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Wanna see what Obi Wan could look like in Episode 3'
Harry here.... WOW. I mean, just WOW. Now this is some damn fine character make up, or something. That's just eerie. UGH... Dying to see EPISODE 3. DYING. BTW, there is a 'draft' of the ATTACK OF THE CLONES drifting around online at the moment. Do not read this and judge and anticipate this as being the film coming soon to a theater near you. THere are MASSIVE differences. Action scenes that are not included in that draft, character moments, tons of dialogue... Basically it has the structure right, and sometimes the scenes are exact, but there seems to be great amounts of 'filler' that just isn't anywhere near the final film. ANYWHERE NEAR. Meanwhile, check this out.... Is this post Anakin / Obi Wan fight? If that even exists? I don't know, but I like it!
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Seein the Alec Guiness Picture right behind him...can';t wait for it. Anyone who posts "FIRST!" gets 7 years bad luck.
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Apr 07, 2002 4:08:36 PM CDT
I wouldn't blame Ewan McGregor if he wanted to follow in Ale
by cooldan989
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And Obi-Wan won't look this old in Episode III.
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Apr 07, 2002 4:12:00 PM CDT
Man, the whole Alec Guiness - Ewan Mcgregor thing is fuckin frea
by thaguru
I saw shades of it in episode 1 and 2. But man, he really does look like like a young battered version of obi-wan that's about to go into hiding.
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bleh
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Bad luck is better than the luck I've been having. BRING IT ON!!!
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it looks more like another gay brit actor in a fantasy than Alec
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C'mon man, how long have you been running this site? You should be able to spot shoddy Photoshop rejects like that a MILE away by now. However, it does peak my interest a little as to what Obi-Wan WILL look like in Ep. 3.
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too many things wrong with it to be real but i dont think harry would post it if his sources were suss! biggest giveaway is .... where is his upper lip! ouch!
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I agree with every one else who said that pic is photoshoped.______ I hope it's not real, cause it looks like shit.____ Why isn't there a report on here about the new Austin Powers title, it's - Never Say 'Member' Again - I emailed Harry this, but he obviously doesn't believe me.
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... Lucas won't use actual make -up to age Obi Wan. He'll do it digitally! Why would he use the tried & true method of slathering an actor in latex when he could be showing off his latest CGI monstrosity. C'mon people, think about it.
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of george lucuses crapy effect
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Harry how could you fall for this? Even I could do better in MS Paint.
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Hi, here's why think this picture is a fake, from a 'photoshop' standpoint :)
Firstly, as people have already pointed out, the nose looks horrendous. In particular, the base of it, which leads me to think it might be a join between Ewan's and Alec's heads.
Secondly, the wall in the background has a hell of a lot of compression artifacts on it, which are not evident anywhere else in the picture (at least not in that abundence) which makes me thing that the wall is a lyer underneath all the other bits of pictures chopped up and thrown together here :)
Then, the picture of Alec to the right doesn't look quite right. It looks strangely lit within the rest of the picture and it really has a massive amount of edge enhancement which again suggest that its another layered image. Look at the base of it, a thick green line? Doesn't look right to me.
And on the subject of green, whats with the tint to Ewan's hair on the left and right? More lights off camera? Or an image taken from a shot of him acting in front of a greenscreen perhaps?
Finally, to the left of the beard, there is a patch of skin that looks a little too light to me. It almost matches the tone of the right side of the face, which is in light. And looking at the angles of shadow, the area on the left that looks light should indeed also be in shadow. This makes me think that maybe its a poorly finished join between images again.
But anyway, enough of that. I think its fake, maybe I'm wrong though. maybe it is a rough makeup test and all of the above discrepancies are there because, simply put, it is ROUGH. -
..Left eye is looking to the left, right eye is looking to the front...
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this is an insult to my intelligence. And i got all excited too, i guess harry had his beer glasses on.
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Apr 07, 2002 5:12:16 PM CDT
About as real as all those nude Christina Applegate nude shots f
by wash
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Good God man.
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That no Ewan McGregor. That fake punkassbitch. I thump him on head and poop on fake nose. BONGO SAYS DIE!!!
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Apr 07, 2002 5:23:00 PM CDT
Fake. But maybe the Lucasfilm make-up dept. did do this to get a
by sk909
I agree. Fake... fake... fake, fake, fake. But maybe this was done at Lucasfilm in Photoshop ON PURPOSE? To get an idea for what they should do to him? Who says they have to do a full-blown make-up test at this stage. Maybe this was just the make-up department screwing around, trying to come up with ideas. BTW, don't flame me for this, but you can check out my short film Hard of Hearing at Studentfilms.com It appears on the main page until next week. Thanks... hope you like it.
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Apr 07, 2002 5:25:09 PM CDT
WinterGreen, he didn't post the story b/c obviously other we
by lenny nero
It's starting to be like Dark Horizons, Coming Attractions, and this are a ring of scoop sites, each with their own type of thing. I get them from all three and I don't complain.
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Just read it. Not good. Not good at all. Hope it was a fake too!
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Apr 07, 2002 5:31:59 PM CDT
There'd be no need for Obi-Wan to look so much older in Ep3
by barrelrider
unless they're trying to say that all the stress has made his beard turn grey:) I've just gotten annoyed with myself because I remembered that I've vowed to into Ep3 spoiler-free, so I've already kinda broken my vow by clicking into this TB [although, of course, I haven't because this picture is laughably bad]. P.S I'd say SeaBass currently has holds the title of funniest post in this talkback!
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Being a graphic artist, I can tell this is done using a morph program, or someone pretty good at photoshop. Why would they be doing this now anyway? they are still working 24/7 on episode2.
Besides Lucas will just let it ride, and Ewan Mcgregor will look like Ewan Mcgregor.
The real question is what will they do if Christopher Lee dies before they finish his role in 3? That is, if Harry really did see it and his character lives. -
Has Harrys notice in the "real" media gone to his head? Has he become an Oprah or a Madonna? Has he taken his press too serious? There seems to be no indication that he realizes that this obvious fake is just a fake.
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Apr 07, 2002 5:56:08 PM CDT
this is the most obvious photoshop manip i've seen in awhile
by bearison ford
and if it isn't... so what, i'm wrong. you're still a nerd.
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Do a picture of Kevin Smith without a beard, at least then, then, your efforts and long time spent bent over a keyboard, painfully miss matching skin tones and noses will be worthwhile, and i won't feel so guilty about laughing at the result.
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1) Why is it that every time there's some sort of exclusive photo on this site, everybody and his aunt points and shouts "photoshop" as soon as they see it. Is Harry not in business to get this very type of exclusive ? Is this not why we visit this site several times a day ? Does he not have moles and spies all over the industry who would supply him with this kind of scoop ? 2) How EXACTLY can you tell it's a fake ? The nose is a different color from the rest of the face ? Uh.....it's a photo taken from a supposed TEST. That means that the makeup wasn't maybe finished....hadn't had the final powder or whatever applied to match it exactly. Feasable ? You bet. 3) Obi Wan won't be that old in Ep 3. What ? Seriously...how do you KNOW that ? How would ANYBODY apart from George Lucas know that ? You're all driving yourself nuts like sharks in a feeding frenzy trying to download the Ep 2 script, which none of you can actually agree if it's fake or not, because you won't even see the movie for over another month,
yet you figure you know how old Obi Wan will be in Ep 3 which hasn't even been fully scripted yet ????
While I wait for answers to these questions (not holding my breath)
I think we should take the photo at face value. I further suggest that we sit back and enjoy (or not...our choice) Ep 2 for what it is, and concentrate our efforts on Ep 3 in three years. Jeez, all of a sudden I feel like the voice of reason around here. -
why do i cry photoshop? BECAUSE IT FUCKING LOOKS LIKE A MANIPULATION. it's THAT simple. I wouldn't say ANYTHING if this thing looked authentic, but coming from someone who DOES this shit every day, it DOESN'T. if it IS real, then whatever. i'll gladly shut my mouth. You're acting like Harry's posts have been 100% fail safe in the past, which we ALL know isn't true. Sorry but I consider this the most tabloidish of the movie rumour sites, and i will always read the scoops here with a skeptic eye. It is not wrong to do so.
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But HOW can you tell ? That's the basis of my question. A lot of people here are saying obvious fake, but nobody gives a valid reason why it's so damned obvious. What signs could I, as a layman, check to see whether I agree with you or not ? Wouldn't Harry have checked if it was so obvious to everybody else ? And to clarify my point with the script, how do any of us know, that the makeup doesn't appear in the final scene of the movie, maybe some sort of epilogue to meld it in with the trilogy we've already seen.
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Note: Definition of "real" changed to "blatantly fake"
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What is with the comments that Ewan McGregor shouldn't look so old in Episode III? Have you read the script (which hasn't been written yet)?
For all we know that makeup is for a shot at the very end of the film that may take place some years later, to bridge the gap between Episodes 3 and 4.
Whatever the reason, he looks eerily like Alec Guiness. Spooky.
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The eyes are pointing in different directions. The features are all out of alignment. The nose is completly fucked up. The beard is black, not red. And the story doesn't make sense. Harry's enthusiastic and I can appreciate that but it's blinding him to common sense.
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According to all official (canon) sources, Obi-Wan's ages for the SW movies are as follows:
Episode 1 - 25
Episode 2 - 35
Episode 3 - 37
Episode 4 - 57
So "how do I know his age in Episode 2 when it hasn't even been scripted yet?" I READ it, dumbass. And I asked Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles about that picture, and even they could tell it was a fake. We're not driving ourselves nuts, and this isn't a feeding frenzy, we're just slightly more learned than you are, and obviously better informed to make such conjectures. Before you go on one of your little rants, do your research, or you might come off looking like the jackoff you just did.
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Yes it's a fake, but give the guy some credit - it's a decent job. Anyone who DOESN'T know photoshop (and there are more of them than there are of us) could easily be fooled. He just shouldn't have sent it to a forum like this, where anyone who knows anything about graphic manipulation will notice the problems (and point them out with unforgiving hostility). For me it was the text - the blue is too uniform. Write on a polaroid in marker or pen and you'll get an indent, or at least varying color within the strokes.
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Oh come on.... That got posted??
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That's what I thought. Not only is that picture a fake, it's not even a good fake. It's so obviously a forgery that it boggles my mind how you could fall for it. Are you this desperate for Star Wars news? Guess I answered my own question.
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Apr 07, 2002 7:12:58 PM CDT
Well, I hope that clears up the "Why this pic is fake" debate
by barrelrider
From the Photoshop-heads, the technical explanation, and from the SW enthusiasts, the story-related explanation. I hope the two doubting thomases who seem to have strayed into this thing get the idea. For my part, I'll say:the script may not be finished yet, but Lucas planned the general outline a long time ago; I doubt Episode III will have a leap in time at the end, itjust wouldn't be Star Wars-ish enough. PS- crow_t_robot now holds the "funniest post on the talkback" title, that Ray Charles comment cracked me up.
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you guys are retarded
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I got some of early porn cuts of Miss Spears that I want the rest of you to have. Good God! Could you imagine if they charged a fee to look at this site? Holy shit!
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Is Harry still from this planet? It seems everything he writes is now being written for an alternate reality. Blade II is cunnilingus. Disgracefully horrible-looking fake makeup is now "damn fine". Up means down. Four legs good, two legs better. Get off the drugs, Harry. Harry is so lost that he clings on to "Freddie Prinze, Jr. sucks" like a mantra of protection, as if it were his one link with the sanity that he once had.
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Ewan looks just like the reincarnation of Alec Guiness! Well his decomposing body anyway. He looks older than Guiness and nearest to Gandalf. Forget that. I'm damn glad that this is fake. If anyone does think its real: I'm selling the Brooklyn Bridge, wanna buy it....?
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Has his nose always been a strange peach-colored prism?
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I just saw the new Entertainment Weekly mag with Hayden and Natalie on the cover. Now I am having second thoughts about this guy. I mean this is fucking Star Wars he's supposed to be Darth Vader and it looks like he just got off the set of Velvet Goldmine. I am sure Michael Stipe would love him as his boy toy; but like I said this is star wars.
Now please somebody respond to this thought I have the perfect idea on who should have been cast as Anakin. After seeing the movie Bully with Nick Stahl I am sure he would have made the perfect Darth Vader the guy is totally fucking evil. Why the fuck didn't Lucas give him a screen test and he isn't a conventional pretty boy either. And Natalie said Hayden was dark yeah whatever I'm sure Macallum told her to say that. -
Anakin isn't supposed to start out evil or dark and he's definitly not suppose dto look evil. That's the whole point of the character.
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I can't believe all the lamebrains in here that think they are sooooo clever to 'figure out' that this was a photo manipulation.
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People in Harry's position need credibility. He's not going to flush his credibility down the toilet for a stupid joke. Anyway, his sense of humor isn't that subtle.
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Makes me get somewhat frustrated with this site. I defend it to me friends all the time, but really, I cannot remeber the last scoop (other than the Episode 2 review) that has found its way to this site. I mean, where the hell is a Two Towers trailer? Has anyone seen Spiderman? What is the point of reviewing a film 1 to 2 days before its release? Are we really getting "cool news" from this site?
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after the australian tv premiere of the phantom menace, they showed some new footage of the coruscant speeder chase scene. here are the screencaps, follow this link: www.starwars.gamigo.de/episode2/index.php3#3079
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This is *very* tedious. Even as a long-time reader and supporter of Harry's work, it's becoming increasing clear that he is posting total shit, informed more by his geek fantasies than by genuine critical judgement. This image is **clearly** a PhotoPaint composite. Much as it pains me to admit it, Harry has no credibility left as a **serious** critic.
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hey, wouldn't you look a heck of alot older if you had just tried to kill your Padawan and the Galaxy was under the oppression of an Intergalatic Dicatorship. McGreegor was a great choice for Obi-Wan, I can't wait to see him let loose in Ep. 2 (and the imagined Anakin/Obi-Wan duel in Ep.3 is going to be glorious...)
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Apr 07, 2002 10:04:47 PM CDT
The Power To Use Adobe Photoshop is inconsequential compared to
by manosthof
This photo is definitly a fake.
This fake pic is nicely done and would fool an amateur...but not a professional graphic artist or photographer....
Nice job in PhotoShop...but someone missed a few details...
First of all, the image of the main subject compared to the background...the edges are too crisp....they are not soft like a real photo would be. To have the main subject that crisp...the background would be very blurry....
Look above the background photo on the right...
That area there is a dead giveaway.....someone was a little rushed to finish. They used the blur tool....but not very well. And look how part of the main subject's ear is missing, and there is a white outline on the side of the lower ear....but the background photo is wearing all black there....
Look at the left background pic too... too crisp of an outline on the hair, and look at the gray streak which starts under the photos beard.....
Look at that white spot to the left of the subjects face...the mustache line...that is a bad job of blending pics together....
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Apr 07, 2002 10:09:41 PM CDT
at least it gives us an excuse to all think we're clever!
by half vader
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My only issue is that I think EP3 takes place one year after 2. I don't think one can age that much in a year.. but I'm sure it's a very stressful one for ol' Ben Kenobi so perhaps.
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Everyone gets so carried away (including Harry). Basic photography will show you that the closer the subject is to the camera in flash photos like polaroids the more the features get blasted out, and when film reacts to light brighter areas can tend to affect those around them (yeah there are a million variables but you get my drift). Even if the whole scene was out of focus the highlights can blow out and gain a hard edge. Most so-called photoshop experts and lousy airbrush artists seem to forget this. Great - now even I sound like an anal geek. At least if it hadda been me doin' this I woulda given him a mean case of redeye. Funny!
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I just noticed he's got a funny confused/pissed-off Deforest Kelley look about him. Of course I'd be pissed-off too with a name like that.
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Apr 07, 2002 10:36:20 PM CDT
I am a student with a strong background in computer graphics
by lobanhaki
First, if anybody looks at the properties on this roughly 600X700 photograph, they will notice one crucial element about this photo. It is a 74 KB JPEG. Now 600X700*24 bits=1.2MB. That was your original image we're talking 16 to 1 compression. Anybody who did more than schlep through some design class understands that putting something through 16 to 1 JPEG compression is going to leave beaucoup compression artefacts PERIOD.
As for it being a combination? Combining a head with a body is one thing. They were doing that with Oprah ten years ago (it was a big embarrassment for TV Guide). Two things would argue against that: Shadows and Geometry. Ewan's face and Alec's face would have to be facing in the same direction, morph software or no, because only then would there be nothing of either actor's face missing. Additionally, the beard that Ewan sports is distinctly different than the one that Alec does in terms of it's shading. Hair is hard to do right. It's hard to fake, even in 3-D. Speaking of 3-D: tell me, if this is a fake, what happened to the differing shadows? why does his entire face look like it's being lit form the same direction, with the highlights matching along his nose, his eyebrows, and his forehead?
And one final thing: look at the edges of the image, between the picture and the polaroid photo border. The film is pinched under. It's slight, but it's there. That Polaroid is real.
And if the Polaroid is real, then the image must be, because faking something and then outputting it to polaroid is not as easy as outputting it to regular film. I don't believe there are commercial polaroid digital image printers out there. -
Episode III is supposed to take place only 2 years after AOTC? TPM starts 40 years before ANH, right? AOTC is 10 years after TPM. And presumably in Episode III Anakin turns into Darth Vader. So Ep III is now 28 years before ANH - are Luke and Leia in their late twenties in ANH? Does he impregnate Padme as Vader? Does TPM take place 40 years before ANH or not? I always figured there would be 10 year gaps between each episode, so that Episode III would end on the birth/hiding of Luke and Leia 20 years prior to ANH - an event that would coincide with the Empire's final takeover. I have way too much time on my hands, but does anybody with more time know what the official math is on this?
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Nope, much as I'd love this to be a real deal, I think it's a Photoshop bastard child. Still, it's fun to hope.
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i agree with SWRules although in a slightly different context. While obviously I know jackshit about what kind of character Lucas sees Anakin/Vader as, I always thought that he as a younger self would be much more akin than to someone like Qui Gon Jinn rather than the rebellious mixture of Han Solo/Luke that they apparently are trying to swing on him (EXCUSE ME MASTER!)... much more astute and reserved, not such a freewheeling retard. heh.
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i wonder if this is going to turn into one of those things that when it's proven to be fake (and i trust that it will), it will simply disappear from the site without a trace or much less a retraction. i still have emails saved from harry where he retains that he knows "without a doubt" that he is right about Christopher Walken being in Episode II. we all knowc how that turned out.
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All guys are obnoxious, arrogant assholes at that age. He's playing the character exactly as he should. As for the time frame, Episode III is about 20 years before ANH. Episode II is 2-3 years before that and TPM is 10 years before that.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=6431 Here's a quote: Christopher Walken has been confirmed for STAR WARS, and the announcement should be up on the official site within days. The coolest part is that he's got a character name now... and he is Darth Bane. Seen it with my own two eyes. Pretty f'ing cool. Talk to you soon. And this: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=6153 Pay particular attention to the "I'm convinced of the truthfulness of this report" Haha! But then again, you never know, Harry and Lucasfilm could have worked something out since he's obviously been shilling for Episode II lately.
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I think its real. Looks real enough.
Sure, it looks kinda crappy, but it is only a make-up TEST, meaning, the make-up guys are just fucking around to see what they can do.
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I specialize in Photoshop and after looking at this photo VERY closely I can see that it's not a fake. If you know anything about photo editing, you'd know that when you cut and paste, the pixels don't line up perfectly and usually to cover this you need to blend the two areas together. In this picture there are no pixel shifts and there are no blend smudges. Just because people can do amazing things with photoshop doesn't mean they can cover every little trick. Don't be such cynical bitches all the time.
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I've been working with Photoshop and several other programs. I have a friend who is a superb graphics artist who I've worked on with many projects. We've both analyzed this photo very carefully and I will say I am 90& sure it is not a fake. Like Lobanhaki stated in his superb post the image has been compressed 16 to 1. That would cause most of the artifacts you band-wagon hopping wannabe techies claim are proof it's a fake. The compression also explains why the marker writing doesn't have the subtle shades you would see in an uncompressed picture. In an uncompressed BMP this image would be 1.15mb. Compressed to JPEG at 100^ quality it would be 154kb. However this picture is 63.8 which would make it about 85% quality. Even 100% quality JPEG doesn't show ALL the subtle detail of an uncompressed BMP. When you have compression it means some details get left out and therefore colors that are subtly different to the naked eye or an uncompressed BMP will look identical in the compressed image. As such *IF* this is a fake it's a hell of a lot better job then any of you wannabe PSer dweebs could do. I say put up or shut up you so-called "experts". If it's a bad fake then do a better one and impress us. Oh and you people saying EP3 takes place 1-2 years after AOTC and there would never been a flash forward because it's not "Star Wars"-ish... Well for one how do you know when it will be set? Just because such-and-such fan site, or such-and-such LucasArts CD or such-and-such magazine article claims that's when George says it will be? Even if he has said so it's his movie and he could change his mind. As for a flash-forward not being Star Wars-ish. Was the Two-Headed announcer in TPM Star Wars-ish? Was Ben Quadronaros Star Wars-ish? Was Jar Jar's Jerry Lewis antics Star Wars-ish? Was the cartoon Gungan/Droid battle Star Wars-ish? Is AOTC taking place ten years after TPM Star Wars-ish? Face it Lucas is not following any of the rules of style he laid down with the original trilogy so don't pretend you know what he has in mind for E3. Only Lucas knows that and he can change his mind from what he has stated in the past and he most likely has. Several times.
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Ewan almost drowned the other day shooting a movie, right? So he's in Scotland, right? They wouldn't write "4/6" on a make-up test in the UK meaning "April 6th" because it's DAY/MONTH over there. Same in Australia and most of the world besides the US - - so wouldn't it say "6/4" unless this was supposed to have been done last June? And why no YEAR? Jeez - I'm arguing about a shot that is patently FALSE - it's cribbed from the stinking Alec Guiness picture off the right side of the frame, for heaven's sake. Just pop up Photoshop, blow up that same picture in the corner 300% and do a Transform / Rotate Left about 15 degrees and it's freakin' the SAME PICTURE! Ass clowns.
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I'm probably not completely right but I think the timeline is this
TPM - 10 years - AOTC - 1 year - EP3 - 20 years - ANH - 3 years - TESB - 1 year - ROTJ -
Although the face itself is well done, with matching shadows/highlight angles, believable blur, etc, the outer edge of the hair is very obviously a blurred cutout. Also, the background is too flat, too illuminated and too in focus for a Polaroid.
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Wait - here's the REAL picture from LucasFilms - Harry missed it - I think Ewan looks a LOT more like Guiness in this effort:
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...have determined it is real.
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Who cares if it's fake or not, this is how it should be done regardless.
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Sponsors, you're wasting your money and your time here, we're not interested, try Fredie Prinze Jr's website. You will not sell a thing here. Honestly, it is pointless, it hurts Harry's Website, it hursts your image, and most importantly, it hurts me...please stop hurting me, go away. Remember Harry, annoying things take customers away, and withouth public, there is not much point for advertising. Banners we can all live with, they just sit there, but this violent little windows getting in my face... ALL POP-UPS AND NO GOOD INFO MAKE SORRY512 A DULL BOY!
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Apr 08, 2002 1:20:40 AM CDT
whoa. having the shots of Sir Alec in the background make you un
by a goonie
man, i can't wait for Attack of the Clones. of course, i'm looking forward to part 3 too, but first things first.
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If it is a fake, it's a DAMN good one. Yes, some of his facial features look fake. THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S WEARING A ROUGH MAKEUP JOB. Yes, the make up job does look alot like the photo in the background. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE PROBABLY USING IT AS A MODEL. I give it at least a 50% chance to be real. If it is fake, then it's done by someone who's probably 1000 times better than most of you idiots. It is only 'obviously fake' if you're too stupid to understand that his face is covered in makeup that's not finished yet. The only thing on it that really looks odd to me is the patch of white to the right of and below his beard. Mabye it's just the compression, but it does look a little odd.
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Yeah. It's fake. To those non-believers, check it: the left side of Ewan's face has the same features on it that the picture of Alec on the left conveys. The pic on the right side does the exact same thing with Ewan's face. I'm pretty sure that whomever the original artist is, they set it up as such, just for shits & giggles. It's quite possible this thing was passed around a little bit before getting to Harry. Harry, you re-re. Let Moriarty run the site. There's a lot less of this shit when he's in charge.
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Then how come the background of the picture is so clear? With Ewan being so close up and clear, shouldn't the background of the picture(in other words, the pictures of Sir Alec) be blurrier? Yet they are very clear. Also, even if it is a picture from 6/4(June 4th) you know what? Ewan hasn't looked like that on 6/4 in any of the last two years. In 2000, he was already growing his beard(yet notice in this picture his face is clean shaven where there is no beard) and his hair was still mostly black from filming Moulin Rouge. There is an interview with on the British show Hard Talk done around May 31st 2000 and he's already started his beard(he's quite stubbly) and his hair is still black. In 2001 on 6/4, his hair was in a military style crew cut because he was filming Black Hawk Down. The closest you can come to him having that hair cut and color would be 1999 when he was either just finishing up filming Nora(in which he played James Joyce) or getting ready to go to Australia to film Moulin Rouge. Would they really have called him in for a make up test for EP III before they'd even started filming or, finishing up the script for that matter, for EP II?
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Apr 08, 2002 2:51:48 AM CDT
What's that strange line in between his left cornea (I'm
by iamjack'suserid
It looks like his eyeball has been dragged to the left...
ALso, his semi beard is strange in that fact that the left side of his beard runs almost into his mouth while the other side is a good distance from the edge of his mouth. Not centered around his mouth...
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Hey, the so called photoshop geniuses, have you ever thought this could be a PICTURE taken with polaroid of a printed fake??
you guys definitly think you are smarter right?
I am also an experimented photoshop user and i can tell you, this is a fake !!!
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Hahaha! Harry you've got to be kidding! Can you say Photoshop?!
This looks more like the make-up Inspector Clouseau would put on. Just look at that nose.
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Go to www.panicware.com and download Pop-Up Stopper. It runs in the system tray and blocks all pop-ups. Oh yeah and it's free too with no spyware or other BS. I'd go nuts without it the way every site on the net is pop-up happy these days. If everyone used this little program those jerk-offs would loose a buttload of money and be forced to go back to unobtrusive banner ads. I just wish someone would figure out a way to block those lousy flash ads that pop up on websites, covering up text and annoying the crap at me. I Won uses them as does IGN. (Yet IGN has the balls to charge for half their content now!) Bastards.
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anyone who labels this pic as real is fucking cocnuts and the kid that played anakin in EP'1's acting was fucking horrendous, just as cheesy as this new anakin will be... i will still see this movie cuz the trailer has had me hypnotized with it;s video-game graphics, viva fantasy films making a comeback.. and heads up for sam-wise's and frodo's homo-erotic relationship! remember it's not homo-sexual it's homo-"sensual" dorks. -81666
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i don't get it, how come harry is so excited over this photo?
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I wasn't going to respond to your feeble excuse for a post. Normally, educationally subnormal sociopaths like you aren't worth my time or my effort, but I figure I could do with the exercise. First off, you are a sad, insecure, paranoid little man who reeks of bad self esteem. You couldn't answer a simple question asked in civil terms without resoting immediately to profanity and insult. You have a deep inferiority complex. You get all defensive when someone asks something that you're the self appointed high priest of.
Let me tell you something, sonny....I've been watching Star Wars movies since 1977. In that time I've seen and read a lot about it. Some of it "canon" and some of it not. In all that time, I learned one main thing....nothing is "canon" until it's up there on the screen in front of you (and even then, things can change those of us old enough can recall a toime when it was canon that Greedo didn't fire first it was also canon for two decades that the whole saga was 9 films long...that too changed). Scripts change all the time (in the movie industry, these are called "rewrites"...remember that) and these can occur on a daily basis, all the time up to post production (that's when they add the f/x and the music, you know ?)So, in essence whatever you read, may well have been true at the time, but maybe that was then and this is now. I hope this has helped you, and if you need further guidance in the vagaries of film-making please don't hesitate to get in touch, and try not to be so anally retentive, you'll bust a gut ! -
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The "Wow" may become "Whoa" should Ep.II live up to expectations, setting the stage for what will indeed be a dark tale in Ep. III. Incidently Harry, could we please have a link to the script?____________________
Any hardcore SW fans and all fans able to respond, major geek going into uber shock over his need to read the Ep II script. Please email the link to gopaphant@yahoo.com, if possible. Thank you. -
I don't know if this is legit: http://viaserver.bioe.pitt.edu/ftp/Robs_Stuff/swe2/index.html. BTW the M/U abbreviation on the photo looked alot like NYU at first glance :)
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Here's what we can do to end this tireless debate. Harry will always post fake shit like this, as will Drudge over at his site. Why? Becasue it keeps peole talking, which is the point. I'm fairly certain that the AICN staff know a fake when they see one. But look at the time spent arguing about it, look at the countless pop up ad revenues generated by this "fake" picture. Let's face the facts, Aint It Cool isn't a "news" site. "News" implies a journalistic standard of fact checking that Aint It Cool has never adhered to. They are not constrained by standard journalistic ethics or integrity, which is why they can post stories like this, then after they are discovered to be fake, they never post a retraction. It's akin to the tabloid that runs the fake stories on the front page then posts a retraction on page 39. Maybe that's why the site addy was abbreviated to www.aintitcool.com. No "news" in the title anymore, which is a good thing. This is not "news", this is tabloid journalism. From the transformers pic to the Vivian Kubrick review of A.I. (my personal favorite), to the hacked oscar debacle... If you want news, go somehere else, if you want sometimes-fact-based-but-mostly-bullshit stories, keep checkin in at Aint It Cool...
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But I too think this is a doctored photograph. The uniform blur makes it look like a filter on Photoshop was used to hide all the rough edges. And the only parts of Ewan's face that've been "made up" are his eyes and mouth--why? I mean, look at his cheeks! They're young and full, yet he's got sunken eyes and Alec Guiness's mouth and gray wiskers! Egad, Jedi age funky. Anyway, I find the basic idea here, that Obi Wan will age that much between E2 and E3, very interesting. I always thought the prequels needed to span more time than the classic trilogy. It'd be nice to think Obi Wan lived a little before he had to go into hiding too. Anyway, I wonder if this IS a test done by Lucasfilm, just not with Ewan in a make-up chair but with photos. It's an interesting approach to find out how much make up will be needed. I'd advise everyone study that awful Jennifer Connely make-up at the end of A Beautiful Mind to know how NOT to age someone.
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And geesh, talk about anal talkbacks!
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Shhh. Nobody tell ILM that they can save money, get better quality, AND still have an instant picture by using... a digital camera. How ironic that Uncle George can digitize an entire movie but not give his production people a few digital cameras...
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Take a look at this picture. Look familiar to anyone?
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Film/3518/fstts0069.jpg
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Ok, I have a question for all of the people stating that this image is a fake. If it is a combination of McGregor and Alec, then where did that nose come from? Well, I think I can answer that myself. You see, I have done a bit of professional make up in my time and what I am seeing there is a prosthetic. Right down to the swollen sinuses. Take a look at the left eye. Everyone is stating that it is looking a different direction. I don't think it is. I think it is a contact. You can even see the line that is the edge of the contact on the eyeball. Now if you all want to continue to insist that it is a fake and not listen to reason, that is fine. Go ahead. I for one realized many years ago, and yes I do think that I am older than most of you here, that those that scream loudest are least educated. So, if you want to continue to scream fake, go ahead. I get a big laugh out of it every time you do. I also seem to remember just as many people, probably each and every one of you, insisting that Harry never saw EP2 in that hotel room. It is common knowledge now that he did and it was approved by Lucas. Like I said, those that scream loudest tend to be the least educated about the topic that they are screaming about.
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Apr 08, 2002 11:44:01 AM CDT
Yeah, That's Gotta Be An Official Lucasfilm Poloroid...
by nocureforfools
there is no way on heaven and earth that some deeply obsessed fanboy could do that in photoshop. there is just no way. wow! oh, hey, btw, if you believe that is real, i have a really fantastic bridge to sell you! it's called the Brooklyn Bridge and it's located in New York! now, as you know, real estate in New York is real expensive (even post 9/11, nobody can afford to live there), but because you are so shrewd and cunning, i'll give it you for a mere $2,000! whattaya say? do we have a deal? and how about this: for an extra $500, i'll through in the completed script and rough cut of episode 3! (yes, of course it's already done! Lucas has had the whole saga planned out in his mind since like 1973!) hey, you better act fast because there's a whole lot of sucke..uh, i mean, serious film journalists and fans who are dying for their own suspension bridge, episode 3 script and rough cut. all for only $2,500! whatta steal!
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Apr 08, 2002 11:46:10 AM CDT
Yeah, That's Gotta Be An Official Lucasfilm Poloroid...
by nocureforfools
there is no way on heaven and earth that some deeply obsessed fanboy could do that in photoshop. there is just no way. wow! oh, hey, btw, if you believe that is real, i have a really fantastic bridge to sell you! it's called the Brooklyn Bridge and it's located in New York! now, as you know, real estate in New York is real expensive (even post 9/11, nobody can afford to live there), but because you are so shrewd and cunning, i'll give it you for a mere $2,000! whattaya say? do we have a deal? and how about this: for an extra $500, i'll through in the completed script and rough cut of episode 3! (yes, of course it's already done! Lucas has had the whole saga planned out in his mind since like 1973!) hey, you better act fast because there's a whole lot of sucke..uh, i mean, serious film journalists and fans who are dying for their own suspension bridge, episode 3 script and rough cut. all for only $2,500! whatta steal!
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Ok, you have convinced me. The image was faked. Thank you for doing the research and finding that image. I, and I am sure many others as well, have carefully studied the two side by side and have to agree. I find it fascinating that it does look so much like the prosthetics I have used.
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http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Film/3518/fstts0069.jpg
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Way to do some research. Now people can shut up about the fake, cause it IS fake. You can easily see the PSing if you have the real photo next to the fake.
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I remember readin awhile ago its 10 years between Episode I and II, but only 2 years between II and III. If so, shouldnt obi wan not have aged THAT much? I mean sure your partner slaughtering all ur friends and turning into an evil megalomaniacal cyborg on ya will give ya a few greys and wrinkles...but that photos a lil much. Im gonna have to vote fake here.
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Look at the picture. One quick glance should let you know it's faker than the Hitler Diaries.
Apparently some of you need more proof than what you can actually see, I guess you need it spelled out for you. Well, here ya go - 1: HIS EYES ARE LOOKING IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. As far as I know, Ewan MacGregor doesn't seem to have this problem in real life. 2: HIS NOSE IS MORE WORKED OVER THAN A JACKSON'S. I didn't know Mr. MacGregor's nose was such a perfect triangle. 3: NO UPPER LIP. Is Ewan a muppet?? 4: The pictures in the background are way to focused to be actually in the background. And isn't it convenient that they have great pictures of Sir Alec Guinness right there for us to compare with?
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Hello, I work for the make up department of Lucasfilm and I for one can tell you that this image is genuine. The techniques we used for these make up tests are groundbreaking in terms of the durabililty and the authentic appearence of the materials used. Firstly we took our actor (Mr McGregor), and tear gassed him to within an inch of his life. This was to give the effect of aging, and the appearance of what is known as 'bogging eyes', upon the ocular area. we then attached the ass of a dead skunk (called a Skoonk in EP3) to Mr McGregors chin with spit, which Obi Wan will gain as a reward for defeating loads and loads of clones in EP2. The final make up effect is to the nose. area, yes I know from the photo it does'nt really look like we've actually done anything to the nose, but I assure you there is some minor nasal tinkering. The process for this effect was acheived with a massive lump of what is known in the trade as Plastecene. We hurled the lump from across the room, straight into the face of Mr Mcregor, who then playfully delivered a line from Ep4, " I will becub bor bowerful dan you can bossibly imagid". So there you have it, you can rest assured that the next episode in the series will be an exciting addition to the Star Wars saga.
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beyond fake pic
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I have admited to being wrong, so I am not trying to say that the picture isn't fake. But I would like to point something out to some that are using eyes and nose to prove that it is a fake. If you look at the original image before it was faked you will see that yes, Ewan's eyes are pointing in two different directions (in all honesty, the dude looks stoned) and his nose is that much of a triangle. So, try to use other things to prove that it is a fake. Like, say the image that has been posted that proves it. Makes more sense to me. My hat's off to the two that posted that image. They did what no one else had the brains to do, they went out and found proof instead of simply claiming that they knew more than everone else. It is refreshing to find that kind of maturity in a Talk Back.
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Ewan + Alex = This crappy photo. Here's the math problem illustrated: http://www.notablog.com/images/realewan.jpg
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Harry is so excited by the *idea* of new Star Wars that he is completely incapable of critical thought.
Only someone who desperately *wants* this picture to be real can delude himself into thinking it is. Similarly, someone who desperately needed Ep I to be good would give it the glowing review Harry gave it, only to regret those acolades later.
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Look I'm sorry but that picture looks fake to me and Harry you should know it's fake so obviously this is a April Fools joke you are pulling off on us. If not then maybe I'm wrong but I seriously believe that is a touched up picture of him from something else. Anyway, again I think it's a April Fools joke in my opinion.
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Apr 08, 2002 2:25:38 PM CDT
THE END TO THIS DEBATE http://www.notablog.com/images/realewan.j
by devilish-d
http://www.notablog.com/images/realewan.jpg
put that in your pipes you professional shit heads, real photographers my ass, read the link, and find yourself a new profession. -
Fake or not, hell, I don't know...but if you look at the title of the story, it reads "what Obi Wan COULD look like"....not "DOES look like". There you have it. Damn...I should've spotted that sooner !
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YAY! top class stuff. I wrote the first kinda in depth post as to why this thing was fake. And then afterwards there were a few people that claimed to be pros at the graphics game. And I doubted my own knowledge because of their seemingly more respectable opinions. but with that picture online now, I'm happy to see that it is fake!
It even has a green background like I mentioned on the edges of his hair!
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YAY! top class stuff. I wrote the first kinda in depth post as to why this thing was fake. And then afterwards there were a few people that claimed to be pros at the graphics game. And I doubted my own knowledge because of their seemingly more respectable opinions. but with that picture online now, I'm happy to see that it is fake! It even has a green background like I mentioned on the edges of his hair! Sorry to post like this, but it was my first time and I feel chuffed :)
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Apr 08, 2002 2:47:15 PM CDT
And you know what's really funny? his eyes really are pointi
by devilish-d
kudos to everyone who was intelligent enough to see this was fake outright.
I love it when the few people who think there somehow better and smarter than everybody else get proven wrong.
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It's obvious the beard, and white strip that runs right next to the beard, has been pulled directly from the photo of Sir Alec that appears behind and to the right of Ewan. Look close. It's the same beard, and the same white strap that's in the picture. It's a fake, no question.
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An admirable but poor attempt. Four years as a Multimedia Major, Sitting in front of a computer all day will tell you what's real. And this "Ain't." 1)the black border around the pic 2) the airbrushed schnoze of Obi 3)the texture of the polaroid compared to the texture of the photoshop (creamy) center. Aren't polaroids supposed to be shiny? At least that's what I've got from scanning them in. Booo Hisss... the person who did this should be forced to wear flannel for the rest of his/her/it's life.
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does any else think that this pic looks like an ancient errol flynn who's been at the 'just for men', and the crack!!!!
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I know everything. I go to college... I will have a degree... so... I know everything.
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So it's a fake then? Well of course it is, kudos to the man who found the image... I thought it would take longer. I'm glad you had such a good time bitching about it, that's what it's really all about... after all, if you had nothing like this to voice your opinions (and aparent authority), aicn would be a much quieter place. So, what's wrong with Harry being excited about EpIII and posting the picture in hast? Even if he did suspect it was fake - look at his posting headline, it's suitably ambiguous, after all - this is what Obi Wan 'could' look like in Episode III (I was thinking along the lines of an epilog). As for all the technical stuff - fine, I'll try and do better next time. I'm not the world's best photoshop artist, I'm the first to admit, but somehow I have managed to light up the Net with a few dittys in the past few years (two EpII teaser posters - you remember, the one that looked like a Drew S poster and the clone helmet made from many clones teaser a few months back...), not to mention the Spider-man teaser this time last year. Essentially, it's just a laugh, and anyone who disagrees is taking his recreational interests waaaaaay too seriously! Until next time.
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Maybe this is irrefutable proof of this photos fakery: the image actually extends OUTSIDE the image area of the polaroid shell.
Check out the bottom of the image area... the photo actually bleeds off of the emulsion, beyond the (obviously added) black border. It's really obvious if you zoom in on it.
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OK - here it is: The picture's a fake. you want proof? I've posted a two-layer Paint Shop Pro .psp file at http://mattnicholson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk.
The first layer is the original pic. The second layer is Sir Alec's eye, cut from the b&w photo to the left, rotated slightly and pasted over Ewan's face.
Open the image in PSP & try fading the second layer in & out.
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... i can't believe that some of you guys fell for that!!
Well done Harry, you've fooled some so called "photoshop expert" and "make up artist".
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Apr 08, 2002 4:09:06 PM CDT
and just like i said, without a hint of retraction we are change
by bearison ford
typical Harry Knowles. this guy got a BOOK DEAL, dudes!
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Y'know, I really wish I'd read the second half of this talkback before doing that...
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Apr 08, 2002 4:20:16 PM CDT
just fucking get Kenneth Branagh to grow a beard and cast him as
by spacesheik
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Even if it was fake, that is some impressive Photoshop work, you have to admit.
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Apr 08, 2002 5:11:43 PM CDT
HA HA! HARRY RE-WROTE "WHAT EWAN WILL LOOK LIKE" TO "WHAT EWAN C
by 81666
mr. bean is right take a look at
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Film/3518/fstts0069.jpg
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To all those wishfull thinking Photoshop Experts, Take a looka t this page on www.theforce.net
http://www.notablog.com/images/realewan.jpg
I've been using photoshop in the effects industry for 7 years and could replicate this forgery in less than 10 minutes. It's afake. But then Rick Baker uses Photoshop to produce concepts for makeups all the time. SO it could be a genuine CONCEPT, but then why make it look like a Polaroid?
It's a fake.
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No shit it is fake. But Harry said could. Maybe someone at ILM was fucking around with photoshop. Why jump on Harry when he clearly states this is what he COULD look like. you dumb fucks.
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Apr 08, 2002 7:16:14 PM CDT
Well, JMYoda, all I can say is "your faith in your friends is yo
by barrelrider
...although I'll give you the benefit of the doubt over one thing: I think you may have misunderstood what I said about leaping forward in time at the end. I would have no objection to Ep III being set any number of years after Ep II, but the likelihood of there being a flash forward **within** a SW movie is so remote it's not even worth discussing. As for your comments about TPM, I don't think they really hold water as an argument; I think TPM was just as Star Wars-ish as I expected it to be, because I didn't go in expecting to see an exact replication of three other movies made more than a decade previously, as some people apparently did. It was obviously going to be showing us elements of the Star Wars universe which were new, different to what we'd seen before. Bt it never left the ball park, with ONE exception IMHO- of course, I'm referring to Jar-Jar's awful dialogue, which I'm afraid we don't entirely escape in Ep II [although Lucas has chosen to directly address issues concerning Jar-Jar's speech]. But I've never really understood this deep malice towards the 2-headed commentator: if you have a problem with that, do you have a problem with the race itself? After all, there weren't any races in the OT, were there, Master? But, in fact, like most people, you probably thought that the pod race was one of the best scenes in TPM. As for Jar-Jar's actual behaviour - you need to go and watch Ep VI again, buddy, because Jar-Jar's behaviour is so similar to that of the ewoks, that they included the in-joke of J-J getting wrapped up in his slingshot, JUST like Wicket does in ROTJ. You're not the only person I've been having this kind of conversation with, though, I must admit: my friend says TPM ruined it for him because for him part of the appeal was "men in suits" [his description of Stormtroopers], and he found the CG battle droids a disappointing thing to behold, relative to Stormtroopers. I tried to explain to him: "But that's the point! This trilogy is supposed to show us how we ARRIVED at the situation we see at the beginning of ANH! So unfortunately, if you're determined to cling to the OT [an abbreviation which will become increasingly pointless as time progresses], the prequels were always gonna be a disappointment, so maybe you shouldn't bother with them. I, on the other hand, am loving every minute of this countdown to AOTC. Pity I've read just about every spoiler about it that there is going though. A quick word about the script: I think it's 80-90% of what we'll see, and as such, it's the best indicator out there. I like it, for the most part. There'll be plenty of slightly dragging dialogue, just like TPM, but not as much. But I guarantee, there will be a hell of a lot of detractors also, but a lot will be the same people shouting after TPM. And as I've explained, there just caught in a sort of hate spiral which they won't really be able to work out until they see Ep III and finally get a sight of big bad Darth, an emblem from the OT with which they can identify, and then they'll breath a big sigh of relief
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Apr 08, 2002 7:23:22 PM CDT
This is why Harry is so smart. All of you dumb fucks bitch and
by 14byit
If you fucks hated it this much than you would never return to this site. He knows how to play you assholes and keep you coming back for more. GOOD JOB Harry!!!
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Apr 08, 2002 7:37:13 PM CDT
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Film/3518/fstts0069.jpg = GA
by tall_boy
fake. first instinct was photoshop but the ever hopeful geek in me thought it wasn't. Anyway, ya, that geocities pic is proof. And Harry DID change the name of the story to "COULD". Anyway, next...
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yeah, "good job harry"? good job for what? posting yet another fake scoop and yet again damaging his *ahem* "cred"? what exactly are you supporting here? coming to this site to read bullshit scoops? yeah, hooray, GO HARRY.
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Apr 08, 2002 8:20:21 PM CDT
This is gonna make "House Party" look like "House Party 2"!!
by manosthof
Alas, the Adobe Mind Trick failed. But..... "there.... is.... a-nother......."
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the previous posts look as if they made those "fake" comments without paying attention it's a loophole you guys who are calling us assholes for saying it was fake, notice how many people pointed out the loophole in harry's speech from **will** to **could** .. understand that 14byit - 81666
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That's not Ewan, it's Ted. Ted Raimi. He-he. Does look like 'im. Don't it?
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They haven't even started pre-production, have they? Even for mega complicated make-up testing doesn't start this early. That's why I think this is fake. Also, sorry but Hayden Christensen (spelling?) looks like he belongs in N'Sync. I have nothing against the band, I just wish Anakin didn't have to be blonde and pretty. Joaquin Pheonix? Wes Bentley? That's the ticket.
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Check this forum out. Someone posted the two pics used to composite this Fake.
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Apr 08, 2002 10:10:10 PM CDT
If you think that looks good, I've got some pictures of Brit
by jack's_brain
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In response to slobro and bearison ord. Harry rocks cause he still draws all the haters back to his sight. Why do people feel the need to comment that dark horizons and other sites broke a story earlier and that Harry is just slipping? To point out the fact that they are still coming to a place that they detest? Harry ropes in fanboys (myself included) from all over. Everybody is getting upset that Harry posted a fake, well then stop coming here. But you can't. He pulls you in and you never get out of his grip. Remember when Harry posted the interview with the Coen Bro.'s editor? And everybody got on his ass about how Harry is slipping and must not be for real cause we all know that they edit their movies. Well for a man so "stupid" why do we keep coming back? If he has slipped that much why is this site still here? Sure Harry loves movies, but let's not forget, he makes money from this site. And he keeps bringing back the haters and he keeps making money.
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Apr 08, 2002 10:59:55 PM CDT
EPISODE 2 GRAPHIC NOVEL SCANS HERE-> http://www.cinescape.com/24
by darthpsychotic
SPOILERS: Cinescape and TBone score a great Episode 2 scoop courtesy of a "General Logan". There are huge spoilers here, so be mindful, hehe.
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hee hee - oh, and see, it's fake.
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How much Ewan looks like Alec Guiness in that photo very scary.....
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..you know, for a bunch of so-called STAR WARS fans, it's amazing how so many of you miss this aspect of the anakin character. HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD LOOKING. He's not suppossed to LOOK evil or ACT evil. Anakin is the embodiment of physical and emotional beauty, sort of like an angel named LUCIFER. And like Lucifer, Anakin will turn to the dark side and lose his inner and outer beauty. See the paralells, class? It will make his turn toward darkness that much more painful to watch. Lucas himself has said so several times. What makes a child turn into a killer? What makes Anakin turn from a good-hearted young man into the most feared person in the galaxy? That's the answer the prequels will provide. What good would it do to make Anakin a bad ass off the bat? It would be too simple and not as effective. Lucas recognized this right away. How can you call yourseLVES STAR WARS fanS and not pick up on this iS beyond me. Any replys are welcome. As usual, my opinion is the truth.
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I mean do you think think we are only gonna see Anakin in his early 20's? My belief is George is gonna show quite large passing of time in Episode 3. I think it will start at only a few years after AOTC and will end a few years before A New Hope. So we will probably see how Bad Anakin/Vader becomes over the years! Which I think George HAS to do - It will be SO COOL seeing these 2 old friends having a showdown before and after Anakin get's the Vader mask, don't you think?!! He has to show Obi-Wan trying to bring his friend and former padawan back from the dark side more than just once! I say it's Photoshop - but who did it? Any case it has opened a can of worms! Episode 3 is gonna ROCK regardless of this being fake or not!
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Hello, fellow bespectacled geeks, Larry King here! We're talking about things in the upcoming film, Star Wars Episode III, because it's never too early...just like it's never too early to start taking Garlique, as in unique!...Cholesterol's natural enemy...Is it me, or is that Katie Holmes GQ cover shot a picture of perfect spankability?...I say let Kevin Costner manager the Tigers...talk about full circle...my locks for Episode III?...a knocked-up but still luscious Natalie Portman...the big screen return of Olympian Shot Put gold medalist, Chewbacca!...fix up the hyperdrive, because it's none other than the Millenium Falcon!...If Gabriel Byrne passes on Grand Moff Tarkin, I want Ted Danson!...the fix is in...Mace is the Benedict Jedi!...Tom Arnold would make a great Gungan...I won't be able to rest easy until I know just what's going on inside the mind of a Mon Calamari...the time span of Episode III? Somewhere between Passover and the length of the NBA playoffs...don't look now, but Jerry Stackhouse is force-pushing his way to league MVP!...if one person in the galaxy could find bin Laden, I'd put my money on Senator Palpatine...I see Michael Richards, and I think "Sith Lord"...Ian McKellan as Count Dooku will finally bring home the Oscar in 2005!...am I the only one who spells "Mon Mothma" D-e-n-i-s-e R-i-c-h-a-r-d?...between Neo and Anakin, I'll take William Shatner by an implanted hair, but I'll go with the good ol' Captain, everytime...until next time, enjoy the real "Attack of the Clones", the Olsen Twins!!....
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I can't believe people are still picking holes in the thing! Er, someone found the photo of origin and, well, I owned up to doing it! Does anyone read the whole thread?!
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I know why Anakin HAS to be pretty, Joey Stylez. I said "I just wish Anakin didn't have to be blonde and pretty". I was acknowledging that he had to be. I get the symbolism and the necessity, I do. However it still annoys me. I hate to bring up LOTR... but I will (sorry). I mean, didn't it rock that the 'worrior men' (Aragorn and Boromir) looked like men who were tough, experienced and not from N'Sync? It made it so believable and credible. I'm just saying I don't think having some pin-up Canadian as the hero is going to do it for me. I'm prepared to be wrong, I could be wrong. I could walk out going "Hayden was great, I take it all back". All I ment was that it would be cool wih a Joaquin or Wes in there, because I like them, they're...grittier. Argue, but DON'T PATRONISE.
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They should make Episode 3 be like Leone's Once Upon A Time In America (BTW, you can get this flick on DVD in Brazil, but not in USA! Go to E-Bay and get one!) It would be SOOOOO cool with a flashback structure and the cronology all mixed up! It could be really awesome! But George is a cookie-cutter filmmaker. He has lost his SACK. He is a commercialy led bum. A hack, if you will. Will I be there on May 16th? HELL YEAH!
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I never thought your head could get fatter than your body, but you take a photo of Ewan, alter it yourself and say it is an Episode III makeup session.
Get a friggin life and buy some Stacker 2.
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You may not know this or not, but Lucas actually brought Beetlejuice from the Howard Stern show in to test for Anakin. He didn't care that he is hovering around four feet tall and black. He was all set to give him the role, even if he was on eye level with Yoda. He was going to cast Hank the Dwarf (R.I.P.) as Count Drinku,...but Beet couldn't deliver the line "Excuse me, I'm in charge of security here, m'lady." His version was something like "Who, ME?? I a charger like seven times, dude. I bang dat ass an' I gets Hank an' I beat the shit outta him, dude. He betta not talk 'bout my motha, or I'm'a smart 'im up a li'l bit." And sadly, if that golden dialogue was to be so twisted and maimed, then what was the point of the films, Lucas wondered. The action? The lightsabers? The score? No, the videogame cutscene dialogue and the kiddie humor. That's where the myth was born. Tragic, I know....
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Ok. The picture is fake. At a quick glance, it can fool you, but give it a good look over and some things will look fishy. BIG DEAL. So many of you jumped at the fact that you've used photoshop before and all of a sudden you become photoshop wizards. You make yourselves look so cool when you say "That is so obviously a fake and that's the WORST photoshop job I've EVER seen! I can do better in paint!"...I'm sure some of you are very talented, but give credit where credit is due. And if you say you can do better, go for it....lets see what you can do. Go ahead. If that is obviously such a horrible PS job, then no doubt you could whip up a better version in no time. Now, I'm just trying to make a point...to say the picture is fake and to point out why you say it's fake is one thing...to say it's the worst piece of crap you've ever seen makes you look like an arrogant fool looking to call attention to yourself.
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Apr 09, 2002 5:13:29 PM CDT
still wondering why harry hasn't explained this "scoop" in t
by bearison ford
tick tock.
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Just bad, really bad.
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Apr 09, 2002 6:57:14 PM CDT
Some numbnut Ewan look-alike has a little fun with a camera and
by arcturus
Heh heh heh
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Fake? So what...the whole damn Star Wars Universe is fake....a figment of someone's imagination...With all the Computer rendering, even in the first films, how can any reasoning human being draw a line as to what fakery is accepted and what fakery isn't? Most of you think The Millenium Falcon was a real Space Ship that was borrowed to shoot the film? The big picture is this: let's just have an entertaining film. That's the point. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone that has more energy to think deeper than that needs a lot of counseling before we can welcome you back to the fold called humanity.
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In case you folks missed it. http://www.notablog.com/images/realewan.jpg
However while I coincide the point that it is a fake I will say it is still a well-done fake and NOT the piece of crap you people claim it to be. As I said before if you wannabe Photoshop "Experts" think you can do better, do it and prove it. As for Harry, yes ideally he would check out his sources, sit on things awhile (please no fat Harry jokes) and only post something when he's pretty damn sure it's real. But the thing is the big guy is a super excitable uber-geek. He sees something ultra-cool he wants to share it and while it may not making him a very good journalist I give the man credit for having the cajones not to worry that there's a good chance it'll blow up in his face. Not to mention if you hate Harry so much why come to this site he created thus giving him more power? Sure he's complete unreliable as a serious critic and yes he definetly has an ego bigger then the 2002 Tax Code but he still created a sight that gives die-hard film geeks and voice (for better or for worse) so give the dude a break, or leave. -
Actually a "race" is not new to Star Wars. ANH was originally going to have a T-16 race at the beginning. Not to mention the asteroid chase in 'Empire' as well as the speeder bike chase in 'Jedi' are both races of a sort. I really don't love the podrace nor hate it. Technically the podrace is VERY impressive but it's a lap or two over-long and is marred by the two-headed announcer, Ben Quadronaros and other Pixar-reject cartoon freaks. I have a major problem with Ben Q. and the two-headed announcer because they don't seem the least bit real. They are cartoon characters. Ben Q. looks like a reject from A Bug's Life (compare his facial expressions to the caterpillar in Bug's Life) and the two-headed announcer is just as cartoonish. In comparison Watto and Sebulba come across as living, breathing aliens that seem to fit in the SW universe so it's not like I have a problem with CGI characters. Jar Jar is a mixed bag, his annoying speech patterns aside quite often he looks real and looks like a part of the environment while other times he looks like a cartoon. His flip into the water on Naboo and his juggling act in Watto's shop don't look the least bit real. Neither does the entire Droid/Battle which would have been great for a animated Disney/Pixar or PDI/Dreamworks-style 3D toon but was terrible for what is suppose to be a live-action movie. Back to the announcer, another reason he is very annoying is his ESPN-style basic-speaking voice. "I don't care what universe, that's got to hurt!" is just as embarrassing as Chewie's stupid Tarzan yell in 'Jedi'. Speaking of 'Jedi' you mention the Ewok's in comparison to Jar Jar and the other silly things in TPM. The fact is the Ewok's have above 1/4 the screen time as Jar Jar (if that) and while they do have some silly antics they never distract from the important elements the way Jar Jar did. Also while Wicket can do silly things it makes sense since he is adolescent Ewok, not an adult. Yes Paploo steals the Speeder Bike and while a bit silly, it never seems unreal or cartoonish. He's doing it outer of bravery and it is genuinely funny. Also the Ewoks have it all over the Gungans because they have a darker side. First off they are very tough warriors. They manage to give Emperor Palpatine's best legion of Stormies a serious ass-whoopin' while the Gungans couldn't even defeat battle droids that blow up if you sneeze on them. Also people seem to miss while the Ewoks look cute they're not only fierce warriors they also EAT HUMANS. If you can recall they were going to roast Luke and Han for a feast. Kind of makes ya wonder what really happened to those capture stormies... As for expecting TPM to be like the Holy Trilogy. Not really, I expected it to open the Star Wars universe up. However I didn't expect cartoon characters, I didn't expect the films central Jedi Master to die pretty much for no reason then to set up a sequel, I didn't expect Anakin to blow up a ship by accidentally therefore killing any of the drama and excitement, I didn't expect the actors to sleep-walk through there roles (except for Liam and Ian) and never display a real sense of friendship. I didn't expect the dialogue to be on par with your average Power Ranger's episode. The odd part is Lucas mirrored ANH (young hero from Tatooine, Jedi Master who dies, Hero blows up big ship) while leaving out the dramatic tension, heroism, character-based humor and sense of friendship that make ANH such a great film. My main worries right now for AOTC is the dialogue and acting. It's hard for young actors to give solid performances when Lucas strands them in a sea of blue or green. Lucas just IMO has gotten lazy. Instead of doing as much as he can with real locations and sets like in the original trilogy he seems to want to do everything with CGI. The downside is the actors get bored and they have a tendency to look like they're pasted in. There is no reason why a good portion of the Arena battle couldn't have been shot in death valley with the main actors, some Jedi actors and about 20-30 REAL COSTUMED clone troopers (not CGI)which could have been duplicated with the Harry system while the rest could have been filled in with CGI. When you mix a real environment with special effects it makes the effects look more real because the artists have to try and match the real location as closely as possible. That is why the Hoth Battle looks so real in 'Empire' since the live-action was shot in Norway and the miniature set had to match that location. Lucas use to understand this just as he knew that the effects should never overshadow the story and characters but alas I fear the old George of old may be gone for good. May 16 will tell the tale.
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heh that's funny. is it real or fake? the pic says test on the bottom so what we are seeing here is probably one of dozens of makeup looksthey are playing around with. i have seen a few behind the scenes stuff where the makeup artist go through 'rough drafts' to get the look that will be approved. so someone was probably just playing around with makeup or a CGI program
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OK, it's taken me a little while to read your whole post and decide what my opinions are, and I'm also at work so I may not be able to give as full a response as I would have wished, but anyway...I'll start by saying which stuff you wrote I strongly agree with. The CG Droid battle is [mostly] very poor, and in the context of the OT, it's a bit of an embarrassment in SW terms, I can't deny that. I'll be completely honest: I'm not entirely sure who Ben Q is, but I've a vague recollection of the announcer calling out his name, so I'll assume he was another pod racer, maybe the one whose pod doesn't start. I guess the CG wasn't brilliant for this character, but it wasn't so bad that it left an imprint on my brain. I will agree with you, though, that Sebulba and Watto did seem to fit in with the SW a little better, but I think there are a couple of reasons for this: firstly, they have vastly larger roles than the racers, in fact they both have roles which are quite important to the movement of the film's narrative, so they certainly should be more developed - imagine if good ol' two heads owned Anakin/ what a nightmare that would be? "I don't care what universe you're from, slave, you're ass is gonna hurt when I'm done paddling it!" NB: you correctly point out that the announcer is "just as embarrassing as Chewie's stupid Tarzan yell in Jedi", with which I completely agree, but isn't your argument based on the fact that the prequels are crap in ways which the OT is not? Although kudos to you for the observations about the Ewoks being darker - -"what really happened to those captured stormies", that put a smile on my face 'cos I can see that, like me, you don't take this stuff TOO seriously...Other things I agree with; Anakin's "accidental" victory does seem a little pointless; green/blue screens DO make life hard, especially for relatively inexperienced actors...okay, that's where the agreements end. I'll have to quickly with my disagreements: I've heard soooo many people [many of them good friends] say exactly what you did - "Lucas...has gotten lazy" The CG stuff is not done out of laziness. Believe it or not, it's done out of vision. Lucas IS a visionary, and just as in 1977 he sought to make films the likes of which had never been seen before, he's looking to do the same again with the prequels. This is gonna mean thing s which work and things which don't, that's something you have to deal with when you're trying to break new ground. Go back to the cantina scene in Ep IV and tell me all the characters in that scene look faultlessly real. You'll surely have to agree that some of those costumes are laughably bad, but it doesn't bother me because they were using the materials they had as best they could, and we were willing to suspend disbelief. Also: remember that as soon as Lucas saw the first use of digital in a movie [Tron] he immediately asked if he could get the effects guys who did it to work on ep VI, which they did. [you probably know, they did the CG map of Endor/the Death Star etc]; what this proves to me is that Lucas was ALWAYS hankering for a way to break free from the massive constraints of model work, it's just a happy coincidence that he began with ANH in the seventies. If he were born 20 years later and was about to release ESB, do you honestly think it would be anything other than a CG extravaganza? NO WAY buddy. We're talking about the guy responsible for Dolby, for cryin' out loud! He's always been interested in digital! There's a lot more I'd like to say, but just don't have the time. But just as the OT showed people what you could [and couldn't] achieve with models, the prequels will show what can [and can't] be done with CGI
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I'm glad we agree on quite a few things. It's always refreshing since then I know I'm in a real discussion with a true fan rather then a petty argument with a fanboy which can be all too common on these boards and the 'Net in general. That said, I have no problem with CGI. In fact I love CGI, I myself have been studying it for a couple of years (although I'm still very amateur compared to some of my friends who do fantastic mind-blowing work.) I'm one of the people who fully embraced the technology from the get-go. However my problem with Lucas and why I call him lazy is not the amount of CGI he uses or the way he has pushed the technology to the bleeding edge. I applaud him for that. (Look at A. I. or Fellowship of the Ring. Those films could not have been made without the advancements Lucas and ILM wrought with TPM.) So what I'm getting at is my problem is not with CGI. It's great that the technology is there so Lucas can realize things that where impossible twenty years ago. (i.e. Coruscant) My problem is when he uses CGI when it is not needed or the effect could be realized BETTER via other means. When he did the Hoth Battle for 'Empire' he could have easily filmed it on a set with fake snow but he knew using as much real environment as possible would ground the film in reality and make it more believable. Also the more real environments, real sets and real creatures whether they be costumed extras or puppets, the more the actors will be sucked into the imaginary world of the film. You talk about how twenty-two years ago had the technology been there 'Empire' would have been a CGI extravaganza. However I don't think it would have been the great film it is. Had Mark been in front of a blue screen talking to a CGI Yoda that wasn't there his performance would have suffered greatly. Both Mark and Kersh have often said they approached working with Yoda as working with a great little actor instead of a hand puppet. I remember when I first saw the making-of Jurassic Park I couldn't figure out why they didn't do all the dinosaurs 100% digital but when they talked to the actors who talked about how great it was to work with the animatronic dinos and how that helped them respond and react I realized it was for the actor's sake to give them something real they could work off of. Had CGI been around when E. T. was first made and Spielberg did him 100% CGI (like in the new SE) I can't see the actors giving the rich performances they did without having the realistic E. T. puppet live on the set. Ewan McGregor has many times complained how he thought the prequels would be done on full size sets like the original trilogy and how frustrating it is to stand all day stranded in front of a blue screen. While classically trained old-school actors like Liam Neeson, Ian McDiarmid and Christopher Lee have no problem with that sort of play-acting scenario it's very tough for younger actors who've only done movies to adapt. Natalie Portman who has been wonderful in every other movie she's ever done seemed to sleepwalk through TPM and from the trailers I fear her performance in AOTC won't fair much better. So I guess my main point is the reason I call Lucas lazy has nothing to do with him utilizing the latest technology and everything to do with substituting it for the live sets and real locations that would A) Make the effects look more real (since the artist have to match the real sets and locals) and B) Give the actors a sense of "being there" which will enliven and enrich their performances. I don't question Lucas' impact on the development of film technology. I just think he is so obsessed with the technology he doesn't stop to see what will best serve the film. As a technological exercise TPM was groundbreaking beyond belief but for the most part it fell flat as a film. First because he let the technology overshadow and overcome his story-writing and directing abilities and his actors. Second because he's now decided Star Wars are exclusively kids movies, something he only decided while making ROJ. That is when he started to take the film less seriously and add more cutesy elements. It's also why ROJ is a step below ANH and ESB. Thankfully things like the brilliant space battle, the speeder chase and Luke/Vader/Palpy confrontation make it still a great film. I'm hoping AOTC has enough high points and a strong enough story to overshadow the weaker elements the way 'Jedi' did and TPM did not. Although I never said TPM was a bad film, it's ok and at times a lot of fun but it is very weak compared to the OT, including Jedi. I hope this will be the case with AOTC. At least Williams brilliant score (which I am listening to as a type this) is an encouraging sign.
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He just shot his load early, that's all. A analysis of brilliance/genius reveals that the best work is done early in life. By the time 40 years have rolled, most of the good ideas are gone. Everything else is derivitive. Very few people are Picaso; creating something new well into their middle age. Whether it is art, science, comedy, writing, you name it.....the best work always comes from these people early. Try eading the last two or three books of the Foundation "Trilogy" by Asimov and see if they stand up to the work he did in his twenties. Youngsters don't seem to understand. They think the raging hard-ons of adolesence will be there in their forties and fifties. They will learn. That's why Pfister created Viagra. No such drug for creativity is on the horizon..... I'm hoping for a great, or even good movie (even with wooden dialogue), but I'm not expecting anything better that the last hack piece that was TPM......
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Ok, well, uhhh, april 1st has come and gone, was this like sitting on your hd since then and thought it would be cool to post it late so you would be unique or something?? Come on, harry, if your going to post bogus articles at least let it be amusing ones like the Run Ronnie Run letters, those were fucking hillarious. What i think really happened was Harry got ahold of Photoshop 7 and thought he had some skillz.........well as the animated gif at the top left of the screen indicates, today, harry laid an egg!!!!
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ok mr smartguy graphics school guy. You happen to notice if you look at the all too perfect black line that goes around the image and seperates it from the poloroid backing?? notice how at the bottom the image is bleeding past it and onto the white outer coating...........hmmmmm, now is that really possible???? maybe you should start studying your perception skillz, oh btw b4 you think you are better than me, i already have a degree in computer graphic design and animation, and have my own production company. ;)
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Apr 12, 2002 7:34:02 AM CDT
Yoda- apologies for my delayed response; but you're right.
by barrelrider
..firstly let me say that I had to agree with practically everything you said in your response to me: ESB WOULD have been a much worse film had it been laiden with CGI, but unfortunately I can't escape the feeling that Lucas would have gone ahead and done it anyway. I think part of the problem is the apparent cost of hauling a large cast and crew to some exotic location. I heard Lucas visited Scorsese on the lavish set of Gangs of NY and said something like "Marty, people will never build sets this big again" which kind of shows his attitude to the whole thing. I still defend him because I think in the long term his instinct on CGI can only be proved right, but, as good as the technology is today, it needs about another 5-10 years before it can really become so good that we don't notice it. - In the Clone Wars trailer, the bit when Ewan is saying "his abilities have made him arrogant", the CGI in the background is appaling, as is the galactic senate.Can't chat too much at the moment unfortunately, but it's the weekend so later on I will be.
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