AICN WORLD EXCLUSIVE!! MORIARTY Reviews The Current Draft Of X-MEN 2!!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
I’d like to thank my anonymous benefactor.
Saturday night, I spent most of the evening showing my girlfriend THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, since she’s never seen any of the STAR WARS films and she wants to go to the 12:01 screening of it with us on Wednesday night. It’s fun watching them through fresh eyes, and she’s warming up to them as they go. When I came home, though, I found an envelope just inside the front gate of the building with one word scrawled across the front: MORIARTY.
Happens all the time. Mysterious packages appear on my doorstep, and I have no idea where they come from. People get edgy when they’re sending you things that are current or volatile or hard to find, and they do their best to cover their tracks. After all, I can’t give a source away, even accidentally, if I don’t know who they are.
So I get inside and I open the envelope, and there’s X-MEN 2. Clean. Just came out of a copier somewhere. 109 pages, with “PRODUCTION DRAFT 4-30-02” on the title page. It’s credited to David Hayter, with a story by David Hayter and Bryan Singer, and current revisions by Michael Dougherty & Dan Harris. By now, we’re all fairly familiar with the stories about Zak Penn and David Hayter developing separate drafts of the scripts, almost like a competition, with the studio eventually choosing what they felt was the stronger of the two ideas, picking the bones of the other if there was anything worthwhile. I thought it sounded like a terrible way to develop a sequel, and I was particularly discouraged by the idea that Tom DeSanto wasn’t involved, considering how important his input was on the first film. His was the pure heart of a fan that Singer used as his compass, and no matter what odds seemed stacked against X-MEN while it was in production... and there were times when it seemed like it would have to be a catastrophe... somehow they managed to create a film that delivered on the spirit of the X-MEN, that brought the team to full and vivid life and promised even greater things to come.
Well, get ready, because X-MEN 2 is poised to take the winning streak of Marvel Films to a whole new level. It’s smart, fast-paced, filled with page after page of superhero action that we’ve never seen onscreen before, and it manages to not only introduce new characters successfully, but also fleshes out the mythology of the world and the characters we already met in a deeply satisfying way.
First things first: forget what you think you know about the film. If you do a search of the Internet for rumors about the storyline, you’ll find a lot of blather about Sentinels (both human and machine) and The Legacy Virus. Well, neither one is true. There are no Sentinels on display at all. Not even a hint of them. And there’s no Legacy Virus. Instead, this is a story that picks up right where the first film left off, and instead of trying to shoehorn some storyline from the comics into the film, they’ve chosen to build their own continuity.
The film starts off with a sequence that left me shocked in the very best way. First, there’s a voice-over by Xavier about the ongoing struggle for mutants to find their place in the world. It underlines the ideas of the first movie in a very simple, direct way. At the end of the voice-over, as the armored door of Cerebro slams closed, we see the Seal of the President of the United States.
Suddenly we’re in the White House, taking a tour. A tour guide reads a placard below a portrait of Abraham Lincoln: “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break the bonds of our affection.” That phrase is key to understanding the constantly shifting alliances in X-MEN 2. This is a movie in which good guys and bad guys aren’t who you believe, and from moment to moment our expectations about how these characters will behave are challenged by the circumstances in which they find themselves.
For example, as the tour group approaches a security checkpoint, one man stands back, away from the group, eyeing a janitor’s closet on the far side of the checkpoint.
And the first time I read BAMF!, I cheered.
The man, whose face we still haven’t seen, vanishes in a puff of smoke, then somehow steps out of the closet, only to be stopped by a Secret Service agent. When he looks up, we get our first look at “THE FACE OF A DEMON: Skin so blue it appears black. His eyes are YELLOW, dilated, and glazed over. This is KURT WAGNER, aka NIGHTCRAWLER.”
As the agent reaches for his gun, Nightcrawler’s tail whips up and slams the agent to the ground. In a series of moves, Nightcrawler scurries up walls and across ceilings, teleporting directly into the Oval Office. He single-handedly disarms a circle of Secret Service agents, then attacks the President himself. Nightcrawler draws a knife and is just about to stab the President when he gets shot in the wrist. His eyes seems to clear, and it’s as if he suddenly realizes where he is and what he’s doing. He disappears, and the Secret Service moves to retrieve the knife, which is stuck in the desk, with a ribbon hanging from the handle that reads “MUTANT FREEDOM NOW.”
Needless to say, the climate is no more favorable for mutants in this film than in the first. If anything, it’s gotten worse. The incidents on Liberty Island have raised awareness of what can happen when mutants go bad, and mistrust has become an everyday thing. A simple field trip to a museum becomes a challenge for Jean Grey, Scott “Cyclops” Summers, Storm, and a group of Xavier’s students including Rogue, Kitty Pryde, Bobby Drake, and John Allerdyce, also known as Pyro. It doesn’t help that the students are still kids, prone to all the temperamental displays of typical teenagers. What begins as a simple field trip ends up becoming a tense, uncomfortable showdown with several local teens. Rogue and Pyro and Bobby and Kitty are all well-written, defined quickly with simple details, each of them given distinct personalities. Right up front, there’s a better balance to this film. Yes, Wolverine is still front and center. An early scene picks up with him searching for some clue about the Weapon X project at the abandoned Alkali Lake military base in Alberta. But this thing moves. After the field trip, Jean, Storm, and Scott end up meeting with Xavier, trying to sort out the truth of the assassination attempt, all of them convinced that Magneto must be behind it, despite being incarcerated. They’re afraid that an incident like this is going to create an even greater rift between mutants and society, reintroducing the Registration Act or even worse.
They’re right, of course. At the White House, we meet William Stryker, a man in his 60s. He’s meeting with the President to present him with evidence that ties Xavier and his school, a well-kept secret, to the attempt on the President’s life. They’re joined at the meeting by Senator Kelly, who seems particularly interested in what Stryker has to say about Magneto, who he says gave him all the information on Xavier’s school. Stryker wants permission to take a military envoy into Xavier’s school to see exactly what’s going on inside. Senator Kelly seems to be sympathetic to mutant rights now, and when he follows Stryker out of the Oval Office, he tries to push Stryker for more details. He’s cut off by Anne Reynolds, Stryker’s assistant, though, and it’s obvious that Stryker wants nothing to do with Kelly. As he walks off, we get a glimpse of yellow in Kelly’s eyes, a sign that he might not be what “he” seems to be.
By the time Wolverine returns to Xavier’s school, frustrated by how little he’s learned, the pieces are all in place for the explosive set piece that is the heart of the first act and that puts everything else in motion. Cyclops and Xavier go to visit Magneto in his plastic prison while Storm and Jean go to try and track down the mutant who is being accused of the near-assassination. Before Cyclops and Xavier can see Magneto, though, he’s visited by Stryker, and we see that he has been horribly mistreated in prison, beaten regularly. He’s unable to lift a finger to help himself, and a particulary sadistic guard named Laurio is happy to help Stryker get information out of the humbled mutant. Stryker has help from another source, though... an odd yellow liquid that burns into the back of the neck of whoever it’s used on, sapping their will somehow. It’s awful, and Stryker comes across as a cold-blooded sonofabitch. In anything, you end up feeling sorry for Magneto. All of his worst fears about humans seem to be borne out in the way he is treated by his captors.
While Jean and Storm track down Nightcrawler and learn about the truth of the attack, Wolverine finds himself in charge of the students at Xavier’s school for the evening. He decides to spend the time sharpening his instincts a bit, as well as burning off some aggression. And any fan of the X-MEN comics knows what that means:
Danger Room, baby. Awwwwwwwww, yeah.
Keep in mind that all of this is before page 25 or so of the script. It’s all set up. What kicks the rest of the film off is the assault on the school that takes place while the X-Men are scattered on their various business. And it’s a hell of a sequence. Frightening, intense, with appearances by all sorts of mutants that will make fans squeal with pleasure, it’s intercut with the springing of a trap that catches Xavier and Cyclops unaware. The action sequences in this film suggest that these X-Men are very powerful, more focused than in the first film, but that their opponents this time are ready for them, able to counter each of their displays of force with something stronger. The students of the school do their best to evacuate, and many of them are able to escape. There are many deaths, though, both human and mutant, and this begins the intentional muddying of who is wrong and who is right in the film. When Wolverine skewers and kills a soldier, he’s saving a student, but there’s still a dead man laying on the ground. Even worse, when Wolverine comes face to face with Stryker during the raid, he is told that Xavier has been lying to him, that Xavier knows the truth of the Weapon X project, and that Wolverine’s origin might be a secret he’s better off not knowing. He manages to make Wolverine doubt himself, doubt Xavier, doubt his entire search for the truth. Before Stryker can subdue Wolverine, though, Rogue and Bobby manage to save him. With Pyro, they hit the road, running for some kind of safety.
I don’t want to reveal the twists and turns of the second and third act, because they’re tons of fun. The way this story unfolds keeps you constantly guessing, constantly working to keep up. Singer and his writers have managed to paint in shades of grey here. Enemies end up working side by side, and friends find themselves at odds. It’s intense, reading a full-blown fight between Jean Grey and Cyclops or seeing Mystique and Wolverine fight side-by-side. Even worse, the thing that Magneto and Xavier created to help unite the mutants of the world, Cerebro, is the cornerstone of a plan to destroy all of them in one fell swoop, with Xavier himself serving as the detonator. I’ll admit... I read the script twice before sitting down to write this because of how dense it is with action and story points. I’m impressed not only by the scale of this story (it’s huge), but also the control of it.
Marvel Films appears to be in the midst of doing something that DC and AOL/Time-Warner can only dream of. They are creating a universe on film. Looking at this past weekend’s box-office for SPIDER-MAN, it’s obvious that these characters connect with mass audiences when they’re handled properly. I’ve always felt that X-MEN’s opening was a signal of a huge desire to see these particular characters brought to life, and that its rapid drop-off was due to the fact that the film felt like an almost, like a solid double instead of a home run. The casting was great. The characters were strong. The build-up was excellent. But it felt like it ended just as it was getting started. This time out, they’ve learned their lesson, and the film starts big, then gets bigger. Scene after scene, each of the mutants plays a valuable role in what’s going on. No one is relegated to the background. Even the supporting characters end up shining in smaller moments. Pyro makes a strong impression here, as does the burgeoning romance between Rogue and Bobby Drake, the Iceman. Mystique comes on strong this time in several scenes, including an excellent quiet moment in a tent with Wolverine, where she offers him all of his fantasies made real, morphing into Jean Grey, Storm, and even Rogue. Magneto has a bruised dignity here, worn out from his months of abuse, but still unbowed. For the first time, his philosophy about humans makes sense. Watching how they treat Xavier and his students, once gets the sense that mutants will never be able to make peace with the larger world.
Everything eventually leads the characters back to Alkali Lake, where we are given answers about Wolverine’s past, and where the fate of the world is determined in a battle so intense that comic fans are going to find themselves on their feet, cheering and hollering at the things they see made real.
Of course, that depends on whether or not they’re going to actually shoot this film.
Like I said, the draft I read was dated 4-30-02. We’re talking about 14 days ago. When you’re as close to shooting as X-MEN 2 is, that can be a lifetime. From what I understand, the entire cast and crew is already starting to migrate up to Vancouver, where they’ll be rolling film in less than a month. Dougherty and Harris are supposedly under contract still, working to incorporate notes from a dozen different directions.
And I know how it is. When there are a number of producers and executives involved, all with their own personal agendas, things can begin to get frantic and overwhelming. Everyone starts to second-guess everyone else. Rewrites are ordered out of panic instead of genuine creative need. Right now, I’m in the position of being the first pair of outside eyes to be able to comment on the script, and I don’t come to it with any sort of agenda at all. I’m simply a fan, someone who enjoyed the first film, who enjoys the characters and the potential of the franchise, and who wants to see something bigger, something bolder this time out.
When I picked the script up, I was worried, as I said. The process I’d heard about on this film scared me. The absence of Tom DeSanto scared me. All the rumors I’d heard about human Sentinels scared me. And what I read changed my mind completely. This is such a rollicking piece of entertainment that I thought at first I must have misread something. I couldn’t imagine something so assured, so determined and focused. At the rate they’re going, Marvel Films has the chance to trump themselves each time out. BLADE was good. X-MEN was better. BLADE 2 was better still. SPIDER-MAN is excellent. DAREDEVIL has a great, promising script that might just be the foundation for a great film. X-MEN 2 could take it to another level. And then HULK goes on a rampage right after that. One film after another, all of them delivering the goods. Why? What did they do that has made this possible?
Well, for one thing, Avi Arad seems to actually be giving the projects to talented filmmakers and writers who just happen to also be fans of the material they’re dealing with. David Self is a rabid scuba enthusiast and a SUB-MARINER fan, so he’s doing the film version. Mark Steven Johnson would sit outside his local comic store as a child, waiting for the store to open on the day the new DAREDEVIL was delivered. Sam Raimi had Spider-Man sheets on his bed. These guys have carried these dreams around for a while. Bryan Singer has confessed that he wasn’t familiar with the X-MEN before DeSanto brought him up to speed, but in the two years since he made the first film, he’s obviously spent a lot of time thinking about the world he created. He didn’t have to come back to do this new film. He could have just walked away and done something new, something different.
Instead, he’s been bitten by the bug. Not the radioactive type, but the creative type. He’s fallen in love with these characters and this world, and as a result, the writers he’s working with have been given license to dream big. The only thing that worries me is the timetable of the project. They’re not shooting yet, and they’re supposed to bring this FX heavy action film out in May next year. HULK, which comes out afterwards, has been shooting for weeks and weeks now. MATRIX: RELOADED, which comes out just after X-MEN 2, is already in post-production. If Fox waits until closer to the release to suddenly move the date, it will be seen as “blinking,” moving because they’re scared of the competition. It will be overanalyzed to death, and you’ll immediately hear the buzz about how the film is “in trouble.”
Save yourselves the trouble. Move the date now. You released the original X-MEN in July. Why not claim that date for each time you do one of these? Besides, that will give John Ottman time to work on the original X-MEN (he’s allegedly recutting and rescoring the first film for DVD) as he also works on the new movie. There’s no way he’ll be able to handle the workload if you try to heap all of this into less than a year. Give this creative team the time and the money they’ll need to make this film as special as it can be. They’ve got a script that works right now. This draft is solid gold. If you shot and released this as is, reviews would almost universally point out how much better written this is than even SPIDER-MAN, the new “gold standard” for comic-book adaptations. It’s funny... I read a review recently that railed on SPIDER-MAN because the dialogue was flat. “It’s certainly not David Mamet,” the reviewer wrote, obviously trying to be glib. Well, I read the David Mamet draft of SPIDER-MAN, and it sucked. As much as I adore much of Mamet’s work, he was wrong for the property. You don’t have to go out of your way to hire some giant-name A-list writer to get these films right. Dougherty and Harris have no other credits in the IMDb, but a little poking around the Internet revealed a website where you can get a peek into the mind of Dougherty, at least. He’s a geek, an animator, someone who knows the world of fandom from the inside out. It’s taking chances on talent like this that has put Marvel Films on track, and I’d hate to see the efforts of these writers, as well as Hayter and Singer, sidetracked in a rush to reach the screen.
If this film delivers on the promise of these oh-so-brief 109 pages, then we may well be ushering in a golden age of superheroes realized on film. Right now, there’s no doubt Sony is in the business for as long as they can ride out their successfully-launched franchise. I mean, they made the cover of TIME magazine this week, with a major story about what makes SPIDER-MAN so identifiable. Fox, though, is sitting on not one, not two, but THREE of these major properties. X-MEN 2 and DAREDEVIL are both coming next year, and their success could finally allow us to see THE FANTASTIC FOUR done right. Michael France’s original draft of that project still stands as the best superhero script ever written. At the time it was penned, it would have cost well over $175 million to bring to the screen. As these films become more profitable, though, technology becomes sharper, and the price of these films is actually becoming more manageable. I find this enormously encouraging.
There’s a lot of material in the script that I tapdanced around. There’s a lot of specific action beats that I didn’t describe. There are dozens and dozens of surprises that have been packed into the script that I would hate to ruin. All I know is... I’d love to be in Vancouver as this thing shoots. I’d love to see this cast and crew bringing this incredible vision to life. And next summer, I plan to be first in line to see what Singer manages to make of it all.
In the meantime, I have to go figure out why my tape recorder won’t play back my Art Linson interview properly, and I have to try and finish my RULES OF ATTRACTION review, and I have to hurry up and finish my Ebertfest pieces. Man... there’s a hell of a lot of work to do. Let me get out of here.
Hey folks, Harry here... from the sound of this script, it looks like they are either borrowing heavily from or have out and out adapted Clairemont's brilliant Graphic Novel: GOD LOVES, MAN KILLS... which is literally one of the all time best X-MEN stories ever written. Just fantastic. If so, then jump in the air celebration time. This wasn't just a showy action epic, but was amongst the best written Clairemont work committed to paper and into my collection. Here's the cover to refresh that mutie memory of yours...
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May 13, 2002, 11 a.m. CST
by fun guy
i really liked the x-men movie except the woman that played storm was all wrong and her lines were stupid. i hope this ones better
May 13, 2002, 11:05 a.m. CST
It was the worst thing about the movie (which I really enjoyed). They handled all the big moments pretty well, but when it came to intimate dialogue this was Phantom Menace time. Every scene between MJ and Peter reminded me of David Koepp's "touching" ice cream eating scene in Jurrasic Park. The only reason the movie is any good is because the Spider-Man origin is a good story, and Raimi didn't fuck it up.
May 13, 2002, 11:06 a.m. CST
God Loves, Man Kills. Singly one of the best X-men stories Chris Clairemont ever wrote. in fact, the villain was a Reverend Stryker, and his machinations to use Xavier and Cerebro as a weapon against Mutants forced the X-men to forge up with Magneto for a powerful ending. It sounds like this script is pulling a lot of material from that story. If you haven't read it, it was one of the first graphic novels Marvel put out in the mid eighties. This sounds fantastic. I just hope Halle Berry will not hold back production like media reports say.
May 13, 2002, 11:10 a.m. CST
This sounds like it takes a few cures from Claremont's staggering work of sequential-art genius "God Loves, Man Kills", a big unify-the-Xavier/Magneto one-shot that plunked the '80s X-Men into the heart of real life, race-relations and bible-thumping social issues. Anyway, it's great to see that a current script is aiming to go with the *ideas* at the heart of the X-Men mythology, and not the *trappings* (legacy, sentinel, Apocalypse). Just like how Spider-Man would have been a lot less poignant if the first film had also included Doc Ock, Robo-Gobby and Mysterio, the X-Men can benefit from a streamlined retelling of the crucial parts of its chronology even without every single character who haunted it. Though I do wish Beast and Colossus would make an appearance. :)
May 13, 2002, 11:14 a.m. CST
GLMK was a truly awesome comic. I'd always thought that it would be the best place to start for an X-Men movie and I'm really excited that they've decided to tackle it. In the same way that "The Dark Knight Returns" is a self-sufficient (but not unconnected) iconic and near-realistic rendering of the Batman world, "God Loves, Man Kills" is a shorthand for everything philosophical and social at the heart of 'The Strangest Teenagers of Them All'.
May 13, 2002, 11:30 a.m. CST
by Fuckleberry Hinn
Stryker was the maniacial televangelist from the God Loves, Man Kills X-Men graphic novel - the first X-Men story I ever read and it blew me away. What a great story! And Nightcrawler is my fave X-Man. This one should rock!
May 13, 2002, 11:32 a.m. CST
that is all i have to say
May 13, 2002, 11:35 a.m. CST
Yes! Yes! Yes! I realize it's hip to hate XMen now, but I loved the feel of the first film and the way Singer tried so hard to make things work in the "real world". If this script is 1/10 as good as Moriarty says, I'll be ecstatic.
May 13, 2002, 11:42 a.m. CST
by Johnny Storm
Goddamn right, Mo. This is a golden age for Marvel comics being made into film. From everything I've read it sounds like X2 and DD are in good hands. Not sure about the Hulk. But what this all means is that we're that much closer to a Fantastic Four movie! Let's pray that it's the next in line!
May 13, 2002, 11:44 a.m. CST
Granted, before I get started, I am behind in my X-Men comic reading. I haven't read them in a damn long time. But wasn't Stryker the name of Cable's alternate universe self (if you don't know who Cable or his parents are, you don't need to, potential spoiler) who caused insane amounts of chaos and poisoned Xavier?
May 13, 2002, 11:53 a.m. CST
by Ambush Bug
This sounds pretty good. I have to say that after hearing reports of squeezing the Legacy Virus, plus Sentinels, plus the Beast, plus god knows what into this script made me think that they were trying to put too much into this film. I like the idea of veering away from the comics while expanding the basic theme of the film. I still would love to see a filmic version of the Mutant Massacre someday, but until then, this film sounds like one to look out for. Like Spider-Man, now that the director is attached and supervising the script from the get go, I feel that these films (X2 and Spidey 2) have a better chance of being perfect and not the near perfectness we have seen. This script sounds good, but there is so much stuff in it. Singer is really going to have to tighten this one up so that it doesn't get out of hand. All of the little details are great, but if the film has to come to a screeching halt to show them, I would rather not see them at all. But I have faith in the makers of this project. The first film was satisfying despite its faults. Now that the door is open, the makers can really let loose. I can't wait. I think casting Tom Sizmore as the evil army guy is a great move. He does bad good. The scene with Mystique and Wolverine sounds classic. Hopefully, they will keep the same actors (sans Halle Berry, just throw the bitch out please and give the fans who they really want to see, Angela Bassett) as the major and minor characters like Kitty and Bobby, to keep the ball rolling from the first film without any clumsy transitions. So far, this looks promising. The future of comic films looks brighter than ever. I can't wait.
May 13, 2002, 12:02 p.m. CST
The first "Blade" sucked, while the sequel was an amusing way to spend two hours on a Sunday afternoon ... nothing more. "Spider-Man" was very good but not the home run it should have been (this despite the box office). However "X-Men" remains the VERY BEST of the recent comic book films. Singer's movie was everything comic book movies should be: exciting, cool and very, VERY smart. Kamen's score is much better than everybody made it out to be at the time of release (hope that rumor about the recutting and rescoring isn't true). Best of all, they absolutely NAILED the two most crucial characters to that film -- Wolverine and Magneto. Hugh and Ian took those two-dimensional icons and made them 100 percent flesh and blood. (You came oh-so-close Tobey, oh-so-close...) Only complaints: a little too short and not quite epic enough. It sounds like with "X-Men 2" (God...I fucking hate the "X2" moniker), Singer will correct those small faults and give us something that could rival "Superman" as the greatest comic film of all time. Here's hoping...
May 13, 2002, 12:11 p.m. CST
Admittedly, I'm a big ol' softie for the X-Men franchise. Having a script like this can get one's fan boy juices flowing. Singer in his own right has accomplished something few other comic translation directors have: he has successfully allowed new storylines to be born out of an old mythology. Despite all that could go wrong with the plethora of characters running around, he manages to stay true to characters while having them engage in stories outside Marvel continuity. While that might make me wretch in the hands of other tallent (Joel Schumacher call your office) with Singer I'm more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt.____________________________ Now all this aside, I not Moriarty doesn't mention that Stryker is actually apart of the Friends of Humanity domestic terrorist group in the Marvel continuity. Again, Singer manages to place characters in different roles while maintaining their motivation. While I, along with many fans, might roll our eyes at the "mind control" angle of the script (much as we did with the mutant converting machine) that's one thing I can forgive. So here's to hoping for another successful X-Men film. One nagging question however: If Singer's only going to talk about Sentiniels and we're not going to see any, does this mean we'll have to wait for the third "grand finale" of the triology? Moreover, does this also mean we won't see a Dark Phoenix? Anyone care to comment?__________________________ Oh and BTW Moriarty, I thought it kind cool how you're educating your gf on the Star Wars mythology, as that's exactly what I've been doing just this past weekend, with 'Empire' no less. How cool is that?
May 13, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST
For getting me excited. Your Ep. II review has me excited about SW, this has me believing that X-Men 2 will be (well) twice the movie the first was. The set pieces sound amazing and, hey, we might actually get a two hour movie this time around! That said: Spider-Man was awesome, and despite Koepp's awful dialogue, Maguire, Dunst, heck, everyone did their best with great performances to sell it. Watching Spider-Man this weekend was like being at ground zero, what some thought the reception of Fellowship was going to be like (even me). Audience response was huge, as Raimi hooked us and had us going with him from the get-go. Don't get me wrong: I loved Fellowship like I love Tolkien's books, but Spider-Man definitely proves to be of a similar populist specie to the first Star Wars trilogy. Anyway, hearing that X-Men 2 rolles in a month, with (I hope beyond hope) something like this script in place, makes me so happy. Attack of the Clones, The Two Towers, Hulk, X-Men 2, Matrix Sequels, The Return of the King, Spider-Man 2: what a great three years for BIG movie-making with soul.
May 13, 2002, 12:44 p.m. CST
Hey, Moriarty? What's with you and Desanto? 500 freakin' people work on a movie, and he's the genius with all the masterstrokes. Nobody else ever made a movie before this guy stumbles into the business? TGFD(esanto). Maybe the 1st X would've kicked MORE ass without his genius. From what I've heard, he's been AWOL on this one. You mean the script is great without his input? Aaaccckkk!!! Cognitive dissonance!?!?! Does not compute!?!?!? Does not compute!?!?!? Does not compute!?!?!? Does not compute!?!?!? Does not comp [MESSAGE INTERRUPTED]
May 13, 2002, 12:45 p.m. CST
I'm relatively new here, what does "BAMF" stand for?
May 13, 2002, 12:52 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
That mountain climber who wrote CLIFFHANGER which France, studio story analyst, put his name on? Let's see, if a mountain climber wrote France's CLIFFHANGER, maybe a superhero wrote THE FANTASTIC FOUR. I'd like to see France collaborate with Randy "Stole JINGLE ALL THE WAY" Kornfeld on something. Think of what they could rip off together.
May 13, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST
Bamf is the sound made when Kurt Wagner aka Nightcrawler teleports, to the talkbacker who asked. I was expecting more new characters than his and Pyro, though, although an increased role for Iceman will be cool. This whole thing looks cool. Thank god for the new era of comic book movies!! Woo-Ha!!
May 13, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST
The first X-men movie brought me to this site. I wanted to know everything. All the info, and how it was gonna work out. I followed every step by coming here. I'm glad they are on the case now. It's why everyone comes to this site, like them or not.
May 13, 2002, 4:21 p.m. CST
Seriously though....the only people to have ever brought any real justice to the X-Men franchise outside of Marvel, would be those crazy-minded 5'1" folks at Capcom, Japan. No, seriously!!!!!!!!!
May 13, 2002, 4:30 p.m. CST
by Sod Off Baldric
Man...'Airplane' was such a great movie. What? This isn't a story about another sequel to 'Airplane?' X-who? Oh! X-Men 2! Okay...looking forward to this, as I thought the first one was very good. Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart need to have more scenes together in this one, though. They are INTENSE together.
May 13, 2002, 5:46 p.m. CST
by Silvio Dante
X3:The Days Of The Future Past. Nuff said.
May 13, 2002, 5:53 p.m. CST
He's a good man. But I don't think I'll ever get over Nacho Grande. sk
May 13, 2002, 6:27 p.m. CST
If some mutants die, I guess we'll see Cypher, Blink and Thunderbird die in the battle. I wish at least they are introduced BEFORE, in order to make the audience CARE for them.
May 13, 2002, 6:41 p.m. CST
Once again Moriarty, you demonstrate why you are the best reviewer on Talkback if not online. Your well-rounded and thought out comments reflect your ability to get to the gist of what we all want to hear and know about without ruining the potential to be surprised when this hits the big screen. Thanks again.
May 13, 2002, 6:43 p.m. CST
by Chilli Kramer
was because it stood for Blue Ass Mother Fuc... you get the picture. I can prove this. I love the sound of this script, not overdoing it, staying low key and not going towards being overblown. The problem I have with the Dark Phoenix story for X3 is that it could easily be overdone. Not that I disagree with spending money on making it look good, but if try to they make every set overwhelming, it starts to get tacky. Think of the He-Man movie, that was meant to be epic but was tacky as hell. Looks like this franchise is on steady ground. Though I do wonder about what kinda role Rogue has, because we all know Anna can act, and she should have more to do...
May 13, 2002, 6:56 p.m. CST
I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande. And to the first poster, the name of Cable's alter ego/clone thingy was Stryfe. Word up. Spidey rules, yo.
May 13, 2002, 7:03 p.m. CST
by Insane Tiki
Man, I was so worried about X-Men 2 (or "X2"). I'd heard all the rumours of human Sentinels, the Legacy virus, etc.... THANK GOD!! I mean, Nightcrawler?! Danger Room? Weapon X? YES!! YES YES YES YES YES!!! If this is the movie that gets made, consider my ass in that theater. Finally, Hollywood has learned what makes comic books work - its not the actions scenes (which are cool) or the costumes (which are cool), anyone who's seen Spider-Man knows that they finally nailed it - THE CHARACTERS! THE STORY! Comic books haven't survived for so long by just having guys in tights smash things. There's drama, real drama here, and if the people making these movies have finally realized that... well, seriously, thank God.
May 13, 2002, 7:10 p.m. CST
After his glowing review of the Tomb Raider script, we all saw what happened to it in the end. Personally, I find it difficult to get too excited about a screenplay, particularly one for a big, costly summer film. These movies are highly prone to studio interference, and sequels suffer from it even more. The temptation to play it safe becomes overwhelming, and the dumbing down commences. Hopefully, Marvel's success thus far will hold the temptation back, but I'm not sure it's quite time to jump in the air and pump our fists. Harry is right about "God Loves, Man Kills", though. I'm not a big Clairmont fan, but that is a great piece of graphic storytelling.
May 13, 2002, 7:16 p.m. CST
Okay, I just had to express my opinion, considering how many countless hours and hours I've spent speculating on the next movie. Considering that the first movie seemed to have foreshadowing of Days of Future Past (the Mutant Registration bill), Dark Phoenix (Jean-Grey not having tapped her potential; Jean-grey not yet having the code name Phoenix), etc, etc, I've wondered and worried endlessly about how they would fit all those stories in. // And now it seems they're departing from the comics completely. // And I'm thrilled. // I loved the first X-men movie because it wasn't about simplistic and cliched "good vs. evil" (a l
May 13, 2002, 7:19 p.m. CST
by BEARison Ford
i probably shouldnt even bring it up but since i already saw someone ONCE AGAIN suggest angela bassett to be recast as storm, fuck it. LISTEN. she's FORTY FUCKING FOUR years old ok? it WON'T work and will NEVER happen to stop harping on it. give halle berry a bigger role and i assure you she'll make it her own.
May 13, 2002, 7:25 p.m. CST
Can't wait. This movie sounds really promising. Let's not go into a state of ecstasy until Summer 2003, though. After all, a lot of things can be changed. And I really wouldn't like to see these properties fast tracked to the silver screen. FOX, push back that release date! As for the whole Halle Berry thing, she's damn fine, but she needs to be a little less selfish. I think she's gives off a very 'movie star' vibe, and not in a good way. I'd still like to see her in the movie. I hate when new actors pop up a la the Batman movies. And it's not like she's a bad actress, even though the accent was a little wince-inducing. I think without the infamous "toad & lightning" bit, she would have been fine as Storm. ************** ********************************** As for the Fantastic Four, I keep hearing about how great this Michael France script is. I've never heard any details about it, but if it's the real deal, then I think 20th Century Fox should stick with it. FF is a movie that deserves to be done right. I don't care if Raja Gosnell/generic "Buffy" writer/flavor-of-the-month is willing to take the reins, people have been waiting a long time for this one, and if FOX delivers, it could be huge. Fans will love them for going through Development Hell and back to pull a great film out of Satan's ass, and what with one more Star Wars, X-Men, Daredevil, and then the FF in question, they could be sitting on four blockbusters which would really boost their own status among film studios. I know that show business is over-simplified by people outside of the loop, but it stands to reason that risking money and time to get the film done right will ultimately be more profitable than making a stale popcorn flick. FF is such a fantastic (no pun intended) property, PLEEEEEEEZE don't screw it up!
May 13, 2002, 7:28 p.m. CST
by jasper Stillwell
...and Steven Lang, the orbiting SHEILD platform AND Hank McCoy but if this is all put aside for intelligent characterization, adult, witty dialogue and something with a bit of meat on it's bones who am I to argue? Saying that it'd be nice to lose that slight, 'TV-movie' look that I think marred the original and belied it's rushed circumstances. Now Raimi's raised the game this can only mean a healthy competition from all the other adaptions to match 'im.
May 13, 2002, 7:30 p.m. CST
by Lt. Torello
...You way overpraised "Spiderman" and "AOTC," both films featuring lots of eye candy and FX, but middling scripts, so your screenwriting opinions don't quite carry the same weight they once did.
May 13, 2002, 7:38 p.m. CST
by Klam Bake
I was extremely happy to see Steve Ditko get a credit for the work he had done for Spider-Man. Even though the second half the film should have earned a credit for Conway, Kane and Romita as well. My question is since X2 is lifting it's story line and characters from GLMK, will Chris Claremont and Brent Eric Anderson get credit for their hard work?
May 13, 2002, 7:39 p.m. CST
Minded, we have Nightcrawler this time around but dam! I was looking for some new characters introduced into the film. Gambit and Beast would have been perfect. What they are doing with these characters in that review sounds alot better this time around. I do agree with the God, Man comparison as well. I still don't understand things they decided to go with the first time. What pressured Singer to make Jean Grey as some sort of doctor/professor/mutant physician character? There's gotta be some basic continuity being followed here. As far as Storm I never was a big fan of Halle Berry, but if she's given a better script she'll do a better job. Storm was never a punk ass pushover like the way she was depicted in the first flick. Give us our strong mutant goddess!! And leave the Lil' Kim wig at home this time too. Good shit as far as everything else. thanks Mo!
May 13, 2002, 7:44 p.m. CST
...Halle Berry as Storm. I KNEW when she won her Oscar that her attitude would change about X-men 2. Remember this was the woman who said she was "reduced" to playing a comic book character because of Hollywood's racist views toward black actors. Was Michael Keaton or Val Kilmer "reduced" to playing Batman? Or was Tobey Maguire "reduced" to playing Spider-man? She's a fucking idiot. I don't remember her complaining about how she was reduced to playing a comic book character in an earlier movie, The Flintstones. Halle Berry has a history of running her mouth without thinking. As proof, one need only look at her hysterical, self-important Oscar acceptance speech. Fox...Singer...CUT YOUR LOSSES now! Let her out of her contract for any X-men sequels! Find someone who would actually respect the material (and probably save yourself millions in the process). If you can't find an A-list star, go with a lesser-known or even unknown actress. Hugh Jackman camae out of nowhere and nailed it. So much so that I can't I'm glad that the higher-profiler actors who were talked about for the role didn't get it. At any rate, it's obvious that Halle really doesn't want this role and now that she's an "Oscar winning" actress, I don't see her becoming proud of this role any time soon. SHE MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS!!!!
May 13, 2002, 7:45 p.m. CST
I really enjoyed X-Men 1. It had its weaknesses, of course, but given the huge amount of exposition necessary to get novices up to speed, it was amazing how good it ended up being. For me, the final scene was a letdown, but there were several really terrific moments, which give me great hope about what they can do this time, less tied to exposition and more free to take chances. Already X-Men was my favorite comic-book adaptation, and ranked right up there just beneath my all-time favorite action movies. I can't wait for the sequel! I just worry that the monumental success of Spiderman doesn't encourage them to emulate that movie too much. I didn't hate Spiderman, but X-Men 1 was the better movie by a margin.
May 13, 2002, 7:56 p.m. CST
Marvel is kickin ass with puttin quality films of their comics out there, finally getting it right and not following the road of the Batman/ superman movies, giving the fans what they really want! stick to the format!! Hey DC if your peeps are keeping up with the score, i see Marvel in the lead by a HUGE margin, start pushin to get those properties out there again. Let's see a Batman year one or Dark Knight Returns (future bats) I'd kill to see a batman beyond on the fast track, its not so hard. see what marvel is doing? How about a new superman? Green Lantern? Marvel is floodin the freakin market with their films and kickin so much ass its not even funny. i want a new Batman all the way, and superman. *huff, huff* ohk Just my rant oh yeah Moriarty, u rock man, kick ass review, i can't wait to hear more about this amazing film and more about the characters that will appear. But i also like the DC books and i'd love to see some of their stuff out there for me to see. Comics are hot properties, times to reap in some of the benefits ya?
May 13, 2002, 7:58 p.m. CST
If they make this movie the way MORIARTY has described the script it will easily make 120 million in the first weekend and will be a great spring board to HULK, DareDevil, and Fantastic Four. I hope that the studio doesnt get to cute rewriting the script.
May 13, 2002, 8:01 p.m. CST
What? And playing a bond girl is so much more sophisticated and suited to an Oscar winner than Storm?
May 13, 2002, 8:13 p.m. CST
All I really wanted to say was...why doesn't Hayter write a great treatment for a "Metal Gear" movie? It would get the gamers, the middle-aged Clancyphile crowd (if marketed correctly), the mechamaniacs, and damn near everyone on this site. Help me out here. Has this movie idea even gotten vague interest? They're making a "Crazy Taxi" and a "Dead or Alive" movie, but no "Metal Gear"?! What the fuck is that? Gee, I thought the idea was to put money into something that will make money back. Oh, and has Vin Diesel been signed for the "State of Emergency" movie yet? Zero props to all you fuck-ups who bought that game so you could live out your Fred Durst "Break Stuff" fantasies. It's your money, and, hey, I guess playing "Ico" while Puddle of Mudd and Godsmack suck away on your Fisher Price portable stereo WOULD be a bit incongruent, hunh? Oh, no, I just saw Dwanye Johnson and Vin Diesel standing back-to-back, grimacing at the camera, Easton bats in hand for the S.O.E. teaser poster. "It's (not) funny 'cause it's true."-Homer.
May 13, 2002, 8:13 p.m. CST
When are we going to see The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay onscreen? Jason Schwartzman for Sammy.
May 13, 2002, 8:14 p.m. CST
by The Joker
This sounds GREAT! I was worried about the whole stupid idea of The Legacy Virus being written into this movie, mainly because X-Men has blown since about 1992, and I didn't want a plotline from this period. I hope Fox sees this for the success it sure sounds like, because this sounds like it'd be better than Spidey. DAMN this is good news.
May 13, 2002, 8:19 p.m. CST
I liked your preview and hope that your right. I have unfortunetaly never read the 'GOD LOVES, MAN KILLS' book you refer too, but the military assault story line you described sounds alot like the wonderful Weapon X Project story line in Ultimate X-Men(which is a great book btw). One thing I've always wondered is why don't they get the guys who write the books to write the scripts for the Marvel movies? You've got some great talent like: Kevin Smith ('Daredevil', 'Green Arrow', upcoming 'Amazing Spider-Man'), J. Michael Straczynski (Amazing Spider-Man, Rising Stars), Brian Michael Bendis (Ultimate Spider-Man, Daredevil, Powers) Grant Morrison(New X-Men) All of these guys are extremely good writers, wonderful understanding of the source material, and a great body of work to back up both claims. Hell, two of them are arguably among the best ground breaking writers in film and tv respectively(Chasing Amy, and Babylon 5 anyone?). So, why aren't these guys writing the Marvel movies?
May 13, 2002, 8:36 p.m. CST
From a friend on the X2 team ## Tom DeSanto is returning to the production later this month. Mark my words it's almost a done deal behind the scenes. He's too modest to say anything yet since the fucking scriptwriters were fired and the production is messed up. [Like AICN cares.] Screw the Sentinels. He wanted them in another film, but not X2. They don't factor into things right now. Let this movie set the stage for their appearance. Things are about to change for the better!! DeSanto should have done BATTLESTAR GALACTICA though. Fucking SciFi channel and their #%@&* priorities!!!!!! Hope DeSanto has the last laugh someday. I signed all of the petitions on battlestargalactica.com so I hope he gets a chance someday. AICN, where's your coverage of that?!?!?! DeSanto was robbed!!
May 13, 2002, 8:47 p.m. CST
I kinda hope that is where 'bamf' came from. It's funny. This script sounds bloody outstanding, it's good to see they've accepted that Wolverine is a brutal sonofabitch, and that his loyalties are tested. I just hope he doesn't go all "Oh, I didn't mean to kill him, I'm so sorry." Of course, the studio will do their best to turn this to shit. Let's just hope Singer comes out on top. Halle Berry need to remove her head from her ass, or remove her signature from the contract for this film. Ten years ago, Angela Bassett as Storm would have rocked my ass, but now it seems to me they should get a talented unknown who has the dignity and strength Storm should.
May 13, 2002, 8:50 p.m. CST
by fun guy
hey i think we should do one of those petition online things to tell them to get somebody else to play storm. shes a fuckin bitch. have you ever seen the tv show show called tough enough. there is a big old woman of african descent on that show that could be storm in the new movie. or maybe jacqueline from WWF
May 13, 2002, 8:56 p.m. CST
by fun guy
angela basset isn't too old. whoopi goldberg would be a bad choice. jada pinkett smith maybe. no maybe not. anyway the movie will probably be good with or without halle berry.
May 13, 2002, 8:58 p.m. CST
by THE PROFESSOR
May 13, 2002, 9:01 p.m. CST
Mimi Rogers! Ah, yes! I can see it now. Or have her play Juggernaut. Hell, I'm easy to please.
May 13, 2002, 9:04 p.m. CST
Tired of those damn Palestinians! :P ___X-men needed more action and more of a budget; it seemed rushed. I agree they should take their time and not try to redo spidey's 2 monster may weekends-X-men aren't universally recognizable icons like spidey. I'd like to see Collosses and the Juggernaught done;and I'd like to see them sack up and do the REAL costumes instead of those lame ass Tom of Finland biker homo black ones they wore in the first one. they already look ridiculous, go for broke! fuck it! X-men's $157M was Geek money anyway!
May 13, 2002, 9:33 p.m. CST
And she will be great in the sequel as well. Also, guys, keep in mind you don't know if Angela Basset wants to play Storm . Just because you want na actress for Storm doesn't mean she is willing to play, or that she can get along with the director, staff ,and others actors. SInce ms. Berry one an Oscar for best actress, it is Singer who should feel honored ot have her on board.
May 13, 2002, 9:47 p.m. CST
great concept-- But until shooting starts,we'd better just hope for the best...
May 13, 2002, 9:56 p.m. CST
When I saw that this review was on the site, I prayed to God that it was good. For once he actually gave me a break!! Words can not express the blood-curdling screams of pleasure I vocalized while reading this review. I bet my parents are mad . . .
May 13, 2002, 10:11 p.m. CST
That's precisely the problem with Halle: she shares your high opinion of her. She is of the view that this sad, sorry, little superhero flick should be glad that someone of her caliber has deigned to star in it. The problem is, while she may have been great in Monster's Ball, she was atrocious in the first one. Think about someone like Angela Bassett doing the role: even with the underdeveloped script, it would have been possible to bring an air of strength and dignity to the character. Halle just stood around looking wide-eyed and befuddled. All wrong. The "at least I've chosen a side" line was delivered like she was saying "Here are some clean towels, Logan. Your room's down the hall." It should have been far more assertive, agressive even. Ororo believes strongly in Xavier's dream (her devotion to the Morlocks means she was even more willing than others to put herself on the line for those beliefs), and is more than willing to stand up for her beliefs. Bear in mind that while she may have won an Oscar, so has Anna Paquin (at age twelve, no less) and she managed to take the film and her character seriosuly. Ian McKellen has been one of England's most acclaimed actors for forty years. Did he take the attitude that Singer was 'lucky to have him'? Hell no, he was glad to have the chance to play a character like Magneto, and devoted a whole section of his website to the film. Now that's class. Halle Berry is a movie star; McKellen, Jackman, Stewart, Paquin, and Jansen are actors.
May 13, 2002, 10:20 p.m. CST
by Village Idiot
I did not like X-Men. Personally, I didn't feel it did the material justice: *the more fantastic comic book conventions were sucked out of it*, and the result was a small, gray film; a dour version of the 80's Courtney Cox TV vehicle "Misfits of Science." It wasn't really a comic book movie. Of course, I recognize that many of you LOVED X-Men, and that many of you appreciate it for the very thing that I'm complaining about. Perhaps you feel that material was more palatable with more verisimilitude. But I would argue that imagination and depth of narrative are not mutually exclusive, and that *emotional* versimilude is always in reach and need not be compromised by fantasy. As a film, Superman realized this. So did Spider-Man. Between the Spider-Man "let's do it like the comic" approach and the X-Men "let's do it like they taught in film school" approach, personally, I prefer the latter.______And can you believe that that was all preface for my next remark? The long and the short of it is, I detected nothing from that script review that indicated that X-Men 2 would necessarily be more to my liking.
May 13, 2002, 10:30 p.m. CST
I think its clever for the marvel movies to be unique from the comicbook. I hope they let Rouge have flying abilities!!!
May 13, 2002, 10:30 p.m. CST
Theres something concerning me about the Hulk trailer. Banners only wearing a towel when he hulks out. I think this movie is promising with the FX and all, but I don't wanna see a big green naked guy running around knocking cars out of the way with his giant green balls. Thats disturbing. I hope Ang Lee knows what hes doing here. X2 sounds good coming from "THAT" script. If that becomes the basis for the movie, it will indeed be awesome, if it looks like it is described.
May 13, 2002, 10:35 p.m. CST
Yes I know it was a popular joke in the first movie. But I actually still believe that one of the biggest failings of the X1 was the biker look costumes. Don't get me wrong, I very much enjoyed the movie and my kids loved it. But I actually believe that it started a trend that is ruining the comic for the audience it was originally intended for -- kids. The costumes in the comics are now modeled after what was in the movie. Most of the stories are darker, more disturbing, and geared towards adults. The X-Men characters are no longer really even heroes. When I was a kid, I collected the X-Men comics. It was a fantastical world with heroes in brightly colored costumes and amazing, almost magical powers. Now, my 10-year-old son who collects comics, action figures and statues (and still is mad at me for selling my comics, which included almost the full run of X-Men up to that point, when I was 16 to buy a car), has lost interest in the X-Men comics, prefering the more traditional heroes. If the success of Spider-Man has proven anything, it showed that the audience, young and old, male and female, would accept grown men and women in spandex if done right. Also, the audience would accept a "super hero" that could do exactly what he/she was created to do (Storm should have been able to fly, not just float). I believe there should have been a way to take the colorful,costumes and make them hip, cool and functional -- like high-tech combat suits, (not necessarily spandex) instead of just copping out on the black biker look. Costumes have been an integral part of creating the mythology and fantastical worlds these characters inhabit. Comic fans have never wanted heroes in business suits or jeans and t-shirts. They've always wanted costumes. Or even imagine "Star Trek" with everyone in the same boring uniform. The film's production designer and art director, should have had a field day designing the X-men costumes. Instead they played it safe because I believe they were worried about the audience not taking them seriously. Of course Singer had to walk a tightrope in creating a movie that could be taken seriously, and who can argue with $150 million domestic box office, except it is possible that it could have been more if the world that was created was so fantastical that mainstream audiences would want to visit it again and again (which appears to be the case with Spider-Man and has always been the case with Star Wars), rather than just a one-off of our world. Nevertheless, with the clout and credibility he's gotten from making X1, I would encourage Singer to allow his costume designers and open up their color palettes and create second generation costumes that are not just cookie cutter black leather, but that could be fantastical, functional, high-tech, battle-ready, and colorful. They don't have to be bright yellow spandex, but a gifted art director could really do something special with each of the costumes this next time around. And also, just like with Spider-Man it would be great to allow the characters to have the full range of their powers as in the comics, let Bobby be able to transform into an Ice Man, let Pyro be able to create and shape flames, etc. The CGI guys should also be able to have a field day, not only with creating the powers, but with having cyber-actors that will look cool. The difference is that Spider-Man worked to bring a superhero comic to life (not in the hokey way the dreadful Batman2, 3, & 4 movies did), whereas X-Men was more along the lines of "what if there were these people, mutants, who actually lived in our world..." While the script sounds like ot could be a lot of fun, I think it's also an opportunity to really push the creative envelope. Anyway, I guess we'll all see in '03.
May 13, 2002, 10:35 p.m. CST
I just remembered, Iron Man is comign to film too. Might be promising with FX, decent acting, and a good storyline. Keyword here is "MIGHT"
May 13, 2002, 10:46 p.m. CST
Not only was he wearing just a towel in the teaser, but reports say he's 15-20 feet tall. OK now, think about this for a second fellas. If the Hulk is 15-20 feet tall and still keeps relative HULK proportions, what pants in the world could possibly hope to contain the HULK? One of the reports already says that one of the scenes involves banner waking up after a HULK rampage and finding himself naked and shivering on the street! Will clever Austin Powers style editing be used to, um, hide the HULK? These are serious concerns, if there's any sort of HULK nudity involved, it better be of the She-Hulk! 'nuff said
May 13, 2002, 10:47 p.m. CST
I hardly think that just because the X-Men wore black means they're "not really even heroes anymore." Sure, the comics are more morally ambiguous now, but the truth is kids don't read comics so much anymore. The target audience really is grown-ups, people who have expected their characters to reflect their growing (if rather dubious) level of maturity. Just my two cents. I agree that the costumes could have been adapted into something functional but still reminiscent of the original designs. Although, with the exception of Wolverine, they've all had a ridiculous number of totally different costumes; it's not like Cyclops' costume circa Jim Lee is any more iconic than the X-Factor costume he wore in the eighties.
May 13, 2002, 11 p.m. CST
Let me tell you, Mike France wrote cliffhanger, not some dumbass lying shit head mountain climber. I know the facts (and the man) very well and after Mike worked up a 10 page pitch treatment for a few slimey producers, no one bothered to ever call him or pay him for the work. So after being stiffed for months he sat down and wrote the damn thing. A young agent got a hold of it, sent it to Carolco who happened to have a play or pay deal with Stallone and Renny H. and had no movie to stick them in. Cliffhanger landed on the desk and bam - problem solved. Only when that script sold did all the roaches come out of the woodwork. Those fucking con artists not only took all of Mike's production bonus but caused him years of reputational harm. Amazing how slime seems to seek its own level.
May 13, 2002, 11:03 p.m. CST
I'm sure Moriarty won't tell because Lauren D. probably slipped him hers. Not bad publicity when the script is actually good. She also oversaw Constantine, which contrary to bogus reports here, was a very good script.
May 13, 2002, 11:12 p.m. CST
Whatever happened to Sarah Purcell?
May 13, 2002, 11:36 p.m. CST
by The Killer-Goat
Call Halle Berry's bluff and get Iman or Naomi Campbell (yes I know, both models like Rebecca Stamos/Mystique) to fill her spot. As Moriarty said, Halle didn't have/do much to make Storm's role her own, so dumping her ego now could allow someone fresh to the role with minimal character loss. However, I'm happy that rather than using long-extended, overly-convoluted, now-stagnant storylines like Sentinels or Legacy, they opted to focus on a very down-to-earth single-shot story graphic novel. Really good choice, as it appeases the hardcore AND softcore fans for not being so wacky and potentially difficult to transfer to film, but having a great amount of balanced drama, which is what they did right with the first film. ******************Pathawk: I honestly wonder how many comic writers are willing to put themselves through Hollywood-Hell for the final payoff, when they have more control over their current medium. Kevin Smith has already done Hollywood and come out relatively unscathed to switch gears from movie back to comic. The X-men FILM is a totally different beast from the comics, similarities only being character features, histories, and personas (somewhat). But a lot of changes keep it from being the true and ultimate "comicbook adaption" film. I strongly believe that since Singer and Co. wisely avoided dealing with anyone's 'origins' (Rogue's maybe, but even Magneto just got a flashback) everything worked out fine storywise, and the fans were forgiving of minor alterations. Spiderman is the only recent film I can think of as a close "origin" adaption that succeeded so well. There are countless stories to superheros, but each has only ONE origin (barring John Byrne's multi-verses) to define the character, and Hollywood has a history of dis-respecting that. I fully expect Hulk will (regrettably) be a different origin altogether, but may have wider reception because of Ang Lee's touch.
May 13, 2002, 11:39 p.m. CST
Moriarty - man - what the fuck? x-men 2 sounds great, but you really put Blade 2 above x-men? You put Blade 2 above Blade? Spiderman above them all - granted - but Blade 2, while it did kick some ass, had nothing in the way of a villain. That vaginal-mouthed baldy over Stephen Dorff? No way.... Oh yeah - so I'm probably just a moron for not knowing already - but who's up to play Nightcrawler?
May 13, 2002, 11:55 p.m. CST
a.k.a. Scott Summers? The main reason I didn't care much for the 1st X-Men movie is because of what they did to Cyclops (not to mention Storm). In the comics, Cyke is perhaps the most tragic of the X-Men, the guy who had it the roughest growing up, the true outcast of the group. In the movie, he is portrayed as some jerk-off in Oakleys not even worthy of our sympathy (quote Wolverine, "You're a dick." Laughter from audience). I appreciate the inclusion of Nightcrawler/ Kurt Wagner, but if they don't get Scott Summer's persona right this time, then in my opinion (which is right most of the time), X-Men 2 will suck as much as the 1st. And don't even get me started on Storm. There's 2 cents for ya.
May 14, 2002, 12:30 a.m. CST
but she'll never do it.
May 14, 2002, 1:18 a.m. CST
Nona Gaye is a younger Angela - She's be perfect. Watchowskis recognize as well...
May 14, 2002, 1:23 a.m. CST
it was promised that there would NOT be *another* x-men dvd release. shame on them for falling victim to the army-of-darkness-keep-releasing-dvds-as-long-as-morons-keep-buying-them routine
May 14, 2002, 1:31 a.m. CST
by Voice O. Reason
Sorry, but I really don't see the simularities between "God Loves, Man Kills" and this version of the X-Men 2 script. "GL, MK" was about a televangelist (this was the 80's, after all) who was preaching against mutants. The big showdown between the X-Men and the televagelist on was on live TV, and in Claremont tradition was filled with tons of preachy dialogue. There was an anti-mutant sniper squad, but no big assault on the mansion.
May 14, 2002, 1:34 a.m. CST
May 14, 2002, 1:58 a.m. CST
let Gambit show up in X-Men 2, I was so disapointed when there was no Gambit in the first one. If there is a god, well see some canjun ass kickin soon.
May 14, 2002, 2:05 a.m. CST
You're thinking Stryfe, dude . . . Stryfe is Cable's double who decided to infect Xavier with the techno-organic virus way back in the "X-ecutioner's Song" storyline (or maybe it was "X-ecutioner's Saga"; I don't remember. And I might have spelled X-ecutioner wrong . . . ). Anyway . . . hope that helped.
May 14, 2002, 2:45 a.m. CST
I love this site, but the script reviews seem very pointless to me. It seems too much like reviewing a book by reading it's back cover or reviewing how well a car rides by looking at a cut-out from the Sunday newspaper. Or maybe I'm just an old crumudgen. :)
May 14, 2002, 2:48 a.m. CST
Sorry, Singer was wrong for the X-Men and still is...I'll wait to see what develops before getting all excited over this one...X-Men was sub-par and the sequels to first movies, except in RARE cases, are usually dreck...not looking forward to this one but I hope to be proven wrong.
May 14, 2002, 3:03 a.m. CST
by Silvio Dante
This will be a dynamite show. But Halle Berry not coming across like Storm should is more director's than actress' fault. So even if she's been acting all hi & mity lately, blame where the blame is due.
May 14, 2002, 5:09 a.m. CST
i just hope that the studios dont get themselves into a circle-jerk after the well deserved success of spiderman... REMEMBER the "Punisher" and "Captain America" made shortly after Batman in '89 .studio execs musta blew a load in thier faces trying to jump on that bandwagon,but ended up with only blisters in thier hands, my only hope is that the studios dont end up trying to imitating themselves by doing what they did in the early 90's by turning subpar scripts into subpar movies based on potentially excellent characters, just to cash in on the success of one movie (yeah i know blade and xmen are considered successes...but not a possible trendstarter like spidey)'nuff said
May 14, 2002, 5:28 a.m. CST
Mori, please do not start out with a play-by-play and then stop. drop a few spoilers here and there, or just give us the whole thing, please. *** Halle Berry was not, in my opinion, a good choice to play Storm. Her accent was terrible, and her performance was just...ugh. I do not think Angela Bassett would be a good choice either. Actually, I was not really impressed with ANY of the performances in the movie with the exception of Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellan. Hopefully the actors (with the exclusion of Berry) will be able to do more with them in the sequel. *** "Blue Ass Mother F-----" ??? uh.... ok. *** As for the story... Its ok I guess. Better than to use that than some of the UNGODLY long storylines that were constantly re-written.
May 14, 2002, 6:32 a.m. CST
What the hell was Jubilee doing in the first film in the first place? Lack of continuity is what I call it, just like that suck-ass cartoon that is on TV. Even the older carton got it wrong. Stay true, true believers and let us love our classic X-Men.
May 14, 2002, 7:15 a.m. CST
let's all hope and pray that the studios will finally, after years of abuse, let the creators and artists do their job correctly. I DARE THE STUDIOS TO LET THIS HAPPEN AS IS ! I just hope to come out of the movie with an absolute certainty that everything in the movie was perfect. Sounds like it could happen. Make an effort on the dialogue : Toads do the same thing as everything else when hit by lightning ? Is Storm sure she saw what she saw when senator Kelly died ? Sheeeshhh... Tune those few details and I'll throw away all religion to devote myself totally body and soul to geekdom. Amen. MAKE THIS HAPPEN !
May 14, 2002, 8:31 a.m. CST
by Brooklyn Bred
X-Men was boring and unimaginative. Blade was action packed from open to finish. You can't even compare the two. X-Men looked like it should be on the WB after Gilmore Girls.
May 14, 2002, 8:33 a.m. CST
by jak flash 2000
Sounds interesting. Gee, if only I had a copy of the script so that I could judge it (hint, hint). This sonds like everything a sequal should be. Bigger better and more action packed with a cool storyline to boot. I only ask that the film-makers take their time, and make the sequal the way it should be made. I hope Fox gives Singer the money to make this movie. Fox ripped off Singer and company for the first movie. They cut the money and the deadline down and we were left with a goo movie. Good not great or excellent or a masterpiece. Now the time has come to make a sequal. But, above all of that, make it the way it should be made. Good luck Singer and crew. And PS. I do hope that Desanto returns again as he knows whats good for us. PPS, Hayter you were great in the film "Drive".
May 14, 2002, 9:39 a.m. CST
May 14, 2002, 9:54 a.m. CST
by Lord Wormm
Does it not bother anyone else that Michael Clarke Duncan is BLACK and he is playing a character who has always and forever been...a huge bald white man!?! I mean...it is bad enough that Ben Affleck is Matt Murdock...but really...do you need to change Kingpin that drastically????? What are they thinking? Daredevil could have rocked...That is like (in my opinion) making a BLACK PANTHER movie where T'Challa is a white man!!!!!! Hmmm...let's make Superman again...this time Superman will be played by Ming Na Wen and Lex Luthor will be played by Yaphet Kotto!!!!! Come on people! Stay true to the beloved material you are USING!!! Let's make Tom Sawyer (or Huck fin...who know's...I'm illiterate!) and make the character who was written as a black slave...let's make him a white guy with giant muscles and a fetish for furs!!! What the...? WHY!!! WHY??? Let's petition to get Michael Clarke Duncan kicked off DAREDEVIL...let him play Killer Croc in Batman 5? SOMETHING ELSE...ANYTHING ELSE...next thing you know he will turn up as Mr. Friggin' Mxyzptlk!!!!! ARGH! Sincerely, The Powerless one!
May 14, 2002, 10:27 a.m. CST
by Crazy Fresh DJ
were an important band to the Australian pub rock scene, pioneers, almost. Good to see they're getting a movie made about them. Its been long overdue, but worth the wait, boys.
May 14, 2002, 10:43 a.m. CST
Blade 2 is not as good as Blade, the first one. Not even close really. Sure, it's darker and gorier, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this) a movie is more than blood, guts, and action. Blade had personality. It had character development. It had emotion. Blade II was a walk through with a barrage of characters we barely got to know. It was completely linear, one dimentional. I still enjoyed it, but come on, it was no Blade, the original. Blade, the original was better than X-Men. Blade II was not. However, no arguments here that Spider-man kicked butt all around. It was even better the second time I saw it. The soundtrack didn't bother me as much. 'Seemed more natural; not as forced. But on the other end of the spectrum, you do begin to notice some of the corny dialog more... Once you get passed how cool it is to see Spider-man come to life on screen. Still, second best comic book adaptation of all time. Just ahead of the first Batman, and right behind the fist Superman.
May 14, 2002, 10:54 a.m. CST
...if Halle leaves, I know damn fucking well who they'll replace her with. Fucking Beyonce Knowles. Sad, huh? For once, I hope no suits are reading this...I TAKE IT BACK!
May 14, 2002, 11:02 a.m. CST
There are two big reasons why X-Men was a good movie, but not as good as it could have been. First off, when doing a superhero movie, you need a grade A budget. I believe X-Men had about 70 million, which is a fair sum, but it's still 30-40 million shy of Spiderman, Star Wars, and most intended blockbusters. Secondly, when doing a superhero movie, you need a lot of time to craft the sucker. Singer was hoping to make X-Men with a release date that was AN ENTIRE YEAR LATER than the date that the idiot suits at FOX forced on him. The X-Men production had about half the shooting and post-production time that Spiderman got. And you know what? While terribly flawed, X-Men is still a better movie because it actually has a decent script, effective directing, and a few performances that aren't hammy or tongue-in-cheek. Spiderman is a big mess of a movie with bland visuals (Sam Raimi and Don Burgess displayed little vision with their work on the film) and a script that is downright embrassing in terms of structure, dialogue, and cohesiveness. But people empathized with Tobey Maguire, and the origin story was faithfully lifted from the comics, so Spiderman becomes a huge all-around hit. Meanwhile, I like James Franco better than anyone else in the Spiderman cast because he's the only that has some self-respecting lines (outside of "I swear on my father's grave, Spiderman will pay") and he's the only one who doesn't seem to be luaghing at his role. If this X-Men 2 script is actually good, and if FOX gives Singer the time and money and freedom that he needs...well, X-Men 2 will kick the stuffing out of Spiderman, a lumbering oaf of a film. That's my vitriolic rant for the day.
May 14, 2002, 11:12 a.m. CST
honestly...i've never read a single x-men comic. i never really cared for them. i've only read a handful of marvel comics. i've always enjoyed dc more. but props have to go to what marvel is doing. BLADE, BLADE II, X-MEN, AND SPIDER-MAN were all terrific in my opinion. i loved them. i can't wait to see DAREDEVIL and HULK. i wish the evil snake that is warner bros. would get off their HARRY POTTER/POKEMON craze and pump out more superman and batman...not to mention green lantern, flash, and aquaman. the wb owns them all unlike how marvel split the rights up...which makes it very easy for warner to make a JLA movie...or a WORLD'S FINEST with supes and batman. i guess i can keep dreaming...b/c while marvel enjoys being back on top of the comic book world with one kick ace movie after another...dc will slide into the shadows while warner bros pumps out HARRY POTTER 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6...with a couple more POKEMON films and maybe a wonder woman movie thrown in directed by the likes of chuck russell or peter hyams with a budget of 30 million. why warner bros...why?
May 14, 2002, 12:03 p.m. CST
...until she absorbs Ms marvel's powers(flight, strength, etc)she did that in her evil days...which may be a potential spoiler for a later film
May 14, 2002, 12:04 p.m. CST
If anybody gets on their feet and starts cheering and hollering while I'M watching the movie, they're gonna get a facefull of fist. sk
May 14, 2002, 12:23 p.m. CST
That Alan Cumming shit is ridiculous. Hope Halle Berry can drop the ego trip and just "act." It's a fucking job, just do it. She claimed she had fun the first time around, now she's money hungry? Gimme a break. Bruce Lee said it best. Consider your self a star, not a superstar.
May 14, 2002, 12:23 p.m. CST
by The Founder
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 14, 2002, 12:41 p.m. CST
by Kurt S. E.
Stryker is the name a popular gay porn star!!
May 14, 2002, 1:20 p.m. CST
I've seen that Juggernaut was included in the previous reviews with the human sentinels and the Legacy virus. So did they axe him as well? I personally think he would be one of if not the best villians to put against the X-Men and then maybe Mr Sinister or Apocalypse for X3.
May 14, 2002, 1:52 p.m. CST
by Raven Jessamy
My humble opinoin is that Kurt should be played by Oded Fehr (Ardeth Bay of the Mummy & Returns, Frank Donovan of UC: Undercover): between theatre training and having German parents, he should manage an accent fairly well. I suppose there's no time in X2 for a scene with Kurt and Logan mock-fighting for beer... The Phoenix saga sould be avoided as it would take at least two films to cover it; X3 should have something to do with Morlocks (although maybe not, Callisto would be impossable to cast).
May 14, 2002, 1:57 p.m. CST
I look foreward to the new X-Men movie, although I was quite disappointed with it. As an X-Men fan for 27 years, I found the lack of costumes, the changing of the history, and the overall artistic licensing that was thrown around like spagetti at a food fight was a little overwhelming to say the least. Maybe they could learn from the new Spiderman movie and try to make the second film a little more like the comics. Lets see costumes, lets see a little less changing (all the costumes, Mystique looking like an coral reef, the destruction of the Sabretooth/Wolverine storyline, the loss of the X-Men original team (Iceman is just a kid). I'm glad they made an X-Men movie, but its really not the X-Men to me, a real fan, its more of a Mutant X with the X-Men's powers and names....little else in that movie follows the books...
May 14, 2002, 1:58 p.m. CST
No one at Warners asked Shoemaker to sink the series. Man, it is soooo easy to blast the evil "suits" at studios for fucking with these Godsend directors who just happen to know exactly how to shoot any style or genre of flick. Shoemaker was the wrong choice for Batman and has openly admitted to fucking it up. I know this will be raise the urkles of many, but from my experience, a lot of the "suits" actually understand the material better then the 'visionary' directors they set loose with barrels of their money. The younger ones are considered "shooters" because that's all they're good at and the older ones believe they're beyond critisism, will even go counter to the good of the film because "it wasn't their idea." Sam Raimi is a great guy and is getting all the accolades for Spider Man these days but his most accomplished feat was getting the damn job to begin with.
May 14, 2002, 2:33 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
...there seems to be a fine line in how to make a good one. If you take directors like Schumacher or Tim Burton was are gifted visual stylists but not much else, you get crap. Another problem is that these guys have no affinity for the source material -- and that includes Burton. On the other hand, I have always felt that so far it's a good thing that hard core comics fan Kevin Smith hasn't attempted a superhero movie because he likes comics TOO much and we'd end up burdened down in continuity and detail. Bryan Singer managed to make a good movie despite not having any affinity for the source material, in fact being fairly contemptuous of the comic medium. He told a good story and did it well, although in my opinion he was too visually cautious and all the yellow spandex jokes in the world just come across as rationalizations which the fans eat up because they're sooo afraid they're not going to get their superhero movie and we were all relieved that it wasn't BATMAN & ROBIN 2. Singer has the opposite problem of Burton and Schumacher: he's not enough of a visual stylist to make a truly great comic book movie like Raimi did. He went with flavor of the month wire work and rubber suits. Y' know, there is a shitload of visual middle ground between yellow spandex and the MATRIX' wardrobe department. I'm not too happy with the story reported here. While I definitely DON'T want some big, convouluted comic book story mired in continuity and ridiculous characters, this thing sounds too vanilla, too tame, too M.O.R. SPIDER-MAN has proven that it's not enough for comic movies to just not suck any more. I will skip X2 if it stays along these lines because when I walk out, I want to be able to honestly say more than, "Well, at least it didn't suck."
May 14, 2002, 2:47 p.m. CST
and actually maiming and killing people? Add Jean Grey transforming in Phoenix and you have shown the argument for keeping mutants in check. It would flesh out the story more and make it less black and white.
May 14, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST
Were the costumes in X-Men too drab? Yes. Could the visual style of the film have been improved? Definitely, and it probably would have been had Singer had that extra 60 million and extended schedule that Spiderman had. Nevertheless, it doesn't take an auteur to see that outside of the swinging-through-city shots in Spiderman, Sam Raimi's visual style was about as dynamic and striking as an ad for hair gel. At least Singer and his DP knew how to frame most of their shots fairly well, even if they weren't working with scripted action on the level of Spiderman. For example, take the shot in which Wolverine senses Sabretooth for the first time...the camera is looking up into his face as his claws suddenly extend down into the camera's focus. Thus, we are given a "hero" shot of Wolverine that emphasizes his strength while at the same time being jolted into a realization of his volatile deadliness...and the tension of the scene is quickly and effectively kicked into high gear. There's a greater sense for syntactic and syntagmatic film expressions of meaning in that one shot than in the entire plethora of Spiderman's washed-out, drab, predictable CUs and wide shots.
May 14, 2002, 8:14 p.m. CST
by Village Idiot
Regardless of the craft involved, which I do not dispute, for me X-Men resonated on the level of Dolph Lungren's Punisher. Okay, that's overstating, but you get the idea.
May 14, 2002, 8:52 p.m. CST
I know this won't be a popular opinion here, but it doesn't make any sense to have the X-Men wear super hero outfits, spandex, leather or or whatever. In the context of Singer's "realistic" telling of the mythos, they should be wearing regular clothes anyway so as to not draw undue attention to themselves. "Who are the mutants?" "Those guys in the motorcycle outfits, officer." Spandex would be even more conspicuous. Have them wearing regular clothing that reflects elements of their costumes, I say. Or not.
May 14, 2002, 10:49 p.m. CST
by Mr. Impossible
It was a watchable action fantasy undermined by an unfaithful adaptation of its source material. As a summer escapist movie about a teenager undergoing a startling transformation from nerd to superhero, it is a modestly entertaining summer action pic. The characters are sympathetic and there is just enough story cohesion to make the film satisfying. I didn't feel cheated, but I wasn't anxious to step in line to see it again either. The dialogue could be mediocre at times, but no worse than some other films of this genre. There were some ridiculously melodramatic touches--like the two romantic leads having lived beside each other for 12 years and never having spoken a word to each other---but overall the film delivered what it promised. And that was all. But as a longtime Spidey fan I could find some faults with the film, changes to the accepted history, which in one particular case actually undermined the film as a coherent drama. In the comics, Peter originally had no friends, and while he was interested in girls he did not have any particular crush. The decision to condense his social experiences so that his later friend Harry Osbourne would be introduced from the beginning(thus removing Parker's status as a loner) , and to establish that Mary Jane Watson was his destined love(an embellishment not established in the comics until 20 years later)undermines the story of Peter Parker, devoting far too much screen time to the personal problems of Mary Jane as well as Harry, and creating an awkward moment for the film's conclusion. In the comics, Peter was always concerned that some super-villain would discover his true identity and hurt his loved ones---but the manner in which this is conveyed in the film's final moments is problematic and left some members of the audience I viewed the film with wondering: "Huh? After all that talk about how he loved her, he rebuffs her advances?" Maguire and Dunst did the best with the material given them, but neither embodied the spirit of the comic book characters. There was zero sense that Parker was upset about how he was treated by his classmates. The comics made it clear: "one day they will be sorry they laughed at me." He gets the powers--then goes into show business. He gets an ego--BUT having him take his frustrations out on his uncle really seemed forced. I guess Raimi and company felt a comic book character as written was too complicated for your average movie audience. Or--his average movie audience I should say. The fx work was okay, but the action scenes were hardly as epic as they should have been. The wrestling scene--not spectacular at all. In the comics the wrestler is literally terrified of this little guy spinning him around in one hand. Sorely missed. The best shot was the very last one leading to the flagpole. I give the film 6 out of 10, with one whole point removed for the webshooters. Having Parker talk about how he wrote a paper on nanotechnology hardly compensates for the loss of THE trademark attribute of Peter Parker's contribution to Spider-man.
May 15, 2002, 12:40 a.m. CST
by Cajun Lightning
I liked the first X-men movie a lot. I loved Spider-man. I think because it seems America loved Spider-man as well, it's possible that studios are going to let the fanboy directors they've taken to hireing have more say. I think they were a little gun shy with the first X-men because the last big comic book movie before that was Batman and Robin. That was "cartoony" so they probably pushed hyper-serious. But Spider-man proved what should have been obvious. It's not that we don't like our heroes a bit cartoony, it's that we'd prefer them not to suck. I think Spider-man found a bit of a happy medium, leaning towards camp. If X-men finds that medium leaning slightly to the serious side, then we'll have another winner. Sounds like the script nailed it. We know the actors are game and Singer is a capable director. Sounds promising. (Though if Halle Berry is going to bitch out then she should be axed. I have no doubts she can pull off a great Storm, the question is, does she feel like doing it? Now that she is so important and all.)
May 15, 2002, 12:56 a.m. CST
by Noriko Takaya
--that I want very much to see a Wonder Woman movie. A GOOD one, well written, not a T&A fest. Since Jennifer Connelly is no longer available, being in THE HULK and all, get Lucy Lawless. And hire a real scriptwriter. Do it right and it's US$150 million domestic, easy. Screw it up and ya get a Grade-Z POS and yet another addition to the BATMAN AND ROBIN Hall of Shame. Toppu o Nerae!
May 15, 2002, 1:21 a.m. CST
The people at Fox should be thrilled that everyone has such a strong opinion of what the next movie should be. Listen to the buzz that's already been building. But they also have an obligation, I think, to not only make a great next movie, but to raise the bar ... significantly. If they do so, they could have both a bigger box office and a long-term, huge money-making franchise. I've already chimed in on the costumes (get a creative director who can really push the envelope and design some sweet, ultra-cool, hi-tech, battle suits) and the CGI (take people places they haven't been -- and take some pages from Lucas and think about more virtual sets and CGI characters, alhough I know some people might disagree, it's the only way to open up that world rather than just shooting on location in NY). Story: Having given a quick one-over of the script, it sounds good, but not great. It's basically just continuing the same story, which will probably result in a similar or slightly smaller box office (the mainstream has already essentially seen part one of that movie). I do think it would be a mistake to try to take a story out of the comics like Phoenix Saga. And forget some of the villians like Sinister who just looks like a Vampire, or Juggernaut who they'd never get right (think Arnold's Mr. Freeze in a chrome suit with a bubble on his head). That stuff is for the cartoons, and doesn't fit celluloid medium. Personally I liked the idea of the Sentinels (not human ones though) with perhaps some kind of Age of Apocalypse twist. Set it 2-3 years after the first movie. Mutants have been increasing in number, and more powerful ones have also been emerging. Some just blend in, Some are hiding, some are criminals, some are trying to do good. There are also a number of tremendously powerful, freakishly scary mutants are emerging (these guys couold be new, imaginative, and awesome). They want to wage all out war and wipe out the lesser race, homo sapiens, and take their rightful place as rulers. Initially, they use terrorist tactics, but they are also assembling a huge army. Because of the increasing human fear, the Sentinel program, which has been secretly funded by a consortium of countries and underway for years (at Area 51) is now ready for testing. The army of CGI-created, 25-foot tall sentinels are technologically sophisticated, AI-driven, armed to the teeth, and don't look like the bucket heads from the comic. Discovering that these forces are aligning on both sides, Xavier and the more mature and powerful X-Men (which will also include other favorite characters) could break Magneto out of prison, and align with him and others to prevent world war III. It would all lead up to the Sentinels not being the saviors humans/flatscans believed, the super mutants and Sentinels being defeated in one tremendous land and aeriel battle, and the world being saved by the very mutants they feared. Within the story, there's plenty of room for character development, and emotional range. Basically, I'm talking epic. Gladiator. Star Wars/Empire. Titanic epic. Would Fox bankroll something like this? Probably not! We'll probably get Mutant X the movie again. Cast: If Halle stays, great. She is beautiful and a very good actress (although they've gotta work on that hair). If she bolts, and wants to take her career in another direction, okay, just handle it with class on both sides. She can be replaced. I'd personally recommend an unknown who'd look like a young Iman. My assessment of the rest of the cast. Xavier -- Patrick Stewart was born to play. Jackman as Wolverine -- at 6' tall he made the character his own. Can he push it more now? Cyclops -- Marsden seemed too young and too bland, but that can be fixed in X2. Jean Grey -- Famke is drop dead gorgeous (does anyone remember that she played the "perfect mate" opposite Stewart in TNG). She didn't seem right for the part though, especialy paired with Cyclops. Rogue -- Anna was good, but horrible mischaracterization. Rogue should have been a southern spitfire not a scared teenager. Sir Ian -- Fantastic. At any rate, most of the core cast will probably be on board. Prospects: I agree with M that the production seems way behind schedule. But if it's going to be an essentially intimate movie with a couple of new characters, and some CGI thrown in, and not an epic, that may be enough time. I'd also add that I believe that the movie ultimately WILL satisfy the audience that liked the first one (which I and my kids did). I just don't know if it will expand the audience or give the core fans the huge homerun they'd really love to see.
May 15, 2002, 2:22 a.m. CST
Boy, you got it all wrong about how to make a great movie. To think Singer didn't make outlandishly cool superhero outfits and more CGI because he didn't have another 60 million?!! This is exactly the problem with summer films these days - they're completely dumbed down and crammed full of CGI bullshit. I can guarantee you no amount of extra money would have turned Singer into a costume, FX whore. In fact, I believe the first 20 minutes or so of Xmen were completely groundbreaking because they didn't rely on ANY FX - they were absolutely real. Real people with mutant powers in a real world - so much more textured and interesting then Spider Man or Blade 17 (IMO). Reminded me of the greatness of Donner's Superman - the first act that is. As soon as the dudes in the outfits floated down in the winter wonderland - bam - it became as hokey as any of them. And do you really think Spiderman was "epic?" It was a domestic disturbance at best. Writing is what differentiates a great flick from a bad one - not how much they spent on their CGI.
May 15, 2002, 2:36 a.m. CST
I am in total agreement Melvinator. I don't think I said anything about wanting a huge abundance of gaudy visual effects and costumes in X-Men. I didn't want the quantity of sensationalism to increase at all. I just think the extra money and especially the extra time would have helped Singer and co. hone and polish the composition, photography, performances, production design, art direction, score, sound design, visual effects and so on of the material that was already there. I wasn't trying to suggest that they should have sacrificed the story and the script by throwing in some big, pointless action sequences. It's just that when it comes to comic book films, aesthetics is a major factor. For a wide variety of reasons, I believe the aesthetics of X-Men to be superior to Spiderman. I believe that with a level production value playing field, the aesthetics of X-Men could have been better...without altering the story or plot or any of that.
May 15, 2002, 2:39 a.m. CST
Why cant you guys please stick to the comic books? X-men used to be my favorite marvel comic, I was so happy when I heard you guys were going to make a first movie of x-men I could not wait to see it and when I did I wished I hadn't I was so dissapointed with the outcome. I was expecting it to be like the new spiderman movie that just came out, now that was a movie! I was expecting to see there actual powers and lots of great fights and great effects, but no none of that. I'm sad to see what you guys are doing to x-men!! You guys can LEARN a lot from the makers of spiderman! Sincerly, an angry viewer of your first x-men movie, everyone thinks so not just me! ask and everyone will say it could have been a lot better.
May 15, 2002, 2:44 a.m. CST
by The Killer-Goat
as you stated, the film was likely intended for the "average audience", which invariably ends up being a mix of comic fans and "miscellaneous". :) To the average movie-goer unfamiliar with our wallcrawler, 10 years of comic plot condensed into 2 hrs plays out quite differently on-screen. Successfully enough for $240 million apparently. As a Classic Spidey reader I give Raimi credit for keeping a larger percentage of the core origin intact, if not the countless minutae you mentioned, in an age very different from 40+ years ago (ie: Steroidal WWF-like wrestler daunted by 'scrawny' McGuire? Not likely, and he was knocked out before fear could set in, anyways). I would also mention that, to my own surprise, many of the character details you assumed were neglected in the film (ie: 'loner' Parker, bullied, etc.), were actually recognized by someone like my wife --an uninitiated comic reader who gave the film a 10/10 to my own "comic fan" 8/10. I sympathize with the webshooters, but don't underestimate the "delivery of the film's promise". That's rare these days. And the film added alot of new fans to the ranks.
May 15, 2002, 2:45 a.m. CST
It might end up being anti-climatic like the first one. Then again it might not. Moriarty's script review is promising, but he still didn't delve into the MAJORITY of what the script covers, which is good. And in case you missed it, he said that this story is big. Are you worried that it might not be exciting enough because there's no big bad mutant and/or robot for the X-Men to go up against? The morally ambiguous tone that Mori says comes up sounds better. Anyway, I'm anxiously awaiting Spider-Man here in Australia, seeing as it's released on June 6, grrr.
May 15, 2002, 3:32 a.m. CST
by Village Idiot
I believe it was an astute Talkbacker in this very Talkback who wrote: "Perhaps you feel that material was more palatable with more verisimilitude. But I would argue that imagination and depth of narrative are not mutually exclusive, and that *emotional* versimilude is always in reach and need not be compromised by fantasy." Eh, but you, Melvinator, let the costume get in the way of the first Superman. I'd say you just dig like the comic book asthetic, which is okay. To quote another Talkbacker, some people don't like chocolate.
May 15, 2002, 9:37 p.m. CST
But when I was a teen the X-Men was one of my favourite things in the world. I stopped reading comics around '90, but I've always kept a torch lit for X-Men. I liked the movie, it felt like it was made for dudes my age, it kept the spirit of what X-Men was all about, being different, finding your way in a world that doesn't understand you.. etc. All the metaphors are really transparent, even a little obnoxious at times (re: holocaust) but hey, it's a comic, right? A really smart comic, despite some of the silliness. God Loves Man Kills is a great mutant story. I wish I could read it again right now. I hope Moriarty is right, I hope they're taking this idea to a bigger and better arena, the characters and world are developed now, to a point, it's time to make a really excellent movie. I agree with a lot of you about Halle Berry, all wrong, and now that she's an Oscar winner, god, I hope she pulls a bitch move and walks, forcing the people in charge to find someone more appropriate. Storm was my fave, tied with Wolverine and Xavier. Are there any 6'4" sickeningly gorgeous African actresses with cheekbones like a snowplow in Hollywood? I'll bet there are. And I bet they can do accents. I love Nightcrawler. He embodies the 'mutant condition' to me. I want to see Collossus as well, but please, no Gambit or Jubilee. Beast is an interesting character, but I've never understood the appeal as a super-hero. More Wolverine asserting his canadian-ness, please. -----Spiderman was great...
May 15, 2002, 10:17 p.m. CST
I'm so hoping American McGee's Alice will be good!!! Kinda off topic, but I'm hoping Wes Craven does a great job! It's such a great game! NightCrawler rocks too! Go NC!
May 15, 2002, 10:58 p.m. CST
So I take it we won't be seeing Gambit in X-Men 2. Well, that's fine by me as long as he's in the 3rd one, and he's cast correctly. Gambit has to be the hottest actor they can find, with the perfect accent, body, & facial features. Otherwise, I will cry & chain myself to the local theater. I mean, they fucked up Rouge already by casting Anna Paquin, who barely had an accent and was far too young for the part. And Halle's storm wasn't the best it could be but hey - her lines sucked. I really wish they'd stuck to the comic books. X-Men was my all time favorite comic & it is still is. I was pretty disappointed with the first flick. PLEASE GET IT RIGHT!!!
May 15, 2002, 11:29 p.m. CST
It's a cartoon from what I hear.
May 15, 2002, 11:49 p.m. CST
does anyone agree with me that "Iman," also known as David Bowies wife would have make the perfect Storm?
May 16, 2002, 2:14 a.m. CST
Mrs. David Bowie would be alright, if you could transplant a brain into her head. Storm is more than just pretty, she's badass dangerous with an iron will. I don't think there are any supermodels that could pull that off, not even one married to Bowie.
May 16, 2002, 2:56 a.m. CST
So, I know this sounds kinda crazy, cuz they are looking for a gymnast blah blah blah...BUt am I the only one who can picture Chris Kattaan as Nightcrawler? I mean, he already looks like him, he's impish and crazy, and might just be the dark brooding dose of comic relief X2 needs.
May 17, 2002, 6:35 a.m. CST
Well maybe I'm crazy, but ever since I first heard about an Xmen movie being made, whenever I heard of Storm, I always thought of Tyra Banks.
May 18, 2002, 2:35 a.m. CST
I mean, he is the coolest x-man ever, and that includes wolverine.
May 18, 2002, 4:08 a.m. CST
I think you got you posters mixed up. Check your sources, fill in the blanks. Let barney out for a walk. It'll clear your mind.
May 18, 2002, 10:37 a.m. CST
really....how can you say blad 2 was better than x-men?! I mean.....wtf?? *totally confused*
May 18, 2002, 3:08 p.m. CST
by elegant mess
I was never happy with the casting choice of Halle Berry as Storm, and when she made that statement about being reduced to playing comic book characters, it made me sick. When Xmen became a hit, you certainly didn't hear her whining about being reduced to anything then. Nor did you hear her say anything about her performance in that Oscar calibur movie BAPS, did we? I was watching Swordfish last night and was further reminded why I don't like her. May I please nominate Garcelle Beauvais-Nilon (don't let her part on the Jamie Foxx show deter you)? Storm doesn't need to be a big name actress and I think she has the look and presence to carry it off. If she's unavailable, how about Kimberly Elise or possibly Gina Torres? Anybody but Halle, who is turning out to be a bigger problem than is worth it.
May 18, 2002, 3:30 p.m. CST
by Village Idiot
What I was trying to say was: "From what I gathered from your post, you, Melvinator, let the costume (and other more standard comic trappings) get in the way of fully appreciating the first Superman, which was a much better film than X-Men. I'd say you just don't like the comic book aesthetic. And that is okay, really. To quote another Talkbacker, 'Some people don't like chocolate.'"
May 18, 2002, 4:42 p.m. CST
If this is as good as he says , this is going to be great and with all the marvel films in development we should finally get to see some great DC films. LIke a new good Batman movie,hopefully Batman Beyond and a new Superman movie. X2 is gonna be good i just can't wait to see Nightcrawler he is my favorite Marvel character and it will be great to see him realized on film.AND KURT S.E HOW WOULD U KNOW STRYKER IS A POPULAR GAY PORN ACTOR?? I'LL LET PPL FIGURE THAT OUT FOR THEMSELF!!ANYONE SEE THE DAREDEVIL COSTUME?LOOKS GREAT and THE HULK WILL BE GOOD ALSO!
May 18, 2002, 9:32 p.m. CST
I figured if Toad could be in a film then surely Magneto's own children would appear--and they'd be ideal for busting him out of "jail." But whatever. I hope the enthusiasm Moriarty is showing for this script/draft survives to the final film. The quality of the recent boom in Marvel adaptations is very encouraging--well, to me anyway.
May 19, 2002, 1:28 p.m. CST
X-Men Movie was great and was a hard task to acomplish
May 19, 2002, 5:15 p.m. CST
Hello Brian Singer! Rogue is 17 in the first x-men movie, and while it may be personal wish fufilment on the writer's part, getting it off with a 17 year old is neither legal nor applicible to the Wolvie we all know and love. Plus it is very, very disgusting. And Bobby and Rogue?! Is there any more simpering, wet relationship possible?I don't particulary want to be sickened by, well, frankly, quite a wet blanket of a boy shooting longing glances at Rogue. Give the girl a little fun and dump in Gambit for her to hate and get frustrated with and have a little fun with and then maybe get them serious. Plus more Gambit!
May 19, 2002, 7:32 p.m. CST
by Aphex Twin
Solid Snake writing the script? Just have Wolverine in a scruffy voice yell "LIQUID!!!"
May 19, 2002, 9:11 p.m. CST
ok given that marvel is curently creating a marvel universe continuency in film land then this just makes me tingle. if it is true then i see cross over! have the end of the hulk be unresolved and have other hero's come into solve it. ie FF X-men SM, etc. yet at the same time it would be hard to get the different actors and stakeholders to get around to making the film it would still be excitign to see maybee a SM, X-men cross over, if only a mention in SM2, Peter saying something anti mutant or the like just to make it a real marvel universe
May 20, 2002, 4:11 a.m. CST
Needs profesional help. Booring, poorly coreographed CGI ragdoll action in Prague doesn't make a good movie. The only movie worse than "Balde 2" was "Highlander 2."
May 21, 2002, 5:22 a.m. CST
Harry or somebody! Can someone please agree with me that the original film needed Storms classroom scene edited back in! It was a CRUCIAL scene explaining why Magneto wanted to turn everyone (comparing it to the christians in Rome)! If they re-release the DVD with a new score couldn't they put that 1 scene back in? It would validate the whole film. Otherwise Magnetos evil scheme just seems like a run of the mill special fx 'baddie' machine. It let the film down for me at the cinema and didn't make much sense. PLUS!!!!!!! Why is senator kelly in the sequel if he was liquidated in the first film?!?! I did pickup that strange line by Magneto where Jean tells him that the process killed Kelly and Magneto says 'Are you sure thats what you saw!' in a knowing way. what does everyone think about that?
May 21, 2002, 8:33 p.m. CST
does no one remember that misteque is a shape shifter and became senator kelly at the end of the first film? i am sorry for some one who seems to know so much about the first film how could u miss that? sorry astroboy, do some more reasearch s_k_a_r
May 23, 2002, 2:23 a.m. CST
by Zefram Mann
I'm sorry, but where I live 16 is legal. And yes, while I think Wolverine wouldn't do it with Rogue, (even if it was Mystique, he's more like an older brother/uncle to her), keep in mind that no matter who he's with, there's going to be one HELL of an age difference. Christ, man. Even Bea Arthur would be too young for Wolvie. Although being a shape shifer, who knows how old Mystique is? She IS Nightcrawler's mom in the comic and animeted series.
May 23, 2002, 10:08 a.m. CST
I think that the X-2 camp must have leaked this to Moriarty in order to squash all the lame and bizarre rumors that had been creeping up on the 'net about them. Good for them. I suspect that if they're going to shoot what Moriarty read, that Tom DeSanto might get involved again. The rumor mill has proposed that Tom wouldn't go back when they had a really weak script that would have killed the franchise, and who could blame him? A sweet ass script that's true to the characters would be a must to get him back into the game. Personally I think it was a HUGE mistake to bump him out in the first place, but egos will be egos... As for Moriarty's mention of Michael France's "Fantastic Four" script, he's dead-on about how cool that film would be. I read it last year, and just could not stop thinking how damn cool it was. There's a little bit of updating going on in it, but the characters ring true. They even managed to work in the awkward "It's clobberin' time" line. (yes, a hallmark of The Thing, but a bitch to work into conversation). -- SPYder, out.
May 24, 2002, 1:19 a.m. CST
It could be neat in sayyyyyyyy, 10 years or so, after all these different Marvel franchises have been made and technology is wicked, to have a huge crossover world thingy. You know, like Zero Tolerance, only maybe not Zero Tolerance. I know it does sound cheesy, but for the sake of us fanboys having multiple orgasms, sure does sound cool. I can picture Hulk and Wolverine double teaming a 50 foot sentinel right now.
May 24, 2002, 1:22 a.m. CST
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PUT GAMBIT IN A DAMN FILM
May 24, 2002, 1:26 a.m. CST
Guy Pearce would make a good Gambit....? Just give him some lessons on the dialect and dye his hair. Bada bind bada boom.
May 24, 2002, 1:47 a.m. CST
DAMMIT MOTHERFERS I WANT TO SEE ICEMAN AND JUGGERNAUT IN AN ALL OUT FIGHT! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!? FUCKING POWERS GOING OFF THE HOOK CRAZY! I can see it now. Iceman speeding right by Juggy, piercing him with half a dozen icicles, and Juggy is still charging. Iceman is dodging like hell but Juggy is trashing his Ice to shit. Then boom! Collossus comes running and tackles Juggy while Iceman goes off to find an evil Archangel. OOOOOOOOH I WOULD CRAP MY PANTS
May 27, 2002, 10:51 p.m. CST
by battling jack
ok, first of all, X2 shouldd be pretty good the mention of the danger room almost made me pee my pants. i think singer did a good job with x men so they must most definetly should not change directors, with my luck, joel shumacher would take on the project and all the x men would have nipples on their costumes, except of course fo the females. spider-man was great it was so good. Bone Saw is the man and for all of the "dicks" who say "down with organic webbing" i think his webs were great for the movie. first of all it provided room for many funny scenes ( the lunch tray and the whole shazzam and go web go things) plus its easier to explain for a movie that his webs were a side effect of the bite. its better than,"and with a twist of my screwdriver, spider-man has webs!" the homemade webbing is great but for the movie, organic was the best way to go. now about dd, im very excited about it, ben affleck is the man he was the bomb in phantoms (for the kevin smith fans ;) ) and i like the fact of micheal clake duncan as king pin he has the perfect voice and all though he is a little more tanned than the big loveable bald cracka he will do just fine. plus, yes he is a crime lord, but more than that he is a gangster not gangsta but as long as he doesnt cruise around in a bently and wear fubu he'll be fine. honestly what white man could play king pin? with my luck(my bad luck again) they would cast vin diesel HAHAHA! that would be so gay XXX is going to be soo gay "this is going to be one hell of a trick" yea he was talking about getting people to go see it. it looks like the x games with a story to it. knowing me ill probaly see it......(sighs) the things im going to do for my country.
May 30, 2002, 10:48 p.m. CST
Hello Everyone, I'm new to the site and I just wanted to add my two cents. First, Halle can step any time she feels the need, let Halle and that wuss Husband of her's continue to keep their lips stuck to the Oscars's ass. Next, Gambit, this movie needs this super cool character, I lost touch with the X-Men as I grew older, but watching the cartoon series on Fox made me happy and a big fan again, especially after being introduced to Gambit. The person I feel that should be cast for Gambit if it every happens is my boy Paul Walker from the Fast & the Furious. That my friends is your Gambit. I feel the kid could pull it off, plus he's already cool, and has that screen presence charisma working for him, I'm sure all of the ladies won't have a problem with him. As far as the script(s), I'm an X fan, I don't really care what the story line is as long as it's translated well to the screen to make us all proud. And as sequels go, WE all want to see X2 do better than one. Thanks for letting me share my thoughts.
May 31, 2002, 9:04 p.m. CST
I can only imagine the difficulty of trying to turn something like a comic book into a movie. The main reason being that most comics are bought by teenage boys while movie audiences are much broader. I think one of the reason's comic films are turning out so great right now is because many talents in hollywood seem to have been fans of the characters they are trying to portray. It seems, to me atleast, that comics kind of attached themselves to the children of the 70's and 80's. The reason I say this is because it appears that comics are getting more mature. I could be wrong, and I appologize if I am. Anyways, Im getting off subject. The main reason Im writing this is to say that the X2 script sounds great. I think the main appeal of the X-men is the reality of it. The villians aren't insane...well most of the main villians anyways. I remember reading the comics and wondering why Xavier put up with the crappola that humans gave them. If I was a mutant, I honestly think I would lean toward hating humans. Singer did a great job of making the x-universe more plausible (I think the best example of this is Sabretooth. Homeboy is decked out much more plausibly in the movie than in the comic). Spider-man, however, while having much more of a realism to it that other comics like Batman or Superman, it approached this realism much more light-heartedly and "colorfully". The film was popular because it captured that. Batman was popular because its draw was the Frank Miller days of darkness, which Tim Burton portrayed very well. And Superman's big draw was his heart (I call it thickheadedness, but I was never much of a Sups fan). I think to do future comic films right, you need to portray certain characteristic that made said comic great. It impossible to compare one movie to another or to find some sort of winning formula. I think the hulk will be great if they portray him as being a human who has an uncontrollable bad side to him and how that effects his life and the people he love's. Daredevil, I think, would be great if they make him sorta dark and complex, like the popular frank miller version. And I think they should make a captain america movie. Cause Cap's main power wasnt his strength, but his determination and I think they could make a great movie out of a guy who is fighting for freedom during WW2. But anyways *slamming 2 pennies on the table* thats just my two cents. And like a fat girl playing dodge ball, Im out!
June 3, 2002, 11:21 p.m. CST
I read, then reread many of the posts here. Some were good and insightful, others just droll and insulting. I understand there are many kids here [I'm 37], so I'll not take umbridge. I have been reading X-Men since 1971, I love the X-Men for the reasons many of you do. I expected a farce due to Marvels track record with movie making [Read: Punisher]. DC seemed to have the upper hand and frankly they deserved it. I enjoyed the first 2 Batman movies quite a bit. The first couple of Superman were cool as well. But like all good things they got out of hand and began mocking themselves. Now that Marvel is clearly the leader in comic based movies, I sense they will not back off in the least. DC HAS to come up big to dethrone Marvel. But that is not what I am driving at here. We all saw X-Men. Those that don't like it, or worse yet, hate it, don't understand it. Brian Singer did a job I wished on no one. And what he did was take a premise of fantastic individuals and turn it into a tour-de-force of cinematography, score, character developement, and drama. The set-up was so obvious to me. I went to the theatre to see it with a deaf from birth die hard X-fan. He sat rapt in extacy as the film progressed. It wasn't until I got the DVD and turned on the close captioning that he got yet another feel for the movie. I don't sign much so I could not truly discuss it with him right after we watched it together the first time. I have since watched it more than 7-8 times at my liesure and I will say this. I love it more! What Singer did is take all the elements and place them in a context that all would appreciate. Non fans are a huge concern for these types of movies. If they are not happy we will never see another one. Be happy you got the X-Men, they could have always made Mystery Men II. OOOOHHHH.... My point is this. Go to the movie. Enjoy yourself. Be entertained. Save the Freudian analysis for The Piano II. I want my heroes BIG, angry, and real.
June 9, 2002, 2:17 p.m. CST
Unless the previously mentionned storyline was also inspired by the novel "God Loves, Man Kills". I don't know, I haven't read the book (I'm a child of the nineties, therefore anything written or filmed before the beginning of the digital era is of no interest to me).
June 9, 2002, 5:19 p.m. CST
first off y'all her name is ROGUE , NOT rouge!!! get it right! second, i thought that they did a horrible job portraying her in the first movie... where did all the "helpless, scared, shy girl" shit come from?!?! c'mon people she's a ROGUE! they better give her an attitude in this new movie... it was mentioned in this review that loyalties might be questioned... dude make Rogue change loyalties! she goes to Mystique for help and get's Ms. Marvel's powers... make ole Rogie-Roo go to Mystique in X2 and then get her "rogue" powers in X3!! with that said, where would Rogue be without her counterpart, everyone's favorite Cajun, Gambit!! i hit the roof when i found out that the ragin' cajun wasn't gonna be in X2!! they put him in the video games so there's definately a public interest in the character! hell, even if they just show 2 seconds of someone that could be Gambit, or have a scene in New Orleans, i'd be happier than shit!! they can't just ignore the fact that he is one of the most popular characters in the x-world! and dude, Harry Connick Jr would make a kick ass Gambit (if he could build up the body)!!! and Mr Connick would actually know how to pull off the N'awlins accent, unlike Ms. Paquin's PATHETIC attempt at a southern.
June 13, 2002, 5:48 a.m. CST
by King Arthur
This really sucks!! They add crappy characters like Nightcrawler and Pyro to the sequel, and leave out awesome characters like Gambit and Psylock!? What the hell is going on here? Gambit is one of the coolest, and most popular, characters that Marvel has, and they leave him out yet again because Fox (according to rumor) doesn't want more than one mysterious character!! What a load of crap!! I've just lost a lot of interest in X2...
Uh, crappy characters like Nightcrawler? How long have you even been -reading- the comic book? Good god. Get a friggin clue for crying out loud, I love Gambit as much as anybody, but anyone who actually has been reading the comic for a decent amount of time or has bothered reading up on past storylines knows Kurt is sweet as hell.
June 14, 2002, 7:10 p.m. CST
...but aren't Nightcrawler's eyes completely yellow? And if so, how can you tell if they're dilated? Just wondering.
June 15, 2002, 1:44 a.m. CST
grrrrr people dont get it? i hear " this actor was to od or this actor was to young or that never happened? orwasnt he good or wasnt he bad? that wasnt in the comic, this skript want stickin to the x-men comic" well guess what people TELL ME IF U WENT TO THE COMIC STORE LAST WEEK ND PICED UP ONE CALLED "X-MEN THE DEATH OF THE SCHOOL" OR SOME LAME NAME, AND IT WAS THE SAME THING AS THE SKRIPT U JUST READ WOULDNT YOU GO " OH THAT ROCKED I WISHTEY WOULD MAKE IT A MOVIE" well you know what! who cares if it wasnt in the comic book fist, and who cares if rouge is young, she was young when she first came to the comics anyway,i mean what if they the age of apoc the moive first then the comic? that would have ben all wrong b/c there not sticki no ur just pissed b/ u each have ur own favorit part o a time in some comic that WILL NEVER BE IN ANY X-MEN MOVI AND UR PISSED ABOUT IT! to bad let them be and thankthis nice guy for telling us the skript remeber he didnt have to~ lots o love Juss
June 16, 2002, 5:42 p.m. CST
If you haven't heard already, numerous sites have reported that Colossus, Beast, and Gambit will make cameo appearences in X2. Colossus being in the movie was confirmed, from of all places, the Tough Enough reunion on MTV. Hawk, the nut from season 2, said he had auditioned for the role. Thankfully, he didn't get it. Countingdown.com has a report up from Vancouver stating that Colossus' role is that of helping Iceman evacuate the mansion. Also, in other reports from the site and other sites, casting sheets have the names "Colossus, Beast, and Card Player(AKA Gambit) listed". Whether they actually get in the film is another questions, but it seems Colossus is a definite. My question, though, is if they can do blue skin make up for Mystique and Nightcrawler, why in the blue hell can't they make Beast a full character!? Oh well, Iceman has a bigger role so I guess that's something to be happy about :)
June 19, 2002, 10:17 a.m. CST
He was on V Graham Norton a few weeks ago (its an english show, very funny) anyway he said he was going to be in X2. He didn't say which character but look at this pic, he looks soo like Nightcrawler! http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/graham/gallery_guests_2002_06_07_002.html Thanks for the script, it rocks. Beast & Gambit should be in it though.
June 23, 2002, 5:13 p.m. CST
There seems to be one thing missing from this explosive script for the sequel to X-Men. This would be the dynamic character of Sabertooth. Half of the really great fights in the entire X-Men saga are between Wolverine and Sabertooth. I loved Tyler Mane's portrayal and was looking forward to further character development in the sequel. Nothing would please a ton of fans more than to see Sabertooth waiting for Wolverine in Alberta. After all, there were both subjects in the same experiment.
June 24, 2002, 12:51 a.m. CST
can anybody tell me if gambit is going to be in x2???????????????
June 30, 2002, 12:04 a.m. CST
Hello, I'm new and all but i was so ticked off that Gambit is not going to be in the movie. If he was i think that Berry Watson could play him from 7th heaven i mean he's got the long hair and well he just looks like him. Also is rogue going to be able to fly in this movie?? I really want to know. thanks bye
July 14, 2002, 4:13 p.m. CST
I'm new posting here but I've been reading posts n shit and I read the review of the script and it looks really good and excited the only problem I have is that there isn't a mutant villian like last time. Magneto is in it and everything but hes good? I dunno. I wouldn't want Magneto to be the villian again cause it would make x-men look like power rangers or something. I'm not too clear on the villian but I would really like to see Mr. Sinister or the Sentinels along for the ride, the writers could some how put them in it and still have the human hating mutant storyline and everything. Oh well maybe I'm wrong, either way the movie is gonna kick some ass. P.s. I really would love to see gambit though. Iceman is kool but Remy is Rogue's man.
July 25, 2002, 12:41 p.m. CST
It stinks that gambit wont be in x2 and if gambit isn't in x2 theres one last fan. I think that if gambit is in the movie Seth Green would make a kick but gambit.
July 27, 2002, 6:56 p.m. CST
by Poison Fox
Will you lunatics stop raving about Gambit, esecially the nutter who said he was cooler that Wolverine. He is the best there is ...... period. Also, I HATE GAMIT!
Aug. 1, 2002, 5:25 p.m. CST
people are jus expressing how they feel about tha fact Gambit (one of tha most famous and charismatic members of tha crew) won't be there in this next film.. they like Gambit for their own reasons.(nothing wrong with that) So straight up keep your fuct up opinions to yourself. Gambit, one of tightest players in tha game.. smoked nuff people in tha comics. and caused mad drama, made things interesting yo.
Aug. 12, 2002, 1:52 a.m. CST
To those pushing for Halle Berry to be replaced, I have one thing to say...STOP WHINING (that goes especially to you, Deagle2)!! Hey, while you're at it, why don't you replace the actors who played Cyclops and Rogue...they were pretty bad themselves. Come on now!! That white wig and those dialogues were so awful...it's safe to assume that no matter what, it would have been a bad performance. Storm's part was almost non-existant, so what I say is give Halle a chance...and if Storm is given the right material and story, I assure you, she'll do a good job. As for her dissing "this kind of role"...uh, where did she say this?? Haven't you guys learned, you shouldn't trust the National Enquirer?? Sheesh!!
Aug. 16, 2002, 4:08 a.m. CST
Even if she did say that she was reduced to playing a comic book character, who the hell can blame her? At the point when she took the movie she was alrady a pretty popular and established actress, who was reduced to fucking background in a huge movie. She had nothing to do, no real lines to say. Hell all she really was in the movie was a fucking forklift for Wolverine at the end. If that had been another big named actor they probably wouldn't have even taken the role ...(angela bassett) because you could count on one hand how many lines she had the whole freaking movie. ------ As for all those who want Angela in the movie, the fact is she's too old to play anything under 40 now. And if you guys think that the blonde wig looked bad on Halle then just imagine how it would have looked on Angela, who's much darker and much more angular. Give the girl a break, if she really hated being in the movie she would never have signed on to do the sequel ... it's not like she has to continue being Storm, she could have left to go do other stuff. In fact she gave up a lot of other roles, because they would have conflicted with her X-Men schedule.
Aug. 22, 2002, 3:46 a.m. CST
WHILE I AGREE THAT HALLE BARRYS PERFORMANCE WASNT THAT GREAT IN X-MEN, KEEP IN MIND THAT STORM HAD THE SMALLEST PART OF THE X-GROUP ALMOST RIVALED BY ICEMAN IN THE FIRST FLICK. SO WHILE BARRY WASNT THAT GREAT, MAYBE ITS CAUSE STORM WAS A FUCKING WALL FLOWER IN THE GOD-DAMN PICTURE AS SUPPOSE TO WHAT...SECOND IN COMMAND LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. SECONDLY SHE WAS WAY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THAT STUPID QUOTE WITH WHAT HAPPENS TO A TOAD WHEN ITS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING, I MEAN GEESH ANYONE WHO READS THE COMICS KNOWS THATS NOT EVEN HOW SHE SPEAKS. THEY REDUCED HER IQ TO THAT OF A VALLEY GIRLS. I JUST HOPE THAT IN THE SECOND FILM SINGER WILL GIVE STORM THE CREDIT SHE DESERVES AND ACQUIRED IN THE COMICS. I MEAN COME ON SHE'S ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS FOR XAVIERS INSTITUTE AND ONE OF HIS MOST POWERFUL ALLIES, SO PLEASE GIVE THAT A CHANCE TO SHOW.
Sept. 9, 2002, 11:28 p.m. CST
My fellow friends and fans of Gambit, like many of you I'm very upset that we only get 20 seconds of the card slinger. It kills me that the coolest character of the X Men clan is being ignored. If someone is indeed cast for the part one day. The role of Gambit could only go to Paul Walker from the Fast & the Furious, he is Gambit, the height, the physic, the look and his age have Gambit written all over him. If Singer is to straighten out this romantic/love interest thing for Rogue, Gambit will have to be introduced, it's not an Iceman thing as you all know from the comics and cartoon. Trust me, Paul Walker is the one for this role, hopefully Singer and Fox will read this and get their act together.
Oct. 28, 2002, 10:56 p.m. CST
by The Monkeyduck
I had just seen the updated X II-site and I've got to say (no disrespect to all you gambit fans) I was unusually happy to see that it will at least have a cameo by the resident X-powerhouse Colosus. For my money, hands down, the most convicted of the X-men. Not much mention of him in the books anymore. But no charactor has evolved as much as he has. From the uncertain farm boy who questioned if killing Proteus was right to the man who stood against all of the X-men to aid magneto when he questioned Xavier and then stood against the Acolites alone when he realized he was wrong. Makes me happy to see the movie did not overlook him. And for all the people I've seen and heard who have been bashing the X-men movie, hold on a minute. They have a window that's less than two hours to fit over thirty years of story into. You can't expect them to fit it all. I was Impressed by what they got. And even though they had to alter the storyline a bit to fit more popular charactors in, don't knock it. That's the only way you'll get to see Gambit in X- 2.
Nov. 16, 2002, 10:44 p.m. CST
As far as Wolverine not being a pedofile, that is, essentially, true. Except that I seem to remember him being in love with a rather juvenile Kitty Pryde (Shadowcat), who shared some degree of attraction back. I also seem to remember that it was the Wolverine title that introduced us to the character of Jubilee, who was also a young girl and love-interest of his for a while. I'll admit that my memory of this may be flawed, but I'm pretty certain that I am remembering it correctly. As for some of the other issues I have seen mentioned here... Well, I'll just mention them as they come to me. Spider-Man's web-shooters: in the comic it was intended to show how much of a genius Peter Parker was to be able to invent them, but as I've seen on some other sites, it's extremely unrealistic to think that a teenager could invent an adhesive that major chemical companies are nowhere near coming up with. Having a biological source for the web-fluid was a good idea, but I think they should have had him inventing the web-shooters, since he lacks the necessary biological delivery system, spinarets, that spiders do have. I also think it would have been better for him to have grown fluid sacks inside his arms for the production and storage of the fluid, thus giving him a limited supply as opposed to the unlimited supply he seems to have in the movie. Now, as for Wilson Fisk, The Kingpin, being black in the Daredevil movie, I say, so what? I don't know of any other major stars who would have the appropriate build, meaning they would have to look for an unknown actor (good luck) or go to some of the other entertainment genres looking for someone to fit the bill. Professional wrestlers are about the only bunch of famous white guys who would have the right build, but these guys aren't good actors and definitely lack the style and grace that are associated with the Kingpin. Now on to the subject of good guys/bad guys in the upcoming X2 movie... if you've read your X-Men comics (and I'm surprised that some of you who claim to haven't mentioned this before) the "Good" guys and "Bad" guys are always teaming up and/or switching sides. I've always viewed this as a sort of reflection of real life. I mean, let's face it, don't we all have a friend or 2 who we didn't like when we first met them, or dislike someone we used to consider a friend? The world is one big gray area, and it sounds like they're trying to reflect that in the movie. I mean, isn't this whole X-Men movie universe supposed to be set in our real world with a few unreal circumstances involved? Life evolves, characters evolve, story evolves, the world evolves... that's just a minor theme that is presented in these movies, which is drawing a strange parallel with these discussions because people resist change, both in the story and in this reality. You don't want your characters to be any different than the ones you're familiar with from your respective time frames, but remember, at the very beginning, IceMan was a walking snowball, Beast was a normal-looking guy with big feet, Spider-Man used to be a teenage kid, now he's a married man. I had/have similar feelings about Jurassic Park, the movie is so completely different from the book that I view them as separate stories. Does that mean I don't enjoy seeing the movie or reading the book? No, I enjoy both with equal enthusiasm because I am entertained. That's the point of movies, novels, comic books... to entertain. So, in conclusion, in my opinion, you should not over-analyze it, just ask yourself, "Am I entertained?" If the answer is "Yes" then let it be. Am I saying you shouldn't have an opinion on how it could be better? No, as I've demonstrated above, I loved Spider-Man, but I did feel there was just a little flaw. Take care, Have fun, and God bless, one and all.
Feb. 8, 2003, 11:24 a.m. CST
Man oh man I loved X1 but the sequal breaks the trend for most films and sounds better! I can only hope that the storyline dosn't revolve around Wolverine again (dont know why but i cant STAND the guy!) and that it is a butt-numbingly good as you make it sound! I'm a kid and a girl so most people don't take me seriously when i start talking about the film so maybe if it become huge i can say 'i told you so'. (Oh yeah, lets also hope they dont give Cyclops a cardigan again and they've gotten rid of the tight leather costumes)
Feb. 9, 2003, 4:11 a.m. CST
I'm reading this board and seeing such stupid comments like 'we need to see the X-men's real costumes' or 'the comic has gotten way too dark' You know something, the X-Men started out with the team all wearing the same damned costume, remember the blue and yellow tights??? So what if they are wearing black, the X-Men is supposed to be a SECRET team, a spec-ops type of team that nobody knows about. Maybe the writers of the book took a cue from the movie, I LIKE IT. They look more like a team now than they have in a long time. I can also tell who hasn't been a fan of the book. I've been reading it for over 20 years. The stories have always been darker than the other comics. We've seen Dark Phoenix destroy a whole star system (a populated one), we've seen Sabretooth killed twice at least now (Archangel the first time, Caliban the 2nd), Wolverine has given Sabretooth massive brain damage, Colossus killing during the mutant massacre, Colossus killing himself to cure the Legacy virus, Warlock being killed and his structure given to Cameron Hodge, Cypher dying to save Wolfbane's life. The stories have been fairly dark for a LONG time no, so lets get over it. And for those of you saying the first movie didn't have the flavor of the X-Men, I beg to differ. Cyclops was done PERFECTLY with his early characterization, his constant bickering with Logan was right out of the books. I enjoyed the movie, and it had the best spirit something as complex as the X-Stories could give!!!!
Feb. 9, 2003, 4:34 a.m. CST
You started out your post talking about people that didn't read the books? It looks like you need to go back and re-read them. Kitty was never romantically interested in Logan, from day 1 she had a crush on Colossus. For a couple of years, they were also a romantic item, until Peter fell in love with an alien during the Secret Wars. The only thing Kitty was with Logan, was a friend. Logan was someone she learned from, and Logan was someone that taught her how to view life. Jubilee was also never romantically involved with Logan. Jubilee 'hitchiked' back to the X-men's Aussie base when they were thought dead. The Reavers attacked and Logan stayed behind so the rest of the team could escape. Jubilee came out of hiding and found Logan being crucified, so she helped him down and the both of them escaped. When the X-men were reformed, Jubilee joined them. Logan was a father figure to her the whole time. Besides Kitty, Jubilee was the one that gave Logan the most support after he lost his adamantium. Jubilee was never more than a sidekick to Logan.
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