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Worst Director Ever... in running for ALIENS VS PREDATOR'
Harry here... FUCK THIS! I loathe Paul Anderson movies... Loathe them the way I loathe BATMAN & ROBIN or ROLLERBALL. They're just things that didn't need to exist. Paul Anderson continually makes mediocre films at outrageous prices. He has taken a great script (SOLDIER) and turned out trash. He's been given gobs and gobs of cash and flushed out on to our screens with turkeys like EVENT HORIZON. He made RESIDENT EVIL which felt like the pansiest loud noisy obnoxiously castrated zombie flick in years! Now they want to trust that guy with ALIENS VS PREDATOR? FUCK THIS! We've been waiting for a zillion years for this flick to get made and now they're gonna shovel it off to this.... ahem... talent... ARGH!!! Why do they hurt us so? ARGH!!!
Harry,
Good news first. Aliens vs. Predator is alive again.
Bad News (Really Bad News): Apparently Paul Anderson is now the #1 contender to get the project, based on the strength of the pitch he gave.
To me this is a terrible way to go. The guy screwed up "Soldier" (which could have been great), "Resident Evil" (A zombie movie with no balls, and certainly no bite) and "Event Horizon" (don't even get me started). I'll admit that I loved "Mortal Kombat" when I saw it, but it was a combination of being a rabid fan of the game, and having never been exposed to martial arts with some VFX razzle dazzle. Now, about 9 years later, I can barely watch it.
Is this person worthy to bring one of Sci-Fi fandom's most wettest of dreams to the screen?
Personally, I don't think he's worthy. But apparently FOX & Davis Entertainment think that because he made "Resident Evil" look twice as expensive as it cost, perhaps he's the one. I've always went into Paul Anderson's movies WANTING TO LOVE THEM. But he never delivers. Find someone who really LOVES anyone of his movies. Shit, find someone who LIKES more than one of them. Good luck.
I hope the studios see that this guy has a clear history of screwing up prime material, and go with someone who can deliver the goodness we all have been dreaming of.
-Jub Jub
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His other films suck, though. But he's not the worst choice for A vs P
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Hey Bastards.....First....
Hey Bastards....I liked Soldier.
Hey Bastards....this will rule, no matter who's running the ship.....death craziness -
Beat by a few seconds....Fuck
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The rest of the movies you mentioned,however, do indeed suck.
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I want this film to be made, personally I dont give a crap who makes it, sure there are better directors, but how badly could he fuck up a movie about a bunch of aliens who dont talk kicking the shit out of another bunch of aliens who dont talk. Its a no-brainer. plus I really liked Event Horizon,
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All I needed to read was the title of the post to know who Harry Knowles was talking about. Apparently Harry only hates one director. Of the films Anderson made the only one that doesn't live up to its potential is "Soldier". Did Harry write a review for "Resident Evil"? I doubt he has even seen it. Anderson embrasses cliches and has fun with them, the exact thing a movie like "Aien vs. Predator" needs. With Anderson directing I'm there.
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May 21, 2002 4:56:27 AM CDT
I liked Mortal Kombat, I tolerated Soldier because Kurt Russel w
by enigmainyourhead
but Resident Evil was the first time in many years that I regretted paying money. Horror films should scare you, and the soundtrack beat should happen AFTER THE ZOMBIE POPS OUT, not before, but Marilyn Manson has as much talent at composing as a dead cat has at licking a milk dud.
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Firstly it's a damned good thing my boyfriend is asleep because he would be filling this up with a huge rant (bigger than mine that's for sure) about this as he loves Paul Anderson. In Event Horizon you have one of the most bone chillingly terrifying fiilms ever. And it's just damn good generally. Mortal Kombat is such a fun movie I don't think anyone can say a thing against it. I mean look at its competitor. The street fighter flick was the biggest pile of poo ever and with midgets for main characters. Mortal Kombat was damned fun and good which is exactly wht Alien vs. Predator should be. A mixture of Event Horizon nd Mortal Kombat. Oh and yeah why havsn't there been a Resident Evil review? I saw it last week and thought it was really cool. I've managed to watch it three times since and I still think it's fun, scary, suspenseful and not too badly acted. I really liked it and other people should be encouraged to see it! But no Harry doesn't like Paul Anderson (did we get any decent reason why???).
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Don't just write off Paul Anderson out of hand. He's a talented director who has been doubted in the past and still come through with flying colors. If he chooses to do a sci-fi film as a follow up to his comedy with Garry Shandling, then I say great, I can't wait!
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All signs point to this guy being better at administering blow jobs than anybody else in the movie biz. And that is all he's good at (and no, i can't say i know this first 'hand', but i'm obviously missing out).
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What? WHAT? Cliches? AvP doesn't need cliches!!! WTF are you talking about? OK, so Event Horizon wasn't bad, but the other films are DIRE DIRE DIRE. This is the worse news I've heard in years. Paul Thomas Anderson hasn't prooved himself a worthy enough film maker to be at the helm of a film that could potentialy destroy TWO franchises if it fails.
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Not a fan of PA, but the trash that he is getting in this web site is completely unfair. Not a great director, granted, but obviously not the worst one. You want cool news?, why don
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This boring little vendetta against Paul Anderson is shortening your own lifespan and not getting you any respect. Some of us agree with you, some don't. Move on.
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May 21, 2002 5:04:23 AM CDT
Harry, when will you learn to stop being so hateful and undersat
by jak flash 2000
Harry where is your honour. I'll bet that Paul has nothing but good things to say about you. And you just bad mouth him with all your strength. How pety and pathetic. If you concentrate your energies on your riewiewing skills (people observe Harrys Charlies Angels and Blade 2 Review which contains almost no good or funy information). Its easy to tear the guy a new one Harry. But like any other reviewer you don't understand the work, time, commitment, blood, sweat and love that goes into a film. Sometimes the studios mess things up and not the director. It wasnt Joel Schumacher's fault about Batman and Robin. It was the studios. They wanted a child orientated film to sell more toys so Schumacher did so and unfortunatly it flopped. It wasnt intentional and he has apolagised on several occations. He has since followed up with two excellent films these being "Tigerland" and "Phone Booth". Every good director has at least one flop. Spielberg, Scorsese, Burton. So why should the case of one or two failed films stop this man from delivering us an oscar winning performence in a couple of years time. On the subject, I was -ersoanlly quite surprised at how good Resident Evil was. If you call Andersons films the worst you have ever seen Harry, then you havent seen what I have seen, and what I have seen would turn you white. Just give the guy a chance Harry and one day I know he will come up with the true hit to make you change your mind. So expand your horizons Harry. And give all a chance. I belive that Anderson will make a hit (as he has in the past, even if they werent quite to your liking), encourage and believe and a flower shall bloom from the darkest shade of the glade.
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fuck aliens vs. predator, i want to see ripley and dutch face it off in downtown futuristic l.a, kick lumps out of each other, and then arnie can dump her head in a vat of lava at the end and say ' youre a little hot under the collar bitch '. I couldnt give a shit who directs this movie, why make it ? The comic book spin-offs of alien/predator are lame and i have no hope at all for this. Event Horizon was average, apart from those fucked up shots of anarchy and carnage in hell . I am sure that this guy could do the most grotesque horror movie ever...he should just steer clear of everything else.
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surely a bit cruel for this time in the morning.
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I like "Event Horizon", and "Resident Evil" and Andersons first film shopping was great as well. Not only did it have a goo storyline but it helped establish talent like Jude Law and Sadie Frost.
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There is Paul Anderson and Paul THOMAS Anderson! You amateur...
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I thought Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was boring turgid crap and I fell asleep! LOTR rules over Star Wars! Jar Jar Binks raped my lunchbreak! erm... Hulk Dogs! Bullshit! Okay, bring on the flames.
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First time I have posted on this as I hate it when people do not even check their facts.
Come on people it is not that hard
Paul THOMAS Anderson is very different to Paul Anderson! Now I may have taken the bait here but it has to be pointed out!
One directs in a very paint by numbers way, they other has some great ideas and innovations in narrative telling.
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Picture Predators walking in slow motion, holding twin blasters in their hands, dreads flapping in the breeze... a flock of white birds fly through for absolutely no reason... then Tom Cruise steps in and re-edits it until it no longer makes any sense. Big ending: last Predator and last Alien Queen lunge out from around a corner... they come face-to-face, Predator holding out wristblades to Alien's throat, Alien Queen's inner jaws poised to cave in Predator's forehead... THEN YODA SHOWS UP WITH THE CLONE TROOPS AND WHUPS ASS, BABY!
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Mr Anderson has an amazing talent he takes good or decent material and turns them into huge steaming piles of shit!!!
This man getting Alien Vd Pred has to be stoped at all costs. In fact if Fox is preopared to hire him can i have the job i'll sure as hell do a better job than him!! -
May 21, 2002 5:30:18 AM CDT
Snuggleskunk: You do so deserve to live (smiley face thing here)
by almost sexy
Don't be too put off by Caped Avenger. She's just a little sassy in the morning. It comes from spending so much time trying to be vivacious. But anyway, I've forgotten the combination to my lock and now I have to go get a new one. I hope y'all feel sufficiently sorry for me. Freddie Prinze Jr. was on Leno tonight, but I didn't catch his segment...I don't suppose anyone taped it or made a transcript??? Does anyone know how I might see the film entitled "Jesus Christ Vampire Killer?" Is is released/distributed. I love the obligatory Anderson director mix-up jokes, although I usually try to throw in something about Wes.
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Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, A vs P? Oh right, take Jan De Bont as second director assistant, Freddy Prinz Junior as new "Bill Paxton" and let Jerry Bruckheimer (anno 2001) produce that flick..of course, it must be rated PG-13.
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May 21, 2002 5:42:05 AM CDT
Harry hated Resident Evil? Funny how we never saw a review to t
by charles grady
until now that it's safely out of theatres and a bad word from Harry won't deter the fanboy community from seeing a New Line picture. I'm not trying to be another nitwit screaming "Shill!" or accusing Harry of anything, and let's face it, it's his site. But come on, here's another instance of the Big Guy treating New Line with kid gloves. Resident Evil is a fanboy-centric flick that screamed out for an official Knowles review, yet he was conspicuously silent about it during its theatrical run. Where was this vitriol then? If he hated it this much, why no word before or during its release? He sure didn't keep silent on Rollerball, but then MGM doesn't have much going for it that interests Harry. As for ALIEN VS. PREDATOR -- who was actually excited about this, anwyay, 12 year old boys? First of all, PREDATOR is hardly much of a "series" to begin with, and the strength of the "Alien" films has been their strong characters, atmosphere, and direction, all of which would presumably be jettisoned in favor of a juvenile "King Kong vs. Godzilla"-style matchup. And, uh, guys, hate to tell you this, but the people who made the references to Paul Thomas Anderson were probably joking.
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i liked resident evil, fun movie, i thought. i liked soldier, fun movie, yet again. even horizon...not a fan, but it was scary. p. anderson is as good a choice as any for this flick, better than most actually. i too get tired of listening to harry go off on 'rants' to convince readers he's still 'independent' and 'not sold out.' so he picks this guy as his pet project to fuck with, and picks other directors like p. jackson to raise up on high. its very tiring, and very transparent.
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he better do it by the peter briggs script or we shall uprise and KILL mr anderson! i like the tune of that, mr anderson, he should go by that name, its better.
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I'm not sure why people hate this movie. I think they take potshots at it because it's become the "cool" thing to do, whether they actually liked the film or not. EH was certainly better than the trash I've seen the last few years, and at least succeeded in being a scary horror/scifi space movie. Other sf movies like Red Planet & Mission to Mars, etc, brought nothing new to the table and were a waste of film. Reserve your scorn for those. NOW, if we talk about SOLDIER, I have to agree - a lousy flick if ever there was one. Not sure what the hell happened with that. If you judge Anderson on that, then yes, you would have a case for saying he can't direct, write or deliver quality of any kind. A godawful movie. Event Horizon, on the other hand, shows that he can do good work with the right material. Not sure about AvP, though. Leave it as a PC game where YOU control the action...
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May 21, 2002 6:06:20 AM CDT
DexterJetser was taking the piss about p.t.anderson vs paul ande
by martin q blank
And I actually really liked Resident Evil. Obviously though the first act (suspense) was way better then the second act (zombie) and third act (monster).
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They picked the right director
to helm FREDDY VS.JASON with
Ronny Yu,Yet a potential great film is gonna be ruined by shitface. If anyone cares about this movie at all YOU all should let fox know that we don't want shitface directing anymore films
let alone this one. What's gonna be next tom green directing a
ROBOCOP VS. TERMINATOR FLICK?
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I think Dexter was being ironic. In fact I know he was as I have a modicum of fucking intelligence.
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THE BIG HIT was the shiznit and Kirk could more than prove his mettle with an Aliens VS Predator film. Before Kirk shoots IRON FIST he could do FOX a very big favor and helm this beauty. Following that, he can do my Monkey King film with Donnie Yen.
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They picked the right director
to helm FREDDY VS.JASON with
Ronny Yu,Yet a potential great film is gonna be ruined by shitface. If anyone cares about this movie at all YOU all should let fox know that we don't want shitface directing anymore films
let alone this one. What's gonna be next tom green directing a
ROBOCOP VS. TERMINATOR FLICK?
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sorry but he isn't that bad of a director....I really dug Event Horizon when it came out, it was Creepy and Visual!!! Give the guy a break! Paul Anderson at least is making movies, more then most of us can say about ourselves!!
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The one good thing about this bloke is his nationality; he's a Brit. He also made a relatively decent first movie; $hopping. But everything else he's made is utter, utter wank. PLEASE GET SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!
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someone needs to start a petition to stop paul anderson from doing this. i don't know how to start one so uh, someone else do it quick! some guy above just said that others were morons for not being able to tell when someone is being sarcastic in their post. u are a cool person. am i being sarcastic?
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I remembered the combination, so I'm not out the five bucks after all. And Danny Ocean, I think the guys above were kidding about not realizing that what's-'is-face was joking about the Magnificent Andersons thing. You notice how things like this never happened to Peckinpah... Can anyone recommend any good movies for SIFF this year? I didn't go see Battle Royale when I had the chance, and now probably never will. Oh well,
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What's wrong with Event Horizon? It's the most extreme and different film they had in years! How couldja put that down and favour so-called horrors like Ginger "Cornish-pasty" Snaps! Admitedly, it dragged in a few places - but it had the most intense production design and excellent acting from Lawrence Fisgburne, exhibiting the power that he eventually showed in the Matrix a full two years before. Hey, Soldier was bad and as far as I can tell there have been NO (1 nonplussed) bad reviews of Resident Evil on this website. It could have been worse, could have been given to the director of The Avengers. Now that would have been worth complaining about. I think he may be able to pull it off. Slagging directors off who may actually read this website is no help to them, instead, a director like Paul Anderson may be able to learn from the experiences of the people that write on it. A good article on what they should do with AVP, or even a talkback about what the fans expect (with all the crap taken out) forwarded to him if he does get the position would be more important that dissing the guy continuously. This website has POWER over people in Hollywood, as it can make or break films. A bad mouthing here is a strong weapon - but don't pre-empt. Let's do something with that power and take the opportunity to put forward our views in a concise manner. I saw P. Anderson on a documentary about british filmmaking a few years ago, and if anything his hearts in the right place. People like him should be a friend of the fans, not made an enemy. If he can pull it off, make something of it, then perhaps the fan-boy generation should get behind him and give him a push in the right direction. God knows, he's not an awful director. He can pull off action sequences and can do suspense, and at least tries things a little differently. Given the proper budget, he could do wonders for AVP. And I'd be looking forward to it. If any of the ideas I've puit forward some to fruition, then great - we can do our bit. If we're not listened to, then we know that in truth, Hollywood doesn't care and we'll be subjected to the same-old-same-old crap for years to come. Now's the time, people. Let's get it together, stop being petty and help get this genius idea MADE.
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What's that? He's dead? Dig him up anyway, Ed Wood's corpse is a better filmmaker than Ed Wood himself! Ed Wood, now THERE'S a bad director.
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And personally i loved Soldier, have it on DVD. I enjoyed it because Kurt Russel kicks ass.
Harry, who do you really want to be the director of A vs P?
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" a director like Paul Anderson may be able to learn from the experiences of the people that write on it. A good article on what they should do with AVP, or even a talkback about what the fans expect (with all the crap taken out) forwarded to him if he does get the position would be more important that dissing the guy continuously." What a great idea. Lets make this fuckin flick for him eh? The one thing going for this hack is he can make a movie look more impressive than the budget should allow. But this could be a classic fuckin Sc-fi movie - Anderson will fuck it up. I'm glad he's making movies whilst we all slag him off in TalkBack...but this is a bad idea.
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May 21, 2002 6:56:29 AM CDT
Give it John McTiernan - its about time he made a decent flick
by souljacker
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Here's a list of the films Paul Anderson has directed (and will direct, according to IMDB)....---
Resident Evil: Nemesis (2003)(as Paul W.S. Anderson), ,
Resident Evil (2002), Sight, The (2000) (TV) (as Paul W.S. Anderson),
Soldier (1998)
Event Horizon (1997),
Mortal Kombat (1995),
Shopping (1994)---....Let's start with the earliest. Shopping: I liked Shopping. It had a good script and Jude Law, Harry. JUDE LAW. Mortal Kombat: While not going to go down as a movie classic, I found myself entertained throughout, despite its glaring flaws. Event Horizon: I loved Event Horizon. In fact, EH is my favorite Paul Anderson flick. While not without its flaws it managed to be what it was supposed to be. A scary f'n ride. Nothing more, nothing less. If they ever make a special edition DVD I am so there. Soldier: I agree with you on this one. Kurt Russell was fantastic in this movie. Had he not been the only interesting character in the entire movie it would have been so much better. The Sight: Didn't see it. Resident Evil: Should have been so much more than the same old Hollywood drivel, although it does get points for not being as bad as it COULD have been. Anderson dropped the ball on this one, and the movie will forever be remembered for the scene where Alice (Milla Jovovich) acts completely out of character and runs up a wall and ninja kicks zombie dogs, making this movie the 4,987th movie to rip off The Matrix. However, Harry I agree with you on a few points. While Anderson certainly isn't the worst director in Hollywood (That would have to be McG naming off the top of my head), he isn't great either. He's good at what he does and that's make safe, predictable action/suspense pictures that are perfect for when you've got two hours to kill and wouldn't mind switching your brain off for a little while. But I also agree with you on the fact that he isn't good enough to make the kind of movie that us raving, spoiler-craving geeks have dreamed for years about. But then again by our standards no one is, since even if Anderson puts passion into it and makes Aliens vs Predator the best movie in both franchises and turns it into something magical, you'll still find something wrong with it and drive it into the ground. To paraphrase Holden McNeil, The internet has given everyone a voice. Which they use to bitch about movies. We can never be made happy. You think fanboys are going to settle for anything less than a perfect Aliens vs Predator movie? Hell no, we'll still bitch and pick it apart, complaining endlessly about what's wrong with it ending our posts with such enlightened prose as "F*** Paul Anderson, F*** Paul Anderson up his stupid ass" no matter how good it actually might be. While yes, I do agree that they could have picked a better director (Imagine what Fincher could have done with it, or Ang Lee? Actually, scratch that. I'm picturing Queen Xenomorph/Predator wire-fu in front of a waterfall or the Predator staring into a mirror saying "I like it" as I type), but we shouldn't lynch Paul Anderson quite yet. That isn't fair, not to anyone involved in the production of the movie. Shooting hasn't even started. Let's wait a few months and be neutral about it, get some production notes, spoilers, perhaps a script review from Harry or Herc or Moriarty before we pass judgement. Does that sound fair? -
There's a great Capcom arcade of the same title released in 1994. It could very well be a worthy contender as a full-length anime movie with improbable logics and tons of violence and ammo and gore and Dutch flexing his muscle while blasting away hordes of alien species with the shitload of weapons. Bet James Cameron would've loved it, considering he's a fan of Ghost in the Shell, Metropolis and *really* good anime in general. I don't think Paul Anderson could pull off an ambitious live-action violence galore movie. Why haven't they considered Robocop vs The Terminator for development in joint collaboration with Paul Verhoeven, Michael Miner & Ed Neumeier and James Cameron & ex-wife producer Gale Anne Hurd? If T3 proves to be a gigantic b.o. hit, then get that project into development but only with the creators' insight. If all else fails, stick to good comic books and well-done video games. While we're at it, what happened to Predator 3 that was supposed to be directed by Robert Rodriguez from the project he developed? Any good contender for directing such an impossibly ambitious sci-fi action horror pic? Ridley Scott's done with it (maybe Alien 5) but he's a hack director like his bro Tony and hasn't made a good movie since Thelma & Louise; James Cameron don't need to take this project and run with it at increasing budget again. David Fincher and John McTiernan might have tried, but Fincher's vision will always stay dark, macabre and grim while McTiernan's another hack director who made good movies and bad movies in-between. Don't say Stephen Hopkins, the guy who botched Predator 2 with mindlessly meandering, over-the-top coarse and illogical script, mindlessly limp direction, mindlessly lame acting and mindlessly gratuitous violence. Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Joss Whedon single-handedly fucked up Alien Resurrection and basically pissed on the franchise in the grave, besides after the fact Fox executives tinkered with Fincher's final cut (there's a workprint bootleg video circulating that has deleted scenes pertaining to character development, which might've improved a mediocre movie). All of the contenders above need to move on (please, no Scott directing Alien 5 with fast motion and quick cuts - we've seen enough of that faddish shit) and a new director with a good background in filmmaking and visual effect technology brought on board to helm this massive project and be able to pull off a quality film rather than shit films churned out by Paul Anderson, McG, Michael Bay and other hack directors who simply have no original ideas in their bones and just swipe off scenes and dialogues from other movies to pass off as their own "creative" work. Unfortunately, directors who understand that substance and quality are very important elements of film plus experience in film and literacy in Hollywood is very scarce. The Wachowski brothers, while admittedly they borrow from sources too much for The Matrix and Bound, might be good contenders - but they're too busy to give a damn and are only interested in producing Conan King of Iron and directing a black cannibal comedy from their first previously rejected sccreenplay after done with Matrix sequels. Why don't they consider Christopher Nolan? He's got a huge talent - markedly top notch in directorial profession than bad direct-to-video B-movie, lame teen comedy and hack movie directors.
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Paul Thomas Anderson him of Magnolia, boogie nights, hard eight fame is NOT Paul Anderson of mortal kombat, event horizon, shopping, resident evil eh "fame"?
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Man, i loved that review of Episode II - probably the best movie review i have ever read. But what is up with this - sounds like stuff you would hear in grade school. Very tiresome and a bore to hear rants like this. Disappointing too.
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May 21, 2002 7:12:37 AM CDT
DON'T WORRY FOX HAVE ROOM TO MOVE WITH ALL THAT UNDECLARED C
by shaggins
You didn't think they'd miss the opportunity to under report Clones box office now did you?
They can lauder the money on other movies, even loan it to other studios, anything but let it fall into the hands of Lucas.
So don't worry. FOX movies will do fine, even if crappy directors are attached.
Oh, you were actually worried about the quality! Well you can't have everything!
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And this isn't "Boogie Nights" or "Magnolia" as someone pointed out. This is hardcore. Or, it's supposed to be. As Soldier was supposed to be. It made me sad to hear a clip from Fluke's 'Absurd' in the commercial for the movie, as I love the band and I loved everything I had heard of the movie's concept... until I saw it. And realised that everything I was planning to love in the movie... well, I had just that much amount of hate for the person who fucked up its execution. Kurt Russel *was* great, the idea, the dialogue, the scenario... all those *were* great. That's the point, people. If a man can take so many great elements, add his own personal touch, and get a movie that wouldn't pass for a reject episode of Xena... well, it's just kinda sad. I'm all for giving people second chances... sure, Paul Anderson has done *much* better work... but never in scifi/horror. Get him the fuck away from this project NOW.
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Except for Event Horizon. It was pretty good. As all movies, it could have been even better. But the reason it was pretty damn good and not suck lies in the script. The end was perfectly written, and in a way in which it couldn't be candied up and *over* moralized (as in Soldier taking itself seriously... come on...)
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but those other films were shyte!
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I had all but written this off as a pipe dream. Wasn't he all but signed for this about six months ago? Anderson sucks, he has no sense in directing action. Resident Evil was a joke, and I seriously doubt PA has even watched a zombie movie. Hopefully, they'll put this off for another 10 years. No movie is a hell of a lot better than a bad movie.
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If anything, look at the amount of public opinion being generated, right here, right now! Fox execs should, by RIGHTS - our goddamn rights as PAYING CUSTOMERS - be reading this stuff! We've got views, opinions, and ideas floating around here! AND THEY're ALL DAMN VALID! Why shouldn't people listen to the public - even if we're fanboy's and geeks? We're the paying majority here! It's time for a damn revolution! Sure, we're not going to alter the viewing-habits of the Pearl Harbour viewing zombie morons that frequent our cinemas giving grade-a cack like Titanic incredible profits. But the majority of people that are going to view a flick like AVP are people like us, and surely our opinions are valid.
It's OK languishing our views in this website, but hey - we've got a fine spokesman in both Harry and Moriaty. They don't seem to realise they're own worth. The geekiness of this website sometimes spoils valid points, as does useless rants like the ones above.
I worry when I see the vast amounts of money being poured into crap, like everyone else. Look at Predator 2, for gods sake! Could that film be any worse? This film should be gritty, scary and realistic. Two of the best movie monster ever going mano-a-mano. Great! What made Predator 2 watchable WAS this fantastic creature, going around making sushi of cops and dealers, even if the cinematography, script and acting were risible.
I'd be really suprised if Anderson scerwed it up.
A great movie, a god-damn-gerat movie is ALWAYS going to make more money than a mediocre one. What if TPM had turned out to be incredible? It's profits would skyrocket higher than the stratopheric heights it has reached now. Look at Pearl Harbour - you can pump as much money into mediocrity, but if the script is wrong forget it. It could have made much more money. Final Fantasy is another.
They CAN'T afford to screw it up. Anderson would know this. He's as much a fanboy as everyone else, and if anything, if he gets this film he's going to be positively afraid about what people like him that he can relate to are going to think. This is his FIRST real opportunity, and he knows in his mind that he canm't screw it up. There's no way he'd let it.
And for that I trust him more than Harry.
Even great directors have bad moments, often that go on for years. Look at Francis Ford Coppola, for gods sake. The amount of directors that have gone down the pan are incredible. But people can change, turn around their output. It's suprising that GI Jane and Hannibal are directed but the same guy that made Alien and Gladiator. What if people had told CAmeron to fuck off after Pirahna 2?
Sure Andersons got a couple of bad eggs behind him, but as we can tell from the majority of talkbackers, most of his films where really well recieved. Soldier stinks - so what?? Things have progressed from Mortal Combat - so what? Will the Matrix look as good in the light of its sequels and future films? We know the guy CAN pull off action and effects sequences. Surely Soldier was faulty before filming, at script stage.
These things happen. Why do they happen? Who knows! But they DO! And there is always the equal chance smoething great can be pulled from the ether! Someone's always going to be dissapointed. What makes this website great is the views, the opinions. And let's keep them rolling. Because, sooner or later, someone's going to take notice. We're not making films for them, but we can change what goes on in their heads as development begins. So let's do it! -
EVENT HORIZON was really great! Judging from that particular sci-fi outing, I for one look forward to A.v.P. from this director... should be a good film. STOP COMPLAINING everyone!
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May 21, 2002 8:01:31 AM CDT
WHAT?!?! how can anyone defend event horizon?! its THE worst sci
by mansep
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May 21, 2002 8:03:02 AM CDT
Event Horizon IS GOOD somehow...seeing the rest of Andersons fil
by antiriad
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Event Horizon is real frightning (at least in the cinema)
Soldier is great fun. (though the subliminals like the constant drill voice and the soldiers abc don't get recognized very well)
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I SO looked forward to that movie.....at the theater, when it was over, my wife and I both agreed...it blew. It started out great...but it was one of those movies where they didn't know how to end it, so they resorted to cheesy cliche scenes. It turned into a wannabe Hellraiser. Such potential wasted... But let's be honest...Anderson's directing style isn't that bad..his problem is that he works with garbage scripts. His movies are more watchable than John "slow-motion-doves" Woo...that's for sure. Let's hope the script and casting is solid, before we berate any director.
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I just don't think his style is right for a predator film. My feeling is we need somebody who can do menacing shots with the camera still, and who understands how to get the best bang for the effects buck.
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Now it might have had something to do with the fact I was stoned and by myself in the dark when I first saw it, but Event Horizon is one of the most gut-churningly horrifying experiences I've ever had while watching a movie. I didn't know anything about it and thought it would be a cheap Alien rip-off. Except it was about SATAN KILLING PEOPLE IN SPACE. It has some great quotes too - "The translation wasn't 'save me', it was 'save yourself... from Hell." Admittedly it ended up turning into a garbage gore-fest with Sam Neil failing to be scary even after he got flayed, but the ending is still awesome - were they on the right side of the doorway? Or the one in Hell??? Spooky.
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John McTiernen or Ridley Scott or James Cameron?? The directors who put these franchises on the map?? Or are those guys too expensive now? It seems like they're not giving this idea the respect and the support that it deserves. This doesn't have to be a lame, cheesy little sci-fi flick. This thing could be epic. The fans have certainly been anticipating it for as long as I can remember. Anderson??? "Event Horizon" was just dull. And "Soldier" could've been good, but alas. "Mortal Kombat" was entertaining at the time, but I doubt I could sit through it now.
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He's no artist, sure. But on the level of enjoyable hack, he's no worse than Renny Harlin or McG (and didn't Harry love Charlie's Angels?). These guys make slick, exciting junk that rates high on my guilty pleasure meter. I thought Resident Evil was a fun zombie movie and think Anderson would do fine with Aliens vs. Predator. He wouldn't be my first choice but neither do I think it's a mistake to put him on the movie.
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I enjoyed Shopping and Event Horizon.
Re: Paul Thomas Anderson - why does everyone think he's so great? Boogie Nights was good, but Magnolia was a pretentious load of crap, full of flawed characters emoting. -
May 21, 2002 8:55:47 AM CDT
Let Harry direct the movie! He'll show those clowns how to d
by regis travolta
Seriously. Let Knowles sit in the director's chair and ask "Action? Um, uh, are we ready for action? No? Howcum? Oh, OK. Um, I'll just go wait in my trailer then. Call me if you need me OK?"
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Can't say any of PA's films have been particularly good, but his direction seemed technically competant - there was some good shit in SOLDIER and EVENT HORIZON. I think those movies sucked not cuz of the direction, but the shitty scripts. And let's just hope they don't make the Aliens in this fucking entirely CGI. *shudder*
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This is one of the most brain-dead ideas floating around Hollywood. I will never understand the fan excitement around this idea. It has no inherent plot or character. It's just a big freakin' fight. Just rent any Godzilla movie, and you're there. And don't get me started on "Freddy vs Jason".
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C'mon - I have seen the worst sort of hollywood PR from Harry and His Clones - Blade 2 was a soulless drag and AOTC was the worst piece of dreck imaginable. Yoda was a JOKE. Pathetic - almost bad as the dialogue. In other words sure, Anderson is a clod who obviously sucks the right dick in Hwoodm but for blowing it big, no one does it better than George "Dimwit" Lucas. Making money don't make you good, just greedy and simple.
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May 21, 2002 8:22:10 PM CDT
When I saw the headline, I was thinking GEORGE LUCAS, but this i
by arrogancy
Reading Romero's Resident Evil script and seeing the crap that was made makes me want to cry. If you're over 16 and get ANY entertainment out of Mortal Kombat NOW, you have no business discussing movies since it has BAD CHOREOGRAPHY, BAD PLOT, and BAD ACTING - hell it has nothing redeemable in the whole movie.
I feel like I'm going to cry. Oh god - from the James Cameron rumor to THIS?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! -
Did your boyfriend ride the short bus in school? Did he take the "special" classes? If so, then he is the primary audience for a Paul Anderson movie.
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Not sure why Harry hates Event Horizon so much. Except for the very end, I thought it was a good horror/sci-fi movie. Just my 2 cents.
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Davis would not have a job if it weren't for his Dad's rich, well-connected nepotism. John's a lazy, spoiled, fake-wuss silver spooner without an ounce of creative talent or vision....... having him in charge of the movie version would be like putting Dark Horse's weed-fried janitor in charge of their brilliant licensed comics (which were much much better, smarter, and more imaginative than any of the movie sequels)... Anderson's Mortal Kombat was better than anybody expected, but Event Horizon (cool concept -- "The Shining in space") turned off most mainstreamers b/c it turned into a naked bath of decadent depraved evil... too grisly for most viewers.... Anybody defending Paul's version of Soldier (or worse yet trying to blame the studio for it suckiness) is way way WAY off base -- the original script was widely regarded as one of Hollywood's best scifi yarns of the past few decades, and one person - the director - single-handedly overspent his way into mind-numbingly generic crap, throwing nearly $100 million down the drain in a flop more horrendoes than Costner's Postman. Soldier's cast -- Kurt Russell, Connie Nielsen, Jason Isaacs, and Jason Scott Lee -- are all capable of so much more, but Anderson is NOT...... Fanboys know that Aliens and Predator are both great properties that have been squandered by Fox over the past decade, but when un-asked-for cadavers like T3 are getting greenlit, it's only fair for someone to try to do justice to redeem these long-abused franchises which together could make for some great sci-fi action escapism...... Of course, snobby Sigourney has said she'd never condescend to appearing with Predators, but who needs her. Hopefully the trailer will say "The bitch is not back." ....... I wish McTiernan was cool enough to redeem his career with this property (or Tony Scott, filling in for older bro), but they're both too old for the young studio suits, whereas Paul Anderson is an easy next-generation fill-in for Peter "Visionary Auteur" Hyams.
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May 21, 2002 9:26:14 PM CDT
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! P.A. DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO BEING THE
by monkeybrains
Followed by Stuart Gordon, Michael Bay, Albert Pyun, Rachel Talalay, Russell Mulcahy, Danny Cannon and which ever jack-off made Spawn.
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I wanted Cameron on it personally.
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if you don't like it, fuck off. they're movies.
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Based on the three movies I have seen by Anderson, AVP will be a dud. EH started off with a bang and ended with decided whimper (Satan in space????). MK was fine for its time but is difficult to watch now. It is on late night TV quite often for those who care to see it again. SOLIDER was bad through and through, even with the stoic Mr. Russell.
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Are you fucking kidding me? You gonna bring Tim Burton into this? Jeezus. The guys slipped ONCE! And I dont think we saw the version of Planet Of The Apes that he originally intended. Tim Burton rocks!!! I want Beetlejuice 2! As for Aliens Vs Predator......I reckon John McTiernan is the guy. Event Horizon was damn good. P.T.A. is a great director. Joel Schumacher is the worst director alive. Who the hell keeps funding his films!
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Come on Harry, Soldier was indeed a piece of crap, but Event Horizon and Resident Evil were good examples of the sci-fi/horror genre. Not great, but good. I was totally surprised by both these movies when they first came out. I thought they were gonna by horrendous pieces of shit, but both movies left me suprisingly satisfyed when I left the theater. If he does direct Alien vs. Predator, I'm confident it will be entertaining.
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May 22, 2002 12:31:22 AM CDT
"RESIDENT EVIL felt like the pansiest loud noisy obnoxiously cas
by hammer2fall
I mean, come on! I'm convinced you're looking for any excuse to dislike Paul "Proved You Wrong" Anderson. I'm betting you actually LIKED ResEvil, and you're saying you hated it to be consistant with your other unwarranted attacks on his work! And seeing as how a mass majority of those who saw ResEvil liked it, I'd say either I'm right, or you just need to lighten up a little. Also, whoever nominated Joel Schumaker as worst director was right on the money.
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...it was fun and followed the game's plot quite faithfully, had good visual effects and a pretty cool soundtrack! (the sequel sucked, though)
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Harry, give this guy a break. I have not read the talkback, hell, not even the article, but I new what was going on the second I saw the main page. You keep going on and on. Has he ever made a mess of a movie?("CHARLIE'S ANGELS", "BATMAN AND ROBIN"?) No. Paul Anderson has never once made a movie that i would call bad. He is a solid director, pure and simple. He's no fucking Kubrick, but hey, neither is whoever makes genre movies like "WING COMMANDER", "SUPERNOVA" and "GHOSTS OF MARS". But they aren't very good. All of Paul Anderson's movies are worth watching at least, none of those really were. Stop this grudge, and give us your "RESIDENT EVIL" review. Tell us WHY you didn't like it. In fact, review all of P.A.'s movies, what the hell is wrong with them? P.S.- the worst movie I have ever seen is "HOLY MAN". not bad enough to be good, but not good enough to be shit.
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Jeez Harry, it's a shame we can't all read every draft of every script written and make wildly innaccurate judgements on the finished product based on some 'dream version' we see in our heads.
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May 22, 2002 1:25:35 AM CDT
Event Horizon was the one of the worse sci-fi horror movies I
by caligari
"Event Horizon" was horrible, horrible and, let's see... oh yeah, "horrible." You know why? Because Anderson is a lazy director. He uses gore and violence as a substitute for imaginative storytelling skills. It's like the tail wagging the dog: gore/violence first and... storytelling waaaaaaaaaay second. Give me "Alien" and "Aliens" anyday. Oh, and "Soldier" was a piece of crap. I only saw it because I'm a fan of Kurt Russell. And for those talkbackers who don't care who directs the movie, seeming to believe that "A vs. P" can be made on auto pilot, I direct you to James Cameron and "Aliens" vs. every piece of generic, rip off, clone piece of crap that came after it (Hmmm, let's see... "Event Horizon" maybe?). You think Lord of the Rings could have been such a great movie with anybody at the helm? I don't think so.
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I think the perspective to take should be: Is Paul Anderson really the right guy to risk giving millions to helm what may be, in all likelihood, the last chance to revive either franchise? Someone already stated and I agree, if Fox wants better than a 50/50 chance, they should look harder for the perfect director. Is anyone going to chew out Fincher for the horrid Alien 3 film after Seven? Or Jean-Pierre Jeunet after Amelie or City of Lost Children? I don't doubt their talets as filmmakers and I'm sure Paul Anderson is...satisfactory (I liked 3/4 of Event Horizon but MK stank, heard good stuff about REvil), but neither Fincher nor Jeunet got the Alien franchise any kind of solid kick and Predator 2 was lukewarm and jumpy. Tough call when following Cameron, to be sure, but it's going to take a lot more than Paul Anderson to bring this potential film to fevered anticipation. And what happened to the Ridley Scott/Sigourney Weaver stuff for the next Alien film, about Ripley returning to the Alien's homeworld? If the AvP film is going to have any humans involved, the best base story to start from could still be the first AvP graphic novel, which works best chronologically.
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give Fincher a chance to correct all the errors made with Alien3 with another alien movie.
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May 22, 2002 4:33:50 AM CDT
Fact: Burton and Lucas are the two most IMAGINATIVE directors in
by darthflagg
Just thought you'd like to know
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Though admitedly Lucas and Burton are two very good directors I am not sure even they escape clean. Lucas simply imitated the film "The Hidden Fortress" for Star Wars and many crittics and fans considred Episode One to be the most dissapointing film the had ever seen. And good ol Burton who I have a lot of appreciation for doesnt get out clean. "Mars Attacks" was a flop, Sleepy Hollow and Batman were adaptions and Planet of the Apes was a reimagining. Not to take anything away from either director or Anderson.
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And would have sunk his career once and for all with a terrible epitaph. Bring on Twilight of the Dead, or whatever.
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it was really scary, more than the stupid The Others.
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even in comics
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How about Peter Greenway, or perhaps Antony Minghella, Or even (my choice) Terrence Malick.
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Okay, maybe a hundreds pushing it, but here here's what I got - Mortal Kombat was lame. Okay, not as lame as the second one, but it was lame all the same. But don't get me wrong. It wasn't lame because of the directing (not in the way we normally look at directing in any event), so I don't blame Anderson. No, MK was lame because of the casting and because of the fight choriography. Soldier I'll admit fell way short. Kurt Russell rocks, so it should have been great. But that project was doomed from the start, even before Anderson came on board. If you want to blame someone for Soldier, blame production. Anderson had to work with what he was given. Set design, FX, music, and art direction were some of the many things that made that a dud. The director only has so much control over that. If Anderson was at fault here, it was because of some of his decision making. You can't pin it all on him though. Event Horizon, regardless of the amount of bitching that some of you do, was actually a very enjoyable film. The script was good and the direction was good. The only thing I felt that lacked in this picture was the wooden acting. This I do lay partly to blame on the director, because as we all know, coughLUCAScough, half of directing is being able to direct your actors, to get the best performances out of them. But again, Event Horizon was a pretty good film. It did what it set out to do. It was creepy, and downright scary at moments. It was a ghost story that delivered on originality. Again, Anderson did an admirable job with the material he was given to work with. Don't know what most of you seem to be bitching about with this picture. I definately enjoyed it. As for Resident Evil... I'll tell you what was wrong with Resident Evil. The stupid CGI Zombie makeup. Get Tom Savini on this picture and the movie would've rocked. Okay, that and do without some of the slowmo matrix wannabe action sequences. Overall though, this movie was on the verge of being downright good. Put Savini on the sequel and I'll guarantee you'll have a hit. Okay, I'll lobby for a little more creepiness too. To me RE should be 90% horror, 10% SciFi. Not the other way around. Overall though, I was somewhat suprised though how much of the game made it into the movie. Hopefully that trend will continue. In conclusion, I reiterate, I think the hatred many of you harbor toward Paul Anderson is unfounded. If he's guilty of anything, maybe his decision making needs should sometimes be second guessed. Get some good producers on a film and the man might churn out a classic.
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Its not Pauls fault that Event Horizon & Soldier sucked..
Its the studios that force him to cut the movies down to a minimum.
There was at least an hour cut from Event Horizon (awful film!!!) and a great amount of material cut from Soldier (another awful film that did have potential)
Worst director.....has to be Joel Schumacher. (although he has done some good films at least)
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Sure soldier was wooden, but everything else he's done has kicked ass. What the hell was wrong with resident evil? from the outset it was billed as an action horror flick and it well surpassed the vast majority of other flicks in the genre.
"Event Horizon" was one of the most refreshing films of all time (albeit with a cheesy ending). "Mortal Kombat" was miles ahead of its time when you look at the other crap that was coming out around the same time.
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May 22, 2002 11:07:54 PM CDT
When I read "worst director ever," I thought for certain it mean
by kingkrypton
...but Paul "W.S." Anderson is plenty bad on his own. Why would you turn two already anemic franchises over to a director who has absolutely no clue what he's doing? Talk about a poor idea....
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Both Resident Evil and Event Horizon were really good I thought. Now, granted... RE wasn't magnificent but it was a lot better than I had expected.
Soldier did suck yes, but it's not like it was based on something I was familiar with... it didn't make me fucking angry, jesus... calm down Harry. It wasn't a complete loss, even if it was close to it. At the end I was pretty much ready to forget about it, certainly not to go on a crusade of bitching about it.
If you want to talk about a shitty over-rated movie, that people simply say they like in order to try to come across as intelligent... how about Magnolia by that other Paul Anderson? that was the worst movie I've ever seen. Okay maybe it wasn't worse than Wild Wild West. -
I think it is funny that everyone forgets some of the misses by other great directors but Anderson's keep getting played up to be awful. Personally I don't care for Anderson's directing. Nothing wrong with it, just don't care for it. I did enjoy Event Horizon and Resident Evil but not because of the directing, because of Laurence Fishburne and Milla Jovovich (Nice Towel). Just remember that if Directors were to be trashed after their misses then...Spielberg with 1941, Scott with Someone to watch over me, Lucas with Episode 1, McTiernan with Rollerball, and Cameron with Piranha II should not be held in such high esteem. But we do, don't we. Personally I would love for Richard Zemekis (also attached to 1941) to direct but I don't really see Tom Hanks fitting into a Predator outfit.
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Well, Anderson doing this film will definately give us something to bitch about. Oh wait, we bitch about everything don't we and heck we don't need an excuse. INTERNET GEEKS RULE.
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Why nothing, except that it was utter shit. The story was like something a crack addict would write during withdrawal; the acting was strictly straight-to-video and the SFX were like rejects from IL&M's cutting room floor. Don't get me wrong, it had potential--but then so did LOST IN SPACE. As I watched this train wreck of a "movie" unfold on the screen before me I started re-writing it in my head--and I never do that unless the film in question sucks *exceptional* ass. I didn't even do it for TPM! I'm sorry but every time someone says that THE PHANTOM MENACE was the worst film they had ever seen, I laugh and think of two things: BATTLEFIELD EARTH and EVENT HORIZON. One 1/2 stars at best. Blech. And the fact that the clown who gave us this is gonna lay his fetid, dung-stained mits on my beloved ALIEN vs PREDITOR. . .frankly I hope the damn thing doesn't get made. Toppu o Nerae!
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This arguement starts up every couple of months when Harry disses E.H., and about a thousand people talk back with their love and support for the movie. True Soldier sucked and Resident Evil was hit and miss, but E.H. hit on all cylinders. It had great acting, special effects, and one hell of a creepy atmosphere. I love when Lawrenece Fishburne sees the video of the guy pullung his own eyes out, and states flat out "were outta here!".
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May 23, 2002 9:00:25 AM CDT
Dudes, i've read the script for this. Doesn't matter who
by sackley whistle
Got the script for this about 2 months ago - along with i am legend and superman lives - and i have to say its very probably the poorest mainstream script i've ever read. In a way i can see why Anderson got it, cos the characters are as soulless and chiched as the crew of the event horizon. The action bites the big one, the aliens come off as pussies for a lot of it and it doesn't actually make much sense in the long run. Now, i'm sure that there are going to be - or already have been - rewrites, but if this hunk of shite can be greenlit then i guess there's hope for all 15 year-old playstation addicts that want to write lifeless sci-fi spectacle. Although, this doesn't even have that. The concept made sci-fi geeks salivate - mop up your dribble friends, this one is deader than airline flares with pockets in the knees (one for real SF aficionados out there). Let me know what you think. @The Whistle Man@ (you know how to whistle don't you?)
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No. No. No. This is a nightmare. I cannot express how bad of a choice this is. I'm so pissed at this I'm going to stop typing now and save the spite-filled tirade against hack directors who companies foolishly trust to make good films but instead he ALWAYS TURNS OUT SHIT!! Sorry....got a little carried away. Be seeing you.
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The notable item here is not so much who will direct, but rather that
Fox is again actively considering the project. I would like to see it
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Sep 28, 2002 1:15:03 PM CDT
I'd sooner trust this movie to a monkey than to Paul Anderso
by black monarch
The AVP idea is totally workable. The comics prove that AVP can be more than just a campy, cliche "monster vs monster" movie.
Paul Anderson is a horrible writer and director, and has NEVER made a single movie that was worth watching. Event Horizon is the single worst movie I've ever seen. Hell, I've seen pornos with better plots than Event Horizon! Mortal Kombat had a few moments that were funny, but otherwise it was just as much a pile of shit as Event Horizon. I've never seen Resident Evil or Soldier, but from what I've read, it looks like they sucked pretty badly, too. Paul Anderson has proven himself incapable of turning out anything other than pure shit, and the chance that he will suddenly grow a few brain cells is astronomically low.
Good Concept + Shithead Director = shame and disgrace upon two franchises, box office failure, and elimination of any chance of more good Alien sequels.
Okay, so James Cameron and Steven Spielberg aren't interested. Does that mean we have to give this project to a director with a reputation for utter shit? Come on, there must be SOMEONE else who
could do this. Tim Burton could at least make it interesting; I mean, his track record does include Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and two Batman movies. Now, I can't say I was impressed with Planet of the Apes or Sleepy Hollow, but they were at least interesting. Event Horizon was not. Fucking hell, >I< could write a better AVP script than Paul Anderson could!
The stupid fucker probably won't even write Ripley into the waste of paper that he calls a script.
I have an idea. Let's all go to Fox and hand them a script for "Anderson vs. Predator," wherein all the characters from the Alien and Predator movies (including the creatures themselves), upon hearing the news that they will be married by a total quack, jump out of the movie screens in a last desperate attempt to preserve whatever is left of their dignity and give Paul Anderson the slowest, most painful death in cinema history. It would probably be more satisfying to watch than anything that Anderson himself has dumped in the toilet.
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This is what I hate about the film industry. Movies are my life god damn, and I'm hearing about all these great flick ideas popping up and then something goes wrong. I have to admit, I liked Event Horizon when I saw it...but I wanted to shoot someone over "Batman and Robin." Resident Evil was okay, but it really could have been a lot better. I don't know why this guy gets all these damned movies and then destroys them, but I hope he backs out or something cause I've been waiting for this movie, and if he fucks it up...god damn I'm gonna start a boycot or something.
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