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Jimmy Smits in STAR WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE Super Special Edition''''

Harry here.... So the headline grabbed ya, here's what it is all about...

Hey Harry, a friend of mine told me tonight that he saw an interview with Jimmy Smits tonight on Fox News. Now according to my friend (who I have seen wrong only about four times) he said that Lucas had filmed some ADDITIONAL footage for SW: A New Hope. Appearently they filmed some scenes of Smits as Organa just before the Alderran is destroyed. Or something like that. You know what it's like having to hear news from "a friend of a friend." Anyways, thought this might be something you might want to look into.

Then WizardX sent in the following

Just got the latest Maxim in the mail today, and they interviewed Lucas. I still remember the article a year or two back where the ILM guy claimed to be working on an ultra-special edition of the original trilogy. The answer that Lucas gives when asked about this rumor is fascinating in its extreme dodginess.


Maxim: There's another rumor that you're planning an additional release of the original trilogy with even more new material than the Special Editions. Why are you endlessly tinkering with your own films?

Lucas: Again, I see these as one 12-hour movie, so I'm still trying to get it finished. The Special Edition was done because those films were not finished. I never really got to do what I wanted because of lack of funds or lack of time. By rereleasing them, I was able to fix a lot of the things that had been bothering me ever since I made them. If the films are ever released again -- and I'm not sure they're going to be -- it'll purely be to put them out there for a new audience.


I guess Maxim was feeling nice, since even Baba Wawa would notice Lucas in no way gave a straight answer.

As an interesting little addition, there's this exchange between Maxim and Jimmy Smits. It's quite possible he's 100% joking, but it's interesting that *Smits* sort of touches on the topic on his own.


Maxim: Is it a bummer knowing your character will one day be destroyed, along with an entire planet, by the Death Star?

Smits: You just know it'll be horrific! George actually told me, "I'm trying to figure out if I can add a little shot of you [in the original Star Wars] going, 'Aaaaaaaaaah! It's the Death Star! Aaaaaaah! Alderaan's gone!'"


Anyway, thought you might find this interesting if no one else has sent it in.


Harry here again... I am just hoping and praying that Lucas will be considerate enough of Star Wars loyalists to put out the original editions, with the original sound mixes and none of the clean up. Ya know... I prefer them. It is the reason I collect 16mm film prints... I like film. I like the scratches and the optical sound. And most of all I like that only time changes it. To think that people that have come about in the DVD age won't be able to see the original STAR WARS, before it said Episode IV: A NEW HOPE. When those effects geniuses were banging their heads against the walls trying to reinvent how effects were made. Those mistakes are important. It would be like the boating industry trying to erase the TITANIC, that mistake, that tragedy... That's the reason why things changed. If you look at Harryhausen's earliest work, and you learn why he went to England to make the jump to color... Well... That helps to possibly innovate future developments, but by erasing the best efforts of past filmmakers, the future filmmakers may never see how films evolved at all.

Now, never mind how utterly fucked up beyond belief reaction shots of the dying people on that planet would be. Right there in CARRIE FISHER's face was the terror, the tragedy and the loss... Obi-Wan feeling millions of lives lost light years away... That is the power of the loss. And if you introduce the planet in the next film, then it will add the weight necessary to further the impact in watching the series sequentially. Frankly, I don't think any of us can stop Lucas once he sets his mind on fucking with STAR WARS further, but I just hope he will listen to fans and put the ORIGINAL RELEASE VERSIONS on some DVD at Some Point SOON!

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  • April 19, 2002, 3:11 a.m. CST


    by jcasnaw

    MUHAHAHAHAHAH Now the world is mine Reed Richards

  • April 19, 2002, 3:12 a.m. CST


    by Lenny Nero


  • April 19, 2002, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by Lennard

    I agree Harry I was a wee lil lad when the "Holy Trilogy" came out I didnt notice the bad effects or anything like that I WAS A KID it didnt matter a wampas arse what it looked like. Looks like some people forgot that =(

  • April 19, 2002, 3:14 a.m. CST


    by Pink Bathrobe

    The movie's finished. That is so gay, George!

  • April 19, 2002, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Just cause

    by Darth Melkor

    Just cause someone heard on the TV this was possibly a rumor doesn't make it true. Don't start lashing out at George just yet.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Is all CGI Created Equal ??? (Again)

    by Rael Trajan

    Fuck no. There's as much variation in CGI implementation as in any other SFX technique. There are so many variables - skeleton movement (puppeting or motion capture?), resolution, texture, complexity of muscle, tendon modeling, etc. I'm sick of Fucking Clowns who claim that all CGI must look bad, and use that to defend bad CGI in film. We have the technology and money to do good CGI - Jurassic Park still stands up, for fuck's sake. A lot of character CGI fails because of a fundamental lack of understanding of physical principles like inertia and the fact that Big Things Appear To Move Slowly. The fakest aspects of LOTR was the Cave Troll moving TOO FAST, with the result that Legolas and the hobbits' balancing acts were Physically Impossible. I think every CGI tech should be FORCED to go to the Rodeo, to see what happens when Little Creatures interface physically with Big Creatures - they flap around the Point(s) of Anchor. A fucking elf slipper is not a point of anchor. It does not matter how strong or how dextruous a creature is, they are still beholden to the same laws of the universe as we are. Our minds scream FAKE when we see these laws violated. Things don't stick to each other like they're wearing Fucking Velcro Suits! 95% of fake CGI is caused by Dickheads who wouldn't know the Law of Conservation of Momentum or the Gravitational Constant if it bent them over a bench, spread their pimply cheeks and .... The technology is not to blame - people are. P.S. No one with any love of sf & f filmaking could equate fake SFX with the rational knowledge that a character does not in fact exist.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:29 a.m. CST


    by Sid James

    Will that bearded tosser please stop fucking around with my childhood.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:33 a.m. CST

    You stupid, ridiculous freaks! I'll FRIST your pretty face!!

    by Casino_Monkey

    For the love of cheese. You dumb fucks that put "FIRST!", what is your deal? Do you get sick joy from being first? I mean with the way the order is always fucked up your never REALLY first anyway, and you just look like tooser. And like three people all post "FIRST!" at the same time. *sheesh*. Though jcasnaw, that was pretty hilarous. Anyway, to the topic. I agree taht SW:ANH is best as original, and I want the original. But I still love to see the extra footage in the SE. And I will be goo goo over even MORE footage. So release SW:ANH SSE DVD. Hell, I'll buy it, and hug it, and love and call it George. But please do add The original aswell. I purchased 'Akira' on DVD and seems they re did the dubb (more acurate and the liek) which is great. But I loved the original. I loved the actors that did the vioces, I loved the mis-prenounceation (I know that's a spelling mistake, but whata ya ganna do?). So I was happy as lLarry to find out the original was on there aswell. Also where the fuck is the original trilogy on DVD? Is Luca$ waiting to release them in order? Sweet shit, it'll be 4 years before we get ANH on DVD. By then VDVD will be out and popular. Damn shit, poo. I acn'rt wait that long. I mean I know Luca$ will wanna release thre difrent versions any way, tio screw us into buyin multiple copy. Why note releae SW:ANH now. The after Episdode III he can release SW:ANH SE, and then later SW:ANH SSE. Well that's all I really got. I'm here all week, thank you and good night.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:49 a.m. CST

    While you're there, George...

    by Cash Bailey

    ...just do us all a favour and get rid of that stupid fucking 'Greedo shooting first' shit. Do you really want all these fanboys hounding you about it for the rest of your life?

  • April 19, 2002, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Not all bad...

    by tylerdurden

    I hate the Han shooting first addition and all that crap. But I don't mind the cleanup of the picture/audio. As long as the movie stays the same I like having a clear picture. I don't have to watch to a gritty image just so the next generation can see how film-quality evolved!

  • April 19, 2002, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Did I say Han...?

    by tylerdurden

    Oops... Greedo that is :)

  • April 19, 2002, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Episode 4.2 is a cool idea, and the first version of Star Wars d

    by Cruel Shoes

    It would be so GREAT to be able to watch Episodes 1-6 and have them interlock so succinctly. Everybody acts like this is another revision of Star Wars, I think it's actually a new idea. I've never seen anything like it before. Much like the Sextilogy in general. On the other hand, I'd like to have the original on DVD so when my videotape dies, I can still have my beloved Non-special edition on rainy Saturday when I'm not watchin all 6. And the ORIGINAL ORIGINAL version of Episode 4 said Episode 1, but I don't think many people have that print, and nobody's complaining about the change.

  • April 19, 2002, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Yeah, just who does this Lucas guy think he is?

    by Sssnakepit

    After all, it's not like he owns the rights to any of this . . . It's not as if he's the guy who created all of these characters and planets and stuff . . . Who does he think he is to foist his ideas on someone else's creation? I know if I was the guy who owned the rights to Star Wars I wouldn't put up with someone else telling me what I should do with my property . . . It just makes me so ang . . excuse me, my wife wants to tell me something. "What's that, Hon? George Lucas does own the rights to Star Wars? He is the guy who created all those characters and planets and stuff? OOPS! Guess I had better back off then." Now, what was I saying? Oh yeah, I guess George does have the right to do whatever the hell he wants to do with his own property. Even some of the grand painters of old used to get tired of their paintings and use the old canvas to create something new on top. Fanboys need to get a life and quit whining about stuff that doesn't belong to them. Sheesh, you wouldn't stand still if other people told you what to do with your life or your possessions. Let me prove it . . . get off your ass and take a walk. Get away from your computers, games, and DVD players and live life like a real human being and not just some soul-less avatar. What's that? I don't have the right to tell you what to do? Sorry about that. My bad.

  • April 19, 2002, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Jar Jar will be there too...

    by RicardoLuv

    apparantly, Jar Jar will be inserted into all three original episodes. he will accompany luke and ben on their travels and will be the person who introduced luke to yoda. that's the way lucas intended it all along, he just didn't have the money to make a creature with no appearance of weight and a rasta accent back in those days.

  • April 19, 2002, 4:56 a.m. CST


    by Bruce Leroy

    Lucas! You bloody fool! Leave it alone already! And as someone said earlier. Lucas will most probably release the original and special editions seperately on DVD. Oh man i should have seen it coming. Back in the day when i saw ANH special edition i didn't get that whole funny robot bit. It was so out of place. Now i understand it was a BAD sign of things to come, namely JAR JAR and those unfunny pit droids. Lucas always bitches about how Star Wars never had enough humour in it but NO ONE ever complained about THAT! Don't change things because you can. Do it when it's necessary. Now i understand him wanting to link the new and the old trilogy. But the tinkering is just getting out of hand. I feel this is not needed.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:08 a.m. CST

    I think it's a great idea . . .

    by Kerraddock

    . . . it just gives me more material for when I release the special edition of Super Console Wars: The Gamepire Strikes Gold , which of course you can find at

  • April 19, 2002, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Eventually I'll burn my original CAV laserdisc versions on t

    by Larry_Talbot

    I'm hoping that when it gets cheaper to do so that others will do this, sell them to us geeks at conventions and cut Lucas out of a lot of dough. Maybe when he releases them on DVD EVENTUALLY he might be cool and put both versions in there. Unlikely I know... sigh.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Harry yet again reveals his arogance dripping with Ignorance and

    by DoggyDaddi

    I LOVE how he climbs up on his soapbox and starts to wax philosophic, like hes some kind of fucking purist. EXCUSE ME STUPID!! The film has ALWAYS been Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope!!!! There was NEVER a time it WASNT. I was at the theaters when it first opened, and it was the first question I asked myself. I did my searching.. and found out about the "Journal of the Whills" .. and I learned about the evolution of the characters and their aspects. Next time you want to shed light on the huddled masses.. pull your head out of your ass first

  • April 19, 2002, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Maybe George could have Alderaan shoot first...

    by Eddie the Greek

    And miss at point blank range in a really irritating way. Just a thought.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:58 a.m. CST

    This sounds familiar...

    by Ernst Blofeld

    This is vaguely reminiscent of another story I heard, that Lucas had recreated Ben's home from ANH and had ideas for a scene of Ben interacting with the ghost of Qui-Gon. Sounds intriguing, but how the hell they plan to recreate Obi-Wan now that Sir Alec is no longer with us is beyond my ken. I really hope the original print is released on DVD - maybe touch up the Death Star battle scenes - I'm all for that - but lose Geedo shooting like a dick and the incredibly poor looking Jabba - they don't sit right. Hey, maybe George will change everyones haircuts. Now that would be a good idea...

  • April 19, 2002, 6:03 a.m. CST


    by Ernst Blofeld

    So now Talkbacks go backwards? Nice idea... Fucking sort it out! I thought this was a place for discussion about films! You can't discuss if it's all over the fucking place! Please read this post and delete it. Show some attention. Delete the firsters as well - it's "OFF-TOPIC BS" - as is this.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Maybe they could add to the lightsaber battle with Obi-Wan and V

    by Monkey_King

    since some of it looked like shit, Make Jabba look like the Episode I Jabba, re-do the lightsabers to look like the other films lightsabers and ...finally...make Vader less of a dumb, pussy-whipped Steppin-Fetchit to Tarkin

  • April 19, 2002, 6:40 a.m. CST

    "A New Hope" Title

    by DukeOfSpiders

    The subtitle "A New Hope" wasn't added to the original Star Wars until the film was re-released in late '79-early '80 just prior to the release of "Empire Strikes Back." If you remember differently, you remember wrong. I clearly remember when the subtitle first appeared and most audience members went, "Wha?!?" and then a Time magazine's article about ESB having a sidebar that explained the whole thing. Remember, when the first movie came out, Lucas had *NO IDEA* that it would actually make enough money to warrant a sequel. He didn't add the subtitle until he knew he could finish his story. Meanwhile, in news related to the topic, John Williams has already gone public in saying that Lucas has asked him to rescore certain sections and write new music for this revised version of the trilogy, mostly to add "The Imperial March" where appropriate.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:48 a.m. CST

    "A New Hope" Title

    by DukeOfSpiders

    The subtitle "A New Hope" wasn't added to the original Star Wars until the film was re-released in late '79-early '80 just prior to the release of "Empire Strikes Back." If you remember differently, you remember wrong. I clearly remember when the subtitle first appeared and most audience members went, "Wha?!?" and then a Time magazine's article about ESB having a sidebar that explained the whole thing. Remember, when the first movie came out, Lucas had *NO IDEA* that it would actually make enough money to warrant a sequel. He didn't add the subtitle until he knew he could finish his story. Meanwhile, in news related to the topic, John Williams has already gone public in saying that Lucas has asked him to rescore certain sections and write new music for this revised version of the trilogy, mostly to add "The Imperial March" where appropriate.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:51 a.m. CST

    DoggieDaddi, you are completely mistaken, I'm afraid

    by St Buggering

    In the summer of 1977, the words "Episode IV, A New Hope" were nowhere to be seen. This is documented, so I'm afraid that your faulty memory won't do as evidence. And on a related note, the original print of "The Wrath of Khan" did not say Star Trek II in the opening titles; it just said Star Trek. I liked it better that way, personally, but it's a minor point, I suppose.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:53 a.m. CST

    I think Smits is joking...

    by Mithril

    but by god I hope the "original" original trilogy will be released on DVD. Don't think it will though, as GL has said the original versions won't be released any more. Fuck that! I won't mind having the special editions for the good picture, SOME of the enhanced explosions, and the added Bespin cityscape, but I want the originals too (my video tapes are wearing thin) so I won't have to look at Greedo shooting first, the lousy Jabba the Hutt, all the added "fun jokes" in the background, the awful new band at Jabba's palace etc. etc. ***Oh, and Sssnakepit: yes, it is his creation, and yes, painters would sometimes paint over old works of theirs. But those paintings hadn't become a part of the cultural psyche. The paintings they could change were usually ones not owned by important people and visible to the general public. I think people would get pretty pissed off if Da Vinci suddenly stepped out from a time machine, went to the Louvre and announced after examining the "Mona Lisa" for a bit that he never felt fully satisfied with that smile on her face, and that he wanted a few farmers doing pratfalls in the hills in the background. Or if Picasso would say that he now thought those cubist painting looked awful and painted his artwork again to make all the people look realistic. Or if Beethoven had announced 20 years after writing the Fifth Symphony that he had always thought that the last note on the "da-da-da-daah" should go up, not down. GL has a right to his work, but the people whose psyche his works are part of have a right to be pissed off at any lousy changes he does!

  • April 19, 2002, 7:31 a.m. CST

    OH MY GOD!!!

    by CoolDan989

    This is a HORRIBLE idea!!! First George Lucas puts 'N Sync in Attack of the Clones, and now THIS? That old fool has lost his mind! Kick George Lucas out of the director's chair and put somebody else in! Please!

  • April 19, 2002, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I'd give my left Nut

    by Jungleman

    Ya know why can't Lucas get it right for once, i would give my left nut to have a version of Star Wars with some of the original cut footage like luke meeting up with Biggs at toshi station, the footage that gave it that american grafiti in space feel, and for god sake no more of this greedo shooting first kinda crap, the whole appeal of Han Solo was that he was a scoundrel, George has all the right keys but plays all the wrong notes.

  • April 19, 2002, 7:53 a.m. CST


    by foreverguardian

    At least that's what I heard a few years ago when TPM was in its infancy. I was working as a runner here in the UK, before I had to pay bills and get a real job, and I was told by several people that ROTJ would eventually be re-released with a new ending, featuring about 15 minutes or so extra material tacked onto the end, with the original cast, as an epilogue to the whole series. Anyone know anything about this?

  • April 19, 2002, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Blasters to be replaced by CGI water balloons in Super Special E

    by JAGUART

    George has now realized how irresponsible he was back 1977.

  • April 19, 2002, 8:30 a.m. CST

    It was in the scrolling storyline at the front you maroon

    by DoggyDaddi

    Its always been called episode 4.. a new hope

  • April 19, 2002, 8:31 a.m. CST

    The Imperial March in A New Hope? Exccccccccellent!

    by Antiriad

    Lucas should ditch Greedo shooting first, and redo Jabba as he was in Episode 1. Remember the lame excuses they came up with as to why he looked like that awful? I think it went along the lines of that he was "younger" and less "ravaged". Bullshit! Just a bodge job on CGI!!! Adding Qui-Gonn and Mace Windu along with Obi Wan, Yoda and Anakin at the end of ROTJ would be a nice touch. I wouldn't object to seeing Jimmy bricking himself in the face of the Death Star either!

  • April 19, 2002, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by Rain_Dog

    Fucking give it up, dude. The original theatrical release did not say Episode IV: A New Hope. No amount of assertion to the contrary on your part will change that. Oh, and everytime I see that smug fuck Lucas I want to slap him upside his fat head. I read an interview with him a while back where he was bitching about how tired he was at the end of shooting Episode 1 because he'd been working "from eight in the morning til sometimes five in the afternoon, five days a week for eight months." News flash, you tubby bastard, most people do that FOR 40 YEARS OF THEIR LIVES! Jesus Christ, I hate him. I hate how his beard has stayed in the same place over the past 20 years, but his chin has kind of collapsed out from underneath it. I hate how he seems to have no connection to the person he was when he made the OT. But most of all, I FUCKING hate midochlorians.

  • April 19, 2002, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Han Has a Beer and Shoots Greedo in the Balls ( first )


    I'm really torn on this.On one hand,I'd like to see "gaps" filled.Dub in Vader saying,"No fucking way I'm going to the surface of that dust ball of a planet".But wait.If Vader is so in tune with the Force,wouldn't he sense Obi-Wan on Tattooine? Ah screw it.Lucas is going to do whatever he wants-and I'll still love Star Wars.

  • April 19, 2002, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Trilogy Archival Restoration

    by Sardonicus

    That year-old story Wizard X is referring to was a Canadian newspaper article on a local boy who'd gone to work at ILM and was 'fixing' the Obi-Wan/Vader fight in ANH. After that story broke, more info started to surface about the Trilogy Archival Restoration, the obvious goal of which is to make the entire six-episode series uniform. The story goes that back in 1995, Lucas approached Fox (since they own the release rights) to tell them he wanted to remaster ANH for it's 20th anniversary; improved FX, added scene or two, cleaned up audio. Fox said, Great! Let's do all three! Lucas said there was only time to do ANH, besides, my people are already working on it. Fox insisted on all three, so eventually Lucas came around and split his restoration team into three units to handle all three OT flicks. This left some of the things Lucas wanted to do in ANH on the drawing board. Since he probably had already thought to do some sort of final restoration after Episodes I-III were done, he decided to continue making fixes to FX and whatever other changes he deems appropriate to the original trilogy and eventually release them once all six films were done and released. This is the Trilogy Archival Restoration project. It's real, it's ongoing, and you'll either hate it or love it. Get in line now.

  • April 19, 2002, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Give the guy a friggin break.

    by B-Man

  • April 19, 2002, 8:53 a.m. CST

    St Buggering your smoking crack

    by DoggyDaddi

    Every treatment & draft up to and including the Revised Fourth Draft back on January 15th, 1976 was CALLED "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope". If at some point in your little hallucinations you decide to do a tiny bit of research you can verify what im saying.. but of course your being anal and talking about a movie poster titles block or some such.. and not what the film has always been called and known to be from the very first

  • April 19, 2002, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Talk Back is Fucked Up

    by Pageiv

    Some times it goes backwards, sometimes forwards, sometimes the first few are on the bottom with the rest in decending order. WTF!!! Anyway, the spiecal editions kicked ass, except the greedo thing. I was so glad he got rid of those shitty ass effects in the first three. So get off the man's nut and let him do his thing.

  • April 19, 2002, 9:28 a.m. CST


    by lordbrockula

    George can do whatever he wants. Its his trilogy. Not ours. So what if he keeps adding and taking away, theres always gonna be the original. Oh yes he will release the original. His name is Lucas which means he likes money, so there will be multiple versions to buy. You people better get used to it because Speilberg is gonna start tinkering with Raiders of the Lost Ark. Thats a fact, saw it myself on Extra.

  • April 19, 2002, 9:32 a.m. CST

    What Lucas doesn't understand...

    by rev_skarekroe that his movies aren't just HIS movies. They're a part of movie history. Specifically, the ORIGINAL versions are a part of movie history. As such, these versions should be made available in a long-lasting format for future generations. Somebody who's stuff is in museum tours ought to understand that, but there you go. On another note, does someone want to buy this doggidaddi guy a clue? sk

  • April 19, 2002, 9:42 a.m. CST

    super special edition could be good

    by fuckyougeeks

    If Lucas comes out with a super special edition it could be a good oportunity to clean up the stuff he fucked up in the SE. In ANH he should go back to Han shoots greedos' balls first, and improve Jabba. In TESB the scene with vader and the emperor should be replaced with Ian Mcdiarmid as the emperor, and in ROTJ we could have more Ewoks killed. Also i think Jar Jar should be in ANH, getting tortured and killed by Vader at the beginning.

  • April 19, 2002, 9:49 a.m. CST

    I really hope someone at ILM reads this...

    by dmezei

    Lucas completely fucked ANH, completely. The effects in the original were far far superior to the crap he inserted in the special edition. The only thing he should have fixed was the landspeeder scene, which was the original intention. Now don't get me wrong, every artist wants to tinker and improve things, but Lucas should lay off the hamburger and milkshakes for a while and recognize that the effects MADE SENSE in the original, and he should also stop fucking with our minds and keep telling us that he had this 6 film sequence laid out years ago. AOTC looks more like ANH than anything else. Blah...

  • April 19, 2002, 9:49 a.m. CST

    PLEASE PLEASE give us on DVD the Super Special Edition Star Wars

    by Pallando Blue

    How many generations will only ever see this masterful celebration of Life Day on scratchy, impenetrable 10th generation VHS copies swapped at conventions and sold on eBay for $10? Don't the CHILDREN deserve a cleaned-up, sparkling edition for $39.99 straight into Lucasfilm coffers? Perhaps with new digital creatures added to Bea Arthur's bittersweet Cantina number? A holographic Jefferson Starship groovy rock and roll concert in full digital sound? Let's not make our little ones grow up in a world without crystal clear Harvey Korman sketches, or with only a warped, off-track climactic song by Carrie Fisher. And maybe you could add subtitles to the conversations between Chewbacca's wife ("Mahla"), his father ("Itchy"), and his son ("Lumpy")? Because the first goddamn ten minutes before a human finally shows up you gotta be HIGH to know what the hell is going on. Please George. For the children.

  • April 19, 2002, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Grasping @ straws

    by LeeScoresby

    Here's what happened: Some news station picked up on the Maxim article, and ran the Smits quote as a straight quote,rather than as a "joking and being funny" quote. Then this guy wrote in with it. As for Lucas being vague, this guy is on crack. He's not vague at all. Maxim didn't ask about Smits. They asked about another "special edition", to which, lucas replies, "I'm STILL not finished." theres your answer. Could this be any more unsubstantiated and unlikely?

  • April 19, 2002, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by laserdude

    You can see the original, non-improved, CGI-free trilogy with THX sound and DVD-quality. All you need is a laserdisc player and the "Ultimate Collection" of DVD

  • April 19, 2002, 10:02 a.m. CST

    pallando blue-

    by LeeScoresby

    I just want lucas to give in and digitally insert Bea Arthur into all the films. Her wiley and bittersweet chanteuese character could make for some wacky fun! Just imagine....Ep. 1: Qui-Gon Jinn finds a young Anakin Skywalker living with four retired women on the hot, beach planet Fl'oreedah. the boy is a gifted Jedi, but rue McClanahan's dark Sith powers prove too much for Gon Jinn. Mcclanahan slays Qui Gon in an epic battle, but Bea steals away with the child. Ep. 2: Bea Arthur is now a member of the galactic senate, but her annoying and possibly racist "new york dialect" has been replaced by the "high speech" of the senators. Arthur gets the film's largest laugh when Rose comes to visit her on Coruscant, wacky hijinks occur! Ep.4: c3-po and r2d2 are digitally removed from the film's opening. Instead, it is Bea Arthur who carries the important plans for the death star. Anthony Daniels supplies her voice, and her presence is now 100% CGI. On set, Bea is represented by a tennis ball mounted on a pole. Ep 5: Bea appears as a spirit to young Luke, shortly after his talk with Ben on Hoth. She tells him that he's destined to bring balance to the force....then asks how he's enjoying his steak. When Luke appears puzzled, Bea launches into a high energy musical number from Mame. It brings down the house. All Wampas in the area immediately drop dead from the sheer power of her golden pipes. Ep. 6: As the rebellion celebrates the end of the empire, a ghostly Bea Arthur looks on with Ben Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker and Yoda. Salacious housemate Blanche appears suddenly, growling that Yoda is "one fiiiiiine little green man". Yoda begins to sweat visibly. Brilliant. Sheer brilliance.

  • April 19, 2002, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Coming Soon: Star Wars - The Dolemite Ultimate Super Special Edi

    by Christopher3

    I'd believe it. Hey George: Indy 4!

  • April 19, 2002, 10:03 a.m. CST

    George's Cash Cow

    by FanHalen

    Didn't he use the first special edition to help finance Episode I? Why the fuck doesn't he just release the original trilogy on DVD for some dough?

  • April 19, 2002, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Another classic SW moment.......

    by GrayMatter

    ....."It felt as if a million voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced - I fear something terrible has happened" - Obi-Wan senses reaction to the news that Uncle George is once again to screw around with the originals. So Jimmy Smits is to be pasted into ANH to show Organa's reaction to the Death Star - what next, will Hayden Christiansen be digitally aged and pasted over the scene in ROTJ when Vader takes the mask off (oops - don't wanna be giving them any ideas!) Give it a rest George - we love the originals just as they are - there is NO NEED to tear apart your movies to show us what toy ILM has come up with this week.

  • April 19, 2002, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I'm holding out for the Ultra Mega Super Special Edition,.

    by Sofa King

    Where Lucas decides to 'fix' even more mistakes by digitally replacing Luke with himself and re-dubs all of the voices himself.

  • April 19, 2002, 10:30 a.m. CST

    like the scratches and the optical sound.

    by SutureSelf

    What's optical sound?

  • April 19, 2002, 10:53 a.m. CST

    shooting first..

    by darth vega

    maybe coppola will borrow his friend george's practice of changing his old films and have solozzo shoot first.....i know it's a bit late to complain about this revision, but i'm still bitter.....

  • April 19, 2002, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Can't you fucking people recognize a JOKE?

    by Vegas

    Imagine if EVERYTHING YOU EVER SAID was taken seriously. Pretty fucking ridiculous, huh? I mean, don't you people ever say things as a joke? Do you not ever use sarcasm? Do you not ever play with "what-ifs" when talking with your friends? Sometimes I'll say something like "When I'm president, SUV owners are going to be first against the wall." That does not actually mean I'm running for president! Fuck, you geeks think you're all soooooo funny whenever you're making your little witticisms here on talkback, yet you can't recognize HUMOR if it's rearing up and wiping its ass with you!

  • April 19, 2002, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I think he was partly joking.

    by Lobanhaki

    If he can pull it off, it could simply be a shot of Bail Organa in some sort of throne room being told the news of the Death Stars Arrival. As for revisionism, well lets see what comes out.

  • April 19, 2002, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I've posted it before, I'll post it again... if they wan

    by spider15

    I mean, for pete's sake, they've been sitting on this footage since they shot the original... it probably wouldn't have to be altered in any way, except maybe if it needs some restoration after being in the vault for 25 years (or is Lucas just not interesting in any prospect which doesn't require him to throw an emperor's ransom at it?) You know the ones I'm talking about: when we were originally to first see Luke in the movie, it would be when his old friend Biggs visits him, and Biggs tells Luke that he's joining the rebellion. The scene appeared in the "Star Wars" novelization (credited to Lucas but in fact penned by the ever-novelizing Alan Dean Foster) and was referenced in the later scene with the droids - which of course DID make the original film - in Luke's line "Biggs is right, I'm NEVER going to get out of here." (Biggs of course DOES appear again later in the film where he meets Luke again before they go to attack the Death Star - that scene also didn't make the original but was included in the "Special Edition" in 1997)Anyone else agree with me that they should simply put these Tatootine scenes back before they start doing anything (else) crazy?

  • April 19, 2002, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by Sid James

    How about tinkering with EPISODE ONE to make it good before making the alreasy good into unrecognisable soft gooey puss? Fuck cleaning up the prints etc how about cleaning JarJar crap right out of the picture?

  • April 19, 2002, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I don't see it as a problem...

    by Damitol

    ...*IF* Lucas releases the classic OT as well on DVD. Please - if you are going to read further, finish this post before sending hate mail. Face it - when ANH was first produced it was a one time, stand alone movie that George prayed would just make enough money to allow him to move on to another project. The six part Star Wars saga is meant to be a six film serial that will one day be viewed in the correct order by people who are not even born today. They never saw the OT. When they first watch "Phantom Menace", they will have no idea who or what a "Vader" is or that the little kid in Watto's shop will become the central focus of the series. The names Luke and Leia will mean nothing to them. When they get to "A New Hope", secure in the knowledge that Anakin dies a horrible death in Episode III, the first question out of their mouths will be "What happened to Padme?". The point of all of this is that there will be loose ends that will need to be tied up in the "Star Wars: The Ultimate Super Genius Six Part Extravaganza". That will mean tinkering with the OT one more time. It may well mean more "Greedo shoots first" surprises, ADR work that changes some dialog to mention prequel characters and events and yes, digitally manufactured scenes with interaction between Prequel and OT characters like Bail and Leia. In the end it will make the *overall series* stronger with better continuity and a similar look and feel. Corona reported a couple of years ago about a "local boy makes good" story in a newpaper where the guy talked about doing new digital Ben Kenobi death shots. Things like that will enhance the viewing experience of first time Star Wars saga viewers. And then there is us. We *did* see and cherish the OT as originally presented. We do want to be able to watch the "We don't have the budget for that" versions and be 10 again if only for a few hours. So - if George gives us the original three bare bones but with top notch image and sound, I couldn't care less what he does with the one day "final release" of the OT. More tinkering is unavoidable, even necessary if he wants a solid six-parter, and I will no doubt watch and enjoy the final results - as long as I have the option of also watching Han Solo end the Greedo problem the way he did back when *I* was 10.

  • April 19, 2002, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Nope, original release did NOT say Episode IV.

    by minderbinder

    It was only added in the rerelease a couple years later.

  • April 19, 2002, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Ernst Blofeld

    Here: Do you see... PS Vegas - with a policy like that you're a shoe-in for the Oval office

  • April 19, 2002, 12:12 p.m. CST

    As Long as the DVDs Include Everything, I Don't Care...

    by NoCureForFools

    Hopefully Lucas will be so kind as to include the original versions of the OT and whatever other edits or changes he makes along with the new versions. TPM could be heavily, heavily edited. that's where the focus should be...

  • April 19, 2002, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Turkish Star Wars: Special Edition CED?

    by Declan_Swartz

    Before laser disc there was CED( and I can not think of a more appropriate format for the special edition of Turkish Star Wars(

  • April 19, 2002, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Actually Leia didn't seem all that bummed that her home plan

    by happywaffle

    Sure she gave that tortured look when the planet blew up, but a short while later she's cracking wise at Luke, Han, and acting like an all-around bitch. I might be put out for a couple days if someone blew up the earth. Cause you know, no more Ben & Jerry's.

  • April 19, 2002, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by Ernst Blofeld

    Methinks you have a little too much time on your hands - but then again I did read it all. Some good ideas, but some truly fucking awful ones - why should Hayden play old Anakin? Do you think Lucas wants to get Ewan to play Obi-Wan old and reshoot all his scenes. I don't think so (most likely because Ewan would sooner punch him in the face). Do we need extraneous footage of the senate being dissolved? For every good idea, you follow it up with a bad one And the ending to ROTJ you stated was just poor.

  • April 19, 2002, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I have a great Idea: How about if Lucas has a great director rem

    by Tarl_Cabot

    Episodes 4, 5,and 6 were fine; But if George wants reinsert Hayden Christensen in heavy make-up for the Darth Vader death scene , have Ian M. play the Emperor in Episode 5 and give Boba Fett a more dignified death in 6 and keep in the movie for another 90 minutes (since Papa is so important in Episode 2) but the only really neccesaary change is a complete overhaul of The Phantom Menace.

  • April 19, 2002, 12:59 p.m. CST

    If Lucas wants to fix something he should fix...

    by Deagle2

    ...Leia's embarassing accent from Ep. 4 (That she picks up only for a few scenes and loses inexplicably). And George Lucas would NEVER release the original unedited trilogy again. Why spend all that time and money to fix and hide your "mistakes" if you're going to release the original versions? Actually, now that I think about it he might release the original unedited trilogy...15 or 20 years from now after everyone has bought the special edition on VHS, then bought the special edition on DVD, then bought the ultimate special edition on DVD, then bought the super ultimate complete criterion 6-movie deluxe box set on DVD. By then selling the trilogy in its original unedited form will be the only way to make any more money from Star Wars.

  • April 19, 2002, 1:06 p.m. CST

    This film will make a SHITLOAD of money!

    by Burp Fartman

    Remake the lame Jabba in ANH, thanks.

  • April 19, 2002, 1:10 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with Lucas changing Star Wars?

    by Deathy

    Seriously? It's his to do as he pleases, are you telling me that nothing is tweaked? You're on a computer aren't you? You have a car, you wear clothes. Almost everything gets tweaked. Let him do what he wants, it's his movie not yours. If you want it without Episode IV: A New Hope in the title go and buy the old school video. He'll probably rlease the "Original" Versions for you fanboys anyways, and if not, you rlife will still go on.

  • April 19, 2002, 1:13 p.m. CST

    How about adding a scene where Boba Fett does ANYTHING to justif

    by Morty Viventi

    Sure, he looked cool, but let's face facts. His only lines were all deferring to Vader ("What if he doesn't survive? He's worth a lot to me!" "Shut up, bitch!" "As you wish."), and in his ONE fight scene he promptly got his ass handed to him by a blind man.

  • April 19, 2002, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Brilliant, LeeScoresby

    by Pallando Blue

    I agree. Pure Brilliance. Genius unequaled. Except: Yoda's face needs to be digitally replaced throughout with Estelle Getty in heavy make-up. "Oy, such a brat you send me! This, I'm supposed to train? Too old, the schmuck." (The backward talking shouldn't be a problem.)

  • April 19, 2002, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Good Luck on original Star Wars!

    by cooldude

    Umm, doesn't anybody remember a few years back (1995 or 1996?)when Lucas released the original trilogy in THX on videotape, proclaiming it was your last chance to get the original versions? Well, it was. They used the masters to put in all that CGI stuff for the 20th Anniversary re-release in 1997. That's why, when you see Star Wars on TV now, it has all that added CGI stuff. There are NO new copies of the original trilogy without that CGI. Notice, I said no NEW copies. Lucas may also be sitting on an additional, unaltered set of masters (and he probably is, if he's smart).

  • April 19, 2002, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by hoorayforeric

    The new AOTC TV spots are online!! Here you go... Spot 1: "NO ANAKIN NO" Spot 2: "The Party's Over"

  • April 19, 2002, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Lucas, you money-grubbing self obsessed @$$hole

    by Insane Tiki

    I love Star Wars, I shouldn't have to explain that much, especially here. It drives me crazy to see my favorite movies "enhanced" and "special editioned" to the point where THEY AREN'T EVEN THE SAME MOVIES ANYMORE. As bad as the "special editions" were (which were special in the same way that someone painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa and saying, "There, that's better" is special), this just proves that Lucas has no idea at all just what made his original trilogy so special in the first place. How can you make "special editions" of movies that are already so special to so many people in the first place? And now Lucas needs to go back to his original films AGAIN, because he needs to bridge the gap more between the original trilogy and this one. Well, George, THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM IF YOU WROTE THE NEW TRILOGY BETTER! And now my favorite films are going to be raped again, and I have a knot in my stomach that tells me THIS is the DVD we're getting - the special added scenes edition. In the same way that the original untouched films have not been released since the "special editions" were spewn onto screens, these new added scenes will become part of my favorite movies forever. And you know what? After this, I'm not sure if they'll be my favorite movies anymore. I loved Star Wars, and Empire, and even Jedi. But cutting out original footage and putting in new stuff and calling it "better"? No. No, these aren't the films I loved as a kid, and still have a nostalgic tingle for. Nostalgic because, outside of my worn out VHS copies, I'll never get to see these movies in their original form again.

  • April 19, 2002, 1:34 p.m. CST

    John Williams

    by hoorayforeric

    John Williams just did an interview about the AOTC soundtrack and added that he and George want to add the Imperial March to the ANH soundtrack. JW seemed really excited about it and said that it would help with continuity of the films!!

  • April 19, 2002, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by WizardX

    Yes, I was the one who sent the article in. I cannot believe all the shit going around with this, down to it being linked to from other sites like Fark. Is it not 100% clear that Smits was joking? I included his quote for no reason other than it DOES suggest that Lucas has been *talking* about the Ultra-Special Editions. If he hadn't been, Smits wouldn't have mentioned it. Period. End of story. Q.E.D.

  • April 19, 2002, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Save Our Saga

    by DouglasAH

    We need to keep Lucas from furthering screwing with the classic Trilogy. Whether he's making the films more sensitive to the feelings of Rodian bounty hunters, covering up more of Leia in Jabba's Palace, or inserting a shot of Jimmy Smits catching a glimpse of the Death Star and spitting his coffee, he's defacing a work of art. I wouldn't let Da Vinci's undead corpse touch up the Mona Lisa with a moustache and goutee simply because "it wasn't complete...brrraaaains..."

  • April 19, 2002, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Jay and Silent Bob

    by zarkon

    Jay and Silent Bob are terrible, one-note jokes that only stoners laugh at. They're fucking clown shoes. If they were real, I'd beat the shit out of them for being so stupid. I can't believe Miramax would have anything to do with this shit. I, for one, will be boycotting this movie. Who's with me? Peep this!

  • April 19, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Make mine Alderaan

    by Counterpunch

    Hey a new Alderaan scene would totally rock the original Trilogy. I mean come on, Leia didn't do much when the Planet blew up anyway, she may have looked upset, but on the whole Alderaan was a passing moment for me because u never heard from this again. I say make a kewl seen where we see panic in teh streets, and total choas and destruction. i am all over that.

  • April 19, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Ralph Mcquarrie: Artist, genius.

    by Vizzini

    So much of a film is created by the Design Artists employed, not enough people realise this. We say that George Lucas sucks now? Well, George Lucas' input in the design of the Millenium Falcon was "Ralph, i want a spaceship that looks like a hamburger" And McQuarrie comes up with the coolest ship of all time.... Forgetting George Lucas...we have almost an entirely different artistic crew working on star wars at the moment, who are not responsible for the first films. The new crowd SUCK, mostly the main Graphic Designer guy, this man that created the yellow banana fighters, the flight of the navigator ship, the donnut Trade Federation ships, the retarded looked army of droids, the stupid looking clone troopers. None of his work even COMPARES to the ART and DEISIGN created for the first 3 films. I think that if we wound back time to before Episode One, we wouldn't dream the franchise in the hands of anyone else but lucas and his team, but now having seen the rancid fruit of their talentless labour, people with sense would say "GIVE IT TO *ANYONE* BUT LUCAS!!!" This man, took the fist star wars film, and has added the INSANE RETARDEDNESS OF GREEDO SHOOTING FIRST.......this man actually thinks this looks cohesive and natural in the scene...this man has lost it! If the current crew were the crew that created the OLD star wars films....Star Wars would not have taken off to the extent it has today. Picture the scene "Doug...draw me a ship that looks like a hamburger..." In return he would of got a sleeked back hamburger shape with a jet engine on each side...probably yellow in color... Geddit?

  • April 19, 2002, 2:16 p.m. CST

    This is my favorite example of how tinkering with a past film cl

    by Carson Dyle

    Anyone familiar with the original version of

  • April 19, 2002, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Lucas can do what he wants

    by slone13

    They're his movies. If he wants to change 'em, he can change 'em. Same goes for Spielberg making changes (additions and subtractions) to E.T. Get over it. All of you. You too, Harry. These films are being changed by the PEOPLE WHO MADE THEM. Because they want to. And they have every right to. The only issue here would be if some OTHER director was making these changes. But they're not. So just drop it. If Lucas wants to put out 15 versions of his movies, he's got every right in the world. THEY'RE HIS. Not ours. We're just lucky enough to get to watch them. Case closed.

  • April 19, 2002, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by Buzz Maverik

    Three days in Santa Rosa. I wanted a mission. And for my sins, they gave me one. Everyone gets everything they want. General Milius gave me my orders:"I knew Lucas at S.C. He was the top of his class. Nobody better. But now, he's operating on his own, completely outside of sanity. Your mission is to proceed into Marin County and terminate the C.E.O.'s command." "Terminate, sir?" "Terminate with common sense and good taste."

  • April 19, 2002, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Lord Vader Brags About His Kids...

    by Buzz Maverik

    "Real chips off the old block. The boy, Midacholorians-luv-'im, goes back to the homestead, sees that my clones have deep fried his Uncle and Aunt, and all he can think of is that it frees him up to get off Tatooine and take off with Kenobi for adventure. Reminds me of me, when I was young and whiney and still human. And the girl! She's even more priceless. I blow up her WORLD, her whole WORLD, mind you, she looks like she has gas for a second and that's all we ever hear of that! You have to wonder why I put forth any effort at all to turn 'em over to the Dark Side. They were already there. Of course, if you look at the moral codes in this Galaxy, they're pretty twisted. Get this, I almost didn't get to be a Jedi when I was 10 years old because I missed my mother. Now, what kind of cold hearted bastard would a 10 year old be if he didn't miss his mother? I'd hate to run into him in a Dark Tree cave, I'll telluwhut."

  • April 19, 2002, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Then, Vader Said...

    by Buzz Maverik

    "Of course what do you expect. I mean, we're all the products of the imagination of a guy whom, after 15 years of marriage, or whatever, gives his wife a compliment for the first time by telling her that he thinks she's a pretty good film editor."

  • April 19, 2002, 2:39 p.m. CST

    A new hope, episode IV was always there

    by blazevette

    I was very little when I saw star wars and I remeber asking why it was episode iv, being told that meant 4 and asking where the other 3 were. Then I checked my old tape that was copied from the video store when it was first released and it said it as well. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE!!!

  • April 19, 2002, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by nazismasher

  • April 19, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Opening Crawl

    by Ernst Blofeld

    The IMDb states in their trivia section that the film did not contain the episode number or the subtitle and that they were added for re-release ( This strikes me as making sense. Why would Lucas put up "Episode IV" on a film he was worried no one would see? It was added after the film was a success (see further down on the page for details from Gary Kurtz about the overall story arc)Your videos came out after the film was a success - and it was finally out of the cinema - many, many months later.

  • April 19, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I think that would be cool

    by The8thSamurai

    I always felt that was a shot that was missing from the movie. You never really get a sense of scope. You really need to see some of the destruction from the surface to really get how powerfull this weapon is. Can't wait to see it.

  • If this was any other director wanting to fight the powers to get out his/her Director's Cut of their vision, you'd be arm-linked behind him ready to fight alonside them. But, no, George can't do that. George isn't allowed to touch his own films. George isn't allowed to fine tune his vision, because George made a masterpiece first time around. Fuck off everyone who says "leave A New Hope alone, don't do this with it, don't do that." Shit, George, put in as much extra effort as you want; after all, it's your story. And anyway, I'd prefer to see ANH a bit polished up. How badly have Hamill and Ford's hairstyles aged? Nice to see Ssnakepit agrees. Lucas rules, he knows what he's doing. He knows how to make a film loved by millions for years upon years. After all, if he didn't, none of you whiners would be sobbing your beady little eyes out on this Talkback forum about the film he made 25 years ago.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The "A New Hope" question...

    by agentcooper

    The original title when the film was released in 1977 was simply "Star Wars." "Episode IV: A New Hope" was not a part of the title roll up. "Episode IV: A New Hope" was added to the title rollup beginning with the pre-ESB re-release and has been a part of the film ever since. Star Wars (the original) was released on video in 1982 (around May if memory serves). "Episode IV: A New Hope" WAS included in the title roll up of the video version. The movie did not play on TV or on VCR prior to this release, so any time you've ever seen it on TV, it has been with "Episode IV: A New Hope" as part of the Title roll up. Hope this clears things up. AOTC will rule, by the way.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Me, I'm waiting for Biggus Dickus Edition

    by nazismasher

    Come on! Hard core X-rated Star Wars. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

  • April 19, 2002, 3:14 p.m. CST

    The last word on the opening crawl

    by Carson Dyle

    I saw the 8:00 PM screening of "Star Wars" at Mann's Chinese Theater on May 25, 1977. There was no "Episode IV" in the title crawl. End of debate.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:20 p.m. CST

    allright harry...allright allright! wise words...

    by drjones

  • April 19, 2002, 3:30 p.m. CST

    The original VOICES

    by Darth Brooks

    I miss the original voice that said "The rebel base will be in firing range in seven minutes" and the NON-distorted voice that said "Death Star approaching". Also the read that Luke has when he says, "R-2, see what you can do with it. Hang on back there!" - - NOT the distorted "Hannng onnnn bggk there!" Dang. I had all these taped on cassette from the 1977 release and my roommate lost my cassette, the player, and a microphone. It's okay though - he broke his femur skiing so that's payback. George, if you're slapping together the DVD set, PUT THE ALTERNATE AUDIO TRACKS IN! P.S. It wasn't called Ep. IV until TESB. The joke was that he released TESB as "Episode V" because he could go back and name SW as "Episode U" and do 20 more prequels.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:30 p.m. CST

    DukeOfSpiders is correct: Here's The Time Magazine Article

    by FortyWatto

    "A New Hope" wasn't added until the first VHS release ('81 or '82), and all doubters are just plain wrong. Sadly, I'm old enough to remember this well, and as a kid I saved (and still have) all Star Wars related movie covers. I have in my hands Time Magazine's cover story on "Empire Strikes Back." I don't have a scanner, so I'll type it verbatim. In a sidebar to their film review ("The Empire Strikes Back is a more polished and, in some ways, a richer film. But to imitate Yoda's way of speaking, and to answer the obvious question, as much fun it is not.") there's a photo of "Episode V" from the opening scroll, with the following beneath it: "The very first surprise in The Empire Strikes Back comes in the opening credits: the movie is identified as Episode V. Since it is the immediate sequel to the original Star Wars, that opus has been retitled Star Wars: Episode IV, raising a meteor shower of questions. The answers: Lucas has begun his space saga in the middle, and both pictures are the centerpieces of a projected nine-part series." The article then continues with Lucas's (pretty much accurate) description of the first trilogy and then: "Episode VI, the next film to be made, which will be called Revenge of the Jedi, will end (the Skywalker story) with either Luke or Darth Vader walking away from their final bout. The last three episodes involve the rebuilding of the republic."

  • I saw Star Wars about fifteen times in 1977, when I was sixteen--it was NOT called A NEW HOPE. As other posters have pointed out, this was added for the reissue of the film that came out before The Empire Strikes Back. In fact, when we viewed the original change you could see the "Episode IV" part of the crawl "drifting" out of synch with the original crawl effect because it had been superimposed afterwards. As an old fuck, this is what appalls me about this community of "movie lovers"--everybody thinks movie history begins with Star Wars, and specifically it apparently begins whenever they saw Star Wars on Cinemax for the first time. Lucas can do whatever he wants but if you look at movies as artifacts of their time (bad haircuts and all) it's just sad to see Star Wars being eviscerated this way. The Star Wars effects are incredible, Oscar-winning visual effects FOR THEIR TIME. Why the hell can't people go into a movie with some tiny knowledge of movie history and say 'Yes, that was the way it was done in those days' instead of whining that a 25-year old movie actually has 25-year old special effects? Get over it already!

  • April 19, 2002, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Why George Should Leave STAR WARS (I Will Never Call It A NEW HO

    by Buzz Maverik

    You clones are right when you say it belongs to George and he has the right and blah, blah, blah, all hail to George, yoda-yoda-yoda. BUT just because ol' Fuzzy has the right, and he can, doesn't necessarily mean he should. Here's the deal: he should be making NEW films. STAR WARS went to his head. You love STAR WARS? Well, George could have done and could be doing a helluva lot more.

  • April 19, 2002, 3:46 p.m. CST

    You know, I was going to try coming up with some funny line here

    by brokentusk

    George Lucas is an idiot. I said it. I've been thinking it for the past year, but I never really admitted it to myself. Maybe he wasn't an idiot in his youth, but now he is an idiot. An idiot with money and power is extremely irritating. To hell with Rick McCallum as well - I'm convinced he's whispering evil things/ideas in George's ears - damn it, why can't they just stop seeking cash for once... Bring 'Star Wars' onto DVD and stop messing with it!

  • April 19, 2002, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Only changes needed

    by darthponti

    Firstly, I agree with Harry... Jimmy Smits is not needed for episode IV. The only changes that I feel are needed are: 1) allowing Han to shoot Greedo first (as was really intended). 2) Changing a scene in Episode V. No, I'm not on crack. I think Lucus should roll out the blue screen and film Ian Mcdairmid (in his robes) saying the EXACT SAME lines from that scene. Then Lucus can put Mcdairmid's face and voice in that scene, so that the same (and excellent) actor will be the Emperor in the entire series. It would not be a jarring change. I just feel that it would provide continuity.

  • April 19, 2002, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Story Book

    by Yossarian

    When I was a kid, there were a series of books directed at 8-12 yr old kids. They was pretty large (maybe 14 x 10) and had these great high-quality glossy photos from various movies with a very slimmed-down "novelization". My aunt got me one each time an epsiode of the trilogy was released and the one for Star Wars (notice I didn't call it ANH), and I think it had the scenes where Luke is watching the battle through his monocular and where he and Biggs talk. Am I wrong? Did anyone else have these as a kid? Or am I crazy?, cuz if I am, I don't have to fly anymore bombing runs...

  • April 19, 2002, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Yup....never underestimate the power of the For$e...

    by RobinP

    I heard about the rumor that Luca$ is once again planning to add more to the original trilogy about a year ago. If memory serves, it was reported somewhere that he was filming additional scenes during the "Clones" shoot, and that he had already dome the same on the TPM shoot. All this unspecified extra footage was to be added to the existing trilogy to make them a better collective whole. The continuity will be improved.(Yeah, I can't help but be cynical is he going to explain how Anikin Skywalker builds C-3PO, then doesn't seem to recall him at all in later movies as Vader ? If I'd built a robot when I was a kid, I'd remember him !)Anyhow, the long and short of it is, as long as we keep plying him with our entertainment bucks, Lucas is gonna go right on milking his cash cow until either it or our wallets run dry.

  • April 19, 2002, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by seekup

    You guys are forgetting, its HIS movie. Lucas can do whatever the hell he wants with it, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Better yet, go make your own movie with all the sh*t you want in it so you don't have to pay Lucas to be entertained. Granted, some of this extra stuff doesn't float my boat either, but I don't bitch... Thats it.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Just put back "Bring my Shuttle!" in V...

    by Shaggins

    ... and I'll be happier. And please can someone tell Harry Knowles (and other assorted foul mouthed scum) that Lucas' curiosity may result in his reading this talkback. If I were he I guarantee you that in retaliation I'd do my utmost to insert a close up of the titian-red folicles on Jabba's head in the Super Special Editions. Also Rain Dog, you need to come correct. Don't EVER open your poodle bitch mouth against Lucas or SW like that again or I'll ensure that you wind up in a box... with noodles and hoy sin sauce. You slobering mutt, while "A New Hope" didn't appear on the film print until 1981, unless I am mistaken it appeared as a chapter heading in the novelization of Star Wars (Star Wars - From the adventures of Luke Skywalker - Ballantine Books) as early as 1976. Even if it didn't I am certain that it appears in at least one version of the script prior to the release of the movie and even if that turns out not to be true it cannot be said that Lucas did not have more than one Star Wars chapter before he started writing Empire. "From the adventures of Luke Starkiller/Skywalker" should be enough to point this out you full, complete dope. BTW if anyone is upset by talk of more tweaking you should all remember that the OT Star Wars you know and love was itself fashioned from a thing containing "C.J. Thape", "Captain Bloodory" and "Opuichi!" - it was tweaked to the "perfection" you hold so vaunted. Unlike you it's creator KNOWS what it was SUPPOSED TO BE. Therefore he has every right to tinker with it until he is satified.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Attention All Directors: Please stop retro-actively fucking up

    by Carson Dyle

    As much as I admire and respect George Lucas, I have serious issues with any artist who goes back and futzes around with a perviously completed work -- especially one as carefully crafted as the original "Star Wars.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Re: Lucas milking his cash cow

    by jorson2

    "Lucas is gonna go right on milking his cash cow until either it or our wallets run dry." Robin-P, it only dries up YOUR wallet if you buy the same damn thing every time it's rereleased. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. I only bought the tapes again recently because my last set got lost between three moves in two states, and technically, I probably could have gone without myself. God bless Lucas for being a true capitalist. He puts it out - videos, toys, DVD's, cups, you name it - some of you guys probably buy it, then complain that it's somehow a mean-spirited character flaw of his that all your money's going to buy his products. You guys oughtta put half the work and passion into some project of your own the way Lucas did with Star Wars. Then hopefully, you'd have money of your own and you wouldn't have to complain about someone else having it.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode VII

    by Dr Solar

    With the cash cow that Star Wars is, I would not be surprised if long after Lucas is gone, his descendants do not continue the saga like Star Trek. Star Wars: The Next Generation (7,8,9) or perhaps Skywalker: The Continuing Adventures of the New Republic. Personally, I don't mind if Lucas continues to tinker with the films to make them into a more integrated feature. I just want him to make the original that I love available too. But I don't think that he would stop at Bail Organa. I wouldn't be surprised to see additional scenes with the Emperor. Also, I would bet that Qui-Gon Jinn gets digitized into the last shot of the Jedi at the end of ROTJ. So we'd see Luke looking at Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Anakin & Yoda.

  • April 19, 2002, 5:53 p.m. CST

    jorson2, no argument here, pal.

    by RobinP

    I agree with you totally....we're as much to blame as Lucas is. It's a vicious circle, where he gets richer and we get poorer. We pay him for showing us a minimum of new stuff....think of it, I paid what

  • April 19, 2002, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Fixes needed in Definitive Edition

    by DouglasAH

    Definitive Edition being the version God-fearing humanity brings out to correct the natural order after Lucas kicks the bucket. 1) Delete the dewback that walks between the camera and the actors outside the Cantina. 2) Turn down the volume on the other Dewbacks, they shouldn't drown out dialogue from the other side of the spaceport. 3) Restore the X-Wings opening up in sucession. 4) Add more TIEs in the Death Star dogfight, two or three just doesn't cut it, and rabid fans always defend this flaw in the original with idiotic conspiracy drivel instead of admitting that it was merely a budget problem. This should've been Lucas' #1 priority in throwing more money into a Special Edition. 5) Han shoots Greedo first, heck, maybe even ambushes his punk ass when he walks in. 6) Put some weight on Jabba, he's just not fat enough. He's Rosie fat, definitely not Jabba fat. And give him a tongue and a mouth, not a big black hole in his face. 7) Either ditch the part where Han steps on his tail, or make him get a little pissed. Jabba looks like a pussy in SE. 8) Restore the original Wampa, the new one looks fake in comparison, and the whole scene is ten times more effective when we are shown only glimpses of the creature, instead of a guy in a fur suit grubbing on a Tauntaun drumstick. 9) Get rid of the black lines around the vehicles in the Hoth battle. That was supposed to be one of the main reasons for touching up the film, but the damn things are still there. Probably too busy defiling a film classic, I guess. 10) Lose the screaming Luke. 11) Restore Vader's shuttle line, ditch the fleeting, half-second shot of him walking out to it. 12) Restore the original Jabba's Palace number and music, keep Boba Fett macking on the ladies. Yelling for them to repeat that stupid song in SE once again makes Jabba look like a pussy. 13) Almost forgot. In Empire, restore the "you're lucky you don't taste very good" line to Artoo, and any banter they cut out in SE. 14) Restore the Ewok song, even as we see the celebrations going on other worlds. The music they play instead in SE is nearly depressing in comparison.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by RobinP

    Just out of curiosity, I checked the original novel from 76, which I have right here (points to nearby bookshelf) and "A New Hope" doesn't appear anywhere in the text. are totally correct, in that before the original film was released, it was made perfectly clear that this was the fourth part of a proposed series of NINE films.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Please, God, NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

    by mascan

    When will Lucas learn to stop fucking with his own movies?!?! He started to earn my respect back when I heard all these good things about AOTC, but now it seems like he's going back to his old "Greedo shoots first" self. For God's sake, Geoge, leave well enough alone!

  • April 19, 2002, 6:16 p.m. CST

    So that's why the original SW trilogy is so great...

    by Dragonfire

    because it wasn't complete. The more 'complete' Lucas makes his vision, the more it seems to suck. The additions to the special editions were ridiculous, especially that embarassing musical number in Jabba's palace. He had all the money and time he needed with TPM and look how that turned out. To me this sounds like a bullshit rumour anyway.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Re: Fixes needed in Definitive Edition

    by IAmLegolas

    You forgot : 1. Take out the lame Boba Fett death scene and give him a better one -OR- at least get rid of the lame yell he emits and the Sarlaac burping afterwards. For a character that is a fan favorite and whose backstory will be fleshed out in the upcoming prequels, he needs to die better than a burp joke! RESPECT, mothaphucka! 2. Fix the sound effect on the blaster shared by Luke and Leia before they swing across the Death Star chasm. When Luke shoots it it sounds like a laser blaster. When Leia grabs it from him and uses it, it sounds like a shotgun! 3. Get rid of the Tarzan yell emitted by Chewbecca with him swinging on the vine on Endor. Tarzan didn't exist in the Star Wars universe and it takes you out of the movie experience. 4. Ditch the rat creatures at Mos Eisley, they look like cartoons and sound cheesy.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:43 p.m. CST

    1 legit reason to make a Super Special Edition

    by oldschoolatari

    Like a lot of people, I wish Lucas would just quit tinkering already. But if he's going to make a Super Special Edition, there's one thing I'd give anything to see: Jabba getting tossed into the sand pit in "Return of the Jedi." Wouldn't you just love that? Then the monster could spit Jabba back out, as if he weren't fit for consumption or something. (I have to give Roger Ebert credit for mentioning this in his review of "Return of the Jedi: Special Edition.") Now that's a bonus scene people could get up and cheer about.

  • April 19, 2002, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I Still Like You STAR WARS Fans(Except For The Moron Who Made A

    by Buzz Maverik

    I had a dude who runs a Quentin Tarantino website go ballistic over some gag script scenes I've posted. At least you guys know when a joke is a joke. Anyway, young Padawans, among the many things George Lucas used in his backstory for our beloved space opera was THE JOURNAL OF THE WHILLS by Mace Windu, which is very cool sounding but meaningless. A NEW HOPE came around the time of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Now, I don't doubt that George wanted to do a nine film cycle all along, after all, that's what he's sort of doing, or at least 2/3 of it. But did he INTEND to? I don't think so. Remember, this is hard to believe, but he barely got the first film made to begin with. Everyone but Alan Ladd Jr. was stupid enough to reject it. In those days, there weren't a lot of sequels and there'd certainly never been anything like STAR WARS which had both a cult and mainstream audience. Even Lucas felt that all he could hope for was a modest hit and most of his friends figured the film would flop. Until it was a colossal hit, George just didn't have the clout to expect to make a nine film cycle. I feel that A NEW HOPE is a boring subtitle. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, THE RETURN OF THE JEDI, THE PHANTOM MENACE and especially ATTACK OF THE CLONES sound like wonderful space opera serials, as Lucas intended. I will never buy the b.s. that the whole saga is planned out. Lucas is too straight laced to have a brother and sister making out, even if they don't know their brother and sister. And Obi Wan's whole "true from my point of view" was bad writing at its baddest, which could only be redeemed in a future episode by Lucas doing something that I know he'll never do: shift point of views and show us that Obi Wan and the Jedi weren't as good and honorable as they were cracked up to be, and that the Sith (especially Darth Maul) weren't as bad as they were portrayed. Because as a fan who is still a fan but has not surrendered his brain to George, I could swear that if George were a better writer, he was telling us in THE PHANTOM MENACE that Qui Gon and Maul were the last two honorable men in that galaxy.

  • April 19, 2002, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I read this several weeks ago

    by Andy Andy

    Wow. I saw a blurb on it on the yesterday, i guess harry read it there. I am really surprised he didnt post this sooner.

  • April 19, 2002, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Oh and by the way......

    by Andy Andy

    I also read on that John Williams discussed this as well. He said he was looking forward to adding the Imperial March to Episode 4 and revisiting something he did way back in 77. You may want to read that article, its a bit more comprehensive than this.

  • April 19, 2002, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Ultimate edition

    by moe_syzlak

    All of the Stormtroopers will now be carrying walkie talkies instead of blasters.

  • April 19, 2002, 7:48 p.m. CST

    intruiging, but...

    by ewem

    DVD being what it is...there's just no excuse not to have both the original version and whatever special edition incarnations of the movie at the same time. DVD has enough memory and space. How many special, special editions can we have here? This is taking on Trek-like proportions of sucking blood out of something. (Except Trek's been dead for several years whereas SW is still bright and popular, even after TPM.)

  • April 19, 2002, 8:22 p.m. CST

    on to more important things.

    by saintaugust

    Yes, this debate about special editions is quite fascinating, but I believe it's time to revisit the most important question in the Star Wars universe: Does the lightsabre in fact cauterize a wound it is used to inflict? Look at the facts, it's time to debate.

  • April 19, 2002, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Boy band "FingerBang" to appear in Eps. 3

    by Shepdog

    The original release of Star Wars did NOT contain "Chapter IV..." in the crawl. I have an old bootleg of Star Wars from 1979 on video (transferred from a V-Cord recording, I believe). It frame flips a lot and is meat grinder quality but it is clear that the crawl doesn't contain anything about chapters. I also have an old issue of Starlog magazine that has a screenshot of the scroll that doesn't contain this chapter iv business. That should settle it.

  • April 19, 2002, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Just Discovered!! Jimmy Smitts' dialog for Episode 4 additio

    by RenoNevada2000

    "Hey, Jar Jar! What's that up there?"

  • April 19, 2002, 8:49 p.m. CST

    shooting first, again

    by darth vega

    i thought i'd spark a discussion with my godfather comment, buti guess i was let me ask the question outright...what other great movie scenes could be ruind employing lucas' "gredo shoots first" revision tactic?? i've given my example and i've heard someone suggest that raiders could similarly be ruined in the sword/gun scene...any more examples???

  • April 19, 2002, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Attack of the FACTS

    by Bababooey Fett

    George did NOT have all "9 episodes" plotted out prior to making Star Wars. He had one story (Star Wars) and some general backstory for each of the characters. The idea to make Star Wars into Episode 4 came after George got the greenlight to do The Empire Strikes Back. He liked the idea of three seperate trilogies and wanted to give himself the option of revisiting the backstories in detail some day. Early drafts of TESB include visions of Luke's father (NOT Vader) & a love triangle between Luke, Leia (NOT related), & Han. Lucas chose the Vader as Luke's father storyline because it was the BEST story. He has always admitted to sacrificing continuity to make the best possible story AT THE TIME. He did the same with ROTJ - he had the ending all plotted out, except he couldn't find motivation for Luke to violently attack Vader. Presto... Leia is now Luke's twin sister & Lucas has his completed story. Do some research, the info is out there.

  • April 19, 2002, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Shaggins, you are mistaken...

    by Bababooey Fett

    I have the 1976 novelization of Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (Ballantine), & there are NO chapter titles, only roman numerals. The term "A New Hope" does not appear in the novelization. Yossarian: You are correct (I also HAD that book - The Story of Star Wars). The scenes that you described were shot by Lucas and part of the original script (they still exist in the novelization). Lucas deliberately cut them because he liked the way that Leia brings the droids to Luke, the droids bring Luke to Ben, Luke brings Ben to Han & Chewie, & so on. He will NEVER put those scenes back - one of his better decisions.

  • April 19, 2002, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Ricardoluv you are a funny fuck, and Buzz, your ideas are...inte

    by BarrelRider

    I wish you'd elaborate some about your statement about Qui-Gon and Maul. My view on the whole thing is, if he wants to keep tinkering with the movies, OK but wait until you've finished Episode 3 at least. Then you might have a hope hell of getting the Jabba/Han scene right.

  • April 19, 2002, 10:09 p.m. CST

    in the special-special edition

    by Crazy Fresh DJ

    will they keep in all the mistakes that are loved so much, like the stormtrooper bashing his head on the door? or will they re edit it, add some CGI so now the stormtrooper misses the imposing door and says 'Ha! Too fast for you, sucka!'

  • April 19, 2002, 10:44 p.m. CST

    No ones trying to handcuff Lucas.

    by Vizzini

    Its not the fact thats hes touching up his old films that bothers people. Its the fact that we WILL BE DENIED THE CHOICE because Lucas will not release anything thats not his "Definative" vision. In our bitching ALL WE ASK is the choice to get EITHER version on DVD. But we all know he just wont allow this, do don't deny us our right to bitch about our favourite films get destroyed, bit by bit. Someone should really start an online petition for the Classic star wars trilogy to get a realease.....there is a huge market for this.

  • April 19, 2002, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Let's see if I understand this . . .

    by NerdBird

    If Spielberg messes up "his" movies, its okay. They belong to him because he was the DIRECTOR (but not the writer because he lied about that and couldn't put a noun and verb together without it blowing up in his face). But if Lucas messes up ESB or ROTJ, and he wasn't the director, that's okay -- because they are still his movies. Gee, and all along I thought movies were collaborative efforts. Don't the writer's, producers, bankers have a say? Lucas is demented as well as an egomaniac. I regret I ever had anything to do with SW. Boycott it. It is THE ONLY HOPE.

  • April 19, 2002, 11:56 p.m. CST

    special special edition

    by Killbot

    Long time listener, first time caller. Well I've been thinking for a while now that George is going to go over the original trilogy one more time before putting out the "six-pack" it would explain why he's so vigilant about not putting anything out until 2006. Frankly, I'd be surprised if he didn't, there are bound to be at least a few continuity issues that need a final "ironing out." Besides, I think it would be kind of cool to pop Mckellen into ep. 5 and Hayden into the end of 6. It'll tie it in nicely, and replacing two 30 second performances from non-essential actors(no offense guys) is nowhere near the same as replacing Alec Guinness. As for the merits of the special editions in general, I think it's clear that there are both good and bad things about it. Word about less Jar Jar in ep. 2 could be a sign that George actually does listen to the sometimes overly bitter complaints from the fans, so who knows, maybe he'll decide to lose the Jabba scene, Greedo firing first, Luke's lame ass scream in ep.5 (sounds like Charlie Brown when Lucy yanks the football out of the way, doesn't it?) and if we MUST have DV order somebody to "tell my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival" at least get James Earl Jones to read the line, whose voice is that, anyway, one of the interns who happened to be hangin around? "OK, who can do a good Darth Vader voice?" Whoa, gettin a little overly bitter myself. Yes there were some things wrong with the SEs, NOT because it's "wrong" for George to go in and mess with the movies, but because some (not all) of the decisions made were poor. So at least rail on George for the right reasons, NO ONE can argue that the SE trench scene in ep. 4 is worse than the original, it's clearly way better. Does anyone know, is George actually on record saying anything specifically about Greedo firing first, or Luke screaming in Cloud City? Part of me still wants to believe he went to bed early that night and the kids had their way without asking dad.

  • April 20, 2002, midnight CST

    A New Hope, like visual effects, was added later...

    by Electric_Monk

    When Star Wars was released in 1977 it was called just that, Star Wars. At the time Lucas made the film, he had no idea he was going to be able to make sequels -plus 20th Century Fox owned the film at the time, and they did not know how to market the film and they would never release a film that had a notification that this was the fourth of six films. When the novelization was released, it carried the the subtitle "From the adventures of Luke Skywalker", giving one the impression that there was to be more stories -if not in film, then in book format. The success of Episode IV gave way to a sequel and in the summer of 1979, when the film was re-released, it now carried A New Hope as its subtitle. The first film remained, until the Special Edition, a fairly self contained story. It clearly had a beginning, a middle and an ending. Lucas may have had an intention to make more (there was a ton of backstory in ANH), but he was not sure he could. So when The Empire Strikes Back began filming-and knowing by then there would be a third film- he began to let the story expand, having an ending that was not resolved; leaving folks surrounded with the mystery of Luke's family history and whether Han Solo would survive the clutches of Jabba. So, as I said, when ANH came out in '77 it carried only "Star Wars" as its title, and since its been re-released so many times, I'm sure no one has a video print of it anymore. Like Star Trek II (the number was added when the film was released on video) the title of A New Hope was added later -when it became obvious there was going to be more films. How that clears things up. Er...I think

  • April 20, 2002, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Hispanics in the Original Trilogy

    by Kevin Bosch

    While we're talking about Smits, Bail Organa, and the destruction of Alderan, let me share my theory of why there are no hispanics in episodes four through six. In Episode IV, we see Vader destroy Alderan, Leia's home planet. As we all know, Bail Organa is Leia's adoptive father, and, at one time, Senator of Alderan. In Episode II, Bail Organa is potrayed by Jimmy Smits, a Hispanic man. Because of this, you would assume that the natives of Alderan would be similar to Organa. That means that, when Alderan (correctly pronounced in it's native language as Alderan-O) was destroyed, the entire Hispanic population of the Galaxy was obliterated along with it. Thus the mystery of the absence of Hispanics in Star Wars is explained. (Now, if we could only explain the absence of Hispanics in the Back To The Future movies; aperantly, my people NEVER existed, in any year, even in California) Of course, you would have to assume that Mace Windu and Lando are from the same '

  • April 20, 2002, 12:36 a.m. CST

    It Just Said "Star Wars"

    by amg202aqx

    Sorry kids I was 11 years old when SW came out and I saw it 64 times during its original theatrical first run (which by the way lasted a little over a full calender year!!!) and it always just said Star Wars. It didn't say Episode IV until it was re-released the summer before Empire. Hey, I'd be happy to stand up and recite the entire film line by line for anyone who doubts my memory. I've done it before!!

  • April 20, 2002, 12:43 a.m. CST

    NerdBird the director is not the owner of the movie

    by Sir Mordred

    and niether is the writer. A movie can no more be made by one person than the government run by the President alone. Perfection in a movie comes about because each cast and crew member does their best and it reaches perfect cohesion- so imo no one should be able to revamp a movie without changing the name. Lucas did change the name, but sadly the originals, which by my standards are stand alone movies independent of the SE, are probably not going to be released anytime soon.

  • April 20, 2002, 12:58 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't mind one bit if a new version of the original tri

    by Suicidal_Sith

    There are some things about all this extra footage and added sfx stuff that I really like and some that I don't. Just think, if you have three versions of Star Wars it may be possible for a guy to take all these versions and edit thier own "Special Editions". I like some of the added sfx in ANH. Mostly the cleaned up Death Star battle footage, but I also like the Mos Eisley sceen (minus the one robot whacking the other robot). I don't like the Greedo shooting first sceen, so I'd take the original there. You get my idea? Personally I think that the emotinal reaction to massive tragedy in Star Wars is severely lacking. Leia's reaction to Alderann blowing up never really impressed me. She puts up a small struggle, says no a couple of times, but not much else. A real reaction would be much more hysterical. If I were standing there watching my world be destroyed along with my family and billions of other lives, I would be going fucking berzerk, and most likely be a mental basket case for days afterwards. Leia is wise cracking litterally minutes later. Or how about when Owen and Beru die. Imagine your parents being having thier flesh scortched off, and you saw thier bodies still smoldering. Then later that same day your sitting in a bar with Obi Wan and it's like nothing ever happened. Any normal reaction to that kind of trauma would be much more animated. You'd be a basket case for quite a while. Come on, emotional can never be associated with Star Wars. Anyway, I think the more versions the better, as long as the original and all the subsequent versions are made available. Episode One would be the best candidate for a new version. Just imagine how much better that film would be if they re-dubbed Jar Jar's voice with somebody who actually doesn't sound like nails on a chalkboard, took out the stupid pod race announcer, and put Darth Mauls cut sceens back in? They could edit it so it didn't seem like everything Anakin did was by accident( and take out some of the yippies and "lets turn left and spin" remarks). It still wouldn't be a great film, but it would be a hell of a lot better.

  • April 20, 2002, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Slow news day, Harry?

    by Voice O. Reason

    But seriously...I think we'd all rather be talking about Episode III rumors. BTW: Excellect source material for how Lucas really originally intended this saga to go down is the official Star Wars script book, which contains hundred of notes about the evolution of Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi. Completely destroys the myth that Lucas had this thing planned out before he ever started.

  • April 20, 2002, 1:28 a.m. CST

    No Hispanics in SW??? Then what the hell was Chewie!!!

    by nazismasher

    Yeah, he looked kinda' shaggy 'cause he was a child of the 60's and didn't believe in personal grooming like Diego Rivera. BTW, here's a link where John Williams talks about the Super Special Editions or Redux Editions or Golddigger Editions or whatever the hell they're calling them now

  • April 20, 2002, 1:46 a.m. CST

    You Creatons!!!

    by Darth Diggler

    Many years from now our grandchildren will sit down to watch the Star Wars saga,and they'll do so in order of episode 1-6, and we will see that it is good. They will watch episodes 1-3,and see that it is good, but once they arrive at A New Hope they'll look to you and ask "Was this made for t.v.?" Let's be honest people, ANH looks no better than Battlestar Galactica. Can anyone defend that terrible shot of the model of the rebel ship being shot by the Star Destroyer in the opeing moments of the film, where the smoke from the blast lingers above the ship, or several of the Death Star passes that are sooo obviously models. How about the lame Dianoga or the stupid 1970's style security cameras that Luke, Chewie,and Han shoot out at the detention cell control room.You mean the Death Star is monitored by grainy black and white cameras shooting at an amazing five frames per second. Just imagine what could be done with the Dianoga today. It could rival the Rancor or the upcoming Reek. Watch that movie and tell me the lighting doesn't look like a bad stage performance of WestSide story at times. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that there is, and is going to be even more so after the next two movies, a huge build up to the Death Star only to get inside and discover it's run by UNIVAC. The fact is that as great as ANH was in 77', it looks like it was made in 77' and none of the others show their age the way ANH does. I propose that Lucas completely rebuild that movie from the ground up. Make the Death Star computer systems look like it's not left over from the original Enterprise bridge. Remove those bad voiceovers which are spoken in a typical 70's acting style. Please make the destruction more impressive than a low budget West Virginian county fair firworks display. Give the Death Star some hint of a bridge worthy of the most destructive force in the galaxy. How about giving us a hint at what the rebel base accualy looks like,and for godsake the trench run should be at least as impressive as the destruction of the droid control ship. Seriously just imagine watching an entire army of Clonetroopers nightmarishly rape a whole galaxy into submission and then getting to ANH. It's not right. Yes, I'm all for preserving the original cut on DVD. ALLLL FOR IT, but ANH is what it is. An outdated, low budget scifi movie,and if we want anyone to give a crap about it in 50 years, Lucas had best give it a complete and drastic overhaul. Like I said I want the original cut to be there to enjoy but can we also make Star Wars bareable for anyone born after 1985? Besides, if he did as much work to ANH as is needed to bring it up to date it would almost be like getting a 7th movie.

  • April 20, 2002, 3:16 a.m. CST

    That's it! Stop him before it's too late!

    by 2GOLD

    Sometimes you have to stop people before they hurt themselves and LUCAS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED! I don't want to see the stupid planet, showing millions of people dying is pointless...more dramatic NOT SEEING THE STUPID THING! And personally I like the little models better than the CGI crap. CGI looks faker than the models, Ed Wood could have made better special effects with stolen chicken wire and a roll of duck tape! This has gone on LONG ENOUGH! At this rate we'll get STAR WARS "THE SPECIAL EDITION with never before scenes cause they didn't exist but since Lucas really has nothing but Star Wars and he needs money he's going to add bs scenes to trick the cyber geeks into buying it". I swear, Lucas could make Jabba dance like that stupid Ally Baby and the SW geeks would still kiss his rear. I mean, when the heck is enough! Uhh, don't you people EVER get angry at him! Can't you just say NO GEORGE, TURN OFF THE CGI MACHINE AND BACK AWAY! Good grief, he has invented JAR JAR...what horrors could he inflicted on the SW trilogy? Why doesn't he go all out and cast Freddie Prince in part three as Anakian and finally stake the series dead!

  • April 20, 2002, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Chewie rumor

    by winky

    My cousin knows a guy that works for Lucasfilm who says he saw a draft of Episode 4 and that at the end Princess Padme gives birth to Chewbacca! Can anyone else confirm this? It seems odd but sort of makes sense when you think about it. It would explain a lot of stuff in the original film. Oh well, let's all enjoy episode 2! Long live the greatest film maker of all time, the fantasticly tallented George Lucas!

  • April 20, 2002, 4:20 a.m. CST

    oops I meant the next one episode 3 not 4. my bad!

    by winky

  • April 20, 2002, 4:26 a.m. CST

    for all the money Lucas pumps into Special Edition editing...

    by The Killer-Goat

    why the hell not just remake the entire damn trilogy??? Hell, so many folks here are complaining about the acting and aged effects and defending Lucas' efforts to spice up the older films-- he might as well just redo the trilogy with an entirely new cast of 'unknowns' so it will all flow visually in chronological order of effects and technology, and be "bareable for anyone born after 1985"... It's his work, right? If he's going to do it right, might as well just scrap everything from the older films, throw away the originals, and just start from scratch. At this rate there'll be so much fresh oil thrown on the canvas we won't recognize the original anyways, so now's his chance while we're all so forgiving and shelling out the cash.

  • April 20, 2002, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Han & Greedo

    by sith this

    Why don't Han and Greedo just drop the guns and beat the shit out of each other. Who dosen't want to see a full blown brawl in the cantina, with all those different aliens.

  • April 20, 2002, 5:54 a.m. CST

    I hear he's editing NSYNC into the trash compactor scene too

    by Narcoleptic

    Hearing Lucas' plans these days is a little like watching a thoroughly demented Van Gogh burn his old paintings on a bonfire.

  • April 20, 2002, 8:27 a.m. CST

    It's simple.... I'm getting sick of Lucas

    by ZombiePresley

    How many fucking versions of a film can a person try to sell to fans before you wake up and realize he's not doing it 'for the fans' but instead for his own bank account... Anyone dumb enough to buy yet ANOTHER version of Star Wars should be shot at the checkout register. Also, just saw AOTC trailer on the big screen for the first time... Interesting but I didn't juice myself... Wondering if it's all worth it anymore... May 16th??? Umm I think I'm busy washing my dog that day.....

  • April 20, 2002, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Star Wars Radio Plays

    by stuart_bannerman

    If you are lucky enough to have the Star Wars Trilogy radio plays. Youll know that there are a great deal of scenes on Alderan involving Organa. They worked in the radio play and were just set in a dining room, so its possible and easy enough to re-edit these movies into the original versions. But i too am getting a little fed up of these re-issues. Its just a licence to print money. Lucas should do what Woody Allen does. When a films done, its done..NEXT!!!!!!!

  • April 20, 2002, 11:33 a.m. CST

    If it ain't broke....

    by CosDashit

    ...don't fix it. There was never anything wrong with the original versions of the OT. There was no need for a special edition, and there is no need now for a super special edition. Bash ANH all you want, but the simple fact is this: It will be possible to watch the prequels first then follow them up with the original versions of ANH, ESB and ROTJ. They [i]will[/i] flow together as one continuous saga. And don't give me any shit about "we need Ian McDiarmid in ANH and ESB." No we don't. How many times must Lucas butcher these films before you realize that it just keeps getting worse every time he does it. Respectable filmmakers do not film new scenes for movies that are 20+ years old. Now does LFL want to be remembered as a respectable studio, or a whorehouse studio, pimping out a new, more heavily made-up & face-lifted version of their best hookers every few years, because they think beauty fades with ageand must be disguised with CGI?

  • April 20, 2002, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Wash Your Dog???

    by Darth Diggler

    What is wrong with you people. You don't want special editions, I CAN understand that despite the fact I want ANH to be revamped, but most of you sound like you don't even want a new Star Wars movie at all. it appears that the same people who freak out over the Special Editions are the same people who bash TPM and ATOC. Despite the fact that none of you have seen ATOC and the only person who has says it is the second coming. If you want to sit in your dank basments watching your pre-THX beta versions of the original trilogy, be my guest, but the rest of us would like to continue to enjoy the continuing saga however George decides it should be. Becasue that's what it is. It's George's vision. You can't hijack it. Geedo shoots first, geedo shoots first boo hoo hoo. The way you people whine about it you'd think they had replaced Han with a cgi version of Dame Edna. I hope they have Alderan shoot first. You'll go on about how anyone who decents with your opinion will just take whatever George wants to cram down their throats,and how he's ripping all of us off. Simple solution, don't buy it.Is anyone who hates Yanni forced to buy a Yanni CD? Then why is there a seperate standard for Star Wars. If you're not happy find another science fiction outlet to fill that giant void in your life. George is brilliant, and he appears to know a little more about movie making than any of you. That is unless you are indeed Steven Spielberg. Take a second and check.... You're not Spielberg? Then shut up. Becasue a silent majority of us agree with George's opinion that the original trilogy is more than a little bare at points doesn't mean that we just take whatever George wants to stuff up our a**es. We buy it becasue we like the world that George continues to produce.

  • April 20, 2002, 12:02 p.m. CST

    It's finished

    by CosDashit

    When you make a movie and release it, it's over. It's finished. Lucas, Coppola and Spielberg don't seen to understand this. Films are not something that you remake every few years, they are a shared experience of millions of people. You can't ask the audience every few years to forget what they saw and roll over for a new version. Once you've put the film out, it's no longer yours to tinker with. The original versions were Lucas's vision, all the rest is exploitation and pocketbook raiding. For the record, I liked TPM and will see AOTC, so don't treat me like I don't want new movies. I just don't want Lucas to keep butchering the old ones. And that is in fact what he is doing. Not to bring the films up to his vision, just to make more money. He should be satisfied with what he gets for the prequels rather than trying to milk us for every penny on the old films.

  • April 20, 2002, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by Darth Diggler

    As I said, don't see it. If you have one ounce of free will in your body don't let yourself be milked. If you truly don't want to see what George does to the original trilogy then do not buy it. If you get milked by George, then you let yourself be milked. Let's end this rediculus notion that once a film is released that's it. It belongs to the people it can't be touched. George is an artist. Star Wars is his work of art. We are simply onlookers enjoying the show.It's the same as in my profession. I painted many things when I was younger that were great ideas, but I wasn't technically able to accomplish the picture I had in my head. I revisit those ideas ocassionaly and do it right. I fortunately work in a medium where I can simply get another canvas and start again, but in order for George to fix his painting he has to paint over it. There is no way around it. There is nothig more agrivating to an artist than to have to live with a work and know where every flaw is. You can't look at it, you certainly couldn't live with it hanging on your wall,and that's what George has to do is live with Star Wars hanging on his wall 365 days a year. You do not.

  • April 20, 2002, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "Author policy"

    by CosDashit

    You people have been indoctrinated by the French "politiques des auteurs," which equates the director of a film with the author of a novel. Problem is, novel-writing is a solitary creation, while film is collaborate, so there is no singular author or a film. Many more people worked on Star Wars than Lucas. It is not just his film, it is the result of the work of everyone involved. "Autuer" is a myth, a convenient shorthand with as much basis in fact as calling a husband and wife "one flesh." If any of you posters are married, look at your husband/wife and ask yourself if this is a literal truth.

  • April 20, 2002, 1:57 p.m. CST

    ...except with Yanni and music, they have all versions available

    by The Killer-Goat

    If we actually HAD the original trilogy on DVD when the technology was available years ago, Special Editions wouldn't be an issue now, except that it may be ALL we get. I don't mind a visual touch-up so much as script alterations. Sure, give Han make-up and a wig (ala Dame Edna), but what's a viable "artistic" reason for changing the Greedo shooting scene...? No, no, really?

  • April 20, 2002, 1:58 p.m. CST

    damn talkback disorder!!! (Or is it just me?)

    by The Killer-Goat

  • April 20, 2002, 2:06 p.m. CST

    to Darth MarkyMark...and others

    by Wampa1

    I have to put my 2 pennies in here because when I heard this news I couldn't flippin believe it. DARTH DIGGLER: When I have kids, they're going to watch the classic trilogy first. It's how the stories were originally told. and to me, that's how the whole saga should be viewed. Not as one 12 hour movie. (Jeez.) EXAMPLE: When I read the Chronicles of Narnia, I read them not in chronilogical order, but in the order htat they were written. There was a great saatisfaction in hearing of some adventure that had happened centuries before, but not knowing quite what had happpened and then later hearing the full account. If one watches the saga numerically, then where is the suspense, the danger, the devestation in that terrible revelation on the Bespin Gantry? "Oh, the kid finally found out Vader's his dad? Good, it's about time. Oh, now he's falling and crying like a little girl...Hm. I'm gonna go get some more popcorn. Let me know when he figures out Leia's his sister." That's another thing...the romantic possibilities in ANH and ESB are totally gone if you watch the saga as one big 12 hour flick. The classic trilogy is castrated of all suspense and dramatic interest if you see the Jar Jar Trilogy first. SECONDLY: ANH hope is going to look like it was made in 1977 no matter how much CGI Lucas uses to "fix" it. It was MADE in 1977. Unless you want Lucas to remake the classic trilogy with new sets that are greenscreened instead of built and a hip, whole new cast that doesn't have Dukes of Hazzard haircuts (Hey maybe the Backstreet boys could be Rebel Pilots!) then you're just gonna have to LIVE WITH THE FACT that Star Wars was made 25 years ago. Frankly, I'd prefer for him to get out a new canvas (as you do) and reenvision the old movies, rather than painting over the little cracks in the masterpieces with all of the subtlty of a four year old with fingerpaint. SIRMORDRED AND COSDASHIT are completely right. The movies aren't HIS property anymore, except as a cash cow. He gave them to us, the public years ago, and now he wants to take them back and screw with the things we liked the most. (and HAN SHOOTING FIRST is a whole 'nother post in itself.) You said something to the effect that if we want anyone to care about Star Wars 25 years from now, then we should be HAPPY that George is doing what he can to make the CT not look like crap next to the new movies... To that I reply: Do people still give a crap about some little movies like GONE WITH THE WIND, or maybe DR. ZHIVAGO. Ever hear of CASA BLANCA? Last time I checked, THOSE movies weren't "updated" or retouched every 20 years, and yet they still endure. In fact, if Lucas wants anyone to CARE about Star Warss in another 25 years, he'd damn well better leave well enough alone. If he wants to make the Saga better, he'd do far more by remaking Episode One into a halfway decent movie. I've recently come to the sad realization that he's ALREADY f'ed the saga up by tripping on the starting blocks of the sprint, so to speak. And now this Super special edition. Jebus. WHEN IS GEORGE GOING TO REALIZE THAT LESS IS MORE???? LEAVE IT BE!!!! ---Wampa1. ***PS: The Rancor was some of the worst effects work in the old trilogy. Glaring Bluescreen matte work.

  • April 20, 2002, 2:13 p.m. CST

    by CosDashit

    "Let's end this rediculus notion that once a film is released that's it." It's not just a notion. In all other mediums that is the way things are done, and until Spielberg and Lucas came along, that's how films were made too. What needs to end is the notion that this revisionism represents the director restoring his original vision. It does not, it represents a director who can't leave well enough alone when he sees an opportunity for a few extra bucks, and who doesn't recognize perfection when he sees it. These films are not just Lucas's, hundreds if not thousands of people worked on them, and Lucas has no business unilaterally throwing their work away. This is a hugely collaborative medium, not just one where directors express themselves and everyone else is just the director's bitch. It is not the same as painting, writing or sculpting, which are all solitary art forms. There's a bigger picture than just what the director wants. I'd rather have a great film that isn't the director's vision than a half-ass film that is.

  • April 20, 2002, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Show ME Smits in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope.

    by mike FRENZY

    I think Lucas should do one last release of the original Star Wars trilogy with newly added scenes and enhanced visual effects (ANH Jabba). Since George isn't finished with his story he should be allowed to go back and alter what he feels is necessary for concise story telling. I think its wonderful that Smits will have a scene in A New Hope because he is an important character in the prequel trilogy and then he dies a horrible death. I dont care what Knowles said when the Death Star blows up Alderaan there's no real sense of loss because I cant see it. Just like when Thomas had to feel to feel the holes in Jesus's hands before he believed him. I'm the same way. Show me the action and I'll believe ya.

  • April 20, 2002, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Episode IV nonsense

    by NerdBird

    I saw Star War the weekend it came out. I remember it very well. There was nothing about it being an Episode IV, nothing about a series, nothing about a grand Wagnarian-Freudian drama. It was just plain fun -- got it? Everybody boo-ed when Vadar came on and everybody cheered when the Death Star blew up. That was it. Looking back, how I wish that film had flopped. And Marsha, wherever you are, you were right. Good for you. Here's a bit of trivia for SW Geeks to prove what I mean: I went to a Con in Chicago (1979) which had a presentation from one of Lucas's self-important PR men. He referred to the upcoming Empire Strikes Back as the second episode, Period. He did say, however, when episode IV came out (that is, what we would now call episode VII), the Mellienium Falcon would "really fly." What a shameless load of Hooey. Already Lucas was jerking the fans around. Don't trust him. This man would do anything for a buck.

  • April 20, 2002, 6:26 p.m. CST

    "concise" storytelling

    by Wampa1

    FRENZY: I think what a lot of us are upset about (amongst other things) is that whenever Lucas goes back in to something that "ain't broke" and adds something new, he's no longer BEING a concise storyteller. "CONCISE" means "saying much in few words; brief but full of meaning" (thank you, Webster). SO TELL US how is adding in a bunch of stuff like 1)reaction shots of civilians on Bespin or 2)Vader walking up to his shuttle/flying up to the Executor/debarking the shuttle or 3)Alderaanians screaming in terror ... how is any of that being CONCISE? Alderaan was destroyed. Spiffy new visual of planet annihilation. Great disturbance in the Force. Done and DONE. Just because we've got Mr. NYPDBlue in the cast now, why do we need to see people running around crying that the sky is falling? There's nothing CONCISE about any of this special edition garbage.

  • April 20, 2002, 6:35 p.m. CST

    re: dan average

    by CosDashit

    I'd rather that after the first time a movie comes out that it be left alone. We got George's vision the first time each film came out. As time goes by, he conveniently gets a new vision and dismisses what came before as not being what he really wanted. Lucas just can't make up his mind.

  • April 20, 2002, 6:42 p.m. CST


    by CosDashit

    Let me give you some examples of the "director's vision" (as if that were really what film is all about, but that's another argument). Lucas originally wanted ROTJ's climactic duel to take place on Coruscant in Palpatine's throne room, which was originally an underground lava-filled cave. It was moved to DS2 because Lucas didn't have the technology to create Coruscant. However, that ended up working better, because why would the main characters be going to Coruscant? The rebels wouldn't--too dangerous. And the style of that trilogy (Bespin excepted) avoided sophisticated settings, both because of the technology available, and because it was based on old westerns. If Lucas wanted to return to his original vision, he would have moved that duel in the SE back to Coruscant, despite whatever damage was done to the rest of the story, which would have been considerable, since so much of the plot hinges around Palpatine coming to visit the Death Star. Another example: Spielberg wanted originally to show much more of the shark in Jaws, but couldn't because the mechanical shark rarely worked. To restore his original vision, Spielberg today would have to add a CG shark. However, without the mechanical shark, he had to find another way to make those scenes as suspenseful as possible--much more suspenseful than actually showing the shark. In both of these cases, technological limitations forced the filmmakers to compromise or change their original vision, but ended up making a better film because of it. These problems they had to solve were, in retrospect, blessings in disguise.

  • April 20, 2002, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Just call it Star Wars like everyone else

    by El Backo

    No one but Lucas and this site calls the first film A New Hope. Does it even say A New Hope in the original titles? Its STAR WARS. That's how it's referred to everywhere in print, from film review books to film analysis books.

  • April 20, 2002, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Darth Vader==Dark Father

    by Null-A

    To the stupid fanboy with the intelect of a mtv viewer. Lucas planned all along to do more movie about the SW universe. There are a lot of little clues in the original movie about that. Like the cave conversation about the "Clone Wars" why put that??.In a movie 99% of times there are no "inconsecuential" conversations, generally when a hero is given a tool later in a movie he will use that, the same with movie conversations. [english is not my language] From: The SW Names FAQ, Version 2.0 Copyright (C) Julie Lim, May 1994 (yep I was on the net at that time lame fanboys) Darth Vader: Intended to evoke "dark father" [_Rolling Stone_ interview w/ Lucas?]. _Vader_ is in fact the Dutch word for "father," but is not pronounced the same way as the name. "Vader" carries various other echoes (invader, evader, etc.), mostly from the Latin _vadere_, "to go or advance." The phrase _vade mecum_ ("come with me"), also from this root, was formerly applied in English to a manual or guide. Another Latin word, _vadum_, means "shallow place or ford" but also "depths or the sea" [cf. "Byss"].

  • April 20, 2002, 7:11 p.m. CST

    It is YOU who are the smoker of crack! ha-HA!

    by Wampa1

    Careful, El Backo, you'll get DOGGIDADDY revved up again and telling us all that we're smoking crack. I only use "ANH" to clarify things - I mean, If I say "the first movie," am I talking about Star Wars or Phantom Menace? CARSON: congrats on being a part of a historical night back in '77... and hopefully shutting the uncle-phuckers up about the Old main titles on Star Wars that said nothing about Hopes or News or A's. ***Snoogins.

  • April 20, 2002, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Apocalypse Now

    by Billy Talent

    Remember when 'Empire' and 'Apocalypse Now' were shooting simultaneously? Lucas commented on Coppola's excesses, saying that he (Lucas) would have made 'Apocalypse' on 16mm for $2 million. How things change. And if I'm not mistaken, both the novelization and Marvel adaptation of 'Star Wars' featured scenes between Han Solo and a human Jabba the Hut. There was also some additional business in 'Empire' right before Luke leaves Hoth for Degobah. And in 'The Art of The Empire Strikes Back' and Alan Arnold's 'Once Upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of ESB', there are numerous references to the then untitled work in progress as 'Star Wars Part II'. I've also always suspected that Lucas never originally intended for either Darth Vader or Han Solo to be principal characters in the ongoing saga, and was surprised when they became the most popular characters in the first movie. At one time, people thought Mark Hamill would be the bigger star then Harrison ford.

  • April 20, 2002, 10:49 p.m. CST

    What if...

    by PMCarhart

    What if J.R.R. Tolkien went back and changed parts of The Hobbit so it better reflected the epic he was working on called Lord of the Rings? Oh wait! He did that!

  • April 20, 2002, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by CosDashit

    What if Tolkien had been a filmmaker instead of a writer and had made Hobbit as a movie instead of a book. Then he made LOTR with a new cast and realized it didn't fit with the Hobbit, and couldn't get his original Gollum and Bilbo to reshoot their riddle scene? He'd be in quite a pickle then, wouldn't he?

  • April 21, 2002, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Don't redo A New Hope, Tell Lucas to redo Return of the Jedi

    by MrAdam2002

    Dear Harry, I've always wanted to write you and I feel that if Lucas wants to mess with them again, then he should seriously think about fixing that ending to the whole trilogy. He could change the time saving Han Solo from 6 months to 20 years. Or Leave that part in and have the rest of the movie take place 20 years later. He could do this while he still has most of the original cast around, (yeah, get Mark Hamill to lose the gut) and include a better ending with Luke saving his dad and getting the Emperor. and finally, LOSE THOSE DAMN EWOKS !!!!!

  • April 21, 2002, 12:49 a.m. CST


    by CosDashit

    You don't just grab an actor years after having made and released a movie and say "guess what, we're back in production." You can re-write a scene in a novel much easier than you can shoot new scenes for an old movie. You wouldn't call Al Pacino and Marlon Brando back today because Coppola decided he needed to add something to The Godfather. And you sure as hell wouldn't add DeNiro to the original movie. No changes need to be made to the OT to keep continuity with the prequels. At this point, Lucas needs to make sure not that the OT doesn't conflict with the prequels (which they don't), but that the prequels don't contradict the originals. They are the standard by which continuity is judged.

  • April 21, 2002, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Cosdashit Once again

    by Darth Diggler

    Wrong again. How does it feel to be sooo wrong all the time. Hundreds of people worked on Star Wars under the direct orders of George Lucas. This isn't a rock band and everyone has an equal part in the creative process. Let me ask you something. Who painted the Sistine Chaple? Michealangelo. NO wait wait, in your Nutopia fantasy land dozens of people painted it and it is under collective ownership of Michelangelo his understudies, Pope Julius II della Rovere, and 95% of the population of Italy between 1512 and the present day. Yes just as George, Michaelangelo painted many parts himself, but a large part was painted by his understudies under his direction. So I suppose it truely isn't fairly attributed to Michaelangelo. However, we all accept that indeed it is the work of the master himself. So let's draw a parallel here. Sistine chapel is completed and turns the art world on it's head. In this case the chapel is the movie industry and it's radicly changed forever by Star Wars. Well, many years later lets say Michaelangelo, in this case Lucas, comes to the church (FOX & Lucasfilm) , "You see that guy's arm up there? It could be better. It was painted by some of my students, and I would like to redo it myself and make it better." The church agrees, in this case the church is the studio and sence George owns Lucasfilm and Star Wars he doesn't even need approval. Arm is repainted, Gredo shoots first. Where is the differance? No one worked on Star Wars independant of George's final word. No one can stake a claim to Star Wars but George. You aren't the offspring of several doctors and nurses becasue they helped deliver you.

  • April 21, 2002, 2:39 a.m. CST

    SFX do not hold up well over time.

    by sith this

    Take a look at the original star trek series. I for one can't stand to watch it anymore, with it's model's on wires, and cardboard sets. Especially with other, more updated Star Trek series out there. The Death Star battle scene was much improved with the special edition. I liked seeing the fluid movements of the CGI fighter's. And Lucas still kept some of the original footage in there. I can understand the Greedo shoot's first argument, I myself didn't really think that was needed along many other things, but like Darth Diggler say's, it's Lucas's movie, not ours. The DVD argument had merit, it was the logical choice for Lucasfilms to make, and they made it. Do you seriously think that George is going to let a bunch of armchair director's like us tell him how to make his movie. He knows damn well that for every hater out there, there are more who love his work on SW. I go to movies to escape and be entertained. If I don't like it I don't see it again, and I don't by the DVD, or video. I don't bitch and moan to the studio and tell them how to make movies. Many SFX on the orginal needed the update. As far as TPM being the worst Star Wars movie, so what? Every movie series out there has that one movie that get's rushed, and overlooked. Not everyone of the Rocky movies was a winner. Rocky 4 was nothing moe than a lame attempt at a patriotic fan base. However it did have it's moments, just like TPM did, and those I will remember. Personally, I'd rather look past Jar Jar, instead of spending hours planning his demise, and TPM, and consentrate on ATOC. My guess is that if it turns out as good as everyone thinks it will, the bitchin'& moanin' will stop.

  • April 21, 2002, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Null-A: Don't Believe the Hype by a "Lame Fanboy"

    by Voice O. Reason

    Wow, you were on the internet back in 1994? Damn, you must be an expert then! Because, unlike today, everything on the internet in 1994 was true! Why put the Clone Wars in? To give the Royal Family of Alderaan a reason to contact Kenobi! Now, I'll admit, Star Wars is an open ended film, which Lucas wanted to create a whole saga around. The big lie, though, is that Lucas had the details about this unfolding sga planned ahead of time. Lucas has tried to say this time and again at interviews that he had the whole mulit-part saga Luke/Vader angle worked out, but the original scripts for Empire Strikes Back totally contradict this. Lucas talking about STAR WARS reminds me alot of Gene Roddenberry talking about "City on the Edge of Forever." The lie sounds better, so it becomes the truth. Lucas was going around for YEARS saying there'd be 9 parts, now he denies even THAT. He decided, while writing THE PHANTOM MENACE, that STAR WARS was a story about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. That must be why Vader's part in STAR WARS is basically as Moff Tarkin's flunky (although the COOLEST flunky ever). The original scripts for Star Wars didn't even have a Luke (Skywalker or Starkiller) character in them! They were just about the droids, and the movie was to be a sci-fi remake of THE HIDDEN FORTRESS. MY source is 1997's STAR WARS: THE ANNOTED SCREENPLAYS by Laurent Bouzereau (required reading for all true STAR WARS fans), not some stupid FAQ. "Vader" meaning "father" in a foriegn language is just a convenient coincidence. It is more likely that "Vader" was derived from the word "invader." (Not unlike "Sidious" is short for "incidious", or "Tyranus" is short for "tyranny".) **Side note for LOTR fans...Kenobi was supposed to return from the dead in the original scripts for RETURN OF THE JEDI. No lie.**

  • April 21, 2002, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Just another thought.....

    by sith this

    As long as we are tying the noose around George's neck, let's put that bastered Stephen King right beside him. I mean, how dare he go back and add all that other stuff to The Stand with out consulting his fans first. How dare he say he just wasn't happy with the original and wanted to add to it. I guess he just thought that any one who didn't like it, just wouldn't by it. But I don't hear much from his fans about having there "childhood raped."

  • April 21, 2002, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Just another thought.....

    by sith this

    As long as we are tying the noose around George's neck, let's put that bastered Stephen King right beside him. I mean, how dare he go back and add all that other stuff to The Stand with out consulting his fans first. How dare he say he just wasn't happy with the original and wanted to add to it. I guess he just thought that any one who didn't like it, just wouldn't by it. But I don't hear much from his fans about having there "childhood raped."

  • April 21, 2002, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Ewoks and Death Stars

    by DouglasAH

    Yeah, so he re-used the Death Star. So what? Look at it this way, if you're going to catch a fish, what do you lower down? When you're setting a trap for a Rebel fleet that won't come out and fight you like men, you bait the hook with something they want to destroy, and tell their stupid Bothan spies it isn't up and running yet. Anyway, about the Ewoks, just be glad they don't speak mangled English. And was I the only one paying attention when they nearly ATE our heroes? They're that much cooler than the Gungans. We see Ewoks fight Imperials with sticks and stones, not stupid energy balls and fairy force fields. We see dead Ewoks, we don't see any Gungans actually get hurt. Face it, you only hate Ewoks because you watched that stupid cartoon and want the hours back now that you're all growed up. Get over it.

  • April 21, 2002, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Elitist fuck

    by DarthOnion

    "I like film" blah blah... the craft of moviemaking has and is changing. Digital film will be the standard in a decade and Lucas is bringing that about, like it or not. AND THESE ARE HIS FILMS TO DO WITH AS HE PLEASES. So what if he wants to add a subtitle and insert (pretty much useless) scenes and to clean up the rough edges in his movies? Lucas is obsessed when it comes to stuff like that. I'd argue that it makes for a better experience when you're not noticing the matte lines and the obvious stop-motion animation. On the other hand, it is kind of saddening to me that model makers, et al, are replaced by guys with nothing more than a computer and a mouse. Then again, that's progress.

  • April 21, 2002, 9:34 a.m. CST

    From the IMDB, regarding the "many movies" debate

    by stuart_bannerman

    Although it is often claimed by George Lucas that Star Wars was always intended as part of a series (originally nine parts, later six), producer Gary Kurtz claimed differently in a interview in 1999. According to Kurtz, Star Wars was meant to be a standalone film. It was only after the film's incredible success that he and Lucas got together to consider sequels. They came up with the idea that Star Wars was the fourth story of a nine-part series and penned rough outlines for each episode. After releasing the "fifth" episode (The Empire Strikes Back (1980)), Lucas made Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) with Steven Spielberg. The success of this film convinced Lucas to increase the emphasis on action in the "sixth" Star Wars episode. According to Kurtz, the Emperor was not originally going to make an appearance until episode 9. Luke and Leia were not brother and sister. There was no Death Star II. The search for Han Solo was the main plot of the film, during which Luke would have furthered his Jedi training. Solo was going to die in the final battle. Luke was going to go off to complete/continue his Jedi training and Leia was going to resume her position as Queen of her people, separating the major characters in a "downer" ending similar to that of Episode 5. Kurtz strongly objected to Lucas' changes and insisted they should stay with the story they had originally planned. Lucas just as strongly disagreed and the two parted company. (Kurtz left to make Dark Crystal, The (1982) with Jim Henson and hasn't worked with Lucas since.)

  • April 21, 2002, 11:05 a.m. CST

    by CosDashit

    Actually it feels quite good to be one of the few who realizes that a collaborative art like film is completely different from solitary arts like painting, writing and sculpting. A comparison to Tolkien is inappropriate because Tolkien did everything himself, whereas Lucas needs hundreds of people behind the scenes. Veto power is not the same as creation, and veto power is all Lucas has over many decisions. He dreamed up the world, but the FX shots and the design style is the work of his art and post-production crew, and the decisions made in filmmaking cannot easily be reversed ad infinitum. What's disappointing is how pervasive the French fantasy of "the author of a film," which preaces that the director is the center of the process, has become. But let's face it, no directors are going to admit the preposterousness of the auteur theory (especially not Lucas), because they like having their asses kissed.

  • April 21, 2002, 11:28 a.m. CST

    super dooper special edition

    by mossparkman

    ok, the original WAS our childhood, and should also be made available, but, come on, it would be great to see more footage, and better fx put into the OT. george lucas is a wierd looking fucker though.

  • April 21, 2002, 11:36 a.m. CST

    a new hope

    by Joeyzaza

    From 'Art of Star Wars', first edition, published 1979. Star Wars, Episode IV - A New Hope, from the Journal of the Whills by George Lucas. Revised Fourth Draft, January 15, 1976.

  • April 21, 2002, 11:47 a.m. CST

    To Quote Nigel Tufnel, "It's a f*ing joke, really!"

    by Richard Feder

    I can't believe the amount of talkback this has recieved, like its the end of the world. First of all, that quote from Jimmy Smits, even if George Lucas really said that, it's obvious HE WAS ONLY KIDDING!!!! Secondly, Lucas didn't come out and say, "yeah, I'm going to re-release it yet again." He conceded it's a possiblility. POSSIBILITY. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. Besides, if Lucas wanted to rerelease the trilogy with Jimmy Smits, even more Ewoks or C-3PO with a golden cock protruding from his netheregions...THAT'S HIS TO DO. The name of the company says LUCASFILM. He doesn't owe us jackshit. The guy gave us some happy memories. Big fucking deal. We willing gave him our money because we enjoyed his stories. Does that mean that the guy is beholden to us for the rest of his life? It's the same thing with Spielberg and the E.T. special edition. If he wants to replace guns with cell phones or french ticklers, that's his business. If the original Star Wars gets rereleased with Jimmy Smits saying "ARRRGGGG!!!! THE DEATH STAR!!!" and that really bothers you....DON'T GO SEE IT. Secondly, I could really care less why you, Harry, collect 16MM films or whatever. Just because you enjoy scratchy film tracks doesn't mean the rest of ours do. You should stick to reporting the news and save the editorializing for a seperate post--or even the talkbacks. I'm getting a little tired of you throwing temper tantrums whenever someone chooses not to make a movie your way. (i.e. Scooby Doo) Mr. Richard Feder Ft. Lee, NJ

  • April 21, 2002, 12:09 p.m. CST

    He planned all along

    by Null-A

    The cave conversation between luke and Obi-1 (will be more??) is more important that it seems, there we now that a powerfull jedi named Darth Vader "kill" his father and blah blah blah well this sets the ultimate confrontation between the hero of the movie and the bad guy and is a foresaw of the mistery of lukes father, and it the movie that duel does NOT happen, thus it was deserved for the sequels. I am first of the line to critique Lucas for butchering (greedo shoot first) and making and greedy toy-crap scheme with his movies, but this guy planned all along the Luke I

  • April 21, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Why I'm not going on opening weekend:

    by cookiepuss

    ....Jar Jar Binks, around whom the disappointment in Phantom Menace crystallized. Lucas blames the anti-Jar Jar sentiment on "37-year-old guys who spend all their time on the Internet. But you have to remember that when we did The Empire Strikes Back, some people hated C-3PO. When we did Jedi, they just loathed the Ewoks. There was no Internet to jazz it up, but there was the same conversation. Fans are very opinionated, and that's good. But I can't make a movie for fans." Nonetheless, Jar Jar has a far less prominent role this time. In movie theaters you will hear a cheer from Binks-ophobes when, as he launches into an anecdote, Padme cursorily cuts him off.

  • April 21, 2002, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The SW Names FAQ

    by Null-A

    Well since you never know how the formating is going to be in this crappy board (it was always the same since the day Harry had the brillant idea of adding forums to have more hits, dont laugh it took a loong time for Harry to figure out) I have a bad felling is goinf to be ugly, sorry for that.Harry all sites are using ezboard software for their boards and they are clean, easy manageable etc.. This is dirty stuff . Regards --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The SW Names FAQ, Version 2.0 Copyright (C) Julie Lim, May 1994 This document attempts to catalogue the derivations and symbolism of various names in the SW universe. It does not cover all licensed material, nor does it necessarily indicate the intentions of Lucas et al. in choosing these names. Two main templates for SW are the symbolic conflict between light and darkness, and the historical transit of Rome from kingdom to republic to empire. More subjective allegories have also been read into the tril, casting Luke as an Arthurian or Christlike figure. Kenobi is another favorite for the latter role, with which solar imagery has been traditionally associated (see above). In lieu of continually repeating these themes throughout, I have chosen to simply state them here, and trust that readers will draw the necessary connections. Some entries may contain spoilers, especially for recently licensed material. A partial bibliography of non-SW references is appended at the end. Lastly, my thanks to various rassers who provided or suggested additional entries, or pointed out blunders in old ones. I&#39;ve tried to pinpoint specific suggestions, but was foiled in some cases by lost files. Permission has been granted to Skip Shayotovich for Fidonet distribution (reposts and freq archival), and to Scott Streeter for Usenet distribution (reposts and ftp/www archival). Two paper copies are stored for lending access at the Corellian Archives (Ming Wathne, librarian; 427 Via Roma Dr., Santa Barbara CA 93110). All other rights are reserved. Ackbar: A(c)kbar (the Great) was a 16th-century emperor of the Mogul dynasty in India. The Arabic phrase "Allah akbar" means "God is great." Alderaan: Marion Zimmer Bradley&#39;s Darkover books contain the noble house of Aldaran [sic]. Aldaran rebelled against the other aristocrats and their domain was ravaged by arcane technology (e.g., _The Heritage of Hastur_, New York: DAW, 1975). Anakin: "Anakim" [sic] is one of several names in the Old Testament for a race of giants, "the sons of the gods [who] lay with the daughters of men" [Genesis 6:4]. ("Anakim" is actually plural.) This may refer to Anakin&#39;s great height, if Vader&#39;s size was not installed with the armor. Pre-ROTJ speculations included the derivation an-akin, or "not related," as part of a theory that Vader (regardless of whether he *had* once been Anakin) was not Luke&#39;s father and Kenobi was. This may still play a factor in the pretril if Uncle George keeps playing mind games with us. Antilles: A group of islands in the Caribbean Sea, divided into Lesser and Greater chains. Artoo-Detoo: An expanded transliteration of "R2-D2," which originated as an on-set abbreviation for "reel 2, dialogue 2" during the filming of _American Graffitti_. Aves [Zahn&#39;s trilogy]: Plural of the Latin _avis_, "bird." Alternately, an abbreviated pluralization of the Catholic prayer "Ave Maria," now more commonly known as "Hail Mary." [Cf. "Gaeriel Captison," "Mara Jade"] Bail (Leia&#39;s foster father): As spelled, a bucket, the crossbar of a cricket wicket, a stable divider, or the outer wall of a castle (the last from "bailey"). Homophones include "Baal," a Canaanite god in the Old Testament. As a common noun, "baal" is a Semitic root for "lord" or "master," e.g. "Baalzebub," "Lord of the Flies." [Cf. "Garm Bel Iblis"] Ben: Possibly an abnormal contraction of "Obi-Wan," as "Owen" may be; the nomenclature of some cultures (Hungary, much of Asia) places the surname first, which would make "Kenobi" and "Lars" the personal names of the two brothers. In English, usually a short form of "Benjamin." This name means "son of the south" or "son of my right hand" (and thus would have been a good name for Luke&#39;s clone); the two meanings are easily reconciled when one faces east, the direction of sunrise. By itself, "ben" is a patronymic prefix. "Ben Kenobi" may mean "the son of Kenobi." Beru: Queen Beruthiel of Gondor is mentioned in LOTR; Lucas asked Guinness to play Kenobi like Gandalf, but links among minor characters are tenuous at best. "Beruthiel" has been tentatively etymologized as "daughter of the queen." [Cf. "Owen"] Biggs Darklighter: Luke&#39;s role model on Tatooine [ANH novelization and radio play]. His first name reflects his function as "big brother." His last name evokes the quotation "better to light a candle than curse the darkness," possibly linked to Luke&#39;s words to him, "We&#39;re two shooting stars that&#39;ll never be stopped." Bollux/Zollux [Daley "Han Solo" trilogy]: The character named "Bollux" in American editions was renamed "Zollux" in British ones. "Bollux" is presumably homonymous with "bollocks," Brit slang for testicles. B-wing: Stands for "blade-wing"; with extended foils, the fighter resembles a dagger. Byss [_Dark Empire_]: An abyss is a deep, lightless chasm, from the Greek _abyssos_, "bottomless" (_a-_, "without"; _byssos_, "bottom of the sea"). Alternately, byssus or byssos was a gauzelike cloth of the ancient world, suitable for veils or shrouds. Chewbacca: While the character was largely based on Marcia Lucas&#39; pet malamute Indiana, the name simply popped into George&#39;s head one day [_Skywalking_]. The original derivation may have been from "chewing tobacco"; some European rassers report that the name was translated along those lines when the films were dubbed. Chimaera [Zahn]: From the Greek _chimaira_, "she-goat." Also spelled "chimera." A mythological creature with the head of a lion, the body of a goat, and the tail of a snake; it was defeated by Bellerophon, the tamer of Pegasus. By extension, any fanciful or nightmarish creature, or in biotech, an organism fused from two or more distinct sources (different species, genders, etc., e.g., a tobacco plant made phosphorescent by the insertion of the firefly luciferin gene). Coruscant: Flashing, shining, scintillating. From the Latin _coruscare_, "to quiver or flash." Darth Vader: Intended to evoke "dark father" [_Rolling Stone_ interview w/ Lucas?]. _Vader_ is in fact the Dutch word for "father," but is not pronounced the same way as the name. "Vader" carries various other echoes (invader, evader, etc.), mostly from the Latin _vadere_, "to go or advance." The phrase _vade mecum_ ("come with me"), also from this root, was formerly applied in English to a manual or guide. Another Latin word, _vadum_, means "shallow place or ford" but also "depths or the sea" [cf. "Byss"]. Endor: King Saul consulted the witch of Endor while warring against David [first book of Samuel]; she conjured Samuel&#39;s ghost for counsel. "Endor" is also the Quenya name for Middle-Earth, e.g., _Et Earello Endorenna utulien_, "Out of the Great Sea to Middle-Earth am I come" [Aragorn&#39;s coronation]. The ROTJ moon is sometimes called the "Sentry" or "Century Moon" by fans who misheard the Emperor&#39;s phrase, "*sanctuary* moon." [James Kahn&#39;s ROTJ noevlization] Ephant Mon [chez Jabba]: An elision of "Elephant Man," which this critter resembles. [] Executor (Vader&#39;s SSD): A person or thing who executes or enacts a work; in a legal sense, a person entrusted to carry out the provisions of a will. By semantic slippage, the name suggests Vader&#39;s dual role as the executioner of spare admirals and the enforcer of Palpatine&#39;s will (bidding). 4-LOM [TESB bounty hunter]: A Kenner-spawned contraction of the phrase "for the love of money." [George Emmons] Gaeriel Captison [_Truce at Bakura_]: Gabriel ("man/hero of God") is the archangel traditionally identified as the angel of the annunciation and associated with the Virgin Mary. Another reference may be to the name "Ariel," most recently used in _The Little Mermaid_, but also in _The Tempest_ and _The Rape of the Lock_. In the latter two, Ariel is an "aerial" spirit of the atmosphere. "Ariel" itself means "lion of God." "Captison" may be interpreted as "captain&#39;s son" or "captive&#39;s son." While the latter may seem contextually unlikely, the Germano-Frankish royal name "Giselle/Ghislaine" arose from a word for "pledge or hostage" and a method of coaxing alliances. Gallandro [Daley]: A possible conflation of "gallant" and the Greek _andros_, "man" ( <-- android, androgynous, Andrew). Garm Bel Iblis [Zahn]: Garm was the watchdog of Niflheim, the Norse underworld ruled by the goddess Hel. As such, he represents a Norse analogue of Cerberus, who guarded Hades in Greek myth. [George Emmons] Bel is a Babylonian god, possibly a double of Baal [q.v., "Bail"]. One book of the Apocrypha, _Bel and the Dragon (or Snake)_, recounts how the prophet Daniel proved Bel&#39;s worship to be a fraud. Iblis is the chief evil jinn in Islamic lore, often identified with Satan. Greedo: Sounds like a combination of "greedy" and "Guido," evoking the image of an unscrupulous Mafia hitperson. Han Solo: "Han" is an archaic English form of "John," surviving in surnames like Hanson and Hancock. When elided with "Solo" ("alone"), it sounds like "Hans" (a German form of "John") and is sometimes misspelled that way. Biblical Johns include Christ&#39;s favorite apostle (traditionally identified with the evangelist) and Christ&#39;s baptizing cousin. Various proverbs and idioms are linked to the name, e.g. "jack of all trades." Joru(u)s C&#39;Baoth [Zahn&#39;s trilogy]: "Joris" [sic] is a Dutch and Frisian form of "George." Clone names are stringently formed, not by repetition of a random letter but always a U. To paraphrase Vian Lawson, "We know U&#39;re a clone because there&#39;s more than one of U." Zahn stated in an interview [archived at] that "C&#39;Baoth" is intended to evoke the Biblical phrase "Lord God Sabaoth," meaning "Lord God of Hosts." In Zahn, "host" likely contains a double sense of "army" and "sustainer of a parasite or a graft." Katana [Zahn trilogy]: The longer of the two swords a samurai was entitled to carry. John Keegan writes of the samurai "cult of the sword," "It seems to have partaken of the Japanese belief in the importance of unity with nature and natural forces, since muscular effort is &#39;natural&#39; while the chemical energy of gunpowder is not." [p 45, _A History of Warfare_. New York: Borzoi, 1993.] Klaatu, Barada, Nikto: The names of these three skiff guards are given in merchandise and production sources, though not in ROTJ itself. "Klaatu, Barada, Nikto" originated as a robot command phrase in the 1950&#39;s film _The Day The Earth Stood Still_. Leia: The name has been pronounced with either a long A or a long E sound. As the former, "Leia" has been called a variant of "Leila," a Semitic name meaning "night." A Talmudic source cites Leila as the Angel of Night. Both pronunciations are also used for "Leah," the first wife of Jacob. "Leah" is said to mean "wild cow," "languid," or "weary" in Hebrew, and "mistress" in Assyrian. There also exists the name "Lea," the feminine form of "Leo" (lion) [cf. Ariel, "Gaeriel Captison"]. Lianna (a pseudonym of Mara Jade (q.v.); an Imperial base [WEG]): An alternate form of "Eliane," rooted in the Greek _helios_, "sun." The liana or liane ["mot fr. des Antilles, des dial. de l&#39;Ouest," _Petit Robert 1_, 1991] is a tropical vine that insinuates thorny tendrils into the trees it climbs upon, and eventually strangles them. Sometimes the original host tree entirely rots away, leaving the liana still fused upright like a hollow pillar of lace. Lobot: Combines "lobe" with "robot." Probably refers to the cyborgic mechanism around his head (brain lobes). Another reading is a shortened form of "lobotomy," referring to his surgical modification. [] Luke: Commonly associated with "light," from the Greek _leukos_, "white or bright," or the Latin _lux_, "light." While this is true of the Roman names Lucius and Lucia, and variants thereof, "Luke" actually arises from a completely different root, meaning "man from Lucania": Greek _Loukas_, Latin _Lucas_. When young Skywalker&#39;s name is compressed to first name and last initial, he becomes "Luke S.", intensifying suspicion of this character as a directorial stand-in. Historically, the name Luke has been best known as the putative author of the third gospel in the New Testament. This apostle was a doctor and a Gentile; the last aspect may relate to our Luke&#39;s conversion from initial ignorance of the Force. Mara Jade [Zahn]: "Mara" is Hebrew for "bitter"; it is commonly read as an alternate version of "Mary" (exact etymology unknown, but thought to relate to the sea). Both are in the Bible: Mara in Ruth 2:20; Mary/Miriam in places too numerous to list. Kama-Mara is the Buddhist deity of love and death. A jade is a translucent gem (usually green), a broken-down horse, or a hussy. The last may hearken to one of the Biblical Marys, a harlot from Magdala who became one of Christ&#39;s disciples. A common demi-heretical speculation (along with the equation of Lucifer ("light-bearer") with Prometheus) is that Mary Magdalene and Christ married or became lovers (e.g., _The Last Temptation of Christ_). Mon Calamari: "Mon" is French for "my," but also the Japanese word for the crest of a noble house. Other possible roots are the Greek _monos_, "one" (monarch, monastic) and Latin _mons_, "mountain," both of which denote eminence. "Calamari" (also spelled "calamary") means "squid." This may be the only entry you later find useful in restaurants. Obi-Wan: One theory is that Kenobi was a clone line&#39;s template, so that "Obi-Wan" derives from the designation "OB-1." Alternately, other Warsies think the "OB" part stands for "Old Ben." While Obi-Wan may be an expanded transliteration like "Artoo-Detoo" for "R2-D2," no LFL-licensed sources have used the "OB-1" form. Organa: Possibly intended to evoke a sense of flowing vitality ("organic") in contrast to the hard-edged technology of the Empire. Owen Lars: "Owen" is a Welsh form of "Eugenius," meaning "well-born." It may also refer to him "owing" a debt to someone, or "owning" Luke in loco parentis. David Jansen ( adds, "Someone also mentioned that it was a clone designation like OB-1 (O-N) and that Ben and Owen were brothers in both being O-series clones." [cf. "Ben," "Obi-Wan"] "Lars" is a Scandinavian form of "Laurence." Like "Luke," this is a regional name ("man from Laurentium") commonly ascribed with a more glamorous meaning ("laurel-crowned"). The Lares (two syllables) were Roman household gods. Palpatine: Appears to conflate the Latin _palpare_, "to stroke, press, or flatter" ( <- palpate, palpitations), with "Palatine," one of the seven hills of Rome, on which several emperors resided. By extension, the adjectival form _palatinus_ acquired the meaning "imperial"; the Latin name of the hill itself, _Palatium_, is the root of "palace." Peregrine [Zahn]: One of the largest and swiftest kinds of falcon. As an isolated adjective, "peregrine" means "foreign or wandering," a short conceptual step to "exiled." The name "Peregrin(e)" is sometimes given in honor of several early saints, and was Pippin Took&#39;s full first name in LOTR. Ree-Yees [chez Jabba]: A scrambled version of "three-eyes," which this critter has. [] Rukh [Zahn]: An enormous bird in Arabic legend, also transliterated "roc"; some mythographers equate it with the phoenix. Sith: An archaic version of "since," e.g., "What is thy Body but a swall&#39;wing Grave, Seeming to bury that Posterity Which by the Rights of Time thou needs must have If thou destroy them not in dark Obscurity? If so the World will hold thee in Disdain, Sith in thy Pride so fair a Hope is slain." [Shakespeare, _Venus and Adonis_, stanza 127] Also visually resembles the Irish name for Faerie, "Sidhe" (pronounced "she"). An especially tenuous link can be drawn from the Arthurian view of the tril, in which Leia, as Luke&#39;s sister and love interest, fulfills the role of Morgan le Fay; Leia is hailed in Zahn as "Lady Vader," the heir to Vader&#39;s Sith honorific (Sith = Sidhe = Faerie = Fay). Sturm and Drang [Zahn (Karrde&#39;s pet vornskrs)]: "Sturm und Drang" literally translate to "storm and stress" in German. Specifically, a stylistic trend in late 19th century German literature, glorifying individuality and impulsiveness. More generally, any chaos or tumult. Skywalker: A title of Loki, the Norse god of fire. Loki was punished for rebellion against the gods by being bound to a rock, where a serpent dropped burning venom onto his body. This presents a possible link to Anakin&#39;s supposed lava bath; also cf. Prometheus/Lucifer in "Mara Jade" entry. Talon Karrde [Zahn]: A talon is the hooked claw of a bird of prey. In view of the name of his ship, "Karrde" probably comes from "card." One of the titles Zahn considered for _Heir to the Empire_ was _Wild Card_. Tarkin: A near-homophone of "Tarquin," the name of several Etruscan kings of Rome. The last of these, Tarquin the Proud, committed such outrages that the Romans overthrew the monarchy and established the republic. The outrage most commonly commemorated in art is his rape of the Roman noblewoman Lucretia. (The etymology of "Lucretia" is unclear, but the name&#39;s resemblance to "Luke" is of interest: Lucretia as an oblique female version of Luke, i.e. Leia.) TIE fighter: Acronym for "twin ion engine." In the ANH novelization (credited to George Lucas, but ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster), it was not fully capitalized, and was written "Tie"; the name may have originated as a reference to the craft&#39;s approximate "bow-tie" shape. Thrawn [Zahn]: A Scottish word for "twisted, perverse, or unpleasant." Some have also interpreted it as a portmanteau of "thrall" and "pawn"; the Grand Admiral does not appear to be anyone&#39;s tool within Zahn, but he may have been unwittingly used if one takes _Dark Empire_ into account. A derivation from "prawn" has also been proposed, as a counterpart to the Alliance&#39;s seafood admiral. Tydirium: Tydeus was the father of Diomedes, a Greek hero of the Trojan War. The Latin genitive plural would be _Tydeorum_, "belonging to Tydeuses." Tyndareus (Lat. gen. pl., "Tyndareorum") was the consort of Leda, Queen of Sparta, whom Zeus courted in the shape of a swan. Wayland [Zahn]: A legendary Norse/Germanic smith, also known as Volund. One legend speaks of him seizing a Valkryie&#39;s swan-plumage while she bathed or slept, depriving her of flight. Wookie(e): Originated during _THX-1138_, when one actor ad-libbed the background dialogue, "It sounds like you ran over a Wookie(e) back there!". The word is spelled with one E in the ANH novelization, but with two E&#39;s in most other sources. Partial bibliography-- Campbell, Joseph. _The Hero With A Thousand Faces_. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1973. Frazer, Sir James George. _The Golden Bough_, 1 vol. abridged ed.. New York: Collier Books, 1963. Graves, Robert, and Raphael Patai. _The Hebrew Myths_. New York: Anchor Books, 1989. Hanks, Patrick, and Flavia Hodges. _A Dictionary of First Names_. Oxford, Oxford University Press, 1992. _The New English Bible: with the Apocrypha_. Eds. Samuel Sandmel, M. Jack Suggs, and Arnold J. Tkacik. New York: Oxford University Press, 1976.

  • April 21, 2002, 12:50 p.m. CST

    by Pagoda

    I&#39;ll admit that Lucas really screwed up with the "restorations", but if he would just release the trilogy---special edition or not---i, for one, would be very happy. they can&#39;t still be working on the extra features, and we can easily always just skip over the dance sequence in ROTJ or what have you... but, he&#39;ll probably end up sitting on the original trilogy DVD until he&#39;s milked everything he can out of the new trilogy, and we get thirsty for anything SW.

  • April 21, 2002, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t really care....

    by ManosTHOF greedy Lucas is or isn&#39;t, his motivations, what&#39;s in his head or anything else. Sure, if he wants Greedo to shoot first or re-engineer his own movies, characters, or continuity, it&#39;s his movie franchise and he can do whatever he wants. No argument here. But Greedo shooting first was a prime example of a pollitically correct re-edit that takes away from the spirit and credibility of an important character, Han Solo, and was done for PC reasons. It ruined that film for me, it truly did. I&#39;ll stick with my originals, thanks. I don&#39;t need to be told that thanks to revisionism Han Solo isn&#39;t a scoundrel or badass anymore in the first film. As far as the mention of the Stand by Stephen King before, his editor told him to chop several hundred pages. And it made the book better. In the end, it&#39;s the finished product that matters and not betraying the original spirit that was intended and what your audience identified with as far as I am concerned. The Star Wars special editions lost a lot of their charm with the cgi clutter and re-edits. I guess when the Super Special Edition is out, someone will tell Luke that they were there when his pop won the Boonta Eve Open. And When Artoo and Threepio land on Tattoine, 3P0 will say to Luke, "man, I remember when your dad built me here all these years ago". Alec Guiness, a cgi version by then, will say, "Hey, those old droids I used to hang with. Threepio, I remember when you were all wires!" You know the best way to keep true to existing continuity? STAY TRUE TO EXISTING CONTINUITY, quite going back and trying to make it jive. There are millions of people who have the mythology and continuity down cold, I wonder why the creator doesn&#39;t, and for some reason feels that it is something that is "manageable". And George, if you re-do Episode I, take out the crap with the Force being from alien parasites. Talk about spoiling the mystic and spiritual aspect of it.

  • April 21, 2002, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Maybe Wuher the bartender will shoot first now...

    by slwalsh


  • April 21, 2002, 4:34 p.m. CST

    New ANH Rumour

    by ManosTHOF

    Greedo and Han play "Hungry Hungry Hippos" with Jar Jar&#39;s grandfather as referee. (This will be changed to cgi thumbwrestling when cgi technology evolves to the point where it can be pulled off----however, Greedo extends his thumb first) Thank God all those plot holes and loose ends are tied up!

  • April 21, 2002, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Re: Darth Vega--what other great movie scenes could be ruined em

    by ManosTHOF

    Well, how about instead of Indy shooting the sword guy in "Raiders", the guy pulls a pistol, shoots first, and misses at point blank range. Wouldn&#39;t that just ruin it?

  • April 21, 2002, 5:56 p.m. CST

    sonny shoots first

    by CosDashit

    How about if Coppola reshoots Sonny&#39;s death scene in The Godfather by having the now 60-something year old James Caan pull out a tommy gun at the tollbooth and shoot at some of his would-be assassins, just to show he brought his death upon himself. Or better still, redo the dinner scene with Sollozzo so that he and McKluskey draw their weapons first, just to show Michael is shooting in self-defense. And if Pacino and Caan won&#39;t do it, reshoot all their scenes with a new actor, a la Kubrick in EWS.

  • April 21, 2002, 10:44 p.m. CST


    by Cruel Shoes

  • April 21, 2002, 10:47 p.m. CST

    "What&#39;s in that theatre?" "Only what you take with you."

    by Cruel Shoes

  • April 22, 2002, 1:22 a.m. CST

    You&#39;ll See It On DVD...

    by The Bouj

    You know Lucas will gouge the paying customer for 3 versions of the original trilogy: 1.) The Super-Improved, Let&#39;s put Jimmy Smits and God-knows-what-else, Even More Screwed With Special Edition. 2.) The 1999 Special Editions 3.) The Originals And he won&#39;t do it until after Episode 3 comes out on DVD. He does it with the VHS versions of the tapes (aren&#39;t there like 3 or 4 versions of the Original Trilogy out there somewhere?!), so you know it&#39;s coming.

  • April 22, 2002, 3:49 a.m. CST

    A-Null: Do you know what circumstantial evidence is?

    by Voice O. Reason

    Its evidence that is not directly relevant to the facts in a legal dispute. What YOU have is circumstantial evidence. An FAQ containing coincidental meanings of names does not prove anything. Especially since the FAQ is not officially licensed by Lucasfilm. An original draft script for THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (cited in a book officially licenced by Lucasfilm), that contains Luke being contacted by the ghost of his dead father, is actual proof that Lucas was making this up as he went along. Lucas created this myth that he had the whole thing planned from the beginning as propaganda. By the way, the tooth fairy isn&#39;t real either.

  • April 22, 2002, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Lucas will suck the beegeezeesss out of you!!!!

    by Jedi#16

    I&#39;ll wait for the Re-re-re-re-re-release of the "original trilogy". Then maybe good ol George will give it a rest. And another thing, I know that there was a shot in Return of the Jedi showing a captain in a Y-wing during the end battle. (It&#39;s the same gut in the Rouge Squadurn N64 game.) Why the F*** was that not in the Special Edition? oh.....yeah. (read subject title).

  • April 23, 2002, 1:34 a.m. CST

    james cameron does a special edition

    by buzza

    of titanic. only this time the ship does&#39;nt sink!!!!

  • April 23, 2002, 9:23 a.m. CST

    The Original "Vision"

    by tramlaw

    Does anyone here actually remember going to see SW in the theater in &#39;77? And if so, did the scroll actually say "Episode IV: A New Hope" back then? This would be proof that Lucas isn&#39;t completely full of sh*t to me.

  • April 29, 2002, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Quite Scary

    by ESB_Dabest

    For years and years, I have been online reading what fans have to say about the Star Wars movies, special editions, new prequels and George Lucas. It is scary to see how emotional and freakish you people are. I will be the first to admit that I am a fanatic. I&#39;ve read the expanded universe books, played the games, watched each film at least a 100 times. What&#39;s funny is that to most of the people reading this, I am still very much a light-weight on Star Wars info. People go out of their minds ripping the films, the franchise and George Lucas to shreds. WHY? What is so horrible about these movies? They are supposed to be entertainment! They have influenced my life and brought me endless enjoyment. What purpose do you accomplish by spending so much time, energy, and effort doing nothing but speculating about the personal life and motivations of a man you have never met or known; George Lucas. You people relentlessly attack the films, their backgrounds, production and conception. Do you think you have somehow enlightened the public masses with your verbose, repetitive attacks? Have you somehow convinced George Lucas that you know better (as an armchair quarterback executive/expert of the film industry)than he would know, as an accomplished writer/director/producer with well over $3 billion in box office revenue under his belt? The point is that Lucas is absolutely right. You people need to get some lives. Either enjoy the films and get as immersed as you want to get into them. If the films don&#39;t satisfy you, fine. Don&#39;t dwell on it. Be an adult. Be mature. Realize that everything in the world isn&#39;t tailored to your personal needs and desires. Lucas is an individual who can do what he wants with the Star Wars franchise. I don&#39;t care if he intended the whole series to be one big movie, he lied through his teeth about having always intended to make 6 movies, or having Greedo shoot a friggin&#39; bazooka at Han Solo. It&#39;s his prerogative. I love the end result. He is a savvy businessman and a creative genius. God bless his contributions to society. To all the naysayers and critics, get a life, and then get on with it!

  • June 14, 2002, 5:58 a.m. CST

    SW original Versions on DVD

    by pureimpure

    If any of you want The Original Versions of Star wars on DVD (these are not the SPECIAL EDITIONS) ,I have a few sets that I bought in china and they are pretty decent in quality .Email me so we can talk about pricing . (at least one way this movie is preserved. God Bless China and theyre Rules about copyrights,wait they have no rules about copyrights .)