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CG muscles in KING CONAN'

Hey folks, Harry here... This really wouldn't surprise me too much if it comes to pass. Right now, ILM is redefining photorealistic musculature and skin on THE HULK. With their work on digital make up that they used in THE MUMMY and THE MUMMY RETURNS, they are no doubt being asked about enhancements to Arnie or another player in KING CONAN, but frankly... it has to be Arnold. At 55, he's more fit than most likely 99% of the people in the world, but given the enormous size he once had, and the awesome physique he had in the original CONAN THE BARBARIAN, which he has changed from... quite a bit, this could be a way for Arnie to play the character from the great age range that the script calls for. Literally 25 to 35 years pass over the course of KING CONAN (at least in the first draft!) and he is supposed to have gone a little soft as King, which is perfect for modern Arnie... but the CONAN in his prime? I could see how they would need to ask about enhancements. I'm sure we'll hear more on this rumor...

Word is, ILM was asked by people tied to King Conan if it is possible to use CGI to enhance the size and definition of muscles on the body. I dont want speculate but it sounds like an aging Arnold is getting a muscle makeover with CGI.

Steve Reeves

I have been informed by a reader that says that Arnold has the exact same measurements that he had in his mid-thirties. But while occupying the same space, do they have the definition they did then? That is what secret agent Steve Reeves was talking about afterall. (BTW - that name was the name i gave the spy, so he wouldn't get in trouble.)

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  • June 6, 2002, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Totally Ripped!

    by Wirespeed

    "Two snakes over a black Moooon!

  • June 6, 2002, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Conan the Barbarian

    by joeypogi

    i don't care if his muscles are CGI (well, okay, i do) what is more important is if the movie will do justice to the story. Conan the Barbarian is one of my favorite stories of all time. And so I hope the movie does good. But judging from the track record of Hollywood nowadays with all its market research and bad storytelling, the movie will come up short.

  • June 6, 2002, 5:57 a.m. CST

    You gullible morons....

    by Splinter

    Why don't people listen to themselves? The majority of you claim to think CG looks fake, and yet will accept the notion of a real person having CG muscles added in post....have you any IDEA how bad and obvious that will look? This is about as a likely as Terminator III being any good. Fucking 55-year old Terminator - give me a break. Imagine the scene....the Terminator design-centre at SkyNet, sometime in the next couple of decades...Robo-Designer No. 1 "I have created the template for the new T-100 Terminator." Robo-Supervisor - "Let's have a look"....An old, haggard Terminator is wheeled out. Robo Supervisor - "What the fuck is this? Why did you make him old?" Robo-Designer No. 1 (panicking) "ummmmm....well, you see....ehhhh he's designed to ummmmmm ...infiltrate Bingo Halls! Yes! Thats it! His mission involves playing bingo and he can't be conspicuous!" *breathes a sigh of relief* Robo-Supervisor - "You're fired. Get. Out.".

  • June 6, 2002, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Why not...

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    Just digitally graft Arnie's head onto Steve Reeve's body from a few old swords n' sandals epics.

  • June 6, 2002, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Steve Reeves?

    by series six

    This story is funny. And I'd bet completly made up. First, I think somebody would have thought of this before the papers were signed. Also it doesn't seem to worry the T3 people, naked time travel bit and all. Lastly, look at the name of the writer of the article. Steve Reeves was THE body builder before Arnie. He even made movies.

  • June 6, 2002, 6:04 a.m. CST

    "We could catch an old Steve Reeves movie"

    by Buck Teeth Soh

    Blimey, didn't even notice the nametag. I was thinking of Rocky Horror.

  • June 6, 2002, 7:50 a.m. CST

    I'd like to thank Moriarty.

    by Cash Bailey

    He single-handedly re-kindled my love for CONAN THE BARBARIAN with his writings about it over the last couple of years. It was a movie I saw and loved many years ago but seemed to forget, but thanks to Mori I went back and watched it again and it's now one of my favourite 'rainy day' films. I went and bought Poledouris's transcendent score and pray to Crom that he gets the gig on KING CONAN. And I also pray that Frazetta does the most ball-tearing piece of poster art of all time. None of that 'half faces' crap.

  • June 6, 2002, 8:08 a.m. CST

    CG Conan could happen

    by bladewalk

    I admit CG looks fake when composited with live action, but it's still possible to have a cool looking buffed Arnie in King Conan. If I was directing it I would have Arnie's chest covered for most of the time, occasionally use body doubles and then use the CG when Arnie was far away or moving fast so nobody would really notice the CG.

  • June 6, 2002, 8:29 a.m. CST

    yeah, and CGI monkeys will fly out my butt

    by durhay

    I say just fill an oversized shirt with balloons. They'll have to increase the volume to cover the sounds of all the squeeking when he flexes, as well as add enough hair gel to keep his hair rising due to static electricity, but it's doable.

  • June 6, 2002, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I just saw Ah-nult...

    by Smilin'Jack Ruby

    ...on the set of T3 and he is HUGE and RIPPED like he hasn't been in awhile. I think CG muscles is silly and I can't believe anyone would really want such a thing (except, potentially, for early scenes in the movie as the story takes place over decades). Sounds like a long shot, but I don't think Arnold, in his current condition, needs any enhancement for the part of the pic where he really is supposed to be the "older" Conan.

  • Geeez, what an idea. Not that it would reek like that CGI they did for the Scorpion King in the climax of The Mummy Returns, but CGIed muscles on a real live actor? Shit, I believe in what Smilin' Jack Ruby said about Arnold. I don't think they need this CGI nonsense.

  • June 6, 2002, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I've got an idea...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...and it's a lot cheaper thatn using CGI. Just give Arnie one of those t-shirts with the muscle tone printed on it. Problem solved! sk

  • June 6, 2002, 9:47 a.m. CST

    When 55 years old you are, look as good you will not.

    by rabid_republican

    Ah-nuhlt is a lotta things, but one thing he's not is out of shape. Say what you will about his age, but the last thing this cat needs is CG muscles. He should do King Conan as is. Just make some script changes for the passage of years. It's still Arnie in the role for which we all loved originally. So let's do this right for cryin' out loud.

  • June 6, 2002, 10:30 a.m. CST

    This is a stupid

    by IAmLegolas

    If Conan was real and was in his 50s, wouldn't his muscles end up looking like Ahnold's right now? Anyway, enhancing people with CGI is stupid (unless it's meant to be cartoony like THE MASK). Anyone else notice Christopher Lee's head CGI'd to some other dudes during the his lightsaber battle at the end of Clones? I've only seen it once and it was obvious enough to me! David Prowse has been bitchin' in the papers about wanting to play Darth Vader again, even though he's only and has numerous health problems. He cited that C. Lee was old too and look at him swinging that lightsaber. Newsflash, it wasn't him!

  • June 6, 2002, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Besides....

    by IAmLegolas

    doesn't Ahnold has enough time, money and energy to hit the gym extensively to get back into his former shape?

  • June 6, 2002, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Me Fail English, That's Unpossible

    by IAmLegolas

    My previous post should have read "...head CGI'd to some other dude's BODY during his lightsaber battle at the end of Clones?" ------and "...even though he's OLD and has numerous health problems."

  • June 6, 2002, 11:25 a.m. CST

    AH-Nuld can pull it off just fine...

    by rumpieguy

    Just take a look at Hulk Hogan...that guy looks as if someone stuck a 60 year old head on a 30 something body. Ah-Nuld was Mr Olympia for crying out loud...he can pull it off. No question.

  • June 6, 2002, 11:30 a.m. CST

    C'mon now, give Arnold some credit. He's a seven time Mr

    by Joe Zombie

    I think if anyone could actually pull off getting in proper shape, it would be him. He's working on T3 now, so u already know he has been working out like a madman to become a KILLING MACHINE once again. The man is OLDER, but I'm sure he makes more than all of us look like little girls next to him already. Plus with all the LEGAL, and ILLEGAL supplements floating around there, it would be no thing for him to get back up to speed. As for getting that ripped look, he would just have to take some water pills to give him more definition in his muscles. I think the use of CGI can be a benefit for film, but I think in this case it would be taking it a lil far. Pretty soon we are gonna have alot of OUT OF SHAPE action starts running for there CGI makeover. Is nothing sacred anymore? If you are gonna be an action hero, at least LOOK THE PART.

  • June 6, 2002, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Arnie is old, Conan is old... so where's the problem?

    by AnotherThief

  • June 6, 2002, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Oh Please!

    by DukeTheBastard

    What a load of bollocks! Arnold can pump himself up huge if he wants and he will. That has got to be the most stupid made up rumour ever created! FUCKING COCKSUCKERS!

  • June 6, 2002, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Just think what CGI enhancement could do for a guy in the Porn b

    by Lezbo Milk

    The mind reels!

  • June 6, 2002, 1:15 p.m. CST

    You guys don't lift too many weights huh?

    by locke1230s

  • June 6, 2002, 1:31 p.m. CST

    "Maria, my mighty heart is breaking...I'll be in the HumVee"

    by Pepper Sinclaire

    Why not rip out the stuffing from someone's sofa and glue it to Ah-nuld, then paint it pink? CGI is not the answer for everything! Physical effects rule, well, except Bane in the Batman movie... but you get the idea. Where's Screaming Mad George when you need him? P$

  • June 6, 2002, 1:36 p.m. CST

    it could just be for a section only

    by Antiriad

    basically between the past and present which would be present day Ahn-uld Btw, the Special Edition DVD of Predator rocks!

  • June 6, 2002, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Same Measurements?

    by WoodyStiffer

    What kind of idiot looks at Terminator 1, Predator, or Conan, then at Arnold now and realistically thinks Schwarzenegger has the same dimensions in his fifties that he had when he was in his early to mid thirties? The only measurement that remains the same is his height. He's drastically smaller than he was then. I personally don't care what they do with King Conan, but I don't see Arnold looking like Conan at all without some serious help (the CG talk is completely bogus) - maybe he'll be wearing lots of animal furs and kingly clothing in every scene and the movie will largely focus on Conan's two sons - who knows?

  • June 6, 2002, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Casting

    by WoodyStiffer

    I hate these kinds of posts - but I'm going to do it anyway - if we're nominating casting choices for Conan's sons (if they're even in the film) - a good choice would be Roland Kickinger - who looks alot like Arnold and is also from Austria.

  • June 6, 2002, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Splinter - Good Post

    by WoodyStiffer

    Sometimes people should just admit that a sequel is past it's time without someone new taking over the role. It really is ridiculous to think that someone would design an old terminator. It's kind of akin to the thought of a fourth Indiana Jones installment - in which I'm sure Harrison will have a 20 year old woman as his love interest!

  • June 6, 2002, 1:58 p.m. CST

    bullshit

    by VincentSpain

    Conan charachter is older in this movie, so his body must be older too

  • June 6, 2002, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Actually, CGI has been used in porn...

    by Morty Viventi

    The Virtual Sex DVDs apparently have fake cgi "money shots". *ahem*

  • June 6, 2002, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Conan

    by Skaetur

    How many movies have ripped off the score from Barbarian?

  • June 6, 2002, 2:24 p.m. CST

    A stupid idea

    by Eternal

    CGI muscles? Yeah right, that fucking cracks me up. But in a way I guess this is just the shape of things to come. Who knows what these idiots will try to do when CGI achieves total photo-realism? At one point, I was kind of excited that greedy bastard ego-maniac actors might eventually be replaced by CGI, but then I thought about it for a sec and realized that it ain't so good. You'd be at the mercy of directors and animators that're only interested in their own field and movies would suffer with no 'real' actor to inject life into the role - kinda like that CGI whore Lucas who I'm sure would prefer to work with CGI 'actors' - they won't argue back and tell him how much he sucks... Anyhow, I think the use of CGI should be toned down a little. A state of CGI madness exists at present and films are sucking bad as a result. If you can't make things look at least semi-realistic then don't bother at all. I'd rather have less FX of a believable nature than a massive amount of FX that is so fake it looks like a damn cartoon... Btw, when are John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart, and all the other dead actors gonna be resurrected? It's only a matter of time. Who cares about these modern day fuckers? Let's use the old classic actors! CGI makes that possible.

  • June 6, 2002, 2:30 p.m. CST

    bollox

    by cockknocker

    The greatest bodybuilder in history doesn't need fucking cgi help, this is bullshit. I cant believe AICN believes this crap sent to them by some schwarzenegger hater taking the piss.

  • June 6, 2002, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Milius would have Schwarzenegger in a gym 12 hours a day/5 days

    by Blue Devil

    Come on, people! You know Milius would not partake in any trickery of that sort. If anything, the CG muscles would go on some bad guy or creature made to look human. John is one of the few filmmakers left that like things to look real, not CG "real".

  • June 6, 2002, 2:58 p.m. CST

    conan movies

    by fun guy

    I hope they don't fuck this one up like conan the destroyer. That movie was horrible and I try to pretend it don't exist. cgi muscles would really be a bad idea. the beauty of conan the barbarian is the belief that good fantasy must be firmly rooted in reality. they should also strive to make the movie look and feel like the same world in which 'barbarian' took place. Too much in the special effects department will ruin this. This we have learned from Star Wars.

  • June 6, 2002, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Conan is not a gym rat- he's a barbarian.

    by Hawq

    Why does Conan have to be extra muscular? I was into the original REH stories a few years before the first movie came out, and I never pictured Conan as having a "Mr. Universe" type freakish body. That's totally ridiculous. He's supposed to be unusually big and muscular for his time, but his body should be more realistic- like he got that way from his barbarian heretige and leading a barbarian lifestyle, not by spending 6 hours a day in a gym and shooting up steroids. A guy leading Conan's lifestyle would not have 3% body fat. I remember hearing the director of that piece-of-crap second movie had told Arnie to bulk up even more, because he wanted him to look more like the comic books. That bit of info gave me a big clue that the movie would suck, and we all know it did. This should not be the comic book Conan- it should be the gritty and real Robert E. Howard/Frazetta's Conan!!! I can understand not changing Arnold's eye color, but why don't they at least give him black hair, like Conan is supposed to have? He should also have hair on his chest, like a real fucking barbarian.

  • June 6, 2002, 3:10 p.m. CST

    CG, Muscle Aren't Nothing!

    by Boss1

    I heard Christopher Reeves is reprising his role as Superman. His whole body will be CG only his head will be real! And I heard it looks GREAT ;p

  • June 6, 2002, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I think we all agree

    by Hawq

    Seems like everyone here agrees that we would like to see a realistic looking down-and-dirty Conan movie, instead of overly comic bookish/CGI'd one. I think Milius will try to do what's right... I just hope the producers let him do it his way. If someone started a petition, I would definitely sign it. ***BTW- does Arnold have plastic pec implants, or is that just a rumor?

  • June 6, 2002, 3:25 p.m. CST

    eating is NOT cheating....

    by donaldsutherland

    i just can't get over the fact that PREMIER magazine printed that article relaying the incident during which arnold, doing his impression of blade II, proclaims that "eating is not cheating" when he gets caught in the act.....it makes me laugh.

  • June 6, 2002, 5:43 p.m. CST

    maybe it's not for Arnold...

    by Doc Brown

    The article never said the muscle CGI was for Arnold (or even the King Conan movie at all, just people connected to it). Maybe the CIG muscles are for some shirtless army or a villain. I think they have enough sense to not give Arnold of all people CGI muscle.

  • June 6, 2002, 6:31 p.m. CST

    C.G. Moschuls Mein Ribbed Vhite Asch!

    by Buzz Maverik

    Dey ah nodt gettink ein computah anyvheah neah mein moschuls. Foah vun ting, dey dit nod habe Nauchtuhlaus oah Solahflechs in der Hyboahriuhn Ache! Ven I fuhst playdt Conan, Chon Milius ascht me to train down so I vouldn't loog lige ein bodtybuilduh but ein schtrong man who vorked hardt und foudt hardt. I vorked ouht mit lightuh veighdts und highah rebs, cudt ouhdt redt meadt und ate moah chicken und tuna und saladts. Und Milus kept me dresched moscht ob der time so it vouldn't loog like some cheab Schtebe Reebes moobie. Ven we did CONAN DER DESCHTROYAH, now dat vas ein cheab Schtebe Reebes moobie. Do you lige Gladiatuh moobies, Billy?

  • June 6, 2002, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Ya, Ralph Moeller is tha bomb yo!

    by Z0D

    That dude is built! He should carry on the 'big and bulky' roles Arnold and Sly had in the 80s. He was pretty good in Gladiator, and in Conan TV I saw him do adequately.--------------As for CGI on enhancing muscles...what retarded crap. King Conan and Arnold are one in the same. Since the story is 30 or so years in the future, Arnold's age should reflect Conan's age. If this film gets made with a cool story, I can't wait! ___---KNEEL---___

  • June 6, 2002, 10:40 p.m. CST

    IGN FilmForce refutes this "news"

    by Stormy411

    http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/361/361618p1.html

  • June 6, 2002, 11:32 p.m. CST

    About Damn Time...

    by Conan_the_Humble

    At least there's news about King Conan, even if it is rubbish. I know Arnold's in his early fifties, but leading the oh so busy life of a Movie Star, I'm sure he could have enough spare time on his hands to really get back in shape if he wanted to... Hayden CHRISTENSEN is supposedly spending the next 12 months or so getting big enough to play Darth Vader, I don't see why the greatest bodybuilder of all time couldn't. Cheers.

  • June 7, 2002, 12:26 a.m. CST

    ok, this one is complete bullshit.

    by Tall_Boy

    I mean...jesus christ!

  • June 7, 2002, 8:34 a.m. CST

    CGI?Conan?

    by BrianBoru

    Arnie will be in shape,no doubt. John Milius doesn't know his @$$ from his elbow when it comes to Conan, his perversion of Robert E. Howard's Conan is criminal.

  • June 7, 2002, 3:53 p.m. CST

    CGI Conan

    by SinfulAngel

    ILM using CGI on Conan. Smells like George Lucas' work and you know what that can do to a movie.

  • June 7, 2002, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Conan????? Why??????

    by Russman

    Jesus, you mean to tell me there are people who care about this??? It'll flop, fugetaboutit! It's dead. The 80s are gone folks. They should just let it be and move on to something new.

  • June 9, 2002, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Real Muscles should be intelligent and talk.

    by JAGUART

    Nuff said'

  • Oct. 13, 2002, 3 a.m. CST

    i don't care

    by Scrooge_MacDuck

    i don't care what they do as long as this movies meets three pre reqs 1. it HAS to be rated R has too no pg 14 lets get a bigger audience and ruin the whole series crap. 2. folow the ORIGINAL conan charecter none of this updated TOR books stuff hes a violent ,drunken, grizzeled as hell womanizing death machine 3. no fur gonchies,

  • July 9, 2003, 5:04 p.m. CST

    King Conan

    by joevader

    CGI muscles on Arnold? This has to be a joke? Anybody see him in T3? He's got muscles in his crap! Come on! He should be a brooding, boozing, brawling one man train wreck! They were never able to capture this in the earlier movies. Remember the scene where the followers of Doom grab him, and overpower him? Where were the flinging bodies, twisted limbs and shattered spines of those that dared to lay hands on my beloved Cimmerian? Keep him nasty!!!!