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Today’s the last day of the TV season, and Joss Whedon, creator of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer, “ “Angel” and Fox’s upcoming “Firefly,” had some words for his fans at www.buffyupn.com’s Bronze:

Everything that's going to happen

Posted by: Joss - May 22, 2002, 1:56 AM

As people who have been around for a while know, I always like to get on the "net" and reveal aboslutely everything that's going to happen next year. That way, you don't spend all summer stressing. Here's the important points:

1) Buffy will become a "vampire slayer". I can't really explain what that means yet, 'cause Doug hasn't explained it to me. But it seems to point towards ADVENTURE!

2) Format change: from now on, the first half hour will be about Buffy FIGURING OUT what the monster is, and the second half hour will be about Sam Waterston PROSECUTING the monster.

3) We're easing back on the goats. There've been complaints.

4) Because of the coincidental movie name issue, we will no longer refer to the kids as the "Scooby" Gang. They will be known as the "Scooby Doo, The Film, Coming This Christmas To Your Local DVD Store" gang. Or possibly the "Sharks".

5) The gay thing is so passe. We're over that. But honestly, that's just the way Clem ACTS. We're having a talk.

6) A lot of people were confused at the end when Spike wanted his fish order changed. SOLE, people. Jeez. We HAVE a vampire with a SOUL, you think we're doing that again?

7) Cardigans, cardigans, cardigans.

pt II

Posted by: Joss - May 22, 2002, 1:56 AM

Okay, then. Feel a little weird about putting that all out there so soon, but I'm sure it was all gonna come out on Ain't-it-spoiled anyhoo, so.... (can you believe the lame fish joke? and I'm supposed to have THREE shows! Some's alseep at the wheel, me getting more shows...)

Soo... I guess there's not much more to say. 'CEPT: We're busting Ass (mostly Fury's, he volunteered, PLEASE don't ask) to put next year into shape and once again, I'm bursting with excitement. I'm not saying a damn thing (as per usual) but it's an exciting new arc and I may get to shoot a little bit of it in England... Next year we take it up a notch. Swear to the Sky Bully.

yours ever,

me (j)

exit me, pursued by bear

Posted by: Joss - May 22, 2002, 2:15 AM

There is no bear. That was a lie. But I am leaving. Just wanted to say thanks for watching, y'all come back, etc... also, I read occasionally that people haven't been as happy with this year (actually, I hear that every year), show's not the same... not from eveeryone, but it comes up, and I just wanna say this: Dis not th' Nox. Say not that I'm not into it, Marti's not getting it done, anything of that sort... Fact is, I'm in this show up to my neck always. Same With Angel and yup, Firefly too. And I've read that I've blown off one for the other -- He's over Buffy, Firefly is just a contractual obligation, he didn't even CREATE the Rockford Files, why's he taking credit for it... I've heard it all. And it ain't necessarily so. Marti (She of the great brain and great beauty) and I shaped this year very carefully, and while we made mistakes (as we do every year), we made our show. We explored what we wanted to, said what we meant. You don't have to like it, but don't think it comes from neglect. That would give me hurty feelings. Next year is gonna be the greatest challenge of my life, but I've got all three shows lined up thematically, i've got amazing writers and stupendous casts, I'm excited. It feels like the beginning. Joss, year one.

Just wait.

over the gay thing, revisited

Posted by: Joss - May 22, 2002, 2:27 AM

Thought I was out, but.... had one more thing to add. I killed Tara. Some of you may have been hurt by that. It very unlikely it was more painful to you than it was to me. I couldn't even discuss it in story meetings without getting upset, physically. Which is why I knew it was the right thing to do. Because stories, as I have so often said, are not about what we WANT. And I knew some people would be angry with me for destroying the only gay couple on the show, but the idea that I COULDN'T kill Tara because she was gay is as offensive to me as the idea that I DID kill her because she was gay. Willow's story was not about being gay. It was about weakness, addiction, loss... the way life hits you in the gut right when you think you're back on your feet. The course of true love never did run smooth, not on my show. (only Dennis Franz has suffered more than my characters.) I love Amber and she knows it. Eventually, this story will end for all of them. Hers ended sooner.

Or did it......?

Yeah, it did.





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  • May 22, 2002, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Joss Has Spoken

    by DefyThis

    Should I yell first? Well, two postings of Jokey Joss and two of Serious Joss. And the one I really dig is the last. He listened to the vast amount of hatred flying about on the kitten board I suppose. But it was good of him to own up and be honest about the Tara deal, and this gives me a glimmer of hope for season seven. I do still wish he had one fewer show though (that not being Buffy or Angel).

  • May 22, 2002, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Uh, what exactly the fuck did Joss say???

    by Rick McCallum

    Those posts were as incomprehendable as Harry's latest dinner-and-a-movie "reviews"! Doesn't Whedon have better things to do than post useless "cute" messages online that tell us absolutely nothing? Like, um, I dunno, getting his core series, Buffy, back on track for next season? Crazy-ass idea I know.

  • May 22, 2002, 9:15 p.m. CST

    BUFFY MAY HAVE BEEN UNEVEN THIS SEASON, BUT THE FINALE ROCKED LI

    by Lt. Torello

    That's generally been the case from Season 4 on, but so what? When all's said and done, it's still better than 99% of the other crap on. Now did anyone else interpret that Fury may replace Noxon as head writer...?

  • May 22, 2002, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Whedon and Company rule.

    by Basic Alias

    Funny posts. And while I didn't enjoy this season as much as the others, I still respect the hell out of those guys and you couldn't pay me not to watch next season. Considering the massive number of TV shows that play it safe, what these guys did this year took a lot of cajones. Personally, I didn't think it was an awful season, so much as it was a depressing one. Still, they seemed to get it out of their system, and the season finale tied everything up quite nicely for me. I thought the best part was when Buffy explained exactly what had happened over the year, and his response was to burst out laughing. Looking back, it was pretty funny.

  • May 22, 2002, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Whoops, fucked up my post.

    by Basic Alias

    I meant to write in my previous post that Buffy explained TO GILES what had happened over the year. I forgot to write his name in. Damn, and I'm usually pretty good with checking my spllng.

  • May 22, 2002, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Gotta love the J

    by coop

    I really don't understand the idea that people have that Joss can't do more than one thing at a time. It's not like he has to write every episode for three different series'. He maps out the arcs for each show (often years ahead of time) helps with scripts, shows up occasionally on set, goofs off, makes jokes, has a donut, goes to a meeting, goes home, sleeps for 4 hours, reads a book, takes a nap, has some friends over for dinner, goes to bed for another 8 hours, and starts all over again. The only thing he's doing differently is he used to goof off on the Buffy set more, now he goofs off on three different sets. Ask Joss, he'll tell you (of course he'll deny the donut part).

  • May 22, 2002, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Ha ha

    by Kevservo

    Ha! Ain't-It-Spoiled. BURN! Joss Whedon owns your ass, Harry!Consider yourself owned. Hehehe. That was my favorite part of the post. To his credit, Whedon manages to make us laugh even when he isn't making a lick of sense. Cardigans, cardigans, cardigans, weee!

  • May 22, 2002, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Once again, Joss shows why he's the smart-ass king of Hollyw

    by Cap'n Chaos!

    That guy can crack me up six ways ta Sunday. His commentary track for "Wellcome to the Hellmouth" and "The Harvest" is second only to the Kevin Smith commentaries in entertainment value, and he doesn't even have any help!

  • May 22, 2002, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Idea for Mr. Whedon

    by Wicked Raygun

    Aww, Mr. Whedon, we meet... okay we've never met, but that is not the point. The point is me trying to save a character. And also maybe getting a job, but WHOAH do NOT hit that pagedown button just yet, okay, Jefe? You see, Xander is my favorite character. And please note that I may get tarred and feathered for that response as it's been a dangerous time for us Xander fans ever since Hell's Bells. The Buffy/Spike camp especially seems to not like us. Anyways I would like to talk to you about a Xander spin-off. Aww, yes the disgusted cry of cynics saying, "Xander's boring. He has no powers. He makes rash judgements. He dares to not like Spike. Blah, blah, blah, yakkity-smakkity. Ad nauseum. And so fourth." Which are valid points, except for the whole "Xander being boring," which is a matter of opinion and one I will fight tooth and nail if I have to. But this could be the point. Xander is obviously in way over his head. So how about a show, away from the hellmouth? I'm assuming that, although, all major cities have a demon population, that L.A. is the exception not the rule. So less hell gods, more vampires. Picture this: Xander leaves Sunnydale because of a generous job offer from a construction company which he initially was going to turn down, but decided to accept at the last minute because when the gang accidentally over hears about his wonderful oportunity to become a major architect, they all tell him to take it, thinking it's what he wants and that he'll get a chance to live a SAFE normal life. Damn, that was a whole lot of sentence. Besides as a moving moment to the story the man who makes the offer asks him, "Just what is keeping you here really?" You can play up the drama because as he tells Spike, "If just one of them would ask me to stay, I would. But they just seem so happy that I'm getting the hell out of Dodge, that they don't realize it's not what I want. They don't know me." Anyways, as he leaves, preferably on a train because it's just one of those cool cliches everybody wants to do at least once, he has one last moment with Dawn. "They're going to push you away when things get tough, but don't let them. You're going to have to be their voice of reason. They'll need you. Especially now. I can't be there anymore, but you will. What I'm trying to say, Dawn, is look after them." He then of course seta off to spin-off land, where despite trying for the first few weeks, he finds that living the life of a normal guy 24-7 is driving him insane. He's having a hard time making friends, especially after that whole newspaper fiasco, where one of the guys at his construction company asks if anyone would like parts pf his newspaper now that he's done, one say "Sports" another "World news", then "Entertainment" and Xander says "Obituaries," at which at their strange looks he laughs nervously and says, "Heh. Kidding. Uh, Comics please." The first year will be about starting a new life, making new friends, getting a new driver's livense, (DMV Demon- Picture it!) Only it'll be a long struggle. At the end of the year he asks his new "friends" for help to stop a vampire mafia leader who wants to control a part of the city. Think "No Man's Land." But the kicker will be in a few years... I have five seasons planned up including big bads, major plot points, deaths in the family, etc. And the over all theme for the show will be, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." If you're intrigued with that last part, let me know. For anyone else, admire my insanity. Typing this much into a post with no paragraph breaks is head-ache inducing.

  • May 22, 2002, 10:06 p.m. CST

    If Willow was gay, why did she date and fall in love with Oz and

    by Steal_Dragon

    Doesn't make any sense, like when Oz left her she was like "Oh well I guess I with leave guys now and go to girl's" please, Willow is not gay if she was she wouldn't had dated Xander and Oz, and cheated on Oz with Xander. She is just confused.

  • May 22, 2002, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Gay? Bi? Confused? who cares ... Willow is just plain sexy as he

    by adrianmole

    And to the dude who has constructed the entire show for Xander ... You're my new hero ... If I had that much free time on my hands I'd go insane

  • May 22, 2002, 10:22 p.m. CST

    So this season is supposed to the best one yet huh? Um.....

    by Da_Man

    http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-10409329,00.html ....SOMEONE TELL ME THIS IS NOT TRUE!!! This is fake, it has to be, it's a fake rumor meant to scare us...Isn't It? ISN'T IT??!!!!

  • May 22, 2002, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Jane Espenson on Spike

    by meersan

    According to Jane Espenson in an interview tonight on the Succubus club http://www.thesuccubusclub.com/ Spike went to Africa expressly to get a soul. He still has the chip. The rape attempt was the final straw--Spike realized he had to make a change. So yes, there are TWO vampires with souls.

  • May 22, 2002, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Dude, take your meds.

    by Christopher3

    Joss has been partaking of the brownies, methinks.

  • May 22, 2002, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Hello Great One!

    by MsBigfoot

    The season finale ROCKED!! And OMG I can't wait to see Firefly, it looks kewl!! Its gonna be a long ole summer without Buffy, maybe next season she can hook up with Groo??? He is soooo dang cute, would make a great Scooby! And Tara could come back as a ghost/spirit guide kinda thing, just a thought...

  • May 22, 2002, 11 p.m. CST

    Britney

    by Kevservo

    Man, that rumor's so old! I laugh out loud every time I hear it.

  • May 22, 2002, 11 p.m. CST

    Britney

    by Kevservo

    Man, that rumor's so old! I laugh out loud every time I hear it.

  • May 22, 2002, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I heard the Jane Espenson thingy too....

    by mmmspike

    Wow, it sure didn't seem like Spike went to Africa to get his soul, now did it? But then again, the writers love to deceive the fans. So Spike is a vamp with a soul, huh? Good. Spike as a human would have sucked ass.

  • May 22, 2002, 11:19 p.m. CST

    What a moron

    by Sofa King

    This is the man you people think is a genius? He's a rambling idiot! His attempts at humor reminded me of my own... WHEN I WAS 5 YEARS OLD!

  • May 22, 2002, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Hey Joss

    by jerkstore15

    Joss you did not read in a few places that season 6 sucked, you read EVERYWHERE that season 6 sucked. Becasue it did!

  • No matter what anyone says, this season had a better finale and villain(between Dark Willow and the Nerds of Doom) than either season 4 or 5. The Nerds made amusing and funny villains who turned unexpectedly menacing when they needed to, and Dark Willow provided some much-needed suspense and emotional investment. Learn from that, make that last season's big bad a funny but dangerous individual who we can get into as much as our heroes. In fact, consider bringing back the Master, he was short served with half a season anyway and he never seemed to reach his full potential as an antagonist. Meanwhile, Jonathan grew on me, he deserves to be brought into the fold as the mystical authority for the Scoobs. And come on, can't you see him returning from Mexico all ready to face the music like a man only to be told by the cops that they don't remember him and don't care because they're too busy rebuilding their precinct? Besides, Xander needs a buddy. A guy buddy. He never relates to any of the men around him, and it's about time that changed. Jonathan needs a friend too. And come on, they're an ideal duo for comedy! Bring it on! And finally, I know that there wasn't a lot of time to grieve for Tara in this finale, but give us a break from all the bleak angst and heartache. This season was a downer most of the time, and after the year we've had I wasn't really in the mood for a lot of it. Stay true to that Buffy Year One idea, get back to the joy of the whole thing. Not that season one didn't have dark times, the murdered students in "Prophecy Girl" come to mind, but at least the characters were happy more often. There was hope. We need that now, or *I* do anyway.

  • May 23, 2002, midnight CST

    "...and the second half hour will be about Sam Waterston PROSECU

    by Mistah Kurtz

    That's just funny. It must be appreciated. Appreciate, AICN scum! Don't make me come over there.

  • May 23, 2002, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Spike's Soul

    by HeeHeeHee

    I haven't been watching the show but I (and the Buffy veteran sitting next to me) thought that the demon lord tricked Spike into getting a soul? That he did the old genie trick and gave him back a soul ("made him like he used to be") instead of removing the chip? I guess not, though.

  • May 23, 2002, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Pursued By A Bear

    by R_Nathan

    The "pursued by a bear" comes from a stage direction in Shakespeare's "A Winter's Tale."

  • May 23, 2002, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Never underestimate...

    by BuffyBot

    The power of geeks with keyboards to second guess everyone and everything. Joss is a genius. Period. Chris Carter is si-fi's hack. Move on.

  • Maybe some day you'll learn something about people, dating and love. Maybe. Naaah.

  • May 23, 2002, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Aint-it-spoiled....heh heh

    by Cajun Lightning

    Joss Whedon is a sarcastic, wise ass bastard. WE MISSED THAT ON THE SHOW, MAN! We need a little more of the "we're entertaining you as we mock you" mentality back in the ol' Buffy mix. Quite different from the "we're making you feel like hanging yourself while mocking you" that has been this past year. If Whedon's mary jane induced ramblings are any indication, next year should be just fine.

  • May 23, 2002, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Re: Willow's "gayness"

    by BuffyBot

    Hey StealDude.... If a guy dated a girl in high school but then dated a guy seriously in college, would you consider him bisexual? No. You'd accept that he's gay, even if you didn't like it. Xander and Willow are FRIENDS. SHE. IS. GAY. Bisexuality is a valid life and a possible one. But Willow has stated that she is gay more than once. Never has she said, "I'm just a crazy bisexual Wicca!" Get over it. You're the confused one.

  • May 23, 2002, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Britney on Buffy

    by Darth Lechon

    Just typing that subject line gave me warm feelings. Rowr! I hope it's true. Sometimes us intellectuals need to see some good ol'-fashioned jiggling.

  • May 23, 2002, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Britney guest starring...

    by BuffyBot

    Um, there's a piece of warmed-over news. She was in early talks to play April in "I Was Made To Love You." Alas, scheduling never came thorough and the lovely actress who ended up playing her did it instead. Would have been cool too see Britney throwng guys around at a frat party, though...

  • May 23, 2002, 2:49 a.m. CST

    A Big bad we can all hate :)

    by Greynite

    I for one think letting Britney on as a Big bad is an excellent notion. come on now who wouldn't in someway be made happy by our favorite Slayer smacking Britney so hard that her implants are knocked to back. I for one am in favor of this idea. Hehehe Sarah go head and give britney a few punches to the throat for me. Joss you are the man THE MAN!! First Buffy the musical and now this. YOU RULE!! Grey nite

  • May 23, 2002, 2:58 a.m. CST

    repost from prior...thoughts on finale, s7

    by km2000

    well, lots of interesting stuff to read. allow me to state from the beginning that i'm not an avid angel watcher, so if i'm wrong on something let me know. first it would appear that ME is trying to weed out all extraneous subplots--w/x/a/t are thru as hot topics. played out. only speculation about x/w and a/g--but nothing probably earthshattering as far as the mythology goes. i think there's a reason spike and dawn are the big threads left. slowly btvs/ai are going to draw together because this apocalypse will involve buffy and angel. mucho speculation about spike being the prophecied one--only problem, why would they only be talking about it on angel? can't count on people watching both shows regularly. so the said vamp must be angel.*******TOPIC 1: dawn as the next slayer? unless they're killing buffy, don't think so. this mythology will end w/ her or legions of fans will be very angry. think carefully about the debated conversation b/w buff and giles regarding someone else being called. i think the most significant part of that was giles stating that the reason she is back is because she in particular has a purpose. dawn may be speculated to be made of slayer blood, but we don't know that. it has never been even marginally indicated on the show itself. sure dawn has power, she is the key for god's sake! but is she a slayer, does she have slayer strength? no. buffy didn't gradually get it--when she was called it was there. i think dawn will have a role here, but not as slayer.****TOPIC 2: spike and his growth. a lot of people have said its ironic that spike is the only one to have grown up and changed this season. on the contrary!! he has fought acceptance tooth and nail. he has said over and over, he's neither a monster nor a man. he cannot accept that buffy won't have him, so he's going and doing something to "quick fix" himself so he can kill her or something. that doesn't show a lot of growth. thalya, i have every episode from this season taped. when i figure out how to use my new digital camera i'll try to take a pic and post the slayer cave drawings. i think these are way significant. i agree that spike is a pawn in this game, but how? i think it is important that ME has shown us this year that having a soul does NOT guarantee goodness--look at willow and warren, even andrew a bit. for all we know, part of angel's gypsy spell was to infuse his soul w/ guilt, so he would never forget the harm he did, thus conditioning him to be good. the bigger point of his re-soulling was that not only would he feel like caca for what he had done, never again would he have a moment of unadulturated happiness. anyway, the upshot of all this is that i think spike will be a big bad with a soul! what difference does it make? it's all in how you use it. ted bundy had a soul. bin laden has one. so does the scheduling-designer at the wb who's putting angel against alias. i think everyone wagering their hot pockets had best leave them in the deep freezer until about, oh, 7.22!!!! will repost this on the whedon speaks TB...

  • May 23, 2002, 3:01 a.m. CST

    The Joss giveth and the Joss taketh away!!!

    by Future-boy

    Let's face it folks, we have MUCH to owe to Joss Whedon. I was one of many who were disappointed with the show's focus this year. I never thought it came from lazy writing...that was still top notch. It was just that I, like many, had grown accustomed to the show's formula (Big Bad, lots of funny, surrealistic episode before/after the climax, etc.) and was resistant to any change. But let's face it folks...Joss Whedon doesn't give us what we WANT...he gives us what we NEED. It was always under his watchful eye and he, as usual, had a magnificent plan. After seeing the season finale of BTVS last night, I saw how the seeds had been planted all season and how it all came together in two friggin

  • May 23, 2002, 3:14 a.m. CST

    That time of the year again...

    by Zardoz

    First of all: I thought this season of Buffy was great! Really great! It was all about character, not plot. (Y'know, like them furrin' movies from France) And there was so much happening to all the characters this season. Lots of pain, anguish and suffering. (and sex; don't forget the sex!) But you know what? Everything worked out in the end. (Well, except for Tara dying, that is) As to which was better, Angel or Buffy: Hell, I loved 'em both. (OK, maybe I liked Buffy a little more) Oh, and for the record, Xander (secretly) saved the world in season 3, too. It was the fantastic episode where he slept with Faith and beat down the zombie/bully in the basement, who was going to blow up the school. (while an oblivious Buffy and the gang dealt with the apocalyptic Hell-mouth threat upstairs) What will happen next year? I don't know, but you can bet your sweet bippy I'll be watching to find out...

  • Though however, if the great Jedi Master himself (or would that be Petrie after Two To Go?) is watching, *applause*. And please, drop by The White Room once it gets established and at least lurk, it would be an honor. Judging from what I've seen of fandom, that's the least likely place to find raving lunatics (except for me, of course). I'm completely elated by the promise of next season, especially the cardigans, don't forget the cardigans! (we're going to see a school play of Dawn's, right? Romeo and Juliet?) (And a note to everyone else: y'know, you're all trying to figure out the one precise thing that was going on in Spike, but no one has at least said explicitly that both things were going on in him, just like they were at the end of Seeing Red. Chip or soul? Both. Don't deny the complexity of dear William; it wasn't just a writer's ploy, it's a character actuality. The big difference being the whole WANTED bit and therin lies the crux. Boggles the mind.)

  • May 23, 2002, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Ooh, ooh, Joss!

    by SatanTheBunnyGod

    Please let there be someone like me on the show next year, pwetty pwease? Someone I can relate to, just for one ep, with NASTY BIG POINTY TEETH! Put that mean vengeance demon with the precise speech in her place! *hops up and down*

  • May 23, 2002, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Oh, Look! STBG, Pandering For Attention....

    by KittyFantastico

    Shock. Surprise. Yawn. Whilst you're waving your arms and ears and whatnot, begging to be noticed, *I* have just left Lord Joss' side, having shared some catnip and discussed my character arc for next season! (evil, kittenish laughter ensues....) You see, you missed the appearance of my porcine pimp-daddy, Mr. Gordo, in his alternate form in the last two episodes of Buffy- HE was the African Cave Dwelling Demon! Meow! Sorry not to overstay my welcome (like certain individuals who shall remain nameless, but think Lucifer Lepus), but I must go over here and POUNCE! Mr. Gordo..... Miss Kitty F.

  • May 23, 2002, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Thalya, you kick ass

    by BuffyBot

    You're the only person on this board who can write a book in one post that I will read from beginning to end because I know you'll say something intelligent. It's sorely lacking in 80% of the posts around here...

  • May 23, 2002, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Willow, please leave her as a lesbian, and the Ending ROCKED.

    by WillowRules

    First and foremost, i would like to say that the finale was AWESOME. It fucking rocked. Giles returning. Wow. Xander saving the world. Whoa. Buffy finally not saving the world, Smart. Dawn getting to kick some ass, even smarter. And Anya, cool. Spike, i cant wait till next season. And to the writers. Please please dont make Willow straight. I was disappointed enough when you killed off Tara. I understand why you did it, but come on. It was heart stopping and depressing. Hopefully next year you'll give Willow another GIRLfriend (relationship wise.)

  • May 23, 2002, 6:46 a.m. CST

    NO, that's not funny!

    by 2GOLD

    What is with you people? Britney Spears??? WHAT FOR! That's not funny, that's a threat against humanity letting that waste of space on the show. You know if that steaming pile of silcone appears then her music will HAVE to be played during it making it the ultimate torture episode of the year. So she jiggles, record the stupid Pepsi commercial and run it in slow mo! If you morons would quit loving her then we'd get to see her nude as her career falters...see! Priorities people! As for Mr. Whedon ummm well whatever that was above ummm it was nice...OH MY, WHAT'S THAT! [turning and running in the other direction in fear]

  • May 23, 2002, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Firefly's Gonna Suck

    by DarkAngelCher

    Firefly's gonna suck! The internet's first anti-Firefly site: http://daspoilers.proboards4.com Dark Angel fans will never watch that shit.

  • May 23, 2002, 7:43 a.m. CST

    "Dark Angel Fans Will Never Watch That Shit"

    by BigScoobyDeath

    That, actually, may be the funniest thing I've read on a TB since the line about real dragons talking and whatnot in that 'Reign Of Fire' story last month.... Umm, I'll go out on a limb and say that 'Dark Angel' fans (all 12 of them) will watch whatever is put in front of them at 8 on Friday nights, since they embraced that tepid BtVS clone that Jim Cameron vomi...er, 'created' as his follow-up to 'Titanic.' Why doesn't this man make another movie? Oh, wait! He's making a documentary about the....'Titanic.' Next up, a documentary about.... Jessica Alba! Woo to the fucking hoo.... // e.

  • May 23, 2002, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Yes, That *WAS* On Purpose....

    by EricAlan69

    a tip of the hat to those who pay attention.

  • May 23, 2002, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Dark Angel fan(s)? Amusing.

    by Silver_Joo

    Anyway, Buffy really picked up in the last three episodes; a very welcome change of pace. However, if we are to look at the whole series in context, it has played out quite well, even if the metaphorical aspect of the Scoobys' lives has been pummelled home. Moving on, as always Thalya, you are engaging and correct in your post. There has been so much more at work with Spike's feelings this season, he has ceased to be the comic relief. His return next year could be explosive.

  • May 23, 2002, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Themes for next season

    by Wicked Willow

    First off,Joss saying that it would be just as wrong NOT to kill Tara because she's gay is just as bad as killing her off due to her sexual status...been right there all along with you,JW! I'm sorry to see her go but the storyline would've been the same even if Willow was still into guys(yes,she's gay-she's said "Hello,gay now!" enough times for anyone to get that). Next,a theme I'ld like to see explored is this whole "Soul=goodness" concept the Scoobies seem to have. One of the main insults hurled at Spike this year(mainly by Xander & Buffy)is that he's soulless and therefore,incapable of good or being worthy of consideration. I think that a load of BS-Warren had a soul,Faith has a soul,The Mayor had a soul,Angel has a soul and that didn't stop him from going mental last season. A soul does allow you more options in what path you decide to take in life but it does not guarantee goodness or worth(even Osama Bin Laden has a soul but I have my doubts about Britney Spears-the only way I would tolerate that Barbie Doll Sexbot on BTVS would be if she was a vampire and got dusted before the opening credits!). A future topic for The White Room,perhaps,Thalya? Also,did anyone besides me notice that Buffy quoted Spike in "Two Down"-when she said to Willow"I don't want to hurt you...didn't say I wouldn't"-Spike said that to Dru in Becoming,Part II! Coincidence or foreshadowing?

  • Well, I tried to post a long entry yesterday. Something about the three stages Willow passed through, how cool it was that her body language and personality changed after feeding off Rack and then Giles. About magick requiring emotional control, and how she had it at first, you know, what with her "surgical strike" attitude conflicting with the "playing with the puppy/house of pain" aspect of her personality and how Xander managed to throw off her momentum. And how most of the "waiting for the other shoe to drop" stuff brought up this season was resolved. How no one got off easily with any kind of reset button (guess Ed The Spoiler was full of crap after all, huh?) and how the characters are still in the crappy position they were before she-whom-I-lust-after-like-Homer-Simpson-lusts-after-donuts got a little cranky. Truly, it was an insightful and well-written essay. I would have been praised effusively and held upon shoulders high. And it's disappeared into the aether. Sigh.

  • May 23, 2002, 10:09 a.m. CST

    A question for Joss

    by Kort Villikon

    Rumor has it that Gail Berman The Exec. producer on FIREFLY was the Fox Programming Prez. who cancelled DARK ANGEL to get her show(FIREFLY) on the air. IT THIS RUMOR TRUE???? You should have Killed Willow off and made TARA one the big bads for next season. Then have her relent at the last moment and go off and become a witch for Angel and Co.

  • May 23, 2002, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I could be wrong, but...

    by 1derWoman

    some people just don't get it. I know this is just a show and all, but the upset of Tara dying wasn't about the loss of a gay chic, it was about the loss of love, the loss of willow's sense of being whole. Yes, they were in love. La De Da. Despite the pain, life goes on whether you want it to or not - I believe Xander expressed it beautifully. Its about time Xander was the one to save the world. Because of his relationship with Anya he was put on the backburner as a true contributor. I'm glad to see that he knows, somewhere inside him, when to step up to the plate. I can certainly relate to the comments and actions he took when chosing to kick it next to is lifelong pal. That's where I'd wanna be - with those I love - should the world have to go BooM, or SiZZle in this case. It's about FriCkin'time Buffy woke up and saw that Dawn wasn't just whining about growing up. We'll just have to see how sincere the self-absorbed slayer (chronic condition with the Buffster)is when next season rolls around. Giles thrilled me to no end showing up like that. Bummer that it appears there will be no Ripper pumping down my cable line anytime soon, but I can wait, keeping an ear to the ground. Spike. HAHAHA That was hilarious. He should speak more... heh pointedly...about what he wants. He does it when it doesn't matter, but not when it does. Nervous, darlin'? I think so. Now your jitters have been justified by getting screwed over. Hrmm... Practically human again. Can't hurt people cuz of the chip. Now there's the whole remorse thing to endure, William the Bloody. LOL! Don't get me wrong, I feel for Spikey. Perfect example of karma. Shouldn't have teased and tormented Angel so much. Dearest Angel. Wesley. Connor. Cordy. Lorne, my fave. Gunn and Fred. and Groo... Waaaaaaah! A love affair that couldn't last, hon. Sorry. Holtz...grrrr... good job of making me hate you despite the reasons behind your crusade. (very well done, writers) I dunno what Wheddon has in mind, but I have a idea that Angel is about to knock pretty heavily on the door of the major networks not that I even watch the other networks. They just don't have diddly anymore - too busy with cookie cutter wasteland shows - aka braindeath. YeahYeahYeah... u pessimists out there can bite my bippy (depending on what a bippy actually is). We all have to just wait and see. I can hardly contain myself. I've never been more excited about "next season" before.

  • May 23, 2002, 10:17 a.m. CST

    how the series should end

    by justanotherpeon

    kill off all the characters except for Anya. And while on the subject kill off all the characters on Angel as well. In fact, kill that show. That show's gone down the toilet faster than my diarrhea.

  • May 23, 2002, 10:38 a.m. CST

    guest star credits?

    by 93curr

    Did I miss something or did Tony Head not get a credit on the finale? And why?

  • May 23, 2002, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Tara recruited Willow to be gay...

    by Alex Rogan

    Look at what happened, Tara took advantage of the turmoil Willow felt from Oz leaving to lead her into a gay relationship. Willow didn't discover anything, she was cleverly and gently manipulated. Flame me all you want, but if not for Tara's influence, I bet she would be dating a guy.

  • May 23, 2002, 1:23 p.m. CST

    to Alex Rogan:

    by 93curr

    So, you think that Tara was the AGGRESSIVE one in the relationship? What show have you been watching? My god, in 'New Moon Rising' she practically ran for cover when Oz showed up, convinced that Will would leave her in a heartbeat. Hell, Will's insecurities were nothing compared to hers. Remember the whole "I'm not a nerd. Hello, dating a guitarist now. Or, I was, anyway." after what'shisname dissed her at the party ('Doomed')? Willow went from seeing herself as being vicariously cool by dint of Oz to being the cool one that Tara looked up to. Frankly, seeing her reaction shots in 'Hush' I doubt that she would have had the courage to put the moves on anyone who had ALREADY established their lesbo-street-cred, little less someone who hadn't. SARCASM ALERT: Besides, those of us truly in the know understand that Tara was only brought in so that Buffy could have that "non-traditional relationship" discussion with Riley regarding Angel. You know, so that she could call him a bigot. And then the writers were stuck with her. I mean, if Buffy can be open-minded enough to date (a) vampire(s), and Xander can be open-minded enough to date (an) (ex-) demon(s), surely gender isn't too much of an obstacle for Willow?

  • May 23, 2002, 2:15 p.m. CST

    correction

    by 93curr

    Sorry, that line should have read "unconventional relationship". My bad. That's twice this month that I've screwed up. I had already referred to a scene in 'Becoming Part 1' as being from 'Graduation Day Part 1' and had to be corrected by Thalya (thanks for watching my back!) Not to distract from my shame (like that's anything to be proud of) but was I the only one who sided with Dawn and thought that when Buffy started crying that she also, deep down, wanted the world to end?

  • May 23, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST

    correction

    by 93curr

    Sorry, that line should have read "unconventional relationship". My bad. That's twice this month that I've screwed up. I had already referred to a scene in 'Becoming Part 1' as being from 'Graduation Day Part 1' and had to be corrected by Thalya (thanks for watching my back!) Not to distract from my shame (like that's anything to be proud of) but was I the only one who sided with Dawn and thought that when Buffy started crying that she also, deep down, wanted the world to end?

  • May 23, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST

    correction

    by 93curr

    Sorry, that line should have read "unconventional relationship". My bad. That's twice this month that I've screwed up. I had already referred to a scene in 'Becoming Part 1' as being from 'Graduation Day Part 1' and had to be corrected by Thalya (thanks for watching my back!) Not to distract from my shame (like that's anything to be proud of) but was I the only one who sided with Dawn and thought that when Buffy started crying that she also, deep down, wanted the world to end?

  • May 23, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST

    correction

    by 93curr

    Sorry, that line should have read "unconventional relationship". My bad. That's twice this month that I've screwed up. I had already referred to a scene in 'Becoming Part 1' as being from 'Graduation Day Part 1' and had to be corrected by Thalya (thanks for watching my back!) Not to distract from my shame (like that's anything to be proud of) but was I the only one who sided with Dawn and thought that when Buffy started crying that she also, deep down, wanted the world to end?

  • May 23, 2002, 2:17 p.m. CST

    to Alex Rogan (correction):

    by 93curr

    Sorry, that line should have read "unconventional relationship". My bad. That's twice this month that I've screwed up. I had already referred to a scene in 'Becoming Part 1' as being from 'Graduation Day Part 1' and had to be corrected by Thalya (thanks for watching my back!) Not to distract from my shame (like that's anything to be proud of) but was I the only one who sided with Dawn and thought that when Buffy started crying that she also, deep down, wanted the world to end?

  • May 23, 2002, 2:54 p.m. CST

    man...

    by Thalya

    I say one little thing and something like heaps of praise get thrown on me. Thanks, nonetheless, I try. And WickedWillow, all those ideas you bring up are great WR fodder, bring 'em all in, the more the better. As for the Becoming line, this finale we just saw was a Becoming Redux, just as some have speculated that this season mirrors S2. In addition to those cave drawings, that's a biggee we're gonna have to analyze and discuss. And in addition, does that mean that S5 mirrored S3 (maybe a parallel between Ben and Faith, for starters?). It makes sense, since next year is "Buffy: Year One", the parallel structure would work. Reminds me of a Yoda quote (and good god, again with the Star Wars): "You must unlearn what you have learned." Something to stew in the head.

  • May 23, 2002, 4:32 p.m. CST

    re: guest star credits?

    by Mistah Kurtz

    93curr, Tony Head got a "Special Guest Star" nod in the end credits, a la Kevin Spacey in _Se7en_. Obviously, this was done so as not to spoil the surprise.

  • May 23, 2002, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Sick And Twisted Fiends Trying To Steal Our Values!

    by EricAlan69

    Actually, you know, there really *is* an underground movement of men and women trying to subvert the minds and morals of the youthful American mind, but they're not called 'homosexuals.' I believe they're called (SHUDDER) 'Republicans.' // e.

  • May 23, 2002, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Joss should change their names to the Sharks

    by Michel Delving

    Go ahead, Joss, fuck up your own show. It belongs to you, but don't be suprised when season 7 is the lowest rated season ever. The Scoobs should be called the Sharks and they should spend every episode jumping over each other. Britney Spears my ass, you've got to be kidding. You've lost me.

  • May 23, 2002, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Britney, Buffy, & A Backwards Talking Episode?

    by DefyThis

    First up: The Britney rumor is old news, hell its putrid at this point, going as far back as late S4 or early S5. The truth to it is that the Aprilbot role in "I Was Made To Love You" in season five was designed for said blonde tart. The fact that it's re-circulating is simply due to a British tabloid dredging the muck for anything close to noteworthy for printing. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? It's crap, people. In fact, this exact same rumor ran last year, about Spears being a vampire. It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now. The only role she was ever thought of for was April, in S5. The airhead robot routine she could pull off (she does it quite convincingly day in and day out with the press as it is, i.e. "Yoko Who?"), but the brain trust at ME is smart enough to recognize that such is the extent of her acting ability. Now, allow for a brief pause while I note how amazingly cool the finale was. We're taking a moment

  • May 23, 2002, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Whatever Joss Whedon is SMOKING..I WANT SOME!!

    by Lauryn2000

    Whatever the HELL kinda weed he was smoking when he wrote that at the bronze.I would like him to share,or just tell me if I can find some of that stuff in New York City?? What about it Joss...share!!

  • May 23, 2002, 5:07 p.m. CST

    End of the year wrap-up, and info. on Spears

    by MGTHEDJ

    Brittany is allegedly a friend or SMG's and she was to play April the Sexbot in the 5th season episode "I was made to love you." Joss you super-genius you, snidely admitting you read these boards and making reference to "Law and Order," the show that keeps taking your Emmy nominations and this past year stole one of your actors. Can we expect a crossover when we discover Ms. Rohm's character is the twin sister of her character on "Angel"? I can just see Waterston facing off against Lila...he would be doomed. OK I'll stop with the fan fiction. Did anyone else notice when Buffy hugged Giles the desperation and relief with which it was done. I mean she was practically clinging to him. Good stuff from SMG. As for "did Spike know?" Maybe it was written that way, but I think JM played it like Spike wanted the chip removed. Just remember, if you have to negotiate with a demon, first call the law firm of Wolfram & Hart, and ask for Special Projects.-----later-----m

  • May 23, 2002, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Peace, peace, Joss, peace, thou talkst of nothing....

    by Chilli Kramer

    If Joss is quoting Shakespeare, then that would explain this excerpt from the new season's script that one of his butlers stole for me: SPIKE: 'Soft, what light at yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Buffy is the sun. THE SUN! Oh Crap. AARGH!!!' BUFFY: 'Oh, Spike, Spike, go to hell Spike. Why is the yard so dusty?' Enter XANDER: 'What say you to my suit?' BUFFY: 'Very nice. Walmart?'. Exeunt.

  • May 23, 2002, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Back to the Past

    by BOWLINGMAN

    Mr.Whedon please put in a time travel story line next season.

  • May 23, 2002, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Tara had the single best line of the season.

    by SleazyG.

    "...your shirt..."

  • May 23, 2002, 7:29 p.m. CST

    I've just noticed that Joss's letter is remarkably simil

    by Chilli Kramer

    Where he tells us nothing about the food or restaurant at all. Here's an excerpt: "As people who know me will tell you, I need to eat once in a while. I thought I'd tell you of my developments regarding this activity. Here's the important points: 1) The best thing to eat is 'food'. There are many kinds of this. I like the orange kind most. 2) From now on, I'm going to wait firstly for Wolfgang to actually cook my food. Then secondly I'll work out a major plot arc about how the chutney taints the meal. 3) I've decided to 'relieve myself' away from the table from now on. There've been complaints. 4)I've been in talks about developing some spin-off food, and a series of sci-fi food. I'm into these foods up to my neck. Literally. [....] I think the waiter at place was gay. No actually, I meant PLAICE, the fish, it was happy, or 'gay', to 'wait' for me to eat it. See? [....] Ok, now I can't remember what the point of all this was." He wrote this on some Buffy web zine. I don't know if this article is a concious repetition or not.

  • May 23, 2002, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Well, Mr. Rogan...

    by SleazyG.

    ...it is generally true that, if a person didn't meet somebody, they wouldn't be dating them. It is also true that they might, as a result, be dating somebody else. This means that, yes, if Willow hadn't met Tara she wouldn't have been dating that PARTICULAR girl. It does actually happen in real life, though, that some people meet a person and are completely bowled over by them and find themselves falling in love. It also sometimes happens that when they do this it is with somebody they never would have expected--even somebody of the same sex. Has it happened to me? Nope. Has it happened to friends of mine? Yep. Some of them realized it just wasn't for them; some are gay, gay gay. And that's okay. Seriously: why is it, that in a world where life and love are already so goddamned difficult, there are so many people out there bound and determined to meddle in other people's lives and criticize them for making the mistake of being attracted to or in love with somebody? It may sound facetious coming from me, of all people, but I'm dead serious here: just let people love each other. That's all. Let people be in love. It's okay. I haven't always liked who my friends were in love with, but I wasn't gonna open my mouth, because they were LUCKY enough to BE IN LOVE. You don't have to like what others do, but just leave 'em be, y'know? I mean, the day you get attacked verbally or physically, or your family shuts you out, or you can't raise a child, and it's all because of who you're in love with, aren't you gonna want somebody to have your back? Just spread the love. Or we'll have to start kickin' some ass.

  • May 23, 2002, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Now THIS is scary

    by Razor42

    http://us.imdb.com/PeopleNews/#2 lets just she doesn't sing.

  • May 23, 2002, 8:22 p.m. CST

    I'm not even gonna TRY to read that mess...

    by Cap'n Chaos!

    Yeesh. That's why I wish Harry would pull his head out and fix the friggin' talkbacks once & a while. Xander show: Interesting idea, mainly because he's my favorite character, too. I kind of envisioned him as a Q for Faith, though. Maybe when the shows are over, Fred and he could be on a Faith show with Fred designing and Xander building. Of course, Gunn will not be on it because we don't need that crappy romance between them. Wesley as watcher and Anya just cause she kicks ass. Faith becomes a supernatural spy jetsetting around the world stopping paranormal baddies that want to take over. Yup, that's my hit show. Booyah!

  • May 23, 2002, 8:25 p.m. CST

    2 things:

    by Cap'n Chaos!

    1.) Did all the guys see Elizabeth Rohm's photo spread in Stuff? YOWZA! Poppa like! Bring back Kate now! 2.) Check the end of the episode credits. Ten bucks and a hot pocket Anthony Stewart Head is listed there rather than the beginning because team Whedon wanted his appearance to be a suprise for all the non-spoiler whores out there. That's what he did with Faith in the Angel episode Judgement, and I think he did it with Wesley in the episode Parting Gifts.

  • May 23, 2002, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Geez...

    by CISCO Bunny

    ... if this is Joss' idea of clever writing, no wonder Buffy is such a bland show. This reads like something from a Buffy fan-site, not the words of the creator of the show.

  • May 24, 2002, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Whedon

    by skitch

    Like it or not, Whedon is one of the most creative guys on television. It will be sad to see Buffy end after next year (as all indications point to) and save for the brilliant "24", there will be little else left to watch on the tube that hasn't been done. I have to admit that I didn't start watching Buffy until this year and wasn't fully convinced that I was into it until I started watching the reruns on FX and discovered what an excellent show this is. Thematically, the best years were 3, 6, and 2 in that order, but the show never disappoints. The acting only enhances the writing and I'm always glad that I'm here to watch some of the most creative television ever! Keep it going Joss & Co.

  • May 24, 2002, 1:47 a.m. CST

    The JOSS has spoken!

    by Psyclops

    The Master, as I will now and forever refer to him, has delivered a solid sixth season of the 'The Wonderful Misadventures of Slayer & Co.' and will no doubt deliver an even better final season that will leave us begging for more (whaddya say, can we get a big screen finale someday? Pretty please with sugar on top!) --- I never lost faith.

  • May 24, 2002, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Time to dump some dead weight and keep on truckin'

    by BrashHulk

    The Spike/Buffy thing has just dragged on and on and on.....ad infinitum, ad nauseaum. Kill it and get rid of Spike - his character arc has gone from scary foe to distressed comic relief to sickening stalker, and it's time to let him exit with something akin to vampiric dignity. Or if not that, then at least let him take a Scoob (Dawn would be a good start) with him when he goes. Also, get rid of Anya - she's become a grating harridan who does nothing but alternate between whining and bitching. If she stays demonic, so be it, but get her out of Sunnydale. I know that ASH is not going to come back, but I really wish that he would. Anyone who watched the S7 finale saw how important he is to the Buffyverse. He grounds, centers, and focuses the show, keeping it on the right track. Too bad Tara's dead, as I really liked Amber's subtleties, but that just gives the now "Greg The Bunny"-less Seth Green an opening to come back into the fold. I don't think there were more than 3 or 4 Buffy fans in the entire world who didn't like Oz, and bringing him back would be a huge boost to the show. Finally, and most importantly, they need to let Xander wear the ass-kicking boots for awhile and let the boy go to town. They've tragically never explored the fact that he remembers ALL of his Army training after S2's "Halloween" and and should actually be integral in fights, strategy sessions, and weapon tactics. But no, Xander's got to be a loser jerk, just like ALL the male characters at Mutant Enemy. It seems that ME enjoys showing us these testicularly-challenged males week after week as they constantly abandon their strong, capable womenfolk in one form or another: Hank Summers leaves his wife and kid; Angel leaves Buffy; Oz leaves Willow; Riley leaves Buffy; Giles leaves Buffy; Xander leaves Anya. How about letting a bit o' male maturity to bleed through in S8, okay? Thanks.

  • May 24, 2002, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Willow with Xander?

    by 93curr

    Geez, I can't believe some of these crackpot speculations. Willow is NOT going to start sleeping with Xander. She's going to start sleeping with Spike. Buffy's going to start crying (metaphorically) on Xander's shoulders about how her dating prospects are somewhat limited, he's going to get his hopes up that she'll settle for him, and then Spike will return to Sunnydale all ensouled and suchlike. Does no one remember Anya's wishing that someone would wish that Spike were a woman? Hey, there's TWO unused vengeange demons running around. Willow falls for the newly-female Spike. Boards (Kitten, Digital Bits, AICN and other) go nuts trying to figure out if this is a betrayal of the whole "gay now" declaration as Joss & co. giggle their brains out at all the hair-splitting. Xander ends up dating Amy. You know, 'cause there really isn't anybody else. Dawn starts dating Connor/Steven, leaving Buffy and Angel worried that they're going to end up related. Then it's revealed that Spike was only using Willow, 'cause he's still jealous that she got to be the big bag instead of him. D'Hoffryn offers her (Spike) a job as a vengeance demon, which he accepts, 'cause it's better than nothing. Willow, furious, locates the medallion D'Hoffryn gave her a couple of years ago (it being one of the few things that Dawn hasn't swiped) and takes him up on his earlier offer. Buffy, being pretty much the only unattached human left on the show (Clem having moved to Vegas to be with Lorne) tracks down Parker and starts stalking him. You know, 'cause he's the REAL love of her life (Although why Angel couldn't use that mystical prtopylactic that he got for Cordy is beyond me). It's perfectly simple, people. Point A to point B stuff. You just have to notice the clues.

  • May 24, 2002, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Okay, all joking aside;

    by 93curr

    having caught my breath and watched the episodes about half a dozen times now (and without having yet forgiven ANYONE for killing off Tara) I have to say that there was one hell of a lot to love about the ending. I was prepared to give ME an awful lot of freedom, if necessary, to deliver a happy ending (relatively, at least) but they didn't need it. Okay, in all fairness, I could have done without the McMillan and Wife exposition scene between Giles and Anya. I know that Drusilla didn't have a buggering clue what was going on two inches in front of her, but Anya usually does. Did ANYONE not get that Giles was expecting Will to feed off him? Last time I checked, this WAS a vampire show, right? And the botanical garden scene with Buffy and Dawn clawing their way out of the "grave" was more than a little too sappy for me, BUT I LOVED the scene at Rack's ("Now Willow's a junkie!"). I LOVED the scene in the Magic Box ("You don't have a square inch of your ass that doesn't need kicking"). I LOVED Giles's reaction when Buffy gave him her "tell me we don't live in a soap opera" recitation of what happened this season. And I LOVED Anya's two reaction shots, the first when Xander mistakenly talks about Will and Buffy when she was talking about herself, and the second when Giles informs her that Xander went to Willow at the end. No matter how the cards are shuffled, he's always going to put her in third place. Now, I've made no secret of my feelings for Xander lately, and happy was I to see that Fury didn't change his spots at the last minute. Seems like Anya's little speech to Spike about how Xander didn't feel the same way about her that she did about him was right. And there was no cheating, no vengeance demon wishes, no magickal resets. This may have been more depressing than season two. We're still left with all the problems that had built up all year. Buffy's still broke and greasy. Giles is still going back to England. Spike still has his chip. Anya's still a vengeance demon. The Magick Box was trashed (would love to see the insurance claim on that one -was I supposed to see a connection between this and trashing the library at the end of season three? 'cause I did). Willow is still a junkie and still has all her powers. Tara is still dead. And every couple has broken up.

  • May 24, 2002, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Buffy actors on Angel ??

    by warlock411

    If next year is the last for Buffy will any of the gang join up with Angel ? And if so who would make the best addition to Angel Inv.? Willow for magic Spike as a foe Anya as a demon or human again ??

  • May 24, 2002, 2:07 p.m. CST

    to Warlock411:

    by 93curr

    Well, it's kind of a one-way deal. WB won't allow any Buffys on Angel, but I haven't heard that UPN have any problem with allowing Angels on Buffy. So, as I understand it, if ME wanted to move Gunn over to Buffy (one-way ticket only) so that she'd have someone with a heartbeat and a body temperature to shag, that'd be fine. But I'm pretty sure that the WB wouldn't allow them to move Willow over to Angel.

  • May 24, 2002, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Angel the Series

    by Faith's Favorite

    TV Guide is reporting that David Greenwalt is leaving Angel. THIS BITES: Bad news for fans of Angel. The WB drama

  • May 24, 2002, 4 p.m. CST

    to alex rogan

    by unknown01

    So you think Tara "recruited" Will to be gay? C'mon man! Do you honestly think that Tara's character could manipulate anyone into anything? She was way too meek. And the whole idea of recruitment is just silly. Women can date men for a long, long time, and then suddenly begin to feel something for women. It's the way life works. Some people discover that part of themselves at a very young age, some don't discover it until college, some don't discover it until they are married. The relationship between Will and Tara was not about gender, it was about love. Love overcomes all boundaries. Just leave it be, man.

  • May 24, 2002, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Elizabeth Rohm looked better in Angel than she does in Law & Ord

    by Christopher3

    I think Joss/Greenwalt ended up giving some of her character arc to the poorly-introduced Justine. Bring back Kate!

  • May 24, 2002, 8:18 p.m. CST

    You guys are all genuises!

    by Purple Toupee

    Really! You all have some great ideas, and you are so right in criticizing Josh Whedon! Yeah, let's all tell him what to do! You talkbackers must all have A-list, first rate shows on TV. Seriously, Joss must be envious of all your talent.

  • May 24, 2002, 10:41 p.m. CST

    to Sofa King:

    by Alexis Capullo

    So, you were a genius when you were 5 years old... you should create and produce a hit tv series and make some money of it... dumb ass

  • May 25, 2002, 6:41 a.m. CST

    OK....

    by BuffyBot

    Babylon 5 had a plan and a direction. Sure. And Marlon Brando is a size 6.

  • May 25, 2002, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Anthony Head was listed first in the end credits

    by LenSp

    They didn't want to ruin the surprise for the majority of viewers who don't feast on Internet spoilers (or noticed Mr. Head on Hollywood Squares around the time that the finale was being filmed). So he wasn't listed in the opening guest star credits. He would have been listed in the opening guest credits for the second episode, but the UPN decision to go with a two-hour finale led to the merging of two separate episodes and the dropping of the second set of opening credits. The lack of opening credit for the surprise appearance of a known character at the end of an episode is a popular ME trick. It's been done on Angel with Julie Benz and Juliet Landau. They did give Mr. Head first billing in the end credit.

  • May 25, 2002, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I though Whedon's jokes were funny.

    by Voice O. Reason

    Okay, definitely "amusing" at least. I swear, some of you guys are so jaded you shit green.

  • May 25, 2002, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Cardigans?You Fiend! You souless, bloodthirsty Fiend!

    by Redbeard_NV

  • May 25, 2002, 12:28 p.m. CST

    There's Some Hidden Shit In All This Anyway...

    by DefyThis

    Christ of you are taking this a little seriously. Disrespecting the fans? He's having fun, and he always does. The people who actually FOLLOW what the writers say at the Bronze & elsewhere would notice that. How many showrunners even RESPOND to their fans more than once a year? Joss, Steve D, Fury, and others stop by fairly often in comparison. Anyhow, Goats were in "Wrecked" (Willow turning the bronze partygoers into them), and maybe the Sam Waterston ref is a nod to Elizabeth Rohm (formerly on Angel, now his partner on L&O)?

  • May 25, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Why Willow/Xander won't happen...

    by PyleanJossWhedon

    1. This isn't Dawson's Creek. One of the reasons this series has stayed so fresh is that the series' three main characters (Buffy, Xander and Willow, duh) have maintained such a strong friendship without ever having it turn romantic. ME won't violate that dynamic, especially not when that was already done on "Angel". 2. W/X shippers, though die hard, are already used to not getting what they want. Seriously, if after five seasons of seeing Xander with Cordy, Willow with Oz, Xander with Anya and Willow with Tara (with each pairing overlapping the successive ones), these fans aren't accustomed to W/X not being together romantically, they never will be. And besides, 3. W/X shippers already got their pay-off with the Xander/Willow affair in Season Three, hormonally charged as it may have been. 4. Think now that the writers have angry kittens on their hands, they can just walk all over them? Think again. Whatever you think of Joss' decision to make Willow gay, there was obviously some pressure involved from the gay/lesbian community and ME will now need to keep them happy since Tara is deceased. Even if Willow doesn't romantically hook up with anyone next season, expect her homosexuality to come up several times. 5. Don't dismiss the idea of ME introducing new characters for Xander and Willow to romance, or Xander hooking up with Anya again. Emma Caulfield isn't going to a spin-off show, they'll have to give her something to do. Also, I'm thinking we might see a celebrity big bad this year (especially if this is the last season) that will carry over into the film version. Perhaps that Big Bad will start out as Xander's new girlfriend (or Willow's).

  • May 25, 2002, 10:01 p.m. CST

    sarah mclachlan song

    by apple

    I can't locate it anywhere else, so I'll ask it here...does anyone know the name of the Sarah McLachlan song that was played at the end of the finale? Or where to find it?

  • May 25, 2002, 10:40 p.m. CST

    buffy seaons 7

    by Bobbo1701

    Why is it that everyone seems so dead set on season 7 beaing the last for buffy? Where has Joss, or Marti, or SMG, or anyone else associated with the show said "Yes, season 7 will be our last?" UPN has the show garunteed up UNTIL season 7. That means it could be the last, but UPN can always renew it. And if the ratings are anyghint like this seasons, i don't see why they won't. The show has performed very well for UPN. In fact it has taken over for the star trek shows as the networks new cash cow. So until word comes down from joss, i think we should hold off on saying that year 7 is it.

  • May 26, 2002, 2:39 a.m. CST

    time travel story would be very cool

    by FromHell

    wouldn't it be wicked to shoot Buffy back to the iron age for some mega baddy kill quest, perhapse learn more about the slayers origins. OR what if she went into the future, an apocalyptic nightmare world taken over by vampires and ruined by demon hordes. Oh and this season was cool, it had some faults but i give it four stars, the same as i'd give season 1 and 4, the others seasons are all 5 stars, BUFFY'S STILL THE BEST THING SINCE BATTERED SAUSAGE!

  • May 26, 2002, 3:39 a.m. CST

    I can't believe you people don't see it...

    by Grimjack99

    It's so obvious. Willow and Anya are going to hook up next season. They've got something in common, i.e. being rejected by Xander, so I think they're a shoo-in for a relationship. That leaves the Xand Man free to pursue Buffy, 'cause she's always been at the top of his list. Spike's got a soul, but he's still got a chip, and Xander's gotten really good at sharpening stakes...and yes, I'm joking, all you take-it-so-seriously-you're-going-to-shit-yourself people!

  • May 26, 2002, 5:59 a.m. CST

    As people who have been around for a while know, I always like t

    by Liddy McD

    It's funny. Admit it. It's the reason to watch, it's the reason B&A are the best shows on TV. Anywhere. I mean, who else is going to go online at 2-frigging-am in the morning just to take the p*ss out of his own show? No-one. Except M.E. And as for one season being better than another - well, obviously everyone's got their own opinion - but if you raise the bar that high, sometimes you crash it and sometimes you fly over. That's just the way it works - and even the worst crashes beat the hell out of watching other shows where the characters get selective amnesia on a weekly basis just so the producers can re-use the same plot again... and again... And that's all I have to say about that... (Go Joss! But the fish joke was a bit naff, sorry...)

  • May 26, 2002, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Go on, Mr. Whedon!

    by BrotherKofi

    I saw season six of Buffy (I wonder how I did it, for I'm in Germany!!) and I must say, that I enjoyed it very much. Okay, some things were questionable like the incontinuity of the Buffy/Spike thing and that Dawn was underrated. Yes, the klepto-thing is clichee. Stop it soon. Yawn! But apart from that everything was perfectly alright. I felt it was real. I think these things can happen to people. They die. They are making wrong decisions. Things don't develope in the Hollywood way. Everybody says season two was the best one. Probably I'm an outsider, but I liked season six more. Some thoughts I had: Dawn was made from Buffy's blood, right? So this should make her a slayer either, shouldn't it? So I was very happy to see that "Grave" showed her "slaying". I loved Tara. (Who didn't?) I cried when she died. (Who didn't?) But for heaven's sake, don't bring her back. In any way. No. Just ... don't. Maybe a soul gives Spike a third dimension. Don't make him evil. You did it with Angel and with Willow. Been there, done that. So this is my wish-list for season seven: More Anya-Xander-Willow triangle, more Dawn - more cool, refresh Spike, avoid a master-villain, give the actors more money for season eight, then end the series when it's still cool. Greetings from good ol' Germany!

  • May 26, 2002, 11:07 a.m. CST

    sarah mclachlan

    by apple

    I can't seem to find this anywhere else so I have to ask.....does anyone know anything about the Sarah McLachlan song that played during the season six season finale or where to find it?

  • horray.

  • May 27, 2002, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Proposed plots for S7

    by Jadar

    I have some ideas for next season - Xander will decide he wants a simpler relationship and turns his attentions to Dawn. Dawn's argument will be that she isn't THAT young - she is the same age Buffy was when she and Angel got together. Willow will focus on herself and determining who she is without being part of a relationship. Who cares if she is gay - give the girl time to sort herself out over her last relationship and her magic. She will occassionally conjure up Tara for comfort and help her deal with the past. Spike will become the stable thing in Buffy's life and bring back the happiness which has been lacking for too long now. Given that Buffy and Dawn are not terribly close anymore, Buffy will turn to Spike to be her substitute family. Giles falls in love with an English girl and the Scoobies head over for his wedding. Dawn shows her rebellious side, experimenting with Xander which puts her against Buffy. The Big Bad will be Amy who has teamed up with Jonathon - we have seen Jonathon create spells in the past (The Amazing Jonathon) and Amy will help him develop his skills. Those are my thoughts... Mind you we haven't seen the end of S6 yet in Australia, but I can't wait to see what everyone has been talking about. Joss, love your work!

  • May 27, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Joss, you lose...

    by bearlover

    Unfortunately, this 6th season comes off as a desperate attempt to "shock" the viewers that you attracted in the previous years. Scenes like the attempted rape, and supposed "daring" nude poses by James Marsters took away the subtelty of your show, and cheapened the show's reputation. And killing Tara was NOT about the gay thing??? It is to laugh. This should be added to the myriad of homophobic events that have plagued Hollywood and so aptly chronicled in "The Celluloid Closet". Not to mention that her death completely slaps your viewers in the face, and rewards them for their loyalty with a big, fat nothing. The only saving grace of this season was the phenomenal acting of Alyson Hannigan. Without her (and a few funny moments from Emma Caulfield), there would have been no reason to watch this season. And if anyone thinks that Joss will be spending more time on Buffy next year, think again. "Firefly" will absorb his attentions, until it is cancelled. Meanwhile, marti will continue to destroy what's left of Buffy with her less-than-visionary storyweaving. Bye bye - off to watch reruns of the first 5 seasons. Joss, your "Glory" is in your past now.

  • May 27, 2002, 12:33 p.m. CST

    to bearlover

    by limpsalot

    "And killing Tara was NOT about the gay thing??? It is to laugh. This should be added to the myriad of homophobic events that have plagued Hollywood and so aptly chronicled in "The Celluloid Closet". " God, I get SO friggin' tired of hearing this farfetched, sorry argument. Go post it on the Kitten board, it's their Mantra, they probably give a crap. So you'll do with the reruns from now on? Fine, bye-bye now. I loved Tara, she got killed off, shame because I loved her. Let's get on with the show.

  • i thought it very cool at Warrens reaction when Rack hadn't heard of the trio, and neither had the guys in the bar. It really showed that they were dealing with things that were way out of thier league. The more i think about this season and it's conclusion the more i like it, it's still a four star season, not quite the stand out seasons of 2, 3, and 5, but i find myself hungry for next season. I wanna see Willow post dark magic fury, Xander post fuck up everything in his life trip, Buffy and Dawn as closer siblings, and of course Spike WITH A SOUL! now you might think he'll be all kind and nice, and that may very well be, but it could drive him nuts, what if Buffy rejects him? He'd go insane! I'd like to see Willow still as a witch, now she's gone down the dark path she'll be better and more focused for it. Also i'd like to see Buffy learn more about her role as Slayer, maybe she could go on some mind trip and experience what they had gone through, or get a visit from the spirit of one. Oz and Faith would be very welcome returns, as would Drusilla. I think someone suggestion about Spike being Buffy's unofficial watcher would be cool, who better to learn from about slaying vampires than from a vampire who's killed two slayers?!

  • May 27, 2002, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Oh and all you heterophobes can go and suck a dick

    by FromHell

    Killing Tara was homophobically motivated? So just because she's gay she can't die? DO YOU RETARDS NEED A LIST OF STRAIGHT PEOPLE WHO'VE DIED THROUGH THE HISTORY OF MEDIA TO CONVINCE YOU THAT ANYONE CAN GET IT? What about Jenny Calender, Jesse, Ben, and all the dozens of victims on this show alone that have died that WERE NOT GAY! Fuck you stupid pricks that scream prosecution over the dumbest little things that obviously have nothing to do with homophobia. GIVE US ONE GOOD FUCKING REASON WHY IT'S HOMOPHOBIC! JUST ONE, YOU FUCKING PC THUG ASSHOLES!

  • May 27, 2002, 11:28 p.m. CST

    and Darth Rosenburg ruled!

    by FromHell

    everyone should make thier posts nice and short for easier reading...

  • May 28, 2002, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Guys...

    by Thalya

    mm....I just watched Welcome to the Hellmouth to School Hard. So I just watched all of S1 in one day.. I can't believe how rife with lines and just tiny things that are coming to fruition and can definitely be picked up next season of both shows. Lots of little things I can't quite think of at the moment and I'm going to have to go back and write them all down. But one thing I did see, for those who were ranting about Warren using a gun as an anti-gun message, well, there was this little episode called Angel where in the end Darla came at Buffy like she was out of a John Woo movie. Guns haven't been used since really, but still, Warren wasn't the first. And another thing, S1 did have a bit more entertainment value than S6 as a whole, if viewed under the mindset of a blank slate, watching how things were introduced and whatnot. I think in my book, S6 will be known as the Mundane Season and should be noted for how things in it broke away from the mundane. Guys, when The White Room opens (and all are invited, the Senior Partners just happen to be Senior Partners), have some topics generated for discussion, especially spec on what this next season will hold (I have a ton of it myself, based on S1 and other such things, and would love to see how much everyone can generate).

  • May 28, 2002, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Region 1 Season 2 DVD release

    by 93curr

    So, am I the only one who plans to watch all 22 hours in one sitting and then sleep all day Thursday? Heck, I scheduled vacation time for the whole week. If we can have a national stop smoking week or a national read-a-book week or whatever I don't see any reason we can't have a national everyone-who-doesn't-watch-the-whole-season-in-one-sitting-is-a-wuss week. Sleep and short attention spans are what pick the pockets of the proletariat masses.

  • May 28, 2002, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Season 6 complaints

    by 93curr

    Okay, just to play devil's advocate: now, I've been quite vocal in my defence of this season (okay, I'm never going to forgive Joss for killing off Tara, but that's another topic) but I have had some things bother me. Just for fun, let's see if anyone can defend any of them. Most of them involve the production values, not the writing. For a show that has, what, ten or eleven producers in the opening credits? 1/2. BARGAINING Okay, if they planned to kill Tara off right from the start, why the hell wasn't she in the opening credit sequence from the beginning? Why was Buffy's headstone still standing four months later. They must have been close enough to the town to hear the motorcycles from the grave. Why did no one go back and dispose of the Buffybot? I was pretty unhappy about how ignominously it was treated. If someone had picked it up, it may have ended up mentioned in the paper. Or for sale on eBay. Did anyone close the grave later? Or is it still open for anyone to see? I can imagine that in a town like Sunnydale there must be people who cover up the open graves of the vamps, but if she was buried in the woods (in a COFFIN?) someone could easily just come across it. Closure, people. Look into it. 3. AFTER LIFE What happened to Willow's arms? A few hours ago she had serious gashes from the spell. Why allow the camera to focus on their disappearance with a scene where she rubs lotion on them if not to point this out to the audience? Where the hell are all the paramedics, police and fire trucks? Why aren't we hearing sirens in the background? What about Buffy seeing skulls on the photos? That didn't seem to match the possessions. Was it just supposed to be a sign of her mental state? At the time, I thought it was significant, but it was never brought up again. 4. FLOODED Why is Willow wearing a cross? What, she converted and no one mentioned it? What about the security cameras in the bank? Why didn't we get a shot of how the troika handled them? And why did Warren have Buffy's address in his pocket? 5. LIFE SERIAL In the end, what exactly were the troika doing? Surely Warren got more than enough info on Buffy from Spike when he made the bot. Put her through her paces for what? At the time, I thought that them playing with her timeline was significant and that it would come back later, but, again, I guess not. How, exactly, was the customer satisfied in the Magic Box? Offering to order it for later delivery sure wouldn't have satisfied me. And kitten poker, but no mention of Kitty Fantastico? 6. ALL THE WAY What's with the crappy music at the party? No funds for licensing? This show used to have believable background music. Who listens to this stuff? 7. ONCE MORE, WITH FEELING Well, again, this has been covered endlessly. I was on the side that thought that Xander was just covering for Dawn. Guess not. 8. TABULA RASA no problems here that I can recall. Although I would have liked to see Tara taking away the cat when she left. 9. SMASHED Special (?) effects in the Bronze were pretty crappy. Rolled my eyes at the scene where one guy got tall and thin and another got short and fat. This was supposed to be fun? 10. WRECKED Again, the time screwup was covered endlessly. Mea culpa. I defended this as being obviously intentional. Man, was I wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Gues no one was at the wheel after all. The strange thing is, it would have been so easy to correct in editing. Huh. 11. GONE Why does Buffy get a Boston accent? (See ya latah coppa! ??) Why does she start talking to herself and whistling when she's trying to go unnoticed? Why bring in the social worker when it wouldn't lead to anyting? Did they film full-frontal naked Buffy for the scene with Spike and then digitally remove her? And will this be restored for the special edition of the season 6 DVD? And, my god, could Xander be more clueless? And wouldn't the whole thing have been less of a problem if any of them had cell phones? And if the traffic cone dissolved so quickly, wouldn't Buffy have done the same faster? And with permanent damage? 12. DOUBLEMEAT PALACE Why would the penis-monster attack her denim-covered shoulder? There were scraps of meat on the wrapper? How? 13. DEAD THINGS No problems I can recall. Gold star. 14. OLDER AND FAR AWAY Again with the crappy music? I wouldn't stay at a party that had music this bad. Would you? The less-than-stellar first aid abilities of Tara. That you can clearly see Spike's reflection in the mirror at the end. And again, kitten poker, but no one even mentions Miss Kitty. 15. AS YOU WERE If you know that your lead character is going to have to snap a monster's neck, why would you build a monster with a neck as thick as its head? 16. HELL'S BELLS Was Spike's date a vampire? Seems unlikely he's bring a killer to the schindig (ow was it a hootenanny?), but it also seems unlikely that he'd be able to explain why he couldn't go out in the daylight without a blanket. Or the state of his living conditions. And I know the original shooting script mentioned that he sent flowers, but I still miss any discussion of or appearance by Giles. 17. NORMAL AGAIN Pretty much self-contained. Any inconsistancies are covered by its concept. Which was, when all is said and done, WAY much more better than it was on Charmed. 18. ENTROPY 19. SEEING RED 20. VILLAINS The horrible ER scene. Open-heart surgery wihout taking off her shirt? "The left ventricle's flooded." Muttering of "loss of blood" This passes for dialogue? Doesn't anyone at ME watch ER? It looks as thought she may be hooked up to an IV, but I can't be sure. She sure doesn't seem to be hooked up to any of those machines that are beeping. The doctors just leave when Wilow shows up. And no one questions that she's up and walkng around hours later? I know the cops in Sunnydale are stupid, but this crosses a line. No police at the house? No camera crews at the house? No neighbors standing on the lawn watching the commotion? Well, no one cared about them when Razor and the bikers attacked, so why would they care now, huh? And it sure looks as though Willow depressed the accelerator pedal on the bus, not the brake. 21. TWO TO GO 22. GRAVE

  • May 28, 2002, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Spike the Watcher....

    by Chilli Kramer

    Here's a thought that struck me: Remember in 'Restless' where Giles and Spike were both dressed up in tweeds on those swings? This may have been a hint that Spike was going to be a watcher... but wait. Has anyone considered the possibility that Spike and Giles could be related? Think about it - Spike may have been attracted to slayers because of this, and Giles has the Ripper instinct. Spike could have fathered one of Giles's ancestors before he was vamped, perhaps with a prostitute while drunk or something, something he regrets (Imagine Giles's incredulity: 'I was a mistake!'). Maybe Spike was from a watcher family or somesuch, I'm not so clear on how watchers work. Not saying that this is what's going to happen, but wouldn't it be interesting?

  • May 28, 2002, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Joss hates Wiccans

    by pedant

    Okay, sorry for the flame bait in the subject heading, but with all the talk about Joss's alleged homophobia, I'm surprised so few people seem offended by his depiction of Wicca. I think the homophobia is a red herring, but he really has made some questionable choices regarding Willow's professed religion. Mind you, I am not personally offended by this, as I am not Wiccan, but I am very familiar with the religion and have attended many gatherings, rituals, etc. REAL Wicca bears very little resemblance to what Willow does on the show. It is first and foremost a religion, concerned like most other religions with prayer, ritual, honoring the deity, holy days, living according to a moral code, etc. Magick is only part of the picture, and even as far as that goes, nothing that Willow does resembles Wiccan magick. Real Wicca is much more akin to the "wanna-blessed-bes" that Joss made fun of a season or two ago. ***** But no, in the Buffyverse, Wicca is like a drug that can turn you into a junkie and make you do evil things. Evil things like raising a freaking Satanic temple from the ground and using it to destroy the world. Way to disparage an entire religion, Joss. Oh, and the best part? The world is saved by a CARPENTER who professes UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and is willing to SACRIFICE HIS OWN LIFE in the process -- Christianity vs. Wicca, anyone? ***** All of these ugly comparisons could be avoided with one simple step: STOP referring to Willow as a "Wicca" [sic]. It is simply not an apt term. And it implies some kind of causal relationship between the religion and her behavior, i.e. the term appears whenever people are talking about her power and her capacity for destruction. To put this in a different light, suppose that Willow was instead a student of the Kabalah, and she was referred to as "the Jew" while she's off on her quest for vengeance, murder, Satanism, and the apocalypse. I really have to wonder if there's some agenda at work here. Again, not that I personally care all that much, except to the extent that I have some friends and loved ones who are pagan, and may suffer from the skewed perception that results from this kind of propaganda.

  • May 28, 2002, 11:57 a.m. CST

    No Josh, No

    by smart woman

    Don't listen to any of them. This last season of Buffy was amazing and the finale was riveting and surprising. Don't make this next season the last. There are those of us with no lives that depend on the Slayer for adventure and excitment. OK, we have summer reruns to have lives, but what would we possibly do with 12 months. Oh, I like the Slay and Pay format. It may work for me.

  • May 28, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST

    a week late

    by luness

    I am so disappointed- last week I was travelling and deliberately computer-free, so I missed all of your lovely and sometimes overly fervent postings after the phenomenon of genius that was the finale. Here is my main query, as I'm sure most everything has been talked to death. I am torn on my feelings regarding Dawn. I've always agreed she's far too whiny and bothersome, etc (and LOVED the imitation Willow did of her at Rack's), but I liked her when fighting more than I've ever liked her. However, I fiercely don't want to see her as a slayer. Petulant? Yes, I am. Am I alone in this? I fear this will be something I have to accept, if the references to S7 as the beginning refer to Dawn's first year. By the way, the open invitation to the White Room is appreciated by all, I'm sure, but when and where (not to push, just excited)?

  • May 28, 2002, 2:20 p.m. CST

    to FromHell:

    by 93curr

    ADoes that suggestion hold whether you're a male or female heterophobe? And, FYI, I prefer the term "homophobophobic". As in "GreatOne doesn't like to be called "homophobophobophobic".

  • May 28, 2002, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Wow, I can finally post....

    by Geekgrrl

    I guess the server isn't being overtaxed anymore. Too bad everything has already been said...

  • May 28, 2002, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Everything's been said, eh?

    by Chilli Kramer

    Nope. I'd complain that no one's reading my post above headed 'Spike the Watcher' but what's the point. It'd only start an intelligent debate or somesuch thing. Go read it now! Or else I'll do some more bloody Beatles lyric parodies or something. I'd also like to point out that before the finale I was asking questions about 'the season of Xander'. Oh, and look who saved the world. But do I hear anything about my timeliness? NO! Damn I'm ornery today! Must be Post Show Tension or something....

  • May 28, 2002, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Actually,

    by Chilli Kramer

    Make that 'Post Show Stress'. I believe that's the more correct term.

  • May 28, 2002, 8:19 p.m. CST

    The Demon w. the soul giving capabilities

    by bijoux

    Anyone else notice that this demon guy had the exact same eyes as the demon who pretended to take away Angel's soul in Consequences? (remember faith throws something on him and this guy comes in for a flashy show). From there I automatically knew that poor Spikey was going to get his soul back. All I have to say to Mutant Enemy is been there, done that...and btw, the show Angel SUCKS! I love spike being a badass mf and i hope somehow he will end up that way again!

  • May 29, 2002, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Newbie

    by Celebithil

    I think, first off, that killing off Tara (my favorite by the way) was not even remotely an act of homophobia. It wasn't even done on purpose (by warren). It was just Joss's way of saying "life sucks for Everyone. No exceptions" Second, this show is an act of fiction. It does not necessarily express how everyone views certain groups (gays, wiccas...etc..) Willow going crazy with the magic and hurting people was about her own character flaws and not about Wiccans themselves. She was vengeful and hurting and wanted to cause pain to those who took her loved one. How many of us haven't felt that way? She just did what we may have all wished we could have done, because she had the power. I don't agree with what she did but I understand it. And third, the use of Xander as the hero and saviour seemed less about him being a carpenter and more about being a regular guy. He, Xander Harris, the guy who isn't super strong saved the day. And not with violence and anger, but with love and his words. He protected the world just by being a good and loyal friend to someone who was hurting so very badly that she couldn't even begin to see that what she was doing was wrong. For that, I think Joss should be applauded. Not just because he finaly gave Xander his shining moment, but also because it shows that there really is a place in the world for good guys.

  • May 29, 2002, 4:17 a.m. CST

    You're *ALL* Wrong!

    by KittyFantastico

    My reign will begin in shadow next season, as will Spike. Don't expect episode 7-1 to explain what happened to Spike in Africa, because it'll get stretched out like Darla's last turn on 'Angel' (i.e., her popping up at the end of an episode as she journeys back to L.A.). And Willow/Xander? *IF* it were to happen, it sure as hell wouldn't happen right away. Even though in the Whedonverse 'Buffy' plays out in real time, with summer's (or Summers', if you will. Will? I'll stop now) happening off screen, there's now way in hell Willow's gonna be shiny, happy cured by the start of the season, if for no other reason than it'd negate about 4 years of buildup. Whoever said that Xander and Dawn would hook up, placing a wedge between Dawn and Buffy, should possibly try new drugs. If that were to happen, the wedge would be between Xander and Buffy, what with him cradle-robbing the high-school girl....and for some reason, I find this (X./D.) *much* creepier than a 16 year-old B. with and 243 year-old Angel....blechh! But, anyway, I shall rule the darkness, Mr. Gordo does me, insert cat-paraphernalia joke here, blah blah blah, MKF out.

  • May 29, 2002, 4:26 a.m. CST

    I think Joss is doing damage control......

    by cooper2000

    I believe Joss said something to the effect that people have said something bad about every season which leads me to believe he thinks just a few fans hated the season. I honestly dont think he had a lot to do with this season. Maybe he is doing damage control after reading all the negative press not only from fans but from many journalists as well. I read many articles saying the season was very uneven so it's far from just Internet chatter.

  • May 29, 2002, 8:41 a.m. CST

    to pedant re: Wicca:

    by 93curr

    You're completely right, except for one important point: Willow isn't really Wiccan. She's referred to herself as one on occasion, and I'm sure that she'd like to think that she was, but her actions make lie of it. Just like most practicioners of any belief system tend to ignore its basics. Tara is Wiccan, Willow is just a sorceress. She came to magick through science and has used it in the same way. I've seen no evidence that anyone beyond the advertising crew at UPN have felt the need to portray her (and regarding stupid ad copy, when was she "scorned"? Frankly, I don't think the people that make this stuff up even watch the show) in any light other than self-deluding. Tara, the only true Wiccan on the show, tried to lead her down a more "spiritual path", or at least offer some sense of morality, but Will's pretty much blind to it. Contrary to your position, I don't think that the writers are making light of Wicca, I think that they're depicting a character with no respect for the "larger picture." More "social construction of reality", anyone?

  • May 29, 2002, 10:07 a.m. CST

    new topic: open question:

    by 93curr

    Okay, we got four and a half months to kill. New topic for discussion; what would make you stop watching the show? I've heard plenty of people bitching (especially over at the Cross + Stake) that they'd stop if Willow and Xander hooked up, if Buffy and Xander hooked up, if Willow and Dawn hooked up, if Sarah Michelle left the show. Excepting the truly ridiculous (the writing staff leaving, Joss forcing a political agenda, Tara being killed) what would "jump the shark" for you?

  • May 29, 2002, 10:08 a.m. CST

    re: 93curr

    by pedant

    You would have a point if not for the fact that *other* characters on the show (villains) have referred to Willow as "the Wicca." I don't see how this could be attributed to Willow's self-delusion. This is simply the definition of a Wiccan in the Buffyverse.

  • May 29, 2002, 10:26 a.m. CST

    93 curr: What would 'jump the shark' for me...

    by Chilli Kramer

    A motorbike should do it, I think.

  • May 29, 2002, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Nice to know the Buffy geeks are just as pathetic as us Star War

    by moviet00l

    George and Joss - now's THERE'S a collaboration waiting to happen.

  • May 29, 2002, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Re: Pedant v. 93curr....

    by EricAlan69

    Well, since the only people who've referred to Willow as a Wiccan were members of the Nerds of Doom (which would be maybe twice, in the last 3 episodes), and since they're supposed to be a.)completely out of the loop of reality, b.)bad guys, c.)in general, a bunch of idiots, then I'm thinking them referring to Willow as a Wiccan probably shouldn't be taken in a derogatory manner in regards to M.E.'s view of Wiccans. I'm also thinking that, in general, though Jonathan practiced a good bit of the ol' dark arts himself, yet never referred to himself as a Wiccan ('cause, you know, he was never one to begin with), they're probably doing what everyone else on the planet has done: characterizing Willow by a trait she's been known for during the last 3 seasons (in a decidedly non-evil way). Since, you know, the only people who would actually *know* that Willow wasn't just a Happy Lil' Hecate-loving pagan all the time but was the occasionally Wiggy Wicked Willow would be the Scoobs. Get it? // You sort of have to be able to understand the context of subtext before making broad generalizations about perceived slights on BtVS (i.e., Willow didn't become Darth Rosenberg because of anything remotely Wiccan, but because she's an addict, one addicted to the power given by the abuse of magic).... // e.

  • May 29, 2002, 11:05 a.m. CST

    re: Celebithil

    by pedant

    Yes, Willow's desire for vengeance came out of her own character flaws -- at first. But then she "shot up," as it were, and the magick/drug messed with her mind. Left to her own devices, she might still have gone after Warren, but I can't see her trying to kill Giles, Buffy, Xander, etc. ***** All that aside, it misses the point somewhat to say that Willow just represents one Wiccan, and not all Wiccans. She doesn't even represent one Wiccan. She's something else. Why couldn't they have made up a name for a fictional religion? Why did they have to choose Wicca? ***** And even if she did represent a Wiccan, albeit an atypical one, there is STILL an implied link between Wicca and "evil things." Let me explain by way of analogy. Suppose there were a character on the show who happened to be Christian, and who also happened to eat dog meat. Okay, thus far, I have no problem, as surely there are a few Christians in the world who do eat dog meat, and this character represents just one Christian, not all Christians. Now suppose that every time the character indulged this vice, the other characters on the show would say, "the Christian is eating dog meat again" -- i.e., referring to the character by his religion rather than by his name. Wouldn't that strike you as kind of odd? ***** Lastly, all else aside, showing ANY Wiccan worshipping at a Satanic temple is the height of insensitivity, since real-life Wiccans are constantly fighting the accusation that they are really Satanists in disguise. This is a lie that various right-wing Christian groups are still actively promoting, and if I didn't know any better, I would think that Mutant Enemy was one of them after the way they depicted Wicca this season. It reads like a Chick tract.

  • May 29, 2002, 11:16 a.m. CST

    re: EricAlan69

    by pedant

    I'm pretty sure that Rack also referred to Willow as a Wiccan. And you make the point for me -- if it's only in the last few episodes that people have been referring to her as a Wiccan, it seems mighty coincidental that these also happen to be the same episodes where she becomes the Big Bad. Hmmm.

  • May 29, 2002, 1:30 p.m. CST

    to pedant and EricAlan69:

    by 93curr

    Well, at the risk of weakening my own argument in the name of truth, justice and accuracy of Buffy paraphrasing, the "Wiccan" thing first came up when Spike was looking for a way to break up the scoobs in 'The Yoko Factor'. Claiming that Buffy and Xander had been talking about Will behind her back, that she was more into the "Wiccan thing" instead of honing her computer skills. That this was read by Tara and Willow as referring to her homo/bisexuality was, of course, the intent (that it was just a "college thing" and that she was just "being trendy")(more on that in 'Tough Love'). It could be seen as perfectly harmless (they did, after all, meet in a Wiccan discussion group) while, at the same time, causing the emotional damage intended. Buffy and Xander using it at the Magic Box ('Family') as a way of discussing their own insecurities at possibly being in a gay group at Tara's birthday party and not fitting in was pretty much no different from Seinfeld's "Not that there's anything wrong with it." And also allowed the emphasis to be placed on Tara's not having much of a social life (pre-Willow). And, to be fair, I don't think that it's too much of a cultural stereotype to suggest that homosexuality is a tiny bit more accepted among Wiccans than it is among, oh say, Southern Baptists. See, my big problem with pedant's argument is his statement that there's some implied link between Wicca and "evil things". To the contrary. Tara, as the token Wiccan on the show, has been shown to be the voice of reason. The opposite extreme would be Rack (whom no one has ever referred to as a Wiccan) who uses magick solely for power and kicks. The "evil things" seem to be the use of magick without Wiccan standards or ideals. And as for you last point; yeah, but right-wing Christian groups think that Jews are Satanists. That Muslims are Satanists. That anyone who hasn't accepted Christ is a Satanist.

  • May 29, 2002, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Wiccans and Lesbians

    by ArchDiver

    Has anyone considered that the use of the term Wicca was to expose ignorance on the part of the utterer, thereby subtly moving forward their character development. I believe of the Nerds, Warren and Andrew used the term the most (to my recollection) and they were pretty much idiots as far as magic was concerned. And by the end of the season, Wil was pretty much a sorceress as previously mentioned. She was not drawing power from Mother Earth or Hecate or anything, she was straight down with the dark arts. **** I am sick of the Tara shot= anti-gay gripes that are all over the place. The Kitten Board is rife with it. This show has had plenty of hetero and familial tragedies prior to this. Joss loves to make us care about a character so he destroy them and elicit a greater emotional impact. Tara's death has nothing to do with homophobia. If you think it does, you've got some issues to work through. AD out

  • May 29, 2002, 4:02 p.m. CST

    to ArchDiver:

    by 93curr

    ummm, the gripes are all over the place? Other than the Kitten Board, I don't think that anyone's ever even brought it up. There's been lots of pro-and anti-(and even I-don't-give-a-rat's-ass-) Tara discussion on AICN, but I don't recall any of it involving the dead/evil-lesbian cliche. At least not in terms of the show. ME writers (including Mr. Whedon) had previously openly discussed on the web said cliche (Celluloid Closet and all) and baldly stated that they wouldn't do such a thing. And then did said thing. And then said that they were forced to lie about not doing it because people had read spoilers. Now I've seen (and participated in) plenty of discussions on the state of the writers' moral redemption levels after perpetrating such evil. But, outside the Kitten Board, I've seen no discussion on the cliche itself or how Tara's death realtes to it. But hey, if you want to discuss it, let's. Personally, I don't think that it fits exactly, primarily because the show has used sex so often in the past for plot development. The cliche only fits in the context of a show/movie that utilizes other cliches. This show doesn't. Can you imagine if Tara had turned evil like Angel did after boinking Buffy? Or if Will and Tara boinking had been the battery that powered an evil haunted college dorm? Or if Tara had been skewered by a giant metal spike (how Freudian is that?) running away after finding Willow and Amy kissing in the factory? I comletely agree that Tara's death has nothing to do with homophobia. Can you give me an example of anyone who has claimed that it does? (Although deep in the darkest recesses of my soul -just kidding, I don't really have one- I do wish that Buffy had remained the one show on TV that showed a happy, healthy gay relationship. I mean, I actually do buy the argument that shows like Six Feet Under or Queer As Folk (or Buffy) treat gays as equals by writing them as screwed-up as anyone else, but it sure would be nice for contrast, if nothing else.)

  • May 29, 2002, 6:07 p.m. CST

    suggestion for series finale

    by dinpedals

    Hey, the other day I was thinking about what would be a good end to Buffy, the vampire slayer and I was thinking that in the end of the last episode of next season, in the last 10 minutes, after next season's arcs wrap up, they could show Buffy sleeping and the waking up and finding herself going to her first day of classes in Sunnydale High's sophomore year...like as if these past seven years were nothing more than a dream....and then the last scene could show her walking up the stairs of the school's entrance thinking "ok, this was some freaking crazy dream" and then stumbling over no other than- Xander and Willow! ..thus making her realize that last night's dream was in fact a foreshadow of what was to come.... wouldnt that be neat?? WRITE BACK!!

  • May 29, 2002, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Whats The White Room?

    by buffyluvr2k2

    Well here is my early prediction for next seson. I foresee a love wrecktangle (see what I did there) between Spike, Buffy, Xander, and Willow. Willow will start to develop new warm, fuzzy, heterosexual feelings for Xander. Xander will realize he still and always has had feelings for Buffy. And Buffy will be forced to choose between exciting, dangerous Spike and sweet, loving Xander. (Sound familiar - Buffy:year 1) Throw in a demon ex-girlfriend and watch the heartache ensue. Just because xander fell in love with Anya doesn't mean he ever stopped having those feelings for Buffy. You can't tell me that if Anya was out of the picture and Buffy started having serious feelings for Spike, Xander wouldn't be heartbroken that she chose Spike over him. Did anyone else feel that Xander's initial reaction was that he was way more upset that Buffy would lower herself to sleeping with Spike than he was that Anya did it. I mean seeing Anya do it made him angry, but hearing that Buffy did it made him sick. Also what is the White Room so I can post more opinions that few people agree with? (e.g. - Spike knowing he was asking for his soul back)

  • May 29, 2002, 6:24 p.m. CST

    dinpedals

    by buffyluvr2k2

    Neat? - yeah. Original? - not really. And kind of a cheap way to end one of the most interesing and creative tv shows ever. I would want and expect more than that. Besides I think the episode this year did a good enough job of touching on that "what-if-these-past-6-years-never-really-happened" idea.

  • May 29, 2002, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I AM FROM HELL, AND I SAY TO THEE...

    by FromHell

    ...bollocks...

  • May 30, 2002, 2:57 a.m. CST

    The Secrets Of THE WHITE ROOM....

    by EricAlan69

    ....will not be *completely* revealed here, but I shall shed some light on this heretofore hush-hush happening: THE WHITE ROOM shall be the home of THE POWERS THAT WATCH (aka, the 'Senior Partners'), the select and chosen few who have been notified, but it shall also be a home to all who love to yammer on endlessly about the myriad tangents of BtVS and AtS. THE WHITE ROOM is the about-to-be-opened Discussion Board (and subsequent website, when I finish building the damned thing) for a group of renegade AICN Buffy TalkBack Obsessives who can articulately discuss all things in the Whedonverse, pro AND con. Built and maintained by e. (that'd be me) and the lovely Thalya, this is to be our much talked-about 'House of Hiatus,' a permanent gathering place for those of us who are regulars here in the trenches of Herc's devising, and who think that Herc doesn't post enough 'Buffy' TalkBacks (even though he posts more of these than anything else, but like I said, we're obsessive, dammit!), and shiver at the thought of no articulate BuffyTalkBack-ing through the cruel months of summer. WHEN WILL THE WHITE ROOM BE OPEN FOR BUSINES?!?!?! I've spent the past 2 days building and tweaking, with happy Thalya-input intact, and we plan to let THE POWERS THAT WATCH know by....FRIDAY!!! The rest of you shall be notified this weekend, and then the official non-stop, non-scrolling-into-nothingness yammering shall open for business! // Your Official Host, and 1/2 of the Deadly Twosome..... e. (cue evil laughter!) (P.s.- Yes, I've posted this where all of five people will see it, near the end of it's shelf-life as a viable TalkBack....and I did it on purpose! Ha!) DON'T SAY WE DIDN'T WARN YOU!

  • May 30, 2002, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Tara's manipulation

    by Hyde01

    Well, Rogan got one thing right. Tara did manipulate Willow. She manipulated Willow by being nice and gentle and caring and loving at a time when Willow needed someone like that. Guys manipulate girls into relationships by being (or pretending to be) what they need at a particular time, girls do it to guys. We all do it to each other. Perhaps its subconsciously or overtly, but that's how people fall in love. Why is that a problem when a girl does that to a girl? Or a guy to a guy? Have you ever been hit on by a guy? It's no big deal... unless you're already scared to death you might swing that way. If Willow didn't already have those tendencies, no matter how buried... she never would've accepted Tara's (very tentative) overtures. Example- "I am, you know." "What?" "Yours." Tender smiles. If that hadn't been acceptable to Willow, I'm sure she would've said something, or pulled one of her dizzy Willow bits and dithered about it amusingly to either Buffy or Xander later.

  • May 30, 2002, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Hyde01....

    by EricAlan69

    Short, sweet and undeniably to the point.... Kudos! // e.

  • May 30, 2002, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Ok - so has anyone asked this about Charisma Carpenter

    by Geekgrrl

    Is she pregnant or what? She was written out of two eps, and then they shot her from the neck up a lot, or they gave her outfits that draped and covered her tummy, like overalls and jackets.... I know there's talk she may not make it back next season, but could this be the reason why?

  • May 30, 2002, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Willow's next romantic interest

    by 93curr

    So Marti Noxon's publicly stated that Willow WILL have a new love interest and it's gonna be really, really someone unexpected. Uh huh. Well the pessimist in me is thinking that she thinks that Xander will come as a total shock. The optimist is placing bets on someone less likely. Buffy, Anya, Amy, Giles or Dawn seem either too obvious or icky (or both). But they did make a point of having Osiris patiently explain (gods debate now?) that Tara couldn't be returned because she wasn't destroyed by mystical energy (or was it forces? I forget). But -wait for it- Warren was. Yes, the shocking finale next year is that, to pay for her sins, Willow will resurect Warren and promply fall madly in love with him. After he agrees to make a Tarabot for her. Proving that, deep down, she truly is evil. I am so full of cold medication right now it's not funny. But serously folks, am I the only one beginning to wonder if having something totally unexpected is really the wisest course of action here? Or is it that I'm just jealous of anyone that gets her that's not me?

  • May 31, 2002, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Joss rules!!! and the finale was awesome. made me cry.

    by a goonie

    and Xander saved the world. man, i love Buffy. i'm just bloody obsessed with this show. and man, does Joss rule!!! the guy's emails were hilarious! i loved em! not that you'll read this, but thanks Joss, for giving me this show i love so much. and for the emails. the emails were great, too.

  • May 31, 2002, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Geekgrrl....

    by EricAlan69

    The only rumours I've heard about Charisma lately were that she was dealing with a nasty drug problem, but that seems unlikely.... // e.

  • May 31, 2002, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Just my 2Cents ..

    by JazzSP8

    Hey guys :-) I am new to this "Aint It Cool News" thing .. So .. If I repeat something then please dont jump all over me :-) OK .. I, like most people came to the conclusion that Buffy Season 6 kinda sucked .. I was one episode off not watching the show ever again. Then, Tara got killed and all was forgiven with the show when Willow's eyes went all black. Then I thought about what had happened over the Season and it dawned on me that maybe this was the way Joss intended the show to be this year. Buffy & Angel where truly seperated this year, with Buffy going over to UPN and Angel staying with WB (I think, I am English so there both on the same channel over here still). And when you look back over this years Angel and Buffy you will notice that they both deal with relationships and losing those relationships, perhaps more importantly how people deal with the loss of said relationship. Perhaps everything that happened was a way of letting the fans know that he didnt really want to split the two shows up, but, it was neccessary in the end. Then again .. Perhaps I am looking into it all a little too deeply ..

  • May 31, 2002, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Unexpected things

    by Darth Lechon

    JazzSP8, you can NEVER read too much into these things. Unless you're looking for secret, anti-gay propaganda. Then you're looking too much into these things. 93curr, as for unexpected things happening next year, I predict that they will introduce a little green alien called Asmodiar that only Buffy can see. (I hope you're a Simpsons fan too, cuz' if you aren't, that last sentence won't make much sense.)

  • June 1, 2002, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Once More With Feeling CD

    by Honeybunches

    Does anyone know when they are going to bring out a CD and score of the superb Once More With Feeling episode in the UK? I really enjoyed Season 6, joss Whedon you keep coming up with new episodes to revolutionalise tv first Hush then OMWF. Can't wait for Ripper.

  • June 1, 2002, 1:49 p.m. CST

    by griffin02

    once again, the buffy writers have saved what has been an uneven season to say the least with a brilliant and entertaining season finale. I really hope season 7 isn't the end, and they need to start releasing the later seasons on dvd much sooner than they are. I am just now catching season 5 on fx, and i'll be damned if it isn't as good as everyone says it was, even though i know how it plays out

  • Being such a Shakespeare fan (and having some familiarity with the Nazarean (sp?) propecies, didn't it occur to J Whedon that if Anya's wish that Xander had never been born would only have meant that his mother would have had a c-section instead? And that little, if anything, would have changed? Surely Anya should have wished that he had never been conceived instead, right? And has anyone else considered the problem that, now that Spike has a soul, but still has the chip, that said chip would go off ehenever he hurt himself. And seeing as how he can't see his own reflection when he shaves... can't you see where I'm going with this? Plenty of opportunities for bawdy French farce, or physical comedy of some kind. Sorry, but I'm saving all my intelligent and well-thought out comments for when the White Room opens. You guys get the left-overs and outtakes.

  • June 3, 2002, 4:17 p.m. CST

    to Darth Lechon:

    by 93curr

    Or how about, instead of Buffy having an invisible friend, it's Willow who sees a small invisible Tara (Tinkerbell reference again?). And no one can figure out if she's delusional and still needs help (lots of it!) or if it's just a hellmouth thing. That should satisfy the requirement for the outline of season seven that reads "this year, let's REALLY piss off the kittens!" and won't infringe on any Fox copyright. And avoids the problem of getting a new love interest for Will. (although I still think that Anya's idea of having someone wish that Spike was female would be really neat. not to mention keen, also)

  • June 3, 2002, 8:40 p.m. CST

    interesting idea...

    by unknown01

    OK, so we know Will needs a new love interest. We know she's gay. We know that Joss likes to throw in the least expected things and laugh as we gawk at the TV. So, here's an idea that meets all of the requirements: Willow and Buffy. OK, so I know it probably would never, ever happen, but a girl can dream, can't she? There are a few things I've been wondering about as far as Spike and Dawn goes. As far as Spike goes, if he has his soul, but still ahs the chip, will he be able to help the Scoobs fight? The fact of the matter is that the Scoobs don't just fight demons and vamps anymore. There are people out there the the Scoobs fight, and technically, Spike would not be able to help them in that aspect. My question about Dawn is this: is anyone else thinking Dawn might be the next Slayer? I don't know if that would be really good or not, but I was thinking that that is what the nice folks at M.E. were trying to set up.

  • June 8, 2002, 12:02 a.m. CST

    S6 Finale

    by Sweetpea

    I must say I really enjoyed the last few episodes of Buffy, even if Willow on top of the truck was rather corny and her comment about Buffy being a "Super Bitch" a bit overdone. I did find the skinning of Warren pretty horrible but yet fasinating. I just cant wait for S7 to start! There are so many things to consider: Does Buffy deserve happiness with a SNAG, human, poetry-loving Spike? ("I want to give the slayer what she deserves" and "I want to be what I once was". Note: these are not exact quotes. Joss said a vampire with a soul has already been done - so does that mean spike is now human?). Will Dawn go on patrols? Will Xander and Anya ever sort things out? Will Willow have a relapse? Will Giles ever come back to Sunnydale to live? (Joss did hint that there may be some episodes in England so perhaps Giles stays there and the Scooby gang goes to England to help him on something.) Anyway while I didn't particularly like seeing Spike naked all the time the series wounded up nicely. Buffy is still the best show in the world, closely followed by Angel! Thumbs up Joss & Co. Kudos to you all!