . . . or maybe they'll just call Harry fat or something.
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That Jason X banner was like Chinese water torture, only worse.
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We all know that three Indiana Jones movies are adequate, and that Harrison Ford's approaching the upper years, but we STILL want that ONE LAST archeological adventure! Same thing with Evil dead. The installments of each one of these series came out at fairly roughly the same timeframes (okay, maybe off by a few years, but still...), and we've been without fresh material from either for over a decade. Bruce is not as old as Harrison, but I'm sure it ain't easy lugging a man-size chainsaw on the end of your arm when you're middle-aged. And nonetheless, we want that one last whoopin' of deadite ass anyway. A big-budget ED4 would be phenomenal!
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Jun 11, 2002 8:41:11 PM CDT
Someone has to do it, so: You know who they shoulda got to play
by chilli kramer
Bruce Campbell. Damn all y'all for not getting there first!
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... is that they eventually degenerate into a bunch of late-night fanboys vomiting catch phrases over each other. Hey now- BC is indeed the man- I'm sure as hell not gonna dispute that. But say something about the fucking movie already. I haven't heard a thing about this but it sounds pretty cool- I'll be there soon after 'House of 1,000 Corpses.' + the reviewer can kiss my sharries for mocking 'The Mummy' + 'The Mummy Returns;' if England wasn't playing this Friday I'd go watch 'Scorpion King.' Out.
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I'm sure this is old news, but Bruce is slated to be a Marine in Don C's next (last?) Phantasm flick. I also got to meet The Man in Sacramento last summer, and not only does he know how to work a crowd, but he stayed a lot longer than scheduled to accomodate everyone.
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You're a strange guy, Chilli. Likeable, but strange nonetheless.
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Jun 11, 2002 11:37:17 PM CDT
Old Monkey will be working with Bubba-Ho-Tep star Reggie Bannist
by monkey_king
on the film DEAD PLANET. Bill Moseley(Texas Chainsaw 2, House of 1000 Corpses) and Debbie Rochon also star. One small cameo from Michael Berryman will round out the cast of this futuristic Zombie film.
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I'm not a gay man. But Bruce is the one man I'd go homo for. Well, him and Trent Reznor, but that's another issue entirely.
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That is, if they ever WERE funny to begin with. Then again, you lemmings will worship any piece of crap with Bruce Campbell in it. Remember Congo?
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At least in terms of films with vision? I can't believe how much support Spider-Man is getting. While Raimi is doing great with the dramatic scenes, the action was uninspired and lifeless, and I'm not even talking about the awful CG. It was clear that Raimi had a bigger palette when A Simple Plan was released, and if he kept doing films like that or The Gift I probably wouldn't have a problem with him. But to see his skills at action reigned in by studio suits and/or a bigger budget makes me sick. Yeah, he found the HEART of Spider-Man, but I'm still looking for the balls. The best comic film ever? Ha! Explain to me how this has the timeless classic feel of Superman OR the independent spirit of X-Men, both of which were superior films. It was the opposite of Batman, which had good action and bad drama. Did people delude themselves into thinking this HAD to be good because a (formerly) unique director was chosen, and a great young actor cast in the role? Amazing how this is better reviewed and making more money than Attack of the Clones, which IS visionary AND has some good drama AND kicks some major ass. Time will tell...
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anyway, Bruce Campbell rules the world
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Jun 12, 2002 6:06:50 AM CDT
Joe Lansdale is the smooth pimp-daddy of gonzo horror\crime\come
by cash bailey
Often all of them at the same time. I've said it before but Bruce's career won't be complete until he headlines an adaption of Lansdale's magnificent zombie western DEAD IN THE WEST. Can you just imagine 'The Chin' as the drunken, sister-screwin', six-gun-totin', zombie-twattin', spider-fearin' Reverend Jebediah Mercer? My pants fill with all sorts of happy things just imagining it.
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Jun 12, 2002 8:54:03 AM CDT
Distributers haven't picked it up because the movie sucks
by youstupidgeeks
Face it, it does. Have I seen it? No.... has Harry seen Scooby Doo... No.... so my opinion on this horrible movie with corny actors is just as valid as his.
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Jun 12, 2002 8:54:03 AM CDT
Distributers haven't picked it up because the movie sucks
by youstupidgeeks
Face it, it does. Have I seen it? No.... has Harry seen Scooby Doo... No.... so my opinion on this horrible movie with corny actors is just as valid as his.
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Despite how much I liked Spider-Man, I was with you till you said AoTC was visionary and chock full of "good drama". At that point I laughed heartily, and dismissed you as a fool.
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I've said it once & I'll say it again, the next Evil Dead film should be about him building a time machine to kick ass across the timestream! Ash vs. dinosaurs, Ash vs. cavemen, Ash vs. romans, Ash vs. the inquisition, Ash vs. Nazis, and finally Ash vs. the year 400 billion!!! Think about it.
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Lazarus, baby... You got it all wrong. Spider-Man was awesome. The only thing that detracted from the action and made it less than it could've been was the soundtrack... Which I still say was uninspired. Raimi was faithful to the comics and he produced a top notch comic adaptation. So says millions and millions of people, internationally. Come on, you're going to tell me you're the only sensible joker in town. How can so many people be disproved. Spidey, I do agree, is not the best comic adaptation. It's second best. Just edging out Batman. First is still Superman. As you said, it's a vintage classic. It'll be hard to ever top that one. Donner played it like a pro. But give our man, Sam a break. Spider-Man was spot for the dudes first big-budget exploration into the studios back pocket. And I also can empathize with you about reining in on the usual style you find in a Sam Raimi picture. The shooting was a little tame for what we're used to. Hopefully the trust will be there for the sequel, and they'll give the man more artistic license with his shots and creativity. And, dude, I don't know what movie you saw, AOTC was in no way better than Spidey. Especially in the categories you professed. The CG was a little better, and the music was better, but that was about it. The production was a whole lot more put together over in Raimi's group. ***So, hey, Monkey_King... Sounds like a winner. What the hell's ol' Reggie been up to of late anyway? ***Bruce in Phantasm will rock. However, I didn't know that they were ever going to do another one. I thought the last was kind of like Psycho 4, a way to ease out of the franchise. ***And, Polterchrist? Never heard of it, but it does sound pretty humorous. Although, I can't imagine bible thumpers sitting idly by if a studio does pick it up. Who's attached to it? 'Sounds like a Troma thing. A sort of Cannibals the Musical.
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That would be Evil Dead 4. Three was Armies of Darkness. Also, it's already set up. It'll be in the post-appocolyptic future. See the Armies of Darkness special edition alternate ending to witness this setup. Cheers.
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Jun 12, 2002 11:43:37 AM CDT
Campbell will make another Evil Dead just to shut fans up. Or he
by philtho
I feel kinda bad for him knowing that everyone who runs into him asks that question. Hell, his best friends probably rag on him everyday for not making another one. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't secretly pleaded with Rami to make another just so he can live a single day without every person on the planet asking for another Evil Dead. He knows when he's 80 he'll still be getting asked, and that's no way to retire.
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It also sounds like a whole lotta fun. Looking forward to it. It's been said before, but I have to say it again; Bruce Campbell rocks.
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... you spend an awful lot of time on the road drinking, I gather, from your intros to various news items. Just a friendly reminder to take it easy on the hard stuff, big guy. I'm a recovering alcoholic and a rather large guy myself, and I know the sneaky dangers of Vegas-type nightlife fun. You've got a good heart and a great gig, Harry, and many, many folks here would hate to see anything happen to you. Moderation in all things (except moviegoing)! Be safe...
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on the subject of banner ads, i want the Jason X banner back. i'd rather look at hotties than mike myers. bruce campbell has been in bad movies, but he's always been the highlight of every movie he's been in. my opinion: don't do any more evil dead movies. don't do any remakes of evil dead movies. don't re-release evil dead movies with any new cgi crap in them. they are awesome the way they are and they are available for purchase all over the world. great movies: leave them the fuck alone. and let's hope bruce keeps acting in many many more movies.
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The "let's get nuts!" sequence? And X-Men? No action there either, unless you count that lame Statue of Liberty set piece at the end. And Superman? C'mon! There was three action sequences IN THE WHOLE MOVIE. Spider-Man was by far the best comic book adaption to date, besides Ghost World. I agree that the emotional content was the strong point of the film, but thats a good thing. and there were Raimi touches all over it...on repeated viewings you notice them more. I'm down with whatever criticism's people have, but I just don't feel some of the stuff I see posted here makes any sense. Oh, & Bruce Campbell rules.
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Jun 12, 2002 6:10:35 PM CDT
elseed, another Evil Dead would mean Evil Dead IV, wouldn't
by lenny nero
I don't know exactly what Raimi and crew consider ARMY OF DARKNESS to be. I know it's a continuation of Evil Dead, and they really couldn't call it that for commercial reasons, but what if? I'm curious.
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Army of Darkness IS Evil Dead III. Raimi's working title was Medieval Dead. The studio wanted to call it Army of Darkness because of the (relatively) large budget, reasoning that calling it Evil Dead III would put off the vast number of people who had not seen (or heard of) the first two, and that fans of the first two would be well aware that this was the third one. It was probably a good choice - I think most people who are fans of the series were introduced to well-publicized Army of Darkness first, and the other two after the fact. I know I was.
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As was I.
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The Evil Dead reached a more than satisfactory conclusion, particularly when you've seen the director's cut ending of "Army of Darkness". That, to me, is where Ash ends up, not that ridiculous load that was shown in the theaters. If any of you haven't seen it, I won't spoil it, but go rent the director's cut DVD immediately. Personally, I'd rather see a series go out with a full head of steam than chug along until it becomes repetetive and tired. Coscarelli himself made this mistake with "Phantasm", and apparently, he STILL wants to keep going. I'm more interested in seeing what ELSE Raimi and Campbell have got to offer than seeing them re-hash old times. For instance, "Bubba Hotep" sounds like a much better use of Campbell's and Coscarelli's time to me than yet another entry in their respective series. Now that's creativity.
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As a huge fan of the Post Apocalyptic genre, I for one would welcome an Evil Dead film set in that mythic backdrop. I hear your battle cry, st. Buggering, but still... personally I felt Army Of Darkness was a little weak, but then the first Evil Dead film I saw was Evil Dead 2, so I guess I'm biased. I would also like to add that the Evil Dead game for playstation, though dated at this point, is immensley satisfying for the Evil Dead fan. Nothing beats the feeling of chain sawing a Deadite!
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Shon, that's Blashem-yyyyy. Dude, those "zombie movies", as you call them, that Bruce did are some of the greatest films to ever grace the screen. You can't beat them for bang for your buck. Nothing kicks ass like Ash with a chainsaw and sawed-off, cutting up deadites left and right, while all the time giving them a right beating with some snappy one liners. It just doesn't get any better than that. Of course, I know you've got to be joking around. No one would appreciate Campbell without first appreciating Evil Dead. It was Evil Dead and mr. Raimi that defined what Bruce is today. And that ain't just pillow talk, baby. ***Someone, I forget who, mistakenly tabbed "I'll swallow your soul" to be from Armies. Again, I'm sure you bit your tongue after you hit POST. Everyone knows that that's Dead By Dawn your thinking of. ***And to one of these here last posters, I agree that the original ending to Armies was the better ending... But I don't agree that the series should end there. The director's cut ending leaves Ash in the post-appocolyptic future. That's setting it up for, as another poster hinted at, a swell post-appocolyptic reaming of the deadites. How can you resist that? Normally I'd agree with you that an idea can get watered down and repetative if it's stuck in an neverending cycle of crappy movie sequels. However, I don't see how this relates to the Evil Dead. All three films are damn entertaining. I don't see any of them as being oldhat or used up. I think the series should end on a bang to shake the very foundation of our existence. Evil Dead IV could be just the ticket. I realize that the team is getting old and wanting to move on in their respectful careers, but what's one more for old time's sake. One more to end it all on just the right "Groovy." Before it really is too late, and everyone forgets it all. ***Last note: I just got Playstation 2. I'll be surfing the net for used Hail To the King games. I've heard it got some bad reviews. But I'm all about video games that showcase Bruce Campbell as the badass. Anyone else played it? What's the word on it? Did anyone ever play Blood for the PC. That one always reminded me of Evil Dead. Very fun, and very funny game. Extremely gory, a little bit creepy, and the main character spouts Campbellisms throughout.
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And I also enjoyed pretty much all the Phantasms. This is one of those movie series that can pretty much change entirely from one movie to the next. There's not just one set plotline that needs to be followed over and over again. I think all of them have been extremely different from each other. And I don't think that these are getting old either. Although the last one was definately worst one to date. For my money though, I'll bet you it was lack of budget. The film it was shot on even seemed cheap. One's a classic. Two was funny as beans, and it capitallized off the first, still carrying over the creepiness. Plus, all the little tall man gadgets got showcased. Three was extremely weird and made you have to think to begin to understand what was going on. Reminded me of a Lynch movie. Four had a good idea... Seeing the origins of the Tall Man. But again, whoever produced it skimped on the bucks big time. It looked like it was put out by a subsidiary of Full Moon Entertainment. And, ooo, that's bad. If the original director's coming back for a fourth. I'm definately game. He could really round out the Phantasm series in a big way. And Bruce Campbell being in it just gives me chills. Can't wait.
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Am I the only one that prefers the theatrical ending to Army of Darkness? I thought it was funnier, and more in spirit with the movie. For the record, I also think "Good. Bad. I'm the one with the gun." is better than "Not that good."
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Has anyone here (Halloween68, I'm looking at you) heard a logical explaination as to why Ash returns to the cabin for Evil Dead 2? I realize that technically part 2 is just a reimagining of the first film with more humor & a real budget, but it always irked me that NO explanation was given. I'll even accept personal theories & explanations, because I doubt even Raimi or Campbell know. God, this is a dorky question.
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Damn, say that three times real fast. Anyways, JQ, as for endings, I totally agree that the theatrical ending was funnier that the sequel ending. I like it, and I would've wished it could somehow be put in there (maybe a dream and then he wakes up in the sequel ending), but I like the sequel ending overall more, because it basically says, "hey, we're doing another one." I'd rather have another 2 hours of funny than a mere 2 minutes of funny. Yeah, I guess I'm just sentimental. ***Hey, Knobules, my bad. 8D It's one of the most memorable lines from the second. 'Wasn't aware it was repeated in Armies. Hey, I can take a bitch-slapping like the rest of 'em. ***Ocho, Nueve, and Diez... Sorry, I couldn't resist. The whole reimagining thing. Eeeee. People have pondered that one for years. I guess the way I've always heard it explained is as follows. Evil Dead II is a remake of the first one. Evil Dead originally started out as a serious horror movie. Slap in the middle of it, Raimi and crew ran out of budget. They trudge on and finished the film the best they could. After it was made, the low-budget cheezy side of the film seemed to stand on its own, and by and large was talked about as being the most entertaining aspect of the movie. A few years later, Raimi and team, off the success of the original, an underground hit, decided to go back and capitalized off of what many people felt was the strongest staple of the movie... It's kind of engrown humor. So with a this time solid budget, and totally new script, they went back and remade the whole thing as an out and out comedy while not skimping on some of the other highlights of the first. Mainly the gore and the violence. So while Evil Dead 2 is called Evil Dead 2, it's not really a sequel. A probably more apt title would be simply Dead By Dawn. I think they used the Evil Dead 2 name to help the public associate the movie with the first one; telling them that it was the same people and whatnot. If you notice, Armies of Darkness is a sequel to Dead by Dawn and not to Evil Dead. Raimi made a series out of the comedy aspect of story, and sort of dropped most of the horror aspect of it. The first Evil Dead is really, when you think about it, out there on its own. It has nothing to do with the other two. The only connection is Bruce, and his character is still named Ash. Whew... Don't mean to prattle. Anyways, not sure if I got it all right, or if I'm even close... 'Suppose no one can say for sure, except maybe Bruce and Sam. But, in any event, this is how I heard it. I hope this didn't confuse you even more.
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Is there anywhere else that is convering Cinevegas? The official Cinevegas site doesn't really seem to update at all. I would figure with Harry actually being a judge there would be more coverage here, although actually taking in 4 films a day and then writing up reviews would be something that would probably be pretty close to impossible to stay on top of. I still hope Harry is getting out to see most if not all the films there before judging. I'm concerned that he is seeing Bubba twice and Casino while there, and might be missing out on some of the smaller films. I hope he is paying attention to what he should actually be doing there, which is making sure he is capable of making a fair decision on the best films. I know he was at 24-Hour Party People, are we going to see a review of that? Can anyone tell me more about the audience awards? They didn't hand out ballots at 24-Hour, so I am guessing that isn't up for the audience competition. No ballots at Visitor Q either. Is the audience award given out at the same time as the official awards? I wasn't able to see Bubba, which sounds like I missed something good(word of mouth around the fest was very good, so its not just Harry saying that). So far I've thought Gigantic was the best thing I've seen, but Specimen and Cheifs were also really good. Its nice being able to see high quality documentaries in theaters. 24-Hour Party People was up and down. Visitor Q was fucked up. Not necessarily good or bad, but a real experience and a total mind fuck. Draftdogers was fairly dull, and I didn't make it in time to see the preceeding short, which sounded like it was better than the feature. Cul De Sac had fascinating material, but it dragged and wasn't presented as well as it should have been. The first shorts series was about what you would expect, nothing blew me away and nothing was particuarly awful. Unfortunatly I have to work and go to school and have a cold, so I can't get to everything I want to see. I'm hoping to see some reviews on Design, as that sounded interesting but the cold kept me away. About half of the films seem to have Q&A's following the screenings and most of those have been cut too short. One of the Giants was at Gigantic, and the fighter from Specimen was at that screening.
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He never actually left. And the other talkbackers who stated that Evil Dead 2 is a remake of Evil Dead are PARTIALLY right. The first ten minutes or so of Evil Dead 2 comprise a remake of the first film, minus the other characters. The actual proper beginning of the movie (after the flashback) picks up right where the first film left off...with Ash being attacked by that growling unseen thing in the woods. So really, he never got away from the cabin between movies. And as to those discussing the different "Army of Darkness" endings: I agree that the theatrical one is the funnier of the two. However, I feel that the director's cut ending is more in keeping with Bruce Campbell's characterization of Ash as a complete dumbass. And if you disagree with that assessment, just listen to Bruce's audio commentary. He really does see Ash that way.
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Classic Ash, baby. Care to guess which ending I prefer? While we're on the subject, and I hate to sound like a resourceless fool, but does anyone know i fthe original ending is on that new DVD. I want the goodies on that new one, but from the descriprtion on the box I don't think the ending is there. Little help maybe?
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If you want the director's cut with the original ending, plus a bunch of extras, see if you can find the double-disc Army of Darkness special edition. It has BOTH cuts of the film, audio commentaries, the original opening, blah blah blah. I don't know if it's available anymore, but I know they came out with a stripped-down version afterward that just had the director's cut of the movie and not much else.
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St.B, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I don't think the 2nd film has anything to do with the first film whatsoever except that it's a remake that reuses one of the characters. You think that first 5 to 10 minutes of setup where Ash and Girlfriend are shown having goodtimes is a flashback? That's a curious theory. Never heard that one. Does Raimi or Campbell or someone else say this in an interview or commentary somewhere? It seems to me that it is just semi-rushed exposition. A quick set-up before the fun ensues. They arrive at the cabin by themselves. They have their little nicey, nicey moment, and then bam. There's only ever the two characters, the one car, and archaeologist family... And the extra kills they pick up on the road- Bobby Joe and that other yuck. Nothing is ever mentioned about any of the characters from the first, and why would he still be just hanging around that cabin with a car that's not wrecked in the woods, happy as the day he was born, and with a new girlfriend to boot? Just doesn't add up. Also, why would he notice everything all over again? For example, the book, the recorder, the bridge being out, etc., etc. It seems more likely that it was simply a remake of the first. It stands on its own. And it's the prequel for Armies and other film to come. The original Evil Dead is a classic, but its not part of the series. I think we were just always suppose to act as if the first one never happened when watching the 2nd and 3rd one. If that makes any since. A lot of Horror franchizes have pulled that card. Think of Friday the 13th part 3, and Halloween 4 through 6. Of course it's hard to think of those because they sucked. There were different motivations for ignoring those. I just wanted to point out that it's been done before. And I honestly think the first is separate from the rest in the world of Evil Dead. Of course if you can point me where someone refutes what I'm saying, I'd be happy to eat my words. I've never heard that explanation of yours... I'm curious to know where you got this idea.
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Jun 14, 2002 2:22:15 PM CDT
I seem to remember some comments on the Evil Dead 2 dvd
by otis von zipper
During the opening sequence when Ash and gf are driving to the cabin, someone on the commentary track explains how they intended to relate the 2nd film to 1st. Basically, the first 20 minutes or so is a re-make of the original Evil Dead with the 2 other characters removed.
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if we are to discount the events of the first. One of the immensley satisfying elements of "Hail to the King", the playstation game, is that Ash is set up as sort of a horror superhero, and is let loose in many evironments that are borrowed from other classics, like "Texas Chainsaw" and "Friday the 13th". It also eventually leads back to the medieval setting from Army. Unfortunatley it ends there; no post apocalypse. I hate to rant about a video game, but if you love Evil Dead, you really owe it to yourself to check it out. Plus there's a button for "one liners", and Bruce himself was heavilly involved. Sadly, there isnt a Playsation2 version that I know of.
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Jun 14, 2002 3:14:54 PM CDT
I see your point Ocho, and huh... Also, to some of you last few
by halloween68
Yeah, I guess if you think of it that way, only counting the plot of the series, there are only the two. So Armies would be part 2 even though it's 3. He, he. My brain hurts. Also, Ocho, Hail To The King is a Playstation2 game. What game are you referring to? And on what platform? Curious... I asked this before. Did you ever play Blood? That was a kickbutt PC game. Reminded me a whole hell of a lot of Evil Dead. Gory, violent, and funny as hell. The main character spouts out one-liners same as Bruce. ***So, if what you guys are saying was said about the beginning of Evil Dead 2 is true... Well, that just makes no sense. Come on, think about. It's still a remake. Not a single thing from the first film has any bearing on the other two films. Different characters, different circumstances, different motivation... Etc., etc., etc. No matter how you look at it's still no more or no less than Raimi and crew trying to capitalize off reaction to the humor in the first film. He redid the thing and made it funnier. I'm extremely confused now. How can be a remake yet not be a remake? How can it be that they reshot the first few scenes of the movie but didn't do a reshoot of the rest of the scenes of the movie when it was all new footage. Ow, ow. Once again, my brain hurts. I still say it's more or less a spoof of the first film.
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...they must have gone ahead and made a version for Playstation2, because I only own the original playstation, and I own the game so there you go. I wonder if the PS2 version is better? I don't follow the gaming world too closely, so it's no surprise I got my info wrong. I tend to own outdated gaming systems that I buy for cheap from my gamer friends who are upgrading. I even owned Atari Jaguar, just for the Aliens vs. Predator Doom ripoff in the mid 90's. Lateley I've delved into PC gaming, mcGee's Alice being my all time favorite. haven't payed Blood, but it sounds fun. as for the Evil Dead continuity issue, I guess it's something we'll all have to live with. But man, if they make post apocalyptic Evil Dead(3)4, all is forgiven!
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No worries. I'm right there with you. I never really thought about it. But the continuity thing is extremely confusing when you do think about it. But that's always been my motto... Don't think unless you absolutely have to. He, he. As for the game. Your not wrong, and I didn't mean to suggest you were. I just wasn't aware that there was a Hail To The King game other than the PS2 version. I've had a regular playstation for years. If I'd have known that a version existed for that, I'd have gotten it when it was first released. Wasn't aware. When did it come out? The PS2 one was one of the first games to come out for PS2 and it has a trailer for it on one of the more recent special edition Evil Dead II DVDs. So I guess it makes the PS2 one a little over a year old. Anyways, that Alice game is pretty cool you were talking about. You know, Wes Craven is supposedly making an all cgi version film of that. I'm guessing it'll be like the game plot but with the animation of shrek. I'm pretty excited about it. The game is demented as hell. And yes, here's to more Evil Dead sequels. I guess that's my other motto.
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Dont worry, I'm not one of those dorks who get bent outta shape about anything anyone says to me in a post... as far as i know, the PS version of "hail to the King" came out around the same time as PS2 debuted. They probably released it for both platforms simultaneously. There are some drawbacks to the game...for instance the game controls the camera angle, and it changes from screen to screen. Thats a bit annoying, but other than that its good fun. Oh, & I heard about Craven's cgi Alice, right here at AICN in fact. Milla Jovovich is rumored to be involved, which I'm sure you know. Apparentlty, McGee is now developing a similar game to Alice, this time using the Wizard of Oz as the backdrop! I'm assuming it will be called "Dorothy". Anyway, sounds promising. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
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First of all, it's "Army" of Darkness not "Armies". Secondly, it has been stated numerous times that Raimi couldn't get his hands on he footage from
Evil Dead so he just tried to recap the first movie as quickly as possible so all the people who had not seen The Evil Dead would know
what the hell was going on. Raimi himself has said Evil Dead 2 is not a remake of the original. Third, to the ass that asked why he goes back to the cabin. Have you even seen the movie? After he finds out that the bridge is destroyed the sun goes down (in record time) and the evil entity starts chasing him again. He goes back to get away. Fourth, "Hail to the King" sucked. They are almost done the second game, "A Fistfull of Boomstick" and have made huge improvements, making it more like the "Resident Evil" games. Fifth, yes Bruce is GOD. I asked him and he told me so. -
I asked why Ash returns to the cabin at the BEGINNING of Evil Dead2, as in, if the events of the first film actually do take place, as you stated, why does he go back to the cabin to begin with? And if its a summary, where are the other characters? Maybe if you turned down your Korn and Limp Bizkit cd's for a moment and pulled your head out of your ass, you wouldn't miss out on the details. Im sorry that you have to live in America's attic, but don't take your angst out on me, hoser.
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Too bad you can't discuss differences of opinion without resorting to slinging nationalistic barbs. "America's attic"? Fuck, grow up, you're not the centre of the universe. If you choose to attack a poster based on their country of origin, it makes you just as big a "hoser" as the writer of the post you are responding to. And by the way, the only people who use the word "hoser" are silly Americans who have watched too many reruns of SCTV on the wasteland of late-night cable TV. Let the hurling of rocks and garbage begin...
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I clicked on the response to my first post very curious as to why in fact I am an idiot. See, talkback can be fun when you get into little spats about who's right and who's not so right. Wow, was I disapointed. Your first question was the same one I answered. What are you missing? The scene I described in fact takes place at the beginning of Evil Dead 2 and explains why Ash goes back to the cabin. Up to that point in the movie this is what has been summed up for any body that missed the first one (and there was alot at the time) 1.Ash and girlfriend go to cabin for little getaway. 2.Discovery of Book of the Dead. 3.Girlfriend becomes demon. 4.Ash kills girlfriend a few times. 5.Evil force likes to bum rush Ash. 6.Bridge is gone, there is no escape (that we know of yet). Do you really think it was possible to go through every single thing that happened in the first movie without actually using the original footage? The only thing not true to the original is those first 10 minutes or so, the rest of the movie is the sequal. If you look back at "Army", Raimi did the same thing. At the end of part 2 Ash blows away the flying demon and is hailed as the king, a moment in history that was documented in the book earlier in the movie. At the beginning of part three Ash is taken as a slave and has to prove his geatness by killing the pit bitch. It's just Raimi having fun with his own stories. Now getting to your Korn comment, I just don't understand it. It refers to nothing I said and has nothing to do with anything you were trying to prove. The "attic" statment was funny, but still fails to relate to any point you were getting to. Unless your point was "this guy called me ass so he is really dumb and he listens to dumb music and he's canadian so now he's not equal to me in that he's really, really dumb". In looking back there was proof of idiotic talkback. The only thing you proved was where it was coming from. Eh?
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...because you seemed to misunderstand my original post, and called me an ass for asking a legitimate, decidedly unmoronic question. Several civil posters answered my question, and enjoyable speculation ensued, until you, Canadian Psycho, had to come in and proclaim us all jerks for even discussing it. Face it, you were just being a dick, you wanted some attention, and I stupidly responded to you. As for the pc thug who called me nationalistic or whatever, fine. You've got me pegged. Too much SCTV, that's me. The fact is, I really have no beef with Canada or canadians. "Hoser" is OBVIOUSLY an outdated term and about as offensive as rice chex cereal. This guy was riding my jock, so I playfully mocked his Canadian moniker, rather than resort to the prerequisite "fag" insults you usually read around here. The Korn/Limp Bizkit reference was perhaps speculation on my part. I tend to assume anyone who behaves like an asshole listens to that swill. Usually I'm right.
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THANK YOU for being so clear, concise, and correct! Hello, all you wannabe die-hard Bruce Campbell fans - you know who you are - you're the ones who haven't read his absolutely hilarious book. Don't correct people who know what they're talking about unless YOU know what YOU'RE talking about.
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Canadian Psycho is correct. In the commentary for ED2 Sam Raimi explains that there were some difficulties getting the original footage for a recap of ED, so they reshot it in the form you see today. The other characters weren't there because they really weren't necessary, if you think about it. Remember at the end of ED when The Force crashes through the house and slams into Ash? That happens again about 10 minutes into ED2. It's a recap, not a remake. Same thing with Army, though they were able to get some footage from ED 2 to incorporate into the finished product. Thanks for your time!
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Sam Raimi is most certainly NOT "over"! If you ask me, he's just getting started. Not that you did. Ask me, I mean. The point is, when was the last time you saw a comic book adaptation that so passionately adhered to the spirit of the original comics? Cinema isn't all about cool shots. (Though cool shots are neat and crunchy)Just you wait. Raimi's going to knock you on your ass with the sequel.
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