Review

Harry's STAR WARS EPISODE TWO: ATTACK OF THE CLONES Final Film Review

Published at: May 17, 2002, 4:37 a.m. CST

Just got back from the 12:01am Screening in Austin at the Fabulous METROPOLITAN. Best National Chain managers in Austin. They organize and help keep the lines from getting out of hand. Let people in a bit at a time so that everyone could take their time getting to their seats. They made sure the sound would boom, the projector was bright and that we, the audience, were ready.

Quint and the lovely Auntie Meat had camped out holding our spot in line, I hated not being with them. But being on these crutches and having oral surgery really put a damper on my ‘line experience’ this time out. And I must say… I really miss doing it. It isn’t about the film, it is about the sense of community that builds around the theater. The feeling of family and unity when you walk in.

I showed up and got in line. Saw the folks in costume… A fellow from Chicago in Jedi robes was first in line and he was… moderately enthused about seeing the film…. Well, actually he was jazzed in the unable to stay still sort of way. Constantly pacing. Constantly looking around, the pressure of having stayed completely spoiler free on his brow. Looking at me, he sees answers, temptation… evil. Here, in the final hours, he faces his greatest danger… He comes over to show he has no fear. I saw his face, he was a word from bolting. "R2 is pink in this one!"

He runs.

The crowd was enthusiastic. Not ecstatic to be in line like the crowd of 1999. This isn’t the frantic long drought and the first water fountain in 16 years. This was a film some were fearing, some were hoping and all wanted to love.

For me… I was dying to see it. I wanted to avoid the news crews, this isn’t about me, the real story were the people that camped. Me, I’m just a fan that was lucky enough to have a friend that held my place. I didn’t deserve my position, I didn’t do the time. Injuries or not… My place was in line.

10:30 – we began marching into place. The line was excited… all a buzz. Getting closer.

10:45 – we enter into the actual screening room. The largest best screen in Austin. Just a wonderful place to see this type of movie.

I get my favorite seat. My best movie buddy at my side. Behind me a row of friends and Dad. People with light sabers and costumes litter the theater. Folks eager to see the film. Sporadic folks come up to thank me for the advance review I wrote, telling me that they weren’t gonna get in line early till they saw that. GULP, HOPE THEY LIKE THE MOVIE!

As the film was getting closer I was getting more and more excited. You see, I saw ATTACK OF THE CLONES before, but the print I had seen still needed MASSIVE POST-PRODUCTION work especially in the sound and sound effects editing and the music mixing stages. That stuff, simply wasn’t all done yet. Actually vast sequences hadn’t even a single sound effect, though some did. For example… those sonic mines that Jango shat out of the Slave 1? Well, zero sound there. End Jedi battle and Clone War… zero sound effects and score. The print I saw was seen on a tiny TV screen that my father had to run and secure from the house. Not my big television, but the tiny one. SIGH. So I saw it small, incomplete Fx, nearly at stage 2 sound wise and I needed to see it complete.

What would I notice different? Would I? After all it has been a few months now. How many major changes could there be?

Patch sitting next to was tired from a long day, had the beginnings of a headache, which she took Tylenol for. Quint was actually a bit nervous looking to be honest. He didn’t look entirely confident. I don’t know if that was just exhaustion or what, but he seemed a bit on the scurvy side. Father Geek was excited. Ever since March 16 it has been the two of us that have been able to talk about that experience. I haven’t wanted to spoil it for others.

The more that we talked through it, the more I loved it. Suffice to say, I’ve had a lot of time to digest my feelings about the film. Tonight was the final run-through.

The trailers before the film were completely unimportant. They were an aggravation, a tedious cacophony of meaningless babble. I’m sure they’ll all be great films, but I didn’t want to see trailers, I wanted to see ATTACK OF THE CLONES again, for the first time.

As the 20th Century Fox Fanfare played, cheers… Lucasfilm logo, cheers… ‘A Long Time Ago In A Galaxy Far Far Away’, cheers… The STAR WARS logo, cheers… as the crawl began… hushes and hushing… silence gathered across the theater as they were ready to listen to this evening’s chapter…

There is unrest in the Galactic Senate
Several hundred solar systems under
the leadership of the rebel leader, Count
Dooku, have declared their intentions to
secede from the Republic.

This separatist movement has made it
difficult for the limited number of
Jedi Knights to maintain peace and
order in the galaxy.

Senator Amidala, the former Queen of
Naboo, is returning to Coruscant
to vote on the critical issue
of creating an army to assist the
overwhelmed Jedi.

These three paragraphs set the film up. Count Dooku is leading a rebellion from the Republic. This has the Jedi spread out desperately trying to deal with the situation. Padme is returning to deal with the issue of creating a Republican army.

Now folks, there seems to be a lot of critics out there that couldn’t grasp or understand the plot of Episode 2. Apparently it was just too convoluted. Too dense. Too complicated to get. I’m going to try and explain very easily what is going on here.

First, we have an attempted assassination to set things in motion. Why? Senator Amidala was going to be the opposition leader against the creation of an Army for the Republic. Those that needed the Army of the Republic wanted her dead, she fears a dictatorship. OB1 and Anakin are assigned to protect her. In tracing a second assassination attempt back to an assassin, the assassin is killed leaving a mysterious flying backpack man taking off and a little dart. At this point, it becomes obvious that it is too dangerous to keep Amidala at Coruscant, but by sending a low-key Padawan Learner and not a high brow Jedi, she can keep a low profile and return safely to her planet where she will be protected in a safe environment. Meanwhile, OB1’s story is a mystery. Where is this dart from? He traces the dart to a system. Upon arrival he discovers a MILLION PLUS Clone Army trained and grown to fight for the Republic commissioned by a Jedi 10 years prior, who was allegedly killed before that. OB1 is asked to capture Jango Fett for questioning. He loses him and has to pursue him elsewhere. Meanwhile, we learn that the Dark Side is apparently clouding and interfering with the Jedi’s ability to use the Force. We don’t know How yet… YET.

Meanwhile, Anakin is in love with Padme, Padme is attracted to him. Why? He’s physically cute as a button. He loves her. Their situation is putting them in close independent proximity. They talk political philosophies, old times, dreams for the future. Young love. It doesn’t make sense. It isn’t supposed to. It simply is. Why is she not being hunted by bountyhunters now? Because she is effectively out of the way. The only reason the attempts were made was to secure the Trade Federation’s cooperation. And two, get a weaker minded individual into her voting place so that the Army of the Republic bill could come to pass. Anakin, like his son Luke, is compelled by a vision/dream of a loved one’s suffering. He rushes to aide his mother. Why hadn’t he done this before? Probably because he wanted to return to his mother as a full fledged Jedi, like she dreamed for him. Now I know he goes on a killing spree here folks, but the death of his mother isn’t the turning point for his character. Anakin hasn’t even been invited over yet. He is exploring it through his own lack of control. He still wants to be good. As much as he complains about OB1, he loves him. As much as he complains about the rules of the Jedi, it is his dream to become one. He just has some character flaws. Why did Yoda send him to guard Padme? Because she knew him, and he probably figured that it was time to trust Anakin. Let him get out a bit from under OB1’s wing. Push him out of the nest hoping that the experience would do him good.

Ok, meanwhile OB1 tracks Jango to a bug people planet, where he learns about a robot army being created and a plot to militarily overthrow the Republic and the Jedi. He alerts Anakin and Padme, who in turn alert Yoda and the Jedi Council. This situation serves as the impetus to give Palpatine WAR POWERS ACT, making him absolute ruler, till he decides he doesn’t need to be anymore. Riiiight. Jar Jar is not responsible solely for this. In actuality, it was Yoda and Mace Windu and Ki Adi Mundi that most aggressively need the help of this army to defeat this new threat.

This puts everything in stage for a big battle.

What is the goal of the battle? Well if you want to be a dictator, you pit two sides that you are allies with fight, with your enemy in the middle. The goal of this whole conflict was multi-fold.

1) Put Palpatine in position to assume War Powers, thus effectively making him a dictator.

2) Put the clone army at Palpatine’s fingertips.

3) Killing as many Jedi as possible in the crossfire, thus crippling their abilities to adequately uphold the law of the Republic.

4) Test the strength and weaken the Jedi. Watch how they respond and look for weaknesses.

By the time you reach the end of this film there should be many questions and things to ponder.

Who really put in the order for the Clone Army?

If in regards to the Sith there is always a Master and an Apprentice – is it possible that Sidious has multiple Apprentices? That he learned from the Sith’s last defeat?

What will be the final blow that pushes Anakin all the way from the light to darkness?

What happens that breaks Yoda’s nerve and sends him into hiding on a slimy mudball of a planet? His ultimate realization that the Jedi have essentially handed control of the Republic to the Sith, well that and whatever else happens crushes his confidence. The Yoda of Empire and the Yoda of Attack of the Clones are two very different characters. For this to work, something must complete the transformation.

How are the children (Luke and Leia) taken from Padme? Voluntarily? Dies during childbirth? What?

Are Palpatine and Sidious really the same person, or has Sidious grown a clone of himself with independence inhibitors allowing him to control a version of himself that he can step into now that he has assumed power?

Is the long assumed edge of a volcano fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan going to be a reality? Or does Lucas have another plan for how to complete his transformation?

What happens to Dooku?

What is Bail Organa’s part in all of this? His exhibition of frustration in that last shot on that balcony over-seeing the Clone army with Palpatine was quite indicative of his obvious dislike for the current situation.

How is Anakin and Padme split apart?

Then the big question… What do we not even have a clue about, that will affect things in the next chapter?

Now those are the questions on my mind at the end of this film.

DIGITAL FILMMAKING

The film print that I saw last night/this morning and throughout the weekend was gorgeous. There were a couple of key moments throughout the film where the background elements became very pixely. But these were few and far between. The worst of these was in Padme’s apartment during the conversation between Anakin and Kenobi. On Ewan’s reverse shot, the background was terribly blotchy.

I had talked with Robert Rodriguez about the ‘alleged problems’ with the High Def 24fp Sony Camera and Lucas’ STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES and he told me that George had a couple of problems in the making of his film only because they were prototype cameras, and that the first HD lenses weren't as good as they are right now. Also, in scenes like the one above that I described are moments where George may have blown up an image over 250 times to get the shot he wanted. Robert said that he didn't have these problems on ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO or SPY KIDS 2 because now there are newer lenses, plus he didn't blow up a shot more than 250% (which is still a lot.) To give you an idea, regular 35mm film, when you begin blowing it up, by the time you get to 50 to 75% it looks worse than those moments in ATTACK OF THE CLONES when it was blown up over 250%. Overmanipulation of any image, film or HD, will cause degradation.

Overall, this film is gorgeous. The colors pop, the look of the movie is like nothing I’ve really seen before. There are moments I found as beautiful as any I’ve seen in Science Fiction, and some that surpassed anything I’d seen before.

THE ROMANCE:

Much has been spoken about the Romance in ATTACK OF THE CLONES. For me it works. Sure it is a cliché, but cliché often happens to be a part of love. Everytime you buy the woman you love a rose, you are falling prey to cliché. When you buy a diamond ring for the wedding ring, you are experiencing cliché. Celebrating your anniversary is cliché. Putting on music, turning off the lights and lighting a candle… HUGE CLICHÉ.

As far as cliché goes, the romance between Anakin and Padme works very well for me. I have no doubt looking at Anakin that he is obsessively in love with Padme. I find it very easy to see why he would be. It is Natalie Portman. She has a way of disarming one. Her smile, those eyes… um, the rest of her. She’s a strong independent young woman who looks absolutely fantastic for her late twenties. What is she here… 26 – 28. Cuz wasn’t she supposed to be like 16-17 in the last one? Personally, I buy that.

The harder part of this romance is buying why Padme would fall for Anakin. I think the easiest excuse is just looking at him. He’s handsome as hell. Though that isn’t everything. Patch, who was sitting next to me was being creeped out by Anakin. His little smile when he’s told not to look at her that way. The way his eyes linger. These are all things that are just… creepy. It wasn’t till on Naboo, when they were totally alone, when there was no more need to look STRONG by others, that Anakin let a lot of his pompousness go. Suddenly you can see that there is a good kid in there. Someone that has been lonely, someone wanting desperately to be loved. He laughs at her jokes, no matter how stupid. He flirts with her, giggling about teasing a Senator. The pretend injury suffered from the grazing Naboo cow creature, the roll through the field, shared laughter. The memory of a single kiss. A kiss they both took. His desire to protect her. The shared memory of what has come before. She feels a certain amount of responsibility for Anakin. She was there, in his life, when he was taken from his mother and entered into a different life. These are the moments about which their love is based.

Padme is a public figure. Lonely and watched. Protected from most interactions. Her life threatened and endangered from her defeat of the Trade Federation years prior. She had one romantic interlude in her life that went wrong. Two people, two different standings in life. She longs for love, but is a sensible woman. Someone of position. There is no time for love in her life. She is bound by the responsibility of protecting her people and the Republic. That is what she has dedicated her life to, yet here is this young man. Powerful, in love with her, able to protect her from harm, attractive, flawed needing to be held and loved back. She fights it because she knows her involvement with him could jeopardize his career as a Jedi. But when the end is certain. When the have that moment before the flame of life seems moments from extinguishing… She professes her love. That moment can never be taken back. Suddenly the regret of opportunities not taken. The regret of not having love in her life, makes her crave it more than anything. When one’s life flashes before one’s eyes upon the precipice of death, she found what was missing in her life standing beside her. That’s why she loves him.

Where is all of that? Much of it is subtext, empathy and John Williams’ score. Glances in her eyes, frustration at being unable to speak. Watching Anakin suffer through the loss of his mother, tortured by visions of her mistreatment. Shared peril. All of this adds up to that kiss.

Love is a mostly unspoken thing for some found somewhere between a set of eyes staring back into one another. A pregnant pause that draws two closer to kiss.

JAR JAR BINKS:

I believe I now understand exactly what Jar Jar Binks was meant to be in the STAR WARS saga. Jar Jar Binks is essentially Lyndon Baines Johnson. When LBJ lobbied the Senate to give him special military powers to raise forces and deal with the problem in Vietnam, he had no idea how badly that was going to go. He didn’t see it through. He was seen as a goofy character with a funny accent and giant ears… No substitute for the great leader that he was asked to replace due to an assassination, which many claimed was because of his position on the War in Vietnam. (At least Oliver Stone thinks so.) Jar Jar listened to others in that big room and in wanting to do the right thing, but not having the patience or time to fully think through his actions, he ultimately finds himself a pawn in creating one of the great tragedies. Much like LBJ, his similarly big eared funny accented political leader from Texas. No wonder mesa always loved him.

RISE OF THE EMPEROR:

This is my primary love of the film. Sure the fights are cool, the effects are cool, Yoda is cool, Jango Fett is cool, Obi Wan Kenobi is cool, I like the romance, I dig the pieces and little moments throughout the film, but what I love more than anything is how George Lucas is handling the Emperor’s character.

This chapter of the STAR WARS saga is essentially the James Bond film to end all James Bond films. James Bond is divided into two characters. Obi Wan and Anakin. M is Yoda, who sends Obi Wan to handle the mystery of the dart and Anakin to safeguard the babe. Now contrary to 90% of the James Bond movies, M (aka Yoda) doesn’t tell Bond, "The guy you’ll be investigating is _____, you’ll find him at ________, your job is to ________ him and take control of _________." Hell, Yoda doesn’t even know that there is A) The Evil Master Plan, B) Giant Armies Massing, C) That getting the Senator off Coruscant is playing directly into the Evil guy’s hands.

I love that Scaramanga (aka Dooku) isn’t revealed all along. That he isn’t playing cat and mouse with Bond (aka Obi Wan) throughout the whole film. Instead Obi Wan’s mission is to catch OddJob/Jaws/Donald ‘Red’ Grant (aka Jango Fett) and bring him in for questioning. He doesn’t even know who this guy works for. Hasn’t a clue that by following him he’ll find himself at the big SPECTRE meeting with the big round table listening to how they are going to overthrow M and all his double O agents. Meanwhile the other Bond (aka Anakin) is all emotion. He’s the Bond trying to lay his lady down. Protect her from on top. Problem is, she is resistant to his charms. She finds Bond (aka Anakin) too cocky and sure of himself to start with, and only when Bond drops his pretension and begins communicating to her and exposing himself emotionally, does she begin to let him in. Then, of course when all the Bond information (Padme Safe/Bad Guys here) is sent to M, he sends all the agents, while M goes off to get the entirety of the British Armed Forces to lay waste to the enemy.

There is no victory though because it turns out that the Prime Minister is actually Blofeld disguised to look like Tony Blair, the man that M allegedly ultimately reports to.

What’s the point? The point is for this democracy to be turned into a dictatorship, those that protect the sanctity of the government and the ideals that keep it free… MUST BE ELIMINATED. That is the Jedi. If the Emperor reveals himself, his power ebbs. Hidden, behind the scenes, you control and push both sides of the chess match. If you control both sides long enough, you win. This is brilliant TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE STRATEGY!

The lessons being taught here are everybit as important and relevant today… In the world we are currently in.

One can not empower a government or an individual to have limited controls over the freedoms we cherish, unlimited powers over our military and absolute power over a domestic police force to go hunting for traitors in our midst. No matter how nice the leader at the time may be, they can be taken out. They can be destroyed and the one that steps in could be the nightmare.

Is it over complicated?

Not for me. I can see it pretty clearly. This is fucking STAR WARS, it isn’t complicated. Ingmar Bergman and Luis Bunuel are complicated. They require deep thought, but this is pretty darn easy to follow stuff. And welcome distraction from the "Good guys on this side of the screen. Bad guys on that side of the screen. Now. GO!" that you see in James Bond films, Ahnuldt movies and the other Star Wars films.

Why does it need to be more than just the average A-B-C?

Because YODA isn’t supposed to go… "Hmmm, The Evil Palpatine it is. Destroy I must!" and just end it there.

This is the story of how centuries of peace fell apart. How a Government so sure of itself. So powerful. So Self-righteous and full of faux security could just hand the keys of the kingdom to EVIL INCARNATE.

Anakin… Vader… That’s a small piece to all of this. Stop being distracted by him, he isn’t the story. THE STORY IS THE FALL OF THE REPUBLIC, THE RISE OF THE EMPIRE and THE TRIUMPH OF THE REBELLION. These other stories are details that play a part in serving those three MAJOR plot constructs.

As for the much maligned dialogue, this part of the story is very different from the pre-existing Star Wars series. There is a lot going on, but I enjoyed particularly the banter between Obi Wan and Anakin.

Like this exchange:

OBI-WAN
If you'd spend as much time
working on your saber skills as
you do on your wit, young Padawan,
you would rival Master Yoda as a
swordsman.

ANAKIN
I thought I already did.

OBI-WAN
Only in your mind, my very young
apprentice.

Or here where OB1 exhibits his utter cool and Anakin his lack of cool…

ANAKIN
I think he's a she...

OBI-WAN
Then be extra careful...
(nods to a room)
Check it out.

OBI-WAN goes away.

ANAKIN
Where are you going, Master?

OBI-WAN
To get a drink.

I love how so much is revealed about Anakin in this tiny bit…

ANAKIN
Don't get me wrong... Obi-Wan is
a great mentor. As wise as Master
Yoda and as powerful as Master
Windu. I am truly thankful to be
his apprentice. Only... although
I'm a Padawan learner, in some
ways... a lot of ways... I'm ahead
of him.

Or this wonderful exchange between Padme and Anakin on their way to Naboo which I feel really details a lot of the regrets of following the path of the Jedi as well as serving as a foreplay of back and forth between Anakin and Padme in their discussions about the option of love:

PADMÉ
It must be difficult having sworn
your life to the Jedi... not being
able to visit the places you
like... or do the things you
like...

ANAKIN
Or be with the people I love.

PADMÉ
Are you allowed to love? I
thought that was forbidden for a
Jedi.

ANAKIN
Attachment is forbidden.
Possession is forbidden.
Compassion, which I would define
as unconditional love, is central
to a Jedi's life, so you might say
we're encouraged to love.

PADMÉ
You have changed so much

ANAKIN
You haven't changed a bit. You're
exactly the way I remember you in
my dreams.

Of course that is such a serious line. Here you can see Anakin creating his own definitions, allowing himself to love her, at the same time he is professing his love for her. Letting her know about the feelings he has for her and showing her how he’s not that little boy anymore, but someone that can love her. The rest of their dialogue is the clumsy back and forth dialogue of two people that have never really had love before. Anakin has never had it, Padme back before she was Queen. This isn’t mature love. This isn’t perfect love. This is unconditional love by inexperienced lovers forbidden to have what they have. Here’s their scene before going into the coliseum:

ANAKIN
Don't be afraid.

PADMÉ
I'm not afraid to die. I've been
dying a little bit each day since
you came back into my life.

ANAKIN
What are you talking about?

PADMÉ
I love you.

ANAKIN
You love me?! I thought we
decided not to fall in love. That
we would be forced to live a lie.
That it would destroy our lives...

PADMÉ
I think our lives are about to be
destroyed anyway. My love for you
is a puzzle, Annie, for which I
have no answers. I can't control
it... and now I don't care. I
truly, deeply love you, and before
we die I want you to know.

Now as a declaration of love between two people on the edge of death, I buy it. These are not Woody Allen and Diane Keaton… They are not mature people having loved and failed at it and tried again and again and again. Their hearts have never been broken. They haven’t been to whorehouses or strip clubs. These are two virgins pussyfooting about a love they’ve never experienced. You can’t judge it by what you would say, unless you happen to be a pussyfooting virgin or really and honestly can remember what the pussyfooting virgin in you once said and sounded like.

Roger Ebert said the most unsexy thing in the world is a declaration of love. WELCOME TO YOUNG LOVE, where the only thing a pair of unloved ears want to hear is that someone loves them and that they love back. And it always ends with a kiss. Lucas spares us the 2 minute copulation moment as Anakin releases too quickly, but frankly… that belongs offscreen.

As for humor, my favorite funny line came from Yoda:

YODA
Lost a planet, Master Obi-Wan has. How
embarrassing

I happen to have enjoyed C3P0’s funny comments. Did it lighten the moment? Yeah, but I also seem to remember in Empire Strikes Back while being chased through an Asteroid field by Tie Fighters and Star Destroyers, that wonderful gay robot spouting odds, and Han belting back one liners, all when they should just be silent and be navigating like hell. Or at the end of that film, where Threepio is riding R2’s ass about fixing him not the Falcon and being way way waaaay over the top. Frankly, you either like Threepio or not, I love ol Goldenrod.

Now every STAR WARS film has to have a line or two that I love. Frankly the "This party is over," line made me smile. I love the throw down line to Yoda from Dooku… In fact just about anything Christopher Lee said makes me happy. He is just that cool. But far above the rest, my favorite line… The one I’ll quote for the remainder of my years, months, days, hours or minutes that God or my cholesterol level lets me have on this planet is:

JANGO FETT
I'm just a simple man, trying to
make my way in the universe

Folks… I don’t know about you. Maybe you didn’t like this film. Personally, I can’t for a second understand that. This is the most intelligently plotted of the Star Wars films. The most viscerally exciting and thrilling of the Star Wars films. And frankly the most entertaining of the Star Wars films for me.

Not once is there a sequence that even vaguely recalls the horror and embarrassing stupidity of the song numbers in Return of the Jedi. Or the Ewoks in general. Jar Jar Binks is very limited and effective to me in this film.

Where does this film stand for me? Without a doubt above Jedi and Phantom. Somewhere in the top three for now. I’ve always fluctuated STAR WARS and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK… They’ve always sort of been back and forth depending upon my mood. Is this a lock for third? I’ll tell you after 10 more viewings. Right now, I’m excited because this, for me, is a STAR WARS movie. Saw with a great fun audience that overall seemed to really love it. Isn’t that what it is all ultimately about?

I mean, what is STAR WARS?

For me, STAR WARS is not just a movie, but a place to be transported. It is a fairy tale of basic human clichés and mythologies thrust against the backdrop of laser swords and space chariots. It’s a place where, "YAHOOOOO KID, NOW LET’S BLOW THIS PLACE AND GO HOME!" in the midst of a battle coming straight out of light speed sounds like the greatest fucking piece of dialogue since, "Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship!"

STAR WARS is magic, a magic of innocence and wonderment. And I love that the universe I grew up in as a kid is getting bigger. Adding planets like Geonosis and Kamino was great. Discovering why Boba Fett hates Jedi… wonderful. Just hearing the sound of that wonderful sonic mine… drop your dick cool. Way to go Ben! For me, watching Anakin and Padme’s romance, knowing that it is going to end badly, knowing that I have Han and Leia to look forward to when I end up watching all 6 of these back to back. I LOVE IT. I’m so glad their romance isn’t a mirror of that one. That it will be the story of woe theirs is the story of joy. Hearts crushed and mended in the same epic series.

I want that life. I want chairs that descend from the ceiling as those cool Kamino folk talk to me about my Clone army. I love that we get to see the street life of Coruscant. I love that after two months of having seen the film, after countless fucking interviews and chats and phone calls from long lost friends… that after all of that on a Thursday evening I still have somewhere close to 5500 words to say about the latest installment of the STAR WARS series and I could go on and on and on. That I can talk this stuff all night long and into the morning and the day after that.

I love that there is a new STAR WARS movie playing minutes from my house that literally makes me lose my shit with happiness. I love that in my chatrooms I can argue back and forth and cheer the merits and see elation from so many that they loved this chapter. And sure there are those out there that were disappointed or hated this film, but ya know what. It must suck to be you, because I saw STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES and I can’t wait to see it again.

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  • May 17, 2002, 4:40 a.m. CST

    It sucked, but for different reasons than TPM.

    by xavier masterson

    The love story as written shows why Lucas had to adopt his kids. Get out a little, George.

  • May 17, 2002, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Agree totally with your closing paragraphy, Harry

    by Meier

    I avoided all the spoilers in advance, didn't grab the VCD screener when presented with it.. counted down the days, hours, minutes and now I have already seen it twice, and loved it both times, probably more the second time in fact. I was lucky enough to catch the DLP version today (saw it last night on an IMAX screen but was not the digital version). I loved this movie. There was one extended scene I could have done without, the whole meeting of Anakin and Lars'/his son. It bored me but it was necessary, so I can forgive it. Other than that, I thought the film was damn near perfect. It had so many little things that were just cool, and I can say without fail I've never been as excited in a movie as the whole last 40 minutes of the film. The Yoda scene has to be the coolest thing I've ever seen, simply was beside myself. I'm sure I'll see it another two or three times and love it just as much then and I can only feel sorry for those who can't go into a film and just enjoy the experience, because if you didn't enjoy this film, then that is apparently the case.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:03 a.m. CST

    hmmm

    by donner

    I couldn't help but be very underwhelmed by the whole thing. Maybe my feelings will change once I see it with a sell out crowd again on Saturday night but a lot of the acting was incredibly wooden from actors you know are capable of better, some of the more important moments such as the death of anakins mother just felt thrown in as well. It's a three star film that could have been better with attention paid to the simplest things.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:04 a.m. CST

    by Dzobi-wan

  • May 17, 2002, 5:05 a.m. CST

    I was an idiot

    by Playhouse

    I downloaded the script a couple of weeks ago. After getting the soundtrack and seeing some quotes from the movie in the liner notes, I was assured that this was, indeed, the screenplay. And, without temperance, I read it. Even went through and corrected the grammar and the format of this hastily written copy of the screenplay. So going into the movie today, I really had no surprises before me. But I rationalized that it was like reading a play before going to see it. You know the words, but you have to see it in action. And there were a few new scenes that weren't in this copy of the screenplay. However, there was a lot in the screenplay that was cut out of the film, probably for time's sake. This was unfortunate to me. I think that Episode II was written as a much better film than the one that was put to the screen. So much dialogue that made the story much more interesting was cut out. I felt that it actually lost some of the magic that it was hoping for as a result. Do I like the story? Yes. Do I like the movie? I think so. I will have to see it again to get a true gauge of it. But I will say that I would have to agree with those who have said that Lucas has lost much of the heart that brought the first films to the screen. The original trilogy was as intricate and complex a universe (if not more) than both Episodes I and II have shown us, and the original trilogy hardly showed anything of the worlds that made up that universe. It was in the dialogue. It was in the interaction of the characters. The smaller and tighter the shots in the original trilogy speak volumes more than the expansive shots of the prequel trilogy. I couldn't help but feel that Lucas got so lost in the environments of his world that he forgot much of the story. Do I like Episode I? Yes. I can see how it was exposition and introduction to the whole saga. Is it flawed? Very much so. Do I like Episode II? Like I said, I will have to see it again to make that judgment. I think I will, but only in the role that it plays in the larger story than as a singular movie itself. Which is tough, because I can watch Empire by itself and be thoroughly enjoyed, thoroughly enthralled and thoroughly caught up in the magic that made up my childhood. Some of that seems lost in these new movies, even though their vision is so much more expansive and drawn. I really can't wait for the DVD later this year and see the deleted scenes or other scenes Lucas puts back in to fill the story. It's almost a shame that he doesn't take as much of a stance with the story (who the hell cares about movie lengths anymore if they tell the proper story) as he does with the techniques behind it. But, for the time being, consider me undecided and on the fence on this one.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:07 a.m. CST

    I quite liked it.

    by enigmainyourhead

    I liked how it rocked. I'm gonna go see it in digital, cause it looked ugly on film, unless the blue splotches in the black are really from blowing it up 250%. But I can't see how the apartment scene could've been filmed from so far out that they needed to blow it up that much.

  • I think I was expecting it to be a little too much like THE PHANTOM MENACE - a movie that I personally thought was flawed but still entertaining (I didn't loathe it as much as everyone else but I can definitely see why most people had problems with it). The main problem that I had with EPISODE I was that it just didn't feel like a STAR WARS movie. It had lightsabers and space battles but it just didn't seem to fit at all in the universe that Lucas had originally created. Having said that, I do believe ATTACK OF THE CLONES is a step in the right direction. I'm sure everyone will agree that the romance is dull and that Natalie Portman seemed to be just as lifeless in this installment as she was in the first picture... but I pretty much expected that so it didn't bother me to the point where I had to constantly roll my eyes at the bland acting and bad line delivery (like I did with PHANTON MENACE). Despite what some people say, I actually think Hayden Christensen did a pretty good job and managed to make Anakin as arrogant and overly confident as any average teenager. Yoda rocked. Yoda rocked hard. You can't beat that final battle between him and Dooku (except that it didn't last long enough) especially when he does that upward sideways spin with the lightsaber... ooohhh yeeaahhhh... that rocked. There was also something kind of funny about Yoda leading a squad of Clone Troopers into battle. Also, the mystery surrounding the corruption within the Jedi Order including the planet deleted from the archives and the link between Dooku and Palpatine was the first time since EMPIRE STRIKES BACK that a STAR WARS movie had me trying to peice together a puzzle in my mind. That was cool. Jango and Boba Fett didn't have as much screen time as I would have hoped but they did have some great scenes together with little Boba's final shot being the most haunting and disturbing of them all (note to all bounty hunters: don't use short range blasters against a bad ass motherfucker like Mace Windu). The arena battle where all the Jedi reveal themselves and ignite their weapons was just one of those classic STAR WARS moments that fans will always remember. Oh, and whose voice was it that cried out 'No, Anakin!' when the Tusken Raiders got slaughtered? It sounded like Qui-Gonn!!! Did you notice Yoda's teary eyes when he sensed Anakin's 'great pain', I thought that was a nice touch. Okay, I'm rambling on now... but I just enjoyed the hell out of this movie. I can't wait for EPISODE III!

  • May 17, 2002, 5:14 a.m. CST

    its all about the coke bottle race...

    by Extant59

    i have to say it was good. yes you can find faults in the movie.. but if you want to be a little girl about it you can find faults in anything. i watched the 12am showing.. a nice mixed croud. friends from local bands and your typical nerd. but it was a blast. i took my mom for mothers day. why? it was something my mom used to explain to me when i was a kid, she told me about how darth vader used to be anakin and little things like that. i guess its a bonding thing.. but for a 22 year old kid to take his mom my friends thought it was cool. take the movie for what it is. a decent movie that can take you back to your childhood and build memories on, friends you watch the movie with.. or how after anakin killed all those tuskin raiders and was whining some punk kid in the theater laughs loud and everyone else laughs cause it is funny. but i'm planning on seeing this again. OH. and the crowd cheering for thier favorite coke bottle. LONG LIVE THE COKE BOTTLE RACE!

  • May 17, 2002, 5:14 a.m. CST

    It did NOT suck !!!

    by bluelou_boyle

    When I cam out of TPM 3 years ago, I felt a bit empty. Like a lot of people I suppose. I didn't feel the 'buzz' of Star Wars, that awe-struck wonder. Well I did feel that after AOTC. That silly grin is still plastered all over my face. This film has heart and soul, which I didn't really feel in TPM. Better paced, better acted, better scored, less clunky exposition.The actors all seemed to be enjoying it more. my only complaint is that the Obi-Wan/Anakin/Dooku saber flight is a bit fleeting. I guess you have to keep the run time down though. It's strange that Lucas says the fan and critical reaction does not affect him, because the changes here would satisfy all the fans complaints. I think Rick Mcallum had it right when he said 'We want to give you what you want'. Well you did just that, and I'm off to see it again in huge digital fun in Leicster Square tommorrow night. I can't wait.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Wow!!!!!

    by Gabba-UK

    It's 3 am. I've been up for 20hrs, 12 of them at work. I've been fueled by that nervous energy that only a junkie would know. The nervous energy that tell's you that your about to get your next fix. I've only had this drug 4 times before and each time it's effect on me has diminished, cut by my old age and my increasing cynical outlook on life. I've just payed my

  • May 17, 2002, 5:23 a.m. CST

    MESA HAPPY

    by Dzobi-wan

    Sure, a midnight screening here in Australia was bound to be exciting - but there was a palpable air of people keeping their expectations in check; for reasons Harry has already covered. But this was the STAR WARS that got me so dizzy all those years ago. This is a popcorn movie, featuring some of the finest STAR WARS moments EVER. Obi-Wan as Phillip Marlowe, YODA as NEO, and Jar Jar as the unwitting Benedict Arnold. For me, this movie redeemed my faith (although someone did say that Hayden's performance is just like a grown-up Jake Lloyd - I hafta agree). Notable was the return of humour, much like the original trilogy. Ewan McGregor really hits his Jedi stride with this one. The final battle scenes are truly awe-inspiring, and YODA rocks so much it's nearly terrifying (and hobbles away at the end! Hilarious!) I'm happy. Things are back on track!

  • May 17, 2002, 5:25 a.m. CST

    My Thoughts

    by Fernwick_

    After seeing this movie im in turmoil. There are scenes that I loved. And scenes that made me sick. The ending with Yoda is so fantastic it made up the the whole movie with me and I left with a positive feeling but I feel I understand what is wrong with the new trilogy. 1. Lucas cant write. Nuff said on that. 2. Lucas needs to let someone else direct these movies. Look at what Irvin Kershner did with ESB. I have a book called Skywalking that discusses how Lucas approaches filmmaking and Lucas says himself that he sees what Kershner is trying to do with Empire but that he is making it a far better movie then it needs to be. That in itself bothered me. Lucas doesnt make the movie to be "really" good. He just wants to get it done and make it work. Well sorry to say this George but Irving could have made this movie 1,000 times better. 3. Action scenes seem to have either no bite or it looks like the Jedi are moving in slow motion. Everytime I see Obi Wan spin kill a droid i wanna puke he moves so slow. SPEED UP THE TAPE OR SOMETHING GEORGE. Only George Lucas could have made that last scene seem semi-boring. 4. All dialogue has seems like its been reviewed for typographical and grammer errors. JUST LET PEOPLE TALK GEORGE! Its painfull to watch these people talk throughout the movie. 5. There is no sense of danger. This is a biggie. Remember in the Phantom Menace how they are in that ship under water...and are being chased by a huge fush? The Jedi act like.... Oh...its a big fish.. I guess its time to hurry up. No worries though. Or when they were in the Arena in AOTC's you didnt even THINK that ANYTHING was gonna happen. Or that it even could happen. Its too far fetched. come on George do something here. In the Matrix I nearly pissed myself with fear, shock, surprise, anticipation, but here I just said...hmmm....those Monsters look pretty cool... Boy this is taking a long time. Why dont they just use the force to take off the handcuffs like Vader and The Emperor can? Why dont they fly those monsters up to Dooku's observation booth? Why dont they use the choke force to stranger those monsters? and so on and so on. I liked the movie, but I liked it like I like a Jackie Chan movie, you take out the fight scenes, and the stunts...and who wants to watch? Here take out Yoda, Jango Fett, and this is one lame movie. Anyone else agree?

  • May 17, 2002, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Good Recovery

    by Mr_P

    First hour sucked big time, bored stupid - 6 of us went on first night in Edinburgh and agreed that the first 60 minutes were dreadfull. However, I thought the second half was a good recovery and it actually felt like a star wars film. In the 3 of us enjoyed it 3 thought it was incredibly boring and needed 30 mins cut out of it.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Good read Harry but one thing!!!

    by Rogue_Leader

    Amidala definately does not die in Episode III. At least not during child birth. Otherwise how the hell does Leia remember her mother in ROTJ?? Amidala probably dies when Leia is like 3 years old. Plus we must also remember that Anakin AKA Darth Vader never knew about his daughter Leia. Only of his son Luke. Obi-Wan clearly tried to hide Anakin;s kids from him. It probably had a hand in his downfall. OH yeah and as for AOTC the movie was very good. ALOT better than Episode I. It still lags behind the classic trilogy for me but I am pleased with what I got.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Yoda! Yoda! Yoda!

    by Gerbach

    I really really enjoyed this movie. Like most people I thought that TPM was a bit.... you know, but I tried to keep an open mind whilst not expecting too much in the midst of all the spoilers etc. Once that the initial excitment of the opening seq and the assasination attempt / ob1's & Annakin adventure on corusant I thought that the film settled into a slow burner mode. It worked really well fliting between the love affair and the investigation. I initially thought that Padem/Annekin's acting was a bit wooden but improved as the story developed. Iwan McG. has made Ob1 his own role, and mace Windu is one bad motherf***er. When it truly kicks off with all the Jedi in the arena and what follows.... I was blown away, as someone else said Yoda rocked and rocked hard. I agree with the bond analogy, and I thought there was also a hint of a Western meets a Vietnam war movie with the Jedi surrounded by the Indians sorry Droid Army with the Clone Cavelry coming to the rescue. With the open sided craft resembling those Helicopers in 'Nam movies you could almost hear Mace Windu declaring "I love the smell of Plasma in the morning!" Can't wait for epIII (and eps vii,viii& ix if George's slip of the tounge is anything to go by.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Sounds like Harry may be on to diagnosing whatever personality d

    by dumbpeoplesuck

    I've read the negative comments from the probable negative folks about Attack of the Clones, and all I could think of after the first viewing was, well, I think they are the victims of yet another unseen chemical-based terroist attack that renders them unable to be satisfied by anything (accompanied by a similar, earlier attack which seems to have created a vast army of absolute idiots). If anything, I'm guilty of choosing my critics by how they feel about movies I get off on...which is why I am on Harry's site 20 times a day. Harry, you have beautifully articulated my EXACT feelings with your final review of Episode II. The next three years are going to be HELL!

  • May 17, 2002, 5:33 a.m. CST

    "George, All Is Forgiven for TPM"

    by Nick15

    Frankly, this will probably be THE most heard and overused (catch?) phrase of this year. True. All is forgiven for TMP. Now only have I forgotten about how bad TMP was while watching it, but it also gave meaning to the existance of Jar Jar to begin with. Now that I think about it, it was worth putting up with that meesa shit just so that Jar Jar could say the words that would turn a mere senator into an emperor. Good times.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:37 a.m. CST

    another wow

    by LoserTooch

    Really that was amazing the movie as a whole kills TPM and is a little better than ROTJ.Oh and It's been said a million times but I'm saying it again: Yoda Kicked Ass.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Fucking amazing movie

    by Anti-fanboy

    I'm not gonna get anal--I take SW for what it is--I just LOVED this movie. Very, very satisfying. I thought Hayden gave one of the best performances an actor could give within the particular constraints of the saga. Really impressed. Jango's death hit much harder than I expected--I was actually kind of rooting for the guy.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Likes, Dislikes

    by FatherMcGruder

    First off, this was far superior to PM, easily. However, it is an odd combination of dull, listless acting and awful dialog, and wonderfully fantastic imagery, amazing battle scenes, and, well, Ms. Portman looks effing HOT in all of the six thousand different outfits her character apparently owns. It's a shame that some of it is so awful, because if the wonderful elements had been backed up by characters and interactions that meant something, it would have been magnificent. So, first the bad news, starting with the smallest gripes. (START MINOR SPOILERS) I hate it when movies play around with their own established rules. Jedi are supposed to be the badassest of badasses. That was one thing about PM I liked; the Jedi were super-powerful and even feared! In this movie, it seems like anyone and there mother can take on a Jedi (yes, I exaggerate). A bounty hunter, no matter how cool, should not even BEGIN to be able to stand against a Jedi Master. And FIFTY or so Jedi Masters should NOT have a problem with several hundred droids, even if their control over the force is lessening. One Jedi should be worth AT LEAST ten or twenty droids. Oh, and how can Obi-wan open a huge electronic door (on the clone planet) with a wave of his hand, but metal handcuffs (in the arena), oooh, big trouble. What the hell? (END SPOILERS) Next up, my bigger complaints: Every secondary character and bit part was played by an awful actor. They had no expressions, no strong reactions, just awful. It really detracts from the experience when a minor character walks up and says something expressionlessly in a monotone. This problem also plagues the leads, however, and they have proven themselves capable in other movies, so perhaps this is more a problem with the director. The dialog, even between principles, even in tender or intense moments, is flat and lifeless to the point of making one wince. The actors manage to shine through a few times, but generally not. This is by far my biggest complaint; stilted dialog delivered in a stilted way. The frustrating thing is that the ideas are great. This IS mythic stuff; forbidden love, temptation to evil, passion versus duty, but the execution is sadly lacking. OK, in all fairness, here's what I loved: The imagery was stunning. I loved the aliens on the clone world, they looked like the traditional conspiracy theory alien, but they're done beautifully and are so, well, alien. That's just one example, the whole movie is just rich with marvelous sights and sounds. The action scenes were fine, although some were better than others (see my aforementioned difficulty with ingnoring or rearranging your own internal rules). (MINOR SPOILERS) I loved the storm troopers/clones fighting for the "good guys," although I couldn't help but notice that, wow, they fight FAR better that way. Maybe clones aren't truly bad, so when they get ordered to do evil, there hearts just aren't in it and they can't hit shit. (END SPOILERS) I loved the massive battle scenes, they actually seemed gritty at times. And let the detractors laugh, but Yoda truly does kick ass. I love his keening battle cry, and the blindingly fast style they give him suits him perfectly. MY audience cheered. Even with all my complaints, that was worth the price of admission. One final point. For those who were lashing out at LOTR's Legolas-on-the-troll scene (oh my god, he looked so CG), the Anakin-on-the-grazing-cow-creature scene looked EXACTLY THE SAME! Of course it looks CGI, IT IS! Frickin' morons. Both movies had cutting edge, stunning SFX, but CG still looks CG guys, so stop your bitching and nitpicking with Spiderman, LOTR, etc. That's all for now, folks!

  • May 17, 2002, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Acting!!!

    by WANKYBOLLOCKS

    I can't believe the naysayers are still banging on about bad acting and bad writing. Are you fucking insane? Did you watch the movie or are you just typing that shit because your to stupid to go see it? This has to be the most densley and intelligently plotted films I have ever seen. The dialogue is extremley clever in being economical enough to deliver as much information in as little time as possible. The acting... Just watch Anakins confession and consequent breakdown to Padme. That's the best bit of acting in the entire saga. Also Obi-Wan meeting his old friend Dex was a nice little bit from Ewan, he always moans about the green screen stuff and yet I felt there was a tangible warm friendship between Obi and Dex. AOTC is amazing. I need to see it like five more times to take it all in, and so do you. So let's go buy some tickets and get back to lovin' Star Wars.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:57 a.m. CST

    The Best film of the year

    by EIFF

    I think so. I saw it opening night, crowd loved it, I loved it, and I'm going to see it again and again and again. I did have reservations going in; bad dialogue and crap love story. HOW WRONG COULD I BE. I agree with Harry. He nailed it in this review and he has my eternal respect. ATTACK OF THE CLONES is simply BRILLIANT. Now I'm off to see it again.

  • May 17, 2002, 5:58 a.m. CST

    The dark side clouds everything

    by Sigue Sigue

    All the negative reviews right now are based much more on politics than the truth. Give it time and Attack of the Clones will attain Empire Strikes Back status. Seeing this film was one of the best movie going experiences i've ever had.

  • I liked TPM more than most people, but AOTC blows it away in every department. Like Harry said, Lucas pretty much answered every criticism of TPM in this one. The kiddie jokes are gone (mostly), the characters and story are more interesting, the violence isn

  • May 17, 2002, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Right on, Harry!

    by nverman

    I saw AOTC on the only digital projector in Colorado this afternoon with my eight year-old and three year-old sons. I had to pull them out of school today to do it, and I have not had a shred of remorse for letting them play hooky. My father did the same thing with me when ESB and ROTJ came out and those are cherished memories. Star Wars is about experiences, memories, and popcorn-eating fun, and this movie promoted all three with excitement to spare. My oldest son and I rehashed scenes all day long and I was thrilled that for a few cherished hours, I was a kid again and communicating with my son on the same playful level. We were all pals, and this movie was the causative agent of all this pal-ing around. The movie rocked, and, without going into specifics (to prevent spoilerage of those who have not yet seen this must-see flick), I got goosebumps at certain points in the movie that foreshadowed the events of episodes IV-VI. The effects were jaw-dropping, and the comedy was fun. And I really think the set-up of Palpatine/Sidious is going to be one of the most delicious and memorable facets of the entire series once it is completely revealed in Episode III. I can only recommend for others to drop your baggage and go into this movie without any preconceived notions, so that you can enjoy this movie for the serious fun it is. Me? I will be seeing this at least a few times more...there is way too much eye-candy to be had in one viewing. Thanks Harry, for the great review.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Anakin's breakdown

    by FatherMcGruder

    Actually, Anakin's confession regarding the Tuskan Raiders was a scene I really liked. It was one of those times when the actor's talent managed to shine through. I also loved the background music in that scene; The Dark Side's theme plays oh-so-slowly. Anakin has killed for revenge, now his corruption truly begins. What would have been really cool is if he had come back on the speeder covered in dirt and blood, but hey, it's a movie for kids too, right? This still doesn't change the fact that most of the acting was wooden. Sorry, but it was. Most, not all. But still wooden.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Have you even seen ROTJ?

    by The Equalizer

    Luke and Leia aren't snatched away from Padm

  • May 17, 2002, 6:10 a.m. CST

    That's all fine and good but again Harry, "WHERE THE HELL WA

    by chuckrussel

    'nuff said!

  • May 17, 2002, 6:11 a.m. CST

    I declare AOTC best SW film... ever!!!

    by slav

    Never have I felt a director achieve their most pure ambitious imagination with this film. Lucas has devised a tale so grand it makes the OT anti climatic. I love the gray undertones with no clear black or white. Thank god for the DVD special special editions doue in 2006 to bridge thematically and visually these films together seemlessly. Jango's death was epic. Of course it was gonna be quick! He took on a MASTER jedi!!! Boba's last shot was iconic. He will ass whoop in Ep 3 I loved Obi Wan checking a fallen jedi's pulse. I love the arena entrance, the love theme swells as the camera follows behind Anakin and Padme then swings to the grand stadium. Scope. I FELT their impending doom. Lucas's direction has improved. I love the restrainment of the end lightsaber battle. Sure it could have been a flashy spectacle but we are treated to the Chosen One and a Sith Lord squaring each other off in close up, second guessing what the next chess move will be and then matching it. Delightful. I loved Yodas Uber Maul fighting style. I loved the tusken raider scene. Watching Anakin snap was a classic moment not only in story but presentation. The way the strings just jarred and the cut to the Anakin close up was classic matinee. Oh!!! Yoda, tearing up "I feel pain" as he senses what has happened on Tatooine. The asteroid ring chase most effective without Williams music. Sonic booms would not had the impact they had if a score was highlighting the action. Magic. There were shots were I just sat back in glee and said "Lucasfilm" My mind is in a state of buzz. The puzzle is falling into place. TPM was insignificant but it has allowed the Republic to explode into turmoil from those events that happened. I love this movie and want it on DVD now!!! I want to say so much more but allows must be heard as well...

  • May 17, 2002, 6:14 a.m. CST

    interesting

    by space_opera

    Is it not interesting that Anakin being the prophecy that Yoda speaks about just not the way they probably thought it would be. Anakin has a kid, kills the Jedi and in the end he sacrifices the emperor to save his son and in doing so restores balance to the force, but only after many have died, including Yoda.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Sad to say but,

    by pogo on my own

    I really think Harry may be a whore to certain movie folks that throw him bones from time to time. I think Del Torro could shit in a film can and Harry would call it a masterpiece. How you can overlook issues with script and acting, or suspending beliefe for movies like ATOC and what not and not with other films. I really dont think you can trust a review of this movie by just about anyone who has seen this moive yet, most folks that have seen it now are serious Star Wars geeks. That would be like asking Frat Boys what they thought of the new DMB cd.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Cringed at Anakin's acting

    by Shepdog

    Like many of you, I too was pleasantly surprised by ATOC. My expectations were suitably low so I wasn't disappointed; the exact opposite situation with TPM. However, why can't Lucas and his casting people hire decent actors for the parts of Anakin (ROTJ Anakin not included). I cringed through much of this Anakin's dialogue. Truly painful to experience. Also, the Anakins in TPM and ATOC speak with a valley dude accent but in ROTJ he's got a British accent. Does Darth go to finish school in Knightsbridge at some point in the series? These points aside, I am pleased it turned out as well as it did.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:34 a.m. CST

    it sucked a big time.

    by 2vic

    only the last hour and Jango Fett under the rain saves the movie of being a big SHIT. the love story is the worst I've ever seen on ascreen,Obi-wan is ridiculous,and the CGI are sometimes really FUCKED UP. but YODA rocks!

  • May 17, 2002, 6:35 a.m. CST

    And you people complained about Jake Lloyd

    by Dr.Zeus

    First let me say I've seen all the Star Wars films on the big screen, and I do agree with Harry that this is probably #3 on the list of favorites. It could have been #1 if just one simple thing could have happened. Anakin could've convinced me that he's going to be vader. If GL would've gotten James Earl Jones to do the dialog and manipulated to sound younger. If the Tusken Raider scene that was supposed to be Anakin's most powerful, could've convinced me this was Vader in the making. I didn't get it in body language or voice, and it was almost painfully distracting from the rest of the film. I did enjoy AOTC but this is the only flaw that could've made this film even more enjoyable.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:36 a.m. CST

    I LOVED IT!!

    by laguna_loire

    And I cannot wait to see it again!! Its funny, 'coz I agree with everything you said - Anakin only appears wooden because he cannot express his feelings truely as a Jedi in the prescence of Obi-Wan, and when he does in the gunship near the end when Padme falls (oops!! spoiler!!) Obi-Wan comes-down on him like a ton of bricks. I think those who wanted this film will love it. I'm one of'em, and I adore it to bits!! Thanks George, its good to be 11 again, being a jaded 31-year old its nice to go mad over something!!

  • May 17, 2002, 6:44 a.m. CST

    "I wanted to avoid the news crews, this isn

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    A guy goes to baseball game. He buys a foot-long and a Budweiser, takes his seat and gets ready to enjoy the game. From far away behind him, he hears, "YO, STEVE!" The man gets up to respond, peers into the seats behind him, looking for whoever yelled out the name. Not being able to find the shouter, he sits back down. Ten minutes later, it happens again. "YO, STEVE!" He stands up once again, looking around once more for whoever is calling out. . . to no avail. He resumes sitting. After another fifteen minutes, he hears it again. "YO, STEVE!" The man rises to his feet angrily, turns around and yells back, "Whoever you are, my name's not Steve!" * * * * * * The moral of the story, oh bearded one is, well... no shit it's not about you. The only one who thought it was about you was YOU.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:52 a.m. CST

    'This cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force alone.

    by Silver_Joo

    What an amazing and thrilling movie. I could not stop smiling; this film was so good, and looked so beautiful. Being able to see all of the military hardware that would become the norm in the Galaxy, and that brilliant speech by Palpatine: 'I love democracy.' This IS Star Wars, and Harry is right, if you cannot agree with this movie, did you ever actually enjoy Star Wars? This is the second best after Empire. I shall be off to see it again and again. Thankyou George, you have made me so happy with this movie.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Shade: You said it

    by Vegiterrorist

    Remarkable--you've written almost verbatim the exact complaints I have about the film, and what I feel are its strengths. That scene w/ Natalie in the desert drove me nuts. How hard would it have been to put a guy in a clone trooper suit to go out & meet her? Personally, I think you need to make the clones a little more concrete & "real world" to distinguish them from the cartoony battle droids. At any rate, thanks for saving me the trouble of writing a longer post!

  • May 17, 2002, 7 a.m. CST

    Herculoid...

    by Sigue Sigue

    One great piece of body language i noticed was when anakin arrives back at the the moisture farm from the tusken camp. Check out the way he gets off his bike and walks around it. It's priceless.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:01 a.m. CST

    I dunno why so many people are bitching about Christensen. He w

    by cardinal_phantom

    I thought Natalie Portman was very flat and, for the most part, unconvincing in her delivery. It never appeared that she wanted to transcend the mediocre dialogue. I thought Christensen, on the other hand, was actually pretty damn good. Yeah, some of his deliveries weren't stellar, but that was due largely to the dialogue, and it only occurred during romance sequences. The "angry Anakin" scenes were extraordinary. When Anakin speeds off to find his mother, when he slaughters the Tusken Raiders, when he confesses the massacre to Padme -- all very convincing and prehaps even powerful sequences. As for the other performances, Ewan McGregor continued his excellent Alec Guiness impression, Jimmy Smits looked lost and confused, Christopher Lee was a resoundingly cool villian (though not quite as cool as he was in The Fellowship of the Ring; the earth trembled when he spoke in that film) and the minor characters were decent for a Star Wars films -- even in the original trilogy the line delivery by the bit characters was very poor and monotone. The plot in this movie is actually pretty good. Lucas' troubles in the characterization department continue to keep the film from really soaring, but the elimiation of most of the slap stick and childish elements has resulted in a darker and more satisfying tale than that which The Phantom Menace offered. The effects were hit and miss. The fully rendered images were pretty good, but a lot of the two-dimensional background paintings didn't come across as anything but expensive CG. This was compensated for, however, by the lightsaber duel at the end. The play between light and dark during Anakin and Dooku's fight is brilliant and stunning, and Yoda kicks a lot of ass during his moment in the spotlight. Overall the movie was still flawed, and it had a few really ridiculous parts. (Padme writhing in pain and then just springing up as though nothing had happened -- WTF?) It was, however, very entertaining and something from which fans can find hope for a brilliant Episode III.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:11 a.m. CST

    To hell with them so god will

    by Mullah Knowles

    well harry - after I read all this bland banter of yours about sw:ep2, I must say I hate you. You are the perfect example of the stupid american. maybe there's a reason you are so fat. You are 'full'. Of yourself. I bet you eat your own poodoo or something to feed your big belly. Also, I can now see exactly why there are people who want to destroy this bloated bland country full of stupid people. Osama may be right after all. I sure hope he will send you all to hell with those nukes he's building in his cave as I write this. There is hope for the world, even if it takes to eradicate your whole country. And it's all your fault, fatso.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Clones is worthy of the name Star Wars

    by TallScott

    Without a DOUBT it was one of the best films ive seen all year..Ill be honest Spiderman left me a bit flat...In a Phantom Menece way..Dont get me wrong I loved both films but it did not hit me the way Clones did..This IS Star Wars! Whats up with the critics I wonder..If you search the databases they gave Menece good review then when giving Clones a BAD review they say its better than Phantom menece..what gives!?!? I think they are just kinda trying to be cool..Trolls are in I guess. And I did like Menece..ATTN HARRY!!: Maby now would be a good time to have a Phantom Menece revisited post..Its not a bad film at all IMHO it does have the RTOJ feel to it that may turn of many a die hard Star Wars fan but all and all its Star Wars plain and simple and had many cool things about it..Now where are the trolls i know they will be here soon.....

  • May 17, 2002, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Rocked

    by Clone One

    I was one of the first people in Europe to see this movie, getting a 00:01 screening on the sixteenth. I then saw the movie again at 7 o clock that day, and have tickets to another screening on sunday. In short: this is my favorite Star Wars. Ok, fine, that's not quite true (ESB was amazing) but the scope of this movie outdoes any other Star Wars, and probably any other movie ever released. Bravo, Lucas! He managed to cram so much information in, so much swindling and backstabbing and general legerdemain, that this movie actually made me feel like I was watching the fall of a Republic. There was nothing fake in it, from the politics to the motives to the love story... It all made sense and was completely coherent. Talking about realistic, the cinematography and the CGI was brilliant. There were only a few times when I realised that the world didn't exist; that it was all a big Blue screen. There were no Final Fantasy 'oh that's so fake' moments, even though it had almost the same amount of rendered characters and back drops. Again, bravo Lucas (or should I say ILM?!)! Above all of these attributes, however, my favorite part of the film was the acting. I never thought that anything was over or under acted, the characters were perfectly built. None were complete caracateurs, although Palapatine came close with his very soft but manipulative wording. Anakin and Yoda (Frank Oz) did amazing things. I was genuinely scared and horrified when Anakin went bezerk, and when he was talking to Padme about his hatred ('like animals!'). Yoda had some great touches that made me love his character even more. The 'Obiwan lost a planet' scene was hilarious, his tone was right on key, playful and nurturing. Also, Yoda's character was really exposed when he picked up his walking stick after fighting Dooku. He WANTS to, and is comfortable, appearing humble and not betraying his true strength. Many people laughed during the Dooku fight, because Yoda looked cute when he pulled out his lightsaber... I didn't. There was something so strong there, a massive screen presence, that stopped me. I felt like I was about to see Yoda's true self, a side we're never shown, and I was right. In fact, Yoda wasn' the only character who's nuances really exposed their innerself. From Dex squeezing himself into the booth to Anakin's small stares and smiles, all character's had some small tic, some small sign, of what they were really about. And none of it cluttered the scenes. I recently read a very negative review in The Times (uk) that basically said that the worlds were fake, the dialogue too clunky, and the acting too shit for the film to deserve a high gross and critical acclaim. I disagree completely, but the sheer uneducated negativity of the critique gave me insight into the permantently mixed feelings that Lucas' films receive. The Star Wars universe is a members only club. You have to understand the characters and know the cities and have seen the schematics of a lightsaber to really appreciate the films. If you go in half-prepared, as this critic did, you end up with something that refuses to appeal to you. More on this in later posts, my fingers hurt. Ok, that's my bit. My thumb is really killing me. Clone One Out.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Now

    by godawfull

    Know that you have seen this let me ask you a question. What would you rather see - Christopher Lee with a light saber kicking ass or Christopher Lee beating a gay man with a log in lord of the rings? Just asking

  • May 17, 2002, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Fuck you, Harry. Seriously.

    by Rain_Dog

    I'm glad you liked the movie. Really, I am. It so happens that I was disappointed with it. I enjoyed Moriarty's review, disagreed with much of it, but was able to respect his opinion. You, on the other hand, need to recognise that you are neither all-powerful nor the arbiter of good taste. I'm not going to flame the movie, or anyone who liked it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; it's all about gut reaction. You can say what you like to justify said reaction after the fact, but when it comes right down to it, you either liked it or you didn't. I didn't think it was up to scratch. If you did, your opinion is just as valid as mine, just different. Exactly who the fuck are you to patronise, en masse, anyone who left the theatre after AoTC feeling a little non-plussed? I notice you've once again backtracked on your opinion of Jar Jar. 'Meesa always loved him' my balls; you gave him as much shit as the rest of us after everyone went nuts at you for saying that crap in the first place. Although I will admit that, for me, he carried the most emotional resonance of any character in the entire film. Not a good thing. On a more positive note, Yoda knocked my ass from here to next Tuesday; he was flat-out one of the best things I have ever seen. But if I see Hayden Christensen in the street, I'll kick the motherfucker as hard as I can. And then I'll giggle my motherfuckin' ass off.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:25 a.m. CST

    BEST Star Wars movie I've seen yet...

    by elwen

    Truly amazing, a fun ride... I agree with every single word you wrote Harry.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:39 a.m. CST

    the more I think about it...

    by ARZAK

    the more I appreciate the equator. But seriously folks.... this movie blossoms in my memory like my all time faves seem to do after first viewing. A Flash Gordon serial, Bimbo's Inititation, Ray Harryhausen, Samurai Movies, The Legion Of Doom and everything else I like rolled into one juicy fat candyroll that explodes across the screen. Clones was the STAR WARS cumshot I'd hoped Menace would be. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is all I can really say.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't Owen recognize 3PO in the future?

    by squidman

    And vice-versa ... since we all know Owen buys 3PO in A New Hope, isn't having him hanging around the Lars farm a huge plot hole? Somebody please answer or address this. I could be wrong, or maybe I missed something. It was nice, however, to see some good ol' fashioned blue milk again.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:39 a.m. CST

    "Begun these Clone Wars have."

    by moviemaniac-7

    It's my favorite line from the whole film. It prepares us for the dark and sad Episode III. Damn, I can't wait 'till May 2005!

  • May 17, 2002, 7:41 a.m. CST

    What an appalling piece of trash.

    by The Gline

    Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones is our epitaph. This is the movie that deserves to go on our collective cultural tombstone. If you seek a monument, look no further. I can think of no other movie that more perfectly sums up how atavistic and self-hypnotized we have become. What a soulless, empty, tin-plated spectacle this is; what a morbid waste of human energy and imagination. No, I take that back: Attack of the Clones is borne of many things, but imagination isn't one of them. Greed, maybe. Self-importance, certainly. I consider Ep. 2 (and Ep. 1 before it) to be nothing less that the False Prophet and Antichrist of Filmmaking, soon to be joined, I suspect, by the Satan of Episode III. Watch any movie enough times and of course you're capable of deluding yourself into believing all kinds of silly things about it, but there are some of us who don't have our hip credentials at stake.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:43 a.m. CST

    hmmmm.....

    by Mad Dog

    Shit, man I don't know... A while ago I thought that I was really disapointed in the film but after reading your review you made me remember some of the best parts. But you still have to consider the weaknesses and there was certainly to many to ignore: 1. The whole 'sand' chat up line is abominable 2.Anakin's 'very dodgy' dream sequence (Which had the audience in histerics) soon after stood outside looking flustered and Padme approaches him (I bet this gets reedited and dubbed into a funny extract much like the 'Matrix Fart' video (i.e. "You think thats air your breathing") 3.Whilst were on the subject of unintentionally funny scenes. Padme falls out of a smegging transporter onto the dunes rolls 50 meters then a friggin Storm trooper approaches what should be her broken body and asks her if shes alright only to be answered by an abrupt "Yes" as she gets up and dusts herself off like shes in an episode of the A.Team or something!!!! 4. Obi Wan. Now I gotta admit he was better in this than in Ep1 I liked the scene in Dex's Dinner and one or two lines were nice but I still didn't like his "This is why I hate flying" and "I hate it when he does that" Admittedly not Ewans fault the blame lies on the writer of the dialogue but still, spoilt what could have been the best character. (I liked the whole detective story bit) Well now for the good : 1.Highlight obviously was Yoda, boy that was a surprise. I would have just been happy with an hour of Count Dooku and Yoda beatin on each other. 2.I liked the fact that Obi Wan is made out to be a pretty advanced and respected Jedi and I liked that Mace Windu "This parties over" got to lead some Jedi into battle, That Jedi with the big eyes and tentacle head who smiles at the camera is cool. Also Anakin fighting with Two lightsabers was fun and I liked the idea that he was no match for Dooku yet as he is still just a teenager and not yet strong enough 3.Jango Fett. Hmmmmm. Still not decided Some good some bad, I think the strength of Boba Fett in the original trilogy was because he was mysterious and without emotion. I'm not sure if I wanted to know his backstory as it effects how I experience his character in the original trilogy but then again it wasn't handled so badly, he see's Mace kill his father (which means mace is gonna be handed his ass by Boba in the next episode) and the kid actor was pretty good. But Jango died pretty easily didn't he, that wouldn't have happened to Boba, Boba would have opened up a can of whupass all over Mace. Mace is cool and everything but Boba Fett's an economical and efficient assasin. 4.The Siesmic Charges which Jango let loose in the Asteroid filed, those sound effects were amazing and the graphics to accompany it were great too, also the tracking missile was well done, I really got the feeling that Jango was dangerous in this section. Not honourable but very difficult to catch and a hard challenge for a fully trained Jedi. 5.The scene on Tatooine with Anakins retribution for his mother on the Sand people, was great the best scenes with Anakin definately. Overall, I feel the same with this as Episode 1 I thought there were some great moments but it just didn't feel like Star Wars. And I definately wouldn't put this higher than Jedi and No where near New Hope or Empire but rather on a par with Ep 1. I'm gonna watch it a few more times then I can really begin to put it in context. This is Probably the biggest and most notable difference of opinion I've had with the big Ginner but Hell, good that everyone gets there own pleasure from the films.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Harry - your best review ever

    by Jabbathenutt

    That was some good stuff Harry. I too loved this movie. The quality and enjoyability was what i expected back in 99, but better late then never. Now only 7 months till TTT.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:50 a.m. CST

    @ one with the force......

    by McKenzieFrenzy

    what can i say.....its back........if only i could wipe clean my memory and go back in time to re-visit my attack of the clones experience, midnight last wednesday......the spontaneous chear from the audience at yoda's appearence......the chuckles at the scene where Anakin looks like he's havin a wank under the sheets.....it was perfect......it was starwars.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Godawful.

    by Rain_Dog

    Beating a gay man with a log, buddy. If you have a low opinion of Ian McKellen just because he's homosexual, than you genuinely have no right to be judging the relative merits of anything. To all the sad, childish losers who keep saying abject bullshit like "If you didn't like this movie you are a filthy queer who has no right to live on God's clean earth, and you were never a fan of Star Wars in the first place"; how about you guys grow the fuck up. You loved the film? Great, I envy you. I really, really, wanted to love it as much as I love Empire and New Hope. I wanted the delivery and character interaction to transcend the sub-par dialogue. For me, it didn't. If it did for you, more power to you. There was stuff I thought was great. A lot of stuff, in fact. But the bad outweighed the good. Simple as that. If that offends you, and if there is no room in your small-minded little world for opinions that don't precisely mirror yours, then I no longer envy you. I truly pity you.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Harry's in denial!!

    by Demo

    What a crock of shit Harry. AOTC is a big gleaming, shiny turd and you know it. There is nothing more pathetic than a fanboy who whines that if someone doesn't like the piece of crap that they so desperately feel they have to love, then they feel sorry for them. Well Harry, you hyped that piece of shit that was TPM, and now you're polishing the turd that is AOTC. You have no credibility when it comes to Star Wars, your pathetic fanboy loyalty has blinded you to seeing the souless schlockfest that is AOTC. Look into your heart Harry, you know this banal snoozefest is only a tenth of the magnificence that is ESB, you know it. Just admit to yourself, let go, and move on. otherwise you going to have as much egg on your face as you did after TPC. The critics are ripping shit out of this movie, go on rotten-tomatoes if you don't believe me, survey the wreckage that is Star Wars legacy after George Lucas's latest attempt to smash it. You can lick this turd all you want Harry, but its still gonna taste like shit for all time.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Ep. III

    by Freakshow Lee

    The best part of Ep. II was that feeling you get watching things fall into place in the whole scheme of things...like seeing a puzzle piece that fits exactly where you need it to. For Lucas, the hardest thing about Ep. III will be answering each one of those questions imposed by itself, and that will be what makes Ep. III THE BEST of the entire series. Unless, of course, Yoda does some more assbeating. That'll seal the deal. I can't wait...

  • May 17, 2002, 7:54 a.m. CST

    AOTC easily the wost of the series

    by damo26

    I cannot believe the bull-shit being said about this film. Harry, I wanted to like this film as much as you, I really did. I'm not a Wars obsessive, but I thought the OT had a worthwhile message and conveyed it well . But in all honesty, this film was an embarassment from start to finish. Not just from the obvious short-comings (acting) but in the effects. Cgi might work fine for ships, buildings and backgrounds, but for the first time ever in my life I had to physically look away from the screen when yoda was on. It hurt."How embarassing, how embarassing" indeed. Cartoon fake. And I know that he looked equally shit in TPM, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY NEVER MADE THE EFFORT If you look at Empire closely, you'll see that 50% of the yoda shots have an air of realism - after all, light reflects normally even off a puppet. Compare that to about 3% of shots in AOTC ( The shot in Trailer One that seemed to promise so much, and a couple of shots on his pod.) Fine ,use cg for his green ninja routine by all means, but not on ALL the close-ups. Come to think of it, even the commonly held belief that his much vaunted duel is the new highlight of the whole Wars saga seems to have been something of a ....well,lie.I never saw yoda "kick ass/dust serious butt etc.. etc..." because it was never the yoda I knew in the first place. This film exhibits the single greatest show-case for the limitations of cgi that I have ever seen . They even tried to experiment on prematurely aging Ben outside the night club (so authentic, I noticed it happen.) He actually starts sprouting extra digital greyness and facial shrivelling during his "this weapon is your life" speech. Even the arena beasts, which should have been an easy slam dunk for ILM, showed none of the skill or realism of the original JP'S T-rex - a franchise which itself has now sadly gone the way of cheap cgi in the quantity vs. quality trade-off. Cgi is regressing. But forget that for the moment: AOTC also suffers from a new horror that even relegates it beneath TPM ( which,incidentally DID at least have a better duel, regardless what shite is said about yoda's ass-kicking...butt-dusting..etc...etc..etc) and that is it's EDITING. Lucas does not let a single scene play out fully before cutting : He's buried his mother ? Great,let's go. I love you Padme, I lov.... oh fuck, there's Obi-Wan talking convolutedly into his cgi enhanced beard. I know these films have to move quickly but this was ridiculous. I think Hayden and Nat are nice people , reasonable actors, and tried their best but christ.... Lucas let them down so badly. If I was Hayden I'd be so pissed off thet my potential moment of glory had been so bitterly and thoroughly diluted . It hurt ME, God knows how he feels. He had some powerful, emotional scenes but every time George comes close to a Tatooine/sun moment, he has to screw it side- ways with a digital Tusken puppy or a few shitty insect people. Moments of high drama made people titter .... was that a nightmare about his mother or was he playing with himself . OH SHIT, HE'S GOT A ROBOT HAND !!! They were presented with such lack of awareness as to render them risible. As this film was. As risible as cloners with voices like toffs, and cafeterias with jordy-accented aliens . But then you'd have to be British to feel the full horror of that.Even our very own Mr.Lee looked totally bored reprising a role he'd played better in a certain other film about jewellery . George: stop the rot before it's too late. Make the series credible again . And remember: sometimes a character's origins are more believable when they don't have a cartoon flying wart-hog as a slave-keeper Damo, Kent, England

  • May 17, 2002, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Urgent meessage to Phantom Editor: You've got work to do!!!!

    by chicagojones

    Jesus Fucking Christ - has Harry gone completely mad?? I've just seen this piece of low-grade videogame nonsense masquerading as a Star Wars film. Fuck, I should've know better after TPM........But AOTC can be saved! HELP US PHANTOM EDITOR - you're our only hope!! Okay, here's a list of what I'd like you to do (this is only a suggestion and I'm sure you have ideas yourself): cut out ALL the video wargame bits. They look terrible and have been done far better in actual videogames. And cut out the Fifth Element section - it's just embarrassing. You can leave in the Blade Runner bit when they're in the nightclub, 'cause that reminds me how good Blade Runner is. Also: cut the whole Gladiator scene - it's badly choreographed and was done better in Gladiator. Oh, and cut the bit when the jedi fight in the Arena - it's a total mess and looks ridiculous. Just leave in the decapitation of Jango 'cause thet's cool. And cut out the romance bit while you're at it 'cause it's unconvincing and slows the movie down. And cut out the Mario Brothers bit where they're platform-hopping: it's annoying watching a videogame that you can't play. And Leave in the lightsaber showdown with OB1, Anakin, Dooku and Yoda. Because this is the only bit that recaptures the magic and coolness of the old trilogy. Thank you, Phantom Editor.

  • May 17, 2002, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Somehow I doubt Boba will kill Mace Windu . . .

    by Rain_Dog

    seeing as Episode 3 is set two or three years after Episode 2. I just don't see a Master Jedi "getting his ass handed to him" by a nine year old. Finally, the Jedi with the tentacle/dreadlock things needs to be given his own series. In fact, he should have played Anakin. Finally finally, in the pitched battle in the arena, I saw only one Jedi use the force on only one droid. Why the fuck was that? They should have been able to clear that place in seconds.

  • May 17, 2002, 8:02 a.m. CST

    You wanna know what happens in the last movie ?

    by Nonkel Bob

    2 Points in Return of the Jedi : Leia remembers her mother, so she can't die in child labor or something. And Vader kills the emperor as he sees him killing Luke. It's clear that Palpatine will murder Padme with that electrical thing before the very eyes of Annakin/Vader

  • May 17, 2002, 8:11 a.m. CST

    complaints

    by cheezman20

    with all the complains about the acting I would like to know which part of the original trilogy had good acting? what did you like about them that these ones don't have. eh? Star Wars is Pop Culture. Yes Pop Culture is the same term used for Britney Spears, N'Sync, Survivor, South Park, Simpsons, and everything else that sucks.

  • May 17, 2002, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Hayden and DPL

    by Fuckles

    I liked Christensen. Think about it folks. He is no worse than Hamill was. Actually the scenes where he is whining like a Sally made me crack up (in a fun way) and reminded me of Luke's little bitch rants in "A New Hope." I was sold on the scene with his mother and bought the whole love story. Yeah, I liked it as much as "Empire." "AOTC" had a sense of adventure in the vein of Errol Flynn that has been missing for a while. And unlike many of you, "AOTC" was so good that I hate "TPM" that much more. In retrospect, nothing from "TPM" resonates more deeply in light of "AOTC" except that I now realize how off the mark it was. I was an "AOTC" doubting Thomas all the way in the theater and found myself surprised by every minute. As for the DPL presentation, I found that wide shots with deep focus had heavily pixelated backgrounds. Notice the two shot of Amidala and Anakin (her screen left, him screen right) during the whole "love is forbidden for a Jedi" while they have a drink scene. The shot is wide, deep focus, and in between them in the background is some gray netting. It's extremely pixelated as were the credits. Because of this I noticed that a lot of scenes were shot with tight lenses (not referring to shots that were zoomed in digtally) which, if I remember correctly, has never been a major part of the Star Wars visual language. Shots that I believed Lucas normally would have covered with a wide master were still covered from one angle but with plenty of panning and tight foreground focus. Was this a conscience decision to limit the amount of background pixelization or am I way off? Correct me if I am wrong but did anyone else notice a few whip-pans in AOTC? I was beginning to wonder if Lucas took a few sick days and PTA covered for him. Looked very cool, though. Again, this look could have been conscience decision out of camera tests, as a result of their lens package, or maybe the projection technology is not as advanced as the camera technology. I don't claim to be an expert but I think the only way to judge the quality of Lucas' picture on "AOTC" will be viewing it on DVD in progressive scan. Still though, I don't know how it looked on the 35mm screenings (I'll find out tomorrow), but the integration of human actors and CGI looked great in DPL, a claim that "TPM" can't make, no matter what its viewing format is. Well, enough of this, I have to get back to being a barfly ("Another Scotch and Soda for the missis and a Three Wisemen, two Lemon Drops, and a pint of Bellhaven for me, bartender"). Overall, I was enthusiastically entertained and deeply moved by this entry into the saga. I sat there dumbfounded. I couldn't believe how good it was and was hanging in suspense just waiting for Lucas to fuck it up. He didn't. He delivered. It was beautiful!

  • May 17, 2002, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Is it just me or......

    by CarrieM

    Did anyone else clock the look of regret on Dooku's face when he cut off Anakins arm? Perhaps setting up something for ep III? Anyway, generally I liked it. It was miles better than TPM, but still not quite with the original trilogy. The one thing that really irritated me was R2 flying, just from a consistency point of view. I really just wish it could have been a slightly higher rating so that stuff like the Jango/Obi fight could have been better, and we could have seen more of Anakins revenge spree. Bring on Episode III!!!

  • May 17, 2002, 8:20 a.m. CST

    everyone is a critic

    by Frank Black

    It is too bad that we have reached a point where everyone is a film expert and has to analysis every detail and compare the film to every other film ever made. I saw AOTC yesterday in Times Square, NYC with a fantastic, enthusiastic crowd who appreciated the fact that after all of these years since the original SW movies, we were getting another one. AOTC is thankfully, wildly different from the other SW movies in many ways. I had no expectations and no preconceived notions of "how it should be," like so many negative talkbackers. I have stopped looking at these movies individually, because it is one story with many parts; it is a saturday morning serial, it is a comic book, and it is good teenage fun, (even if we are all getting older.) George Lucas was a pioneer with the first films and he continues to do it. The movie looked beautiful, moved well, had adventure and continued to move towards the doom we all know is coming. There is no convincing AOTC haters to like it, because the truth is, their days of truly being able to enjoy ANY SW movie is impossible, and they should just enjoy doing whatever they do in their adult life. Not one poster here could make a better movie than AOTC, so who are any of you to judge? I know I couldn't, and I am a filmmaker. All of you who are spewing hate at Harry, shame on you. This is a happy time for him, and I have never related or agreed with him more. Lighten up and enjoy or avoid it. For those of us who enjoyed it...aint it cool?

  • May 17, 2002, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Amidala doesn't die in childbirth

    by molloch

    Harry, loved your review, loved the movie. My third favorite too. One of your questions was "How are the children (Luke and Leia) taken from Padme? Voluntarily? Dies during childbirth? What?" Well she can't die during childbirth because in ROTJ Luke asks Leia if she remembers her/their mother and she replies yes but only little bits because she dies when she was very young. So at least that's one question answered. THe movie raised so many questions for me too and when I saw it for the second time the next day I understood alot more. Words don't fully express how I'm feeling and my thoughts are flying way too fast. I'm like you though I love both ANH and TESB but often can't decide. Generally it's because some days I feel that the first Star Wars film set it all off so I should love that but Empire was so good. AOTC was fantastic.

  • May 17, 2002, 6:15 p.m. CST

    no sh*t this wasn't annie hall...

    by Suede

    oh, so the dialogue between padme and anakin are really the clumsy exchanges of two kids unversed in love. thanks for clearing that up for me, harry. i suppose that makes the middle hour of attack of the clones not so unbeareable to sit through. the way i was taught, the overuse of cliche (ie: two young lovers rolling around in grassy field) and hocinge-inducing rendous dialogue (anakin: i don't like the sand. it's hard and coarse. not like you.) are bad things. but i guess that's why george lucas is a genius. him and michael bay.

  • May 17, 2002, 9:41 p.m. CST

    WAY better than TPM! spoilers!

    by ewem

    But that's not saying much. Pros: This actually has a plot and is exciting, unlike TPM! Music, special effects are amazing. Some cool Star Wars moment that start connecting this with the stuff we know so well. Death Star, certain house and people on Tatooine, etc. Wow. I loved the Fett stuff and all the political stuff. Palpatine, Dooku, the Jedi, Fett, the aliens...all of that rocked. CONS: I don't buy Shmi being left behind in the first place in TPM. I thought that was BS and I thought the way her death was handled here was way too convenient. Very cheap plot device. I don't buy this "Jedi celibacy" thing either. Since when? I was on Anakin's side: I didn't see why the two of them couldn't get together. The dialogue and those love scenes were written by a 7th grader. Please. Those little vignettes kept cutting in at the most inoppurtune times. There's that one where they are frolicking on the hills. I swear, I thought Amidala was going to break out a guitar and start singing, "The hills are alive, with the Sound of Music." I understand that these are supposed to be "pure people." I bet the dialogue wouldn't have bothered me if the lines were being delivered by people who could actually act. Natalie and Hayden. These two couldn't act their way out of a paper bag. I view both of them as I did Sofia Coppola in Godfather 3, with all the consequences and implications thereof. She's in these as eye candy, as this movie made very obvious. All that was missing was for Anakin to use the force to get her top wet so we could get some wet T-Shirt action. I have seen rocks emote more than she does. You know who Hayden reminds me of? "Dude, you're gettin' a Dell." I swear, it's the Dell guy! Hamill looks like an Oscar contender compared to these two any day of the week. So do the Ewoks.

  • May 17, 2002, 10:52 p.m. CST

    WOW, WOW, and WOW!!! At least we have LOTR 2 and 3 to tide us o

    by Atticus Finch

    AOTC was friggin' awesome! I'm so happy all the naysayers are eating crow right now. It is funny to see at Entertainment weekly how their "reviewer" gave the movie a C+, but the people who have seen it have graded it out at an A. Star Wars is back, baby!!!

  • May 17, 2002, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I can't believe I am saying this...

    by Andy Andy

    But if you this this movie sucks, you aren't a fan of Star Wars and what it is about. What an obnoxious thing for me to say.. but it's true. This movie was absolutely wonderful, bordering on brilliant. The ONLY problem I have with it is the somewhat stale dialog during the romance scenes, but I understand why it was done like that. Harry, this is the best review you have ever done, and I couldn't agree with you more. I too saw it at the Metropolitan (I live way on the other side of Austin, it was well worth the trip). Those sonic booms were AMAZING in that theater.

  • May 17, 2002, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Liked many parts very much...

    by viola123

    Wonderful review. I need to watch it again this weekend. Had a few questions. Was, I am sorry to admit, a little confused about the plot, but after reading more about it, getting clarification, it is a very lovely plot. One w/ implications beyond Anakin, but certainly very much affecting his future, the Jedis, Padme, the Republic. LOL, I loved it when Yoda was teasing Obi-wan. I so loved Ewan in this movie. He was great, only I was still left wanting to see him more. Thought Hayden was great as Anakin and I cry at everything, but for real, when Anakin was telling Padme about how his mother died and how he killed the raiders, all of them, my eyes welled up. He was excellent in this scene, tears streaming down his face. I loved lots of parts, but action isn't my favorite thing in the world so the ending was kinda not the best part of the movie for me. However, I love lightsaber duels, and so that part of the ending was glorious -- first Obi-Wan, then Hayden (loved the blue and red swinging back and forth!), and then Master Yoda. At any rate, I can't wait to see it once more this weekend. Must see it! LOL. I can't wait to get this on DVD because there are parts that must be watched over and over, studied and discussed. Thanks!

  • May 17, 2002, 10:57 p.m. CST

    It sucked, Lucas has lost it, the film was sloppy at best

    by HerbChambers

    I mean, come on, what are you people watching on-screen? This guy can no longer film a suspenseful sequence that does not involve numerous special effects-- everyone at ILM saves Lucas' ass with some good eye-candy here and there. The story was sloppily thrown together-- just a few things to point out-- 1) OWEN LARS doesn't remember in EPISODE IV that he already owned C-3PO for a period up to ten years? C-3PO doesn't remember OWEN or TATOOINE? 2) Vader NEVER suspects his child, Luke, is "hidden" from him with his step-brother on TATOOINE? 3) Vader decides just to send a team down to his former home, TATOOINE, and has no reaction when they end up killing his STEP-BROTHER and wife? But the biggest blunder of all, the most inane thing Lucas has done in the past 3 YEARS is elevate BOBA FETT to some mythical status. Watch EMPIRE and JEDI again-- Boba is a cool character, but he's NOT THAT IMPORTANT. However, judging by ATTACK OF THE CLONES, Fett's father, and clone, is the main force behind the Empire and the downfall of the Jedi. And that last shot of Boba with his father's mask? WOW! Makes you wonder what he's going to do next... freeze Han Solo in Carbonite! Now that's revenge! Pathetic. Lucas needs to stop making movies. And he better sure as hell release the original trilogy, no special edition BS, on DVD. He is a sloppy storyteller that has spent 20 years believing his own hype so whatever he shits out he thinks is gold. Future filmmakers, pay attention to Lucas and learn what NOT to do.

  • May 17, 2002, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Completely Unwatchable.

    by Frijito Bandito

    Looking back now, I've gotta admit that, even though Episode I was a real crappy movie, I really enjoyed watching it the first two times I saw it. I mean, there are good sci-fi and adventure movies that you can watch a million times and love every time, and then there are bad sci-fi and adventure movies, usually starring Arnold Schwartzenager, the are just a kick in the ass the first time you see them - the special effects and action are enough to carry you through the initial run and make it worth your while. That's how I felt about Episode I and is all I really expected from Episode II. I expected to tell you it's pretty bad but you gotta see it at least once. And I'm here to tell you, I was surprised. . . . I found it completely unwatchable the first time. It's like a REALLY expensive episode of Mystery Science Theatre 3000. I mean, this kid with the whining, oh my God and the complaining and the carrying on with his psuedo-Victorian pronouncements of love and the incredible coincidences that just keep piling on. Does George Lucas think incredible coincidence is synonomous with a cohesive story line? It's a big universe. Why does everyone have to be related? And the whole thing with Anikin being a hero. It occured to me half-way through that it was like watching an apologist's rendition of the life of Hitler and Dillon Kleabold has been cast to play the protagonist. "Life is so unfair!" And Hayden Christensen conveys his character's dark side not as if it was an integral character trait, but as some sort of Jekyl and Hyde demon that has possessed him and threatens to jump out in every scene. And you can throw on as many special effects as you want, a rip off is still a rip off. Lucas has lifted entire scenes directly from Blade Runner, Gladiator, The Searchers, and Empire Strikes Back (strangly enough).

  • May 18, 2002, 12:10 a.m. CST

    YOu people are on crack. That film ROCKED!

    by Reverendz

    I was at the 12:01 showing one seat away from Harry and I have to say, this show ROCKs! I've seen it 3 times since and it is now my first or second favorite star wars film. I can't decide which. Anyone who doesn't like this film: eat it. You would have nitpicked Empire to death. Of course the film had flaws, ALL films could have been done differently. But this film was so vastly entertaining, so kick ass. So cool. It was like living in another galaxy far, far away if only for a couple of hours. Naysayers be damned, this one is the goods!

  • May 18, 2002, 12:27 a.m. CST

    this movie was the aborted fetus of

    by bumetalman

    the cross mating of a silicon graphics computer, a bad episode of dawson's creek, gladiator, blade runner and Mimic(those flying bug things on Geonosis). I loved the original trilogy(the non fucked with ones) I even enjoy phantom menace for the fact that Arrogant obi wasn is fun, Qui Gon is the man and the darth maul battle and rapid fire cutting of the final sequence is snazzy. the podrace is a little long but rather cool. Sick of Jar Jar,. but enjoyed him the first two times i saw the film. Continuity has flown out the window and if I was Padme, I would have jumped as far the fuck away form Anakin after he told me how he butchered the Tuskens. Is episode three going to be sleeping with the enemy in space? I just dont get it anymore. Episode 3 is going to have to fire on all fucking cylinders to bring some sort of meaningful first act conclusion about. Here is to hoping.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:28 a.m. CST

    disappointing on so many levels

    by manhattom

    too long, dialogue was some of the worst i've seen in a long time, cgi got tedious. i will not go to see this a second time. my friends and i actually ended up riffing through most of it.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:32 a.m. CST

    You might be on crack if...

    by Pageiv

    You might be on crack if you say this movie sucks. You might be on crack if you say digital theaters suck. You might be on crack if you say the FX sucked. I saw it in one of Michigans two digital theaters in Birch Run and was blown away, I am still sporting wood. And it was the second time I saw it. Every thing in this movie ruled. Anakin was cocky and creepy. He needed to be no more. He was a good stalker.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:36 a.m. CST

    What a Waste

    by yoda04

    What a disappointing film. Clueless George should fire himself. The script was 7th grade level at best. The acting was forced. And Christensen acted as well as a crash dummy. What a waste of a relatively decent plot and the great talents in Jackson, MacGregor and Portman. Lucas is ruining this franchise. He should pull his ego out of his ass and hire a screenwriter AND a director for #3.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:43 a.m. CST

    next one

    by alcester

    The next film should be a retro-STAR WARS film. Special Effects done the old fashion way, less is more! and get a big time director like James Cameron to direct and get some meaningful performances out of the actors, these films are so lifeless, there wasnt one interesting character.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Jesus Harry, would you give it a rest!! (now hear me speak)

    by TheGinger Twit

    The fact that you can't even figure out if Padme' dies in childbirth insults the very idea that you are a Star Wars fan. Leia remembers her mother to be beautiful. If you ask me, Leia goes to Alderan with her mother and Bail Organia - hence the Leia Organia, so something must happen to Naboo - possible Star destroyers and the likes. But all this is beside the point. Don't compare star Wars to James Bond! Just don't ok. You're losing it old chum, just cut it out. And retelling the whole story like we out here in the real would are all some kinds of stupid really make sme feel like uploading virus's. And as for the Digital Photography... you can have your film maker pals tell you how good it is and how bad film now is... well let me tell you, I found the whole digital look very distracting. It looked exactly like what it was... digital video blown up to film. I'm personally quite shocked and outraged that Lucus has poisoned this fantastic film with such cheap arsed film making techniques. I'm an independent short film maker, I shoot on Digital - not George Lucas, and certainly not Star Wars. Of all the bad choices on this film, this is the one that will stand out in the future of cinema as one of the worst mistakes. Mark my words, Lucus will shoot Indy 4 and Episode 3 on film... Wanna know a secret? Lucas actually did reshoot some scenes on Film!! So fucking THERE!! As for how Obe1 fights with Anikin... I bet my lefty that Obe1 does it in a fit of rage!! "I was once a jedi like your father!"

  • May 18, 2002, 12:47 a.m. CST

    an experience without emotion

    by The_Black_Hair

    Somehow, I enjoyed TPM somewhat when I saw it a few years ago. I guess it was the giddy thrill of seeing a new Star Wars movie after all those years, coupled with the fact that I knew it was the beginning of the story and that it would only get better with the next installments (and Darth Maul kicked ass). It obviously had a lot of flaws, but I thought it was better than RoTJ. By the third time I saw it, the flaws began to overpower the things I may have enjoyed. It really was a pretty bad movie, but I still thought it was impossible that the next installments wouldn't be a vast improvement. Well, I suppose I was right... there are many improvements in AOTC... but they are all shallow. I watched almost the entire movie without a single emotional reaction. The pieces were there... I thought the plot device with Anakin's mother was on target... but the execution was off... I simply didn't care. When Anakin, Amidala, and Obi-Wan were to be exucuted by the monsters, I didn't care. The action scenes were all pretty well done on a technichal basis, and the special effects were outstanding. But I didn't care how any of those scenes ended up. I didn't even get a rush when Sam Jackson whipped out his lightsaber. The only part that got me a little giddy, was of course, Yoda's fight with Dooku. When he whipped out his lightsaber, I was thought, hell-yeah, I'm getting excited finally! It was pretty damn cool, all 15 seconds of it. Then it was over. It was like a bad ejaculation. When the end credits rolled, the theater dropped the curtains and abruptly stopped the credits. I should have been outraged. I should have gotten the attention of the manager and demanded my money back, and broken his incompetant nose if he refused. For almost any other movie, good or bad, I would have been sent into a fury by this lack of respect-- no-- contempt for the filmmakers who put the film together. But, while I was still a little peeved, for the most part, I didn't care. I honestly can't remember the last time I felt such a lack of emotion at a movie, even if I didn't like it. Spider-man's action scenes couldn't hold a candle up to AOTC's scenes, but I liked the characters. I cared. I don't know... maybe it was the mood I was in. BTW, if anyone at Lucasfilm is reading this, the theater that cut off your credits was the Colorado Cinemas at Arapahoe Crossing, in Aurora, CO. If any of you fans are as pissed off about that as I normally would have been, feel free to contact Lucasfilm. I know how anal they can be about the presentation.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:50 a.m. CST

    by Sigue Sigue

    General Custer: Oh shit, i've been poisoned!--------- SW fans: Crap! Here, drink this antidote.--------- General Custer: Fuck you and your antidote, i've been poisoned!---------- SW fans: Huh?---------- General Custer: NOBODY DRINK THE ANTIDOTE!! WE'VE BEEN POISONED!!

  • May 18, 2002, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Leia remembers her mother

    by Merkin Muffley

    But not her twin brother because they weren't raised together. Leia, most likely, isn't raised by Padame at all, but another decoy. So that happened. Didn't like the movie at all. Lost me at Al's diner. I'm a very easy audience, too, believe me. It wasn't a complicated story, it just wasn't a terribly compelling one. What, exactly are the implications of the empire taking over, anyway? (Pretend for a moment you've never seen the original trilogy, seeing PTM and AOTC first. You would have no idea what the fucking big deal is about ANY OF THIS. Which makes it an incredible cheat.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:52 a.m. CST

    by E.E.Smith

  • May 18, 2002, 12:54 a.m. CST

    I agree...mostly

    by shadowbox

    I realy enjoyed AOTC. I think I agree with Harry and place it at number 3 after ANH and TESB. Although the end of ROTJ was great. Anyway, the only thing that gets to me now is that it would have been so easy to make this movie even better. And a little more critic proof. It's easy for me to say as a Monday morning critic, but I am surprised that Rick McCallum or Ben Burtt or other friends of Lucas didn't suggest the following (not in order): 1) When Anakin and Padme kiss the first time it should not have been as comical. They should have let the music build, and let the kiss last a little longer. She could have still pulled away and regretted kissing him. But we shouldn't be laughing at that point. It felt like a parody of a love scene. And AOTC could have used more great original musical moments like ANH's Luke/Binary sunset scene. This should have been a signature Star Wars moment, and it easily could have been. 2) If C3POs scenes at the end were as written in the script it would have been better. The "this is a drag" and the "beside myself" lines were terrible. 3) There were several scenes where it was just two people sitting and talking. They could have been doing stuff while they were talking. For example: Why not have Padme and Anakin riding some sort of Naboo horse-like creature as they were talking instead of sitting in a field pulling flowers? When Padme tells Anakin she loves him, they could have been being wheeled out to the center of the ring. They would be oblivious to the crowd. Only seeing each other. There kiss would have been in front of the whole crowd. Obi would have seen it, could have been a great moment. 4) The scene in the archives and the children training class should have been condensed into one scene. (Especially since they cut out the explanation of COunt Dooku, which was the main reason for the archive scene.) There are several other minor things like this. And they are very minor. But it would have made the film better. Actually if you read the script, almost all of my previous points are addressed.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:57 a.m. CST

    It sucked until.........

    by Chow Yun-Fat II

    the badass Yoda versus Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus battle. Holy shit, Yoda was moving like a hyper Jet Li. The boring hours before the battle was actually worth it. Yoda, you are a fucking GOD!!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 12:57 a.m. CST

    great.. not so great... and downright awful.. but very very amib

    by waynesworld

    there's amazing stuff in this movie.. and it took a king lord geek like harry to point it all out.. he's absolutely right on the mark... and he absolutely misses the mark.. almost at the same time.. that's the reward/disappointment of george lucas as a filmmaker.. the geek in me loved this movie.. the star wars fan in me loved this movie.. the objective filmgoer in me sadly realized how flat most (not all) of the film was... wooden.. stiff.. almost as if it was developed by committee (which, unfortunately.. it was... lucas has become an ivory tower filmmaker with lots of errand boys running around filling the gaps.. inventing cool stuff to bring up to him for his approval and hopeful inclusion.. a collection of yes-men who undoubtedly suck up to him)... but... and this is a big but.. this movie has so much content.. so much action.. so much detail.. that you don't have to linger on what you don't like.. because.. if you're looking for it.. there's lots and lots of good stuff to love... all in all, i was very relieved (and just a bit disappointed -- hey, when a midnight show crowd of star wars geeks groan out loud at some of the horrific dialogue and forced acting in the anakin/amidala scenes you know you've got trouble) that this new trilogy has kicked it into a much much higher gear.. for me.. this is the most intricately plotted movie of the whole bunch.. and it sets the stage for a great, exciting, and dark (very dark) episode iii... all in all.. well done george.. (if you could only convince lawrence kasdan to come back for the next one.. then i'd really, really, really be happy)

  • May 18, 2002, 1 a.m. CST

    Episode II

    by E.E.Smith

    I've seen Episode II four times now, and it gets better each time. Empire used to be my favorite movie, Attack of the clones is now my favorite of the series. I love the setup it does for the rest of what's to come. It answered alot of questions, but also posed alot more. Empire did'nt do that, you had no idea where it was headed, which was the best part of that movie. Every showing I've seen of Attack of The Clones has been sold out. Every audience that I've seen it with have loved it. That feeling of when I first saw Star Wars is back!!! BRING ON EPISODE III!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 1:02 a.m. CST

    The Emperor has no clothes!!!

    by Big Rube

    Not one moment of one scene worked in this movie. I point my finger primarily at the poor script and woeful editing. I saw the 12:06 show and was really excited to be there. My expectations were not terribly high, though I did expect a film better than The Phantom Menace (I read a few of the reviews posted on this site, as well as the article in TIME magazine). I enjoy movies of every stripe, but Star Wars films are my favorites. The original was the film that started my lifelong love affair with movies. I love each of the first three films. Empire Strikes Back is my favorite. I even enjoyed the last film despite its flaws. I have to saw, and VERY LOUDLY, that Attack of the Clones lacks any sense of verve or joy. There was not one moment that crackled with excitement, and so many that brought nervous titters from the audience. There was widespread booing at the end of the film (from the packed theatre of die hard midnight showing fans). I am astonished that anyone could think this piece of dreck was better than The Phantom Menace. Two hours into the movie I was still waiting for it to start. Not one action scene had any sense of pacing. Lucas even made Jedi knights look like a bunch of wimps and the grand master himself seem like an irritating little bumble bee (albeit a green one).

  • May 18, 2002, 1:04 a.m. CST

    star wars movies

    by fun guy

    hey i still haven't seen it. I'm boycotting because that last one was gay. I'll see it later for free and then they won't get any of my money!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Orion's Angel, I bow down to your superior judgment . . .

    by Rain_Dog

    And would like to issue a formal apology for going into the film expecting things like a compelling plot, fully-sketched characters, well-written dialogue, and special effects that didn't look like they could have been part of a PS2 game.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:08 a.m. CST

    It's already free

    by Pageiv

    AOTC is already online, I of cource wouldnt know that, but a friend of a friend, yea thats it downloaded it using winmx. Best line in the movie: "My legs do not work, I must need maintenance."

  • May 18, 2002, 1:09 a.m. CST

    The Empirial March was bone chilling!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by JP3183

    The Empirial March was revived in AOTC. I gotta say, when I heard it in a very low but recognizable tone, it send electric shocks up my spine. If I'm not mistaken, it was first heard when Yoda sensed Anakin's pain and anger. And it was then replayed when Anakin confessed his crime to Padme. This is the turning point of his character and it was greatly felt with the help of John William's music.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Once again, aimed at Orions Angel . . .

    by Rain_Dog

    Your arguments for the film are certainly compelling, I'll give you that. "Anakin? He was great! Padme? She was great! The special effects? They were great! (insert quote from review by someone actually able to rationalise their own opinions)! If you criticise anything about this movie, you're wrong! It's not bad acting, it's a different style of acting, where the actors are so good at acting that they can make you think they can't act!"

  • May 18, 2002, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Read this, Harry (Spoilers)

    by BrianT

    There were many things about this movie that were interesting. Mostly, the visuals. However, as many have pointed out, this film (and TPM) just don't feel like Star Wars, at least not to me. The original trilogy had some sort of magical feel that these just don't have. Maybe the technology is to blame. As someone mentioned in a review I read, the Brits in this movie tend to be good in their roles, while the Americans are not, and it has to do with the general way in which the two cultures of actors are respectively trained in acting. For the Americans, it seems hard for them to get "into" their characters (as Americans are wont to do), and for that I blame CGI and Lucas. Part of the reason that Hamill, Fisher and Ford were so good in the OT is that all the stuff they were acting against was ACTUALLY THERE! Much easier for an actor to get into the scene that way. Now, it's not impossible for actors to do well with nothing there. Stage actors do it all the time. It just requires experience and LOTS of rehearsal ahead of time. The Brits have experience; I seriously doubt Lucas rehearsed the Americans much before shooting. I don't know; most of these actors just don't feel like they care about the movie. Portman, I'm looking in your direction most on this one. Alright, enough with the acting, Harry. Lucas is a visionary, but not when it comes to plotting and scripting. People in this Talkback have already mentioned some of this, but it bears repeating: 1.) It was MONUMENTALLY stupid for Anakin to build 3PO, and for 3PO to end up at Lars' farm. Why doesn't 3PO later recognize the homestead, or Owen (or Beru) recognize him? I mean, 3PO even tells Owen his name in Ep. IV! That's just sloppy, George. Not everyone in the Star Wars universe has to be related. 2.) Why exactly DOES Dooku offer up Anakin to be executes? I'm pretty sure that would piss off Sidious right quick, which is not a healthy thing to do. 3.) I'm sorry, but it's just out of character for Yoda to take so much apparent joy in leading the Clone army. He's certainly having fun with it. Remember, "Wars not make one great!" 4.) Harry, this love story just doesn't work that well. Anakin sounds like a stalker for most of it, which is I suppose understandable (with him having no experience with girls). However, Padme is a mature woman, educated and worldy. It is unforgivable for her to here him confess how he just slaughtered a tribe of people, and not react in ANY negative way! She falls for a stalkerish, immature murderer? Maybe for a teenager, but not a mature, intelligent woman. It just doesn't sit right, and you know it, Harry. 5.) Everything 3PO says in this film should be excised. In the OT, he was uppity and annoying, but annoying to Han, not us! For us, it was amusing seeing Han get fed up with him (especially in Empire). Don't annoy the AUDIENCE, Lucas! I've been harsh on this film, I know. But that's only because I "deeply, truly, love" (God, what an awful line!) the OT. Empire is one of the best movies in history. It's just that it is possible to do a fantastic visual story with a strong plot and acting. Empire did it, as did FOTR more recently. Lucas has said on occasion that to him, visuals are more important than story and acting. This is the thinking that gives us movies like TPM, the upcoming Scooby-Doo, and, in large part, Attack of the Clones. Res ipsa loquitur.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:15 a.m. CST

    I don't get some people

    by RickP66

    How could anyone trash this movie? It was simply 100% better than the Phantom Menace. The SFX was INCREDIBLE, the plot was complex and involving, and the pacing was very good. Sure the dialogue was campy and the acting was so-so, but no more than in any of the other Star Wars films. Yes, Natalie Portman's character bothered me...unlike Harry, I could see no reason why she would fall in love with Anakin, particularly after he slaughtered the Sandpeople women and children and showed no remorse for it. But even though it wasn't a GREAT film, it was still a very good one and totally erased memories of the just-above-average Spider-Man. (Both movies seem to share a weakness though...poorly acted lead female roles.) Unlike Harry, I don't try to formulate my political philosophies based on mistakenly-simplistic Roman Empire analogs strained through pop culture, but I did appreciate that the movie was at least TRYING to be complex and engrossing when it came to the political intrigue. At any rate, I just can't see the motivation behind all the "it sucked!" ranting. It was a good movie, third best in the series behind Star Wars and TESB imho.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:18 a.m. CST

    No, best line was 'Die you jedi scum... om my, what am i say

    by TheGinger Twit

    Or some thing to that effect. and to all you dip shits who hate this movie... Hateing lord of the rings, I can understand that. Hateing Harry's uncontrollable babbling (sorry harry, you know we all love you) I can understand that... but to hate a film, sorry, 2 films out of 3 of a huge story that brings us to our generations greatest film series ever - well - I just hope you all relise how much you all suck!

  • May 18, 2002, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Hey HerbChamber

    by shadowbox

    You said: "The story was sloppily thrown together-- just a few things to point out-- 1) OWEN LARS doesn't remember in EPISODE IV that he already owned C-3PO for a period up to ten years? C-3PO doesn't remember OWEN or TATOOINE? 2) Vader NEVER suspects his child, Luke, is "hidden" from him with his step-brother on TATOOINE? 3) Vader decides just to send a team down to his former home, TATOOINE, and has no reaction when they end up killing his STEP-BROTHER and wife?" 1) In ANH Owen Lars buys a protocol droid. He has no idea his name is C3PO. He doesn't exactly look the same. And all protocol droids basically look alike and sound alike. 2 and 3)We're not sure Vader even knows he has a son. We don't know what happens in Ep.3. He may end up hating Owen, and NOT caring if he kills him. He is Darth Vader, you know--Evil? I would day that George Lucas just barely covered his bases on this. You could argue it either way. But I think the connetions make it more fun.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:20 a.m. CST

    How come 3PO dosnt reconize anyone? BOO HOO

    by Pageiv

    Im tired of folks asking "How come 3PO dosnt reconize anyone?" How manytimes has it been mention in the movies or the Expaned Universe about memory wipes for droids? Why not wait untill Ep III to see if that question is answered, or "Why dosent Qui Gon disapear?" or "Why am I still living in my parents basement, after all I have tons of money for all of my Star Wars toys, two of each, one for collecting and one to play with."

  • May 18, 2002, 1:20 a.m. CST

    "You were searching for the type of film you like."

    by Rain_Dog

    Yeah, I wanted something I felt was on a par with the Original Trilogy. My mistake.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:23 a.m. CST

    It ROCKED!

    by Blackguard

    For a movie over 2 hours long it flew by!! There was SO much to take in! I don't understand how anyone can say this sucked! This is 100% STAR WARS! Although it should have had some wookiees!

  • May 18, 2002, 1:23 a.m. CST

    My Two Cents

    by earthworm777

    Good Things (spoiler warnings) 1. Anakin and his mother. Wow. When he hops on the speeder...one of the best moments of the whole damn series. A young, pissed-off pre-Vader. Wow. 2. Yoda on the military transport. He looked bad-ass and in control. 3. Yoda sensing bad things throughout the movie. During the battle scene, when he sensed Anakin's lightning-attack...and said, bring a ship......very exciting. 4. CG-Yoda. Worked for me. 5. Camino. I liked everything about Camino...plot, form, very cool. 6. C3PO in the final scene. I found myself laughing out loud...especially at "i'm so confuseed"... Bad Elements of the Movie (spoiler warning) 1. This part made me cringeeee...when anakin and padme share their kiss, as it builds up the music picks up...double crescendo...but when padme withdraws and says no...the music dies with it!! Perhaps trivial...but watch it, think about it, and tell me that it doesn't seem ridiculous. 2. I agree with a couple of people who have pointed out that the Jedi sucked in the arena. Outnumbered? By what? Droids? I haven't seen a THING that has made me scared of droids, even a million of them...they suck! I wasn't nervous at all... 3. In terms of plot, at what point did Yoda and the Jedi Council decide they would go ahead and commandeer the mysterious clone army for themselves??? Weird if you ask me. 4. When did the arena scene turn into a war, for that matter? I would have LOVED to have seen a butt-load of ships approaching the planet as the monsters got close to killing padme, anakin and obi-wan...and someone then inform dooku that the republic was on its way....he would have mobilized the droids and then decided no more fooling around with these three, lets kill 'em...man, then we, the audience, would have felt some serious shit was about to go down!!! Instead, all of sudden there was a war...no build up... 5. For the first half of the movie, Yoda was predictable. No matter what was happening, his advice...even to other jedi...was "clear your mind"..."be mindful of the force"...etc. 6. One element that seemed gratuitously unbelievable was the constant...lets' fly to a planet...and always land in the same spot...not too important... 7. Too many fast transitions... 8. CG-scene with "the dart-expert cook" could have been cut. Same with one action scene.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Objective opinion from an amiable non-SW fan.

    by Silver Badger

    Poor writing (very little at stake, some superlative doggy lines), slow pacing ( and who cares if clones and droids go to war), wooden acting ( how do you make even Sam Jackson seem uncommitted) The audience was laughing at the love story, the first interesting moment, kid finding answer to missing planet, green spider monster cool, but scene kinda dull, Mr. Lee on speeder looks like the witch in wizard of Oz, Aliens,Gladiator, and Dune, also sampled, no direction evident, why would non-hardcore fans go see this film? It bodeth ill for the future.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:25 a.m. CST

    "Bitter, cynical pricks"

    by Rain_Dog

    Okay, you fucking mental midget, I'm going to say this shit one more time, and one more time only. I'm not cynical, I'm not bitter, I'm not a prick, I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE MOVIE. It's as simple as that, moron. You liked it, I didn't. I'm not naysaying, I hadn't intended to flame, I've said from the beginning it's all a matter of taste. I genuinely wish I had liked the movie, but I didn't. I came out of it with the same empty feeling that I came out of TPM with 3 years ago. I can't help that.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:26 a.m. CST

    you are all spoiled rotten... what a flick

    by Methestel

    I loved LOTR. I loved Star Wars. Stop bitching, you boring little pansies, we've had an awesome year. Attack of the Clones is the best of all the SW movies. The only reason for objection would be based insentimentality.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Worthy review for a great movie

    by CDG24

  • May 18, 2002, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Oh I see.

    by Rain_Dog

  • May 18, 2002, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Oh I see.

    by Rain_Dog

    So when I see a movie I don't like, I'm supposed to automatically lower my standards when I see subsequent films, so that I'll like them. Dick.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Fair enough. Flaming over.

    by Rain_Dog

    Look, I'm just getting pissed off (as you may have guessed) with everyone who liked this film acting like any other opinion is wrong. I don't have anything against people who liked it, I'm genuinely glad for them, and I've made it pretty clear I didn't go in intending to hate AoTC; it just didn't do it for me like it did for other people. End of story.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Okay OrionsAngel

    by Pageiv

    You got a good question there, I dont know how Lucas will handle Owen in Ep III, but I bet he aint no mathemation (or however you spell it) and 3PO is gold in ANH. So add the factors, most droids look alike, 30 years goes by Owen's a farmer not an instrutor at MIT and might not be able to remember "3PO" for 30 years. Hell, I dont know. Here is a question for everyone, riddle me this: "Why the hell are there so many aliens everywhere in Ep I and Ep II as compared to IV-VI?" I mean cantina and Jabba's Palace, the aliens were ghettoized. Is that because of the Empire????

  • May 18, 2002, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I CHALLENGE YOU HARRY! EVERYTHING that's wrong with EP2 in O

    by Arrogancy

    Here is my review from my site, that clearly points out the GLARING problems with Episode 2. We can agree to disagree, but your "love" for the film comes strictly from blind devotion and nostalgia. Answer me this Harry - WHY DO PEOPLE ONLY CLAP AND CHEER AT NOSTALGIC MOMENTS? If the movie is good, the reception would NOT be dependant strictly on OLD stuff - but new additions! And now, the review: Aaron

  • May 18, 2002, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I never said . . .

    by Rain_Dog

    I never said me standards are sophisticated. Their just MY standards, that's all. I like a lot of movies that I would objectively say are pretty crappy. And seriously, that old "If you think you're so good, go make your own movie" argument is ridiculous.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Hardcore fans may like it, but everyone else hates it

    by Maximus21

    I seen the movie with 5 people who don't follow Star Wars and all of them had the same reaction: it was boring until Yoda showed up and started fighting. I know many people here are Star Wars freaks(I'm a huge fan also) and would shoot their load when any kind of little Star Wars tidbit is thrown their way(ie. the Death Star being shown in AOTC). I heard the same stuff after The Phantom Menace. How anyone could say the acting in this movie was good must be on drugs or have their head so far up Lucas' ass they can't see the light? Is it the actor's fault? Not completely. The totally inane and ridiculous dialogue doesn't help any. And don't say that it was just as bad in the OT because it isn't. The acting and writing was better in The Phantom Menace. The only compliments I can give to AOTC is that it had great FX and it dumped most of the childish attitude. How anyone can say this movie ROCKED is beyond me? Of course, the same people on this site said the Phantom Menace ROCKED too. Give it a few months for the hype to die down, and maybe you'll see how terribly flawed the film is.

  • That was the best line in the film for me, a little something for the fans:) at any rate, my love for Attack Of The Clones can be summed up quite simply. There are very few things i can honestly say that I have been waiting for my entire life. Those little things you keep tucked away in your subconcious. For me it came when I was about 5 years old and saw The Empire Strikes Back for the first time. When I saw Yoda I thought to myself: "ok he is wise but can he fight"? Throughout the years I tried to conceive the idea of Yoda kickin ass and takin names. But for some reason I always came up short. Then last night the revelation came and not just in the form of a lightsaber duel. From the moment Yoda saunders on screen to face Dooku and strikes a battle ready pose i was five years old again. And the fever pitch hit an all time high when that saber flew into Yoda's hand, he became a Jedi on crack and I was on an adrenaline high. So in short to top off an already incredible film that was better than Phantom Menace 5 times over in the departments of atmosphere, acting and emotion was the realization of a childhood dream of mine almost 18 years in the making. Can't wait to see how Lucas ties up ends in Episode 3.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Why the acting seems wooden

    by muckfire

    Has anyone ever seen a movie about Queen Elizebeth or some tale of knights and kings. The dialogue and delivery of the characters in AOTC is consistent with the station of those characters. You wouldn't expect a king or queen to be throwing slang and jive. The same goes for a well trained civil servant,aka Jedi, the characters in this movie act like the Royalty, gentry, highminded politicians, and knights in every other movie I've seen, and I dare say real life. In my opinion, this was the second best in the entire series so far. Yoda and Portman's body just blew my mind.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Do yourself a favor...

    by CHEET

    Go see About A Boy. Lucas doesn't need the money and a really, really, really good movie came out this week.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:10 a.m. CST

    This movie fucking rocked. All the haters on here are either a)

    by The_Lion

    I loved this movie. The FX fucking owned. Jango-Obi rocked. The speeder chase was amazing. Portman was smoking hot. Hayden suffered from having to act out some over melodramatic moments, but he was other awesome as Anakin and is going to be a huge star. Dooku was the bomb. I really bought that exhange between Anakin and Padme before they were wheeled into the arena. The battle with the monsters brought back memories of old Harryhausen films like "Clash of the Titans." When Yoda shows up with an army to save the Jedi, I couldn't have been happier. I liked the lightsaber battle with Obi-Wan, Anakin and Dooku. I only wish Anakin would have kicked a little more ass in this movie, considering that he should be the biggest badass on the screen. And what can I say about the moment when Yoda shows up to get it on with Dooku? FUCKING AWESOME, BABY!!!!!!!!!! All your Sith Lord asses are belong to Yoda!!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 2:11 a.m. CST

    by fladnaG

    Why? That's all I really want to know. Why can't I be "negative" about AOTC? I'm so sick of this shit. Since when is it not ok to dislike a movie? Just because the film has the title of Star Wars does not mean that it is exempt from criticism. I'm fucking tired of people spouting off crap like "people who didn't like this movie are just being negative and its all about the politics with those people. Its Star Wars, what do they expect. Those people need to learn to have fun". FUCK THAT. What the fuck ever happened to not settling. I distinctly remember Moriarty saying in his LOTR review that he wasn't going to settle for mediocre films stuffed down our necks by the studio's. Now before anyone starts flaming me I'm not starting a LOTR/SW war and yes Lucas is as close to a studio as an "independent" is ever going to come. I did like AOTC better than TPM but I still had problems with it that for me made it less than great. And you know what, thats fine. After all its just a movie, let it slide.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Amazing

    by peblopeet

    I tend to disagree with Harry's reviews because if a movie is good, to him it is the greatest. Too many superlatives. I could not agree with him more though, on his take for this movie. I saw AOTC three hours ago and I'm still glowing. I come from a pretty small town with conservative movie goers, but when the credits rolled, the film got a standing ovation. I think that pretty much sums the experience for me. Simply awesome.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:13 a.m. CST

    I Loved It !!!

    by Ralph Wiggum

    After reading a bunch of these posts I must say I'm sad for the people who didn't enjoy this movie. I beleive you are setting your expectations way too high. Lets not forget you must slip into the mind-set of a 12 year old and sit back and enjoy the ride. Lucas himself said he specificly made these movies for 12 year olds! So, if you are like me and in your late 20's and expecting a "film" you aint getting it!! I also see alot of groaning about the acting...well guess what, they were coached by Lucas to act that way...he said he doesnt want "reality" acting in his movie...he is trying to recreate the feeling of the old cliff hanger movies! Words from the man himself. To all you naysayers out there I say bring your kids or borrow a little brother or sister or someone's cousin....sit between a couple of 10-12 year olds watch their eyes light up with glee and hope, just hope you can watch with the same amount of awe as they do!!! P.S.....was anyone else expecting Jango's head to fall out of the helmet when Boba picked it up or is that just me???? Peace.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:13 a.m. CST

    coolstuff

    by sokitome

    i think it's become "cool"in the media to bash starwars. This movie was excellent. those of you finding faults in it i think are way too critical because now it's cool to bash starwars. Well This movie is gonna make a crapload of money and most peeps are gonna love it.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:16 a.m. CST

    What the....?

    by Bones9930

    I have a question for all out there who had a problem with the acting. Did anyone stop to think what type of people you are watching in the movie? You have Jedi's and politicians, both of whom are not supposed to show any emotion. Jedi's are trained to control their emotions at all times so wouldn't it be kinda silly to have them giving you emotional outburst? Amidala is a former queen who is trained to be composed at all times. I think Lucas has some issues with his movie making techniques but the acting was purposeful and correct. People please, open your minds! P.S. I'm still trying to recover from the most incredible movie I'm seen in about 15 years. AOTC Rocks!!!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Exposing The Soft Underbelly of Fandom

    by vergence

    you clowns would eat soft-serve shit out of lucas asshole...

  • May 18, 2002, 2:31 a.m. CST

    sucks to be me

    by ryan mecum

  • May 18, 2002, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I agree with most of what Harry said, but....

    by Godai-kun

    I think he's wrong about the motive behind the assasination attempt on Amadala. It wasn't to silence her voice in the senate. At least, not primarily. The Neimodians would not go along with Dooku's scheme unless Padme was killed. I thought the movie made that pretty clear (though nobody's called Harry on it, so maybe I'm crazy)... Speaking of Neimoidians, how much do they rock now? They were by far my least favorite thing about TPM, but while they are still dopey and pathetic, they are now endearingly so. For ten years, they've been obsessing over getting even with a little girl with no success. How sad is that? I love it in a Wile E. Coyote/Roadrunner sort of way. "Why don't you just shoot her?!" Hilarious (and my vote for best line in the movie). That's just one of the ways AOTC redeems TPM. Another example is of course Jar Jar. The LBJ comparison is spot on, Harry. His role in these movies is becoming much more defined.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL STAR WARS FANS

    by fladnaG

    Why is not allowed for me to find any fault whatsoever with AOTC? I'm just curious. When LOTR came out I remember a distinct sect of SW fans railing into it but now can't seem to take any criticism of AOTC. Why do the majority of TB's here feel the need to try and belittle those who disagree instead of discussing it? If someone could please answer those questions for me I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I'm sure

    by Darth Melkor

    I'm sure some are just so heartbroken that Attack of the Clones is actually damn good.. Not only good by I feel the second best of the series after Empire and that's saying a lot. It was everything I wanted it to be and exceeded my expectations, which I tried to keep in check. I notice that those (I want name names) who spent the last few months tearing it down saying it would be awful have mysteriously not appeared in this talkback to say how bad it was. Wonder why.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Enjoyable for plot tie-ins, however wooden acting and grainy

    by shadocontrol

    OK, plot-wise, I agree, best of all the Star Wars, to date. I won't repeat any of Harry's analysis. However, I cringed at Hayden's uneven portrayal of Anakin! Wooden in this scene, good in the next. It seemed, if it didn't have Natalie in the scene, he was wooden. When she was in the scene, he acted. (Maybe he had a woody!! :-) To me, all the dark scenes had grainyness to them. Even my son, who's 11 yo, commented that the screen looked like it was 'painted sand'. (Out of the mouths of babes; he was right on.) Next viewing will be digital projection. Dan

  • May 18, 2002, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Get yer freak on

    by fatzombie

    TPM was utterly bloodless. It had all the sex appeal of a PBS antiques Roadshow marathon. This from the guy that gave us Lea in a gold bikinii! AOTC refreshingly turns up the heat a little. Three words: Portman cat suit. I mean the scene where the monster tears off just enough of Amidala's shirt to make it a Brittny Spears belly shirt? I felt like I was watching Undercover Brother. And did you say there was a love scene that got cut out? Why would you cut out any love scene with Natalie Portman? I agree it has no place in the film but part of me kind of wanted to see the "last shot" of the film be Anakin climax too early with Amidala giving him a "you selfish bastard" look followed by car horn sound effect-cut to John Williams booming score and credits.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Give Harry a break

    by kdrump1

    First of all, Harry, your review nailed it, as for everybody else, give him a break for forgetting about the reference in ROTJ about Leia remembering her mother. This guy has just wrote an incredibly great review for a movie, (with mixed reviews from everybody else) and made one simple mistake. As for everbody who didn't get any of the plot, you need to do your homework. And if you weren't fealing the supsense of the characters being in danger of getting hurt, maybe it's becuase we already know that nothing will happen to them until Episode 3. It's pretty hard to show the danger for a character that we already know the fate of. Now about the movie, I loved it. It worked, the love scenes need tweaking but Harry made a point of saying that love is basically cliche. I was thinking the same thing. And the whole political thing needs to be shown in this movie because, unlike the original trilogy (which is just a war to bring down an evil dictatorship), this trilogy is a downfall of a government. And the dark side is very smart, you really have to think about it. The whole James Bond thing basically made the movie more sense, my dad is a Bond fan and couldn't really understand Star Wars but this review helped him understand (I guess he just likes 2 dimensional characters). By the way, this might sound really geaky and probably would be good conversation among people who smoke a certain "herbal" drug. But remember when that old lady in the big library told OB1 that if there isn't a solar system in the database, it doesn't exist? Well lets asume that "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." isn't in a parallel dimension, then would our part of the galaxy exist, and would it be in the galaxy archives if it did exist? Just keep an open mind, it makes you wonder. And no I didn't think this up while smoking an herbal drug.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:44 a.m. CST

    MERCIFUL LORD LET THIS SERIES DIE!!!!

    by Black Ceaser

    Sweet mother of Christ, have you all been forced fed so much cinematic crap that you don't even realize when someone is shitting down your throats and calling it Jello? These new Star Wars SUCK ASS! You Star Wars fans are like a cult and George Lucas is your Jim Jones and right now he's feeding you poisoned Kool Aid and you're drinking it up and saying YUMMY! "Star Wars is such an important part of my geek life that I'll take anything he puts out as long as it's Star Wars." And mean while he's raking up a fortune in merchandising and ancilaries while setting the standard for good filmmaking to an all time LOW! Why do C3PO and R2D2 exist in these new episodes? Why didn't Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru realize that they used to OWN C3PO when they buy him from Jawas in Episode 4 (Episode ONE in my book) Why did Obi Wan "not remeber ever owning a droid" when R2 was on so many goddamn adventures with him? Why are there NO MEMORABLE CHARACTERS, NO CHEMESTRY AND NO QUOTABLE DIALOGE in these new films? Remeber in A New Hope, how all the characters where recognizable, they reminded you of REAL PEOPLE! Luke, Lea, Han, Chewie where a family. They had CHEMESTRY, you liked them. These new characters are DULLLLL!!!! The digital creatures are more interesting than the human ones. I'm quite sure that one of you fanatics will be able to justify everything that Lucas vomits on you just like a religious fanatic can justify the most contradictory passages of the Bible. But at the end of the day, from a fan of the first 2 (Return of the Jedi was just so so in my book), but more importantly from a fan of MOVIES you're embracing of this CRAPPY STORYTELLING is hurting the industry by setting the standard to an all time LOW! And studios are gonna believe that all you need is a shit load of digital effects to make a good movie. If this is an example of a good movie then I AM IN HELL! I feel like George Lucas has just forced me to "toss his salad...TWICE." I am now going to watch A New Hope and Empire Strikes back to wash the tast of this DRECK, out of my mouth. DIE STAR WARS DIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!

  • May 18, 2002, 2:44 a.m. CST

    I LOVED THIS MOVIE....

    by CHEWBLACCA

    ...if you didn't,I feel sorry for your sorry,jaded ass.This is going to be a kick-ass summer for us geeks.2005 can't get here soon enough.

  • Then why did Ian McDiarmid manage to impress me when most others didn't? Wasn't he playing a politician? Why did I like Liam Neeson in TPM, but not Hayden Christensen in AoTC? How come Shekar Kepur's Elizabeth was so great? Wasn't that all about politicans and royalty? Look, you guys can come up with all the cockamamy excuses you want. Bad acting is bad acting, and bad dialogue is bad dialogue. But, I hasten to add, bad dialogue can be transcended. Again, Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, Frank Oz, and, to a lesser extent than I could have liked, Ewan McGregor made the very best they could out of the pissweak writing. I don't know if you've ever actually watched a decent real life politican at work (and no, Dubya doesn't count), but politics is ALL about acting, about putting across a certain kind of image. The reason the acting came across as wooden in AoTC was because IT WAS, not because of the sort of characters portrayed.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:48 a.m. CST

    free movies

    by fun guy

    hey man some people still can't get high speed internet service. it would take me weeks to download the whole movie so like i said i'll see it later for free. still interested, but they won't get my fucking money because they failed in the last movie.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Get over it, Darth Spooky

    by Rain_Dog

    None of the people here saying they dislike the movie are LOTR trolls. We're all SW fans who are just, plain and simple, disappointed with AoTC. We're not saying you can't like it, we're just saying we didn't. Far from being depressed about how good AoTC was, I'm annoyed because I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOOD. Understand now, sparky?

  • May 18, 2002, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Hell Yeah Chewblacka Bring on 2005 and THE END OF THIS SHIT!

    by Black Ceaser

  • May 18, 2002, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Hey RAIN DOG

    by Darth Melkor

    Did I say they were LOTR trolls? Cause I'm pretty sure I didn't. I just said there have been people for months who've said it would suck having never seen it. If you've seen it and don't like it, hey that's cool. But don't knock it without having any real reason to. Got that, sparky?

  • May 18, 2002, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Sorry to say

    by Pallando

    I really wanted to like it, but this doesnt even live up to ep1. Lucas needs to let someone else write the script for and direct the next one just as he did with Empire because obviously that is what made it the best of the 5. This one is clearly the worst, I mean I didnt even mind ep1. Gaping holes in this plot. Why does Anakin wait so long to go get his mother? 10 years? He couldnt sneak away in that time? Surely the Jedi would value piety which would dictate that he go free his mother. And Obi-Wan goes out like a bitch on Genosus. This mother fucker killed Darth Maul as a padawan and then as a Knight is weak enough to get captured and locked up by some droids? He's a fuckin Jedi. Yoda saves it in the end, but he's Yoda, of course whatever scenes he is in people will love. Isn't anyone else sick of watching shite for and hour and a half just to see the badass climactic battle scene?

  • May 18, 2002, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Speculation

    by Monkee804

    The one that is the most disappointing in all sequels is that they rarely make you look back on it's predecessor and tweak the storyline. Except for maybe Back to the Future 2 or Empire have we needed to rewatch the first installment and see how not only our expectations but our whole concept of story has changed. I've always thought that Sidney Prescott (Neve Campbell's character) in the Scream trilogy should have been the Ghost masked killer and the proceeding films should have been figments of her twisted head. I think that for Terminator 3, a cynical John Connor should hate the world for shunning him and his mother electing to destroy the world with Terminators of his image instead of saving humans. That's right, ironically, Terminators should be the image of buffed out badass John Connor! As for the Star Wars Universe, I am convinced that the Clones and all that fuss about dictatorship was facilitated by none other than Yoda himself!! That's right! I believe that Yoda's life was spared for helping the Emperor create the Empire.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Spooky.

    by Rain_Dog

    Fair enough. It's true that you never said 'LOTR trolls', but I felt that your post implied that the only people who disliked AoTC were those who had a vested interest in its failure; hence the LOTR bit. What I'm saying is that most of the people who are saying they didn't like it aren't the ones who've been saying "It's going to suck!" for months. They're people like me who were truly looking forward to it and are now truly disappointed.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:10 a.m. CST

    EPISODE ll WAS GREAT

    by bk383

    HERE ARE MY THOUGHTS ABOUT EPISODE 2. THIS IS A DEFINITE IMPROVEMENT OVER EPISODE 1, ALL THE PROBLEMS I HAD WITH PHANTOM WERE CORRECTED IN CLONES, WELL ALMOST ALL OF THEM. OKAY FIRST OF ALL I HAVE READ A LOT OF THE COMMENTS LEFT BY "FANS" AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE NEGATIVE POSTS. DID I WATCH THE SAME MOVIE AS EVERYONE ELSE? EVERYONE'S COMPLAING ABOUT THE BAD ACTING, WHAT BAD ACTING? OTHER THAN THE OCCASIONAL BAD LINE I THOUGHT HAYDEN AND NATALIE DID FINE. EWAN VERY MUCH IMPRESSED ME WITH HIS PERFORMANCE, I THOUGHT HE WAS GREAT. I DIDN'T THINK THE DIALOGUE WAS AS BAD AS EVERYONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT, I MEAN LUCAS ISN'T GOING TO WIN AN OSCAR FOR BEST SCREENPLAY BUT IT WASN'T AWFUL. THE LOVE STORY WAS BELIEVEABLE TO. GEEZ PEOPLE HAYDEN IS SUPPOSED TO BE 18 AND NATALIE 23, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE "NEVER" BEEN IN LOVE. DUH, OF COURSE IT MIGHT SEEM KIND OF HOKEY AND ADOLESCENT BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. I READ THE NOVEL BEFORE THE MOVIE CAME OUT AND I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT CLONES BEING BETTER THAN PHANTOM. I LIKE MOST PEOPLE WERE TOTALLY UPSET WITH PHANTOM AND WAS REALLY WORRIED THAT THIS MOVIE WOULD SUCK ASS, I THINK EVEN THOUGH HE DENIES IT LUCAS TOOK TO HEART THE PUBLIC REACTION TO EPISODE 1. ATTACK OF THE CLONES DOES MAKE THE PHANTOM MENACE A MUCH BETTER MOVIE BUT IT STILL COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER. ALSO THERE IS A REASON THAT EPISODE 1'S TONE IS KIND OF COMICAL THAT IS MORE LIGHTHEARTED IN NATURE THAN THE OTHERS. LUCAS HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRAST TO WHEN 2 & 3 ARE MADE. I MEAN IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK IF ALL THREE PREQUELS WERE ALL DARK AND SERIOUS, THAT WOULD HAVE MEANT THAT IN EPISODE 3 THE IMPACT OF EVERYONE AND THEIR GRANDMOTHER GETTING KILLED WOULDN'T MEAN AS MUCH. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE NEGATIVE POSTS I'VE SEEN "WORSE THAN PHANTOM"? WHAT MOVIE DID EVERYONE ELSE SEE? THERE WEREN'T TO MANY SLOW PARTS AND ONLY A COUPLE OF BAD LINES. ALSO I AM A MAJOR COMIC BOOK FAN AND WHEN I SEE POSTS ABOUT SPIDERMAN BEING THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD AND THAT LORD OF THE RINGS & THE MATRIX ARE LIKE 4 STAR CINEMA, AND NOW STAR WARS IS LIKE ABSOLUTE CRAP, I MEAN PLEASE, I SAW SPIDERMAN AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT AND ALL BUT I'M NOT ABOUT TO GO SEE IT 10 TIMES IN THE THEATER. THE MAIN POINT OF THIS POST IS THAT CLONES IS AN OVERALL GOOD MOVIE. THE PEOPLE WHO BITCH ABOUT LITTLE THINGS LIKE HAYDEN BEING "WHINY" IS JUST RIDICULOUS. HE'S PLAYING A TEENAGER WHO IS ALL POWERFULL/THE CHOSEN ONE AND HE KNOWS IT. HE'S SUPPOSED TO ACT THAT WAY. OKAY THE ONLY PROBLEMS THAT I HAD WITH THE MOVIE WAS SOME OF THE CONTINUITY STUFF. LIKE WHY DOESN'T OWEN RECOGNIZE R2 AND C3PO? WHY DOESN'T VADER THINK ABOUT TATTOINE/UNCLE OWEN WHEN HE'S SEARCHING FOR THE DEATH STAR PLANS/LOOKING FOR LUKE? I ALSO DIDN'T LIKE THAT ANAKIN BUILT C3PO, I MEAN I COULD ACCEPT R2D2 BEING A REPAIR DROID ON A NABOO CRUISER BUT ANAKIN BUILDING C3PO IS A BIT MUCH. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THE JEDI AS BEING BADASSES AND HARD TO KILL. IN THE ARENA SCENE IT'S LIKE SOMEONE SNEEZES AND 5 JEDI GET KILLED. I ALSO THOUGHT THAT IF LUCAS WOULD HAVE MADE THE TUSKEN RAIDER SCENE AND THE ANAKIN/DOOKU SCENE LIKE THE BOOK IT WOULD HAVE SET A DARKER TONE. I MEAN I KNOW HE HAD TO GET A CERTAIN RATING TO GET TO A WIDER AUDIENCE BUT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN COOL TO SEE ANAKIN WIG OUT AND KILL 50 TUSKEN RAIDERS, I MEAN IN THE BOOK HE TAKES A BOULDER AND CRUSHES A HOUSE FULL OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND CHASES EVERYONE DOWN AND GOES TO TOWN ON THEM. THE LIGHT SABER BATTLE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AS WELL. IN THE BOOK DOOKU IS TOYING WITH ANAKIN AND TAUNTING HIM, JUST LIKE VADER DOES TO LUKE IN EMPIRE, HE'S NOT EVEN TRYING, WHICH MAKES ANAKIN MAD AND THEN HE KIND OF GOES POSTAL AND REACHES INTO THE DARK SIDE AND INTENSIFIES HIS ATTACK WHICH MAKES DOOKU BE MORE ON HIS GUARD. ANAKIN USES THE FORCE TO HOLD DOOKU IN PLACE SO HE CAN'T DODGE THAT WOULD HAVE BE GREAT. I THINK ATTACK OF THE CLONES MAKES THE PHANTOM MENACE A BETTER MOVIE {AT LEAST A LITTLE} AND THAT CLONES IS PROBABLY 3RD BEST AFTER EMPIRE AND STAR WARS

  • May 18, 2002, 3:11 a.m. CST

    This movie will NOT make a shitload of money.

    by empyreal0

    Why? Because people want to see two things: the romance, and the Clone Wars. Well, as Yoda said the Clone Wars have only just begun, and the romance was terrible. I'm sorry, Harry, but the romance did suck. HORRIBLY. Thoroughly unbelievable. I agree wholeheartedly with your opinions on why Padme WOULD HAVE fallen in love with Anakin, but it just wasn't there in the movie. Was she attracted to him? I sure didn't see any wayward glances to indicate that. She was motherly and protective? That hug after Anakin confessed his murder was akward and cold. I really didn't see much indication that she was concerned for Anakin's safety. Remember that he's still reckless and boyish in her eyes, even if he is (strangely) charming to her. After she confessed her love at the arena, she unlocks herself and doesn't even toss Ani the key or even glance to make sure he's ok. Her delivery of those lines, by the way, was cold, unemotional, and completely stagey. Hayden's performance was pretty good... but my heart has sunk for Portman. I used to like her a lot. I summed up the viewing several times on the trip back early Thursday morning: "Oh well..."

  • May 18, 2002, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Rain Dog 2

    by Darth Melkor

    I understand that and I'm wasn't talking about the people who have seen it and don't like it such as yourself.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Clones

    by Nameless1

    Spiderman was a far superior film. To put it simply Attack of the Clones sucked. Nuff said, make mine Marvel.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Excuse me

    by dogfish112

    Do some of you so-called star wars fans even enjoy movies? Or would you rather nitpick and complain about every detail. Of course the prequel trilogy is different from the classic trilogy its a different story, set in a different time and made 20 years later. I'm glad that the prequels are different from the classic trilogy I don't want to see just a rehash of whats already done. George and CO have delivered an exciting, entertaining movie which I can't wait to see again and again. I feel sorry for fans of the CT who can't get past the fact that Han Leia and Luke aren't back and therefore will never enjoy the new trilogy. Part of what made star wars such a hit 25 years ago was that it was new and fresh. Now every summer movie is a huge special effects extravagansa hence the prequels may not stand out as the fun serial that they were meant to be. Star wars was the instigater to every summer blockbuster.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:17 a.m. CST

    I just don't get it...

    by Pongo

    I'll get this out of the way right now--I like a LOT of movies. Bad movies, good movies, mediocre movies...a LOT. It takes a lot to get me to not like a movie I just paid 6 bucks to see. I liked the first three Star Wars films. I wasn't a complete obsessive fan, but I thought they were brilliant films (although I'm one of the few who think "A New Hope" is better than Empire). I also must say I loved Lord of the Rings. I had never read the book and actually was one of the idiots calling people that wanted to see that movie "dorks" or "losers" before I actually saw it. When I saw it, it completely blew me away, and has been near the top of my list ever since. I wanted to like this movie SO much more than LOTR, but that didn't even come close to happening. Anyways, last night my brother came home raving about how this was the best Star Wars film yet, it rocked, etc, etc. He is a Star Wars fan, but he's got decent taste so I figured I'd have to check it out. I have been looking forward to this one, although not getting my hopes up because of the TPM debacle. This morning I ended up seeing this film, and I really, REALLY can't understand why everybody thinks this film is so great. I went in wanting to like it--I got goosebumps when the famous theme played and the famous Star Wars scrolling text appeared. Then the chaos began...I have NEVER seen a worse acted movie in my 20 years of existence. Were it not for the last 20 minutes, I would have thought TPM was better. I know, I know--you don't go to Star Wars films for their acting--and I didn't go to this one for the acting. The acting was just SO bad that it ruined the rest of the film...the first 2 hours were so boring (and sometimes laughable) that by the time the movie got good, I didn't care any more. I just don't get how Lucas could let that complete crap between Christensen and Portman pass as good enough material for the big screen. It was like they were reading directly off the script the entire time..."I don't like sand. It's grainy, coarse, irritating...unlike you. You are smooth and beautiful." What the hell was that line??? I laughed out loud when I heard it...I also think I saw Christensen display emotion ONE time throughout the film. Even Obi-Wan was disappointing. The one-liners were also completely out of place in this one. In the first three films, the one-liners (especially Harrison Ford's) were so subtle that they made you laugh at them being funny...in this movie the one-liners were so blatantly thrown in there that they made you laugh because they were so bad. Yoda was hands down the most impressive thing in this movie--his lightsaber battle, his animation, even his ACTING. Other than Christopher Lee, Yoda had the best acting in this film, and he's a digitized character. The ending was a great setup for Episode III, though...too bad it wasn't enough to save this one for me. Hopefully Lucas gets it right in the last one, otherwise I really hope that if there is an Episode 7, 8, and 9 made that he hands over the reins to someone who knows how to influence actors. As much as I hate to sound like David Spade--"Christensen, Portman, even Ewan--It's called acting. Look into it."

  • May 18, 2002, 3:21 a.m. CST

    with regards to the Owen and Threepio thing...

    by HoichiTheEarless

    Remember in Empire when Threepio runs into another similar looking unit, and it has the same voice? There are probabably many driods with the same voice, they probably all have similar names, and after many years a simple farm man like Owen probably wouldn't be able to distiguish them like us geeks would. Droids probably get their memory erased on a regular basis, too.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:22 a.m. CST

    A Quantum Leap Better Than TPM

    by billy_zardus

    I went into the movie with very low expectations and came away pleasantly suprised. (Guess there was no where to go but up). I was distracted by the creatures on Kamino looking exactly like the ones from the end of AI. Obi-wan looked like Billy Ray Cyrus with that mullet.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Zeekade

    by Meier

    "because Lucas had a couple hundred million to blow on a big war scene?" Gotta disagree with your opinion but just wanted to set the record straight that the production budget of this film was 115 million total with an advertising budget of 25 million. In contrast, Spider-Man's budget was 130/50.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Clones, sweet clones

    by Noocyte

    Long-time reader, first time poster. But I couldn

  • May 18, 2002, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Can't we just agree to disagree

    by HoichiTheEarless

    Why is it that people in these talkbacks are always convinced that people who don't like the same movies as them are suffering from some kind of childhood trauma or something? Take a few deep breaths. Clear your head. Now think. IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:43 a.m. CST

    AOTC is a big COSMIC LETDOWN

    by CaptainMisery

    Wow, where to even begin with the lumbering monstrosity that was Attack of the Clones? As a devout Star Wars Fan for most of my life ( I was 6 when A New Hope was released) and the man who can truly say "Luke, I am your father." since my son's name is legally Luke Skywalker I feel I am more than qualified to write some prose about the Clones. Let me just get it out of the way - Attack of the Clones is a bad film. Simple as that. It's mediocre filmmaking dressed up with some very cool special effects. Story has been sacrificed on the altar of eye candy and gee whiz technical images. From the opening scenes the film fizzles, let's take it by numbers - 1. Padme's ship is blown up in a failed assasination attempt. Completely without drama. We know that the a main character like Padme is in no danger of dying at the outset of the film. Coupled with the fact that she is clearly seen getting out of the Naboo Fighter and you have a scene that is supposed to elicit fear but only really succeeds in pointing out Lucas' shortcomings as a Director/Writer. 2. The film moves nowhere after this scene. The next few are nothing but talking heads. This is STAR WARS - let's see something. Anything. 3. Zam Wessel - a SHAPESHIFTER -it's mentioned in the film for crying out loud. What's the point of hiring a bounty hunter who can shape shift is SHE IS NOT GOING TO DO IT TO ELUDE DETECTION!!! There's no point! 4. Why does Jango not kill the Jedi's? He doesn't even attempt. If he's that worried about being detected what's 2 more darts? Also, if Zam would have just deactivated the assasin droid instead of trying some ridiculous skeet practice OB1 and Anakin wouldn't have even known who had send the robot in the first place! THESE ARE DETAILS TAUGHT IN SCREENWRITING 101! 5. Could Anakin be anymore creepy when he's stroking Padme's back and talking about soft things? 6. The scene between OB1 and the Cloners was the most absurd I've seen in a long time. More than once he looked stunned and expressed amazement at their revelations. Yet they never pick up on this and offer him a tour of the factory. They can clone humans but have no idea about human behavior? Staggering. 7. Editing/Pacing. The juxtaposition between OB1's search and Anakin's Tatooine adventure was laughable. Just when something got interesting we were whisked across the galaxy to look at something else. One cut even confuses the audience. Start with a shot of Anakin in the desert and then jump to OB1 in a similiar environment. Who's on the rocks? No idea. Way to go, George. 8. Shmi - no explanation as to why she has been kept alive for 30 days in the middle of the desert. Did she have something that the Tusken's wanted? Zero explanation. They've killed over 20 men at this point but left her alive. Presumably to let her die in her son's arms. How thoughtful those pesky Sandpeople are! Give me a break. 9. Lars Garage scene - Anakin confesses that he has killed an entire village. Is this supposed to turn Padme on? You're so crazy, Ani, let's make out. Completely odd. This turn of events proves that Padme deserves whatever fate befalls her. Ladies, if your boyfriend confesses to having killed an entire village of anything the best thing to do is RUN. 10. Jango Fett - we have another installment of the ol' Let's Get a Great Star Wars Character and Kill 'em Off Soon. No backstory on Jango. No motivation as to why he wants his own clone. No history. No wants, needs, desires, or any of the stuff that makes us human. When things get tough in the arena a real Bounty Hunter would have got the hell out. It's not his fight! Get your Clone Kid and go! 11. Mace decides to round up the Jedi and kick some butt so he gets.....all 12 of 'em? Where the hell are the rest of the Jedi? No wonder Vader was able to wipe them all out. There were hardly any left! That's like being proud of yourself because you can finish off an individual pizza unaided. 12. Why bother with the arena creature scene at all. If you're Dooku and the fate of your galactic plans is in jeapordy because of three solitary figures. YOU KILL THEM OUTRIGHT. You don't bother with some lame Gladiator antics. Why leave ANYTHING to chance? Also, if you're dead set on some kind of sporting event why not get 3 of the same creature? Why bother with the lame cat monster who can be knocked senseless by a 115 pound girl? 13. Ree-Yees Character - he speaks perfect english in Phantom Menace but in AOTC he grunts and has to be subtitled. (Sorry, this just bugged me). 14. Padme gets up from being dropped out of the Republic Ship and says, "We have to get to that Hangar." How the hell would she know where to go? The chase continued for what looked like 100 miles from the time she was dumped out. SHE WOULD NOT KNOW THIS. Absurd. 15. Anakin gets the biggest cheer when he picks up and fights with 2 lightsabers. THIS ELATION LASTS ABOUT 4 SECONDS as the fight is reduced to single sabers only. What, could Hayden not learn more than a few moves with both sabers? WHY TAKE IT AWAY SO SOON? 16. Yoda stops fighting long enough to stop a pillar from falling on our two heroes. WHY MOVE IT ASIDE INSTEAD OF CRASHING IT INTO DOOKU'S SHIP AND DISABLING IT? Because Dooku has to get away, that's why! Unbelievable. 17. "You'll pay for the Jedi who have fallen here today!" What, both of them? 18. Sidious/Palpatine/Emperor - just drop the charade. It was lame in Phantom Menace and it's lamer in Clones. 18. "Begun, these Clone Wars have," says Yoda. What the hell is he talking about? Who are they battling? Looks to me like the lame Trade Federation's Droid army was defeated AGAIN. Just gonna give some more time to make some more lame robots? Why not finish now. And how are they Clone Wars? Why aren't the Droid Wars. We don't usually name our wars after our own soldiers do we? "Let's fight the American Wars!" Yet another groan inducing line. 19. Anakin's arm trapped in metal -why not just turn your lightsaber on? It will probably cut right through that metal. 20. LIGHTSABER MADNESS - Anakin and OB1 lose enough Lightsabers to arm a few dozen Jedis. I thought the final step in becoming a Jedi was constructing your own saber. That's only in the future, Luke, in the past they gave 'em out like Pez Dispensers. "Here's your Father's Saber, Luke, one of twenty or so he had." Kind of takes the shine out that scene doesn't it?! There go you -20 reasons why AOTC is a bad film. Love to hear someone explain away these plot holes/logic flaws. I love Star Wars and it pains me to point these out but I think George has gotten too big for this franchise. People are afraid to tell him that something is a bad idea. He has too many digital tools at his fingertips. It starts and ends with people, not cool ships and great backgrounds. Take a tip from the other big film this summer, Mr. Lucas - "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility." Signed - A DISENCHANTED STAR WARS FAN

  • May 18, 2002, 3:52 a.m. CST

    proof positive .......

    by rack

    that harry has sold his every orifice on ebay at a significant profit on his original investment. i could babble ad infinitum on the merits (or non-merits) of this film, but why bother when maybe the most gifted filmwag on the net has done my work for me. STAR WARS: EPISODE II - ATTACK OF THE CLONES (2002) 1/2* (out of four) by Walter Chaw George Lucas and Jonathan Hales' screenplay for Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones is very close to the most inept piece of hubristic garbage I've ever had the alarming misfortune to see realized. The resultant film is 140 minutes of pure treacle: such words as "awkward swill" or "excrescence" do not begin to suggest the stink of it. While Lucas has always been a poor filmmaker (though THX 1138 at least displays directorial competence), his army of yes-men and his years of hermitage have led him to believe that his are the hands best-suited to guide the last three films of his Star Wars franchise--and that miscalculation will sadly only cost him the last lingering vestiges of his already miniscule credibility. In a way, though, I'm grateful to Lucas for making my job easier: Episode II is so atrocious that its screenplay--with lines like, "This is a nightmare! I want to go home!" and "You obviously have a great deal to learn about human behaviour"--serves as auto-critique, and its clumsiness as its own most damning censure. Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) is twenty years old and a Jedi "Padawan" (apprentice) chafing under the stern eye of his master Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor). They are assigned as private bodyguards for Senator Amidala (Natalie Portman)--a queen in the last film, demoted to a position in congress because in Lucas' perversely democratic universe, a monarch has a two-term limit. I'm not going to waste my time detailing the C-Span intrigues and all the smug inside-joking about creation mythologies and leaden ironies (frankly, they don't pay me enough to do so): Episode II, you see, is more a sequence of events related to an assumed knowledge of the Star Wars universe than a proper narrative. A discussion of plot would take almost as long as watching the offal for yourself. Sufficed to say that Episode II is lifeless and listless in equal measure, a curiously impotent saga that has not a single moment as stirring as the dullest moment of the original trilogy. It is an exercise in spectatorship in which the special effects are clearly the backbone and heart of the film, to the extent that even the characters stop to gawp at the digital pyrotechnics. The movie grinds to a halt each time its sterile effects are moved off centre-stage--something that happens quite a lot in a lugubrious film well over two hours that features a mere three action sequences. For as little as I like Episode II's video game feel and look (see especially a conveyer belt bit that plays just like the SNES Star Wars game), it's still preferable to Lucas' unspeakable dialogue and the performances of Christensen and Portman, which are so stilted and unnatural that I actually felt sorry for them--when I wasn't checking my watch and eyeing the exits wistfully. REAL MEN PLAY WITH DOLLS Jango Fett (Kamino Escape) Buy At Amazon.com Boba Fett (Kamino Escape) Buy At Amazon.com Shaak Ti (Jedi Master) Buy At Amazon.com Tom Hanks tells a tale of finding his performance in Forrest Gump after observing Michael Conner Humphreys' performance as the younger version of the title character. Hayden Christensen, portraying Anakin Skywalker as a late teen, has likewise taken a page from Jake Lloyd's legendarily awful performance from Episode I and replaced a model of bad turns that has stood since Travolta's in Battlefield Earth and will stand at least until Christensen himself reprises "Ani" in the "no one in their right mind is looking forward to it now" Episode III. He never delivers dialogue in anything approaching a simulacrum of humanity (though admittedly, he never has a good line to deliver): his droning lament following the slaughter of an entire tribe of disturbingly minimalized desert nomads strikes as especially unforgivable in light of its racial implications and (intra-textually) the almost total lack of concern Amidala expresses towards her prospective beau's psychotic break. I could politicize here, but what's the use of lamenting the franchise's continued vilification of Asians, Jews, and Blacks in "wink wink" alien lingo and caricature if no lessons were learned from Episode I? Episode II was executed in a vacuum, having no relationship to anything save itself and displaying peculiarly misanthropic agoraphobia in the script's impossible language (Lucas may be the only screenwriter incapable of writing in iambic pentameter), lack of connection with true emotions, and total inability to tell an interesting story (or any story) with a basic level of competence. It is a crippled, hamstrung thing that is more pathetic than truly offensive. Consider a scene wherein Amidala runs along a verdant hillock in a weird Maria Von Trapp moment, or when a lowlife tries to sell Obi-Wan "death sticks" and it's revealed that "death sticks" are cigarettes, or its cadre of flying monkeys, or a five-minute sequence in which a beheaded C-3PO jauntily ripostes: "Arrgh! I've lost my head," "What a drag!" (as his head is being drug), "I'm beside myself!" (when his head is placed beside his body), and "I can't seem to get my head on straight!" (after his head has been reattached). There is an abstract bit so sly I wonder if it was slipped in unbeknownst to Lucas: the bounty hunter Jango Fett (Temuera Morrison), possibly (but probably not) named after guitar legend Django Reinhardt, drops "seismic charges" in an all-too familiar asteroid field that explode with a D-minor twang! Aside from that discordant (and most likely accidental) grace note, Episode II actually borders on the aggressive in its open disdain for structure, performance, and its audience--the film knows that it will take in a great deal of money no matter the critical or popular reception and thus proceeds to be the worst it possibly can be. Episode II: a rambling behemoth without a pilot; a sucking black hole that continues to fecklessly sully the memories of an entire generation of folks (like myself) who grew up playing with the action figures while considering the "big" polarities of good vs. evil, light vs. dark, and what it means to be a friend, a brother, and a son. Though in retrospect, the only film of real artistic value of the initial trilogy is The Empire Strikes Back, the original Star Wars trilogy was possessed of an energy and passion that forgives a multitude of sins. A lot of the wonder and hope and magic of my childhood died in Episode II upon Yoda throwing back his robe like a gunslinger, striking a kung fu pose, and launching into a lightsaber attack like a crazed green Muppet incarnation of the Tasmanian Devil. "Pain, suffering, death: I feel," Yoda intones. I feel it, too, man. You don't need to be a child or pretend to be a child to enjoy Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones--you need to have no need of fundamental rules of storytelling and coherence, no appreciation for the art of filmmaking and acting, no sense of grace, and no patience for the subtleties of tension and character development. You need, in other words, to be George Lucas. I hope you enjoy it, sir, your film is definitely something to behold.-Walter Chaw

  • May 18, 2002, 3:55 a.m. CST

    I liked it, a lot

    by Radd

    I had very moderate expectations for this film. I liked The Phantom Menace. I didn't think it was an amazing masterpiece of cinema, but it was watchable. A popcorn flick. Something to watch when there's not much else on. Kinda like Temple of Doom. But I LOVED the last few minutes, where everything looks all happy and nice...and then they announce the future Emperor has just been named Chancellor of the Republic. That moment made it for me. But otherwise, it was my least favourite of the series. Clones, on the other hand, had EVERYTHING I loved about the other films. Big explosions, cool looking spaceships, Jedi, lightsabres, and the battle to end all battles. It also shared the flaws of ALL of the other films. Stiff acting, bad dialogue, with a few good lines and a couple great performances mixed in with the rest. But it had a couple things that NONE of the other films had. For one thing, the whole fall of the Republic story that's going on is GREAT. I love that more than anything. Palpatine is the star of this story. And second, it had Yoda being The Man(tm)(r)(c). Seeing YODA fly into battle leading STORMTROOPERS made this movie one of my all time favourites I still think ILM is leaning too heavily on the CGI, a lot of what was done in CG in this film could have been done better with puppets and models. Sure it might have taken more work, but hey, that's what this is all supposed to be about right? Lucas doing it his way instead of taking the cheap and easy way that Studios look for, right?

  • May 18, 2002, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Sure the acting was a little weak here and there, and there was

    by Darth Ranik

    I really liked this film. If I had to actually rate the film, it would be tied with EP4 for second place right behind EP5. EP6 comes in at fourth, with EP1 running a distant fifth (and hopefully will be sent to a distant sixth in 2005). The movie was a visual splendor. The exotic and varried settings, all so rich and wonderfull to look at. Some great action sequences. Good character developement. Great music. It was just a ton of fun. Sure there is some corny dialog, nothing new to Star Wars. Some of the performances seemed a bit wooden...again nothing new. The Visual Effects were outrageous...par for the course. It just felt like Star Wars to me. I think EP3 is gonna be a home run shot out of the park after seeing EP2. And whoever didn't giggle with cinematic glee when Yoda held out his little hand and his lightsaber snapped off his belt and smacked into his little green palm...stick to television and chick flicks because you obviously are incapable of experiencing joy in a movie theater.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:04 a.m. CST

    After all the negavties, still was a net gain

    by plzabuzme

    I just hope in Ep.III Lucas doesn't play the "Sidious planned it that way" card to explain every gaping hole in the logic of the plot and the character's behavior.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Hey rack! Question for you.

    by Lezbo Milk

    You obviously don't like George Lucas's films, any of them. So why, with such a seething hatered of his work, did you even bother seeing the damn movie? You are entitled to your own opinion obviously, but why go see it when you despise everything the man has ever produced? Is it just so you could come on this site and spout off a bunch of big words and generally try and push everyones buttons? Do you get off on that kind of behaivior?

  • May 18, 2002, 4:07 a.m. CST

    good if not mediocre 160 minute toy commercial

    by 81666

    yoda was excellent. movie was okay. now go buy your jango fett electric toothbrush you fag nerds. -81666

  • May 18, 2002, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Ok I'm a dipshit...rack was referencing anothers review...so

    by Lezbo Milk

    Still if you agree with the guy you must have hated all Lucas's other films so I guess the question still stands...why the hell did you see it in the first place?

  • The one thing that Lucas seems to have forgotten is that good characters give viewers a vested interest in what happens to them. The first hour of this film was an excercise in detachment for me. Overall the film, IMO, was technically excellent in sound and visuals, but speaking to the soul, it was lacking. The chase in the city was visually impressive, but I never felt that Obi Wan / Anni were in any danger whatsoever, which really negated the fun of the whole thing. I was never asking myself -- damn! How are they going to get out of this?! What could go wrong now?! The love story has been beaten to death, so I'm not going to go into it... much. I just see it as lost opportunities for some potentially great scenes that didn't get the direction / acting they deserved. Padme never had any conflict on her face when denying Anakin (in any of the many scenes she could have), which would have helped sell her pre-arena confession a hell of a lot more. Anakin's stalker-love approach was just... creepy, but that sounds like what was written, so there you go. The stormtroopers were cool (better looking than the OT ones, IMO) and actually showed some decent ability in combat! A friend suggested that the emperor later must accelerate the cloning for the rest of the troopers, which explains why they're are all idiots in the later films... I could buy it. Yoda rocked. Why though did a minor player in the film (albeit a great character) steal the show? Because we got an answer to something everyone always wanted to know -- just how good is Yoda in a fight? Turns out he's damn good -- he's the one with the wallet that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it! And that's a problem, because that scene was there to appeal to the fans. Dooku could have easily just chopped an arm off, knocked them both out, and taken off with a chuckle with the same results. I should have cared about every character as much as Yoda -- but they never made me want to care about them. We never saw Padme and ObiWan in enough crisis to show character because they were never put in situations we've not seen them in before that would allow them to grow. No one but Anakin got a chance to have their mettle tested under extreme duress in a new way. What Anakin said to Padme was very true and very disturbing -- she hasn't changed at all. In 10 years since TPM, she's pretty much the SAME person she was before... uh, people change in 10 years -- especially those in office. Yoda changed. We assumed he was a bad ass, and now we know because he was forced to prove it. No one else but Anakin had such an opportunity in the film, and that's a disappointment, IMO.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Awesome Harry!

    by sparticusmaximus

    I just saw it for a 3rd time (1st time digital), and it is more POWERFUL every time. Man I love young Obi-Wan (Ewan...YOU ROCK!).......And Hayden Christensen's face when he confessed to slaughtering the whole tusken tribe....with the Emperor's music playing in the background......Chills man....chills....And did anyone notice Williams using a variation of Obi-Wan's "sneaking around the Death Star" motif during his spying on Geonosis........Fantastic. Man.....The wait for EP3 is going to be unbearable.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Boooorrrr-innngggg

    by fuldamobil

    This is the first time I've officially not liked a Star Wars film. Dull, talky, confusing. There is no pay-off. The first film was set-up; this film is all set-up. Ep. III better be pretty fucking good.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Anyway....

    by symon

    Great movie - a ton of fun. Sure - the acting was sometimes dull, and the love scenes run a bit long, and Anakin building C3PO still makes no sense - but fuck that shit, it was fun - like Star Wars should be. And when Yoda steps into the room with Dooku - the crowd went crazy. Incredible scene. Yoda takes no pleasure in kicking ass - but when he's gotta do it - he does it right. I loved how as soon as the battle was over he picked up his cane with the force and hobbled off again. Total humility - very Jedi. I liked this Anakin too - almost made me forget the little Arian kid who couldn't act in Episode I - which still sucks no matter what, so deal with it. Denial is not a good place to be - the movie went against most of the first trilogy. But this one doesn't, and that's really the point. Now if only he could get Lawrence Kasdan to help him write Episode 3. We can all see how much having at least somebody help him right this one did for the movie. PS - When SOMEONE writes their TALKBACK in all CAPITAL LETTERS, I DON'T BOTHER TO FUCKING READ IT. maybe that's just me.......

  • May 18, 2002, 4:25 a.m. CST

    People like Herb and CapMisery are bitches

    by EPdefender

    Reading posts like yours are hilarious, since you nitpick every little detail. People like you are the biggest bitches ever. Mellow out. Your existence is pathetic. Seriously, people get a life. Or better yet, go commit suicide so you can be put out of your own misery. Its just a movie. Your sorry ass will be back for episode 3 regardless of your bitching. Lucas owns your soul.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Attachment Is Forbidden

    by Bald Evil

    Well, right there is the reason why Anakin did not (or was not allowed) to return and free his mother on Tatooine. The Jedi Order takes children when they are near infants to train them properly to prevent emotional attachments from clouding their judgment and influencing their decisions. I can see them discouraging, or even forbidding, Anakin to pursue any contact with his mother. My own guess as to why Anakin will eventually go over to the Dark Side has something to do with this, among other things. Why was Shmi kidnapped,held hostage, and tortured for over a month by Tusken Raiders, notorious for not taking hostages or leaving witnesses? Because they were compelled to by a will much stronger than their own (Sidious, perhaps, but more likely Dooku). Her anguish was intended to push Anakin's buttons and force him toward his dark retaliation. My further guess is that at some point, the Jedi Council and/or Obi-Wan will be fingered for KNOWING what had happened and not telling him (which they may have done), setting him even further into opposition. And finally, that Dooku will be revealed as the mastermind of this plot, sending Anakin after him for vengeance, and completing his passage to the Dark Side. Then, Obi-Wan goes after him, they fight, Anakin is maimed, rescued by Sidious, nursed back to health with a deep and unhinged hatred for the Jedi and all their works, and trained by Sidious as his new apprentice. The plan also has the advantage of ridding Sidious of Dooku's potential threat, and giving him a much more pliable apprentice Sith. How's that sound?

  • May 18, 2002, 4:42 a.m. CST

    I agree with Shade and Rain Dog

    by Jimbits

    I wanted to love this movie. After the abomination of TPM, I was precarious at first but was whipped up into a frenzy by the hype and the trailers yet again. So on opening night, I went down to the same local cinema where I've watched the other five parts over the past 25 years or so and prepared to have my faith reaffirmed. What a joke! Once again, Lucas hits us with another contrived, poorly written, badly edited, soulless, glossed over, CGI dependent piece of trash. Mind you, at least his direction seems to have improved since TPM. I'll admit, I thought it started well. Yes it was a little slow and it as if we may actually get the first intelligent piece of pop culture since 1981 but this was no ESB and it seems you fanboys think that asteroids, bounty hunters and severed limbs are enough to make the comparison. AOTC had it's moments (I actually liked most of the parts others hated...chase through Coruscant, parts of the droid factory) but it was downhill all the way after the Tusken Raider slaughter. As for the Harryhausen meets Gladiator meets Black Hawk Down arena thing...I'm still trying to blank it. Like I said it had it's good parts and some of the imagery had real potency like Anakin's shadow and silhouette resembling Vader, Boba picking up his father's helmet, the almost hallucinogenic lightsaber duel between Dooku and Anakin but the rest was pretty dire. Living in England, we have yet to see Spiderman but if it's a CGI infested piece of crap like this then I'll give up hope altogether. Doesn't anybody ever tell these filmmakers that it still looks fake? In ESB Yoda was one of the greatest special effects up to that point. An amazing piece of sculpture and puppeteering (like ET) and the makers covered any short fallings with immaculate lighting. In this movie we get a cartoonish cross breed of Colonel Kilgore and Fozzie Bear. "Surf you must, or fight. Like victory does napalm smell like in the morning my young padawan learners

  • May 18, 2002, 4:42 a.m. CST

    UTTER DISAPPOINTMENT

    by DECKERS

    After seeing AOTC last night I just had to post this. This film is not in the same league as EP 4,5&6. The dialogue was so sub-daytime soap you wonder how it ever got into the final production. The story was convoluted and boring. The CGI was patchy and downright TERRIBLE in some scenes. The scenes involving the stormy open sea and especially the final scene when the federation ships took off (compare to the rebel evatuation of Hoth in Empire-made 20 YEARS AGO)looked 2-D animation never mind CGI, I have seen better on an episode of ST Voyager. As said before, it all looked like a Sony Playstation game. Memo to George PLEASE GO BACK TO REAL SETS AND PROPER MODELS FOR EP3, YOU CAN AFFORD IT. I noticed too the actors even seemed to be looking in the wrong places when talking to CGI characters. The BIG effects scenes all smacked of been there, done that. In summary, Harry : I don't know what brown, thick envelope was passed to you by George to help sell this to the fans, but in future I will be taking your reviews with 'a pinch of salt'.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:43 a.m. CST

    captain misery

    by Usul

    Excuse me captain. Get your shit straight.....you don't love star wars, you hate it. And I don't think it likes you very much. I talked to Yoda and he thinks you're lame. Much anger he senses in you.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:47 a.m. CST

    CaptainMisery, i'm suprised by your shallowness

    by Sigue Sigue

    I dont want to be too nasty but you kind of asked for this by taking so many shots at the plot and missing it completely. First of all i think that if you apply your electron microscope to the beloved original trilogy you'll find just as much unexplained sillyness. Second if any of the star wars films have a right to have lots of unexplained plot points its this one. In other words why don't you wait until you've seen the rest of the movie before you start complaining about unanswered questions? Most of your issues are very much suspect to having their reasons revealed in episode 3. As for why Jango wanted his own clone well give me a reason why you have a son and i think you'll answer your own question. I was under the impression that he was just an ordinary guy trying to make his way in the universe. "Editing/Pacing. The juxtaposition between OB1's search and Anakin's Tatooine adventure was laughable. Just when something got interesting we were whisked across the galaxy to look at something else." I honestly dont know what the hell you're thinking with this one. Not only does every star wars film use this technique but every film that has multiple stories taking place uses it if it wants to have any chance of being interesting and engaging. They teach this in editing 101. Why bother with the arena creature scene at all. If you're Dooku and the fate of your galactic plans is in jeapordy because of three solitary figures. YOU KILL THEM OUTRIGHT. You don't bother with some lame Gladiator antics. Why leave ANYTHING to chance?" Come on, you really think Dooku wanted them dead? You really didn't understand the plot at all then. You probably think that Dooku was REALLY trying to kill obi-wan right before anakin jumped up to block him too. "'Begun, these Clone Wars have,' says Yoda. What the hell is he talking about? Who are they battling? Looks to me like the lame Trade Federation's Droid army was defeated AGAIN" Appearantly you're thinking like obi-wan was before he was corrected by Yoda who seems to know something that the 3 of us don't. Also, were you in the bathroom during the round table scene? It's not just the trade federation anymore. This thing is much bigger now. "The scene between OB1 and the Cloners was the most absurd I've seen in a long time. More than once he looked stunned and expressed amazement at their revelations. Yet they never pick up on this and offer him a tour of the factory." Why should they worry about this? For all they know obi-wan's just the new guy who wasn't fully briefed. After all he comes from the organization that placed the order and theres nothing illegitamate about what they're doing. I'm not trying to be a dick i just get frustrated when people think that the plot was horrible when it seems to me like they just didn't understand it fully. And honestly nobody's supposed to understand it fully yet. This is by far the most complicated and sophisticated plot of any star was film. I think people just don't expect that from star wars and tend not to see it because of that. Its not even finished yet.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:51 a.m. CST

    well, lezbo ....

    by rack

    because, like many who have been sodomized by king george, i am a sucker .... fodder for the machine. i am powerless to resist a chance to capture the old magic. by far the most interesting part of this entire discussion (and thread) is not the movie (no sh!t, sherlock), but the different directions that those who saw the original trilogy as adolescents followed into adulthood. speaking for myself, after watching eps 1 & 2, i had to watch the original trilogy again to reassure myself that the entire franchise wasn't crap and that my whole teenage star wars love-jones wasn't just some techno wet dream gone bad. i am seeing a very real diversity in response to this movie. i'd be interested in seeing a summary of reviews by fans across age demographics. are most of the fans that like ep 1 (and/or) 2 in their teens or early 20's? .... or are they legitimate baby boomers in their 40's and 50's? if the latter is the case, it makes for a more interesting study. if you, lezbo, fall into the former, your response is easier to categorize. if not, well ..... expectations vary

  • May 18, 2002, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Hey......

    by SilentType

    Why didn't Jango's head fall out of his helmet when Boba picks it up? That would've been hilarious!!! I loved this film. George done good!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:08 a.m. CST

    The dialogue

    by Sigue Sigue

    Yes there were some cheezy or lifeless lines in there but most of the dialogue was fantastic. Do a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch most of you guys?

  • May 18, 2002, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Well Done Cpt. Misery

    by SilentType

    As I said, I LOVE this film.....I watched it twice on day one and will enjoy it again this weekend....but I've just read Cpt. Misery's post........and he makes some valid points. Come on guys. NO movie is perfect (Except for my little film THE SILENT TYPE - heh heh). I love someone being able to point out the faults with the film, and I simply stand by my own opinion. Well done Cpt. Misery, you are a brave man. (But did you really call your kid Luke Skywalker....poor kid!)

  • May 18, 2002, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Sadly it's a miserably bad movie...

    by the_pissboy1

    I was a big fan of these films as a kid, then I saw Menace. I had high hopes for clones. Then I saw it. How could Lucas' dialogue and direction and pacing get WORSE?! Aren't directors supposed to get better with experience? BTW, Harry's on crack if he thinks "I'm just a man trying to make my way in the universe" or any of Lucas' other crappy lines are good. Make my way in the universe? Lame. Thank God we have Terminator and Aliens and Blade runner.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:16 a.m. CST

    please post your age .....

    by rack

    along with your assessment of AOTC. help me make some sense of this.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Pissboy

    by Sigue Sigue

    Where is this bad pacing i keep hearing about? Give me some examples.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Heyden Christiansen will never work again

    by Porcupine

    There's a point in AOTC where the movie really becomes as brilliant as the old trilogy. Problem is, this happens ten minutes before the movie ends. I'm talking about the bit where Mr Miyagi - whoops! I mean Yoda - comes and saves OB1 and Anakin. This is a seriously cool moment, even if it is borrowed from Karate Kid Part III. But apart from that scene, this is a movie in which NOTHING HAPPENS! How could Lucas do this? I hated TPM but at least it had a couple of good action scenes. AOTC has none! A Star Wars movie without any action!!!!????? And even worse: the movie was constantly interrupted by footage from a Playstation videogame, particularly in the last hour. Why? This completely screwed up the flow of the movie. I'm NOT INTERESTED in watching a video game! A terrible, terrible movie, which was even worse than TPM. And Fucking Jesus - who will employ Hayden Christiansen after this? I mean, at least Natalie Portman is already established in other movies, but Christiansen's career is now doomed to follow the path of Mark Hamill and Jake Lloyd. "A complete waste of time, this movie is". (quote from Yoda which didn't make the final cut)

  • May 18, 2002, 5:36 a.m. CST

    by Rhedeye

    oh mother of god, Star Wars ruled! I don't understand that all critics love Spiderman and are hammering Star Wars Episode 2.. Spiderman is an enjoyable movie, but the CGI sucks big time compared to Star Wars Episode 2. and the Green Goblin is the worst looking villian ever! ~then comes Star Wars episode 2 around. with awesome CGi. only the anakin ride on one of those mammals looked very fake. but Yoda looked awesome! and then all the story plots. I loved it! the only thing I hope will be explained in part 3 is that in episode 1 . Jabba the Hutt had a wife next to him. but in the latter episodes he is only byhimself. so what happened to his wife? for the rest I am toally happy and have already seen this movie twice! Star Wars 2 is awesome. episode 1 I ddidn't like much, but episode 2 is da shit. I just can't wait for episode 3 . it will rock!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Clones

    by Mogran

    I think I've seen a different version to Harry. The movie I saw had no character called Padme in it and was laden with turgid scenes set in sterile rooms stuffed with exposition. Why didn't George show us Annakin's dreams of his mother's pain instead of subjecting us to yet another conversation between the two Jedis as they walked down a corridor? On the whole, very pretty to look at but again I felt as though I was watching a promo for the video game as the story failed to engage me. Is it worth waiting for the next instalment? Nah, roll on the Two Towers, now there's a killer story and Jackson knows how to get good (or indeed any) performances from his actors.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:36 a.m. CST

    CaptinMisery

    by dogfish112

    Wow, where to even begin with the lumbering monstrosity that was Attack of the Clones? As a devout Star Wars Fan for most of my life ( I was 6 when A New Hope was released) and the man who can truly say "Luke, I am your father." since my son's name is legally Luke Skywalker (THATS REALLY STUPID YOUR AN IDIOT) I feel I am more than qualified to write some prose about the Clones(BECAUSE YOUR AN IDIOT AND GAVE YOUR KIDS FRIENDS A REASON TO TEASE HIM FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. AS A MATTER OF FACT YOUR NOT QUALIFIED TO PRO-CREATE) Let me just get it out of the way - Attack of the Clones is a bad film (THATS SAD). Simple as that. It's mediocre filmmaking dressed up with some very cool special effects. Story has been sacrificed on the altar of eye candy and gee whiz technical images. From the opening scenes the film fizzles, let's take it by numbers - 1. Padme's ship is blown up in a failed assasination attempt. Completely without drama. We know that the a main character like Padme is in no danger of dying at the outset of the film (ITS SETTING UP THE FILM HOW ELSE CAN THEY EFFECTIVELY BRING PADME AND ANAKIN TOGETHER WITH DRAMA). Coupled with the fact that she is clearly seen getting out of the Naboo Fighter and you have a scene that is supposed to elicit fear but only really succeeds in pointing out Lucas' shortcomings as a Director/Writer. (WE ALL KNOW THAT PADME AND ANAKIN HAVE CHILDREN, ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT SHE IS NOT IN ANY REAL PERIL, ITS SETTING UP HER MEETING WITH ANAKIN )2. The film moves nowhere after this scene. The next few are nothing but talking heads. This is STAR WARS - let's see something.(SORRY TO TELL YOU BUT THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY HAD TALKING AS WELL) Anything. 3. Zam Wessel - a SHAPESHIFTER -it's mentioned in the film for crying out loud. What's the point of hiring a bounty hunter who can shape shift is SHE IS NOT GOING TO DO IT TO ELUDE DETECTION!!! There's no point!(OKAY I CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT ONE) 4. Why does Jango not kill the Jedi's? He doesn't even attempt (HE'S DRAWING OBI-WAN TO KAMINO WHY ELSE WOULD HE USE AN EASIBLY IDENTIFIABLE DART. HE HAS TO BRING THE JEDI TO KAMINO TO DISCOVER THE CLONES). If he's that worried about being detected what's 2 more darts? Also, if Zam would have just deactivated the assasin droid instead of trying some ridiculous skeet practice OB1 and Anakin wouldn't have even known who had send the robot in the first place! THESE ARE DETAILS TAUGHT IN SCREENWRITING 101!(OKAY I GUESS YOU MUST BE QUENTIN TARINTINO) 5. Could Anakin be anymore creepy when he's stroking Padme's back and talking about soft things? (OKAY ANAKIN IS OBSESIVELY IN LOVE WITH PADME WHICH LEADS TO HIS EVENTUAL TURN TO THE DARK SIDE) 6. The scene between OB1 and the Cloners was the most absurd I've seen in a long time. More than once he looked stunned and expressed amazement at their revelations. Yet they never pick up on this and offer him a tour of the factory. They can clone humans but have no idea about human behavior? Staggering (RELAX ITS A MOVIE. 7. Editing/Pacing. The juxtaposition between OB1's search and Anakin's Tatooine adventure was laughable. Just when something got interesting we were whisked across the galaxy to look at something else. One cut even confuses the audience. Start with a shot of Anakin in the desert and then jump to OB1 in a similiar environment. Who's on the rocks? No idea. Way to go, George(I AGREE I DIDN'T LIKE HOW IT JUMPED AROUND). 8. Shmi - no explanation as to why she has been kept alive for 30 days in the middle of the desert. Did she have something that the Tusken's wanted? Zero explanation. They've killed over 20 men at this point but left her alive. Presumably to let her die in her son's arms. How thoughtful those pesky Sandpeople are! Give me a break. (SHE'S A FEMALE MAYBE THEY RAPED HER REPEATEDLY OR SOMETHING) 9. Lars Garage scene - Anakin confesses that he has killed an entire village. Is this supposed to turn Padme on? You're so crazy, Ani, let's make out. Completely odd. This turn of events proves that Padme deserves whatever fate befalls her. Ladies, if your boyfriend confesses to having killed an entire village of anything the best thing to do is RUN.(YEAH I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SHE WASN'T REVOLTED MAYBE SHE FELT SORRY FOR HIM) 10. Jango Fett - we have another installment of the ol' Let's Get a Great Star Wars Character and Kill 'em Off Soon. No backstory on Jango. No motivation as to why he wants his own clone (AH MAYBE MONEY!!!). No history. No wants, needs, desires, or any of the stuff that makes us human(BOUNTY HUNTER = $$$$). When things get tough in the arena a real Bounty Hunter would have got the hell out. It's not his fight! Get your Clone Kid and go! (AGAIN HE IS WELL PAID) 11. Mace decides to round up the Jedi and kick some butt so he gets.....all 12 of 'em? (THE OTHERS WERE ELSE WHERE DEALING WITH THE SEPARATISTS, THEY SAY THIS IN THE MOVIE) Where the hell are the rest of the Jedi?(MACE SAID THAT HE WOULD ROUND UP ALL THE JEDI'S LEFT IN CORUSCANT BECAUSE THE REST ARE DEALING WITH THE SEPARATISTS) No wonder Vader was able to wipe them all out. There were hardly any left! (YOUR STUPID) That's like being proud of yourself because you can finish off an individual pizza unaided. 12. Why bother with the arena creature scene at all. If you're Dooku and the fate of your galactic plans is in jeapordy because of three solitary figures. YOU KILL THEM OUTRIGHT. (HE'S TRYING TO START A WAR HE WANTS TO ATTRACT ATTENTION) You don't bother with some lame Gladiator antics. Why leave ANYTHING to chance? Also, if you're dead set on some kind of sporting event why not get 3 of the same creature? Why bother with the lame cat monster who can be knocked senseless by a 115 pound girl? 13. Ree-Yees Character - he speaks perfect english in Phantom Menace but in AOTC he grunts and has to be subtitled. (Sorry, this just bugged me)(WHATEVER). 14. Padme gets up from being dropped out of the Republic Ship and says, "We have to get to that Hangar." How the hell would she know where to go? (SHE KNEW THAT THEY WERE ON THE WAY TO THE HANGER BEFORE SHE FELL) The chase continued for what looked like 100 miles from the time she was dumped out. SHE WOULD NOT KNOW THIS. Absurd. 15. Anakin gets the biggest cheer when he picks up and fights with 2 lightsabers. THIS ELATION LASTS ABOUT 4 SECONDS as the fight is reduced to single sabers only. What, could Hayden not learn more than a few moves with both sabers? WHY TAKE IT AWAY SO SOON? (TO SHOW THAT DOOKU IS MORE POWERFUL) 16. Yoda stops fighting long enough to stop a pillar from falling on our two heroes. WHY MOVE IT ASIDE INSTEAD OF CRASHING IT INTO DOOKU'S SHIP AND DISABLING IT? Because Dooku has to get away, that's why! Unbelievable.(TO MOVE THE PILLER A FEW FEET DOESN'T TAKE AS MUCH ENERGY AS MOVING IT SEVERAL METERS HE USED ALOT OF HIS FORCE POWERS DURING HIS FIGHT WITH DOOKU) 17. "You'll pay for the Jedi who have fallen here today!" What, both of them? (SEVERAL DIED IF YOU WERE PAYING ANY ATTENTION) 18. Sidious/Palpatine/Emperor - just drop the charade. It was lame in Phantom Menace and it's lamer in Clones. (THERE IS PROBABLY A REASON WHICH WE'LL LEARN IN EPISODE III) 18. "Begun, these Clone Wars have," says Yoda. What the hell is he talking about? Who are they battling? Looks to me like the lame Trade Federation's Droid army was defeated AGAIN. Just gonna give some more time to make some more lame robots? (GENOSIS IS NOT THE ONLY PLANET WITH SEPARATISTS THERE ARE SEVERAL SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE TO BATTLE NOW) Why not finish now. And how are they Clone Wars? Why aren't the Droid Wars. We don't usually name our wars after our own soldiers do we? "Let's fight the American Wars!" Yet another groan inducing line. 19. Anakin's arm trapped in metal -why not just turn your lightsaber on?(IT WASN'T WORKING AND HE DIDN'T HAVE IT. HE DROPPED IT EARLIER) It will probably cut right through that metal. 20. LIGHTSABER MADNESS - Anakin and OB1 lose enough Lightsabers to arm a few dozen Jedis. I thought the final step in becoming a Jedi was constructing your own saber. That's only in the future, Luke, in the past they gave 'em out like Pez Dispensers. "Here's your Father's Saber, Luke, one of twenty or so he had." Kind of takes the shine out that scene doesn't it?! There go you -20 reasons why AOTC is a bad film. Love to hear someone explain away these plot holes/logic flaws. I love Star Wars and it pains me to point these out but I think George has gotten too big for this franchise. People are afraid to tell him that something is a bad idea. He has too many digital tools at his fingertips. It starts and ends with people, not cool ships and great backgrounds. Take a tip from the other big film this summer, Mr. Lucas - "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility." Signed - A DISENCHANTED STAR WARS FAN (I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU MAYBE WHEN EPISODE III COMES OUT YOU SHOULD STAY HOME)

  • May 18, 2002, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Porcupine

    by Sigue Sigue

    "But apart from that scene, this is a movie in which NOTHING HAPPENS!" I've heard other people say this and i have no idea what any of you are talking about. Define what "something happening" means to you. "I hated TPM but at least it had a couple of good action scenes. AOTC has none! A Star Wars movie without any action!!!!?????" I don't get it. Are you being sarcastic?

  • May 18, 2002, 5:48 a.m. CST

    BrianJones

    by Sigue Sigue

    "Whatever happened to the 'mind is more powerful than physical strength' Yoda that hooked us all in empire and Jedi?" Uhh, nothing. He's still there. But he's also a very powerful Jedi. Did you expect him to roll over and play dead?

  • May 18, 2002, 5:51 a.m. CST

    EZ 2 pleez ......

    by rack

    can't beleive the # of posts that read: sure, the (acting was stiff, dialogue was lame, plot had no flow to it, etc etc) .... but it was star wars ... and there were explosions ... and it was a helluva lot better than ep 1. no wonder hollywood is so enamoured with special effects over substance. if the target audience is willing to accept "mediocre" .... why bother going to the trouble of creating a quality film experience. on the plus side, if ep 2 is as much fun (or more)than a tug-of-war with your hand and your micro/soft joystick ... then there is no need for hollywood to raise the bar. why pay for steak when they are happy with hamburger.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:56 a.m. CST

    You negative people are fucking idiots....

    by Marek

    You all pick out the most insignificant reasons to hate this movie. Almost everyone of you fucks asks why no one remembers 3PO and why he doesn't remember.... fucking idiots. I guarentee you that most of the shit you complain about will be cleared up in the next film. Who fucking cares why c3po doesn't remember? Like others have said, if you didn't like this film, you are not a Star Wars fan to begin with. The original trilogy had just as much if not much more corny ass dialogue. Go through Empire and I guarentee you will find as much corny shit. You pieces of shit would rip any movie that came out today, fuck if Lawrence of Arabia, or 2001 or Star Wars came out now everyone would find some reason to rip it apart. And to the pieces of shit who say that AOTC was an abomination, Fuck You. Go watch Tomb Raider, or JP3, or any Battlefield Earth. Those are bad movies. AOTC was great. Most of you fucks pick shit apart and hate because it is trendy and "cool" to hate popular films. Fuck, Spiderman was a piece of shit compared to AOTC. Now that movie had worse dialogue, acting, villans, CGI and any other part. Fuck the nitpickers.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:56 a.m. CST

    AOTC down to 55% on Rottentomatoes. LUCAS,STOP MAKING MOVIES

    by chicagojones

    That's compared to 84% for Spiderman, 96% for LOTR and 58% for TPM. That figure feels right to me. George really needed to make AOTC a hit but it is actually the worst of the Star Wars films. Shit, after seeing it I watched Empire Strikes Back again just to make sure I wasn't fooling muself. I wasn't. ESB is fucking brilliant. Folks, we're all disappointed in TPM and especially AOTC. So here's the antidote: get out your Empire Strikes Back tape, put it in the machine; sit back and enjoy the sheer quality of the storytelling. Feel that strange sense of awe and wonder as a MUPPET(!) makes a spaceship levitate. Feel inspired as said muppet talks about the mystical nature of the Force. Yes, that's right: a muppet is giving you goosebumps. Experience that sick nightmarish feeling as Luke sees a vision of Darth Vader in the cave. Enjoy the terrific sexy/comic banter between Han, Leia and 3PO as they try to escape the clutches of the Empire. Watch the sheer visual poetry as the Millenium Falcon skims the surface of a huge asteroid. (remember when special effects actually looked.....SPECIAL?)And finally, experience the sadness of being left behind by characters you care about when the rebel fleet heads into the distance in the final shot. And then say to yourself: THIS is why we love Star Wars. And THIS is why the new movies are not Star Wars films. Lucas, for the love of God, don't make any more.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:12 a.m. CST

    someone tell knowles to ........

    by rack

    swallow .... his mouth is full and lucas has gone home.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:18 a.m. CST

    chicagojones

    by Sigue Sigue

    "Feel that strange sense of awe and wonder as a MUPPET(!) makes a spaceship levitate. Feel inspired as said muppet talks about the mystical nature of the Force. Yes, that's right: a muppet is giving you goosebumps." I thought that they captured that Yoda perfectly in AOTC. I couldn't stand the Yoda in TPM. I got my Yoda back in episode 2. The sadness in his eyes when he senses Anakin's pain is just beautiful. I really thought they nailed that muppet look with the CGI Yoda. "Watch the sheer visual poetry as the Millenium Falcon skims the surface of a huge asteroid. (remember when special effects actually looked.....SPECIAL?)" It's funny because this is exactly the kind of visual quality that was revived in AOTC. It was totally absent from TPM. Contrary to what most people think, for me it was a return to effects for visual beauty's and imagination's sake instead of effects for gee-whiz eye-candy. "Experience that sick nightmarish feeling as Luke sees a vision of Darth Vader in the cave." You didn't get a similar feeling when anakin indulged his hatred and slaughtered the tuskens? That was one of the most powerful moments in the entire saga for me.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Mace Windu

    by Fernwick_

    This should have been in AOTC. Mace, which lightsaber is yours? Its the one that says " Bad Motherfucker!" Nuff Said :)

  • May 18, 2002, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Darth Spooky

    by Destroya

    Could you think a LITTLE harder before you crap stuff out of your mouth? Maybe the reason the people who were saying Episode 2 was going to suck for months haven't replied yet in this forum is BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CARE ENOUGH TO SEE IT OPENING DAY! God man, use your head.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Disappointment

    by Peareth

    I had to watch Empire last night to remind me what a good Star Wars Movie was like. We should of seen Anakin Execute more Raiders and cut when he discovered the Women and Children in the tents, that would of been cool. The Fights scenes should of been longer, come on Vadar and Luke in Empire was an epic fight. I know im gonna watch Clones again on Sunday and again when my mate comes down from Uni, but I know i'm gonna cringe when Dooku has to tell the audience he's gonna pull out his saber? What the fuck?

  • May 18, 2002, 6:25 a.m. CST

    HE IS NOT DREAMING, IS MASTURBATING

    by VincentSpain

    wow, Padme is such a bitch!!! Well, Yoda rocks.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Marek and AOTC apologists: You are complete morons

    by Fanbot#1

    You haven't understood anything. It is BECAUSE we ARE SW fans that we have major problems with TPM and AOTC. Who are you to decide who is a SW fan and who is not? I went into this movie with two attitudes: Firstly, with my expectations lowered way down - treating the movie as an effects showreel without a plot or characters that I would enjoy on a really shallow level. In this way I quite enjoyed it. BUT ONLY BECAUSE I did NOT regard this as a Star Wars movie. I put it in the same class as JP3, Battlefield Earth, The Mummy Returns etc (though The Mummy Returns was better tham AOTC.) My second attitude was to watch this movie as a Star Wars fan. In this department, AOTC sucks balls. It just isn't a Star Wars movie, simple as that. It becomes a Star Wars movie right at the end in the lightsaber showdown, thanks to Christopher Lee - now there's a man who knows how to play a villain! - and also thanks to Yoda. But just when the movie starts to get interesting........it ends!!!!!! So in conclusion, if you watch AOTC as a Star Wars fan, you're going to be disappointed. If you watch in the same way you'd watch Battlefield Earth (knowing it's terrible but haughing a laugh anyway) - then you'll have a reasonably entertaining time. Hope that clears up your confusion, Marek (and all other AOTC apologists).

  • May 18, 2002, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Romance in AOTC is horrible, we must admit this fact .People was

    by VincentSpain

    but i liked the movie, specially that THE SEARCHER

  • May 18, 2002, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Qui-Gon Jinn could have been EVIL

    by maggot96

    Hey, has anyone thought that maybe Qui-Gon was the Jedi who deleted the planet from the Archives, and he was working with Count Dooku etc, and he made the request for the Clone Army? cause they say that the request was made 10 years ago (when the last film was set...when he died), and that would explain why his body didnt disintegrate, (Darth Vader's didnt disintegrate either....cause he was evil too). Cause remember when Count Dooku is talking about Qui-Gon, and he says that he wishes he was still here, cause he needs his help? And think about it, Yoda trained Dooku(evil), he trained Qui-Gon(maybe evil), and he trained Kenobi(not evil, but definatley flawed), and he trained Anakin(EVIL). Anyway, its just something me and my mate TheSilentType have been pondering, cause there is DEFINATLEY something very unusual with the whole Jedi that was supposedly killed prior to 10 years before, archives being deleted by ONLY a Jedi etc etc...Anyway, just something to ponder......MAYBE an alternative view on the story perhaps :)

  • May 18, 2002, 6:34 a.m. CST

    by damo26

    Episode 2, I am sad to say, does mark the beginning of the end for Star Wars and it has to be accepted. George Lucas is clearly not the visionary Rick McCallum likes to think he is, and has clearly lost his way. And if you think that yoda looks good like that you must be out of your fucking mind. The fact that Spielberg has rated this the second greatest in the saga is interesting. Lucas and he have a great deal in common. Like fucking up their best loved creatures at the hands at the hands of cgi. They also both wear glasses....maybe they need to get the lenses checked ?

  • May 18, 2002, 6:35 a.m. CST

    I REALLY wanted to love this.....

    by MrSINISTER

    Ok...let me start by saying that I am total Star Wars fan. I grew up with the ANH, ESB and ROTJ and LOVED them all (even ROTJ)!!! I waited MANY, MANY years for more Star Wars and my prayers were finally answered with TPM. Sadly though, the film did NOT live up to my hopes and dreams. Far from it!! There were good points -though not many. Darth Maul was very cool but very little else shone. It set the scene I suppose but ultimately it was flat, and lifeless. The poor acting, weak dialogue, left me with NO apathy for any of the characters. Now, here we are 3 years later and I have just seen AOTC a few hours ago. And....well....I really don

  • May 18, 2002, 6:36 a.m. CST

    cgi is shit

    by damo26

    Episode 2, I am sad to say, does mark the beginning of the end for Star Wars and it has to be accepted. George Lucas is clearly not the visionary Rick McCallum likes to think he is, and has clearly lost his way. And if you think that yoda looks good like that you must be out of your fucking mind. The fact that Spielberg has rated this the second greatest in the saga is interesting. Lucas and he have a great deal in common. Like fucking up their best loved creatures at the hands at the hands of cgi. They also both wear glasses....maybe they need to get the lenses checked ?

  • May 18, 2002, 6:38 a.m. CST

    cgi is shit

    by damo26

    Episode 2, I am sad to say, does mark the beginning of the end for Star Wars and it has to be accepted. George Lucas is clearly not the visionary Rick McCallum likes to think he is, and has clearly lost his way. And if you think that yoda looks good like that you must be out of your fucking mind. The fact that Spielberg has rated this the second greatest in the saga is interesting. Lucas and he have a great deal in common. Like fucking up their best loved creatures at the hands of cgi. They also both wear glasses....maybe they need to get the lenses checked ?

  • May 18, 2002, 6:38 a.m. CST

    cgi is shit

    by damo26

    Episode 2, I am sad to say, does mark the beginning of the end for Star Wars and it has to be accepted. George Lucas is clearly not the visionary Rick McCallum likes to think he is, and has clearly lost his way. And if you think that yoda looks good like that you must be out of your fucking mind. The fact that Spielberg has rated this the second greatest in the saga is interesting. Lucas and he have a great deal in common. Like fucking up their best loved creatures at the hands of cgi. They also both wear glasses....maybe they need to get the lenses checked ?

  • May 18, 2002, 6:44 a.m. CST

    shit

    by damo26

    That's right, Yoda looked shit.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I have to agree with Alexandra Dupont....

    by Almost Sexy

    I didn't really feel like I was being told a story. There just wasn't a lot of cohesion to it. To the person above who said the people that didn't get the plot should do their homework: since when is "homework" a pre-requisite for enjoying, much less watching, a movie? The idea of homework for a film is pretty zany (no offense intended). Yes, I understand the implications of the political machinations in the film, but I don't feel like there's a dramatic arc in the film. I know, I know...this is only one chapter out of a six part story. But given the fact that this is presented on its own without the other parts, it would have been nice to have felt like the story had ended at the end of a chapter, and not the middle of a page. Plot (at least as far as I understand it, involves conflict and resolution, and in order to give the impression that something has been resolved in this film, they throw a big battle at you so you don't notice that not a lot else happens (an argument which could also be leveled at LOTR: FOTR). I feel Ms. Dupont also nailed it when she said that by the time she got to the arena battle, she felt that the film-makers had all but given up on the story. I know Lucas is telling the story his own way, (and hey, believe me when I say I'm all for self-indulgence when it comes to following your dream), but it seems like about an hour's worth of story happens in about 140 minutes. Of course, seeing as how I don't see why Anakin "needed" to be nine years old for the "story" to "work" in The Phantom Menace...Ah skip it. Finally, to the people that say politicians and Jedis are just stiff in general: Wasn't there a princess in the original movies, who was quite animated, when not busy gesticulating vehemently? And don't tell me Msr. Kenobi was stiff. His performance was all over his face. I think when people say that the acting is stiff or wooden, they're not expecting big-screen histrionics, just some vocal inflection and facial movement. They just want to be convinced quietly. Snr. Guinness brought a lot of weight to his performance, without a jot or iota of scenery-chewing. As for Peter Cushing, he's not stiff for a minute. Prim, unctuous, officious, all of the above, meshuggina, but not wooden. Oh and arrogant and smug as well too (before I proofread this, in the preceding clause I had written "arrogant and stiff," instead of "arrogant and smug." That would have made me look pretty silly.) In short, I didn't really feel like I saw a whole film, you know. I felt like the narrative thread was just left dangling. All of that being said, I'm glad that all of the people that enjoyed it had fun. No malice or ill-will is intended in my comments.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Ben's spontaneous ageing

    by damo26

    And another thing....why am I the only one to have noticed that ILM make a lame attempt at prematurely ageing McGregor outside the night-club?? Didn't any of you notice that during his 'this weapon is your life' speech he suddenly starts sprouting greyer whiskers and his face shrivels??!! (I'm not joking, either.)What the fuck are they doing, experimenting for Episode 3??

  • May 18, 2002, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Ben's spontaneous ageing

    by damo26

    And another thing....why am I the only one to have noticed that ILM make a lame attempt at prematurely ageing McGregor outside the night-club?? Didn't any of you notice that during his 'this weapon is your life' speech he suddenly starts sprouting greyer whiskers and his face shrivels??!! (I'm not joking, either.)What the fuck are they doing, experimenting for Episode 3??

  • May 18, 2002, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Ben's spontaneous ageing

    by damo26

    And another thing....why am I the only one to have noticed that ILM make a lame attempt at prematurely ageing McGregor outside the night-club?? Didn't any of you notice that during his 'this weapon is your life' speech he suddenly starts sprouting greyer whiskers and his face shrivels??!! (I'm not joking, either.)What the fuck are they doing, experimenting for Episode 3??

  • May 18, 2002, 7:09 a.m. CST

    The Binks...

    by FNORDknt

    AOTC just added to my suspiciouns that the Binks is a Sith...Even Starwars.com has a survey asking how Binks is still alive when ObiWan himself said "their is no such thing as luck only the force..."

  • May 18, 2002, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Sigue Sigue.....

    by chicagojones

    No, Sigue Sigue, I did not ecperience AOTC the way you did. Let me take your post point by point: (1) Yes Yoda had some nice moments in this movie. In places he came very close to the Yoda in ESB. And the Mr Miyagi scene was hilarious. The problem is: it comes about ten minutes before the end of the movie! Up to that point nothing interesting happens in the movie. And the impelmentation of "Yoda-speak" is extremely clumsy in some instances - "A perimeter around the survivors create"(!!!) In ESB, if Yoda had anything complicated like that to say, he just said it in normal syntax and it was fine. (2) Visual poetry? I'm very sorry, but you are talking about a different movie. AOTC looks like a video game and I have zero interest in videogames. The screen is far, far too busy for it to make any sense. (This is also a problem in the final battle in ROTJ by the way - so it's not JUST a CGI problem) In ESB, effects scenes have a lot more room to breathe because they have far fewer elements, and are much stronger as a result. Also, the pre-digital photochemical techniques mean that everything has a solid, tactile feel. But in AOTC, CGI and digital compositing has a tendency to make a whole scene look flat and homogenous - much like a videogame. But mainly it's a storytelling problem: thousands of little CGI characters and little laser beams and countless explosions is all utterly, utterly meaningless. I switched off completely for these sections of the movie. (3)The Tusken Raiders scene: This had potential. Yes, I really thought the movie was going to finally kick in here. But there are two problems: Firstly, Lucas doesn't show enough of this scene! Anakin fighting a bunch of Tuskens with his lightsaber must be a lot of SW fans' wet dream - myself included! It didn't happen. What a let-down. But the MAIN problem is: I don't buy the set-up. I can forgive a lot of continuity problems, inconsistencies and plot holes in the SW saga, but the plot hole here is just way, way too big to ignore and it spoiles the whole thing - namely, why the fuck was Anakin's mother still a slave after TPM? Why was she STILL on Tatooine? Her son SAVED the fucking universe! She should have been whisked away to Naboo, all expenses paid and be living a life of luxury far from any danger. Sorry, but I think that this plot hole will be a major problem for anyone over the age of eight. It is the clumsiest set-up in the whole series, and as much as I lowered my expectations going in to this movie, I just couldn't lower them to that extent.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Apparently it was just too convoluted. Too dense! NO not really,

    by MentallyMariah

    dull, boring, action, dull boring, action, dull boring....OH MY GOD did I tell you I had a better time watching Diane Lanes' Wahzoo in "UNFAITHFUL?" sorry, no mattter how much eye popping wow candy Lucas provides us in this TOO DENSE fable, it just adds up to yawn...no applause after our packed screening, just bored and tired expressions of MAN I CAN't WAIT TIL THE NEXT EPISODE OF SIX FEET UNDER!

  • May 18, 2002, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Oh my god - SW hysteria

    by JT Styler

    Hello, this is the Styler. This has to be said. While this film is better than TPM AND has kickass fights, a comparison must be made with LOTR. Do you guys honestly think this movie is Oscar-bound? I don't and I'll tell you why. I enjoyed it for one but this film features some of the worst acting, and dialogue I have seen since Pearl Harbor. Cool moments - Take a bow, Yoda - make a good movie not a great movie. Fans will love this movie but discerning viewers will merely like it. Come on, the forced love story, the joke of a romance, the forced ending, the lack of narrative structure and the wholescale ripoff of other films. My fellow friends, wake up. Lucas may be good with a computer but he is a crap director. The Styler has spoken.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Enigma

    by Dig

    I wasn't going to post anything. I never have before but after "All of you who hated this movie, really need to go the fuck away. Please, GET OFF THE FUCKING PLANET! Take your worthless souless asses and move to the moon." I couldn't help it. Enigma words can not explain how much of a waste you are. For the record, I did not like the movie. But I would love to discuss it with Harry and be more than happy to "get in your face" and tell you why I did not like it. And in case you feel like flaming me, send it to my e-mail because I probably won't be checking out the talkback anytime soon.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Ebert's AOTC review

    by RogueScribner

    Here's an e-mail I wrote to Roger Ebert in response to his AOTC review. ----------------------------- "I am writing in regards to what seems to be conflicting reviews that you have given to THE PHANTOM MENACE and ATTACK OF THE CLONES. I find it hard to believe that anyone would find CLONES a less entertaining movie than PHANTOM. In my opinion (while I do like the film overall), PHANTOM hit a home run visually but never got off second base in regards to compelling characters and plot. -------- And it seems you would agree with me. In your review of PHANTOM you wrote, "[It] is an astonishing achievement in imaginative filmmaking. If some of the characters are less than compelling, perhaps that's inevitable" and "The dialogue is pretty flat and straightforward, . . . but dialogue isn't the point, anyway: These movies are about new things to look at." ------------- So it surprises me that you would be the lone voice calling CLONES a worse movie than its predecessor. I know everyone won't like every movie, but even the people who don't like CLONES aren't calling it worse than PHANTOM. In fact, I think some of your criticisms of CLONES could also be said about PHANTOM, such as: "I had not heard one line of quotable, memorable dialogue. And the images, however magnificently conceived, did not have the impact they deserved," and "But most of that first hour consists of dialogue . . . [that] is in a flat utilitarian style: They seem more like lawyers than the heroes of a romantic fantasy," and "[t]here is a certain lifelessness in some of the acting, perhaps because the actors were often filmed in front of blue screens so their environments could be added later by computer." Couldn't the same be said for THE PHANTOM MENACE? ----------- But this is what really got to me in your review of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. You wrote, "When it comes to the computer-generated images, I feel that I cannot entirely trust the screening experience I had," and "the density and saturation of the image were not adequate to imprint the image there in a forceful way." --------------- It seems to me that your disappointment with CLONES lies not with the stiff dialogue or lack of characterization for the actors or even the story itself. All of your criticisms can easily be said about PHANTOM, a film you liked. The only criticsm you lobbed at CLONES that stands apart is your dislike for the picture quality. And since the visuals weren't up to par in your opinion there was nothing to distract you from the lesser elements that were even present in the earlier STAR WARS films. ------------- I can't speak to what you saw, but I saw CLONES last night in a digital projection theater and I was amazed at how clean and clear the entire run of the movie was. I didn't have a single problem watching the movie that way. It was like watching a DVD on a giant screen. That was probably the best version of the movie I will ever see. -------------- I know you're not a fan of digital cinema. You even wrote, "Digital images contain less information than 35mm film images, and the more you test their limits, the more you see that" which I think speaks to your bias. I think you let your bias against digital impact your review of the film itself. If the picture was fuzzy, don't blame Lucas, blame the projectionist. ---------------- I think it's a shame someone who has enjoyed the STAR WARS series so much over the years would find fault with the latest installment. I wasn't exactly thrilled with THE PHANTOM MENACE, but ATTACK OF THE CLONES had enough cool action, visuals and humor (yes, humor) to distract me from the stilted dialogue and trite romance. And I think most people would agree it's an improvement over PHANTOM on every level (even if they still don't like the movie). -------------- At the end of your CLONES review you wrote, "I have to see the film again to do it justice." I hope you do. See it digitally if you can. For all I know there is something lost in the transfer to film. CLONES was created digitally and it was meant to be seen digitally. Perhaps when you see in its proper presentation you'll change your mind. Or perhaps not. ---------------- I just hope future digital films that you see (it's inevitable Hollywood will eventually convert) won't automatically be bad in your eyes because they're not true films. How cool will it be to see a movie three months after its release and still see a picture as clear as opening day? No scratches, pops or even burns. TITANIC burned on me opening day. TWICE. At a respectable theater, no less. I never have to worry about that with digital. I think it's only a matter of time before more people jump on the bandwagon. ------------ I apologize for the lengthy post, but I felt compelled to write. Thank you." ------------------------------ As for me, I found AOTC a good film overall. Definitely better than TPM and maybe even ROTJ. L8r

  • May 18, 2002, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Enigma - Show some class

    by JT Styler

    Just because many people do not like Ep. 2, does not mean they are not fans. I am a fan but I know that Ep. 2 had a great finale but on its own, it is merely a good film. Sure I like the typical Star Wars themes but acting and dialogue are very important to me, too and this film did not cut it. The Styler has spoken.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:46 a.m. CST

    One more thing

    by Dig

    Anyone that questions my fanboy status can kiss my ass.

  • Face it Enigma - you love Star Wars too. Why else would you get so upset? You sound like you're very, VERY disappointed with the new Star Wars movies. Well, you're not alone. There are many who feel the way you do. But instead of turning your frustration on your fellow fans, why don't you look at the real cause: Lucas. Whatever it was that he had when he made the old trilogy, he's well and truly lost it. It's 100% dead and buried. And we'll just have to get used to it. Forget that AOTC and TPM are SUPPOSED to be Star Wars movies. Pretend they're just cartoon kiddie-flick rip-offs of Star Wars and you'll find them quite enjoyable. You've got to let go of the past, Enigma. We all have to let go.

  • May 18, 2002, 8 a.m. CST

    It's an enigma that The Enigma hasn't had a corony by no

    by RogueScribner

    Dude, you need to calm down. Where is all that anger coming from? You're a STAR WARS fan. Good for you. You loved AOTC. Again, good for you. Just because everyone in the world didn't like this movie doesn't make them unworthy to post comments here. It is possible for some people to love the old trilogy and not like the new films. People change over the years. Read Robogeek's or Alexandra Dupont's reviews for proof. That doesn't change the fact that they liked the old films. That doesn't make them less of a STAR WARS fan. There's nothing wrong with demanding standards from the movies you watch. I can understand and agree with many points some people have made. It all comes down to a matter of taste. AOTC had problems, but I ultimately think the good outweighs the bad. Some people don't. Get over it and move on. L8r

  • May 18, 2002, 8:01 a.m. CST

    "corony" was supposed to be "coronary"

    by RogueScribner

    oops

  • May 18, 2002, 8:02 a.m. CST

    GEORGE LUCAS HAS JERKED A FAT CREAMY LOAD ON YOU AOTC FACES AND

    by Black Ceaser

    Words can't describe how fucking angry I am that corporate filmmaking is winning thanks to souless fucks like you fans. These motherfuckers aren't interested in making good movies any more they are making long-ass commercials to sell shit. Are you motherfuckers so removed from normal human interaction that you can't tell that this shit is souless. Have any of you motherfuckers dated a girl? You bought that lame-ass romance? That shit was definately written by someone NO FUCKING GAME AT ALL. (Han Solo had game!) I am a Star Wars fan, not a Star Wars Geek. I AM A MOVIE GEEK. I love worship and adore movies and the art of filmmaking, The success of long form advertising like AOTC is FUCKING THE FILM INDUSTRY UP! This Wall Street mentality filmmaking is creating a cold calculated wasteland where they can sell dog shit to the masses wrapped up in a Hershey bar wrapper and you motherfucker eat that shit as say BEST HERSHEY BAR EVER! You bought into their bullshit because It gives you fucks something to do to replace the lack of human interaction in your lives. Go out and get some pussy, then watch that bullshit romance again and tell me how well it worked! Well I'll tell you what, that Hershey wrapper doesn't fool me I KNOW WHEN I'M BEING FED SHIT. A POX ON YOU ALL FOR SLEEPING WITH THOSE WALL STREET CORPORATED PRICKS!

  • May 18, 2002, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Black Caesar

    by JT Styler

    The Styler here. Hey, Caesar, pretty funny and my sentiments exactly. Thank you.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Film

    by Almost Sexy

    Does it ever occur to any o y'all that we spend very little time here talking about movies? I'm surprised that so few of my favorite parts of the movie have been mentioned here. The spaceship scene with the Jedi starfighter in the asteroid field, was, in terms of pure spectacle, the best space fighter scene in any of the movies. It didn't have the emotional investment or tension of Han deciding to go head-to-head with a Star Destroyer, or Luke's run down the trench in the first one, but just visually, it was a beautiful thing to see. The pacing was as fast as my eye could follow and no faster. It was gorgeous. I also liked how you saw the explosion before you heard the detonation, although I don't know if that's how it would really work in space, it was still really fun. The pacing of the assassin bugs was great too. I thought that was very much in the spirit of Hitchcock's maxim of suspense. First the droids, then the bugs, then the intercutting with Ben and Anakin's conversation, then Artoo, then back to the bugs. Then finally back to Ben yelling "I feel it too," which was a really cool touch - that the Jedi can work on such an intuitive level. Visually speaking, I thought it was genius that to work around the fact Lee was almost eighty when they were shooting, Lucas did those extreme close-ups of Anakin and Dooku's faces during the duels. Even though I knew the outcome, I was afraid during that duel. It was breath-taking. I actually found it much more compelling than the showdown between Dooku and Yoda. The fast pace of the scene helps you empathize with and reinforces how helplessly overwhelmed Anakin is in this match-up. I loved those kooky little monsters in the arena, too. The way the tusked one moved seemed very Harryhausen stop-animo(a(?))tion-ish. And I mean that as a compliment. Does anyone think that was intentional? It still seems though, that Lucas is much more comfortable working with effects than human beings. It reminds me of something that Mark Hamill (who did a fine job in the first three, thank you very much), said in an interview once (paraphrasing loosely) that if Lucas could get the technology down, he would shoot the film with all-cgi characters. Seeing AOTC, I don't doubt it. He'd probably get better performances out of them. (See cgi Yoda for example). I didn't like the movie so much as a storytelling-delivery-system, but it was a lot more fun than I'd imagined it would be.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Enigma: Please don't feel so bad : >() (That was my first a

    by Almost Sexy

    Oh, and to The Enigma, I really worry about you. Please don't get so upset that some people don't like AOTC. I'm thoroughly glad that it was everything that you wanted the movie to be, and I'm not putting out my opinions in some sort of spiteful attempt to bum your high. If you truly love this movie, then no wan protestations on the part of nefarious naysayers can take that away from you (just like in that Whitney Houston song about how the children are the future). If your love of the movie is true, no disgruntled grumblings should be able to tarnish your memory of it. Moreover (yay, I've never gotten to use that word in a post before!!), if there are any anti-SW trolls in this thread, they'll only be all-too-happy to witness the consternation and disconcertment (is that even a word??) with which you have absorbed their invective. I mean, one of the best movies you've ever seen has just come out, and you'll probably have countless opportunities to ogle it unabashedly over the next two or three months it will be holding sway over your local enormo-dome. Is this the time to be answering gall with bile, or for you to be exulting to the heavens your enrapturement with one of the most sumptuous visual and narrative feast of your life heretofore.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Aint It Cool News.Com: The Film Site For People Who Hate Movies

    by TallScott

    Nuff said you Trolls, Clones Rocked..Right On Harry and Right On Lucas.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I still say this film was weak at best, total crap at worst.

    by Lidane

    I'm sorry, but the rabid fanboy routine around here is nauseating. Lucas is not God. He's not going to strike down anyone who says anything negative, so people here should just get the Hell over it-- not everyone thinks this film was any good. I certainly don't. It bored me to tears. I went with 11 other folks to a midnight show here in Austin, and one of them summed it up best-- "I'd gladly have paid for two hours of black screen for the last thirty minutes". Everything before the Yoda/Dooku fight was worthless. Competent actors like Christopher Lee, Ewan McGregor, and even Samuel L. Jackson just hamstrung by shitty lines, and a soulless script. Ewan and Christopher gave the film the most life, but even they couldn't save the sinking ship of AOTC, despite their best efforts. Anyone defending this steaming pile as even remotely good as anything in the OT is just a blind, mindless Lucas fanboy. This movie was all looks, no heart, like a cheap whore giving you what you want to see, but not giving you anything you *need*. This film is a cinematic handjob, getting off only the most faithful, but leaving everyone else frustrated and pissed off that that's all there was to it. I loved the OT. TPM had its momemts. I grew up on Star Wars, having been a fan for 25 of my 29 years. But this film blows, plain and simple. Lucas knows how to make things look pretty these days, but give him flesh and blood actors and it all falls apart. This has to be the most disappointing experience I've ever had at a Star Wars film, and it pains me to say it. No matter how much of a fan I am, I can't defend this film. I can't find a way to shove my head up Lucas's ass that far to overlook the flaws, from the crap romance, to the fact that I just didn't care about the clone army, or any of it, when it should have all mattered. I didn't care that the Sith were manipulating both sides of the situations for their own ends. I didn't care about Padme and Anakin. THESE are Luke and Leia's parents? Shit, why not just get James Van Der Beek to be Anakin, then it would actually *be* Anakin's Creek? At least he'd be more believeable. It broke my heart to sit through this. I was hoping for so much more. Lucas has his work cut out for him in Episode III to redeem this steaming pile of a movie, and the Star Wars universe as a whole.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Enigma: For example, you might wanna skip right by Black Ceasar&

    by Almost Sexy

    Speaking of Black Ceasar's subject line, by the way, does anyone here know the one about the construction worker who had a problem erecting load-bearing members. Thank you...no, thank you. You're too generous. I'll be here all night, (which, sadly, tells you something about my home life). But it's cool, cause in a few months my parents are going to let me into the basement so I can continue to be a virgin. Spoiler free for 2003!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Ha! These talkbacks would drive a priest to give up child moles

    by justsomedude

    At this point people...who cares what other people think. It really doesn't matter, it only matters what yout think as a viewer. Me? I loved ATOC..I have seen it three times..going in a couple of hours with the old man and see a matinee of it. I got off the phone with my brother(who hated Phantom Menace)and he loved this movie! I have NEVER seen a such a positive reaction to a movie in my entire life. When I was in the city to see it at the Ziegfield...I can't tell you how many times I overheard random conversations with people on the street who gave this movie serious praise. Negative backlash is certainly in the small minority this time around(I met a couple people here and there who didn't like it). As far as my perception who didn't like it(you guys are entitled to your opinions)is that many people simply can't look at the originals in a critical light. The problem relies(my opinion)that Lucas spent way too much time waiting to make these movies. Therefore, many people developed more or less an unconditional love relationship with the first trilogy. Their love of Star Wars is really based on sense of a nestolgia factor. Nothing more or nothing less than loving a set of movies because they reminded you of being 5 years old and experiencing Empire Strikes Back in the theaters. That is cool, but those same people really cannot love anything new because they cannot watch a Star Wars movie without the original cast or situations. For them, those moments in OT define Star Wars. I guess my point is that people who didn't like this movie are purists(which is cool). Those fans(yes they are still fans)have placed Star Wars on such a pedeistal that NO film could live up to their perception of the originals(that is cool too). I kinda equate it to a little kid who just got a new dog after his other one just died. The new Dog looks the same, acts the same way, does all the same tricks, and even shows the little kid just as much affection. However, the little kid just can't let go of his original dog and not even another dog(that is just that cool)cannot fill the void in his heart. Whatever! It doesn't really matter...people some viewers didn't even like the orginal Star Wars when it came in the theaters in 1977. The problem is that we didn't have the internet, and not EVERYONE had an opinion that was avaliable for everyone to see. So the negative perception seems alot more apparent(when it is pretty damn miniscule). I brought one of my friends(who isn't a big Star Wars)and he almost crapped himself when he saw this picture(he is going to see it again)...talk about converting the unconvertable(good job Lucas). BTW, just to add some perception of the negative side of things...I was at Virign Records talking with a guy about some Criteron DVD's(nice guy BTW). He saw ATOC and hated the movie. I proceeded to have a conversation(not an arguement)why he didn't like the picture. "I don't understand why...with all those talented people....they couldn't make a better picture..he(Lucas) needs to be just a producer..not a director..not a writer...these movie should be darker....they have to get atleast a PG-13 rating with raw emotion and deep introspective thought" he said. I sat back..appreciating what he said and responded "But do you find flaws with a New Hope?" He said "Yes, but these movies need to grow up and evolve past the Orginal movies...(in other words people these movies need to grow to fit my perception or taste in the now as an adult). I said "well perhaps you have to b like Peter Pan to enjoy this movie" Then, quite unexpectantly, about 5 people overheard our conversation and joined in this discussion. All of the 5 random people loved this movie....they all ended up being a little too beligerant with the other guys opinion(I liked the guy who didn't like AOTC)...so the 6 of us ended driving this poor guy out of Virgin records(unintentionally). I would have liked to finish our conversation!

  • May 18, 2002, 8:58 a.m. CST

    make me laugh some more canteen boy

    by Frank Black

    You guys are all too funny. Such passion and rage, such devotion, such frustration. If you were all in one big room, you could have a big fight like the one in AOTC and tear each other's throats out. I have seen the movie several times now, and in NYC with the most diverse crowd there is and the audiences responded very well and cheered, laughed, gasped and left smiling. I liked it too, but if I WANTED to find fault with it as a film, I could, but I won't bother because its not that kind of a film. For those of you who treat these movies as a religion and feel you have been betrayed in some way, I am truly sad for you, but know that everyone enjoys different things and that is OK. For those of you who loved it and want to kill those who didn't, RELAX!!! The Star Wars movies are not supposed to be masterpieces, they are meant to be really amazing B movies, which they are! The Star Wars movies don't suck, it is simply that you all have become more sophisticated and have higher expectations. Some of us, Lucas included, have retained an appreciation for things that are a little simpler and innocent. These movies are supposed to be fun, not make everyone angry. Many people will like AOTC, and many people will not! What can you do? You certainly can't change people's minds. Why bother? I could go into a rant about what I thought worked and what I didn't, but I would ultimately be wrong like many of you, because you forget that your feeling about the quality of the movie is just your opinion and not fact. With film, there is no scientific fact validating a movie, because it is all art and to be appreciated by individuals. The Star Wars movies are fun. I like every one of them and wish George Lucas could make a hundred of them. It will be nice to re-visit them throughout my life and eventually share them with my children. In the long run, it doesn't much matter what the public, as a whole thinks of them, because they make many people happy and anything that does that has value in my eyes. I love George Lucas, because he has a wild imagination and has created a world for himself where he can create so much and spend his days doing what he loves. He is a big teddy bear in flannel with a heart of gold. Greed doesn't play into it, because he is a simple man and he has everything he could ever want. Play nice kids. Treat each other with more respect and you might find yourselves having more interesting conversations than the constant aggressive expletives that make you all sound like a bunch of ignorant trash. Didn't like AOTC, well there are a lot of old movies you could rent, or you could wait for another ten movies to come out next week. My sense is, and I watch you regular posters and am familiar with the same ones who rail against everything, whatever movie comes out whether it be Matrix sequels, Indiana Jones, Spider-Man 2, or whatever else you worship, you will find fault with and come here to bitch about it. I'm not sure why I come here anymore because I am quite sure my call for more positivity is not heeded or cared for, and where I used to have some interesting dialogues with many of you, I rarely see thought provoking comments. Now it is "that sucked and the director raped my childhood and shot his load on me" (LOL) You guys are all too much, you really are.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:58 a.m. CST

    AOTC- Favourable reviews - Why?

    by JT Styler

    The Styler here. Empire Magazine gave this movie five stars. Five stars !! Wait a minute, TPM got four. This movie is a three star movie. I'll say it again, maybe this is an overreaction due to TPM'S crapness because unlike sellout Harry, I cannot forgive some of the worst acting I've seen in a theatre in the last ten years. People cuss Bruckheimer for it, why does Lucas get away with it? All the characters in this movie were lifeless ciphers bar Yoda. YODA. He is CGI, for God's sake. Don't hate me but someone has to tell it how it is. LOTR showed everyone how sci/fi or fantasy does not equal great effects but crap story, dialogue a

  • May 18, 2002, 9:02 a.m. CST

    AOTC- Favourable reviews - Why?

    by JT Styler

    Sorry got cut off. As I was saying, crap dialogue and massive plot holes. AOTC is a fun movie but it is also an exercise in soulless filmmaking, a corporate toy commercial. Lord help us. For Episode 3, we need a miracle, no an act of God - divine intervention. The Styler has spoken

  • May 18, 2002, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Ackbar rules

    by damo26

    A young Admiral Ackbar and his pissed up haddock mates gate-crash the wedding reception and start a fight with Binks about who looks the fakest. Anakin tries to rescue his pal with his light drawn, and much fried fillet of cod hilarity ensues .... EVEN THAT WOULD HAVE MADE A BETTER FUCKING MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Watch for Jango's "low clearance"...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    I guess it's a homage to both the Stormtrooper and Lando. Anyhow, I am in love with this movie, and equally impressed with Harry's review - one of his best. He has really conveyed the passion he has for this film, without resulting to extraneous information about his life followed by sweear words in CAPITAL LETTERS with a couple of hundred explanation marks!!!! Perhaps he should see all films two months early and really let it rest in his brain to mull and mature like a fine wine. How anyone can be disappointed by this film amazes me, especially when they express a deep love for the OT. This is the most outright fun, exciting and beautiful SW film yet. OK, the acting may be slightly balsa in some departments, but so many good points outweigh the bad. And as for the love story, well if you don't get it - you are far too cynical and here's hoping that one day you do fall in love. If there's one thing that really got my goat it was that everyone must say everyone elses name when they speak. Jango said Zam's name twice in about 30 seconds - it wasn't like anyone else was there to get confused with. And George, please we get that Anakin is Obi-Wans apprentice - don't have him say "my young padawan learner" every two minutes. Otherwise this film was truly wonderful and I just wish I didn't have finals, cause I want to see it again now. Just be glad we've got two LOTR, two Matrixes (or is that Matrices), a couple of Potter's, more web-slinging and this on DVD. Otherwise I would be going mad. Though I am disappointed to hear that the Two Towers are going to be digitally erased from LOTR 2...

  • May 18, 2002, 9:09 a.m. CST

    ben gets old

    by damo26

    AND WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER MY LAST POST( BEN'S SPONTANEOUS AGEING???????) HE SERIOUSLY MORPHS INTO AN OLDER MAN OUTSIDE THE NIGHT-CLUB. ILM WERE MONKEYING WITH HIS FACE, I SWEAR IT!!!!!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 9:12 a.m. CST

    I wanted to love it, and I do, however....

    by khlestakov

    I do love it. The last act absolutely rules, and there is so much in it that has me absolutely beaming with glee. However, there are two issues that cloud the sky. I thought the idea of Anakin creating 3P0 in Phantom Menace was very suspect. WHY dose 3PO not know where he is in A New Hope, nor recognise the name Skywalker? Now that we discover that 3P0 moved with Shmi to the Lars homestead and worked there, how can this possibly be reconciled with A New Hope? Even if both droids at some point before A New Hope get their memory erased, Owen Lars would surely recognise 3PO. Even though it was great to see this location again, that tasted very sour. Also, why does neither Obi Wan nor any of the other Jedi make the connection between the clone army and Dooku? Fett fled straight to Dooku and Kenobi followed him, and it was very clear whom Fett was fighting for during the final confrontation. Not a word was said about this.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:16 a.m. CST

    An entertaining movie, this was.

    by Chilli Kramer

    Be mindful we must, that this is a movie and not a film. Meditation I suggest, on the fact that movies are supposed to entertain and this did so. Marketed it was not, as an educational film. Corny at times, the dialogue and directing is . In balance this was, with the quality special effects. A symbiant circle, it forms. Hate both we must not. For hate leads to anger.... and anger leads to banal posts. Banal posts lead to flaming..... flaming leads to hate speech, and hate speech leads to deletion. Deletion leads to complaints. Complaints lead to the dark side - banning. Such is the path to the dark side. So be mindful we must, that this is a movie and not a film.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Top ten SW worst ever

    by damo26

    Worst ever Star Wars moments: 10) DWARVES IN BEAR COSTUMES 9) S&M OVERTONES OF VADER'S TORTURE OF HIS DAUGHTER 8) INCEST OVERTONES OF VADER'S TORTURE OF HIS DAUGHTER. 7) THE FLYING BLUE WARTHOG 6) CLOUD CITY EXTRAS 5) GREEDO SHOOTING FIRST 4) ANY CGI ADDITION IN A SPECIAL EDITION UNLESS ITS OF A SPACESHIP. 3) HOW WUDE 2) EPISODE 1 1) EPISODE 2

  • May 18, 2002, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Top ten SW worst ever

    by damo26

    Worst ever Star Wars moments: 10) DWARVES IN BEAR COSTUMES 9) S&M OVERTONES OF VADER'S TORTURE OF HIS DAUGHTER 8) INCEST OVERTONES OF VADER'S TORTURE OF HIS DAUGHTER. 7) THE FLYING BLUE WARTHOG 6) CLOUD CITY EXTRAS 5) GREEDO SHOOTING FIRST 4) ANY CGI ADDITION IN A SPECIAL EDITION UNLESS ITS OF A SPACESHIP. 3) HOW WUDE 2) EPISODE 1 1) EPISODE 2

  • May 18, 2002, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Top ten SW worst ever

    by damo26

    Worst ever Star Wars moments: OH SHIT I FORGOT THE CGI YODA... JUST PUT THAT AT ZERO.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:37 a.m. CST

    A movie for the FANs.

    by KixD2

    First everyone here agrees that this movie is much more better than the first one, so if you are a fan then this is for you. However this is no "Empire Strikes Back". Not even close. Why? The Script is horrendous. Having seen Spiderman not to long ago, and being very impressed by the script (especially the Love story), I have to hold myself from laughing outloud when idotic lines were being uttered by almost everyone in the movie. Lucas should hire DAVID KOPP to do his writing for him, because it's just plain embarrassing. The second major problem is the acting. Lucas would be better off digitally creating every character (like YODA). He has all this talent to work with and they all come off as wooden. They all read their lines as if they are in a freaken court room. It horrible watching talents like Portman being wasted because the directors does know how to direct them. Having said all this, if you are a FAN go see it. You have already suffered through the likes of EP 1 and Return of the JEDI. This is a much better movie than thoes two. For non-fans, avoid it at all costs.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Hope-Less: A Message From the Ministry Of Truth

    by Yoor-Peon

    Far be it for me to disagree with the worthy denizens of this site, but in 1977, I went to see a film called 'Star Wars'. Yep, that's the one - 'Star Wars'. When the film started, the crawl at the intro jokingly mentioned that this was Episode 4. Just like the old Buck Rogers / Flash Gordon serials of my youth, I had typically come in to the sequence half (ish) way through. It wasn't called 'A New Hope' until the oh-so-special editions started turning up years later. It's really great that we can buy into this rewriting of history merely because it's suits George Lucas' marketing strategy. I'm off to see the new film on Sunday night, on a really big fuck-off screen and top sound system, I hope it'll be excellent. I'm sure it will, actually, but please let's get this into perspective: the film that cam out in 1977 to kick this whole thing off was called 'Star Wars'. Apologies for such a rambling post, but this has been naffing me off for quite some time now. Have a good day.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:41 a.m. CST

    What Movie Were The Naysayers Watching?

    by Zignor

    I had intended to go to only one showing of AoTC on opening day, but ended up going back a second time later in the evening with my father and brother. At the conclusion of the movie in both instances, the audience was cheering. My father was cheering. My brother was cheering. I was cheering. The general feeling seemed to be, "Star Wars was back! TPM is dead, long live AoTC!" Every single RL acquiantance of mine liked or loved this film, and emerged from the theater with a smile. Quite a departure from TPM, which seemed to leave a lot of my friends dissapointed and confused. Then I hop online, and read other people's reactions. Now *I'm* confused. Did they watch a completely different film? Are self proclaimed internet critics just miserable people who purposely look for fault in anything they can find? Or is this phenomenon really just 5 people posting under many aliases? Then we have the "legitmate" press basically split down the middle on this is well. Huh? Even if I don't agree with them, I'm generally one to at least understand other's opinions, but as for the AoTC naysayers, I really have to wonder what movie they were watching. I felt that some of the complaints were so incredibly off base that they must of been fabricated just for sheer entertainment value. I'll admit that most of the "problems" people had with the film are things that I was am agreement with, but not nearly to the extend that the critics would lead you to believe. Cheesy love story? Sure. But in reading some people's thoughts on it, you'd expect that a barf bag and a 10 x 10 of Lucas for target practice were going to be mandatory items to bring along with you to the theater. This is not so. I simply don't get it. And to the people who actually thought this film was not even up to par with TPM, HUH!?!? What in the bloody blazes could even being to lead you to that opinion? If you simply disliked this film, that's fine by me. But to regard it unfavorably to TPM is totally mind boggling. Anywho, regardless of the nonsense that some people are spewing, I suppose that what it comes down to in the end is, "Did I enjoy it?" Personally, I can't wait to see it again. :)

  • May 18, 2002, 9:45 a.m. CST

    zignor

    by damo26

    ZIGNOR, I WAS WATCHING THE SAME MOVIE AS YOU. FORTUNATELY, I'M NOT IN DENIAL.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:53 a.m. CST

    FINAL WORD

    by damo26

    LISTEN, I'LL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME: I REALLY, REALLY WANTED TO LIKE THIS FILM AND BEFORE I HAD, I HATED THE "NAY-SAYERS" AS MUCH AS THE REST OF YOU POOR DELUDED FUCKS. BUT THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT THIS FILM IS AWFUL, IT WILL ALWAYS BE AWFUL, AND THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO IN MY MIND TO CONVINCE MYSELF OTHERWISE, AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO. I JUST HAVE TO BE HONEST.AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO THINKS THAT YODA LOOKED SHIT FOR THE ENTIRE FILM, INSTEAD OF THE REST OF YOU - HIDING BEHIND PRAISE FOR A 15 SECOND CLIP OF A CGI'D TASMANIAN DEVIL TO AVOID THE ISSUE

  • May 18, 2002, 9:57 a.m. CST

    [BIG SPOILERS] WHY SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT LIKE THIS MOVIE...

    by Dicio

    AOTC didn't suck. If you can't be any more articulate than that then don't bother posting. Now, some movies, it can be argued, aren't worth any more articulation than the octoslavic phrase "It sucked." i.e. BATMAN AND ROBIN, or THE AVENGERS. Nuff said. I can't put AOTC in the same category as those two absolute stinkers. I don't see how anyone could. But I didn't enjoy the movie that much. The story was very good, special effects were great, the action scenes were great, especially the duel between YODA and DOOKU. I was squealing in delight like a little girl, since I've been waiting to see Yoda fight since I was twelve, and it did not dissappoint, save it being far, far TOO SHORT. But the fact of the matter is, the movie was overall only MEDIOCRE. All of the great things that I mentioned before are seriously hampered by mildly poetic dialogue, delivered by actors who didn't seem to care less about what they were saying. *HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN (pardon the spelling) seemed to do very well as Anikin, but that may only be in comparison with the shoddy performances given by everyone else, who only seemed to be trying to make sure the mics picked up what the words they were saying so they could collect their paychecks and go home. And of course CHRISTOPHER LEE is always a treat to watch.* But by far the most detrimental aspect to the movie was GEORGE LUCAS. It is often touted what a marvellous storyteller George Lucas is, but that is all he does. He just tells the story--imparts information, tells what happens. He failed miserably to get me to feel any emotion towards these characters. If you went in with a deep-seated connection with the STAR WARS mythos already established, then that's enough to make you think that this movie is fantastic. But I didn't have that. I saw ROTJ when I was six, and loved it because I was six. I saw ESB when I was twelve and loved it because it was A GREAT FILM. I saw ANH when i was sixteen and I thought it was dreck, because it wasn't new or fresh to me then. I'd already become a jaded teenager and needed more. In all subsequent viewings, the only movie that has held up has been ESB. I still get that holy crap feeling when Luke gets his hand cut off by his own father. In AOTC, when Anakin got his arm cut off, it was: oh, Anakin got his arm cut off. When the Jedis numbers were being decimated, it was: oh, a bunch of Jedis are being smoked. When Jar Jar Binks basically set Palpatine well on his way to becoming Emperor, it was: oh, Jar Jar was the one who gave this knob all his power. The enormity of these events was not well conveyed at all. Yes, I UNDERSTAND that Anakin's arm being cut off was his first step towards his almost complete dependency on cybernetics that eventually leads to his death in ROTJ. Yes, I UNDERSTAND the decimation of the Jedis is one of the largest factors in the shifting of the balance to the dark side of the Force. Yes, I UNDERSTAND the irony that a political lack-wit completely crippled an entire galaxy with one ill-concieved declaration. I UNDERSTAND IT, but I DIDN'T FEEL IT. Not like I felt Luke's pain at realizing that he'd been trying to kill his own father, and that his father wouldn't have given a second thought about killing him and all of his friends as well. The director of ESB made me feel the story in a way George Lucas constantly fails to. And after reading one of the other Star Wars related talk backs, the reason for this is mad clear. George Lucas himself said he thought ESB's director was trying to make a better film than he needed to. Apparently Mr. Lucas seems to think that just telling a story is good enough. I think the quality of these movies would increase greatly if someone was in the director's chair THAT CARED ABOUT MAKING A GOOD MOVIE. Not just seeing what he could get away with. So, if anything, besides me just expressing my opinion, if you bothered to read this whole thing, if you didn't understand before, you can understand now, WHY SOMEBODY COULD NOT LIKE THIS MOVIE. It comes from not thinking it's good just because it's Star Wars. It comes from expecting more than just a synopsis of events. It comes from needing to be drawn in if you're not already in. Which is what a great movie does.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Did anyone notice this ... ?

    by Bozman

    In the scene on Coruscant where Anakin is whining to Padme about Obi-Wan, right when he says "... but he doesn't see it!" is that Boba Fett's ship that flies up outside the window? I sort of caught it out of the corner of my eye, but I wasn't really sure if that's what I saw.

  • May 18, 2002, 10 a.m. CST

    "literally makes me lose my shit with happiness"

    by JuliusCsir

    WTF?

  • May 18, 2002, 10 a.m. CST

    Denial?

    by Zignor

    And what am I in denial about, exactly? Believe me when I say that I went into the film fully expecting it to suck. After watching the trailers, I figured I'd be in for TPM part 2. Finally, the day came. The movie began. The famous "A long time ago..." words appeared on the screen, and unlike opening day of TPM, no one cheered, no one clapped. I then realized that this movie had a much more difficult job to accomplish than Episode 1 did. Not only did it have to be a good movie, but it had to win back a lot disillusioned fans. The scroll came and went, and the movie itself was in motion. After the first 10 minutes I was as scared as ever. But once the chase scene ended, my feelings changed. I was actually thoroughly enjoying myself up until the final credits. And when those credits came? Applause. This film created the total opposite reaction that TPM did, which garnered applause at the start and quite, confused people at the end. Again, I'd like to know exactly what I'm in denial about. Thanks.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Wow...

    by MonkE

    ... I've seen AOTC twice now and I can't wait to see it again! For those who say that it's not as good as LOTR, all I can say is, LOTR was never as exciting as this movie!

  • May 18, 2002, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Yeah it sucks to be this let down...

    by truman32

    How can a company spend millions of dollars on a product--in this case Star Wars Episode II --without making sure there is a solid foundation...i.e. a decent script. It is like building a house full of stunning windows and bidets and fancy kitchens and a kick-ass entertainment room, but spending no time on the groundwork --the foundation! The house will sink! The script is terrible--"Obi One is holding me back!" whaaaa? Where did that come from? The acting is wooden--how could Lucas miss the horrible performances his main players (with the exception of Ewan) were sleepwalking in? And the final battle ---am I the only one who had no idea who was who? Are the guys in those big hamster circle things the good guys (clones) or the droid army? How about a little set-up? I know let's have a great battle between Yoda and Dracula and then have nothing come of it?!!! Yeah that sounds great! What was it Yogi Berra said about a tie being like kissing your sister? When you care for something that ends up a mess like this movie or the current season of Buffy one tends to get a tad bit upset. but this is the trend of Hollywood these days...Star Wars is the same as the Godzilla movie or Pearl Harbor--all eye candy and flashing lights and explosions. Too bad.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:05 a.m. CST

    DENIAL

    by damo26

    Zignor, denial that this film felt empty, full of sound and fury....signifying nothing. And that SW IS DEAD. p.s: that wasn't the reaction in my cinema.People looked truly gutted

  • May 18, 2002, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Sucked ass

    by Maceox

    Why is there a 50's diner in a galaxy far far away, and an alien with a dirty t-shirt and mustache. nTERRIBLE. Why does Portman's shirt rip perfectly so that she is a Spears clone. Why does the bike speeder look like a Harley,Why does humor come from one liners instead of character relationship. How did we know Han and Leia were hot for each other with nary a word of dialogue, but it takes 30 min. of the worst dialogue ever written for AOTC. WHY IN A GALAXY FAR AFR AWAY AND A LONG TIME AGO DO WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH POP CULTURE REFRENCES INSTEAD OF TRUE IMAGINATION. Mr. Lucas I did not pay to see american graffiti in space I paid to see star wars and I want my money back, you hack!

  • May 18, 2002, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Clones was awesome!

    by mdmel5

    Harry...your review is perfect. I thought this movie was great. The audience I was with, 950 people, loved it! We cheered for Yoda. We cheered at the end of the film. It was a fun movie going experience. That's all I wanted was a fun night at the movies and I got it! Best movie experience I've ever had. Many critics are arrogant, elitist jerks. Some feel the "Star Wars" series is beneath them and thus they are vicious toward it. They were going to rip it apart before they even saw "Attack of the Clones." They don't review the movie, they criticize George Lucas and his fans. Look at the review at Entertainment Weekly written by Lisa. That's not a review, it's a personal attack on George Lucas. You can almost feel her dislike for the whole "Star Wars" series. I was amazed that EW let her write such a biased, nasty review. Especially since they are profiting like crazy off of "Star Wars" by promoting the movie in their recent issues. I'm sure they sell alot of magazines because of the "Star Wars" stories they include. Such hypocrites! So ignore the critics and go enjoy the movie. It's a great film and the word of mouth is going to be incredible for "Attack of the Clones." One more thing Harry...notice how the media...especially the AP..continue to state how "AOTC" is getting slammed by the critics. That's totally untrue and reflects the media's negative bias toward this film. Most reviews have been positive...Variety, Gannett News Service, Time, People, Jeffrey Lyone, and on and on. But what critics do they quote...the minority that have disliked the film..like New York Times, Entertainment Weekly, and Newsweek. Watch the Associated Press stories relating to this movie...it's amazing how inaccurate their information is and the general public takes it as fact. My friend says to me last night...I heard on television that the AP said the critics hate this movie. So this negative publicity from the AP definately has an impact on movie patrons. Truth is the movie has received over 70 good reviews and about 20 negative reviews. I have the list in front of me. So why do the major media outlets keep saying the movie is receiving poor reviews?????? Thanks Harry for your review. I agree that I too am thrilled that I can go see this movie and enjoy it thoroughly.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Harry's Wrong: It IS All About Anakin

    by Voice O. Reason

    Anakin and the Republic are essentially the same. Anakin is the human embodiment of the Republic, and what is happening to Anakin is also happening to the Republic. Anakin is an innocent in Episode I, and the Republic still has an innocent quality to it. Anakin finds a new direction in life and is taken into the Jedi Order just as Palaptine becomes chancellor. In this film, Anakin is an angrier person, and the Republic is on the brink of war. In Episode III, Anakin will transform into Vader just as the Republic makes its final transformation into the Empire. In JEDI, Vader becomes Anakin again, just a the Empire crumbles, sharing a simultaneous death.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Crouching Tiger, Hidden Yoda (Some Spoilers)

    by RobinP

    So, a round trip of 100 miles on Thursday night with pre-booked tickets for the 6:00pm show. Was it worth the time, effort, money, anticipation ??? Sure was. This is a full on visual and sonic assault on the senses from the opening crawl to the last fade out. Up to this moment, it's the best looking film I've ever seen. Like Harry says, the colors, the sharpness, the overall vividness of the movie is just outstanding. The f/x are the best ever ! For me the f/x high points in the whole Star Wars saga have largely been in "Empire" notably, the ATAT sequence, and my all time favorites, the asteroid chase and the approach to Bespin. AOTC weighs in with some heavy competition....the asteroid belt sequence with the seismic charges (just try watching that without having your mouth gape open in amazement) the battle on Geonosis and the final disheartening sequence, showing the build up of the clone army in direct contrast with the poigniant happiness of the wedding. (A happiness with a slight chill as we momentarily see Skywalker's metallic hand next to Padme.)The dialogue had me squirming...sorry, but as Harrison Ford once famously said, "George, you can write this shit, but you sure as hell can't say it". There is one high point though, that I'm surprised Harry didn't pick up on, when Obi-Wan turns to Anakin and says "You'll be the death of me". Even C3PO's campy antics on the battlefield worked, and worked well. Yoda's assaoult on Dooku was an eye opener. I expected him to have a tiny little mini lightsaber.... Other notes, in the bar, when Obi Wan has just severed the assasin's head, I swear to God I saw a quick close up of Anthony Daniels in there. Did anybody else notice a disturbing similarity between the new super battle droids from the mid section up, and the robot from the Lost in Space movie ? They're almost exactly the same. Also, when Boba Fett picks up Jango's helmet after the decapitation, how come his father's head didn't come tumbling out ? In closing...I said at the beginning that this was the best looking film I've seen. But....I haven't seen Spider-Man yet. It opens here in four weeks (Regular talkbackers will be only too aware how I feel about this)I saw the trailer on the big screen for the first time.....Quicktime just doesn't do it justice.....and it looks awesome. Just incredible.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:21 a.m. CST

    The script was terrible, but

    by Chilli Kramer

    whoever suggested that David Koepp should polish Lucas's next - nope. Whoever polished David Koepp's script should polish Lucas's. For bad writing: look at the love story. Eesh! Though Natalie did look hot. if the way to win Natalie portman's heart is to ride a giant guinea pig... well get me some growth hormone and call me Richard Gere!

  • May 18, 2002, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Sigue Sigue / Re: Yoda's lightsaber

    by Deagle2

    *** START QUOTE *** "Whatever happened to the 'mind is more powerful than physical strength' Yoda that hooked us all in empire and Jedi?" Uhh, nothing. He's still there. But he's also a very powerful Jedi. Did you expect him to roll over and play dead? *** END QUOTE *** ---- I have to agree with BrianJones on this one. I remember watching the original trilogy and thinking, "How the hell could this little green guy be a Jedi master? He can't even wield a lightsaber." This seemed to make sense until we found out that he WAS a Jedi master. We learned that, though physically weak and impractically small, Yoda was extremely strong with the force. This promised infinitely more power than a lightsaber. So perhaps there is more to being a Jedi than using a lightsaber? The Emperor was a powerful Jedi and he didn't use one. ---- Of course no one expected Yoda to just roll over and play dead. But the OT suggests that Yoda is a really, really powerful Jedi. I was just hoping he would show what a badass he was in some way other than being really, really good with a lightsaber. I guess its yet another thing from the OT that has been "demystified". ---- As a side note, I remember seeing non-human Jedis at the council. If they don't have hands or otherwise cannot use a lightsaber, how do they defend themselves in a struggle?

  • May 18, 2002, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Damo26 and all nay-sayers.

    by buffy3:16

    Point number one: TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS MAKES THINGS HARDER TO READ BECAUSE IT IS THE INTERNET EQUIVILENT OF SHOUTING!!!!!!!!! Point number two: Is it so hard for you to understand that other people could've liked this movie that you have to explain it away by claiming some psychological defect? Point number 3: We liked the movie, get over it. Maybe the reason we liked it is because either (a) we were concentrating on the movie and not thinking about what WASN'T in the movie, or (b) we didn't spend the whole movie looking for things not to like (such as the alledged 50's diner, the way Padme's shirt ripped, how Yoda looked, or other trivial b.s.) that had nothing to do with the excellent plotting, cool action, or subtle character development.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:34 a.m. CST

    THE REAL REASONS WHY THE FILM FAILS

    by damo26

    Right, I'm gonna clear this mess up once and for all.The film is a failure.Here's why: 1)Once loved characters reduced to caricatures of everything that was loved about them to begin with. 2) Sloppy cartoon cgi that looks for the most part like one big animated oil painting 3) No dramatic tension. 4) The worst editing I have ever seen in a film of this magnitude: He's buried his mother? Great, let's go.... I LOVE YOU PANTY PADME, I LOV..... oh fuck, there's Ben talking covolutedly into his cgi enhanced beard. 5) Christopher Lee's role completely wasted, and no real sense of fear come to think of it. 6) Overrated Tasmanian Devil cartoon saber fight that actually wasn't half as good as the one in TPM. 7) Lame PS2 arena sequence that pales in comparison to what it's trying to emulate( and if you don't think Gladiator's tiger sequence is a thousand times better, go watch it again and tell me so with a straight face) 8) Being generally derivative of other sci-fi flicks: Blade-Runner we've mentioned already ( giant ads/bill-boards) but also Alien with the insect drones in the Genosian catacombs 9) Making poignant moments funny (only shit directors don't spot these) 10) Making something special tedious. What a fucking shame.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:37 a.m. CST

    it's over clones...

    by vergence

    give it up, fanboys - the lucas the Creator is dead, long live lucas the Marketeer... the best way to have an impact is to STOP visiting these silly spoilers sites, stop buying the products and definitely spread the word of mouth against two hour Toy Commercials where everything is given a proper name that can be easily translated into somekind of Branded product and then that name is repeated over and over again..."Cloning Chambers", "Jedi Archives"...say NO to the bullshit, the hype and the desctruction of our dreams for profit...

  • May 18, 2002, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I'LL SHOUT IF I **CKING WANT TO!

    by damo26

    I never looked for things not to like, it was there right in front of me.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I just feel the need to say IT WAS AMAZING!!

    by agentcooper

    One more time. The movie succeeds on every level. I've seen it twice now, both times the audience burst into applause during several key scenes (Spoilers) Yoda's arrival at Dooku's hanger, Mace blocking every laser blast to get right up close to Jango, and of course when Lucas' name is shown at the end title. Most of you nay-sayers were going to hate it no matter how good it was, so keep on posting in the lame attempt to convince others of your super-cool, detatched attitudes. By the way, anybody notice that Ebert made up dialogue outright in his first review?

  • May 18, 2002, 10:46 a.m. CST

    100% CGI

    by damo26

    Everything in moderation. So yes: 100% cgi IS crap.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:47 a.m. CST

    You do realize that digital film is dramatically lower quality t

    by marauderwd

    If you couldn't see the pixelation, then you are blind. If you thought it looked better, then you are delusional. If you don't believe me, go look it up. A regular Kodak disposable is equivelant of some 50+ megapixels. a 35mm image contains somewhere on the order of 10 times the data of lucas' nicest cameras. I saw it in seattle on one of the nicest DLP's in the country, and again on a regular translated analog system. This film is not nearly as attractive as it could have been. Just look at all the text in the film, straight lines, etc... you WILL see pixels (unless its on a 10" tv or something). The fact is, there is not one image in this entire movie that is as smooth or as clear as TPM. The colors on the other hand were more vibrant...

  • May 18, 2002, 10:49 a.m. CST

    100% CGI

    by damo26

    Just for the record, Damo26 is 24, and not a 35 year old nerd

  • I hated The Phantom Menace. I think it was an abhorent mess. It sucked, sucked, sucked. I went into see AOTC with nothing but apprehension and extremely low expectations. Actually, I don't think I had any expectations except for it to suck. The film seemed to last forever because the whole time I was thinking, "It can't be this good, can it?" "Please don't start to suck." "Am I nuts, or is this movie the shit?" Now I can see that everyone is absolutely nuts. Alexandra Dupont should be committed. Anyone that cannot see how this is a great Star Wars movie ought to be disembowled. I'm serious. I honestly see no reason to explain to you all the reasons that it is a great Star Wars film the way Harry just did so brilliantly, but now I can see that every Star Wars fan's vision of what is good is now so convoluted by The Phantom Menace that they can't see the forest for the trees. You're all blind. This movie was AWESOME. It had some of the best scenes of ANY Star Wars film. Overall, Empire is still better, but there were moments in AOTC that FAR exceed ANY moment in Empire, save Vader telling Luke he is his father. I don't know... my ability to enjoy this film and see it multiple times for the work of visual and storytelling genius that it is is being greatly hindered by all the publicity and the yammering idiots who are saying this is no different than The Mummy or Pearl Harbor: empty summer spectacle. I don't know how anyone could not see how great this movie is. It's making me sick and it's pretty sad that everyone is that much of a grouch. I really don't understand it... Star Wars is not dead. We've just been handed the greatest gift of a film after the complete and utter shit that was TPM and everyone refuses to get past the ugly wrapping paper to see what's inside. This is a sad day indeed... I went to see it digital by the way, and that, in my opinion, is the only way to see it. I've seen it twice and plan to see it eight more times. Probably the majority of those times will be in two weeks or so when I don't have to hear those yammering idiots around the theater who expected to see something like The Fast and the Furious or The Scorpion King... you know, something more 'current'. Ahhhh... why bother...

  • May 18, 2002, 10:52 a.m. CST

    shitty you were,yeeeeees.

    by damo26

    And yes, I'll say it again: yoda was shit

  • I don't mind CGI in films. Properly done, it has its place, and can make an already good film even better. CGI was used to fairly good success in Spider-Man with the web-swinging (even if some of the fights are too fake for their own good). CGI was used seamlessly in Lord of the Rings to give you real fear (the Balrog) and to really show the scope and size of Middle Earth. In AOTC, the CGI is used to distract the viewer with pretty visuals so you don't notice that the script blows goats, and that the acting (with the exceptions of Christopher Lee and Ewan McGregor) is lifeless and wooden and bland. CGI here is used to make you go "ooh" and "ahh" at all the pretty pictures so you don't notice that this is a shallow, bland film. That's when CGI is bad-- when it's used to mask the inadequacies of the story being told. When it's used to *enhance* the story, that's fine. But when it's used-- like it is here in AOTC-- as a substitute for character development and storytelling, and depth, then there's a problem.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:52 a.m. CST

    GENERAL CUSTER...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    It must be fun, not being able to form opinions for yourself

  • May 18, 2002, 10:53 a.m. CST

    yup, the audiences liked it....

    by majorq007

    ...at least the ones in the theaters i saw the film in. a real crowd pleaser. guess its just some of the people down here in the moldy TB basement that hated it with such a passion. But its an AICN talkback, what else to be expected? These bitter rants are just sad. And when I like AOTC, I'm not accepting mediocrity--I'm enjoying a fun and exciting addition to the series. And ya know what I'm gonna do now? go watch Spider-Man and AOTC again. Cause their fun. Unlike trolling around in this miserable TB.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:55 a.m. CST

    shitty you were,yeeeeees.

    by damo26

    Lidane , thank God there's someone alive out there. SK909: are you really a robot?

  • May 18, 2002, 10:58 a.m. CST

    so why are you here?

    by majorq007

    just a quick question before i go off. damo26--so you didn't like the film. i don't agree, but i respect and appreciate the opinion. but why the hell stick around then? post your opinion and get over it. don't dwell on the damned thing. i'm not trying to be a 'if-you-dont-like-it-dont-post' person, but seriously. state your misgivings and just get over it.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Some people here need to get a life......

    by sithapprentice

    Hee hee hee sw fans, Ebert gave clones only 2 stars? Boycott Star Wars?? I hope Spider-Man beats Star Wars in the box-office? LOTR kicks ass over Star Wars? WHO FREAKIN CARES??? LOTR was great. Spider-man was well....eh. Clones has its faults and was definetely an Awesome Star Wars film, but to get hostile and blood thursty over which movie is better and which one is the all-time best is just a bit pathetic don't you think? I mean since when did this become a competition? Even Lucas isn't out to kill Spidey in the B.O. so why should you be concerned? To coin a phrase "Its just a T.V. show." Aye, its just a movie. To be honest, bad-ass Obi-Won Kenobi was a welcome site for me after having to sit through 2 hours of watching faggy frodo on his quest. This is just MY opinion. Its NOT an ABSOLUTE but just my opinion "from a certain point of view." I don't mean to "offend" anyone with that comment, but Frodo was annoing to me. That, plus some otherwise pointless and dull sequences made LOTR a bit long and self-important. This still did not detract from the fact that I thought LOTR was a great movie. Now, do I tell people to "boycott" or hate LOTR just because of my opinions? No, absolutely not, again overall it was a great film, but far from perfect. I thought Spiderman was agreeable, but not spectacular. Good fx, decent acting, but it certainly was no Batman Forever. Yeah TPM has many problems but "raping your childhood?" "One of the worst movies ever made?" Come on puhleeeze. Its a serial. Serials are cheezy and so is the acting and directing, but thats what makes them fun. Jar Jar is the attempt at Buster Keaton type humor. He's annoing but not the source of the movies problems. As a story, TPM is executed beautifully, but it lacks emotion. On the flipside, I get goosebumps everytime I see Darth Maul in that Naboo hanger ready to dawn his lightsaber as the begining of Duel of the Fates plays in the background. Clones has much more emotion this time around. True the character development in Clones is lacking, but it gets there in the end. Thats just the nature of the story. My biggest gripe is with the rehashed music used in the final battle from TPM. I don't know what George was thinking there, but hopefully he'll reedit that for the DVD release. The last thing to remember in all this is that he has continuity to think about so he's limited by the very nature of OT. He had to start TPM off with Anakin being a 9 year old kid. Why didn't they make "The Hobbit" as the first movie in the LOTR saga? Because its sucks thats why. Yet Tolkien had to write the hobbit in order to setup the events in LOTR. Seen in that context, we can reflect back to the hobbit as a necessary chapter in the LOTR saga. All in all, I'm glad to have had the experience of seeing ALL THREE films and am glad that they were made. More entertainment and more fun. I will own Spidey, LOTR, AND Clones just because I love all three genres, but as movies they certainly are not something to get emotional and hateful about. You are not the screen, you are not the T.V. If you think that you are, then perhaps its time for you to "go home and rethink your life."

  • May 18, 2002, 11:07 a.m. CST

    AOTC was great - only a couple small annoyances

    by Riverdancer

    Balance means equal. If the jedi are all good right now, then bringing balance to the force means bringing evil. WHY CAN'T ANY OF THESE JEDI SEE THAT????? That just -bugs- me. The other annoyance is in the SW books, the Clone Wars were not this war being fought by clones, it was clones that essentially went bad, a problem in the cloning process. Made them go mad and start going on a killing spree kind of thing. I liked that much better as a clone war.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:11 a.m. CST

    GENERAL CUSTER

    by EIFF

    He has said he wanted to form a mass strike on this film and gather thousands upon thousands of people together to boycott it. He has his gang, and it is the massive sum of 1. What a wanker. He really is quite sad. I've seen it twice, going to see it for the third time tomorrow. George Lucas doesn't want the money from scumbags like GENERAL CUSTER. He sounds like he is sour with life and I can laugh at the fact he is missing out on a great film. Although he is probably a liar and has already seen it twice and lining up for Episode III. ATTACK OF THE CLONES was BRILLIANT. Almost PERFECT. If you don't like it then what are you doing on this web site? This is a place for film fans to discuss film and enjoy other people's valid opinion, not listen to some sad moron slate a film he hasn't seen. THE CRITICS HAVE ALMOST UNIVERSALLY HATED STAR WARS SINCE 1977. DON'T LISTEN TO THEM NOW. ATTACK OF THE CLONES IS THE BEST FILM OF THE YEAR SO FAR, AND LOOKS SET TO STAY THERE.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Goodbye forever, and I'll never listen to Harry again.

    by damo26

    O.k. majorq, you're right. It is time to forget this sorry mess of a film and move on.... Damo26 will not darken this site again. But just remember: Alien + Gladiator + Blade-Runner + Ep.1 + The Mummy Returns + Pearl Harbor - Star Wars = well, you know what it equals. What a waste. Goodbye.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:16 a.m. CST

    damo...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    100% CGI shit - careful mate - stay away form Toy Story, you're going to be horribly disappointed. I'm really sorry you hated the film, you know. I and everyone I went with absolutely loved it, including one friend who's very difficult to please (he did say "it left too many open questions though", but I'm guessing if he'd been around to see ESB in 1981, he would have had a fucking meltdown). We can overlook flaws, because there is a satisfying whole. This film really was the most fun experience I can remember having in a cinema in such a long time. I understand that you (and apparantly your entire cinema) disliked it. I'm sorry, but please get over it. The only time I've ever been so vitriolic about a film was after Tomb Raider, that was shit this wasn't. Please, get some perspective, or just calm down and watch your favorite film. There are too many wonderful things in this world to spend your day bitching on the internet. To mis-quote Darius: "Can you feel the love in this room?"

  • May 18, 2002, 11:22 a.m. CST

    The internet is a LOVELY thing...

    by Sofa King

    Anyone else every notice how you can see a movie, love it, everyone you come into contact with in the real world thought it was good, and the people in the movie theater applauded SEVERAL times throughout the movie, yet as soon as you log onto the internet half the people who saw it thought it sucked? I've seen this OVER and OVER and OVER again. Just like Spider-man or LOTR. Yeah, not everybody's going to like a movie, and people are going to have differing opinions, but, well, you have to admit that on AICN that there is a much greater concentration of "it sucked!" people than anywhere else. Sorry, but I just can't ignore the fact that I see more negative opinions on AICN (or other internet sites) than I see from people I meet face-to-face. I'm almost tempted to keep track of the people who said Ep2 sucked to see what else they said sucked, and to see what they liked.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:24 a.m. CST

    much better...

    by gcshamman

    much better the second time around. the first time i thought it was just ok, but seeing it again made a huge difference. I now really love the movie. Go see it more than once, give it a chance

  • May 18, 2002, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Yoda should have been a muppett.....

    by Kirk's Toupee

    And then they should have used the CGI for the fight scene...but Lucas has such a fucking hard-on for CGI that it was bound to happen...I liked this movie...I thought it was a step in the right direction...my only bitch is the bitch I seem to be repeating more and more these days...too much fucking CGI!...the continuity of these movies and the originals is totally lost because of the over use of CGI and the lack of prosthetics and models...ships look like shit in CGI...characters that aren't at distances look like shit in CGI(unless they are suppose to be cartoony)..CGI is great for backgrounds, touch-ups and fast visual effects...CGI works best in more dark atmospheres...there is simple reason for why such things as ships can't be rendered accurately with CGI...a computer can't calculate the randomness of nature..anyone who's tried to render an accurate color translation with a computer or a texture knows the headaches involved...the reason why CGI looks good in shadowy dark images is because there are less variables in the shifts of color and texture...but all the bitching in the world won't matter...the bottom line is that CGI is cheaper than conventional models...so the realism of models gets left in the dust because of dollars...you can recrute any kid fresh out of art school, pay him next to nothing and he can do CGI rendering...where on the converse model making takes many years of work and talent to create a realistic looking minature...so to the people who say "why do some people hate CGI?"...we don't hate CGI, we hate the way it is being used as if it was the Holy Grail of effects...and it isn't...its a great tool that can dramatically increase the depth of a scene...that's my bitch

  • May 18, 2002, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Ernst, you missed his point.

    by Lidane

    100% CGI is fine as long as there's a story, with characters and depth. AOTC doesn't have either of those, and the CGI is used to mask the weakness of the script and of the story. Toy Story had good voice acting, a funny, charming story, and real affection for the characters. AOTC has a lot of pretty visuals, but it's obvious that Lucas enjoys the visuals more than he does directing his actors, or giving them something tangible to work with. When great actors like Samuel L. Jackson are reduced to window dressing, and Ewan McGregor (despite his beard problems) and Christopher Lee (who could make reading the phone book a well done, dramatic exercise) are the only two who manage to breathe life into their roles, the visuals alone aren't enough. It wasn't that damo had a problem with CGI in general-- it was that Lucas used it in place of character development, depth, and real heart. THAT is the main flaw of AOTC.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Two Towers is gonna ROCK!!!!!

    by Space Modulator

    Well, someone had to say it. :P

  • May 18, 2002, 11:34 a.m. CST

    THE ONLY THINGS THE AUDIENCE LIKED WERE NOSTALGIC MOMENTS! STOP

    by Arrogancy

    The audience cheers only from SEEING FAMILIAR CHARACTERS DO NEW THINGS (YODA), OR QUIPS THAT FORESHADOW EVENTS! That's it! They do not cheer for any new things indtroduced into the movie - the audience reaction is based strictly on NOSTALGIA! That doesn't show that it's a good movie, it just shows how good the OT is! Do you people even think before you come up with these lame excuses?! Such lame defenses. I wrote a long review up there that addresses and quantifies the ACTUAL faults that is much better than Harry's fanboy condenscending praise - yet, blind supporters are saying that people are bashing the movie mindlessly! Why did you not address my points then? I guess it's easier to ignore the facts and attack the mindless posts, eh? As for regular audiences - they havent even SEEN the movie yet. The fans, the most "blind" people with the most skewed opinions go on the first few days. And it's the FANS, and not the imaginary naysayers, who are proclaiming their dislike for the film. It's really bad where even the POSITIVE reviews of your movie have to excuse 80% of the film with "BUT THE GIANT VIDEO GAME IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES LOOK KEWL AND IF U DONT LIKE THAT THEN YOURE NOT A FANNNN, NEVER MIND THAT THE OT WAS ABOUT CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT AND RELATIONSHIPS!" Watching Star Wars fans grasp at straws here is quite amusing, I must admit. If you just say that you loved it, fine, but coming up with lame excuses as to why others didn't is very pathetic.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:36 a.m. CST

    BRING ON THE MATRIX SEQUELS!!!!

    by Kampbell-Kid

    Nuff said!

  • May 18, 2002, 11:37 a.m. CST

    IGN Filmforce will be interviewing Gary Kurtz

    by Someguywithaname

    That ought to be good. No offense to Harry but IGN Filmforce is one damn good site. I dont agree with all of the ideas Kurtz is said to have considered for Return of the Jedi or the prequels, but the new films sure do lack something without his involvement.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Lidane...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    I didn't miss the point - I was merely suggesting that the comment was ill-founded. Animation does have tremendous voice-acting, it's part of the skill of an animated film, and I have to say that the animated characters in AOTC in many ways appeared more fully rounded. Watto especially, was a joy to watch. I liked AOTC and a big part of that came from the breathtaking vistas and special effects. Some of it was not seemless, but it was an essential component. It creates a more realistic and tangible world. CGI is important, but I did feel a little overkill in places (notice the same yellow speeder in Mos Espa as in Mos Eisley from EPIV done CGI, also every alien appeared to be CGI-ified), but it hardly felt a chore to watch. "Let go , with your feelings" - I'd rather go and chat with my mates about why we loved this film so much. Star Wars is back and I'm smiling wider than I was after seeing that Natalie Portman's nips weren't done CGI...

  • May 18, 2002, 11:41 a.m. CST

    A step in the right direction

    by Swungdash

    I saw AOTC yesterday afternoon in St. Petersburg, where we have two digital screens. The wife loved it. I enjoyed it, but as a film (or movie) it was flawed in many ways. Lots of them have been mentioned in talkbacks already (digital clone troopers and backgrounds when reality would have sufficed, poor acting, poort script, convoluted plot, etc.), and I have to agree. Hopefully I'm not beating a dead tauntaun, but I want to add my two credits here. Who's the intended audience? If this is indeed a kid's movie, the plot is way too complicated. You should be able to describe what the film is about in a paragraph tops. It took Harry something like 8 or 9 to explain it to the critics who didn't get it. The script: one minute Anakin's talking like a frustrated teenager and the next he's spouting poetry. If any of us normal humans tried those lines on a chick we'd be dropped faster than greased womprat. My biggest complaint, however, is how George is trying so hard to tie everything in together. The visuals: much of the film is magnificent. The complex action scenes look especially fantastic. But in the slower ones, it's overkill. It wasn't enough for Anakin and Padme to be in a beautiful field--they had to be in a beautiful field surrounded by waterfalls. When the eye has time to focus on the fx in simplier scenes like this, you have more time to see the flaws. Characters couldn't just walk down a hall -- they had to walk down a hall with huge glass windows with a million things happening in the background. Did it help move the story along? Did it help evoke a mood? I'm not sure. When a good artist paints from life, he/she doesn't reproduce every detail -- just the ones that are important to capture the essence of the scene. As far as the character animation goes, things haven't progressed much further than the stromtrooper getting off the dewback they were so proud of. It was painfully obvious when digital troopers, C3POs, and humans were used. The aliens were wonderful, they are different enough from us that if a movement is wrong it doen't register. Masahiro Mori's "Uncanny Valley" theory mentioned in the article about digital animation in this month's Wired Magazine is dead on. ILM's unwillingness to use mocap and rely on keyframing is as painfully evident here as Ralph Bashi's rotoscoping the the '70s Lord of the Rings. Enough bashing. What I liked: The big chase at the beginning of the film turned out much better than I thought it be based on the previews. When the asassin shoots the droid and drops Obi -- that was a Star Wars moment. The design of the environment on Genosys -- excellent. Those polished white hallways were a treat to see. The battle between Jango and Obi on the platform. The total silence just before the detonation of the bombs in the planet's rings -- brilliant! Ben Burtt continues to prove that he is a genius. The visual of Padme kissing Anakin and then being taken into the arena. This is the stuff epics are made of. What I wanted to see but didn't: Jango reporting to Newt or Dooku or somebody after going to the ringed planet. Why the F did he go there? So Obi could be led there for plot convenience? Not too smart. Yoda taking the column after saving Obi and Anakin and smashing it into Dooku's ship for being an asshole. Yeah, I know, the plans to the Death Star wouldn't go to the Palpatine then. What I didn't want to see but did: Lots of yammering about things we could have just been told about later. Do we have to see more scenes in the Senate? Boring! Lots of exposition. I'm sorry, I thought this was a kids movie. What we will see when the original trilogy is released on DVD: Temuera Morrison's voice dubbed onto every Stormtrooper. What I want to see in the next movie while they're explaining everything: an explaination of how the plans to the Death Star the rebels got a hold of have the dish on the equator. The reason these movies will never stack up to Star Wars, and we might as well get used to it: In Star Wars, us kids immediately related to Luke. He's stuck in the middle of nowhere. His friends got to do cool things. He parents(foster) are opressing him. Things we could all relate to. He was a normal teenager. Then he gets caught up in an adventure where he meets a father figure (Ben) who gives him cool hardware (lightsaber). He gets to travel and meets cooler people (Han), saves a beautiful princess, and pretty much winds up saving the universe. Not to shabby. With the subsequent films, the lack of a simple plot is overcome by the fact that we have grown to like the characters and are interested in them and what happens to them. What becomes interesting about ESB and ROTJ are the character arcs and plot takes a back seat -- or at least isn't as important to the viewer. With the new films, there's not reallt anyone for us to relate to. We can appreciate Obi and Ani and the like, but there isn't really anyone up there on the screen 'like me' that I can live the adventure through. That's why Star Wars will always be better. There isn't even a common thread to tie the film together. Who are the films about? Vader, Luke, who? If it's supposed to about the Republic, then this all becomes about as exciting as a Roman history lesson. I was hoping we'd see R2 and 3PO together from the beginning of TPM and they fall into the circumstances that the plot revolves around (much like in Star Wars) but I guess it was not to be. The films are really lacking the levity this duo brought to the original trilogy. Jar Jar Binks and their forced third reel hijinks don't quite do the job. There, I've rambled enough.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:45 a.m. CST

    dear god, you geeky losers!

    by cynicaster

    ok, of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion but c'mon, AOTC brilliant??? There was not one scene between amidala and anakin in which the sold out audience in my theater did not laugh, not one, it was a joke to them. the whole idea behind star wars in general is beautiful, yoda kicked ass true, the whole battle at the end was cool but could've been much better I think, when obi wan jumped through the window that was pretty badass too but that's it for me... those were the highlights for me. You can rationalize all you want harry, and geeky followers about how Anakin's and amidala's love works. lol, it doesn't, not in the least. Lucas fails to make us care, lucas fails to make us believe, lucas is a hack... The story IS too convoluted, we never are given a clear idea of what has happened and we leave feeling unsure about what we have just witnessed and this is not just a problem of script and plot it's Lucas again failing to make us give a shit. 2 1/2 stars maybe 3 just because, oh well. I'm not looking forward to episode 3 too much at this point, Matrix2/3 will be much much better, LOTR:TT and ROTK will be much much better. After seeing Peter Jackson do epic fantasy why even bother with the tired lucas formula.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Padme can't die during child birth

    by AICNFan

    In Return of the Jedi, when Leia and Luke are talking, Leia remembers her mother. She says her mother died when she was quite young. She was beautiful, but sad. No kidding. Sheesh. George Lucas is quite the storyteller. After my third viewing of this film, I like it even more. Well done, Mr. Lucas!

  • May 18, 2002, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Genius

    by David Brent

    I would like to congratulate Harry on yet another fantastic review, I feel he just gets better and better... Anyway, the film. LOVED IT!!!! It has surpassed my expectations and I am sure it will go down as a classic. One question though, why was it Qui-Gon didn't disappear?? I thought that was going to be cleared up in this one...Oh well, roll on episode three!!

  • May 18, 2002, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Anakin's Not In Love, He's OBSESSED / Although an Improv

    by NoCureForFools

    Anakin's Not In Love, He's OBSESSED: and i thought that was pretty cool and in keeping with the character he will eventually become. he's in a lot of pain, he's desperate and he's angry. he has no family, and the jedi code is a drag. he wants Padme to take his pain away. and it's not going to work... ***** AOTC is a big improvment over TPM, but still not nearly as good as the originals. sure, the visuals and FX outdo the originals by leaps and bounds, but there still is no character here, no heart. it is very much like a videogame. yes, OB1 and Jango are great. Anakin i think is dead on and creepy. Padme is gorgeous. but the dialouge is bad. just plain bad. yeah, sure, there's lots of corny dialouge in the OT, but it doesn't feel so flat and stiff. it feels alive and real. when Leia calls Han a "nerfherder", it's silly, but it works. you assume a nerfherder must be a nasty insult. when Anakin and OB1 have that incomprehensible banter about someonw falling into a Gundark hole (huh?), it makes no sense. it feels like nothing. finally, and worst of all, there is no sense of dramatic tension. when Shmi dies, there's no build up. it's like: oh there she is, now she's dead (flopping over like a wet muppet to boot). likewise, we get introduced to the idea of Count Dooku in the fist 5 minutes, and then you don't see or hear anything about him AT ALL until the last half hour. how can he possibly be threatening? moreover no scene lasts long enough for you to really care too much. it all feels rushed along into the next FX spectacle. for instance, i was legitimately touched by how desperate Anakin seems with Padme during that creepy fire scene and then it's WHOOSH! away to somewhere else without letting it sink in. likewise, Anakin's confession of the Tusken slaughter was getting to me, and then, before you can really feel anything. PRESTO CHANGO ROBOT something or other happens. i think what has happened here is that Lucas really isn't interested in character or drama at all anymore. he's interested in spectacle. and it is visually amazing. it is also legitimately exciting, but i just didn't care what happened TO ANYONE in the movie. it was just like: "wow, cool fight scene" and that's it. the thing that made Star Wars such a cultural force was it's characters and archetypes. it had the uncanny ability to take these B-Movie, Hollywood genre devices, mix in a little mysticism and mythology and became like a pop religion. this magic is gone. long gone. the Force doens't feel like this mystical, magical, pseudo-Buddhist power anymore -- it's beomce just something that allows you to pick up objects at a distance, open doors, blow up robots and do neat-o backflips. when you watch the original films, the Force seems like a really deep religious power. now it's pressing the X button for extra videogame excitement. the thing is that, as a spectacle and a legitamitely exciting action film, it works, it's fun and exciting, but as a Star Wars film, it's just okay. i can't believe that people are saying it's the best of the series. even the admittedly childish and diminished ROTJ had some key emotional moments with real dramatic tension and feeling: Yoda's death AND the final battle between Luke and Vader which still brings a tear to my eye! these new films don't have this. they just don't. and this magic is not coming back. i just hope that Lucas doesn't dick around with the OT anymore than he already has.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I remember.....

    by Wheatnik

    I had the utter joy of being able to watch AOTC on opening night with a giddy pro Star Wars crowd. I also had the joy of being able to take my little brothers to that same showing at midnight. They are 11 and 9, respectively. I am 27 and a lot of things in my life have become cliche and jaded upon knowing what truly makes things tick. My little brothers havent reached that point yet. They absolutely loved AOTC! As did I. I wont go on a 1000 word rant here but just suffice it to say that sometimes you have to remember why you fell in love with Star Wars in the first place. Most of you are probably in your 20s- 30s here, which means that you were my little brothers ages when the Original Trilogy was released. Those movies were just as critically lambasted as these new ones....there was no internet to propogate that hatred or general dislike. There was no Harry to flame. I am 28 years old and I absolutely loved AOTC and rank it somewhere either second or third....I'll decide that upon further viewings. Suspension of disbelief is something a lot of you have forgotten and I think that is sad. I am a huge fan of anything that will tell me a story outside the norm of todays hollywood J-Lo movie of the week mainstream. As I get ready to take my little bros to see it again, I remember. I remember what it was like to talk my dad into seeing ROTJ just one more time when I was 10. I remember seeing A New Hope for the first time on a gigantic drive in screen with shit sound and not ever being distracted once by the honking horns and fogged up windows. Many things have come to pass in my life since I had the simple joy of watching the Originals. But I remember what those feelings were like through each frame of AOTC. And I glance over at my bros and realize that George has done his job. Ask your parents if they like Star Wars. You'll find that only those of us with uber cool parents will get a response of yes. They lost that suspension of disbelief when the originals were released long ago. Dont lose yours now. AOTC rocked in my eyes. I'm not here to push that opinion on anyone. I just wish that you all could hold to the objectivity or your twenty somethings selves while allowing your hearts to revert back to when you were nine and the comparing and contrasting of movies didnt rule your lives. Open your eyes. This is Star Wars.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:56 a.m. CST

    only on the internet....

    by majorq007

    ..and how. most people i've talked to liked this movie quite a bit. its the internet sites where the hate-filled and the embittered anonymously come out of the woodwork. especially this site. there's not forum as rabidly mean-spirited as this one. whether it be LOTR, Spider-Man, or AOTC, i can always turn here for the spite-filled ramblings that are posted.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:01 p.m. CST

    When do we get to have fun?

    by Aracuan Bird

    You know, I was watching AOTC Thursday night and would be lying to say there weren't some bitchin' moments in the film. But Anakin comes off less as a future Vader, more as a future date-rapist. Scenes lack any sense of plausibility (okay, so I guess being a Jedi means you can fall 1000 ft and land on some metal sky-vehicle-thing and remain unscathed). The worst part for me? THIS THING IS NO FUN! Man, that's what I loved about Star Wars--these guys may be getting chased by stormtroopers or Vader or trash creatures, but they still seem like kids having fun. Luke may have become a square in Empire, but you still had Han trying to get his thing on with Leia, and you know he was enjoying himself. Heck, by Jedi, you've even got Lando cutting it up from time to time. Point is, it felt like the folks involved were enjoying themselves. In AOTC, I think, maybe Ewan has flashes of enjoyment, you have Sam Jackson who I think was just pleased as punch to have a purple lightsaber, and, I guess, you have Yoda, who was programmed to have fun. Maybe this trilogy can't be fun, maybe the story is too heavy, leading to too-serious a conclusion. If that's the case, then I guess that's where this series departs from the original and why it comes off as inferior for me. My take, though, is that too much time is being spent on contrived levity with peripheral characters, non on the principals, leaving Obi, Anakin, and Padme to exist as cardboard analogs to the more fun, more relevant Han, Luke, and Leia.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Wheatnik, you're saying the WORSE a movie is, the YOUNGER we

    by Arrogancy

    Your comments would make sense if some of these people didn't like escapist fare. But yet, they praise such movies as Spider-Man and LOTR. Thus, we are able to "revert back to childhood," when the movies are GOOD or at least decent! Or at least have a bit of heart. I guess Battlefield Earth wasn't a bad movie either, eh? I was supposed to revert back to a sperm while watching?

  • May 18, 2002, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Better than Menace or Jedi...As good as Empire

    by Mil Mascaras

    Okay! Finally! After a three year wait, my brother-in-law ( well...my girlfriend's brother ) and I went to see this opening night. First off...scary...the theater was not full. Really scary thing...people walked out!!! I am not joking! During the Padme/Anakin romp on the rolling hills of Naboo several people started walking out. I think I've walked out on two movies in my life ( one was Wild,Wild West ) I wondered if these were disappointed fans or just regular joes ( and jills ) who hated Anakin's horrible delivery. I dunno...but it was strange. Anyhow. I liked this movie. I hated ( really hated ) several parts of it, but in the long run, the plot really set things up and advanced the story. Things I didn't like/buy: Anakin waited ten years to rescue his mother from slavery. Harry, you said he wanted to return to her a full fledged Jedi? C'mon! Think of it this way, if one of your loved ones was being held on some dusty, crappy little planet as a SLAVE, would you hesitate for one second to rescue them? No! This was his mother! He would not be able to do a thing on Coruscant because his gut would be churning at the thought of his mother being OWNED by that slimy Watto. Also...slavery is illegal in the galaxy. Yes, the laws are not enforced as well on backwater worlds, but God, surely Amidala and the people of Naboo would have been grateful enough for young Anakin's help in defeating the Trade Federation to have rewarded him with something. "We thank you for your help, young Skywalker, you will be one to watch in the future...is there any way we can show our appreciation? "Yeah! Go get my Mom! Send a police force to Tatooine to enforce the laws against slavery!" This for me was one huge loophole. Another bad turn was the young love sequence. Surely Lucas could have written it more moving than that. Yes, young love is clumsy, but it is also powerful and confusing and you can't do a damn thing while it is consuming you, so why not convey that with good acting? I know what he was trying to do, he just failed miserably. Perhaps an actor's director would have brought the point across, who knows? Scenes like this should bring back memories for those of us who went through it in High School, instead, it made me want to hit the ff button and see how Obi-Wan was doing. Okay...that aside. I liked this movie. I put it up there with Empire Strikes back! Why? Jay-zus man, it is a major turning point in the saga. The Empire has just been set up behind the curtain, Anakin is being touched by the dark side ( he gave in to his anger ) The birth of Luke and Leia is not far off. Let me tell ya, this props up the original saga so well. It gives all the things we took at face value a genuine history. We see how bad things have gotten. Obi-Wan has gone from the hallowed halls of the Jedi Headquarters to some hovel in the desert. Master Yoda has gone into hiding on Dagobah, and the Jedi are nothing but a dream. Hokey religion, ancient weapon. Lines spoken in A New Hope now hit hard: "The Jedi are all but extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe. You my friend, are all that's left of their religion." This is a great movie when all is said and done. Remember, there were bad lines and delivery in Empire as well and we overlooked them. I think the problem lots of people have is that the saga started with the middle trilogy ( raise your hand if you remember when there were going to be nine movies ) and in a way, heard the punchline first and now are listening to the set up. One day, we'll have all the dvds set up in a row and we'll watch what is probably one of the greatest adventure stories to be filmed. That is going to be one hell of a weekend. Thanks George!

  • May 18, 2002, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Has anyone thought of this yet?

    by Entmoot

    So Anakin is throwing stuff around the workshop, and crying to padme about hs mom, and he says a line like 'some day I will be powerful enough to stop people from dying'.... Immediately I think of something that makes sense. Does Anakin figure out how to 'put Jedi into the force?' I mean.. If Anakin figures it out and lets Obi-wan and yoda know.. then that could be the reason why those three are at the end of Jedi, and Qui-gonn didn't come back as a ghost in episode 2.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Harry, that was the best review you've ever done. Good job,

    by jules windex

    For you AOTC haters, do you ever like movies? Sheesh! Why bother going to a movie if you want to hate it? And you have to WANT to hate this movie to hate it.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Clearly I've joined the Dark Side

    by Wushuliu

    By thinking that the movie was really terrible. I had no huge expectaions, i just expect a movie to do its job. I think most people watch these films as an event now, and don't really care how the individual films hold up. You cant watch the first three and then watch TPM and AOTC and tell me to my face that Lucas hasnt his grip on the whole series. AOTC didnt kick til the last 40 min, and even then people are right that the action scenes are frickin horribly edited, and NOTHING, NOTHING can forgive the dialogue that everyone but Ewan McGRegor and Chris Lee stumbled through. I think it's a sign of the times that people say ' oh sure, the dialogue wasn't so goo, the acting was a little wooden, but no, it's SUPPOSED to be that way, the movie ROCKED'. Hollywood has trained you well, young paduans....

  • May 18, 2002, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Jango's Wild-west style shotgun twirl after shooting that Je

    by togmeister

    I've seen it 3 times now and a packed house has loved it every time. And in each of the last 3 days, every show at my 'plex has sold out. The movie kicks ass.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:35 p.m. CST

    C'mon, This is obvious why Anakin didn't go back.

    by Entmoot

    Anakin's mother was captured and tortured by Tusken Raiders for a little more than a month - (we know this from Clegg Lars).. and Anakin has been recently having nightmares about his mother.. no duh.. he is having nightmares NOW because his mother is in pain, and that is why he needs to go back NOW and not earlier. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put that together. And it makes sense.. especially after Harry pointed out that Luke feels his sister is in pain/trouble when on degobah and leaves yoda's training in empire.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:37 p.m. CST

    If You Find Yourself Waiting For The Next Action Sequence To Get

    by The Founder

    I'm sorry to say, but Ep2 was a let down, and because it's Star Wars, the fans will force themselves to like it, myself included. Spiderman was a better movie. EP2 was VISUALLY A GREAT FILM, but that's not enough to make it classic, or tens of repeat viewings. The story was weak, and the dialogue between Anakin and Padme is mediocre, to cringe factor. I don't know why people praise Hayden and Portman, like they are great actors, because they aren't. Portman is WB material, and Hayden is a step higher, and he was not convincing at all. Yes EP2 was a let down, but YODA IN ACTION IS WORTH THE PRICE OF ADMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Entmoot...

    by Arrogancy

    Qui Gon DOES come back in Episode 2.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:46 p.m. CST

    best performance...

    by saintaugust

    natalie's portman's breasts. Did anyone else catch the THO on Tatooine? The first part of this movie sucked. Acting, Writing, Pacing - it should have been better. It's Lucas' 5th StarWars movie shouldn't we expect more than a mixed bag? Obi-Wan playing detective was amazing. Just like the original trilogy. I even like the intercutting with the Romance plot. The ending felt like a cheat though. The whole clone battle was cheesy and the jedi went down far too easy in the arena. As for Yoda and Dooku, to steal from a friend, I think Lucas shot his wad in the wrong direction. I hope Lucas doesn't direct the next one. The biggest problem with this one was his direction of the actors. That and the whole thing made absolutely no sense. Can someone please tell me why it's called "ATTACK OF THE CLONES"? even the title has nothing to do with the movie.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:47 p.m. CST

    NO STORY! NO SUBTEXT! NO SURPRISES! NO CLIFFHANGERS! NO POIN

    by Vynson

    Disappointed ** SPOILERS** I was 11 when I saw STAR WARS in the theatre back in 1977. I've been a geek for it ever since. I even liked THE PHANTOM MENACE. I've really been looking forward to ATTACK OF THE CLONES. I wanted to love it. It was eye candy and noise. I loved the Yoda/Dooku fight, Sam L. Jackson kicking ass, and Natalie Portman's... oh yeah. But you have to wonder, if Mace and Yoda are so badass, why did they send QuiGon Jinn and Obi Wan after DarthMaul in EPISODE I instead of stomping his ass themselves? Why did Yoda retire to the swamps of Dagobah instead of kicking Vader's ass and then going after the Emperor? Why didn't the Jedi just shut down all the battle droids? In Episode I or II? Use the force, you idiots? And don't tell me there are too many. "Judge me by my size do you?" Size matters not. So why didn't Yoda just toss the Death Star into a red sun and watch it explode? "Do or do not. There is no try." What is the point of these movies if the Jedi Masters are really so powerful? Episode II was the weakest chapter in the saga so far. Not much going on really. Anakin arriving 20 seconds before Shmi's death was a bit contrived for me. The love story was unoriginal. Anakin is a jerk. No reason in the world for the mature Padme to be attracted to him. The Jedi order seems to demand a dedication that makes a monk's committment look like a 10 minute stint in the cub scouts. After 10 years, Anakin is still acting like this? They showed his struggle with the dark side in the most obvious and superficial way possible. Can you imagine a zen monk who has been in the order for a decade throwing a temper tantrum? The Jedi order requires far more committment. Yoda has been a Jedi for damn near a millenium. This is not Chess Club. There is no way I can believe that the Jedi Counsel or Obi Wan Kenobi have continued to train Anakin with that attitude. His shift should have been subtle. Profound. Seething from deep within... struggling to remain... calm. Instead of a pressure cooker, Anakin is just a volcano blowing up every ten minutes as if Lucas is pointing and yelling "look everybody, he can't resist the dark side." He might as well have been wearing a "Darth Vader Lives" t-shirt. It looked like the actors were trying to pull off the clumsy dialog, but whew... a lot of it stunk. Dialogue has never been Lucas' forte. He writes entirely on the nose. No subtext here at all. There are always those profound statements that ring with a false clunk scattered throughout the STAR WARS saga, but they were pretty bad here. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I crave a little subtlety of plot, a little subtext, a little more attention to plot now that I'm an adult. Maybe its just kiddie fare and I want too much. Maybe. But why do I still enjoy the other films, including TPM? Sheer nostalgia? And where are the surprises? Anakin and Padme fall in love. We all knew that was going to happen. We just didn't realize what a boring, straightforward, cliched non-event it would be. This is Darth Vader's one and only love affair for crying out loud... the union that produces Luke and Leia. What's up with this lame writing? Darth Vader falls in love. How would YOU write that? We learn that Dooku was Yoda's Padwan and that QuiGon was Dooku's Padwan. OK. Cool enough, but hardly the Saturday Morning Serial Shocker that pays off. Where's the cliffhanger? Where's the shocking news? Where's something new? Where's the revelation or payoff for anything? Where's the "Luke, I am your father?" Plenty of action. No real story. Protect the Senator. Fly around like idiots waiting on the Sith to unfold their plan. Take a meeting. Take another meeting. Blah blah blah. And are we really to expect that Padme, who has risked her life and the lives of others to serve Naboo is really going to pass her Senatorial power to Jar Jar Binks? She's smarter than that. Jar Jar couldn't be entrusted with a drawing of Padme's dog's latest bowel movement much less with her proxy. And why are these people hopping around the galaxy like they are driving around the block? What kind of SciFi is this? Lucas seems to have abandoned all sense of the time space travel takes... a sense of time he established well in A NEW HOPE and continued until now. And the pantheistic religion of Jedi is becoming more and more nonsensical as a story element. I get the whole zen/force thing, but Lucas needs to stop contradicting himself. Jedi keep telling their Padwans "Don't think. Feel." "Reach out with your feelings." And yet all emotions are pretty much forbidden to Jedi. They are to avoide hate, anger, fear, love... and yet they are also to avoid reason and logic and all things intellectual. So just what is it they are supposed to feel? On what are they supposed to base their lifelong committment? The answer, as should be evident to all by now, is merchandising. Here's hoping EPISODE III is better. I imagine it will bring us a lot of death. The deaths of many Jedi, notably, Mace Windu. The death of Padme, perhaps, but also her attraction and marriage to Bail Organa. More tantrums from Anakin. Probably his getting ousted from the Jedi order for getting hitched to Padme. I suspect the revelation that Anakin is not the product of immaculate conception but that Shmi was not his mother, that she was simply an incubator for a clone... of Dooku or the Emperor. Then there is the answer to the duality of Palpatine/Sidious. Since AOTC gave us no answers and no real advancement of plot, Episode III has a lot to do besides merely giving us... ...Vader. I want to love it.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Why the Newer Movies have lost their Soul

    by Verisof

    I tried to post here just after I'd seen Episode II, but couldn't because the flood of users trying to post must have brought Harry's servers to their knees. For the record, I loved this movie. It was the best Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back, hands down. I'd say it was better than Star Wars, but that one was just so much raw fun and is so etched in my mind as an EXPERIENCE (for a 13-year old) that I can't really compare the two. Also, for the record, I didn't think it was as good as the Fellowship of the Ring because I am above all a fan of movies that are character driven. The primary flaws of Clones are twofold: 1) Lucas' dialogue & 2) Very reserved performances by some of the actors at points. Both of these points have been made numerous times by critics of this movie and by fans on these posts. However, it surprises me that no one has really put their finger on WHY the acting seems to be very stilted at times. I don't think it's because of the actors hired to play the parts. I've seen them in other roles and, believe me, they rock. We've also beaten George's dialogue to death and he, even by his own admission, is primarily a VISUAL movie maker. He's into making gorgeous images, camera angles, and shots. Direction and speakable dialogue (not prose from the King James bible) are are NOT his strong suites. Let's face it, ANY actor would have a hard time with this dialogue. Doing Shakespeare might actually be easier than some of these lines. (Trust me, I've done it. . .) I think the REAL problem that the Star Wars films seem to have lost their freshness is primarily because so much of it is digitally done now. I know that they have always been special effects laden, but it has become so much more of a post-production exercise that something is lost in the translation. Acting is as much about reacting as it is ACTING. When the vast majority of your reaction isn't even there to get while you are filming, then it is no surprise that your performance will come off a little stilted and wooden. I don't care HOW great an actor you are, it is just difficult to pull off. Throw in a director who isn't really great at managing human interactions (merely visual images) and you have the answer to our riddle. What could be done? Lucas would be better off hiring another director like he did with Empire to take this load off him. It's not his forte and he should just admit it. When I say that it wasn't as good as Fellowship of the Ring, I want to be clear that that is no disgrace. I just recently rewatched it and found that I loved the care in which the intimate relationships were cared for. Gandalf's tender dealing with an angry Bilbo, Frodo's innocence, the small reactions of the other Hobbits in the Shire. Lucas got the sprawling saga part of it down, but suffers a little in the human details of the film. My reaction? WHO CARES!! It's a great film. I'm taking my wife to see it today (oh darn, gotta go again. . .) I'll see it many times again and enjoy the ride. Okay, off my soap box. Go see this one guys.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Surprisingly Great

    by Qwaz

    Having read many negative reviews I was worried about this film. I adore the original trilogy and utterly despised "The Phantom Menace". Well I just saw Ep. 2 last night and I'm telling you.... This might be the BEST Star Wars movie yet... maybe even better than "Empire Strikes Back". The story is intricate and complex and leaves you pondering many things after it is over. The STORY is the best part of this movie, and Episode II is where we see things start to come together. The relationship between the empire and the republic. The failure of Yoda and the Jedi. The dangers of a society giving up hard won freedoms and liberties when faced with a perceived threat. GREAT THEMES. CG characters are much less intrusive than in TPM and Jar Jar isn't even annoying for the few minutes he is on the screen. This movie is dripping with symbolism and foreshadowing and I LOVE it. I saw this movie in a DLP equipped theater and the battle scenes and sound were amazing. There were some flaws, but nothing that took you out of the movie like in Episode I. Yes, Episode I sucked, but not Episode II. See it on the biggest, baddest screen you can find. Make sure they sound is turned up enough so you can FEEL the sonic mines explode. See it soon, with an appreciative crowd. This movie is greatness, and I'm going to see it again today. STAR WARS IS BACK!

  • May 18, 2002, 12:54 p.m. CST

    LOTR: RIP

    by jmachinder

    The BOOKS of Lord of the Rings aren't as good as the Star Wars Holiday Special.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:55 p.m. CST

    I didn't go into this film trying to hate it.

    by Lidane

    On the contrary. I was looking forward to it, saying it was going to kick ass, that the trailers only teased the audience, it would be better, etc. I looked forward to AOTC, and did my damndest to stay as spoiler free as possible, so I could go in with a clean slate and take this film in on its own terms. TPM had its moments, and I was hoping that the 10-year time span in the story would have developed far more than what happened. I've been a Star Wars fan practically my whole life. I saw the first one in 1977 at the age of 4 in the back of my uncle's convertible at a drive-in theater. I still have my 1983 Burger King glasses, and the toys that I had as a little girl (yes, I'm female, a sci-fi/fantasy geek, into anime and comics, and yes, a Star Wars fan), including the Millennium Falcon I would "fly" around while my friends had their X-Wings and TIE Fighters. I loved this film, and I wanted to love AOTC. But one of the basic problems is one The Founder mentioned-- waiting around for the next action sequence because everything in between them sucks ass. Lucas should have produced this film, and overseen the effects, but give the directing and screenplay over to people who know their way around flesh and blood actors, and storytelling, character development and depth. I wanted to love this film, and tried to shake my doubts while seeing it in the theater, but there's no way I can delude myself. I'm sorry but it's true. :(

  • May 18, 2002, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Overall, i loved it....

    by spideyman1218

    But George Lucas has to stop bringing in our everyday life into this mythic saga. It started with the AWFUL announcer of the Pod Race in TPM, that was straight out of Nascar, and continued here when, right in the middle of the story, as I was settling down into this world he had created, that WE GO TO A DINER!!! It took me right out of the movie for a couple of minutes. Dex could have easily been a dark-alley kind of guy, but no, we get something that looks like Johnny Rocket's. It was jarring.

  • May 18, 2002, 12:58 p.m. CST

    attack of the clones

    by greenlightscafe

    I have an idea for all those people who seem so against STAR WARS EPISODE II. Write a quick shopping list of what you expect, see the movie, then write another column of what was delivered. This is my list. 1. Clones 2. Anakin turns nasty. 3. Physicality 4. comic relief 5. wierd creatures, aliens with funny names 6. gadgets, flying stuff 7. planets, different landscapes 8. sound editing 9. dialogue and emotion 10. sci-fi 11. simple good and evil 12. grandiose scale of space and battles on land Many were anticipating this to be the Clone Wars, but he delivered how and why and where clones are made. The actual wars come in Episode III. In AOTC we see exactly how Anakin is turning from that sweet hopeful 9 year old into a petulant, can't have his own way teenager. And when his mother dies he slaughters them all and loves it. The physicality of STAR WARS was always in your face, from the looming spacecraft in 1977. Here they have lumbering transports, great helicopter type gunships and a neato Obi docking craft for planetary touchdown. Comic relief is CP-3O, and he's in great form. Some of the funniest lines in the movie are from his Blessed circuits. Creatures? Lots of them. Especailly at the execution arena. And those nice people who build the clones. Gadgets? All kinds of flying stuff, the com unit to send message, the hologram communications (=visual phone?), the lightsabers in different colors. Great sound editing, the swoosh of the lightsabers. I noticed some sequences didn't have sound because the score replaced most of it. Dialogue and emotion. I felt Anakin's awkward moments at pitching his love for the Queen now Senator he can't have. A talkbacker had a good point--why does the duty bound Queen, now Senator go for him. Why him? And nobody else. Yes, the love story is a little too pat, but I didn't dislike it. Sci-fi? Not in the traditional sense. It's not DOWN BELOW STATION, one of our favorites. But it shows the development of trends of today. The cloning thing is extraordinarily timely, as too the Emergency War Powers. Yes, a simple good and evil. The more Palpaltine seems to be accomodating and reluctant, the more he's admitting like he's the culprit. And he lays the seed for Anakin that he can be the most powerful Jedi ever. Who knew it was a competition. And yes, we have the grandiose scale of space and land with splendid action sequences in both. What's not to like?

  • May 18, 2002, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Prove me wrong, please

    by Malik23

    Instead of insulting people who have problems with AOTC, why not rebut their points? Prove them wrong! If you all can

  • Anakin's fall IS the center of these films, Harry. The Fall of the Republic is the Civil War in Gone With the Wind. It's not the part we are connecting with, and you of all people should know the fricking difference. And Harry, the love story doesn't work. A lot about the film does, but not the love story. You're right that the tricky part is Padme's falling in love with Anakin, but I do not buy your "c'est, l'amore," lame-ass explanation. When Anakin kisses her by the lake, I didn't feel it had been earned, or that she'd return the kiss. Of course he *wants* her, I have no doubt he's interested in her. But the film doesn't give us her side. I thought at first in that scene where she was in her bedroom and Obi Wan and Anakin are talking that she was listening to them and I thought how brilliant that was. Except she wasn't listening, she was sleeping. There a hundred missed opportunities like that. We should have seen Anakin's reaction to her "you'll always be the little boy from Tatooine." The two of them should have shared a conversation that outlasted a minute! Or at least they should have said more meaningful things to each other. Even so, none of the scenes with Anakin and Padme felt finished, especially all the ones from the kiss to their leaving Naboo. They felt like commercial breaks advertising a love story spliced in between the scenes of Obi Wan solving a mystery. Don't tell me this worked, I know it didn't. Many things in the film DID work. The Jango/Boba stuff was excellent, the beginning and Coruscant were excellent, the attempts at banter between Anakin and Obi Wan were admirable if not sufficient(more than welcome after the stale exchanges of Obi Wan and Qui Gon), the Kamino cloning place was perfect, the Lars family homestead all looked good anyway--though why the hell Anakin didn't come back to free his mother of even write to her in ten years is a plot hole the size of an whale-worm-infested asteroid. I loved the politicing this time, no it was not confusing like the critics keep saying(and then they say it's all too childish, isn't that a nice paradox on their part). I didn't go for the Yoda fight like others did, he looked like a mosquito and I kept expecting Dooku to growl "Damn pest!" But for the most part I enjoyed the movie. It's just that love story that fizzles. It wasn't real--and yes, I think that's a valid complaint in a fantasy movie. You can break the rules of reality for many things, but not with human characters. They have to be real people, they have to react to each other in a real way, because WE need to relate to them. Cliches might happen in real life, but that doesn't change that using them as the sole representation of a romance is unimaginative and vapid. These lovers had no chemistry, and I'm not sure if it's all Lucas's fault, or if it's the actors, or if they all share a portion of blame. I don't agree at all that she was pushing him away because he was acting macho in Coruscant only to reveal the boy inside later. You call that blubbering he did in her bed room macho? No, he was being childish, the boy in him was showing even then. She was right, he's still the boy from Tatooine. And the fact that she falls in love with that boy makes me want to know more about HER, but alas, she's a female character and Lucas can't handle that. I like that there was an effort to defy a big gender cliche--the man here is a boyish whiner, and the woman's a emotionless statue. That Lucas has them share a moment of pain for Anakin is good, but it still doesn't come through in the end--NO, Williams's score didn't fill in the gaps either. It still slips into cliche(yes, cliches are bad, don't review again until you understand that) in that it comes off as a dispassionate trist between a hot head and an ice queen. Maybe to a thirteen year old the love-talk works, but to anyone older(mentally or otherwise) it's a clunker. Thank god Lucas hasn't erased Han and Leia from ESB...yet.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:15 p.m. CST

    About the pillar

    by JohnLocke59

    To the people complaining that it looks stupid for Yoda to struggle with the pillar because size matters not - Why don't you fucking pay attention to the movie before you start bitching about it. Dooku doesn't life the pillar up and then drop it on them, he blows up some circuits or something to destroy the pillar's foundation, and then it falls over on its own. Seriously...a couple reviews had that scene as a major plot hole bitchpoint or something - wake up!

  • It's so clear. Right before she suddenly kisses Anakin out of the blue, she touches, does a little Jedi mindtrick gesture, then after the kiss, THE MUSIC ABRUPTLY STOPS, like the spell is suddenly broken! Then, when he's waving his hands to make the fruit levitate in front of Amidala, HE'S DOING IT AGAIN! It's so obvious people! And for those of you who say, Anakin wouldn't do such a thing, just check out the nightclub scene -- you know, the one where Kenobi uses the Jedi Mindtrick to convince the deathstck dealer to go home and rethink his life. Well, right before that Anakin uses the mindtrick to make an alien chick scope him out! See it for yourselves and rwalize that Lucas has created something much deeper here than a simple "romance." This could be the a vital element to what will take place in Episode 3. I'm SHOCKED that not a lot of other people seem to notice this.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I Loved AOTC but hated Phantom Mennace

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Attack of the clones put Star Wars back on the map. It' no where near as good as Star Wars or Empire. But is 1,000 times better than that piece of shit Phantom Mennace. I thought it was a really fun film that had alot of action in it. Just think how much more action AOTC has in it compared to Star Wars. How could anybody say it was boring? I thought the plot with it's shades of gray was the most complex of the entire series. I agree with everything Harry had to say.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Why it's boring

    by Arrogancy

    Since some of you "supporters" seem to have a lack of attention span that allows you to read WHY people dislike the movie, I'll repeat it again: Action without character development is USELESS. Nobody cares about what is going to happen to characters that they aren't made to empathize with or believe with. AOTC is like watching someone else play a video game.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Why Qui-Gonn didn't disappear...

    by VespinFeebler

    To those who are wondering why Qui-Gonn didn't disappear, like Obi-Wan did when he died. I think, though I'm not entirely sure, that Qui-Gonn didn't follow the Jedi code and hence didn't become one with the force (as we usually see it). Why he wasn't in Episode II, I guess they didn't need him. But I think I heard his voice, during Anakin's uber-massacre. When it cuts to Yoda in his chambers, you can hear two voices or so yelling, one of them is Qui-Gonn. Anyways, I think Episode II is a great movie. It's just below ESB on my list. No, I can't really give you any plausible reasons. But it's been my knowledge that if you like a movie, it hits on a more emotional level than when you hate a movie. That's why people who hate movies always come up with reasons, though many, I suspect, are blown out of proportion. Also, I agree with Harry on the love story part. They're kids, never been with anyone else, that's how they act. I'm 19 and that's how my g/f and I act, maybe not as much anymore, but it's still there. And I'll be damned if I don't think it's a good thing. Episode II lays the groundworks for the hopefully ultimate-kick ass Episode III. And it also makes Episde I look better.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Don't attack this clone, for what he's about to say !

    by luke_starkiller

    I'm crushed!!!!!! - this is the FIRST-TIME-EVER, that I've been disappointed by a "STAR WARS" film, "AOTC" is nothing more than an Informercial for ILM!!!!!!. My head was physically numb, after having sat through this hollow, unmemorable, CGI blur of a film, for TWO-AND-A-HALF HOURS!!!!!!!. "AOTC", manages to get wrong, just about EVERYTHING that "STAR WARS" ALWAYS got right!!!!!, from Yoda being a cheap, 2-D cartoon, to Boba Fett being an 8 year old kid - AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!! - and both Yoda's lightsabre battle, and the "Fett Family" nonsense, were embarrassing!!!!!!!!!. The arena finale was terrible!!!!! (who the hell designed those creatures???!!!!!????), if they had of been battling Rancors, the scene would have been AWESOME!!!!!, it was a lame rip-off of "GLADIATOR", but instead of it being the Christians, it's was the CHRISTENSEN's being thrown to the lions!!!!!!!!!! - or whatever the hell that cat creature was????!!!!????. Poor old 3PO and R2 had nothing to do during the film, Christopher Lee was wasted!!!!, and not even dear old John Williams came up with anything memorable. "STAR WARS" ALWAYS had great moments: THE TRENCH RUN, THE POD RACE, UNMASKING VADER etc. etc. - this film had NONE!!!!!!!!!!, and when you have to be reminded how the film actually ended - that's pretty bad!!!!!!. This is a lazy film that - UNLIKE ALL THE OTHER EPISODES - just sits back, and lets it's FX tell the story - A BILLION FX DO NOT A GREAT FILM MAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Well done Mr. Luca$$$$$, you've just wasted an entire Episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Actually, i think AOTC is the BEST acted of all the SW movies so

    by togmeister

    I really don't get the criticism. Just look at the scene in Jango's apartment, the way Morrison and Mcgregor create an atmosphere of instant dislike, wariness and mistrust beneath the veneer of courtesy. The line 'always a pleasure to meet a Jedi', the way Tem Morrison spins that line to mean 'i'm gonna kick your ass'. Look at two subtle moments in Lee's performance. First, the moment when Mace refuses to surrender and Dooku sighs before giving the battledroids the order to fire. These are his old friends, after all. Then there's the moment where he seems almost regretful that he cut off Anakin's arm. Lee gives Dooku a complexity and, yes, even charm, that to my mind Peter Cushing's performance as Tarken never achieved to this extent. I can go on..... look at the death of Shmi, the way Christensen registers sorrow, confusion then hatred in one close-up without any dialogue at all. Even the maligned Portman underplays the love pledge scene so well that i know many girls (some of you may have heard of these creatures)went teary at that moment. And Mcgregor was so splendid throughout (check out his obvious affection for Dex, or the way Obi-Wan bluffs his way through his first meeting with the Kaminoans), that, as Moriarty has said, he has honored Alec Guinness' portrayal while adding new licks of his own. The acting in AOTC was fine.

  • May 18, 2002, 1:55 p.m. CST

    i agree togmeister...

    by majorq007

    ...the most perplexing thing about the movie was trying to decipher WHY people had issues with the acting. i found it quite good all around. but i guess that makes me a moron. and am i the only one who WAS emphasizing with the characters and the situation? i found myself surprsingly concerned with these people, especially considering the complex nature of the plot. a fun movie, and a great addition to the Star Wars canon.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Hey DESTROYA!

    by Darth Melkor

    Maybe they haven't seen it yet. But they hadn't seen it then either now had they? And yet tearing it down was cool.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:05 p.m. CST

    AOTC must overcome backlash from Phantom Mennace

    by DARTH VOODOO

    I submit that all the negitive backlash that the Star Wars franchise is suffering now all stems from that over hyped piece of shit The Phantom Mennace. After waiting 16 years for a new Star Wars film and getting that mess of a film we all felt betrayed. I think the fanbase felt it was impossible for the first new SW film in 20 years to be bad. Well, it was from Jar,Jar to Yippie to fart jokes TPM was the biggest cinematic disappointment ever. Star Wars to many people is more than a film, it's (As geeky as it sounds) a way of life. After waiting for 16 years and getting TPM I needed Prozac for 6 months after. On the other hand AOTC is everything I had hoped TPM would have been. If AOTC had been the first of the new Star Wars films to come out we would not be hearing all this negitive SW talk. Every person I know who has seen AOTC has said the same thing. They were suprised how good it was. They all went not expecting alot from the film but coming away happy. On the other hand we all expected the world from TPM and got a really bad film. I think the majority of the Star Wars fan base had this mindset going into AOTC and was just looking for things to criticize in the new film. This is not going to be easy for the film to overcome. I think that this will make the least amount of money of any of the SW films (Inflation taken into account) but will in the end be considered a very good SW film. I agree it's not a perfect film and not in the league of SW or ESB. BUT IT IS A VERY GOOD FILM THAT PUTS STAR WARS BACK ON THE MAP.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:11 p.m. CST

    AOTC IS MY FAVORITE STAR WARS!!

    by hoorayforeric

    AOTC ROCKED!! GOTTA SEE AGAIN AND AGAIN! DIGITAL WAS COOL...BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN REGULAR!! Our crowd was cheering all throughout the film!! ONE OF THE COOLEST MOVIES EVER!! Sonic Charges!!! WOW!! YODA....WOW!! AOTC......WOW WOW WOW!!!!!! One of the most beautiful, imaginative exciting movies of all time!!! BRING ON EP. III!! THANK GOD!!

  • May 18, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    BIG PROBLEMS

    by esper999

    I didn't read all these comments, so I hope no one beat me to it, but this film has HUGE problems just like the last one when it comes to Star Wars continuity. It shows a sloppiness that's very disappointing to me. WARNING: THERE ARE SPOILERS: Uncle Owen is introduced and he looks to be a young man in his 20s. He's revealed to be the half-brother of Anakin Skywalker. Big problem. The last movie took place ten years ago when Anakin was 9. In this movie Anakin is 19. His mother was a virgin in the last movie, so how does she have a son who is 20+ years old with a man she meets after the last movie? Owen should be no more than nine years old here. And why do the bad guys wonder where the clone army came from? Jango Fett is the source and knows all about them. The bad guys created the army! Yet they all go "Where did they come from?" Unless Jango was working for someone else and Dooku was being played by Sidious. Maybe Sidious isn't Palpetine. Maybe the supposedly dead Master Siphodious is alive and a Sith. It still doesn't make sense. Count Dooku says: "The Republic will pay for this betrayal!" Uh, excuse me, but Dooku is trying to destroy the Republic. Who can the Republic betray him when he is betraying them? Why are so many plants trying to leave the Republic. No answer is given. C3P0 recognizes Anakin immediately in this one, except he was a child the last time he saw him. How can he tell he is Anakin now and yet doesn't know who Owen is in A New Hope? They are staying with them in this movie! Isn't it a little stupid to hide Luke Skywalker with Darth Vader's step brother? Maybe it's hide in plain sight, but come on! Vader doesn't even get a clue when the robots turn up at Owen's place. And what a huge coincidence that r2D2 and C3PO just happen to be bought by Owen in A NEW HOPE, as they used to hang out with the dude. I could go on.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    AOTC is a very good if not great Star Wars film

    by DARTH VOODOO

    AOTC is a real return to form for the SW franchise. It is a far more mature film than the last SW film. It also has the most action of any of the SW films. I can't undestand the people who said this film was boring. Were they watching the same movie I was watching? The chase at the start of the film alone is enough to satisfy me.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Surprising indeed

    by Superdudebobby

    Hating TPM, I expected AOTC to suck as well and am completely flabberghasted that it doesn't. It's good! Better than ROTJ, way better than TPM. Not quite as stirring and elegant as ANH/ESB, but fun, engrossing and highly likeable. My faith has been largely restored! Whodathunkit?

  • May 18, 2002, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Poor scripting, editng and pacing; good to awesome visuals

    by Red Giant

    Pretty much sums up what others have said. I saw this on Friday at 1pm with most of the Visual Studio division at Microsoft. Now, this is a group of fans if there ever was one. And the only outright excitement was during Yoda's fight (from a combination of nostalgia at finally seeing why he is the grand master, and partly from the sheer lunacy of watching him twirl around). The only other reactions during the movie? Some groand and giggles at many points, never a "this is so cool" expression of WOW or anything. Ever. Through over 2 hours. End credits rolling - no applause at all, no one watching the credits. The talk on the way out of the theatre? I few snickering, a few mad as hell, many discussing scenes in a "why did they think that would work" sort of way.****** Bottom line: it has great graphics but honestly, a movie that makes you understand and like characters first is what then makes the backgrounds and vistas seem so important. CGI alone is empty and soulless, and that is what practically all my co-workers thought of AOTC. George, please let someone else direct and script EP III.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:22 p.m. CST

    ATTACK OF THE CLONE SETS BOX OFFICE RECORD FOR MID WEEK OPENING

    by DARTH VOODOO

    According to reuters, ATTACK OF THE CLONES set a box office record for a mid week opening. It made just over $30 million dollars on Thursday. Which is made even more impressive considering it was on alot less screens than Spiderman, Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. PERHAPS STAR WARS IS NOT AS DEAD AS SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:24 p.m. CST

    someone needs to point out examples where the editing and pacing

    by majorq007

    cause really, i just don't see that criticism anywhere in the film. at all. what is it you all are referring to here?

  • May 18, 2002, 2:25 p.m. CST

    No, Leia cannot be older than Luke. DUH!

    by Riverdancer

    At least not significantly. They're twins, remember?

  • May 18, 2002, 2:27 p.m. CST

    funny thing about the box office...

    by majorq007

    ...is how all the articles point out how it didn't beat Spider-Man, while failing to mention how it runs longer and played on much fewer screens.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I think the main problem people have is this:

    by Riverdancer

    You are trying to compare something you saw as a child that filled you with wonder with the current movies. You want to recreate that wonder and amazement you felt 20+ years ago. But you can't. You're older, you're more cynical. It's like going back to your elementary school when you are a grownup. The place used to be so big, you could barely reach the water fountains, and now it all seems to be in miniature. You will never be 15 again, or 5, or 25. More than 20 years have passed since you fell in love with it, and you have changed. The movie isn't going to change you back.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:35 p.m. CST

    An easy analogy

    by WarTourist

    It was The Last Crusade to Episode 1's Temple of Doom. Progress, but barely measurable. As bad as episode 1 was (and to be honest, I kinda liked it), I don't remember people laughing in the theater at so many non-intentionally funny moments. 2+ hour science fiction/action movies should have more 'neato' moments than you can get your mind around. This one had like 5. And if "I hate it when he does that" passes for wit in Lucas' mind, he needs to get more. I get the distinct impression all his cronies we're watching George run amok and saying "Yeah George, great idea. But can we lower the light levels in the yoda battle? Lee's looking a little un-jedi like". He's like an indie film maker in the sense he doesn't care about what people think about his movie, but an indie film maker with a blank check. Nobody wants to read a poem by someone who can't write a coherent paragraph, and what we have here is an epic poem by someone barely conversational in film.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:35 p.m. CST

    http://www.petitiononline.com/ingorant/petition.html

    by Specter22

  • May 18, 2002, 2:37 p.m. CST

    majorq, try reading , the editing problems were pointed out MANY

    by Arrogancy

    Is it me, or do the majority of the Star Wars gushers have a problem with reading? Of course, that may explain why they liked the movie so much. If they don't have the comprehension to understand some of these simple reviews, why would they care about writing or character develpment when there are KEWL LASERS AND LIGHTSABERS!

  • May 18, 2002, 2:38 p.m. CST

    The audience laughed at Yoda?

    by Cap'n Chaos!

    Cripes, both times I saw it the audience went one-hundred percent apeshit! His introduction to the scene, both times he struck his bad-ass "bring it" pose and when he started up his lightsaber all brought huge rounds of applause and when he charged into battle the place almost had the roof go off! I have NEVER heard it that loud in the theater. And there WAS a hefty round of applause after the film was over at the midnight show. I liked it the first time and loved it the second. (Maybe because the second time there wasn't some fucking drunken asshole jabbering through the whole thing like a retarded monkey.) I feel so sorry for people that couldn't enjoy this movie.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Thank You Harry

    by erasmus1

    I'm not even going to waste time reading all the posts criticizing Harry, but this review, as his previous one, is dead on. I agree 100%. This is a great movie, and if you didn't love it, I'm sorry, but I guess that's that. I've plenty of bad reviews, and was afraid to see it almost, but am so glad I did, and will be doing so again very shortly. Thank you, Harry, for your enthusiasm and your wonderful comments!

  • May 18, 2002, 2:45 p.m. CST

    AOTC in at No. 113 in IMDB all-time chart, just so you know.....

    by togmeister

    ANH is number 9, ESB is number 15, ROTJ is number 117 and TPM, not surprisingly, isn't ranked at all.

  • May 18, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST

    The entire Top 250 from IMDb

    by Lidane

    http://us.imdb.com/top_250_films

  • Everybody seems to love the original trilogy. At that time most of us were young and optimistic about the future. Sixteen years passed, and the new trilogy began. Now some love the new trilogy and some don't, which is fine. But some of you who don't care for the new episodes seemed to be filled with cynicism and hate for not only the movies but the people who like them. You spew vile at people simply because they enjoyed a movie. It seems like your life after the first trilogy sucked and you are turning against everything that you once enjoyed. What I want to know is WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU THAT TOTALLY FUCKED YOU UP? Are you still living at home? Did the football team beat you up in high school? Did your one and only girlfriend dump you for your best friend? Are you working at McDonald's? What?

  • May 18, 2002, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Some questions to answer

    by Red Giant

    Here are some questions that I heard asked, anyone want to try answering? (1) Why is there a "wind sail" on a spaceship, supposed coolness aside?, (2) How do rockets and spaceships fly in an asteroid field as if there is an atmosphere to buffet and help turn them? The only way to have anything approaching the sorts of non-banking dodging moves is if there was air of something there. Otherwise you would need huge side thrusters firing all the time and there were none so the flight paths of most things in the entire asteroid sequence were very wrong and fake. (3) Jedi can block laser shots with sabers, that's fine. But how do they block, say, 30 simultaneously and why don't the droids (there are many hundreds if not thousands) fire at the SAME TIME on any Jedi, killing him/her, then move to the next. Even uncoordinated attacks on whomever is the closest Jedi would produce this effect. Reminds me of a bad martial arts film where all the bad guys sit around doing nothing waiting for their "turn" instead of just rushing the way-outnumbered but superior talented Jedi. (4) How does Padme fall out of the ship onto the desert sands, get up unscathed, and declare "We need to get to the hangar"? How does she know there is such a thing ahead when she falls out literally miles away from where they end up chasing Dooku? (5) How do those wispy aliens on Kamino fail to recognize Obi-Wan doesn't know a thing about the cloning project? He doesn't seem to know that clones are what is being produced, who asked for them or what they are for until told. So why aren't those aliens able to notice that? (6) Why does Shmi die so conveniently? 10+ years apart from her son, 30 days supposedly kidnapped, and then the literal minute he finds her she says "I'm complete, buh-bye"? (7) Why does Anakin allow his own mother to remain a slave for 10+ years in the first place? The Jedi Council would easily allow this humanitarian act very early after adopting him as an apprentice, especially to ease his mind and make his training more focused instead of (rightfully) worrying about his mother's safety? (8) Why do the Jedi stay in the low-ground, center of a huge open-space arena to be surrounded by thousands of ranged attackers? This is the worst possible tactic that any novice would know. Why not flip up into the stands like they can do and make their way to the ultimate objective (I hope) which is Dooku and his entourage? (9) How does C3PO recognize his "maker" (Anakin) who doesn't visibly resemble himself from the last time C3PO saw him, and fail to use whatever that same cognitive technique is (whatever it might be) to recognize Owen as well as the moisture farm itself in EP IV? (10) How does the opening chase scene start with Obi-Wan falling off the droid many, MANY thousand feet and being resuced by a diving Anakin, to now be RIGHT BEHIND Zem at the same lateral position? Zem is easily a mile above them and prsumably heading away to escape. (11) Also how does Anakin jump out of the speeder, fall a few thousand feet and land on Zem's speeder? Even allowing for the ridiculouslessness of doing that assuming he would somehow happen to be in the right spot, the idea of breaking his fall with the Force, etc - Zem took a lateral, horizontal shortcut with NO indication of downward tunneling (and it would seem utterly stupid to have a downward tunnel when you could just fly, you know, down outside). This is the second example in that chase scene of utterly ridiculous continuity with regard to where the parties should be positioned relative to each other. Yes, I know it is a spac chase scene but make the physics at least understandable. ***** These are just some technical questions, there are a lot more plain hiccups in plot and such as well.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:06 p.m. CST

    You will pay for your lack of vision...

    by General Idea

    Some reviewer wrote: A lot of the wonder and hope and magic of my childhood died in Episode II upon Yoda throwing back his robe like a gunslinger, striking a kung fu pose, and launching into a lightsaber attack like a crazed green Muppet incarnation of the Tasmanian Devil. "Pain, suffering, death: I feel," Yoda intones. I feel it, too, man. Yoda erupting into a kung fu fit? It belonged in a fanboy star wars parody movie. The phrase "less is more" is something that might do Lucas some good. How about Yoda medidating with his eyes closed yet still being able to deflect any blow that Dooku could manage? Just a thought. The Jackie Chan bit was too over-the-top for me for Yoda. Overall the movie was decent, better than Menace, but could have been so much better. It had better elements than TPM. Story, intrigue, etc. Unfortunately bad dialogue, pacing, and coma-inducing acting prevented it from being any better than Return of the Jedi. The scene with Vader, Luke, and the Emporer in ROTJ was more dramatic than anything here. And no excuse anyone can come up with is enough to explain why Anakin would leave his mother a slave for ten years. Wanted to make mom proud? Please, she's a fucking SLAVE! I liked this movie, but Star Wars movies should be made to LOVE, and there's too much crap to wade through in these last 2 movies to love them. When you first saw the Imperial Walkers in Empire, tell me they weren't the most imposing, tremendous, deadly looking things you'd ever seen? The Rebels were barely able to bring down ONE of them, much less defeat them. Now you see ships, robots, creatures all over the place, and few of them if any seem to invoke this kind of wonder in you. It's just another CGI creation flying by before you have time to even appreciate it. Someone had a thought that perhaps Qui-Gon could turn out to be the mysterious evil jedi who ordered the clone army. Interesting... Although he may not have been evil, just thought the republic was corrupt and was sympathetic to the separatists. Also he obviously was a friend of Dooku's. Look, there's a good story here, it was just tough to get immersed in it.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:10 p.m. CST

    You Need To See AOTC More Than Once To Fully Understand/Apprecia

    by PaulMrStarWars

    Like I said if you only watch AOTC once then the majority are bound to probably be very upset about it. I know I was. Saw it Thursday and absolutely hated it and cursed everthing about it after but did not share this with anyone as experience told me that another viewing would reveal my true feelings for it. Saw it on Friday & Saturday and each time found new things to enjoy and now consider it to be just below ESB & NewHope. I think one of the problems is that the film is complex and assumes that the audience is ready & ABLE to fill in the blanks. Trouble is Hollywood has fed us so much dross for the last decade that most of us are UNABLE to enjoy a more complex piece of work which asks us to fill in the blanks. Sure it has many faults as do ALL films but works more often than not on many levels. I cannot wait to see EPIII but also fear it will be very hard to cram so much story/loose threads into a reasonable running time. I wonder if we need another film after that to do justice to the saga????? I especially enjoyed the following in AOTC: The Jango/Boba father/son dynamic. Hayden I thought nailed the part really well. He showed just the right mixture of the good vs bad conflict going on inside him. He chilled me & yet I also felt sorry for him. Count Dooku's presence was cool/evil and I hope he will have a much larger part in EPIII. If you do not like this film give it another chance and I guarantee you will warm to it.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:16 p.m. CST

    AOTC takes $25 million on Friday - TPM's first Friday was $1

    by togmeister

    That's right - subtract the $6 million midnight gross from AOTC's $30 million Thursday b.o. take, and MORE people saw AOTC on Friday than Thursday! Titanic, here we come - believe it my firends! Meanwhile the AICN geeks carry on bitching while the real world carries on going nuts for this flick.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Disappointed

    by dario argento

    I have to disagree with Harry's last paragraph. I was disappointed with AOTC and it does not suck to be me. I think that's because despite the fact that I'm a huge Star Wars fan, my happiness as a human does not depend on the quality of any one film, including Star Wars. However, I can see why many fans are loving AOTC. It has a certain charm even I couldn't resist at times.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:20 p.m. CST

    mystery voice during tuskin slaughter

    by Reverend Rotund

    I love the flick and I've seen it four times now, enough to start noticing some cool details missed the first time around. When Yoda is meditating during the Tuskin Raider slaughter, whose voice screams "Anakin...No!"? It ain't Yoda, it ain't Mace, but it sounds a little like Qui Gon Jinn. Anyone else hear it?

  • May 18, 2002, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Coke vs. Pepsi

    by PurityOfEssence

    Why must every talk back revert to a Coke vs. Pepsi, My Dad could beat up your Dad, mentallity?

  • May 18, 2002, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Box office totals mean two things-- Jack and Sh*t

    by Lidane

    I don't care how many people are going nuts for this film. A lot of people went apesh*t for Titanic. Does that mean that Titianic is a great film because it hauled in over $1 Billion worldwide? No, it doesn't. It's still a one-dimensional story with wooden characters that are unconvincing. All the money it made didn't make Titanic a great film. Same goes for any film. What makes a film great is that it has memorable characters, a good story, a good script, memorable lines, or images that stick with you. What does AOTC have that's remotely like any of those things apart from Yoda with a lightsaber, and his fight with Christopher Lee? And how does seeing a film more than once redeem it? Repeated viewings don't all of a sudden make a bad movie good. For example, I don't have to see Buckaroo Banzai again, because I suffered through it once and it's still going to suck the next time around. I've seen Fight Club with friends about six times now, trying to understand its appeal, and I still think it blows goats. What is going to be so different about AOTC the second time around that I missed the first time? I can't think of anything. I'm curious.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:29 p.m. CST

    I'm with you, Cap'n Chaos: Yoda RULES

    by filops

    The audience I saw it with was mostly quiet, restrained, "white" in the worst sense of the word

  • May 18, 2002, 3:40 p.m. CST

    This movie rocks!!

    by JackBurton__ME!

    I went into this movie with my arms crossed, just waiting for a reason to hate it. I had convinced myself for about 6 months during 1999 that I liked TPM, but on video release was reminded that it kinda sucks. I was EXTREMELY happy after leaving the theater. One week after wanting to walk out on that giant festering turd of a movie called Spider-man, I am glad I have a reason to see a movie over and over as I plan to see AOTC. After hating Spider-man I was starting to believe that I had become too jaded to like a lighthearted adventure, I was wrong, Spider-man just sucked. (All will realize that shortly I hope) I have only been skimming the reviews and talkbacks but I am amazed that nobody has mentioned how the arena scene (pre jedi arrival) looked and played like something that Ray Harryhausen would have done. I mean come on people, when Obi Wan is fending off the giant scorpion thing with a spear???????? I actually liked the fact that some of the special effects were CHEESY! Except the parts when they replaced people with CG (Anakin on the creature during the "Sound of Music" scene), I think the bad special effects helped the movie. It made it feel like an old time fantasy film. C-3PO is BACK!! The "drag" and "beside myself" lines were horribly punny and abloulutely PERFECT!! To all of the people who bitch about R2 flying, there is another movie that will probably explain this loss. C-3PO obviously has to have a memory erase or something so that he won't recognize the name Skywalker or the Lars' farm. The addition of multiple beheadings was a pleasant surprise. The love story wasn't any less believable than the one in ESB. A lot goes on during the parts the couple aren't on screen. Leia doesn't admit to herself that she is in love with Han until she is going to lose him, kinda like Padme, huh? The structure of this film reminded me of ESB as well. The semi cliff-hanger ending, the end result of the lightsaber duel with Dooku, the love story, etc., they all worked for me. This movie is getting better for me in hindsight every moment. Palpatine's lines were great, too. Go see this movie, if you are at all a Star Wars fan, it will NOT dissapoint.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Heehee Damo26, you crack me up!

    by BarrelRider

    I can't say I agree with you about absolutely everything, but you do have a very funny turn of phrase! "talking into his beard indeed!". I did relate to that point, though; I think part of the problem is that Geonosis and Tatooine are quite barren, rocky planets, so there was some confusion cutting between them!_____ I also have to agree with that guy's complaints about the scene where Padme gets up, having fallen from the gunship. When I saw AOTC, the whole cinema pissed themselves laughing at the sight of Padme on the floor groaning as if she were hurt, then simply getting up unfazed when the clonetrooper approached her. I couldn't quite put my finger on it at the time, but people here seem to think that the scene was so bad because the clonetrooper was CG. I didn't realise G-Lu uses CG even for single clonetroopers, can't he get an extra to wear the suit occasionally?__________ I can honestly not believe I'm about to say this, but I came out of the theater this time with a lot more gripes and uncertainty than after TPM. TPM actually gave me a lot of what I look for in a SW film. I really liked the scenes with Sidious talking on the holo-projector, why did we not see him until the end of this movie? OK, there was a mention of Dooku in the opening crawl, and Padme rather incongruously attributed the assassination attempt to him, but other than that we were given no clear sense of who the "baddie" was. Now, I did love the detective story stuff, and people can say "well in TPM they didn't know there even was a baddie til halfway through!" But the point is WE knew there was a baddie within the first five minutes of that film. Hell, we knew there were two kinds of baddies, working together for evil ends! ________ I think some of it just comes down to the kind of audiences you've been seeing it with, and I'm sorry to say that when I saw this film, the entire audience was cracking up at the poorness of certain parts of this film. Anakin suddenly breaking into a big whiney diatribe when PAdme is packing her suitcase- big laugh; "sand" line- big laugh; Nightmare scene- big laugh; First shot of Padme on the grass BEFORE Anakin comes into shot riding the pig- big laugh (I think people felt it was all-too "The Sound of Music" for them; Quick progression of the loves scenes leading to scene where they are sitting by the fire and she appears to be in some kind of bondage gear- big laugh; and last but by no means least, Padme whimpering on the floor in pain, clonetrooper approaches "Ma'am, are you alright?". All trace of pain disappears from Padme's face as she stands bolt upright and says "yes", and then proceeds to run off in a really camp way. (I didn't think it waqs possible for a girl to look camp until I saw this). People may read this and feel I hated the film. The funny thing is, I didn't, I just thought it felt less like a SW movie than TPM did.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Clones Rocked

    by Strafe

    I have just seen Clones for a third time and it gets better after every showing. The plot is brilliant and the way the emperor is manipulating everyone around him has to be applauded! The acting was spot on, Hayden is Vader. In twenty years time the same people who are knocking this film now will be regarding it as a classic. Roll on number 3.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:50 p.m. CST

    not so big plot problems esper999

    by Reverend Rotund

    Answers! We got answers! "Uncle Owen is introduced and he looks to be a young man in his 20s. He's revealed to be the half-brother of Anakin Skywalker." He is actually revealed to be the step brother. No blood relation. Maybe taking notes during a movie would help you concentrate and pick up details. "And why do the bad guys wonder where the clone army came from?" Dooku only wonders aloud only to keep up the deception being perpetrated on the seceding planets (trade fed, bank clan, the alien guy that looks like a thawed out Mr Freeze). He obviously knows where the Clone Army came from. He fully intended for the Jedi to bring the Clones to Geonosis and fight the droid army. Seriously. The Sith are playing two sides against the middle. Duh. ""The Republic will pay for this betrayal!" Uh, excuse me, but Dooku is trying to destroy the Republic. Who can the Republic betray him when he is betraying them?" See above paragraph. More keeping up appearences. Seriously. When you watch the evening news and you see Arafat saying things like "We want peace" do you take that at face value? No. Because he's evil. Think of Dooku as a smarter and subversive Galactic Arafat. He's a high class terrorist for the Sith. "How can he tell he is Anakin now and yet doesn't know who Owen is in A New Hope?" Guess we can't answer that untill the next movie. Or did you forget that Episode III comes between II and IV? "Isn't it a little stupid to hide Luke Skywalker with Darth Vader's step brother?" Luke obviously wasn't really hidden. Only Leia. Anakin was only aware that Padme was pregnant. Not that she was having twins. Vader and the Emperor's plans were to find Anakin's kid and turn him all along. The events of A New Hope just sped up the process. Finally, you say,"I could go on." Please don't. You obviously went into this flick with attitude, and you are sloppy with your plot criticisms. If you don't like the film, fine. But don't rattle on about big plot problems when the real problem is your attention span. May the force and some add meds be with you.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:51 p.m. CST

    The big problem

    by The Praetor

    there really was nothing exciting about the movie. At least TPM had some "wow" moments, like when Obi-Wan pulled the move that killed Darth Maul. I personally didn't feel any suspense at all. It's hard to get concerned when Padme is about to get molten lava dumped on her because you know she's going to make it. Hopefully Episode III will provide me more with what I'm looking for in a Star Wars movie. These characters are going to get seriously fucked up, and part of the fun will be seeing just how it's all going to go down.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:51 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on AOTC ...

    by hktelemacher

    I went in fearing the worst. I didn't absolutely hate TPM, but I recognized it's flaws, forgave some, am still struck by most and I moved on with my life. I was hoping that AOTC would be great, but I'm a realist - George Lucas writing and directing did not bode well for the film, and I the initial hype was counterbalanced by the critical trepidation of the last few weeks. So I see the flick, trying to leave my fanboy baggage at the door, and I feel like I'm five again. I feel like I'm watching a Star Wars movie. I spend the last 45 minutes with wide eyes and I only notice the grin on my face when Yoda fights Christopher Lee. I don't know, I guess I'm going against the grain here, but I was blown away by AOTC. The funny thing is, I'm a cynical and overall snobby movie watcher. I like only certain things, and as much as I love the original Star Wars trilogy only Empire cracks my top 100 favorite movie list somewhere near the bottom. In 2002 the new releases that I've really liked can be counted on one hand. I hated Blade 2 and was left feeling absolutely nothing after Spider-Man. But, for whatever reason, I was along for the ride with AOTC. I don't think I cringed once. I didn't think the dialogue was that bad, I thought the acting was actually pretty good, I thought the direction was good, I laughed at some of the jokes, I completely bought the love story, I didn't mind the CGI which really was often beautiful and even though I went in with full knowledge of all plot points and spoilers, I was still swept up in the thing. The fusion of elements was great - and it really made me think of Spartacus with the combination of the political machines and war. Obi-Wan's mystery thread was like Philip Marlowe in outer space and Anakin's Tatooine romp was a nice ode to The Searchers. All of these things shouldn't be together in a movie, but they worked and created a cohesive whole that was to me, uniquely and definitively Star Wars. I can't remember a time in my life without the OT, and as far as a movie can, it's been a great friend that I can continually return to and is always rewarding. Whenever I would think of the backstory, I imagined something so much more epic than TPM. AOTC delivered the backstory worthy of setting up the OT. I'm still in shock that I enjoyed the flick so much on so many levels. I wasn't looking for great cinema, and I really did go in looking for flaws and there were some, but I was completely absorbed in the movie. There were a lot of great small moments that I really enjoyed - like the hateful look Anakin gives his step-family as he carries his mother's corpse home, and the little peck on the cheek Padme gives Anakin when she jumps onto the creature with him and how Chris Lee is slightly winded after fighting Anakin. I thought these were good character moments, which surprised me because I'm not even sure TPM had characters. I can't really see how people are hating on this flick, but for once I'm the other side of the fence and it's kind of nice over here, nice but dirty. It's strange, but I don't have a bad thing to say about George Lucas. Something must be wrong.

  • May 18, 2002, 3:51 p.m. CST

    All this darkness AND a PG rating?

    by ProzacMorris

    How is Lucas going to create this horrible dark side, and seperate these twins and "murder Padme" etc and still have a family-friendly movie? I bet you many other directors could pull it off but him I am not so sure about. Thoughts?

  • May 18, 2002, 4 p.m. CST

    Read the whole post and tell me if you agree

    by SilenceofFreedom

    Yeah, I posted this elsewhere already, but it took me a long time, so slag off. I just got back from a 12:05 showing of Attack of the Clones, and boy does my ... brain ... hurt. Good lord, this movie is one HELL of a head trip. It is, in my opinion, the best of the Star Wars films so far. I went to see it at a famous players here in Toronto, having pre-paid for tickets from movietickets.com. We got there about 11:15, and that's when the hilarity began. The service people at famous players apparently consist of two people. The italian guy that stops you at the snack bar bellowing "You get ya teeckets ovah theyre !", pointing madly at a row of kiosks. We went over there and started to get the tickets, which is where the second service guy appeared. He flew out of nowhere and pointed at the screen muttering "You press Heeeere". The tickets came out, and like that .... he's gone. Also, he was spanish. Anyway, enough about that. Once we got through the crack security squad (two teams of ushers who eyed us up, looked at our ticket stubs, then muttered "go aheead". I think one of them was german), it was into the theatre for another 45 minute wait. Depressingly, no goons had dressed up as Jango Fett or a battered Shmi Skywalker, but I think I spotted some guys playing with their lightsabers in the bathroom. Eventually the guy came out to introduce the film, since apparently nobody knew what it was or who was in it. I'm not sure what time it was at that point, as I lost my watch earlier today. Seriously. So, after that guy was insulted and booed off the stage, we were rewarded with about 4 crappy ads for cell phones and crap, then the minority report and "like mike" trialers. No Matrix 2 trailer, but "Like Mike" looks way better. I swear, Lil' bow wow better play Morpheous in the Matrix prequel. As I was saying, this is an amazing film. It starts off with a bang (an explosion of some kind) and just builds and builds from there. Generally I grade movies on a scale of whether I'd want to see what I just saw again, scene by scene. And with this movie ... there's very little that I wouldn't watch another 12 times or so. The "slug" attack, fifth element chase, clone scene, jango fight, raider rampage, arena anarchy, yoda, etc. This movie is like extacy for the eyes. Like a mental orgasm. Like doing it in a photo booth. I .. er .. scratch that last one. The only complaint I have is that the scene where Anakin "snaps" (on the raiders) should be at LEAST 30 seconds longer. But hey, whatever. Another complaint is how Yoda always reverses his phrases. It's only really bad twice. The worst being something like; "A circle around them we must make". And then there's threepios constant puns. Ah well, at least jar jar gets shot in the back of the head. Oh wait, that's a deleted scene. Well it BETTER be. I guess that's about it. This movie kicked my ass, and the concensus from everyone leaving the theatre (that I heard anyway) was the same feeling that I had. Boy, maybe Harry WAS telling the truth after all. The worse part of the night was easily the shitty "Tray" that I got from the snack bar. I'm supposed t carry two large drinks and a popcorn in that flimsy cardboard rectangle, while at the same time flashing my stub to the crack security squad ? I swear, thats the last time I flash my stub to an authority figure. It's just too damn awkward.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Rats

    by PurityOfEssence

    And so as the rats milk is dumped into the sewer, the circle of life is complete.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:03 p.m. CST

    THANK YOU GEORGE LUCAS

    by TIAMUTT

    As a long time fan of SW, I was enthusiastic about seeing this film. I liked TPM but was left empty at parts. AOTC took my breath away and sucker-kicked me in the balls. I read the book and was OH NO here we go again, but seeing the film made me realize that this isnt MY world, it's GEORGE'S WORLD and we're here for the ride. Would we as owners of this product have done it differently...of course. Would we do it better? Probably not!! The special effects are some of the best ever shot. i.e. The ships as they enter Coruscant are fantastic. The drop-ships that unload the clonetroopers and vehicles. And there are many more to be mentioned. As for the acting, from the trailers I was going to cringe every time Hayden said anything, but I found from watching the scenes unfold that I sensed where he was coming from. To know how a film is good or bad, I took my mother who had taken me to the first three, I watched as she had to wipe her eyes during the Shmi scene. And while me and her have fallen away from each other over the years, after seeing this she wants to make peace with me and move forward. So to all the naysayers "Hell with you!!" I got my mother back due to this movie because it touched a chord within her. Ewan as OB1 is just to cool. i.e. The scene where he opens the door using the force on Kamino. The way he backlashes Anakin on the dropship. And there is so much more to praise the film. I just wanted to say to George, THANK YOU THANK YOU.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:03 p.m. CST

    more points...

    by General Idea

    The Jango Fett stuff was great, not good but great. the car chase at the beginning (although too long) looked great. Dooku was great also. Plenty of things LOOKED great. Genosia, Kamino, Coruscant. To someone who just asked, yes that was Qui-Gon's voice you heard. Why did the movie spend 20 minutes on Obi-Wan figuring out what happened to the planet? It should have ended after the Dexter scene when he found out where the dart came from. Speaking of which, the diner scene was a little too odd to be warm and cozy, but I didn't have a problem with it. McGregor at least showed a little emotion. The Yoda & students scene was a total waste of time, as was the library scene. Someone finally speaks up "hey idiots, it's probably just been deleted from the database." Oh.

  • Just for the record now, I have read all the critical points made about the movie. I understand them and I agree with many of them in fact. The acting is terrible at times but very good in others. Obi-wan talking to Dex is a example. I really believed He and Obi-Wan had a history and genuine affection for each other. I too giggled when it looked like Anakin was having a wank! The way Padme groaned in pain then simply said Yes and stood up. Very bad. The dialogue in the romantic parts was gringe worthy, but not because it was bad but 'cos it reminded me of some of the truly vomit inducing shit I've said to girls in the past thinking I was being romantic when I was, in fact, being a tosser!! CGI will ALWAYS look like CGI but this was very good CGI. In fact there are a couple of Yoda scenes where I really thought that Yoda was real. The line when he says 'Fought well you have my old Padawan' to Dooku with their sabers crossed I swear he looked REAL. Lucas can't write for toffee by his own admission but the script for this was still better than TPM because he had someone to bounce ideas off. There are HUGE plotholes but I am prepared to wait to see in EP3 how they are plugged up. Just because I don't know how Owen can't remember 3PO in ANH doesn't mean Lucas doesn't (IMO Obi-wan uses the force to alter the Lars' memory so that they are safe in their ignorance of facts as the Clone War rages). There are other flaws too numerable to mention but and its a big but, so have the OT which I wont list here as there have been many talkbacks that have. So why is it that inspite of all this I love this movie. It just comes down to subjective taste I guess. It isn't because I have lower standards which is what many of the Talkbackers on here have said about people who like the movie. Frankly I find that kind of talk insulting. Maybe I went into the film with no baggage and not wanting to hate the movie because I didn't like TPM (which I did like inspite of its faults too). But to say that is also insulting to those that have problems with the film and don't like it as a result. The only thing I would say is take a child to see the film, be it your own, a smaller sibling, neice or nephew and gauge the films impact by their reaction to it. Because they will give an honest opinion on it. I took my little brother. He is nearly 12 and unlike me of course has seen all the films while still a child. He hasn't been corrupted by the hash realities of life. He hasn't had his heart broken by a girl. He hasn't developed a the cynical view that I have.Which is his fav Star Wars film? Jedi. Then Clones, ANH, TPM and lastly Empire. Thats his view and it is no less valid than mine or yours. My view is that I love AOTC. I think its one of the finest pieces of bubblegum entertainment I have ever seen. But in saying that I don't dimiss your opinion. Its just different than mine.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:15 p.m. CST

    This film is just amazing.

    by sparticusmaximus

    You know, usually I can get bated in arguments about films I love. I enjoy defending a film with detractors. But with this film, it's different. Just like Moriarty said....Bitch all you want, while I go see it for a 4th or 5th or 6th time. This movie was a fantastic SW film. And the word of mouth on this sucker is going be through the roof. TRUST ME.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:15 p.m. CST

    What the hell?!?

    by Cap'n Chaos!

    Geez... I hate people that go in just looking for things to nit-pick about and then complain about things that aren't even nit-pick worthy! C-3P0 and R2 probably had their memories erased at some point. (Remember Owen telling Luke to take them to Anchorhead for it in Hope?) And I don't really remember any instances other than when he fell in the swamp on Degobah that he needed to fly. #2) This lays to rest the whole Qui-Gon question from Menace. Lot's of people went buggy over the fact that Obi Wan told Luke Yoda had instructed him. Well it looks like Yoda plays a significant role in the instruction of the young pupils before they become Padawan. (And you thought you were soooo smart.) On another matter, yes that was Qui-Gon's voice in Yoda's 'vision' of Skywalker in pain. Lucas said in an interview that it was a plot hint towards EIII. Don't know how it can be much of one unless it's for people that have never seen IV-VI. However I suppose it could indicate a cameo appearence by Liam Neesen as a ghost. Finally I actually have a question: I know some of you guys are big into expanded universe, etc. Is Jedi Master Sipherdious (not sure if that's the correct spelling) who supposedly ordered the clones the Kaminoan looking Jedi from the council in Mencace? (BTW, yes Jengo bumped his head getting into Slave 1. I thought it was hilarious. Also, one of the clones is supposed to be numbered 1138 and there are 'predicessors' to the Millenium Falcon on Naboo. That's all the Easter Eggs I really noticed or heard about.)

  • May 18, 2002, 4:16 p.m. CST

    AOTC

    by SoonerSean

    I've seen it twice with a third viewing planned for tomorrow. I take no offense to people not liking the movie and would expect that people could have the maturity to not insult those with opposing opinions. I don't care if you hate it, so you shouldn't care that I love it. I'm a Star Wars fan. The first movie I honestly remember is Star Wars. I can still recall seeing it in a small theater in the middle of nowhere. I recall standing in line for Empire. I spent an entire summer where I saw it EVERY FRIGGING DAY. And Jedi... I ran from the theater straight to the discount store on the corner to buy the toys. Star Wars is more than a movie. It's not a super-hero flick that ends up on one of the high channels on the cable box as a Saturday afternoon "ACTION WEEKEND" flick like Spider-Man will ultimately become. Star Wars is something special... for some of us. You can go back and find huge, expansive, amounts of dialogue in the first three films that are just as stiff or wooden as anyone is bitching about in the last two. The reason is that it's a sci-fi movie that plays like a sci-fi movie. People talk about hyper-drives and tractor beams and say names of strange places. Recall that the actors from the original trilogy often spoke about how difficult it was to say the lines in the scripts. This isn't a movie where characters can talk like the two teenagers sitting over at the food-court table next to you. Padme and Anakin have been very sheltered... they clearly haven't had real lives where they enjoyed being children. Anakin was a slave who was building things for his owner when he was a young kid and then he went off to become a Jedi, growing under the tutelage of a somewhat snippy Obi Wan. Padme has been in public service most of her life. When these two are finally alone and realize their feelings for one another... I'm not disappointed that they don't talk like insepid teenagers, but instead try and express REAL feelings. If it's awkward or "wooden", then so be it. The characters in the other movies (Han and Leia) were considerably older and wiser and much more experienced. They could snap back and forth... it made sense. I also think that the characters here live in a much for serious time, while being serious themselves. This is a movie about a very serious time that happens to feature a former Queen (who had to be serious and unemotional) and a slew of Jedi, who have essentially out-lawed emotion. The few moments were Obi shows off wit are funny because they are rare. He's not Han Solo ripping off one-liners because he simply doesn't have the opportunity to develop that way (Jedi are quite lacking in the humor department). This simply isn't a movie that will fit the tastes of all movie-goers. If you don't like it, then I can understand... go and shovel more money at Spider-Man or wait for MIB or something else. Me and my friends will venture off to see SW as often as we feel necessary. Life is too short to gripe about movies.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Yoda04, you are not getting away with such a completely fucked u

    by Andy Andy

    AOTC was a plot written on a 7th grade level? Do you ride the short bus to school? I think the state should do a case study on your mom and dad so they can write a pamphlet on how NOT to raise such a stupid child. Oh and all this "How can Owen not know who C3P0 is?" Shut the fuck up. You were the same people who said "How can Uncle Owen be Luke's uncle if Anakin is an only child?" Patience, boys and girls, Lucas will get to that part.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:23 p.m. CST

    It SUCKED SUCKED SUCKED

    by dmezei

    It was the worst movie I ever saw. Touche, Lucas. You outdid yourself. Where can I write for a refund?

  • May 18, 2002, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Harry, you're a sympathiser, not a movie reviewer.

    by dmezei

    Why don't you just put, 'partially funded by ILM' somewhere on your website.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Oh, by the way, Anikin got his hand chopped off. That complete

    by Black Ceaser

    Another sign of piss poor filmmaking. Spiderman rules AOTC sucks. Matrix will kick all ass in 2003 because it will be made by GOOD FILMMAKERS not HACKS like Lucas.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Time to sign my petition

    by Xoxarle

    to let William Shatner direct Ep. III. Can't hurt none, can it? To those defending this Ishtar in Space, against the onslaught from the non-Branch Davidians, all I have to say is .... SCOREBOARD. Just a miserable 36% approval from the cream of the crop critics over at RT. The guys who do this for a living. The same guys who gave Spiderman 84% and Fellowship Of The Ring a whopping 96%. Get your head out of your collective asses and recalibrate your shit-detectors. Phantom Menace was clearly the dead cat bounce of the franchise. Nuff said.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:28 p.m. CST

    If You Didn't Like This Movie Then You Are Not A True Star W

    by nicknster

    This movie rocked in a major way! The Phantom Menace bored me. It was slow and it didn't have that "magic" that I've come to associate with Star Wars films. To put it simply, it just didn't feel like a true Star Wars film. I still watched it several times, simply because it is a Star Wars film, whether I liked it or not, and I embrace all things that are Star Wars. I went to Attack Of The Clones with only moderate expectations. I only watched a couple trailers and found them to be encouraging. To be honest I expected it to be just slightly better than The Phantom Menace. I had hoped that George Lucas would respond to the complaints by fans and strive to make this film better. Thankfully he did. I waited in line with a group of friends and we ended up getting on our local news simply because one of us had a homemade lightsaber. It was late and I had to work tommorow, but these are the sacrifices we must make if we want to be the first ones to see a Star Wars movie right? Before the show started a fat chick in a white dress shirt and red bow tie waddled out into the center of the movie theater and declared, "Absolutely no lightsabers swinging around during the movie or it WILL be turned off!" I laughed. I mean honestly, where else do you hear that? She was promptly booed out of the theater. Then the movie started. Within the first half hour I knew it was going to be better than The Phantom Menace. The chase through the city was well done, and kept me on the edge of my seat. I love the bounty hunters and was glad to see them playing a major part in this movie. There was alot more humor in this movie and none of it was too cheesy. When Obi Wan says to Anakin,"I have the feeling that your going to be the death of me" you feel like your laughing at an inside joke that only you and your friends would get. I'm glad to see that C3PO and R2D2 got to banter back and forth the way they did in the first films. Thankfully Jar Jar Binks was pretty much sidelined in this film. Although I let out a deep sigh everytime he appeared. The movie progressed at a nice pace and I enjoyed all of it. I loved the scenes with Jango Fett. There's just something about that bounty hunter outfit that looks so cool. When Mace Windu shows up to save Anakin, Obi Wan, and Amadila, that's when the movie really gets awesome. The fight scenes were great, but none compare to the Yoda/Dooku scene near the end. Obi Wan and Anakin are taken out by Dooku and lay there, crippled and maimed. All seems bleak. Then a shilouette appears and Yoda makes his entrance. The audience went wild and I clapped along with them. This was hands down the best part of the movie. When I saw Yoda part his robe to reveal his lightsaber I nearly died with euphoria. Then Yoda proceeds to bust out some matrix shit on dooku. The audience was estatic, you could feel the energy in that theater. The war scenes were great too. Seeing the trailers I thought George Lucas had a nasty habbit of trying to fit too much into one scene when it came to the action scenes. Thankfully this was all handled well in AOTC. I was briefly reminded of some of the war scenes found in Black Hawk Down well watching this movie. The quick zoom effect was great and really got you into the action. To see Yoda barking out orders like some old general was classic. " Secure a perimiter, you must." lol I loved this movie. Empire Strikes Back was always my favorite but this one sure gives it a run for it's money. In my eyes George Lucas and Co. have more than redeemed themselves for the subpar Phantom Menace. I can't wait till this comes out on DVD! And Episode 3!!!!!!

  • May 18, 2002, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, this talkback is populated with Lucas plants...

    by dmezei

    I think the majority of posters here are all plants from lucas land. The movie was shit. Don't believe the positive hype...

  • May 18, 2002, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Thoughts on digital movies

    by yo0o0oy

    If AOTC's frame size is 1.2 megapixels, the whole thing requires about 600 gigabytes to store without audio. I might be wrong, but I'm getting the sense that digital theaters are showing a compressed, second-generation version of the pristine uncompressed master. If the camera compresses image data while recording, then my search for fully-detailed perfection is futile and no artifact-free film-quality version exists. Paying $9.00 to see a third-generation 35mm print of a blocky, "painted-sand" digital video doesn't sound like a good deal. I'm all in favor of advancing technology, and would love to see Trumbull's 60 frames per second Showscan system in action someday. I would have no problem if VistaVision or 70mm replaced 35mm. Today's digital cinema, sadly, doesn't seem to be much of a quality upgrade for the customers or a sound investment for theater owners given the high speed of obsolescence. To some, AOTC looks inferior to conventional 35mm in spite of the silicon snake oil hype campaign. Oh well, I'd rather read a book or hear a good radio drama anyway. And before people think I'm being too picky and demanding, I am still impressed with the quality of VHS SP and LP at home.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:37 p.m. CST

    If you LIKED this movie then you are not a true FILM fan.

    by Black Ceaser

    You are a George Lucas Star Wars zealot. You never get laid, you don't get out of the house and you get your ass kicked regularly by jocks. You are like comic book guy from The Simpsons. You are a dork. If you're going to generalize then lets generalize. All that aside if you like this movie then you are obviously motivated by something more than love of good movie making because this was definately NOT.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Addressing some of your queries...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    Look, the reason why Qui-Gon and other Jedi when they die don't disappear is because they were not ready or prepared to die. In the old trilogy we saw Yoda and Obi Wan both vanish - they had accepted their fates and were at one with the force (the same could also be said of Vader, as many claim it is just his armour being burned). These Jedi currently dying are young, inexperienced and not ready to die. Now, Red Giant: (1) - The sails are for solar winds. (2) The asteroid sequence is just like that of ESB, have you a problem with that as well? You know if it was being scientifically accurate all the films would show side thrusters on all ships and really you shouldn't be able to hear a damn thing in space. (3)As you say, t's a filmic convention, and those robots are stupid as anything, but if you want your heroes dead, fine. (4) Give you that, major plot hole, but you would assume he was going to some kind of hangar, he wasn't about to hang around. (5) The aliens don't seem to have much common sense, it's quite common to meet a whiz of a scientist, who has about as much social ability as a mop. (6) It's possible to believe that Shmi had been held under someone's orders, Anakin felt the pain of his mother and set out to rescue her. The emotional strain of meeting her son after all that time would have taken it out of her, though once again it's a filmic convention and Lucas has made no bones about being inspired by the classic serials. (7) Most Jedi are taken at birth, severed from their family links. Plus various people would have noted that for a slave they were living remarkably well. It would hardly be a humanitarian act, it would just be like popping to see the folks. (8) The jedi are all over the place, look for the saber flashes in the long shots. They get pushed down to the arena floor. I mean Windu was next to Dooku at the beginning but, he soon got pushed away. (9) You could say, "how does Shmi recognise Anakin?", if you're going to be like that. C-3PO will, know characteristic traits about Anakin, may even note voice patterns, many things give us away. As for not recognizing Lars, well EPIV brought up the point of memory wipes. (10) Zam may have headed downwards? I don't know, to hide in the lower street levels among the denser traffic? You're picking holes for holes sake... as with (11) this is another world, physics don't have to make the same sense. And if you are a physicist, you should know that different planets have different physics. Now, I know you're not going to suddenly love this film any more, but quit bitching over meanlingless points. Look up your favourite movie on IMdb, go to goofs and you'll find some arrogant tosspot such as yourself has done it to another film...

  • May 18, 2002, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Riverdancer: So now we are jaded since we are older?

    by Red Giant

    Hmmm, interesting. I loved The Lord of The Rings in every way. it was the best fantasy movie I have ever seen. I thought Spiderman, while weak in a few ways, was overall a blast and captured the feeling and characters well. I thought X-Men was a good and interesting adaptation. The original Batman and Superman movies had flaws but were still very entertaining for me. Star trek movies are hit or miss, but the plot is what kills them sometimes not the woodenness of acting (if anything it is usually too over the top). Contact and Starship Troopers are very good movies in both acting and visuals. All through time I have seen movies that are good and ones that aren't. If all movies today seemed bad to me, then I'd have to wonder about myself. But only some are bad, and coincidentally they are always the same ones that others find bad also. Alien Resurrection was a travesty, for example. AOTC is just not that good a movie other than the visuals and some nostalgic ripoffs.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:42 p.m. CST

    What

    by Riverdancer

  • May 18, 2002, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Call for investigation

    by Ice Blended

    We need to seriously begin an investigation to find out if anyone was reported missing from USC while Lucas was there. There is no way the same man that wrote Ep deux wrote "New Hope." I SO wanted to love this. My heart fluttered and i felt like was floating in air over the 'long time ago' title card and the opening theme. Then it was all flushed down the toilet. ***Mild spoiler*** The best dramatic scene(let's say it deals with Anakin doing something evil out in the desert) was ruined by doing a quick and stupid circe wipe to a new scene taking away any intensity the scene had.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:45 p.m. CST

    God, it is hilarious watching the haters try to put down AOTC wi

    by Atticus Finch

    Bandwagon critiques such as "bad dialogue", "bad acting", or "weak story" no longer hold any water when talking about the masterpiece that is AOTC. Sorry, haters, you're just going to have to live with it.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I really enjoyed it

    by Kane

    I understand being disappointed by a Star Wars film. Episode 1 had me leaving the theater in disbelief. That being said, I really feel sorry for all of you who didn't like it. I'm happy to report that I left AOTC wanted to see it again. Immediately. Not a perfect film (I actually have to say that the first 15 minutes of it are WORSE than Ep 1), but I must say that it's a really, really good Star Wars film. Put a smile on my face. Nothing more, nothing less. Entertainment, plain and simple. All of you out there who agree with me - don't let anyone try to convince you that you shouldn't have enjoyed it.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:48 p.m. CST

    First???

    by Movie Marty

    I rarely if ever post on these talk backs because of the content of most other people's posts. There just seem to be so many wannabe movie critics out there who realy have no clue as to what they're saying. They rip on people's acting without a clue in the world as to what it means to put on a great performance. They rip on scipts and films without knowing anything that goes into writting and making a film. This Star Wars talkback is nothing but more of the same. AOTC is an incredible film. I was absolutely blown away by it. I can not think of anything they could have done to make it better. As a long time Star Wars mark (first movie I ever remember seeing in the theatre was Star Wars) I could not possibly have been any happier than I was Thursday. I thought it was great that Jar-Jar, who I always have said must be that stupid for some reason, wound up giving the Emperor his power! Picture the Emperor in ROTJ and think to yourself "Jar Jar Binks is the reason he rules the universe!" Wow! I loved the fact that Owen Lars met C-3PO some 30 years before New Hope, but didn't remember him. Why? Because why on earth would a gruff no-nonsense moisture farmer from a 3rd world planet remember some dumbass droid his step-mother owned 30 years before that left a rusted silver color and comes back bright gold? Would you remember your step-mother's car from 30 years ago if you saw it again and it was a different color? It was clear from the first film that R2 & 3PO eventually lose their memory, probably to protect Leia and Padme who go to live with Bail Organa next film. And yet there are people ranting and raving on this board about how huge of a plothole that is. Man, some people just feel the need to rip on that which they don't understand. And the love story! Just fantastic. My favorite scene of the movie was the last one where they get married in secret. How bittersweet that he gets to marry the girl of his dreams, possibly the most beautiful girl in the universe on the most beautiful planet and yet he is slowly becoming "More machine than man". I could just hear Alec Guiness saying that as you saw his robotic hand. Sent a chill up my spine! I can't believe I have to wait 3 years! Plus (this post is already long so why not go the distance?) the incredible political battle! Palpatine to Dooku: "I'll secretly get a clone army started, you get half the planets to leave the Republic and start a droid army. I'll con them into giving me "brief" dictator-like powers and I'll have my clones fight your droids. While the fake people are fighting, I'll now control all the real people. Eventually you job to me, we bring everyone back under the Republic, but now it's an Empire! I'll wind up as the absolute ruler of the entire universe and no one will be able to stop me because we'll wipe out all the Jedi in these battles!" Great stuff! People who thought there were no surprises or twists just weren't watching the same movie. I truly pity anyone who was not blown away by AOTC.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:48 p.m. CST

    What is wrong with Anakin losing his hand??

    by Riverdancer

    Trying this again without my toddler hitting enter early. Luke loses his hand in ESB. It's that whole father/son paralell thing they have going on. As for your jaded perspective yes. It is always different watching a movie being made from a comic book or a book, but when then entirety of the true story only exists on film, it sets you up for comparisons more. You never expect a movie to make you feel the way a book does, but you do expect another movie to make you feel like the others did. I don't know if I'm explaining this as well as possible. But essentially, you are trying to recreate ep IV and V and it ain't going to happen. things change. you change.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Spoilers in here.. Lucas is laughing at us :)

    by james175

    Now, about Jar Jar. Lucas is probably laughing his butt off at all these fanboy folks right now. The diehards who compalined about him being so awkward, clumsy, and so eager to please with his high pitched voice. He did it on purpose! For the story to progress in the 2nd act he needed a patsy who was eager to please and to do something that while on the surface it appears good, it's known that it will eventually lead to the downfall of the Republic. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. Fanboys diskliked Jar Jar and despised him, so Lucas, instead of simply killing him off, makes Jar Jar the very instrument which sets the wheels in motion for Palpatine to begin his vicious rise to Emperor. Pure balls. And it's great. Plus, given that the Senate's power will begin to wane as Palpatie exerts more control, there will most likely be even less Jar Jar if none at all. Just as Solo served a part of being a wayward journeyman thrust into a situation he didn't ask for, Jar Jar is similar in that respect though his part will continue to probably diminish as the third act begins to move. Finally, I want to mention movie parallels. www.imdb.com trivia section for the past Star Wars movies talks about how Lucas uses some shots from previous movies as a tribute to them. In this one, I believe the biggest tribute is given to Coppola, a personal friend of Lucas. Coppola directed Apocolypse Now whose greatest scene is the helicopter attack onto the Vietnamese village with Robert Duvall playing The Flight of the Valkyries. Now, we get Yoda swooping in on a hover vehicle that sets down smoothly with Troopers streaming from the vehicles barking orders to the troopers. Even the gunners sitting in the pods on the side are a send-up of the door gunners who hung from the helicopters shooting at the running villagers. The only thing missing was Yoda spouting the famous lines as Duvall did: "Lightsaber smell I love in the morning. Victory it smells like." You know you wanted it too! james175_99@yahoo.com

  • May 18, 2002, 4:53 p.m. CST

    sometimes Yoda's diction a bit fucked-up was

    by BarrelRider

    Sorry to still be coming up with gripes about the movie, but all the things I liked about this movie have been said better on other posts, and I'm just as freaked out about the fact that I'm not loving this film 110% as many of you must be. I guess I'm gonna have to see it a couple more times. Anyway, another thing occured to me; in the final battle, Yoda's ever-funky way of talking is used at inappropiate times. I always thought that part of the beauty of Yoda is that he does talk in this crazy archaic way, but he can also, when it would be dramatically more approriate, speak "normally". But at the end of AOTC, we get gems such as "around the survivors a perimeter create" and something like "to the command center take me". It just doesn't work, and 2 people in front of me at the movie looked at one another, completely confused by what Yoda said.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Red Giant...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    You had some credibility and respect until you said Starship troopers had good acting. Ha-hah. Casper van Diem, Denise Richards, Doogie Howser... stop... please you're killing me with laughter...

  • May 18, 2002, 4:56 p.m. CST

    An Episode III thought ...

    by hktelemacher

    After killing Darth Maul in TPM, Obi-Wan didn't have to go through the usual channels (the trials) to become a Jedi Knight. Maybe in III, Anakin would be a full fledged Jedi and and he could have a Padawan of his own. The little kid could be the first Jedi he lashes out against. Seeing Anakin actually teach would be disturbing enough, but killing a defenseless child is a pretty good way to really show his descent into evil. That's a pretty dark scenario. AOTC has got my wheels turning for the vast possibilities of the future. Just a fun thought.

  • May 18, 2002, 4:59 p.m. CST

    AOTC's rocked big time in DLP

    by FunkyChicken

    WOW!!! I saw it at a sold out DLP theater in Cleveland and man did it ever knock my socks off. It looked fucking incredible! The audience went balistic when Yoda fights. This is a great Star Wars movie. Thank you George.

  • May 18, 2002, 5 p.m. CST

    Anybody heard Qui-Gonn?

    by kdrump1

  • May 18, 2002, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Anybody heard Qui-Gonn?

    by kdrump1

    Did anybody hear Qui-Gonn's voice when Yoda was sensing the Tusken Raider slaughter?

  • May 18, 2002, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Why is it....?

    by Gabba-UK

    That anyone who hates TPM, AOTC or George Lucas in general and participates in these talkbacks ALWAYS and I mean fucking ALWAYS, start screaming Lucasfilm plant whenever someone dares to put up their hand say "well I thought the film was great!" What the hell is wrong with you. Can't you take it when a fellow geek doesn't think like you do? Are you so unsure of yourselfs that you need to mock and ridicle those who differ from your point of view. You hate the film, we love the film! So what. Just bloody deal with it and move the fuck on!!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I Give it a 5!

    by HollyS

    Ok the visual affects in certain scenes where awsome, the fighting scenes in the film where good too. But behind it all the plot, the characters and dialogue where the porest thing I've ever seen. I did not read the so called scripts or spoilers and I just finaly read Harry's review which to me is completely BIASED. Star Wars AOTC was better then Meanace but NOT that much better. For those of you who just go for the action and visual affects then yeah this is your film. I was disapointed though overall at how bad this film was. No the Phantom Meance didnt rape my childhood or anithyng. Its gone downhill from the original films when it comes to the story overall, but visualy AOTC is superior. I have scene it once and I dont intend to see it again until it comes out on TV. I have to admit one thing that disapointed me was the fight scene between Yoda and Dooku, I laughed my butt off when I saw Yoda leaping like a frog to and fro fighting Dooku. I felt so bad when I laughed that I had to stiffle the rest of it. The sad thing is that i wasnt the only who did laugh in that theater. Anyway regardless I'll probably go see the last and third installment. Not becuase I think it will be any better but becuase I started this journey of seing starwars from the begining and I plan on seing this through and watching the third film. Whether this last installment is better still remains to be seen. I still think Lucas should NOT be directing, producing yes, but directing HELL NO!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Return of the DORKS

    by wadew

    Did anyone catch Triumph the insult comic dog last night on conan making fun of the SW super-geeks that were waiting outside a theater for Ep. 2? Triumph *to the one girl that was there*- "you've got your pick of the litter here. You can choose from all kinds of guys that have no idea how to please you." At one point these lady killers were acting out scenes from Episode 1(in costume) while watching the movie. There was also a SW nerd wedding (bride and groom in costume, of course). "The groom has kissed the bride... after years of practicing on his sister and an ewok doll." Great stuff. Anyone have a quicktime file, windows media file, anything????

  • May 18, 2002, 5:07 p.m. CST

    THANKS HARRY

    by johnke

    Your last paragraph said it all. It's Star Wars! Sit back and enjoy the ride!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:08 p.m. CST

    hmmmm...

    by majorq007

    the general public seems to like it. fans on other websites seem to like it. the only place i find negative reaction are the critics (surprise, surprise) and the AICN talkback pits. But its not the negativity that bothers me (everyone has a right to valid opinion, to be discussed and debated) its the intolerance. On both sides. One condemns the naysayers as not SW fans if they didn't like AOTC, while the other seems hell bent on ruining everyone else's fun. This is the only website I can find where people feel a need to force their opinion on others, belittle those who disagree, and insult their social status/sexual orientation/general life experience. Why the mean? Its not like the fate of the nation lies upon whether AOTC was a quality film or not, so I don't see the point in getting mean-spirited and vicious over it. I, for one, feel lucky: LOTR, Spider-Man, and AOTC all in a six-month period? Yum, I'm happy.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Great unforced cameos,Thanks Lucas!

    by TSMinN.Y.

    Hey I'm all for "inside joke" cameos,but I perfer mine more in the vein of Jermey Bulloch in ESB, Mark Hamill's son in TPM or even Anthony Daniels in AOTC.But the 3 seperate cameos but Lucas's three kids in AOTC were forced and excpetionally obvious!Lucas try a little harder next time,puhleaze!!!Anyway, J.Williams retirement is knocking at your door please answer it!The CGI in AOTC was an 8.75 on a scale of 1-10.Some of the all CGI caracters's walking was a bit stiff,(especially Jar-Jar,in comparison to TPM)but Yoda wuz FUCKIN' amazing!!!Freakin' Sauraman ahem,I mean Dooku ran like a little girl.Tho' I could have done without Yoda's Bruce Lee impressions!Hey, Hayden your piss poor acting is holding my enjoyment of this movie back!One day the fans will be laughing at you like they did at ol' Jar-Jar.Though the audience I saw AOTC with in N.Y.C on opening nite wasn't inclined to even wait till the end of the movie!So as not to drone on and on I'll tie this missive up.I didn't expect much going in since I felt Lucas and Co. shoved it up the ol' tail pipe to the fans with TPM,I was more than moderately pleased with the whole affair.I honestly walked out of the theatre sayin' I gotta wait 3 fucking years to see how this ends?!?!?unlike when I walked outta TPM and said "I waited 16 freakin' years for this piece of SHIT?".Feel free to quote me.THANX!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:09 p.m. CST

    AOTC

    by Lolz

    I think it's Qui Gon who shouts NO to Anakin after the Tusken raider slaughter! Also - we don't yet know why Qui Gon did not vanish when he died in TPM. I thought we were due to have that question answered. I think Qui Gon may resurface in one form or another in Ep III. I saw AOTC digitally in London where I live and I was totally blown away by this presentation and feel really priveledged to have seen it in this form. Great reviews on this site - Thank you for your honesty and your enthusiasm. I feel I have found friends

  • May 18, 2002, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I was thinking.......

    by moose420

    That if you look at the events of the first Trilogy threw the eyes of a regular guy living within the Empire then the Rbel Alliance is actually a terrorist group,attackng and killing inocent by standers.THis has probly bein discussed but isn't that just werid?Also LOTR is Still better then SW,anyone disagree , i'd like to see you try!!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I'm still wondering...

    by Lidane

    What is so different about this movie the second time around that would convince me or anyone else not satisfied with AOTC to bother seeing it again? What changes so drastically from the first viewing to the next that redeems this film at all? Does the romance suddenly becomes less cringe-worthy and groan-inducing? Does the fight between Yoda and Dooku (or even the one between Anakin and Dooku) last longer? Does someone finally get a hold of Padme to let her know that her deputy is going to put forth a motion she would oppose were she there, and others try to stop her as she tries to get back to Coruscant to stop him? What's different? I'd like to know.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Dialogue

    by gilker

    I don't want to piddle on anyone's love of Star Wars, but Harry, you need to get a grip on the gushing over dialogue. The movie I saw had dialogue that would've embarrassed a first year film student. That declaration of love Padme makes as they enter the execution arena is just plain laughable.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:36 p.m. CST

    To all the haters

    by TheDrunkenJedi

    'I just don't think you can bare to let a gorgeous guy like me out of your sight' 'I don't know where you get your delusions laser brains' 'Laugh it up fuzzball - you didn't see us alone together in the South Passage - she expressed her true feelings for me' 'Why you stuck-up, scruffy-looking, nerf-hearder!' 'Whos scruffy looking?' If that dialogue had been in AOTC you would have all wept, but no, it comes from everyones beloved ESB. You've just all grown up, like it or loathe it. I thought AOTC was bloody brilliant, far better than TPM but the original trilogy will always have the special place in my heart. When Yoda fought the whole cinema just when crazy with cheers and clapping - a rarity for a usually 'reserved' British audience. The final 45minutes were amazing. Roll on EpIII.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Comments about answers to my questions

    by Red Giant

    In response to Ernst on my questions: (1)An answer but I already knew the hint and should hav said so in the question to begin with. Solar winds? And what does that silliness have to do with whatever conceivable warp propulsion system they use, other than give a big, fat, needless surface area for space debris to hit? A huge problem with SW and some other space-oriented movies: they take too many liberties under the banner of "Hey, it's the future and they can do stuff we don't understand". The retro-chrome-plated ships at least look cool w/o seeming utterly functionless. (2) No answer to question. No it isn't like ESB at all. The Falcon and ships in that move in a fairly linear line with huge sweeping turns like you'd at least expect and stomach. When the Falcon "dodges", it merely "avoids" by slight adjustments side-to-side, not that staccato movement like the rocket chasing Obi-Wan exhibits. That thing moves up, down, and sideways with lightening reflexes in space and nothing but rear propulsion. (3) I want my heroes to fight like heroes and make me feel like they are what they claim they are. Again, no answer to the question - even "random" firing by that many droids at SOMETHING would mean at least 10s if not more laser shots PER SECOND at a Jedi to try blocking. Didn't happen at all that I saw, and should have been occuring regularly throughout the entire fight. (4) No I don't assume he is going to, as she says "THE Hangar" as if she knows it for fact. (5) It is a weak plot device, again in anyone's book, that OB1 can ask so many inane questions and be thoguht of as an emissary. (6) Possibly more than any other plot hole, this one is unforgiveable and stupid. Shmi's whole presence and Anakin's "motivation" is just badly done. To identify with characters we have to at least understand why they do what they do or know we would do the same thing in similar circustances (good guy things that is). I would not leave my mother for 10 years as a slave, then suddenly feel compelled to save her, and expect anyone around me to have any sympathy whatsoever. (7) see 6. (8) Windu jumped down when he saw droid coming through the hallway, and didn't even bother to try killing Jango or Dooku even though he easily could at least have beheaded someone and still jumped. But that point is not my biggest problem. It is the tactical stupidity, and the more they get "pushed" into the center, the more ridiculous it gets that THE DROIDS STILL CANNOT SEEM TO FIRE MORE THAN ONE SIMULTANEOUS SHOT AT A JEDI EVEN WITH 15 Jedi and 500 droids (including the ones with Uzzis on their wrists). I just don't care about characters in far-fetched and stupid situations, who get out of them in equally far-fetched and stupid ways. (9)Actually, my point was not about why C3PO recognizes Anakin other than as setup for the real question of why C3PO doesnt' recognize Owen and the farm later. Memory wipe, talk about deux ex machina (again). Sure, we'll see if that is actually done to C3PO in EP III. If is isn't literally done to him, this is a hole. (10) I am not picking any hole, it is there and easily noticed. Zam sees OB1 fall, may or may not notice the subsequent dive-bombing to save him, but in any case why would Zam dive down towards the people he is escaping from? His ship is docked 1+ miles above and facing away from them, and you are telling me somehow he dives down right with them to let them continue chasing him? SO he vertically dives just like them as well, no movement to get away either? Since when OB1 is rescued they immediately chase Zam in front of them, he must have done just that - dove right down WITH THEM for no reason anyone can explain. (11) I don't mean physics as in gravity laws and such, I am talking plot physics and the ships cannot be where they are supposed to be. ****** In the end, it doesn't matter. I thoguht this movie was horribly acted, paced, edited and had good to great CGI scenery to gawk at. But I could care less about any characters. The only sympathy infact, which is itself telling, is again for the nostalgic knowledge we all have about some characters from the OT and not what they present to us through EPs I and II. Plot and script flaws the magnititude of AOTC, in any other movie, would be more likely to be admitted to by even fans. But not SW. You are right, I won't change my mind and more importantly I won't bother seeing it twice. I really feel bad for the people who refuse to admit (or are just lying) that this movie isn't very good.

  • STAR WARS SUCKS! sorry... im lame, I know, but jesus christ kids, grow up would you? Star Wars sucked when I was 5 years old and it sucks now. George Lucas had some talent when he made the first 2, the he realized hed be making millions of dollars if he sold out and made movies solely for action figure sales, and when he realized that you costumed dorks and assembled losers would still buy said lame merchandise (well not really, those action figures DO rock indeed) he suddenly remembered that he wanted to do 3 more movies! So he had to go back, cover his tracks, make the special editions (with all our heroes being moral, no shooting first Han!) so it would seem like he had planned this all along! Of course he didn., why? you ask? Because even he knows Star Wars sucks. So go see a good movie this weekend, one that has made its money due to the fact that it IS a good movie. Im of course reffering to "Enough" starrin J-lo, not Spiderman, I mean really, who would pay money to see a movie they ripped off of a comic book? hehe

  • May 18, 2002, 5:38 p.m. CST

    "I Just Had To Look, Having Read The Book..." OR MACE IS A FUCK

    by jollydwarf

    I'll deal with the second subject first. I just got done reading the novelization and I must say, yet again, the book is better than the movie. The movie is almost supplimental material for the book, so you can relax your brain and not have to worry about conjuring up images of never-before-seen planets and characters while you're trying to follow the somewhat complex narrative. NON-SEQUIOTR!!! ***Before I forget, did anyone else see that Triumph the Insulting Dog segment on Conan last night? SPOCK FLICKING OFF LINE-SITTERS? NOTHING THIS YEAR CAN BE FUNNIER. Telling a twerp to "PUT IT BACK ON! PUT IT BACK ON!" when he takes his Stormtrooper helmet off? Outstanding. A dog-puppet dry-humping Vader's shoulderplate? It gets no better. Anyways, I hope to find that on Kazaa soon. BUT BACK TO MACE. I am now firmly convinced that he is a traitor. I spelled some of it out in a post right after seeing a midnight showing (it's in Moriarty's review) Reasons? Okay, 1.) He could've easily wacked Dooku in the Arena. he didn't. 2.)He tells Palpatine that "there aren't enough Jedi", much like Mas Amedda and Palpatine do that "gee, if only Amidala were here" routine to lure Jar Jar into their trap. 3.) He has a purple, i.e. "in-between" lightsaber. Don't believe that this was Sam's request alone. 4.)He tells Obi-Wan in the book that he has to have faith that "the boy will chose the right path." Contextually, it's almost a dismissive Saddam Hussein from South Park "Look at me! I can change!" dance routine. 5a) He suggests to Padme that the assasination attempt was "spice miners on the moons of Naboo". 5b.) He denies that Dooku would "assasinate anyone. It's not in his character." 6.) He's Sam Jackson, for chrissakes! Do you really think George hired him to be boring? 7.) The army was in place and Jango was no longer needed. He could've been caught and had information extracted from him. 8.) WHO DO YOU THINK ERASED THE KAMINO DATA? Dooku left the Jedi and THEN turned. I would assume, anyways. 9.) He corroborates with Palpatine's suggestion to have Obi-Wan (read: Anakin) guard Padme. 10.) He doesn't sense Anakin's pain when meditating. OKAY, TEN'S ENOUGH FOR NOW. How many clues can you find? But I gotta say, Harry, the movie could've been so much better if it had the depth of the book. I know that Lucas wouldn't ever unleash a four-hour film on the unsuspecting public, but the book actually made me care about the Fetts, gave Dooku's departure some much needed insight, and colored in Padme's withdrawal from allowing herself to enjoy life, while Anakin's enthusiasm and different perspective is what awakens her to her own blindness AND her feelings towards the petulant post-adolescent. And no matter what anyone says, the love scene dialogue is mostly unbearable. I just don't know how they thought that this shit would fly, unless they were calculating phrases that smoothly translated into all languages. And for me, the whole prequel trilogy now rests on Episode III. If it is any sort of disappointment, then all three are. For I have endured artificial suspense of characters who I know are going to live and then die later on, because of this Sith elusiveness that permeates the storyline. George, we want the payoff. And a good one. Not just a poorly-cut sequence of events. Well, I must be going. And I have overstayed my welcome here. But I'm sure this conversation will still be here when I get back.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:41 p.m. CST

    People Need to Relax!

    by HollyS

    Ok for that person who asked why you find normal reviews from people who dont like SW AOTC here? You cant put a negative review on those star wars boards, thats like triyng to commit Internet suicide. And besides 100 percent star wars lovers out there wont accept it or even be open to it. As for others who put down the other people who thought the movie stunk, you guys need to relax and let others have there say on this matter. Oh and i personaly go to GENERAL Scifi boards and other places where i have read equal amounts of negative and positive Star Wars reviews. Do i agree with the positive reviews no. But am I gonna be a jerk about it and say your a looser or insult that person further becuase I dont like that reivew....NO. You people need to relax and let others have there say. If you harp on someones negative review or even there positive review you make the person look good and yourself well, you just look silly as hell. Anyway lets all enjoy the movies coming out. Oh and as for that person comenting on how low Matrix is, you realy need to look at the first film again. Matrix rocked and next year Matrix is gonna rule the box office charts....well it will be close with LOTR's last sequel coming out in december as well as the new Spiderman sequel.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Owen's age

    by Sigue Sigue

    A lot of people complain about Owen's age saying that theres no way that he could be anakin's half brother and still be the same age. Well Owen isn't Anakin's half brother, he's his step brother. Shmi isn't Owen's mother.

  • May 18, 2002, 5:57 p.m. CST

    I saw it, was *really* entertained and now I want to see it agai

    by steve_zodiac

    The only shame is that Hayden Christiansen really is very poor and Natalie Portman is a plank. Real shame. But the story, effects and Christopher Lee RULE!!

  • May 18, 2002, 5:59 p.m. CST

    I loved this movie!!!

    by Darth Sanford

    Harry you are 100% right. Thisd movie was great. This movie is what I have waited 25 years to see. I saw Star Wars its first weekend back in 1977. AOTC has begun to answer all the questions about these people from Epsidoe IV I had all those years ago. Boba hates Jedi because....., How did Luke end up with his "Unlce Owen and Aunt Beru"..... Was it one thing or a string of events that turned Vader to the dark side..... The action was awesome, Padme and Anakin was handled beautifully (These days ererybody has to have the "hump scene" to see love expressed - they find young innocent love boring)and the friction between Obi-Wan and Anakin has such a wonderfully dark depth to it. Besides, how can you find fault with a film that has a scene with about a hundred Jedi battling beasts nd droids AND Christopher Lee in it. The cricle is almost complete and I am trying to get my mind around the fact that we have to wait 2+ years to see Epsiode III. Thanks for having the ability to see what we have hear Harry.

  • May 18, 2002, 6 p.m. CST

    About the Starship Troopers comment

    by Red Giant

    Ernst, what about Troopers did you think was bad? Verhoeven used the same RoboCop future-satire and it worked well. The acting was fine, what wasn't good given it was a tongue-in-cheek intent he was going for? The acting skills of all involved was fine, unlike AOTC where the intent of the actors often was not what they wish they conveyed to you. Where they want romantic seriousness we were all laughing at them (not with them). Where they want grand drama and heroics, we are bored watchign a lot of CGI and not gettign any heroic impressions and respect for a character out of it. Acting is supposed to make us feel that not only are the characters empathized with, but that their realistic actions, mannerisms and speeches are what we would ourselves do and understand doing in those circumstances. The acting skills are very wooden in AOTC, and I blame the scrip writing as much as the actors delivering the lines (a combination, and neither is guiltless). Btw, one big reason you don't see more specific gripes to explain the parts of the moive that many felt were bad is b/c it sort of permeates the entire movie's style and content. Sure, I can pick on specific scenes all day long, but it is more the sum of the parts that matters most. it is just obvious to me this movie is not great. Very obvious at that. Not that I'd compare it as beign as poor as Scooby Doo by a long shot, but still - how would you go about explaining why the Scooby Doo movie really is terrible? By pointing out specific scenes, as if just those scenes are bad and almost giving an unintended boost to all the scenes you don't have time to comment on? Of course not, you just say the movie sucks and be done with it. Anyone watching it can tell what you mean.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Episode III

    by mascan

    It seems that Lucas still has quite a lot of plot to squeeze into Ep III . . . it'll have to be at least 3 hours long. Consider: 1. We have to see some more of the Clone Wars. 2. Anakin has to slowly turn to the Dark Side. 3. Palpatine has to be made Emperor. 4. Anakin has to pledge himself to the Emperor. 5. We have to finally learn more about the Sith Lords, who they are, and how they came to be. 6. Anakin & Padme's marriage has to start to fall apart. 7. Anakin's Turning Point, where he becomes a Sith Lord. 8. Padme has to get pregnant. 9. Padme has to be gotten away from Anakin before he finds out she's preganant. 10. The children, once born, have to be adopted by the Lars' and the Organas. 11. The Emperor must be revealed as Darth Sidious. 12. The Sith Lords (presumably with the help of the clone army) must wipe out the Jedi (presumably in a series of long, protracted battles). 13. There must be a climactic battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin, at the end of which Anakin must be so horrifically wounded that he can only survive by wearing the mask for the rest of his life. 14. Obi-Wan and Yoda must retreat to their respective hiding places and await Luke's coming of age in Episode IV. 15. Anakin must complete his transformation into Darth Vader by putting on the costume, and dubbing in James Earl Jones' voice. Sounds like a hell of a lot of plot for one movie. I just hope Lucas can pull it off.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:06 p.m. CST

    sad...

    by TheDrunkenJedi

    Just been reading some of the above posts and all I can say is that i'm glad that I have not become so jaded and cynical that the experience of watching a film can be ruined by something such as slightly dodgy CGI. Those people that are raging about Bad CGI (and it wasn't) are basically saying that the difference between this film being good or bad is special effects. Anyone who holds this viewpoint does not deserve to call themselves a movie fan at all!!! Its time for you to wave Mommy goodbye, clear out your room and sell your collectable Darth Vader quilt in order to get drunk, cos lets face it - you need it.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:15 p.m. CST

    The final nail in the Star Wars coffin.

    by Roosterbooster

    Flat, dull, mediocre. Yeah great special effects but so what? Money buys great special effects. George Lucas had twenty years and billions of dollars to make this film and look at the mediocre result.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:27 p.m. CST

    MOANING GITS!!!!!!!!!

    by glaswallace

    what a bunch of bairns!! as eddie murphy would say have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up yes the dialogue was shit, and the kissy kissy scenes were dodgy, but the film overall was as good as any other star wars film. like to see you lot of moaning bastards reiview any of the original 3 films if they were first released today. all yous who moan, fuck off and do something else, like lose your virginity.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Movie fan and SW fan in restaurant.

    by Xoxarle

    Movie fan: "This food sucks. It's awful." SW fan: "yeah, but look at the decor. Look at that waitress. Look at that view out of the window." Movie fan: "I came here to eat Goddamn it, and this food sucks. It's making me sick." SW fan: "Yeah, perhaps, the food ain't so great, but THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. I bet that kid over there is enjoying it. Stop nit-picking. Apart from the food, this restaurant ROCKS. It KICKS ASS."

  • May 18, 2002, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Sigh...

    by hailredskins

    Well talkback readings of the new Star Wars installment...are certainly tiring. I have seen this movie twice (yes, I was in line for the 12:01 performance and saw it that evening at 7:30) already and have to say that it is indeed a vast improvement over Episode I- and I would say it rivals IV & V in sheer entertainment value with a depth that is not completely apparent on first viewing. Heck, the popcorn tastes so good initially and we are so caught up in the visuals that one dosen't stop to analyze that depth initially. So now all has settled in my mind- i have had a few days to reflect, and I have to say that this is great visual cinema storytelling. This is pulp mythology at its best. Good vs. evil, ode to Homer and Beowulf of the past with a blend of Flash Gordon & Buck Rogers with a Joeseph Cambell storytelling. that's the entertainment that has pleased us over the ages- and inspired us to take the storymaking medium further. I felt on a second viewing that the performances were solid. Sure there were some lines that made me cringe, but being muttered from teens, I kind of expect that. And the storyline that runs beneath of the political struggle is very interesting- drawing on history repeated. The visuals are awe inspiring. I felt a level of comfort in this film that was not in Episode I or constrained to a budget limited Episode IV less is more mentallity because there is no way we can possibly have the trchnology to create this effect or set. No, this was the grandest visual movie that could only previously be done in animation or illustrations/comics. And the sound effects perfectly complement this ambitious project. Kudos to Lucas' spark of imagination and his art department & ILM for pulling it off. Amazing- truly! I was giddy after seeing this- feeding off the smiles and discussion groups after the movie. There was an electric sensation that people had fun- and had been inspired to dream a little more and forget the drudgeries we allow ourselves to get caught up in. And I am one of those people- inspired as an 8 year old to draw spaceships/robots/creatures/alien worlds after seeing Star Wars. But this movie brought me back to being a kid again- dreaming of amazing worlds with gigantic battles of good vs. evil. And I for one would like to thank Mr. Lucas for transporting me again- even if only for those 2 hours 20 minutes.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:40 p.m. CST

    See it again! See it again!

    by Playhouse

    Not to boost box office but to get it. I saw it Thursday morning and was left kind of deflated. It really underwhelmed me and didn't seem all that great. In fact, I posted on this earlier in the TB. But it took me a second viewing of Episode I to come to an understanding with it so I figured that must be the same thing with Episode II. Oh boy was I right. From the opening crawl, everything was right. The movie flowed, the story worked. I loved this movie. So much so that I think it is perhaps my favorite of the entire series, bumping even Empire. If you've seen it once, see it again. You'll find yourself liking, possibly even loving it. I am a fan again.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:41 p.m. CST

    AOTC was pretty good

    by GREGORRE

    Lots to say. First time saying it online. I liked this film. Like others have said, I too was pleasantly surprised. I went in hoping it would be good, but not counting on it. I grew up having seen ANH at age 6 seven times at the theater because my dad was cool enough to take me and my two brothers over and over again. When ESB came out, we waited in a line wrapping around the corner of the theater to see it - and it was worth it. I was young enough with ROTJ that the ewoks didn't seem too cute, they were just part of the story. TPM was a kind of cool and groundbreaking, if ultimately flawed film that never evoked wonder, but started us on a journey to find out how the last three films came to be, in the Star Wars galaxy. This movie, if you can suspend disbelief tells a very intricate and subtle story, if you can stop looking for whats wrong with it. No film is perfect, and every film I've ever seen could have done some things different that would have pleased me, but you know what, I DIDN'T make it and it doesn't have to please me. It's a piece of art. It took talent and vision to create, and if it's not for me, then so be it. I still can respect all the time and effort and hard work it took to put it all together for me to see. That's what this movie is about. It's Lucas' vision and story. I couldn't have come up with something like this - top to bottom. Has anyone here written a fantastic sci-fi novel that moved everyone who's ever read it? Let alone create the visual images to back it up on screens 40 feet across, or larger? He has my admiration but doesn't need it. He doesn't need yours if you're not inclined to give it either. So what if you didn't like? Your opinion's valid. Just don't rail on people if they disagree. Some specific thoughts: 1. Hayden C and Natalie P were directed to act as they did. That is what Lucas wanted, it otherwise wouldn't have made it into the final copy. I have to agree with whoever posted the comments about royalty, royal guardsmen, etc. Padme was a queen, now she's a senator. She's been trained to be restrained and stoic and stolid to everyone. AS have the Jedi. They are supposed to be unattached and aloof. People do not want a ruler who flies off the handle, acts irrationally, makes judgements by the seat of their pants. Padme knows her world and Anakin's world crumbles if they give in to emotion. That's why Anakin was felt to be too old to enter training. He has too many emotions, holds too much fear. Lucas and the actors think saw this in the characters and the world they were supposed to be in and translated it well. 2. Yoda was cool, and now I can see why he was the Master of masters. I had a tough time buying that in ESB. 3. Droids are droids to a moisture farmer, I'm sure. Especially stolen ones sold by Jawas. C3PO was tarnished and thrown together in AOTC. He's shining, gold plated in ANH and STOLEN as well. Why should Owen remember him? In TPM, there's a silver plated protocol droid on the Trade Federation ship with a female voice, but it still LOOKED like 3PO. That's easily explained. As for 3PO and R2's lack of memory about Tatooine, they almost had their memories erased in ANH. Who's to say it doesn't happen again in Episode III to help protect Padme as she'll probably be fomenting a rebellion secretly by the end of Ep III, and the droids memories may be loose ends. Anything's possible. 4. The last place Anakin would probably look for a hidden son of his would be his backwater home planet of outer rim Tatooine, with his backwater stepbrother and his girlfriendwhom he has met for about two days, I would guess. The catharsis is far from over but will end for now. Thanks for your opinion Harry, by the way.

  • May 18, 2002, 6:45 p.m. CST

    You havent seen anything yet

    by Miss Aura

    Roosterbooster the final nail in the star wars coffin comes in 3 years time, in fact. And in the wait, there will be no film to touch the effects in this film. Glasswallace, I agree with you that if the original trilogy was released today it would be classed as a joke. There are going to be some people who dont like it as well as some who do, nobody should care as long as you yourself like it. I cant wait until the AOTC DVD comes out in September, you think you've seen the final cut then you've got another thing coming.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:02 p.m. CST

    anyone else thought this movie looked soft?

    by audiris

    i saw it on film, all the trailers were crisp, but then the movie starts and oh boy... ALL the shots were soft, especially in wide shots there was no deatil whatsoever. also dark areas were full of bluish pixels, it looked so obviously video. and actors faces, my god, just plastic. sorry, georgie, but throw these digital cameras away, they are just no good. ps: anyone else thought yoda fights like a mosquito?

  • May 18, 2002, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Lets play count the blatant influences.

    by Xoxarle

    Remember the days when Star Wars influenced OTHER movies? How the mighty have fallen. Here goes: The Searchers (Tuskan Camp), Blade Runner (Coruscant), Gladiator (Coliseum scene), A.I. (The aliens on Kamaino), Man With The Golden Gun (Who shot that poison dart? subplot), Dune Miniseries (Geonosis topography), Chicken Run (droid factory conveyor belt action sequence), Empire Strikes Back (asteroid chase), Monsters Inc (CGI backgrounds), Bond Movies In General (capture the hero, but don't kill him, instead concoct a bizarre and elaborate execution set piece), Phantom Menace (same stilted Patience My Young Padawan jedi dialog), Mummy Returns (ho-hum CGI army battle set pieces) .... George Lucas. The Vanilla Ice Of Movie Directors. MAJOR PLOT SPOILER FOR EP III - Jar Jar is really Darth Sidious. You heard it here first.

  • ...Yet you spend precious energy telling people to fuck off and saying they should be relocated to Montana just because they have an opinion that differs from yours. Guess what? Not everyone is going to agree all the time about everything. Some of us weighed and measured AOTC and found it lacking. Big deal. Get over it. I'm not going to be struck dead by a bolt of lightning from on high for saying this film sucked, and I'm not going to say that someone who loved it is doomed to eternal torture. I didn't like it. IN MY OPINION the romance blew goats, the acting (with the exceptions of Christopher Lee and Ewan McGregor) left a lot to be desired, and the CGI couldn't mask the underdeveloped characters and weak story. That's how I see it, and the same goes for a lot of others. What the fuck is with the vitriol on the part of the rabid SW fanboys? Someone didn't like your sacred cow, and isn't worshipping George Lucas because we didn't like this film, so you have to insult people personally instead of accepting differing opinions as normal and getting over it? That's just ridiculous. Get a grip, please.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Well done, Harry

    by jsulbyrne

    Good evening. Harry, I've been visiting your site since the beginning, the blue text on a gray, advertisement-free background days. I don't always agree with you and sometimes find your writing style questionable. However, your AOTC review really hits the nail on the head. Your observations, especially the brilliant James Bond comparison, are sharp and insightful. This is your best piece of work ever. Thank you.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Hey Xoxarle ever hear of The Hidden Fortress by Kurosawa?

    by PimpeeMcGee

    If your gonna rip on AOTC, at least know what the fuck you are talking about. It is no secret that in the original Star Wars, Lucas had been influenced by the many films by Kurosawa, and about a million other films. So Star Wars had never been that original in the first place. If you're going to be a nitpicky asshole, at least be fair.

  • ...when it becomes uncool to actually admit you liked ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Loved it and PHANTOM MENACE, and I just ignore the naysayers.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:21 p.m. CST

    It was okay

    by WinkinBlinkinNod

    This film had so much going for it. A potentially compelling storyline, potentially interesting and eyepopping SFX, a second scriptwriter... need I go on? There are moments of genius here; the opening shot, Coruscant city chase, the asteroid chase sequence, Anakin's massacre scene, but it seems to me that these moments of genius are surrounded by mediocrity. Poor dialogue, bad directing, worse editing. George has a line-up of some great actors who CAN deliver the type of cheesy lines that we all know and love in the Star Wars universe, but he gives them no room to breath any sense of life into their performances. Again, there are some absolutely fantastic stuff within this film. Great sound design, spectacular colour design (vivid stuff), a psychologically interesting story, but what does George do? He decides that he needs to put in a useless factory/conveyer-belt sequence that just seems to "go on and on" ad nauseum. He doesn't give us any examples of the Jedi being anything other than mindless Buddest priests. No wonder it was so easy for Palpatine to seize power. With a government this inept as to give supreme power to a single person even though they won't vote for a Republican Army themselves seems a tad too left field for me. Give us some real intelligent conflict here George. It's like he's afraid to make this that type of film that just gets vaulted to the "next level". Sure it was entertaining. It had some great eyecandy/earcandy (I actually liked the WWII Spitfire/Stuka engine sounds in the Jedi transports, the "BRAMMMM" of the sonic detonators in the asteroid field). It seems to me that we should be judging a film based upon it's story and dialogue, the humanity of the characters, the passion hidden behind each and every single uttered phrase which speaks to an audience in more resounding ways than a "wiz-bang, blow 'em up" SFX shot can convey anyday. I think that it can be agreed that George desparately needs to hand the director's chair over to a more capable person. Sure he improved over TPM, but is that enough? It's good, but not what it can and should be. Sure these are "B movies" in George's mind. But if he was so intune with the fanbase (and let's face it, it's the fanbase that will create the word-of-mouth on this or any of his films) he'd completely realize that these films have grown slightly larger than the "B movie" skin. And one last thing. Where the hell was Johnnie Williams on this one? The love theme was decent, but the rest chaulked up to incedental music. Without some great, ORIGINAL music, Star Wars is not half the movie that it can be. I personally thought that "Dual of the Fates" was a bold, intelligent move on both Williams and Lucas' part, but incedental music throughout most of the film? Come on. There is no one better out there to do this type of music that the Star Wars universe needs. We know that Williams can do this stuff in his sleep (maybe that was his problem).

  • May 18, 2002, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Ahem...

    by Flagg

    This... is your brain http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/images/ae78.jpg This... is your brain on Star Wars http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/photos/images/04.jpg Any questions?

  • May 18, 2002, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Slowbro, a couple more

    by Miss Aura

    I'm looking forward to those being on the disc and also: Dooku fighting with two light sabres against Yoda, Anakin fighting with one lightsabre and then Obi Wan passing him the other because he is getting frustrated at Dooku blocking his swings. The whole conversation regarding the lost twenty and young Boba putting on the helmet and jetpack and flying out of the arena. There is about 30 minutes which could easily be put back in for the DVD, the only thing I dont like about this is that Lucas must re-release the DVD version in the cinema as well. Some people out there havent got DVD and its unfair on them.

  • What happened to this part of the movie? Why does Jar Jar still speak in Pidgin? I'm not a Jar Jar hater, so it doesn't really botehr me one way or the other how he talks in the film, but it did make me wonder: was the "early draft" of the script that was floating around the Web a doctored hoax, in that thye took the real early draft and added false lines as a joke?

  • May 18, 2002, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Red Giant...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    Listen mate, I think we're going to have to agree to differ on these subjects, for the sake of our sanities and souls. I'm not usually such an argumentative bloke on this site, I'm quite happy to sit around and enlighten the proceedings with insightful wit and rapier comments (and general useless film knowledgee that resides in the head of a twenty-one year old student). I do like a good arguement, but I usually save it for a one-on-one with a good mate face to face. I understand you didn't like the film and I'm never going to change your opinion. For all your replies to my answers I could argue further replies and I'm sure you could argue back again. My problem is I deeply loved this film, it really swept me up more than any film I've seen in the cinema since, oh, The Last Crusade. I felt a connection, it took me to exciting places, it filled me with a sense of awe, it made the hairs of my neck stand on end and for the first and only time for a film it made me clap at the end. I love a film that can do that. Every film has its errors. For FOTR, I had major problems with the perspective work, the humour, and the incessant sweeping camera work. Did I dislike the film? Not at all. Because I love this film, I want to defend it. Because you hate it, you want to decry it. I can understand. i would shout myself hoarse telling all about the shitness of Tomb Raider and I will shout myself hoarse extolling AOTC. Lets respect each others opinion, please, because let's face it, we're being as bad as each other (well, maybe I'm being a little worse, I did call you "an arrogant tosspot" - sorry). PS. The satire of Starship Troopers did work, but overall I felt the film didn't. Verhoeven treads a fine line between satire and gratuitousness (sic) and the actors are universally C-grade (but I suppose that's the point).

  • May 18, 2002, 7:33 p.m. CST

    The audience I was with laughed at yoda and booed when the movie

    by metsrulein2k

    and we also got a chant of boooooring, booooooring, started every time hayden christensen oppened his mouth, and harry, that dialogue you posted when they declare their love for one another was so terrible delivered and soooooo god-awfully acted, not to mention how bad the timing was (seriously, the whole theatre was salivating for the big action scene then he numbs it over with that shit) Star Wars continues to suck, ANH was the only good one, its been all downhill from there, but at least the sw geeks in the theatre knew how boring the piece of shit was. And a lot of people were pissed abuot the yoda thing because he is supposed to fix stuff with his mind, doing it with a lightsaber makes him no different from any other jedi in the movie, except he is a bit quicker. Said it once, and I'll say it again, SW sux!!! LOTR fucking rules!!!!!!

  • If that's true, I guess you could say that if you didn't like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, then you aren't a true Indiana Jones fan...or if you didn't like The Godfather Part 3, you aren't a true Godfather fan...how about if you didn't like Rocky V, you aren't a true Rocky fan...or maybe if you didn't like Alien Resurrection, you aren't a true Alien fan...if you didn't like Batman and Robin, you aren't a true Batman fan...or if you didn't like Superman IV, you aren't a true Superman fan. That statement doesn't hold any water--Just because you don't like one bad movie doesn't mean you aren't a fan. A lot of people didn't like this movie, and many of them have legitimate gripes as to why. Some people liked the movie, and some of them had legitimate reasons why. I did NOT like this movie (as stated way above), but I still consider myself a fan of the Star Wars series, so whoever is saying that garbage isn't making any sense. On to the movie, though...I still don't understand why so many people like this film. It's Star Wars, so there should be unrealistic parts, but what about when Anakin finds his mom--let me get this straight--she survives, hanging by a thread, for 30 days. THE MOMENT Anakin gets there, she dies??? The "I am now complete" line just before that also drew laughs at the theater I was in, along with 9 or 10 other lines as well. The bad dialogue, lifeless acting, blatanty unfunny one-liners and the completely boring first two hours put this a HAIR above The Phantom Menace. Yes, I did NOT like this movie, and yes, I AM a Star Wars fan.

  • May 18, 2002, 7:56 p.m. CST

    People who believe film looks better than digital :"A man convin

    by Neutral_Density

    That is all I can say to people who are proponents of a 100+ year old medium. I am certain that you are the modern day equivalents of film critics who believed that silent black and white film was the pinnacle of artistic cinema. Once cinema introduced colour and sound, critics such as Arnheim railed on and on about how it marks the end of true cinema. In technical response to those who say: "Digital images contain less information than 35mm film images, and the more you test their limits, the more you see that" I must say you are right, however that is meaningless. First of all, it is quality of the lenses that focus photons onto the film plain. Silver halides register them. Depending on the ISO rating of the film, you end up with higher grain (grainier film) being used in faster film and vice versa for slower film. The fact remains that you have an organic strip of film that has GRAIN (ie. circles of confusion) that is how it registers an image on the film. 24p digital cameras do not have grain. There is no celluloid. You may have slight artifacting depending on how much you blow up the image, however the pros outweigh the cons: a) cost b) image quality c) integrity of the image over time and repeated viewings. Sure, I can say that "audio tape has more memory than a compact disc" and I would technically be right. But which sounds better? (the same goes for the arguments about vinyl versus compact disc, it is all a matter of preference) All the lens does though is focus the light onto the film, the silver halides determine the grain of the film, and the lens determines the sharpness. In terms of what money is saved by not having to develop and process film can be allocated to other areas to make better movies. It is a win-win situation. You get better movies, you get a better image. I saw AOTC- the image was rich, vibrant (correct saturation) sharp, perfect depths of field. I was particularily impressed with how it handled low lighting conditions, as demonstrated by Padme's sleeping scene, and the Anakin sabre fight at the end. But I digress, I come back to the usual refrain "A MAN CONVINCED AGAINST HIS WILL IS OF THE SAME OPINION, STILL".

  • May 18, 2002, 8:04 p.m. CST

    my audiences loved it...

    by majorq007

    ...so far. but i think its incredibly rude when audience members shout smart ass comments during the film. even if its bad, go ahead and boo at the end, but please, not everyone wants to be subjected to a single audience member's 'witty' comments and 'hilarious' jibes. why is it that EVERYONE nowadays 1)thinks they're the funniest gift to humanity ever, and 2)that we want to be subjected to their 'humor' whenever possible? shut up and sit down, i say. but, like i said, my audiences have loved the film as great popcorn fun, which it is!

  • May 18, 2002, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Memo to all Jedi:

    by Qwaz

    Two Words: Wrist Strap

  • May 18, 2002, 8:06 p.m. CST

    "You're not a real fan!"

    by Lidane

    Ugh...that is the most juvenile, bullsh*t put down in history. And it's the tactic of someone who refuses to accept anything that could possibly taint their rose-colored, myopic view of things and admit that maybe everything isn't perfect, and that there ARE flaws in something you love. I used to see that crap all the time on music boards-- "A true Metallica fan likes every song they've ever recorded!" "A true fan likes only the music they made when Cliff Burton was alive!" "A true Pink Floyd Fan likes every album!" "A real Floyd fan stopped listening to them after Roger Waters (or Syd Barrett) left!" "A real Van Halen fan likes only the songs Dave recorded!" "Van Halen is about more than Dave..." Blah blah blah....same sh*t, different board here. How many Trek fans argue amongst themselves about this crap? "Real fans only like the original series! Fans of (insert later series here) aren't real Trek fans!" "If you don't like every Trek film, you're not a fan!" A lot of the folks here who didn't like AOTC very much *are* Star Wars fans. We wanted more from this film than what was delivered and we can see that there were many places in the film that could have been better, so we mention them. It doesn't make anyone any less of a fan to criticize something. Remember-- in the story, it was the young child who wasn't afraid to speak his mind that pointed out the emporer was naked, when everyone else was falling all over themselves to compliment him on his new clothes. Criticism is a GOOD thing. It's not done out of spite, but out of a love for the material, and knowing that it could have been so much more than the final movie we all saw.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:09 p.m. CST

    fluffygreycat, i agree!

    by majorq007

    you shouldn't have to be eight again to love AOTC. its a silly argument to limit these movies to a single age mentality. then again, i'm 20 years old and i loved the movie. I think AOTC transcends any single age group (especially with the surprising amount of brutality displayed for a PG movie--some shocking and great moments). For me, as a 20 year old, AOTC was wonderful. And i loved Spider-Man. And I enjoyed FOTR, but with significant reservations. but i digress.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:15 p.m. CST

    "You're not a real fan" is a bad argument, but...

    by majorq007

    ...it's really a valid point that's been poorly worded. I think people mean that, to them, AOTC embodies everything THEY feel SW is about. And so they feel that people who dislike the film simply don't 'get' SW. Now this isn't an argument I agree with, but I think that its certainly a valid one that brings into question what, exactly, SW is all about. So its a terribly worded and presented argument that's pretty dumb, but there's some interesting points to it when worded properly.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Lots of good and some bad

    by ewem

    Ep. 2 is a good film that actually had some true Star Wars moment. I loved Yoda, Fett, Dooku, Palpatine, and many other things. Two things that are indefensible, that you, Harry, are making every excuse in the book for is 1.) Natalie and Hayden's horrid acting and 2.) The wretched dialgoude they spewed. Lucas is a great technical director...but he can't write characters worth a damn. A 7th grader wrote those "love scenes" for other 7th graders. I understand these characters are "pure" and all that...but really Harry, admit it...this was rank.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:21 p.m. CST

    7 Things Episode 2 Did Right

    by Qwaz

    I love this movie. Here are 7 things that Lucas did RIGHT in this film.... (1) Jango/Boba Fett. Jango is Han under different circumstances. Both were capitalists just trying to make a buck by selling their services to the highest bidder. Jango is what Han could easily have become if not for the influence of Luke and Leia... I think the Jango/Han duality is important because they represent us even more than Luke. They are the symbols for what can become of a person should they choose the path of greed (Jango) or, ultimately, honor (Han). Also, Jango is that most rare of sci-fi villans... a likeable, non-magical foe that is actually competent. (2) Intricate story. Political maneuverings; the competing agendas of freedom and security; the failure of the Jedi due to its lack of vigilance; the emerging creepiness of Anakin; the ironic genesis of the stormtroopers and and the Empire. (3) Kamino. The ethereal race on this world gave me the impression of intelligence and creepiness. Perfect for what they were doing... raising a clone army. (4) Obi-Wan's space-ship. A small sports car with detachable hyperdrive. This is the spaceship James Bond would pilot. One of the coolest ship designs in the series. (5) Sound. The sound in this movie was brilliant. There are many times in this movie when the sound of one of the new weapons really evokes a response like the mines in the asteroid belt or the low "whoosh" of the bug-creature's disruptor. (6) Yoda. Sure he's quick to dispense the wisdom, but who suspected that little green tree frog could move like that? Surprises from Yoda are always welcome. (7) JarJar. Yeah, that's right; you heard me. I said Jar Jar. Lucas effectively salvaged this annoying POS character by making him a political pawn of the emerging empire. Instead of bumbling around knocking out battle droids by accident like in TPM, he's portrayed as the mental midget he is and unwittingly helps plant the seeds of the Empire.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:24 p.m. CST

    1984!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by XharbingerX

    Ha. Actually . . if you liked anything Van Halen did after Roth, you're not well. And cliff burton was the man, too bad they killed him, i guess they just couldn't stand the fact that he was the only reason they were semi-good. But the movie rocked and i don't see what the big deal is. there has never been a star wars movie with good dialogue or good acting, not even empire. in fact, i think this one has the best out of the five, but whatever. i'm just juvenile i guess.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:32 p.m. CST

    2 Points

    by robertjconklin

    1. Jango Fett reveals that a man named Tyranous hired him for the cloning job. At the end of the film Dooku is referred to as Lord Tyranous by Sidious. 2. I think that Shmi was left alive for Anakin to find on purpose. Her torture was used the same way that Han + Leia's was in Empire strikes back. Why else would sandpeople leave her alive when they killed everyone else they've ever been shown to come in contact with? Further, we see that Palpatine specifically is working on Anakin's dark side through the film and works his magic to get skywalker and Amidala together.

  • May 18, 2002, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Harry, you get it...

    by Hoojib

    I've been reading reports on this site for many years now but never felt like I wanted to post with most of the off-base ranting and whining, but this time I just wanted say, "Harry. You get it. You get it like -I- get it, so thanks." So, thanks Harry. Nice to see other people out there appreciate this movie the way my friends and I have. Screw the friking reviewers, I don't know WHAT movie they saw...

  • May 18, 2002, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Awesome post Qwaz!

    by sparticusmaximus

    And I must say Anakin's confession scene is as deep emotionally as anything in ESB's final act. Powerful acting by Hayden....When you add he Emperor's theme in the background....stirring stuff. And Yoda leading the Clones.......INCREDIBLE IMAGE!

  • Insist that one's better than the other all you want, but don't do be stupid. And frankly, looking over this talkback, I'm getting deja vu. Do we really need to go through ALL THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS we've gone through about Episode One and just about every movie that's come out since? Oh, we do? Fine, bye.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Its Star Wars and i love it....

    by dazedlam

    Since when has star wars been about the acting? The original trilogy wasnt exactly praised for it so why do people expect this from the new star wars films? Dont know, and i wished i didnt care. Cant people just love the fact that they get to see another star wars film with yoda and a group of ass kicking jedi's. ATOC a fun movie and its the little things & attention to detail that made it so good. *Sigh* one more to go....

  • May 18, 2002, 9:43 p.m. CST

    slobrow - he wasn't syfo dyas

    by Reverend Rotund

    I had the same thought though. According to the official website and the the epI dic. he was Yareal Poof, and he is a different race. Maybe Lucas will choose to not make this canon? Go here to read. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yaraelpoof/index.html

  • May 18, 2002, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Darth Vader never knew he *had* children!

    by JTylor

    That's the only explanation I can think of for why Vader never investigates Tatooine. Think about it: Vader learns about Leia being his daughter for the *first time* in Jedi, when Luke hides underneath the fallen catwalk: "Sister...? Your thoughts betray you..."

  • May 18, 2002, 9:50 p.m. CST

    AOTC RULES!...But

    by ronnyron2000

    The light sabre duels in TPM were better. Can't wait for Obi-Wan V Anakin in EpIII. SPIDEY will also be cool (doesn't open in Oz til June 6), but all the comparisons are stupid, SPIDEY is the first in it's franchise, AOTC is the 5th STAR WARS film. Compare SPIDEY 5 to it, not now... FanboyRon.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:50 p.m. CST

    AOTC RULES!...But

    by ronnyron2000

    The light sabre duels in TPM were better. Can't wait for Obi-Wan V Anakin in EpIII. SPIDEY will also be cool (doesn't open in Oz til June 6), but all the comparisons are stupid, SPIDEY is the first in it's franchise, AOTC is the 5th STAR WARS film. Compare SPIDEY 5 to it, not now... FanboyRon.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Two Plot Holes as pertaining to Ep. 4

    by sbisaacs

    First, a young Owen already lives with C-3PO. Yet he doesn't recognize 3PO or R2 (whom he meets in Clones) when he buys them from the Jawas in Episode 4. Also, looks to me like Obi-Wan Kenobi's spent a lot of time with both droids in Eps 1 and 2. Yet he doesn't remember them as an old man in Ep. 4. And why wouldn't the droids remember either guy? Minutae, but hey, continuity is a must when doing prequels.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Kewl!

    by Cap'n Chaos!

    I got props! Yeah! Hey, just a question... since, as I pointed out, there was an alien that at least LOOKED like a Kaminoan on the Jedi Council in Menace, how could they be a rip-off of the robots from the end of A.I. which came out a full two years later? Personally, I think they looked very, very cool. As for why they didn't question Ben Kenobi's lack of knowledge, why would they? As far as they know, the order was sent by the Jedi and certainly wasn't illegal in any way. They may have been slightly confused, but since they've been paid, what do they care? Also, I personally liked the diner scene as a sort of love letter to American Graffiti, the one that let him make the original film. Plus it fits in my theory that the prequels are really a deconstruction of the American government's actions during the Korean War and how it lead to Vietnam. ;) *heh heh*

  • May 18, 2002, 9:53 p.m. CST

    garbage

    by PUNY HUMANS

    I now know why it's called Attack of the Clones. It's because it's a clone of every other movie ever made. What an utter piece of unwatchable crap.The romance almost killed me, did'nt buy it for a second.George Lucas is an ivory tower, out of touch hack.Spider-man will out gross it, just accept it fanboys. I thought there was a bomb scare in the theater it was so empty. As i read different boxoffice forums, i see Lucas cultist grasping at straws as to why Spider-man blew it away. I still laugh thinking about the idiot fanboys in 1999 who tried to get a grass roots effort going to get episode 1 to outgross Titanic and fell 170 mil short!!!!!!!! This movie will not gross over 330 mil,a big letdown for a StarWars movie. The partys over, idiot fanboys.

  • May 18, 2002, 9:56 p.m. CST

    RE: Darth Never Knew He Had Children?...

    by ronnyron2000

    That means that Obi-Wan lied to Luke in "Hope" when he said that his father wanted him to have his light sabre when he was old enough? Hmmm, all will be revealed in EpIII i guess. Ronny, Gold Coast, Australia.

  • First things first--In my first post on this page, I explained how I went into AOTC--I went in with medium expectations--I didn't expect much due to the debacle that was The Phantom Menace. In AOTC, I got goosebumps when the famous Star Wars theme hit...I was ecstatic when the classic Star Wars vertical scrolling text started. I WANTED to like the movie--I don't spend $8 to go pick apart a movie. I spend $8 to enjoy myself. Second--I NEVER said that people started chanting 'boring' or booed when Hayden had a line. I said that people laughed (aka giggled, snickered, chuckled, etc.) at the ridiculous ones. I can't stand people who yell smartass remarks at the screen during films--people go to movies to enjoy themselves, and when "punks" (as you call them, and I agree) do that, it infuriates me. Third--I understand it's a fairytale. I wrote that I understood there should be unrealistic parts, I just felt that the fact she died right when he got there (after a month of hanging on) was a bit too farfetched, even for a Star Wars movie. That's my opinion--I understand you don't agree with it. Fourth--I still stand by my statement that I am a Star Wars fan. I'm not a geek about it--I don't have toys, posters, books, etc., but I own the original trilogy on tape and even Episode 1 on DVD. I watch the first three at least 3 or 4 times a year. Finally, your argument on it's box office take is ridiculous. Even though I have to commend it for bringing in almost as much as Spiderman (on 1500 screens, no less), that doesn't hide the fact that it is a poorly acted, written, and executed movie. Here's some facts right off the IMDB Top 250 grossing films of all time--The Phantom Menace brought in just over 431 million dollars. Titanic brought in 600 million. How the Grinch Stole Christmas brought in over 260 million. Schindler's List, on the other hand, is not even on the list, meaning movies such as Mission Impossible 2, the new Planet of the Apes, Runaway Bride, Tomb Raider, and other bad films made much more. Pearl Harbor made just under 200 million, for God's sake. Does that mean they are all better movies? NO. Not by a long shot. That is concrete proof that box office earnings in today's age mean absolutely NOTHING. Your comment about critics--I hate film critics--I have nor ever had any urge to be one. How can you like most film critics when they give garbage like Tomb Raider good reviews and The Phantom Menace 3 and a half stars (Ebert)? Or rate Goodfellas a D? (Entertainment Weekly) Regardless, I didn't like this film. I still consider myself a Star Wars fan. If you don't consider me one, well, then YOU don't consider me one. If it means I won't have to sit through the first two hours of this movie again, then I'll be glad to be removed of the moniker "Star Wars fan."

  • May 18, 2002, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Saw it twice

    by hornspe

    in one day. I haven't done this for years. The movie was a triumph in that Yoda is the best character in the film, and he isn't *real*. Additionally, Yoda's generalship of the *stormtroopers* as that is exactly what they are was creepy as shit. The truly irritating thing about Star Wars has always been that it isn't *perfect* and it could be so easily. You would have only to change five things. 1) Replace the Ewoks with Wookies (and include some pathos about Chewy no longer fitting in). 2) Have Ira direct 'em all. 3) Lose Jar Jar's idiotic steppin-fetchit routine (you can keep Jar Jar, just lose the physical comic element). 4) Cast Haley Joel Osment as Anakin in TPM (is it true he was Lucas' second choice? If so, *is he blind and deaf*). Get someone (just one person, not a committee) good to give *all* dialogue a final edit. That's all that would be needed, and done at the proper time, it would have been very damn little.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Two Questions for yall........

    by Floydof73

    One-Is it just me, or was anyone else really dissapointed that alot of the battle scene at the end was entirely scored by music already recorded for TPM? This isnt TV here folks... Two-The only real dissapointment for me was the final scenes. Can someone please tell me, with all these clones gearing up and heading out on Star Destroyers Version 1.0, exactly where the hell are they going? When I saw that stuff in the trailer, I would never have guessed they were from the closing sequences.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:09 p.m. CST

    hey jirkoffs, I never said I started the booing the theatre (tha

    by metsrulein2k

    lets face it, the movie sux either way, but I didnt start the booing or give any smart-ass comments, at least not until other people got into it, My god what a bad movie

  • May 18, 2002, 10:22 p.m. CST

    "Not a Star Wars Fan?"

    by Bollux

    Sometimes when I read posts by people who accuse others of 'not being a fan of Star Wars" I wonder if "being a Star Wars fan" means one has to pledge to LOVE every novel, comic book, radio adaptation, movie and god knows what else that bears the name "Star Wars". I didn't think it meant I had to give up having a taste for a quality product.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:26 p.m. CST

    My favorite phrase to watch for in a TalkBack:

    by majorq007

    "Let's face it." Cause you know the poster is just about to reveal an Ultimate Truth about the film in question that's Indisputable. As if films weren't at all subjective experiences that really have no absolutes outside of the factual occurance. Please. I'm not asking that everyone agree about the quality of a film--far from it. But the whole speaking-as-if-your-opinion-is-objectively-correct angle is WAY played out. Add in a gallon of arrogance, unfunny 'witticisms,'and references to the sexual orientation of hobbits/jedi/fanboys, and Viola! The TalkBack lives. Oh, and Yoda fighting Count Dooku? Sheyah! Best scene in the film.

  • May 18, 2002, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Not a Star Wars fan...

    by Flagg

    and proud of it, why would anyone wanna be associated with a bunch of nerds creaming their panties over a big fat fucks giant failure? And Im not talking about the REAL Star wars fans out there, im talking about the people like Harry "the child eating blob" Knowles who I like to call Star Whores. The mouthbreathing nosepickers that journey out of their mothers basements every 3 years to feast on George Lucas's giant turd, only to lick their fingers clean and call it mmm mmm good.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:03 p.m. CST

    I have a question...

    by PAPERCUTS

    First of all, I've seen it twice and can honestly say I have never seen a movie like this before!! It is visually so huge in scale that I can't believe anyone could walk away from it without saying "wow!!!" Something I noticed was even the things that were not CGI looked kind of...CGI-ish. And I think that's really cool because they don't stick out like a sore thumb from the CGI (and vise versa.) Everything on the screen has a sort of created/manipulated look to it that gives the film such a great SCI-FI feel. Totally awesome!! I really loved the docu-Viet Namm-ish zoom-in on the copter-like Airships in the final battle. Very cool!!. Also, I had no problem with any of the acting, and I really loved Anakin's "I slaughtered them all like animals" scene. And I thought the whole "Chess Game of Power" thing was so well done- so beyond any Star Wars film to date. Props to your review, Harry. I also bought the "romance" thing hook, line, and sinker. My only question is this- and it's nagging at me. I completely understand the plot, the "Chess Moves" per say, etc. What I don't understand is why did Count Dooku reveal (his Master) Darth Sidius' control of the Senate? Did he think it didn't matter if he used it to gain Obi Wan's allegience since was going to die anyway? But why call attention to it at all? Any ideas? Woo Hoo! Loved it!! Talk to ya.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:06 p.m. CST

    AOTC was great, but critics, get the "sand" line right

    by MaximUltra

    Okay, first off, the infamous "sand" line is: "Sand is coarse, etc. Not like HERE." He doesn't say, "Not like YOU," that doesn't make any sense. Yes, he means it as a compliment to her, but he's complimenting her home at the same time. Now, the BEST line in the whole movie was by Obi-Wan: "R4, send a message to Coruscant care of the old folks' home." Brilliant! It was hard to catch over all the rain, but sure enough, that's the line! I loved this movie. I expected worse with all the whining of the critics, who were just wrapped up in hoping that Han Solo and Luke Skywalker were going to show up. People have to understand that these movies are not the OT and they're not trying to be. Lucas is just trying to tell the story and people have to accept it. Also, the three Prequels are really one big film, moreso than the OT. In response to Harry's review (which I thought was great), I think Anakin's story is more important than Harry thinks. Anakin is the tool that Palpatine will use to bring about the Fall of the Republic. THAT'S why Palpatine suggests that Kenobi protect Padme, because he KNOWS that Anakin will be there and he knows how Anakin lusts for her and how that lust will help him along to the Dark Side. He knows the power that Anakin posseses and he wants it for himself. The most telling piece of dialogue in the WHOLE MOVIE comes when Anakin meets with Palpatine and he says to the Chancellor: "YOUR guidance more than my patience" has led to his solo assignment. Palpatine has been working on this kid for TEN YEARS! Grooming him to be his apprentice. I also had the belief that Palpatine and Sidious were clone and original respectively, but after seeing EP2 I believe that they are, for sure, one and the same. The only people who really KNOW Sidious are Dooku (Tyrannus) and Darth Maul. The Trade Federation guys have seen him in a hologram, but are dumb and can't put 2 and 2 together. He's totally playing both sides, and I love it. I'm glad that he's being kept in the background until EP3. I think the final straw for Yoda will come in a battle with Sidious when he reveals himself. Did you see how hard Yoda was breathing in that battle? Also, Dooku will fall at the hands of Anakin Skywalker. Overall, Episode 2 is not a perfect film, but it is a great movie and a fantastic setup to the grand finale in Episode 3.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Polarized your reactions are...

    by GordonCOLE

    Isn't it OK to have an opinion fall somewhere in the middle without having to hear bs like "you're not a true fan" or "you're a Lucas whore" etc. etc. AOTC is far better than TPM, but it is still very much flawed. It's not awful and it's not better than 4 or 5. People, you need to be reasonable. Everyone keeps mentioning the acting. I don't envy the actors' tasks because Lucas' method of digital filmmaking isn't ideal for actors. Mixing in "real" people (ie. the Padme/Clone Trooper scene everyone keeps mentioning) is not a bad idea George. There is this thing called "chemistry". The characters are more to blame than the actors. All are very stoic and similar. In the OT, the characters had personality...in these first two, the Jedi are all very similar, Padme is also very reserved because of her status as a Queen and then Senator, and the remaining characters are either a)mysterious (and usually of few words) like Jango b) a politician or diplomat who chooses their words very neatly c) horribly irratating comic relief aimed at kids' tastes like Jar Jar or Watto or d) strictly there to advance the plot with some sort of over-wordy bit of information. Those choices don't allow for much charisma. Where is the Han? Where is the Chewie? Hell, even a Lando? The so called "acting"/dialogue/writing problem is Lucas' fault, not Portman's or Christensen's or McGregor's. Get off the actors...there should have been some serious re-writing and some better character direction. But it seems fairly clear that Lucas doesn't really care about acting or even his own characters as long as they deliver the information in the dialogue and adequately fulfill their action scenes. Outside of that, the actors aren't really given the opportunity to just have fun with their characters. Try to think of ONE moment in E1 or E2 where there is an exchange that rivals the Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie deathstar scenes. There aren't any...because the dialogue scenes are strictly utilitarian. There are many things I enjoyed in AOTC, but there are a number of flaws. I still can't figure out why Padme would fall for a crazy, Tusken family slaughtering, stalker Jedi? There is nothing remotely believable about their love. Apparently all it takes to fall in love is a tumble in the grass and a couple of insipid conversations. I think this is George's way of instilling hope in all of the fanboy geeks out there. Sure there's more flaws than that, but nothing that hasn't been said before... And it could've been one notch higher in my eyes if Padme had simply said "shut up Jar Jar" instead of cutting him off diplomatically and sending him on to his work. That would've rivaled Yoda's ass whooping fight scene... RRRRRrrraaaaaawwwrrr RRRrraaarr, ChewBECKa out.

  • May 18, 2002, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Hey, MetsRule...

    by Kikstad

    You're a Mets fan. I can't accept anything you say without laughing. You're opinion is almost as pointless as a Red Sox fan's. See you in October, non-believer. Seriously, I'm busting your chops. Look, no movie in the history of the earth will ever please everyone. But I enjoyed Attack of the Clones. Those of you who didn't, sorry to hear it. Move on with your lives. No need to hop on message boards and commit suicide or convert the masses because you think Lucas is a whore and Star Wars sucks. Don't go see anymore of his movies and just ignore Star Wars. It's that simple. Let those of us who dig it enjoy it in peace. Later. GO YANKEEEES! (actually, I hope the Red Sox are in first place in August and then there's a baseball strike -- LONG LIVE THE CURSE OF THE BAMBINO!!)

  • May 18, 2002, 11:41 p.m. CST

    idea

    by alcester

    ok its obvious old George cant make a good movie anymore, but he could make a short STAR WARS movie in the IMAX format, it would really be neat to see and hear what ILM could do. but i know its just wishful thinking....

  • May 19, 2002, 12:10 a.m. CST

    like it or not...

    by majorq007

    ...everyone's got a right to an opinion. however, whether you liked AOTC or not, most SW fans OUTSIDE this site seem to have enjoyed it quite a bit. so i really don't think the list of SW fans have gotten shorter.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Well said, OrionsAngel...

    by majorq007

    ...EXACTLY how i feel about Episode II, as well.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I have a question....

    by OverMuch

    ...if a "metaclorian count" (sp?) of a person's blood determines how well one senses the force, wouldn't hacking a jedi's arm off signifigantly lower his force ability? And how would blood transfusions affect people's force abilities? I sense a plot hole in the force, Luke.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:23 a.m. CST

    It's all starting to come together

    by Al2913

    I'd say that Harry's review hits on most cylanders, and is an accurate portrayal of how I and most of my friends felt coming out of AOTC; one sentence from his earlier review stuck in my mind: "This movie makes Episode I better." I am not a Jar Jar apologist; frankly I was hoping to see a lynching in this episode, but after seeing the film, I can accept the bitter pill that was Episode I. The parallels derived between what is in AOTC and the original trilogy honestly put a smile on my face, while sending shivers down my spine. I didn't mind the dialogue; it's Star Wars, not Shakespeare. The scene with the clone troopers departing on what are certainly supposed to be early editions of the Star Destroyers with the zoom in on Palpatine looking stoic as the onset of the Empire loom ever so near, just make me happy in where the story; the whole Star Wars story is going, and just how completed we will feel after seeing the final chapter.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Overmuch:

    by majorq007

    It's probably measured in a parts-per-million sorta way. Ida know, seems like saying that if you lose your legs, you lose some of your vaccinations. But maybe I'm wrong. Though I'm perfectly content with following Episode II's lead, and never EVER mentioning midichlorians. Ever. Again.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:24 a.m. CST

    we already know the ending

    by dogfish112

  • May 19, 2002, 12:25 a.m. CST

    or DID they mention them?

    by majorq007

    now i forget. guess i should get out and go see it for a third time. hehehehe!

  • May 19, 2002, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Thank you George....

    by BatVomit

    ....for restoring my faith in the Star Wars saga. I will have to see Attack of the Clones once or twice more before I will allow myself to form a solid opinion of it, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. INFINITELY better than Episode I. I especially loved the arena battle with the giant creatures because it was so totally Harryhausen-esque. And Annakin getting his hand cut off by Count Dooku...The whole sins of the father symbolism there. I really enjoyed Attack of the Clones. Aside from a few really horrible puns from C3P0, it was a great flick. Still not as good as Empire Strikes Back though. Can't wait to see it again!

  • May 19, 2002, 12:28 a.m. CST

    AotC may have answered the "no disappearance" of Qui gon thing S

    by pajamo12

    A buddy of mine noticed this... I the bgi Gladiator scene Lcas clearly show dead Jedis al over the place. Like Qui Gon no disappearnce. I beleive it has to do with Anakin's rant about being all powerful, "One day I will find a way to even stop death" or something to that effect. It'd be interesting if Anakin comes up with the disappearnce thing but can no longer do it in RotJ b/c "he's more machine than man." Just a guess but I think that be WAY cool.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:36 a.m. CST

    we already know the ending..

    by dogfish112

    Maybe thats the main fault of having a prequel trilogy instead of a sequel trilogy. Part of the reason that you had no tension during the asteriod field chase or the end battle is that you already know that yoda, obi-wan, anakin, padme, 3PO, R2 and others survive this trilogy. Maybe the arena scene would have felt more foreboding without that prior knowledge. So why are you surprised that there isn't as much desperation. The republic is the biggy in this movie the villans don't yet have as much power they are the underdogs. In the classic trilogy the EMPIRE rules and the Rebellion is the underdogs. I've enjoyed every star wars movie for different reasons. I have to agree that this was a very entertaining movie. This trilogy WILL be remembered and revered by all the children that have been witness to it just like the orginal trilogy was for us. I mean I love empire now but when I was a kid it was ANH and RJ. Those movies had more action. Dagobah and the falcon in the cave(I love these scenes now) used to bore me to tears. Kids love this shit and who can blame them. It is sad that you can't enjoy this film based on its own merits. I respect negative opinions but I don't understand the vehmenance of some of them. Its a movie for Christs sakes. I mean I'd be more upset with the assholes who voted in George W than a friggin movie. There are movies that I didn't particularly enjoy too but I don't hate the directors everyone who liked them. George Lucas can make what ever movie he wants (I agree that Mccallum is an arrogant yes-man but he wants to keep his job with the biggest $$$ franchise in history)

  • May 19, 2002, 12:50 a.m. CST

    movies that suck

    by TreborSux

    What exactly is it that makes these 25-35 year old children who don't get EXACTLY what they want from "their" movie pout and stamp their feet so violently if there are even 2-3 small details they don't like (and on that note, doesn't GL own it in the first place? It's his toy. He could make Jawa porn if he felt like it.)? Are they so fixated upon having some sort of religious or meditative experience (like when they were 6-12 years old?)that being distracted for 2 seconds by something like a bad C-3PO pun pulls them out of their altered state? What's with this childish behavior? Are you all mad about being dragged off the internet and having to emerge from your cave (also known as Mom's basement) for 3 hours and not be somehow annointed or enlightened?. I almost didn't see AOTC opening weekend because ALL of my coworkers told me how stupid it was (If it was as horrible as described, I was going to wait for the crowds to go down) THe only thing that made me go was when I asked them SPECIFICALLY what it was that they didn't like, and I discovered that NONE of them had even seen it! They were just regurgitating reviews and posts they had read, which had made up their minds for them. What is worse? Being one of the sheep who shells out 8$ to see a movie just because a title or director is associated with it, or being one of the sheep who simply repeat what they see hear and read without putting any of their own thoughts into it? By the way, I saw AOTC Friday and really enjoyed it. In fact, I enjoyed it enough to see it again on Saturday, and I absolutely LOVED it. In the most "simple" of scenes (I won't give spoilers), the most dastardly and complex ideas are laid out, and because you have to FIND them with your own eyes, it makes it all the more fun. I feel bad for the people I work with who aren't going to see it. But some people are determined to let the opinion of others determine their action. Maybe life is easier that way.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:55 a.m. CST

    slaughtered lamb

    by dogfish112

    I understand what your saying but you have to realize that to be a real LOTR fan or Matrix fan or Spiderman fan you must hate everything starwars. There is no room for love of all 4 (although i found spider-man a little silly and kinda unexciting) Spider-man fans are all unanimous that because it made so much money that it is the best super-hero film ever made. I mean come on everyone who is a fan of any big blockbuster feels that their movie is the best thing since flush toilets. I really enjoyed AOTC, fellowship of the ring and the matrix. Each had its high points and its low points. I love star wars and am kinda sad that its almost over. That doesn' mean that I have to hate every other franchise film that comes out. I don't have to attack every movie because its got CGI in it. I like that I can go to movies and have a good time (even spider-man was fun) without baggage weighing me down. I've said it before and I'll say it again these are movies we are talking about. Everybody is entertained by different stories and different characters. We really can all just get along and try not to attack each others opinions with such anger.

  • May 19, 2002, 12:59 a.m. CST

    The Bitterness and Disappointment...

    by RevZaius

    I left the theatre yesterday actually really liking a new Star Wars movie for the first time in about 22 years. AotC isn't high art, but let's be honest, none of the Star Wars flicks ever were... I'd say AotC is in roughly the same league as the first two movies, and it's a helluva lot better than either ROTJ or TPM...

  • May 19, 2002, 1:04 a.m. CST

    How can you not like this movie?

    by kxmode1

    Other than the trailers, I stayed away from all the spoilers. I went into the theater with no expectations. I was COMPLETELY blow away by how utterly awesome this film was! It has so many layers to it. And only after seeing a few times will you start to see them. For example (SPOILER) the scenes where Palpatine pleads with Padme to accept Jedi protection remains me that this is ALL part of Darth Sidious' grand plan. And until it was mention it didn't even dawn on me that getting Padme out of the way was the main goal of Palpatine/Sidious. Additional putting Jar Jar in the position of being a pawn seemed perfect. And I didn't even catch the enormous holographic Death Star model, in the scene where Dooku and that Insect lord and the others where gathered in that room viewing the on-going battle. The Insect lord tells Dooku they are going into underground caverns and then downloads the plans into that datapad, and then Dooku clicks the button the reveal a smaller version of the Death Star.(/SPOILER) The love scenes worked for me. Yeah, some of it was campy, but then I remember some of the dialog between Han and Leia as they started to fall in love was a tad campy too. And the scenes where Anakin starts showing signs of his fall into darkness where chilling and cool. (SPOILER) Like the scene after his mother dies. He totally snaps. You can see the complete rage in his face. And in the later scenes where he's telling Padme about how he killed all of them including the women and children, and those words "I HATE THEM" with a tear running down his face. I mean goddamn! That's some powerful shit. I NEVER saw ANY Jedis in any of the films do that!(/SPOILER) Most of this stuff happens in the first portion of the movie. The part that most people say sucked and was totally lame and waste money. Open your friggin' eyes and ears. Watch and listen. The movie has a story, you just need to see it a few times to take it all in. (SPOILER) Here are some of the most memorial scenes for me. 1. Yoda. Holy shit did that rock! That's the one thing everyone will remember the most about AOTC. 2. The scene where Boba is leaning down and holding his father's helmet. 3. Anakin's rage after mother's death and talking to Padme about it. 4. OB1 telling Anakin "You'll be the death of me." 5. The Jedi battle scenes in the arena. 6. The Clone army attacking the droid army. 7. That friggin sonic bomb in the asteroid field. The sound it makes is AWESOME! 8. The Kamino aliens. They look very alien, very cool. Although I wish they had their own language. (SPOILER) Awesome flick. Truly awesome. Seen it twice. Will see it again Sunday. :)

  • May 19, 2002, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Ep II

    by hmrags

    ob1 saves the film for me. his humor & competence are the only really "believable" characteristics of any of the human actors in the movie. the love story is just bad. sorry, harry, i don't care how "innocent" your lovers are, the garbage they spout should still reflect a live, thinking person behind the words. i don't see padme ever showing any spark at all, tho' i agree that anakin is all about it. i did like anakin's "sinister" side. i think the hayden bashers are just jealous (and the lucas bashers, too, come to think of it). so, it's a good star wars movie. and what's with those people saying you can't be a fan if you don't like aotc? sounds like dangerous thinking to me.

  • May 19, 2002, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Yay!

    by Purple Toupee

    I liked it. The best part was the fight between Miss Piggy and Saruman.

  • May 19, 2002, 1:16 a.m. CST

    If you doubt Hayden...

    by kxmode1

    Go see Life As A House. See how great an actor he is. On one of the behind the scenes of the Life of a House DVD he says how his role in Star Wars was confined to a specific direction, but on Life As A House the director allowed him to be spontaneous, to develop his character, even offering improv-acting.

  • May 19, 2002, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Definate Flaws

    by Maximus21

    I liked parts of the movie, but it's overall mediocre. Dialogue, Acting, and Editing is horrible at times. The Love Story is lame. I agree with the poster that said the Aragorn-Arwen 2 minute scene on the bridge has more emotion and believability as a love story than the 30 minutes in Attack of the Clones. Love scenes can be accomplished without the clunkiest pickup lines ever heard. And the Gladiator battle was way overdone. Add to that C-3P0's terrible one-liners. The only reason I tolerated the movie because it has some great fx and cool Star Wars tidbits (Death Star, Fetts, etc) I honestly can't disagree with the people who are bashing the film, I was disappointed myself.

  • May 19, 2002, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Dune

    by Purple Toupee

    Did anyone else catch the Dune reference? Something about Spice miners? Email me if you did.

  • May 19, 2002, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Awesome

    by lanfisher

    I don't care what anyone says, Clones ROCKED! Reasons: 1. Ewen MacGregor is flawless as Obi-Wan. I can't imagine anyone else doing a better job. 2. Hayden Christiansen was an excellent choice for the role. Lucas was right when he said that Hayden had the brooding power to carry it off. 3. It was darker, and less of a kids movie than Phantom Menace. The fact that Anakin slaughtered a whole camp of Tusken Raiders (including their women and children) is the best example of this. 4. The quality and quantity of the CG F/X was staggering. Even Yoda looked believable in his big light sabre duel. I certainly didn't expect that. I have a whole new respect for his character now. 5. We're starting to see the past shaping up. Young uncle Own and aunt Beru -- too cool. Unlike many of the cynics who call themselves Star Wars fans, I liked Phantom Menace. I thought it was a great movie. Much to my suprise, Clones was about five times better. Much more action and a much higher pace. I can hardly wait to see Episode III. In the mean time, I will be going back to see Clones at least 2 more times. Lucas is a genius. Lan

  • May 19, 2002, 1:26 a.m. CST

    thatsfdup

    by holoholojoe

    that no matter what GL does, he cannot make EVERY FAN happy. so he goes along and make his OWN DAMN movie. ----------------------------------AOTC has to be either my favorite or 2nd favorite of all the SW movies. it's got everything. I was elated after the showing and can't keep thinking about the plot of the movie and how it fits into the entire 6 part serial. I don't understand how folks say EP4-6 are better than ep1-2 when essentially, GL is treating every movie basically the same way. it was meant to be a fun and exciting popcorn movie serial, that's IT! Nothing more, nothing less. I don't think he wants us to sit at home after a viewing of his movie and try to figure out what the meaning of life is. It one chose to do this, it's NOT GL's fault. If one wants to dissect every single frame of his movies and find faults in it, that's not his fault either. if you don't like his movies,you don't have to watch it nor does he need your money. Let's be frank here, it is clear GL doesn't need any more $$$ as many unhappy fan seems to suggest that he's only after marketing tie-ins. I am quite sure he has enough money stashed away for his great-great-grandkids. Even if he doesn't make a dime from SW, he's still got ILM and his other revenue sources, so this snipe about him wanting to make a SW movies simply for marketing tie-in is unfounded, anyway, i digress. EVERY SW movies had crappy lines and wooden dialogs. Aside from Harrison Ford, can you really name another BIG NAME actor/actress that came out of SW EP4-6, or can you even name the actors/actress that was in EP4-6 that still make big budget movies? so gimme a break about the acting that is in AOTC. In each SW movies, the action and storyline was ALWAYs more important than the acting, not the other way around! GL planned it that way, i think AOTC was right on par with any SW movies. everyone acted according to their characters. but i guess what a lot of unhappy fans seems to want is a JOKER or a GG type of performances. i.e. over the top type. And these performances are much easier to get than the subdued type. anyway, no matter what anyone write here or anywhere else, if you choose to see the acting that way, then no one is gonna change your view.-------------------------------- We saw it on a DLP, None of us saw the pixalation that's been mentioned, but all of us saw how vibrant the colors were and how sharp everything was. i didn't understand all the critism about how "CGI" everything look, frankly, sometimes, i couldn't tell when certain things were CGI or not, i was too caught up in the story and the visuals to try to figure out if it was real or CGI. I think the story told on AOTC is actually the best out of all the SWs. it was complex but understandable. most of the AOTC plot holes that's on the this talkback is no bigger than plot holes on the rest of the SW 4-6 movies. i guess our memories has a way of forgetting the old plot holes but not the new ones. ----------------anyway, my friends and i will be donating more money to GL so he can hurry up and finish EPIII, none of us can wait to see how the entire storyline transpires. ---------------------------------------and whatever your view of AOTC is, there's one thing to remember, it's a great time to be movie fan and we got 2 years worth of this.

  • May 19, 2002, 1:34 a.m. CST

    RE: thatsfdup

    by kxmode1

    No kidding. Matrix sequals. LOTR sequals. X-men sequal. The Hulk. Dare Devil. Indy 4. Tron 2. Akira (live motion). and of course Star Wars III! woohoo :)

  • May 19, 2002, 1:42 a.m. CST

    The Cave

    by lanfisher

    One more thing... I really hope that Episode III will explain what the deal is with "The Cave" on Degobah, and why the dark side of the force is so strong there. Perhaps Count Dooku follows Yoda to Degobah, and Yoda kills him in the cave. It's gotta be some sort of sith haunting ground. Any explanation would be good. It's just something I've always wondered about since seeing Empire. Lan

  • May 19, 2002, 1:50 a.m. CST

    A Different Viewpoint

    by AltVoiceOne

    After reading Harry's final review of ATTACK OF THE CLONES, I find it curious that it is that very review that refutes the very praise he heaps on the film. ATTACK is a rousing adventure flick, and those thrilling last 30 minutes elevate it above its previous uneven two hours. In fact. I plan to see it again. But Harry, who clearly loves this movie so very much, has missed the boat by EXPLAINING EVERY SINGLE POINT IN THE MOVIE as a way of convincing us that ATTACK is not the narrative mess it is in reality. It's as if Harry hopes that by schooling us on what happened that we'll say "Ahhhhhhh, NOW I get it and it really IS good!" That would be forgivable if we were talking about one or two plot points or a couple of fuzzy characters. But Harry has to explain the ENTIRE movie. Now, mind you, ATTACK isn't a bad movie by any stretch. It is actually quite good in many respects, with a story that really is pretty easy in outline. But it is the execution of that script that leaves what should have been fairly staightforwward and turned the narrative of the film into nearly incoherent sludge. and no "expalining" everything post-credits changes this fatal flaw after the fact. And, yes, the dialogue IS awful. If drowning in cliches is not enough overkill, pedantic and obvious civics quotes ("The day we stop believing in democracy is the day we lose it" or something to that effect) are only offset by the kind of overwrought romantic banter better left to tv's Dexter's Laboratory. With relatively rare exception, the most of the intended humor is NOT funny. In fact, it's all so very obvious that much of it comes across more like a 19070's Quinn Martin production. Lucas had a good thing going with the original Star Wars (Episode II: A New Hope) and even better with The Empire Strikes Back, but with Return of the Jedi the ever greedy opportunist cashed in on nighttime soap opera cliffhanger mania at the time (think Dallas/Dynasty/Falcon Crest/et al) and irreparably damaged his story of Luke Skywalker and the Rebellion by needlessly making Luke & Lea brother & sister and destroying Darth Vader aka Anakin Skywalker by making him their remorseful father. By doing so, Lucas screwed up his original 9-part saga (there is nowhere to go in the narrative after The Return of the Jedi) and had to make Episodes 1-3 about the rise & conversion of Anakin into Darth Vader in order to restore that character's viability and do something to save his original vision about the Fall of the Republic, the Rise of the empire, and the Triumph of the Rebellion, the original vision of the trilogy to which Harry refers. Because of this grave miscalculation in the narrative, the Phantom Menace turned out to be close to an incoherent mess (although one with a $900 million worldwide gross). ATTACK promised to the equivalent of the Empire Strikes Back. With its characters and basic plot introduced in Episode 1, Attack had the opportunity to take the story and run with it. Unfortunately, it runs with it in the wrong direction. There is MUCH to like about ATTACK, although much of it falls far short of the critical praise that its been given to its specifics so far. Seeing the movie digitally projected, it truly is a sight to behold. The attention to detail is stunning. The digitally created sets are wonderful eye candy. Even the aliens take on a kind of life heretofore unseen in many a film. But not all of the digital magic works magically; some of it is painfully and at times embarrassingly obvious, such as when Amidala & Anakin are "riding" digitally created creatures or when certain digital recreations of real actors are shown doing something in a medium shot like jumping off a hover-scooter. That kind of special effects schizophrenia exists throughout the film, including a what-should-have-been a showstopping rendering of the water planet Geonosis that looks like a Fox Kids tv special, while the Geonosians themselves are a wonderful sight to behold. And as much as I LOVED the fight between Dooku & Yoda, seeing the OBVIOUS digital placement of Christopher Lee's head on a stunt double as they fought was disappointing and distracting. And let's not even begin to talk about the digital food in the breakfast scene betwen Amidala and Anakin. Far too many elements are also "borrowed" from other movies, from the fabulous chase scene through the air of Courscant (was I the only person instantly transported back to Luc Besson's The Fifth Element and the earlier Blade Runner)? to an arena fight lifted from "Gladiator." Oh and those plot holes and misfires that are as wide as asteroids. HOW did Amidala know where Dooku was going after she was found by one of the clones? A number of the films problems seem more like a function of miscalculated editing between settings & plots than anything else. There is one such circumstance which happens about the third of the way through the film that makes an awkward cut from a heavy emotional scene directly into what should have been a rousing fight between Obi-Wan & Jango on Geonosis that ultimately feels flat and unemotional. Speaking of flat and unemotional, that leaves the acting. Portman, who was unfairly criticized in Phantom Menace, acts as if she swallowed a bottle of past-expiration date Sominex. Samuel L. Jackson is clearly jazzed by what he is doing, but it barely radiates on the screen until he, unexpectedly, shifts into "Shaft" mode during the movie's finale...and it's still not entirely clear if that's a good thing. Jimmy Smits (whose character has a name but you'd never know it) gets in a few silly lines with an earnestness that borders on the ridiculous. And poor Christensen, as the film's center, is so horrible as Anakin that I thought I was watching a young version of Woody from Cheers. There are moments when one can sense a flicker of acting ability (when tragedy hits, we FINALLY see something that rings true), but whoever thought that the "Dude, you're gettin' a Dell" guy would become Darth Vader? To the actor's defense, most of this is the fault of wooden direction and some truly awful dialogue, but then that's where you see where the wheat is separated form the chaff. On the wheat side, Ewan McGregor is delightfully good as Obi-Wan Kenobi, giving us a solid performance that presages the late Sir Alec Guinness from the original trilogy. Ian McDiarmid does an impressive yet underappreciated turn as Chancellor Palpatine/Darth Sidious, echoing Ian Richardson's fabulously nasty Prime Minister "Francis Urquart" from Masterpiece Theater's House of Cards series. Temuera Morrison & Daniel Logan as Jango & a young Boba Fett are terrific. And, in the film's greatest performance, Christopher Lee through sheer intensity and will creates, in my opinion, as great a villain as Darth Vader. AS GREAT A VILLIAN AS DARTH VADER. All of them valiantly fight a deadly script and deadlier dialogue in which little makes any real sense and they manage to come up winners. ATTACK OF THE CLONES is a much better film than Phantom and, actually, by the end credits, a thrilling, entertaining joy ride. But there isn't much beneath the surface here. Lucas uses the thinnest of premises basically to show off his latest special effects magic; some would say that that's what these movies are all about. The last 30 minutes alone with its arena battle, speeder chase (complete with a music riff from The wizard of Oz for those with sharp ears), and the most spectacular special effects battle ever seen on film, make the previous two hours worth the wait. But such thinking, particularly by Lucas himself, undermines the mythology that fans have imbued the Star Wars phenomenon since Episode IV, although many will forgive this film its many inherent flaws. Will it matter? Of course not. But it should.

  • May 19, 2002, 1:51 a.m. CST

    I went in to the movie with the lowest expectations and...

    by Butch_McTavish

    ... came away liking the movie. I was OK, pretty good, but truthfully, I wish I had enjoyed it more. I was smitten with glee when I saw Spider-man or the incredible Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring movies, both of which are superior in my humble opinion. Certainly, there was eye candy to see with Attack of the Clones. Certainly, it had it's wondrous moments. Taken as a whole, however, the story lacked any real sense of pace or drama or conviction. The acting was lifeless, but I don't know if that's the fault of the actors or their trite and stilted dialogue. To tell you the truth, I thought Yoda was the best character, and he's CGI. What does that say about the lead actors? ******* Maybe George should step aside and hand some one else the reigns. Just a thought. Also, the whole look of the movie was fuzzy, like I was watching it through a patch of gauze. Is that because of the poor translation from digital to celluloid format? Dunno.

  • May 19, 2002, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Fuckiiiiing AWESOME!!

    by wooLYaphid

    I'm in love with Star Wars again! Nice words Harry, lost you on the Bond analogy tho. Damn it I need to see this again and again - it's definately a contender for my favorite SW film, more analysis is required.

  • May 19, 2002, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Who Saw Triumph On Conan Last Night? OR... For Every 5,000,000 "

    by jollydwarf

    ...there's like THREE Silent Bobs. People just don't know when to shut the fuck up. In here or in the theater. I wonder if this movie will someday be known as the "Rocky Planet Picture Show"? People reciting lines and throwing scrap metal at the screen when Hayden exclaims "It's all Obi Wan's fault! HE'S HOLDING ME BACK!!!" But really, while it's completely expected, this movie is to this site what Tiger Woods is to galleries across the world. Getting the ignorant frontrunners out to mingle with those that actually understand the game. I have read--no, SKIMMED--so many bad posts that it is beyond comprehension. And that has NOTHING to do with what I agree or vehemently disagree with. I JUST WANT TO DISCUSS THIS MOVIE WITH A NICE CROSS-SECTION OF LITERATE PEOPLE WITHOUT THE 20% SUCCESS RATIO. Is that askin' too much? Of course "literate" does not mean "obsessive". After seeing that Conan/Triumph Linesitters segment, I have reason to be very afraid of who's all posting here. Be mindful of your rants. They betray you. Anyways, enough bitching about the bitches. There's just some items that I'm not clear on after seeing this movie. 1.) If Boba Fett IS going to be back in Episode III (and George and/or Rick said that he is), is he going to be some playground bully in an oversize helmet? Remember, he's an identical genetic clone of Jango, and he doesn't age at an accelerated rate. I seriously doubt that Episode III takes place more than two or three years after "Clones". 2.) Was the vacant Jedi Council chamber implying that all the Jedi Masters were dead on just still involved in the war? Was the climatic skirmish still going on or even escalating by the film's end? 3.) Did Jango Fett know the whole plot, being a lackey for Tyranus? 4.) Is Anakin going to be expelled from the Jedi Order as soon as they learn of his marriage (they'll see Padme's belly and they'll know)? Whatever the case may be, I think that all of the dogmatic polarizing, rationalizing (THAT'S YOU, KNOWLES!), and general thickheadedness are getting in the way of the fun that can be had from this film in hindsight. Which is that it answers a mere handful of questions and presents about one thousand times more. And we've got THREE YEARS to chew on it. I still think a lot of clues are there for the inevitable trademark Lucas twist or two or ten. The hot topics? Sidious not the same as Palpatine? Dooku playing his own power game by trying to recruit Obi Wan? How does the Sith eradicate 10,000 Jedi (save two) that are spread across the galaxy? When does a Clonetrooper become a Stormtrooper? Who was behind Shmi's fate, and how is the Dark Side clouding everything? How will Boba Fett play into this one? Is Mace Windu a traitor? (I can't believe no one else here is giving this one serious consideration) Will Beetlejuice from Howard Stern be the first character free to improvise, calling himself JaWa Bings? And you thought that the "I am your Father" proclamation and "Who was the 'other'?" were plenty to consider. Discuss.

  • May 19, 2002, 2:44 a.m. CST

    ATTACK O' Th' Clones

    by Cody Stone

    Harry, I'm not quite sure if you remember me but I worked at the Smithsonian with Julia Pelosi about four years ago when you spoke there (yes, it has been that long). I completely agree with you in your review of "Attack of the Clones." As far as delivering a totally entertaining, escapist, and fun summer film, Episode II totally delivered. It was THE Star Wars film that every fan who grew up with the franchise wanted to see; which, the plotless "The Phantom Menace" was not. Though it had it's faults (I'm definitely not agreeing with you on the justification of Lucas's horrible romatic dialogue -- he needs to hire a real writer for Episode III) I still think that overall, "Attack of the Clones" is stellar fun. My only real criticism is that Lucas hire, for Episode III, a real screenwriter and director ("The Empire Strikes Back" anyone!). After the failure of Episode I, Lucas should have realized that he held the world in his hand, which could have helped him convey, in "Attack of the Clones," the romance between Anakan and Padme. Unfortunatly Jonathan Hales did not provide the necessary (for lack of a better word) force to do this, and unfortunatley we now have to live with what he sanctioned in "Attack of the Clones," which, (though as great at the ultimate film was), is bad romantic drivel. Though Harry, I understand your attempts to rationalize the poor romantic dialogue with your ultimate love of this "saga," (something that I tried to do with the overall screenplay of "The Phantom Menace,"), please remember that Lucas is well past his prime; there is a reason why he is a divorced father of three -- Lucas obviously does not like women. I remember when he accepted his "James Smithson Award" from the Smithsonian five years ago and, when someone asked him about why women get such a "second rate treatment in his story, he came up with some half-assed explanation, that the entire "Star Wars'" story was ultimately "Princes Leia's: story. Of course, now, we now that this is total B.S. After seeing "Attack of the Clones," it is quite clear that he sees women in the medieval Christian/Templar way -- as objects of desire who are primarily flawed, but can be redeemed through child birth. That is the only reason why, beyond the clich

  • May 19, 2002, 2:44 a.m. CST

    CAN'T WAIT OR Ep.III

    by code_encrypted

    Well, just saw AOTC and ,DAYAM, what a horrible waste of my six dollars (thank god i watched a matinee show). As you can tell in my subject heading, i can't WAIT to see how Lucas directs himself outta this mess he's created w/ his last two installments... Even moreso, I can't wait to see and hear the reactions coming from the brain-washed (and probably UNWASHED) masses. Now THAT'S entertainment. Geez, reading these talkbacks are far more compelling than the film itself! I could go on pointing out the flaws but i'll let most of these posts do the talking (along w/ the passage of time and the hindsight that comes from it). Honestly, Lucas said it best when he said these last two flicks are for the kiddies. No adult w/ common sense could possibly put up w/ the atrocities (bad-acting, horrible pacing) Lucas has lovingly filmed... all in it's digital / CGI glory. Look, this flick makes a cool little tech-demo for all you 'graphics-whores' (videogame term alert), but in the end, that's all it'll ever be... BTW, those claiming AOTC is a glorified toy commercial, at least those transformers commercials made me WANT to buy their product!!!

  • May 19, 2002, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Harry, great job! I'm very pleased with Star Wars Episode

    by Tarl_Cabot

    I enjoyed it. It wasn't a perfect movie.I didn't expect a perfect movie and I didn't get one. Spiderman is a better movie in terms of pure fun but I'm happy to see Star Wars kicks some ass again...I had a great time! Great job Harry!

  • May 19, 2002, 3 a.m. CST

    What he said...

    by ArashiRyu

    Everyone that claims to be a fan of SW and doesn't like the latest installments missed the soul of the story. None of the movies are Oscar candidates, none are deep and dramatic moving artistic stories that make your typical movie critic cream in their pants. Star Wars is fun. Star Wars is a voyage to another world in which none of our mundane existences will ever be. I would love to see a critic bashing site just to point out the blah that is their lives. Unless Spielberg posts on here about the corniness of Lucas' last endeavor... I feel they're just looking for the bad. Otherwise they'd be called praisers... hehe. Anyhow, I didn't hate TPM, I knew he had to come from somewhere... part one wasn't going to be action packed, just as part 3 isn't going to have a happy ending. Lucas has made his baby and he made it his way... so what if some lines are corny, so what if you would have done it different? I enjoyed ep2 immensely, I felt childish again, I clapped for yoda... I was wowed by the Seismic Mines... (seeing it with the wonder that is Grauman's Chinese sound system doesn't hurt either) that's why i go to Star Wars movies. No the courtship of Anakin isn't as cool as the one of Leia, don't care... still liked it... This was another as the others were... I'm a Star Wars fan now and forever. For every one thing that i'm not thrilled with, there are ten I am, and some movies don't even give you that many things to feel strongly one way or another about! My only real criticism is that I'll have to wait to see the next one.

  • May 19, 2002, 3:01 a.m. CST

    A Couple More Questions OR Some "Kid's Movie"!

    by jollydwarf

    New post, same rambling. Nevertheless, WHO IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS GOING TO 'GET' THIS FILM? Not youngsters, that's for sure. Actually, I can't imagine anyone outside of this TB and similar discussions appreciating the nuances going on here. I know my father will want to see this, but there is no way in Hell that he's going to get it. I don't know about you guys, but I've got A HARD ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING THE REAL WORLD VS. SAGA CHRONOLOGIES TO PEOPLE, let alone who Palpatine probably is and why the hell Jimmy Smits is in the movie. I wonder what it's like to watch this movie just to see the "water cooler" discussion topics (Yoda, bad dialogue, that 'Jenga Fett') and to see things go "Boom!" all the time. But the funniest thing is that Lucas has finally made a Star Wars film chock full o' foreshadowing references, 'Easter egg' jokes, an expansive and involved plot, which is what we've wanted, and we collectively criticize the movie's convulted nature. Oh, the irony! Just remember, 95% of the people that see the Prequels aren't seeing the same films as you. They were dusted as soon as they heard "The Honorable delegation from Malastare concurs!" Yeah, that was from the LAST movie. Sure, it's got flaws "the size of glaciers." But be thankful that The Flanneled One overcompensated in our favor this time. This could've ended with Clones doing some Rockettes line-kicking. (Shudder)

  • May 19, 2002, 3:08 a.m. CST

    OrionsAngel: digital movie screens and the wilhelm scream

    by nverman

    I went to watch AOTC twice this week, and both times I watched it on a digital movie screen. The screen itself was the largest in the theater complex, but it was by no means bigger than the IMAX movie screen at the Museum of Nature and Science in Denver, where I reside. The digital screen was installed just a couple of weeks ago specifically for AOTC due to customer demand, and I am thankful. I can't honestly say that I have anything to compare my experience of viewing AOTC with, since I didn't see it projected from film, but I can say that the image was beautiful: crisp, clear, no jumps, scratches, fades, and I didn't see any of the pixelation that Harry was talking about in his review, and I specifically looked (during the second viewing) for the defects he had mentioned. Like everything new, there is a learning curve for projectionists using digital projectors, and I believe that the pixelation may have been specific to the theater he had seen AOTC in since there was no evident flaws in during my viewing. Roger Ebert, who himself gave AOTC a mere two stars, stated in his May 14th review (A technological triumph for few, www.sun-times.com/output/eb-feature/cst-ftr-ebert14.html) that,"After seeing the new ''Star Wars'' movie projected on film, I wrote that the images had "a certain fuzziness, an indistinctness that seemed to undermine their potential power." But I knew the film had been shot on digital video, and that George Lucas believed that it should preferably be seen, not on film, but projected digitally. Sunday I was able to see the digital version, and Lucas is right: "Star Wars: Episode II--Attack of the Clones" is sharper, crisper, brighter and punchier on digital than on film." Ebert having said that, I wanted to watch it projected both ways, but lacked the courage to shell out the eight bucks to watch it film-projected since I have heard from some people that the image did appear a bit fuzzy when projected the traditional manner. If you can see it digitally, by God, do it! I saw Spider-man on its opening weekend, and as much as I loved that movie, I wish it had been projected digitally, because even the new print that it had to be, was marred by a couple of jumps and scratches...and that pissed me off to no end. To change the subject, did anyone notice if the legendary Wilhelm scream was in AOTC? I tried to find/hear it both times I went to see the movie, but to no avail.

  • May 19, 2002, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Some of us watch movies the way fat people eat junk food.

    by Rael Trajan

    There seems to be a vein of argument at AICN along the lines of "You have not seen this movie, having only read reviews. Therefore you should see this movie." The assumption seems to be that a decision to watch or not watch a film based on someone else

  • May 19, 2002, 3:21 a.m. CST

    To all you poor bastards who hated this film....HAA HAA!!! I enj

    by Lezbo Milk

    I enjoyed myself. I had fun. I was entertained. A very pleasureable experience! To all those that didn't, well I am sure as hell glad I'm not you, because it sucks not enjoying yourself at the movies. Too bad, maybe some film will come along some day and you can have fun at the movies too.

  • May 19, 2002, 3:25 a.m. CST

    THE BEST THING ABOUT THE MOVIE WAS....

    by billybobhoyle

    Yoda!!!! Damn i love that little guy. The movie was a major disappointment to me, friends, and family. The action scenes with Obi, Skywalker, Windu, and Jango all sucked. They were boring or didn't make sense. With PTM, they had Ray Park who made them look good fighting. Lucas didn't cut and paste a lot during TPM's fight scenes. In AOTC all u saw were lightsabers and facial expressions. The special effects looked really cartoonish too. Gosh it sucked until Yoda came and kicked some ass. AOTC is like TPM, only the last 15 mins of the movie was worth while. BTW don't forget to vote for YODA and CHRISPOTHER LEE for the MTV movie awards next year for best fight scene.

  • May 19, 2002, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Harry's questions

    by Maggie

    To answer one of Harry's question "Will Amidala die in childbirth?" We already know she doesn't because in ROTJ Leia tells Luke she remembers her 'real' mother as being beautifuk and sad and that she died when she was very young. Overall I thought AOTC was a huge improvement over Ep. 1 but it was still boring and a lot of the acting was wooden with bad dialogue. The last 30 minutes were the best, just like Ep. 1. There were so many missed opportunities in AOTC that it was sad. George should've had Anakin look out onto the two suns setting just like Luke did in Ep.1V. That would've been great. He also should've had Boba Fett react more when his Dad died. That was the problem with this film. No one reacted very much to anything. It was as if everyone had taken too much cough syrup or something.

  • May 19, 2002, 4:16 a.m. CST

    I DIDNT LIKE IT

    by vekt0r

  • May 19, 2002, 4:20 a.m. CST

    I DIDNT LIKE IT

    by vekt0r

    The Dialogue between Ani and Padme was godawful, almost painful to watch. Not any better than the crap love scenes from Pearl Harbor. I found the movie to be pretty boring and rolled my eyes as lucas blew his load with another huge, cartoonish battle scene at the end. It was like watching an advertisment for a video game. That's my opinion.

  • May 19, 2002, 4:22 a.m. CST

    A Brilliant Film!

    by Ismrain

    This Film was great, because it makes every other star wars film better, by tieing them together. The movie is much more complicated then people realize and you have to pay very very close attention to it. That is the part I disagree with Harry on, it is complicated. People that didn't understand the film of course did not like it. However, the more you understand, the more brilliant the film and the whole Star Wars saga is!

  • May 19, 2002, 4:30 a.m. CST

    More thoughts on AOTC...

    by nverman

    I have to agree...I thought 3PO's one-liners were pretty entertaining. There was one that I would have loved to take back, namely the,"Help, I'm trapped and can't get up!" which is a take-off on the "I've fallen and can't get up!" commercials from a few years back--that was a bit over-the-top, even for an uber-pop fantasy film like AOTC. The reason I didn't think that joke appropriate was because it succeeded in transporting me back from the universe I was completely immersed in and back to the dingy world I truly inhabit. I didn't necessarily want to be reminded of those commercials at that precise moment. All others were funny, especially the,"Die, Jedi scum!" bit when his head was switched with the Battle Droid. Very funny stuff, and it totally reminded me of when he was being carried around on Chewie's back in ESB, which I also felt very funny. In terms of the relationship between Anakin and Padme, no amount of rationalization will make the flat dialogue intriguing, but I don't think any of the more intimate moments in the Star Wars universe are all that flushed with hormonal excitement. The only thing that made the romance between Han Solo and Leia intriguing was the bravado Harrison Ford brought to the mix, and the perky pluck Carrie Fisher contributed. There was real chemistry there, real spirit. Here, well, let's say the actors did what they could with the words given them. I am not trashing the film, I actually loved it to no end, but dialogue has always been lacking when GL writes the scripts. He really could use Kasdan back, or another screenwriter with a bit more flair with dialogue. And I have to say that some of the more quirky moments of the film more than made up for those defeciencies: the sudden BOIIINNNNG when the sonic mines exploded was just awesome, delivering a crushing blast to every asteroid in close proximity--yes sound doesn't travel in a vacuum, but who cares? That was too cool for school. Also, the moment when the silouhette of Boba as he picks up Jango's head and rests his head against it, was a marvelous foreshadowing. I also loved how the normally sunny skies of Coruscant had been transformed into fiery crimson skies when Dooku returned to Sidious' lair. The eerie wailing as Dooku landed his ship reminded me of J.Williams' work in A.I., and I thought the touch was fantastic--a taste of the sinister and primeval lurking in the darkest corners of his keep. The Empire March was also a nice touch at the end of the film. I could go on and on...a bit of the film was deficient, but mostly it was wonderful. What film doesn't have its loopholes, flaws, and deficiencies? Tell me that one of the best films of last year, Memento, did not have a gigantic, gaping loophole in its central premise! And tell me that the Matrix was not a flawed, if brilliant, first act. I admire the imagination that goes into a film like this. I admire the fertile imagination of a great many film writers and directors. AOTC gives me the impression that GL has quite a lot going on in that attic of his, even if that attic has a few cobwebs in it.

  • May 19, 2002, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Why Make A big Deal Over The Movie Gross Of EP2 Or Spidy, and TH

    by The Founder

    unless you have stock or some kind of investment in the films, why do any of you care how much they make???? The Matrix kicked Spidey's, and both EP 1&2 @ss, it was a better movie, and deep down you loyal Star Wars fan know it. Spideman was better, but I liked EP2, but it was boring when the action sequences wern't playing. People were getting up walking out, and as I've said before, EP2 was a great movie visually, but other then the visuals it was mediocre, well above mediocre, because of the action scenes. I saw it twice, and I won't be going a 3rd time, I can't sit through it again.

  • Where to begin

  • May 19, 2002, 4:47 a.m. CST

    ATTACK OF THE CLONES!!!!! When was that then?

    by MrSINISTER

    The film is called ATTACK OF THE CLONES right? So....erm....when did this happen in the film? All I saw was Yoda commanding the Clone army right at the end of the film to help out his fellow Jedi and destroy the Droid army. The title of the film implies that the films focal point is this 'clone attack' and that the emphasis of this film would've been about said attack. Surely Lucas wasnt refering to that last 15 minute scene when the clones help out the poor Jedi??? If thats the case then this is the 'Stupidest film title EVER!!!' The film's focus was essentially about the Republic falling, Jedi being slain, Anakins slip toward the Dark side/relationship to Padme, and the Dark side's rise. I assume that these CLONES are used in EPIII by Palpatine to gain control of the Repuplic right? So Surely this title would be more appropriate for the third instalment. Though to be honest I never liked the title anyhow. MrSINISTER out....

  • May 19, 2002, 4:50 a.m. CST

    addendum to my message

    by Tozier

    Just in case someone needs to bring it up, YES I KNOW its not "your dead" I'm tired and grammer goes to hell, and damn well last but not least...Spiderman. My numb, broken, bloated, dead, corpse Spiderman is better than AOTC. I kept reading all this Spidy crap and thinking must remember Spidy, spidy, spidy, but oh no. I have not the wrist strength to go into it right now. Even if AOTC is one of the worst movies ever made, Spiderman falls below even that. Spiderman is the sludge on the bottom of Jar Jar's funky feet.

  • May 19, 2002, 4:54 a.m. CST

    a shortcut??

    by TheJ76

    I've seen AOTC twice now and I think I've discovered the basic problem. When Anakin is assaigned to protect Padme why can't he take her straight to Tatooine? After all as far as he knows Mom is still living in the slave quarters, same as EI. Anikin has a place way the hell out there, relatively safe, where Padme can shack up until the whole assassin thing blows over. They arrive, find that Mom is no longer there, and spend their time looking for her while Obi is dealing with clones and Jango. The love story could have developed during this search and saved time in the process. What made Empire work so well is that when our heros split up they go to one place each and end up and the same spot, one ahead of the other. Going to Naboo in AOTC is unessessary for the love story to work, and going to Tatooine, which in the grand scheme WAS nessessary, could have provided them a mission to complement the love story and help the middle seem less draggy. Do that and I don't see how anyone could have a problem with this movie(This coming from a fan and defender of TPM). Also: saw it the first time DLP at the Cinerama here in Seattle, and saw it on film the second time. IMHO, DLP is the better of the two ways to see this movie, and that has nothing to do with the fact that it was shot digitally. The projected film image is just as good as any other film, but the DLP really makes the images pop in color and brightness, and especially makes the end battle loads more exciting to the eye. -J

  • May 19, 2002, 5 a.m. CST

    HARRYHAUSEN????

    by MrSINISTER

    Some talkbackers have claimed that the monsters in that arena scene resembled the old Harryhausen stop-motion FX, and that this was both DELIBERATE and a GOOD THING!! WTF????? You gotta be kidding me!!!! What you saw was poor design and CGI I am afraid. Are you telling me that ILM were told that despite having millions of pounds worth of top-of-the-range workstations capable of stunning and realistic graphics, they were to produce three of the most lamest, poorly designed 'monsters' they could and not only that, that they had to be animated to a level comparable to the 60's????? PLEASE.........!! Wouldnt a couple of Rancors been MUCH better? Also I agree that there is NO WAY ON EARTH that Padme couldve ever 'winded' that 400 pound, 'CAT' thing with a simple kick. WHAT RUBBISH!!! MrSINISTER out...

  • May 19, 2002, 5:15 a.m. CST

    thank you dbsryyd

    by dogfish112

    matrix does rule, but shit Keanu is a talentless asshole! I thought Hayden did a pretty believeable job and Natalie is tres hot.

  • May 19, 2002, 5:42 a.m. CST

    harry quoted wrong dialogue

    by graymarch

    The dialogue between Jango and Obiwan regarding "just trying to make my way in the world" never appeared in the movie, its only in the script.

  • May 19, 2002, 5:44 a.m. CST

    sorry graymarch

    by dogfish112

    but it was in the film when Jango is standing over by the window in his room.

  • May 19, 2002, 5:48 a.m. CST

    dialogue

    by onscreen

    The line that Harry quotes "...just trying to make my way in the universe" IS in the film! I saw it last night and I also thought that was an interesting line! And I also agree that this movie brings us closer to the events in Episode 4, makes things start to seem clearer, although so much is still unexplained. I thought the actors who played Owen and Beru were excellent younger look-alikes of the actors who played them in Episode 4, and when C3PO said "I've never flown" it was so funny...how many times have we seen him in a spaceship? I LOVED this movie!

  • May 19, 2002, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe

    by nverman

    Actually, it was in the film. I saw it twice, and it was notable because it was one of the few lines the uber-cool Jango did say. He had said it when he was confronted by Obi Wan in his quarters.

  • May 19, 2002, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Where is this bad pacing/editing i keep hearing about? COULD SO

    by Sigue Sigue

    I went to film school and took two editing classes. I see absolutely nothing wrong at all with the pacing/editing of this film. In fact i think its one of the strongpoints of it. It was much more "mood inducing" than TPM.

  • May 19, 2002, 6:12 a.m. CST

    This Englishman says 'God Bless America!'

    by MrEnumber6

    And thank you for Star Wars. This onw is a great movie. No doubt. Now, I'm 43, a fan since 77 but no geek! A Bond fan for longer. And the same stuff annoys me..... people can't see that critics (and public) either love these films, of they hate them, and that's going to colour their objective criticism big time! Worse... if you hate them, they're a big target! Lay the boot in guys! And if you love them.... big surprise..be overly critical! The carps I hear are from the same people who say Connery was the only Bond. Everything sucked after Russia. Bullshit. Enjoy this thoughtful, flawed but magnificent labour of love. Period.

  • May 19, 2002, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Oh well

    by Atreides

    I loved Star Wars, I loved James Bond. Attack of the Clones is The Man with the golden gun of the series. I'm a big fan I like it (but deep down in my heart of hearts I know its shit) Sorry

  • May 19, 2002, 6:54 a.m. CST

    For those of you that hate Star Wars........

    by sithapprentice

    I'd just like to say that I came back from ATOC for the second time and have found myself loving it even more. The comment has been made that many of you hate this movie because you lost touch with you "child self." "why" then you say, " can I be just as enchanted with LOTR or Spiderman, but find this movie sucks." Well, if you ask people about LOTR or Spiderman, you get the same mixed response as you do here. You either love it or you hate it. Personally I found LOTR dry and self-important but started enjoying it towards the end. It worked for me, yet I couldn't stand the guy who plays Frodo. Just too whimpy and faggie for my tastes, yet I had to see it again to for his character and acting to grow on me. So does this mean that LOTR is bad movie because I have to go see it again to like it more? I would say no and you would agree with me, yet when it comes to ATOC you cry" I shouldn't have to go see this movie twice to make it better. There are no excuses." Now, your really being logical. Do you honestly believe that everyone thought LOTR was a perfect movie? That movie got as many mixed reactions as Clones is now having. Being in touch with your child self is essential if your to enjoy any fantasy movie and part of reclaiming that is to keep an open mind. I kept an open mind with LOTR and it began to grow on me. I hated the Matrix when I first saw it but then saw it again. Now, its one of my all time favorites but does that mean it was a bad movie? No, it was my personality filterings that prevented me from enjoying it and once I suspended them, I began to truly marvel at it. Yes, Clones has its faults. Slow character development, a whining Christensen, and a wooden Portman. But this isn't 1977 and lightning can only strike once. Look at ST:TNG, how long did it take for them to get there chemestry down? 2 years and they still don't have the magnetisim of the original Star Trek, but people love them. They are an all together different branch. So please lighten up and enough with the hate postings. George Lucas has recaptured the magic, but the characters need time soak in. They need to be accepted as they are, and no doubt EPIII will tie in the remaining loose ends. ATOC IS AN ACHIEVMENT OF FILM PERFECTION!!!!!!! LONG LIVE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!

  • May 19, 2002, 6:54 a.m. CST

    For those of you that hate Star Wars........

    by sithapprentice

    I'd just like to say that I came back from ATOC for the second time and have found myself loving it even more. The comment has been made that many of you hate this movie because you lost touch with you "child self." "why" then you say, " can I be just as enchanted with LOTR or Spiderman, but find this movie sucks." Well, if you ask people about LOTR or Spiderman, you get the same mixed response as you do here. You either love it or you hate it. Personally I found LOTR dry and self-important but started enjoying it towards the end. It worked for me, yet I couldn't stand the guy who plays Frodo. Just too whimpy and faggie for my tastes, yet I had to see it again to for his character and acting to grow on me. So does this mean that LOTR is bad movie because I have to go see it again to like it more? I would say no and you would agree with me, yet when it comes to ATOC you cry" I shouldn't have to go see this movie twice to make it better. There are no excuses." Now, your really being logical. Do you honestly believe that everyone thought LOTR was a perfect movie? That movie got as many mixed reactions as Clones is now having. Being in touch with your child self is essential if your to enjoy any fantasy movie and part of reclaiming that is to keep an open mind. I kept an open mind with LOTR and it began to grow on me. I hated the Matrix when I first saw it but then saw it again. Now, its one of my all time favorites but does that mean it was a bad movie? No, it was my personality filterings that prevented me from enjoying it and once I suspended them, I began to truly marvel at it. Yes, Clones has its faults. Slow character development, a whining Christensen, and a wooden Portman. But this isn't 1977 and lightning can only strike once. Look at ST:TNG, how long did it take for them to get there chemestry down? 2 years and they still don't have the magnetisim of the original Star Trek, but people love them. They are an all together different branch. So please lighten up and enough with the hate postings. George Lucas has recaptured the magic, but the characters need time soak in. They need to be accepted as they are, and no doubt EPIII will tie in the remaining loose ends. ATOC IS AN ACHIEVMENT OF FILM PERFECTION!!!!!!! LONG LIVE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!

  • May 19, 2002, 6:55 a.m. CST

    It's All coming Together

    by baronkarza

    Maybe I'm weird (and I know I am) but I couldn't stop smiling while watching AOTC! My son and I (and he is now the same age I was when ANH first came out) are going to see it again today! I loved it, he loved it. His eyes showed that same sense of joy and wonder that mine did way back then, how cool is that? It is everyones right to feel about this movie the way they want, but I can't help but feel sorry for those that hated it. My God, what does this mean? Have we lost something? Think about it just for one second, take a deep breath and realize the following...1) This movie is loaded with cool characters- the assassian on Corusant, Jango Fett(!), Boba (Who has creepy cool, "Get 'em Dad!"), Dart Cook, a young Owen Lars, Count Dooku (Dartyh Tyranus!!), Clone Troopers that actually have personallity (I can't believe Lucas made us root for them!) and probably the coolest damn sci-fi war scene EVER put to film. For those that have trouble with the acting or dialogue, yes its cheesy, but it is perfectly Star Wars. I loved the cheesy dialogue in the first trilogy and my opinion hasn't changed. This movie had soooo many moments that made a Star Wars fan smile... 1) Obi-Wan, is he the coolest or what? His obsession with calling Anakin "My young Padawn learner" even made me hate him for it, imagine how it must grate on Anakin? Remember, these two have at each other in the next movie. 2) My 9 YEAR OLD SON pointed this out to me, Anakin starts by being ANGRY (Anger leads to hate) then starts HATING (Hate leads to suffering), I think that rocks! 3) Anakin not being able to control his feelings. Even though he knows he shouldn't, he still does. He all but told Obi-Wan that he was willing to leave the Jedi order to jump out and help Padme...this boy is headed for trouble. Just like a lot of teenagers!! 3) Yoda. Who would've thought it? We lived to see Yoda kick serious ass! Just that part alone made me shiver. Oh man. 4) Yoda taught Dooku, Dooku taught Qui-Jon, Qui-Jon taught Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan taught Anakin...is that cool or is it just me?? 4) Owen not recognizing CSPO. C'mon, I've seen people again that I met only a few months ago and not remembered their names...it must be at least 20-30 years before Owen sees C3PO again, and he has bronze metal skin and looks like a million other droids. 5) I loved that the Trade Federation bad mouth sync aliens has festered a hate for Amidala all these years! Nice touch. 6) I love that Sidious started building a Clone army waaaay back 10 years ago. This guy is planning something....hehe. 7) Anakin. The perfect, fumbling, saying things outloud, making mistakes, impetious, teen!! Don't you remember what it was like to be a teenager? Gosh, the things I said to girls, its a good thing no one filmed those scenes...imagine how embarissing that would be? I think he nailed it and I bought it. 8) Count Dooku. (Tyranus) I loved christopher Lee, but I admit to being a little confused by the movie here. I know what is going on, but not from the actual movie. The whole Droid army, and its scale, could have been built up a little better. This is the only point in the movie where I thought the choices were weak. Especially for any new fans. Anyway, thats my two cents worth. I can't wait to see it again. And this is going to be a hard three years! Well, we do have LOTR to keep us happy. And Daredevil, Hulk, Matrix, XMen 2...what a great time to be alive.

  • May 19, 2002, 6:59 a.m. CST

    The fact remains, look closer, this picture has horrible screen

    by marauderwd

    The cgi is great yes... but you all need to look a little closer or something. The quality of the image is downright horrible. There is pixelation in every scene, basically because digital cameras store 1/10th the screen image as an analogue celluloid. Remember a regular kodak camera is equivelant to a 55 megapixel camera. There is nothing great about being digital... One person said they saw it at the Cinerama in seattle on DLP, well so did I. And myself and about 20 people who went with me all could see the pixelation in every scene. I REALLY wonder if you guys believe it looks better because the word digital, or you actually see a difference. If you compared the two side-by-side... (Which we can't do since it was digitally filmed), you would immediately notice that digital is a horrible way to go. People love changing terms, OOH its a new analogue controller, OOH its a digital camera... the fact is, that newer or digital/analog conversion isn't always a blessing. Analog phones still blow away digital. There isn't a newspaper in the country that uses digital cameras either. Why should they downgrade quality? HDTV isn't done with digital cameras either... sorry. The D isn't for digital. Think about it.. its a gimmick. Super 70 is by far the best choice of filmmaking.. and digital wont be on par with super 70 for decades. If this movie was blown up to imax proportions, the pixels would be over an inch each... thats insane. At least a 35 mm can pass on an IMAX screen.

  • May 19, 2002, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Imperial March

    by smurfherder

    I love the use of the Imperial March at the end when the clone armies are lifting off from Corrusant. It was the best echo of the original trilogy for me and really hit the message home that we were witnessing the birth of the evil galactic empire.

  • May 19, 2002, 7:43 a.m. CST