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AICN COMICS: BILL JEMAS vs. PETER DAVID!! THE MARVEL vs. CAPTAIN MARVEL!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

Why is it that guys in the comics world don't just disagree or argue? They feud. They war. And in this case, they compete in the most public manner possible. Both Bill Jemas and Peter David are men who have riled up fans and other professionals in the past, and now they're going head to head with the fate of a character at stake. Check this out:

Hi Gang. My favorite columnist and yours, Marvel President Bill Jemas recently entered the ongoing Peter David/Joe Quesada debate on what to do about the series, Captain Marvel. About a month ago, it looked like Captain Marvel, along with Black Panther and Spider-Girl, was getting canceled. Responding to fan support and a suggestion made by a fan in Bill's 'Don't Ask' Column, Marvel decided to increase the price of the books by 25 cents. While the Spider-Girl and Black Panther camps were relatively quiet about the decision, Peter David publicly criticized Marvel's decision to raise the price of the book. An online debate between David and Marvel Editor in Chief Joe Quesada ensued, holding the interest of comic book fans for several weeks until it was ultimately decided that none of the books would get an increase in price and they would still be spared from cancellation, at least for another year.

But we didn't get to hear what Bill Jemas thought about all of this until late last week. The Marvel President came up with a most democratic solution to the situation, as reported by Michael Sangiacomo of Newsarama….

The Marvel universe is a big place, but there's only enough room for one guy named "Marvel."

Marvel Comics President Bill Jemas could simply anger loyal fans and cancel Captain Marvel, a comic which sells poorly and replace it with his own new character The Marvel.

But where's the sport in that?

Instead, Jemas and Captain Marvel author Peter David will play Survivor.

Jemas will write six months worth of The Marvel which will go on sale beginning in September. That month Peter David, with some assistance from Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada, will release the first of the best half-dozen issues of Captain Marvel that he can write.

After six months, the comic that sold the most copies wins. The losing comic gets cancelled.

Is it a stunt?

Sure, but it's also an interesting way to settle a very public controversy.

Jemas has some strong ideas about what makes a comic successful and he said that David is not following those suggestions. Jemas' response is to do it himself. He believes if an untried writer like himself can score bigger numbers by following his suggestions, than David will have to admit there must be something to that approach.

"I have helped springboard some comics into being, like X-Force and Ultimate Spider-Man, but someone else did the writing and the scripting," Jemas said. "This will be the first time I have conceived of a series and did all the writing myself."

The battle began last month when Marvel announced plans to raise the price of Captain Marvel by 25 cents ($2.50 to $2.75 in Cap's case). Jemas said the logic was that the fans would pay the extra quarter and Marvel could continue to publish it.

"We thought it would make a certain number of people happy if we kept publishing the book," he said. "It would be a quarter more, big deal."

David was outraged. He publicly chastised his bosses for not supporting his comic with advertising. He said he would cut his own pay to make up the difference if Marvel would leave the price at $2.50.

"Everyone is missing the point," Jemas said. "Peter is a talented writer maybe two or three issues of the year, but the rest is just inside jokes for fans who have been reading his stuff for 20 years. He's just feeding off his old work. I feel that he needs to make his stories accessible to new readers or it's doomed."

To Get the Full Story on 'The Marvel' and the rest of Bill Jemas comments, you can find the original article, in its entirety: RIGHT HERE!!

Thanks again to Andrew of Gray Haven Magazine.com for the article.

"Moriarty" out.





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  • April 2, 2002, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Peter David vs Bill Jemas

    by liquidlen

    This whole thing has gotten out of hand...but I may have to pick up the comics and see what I think. Therefore, success.

  • April 2, 2002, 11:59 a.m. CST

    umm yeah

    by mstryoda

    captain marvel vs the marvel kinda like a lame b movie from the 50's

  • April 2, 2002, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Old News and Dirty Fascists

    by NexusKnight

    The Peter David/Joe Quesada "debate" is old news. Over the last few weeks, fans have been treated to an appalling display of wrestling-style bitch slapping that culminated in both men coming to their senses and resolving the situation like the gentlemen they once were. Then along comes Bill Jemas, whose persona is about as appealing as a bladder infection, stepping in and issuing this challenge. Peter David is certainly not the writer he once was, much in the same way that Joe Quesada is not the artist he once was, but to be treated in such a manner by a man (who to my knowledge) has done nothing of worth artistically is disgusting. Jemas seems bound and determined to create buzz and controversy where none is needed. He is a tumor lurking on the face of Marvel comics and probably needs to be cut away before it's too late.

  • April 2, 2002, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Isn't this just a popularity contest between Jemas and David

    by Chilli Kramer

    Since these titles are marginalised anyway, it's hardly likely that fanboys will buy them on quality of storyline, more on who they prefer, David or Jemas. Given the latter's reputation, my money's on David, but I wish the best book would win irrespective of writer.

  • April 2, 2002, 12:35 p.m. CST

    IT WAS ONE THING WHEN IT WAS A SO-CALLED "FIGHT"...NOW IT JUST S

    by Big Dumb Ape

    When you say "Is it a stunt? Sure, but it's an interesting way to settle a controversy" the thought that crosses my mind and hits my gut -- like Mulder exposing another conspiracy -- is that this whole Jemes' "Marvel" book versus David's "Marvel" book is the END STUNT they were planning all along. Suddenly I smell a rat and think the whole Quesada-David fight was simply a set-up prelude to this. Well orchestrated yes, but a lie and a set-up just the same. If I'm wrong, no harm done. If I'm right...well, it's just one more example of why Jemes is such a stain in the world of comics.

  • April 2, 2002, 12:41 p.m. CST

    ill buy THE MARVEL because jemas is cool

    by THE PROFESSOR

  • April 2, 2002, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Where's Peter David's role in this?

    by Kimota42

    Looks to me like the asshole who's been left to run the henhouse is using his power not to promote his own books in any positive way but rather to state in a public forum that a writer that he employs basically sucks. Jemas can go to hell.

  • April 2, 2002, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Marvel Shouldn't Even Have A Character Called CAPTAIN MARVEL

    by Buzz Maverik

    That was bullshit to begin with when we all know Captain Marvel has to be called SHAZAM when DC publishes it. It sucked that DC shut down Fawcett way back in the Dark Ages and it sucked when Marvel put out a character called Captain Marvel and it really sucked when Roy Thomas hooked Marvel's Captain Marvel to Rick Jones, thus creating an even greater rip off of CC Binder,etc. I have a solution. Marvel stops publishing any character called Captain Marvel (including that stupid woman Avenger: how the hell did she get to be an Avenger anyway? Thor, Iron Man, Captain America are the Avengers!)and DC hires Peter David to write the real CAPTAIN MARVEL. And they all give me money.

  • April 2, 2002, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Won't the interest factor alone, skew the results?

    by RenoNevada2000

    It's like having television cameras on hand to cover a "Spontaneous" demostration for the news. By publicizing their deal, they've already contaminated the data. That said, Jemas is a bit of an ass, but I think David has been a bit off his game recently too.

  • April 2, 2002, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Marvel President Bill Jemas Here With A Message For Our Stockhol

    by Buzz Maverik

    I've gotten many calls, cards and letters from concerned shareholders wondering why I continue to employ someone who writes three good issues of a comic book a year. Sadie Fenster of Fenster Ohio writes in : "Dear Schmuck, If a baker made three good pies a year, the bakery owner would fire his ass." Well, Sadie, Marvel isn't a bakery, it's a family! We act like a family...the Brady Bunch to be specific. The real reason that we didn't cancel CAPTAIN MARVEL is that we had a contest to see who could build the tallest house of cards and Peter beat the pants off Joe. So we had to keep publishing the damned thing. Now, you'd think as President, I'd be like the father of the family but nothing could be farther from the truth. I'm sort of an immature sibling to Peter's other immature sibling so when he said, "Do you think you could do better, wise ass", I said, "You bet I could, needle-dick." Thus, THE MARVEL was born."

  • April 2, 2002, 1:04 p.m. CST

    it's a ruse

    by rev_skarekroe

    Like that whole Sentry thing. It's a setup to try to get people to buy BOTH books. I rather doubt there's nearly as much animosity as their making out to have. Besides, there's only one REAL Captain Marvel. I think we all know that. It is of course, that comic book icon, the black chick with the afro. sk

  • April 2, 2002, 1:07 p.m. CST

    The Proposal For THE MARVEL by Market Resear--...Bill Jemas.

    by Buzz Maverik

    There's a new hero in Marvelopolis! He's a rebel, a bad boy with an edge AND an attitude! Cooler than Wolverine and colder than the Punisher! He wears black leather and has the kind of tattoos our readers Moms won't let them get! And best of all, he has a super powered, scantily clad girlfriend THE MAMMARY who has gigantic honkers...and an edge!

  • April 2, 2002, 1:22 p.m. CST

    <YAWN> last week&#39;s news...

    by cncoyle

    Yeah, I appreciate putting comic book news up here, but this stuff has been posted at www.comicon.com/newsarama for at least a week.

  • April 2, 2002, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Writing The First Issue Of THE MARVEL...

    by Buzz Maverik

    "H&#39;lo?" "Alan? Alan Moore?" "Yeah." "This is Bill Jemas." "Right. The Marvel wanker." "Uh, yeah. So what&#39;s up." "We were just summoning various incarnations of the war god Mars." "Well, that&#39;s cool. Listen, the reason I&#39;m calling...yer gonna laugh...I&#39;d like you to help me with a, a sort of practical joke I&#39;m playing on Peter David. I bet him that I could write comics that sell better than his." "That was a bit thick of you, wasn&#39;t it?" "I suppose so..." "I mean that was bloody stupid. Even if he isn&#39;t very good, well, he&#39;s bound to be better&#39;n&#39; you, right?" "See, that&#39;s where you come in. Joe said you&#39;re the best comic writer alive and I thought if you ghosted for me...Hello, Alan! Alan! Fine. He&#39;ll never work for Marvel Comics again!"

  • April 2, 2002, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Why is anyone even here...

    by ZakChase

    ...when there&#39;s piss-your-pants exciting news about Evil Dead 4 over at Dark Horizons?

  • April 2, 2002, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Ruined Spider-Man novelization

    by gilker

    Peter David is a hack. He ruined the Spider-Man novelization (think about just how hard that would be to do - plot all laid out, dialogue all ready to be adapted, paint-by-the-numbers all the way) with lame comix jokes, insipid internalizations and jumping on the 9/11 bandwagon by using the story for religious posturing.

  • April 2, 2002, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Art For THE MARVEL...

    by Buzz Maverik

    "Let me get this straight. I do the art for this book of yours and not only do you cancel ELEKTRA but you issue a statement that Elektra is dead and has been dead since I killed her off?" "That&#39;s right, Frank. And you get the full rights to Spider-Man. But don&#39;t do any of that crap you did in DK2 with the big honkin&#39; feet. I mean, who the hell do you think you are, Robert Fucking Crumb? Frank...Frank?...Somebody get me Alex Ross on the line!"

  • April 2, 2002, 2:14 p.m. CST

    "No, Bill, You Cannot Change Your Name To Kevin Smith!"

    by Buzz Maverik

    "It&#39;d just be for the credit on THE MARVEL. I&#39;d change back." "Forget it!" "Maybe he&#39;d be flattered." "I don&#39;t think so!"

  • April 2, 2002, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Re: "Marvel Shouldn&#39;t Even Have A Character Called CAPTAIN M

    by Strawhenge

    But it really DIDN&#39;T suck when the Big Red Cheese was at the top of his game back during The Big One, taking out Jap Zeros and Nazi machine-gun nests. And it didn&#39;t suck when Mac Raboy was drawing Captain Marvel Jr. and pitting him against Captain Nazi and sometimes even Hitler himself. And it definitely doesn&#39;t suck that Fawcettt used the highest quality paper available so that those old comics hold up beautifully even today. Mary Marvel kinda sucked, tho. Uncle Marvel, too.

  • April 2, 2002, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Peter David&#39;s got to go

    by Judge Mental

    I used to love David&#39;s work with Keown back in the day on Incredible Hulk, ---but it&#39;s been a while since I&#39;ve really enjoyed reading anything he&#39;s written. He&#39;s irrelevant and too self-referential. I can only stand so much nudging and winking before it just gets annoying. --- Didn&#39;t David used to feud with McFarlane and Erik Larsen too? (I don&#39;t like them much either these days...) Maybe David&#39;s just a big fat bitch who likes his drama thick and often? Marvel&#39;s renaissance is a leap away from the stale bullshit of Peter David&#39;s era. This competition should be interesting. May the better writer win. --- But Jemas & Quesada should really just wrap him up in a diaper and drop the baby walrus on the front porch of CrossGen.

  • April 2, 2002, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Peter David&#39;s got to go

    by Judge Mental

    I used to love David&#39;s work with Keown back in the day on Incredible Hulk, ---but it&#39;s been a while since I&#39;ve really enjoyed reading anything he&#39;s written. He&#39;s irrelevant and too self-referential. I can only stand so much nudging and winking before it just gets annoying. --- Didn&#39;t David used to feud with McFarlane and Erik Larsen too? (I don&#39;t like them much either these days...) Maybe David&#39;s just a big fat bitch who likes his drama thick and often? Marvel&#39;s renaissance is a leap away from the stale bullshit of Peter David&#39;s era. This competition should be interesting. May the better writer win. --- But Jemas & Quesada should really just wrap him up in a diaper and drop the baby walrus on the front porch of CrossGen.

  • April 2, 2002, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Bug on Comics

    by Ambush Bug

    Jemas has sunk to a new low. Bashing his own employees is almost as low as his constant bashing of the collectors and fans that read Marvel&#39;s books. When is this Vince MacMahon wannabe going to get his ass canned at Marvel? I&#39;ve been a fan of David&#39;s work since his early issues of the Hulk. I would have to say that those hundred or so issues have to be a highpoint for Mr. David&#39;s writing. His stint on Aquaman was a subtle and interesting undersea soap opera, and I could see where some may not have liked it, but he made Arthur into a badass and I dug it. David&#39;s work on Supergirl was interesting at first, but I lost interest in all things Superman long ago, so I moved on. I even dug Spidey 2099. It was the only 2099 title that I collected regularly. And now we have Captain Marvel. I have to say that although David may have peaked on the Hulk, it is refreshing for me to read a comic that is not so angst ridden, so over hyped, so Wizard-ized. Captain Marvel and maybe Black Panther are the only two comics in Marvel&#39;s stable that are unique. They are not like the Max titles that so cleverly think of various ways to say fuck or the Ultimate titles that pander to the MTV TRL crowd. Captain Marvel deals with history and kookiness and heroes that are fallable and real. Sure David writes a lot of in jokes. Sure he relies on 20 years of history at Marvel. It&#39;s called respect for fans and continuity, but these are concepts that are almost non-existant in this new Marvel. The most recent story arc in Captain Marvel had both beautiful art and good solid storytelling. In jokes were a plenty, but not so much as to alienate the reader. The book pokes fun and laughs with the readers that collect comics, it doesn&#39;t bash them like the editorials and Q&A sessions I have read from Jemass. Peter David knows how to write a story. If this were a just and right world, Captain Marvel would blow the socks off of Jemas&#39; feeble attempts at writing, but Jemas is likely to plop in a Wolverine or Spidey or X-Men guest appearance or snag some Wizard all hype artist and get the mindless Wizard readers to buy into the hype. My message to Peter David would be to say screw Marvel and jump ship to DC and write Billy Batson&#39;s adventures in Fawcett City. He&#39;s already writing Young Justice over there, why not another DC book? Just remember this, in a year or so when the revolving Marvel Presidential door finally chucks Jemass out into the street where he belongs, David will still be around writing comics that respect and entertain the collectors and fans. Bug out.

  • April 2, 2002, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Bug

    by Strawhenge

    You make a good argument for David. I agree he "peaked on the Hulk", but what a peak! I also agree that it is refreshing to read ANY comic that is not festooned with dark, angst-y characters. I had to smirk at the irony of Buzz Maverick referring to the Golden Age as the Dark Ages in an earlier post. If any age can truly be called "dark", it&#39;s this one. Additionally, I&#39;m a big fan of in-jokes, asides, arcane references, allusions, etc. so long as they do not become a crutch. As a LOOOONG-time reader, it&#39;s gratifying to know my patronage is appreciated perhaps just a tiny bit more than the casual or neophyte reader&#39;s. It&#39;s a bit like tenure, I suppose. I do take exception to your indictment of the Ultimate titles. I think you paint with too broad a brush when you dismiss them all as pandering to the "MTV TRL crowd". I don&#39;t read Ultimate X-men so I can&#39;t speak to that. Ultimate Spiderman makes it&#39;s share of contemporary pop-culture references, but the protagonist IS a boy of 15. That aside, I still find it smart and compelling with plenty of meat for the reader (like myself) who grew up with the original title. Finally, I must assume that you simply missed Millar&#39;s Ultimates. The first issue was a full-length Captain America story set in 1945 and, in addition to being a brilliant piece of work (IMO), suffered from none of the detriments which you have assigned to the entire line of titles. Ultimates is rapidly becoming my favorite Marvel book and maybe I&#39;m alone here, but I hate to see something that good maligned by association.

  • April 2, 2002, 3:39 p.m. CST

    buzz, the real way to give some "edge" to a character...

    by DEVIL

    is to give them a goatee. man, I never thot Wolverine was much of a "bad-ass" until Ultimate X-Men jazzed him up w/ those rad chin-pubes! same w/ a reappearance years back of Scattershot and Rictor in New Mutants. goatees and piercings, dude. it&#39;s the way to go. and the only Captain Marvels of note are the orig. Fawcett one and Monica Rambeau. yes, the "black chick with the afro". and since we&#39;re talking about comics (which I never get to do, my friends only read "comix"), why does everybody rave about Brian Bendis&#39; dialogue? "he writes like I talk"! if my friends talked like that I&#39;d have punched them all in the throat by now. and just for some on-topic bs, jemas seems like a jerk, but that&#39;s just what he wants me to think. and it works. have a nice day everyone.

  • April 2, 2002, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Have Captain Marvel join the Avengers

    by dickfitz

    I mean, he&#39;s already established as one of the future members via Avengers Forever, so just stick his ass in the title and watch the fans flock to his solo book.

  • April 2, 2002, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Captain Marvel to Relaunch with a new #1

    by GrayHaven

    While you&#39;re all clicking the Newsarma link to get the full story on the Jemas/David thing, be sure to check out the latest news, from Joe Quesada. In order to level the playing field, Captain Marvel will restart at #1 as well.

  • April 2, 2002, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll buy David&#39;s comic cuz I&#39;ve been a fan of his ST

    by Tall_Boy

    go Peter David! If anyone here has read his "What Savage Beast" novel, you know what&#39;s up.

  • April 2, 2002, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Strawhenge

    by Ambush Bug

    Yeah, I dig Ultimate Spider-Man too. Bagley&#39;s art and Bendis&#39; writing is classic Spidey. I am also getting into The Ultimates despite Millar&#39; writing, which I feel too often goes for shocks over substance. My main beef with the Ultimate Universe is the fact that all of this talent is going towards this new universe and Marvel&#39;s core titles are hurting because of it. I would love to see Bendis and Bagley on Amazing or Peter Parker if JMS/Romita or Jenkins/Buckingham ever left. Why not give Millar a crack at the Avengers since Busiek is leaving? Marvel would rather throw continuity out the door and create a new u every few months than try to work with the tradition that was Marvel. I have to give the Ultimate line some respect. At least they are trying to make a cohesive universe. MAX on the other hand, has thrown the entire concept in the shitter. We&#39;ve got twelve different versions of Nick Fury running around and little cohesion from one issue to the next, much less one title to the other. The whole thing boils down to the fact that this is not the Marvel I grew up with. I don&#39;t expect the comics to stay the same, but to turn one&#39;s back on the history of the Marvel U is turning one&#39;s back to fans who stuck through the good years and the bad (you know, the one&#39;s who bought the polybagged, foil wrapped, Lefield written, deluxe format, Monster sized crap).

  • April 2, 2002, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Another public PISSING match by Marvels Cheif MORON!

    by RickSlamu2

    First of all I can&#39;t beleve that Judge Mental referred to this Black time at Marvel as "Marvel&#39;s renaissance". PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Marvel wants to ditch all their long time fans who are growing older for the falbled pot of gold known as the "Younger Demo". Who couldn&#39;t want a demographic that is flighter that a bunch of pigions! And have no lolity whatsoever! It might be bad forum to put some one eleses post from another site here but as I read the posts at the COMICON.com board whare a poster named "apoehler" had the best post I have read.QUOTE--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can Marvel get any more ridiculous than that? I&#39;ve wondered that exact thing several times over the past several months--and every time I find out, "Yes, they can". I don&#39;t plan to buy either Captain Marvel or The Marvel (ugh...the title is such a lousy idea to start off with) but here&#39;s the thing: yes, Peter David&#39;s writing is pretty tired lately. Yes, the continual in-jokes are aimed at a miniscule fraction of the reading public. And yes, obviously this plays some part in the lack of sales on the Captain Marvel title. But he&#39;s still a WRITER. I don&#39;t like much of his stuff lately, but even the lamest of his stories still has a certain basic level of craft that comes from the fact that he&#39;s written hundreds (thousands perhaps) of stories. The arrogance of Jemas saying "Hey, I can crap out stuff better than that with no experience whatsoever" is astounding. I predict that either this &#39;The Marvel&#39; will be largely ghostwritten, or if Jemas actually has the temerity to attempt it himself, will be the most amateurish, pandering wad of dreck ever to come out of Marvel--this will be for Jemas what Star Brand was for Shooter: a monument to his hubris. Shooter thought he knew what people wanted too: accessibility, the world outside your window in the comics, new concepts and characters (sound familiar?)--they called it the New Universe. Anyone who was buying comics back then shudders at those words. And remember: as bad as his Star Brand was, Shooter was still A WRITER, and there were still ideas enough underlying Star Brand for John Byrne to make it readable and enjoyable when he took it over.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------END QUOTE One more by a Greg Geren on the same board QUOTE "Jemas, to his credit, just wants to pull in new readers, it&#39;s a pity he has no respect for his existing customers." END QUOTE. The only thing I can add to this is that if this IS SOME KIND OF STUNT I hope that this bites Jemas on HIS ASS. There should be some thing as Civility in SOME PARTS OF scocity. IF Jemas said QUOTE "Peter is a talented writer maybe two or three issues of the year, but the rest is just inside jokes for fans who have been reading his stuff for 20 years. He&#39;s just feeding off his old work." END QUOTE about me 1st id quit then id noct him on his ASS!

  • April 2, 2002, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Elektra, and the stupid fued

    by WritersCramp

    Buzz Maverick: It was Frank Miller who brought back Elektra in the first place. She&#39;s been around since Miller&#39;s run-- they just found a way to SELL her recently. She shouldn&#39;t be written by anyone but Miller, IMHO-- I love Bendis, but he can get a little pompous... he set his bar at Marvel pretty low, with Alias&#39; interracial anal sex scene. As for the whole "he said/he said" thing between Jemas and David... Yes it&#39;s a real argument, yes it&#39;s also a publicity stunt. Since the two loved being right so much, Marvel did what it always does-- find a way to make money out of it that exploits fan interest to the point of saturation.

  • April 2, 2002, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Writers Cramp, Miller Brought Elektra Back & Killed Her Off In E

    by Buzz Maverik

    Sorry, dude, but if we&#39;re going to get geek here, I&#39;m the biggest geek on the block. If you&#39;re talking about ELEKTRA ASSASSAIN by Miller and Sienkiewicz, that was a prequel to Elektra&#39;s first appearance in DAREDEVIL. If you&#39;re talking about ELEKTRA LIVES by Miller and Varley, Elektra died again in that one. The zombie Bullseye killed her, if I remember right. Miller has said in numerous interviews that he doesn&#39;t know who this character called Elektra in the Marvel Universe is, because his Elektra is dead. Kevin Smith agrees and more importantly, so do I.

  • April 2, 2002, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Also, D.E.V.I.L. And Ambush Bug Are Right.

    by Buzz Maverik

    The Marvel will definitely have a goatee and piercings. I didn&#39;t know Wolverine had a goatee now because unless it&#39;s Alan Moore or (now) HOWARD THE DUCK, I don&#39;t read too many comics that were produced before my third birthday. And Bug, I was thinking that every issue of THE MARVEL will probably feature Wolverine. I&#39;m waiting for THE ULTIMATE MARVEL myself.

  • April 2, 2002, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Anybody Read That THE ULTIMATES Book? Art Looks Cool.

    by Buzz Maverik

    Intriguing weirdness with Pym and the Wasp. Of course, I&#39;m hoping for sort of a non-evil version of The Four from PLANETARY but afraid I&#39;d get IN YOUR FACE X-MEN or whatever they&#39;re calling it.

  • April 2, 2002, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Bug - Re: continuity revision

    by Strawhenge

    We&#39;re very nearly on the same page. I understand your frustration with sweeping deletions of established continuity, particularly when the deletions are a transparent attempt to court new fans at the expense of the long-time reader. Reasonable, even-handed revisions however, can revitalize and augment a book substantially, and these types of revisions are not without precedent. For example, Avengers #4 establishes that Cap vanishes prior to the end of the war when we all know that he was battling Commies and gangsters well into the 1950&#39;s. Changes like this can lend relevance and resonance while driving the narrative forward. Conversely, clumsy, superficial changes such as the aforementioned goatees and piercings; inexplicable, ham-handed alterations like "Superman Blue" serve only to prompt head-scratching followed by disinterest. The latter style of revision usually is identified by the vast readership as shoddy and dies a quick death.

  • April 2, 2002, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Ultimate Spider-Man...

    by Jack Ryder

    ...predates BJ.the man&#39;s just so full of it.

  • April 2, 2002, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Peter David is gonna kick Bill Jemas&#39; ass

    by holidill

    I love Peter David, but this sure as hell sounds like a publicity ploy to me.

  • April 2, 2002, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Peter David writes Young Justice and Supergirl (who incidentally

    by Village Idiot

    And the idea of David doing the original Captain Marvel has already been floated, but the word on the DC Message Boards is that when David&#39;s comments about the Big Red Cheese are added up, it appears that he doesn&#39;t really like the character.

  • April 2, 2002, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I hope Peter David beats the $#!+ out of Jemas

    by KingKrypton

    This is beyond low, even for Jemas. I can&#39;t believe how much Marvel has sunken since the Quesada/Jemas regime has taken over. if there&#39;s any justice, David will kick both their @$$es and take their wallets.

  • April 2, 2002, 10:55 p.m. CST

    have the anti-David&#39;s ever read Supergirl?

    by cncoyle

    I admittedly haven&#39;t read Capt. Marvel, so I&#39;ll give you that it may be too self-referential. Supergirl, on the other hand, is an absolutely wonderful book. Mr. David has turned the only horrid character from Byrne&#39;s remake into a truly unique character with a refreshing religious take. Yeah, I agree that it doesn&#39;t even need to be called "Supergirl". It could be called "Angel Girl" or whatever, but it&#39;s damn fine writing no matter the title.

  • April 2, 2002, 11:05 p.m. CST

    I just realized something...

    by cncoyle

    How come we don&#39;t hear about this kind of soap opera in-fighting at DC? Oh, yeah, because they keep a level of professionalism. I&#39;m admittedly a huge DC fan, but I think it&#39;s entirely unfair of Joe Q. to refer to DC as AOL Comics. The Superman titles are consistently enjoyable and Wonder Woman is the best it&#39;s ever been (well, since George Perez). Mr. Kelley&#39;s JLA run is starting off pretty well and should surpass Mr. Waid&#39;s run. PLUS, love it or hate it, at least there&#39;s a Justice League cartoon to bitch about. How long did the Avengers cartoon last--three weeks? Don&#39;t give us the manga versions--we want Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Giant-Man, Vision, etc. Joe Q. can bash DC all they want, but 4 good Marvel movies are only a start. (Plus, how many people know the two Blade movies are based on a comic book character?) As for Mr. Jemas, whoever said he&#39;s a Vince McMahon wannabe is dead-on (and hilarious!) Stan Lee always kept a high level of professionalism (didn&#39;t he coin the term "Distinguished Competition"?) He also never bad-mouthed HIS OWN EMPLOYEES. If Mr. David is that great a writer, then why haven&#39;t you canned him yet? (On that note, thank goodness Casey is leaving Uncanny.) Keep the Springer-esque inter-office bickering behind closed doors.

  • April 3, 2002, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Peter David is the fucking man

    by TheMatarife

    The guys is great. His startrek stuff is awesome. Sir Apropos of nothing is good stuff too.

  • April 3, 2002, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Just My Two Cents...

    by Spelunker Gregg

  • April 3, 2002, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Just My Two Cents...Again...

    by Spelunker Gregg

    Sorry guys. Damn keyboard. Anyhoo... Yeah. Bill Jemas can stick his new series up his newly-enlarged asshole. My money&#39;s on Peter David. Why? Hmmm let&#39;s see: Established writer? Check. Fan base? Check. Experiance? Check? Now Bill Jemas: "..." Exactly. *****Now onto my beef with Marvel in general. Yeah...I agree whole-heartedly with what&#39;s been said about Marvel selling out to the MTV TRL crowd. Is it hurting their core titles? Not so much now, but anymore of this "Let&#39;s make a new Marvel Universe" and new readers aren&#39;t gonna&#39; where the hell these characters came from in the first place! I guess I can&#39;t bitch too much since I keep reading less and less of Marvel anyways (Amazing Spider-Man, Fantastic Four & Incredible Hulk - which is FUCKING amazing right now, I might add), and more DC stuff (I.E. Batman, Superman, Adv. of Superman, Action Comics, Detective Comics, JLA & Green Lantern). Marvel just needs to get back to making decent reads. Period. And Bill Jemas is a little bitch.

  • April 4, 2002, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Peter David.

    by rabid_republican

    Peter David has always been a polarizing figure in the comic book world. I don&#39;t know a collector who doesn&#39;t have a strong opinion about him. Personally, given his fan base, David should have little trouble mopping the floor with Jemas. That&#39;s not to say Jemas doesn&#39;t produce good work, I just don&#39;t think he can stave David off in this fight.

  • April 4, 2002, 12:52 p.m. CST

    This just in-

    by RenoNevada2000

  • April 4, 2002, 12:52 p.m. CST

    This just in-

    by RenoNevada2000

    The Marvel will actually be old issues of US 1 relettered.

  • April 5, 2002, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Ellis warned us about all of you...

    by Facefighter

    "I&#39;ve been reading comics longer than these long-haired punk kids with their MTV and their condoms and their dancing...and they won&#39;t get offa my lawn!!! Here&#39;s some news... Marvel is doing extremely well right now, DC sucks complete ass (especially all Supermans, actually pretty much everyting not written by Johns or Doom Patrol), and Jemas could care less what lonely little losers think because he&#39;s too busy having friends and getting laid... don&#39;t like it? Don&#39;t read it and don&#39;t bitch. Read Come In Alone by Warren Ellis and open your eyes.