May 1, 2002, 7:57 a.m. CST
'This has a chance at being something truly, memorably terrifying' A quote from you M, in reference to the proposed remake of Grudge. Hmmmmmm isn't it already great in the original Japanese format? I'm so sick and tired of having to hear about these films having no audience in America. What retarded audience are these films being marketed to. The kind who only like movies that are slopped infront of them like animal feed? And anyway even if the remake does capture the ferocity you mention. Do you think these audiences will allow it to be shown wide. No, these dumb fucks in the preview screenings will throw in laughs and make a happy ending. Let's face it, Hollywood won't be happy till it's eradicated any mention of a movie machine other than itself.
May 1, 2002, 8:21 a.m. CST
American filmmakers have no spine, Moriarty. So this GRUDGE movie will be some PG-13 blabberfest with well-known stars because that's how you make bank. I agreed with you when you first brought this up last time. I think the American public should be given an opportunity to see these movies. If the movies have enough appeal to draw a crowd, then why remake them? If they don't, then the decision could be made to remake them, but I seriously think the originaly should be given a push first. I see NO reason why a GREAT film, foreign or not, needs to be remade. Of course I am not in the business, so what the hell do I know.
May 1, 2002, 8:30 a.m. CST
by Lance Rock
May 1, 2002, 9:04 a.m. CST
I nabbed a free promotional copy from work... talk about god aweful. Does anyone put any thought into soundtracks anymore? Soundtracks clearly tell these days how hollywood is a business and not to entertain cuz they are trying to nitch a certain market. Especially when the market they are trying to nitch, the music is just way off! They take films like Spiderman and put on Rock No-Names. Danny Elfman's score was crap also... no theme, it sounds like Planet Of The Apes mixed with Batman Returns choir.
May 1, 2002, 9:19 a.m. CST
Please. Most Americans are too busy working ridiculous hours to feed their families and stay afloat in a country that seems to be willfully bleeding them to go and seek out foriegn films the way so many people here seem to want them to. MOvies are EXPENSIVE. Especially in places like New York City (where I live, and where foriegn films are actually given a chance to succeed)I love a good foriegn film, but given the choice between Spider-Man and a japanese film called "Dark Water", I'm going to choose Spider-Man. That leaves me without the funds to go and see "Dark Water". Most of you would, too. It's tough enough to launch an American action movie these days, let alone a foriegn film. Outfits like Vertigo are actually helping to expose American audiences to the original films when they do their remakes. I might not ever have heard of "Ring" had I not heard about the remake and sought out the original. It's like bitching about Joe Madiejura (sp), the "manga inspired" american artist. You can argue that Marvel should have just hired someone with a "true" manga background to illustrate, but you'd be missing the point. His style paveed the way for so many Japanese manga artists to become successful in the states. Without him, we may never have seen such an explosion of interest in manga. Why can't this work the same way? Why am I even taking the time to argue this point? It's become pretty evident to me that many people who post here do so out of some deep-seated need to criticize anything and everything, with or without warrant and without the ability to see past their own self-induced film rage.
May 1, 2002, 9:46 a.m. CST
by Merry Slander
This is so typical. I don't normally jump down peoples' throats here in TB. Hell, I rarely even post anymore because the conversation has deteriorated to such a degree (R.I.P. Lane Myers. Nonetheless, I have to ask, are we supposed to feel better because Moriarty has seen these movies? Great! Whupty-freakin-doo! I thought the point, which was never refuted in MO's new piece, is that the original films will be less likely to get a release if remakes are undertaken. I mean I'm glad that the head of Vertigo, after reading your critical piece was able to respond in actual complete sentences. Apparently he thinks his remakes won't hurt the chances of the original films in the American marketplace. Well, what the hell else is he supposed to say? Not that we can't look back to something like Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels to see a project that almost missed the opportunity of an American release because Tom Cruise bought the remake rights. Luckily we got the movie, and it was charming enough to negate the possibility of an immediate remake, and good enough to launch Guy Ritchie into the stratosphere (as well as Madonna's knickers. It is frustrating that though being written by Moriarty, who used to be known for some of the best and most thought provoking pieces on this site, the REMAKE THIS column is frequently dependant on MO's knee-jerk reactions to random news bits, without knowing much of anything about the background of a proposed project. I mean, who did not see that Ryan Philippe story as bogus? Well it filled column inches for ya didn't it? Now, instead of REMAKE THIS we are subjected to REVISE THIS as MO is forced to eat crow on various subjects week in and week out. Amusing on some level, but not what we all came here for. I'm not trying to harsh on you Mo, but what are we here for if not to engage in debate about not just films, but their audience, and their critics, just like you. Peace bro.
May 1, 2002, 9:58 a.m. CST
'despite all my rage I am still just a LeeScoresby locked in a cage! despite all my rage I am still just a LeeScoresby locked in a cage!' Chill dude. While you comments about criticism on this sight are well founded, I think you would find that SO far the people who have posted to this board have thoughtful things to offer on this particular subject. Also, you comparison of 'Dark Water' to 'Spider-Man' doesn't hold up. No one is saying that foreign films need to be humongoid blockbusters. If you don't have the funds to see both movies, that's cool. Not everyone will, but there are people like me out there - people who would rather see both 'Spider-Man' AND 'Dark Water' and just skip a meal once in a while.
May 1, 2002, 11:54 a.m. CST
You know, the bit at the end where he bends over and takes the corporate dick. All this Vertigo guy has to do is spin some bullshit PR and the online critic drops his boxers for the Disney wang. If Roy Lee meant a word of what he said, the theatrical release of each crappy remake would be accompanied by the direct-to-video release of the original. As for these remakes being good movies, the concept is insane. I can't imagine that anyone who's seen the original Ring would be excited about the upcoming remake. Ring wasn't the movie it was because of the story. Let's be honest, the idea of a cursed video tape is kind of silly. Ring was good because of Nakata and his cinematographer. The guy who directed the Mexican isn't capable of anything on the level of that movie. Why should we believe that any of these other remakes will be any more inspired?
May 1, 2002, 12:03 p.m. CST
a friend of mine in the office here, a chinese guy named raphael and I were looking at this site awhile ago... he noticed some of the buzz around these asian films and was a bit startled that I (or any of us) had even heard of them..... he told me that most of them had been out for ages, and could be picked up in just about any china town with a movie store........we're all waiting for these big hollywood releases, and all we have to do is go to chinatown and rent em........now, i suppose it's safe to say that some might be illegal copies and whatnot but atleast there available.......speaking of which, i just noticed that Battle Royale can be found in Toronto!!! if anyone's looking for it, you can rent it from Suspect Video in Mirvish Village (beside honest eds)...... anyhow, for most of you probably this is all old news, but I had no idea.........neat what you can learn from your co workers..!!!
May 1, 2002, 1:04 p.m. CST
by Giant Fish
Matheson wrote a story called MAD HOUSE, where a man's rage and frustration seeps into the house over the years, and finally bursts out and kills him. Great stuff, actually. I wonder why more of his stories haven't been made into films. As for the whole import issue; my hope is that in, say, five years, when DLP projectors are common in theatres, we will see more of these films on the big screen, since price tags on distribution copies will drop to a fraction of what it is today.
May 1, 2002, 1:24 p.m. CST
by No. 41
it was called "The Shining."
May 1, 2002, 2:07 p.m. CST
True, # 41, but in that case Abre Los Ojos has been done before and it was called Vertigo. Same with La Jetee/12 Monkeys. Essentially Vertigo remakes. You can rework a film and bring something new to the table. My problem with many of the remakes and with Mr. Lee's statements here is that most people aren't going to know to seek out the original, because nobody will know that these remakes were based on an original. Case in point: Ring, which is arguably one of the much better known of the films that Mr. Lee is procuring (and with good reason; Ring is an incredible horror film. Hideo Nakata does just about everything right, without resorting to cheap thrills. And I don't think that Gore Verbinski could make a video that is anywhere near as creepy and horrifying as the original killer video in "Ring"). I live in Seattle, where Ring was shooting. A location scout from Dreamworks came by Scarecrow Video (Best Damn Video Store in the NW) to see if it might be a good place to shoot (Now, if there were a killer video, they'd have it at Scarecrow, and most of the staff would have seen it by now, and recommended it to all of their friends.) So when the poor Dreamworks woman comes in and mentions that they're looking for a location for a shoot about a killer video, practically every one in the store knows the movie, and they just mention that "Ring" (the Japanese version) is one of the best horror films to have come out in ages. The woman, who is working on the remake for Dreamworks, was completely taken aback, as she had no clue that the American version of "Ring" was a remake. This doesn't leave me with much hope that people will seek out the original, if people who are working on the remake don't even know it's a remake.
May 1, 2002, 2:23 p.m. CST
Is it me, or does "Grudge" sound a lot like James Herbert's "The Fog", which just has a broader scope?
May 1, 2002, 2:34 p.m. CST
May 1, 2002, 3:34 p.m. CST
I think the American remake will turn out to be a much better movie considering all of the talented people involved. Plus, the original version just got way too silly towards the end turing into a convoluted mess. Having said that, I do believe that the mythology of the 'cursed' videotape is still a genuinely scary concept that could make for great horror film.
May 1, 2002, 4:14 p.m. CST
Mori, I can remember only but a few scant months ago on how Harry ranted up and down that Hollywood was going remake crazy (being as all they're lacking in the fresh ideas department or at the very least "intellectually lazy"). An article like this points out the real trouble however. Namely, not remaking the right film. There's plenty potential here and you sound like you have the right idea with regard as to how this should be produced. Here's hoping it does well.
May 1, 2002, 7:15 p.m. CST
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought that was a good example of how you could release a Hong Kong movie in the US and make money. Not to mention the whole catalog of Jackie Chan dubbed ones that have been released.
May 1, 2002, 11:42 p.m. CST
ditto on the attention giving to 'critics'. if we don't keep trying to EXPAND american tastes, all we'll ever get is half-ass remakes. REMAKING it isn't the point! SEEING THE ORIGINAL IS!!! AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
May 2, 2002, 12:16 a.m. CST
by Cash Bailey
I like to pride myself on being a fairly tolerant, even-headed talkbacker but your 'they should remake SUSPIRIA because the special effects now will actually make it scary' quote is possibly THE MOST IGNORANT, RIDICULOUS THING I'VE EVER READ ON THIS SITE!!!! Where do I start to school you on how fucked up that is? Of course, we all know just how scary CGI is, after such terrifying masterpieces as THE HAUNTING and RESIDENT EVIL. With SUSPIRIA Argento needed only bold expressionistic colours, his own visual artistry and the most spine-freezingly disturbed soundtrack ever composed to make SUSPIRIA a terror ride unparralelled to this day, even when watching a scratchy, 20-year old video copy. A major dream of mine is to actually see this movie in a cinema to get the full visual and aural force of Argento's extraordinary, visionary masterpiece. Of course, according to you, what it really need is Joel Schumacher to put some waxy flying ghosties into it to 'actually make it scary'. Now I'm not surprised that Harry doesn't like SUSPIRIA (not surprised at all, actually), and I realise that SUSPIRA is an aquired taste, but I never thought I'd read anything regarding this film as stupid as that. You should be ashamed of yourself.
May 2, 2002, 9:43 a.m. CST
by Merry Slander
One can hardly call 12 Monkeys a remake of La Jete. It is certainly not analagous to the Vertigo remakes. La Jete had been out for decades by the time 12 Monkeys was made. Moreover, Ja Lete is not a movie, so to speak, it is a succession of black and white still images, which tells, with no dialogue, the time twisting story that 12 Monkeys would later stage as a major motion picture. Moreover La Jete is only about 20 minutes long. No one who has seen the two could argue that they, while presenting the same thematic idea of a person witnessing their own death, do so in any kind of similar way. They are so different that I would hesitate to even call 12 Monkey's a remake. It is more of like an adaptation from a different medium. Just food for thought. And Moriarty, get off the tit!
May 2, 2002, 9:49 a.m. CST
Oh, EvilReader, mine ancient foe....ye have returned to sow your narrow-minded, simplistic tripe again, and I'm all aquiver with nasty retorts. Please, someone, kill me. Soon. // e.
May 2, 2002, 9:50 a.m. CST
In direct response to Evil Reader: If you're looking for misogynistic ideas in pop culture, why the hell are you looking at Japan? Mainstream American films like Resident Evil and the 13 Ghosts remake are filled with misogyny and pointless gore, just like any exploitation movie. Besides which, we're not talking about Takashi Miike here. We're talking about Hideo Nakata and his imitators. These movies aren't known for nudity and violence. Ring, for example, has no actual gore. It also has strong female characters and no nudity. I would not be at all surprised if exploitation elements found their way into the remake.
May 2, 2002, 9:54 a.m. CST
For someone so morally offended by the genre, you *have* to be watching all of these films that you condemn before expressing your sweeping judgements upon them, right? Have you actually ever liked a horror film, and admitted it? It just sounds like Roy Cohn all over again- condemning blindly what you guiltily crave in the proverbial closet.... // e.