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A Rave For WB's BIRDS OF PREY!! New Details!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
And I am excited.
Seven years after the disappearance of a horrified and demoralized Batman, the daughter of Catwoman (a mutant with infrared vision and Buffy-esque speed and strength) and her mentor (a paraplegic former Batgirl) team with a blonde teen mutant superpsychic named Dinah to dispatch a growing army of superpowered villains.
Despite the enormous changes made to the characters of Huntress and Black Canary (if Dinah really is Black Canary), longtime spy “Trip Fontaine” – a fellow who really knows his way around the DC Universe – says “the series takes the Batman mythology completely seriously.”
The WB will air “Birds of Prey” 9 p.m. Wednesdays (opposite “West Wing,” “Amazing Race” and “The Bachelor”) this autumn.
Here’s “Trip”:
Despite the enormous changes made to the characters of Huntress and Black Canary (if Dinah really is Black Canary), longtime spy “Trip Fontaine” – a fellow who really knows his way around the DC Universe – says “the series takes the Batman mythology completely seriously.”
The WB will air “Birds of Prey” 9 p.m. Wednesdays (opposite “West Wing,” “Amazing Race” and “The Bachelor”) this autumn.
Here’s “Trip”:
Here’s “Trip”:
The upshot: Despite some liberties that get taken with the characters
(mostly Dinah and Helena), BIRDS OF PREY is a lot more serious and
intense than I expected it to be--it's very dark, but there's a lot of
wit, too. Tone-wise, it's probably closer to ANGEL than to any other
show on the WB (or any other network) at the moment. It's also a lot
more connected to the DC Universe than I expected it to be, and the
flashback sequences constitute (no shit) the best-yet live-action
treatment of the Batman mythos. If they can keep the writing up to the
standard set here, the combination of well-done comicbook mythology, hot
chicks and ample action would seem likely to make it a success with
both DC fans and general audiences. A lengthy summary (I'm sure I got
some of the details wrong; if so, please forgive me) and some comments
follow...
ACHTUNG! MAJOR SPOILERS!
Summary Time:
The pilot begins with a static shot of a map of "New Gotham", which
morphs into a CGI 3D cityscape that the camera flies over and through,
before tracking down and cutting to a street scene. Selena Kyle lies
dying in the street, having been stabbed in the gut by a trenchcoat-
wearing assailant who we see making his successful escape. Helena Kyle
(age 13-14), crying and spastic, tries in vain to revive her mother as
cops and EMTs arrive...and the parallels to Thomas and Martha Wayne's
Crime Alley death couldn't be more obvious.
We cut to Barbara Gordon's apartment, where she's watching a TV news
report describing a recently-concluded fight between Batman, Batgirl and
the Joker (who is mentioned by name, contrary to what I'd heard before).
It's clear from what the reporter says that Batman is an urban legend in
the eyes of the media; ditto the Joker. The organized crime ring that
the Joker runs, however, undeniably exists, and it seems that Batman was
trying to shut down his operation for once and for all.
The account of the fight ends with a breaking news interruption about
the death of Selena Kyle, who we're told was "rumored" to be the
notorious jewel theif Catwoman and has been "romantically linked in the
past to reclusive billionaire Bruce Wayne". Barbara freaks, shouting out
Helena's name, and the doorbell rings...and it's our friend the Clown
Prince of Crime himsef. The face is out of focus, but the green hair and
white skin couldn't belong to anyone else. Barbara gets shot at point
blank range, and collapses to the floor as a pool of blood expands
around her.
And we cut to a young girl (age 10 or so) in her bedroom who wakes up
screaming. Her mom comes in, and the girl describes Barbara's shooting.
"Dinah," says the mom, "It was just a bad dream". But Dinah isn't so
sure...
Title card: SEVEN YEARS LATER
Barbara is on the street in an electric wheelchair, with a guy she's
been dating for six months who gets pissed when she turns down his
dinner invitation for that evening. Exasperated, he walks away and makes
it clear the relationship is over as far as he's concerned. Cut to the
office of Dr. Harleen Quinzel, where Helena Kyle is having her weekly
therapy session and we learn that it's the anniversary of Selena's death
and Barbara's shooting. Without spilling the beans on anyone's ID,
Helena reveals to Dr. Quinzel that she never learned who her father was
until after her mother's death – nor did her father even learn of
Helena's existence until Selena died – and that she wants nothing to do
with him.
Subsequent scenes establish the status quo in short order. Barbara
became Helena's legal guardian after her mother's death, and the two
have been in business as Oracle and the Huntress for at least a year
now. They have a lot of cases behind them – many, it seems, involving
supervillains (none mentioned by name) – and their latest case involves a
mysterious epidemic of suicides among the board members of a big Gotham-
based corporation. Working the case from the other end are two Gotham PD
detectives – studly young black cop Jake Reese (Shemar Moore) and his
older, fatter, white partner (whose name I missed, but it was *not*
Harvey Bullock). Jake is sure that weird stuff goes on in New Gotham
after sunset, but his partner attributes it all to rumor and urban
legend.
Now 16 or 17, Dinah runs away from home and comes to New Gotham, where
she witnesses one of the mysterious suicides (a dude walks in front of a
car as she exits the bus station). Her apparent psychic powers make it
clear that it was a murder – the guy was scared of rats, and he
apparently had a hallucination of hundreds of them streaming out of the
subway, and he ran into traffic to escape them. But Dinah has no clue
what to do with the info...
That changes when, hours later, she's wandering the streets in search of
a place to stay for the evening and is approached by a would-be rapist –
and saved by Huntress. (Huntress doesn't wear a mask, though Barbara wants her
to. Her "costume" is an ultra-low-cut dress that she wears tights and
boots under. Barbara bitches about it too, but Helena defends it as an
outfit that she can wear to nightclubs after a night of crimefighting,
eliminating the need to go home and change first.)
The costume discussion takes place at Oracle and Huntress' clocktower
base, where Dinah soon shows up. Babs is pissed that Helena was sloppy
enough to let Dinah track her back there, but Dinah says she didn't
follow Helena – instead, her psychic powers led her there.
Babs performs a CAT scan on Dinah and detects a high level of brainwave
activity that makes it clear that Dinah is a metahuman. It seems that
metahumans are starting to show up all over the place thanks to "genetic
mutation and other factors", and it would seem like a pretty safe bet
that the metahuman explosion will be the source of lots of villains-of-
the-week. A surprising revelation insues – Helena, too, is metahuman. Her
powers (and their origin) are never specifically revealed, but over the
course of the episode, she displays modest super-strength, speed and
jumping ability (well beyond that of a 'peak human' like Captain America
or Batman but well below the Spider-Man level) as well as an infrared
vision power that lets her see in the dark.
Dinah guilts Babs into letting her stay at the clocktower for awhile,
and before long she's working the suicide case too, traipsing around in
the field wearing camera goggles that scan everything she sees and
broadcast it back to Oracle in the form of a 3D hologram. When Dinah is
doing this, Barbara recognizes the place the evidence has led her to –
it's the Joker's old HQ.
A flashback to Babs in costume as Batgirl fighting the Joker's gang
follows, and we learn about the fight with the Joker that Barbara was
watching the TV report about at the beginning of the episode. It seems
that Batman and Batgirl chased the Joker to his headquarters, and during
the fight, Batman (who's shown from behind) wound up in a situation
during the showdown where he only had two choices: Kill the Joker or let
him escape. Bats went with option B, of course, and within hours of the
escape, the Joker sent a goon to kill Selena and went to go shoot Babs
himself. Plauged by guilt, Batman went underground and vanished from the
scene "a few months later.”
Helena's investigation of the suicides brings her to the home of a board
member who was coincidentally an acquantance of Selena's, and he
recognizes her (proving that Babs' suggestion of a mask is the right
idea), and gives her a cup of tea that turns out to be dosed with a
mind-control drug. Yep, he masterminded the deaths of the other board
members to take control of the corporation himself. As she falls
unconsious Babs (in her moto-wheelchair) and Dinah arrive on the scene.
Dinah KOs the guy, but not before he can reveal that he used a post-
hypnotic suggestion to transfer part of his personality inside Helena as
a sort of psychic computer virus. Dinah then uses her powers to enter
the catatonic Helena's mind, and we see her reliving her mother's death.
Via a patch-in of sorts, Babs, too, enters Helena's mind and appears to
her in the Batgirl suit. After removing the mask, the virtual Babs and
Helena fight the dude inside Helena's head and beat him. Helena comes
to, and the comatose bad guy is handed over to Detective Reese.
Reese then takes the comatose baddie to Arkham Aslyum, where the
attending shrink on duty is none other than Dr. Quinzel. Quinzel thanks
the doctor, then sits down with the baddie in an interrogation room.
There, she reverts to her Harley Quinn personality, and it becomes clear
that she's exploiting her role as a doctor at Arkham to turn the
patients into her slaves, using them as her footsoldiers in an attempt
to resurrect the Joker's gang and take control of organized crime in New
Gotham – and that the corrupt board member was a pawn of hers all along,
as acquiring the corporation as a front for money laundering was the
next stage of her plan. Though not stated outright, it's strongly
implied that she's using Jonathan Crane's fear serum to control the
patients, and that the fear serum was also used to drive the board
members to suicide.
The pilot ends with Babs and Helena at the clock tower and Helena
thanking Babs for saving her ass and promising to turn down the attitude
and get with the program a little more. The camera pulls back from them
and pans across the New Gotham skyline. As it passes the full moon, a
bat flys by.
Further comments:
I can well imagine that Helena's powers and Dinah's psychic abilities
will make a lot of fans howl and gnash their teeth (Dinah is never
referred to as "Black Canary" in the pilot, nor even given the surname
"Lance". Maybe that'll come, maybe it won't), but IMHO they're not a big
deal. What's important is that Dina Meyer *is* the Barbara/Oracle we
know from the comics, and the series takes the Batman mythology
completely seriously. Early reports said the show took place in the
future, but there's nothing here to suggest that apart from the goggles
that broadcast the holograms back to Babs. It may be awhile before they
spell the timeline out, but it seem very likely that the show takes
place in the present day, in a universe where Batman began his career in
the mid-'70s and retired in the mid-'90s. There's no mention whatsoever
of Robin, and Barbara refers to herself several times as having been
"Batman's partner". As I said, there are several flashbacks to Dina in
costume as Batgirl, and she looks *great* in it. The fight scenes with
the Joker's thugs (generic street crooks) are all you could ask for, and
the brief glimpses of the Joker (whose voice is provided by Mark Hamill
but seems to be played by a taller, thinner actor who we never see
clearly) present him as a pure sadist without a trace of Romero camp or
Nicholson vamping. At the beginning of the big fight in which Batman
lets the Joker get away, there's a great shot of Meyer-as-Batgirl
jumping on the Joker and starting to wail on him before he knocks her
down with an enormous electric shock from a "joy buzzer" strapped to his
palm. While she's half-unconscious and pinned behind a burning beam,
Batman shows up and starts fighting the Joker. The cape largely obscures
his costume and we never see the face, but the intensity and presence of
Batman are conveyed in a way the Burton movies (to say nothing of the
Schumachers) never delivered.
There's also a wonderful appearance by our old friend Alfred Pennyworth,
who appears to have helped Barbara raise Helena after her mothers' death
and seems to have lent Babs a whole bunch of Batcave equipment for use
in the clocktower to help establish herself as Oracle after Batman's
disappearance. Since there were no credits on the tape, I have no idea
who played Alfred, but he's fantastic – a kindly man in his seventies but one
who has a real backbone, which he uses to encourage Babs to train Dinah.
I don't know if he's a series regular, but I hope we'll see a lot more
of him. It's a tall claim, but I have to say he's the best non-comics
incarnation of the old guy yet. The only regular beyond the three gals
appears to be Shemar Moore, who's really handsome and has a lot of
presence. If ethnic diversity was a mandate, they could have done a lot
worse than to find someone like him and create the character of a tough,
driven young detective for him to play. There's a scene in which he
finds Helena at the scene of one of the faux-suicides (and briefly
assumes that she killed the guy), and there proves to be some genuine
chemistry between him and Ashley Scott (who, as Helena/Huntress, is way
too stiff for my tastes – but she still has her moments, and she
certainly looks great).
Most of the show was filmed on sets and soundstages, with the Gotham
skyline being entirely CG. I know that'll piss some people off, but it's
really well done CG that does a fabulous job of recreating the Gotham
City of the Dini/Timm cartoons.
I expected BIRDS OF PREY to be a total cheesefest, so perhaps my
enthusiasm is just the result of low expectations. Even so, I was
pleasantly surprised by the way the pilot drew on DC universe concepts,
especially the ever-controversial "Batman = Urban Legend" paradigm,
which makes a lot more sense in the cop-show-feelin' world of the show
than it does in the DCU on a week-in, week-out basis. The production
values *rock*, which also helps – they obviously put a lot of money into
this, and while subsequent episodes probably won't look so good,
spending a lot of money to hook people on the pilot is never a bad idea,
especially when the script is this good.
There's very little that's comic-booky about BIRDS OF PREY – it clearly
uses BUFFY, XENA and CHARLIE'S ANGELS as touchstones, and that's what'll
sell it to mainstream viewers. But as I said, the show it reminds me of
more than anything is ANGEL, in terms of the way it juggles an elaborate
mythology and a dark tone with dry, character based humor. (My favorite
joke in the pilot: Helena bitches about being forced to follow in her
parents' footsteps, Barb snaps "It's not like this is the mob" and
Helena replies "At least they're allowed to kill people!"). There's just
one obstacle, and it's a big one – the Wednesday 9pm timeslot. The show
should have no trouble beating UPN's TWILIGHT ZONE revival, but CBS'
AMAZING RACE 3 and ABC's THE BACHELOR could both draw away a lot of
female viewers who might like the show. Fox offers up the buddy cop show
FAST LANE starring Bill Bellamy and Peter Facinelli, which sounds like
kind of a loser and an easy show for BoP to beat. But of course there's
a 600lb gorilla in the timeslot – THE WEST WING, one of my three favorite
shows (along with THE SOPRANOS and THE SHIELD). As a TWW fan since day
one, keeping up with the Bartlets will be priority one for me – but I'm
definitely going to be making arrangements to tape BoP on my bedroom VCR
when TWW is on in the fall, something I only occasionally mustered the
energy to do for SMALLVILLE (as much as I like it) when it was up
against 24 this season. On the heels of S-VILLE and SPIDER-MAN, the very
impressive BoP pilot further proves that we're living through a golden
age of comic book adaptations, and it's about goddamn time.
Trip Fontaine
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Great, it looks like the studios are finally taking the source material seriously.
I don't expect the to change absolutey nothing, 100 000 people read Batman comics, or there about, and 10's of millions go see the movies, you do the math of who the're gonna give a shit about, but there is a reason that the comic has been selling for 60 odd years. Stick with the source comic as much as possible.
But now with Spidey (my new favourite film) being absolutly spot on (I can't fault it), Blade 2 rocking, the daredevil, X2 and Hulk films all looking as if they're moving in the right direction it's a sweet time to be a comic fan.
Now lets see if DC can pull something out of the bag, with rumours of a new batman year one by Aronofsky, maybe a Supes movie (Brendan Fraser please), and more such as Hellblazer (NO CAGE NO!!!!)
maybe we can look forward to a great comic movie every couple of months rather than years
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May 18, 2002 10:13:33 PM CDT
Finally, they are making Batman an Urban Legend not like a surro
by steal_dragon
That's the only thing I hated about the Batman movies, he is getting away with everything, tampering with evidence, assulting people, breaking and entering without warrents, and the police just stand there saying "way to go batman". Finally they are putting alittle realism in the Batman universe making him more of a Legend Vigilante then a wannabe cop in Long Johns.
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Too bad there's no way to get Tom Cruise to do a TV show guest spot. Of all the comicbook heroes he could play, that one's perfect for him(well, a younger him). But seriously, Nightwing is a potential spin off, they'd be nuts not to have him at least appear as a recurring guest role. But look at this, I'm thinking like a network executive...reverting to...primitive lifeform...sounding ...like...Shatner...too...aggh.
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He was so gay and annoying
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May 18, 2002 10:53:52 PM CDT
Uh, I really don't think Batman would skip out on Gotham for
by village idiot
And the changing around of Huntress and Black Canary seems rather arbitrary and annoying. Gotta just keep telling myself "It's an Elseworlds." And I'm pretty sure that Captain America is not a "peak human": he has super-strength (from the super-soldier serum).
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Concept sounds... so bad! But... love the Huntress character... and Ashley Scott... is so hot! WhatdoIdo? (This Shatner moment was brought to you by: The WB- looking to milk it's synergistic properties for all their worth.)
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May 19, 2002 3:57:51 AM CDT
who the fuck cares about a golden age of "comic book adaptations
by arkhan77
we are living in a golden age of comic books, period. comic book adaptations are not the way to honor the great artists of this art form. Batman has been around for 60 years not because he's "cool", but because of people like Kane, Cassidy, Miller, Morrisson, Rucka and Brubaker. This obsession on the part of people like PUCK over there to see the artform of comic books suck the giant satan's pecker of Hollywood is what is rotting away the readership. movies and television will never replenish the coffers of comics, it will only suck them dry. Spider-man may or may not be a good movie (i haven't seen it and won't judge, though i usually like Raimi's stuff) but this is not the point. if we keep thinking like this Hollywood will simply conquer what is simply, IMHO, the best art form on earth. thank you for letting me vent.
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Arkhan77 says that comic book adaptions are what is "rotting away the readership" of comic books. I have to say, that's absolute bullshit. Do you really put more blame on movie promotions and TV shows that get stories like Batman, Superman, and the X-Men even further into the mainstream consciousness then you do on huge, money grubbing cross promotions "events" in DC and Marvel Comics? A few months ago, I decided to start picking up the Batman comics because I had always liked Batman, but was never really a DC fan. What do I find after picking up that single issue? The story was just about to go into the huge twenty-five comic "Joker's Last Laugh" cross promotion that would not only require a huge investment of my time, but also a substantial investment of my cash (between $50 and $75 for the whole thing). That's ridiculous. It's no wonder that manga is picking up more and more. While DC and Marvel are doing huge cross promotional "events" that were born in the marketing department and forced upon the writers, the little companies that are just licensing, translating, and pumping out manga are offering fans a chance to be able to actually follow a story in ONE COMIC which comes out once or twice a month. Manga also offers stories that were born in a single writer's head, rather than in the marketing department or a team of twelve writers and artists that "collaborate" (read: whine at each other) on the story. Whenever mainstream comics companies like DC and Marvel fail, they can only blame themselves. It's their own fault that their adapations present a much, much more coherent vision of their stories than they do themselves.
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Princess X mentioned tape trading. Come on... surely someone here must have found this on the web somewhere, right? ;)
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As I said in the prior BoP talkback, this seems to be the only geekworthy series to check out next season. That's not to say necessarily that this series is going to be great, but it's a testament as to how weak all the new offerings from the broadcast networks are going to be come fall. I personally don't watch WW so I'll be Tivoing BoP to check it out. I also no longer watch Enterprise so BoP could be a good replacement for that personal hour in the week I spent watching/wasting time on it. Buffy, Angel, 24, and possibly BoP are the only regular hour-longs for me to watch next season.
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My prediction is that this show will pull in more of a male audience. (The girls have Smallville; the boys would get Birds of Prey.) Nothing wrong with this, and here are my suggestions to the producers (you never know, they may be reading the sites such as this one) to crank up the geek cred and fanbase of this show: 1) Reconsider the "no superhero costume" policy. It's okay to have Huntress and Black Canary in costume every now and then, but it's not necessary for them to always be in superhero garb. Just whenever a story deems it appropriate. 2) Likewise, we would love to see Harley become Harley Quinn, in her full harlequin supervillain get-up. There hasn't been a live-action depiction of Harley, and we really want to see it on this show. So please don't keep teasing us by never having Sherilyn Fenn put on the red-and-white spandex. 3) Put in some more characters from the various Batman continuities as guest or recurring characters: How about a teen runaway girl, named Carrie Kelly, who tries to be a female Robin? Lt. Bullock? Or a young scientist guy interning at Wayne Industries who will be Terry McGinnis' future dad? Even an appearance by Nightwing would work dramatically, since this would bring up Barbara's former (or still ongoing?) romantic relationshp with him. Poison Ivy, most definitely. And, of course, Talia needs to appear in this. I guarantee that if the producers of this show put some thought into doing these things, maybe even getting Bruce Timm and Paul Dini to contribute a few scripts, this series would take off. Even if the ratings are low, there would be a strong enough fanbase to convince the WB to keep it going.
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As for resolving the matter of Batman staying away from Gotham for so long: Seven years does seem too long and tough to believe that Bruce/Batman would stay away for that amount of time. So I suggest that the producers condense the time period. Have 22 episodes represent under 6 months in real-time. Thus, should the series run for 7 seasons, then only a little over 3 years in real-time for the characters has passed. That seems to be a more reasonable amount of time for Batman to be away from Gothan, and continuity freaks can pretend in their minds that Batman is traveling, fighting crime throughout the world and maybe even with the Justice League.
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Can Batman/Bruce W. appear on this show if they wanted to do a Father/Daughter reunion? Do they have the rights and clearances to do so?
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We also need to get Chris O'Donell who I thought was an excellent Robin, though they brought him in to old. H ewould be the perfect Nightwing now, we also need to get the actor who played the voice of Bullock on the cartoon(his name escapes me) to play Bullock here.
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Like it or not, film is the preeminent popular art form of the 20th, and so far, 21st century. That said, it is reasonable to assume that people would want to see an artsitic property from another medium, like comics, adapted into film. In fact, it could be argued that for the general public, the film interpretation is the ultimate realization. Of course comic fans know that the films often fall short. (Tangent: One of richest aspects of comics is not just the portrayal of a few individual fantastic characters, but of a dynamic, fantastic culture; or a dynamic and fantastic world. I feel this is key to modern comics: these grand mosaics either known as the "Marvel Universe" or "DC Universe." Sadly, we will probably not see movies that recreate these worlds in our lifetimes, and we'll have to settle for superhero stories piecemeal.) So important are the film adaptations to the public consciousness regarding superhero characters, that I feel that a bad (or more accurately, inappropriate) adaption can spoil the well; the same well from which comic readers are drawn.
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First off, is this supposed to be a spin-off of Smallville, i.e. in the same universe? Because that would ruin the whole Bruce Wayne cameo they'd been hoping for. Oh, and does he wear one of those crappy bondage rubber suits from the movies? :P Second, I have no idea how they made Helena a metahuman when both her parents were ordinary, albiet extrodinarily skilled, people. I do hope they refer to them as metahumans and not mutants, though. It helps distinguish the DC universe from the Marvel. I have to admit that they could certainly do worse than use the animated series' as a template, but considering some of the liberties they're taking it's going to be hard to take it seriously. Now I'm all for changing source material when it's neccessary for transition to another medium. I see Smallville as a cool little 'elseworlds' project. It seems they're going a bit too far with this one, though. That said, I will give it a chance. After all, there's nothing that annoys me more than people judging things that they have not seen. (That would be my friends that refuse to watch Buffy because of the NAME OF THE SERIES. Never mind that not only do I love it, but all of my buddies that I've gotten to watch a few episodes have gotten into Buffy, Angel or both.)
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of course, the comic book industry has some major faults of its own. Marvel, DC and the other corporate juggernauts such as Dark Horse and Image are sometimes overgreedy. there are some comic book traditions, such as the mega crossover, that are just crass. and the obsession with the super-hero genre is just retarded. BUT, you have some writers out there, with their own titles, who do some amazing things. just look at JMS' Midnight Nation, Terry Moore's Strangers In Paradise, David Lapham's Stray Bullets, etc. Spotlighting these worthwhile talents and their artistry is the only way to save and increase the comic book readership. hoping that the Spierman movie will somehow rejuvenate the industry is not only wishful thinking, it is suicidal. Those millions of people who saw the movie will NOT seek out the comic books. They will clamor for a second movie, but they will mostly follow the career of Tobey and Kirsten. Hollywood is not salvation, it is death. As for Village Idiot, i have to disagree; movies is not the preeminent popular art form of the 20-21st century. that would be television. even movies eventually bow to the all-powerful world-conquerent tv. and tv crushes everything. it crushed movies, it crushed music, and it crushed comic books. what we do now with our own little crippled art form is up to us...
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Why is it so hard to believe that Batman has left Gotham for 7 years? In Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns", batman splits for 10 years. Now think about this following scenario...Birds of Prey is on tv for 3 years, at which point batman has been gone for 10 years now. All of which could lead into a theatrical conclusion called "The Dark Knight Returns". fanboy speculation at it's best, hehe
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What the subject heading said.
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as far as great self-contained stories go, everyone should also check out Joss Whedon's Fray. that's about as good as comic books get
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May 19, 2002 3:43:17 PM CDT
In the sense that I was talking about, distinguishing between TV
by village idiot
Although you have to admit, movies hold more prestige among the masses, and thus more cultural currency. Movies valued more highly as the "official" source of expression, slightly edging out television in this regard.
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The actor playing Alfred is Ian Abercrombie, who played "Mr. Pitt" on Seinfeld for a year. I too thought he was excellent. My review of the show's pilot can be found at my website devoted to the show -- http://www.gothamclocktower.com.
The other actor that really just blew me away was Dina Meyer. They truly found the perfect Oracle. Sadly I probably won't see the pilot again until October, but I did really really like it.
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May 19, 2002 9:12:52 PM CDT
Does anyone know how much water this plant is supposes to get?
by greased_wizard
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Help!! No, BoP may not have been the best show on TV, or even at the bottom of the Must See list, but I watched it all and thought it would get better! Really! BUT I MISSED THE LAST 2 EPISODES, AND I NEVER GOT TO SEE THE OFT-TALKED-ABOUT UNAIRED PILOT!! If any kind soul out there could have mercy on this poor soul and send me a copy of these 3, or even just the final 2 if that's all you got, I would be eternally grateful!
I don't want to sell it, I don't want to pay you twenty prices for it, that being theft and all, but I will pay you for the tape and/or DVD-R and will the shipping. And a little extra if need be for the trouble. Please help!
I truly feel the show would have become very cool after the first year. They didn't make any more bad mistakes than STNG did it's first year, and look how great that became! Also I find it hard to believe that people like Smallville more than they liked BoP! Why??!! Smallville, for one thing, was supposed to be SMALL! This town is so big that there are places Clark has never been to or heard of before in it! Since freaking when??!!
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