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CANNES: NoZeanderthal gives a detailed breakdown of the GANGS OF NEW YORK footage screened!
Hey folks, Harry here... After watching that High Quality Quicktime Trailer for GANGS OF NEW YORK and reading NoZeanderthal's report on the footage shown at Cannes, I'm ready. String this movie up now! I mean right now, let's go, let's put this up on screen yesterday. Here ya go...
K. Lady Luck sure has been kind these past few weeks. There was a special screening of the 20 minutes of Scorcese's Gangs of New York. Well, let me be truthful..17 minutes. I walked in late (forgiveness...please), but I still have so much to tell you. Here is a rundown, scene by scene of what I saw.
Daniel Day Lewis plays Mr. Cutter. From what I could tell, he is the man around town. Very powerful. he is also a butcher. The first scene has Cutter showing Vallon (Leo) how to kill what looked like a cow. (it was already dead)
We see Vallon standing on the street. He sees Jenny coming towards him and he tells her not to touch him. SHe does anyway and he finds that she stole something from him. He chases after her.
Vallon confronts Jenny in an alleyway and demands his medal back. There is some sexual tension as he tells her he could take everything from her.
Jenny and Vallon are on the dock getting ready for some loving. He notices a necklace and asks where she got it from. She says it was a gift from Cutter. LEarning this, Vallon refuses to sleep with her. He doesnt want Cutter's leftovers.
Cutter is on the docks watching immigrants come off the boats. Boss Tweed (Broadbent) is asking Cutter to help him use immigrants for labor and make New York stronger. Cutter refuses due to his hate of immigrants. Tweed tells him that his love for fighting will be his downfall.
Cutter and Vallon are sitting drunk and beaten in a bar.
Vallon attacks Jenny for being a slut. They fight and she bites him which leads to them kissing and then the sweet lovin.
Vallon wakes up to find Cutter sitting at the foot of the bed draped in an American Flag. Cutter tells about the last decent man he killed then tells Vallon he considers him a son.
One of Cutter's henchmen tells him who Vallon really is (the son of one of Cutter's enemies...im guessing). Cutter refuses to believe it at first, getting violent, then starts to understand.
Cutter performing for a large crowd of wealthy new yorkers. He performs a knife throwing routine with Jenny purposfully almost hitting her on every throw. His last throw goes for her neck and slices it slightly. Vallon is ver disturbed by this but considers it all part of the show.
Boss Tweed asks Vallon to join him and fight against Cutter.
Vallon realizes there are enough Irish in New York to fight Cutter and begins bringing them together.
Its raining and night. The Irish are gathered outside what looks to be a church being built. They are holding torches candles and pitchforks. Cutter is leading another gang towards them. They stop, mere feat away from each other. Cutter spits on the ground and turns his gang around and walks away.
Here starts a collage of scenes with some music (temp i think). There are scenes of a celebration when slavery is abolished. fighting. parties. union army marching into new york. army facing down street gangs. more fighting. lots of fighting. then the best scene is back in the place where cutter performed his knife show. we see him throw a clever in the air. as we watch it fly up we see vallon lying bloody and still on a table next to cutter. the screen goes black. we hear Vallon say
"Father. Give me the strength to do what I must."
And the title comes up. Gangs of New York.
Overall very nice, but slightly underwhelming until the collage. The film looks amazing. Absolutly beautiful. Diaz's accent. Not good. But I have enough faith in her as an actress to pull this off. Leo. Really good. Get over Titanic guys. This kid can act. He's not jsut being a pretty boy here. Daniel Day Lewis. The surprise. This guy was great. he made the 20 minutes of footage. I just want to watch him do his thing. Very sinister, but at the same time tragic. Great acting.
From what I gathered, Cutter killed Vallon's father (who it looks like is played by Liam Neeson) and now Vallon wants revenge. So overall. I was excited. It made me want to see this film more. Look foward. I think Marty is bringing us something that could be pretty special, but 17 minutes is hard to judge. Hopefully we'll be seeing more on this film to give us a better idea.
I am NoZeanderthal. And I'm out.
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Although he doesn't disappear after Cutter kills him.
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LOL. Gosh, I cannot wait to see this. I wish we could see the 20 minutes ourselves. Marty is so wonderful!
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i think this will rock, only stumbling point could be the believability of the accents but sometimes that doesn't matter. the script that i read online had the potential for some very cool scenes but seemed to limp along at times but if anyone can create a masterpiece from an average script its gonna be that man Marty. i'd like to know who plays Vallons best mate in the film any clues?
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CLEAVER not CLEVER
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Seems like it. Shoulda had a voiceover: "Coming soon from acclaimed director Martin Scorcese, 'Gangs of New York'. When New York is threatened by an unspeakable tyrant, only one man can unite the Irish against him - Titanic's Leonardo DiCaprio. An epic tale of love, duty, honour and the American Way in a time when a man had to forge his own way in America. Also starring Academy Award winner Daniel Day Lewis, Academy Award winner Jim Broadbent, Charlie's Angel's Cameron Diaz, and academy award nominee Qui Gonn Jinn. Gangs: coming to a cinema near you whenever it's just about Academy award time." The lobbying starts early with this one....
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And I can completely understand if the film isn't ready, but surely it is ready now? Why stick it in the Christmas slot? Is there something SO magical about Christmas? What about August? If the film is great, it doesn't matter when they release it. I don't want to wait and I am starting to lose interest. How long can we anticipate a film? (Please don't answer that)
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MrCere, why is any specific date chosen for a film? Why didn't Universal open A Beautiful Mind this past February? Why didn't Sony open Black Hawk Down in March or Ali in April? What's so magical about Christmas?
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The script is credited to Jay Cocks ("Age of Innocence"), Steve Zaillian (screenwriter god), and Kenneth Lonergan ("You Can Count On Me" has some of the best-written characters and dialogue of recent memory). The film stars Leonardo DiCaprio and Daniel Day-Lewis. With supporting performances by Jim Broadbent, John C. Reilly, Henry Thomas, Brendan Gleeson, and Liam Neeson. And it's Martin Scorsese's (our greatest director) biggest film ever, his dream project for twenty years. If this isn't the film you anticipate the most, you need to ask yourself some serious questions about your feelings for and understanding of cinema. Oh, and there's no way this is opening on Christmas, opposite "Catch Me If You Can". One of those has got to move, and I bet it's going to be "Gangs". Otherwise, this could be where the Miramax/Dreamworks rivalry finally comes to a head.
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Does He think hes IN the movie? Trying to kiss Martin Scorseses ass? I mean Chill out, its just a movie. Don't talk to the press if your just gonna act like an asshole. Yes Im not using a clean mouth either but Im not in front of the world Prss. They should give Weinstein a shot to the head. After all its Cannes not the Bronxz.
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May 25, 2002 6:55:43 AM CDT
Harvey was lashing out at Dick "builds his articles out of parti
by arnzilla
BTW, at the Cannes press conference, Harvey Weinstein said that "the reason we're going Christmas is, once again, it's an end of year kind of movie. With the way American movies distribute in America, it seems to fit very well into the plan."
In other words, my bologna has a first name...
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Arnzilla, the movie's been delayed over a year as Scorsese and Weinstein tussle over a releasable edit. Scorsese's proposed cut came in at something over four hours; Weinstein wanted it down to 2.5. Both have been smiling to the entertainment press while continuing to kick each others' shins under the table. It's an open secret that the budget on this thing is out of control. Given the nature of the personalities involved, I wouldn't be surprised if the two started slashing each others tires. My take: on the disaster scale, it rates at least a "1900," if not a "Heaven's Gate."
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CAN EVERYONE SAY HEAVENS GATE...LOL
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Scorsese once lamented that, at a period when he felt totally persecuted and helpless, he was going to move to Italy and make small-scale movies about the lives of the saints. I would love to see him do that, rather than have to play at the same table as the McG's and Michael Bays of the world--a game he is ill equipped for, and one that's not worth winning. Sort of like Coppola--who could make a dozen CONVERSATIONs now, but prefers to make RAINMAKERs and JACKs. The future belongs to me.
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They already agreed on the final running time: with closing credits, it'll probably be nearly 2 hours, 50 minutes. It was delayed becuase Marty wasn't finished. He still isn't; he has a couple more days of inserts to shoot when he returns from Cannes. The only person on Earth who thought Marty could release the film in time for Christmas of 2001 was apparently Harvey. You want a good or great Scorsese movie, you give him at least a year to edit. A Christmas 2001 release meant only 6 or 7 months. Ridiculous, especially for a film of this scale. Scorsese's "cut" never came in at 4 hours. You're being ignorant. BTW, Heaven's Gate cost $44 million and grossed $1.5 million. So get a clue. GONY is costing Miramax less than The Shipping News or Kate & Leopold. IEG's Graham King is the one on the hook for the majority of the dough. He's also the one who paid for all the parties, hotels, and private jets at Cannes. It's his ballgame and he's happy to play in the big leagues.
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May 26, 2002 1:15:02 AM CDT
Arnzilla, there was an article in the NY Times Arts section reha
by christopher3
Here's the abstract:
BUSINESS/FINANCIAL DESK | April 7, 2002, Sunday
2 Hollywood Titans Brawl Over a Gang Epic
By LAURA M. HOLSON (NYT) 1895 words
Late Edition - Final, Section 1, Page 1, Column 4
LEAD PARAGRAPH - Three years ago, Martin Scorsese, the New York director who has made street violence one of his signature traits, teamed up with Harvey Weinstein, co-chairman of Miramax Films and something of a street fighter himself. The goal was to make a stylized epic film about gang warfare in pre-Civil War Manhattan with enough mass appeal to score at the box office.
But the making of that movie, ''Gangs of New York,'' has turned into an epic of its own. Stars like Robert DeNiro and Willem Dafoe have come and gone. Costs have overshot the original budget by about 25 percent to soar above $100 million. Mr. Weinstein has fought for a streamlined, more commercial version. All the while, Mr. Scorsese has tried to stick to his artistic guns as the two have battled over taste and length.
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But from what I can recall from Holson's article, the animosity between Scorsese and Weinstein began about this time last year when Scorsese screened a 4+ hour cut of "Gangs" for Harvey. And $125 million is pretty bloody expensive.
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May 26, 2002 1:22:06 AM CDT
P.P.S. Cost of "Kate & Leopold": $48 mil. Cost of "Shipping Ne
by christopher3
Being right: priceless.
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That NY Times article is as topical as Nancy Kerrigan's kneecaps in the GONY timeline. A 3 hour, 40 minute "assemblage of footage" (according to the director), not a rough cut, was screened 7 months ago and Scorsese said that there's nothing in it that he misses. The 2 hours, 40 minutes and change cut to be released this December is the director's cut, and he should know. There will be no DVD special edition. There are three more current articles on GONY's making that you should read. Kim Masters wrote one in the July Esquire at http://www.esquire.com./features/articles/2002/020516_mfe_marty_1.html Rachel Abramowitz wrote one in the May 21st LA Times at http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-052102gangs.story and Josh Young wrote one in the current Entertainment Weekly at http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,238185~1~0~storybehindgangsof,00.html You can get a good idea of the numbers involved in the making of the film from these 3 articles. The official budget is $97 million and Kim Masters said that $115 is more likely the actual budget. Initial Entertainment Group paid $65-67 million for the foreign rights and Disney and Miramax split the rest. That's how the studio spent less on GONY than on those other two Miramax films. I first read about the IEG deal in Variety 3 years ago, so there was never any question about the limited financial risk of Miramax in GONY. Sony released a film last December that was also based in the past. It had with the same price tag, running time, and rating as GONY and it earned about $60 million domestically. It was deemed a commercial and artistic failure. If GONY fails, there's no reason to believe it will make less than Ali. If it succeeds, then it will do better, right? BTW, where did you get $125 million from? 25% of the original budget ($84 million) is $21 million. 84+21=105. Being right=priceless.
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Disregard all previous posts.
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Daniel and Leo are two of the best actors in american cinema today. period
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